Ready over there. Everybody ready? Nobody's telling me we're not so. All right. Okay, I would move approval of the public agenda. Second. All right, we have motion of a second to prove the agenda. Is there any public comment to the agenda? If you do have public comment to the agenda, come forward and speak to the microphone. Not just general public comment. Not general public comment. This is for the agenda only. Okay. Seeing no public comment, all in favor of the motion, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, like, sign? All right, moving on. Our first item for discussion is the advisory board appreciation and diversity discussion. And I assume that is you, Gina. Good afternoon, Gina Peoples, Assistant County Manager Chief of Staff. Back in June, the board directed staff to bring back a discussion on ways to thank our citizens for their service and look at ways to increase diversity and participation. So with that, we took a look at our current advisory board membership and currently we have 207 board and committee members. We have 42 boards and committees. As of the time that this presentation was put together we had 89 vacancies that changes every time the board has a meeting you often appoint members and then often people are removed for various reasons that they may move or they're removed due to attendance. So as of the publishing of this, we had 89 vacancies. Ethan Feldman, he serves on four career source boards, and he's the most of any appointee. And Melanie Bar continues to be our longest serving appointee. She's serving her 15th term on the Historical Commission. That has to be a record. Yes, definitely. So one of the things that I wanted to point out to the board as well as the public is that citizens who are interested in serving on an advisory board can come to our publicly available advisory board webpage. And if you can see a list of all of the various boards, you can click on anyone in particular to get more information. That includes a list of the current members. You can see how many vacancies there's a very brief description of what the board does. And if there is a vacancy, you can click on the View tab. And from the View tab, that vacancy you can click on the View tab and from the View tab that's where you can apply. So to apply you just simply click this you put your personal information, name address, email and you submit the form then the advisory board liaison is notified that we've received an application. So the advisory board liaison they then add to your next upcoming agendas, the packets for your consideration. If we only have one candidate, it goes on your consent agenda. But if we do have competition, those will go on your regular agenda. I want to ask about that. Okay, go ahead, Mr. President. I go ahead of you. I, you know, I still think it's important for us to approve someone that is going on to a board, even if we only have one candidate, I think us reviewing that application and approving that applicant is an important part of the process. We are, even if it's on consent. Even if it's on consent, I know we are, but I think for the public's benefit, I kind of... It looks, I've had people say this to me, it looks like we're just nodding our heads and saying, okay, you know what I mean? And I'm curious what your thoughts are, Commissioner Proseon. My thoughts are that I feel like we're not doing a good enough job of recruiting people. And I feel like that's our job as commissioners to like recruit people in the community, like tell the story, these are our advisory boards. They're the boards that are providing us advice and information and we all have contacts in all of these spaces and like we should be spreading the word. Whenever there's an advisory board vacancy, like I don't know if we each want to get assigned four of them and we just promote that. I don't know how it works, but I do feel like we should take some responsibility for promoting them, getting the word out about vacancies and generally to the community working with Mark to tell the story. I'm not talking about us trying to run around and recruit individuals, but I just mean doing a better job of getting the word out and really trying our best to get these positions filled and to have competition for these sites because I think that's one of my challenges like we've had more positions I I don't know for this is for sure but I feel like oftentimes we end up just having one applicant and it ends up on consent we have one applicant and it ends up on consent because it's been vacant and we need to get filled and maybe that's the case maybe we you know we don't have people that are interested in these positions, but I have to believe that with a little bit more push and a little bit more promotion, we could get more applicants. And then it would be on our regular agenda. I don't know that the answer is putting an individual that's on consent on the regular agenda, because we're still reviewing those applications. I read all of my consent back then. Yeah, I do so, but doing our due diligence for those people, it's just the reality is we should have more applicants. We should have more people in wanting these positions. And I think part of it is also us using these boards effectively, right? Because people see that, or listening to the boards, and we're having conversations with the boards, people are more likely and excited to be a part of them. Commissioner Quenel. On the consent thing, I think I'm fine with being on consent. I don't mind us recognizing those individuals like we approve the agenda. If there's two on consent and they happen to be here, the chair may be right. Exactly. Exactly. Recognizing them, giving them a second to speak right before announcements. I think that makes sense. I mean the numbers 207 board committee members and 89 vacancies. So 207 citizens participating in their local government is a lot. Yeah, and 89 vacancies is also a lot, but but that's 296 people. So maybe smaller boards, maybe a few less boards, but I'm really happy actually with 207. I agree with you. It's kind of on us to help our staff recruit experts in the area to apply if they have time. But I'm not upset at all with... I'm not upset, I just think that if we have, I think some of the boards have statutory requirements with regards to membership. So it would be useful to have that sense of like how many of these board, and then some of them are by our own ordinances, like we put positions in so that we make sure that we have that representation. And those, I think, are often the ones that end up vacant for a long period of time. Because they're really specific. Because they're really specific. But I think that that's, again, that's where, if we're speaking to the chamber, and it's a business, like we should be bringing, whoever's going to speak to the chamber and the quarter, they should be bringing that vacancy and like we have four vacancies for business members on these boards. We need your hat like we should be pushing you know and then if it's like if it's ag or you know rural we should be like I I feel like and small farms team and you know whoever are giving garden like farmers like we need your help recruit somebody we need these positions filled like there are plenty of opportunities for us to promote them. And I just think they, it's not that they get forgotten. I know that our boards are really important to us. But I think we forget about them in those moments when we're like interacting in public setting sometimes. That like, that's an important part of what we're saying to people is like, and we have spaces available for you. And we need you to participate. Like if you want input and what we do, this is the very best way to have input on what we do. Yeah, and I would say if there's anywhere where the staff liaison could help us, it's Commissioner Prince is going to speak at the, you know, the rural concerns committee. The staff liaison says two weeks before, hey, we have two vacancies. Right. When you're there, make sure you mention that. Right. And let's see if we can fill those. Right, or like for example, we just did the AgLands protection thing, right, that's gonna be presented to us. We had rooms full of farmers, ACT was pulling rooms full of farmers at IFS. Like was the fact that we have vacancies on our rural concerns board even mentioned, probably not. You know what I mean? That would be the opportunity. That would be the opportunity. where we can identify where these committees overlap with our work in the community and our priorities and then are able to like kind of promote them. Commissioner, we just want to add to that too, these committees that also should be grabbing up folks that they know that are in the fields that they are. That too. And who they would like to work with. I feel like that would make a good team member. So I would encourage all of these boards then to do that same outreach, maybe even more intensively, because they would actually be the ones working with those people. They all have friends. That's right. Exactly. We have EPAC. I don't know if there's anybody who can still have a climate. We're going to have the Hawthorne Sustainability Summit and then our climate action plan. So that's a great time to sort of say, here's a way you can get involved, here's a way, you know, it's just those sorts of things. And part of it is on, I'll take a response away for myself, it's on me to remember those things when I'm out representing the county at events. And I've been trying to be better about it, but it's not always easy. And I appreciate the fact that staff has been giving us a copy of the vacancies on a pretty regular basis, you know, in our boxes. That's very helpful. I want to say too, you know, I've tried to recruit folks to a couple of boards recently and people say, well, I'm not qualified to be on EPAC. I'm not qualified to do that. And in some cases, I believe it's important to have citizens that aren't necessarily experts in their field, but are well readread and are willing to think about stuff. If nobody else is applying, I would much rather have somebody thoughtful apply than... I mean a lot of these don't require x- No, they don't. And I think that's a misconception because we talk about the ones that do require... You know, the ones that we are looking for particular qualifications, we talk about the ones that do require, you know, the ones that we are looking for particular qualifications. We talk about those a lot, but in many cases we want thoughtful, caring citizens, folks that care about our community and are willing to put that little bit of extra effort into the process. Yeah, maybe we need to put in something on the agenda or somewhere that says, you know, we're always looking for the're always looking for where these things are something because this goes out to people and it's a reminder to us to mention it. Right. That's actually not bad a day. I don't know how hard that would be for staff in the middle. And Mark does do that at an announcement. He does mention it. I think since we've been hammering on it, he's been much better, and I really appreciate that he's putting out press releases about it, that he's announcing it more often. But I think it's also really overwhelming when you get a laundry list, right? Like it's like, these are all the boards, and these are all vacancies, and I think also maybe each time we do an article, like when we do an article on affordable housing, like want to get involved, there's an advisory board and check out what vacancies are available when we do a story on like a new acquisition that we did. Well, there's a lane conservation board and you can be a part of it like adding it to our press releases on various issues and topics like just consistently like hammering that it's out there. I think we get new people, new audiences, people who are reading about it and it's easier to recruit someone who's like interested in an issue and then wants to get involved versus just like here's a laundry list of things you could do with your free time because you know you want to do that with your free time. Well I know when I was on EPEC it was super exciting when we got new blood you know not just somebody new on the advisory board but somebody that hadn't been part of the discussion right because that those perspectives were always super valuable. Yeah we're talking about diversity too. Right? Yes. Are we feeling pretty good about the numbers of range of folks that we have been able to recruit? So that was one of the things I wanted to ask about. And that is that I think that if we want to be intentional about diversity, then we have to be intentional about the demographics of our existing committees. And we have to be intentional about what it is that we're after. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think it's hard to say we want diversity, but then you get the applicants you get, and you pick from the applicants you get. And there's no, there are sometimes they answer the demographic questions, and sometimes they don't. they do, then is that something that all of our commissioners are taking into consideration? I don't know. I don't know that they're even looking at those to say, do we have representation from different demographics in our community on all these committees? I look at the demographics of the applicants, but I don't always know what the rest of the committee looks like. Right? So that's always a question. What are the demographics of the committee? So do I need to make a look at a woman applicant, and all the rest of the folks on the border women? I don't know. You know what I mean? It's like, what else do we need to have a good balance? But do we need to go back to the quota system? I mean, is that what you mean? No, I don't at applicants. I want to understand the group, and I want to understand maybe that's part of what's missing is more information about the existing board. And I know we can go online and look at all of that. Well, usually there is at least the attendee. Well, and you don't want to discourage anybody from applying just because they don't fit a demographic. Right. Definitely not. So I don't know how it's kind of tricky to have that conversation. Well, I don't want it. It's important. I agree. I guess, and I mean, our equity committee, one of the things that they're talking about is, I mean, they're looking at our comprehensive plan right now, but one of the things that they could also do is make recommendations and help us with recruitment for our boards in order to increase diversity. I think that's something that we could ask them to assist us with as that, you know, that they look at our different boards and make recommendations on where actually is a challenge or an issue if we have any, I don't know that we do. I feel like, at least to your point, I try to look at the demographic information and the questions that we have representation from all over the county. Like we have people from the West County and East County with people from men and women, different socioeconomic backgrounds, best you can, but you don't get a ton of information on those questions either. Rachel background, I think you get address, you get some basics that help you to kind of like, say okay, do we have representation around the county in the different districts? Do we have men and women? Do we have young and old? Those sort of things we can kind of control. I know ages initially too because that's optional. So you know, to put the age down, age is optional. I don't know that. And I don't even know if it's legal to go more specifically than what we've done in terms of trying to find out who people are and where they fit. I don't know. I know in public education sometimes we get tied up with too much information. Mark is very excited to say something. Oh, go more. I am excited. I think it's a great idea whenever we're putting anything out that has a advisory board related to the subject matter. We can do a commercial for it. I would also like to volunteer to have every advisory board liaison get in touch with me and assure them that if they're having issues filling spaces on an advisory board to let me know, we can make a special effort to advertise and get the word out on specific positions. Right now, as you said, we do a very general umbrella. Here's what's on the menu this week. But if I know that someone is having a particularly difficult time, which we don't know necessarily when we do that general announcement of advisory boards. Right. Then we can certainly help people directly to fill their specific positions. Yeah, that would be great. And under different staff liaison to get more or less involved in recruitment, that's how I ended up serving on code enforcement is because Harold called Bayepin said, we need an engineer and I know you're an engineer and you know that's how I ended up serving on that because I would have never thought to apply for credit enforcement but you know I guess that's the other last thing I mean maybe I've already discussed this too but I think the other piece that I wanted was just quickly was how do we appreciate people who are already on the boards and yeah, we're doing your whole presentation Are we? And and how do we how do we Have consistency among how the boards are run his every staff does it differently? You know some just take minutes some record them some do this and that like each one's kind of a little different And I know some of that is Because they the amount of duties they have or they're they're just the way that they're a different departments run and sort of how those boards interface with those departments is. Go ahead, Commissioner. I'm being sorry. Man of manager. So once upon a time before actually I was manager. We had a position that was an advisory board coordinator that helped herd everybody. We are going to return to that and we're working to build that back into the job description from which it originally came. Many years ago for those of you who were here at the time, Jeremy. The agenda was the Agenda Coordinator slash Advisory Board coordinator. Yeah, cool. And so we had already determined that that was an important need and we are working to build that back into the job description as a function. So that's already underway to help word cats for lack of a better term. We have 40-some advisory boards, which means we have all those advisory boards or some of those different kinds of boards. Because I know we have some are different. Some are different, but for ease of discussion, we have 40-some boards that we appoint and that we have liaison's and in some form. And so that's a lot of people to keep uniform, a lot of people, so we've talked about doing, getting them organized under one individual again to keep track of that, also to help, you know, with training those people so we can have uniformity and because right now we do have an agenda system which is the same we use, and we want uniformity and how that is being utilized. And so those are all things that we are working on putting in place now. Cool. That's great. As well as we've got some other really cool things. And there's a lot of stuff doing a liaison work. And I know that can sometimes be a lot of work depending on the board. Yes. It is very much dependent on the board. Anyway let's let she finish her presentation since we just sort of hijacked it from her. Well currently boarding committee presentations are scheduled annually during regular commission meetings to highlight their goals and accomplishments That's an opportunity for you to hear from them. That's also an opportunity for our citizens to say oh, I want to get involved What they do sounds very interesting to me We advertise vacancies via monthly all encompassing press release and highlight specific vacancies upon requests So Mark and his staff have been excellent doing that Staff attend civic group meetings upon request to promote vacancies so the next scheduled is November 6th at the Hale Plantation Newcomers Club so I'll be attending their their meeting and we can always do more so these are some of the ideas that staff have have come up with and of course we would love to hear from the board for your ideas as well. So commissioners and staff can make a concerted effort to recruit people to apply by personally reaching out to civic groups associations to see if they have interested members. We can increase outreach by advertising our monthly press release in Spanish. Update resolutions and ordinances to replace hard to fill specific seats with citizen at large seats. So for example, our human rights board, lending institution representative has been unfilled for about 15 years. How interesting. Yeah, so my recommendation is we would need to update that to be a citizen at large. Also and we're going to be hearing from Honey here in just a minute minute. Track volunteer hours for advisory board and committee members and Recognize them with an annual appreciation lunch. Certificates for milestone accomplishment. They volunteered so many hours in a fiscal year. We're able to do that thanks to our new software that HR is rolling out. I would like to invite Honey to show us how to do that. We have a commission volunteer who's gonna register for us. Oh good, I'll start by a few looked on this way. I just kept looking. Right here, huh? Yes, let me click on the portal. All right, so can I just give it a call to you? So hello everyone. In this website is going to help us reach our, not okay, oh yeah, actually need it for a second. So this website is going to help us reach an outstanding volunteer program because we need to centralize all the opportunities and we need to track and manage all the hours and all the opportunities whether you are an employee in the county or whether you are a volunteer in the community. Both end they can come into this website and sign up and kind of build their own profile where they can match their skills, their interest, and this software will help us to kind of navigate and see which one we can target with our email blast or text messaging we can send. I was hearing about recruitment and reaching out. So this might be something that also will help to increase that. And the main thing is the top menu, which is you sign up a login and the side menu. It's really easy and simple. Dashboard, Opportunities and Program. So the opportunities is basically an opportunity you can think of it as an event that requires volunteers. And having these opportunities, and we we currently have let me click here. So this is all live right now So we have about 21 volunteers Opportunities as of this second between six programs. Right now we have six programs, five of them are departments and our star here is the advisory board. So we can't add more programs, but as needed. And the opportunities here is actually, is the tool that we can use. So all the advisory board opportunities here, the feature here somewhere? It's here somewhere, but the advisory board, it's kind of like if we go to the program, it's easier to see it from here because it's only one. So once you click in the advisory board, you will come to the page, which is this one here. It give you an overview and the causes and the contact information and location and all that and some photos. Sam, what are you doing if we don't make each advisory board an opportunity? The way we set it up is exactly how you mentioned it. So you click on it. It's right here. You just click on the link and it will take you to genus. What I meant was that where you have opportunities even as like a portable housing like advisory board member. Oh yeah we can definitely. If somebody types in like opportunities they type in veteran and they can see oh look The veteran services board has a vacancy or you know, I mean, I know it would mean a lot more opportunities in your thing But I think it would get if you have someone right at the space Absolutely. Yeah, they can have a limited access Because that could be that coordinator job would just be update those vacancies on right once we have that person But cool. Yeah, so is sign up be update those vacancies on the right. Well, once we have that person, but cool. Yeah. So is sign up and register the same thing on the homepage? I mean, to sign up to register, it's a sign up, basically. So once you do the sign up, you will have your own. Just minimize it. Okay. Here. Let's click again. Yeah. Yeah, so login you need to have your basically There's sign up atop and then there's register below are this is a register to the opportunity Oh, gotcha so and if you click from here or you click from here is the same thing for example if you want to register Let's say this is your first time and you like this opportunity, you click on this, it will take you to sign up or not. Okay. So I think it's your turn now. I'm going to have to click it out. Okay, here we go. I'm going to sign up. I am going to sign up like this. Oops, excuse me, my last name says it's required. Email. That's fine. Mobile. Is that in there? I'm sorry. Sorry. It had to be a certain generation to get that one. All right. Go, go, go. Okay. This is United States County. County is required. I want to go there. I think you just need to obviously. Are there any online opportunities to volunteer for folks that might be restricted in terms of 24 or 24 feels like a good aid. Are there any volunteer opportunities for folks that are mobility related to the like work from volunteer from home? I mean, as of now we have 21 opportunities and all these opportunities are done through the departments. So if we don't have one right now but they're able to add it whenever we have someone can offer them. I think that might be a nice like thing to say on there somewhere it's like this opportunity like have a simple or something. So right now all of these are sunshine boards so their ability to meet. But that's boards. There's other volunteer opportunities here besides. Oh yeah. Okay. I understand the board says one thing, but I mean, there's other volunteer. Which department would offer that? I don't know. That's why I just, you know, like EPD might have a research opportunity. I don't know. I just just thinking out loud. It's just thought that might be something for folks to think about. Yeah. And the tie-in from what we were talking about is that after? Yeah, you need to put your skills so we can match you. After our advisory board meetings, the liaisons can go into the software and then include the volunteer hours because again, none of our advisory board members are paid. Exactly. So if our meeting was an hour, I would go in and enter for those five advisory board members that they attended for an hour, so then their annual volunteer hours would be calculated correctly. So if they did work out, say they did research outside of that, they can just add those in as something else or. So correct, so they can let the liaison. I know, exactly. I picked them all. All hours reviewing or visiting a site or what I Yes, researching whatever the case may be and then the liaison can go in and add that exactly to help to track that's a lot for their liaison. Did I read the volunteer here? Yeah, this is something I want to mention because once we signed up for the registration we didn't do it from the sign up we did it through the opportunity. So only one time you will go there and you know, consent that you have the handbook and you fill your application. And this is our handbook that we made for the whole opportunities. Very nice. Got like everything you need, all the information you need. So each volunteer will review it once and fill out the application. It used to be manual. Now it's actually it's gonna be saved in their profile. I'll say I read it. I haven't read it but I'm gonna read it. I'm gonna take a home and read it. Sure. Oh. And is that hamper keysy defined? Yeah so this is the waiver. This is what they're doing manually. And now we don't have it anymore manual. It's going to be all online. OK, I will say that's confusing that the waiver and the ham book are the same. Because you signed up for the opportunity. Not a time. I see. Is what I'm saying? I do, yeah. If we did it from the sign up top menu. You're making me sign a lot of things. Very quick notes. Well, I'm glad you brought this up because at least you can see that all the application and all the consent form is all automated now. It's all digital, which is- Is the only way that anybody can do to apply? Not really. No, you can sign up and you can view the opportunities without actually registration. But if you want to part to- Oh, there you go. without actually registration, but if you wanna part of the... You need to actually consent that you did the... Because there are a lot of the older folks and folks that don't have computers, that we want on these boards, that may not go to all of this bother. You know, that's the reason you do that. Well, this isn't to be another way. Is there a second way? Yeah, the second way is manual. Okay, that's what I'm asking you. Yeah. It's the manual. They have to like get a coffee. Okay, gotcha. And then the program manager will add their hours. Okay, so they can call in and say, I need an application or something. So, currently, our advisory board, when you want to apply, it is electronic. Yeah. Still come on. But when people, yes, but people call and say, have called and asked for an application they can fill out by hearing what have you and we will email and receive them back that way. But it is currently online. We see those. But this is the only one we're obviously done manually. Even emailing somebody is not going to get it to them. And then they have to print it off or fill it. I don't know. If somebody notifies us, we're happy to mail it to them. OK. So that's what I'm asking you. Absolutely accommodate them. And then also, for example, if we have a tree planting event, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to register. So long as we gather your information, again, the person who's hosting the tree planting, they can go in on the admin side of the back side. So this is your dashboard. Wait, wait, we have two things going on here. We're still getting a conversation. We're still getting a demo. So let's do one or the other. Okay. So demo. Show us. Sorry. Okay. I went to, so I signed up in order to sign up, you have to sign a waiver and you have to read the handbook. So I think that's a hard thing for people to do at the moment. It says, have I read it? Maybe it would be like, have you downloaded the handbook or have you received the handbook? Because if it says, have I read the handbook? And that's like a 40 page handbook and then like, I agree to read the handbook or something like that and then it and then like here's the download But just something that say there but yeah, and then I signed up and I clicked done and I filled out my emergency contact And now I'm here on my dashboard you can oh and I can sign up to volunteer and then I get the opportunities oh Mark I can't wait to see you You see Oh, Mark, I can't wait to see your article. Your article. I'll review it. And you see, cool. Neat. What happened to my register? See, since you did it now, you don't have to do it anymore. Yeah. It's saved. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so I just want to clarify one thing because it's very important. The way the commissioners signed up it was through the opportunity not through the sign up of the website which requires you know the consent and the handbook yeah but it's not only once I will I tested being a rain I'm a now rain guard steward means I'm gonna weed some rain guard so commission I can you click on the dashboard? Okay, this is very important for the volunteer. This is basically is the back end where they see their hours, how many hours they did and the impact in actually dollar value, how many opportunities, how many hours in total, and this is the suggested opportunities based on the exact interest works. And if you go up a little bit, you see in the right on green says volunteer resume. Yes. So in here, let's say someone go to school and they want to present how many hours they did, and all opportunities would dig if you go up a little bit You see where it says volunteer Yeah, you can edit the profile track and add files and if you click on volunteer resume See it has a certain end date So usually if you have hours as soon as you click that it will download and It would have all the hours and all the opportunities and in it. And so one thing that I think is awesome about this is for especially young folks applying for jobs, they'll be able to document and show all the things they've been working on. That's really great. And for their bright futures that may need to have so many more help. And if you go up a little bit to Commissioner, thank you. And you see where it says my files? Okay, usually here you can add any, let's say, certificate you have regarding this opportunity or anything. It can be also viewed by the program manager, for example, Gina, you know, in the advisory board. And um, like a CPR, I was not very, but your CPR certification. Exactly. And she can access it as a manager under your username. What's the privacy level here? Like if I were to put, I don don't know my engineering license on there or whatever I mean is there are there any concerns there since you have privacy information? I know it's all public record That's a turning question Yes, I'm chair. Good afternoon Diana Johnson from the County Attorney's Office It would be all public records so everything that's submitted in there is something that we maintain as a public record and would be acceptable accessible if asked for. However, if a public records request was made, we would review it for exemptions and confidential and exempt information. Yeah, I did know if we needed some sort of disclaimer on there for anybody that's adding information for them to recognize there might be a public records you know possibility of somebody requesting that if I just think that might be an important thing to add okay yeah I don't know how I want to know probably it's here oh it's right there. Yeah. If you can remove that. I don't think I can. This is really awesome, guys. Logging out now. Okay. Thank you for volunteering. You're welcome. Thank you. I have to be 24 for a minute. Madam Chair, this is a work in progress. Absolutely. It's awesome. I've unveiled this and it's an opportunity for not only to put in interest and be notified and track things for volunteers for departments which we utilize a lot and it was not centralized but also volunteers for advisory boards. So I've definitely take some of the comments here today on that and and make some adjustments, but it is you know something that we can that we'll learn from as we go. This is a new program for us. And how long would somebody's record be maintained on there if they were inactive? It's um um, it's, um, they will stay there unless we have to remove them as a program manager. So the program manager controls all the list. So we might could do a purge every 10 years if we needed to. I'm just curious. Okay. I think this is awesome. Very nice. Thank you. Yeah, that's exciting. Very, very nice. And I love the idea of having the volunteers have like a portal. They can see their own, their own, exactly. Contributions too. That's great. Thank you. So when you say the program manager, what do you mean the person who's overseeing the, whoever the volunteer coordinator is? Exactly. Yeah. Gotcha. All right. Jeeta, what else? And so those were the ideas that staff had. And so of course, we're open to suggestions. If the board has other ideas, I've been taking some notes as well. We talked about having to volunteer appreciation days. That's still something in the works. Yes. So that goes hand in glove with what we were just talking about so we can track hours. And then we can appropriately recognize people who have milestone hours. So maybe it's something as simple as a certificate. If you have 50 hours and maybe a plaque if you have 500 hours, so depending on what the difference thresholds are, we would do that accordingly. Mr. Prissy. Yeah, I guess I don't know. You may have already tried this in the past and it wasn't successful. You know, these ideas go around in circles. I know that. So feel free to correct the emperor if they're wearing no clothes in this situation. But I guess I wonder about the idea of something that like we do our annual employee event out at Cuscoila and you know, we just celebrate the fact that all these people are doing so much amazing work for us. And I think about the fact that the people who are on our advisory boards are volunteering to do work for us on a regular basis giving up time and energy, oftentimes they're having a higher child care to do it and all sorts of things. So I was wondering about the idea of something like that, like a similar, maybe not quite as elaborate as our staff lunching center that takes a lot of time and energy and money to pull off. But something that would be, you know, light refreshments and maybe some light activities or some highlights from some of the boards. And that would be the opportunity to recognize those people with certificates in front of their peers and people who've really gone about them beyond. It's just a thought. But I don't know if we've tried that in the past and it hasn't been well-attended or I don't think we've done that. Don't think we've done it. I'm sure it can help. Yeah, that's one of the things I was going to recommend. I think we should try to do that, similar to what the Library of Governing Board does. You know, they have hundreds of volunteers. They have a luncheon to celebrate, recognize, and then, you know thank and of those hundreds I would say 20% maybe show up but it's a it's a nice gesture it's an annual it's an annual event and and it is a little bit of work but they're doing a lot of work for us so I think it's worth doing yeah yeah yeah I had one more question about the dashboard you talked about the monetary value of the volunteer hours. If you have an attorney volunteering or a physician volunteering, how are you calculating those hours compared to a stay-at-home mom who is providing just as much good advice. But, you know, it has just a dollar per hour. Yeah, I know. So that's what I'm asking. What's the dollar per hour? I don't want to offend anyone. No. You know. It's basically the dollar impact value is based on the minimum wage we have it set up. But we can change any value. I think we need to say that on there, so that somebody, because we do have positions that we ask for very qualified people, Dennis, doctors, nurses, whatever, to volunteer for us. And so if they see that the dollar impact is like, you know, very small, they might be offended. So we just, you know, because they, you know, very small they might be offended. So we just, you know, because they, you know, we have people that have billable hours and the hundreds of dollars that volunteer their time for us. And I also think it would be good to understand what that impact is as well. So anyway, just thought I'd point that out. I don't want to offend anybody on either side of that. And I just want to mention that also the website help us to do campaign for the reward and recognition like you guys were talking. But it's going to be all digital. We can, for example, if you reach 100 hours, you get bronze or gold. Or this software is capable of doing that as well. Nice. Yeah Just to correct one thing I said some some individual programs do Recognition on their own for example foster grandparents is one that something actually that the grant requires us to do So some some of them right crisis crisis center does their annual picnic. So there are some departments that are doing that on an individual basis, but as a whole, as the county to recognize things like you've got the most hours or these are people who've done more than 100, what have you, we've not done that formally and this would do that. And of course, not all of the volunteer opportunities provide something similar. So I mean, I guess I would say this as advisory board and volunteers. And so we would be like, specifically recognizing people who have been serving on the advisory boards and then and volunteers who have achieved a certain number of hours. And yeah. OK. Cool. Hey, Commissioner. We were just trying to think, do we have photographs of these groups of people? Do we know who they are as a team, you know, as a group of people? Some of them, yes. Some of them we do. And I know Mark, your team has really done nice jobs of trying to present, you know, activities that are going on in the community. I don't know if there's some way that we can showcase some of these committees and what they're doing and how they're configurated, how they get together, you know, what they're actually. I don't know. People like to see themselves come TV. They like to see themselves, you know, up in public and I don't know without adding a whole lot more to your schedule if there's some way that we could highlight some of these. I almost wonder since we do invite them to our regular board meetings anyway if that's kind of our reminder that the liaison who's likely giving them talking points about you know their accomplishments and goals anyway that they kind of help put together the media advisory and maybe we can have a photo taken of them and so everybody gets recognized annually and it's not all at once it kind of staggers them out. It puts them out in public. And that's a great record to have to. Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean I think something like that recognition publicly in the news or just even honestly even a thank you note showing up in like which I would be happy if we each like got assigned like from a commissioner like a handwritten up think you know that shows up in their mailbox to just say thank you you know once a year for their work um the only other thing I wanted to say about the diversity side of things is that I think that if we want more diversity we're gonna have to get more creative about when these meetings are held and if we're going to offer shop care job care and or food, because I think for a lot of the people, and I know that that gets expensive, and it gets into more cost, and it's made not something we want to tackle right now. But I just want to bring it up, that for many people, the reason that they don't serve on these things is because they have jobs that don't allow them to take time off to go do it. if they did it in the evening, they have other family responsibilities. So something to think about, and maybe that could be a second part of this conversation for the future after maybe the equity board thinks about ways in which we might increase diversity. They may have some other suggestions. For certain board, especially. Yeah, I have a future thing I'm gonna talk about that exact thing in a future meeting. Commissioner Cornell. You have a motion? I have a motion. OK, three part. So the one thing I would love to have a motion is maybe to even evaluate some of those resolutions and ordinances for the very hard to fill. Just take another look at those because that one, again, it's been vacant for 15-ish years, and that's quite a long time. And we need to look, because some of those may have a should be rather than shall be. Correct. Yeah, I think that's the way to change. So review the ordinances and bring back any difficult one we can talk about. Are they important enough that we should be doing with more recruitment or are they once we can just update the ordinance? Okay, four part version. One move that we ask to athletes, Azons for advisory board vacancies to develop an action plan, which would include interactions with our communications department, discussions with each of the advisory boards, and discussions with community interaction with the Board of County Commissioners to seek to fill the advisory board vacancies over the next fiscal year. Can I suggest that that be the manager, to the manager, not to the liaisons having? For us, yeah, we have staff. Yes. We have staff. Thank you. And you can either leave the aesons or your volunteer coordinator. Part two, ask staff to review our advisory boards and to make sure our advisory boards have diversity in the respect of makeup and where necessary bring back any recommendations for the sport. Part three asks to develop a volunteer and advisory board appreciation launch event similar to what the library governing board does in an effort to recognize our volunteers and advisory board members and to our gratitude for their public service. For, look at our advisory board resolutions and bring back any recommendations for very hard to fill vacancies or other issues. For other issues. For promotion. We've motioned in a second. Further discussion from the board. Can you change the adjustments and changes? I mean, I'm not sure I totally understand the first one, but you're just saying generally, like come up with an action plan with our media folks and our staff folks around. Communicate? Communicate. Our advisory board members. So how can we fill these vacancies? And then with us, so kind of those three, to try to get them all filled by next year. OK, great. Yeah, I think we should have a goal, you know, is to like always have like 20% vacant, you know, like nothing more otherwise we're not doing our job. If commission or wheelers go to speak to the chamber. Yeah, the staff to use them. I'll go in this week, I'll take the list. Yeah, take the list of whichever ones up could read to the chamber. Right. And you know, include that. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That, you know, that can just be part of the packet we take to the chamber whenever we go. Or wherever we're speaking. I think it's just looking at our calendars and that may be something that coordinate with Latoya to see what our calendars are and then to say, oh, you know, it's like we're going to be at the Hawthorne Sustainability Summit. Like let's bring the E-PAC and land conservation and climate and you know, whatever And it's really Mark when Mark prepares talking points if we're Mark preparing talking points what advisory board relates to this thing my land development board And so that's not liaison Mark hey, we have Carried advisory board. Yeah, yeah, I love it anymore Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel bad now at the opening of the East Side clinic. I know, we didn't. We didn't recruit, right? We could have. Although, at that one, I mean, I think the bigger recruitment would have been at their open house. Absolutely. We were absolutely. Yeah. We weren't invited to that. Yeah. We'll take public comment on the motion now. Good. Anybody would like to speak please come to the, you can, it's there not a chair. You just go ahead and sit right there in the middle. Yeah. Thank you Madam Chair, Commissioner, staff. My name is Tamar Robbins. I'm a little confused because there seems to be this overlapping of the agenda said that it was advisory boards and then we're rolling in volunteers. And so for me, like the handbook that it says that people are supposed to read the handbook, like if you're talking about that handbook applies to volunteer and advisory boards, I think if it's, I don't know what it is, because you should be approving a handbook that is being required for advisory board members to read and review and understand. I don't see that as a staff level thing. Volunteers? Yeah. Advisory boards are subject to the Sunshine Law. It's a whole different level of engagement and volunteering of time. It's a handbook in of engagement and volunteering of time. And so the handbook in my mind, you should be approving it for the advisory boards. To Commissioner Prisius' point, I think, and to Madam Chair's, I agree. I think all appointments should be on the regular agenda. I don't think you should be putting anything on the consent agenda. If you want to draw interest to the public and have them be recognized and appreciated, then recognize them in the open meeting discussion. It's not a consent item issue. It's a, we appreciate one person who stepped up to volunteer. Let's hear from them and let's recognize them and appoint them. The consistency of audio and video recording, that has been an issue for me for a long time, and I'll give an example of Miss Peoples went above and beyond when there was a subcommittee of the Surtracks Board that met in Alachua, and Gina was out there with her recorder because that was so important to audio record that meeting. But yeah, there are many boards that don't even audio record. The animal resources, they don't audio record their meetings. I think that's unacceptable. I would like to listen to the audio recordings of those meetings and they don't audio record. The tourist board does an audio record. So I don't think that's a hard problem to solve. You guys buy some portable audio recording equipment and the liaison is responsible for trekking in around or wherever your location is. And you make sure that these meetings are audio recorded. They're downloaded and people can get information. And that's the way of promoting and showing respect to the board. Their work is important. Here are other people who are interested and they can listen to the meeting and see for themselves whether they want to participate. So that consistency, I didn't see a link to like a help phone number up there. So I think that should be added up there. So there's people are getting lost in all this, which I would like to see the help button with a phone number. So I could call them, say send me a hard copy of this or email it to me. But the main thing I would say is the consistency. I think you should try to meet and have them video streamed as much as possible. The rule concerns board, when they meet over at the IFA's place, they do an excellent job. And Madam Chair, if I can just finish my comment. Please finish quickly. Thank you. They do an excellent job with their meetings. Do you guys need to be more consistent with your advisory boards? They should be meeting in this room. They should be meeting in places where they can be streamed. And certainly audio and video recording. Thanks. If you do have any other public comment on this item. All right. Any further comments for the board? I know. I'm sure, Prisya. What is the other than minutes taken on the meetings, are there any requirements for audio or video recording? Not that I'm aware of. It just under the Sunshine Law just states minutes, but we can certainly get back with you and double-check just to make sure. I know that when I was chair at EPAC, the Gus always recorded the meetings. I don't know what he did with their recordings or where they went, but I know he recorded them. But I know other boards didn't do that. I think Code Enforcement was on TV. I can't remember that. I believe I'm out in chair that there are some boards and committees where the stoplies on does take the audio recording course it becomes a public record so we have to maintain it but it's utilized in the preparation of written minutes to system and all that said because there's sometimes a lot of dialogue as you know absolutely and then I did have one question do we have a handbook for advisory boards members that can or no The board does have your advisory board rules. And so that is their- They're given that when they become a- They're liaison is supposed to give them that. And so I don't, I can't say what certainty that everybody does receive it, but- I have never received a copy of advisory board rules. Just, and I served on three different advisory boards. Just, just say it, not, not, nothing to those very excellent liaisons, but maybe something. And they are, and, and their liaisons are also supposed to be informing them about Sunshine Law and Public Records Law as well. And then the attorney's office will often do regular trainings every, you know, a couple of years or so with the boards to make sure, you know, they'll schedule time every, you know, a couple of few years to go in and do reminder sessions on those things with our board members as well. Well, I guess perhaps rather than trying to create a whole separate thing or anything that would be annoying for anybody and to change this process because I love having the advisory boards on our volunteer. Perhaps we can just add a chapter in that volunteer but special considerations for advisory boards that would you know I mean I think sunshine in general is covers all these volunteers anyway so they need to know that but then anything that's special information about rules of advisory boards or specifics that could be added to that handbook so that when they get it you know if they want to volunteer for other things they'll have lots of information but As an advisory board they'll they'll get that now and then you know, we can ask the liaisons to just annually Yeah, cuz advisory board members are volunteers Yeah, that's something that we don't always and that will probably have to liaisons to update their hours too Because it's not as if they're gonna go in and sign up every time they go to a meeting so we'll have to somehow track their hours. That's correct. They're there after the meeting supposed to be, they'll be having access and they will go in and put it as part of the attendance. They were, the board meeting lasted three hours. They were there three hours. So they can, that'll be a way to attract, track attendance. Correct. Okay. Great. And it also provides good information for any future person that may want to volunteer at these meetings, usually less now and a half, these usually less three hours. And I think there's good information all about anything else. All right. Let's vote. All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, like, say? All right. Very good. Yeah. Hi, any opposed lakeside? All right, very good. My motion. Yep, that was a lot of motion. Thank you, Ken. Sure. Good luck. I hope you found the answer. And thank you both of y'all for the hard work on this. This has been something we've been talking about for a while. And I'm really glad to see it. It's where it's at right now. So very good. Thank you. All right, moving on to our Lutcher County Housing Plan update. We don't have Ralston, but we have. Here do you see the cat? She does here. Yes, and so I'm very happy to have kids. Nice team. Yes. I was on a call the other day and I saw all the it was a natural call on housing for folks coming out of the prison system and jail systems and there were like five or six folks from a lot of county on there we were like one-fifth of the whole group from all over the country it was really awesome yeah I didn't know anybody from the county was gonna be on there when I got It was really awesome. to talk to you about some updates to the Affordable Housing Plan and do regret that Ralston and Kevin Lennon are not here today. They had other commitments but we are here to represent. Do we have a deal work? Yes. So these are changes to our affordable, well not affordable but our housing plan, our annual housing plan. As you know we came before the board in 2023 with our first version of the plan. We then updated as of May 2024. Every time we make a change, we are coming to the board to ask your consent or approval for these changes. Prior to coming to the board, we go to the Elijah County Affordable Housing Advisory Committee to get their input. And we also go to the housing finance authority. So both of those boards give us input into anything related to housing that is occurring in actual county. The two other proposed changes one deal with the reallocation of $200,000 from our affordable housing trust fund, moving money from the blighted communities, which is where we work, and at this moment we are working in Copeland, moving money from code enforcement to a housing initiative partnership. With the Housing Initiative Partnership, we currently have that as part of our affordable housing trust plan, where we have $100,000 allocated and we currently provide 10 vouchers for families who are waiting permanent vouchers. Our goal is to increase that by 200,000. So hopefully we will serve up to 30 families in the upcoming year. And that is a partnership that we have with the Lystra County Housing Authority and also with Family Promise at Gainesville. It is a successful program. Go back for a moment. The other thing that we did for this plan, updated for this plan was to add a tear, a priority of listing of what we think of our priorities for housing. We introduced this prioritization as part of our recent budget meeting that occurred on August 15th with Fit budget and fiscal services. The priorities in short save for the first we would look at affordability And as always, tenant-based housing vouchers, we would look at setting aside households that are extremely low income and those households usually fall below $30,000 a year and also emphasis on those developments with three bedroom units or larger to accommodate our families and our Latino County that are larger families. The second tier is inclusion. Mix income projects set aside for young adults leaving foster care as we know that is one group that focuses on nationwide because once they are discharged from foster care they usually don't have a plan in place for permanent housing and a lot of those young individuals and up on the street as homeless. Also set a size for veterans and elderly households. Our third tier is community maintenance and improvement. Again, working with blighted communities, something similar to what we're doing in Copeland. Re-bitalization and to preserve our existing low-income housing. You see, we do a lot of that through our HFA with our multi-family bonds and things like that. Also project financing helping to get those developers who need the gap financing and other financing towards developing any of those priorities that we have listed. Can you can you be clear about what these prioritization tiers are for specifically? Just when we take in applications and we may have complete the advocating applications for funding, it will help us to identify which application should be given priority. We don't think it'll happen too often, but sometimes it may occur. As we unroll this application, we may get multiple applications at once, but our funding is limited, so we will determine who will get their funding and how much each will get and use this as a priority to help us guide us just as a guideline. OK. I'm Terry. Get police. Go ahead. Yeah. I guess we didn't talk about these tiers at the Fortville Housing Advisory Committee. So I can't provide you with any context about that. But I guess in my looking at them, I guess I'm, I mean, our target is 50% AMI and below. So I guess I'm wondering why the priority would be for just tenant-based housing vouchers and set-asides for extreme below and why it wouldn't be the 50% affordability tier wouldn't be housing provided at 50% AMI are below. I don't think it's limited what in terms of it does follow because the whole plan speaks about the 50% of the low. So it does follow that when we look at extremely low those are those at 30% but it's not only so the tenant base doesn't necessarily go with those who are extremely low. Okay I guess I just would like if I was seeing a pro, I'm just trying to understand how these would be used. So if I had if if a developer submitted a project to us that was for single family housing detached in West Gainesville that was going to be ownership based but they had some way, they wanted us to buy the land and do the underground utilities for this and at that level they could provide mortgages that would be achievable for families, you know, a two-income household at 50% AMI. It just preferred the sake of argument. And then another one came in that was for tenant-based housing vouchers that they were building multi-family housing and it was going to be rentals and they-based housing vouchers, that they were building multi-family housing, and it was gonna be rentals, and they had equipment of vouchers from the Gainesville Housing Authority, or something like that. That one would get priority. The voucher rentals would get priority over the single-family housing. I don't wanna do to think that those inputs are that simplified in terms of, we would look at the whole application. Okay. We look at how much funding that they are requesting, what funding source that would be used, so a lot goes into making that decision. So yeah, I would say it is more complicated than even what we have as a priorities. But if we should have competing applications for some reason, staff always has to make a decision which application move forward. What's better for the community? And I don't say staff along again, we bring it to the respect the boards get their input and then we will bring it to the B O C C with our justification as we why we selected one or the other with a recommendation. I see these as really great things as we create projects to say this is a tier one project. This is a tier four project. You know this is one of those instances where there's a lot of right answers and we need all of them. And so we need all of these different things, right? And so to me if we're putting out an RFQ or an RFI and RFP whatever we can say this is a project where we are prioritizing out of this list these three things or these two things or If we're evaluating a project and we're doing an evaluation matrix, we wait those different things and assign You know waiting I assume that's how you one of the ways I'll make decisions But and wait them appropriately. I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud. What, what, what, and Chair, I think that is it. Again, this is our first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this, right? We'll be rolling out an application that will be open-ended. So we envision that we will get multiple projects simultaneously at the same time. So this gives us a way to weigh and say this is what we would focus on. This is a priority But it doesn't mean that we can say that as staff but as we know as we go along with housing Developers may fall short for some reason. They may pull back there They're funding or the application or something like that But if everything being equal we have to we would say this would be our way to To be fun to that tier one and Tier two could be the same thing. You could have three bedroom houses because you want to mix income project with set of sites for all of those other things. That would be an ideal neighborhood to me where you've got kids from foster care being trying to become independent right next to folks that, you know, are families and, you know, they can feel part of a real neighborhood, you know what I mean? Or certain of these groups meet several categories. So you can be extremely low income, enforced care, or extremely low income in senior citizen. Absolutely. You can live in a habit in it, have section eight, and be in a senior citizen. So you may fall into more than one. Exactly. It's your president. Yeah, I guess I'm here what you're saying, and I hear what you're saying. But I'm still really struggling with this, because I think it sets a message to developers. And it sounds like this is your primary, this is your primary priority, this is your secondary priority, this is your third priority, this is your fourth priority. These are the things you're looking for and these are the things you're finding, that's what this looks like. So if that's not what this is intended to be, if this is intended to be a decision matrix, internal for staff, then I think that's how it should be worded. Like this is a decision making matrix. These are things that are going to be weighted and prioritized based on different funding sources and that this is not just for the infrastructure tax. That would be really helpful to include in the wording for that plan. Because I think right now it comes across as like these are our priorities in this order. And I realize that's not what you're saying. Now it's more of like these are the things that we're looking for in projects that we have specific funding for or that we have set of sites for or that there's special consideration for. Yeah, maybe instead of saying tears, it should say, you know, priority one, priority two, priority three or something. If I can just, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm really short. The only other thing I really want to hit on is I don't really actually agree with or appreciate the outside of Gainesville piece of this because the majority of our services i.e. transit hospitals grocery stores jobs are in the city of Gainesville and while I yes I also want to fund things in in Newberry and in Hawthorne and in Alakshua and in Waldo. And I want to see our funding work to support their goals to grow and thrive and provide accessible housing. Most of our affordable housing are already in those places and where we need affordable housing is in the place where the job centers are where rents are becoming unattainable and housing is becoming unattainable and where we have all the services that people need that are going to rank the highest to get other types of funding. And so I would hate for us to preclude projects in the city of Gainesville when we know that those are the ones that are going to score highest on a lot of the other grant opportunities. Go ahead, Claudia. Chair, that was put in, I think specifically, because there's certain funding that we can't use within the city limits of Gainesville. For instance, ship, they have their own allocation. Right, right. We can't use that, but we can use it in all the other municipalities. Right. As we're looking at the different tiers that would apply. Yeah, I guess that's what I mean. I think this is just a really confusing language. Because what you're saying is we have different tiers of funding or different types of funding that kind of target these different areas. And so we're looking for projects that fill these, but not necessarily that these are our only priorities. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's a, that's, that was good. That's to me is the confusing part is or tier. I think that's, anyway, I can make sure. Park Cornell and then commissioner. We like if we just change if we deleted priorization and just said different available tiers. Right. Different types of like these are the funding availability. The prioritization is the prioritization is what's getting you because you're saying to once first and I think what y'all are saying is there's different types of tiers that could be funded. Or are you saying we want to prioritize tier one over two, two over three and three over four? We have four boxes and one boxes bigger. Is that what you're saying? I think it was the intent of staff to have a priority in terms of if we have competing interests for funding which would we allocate. But again, it goes with the funding source. But we don't understand and we will clarify. Yeah, we will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. We will clarify. Yeah. the 37,000 that we did at the last board meeting is a tier two type because it's a set of cyberhead with the households. And the fact that if we could take 37,000 and leverage millions of dollars for me, that's a high priority. That gets me there and that's a tier type fund. And it's in Gainesville. And it happens to be in Gainesville. Yeah. So that's how I would view it. That's what I'm saying. I just want to make sure that when we have those types of opportunities, I just didn't want these tiers to get in the way of creating of opportunities coming our way. So if we're prioritizing tier one, we'll never get to 2, 3, and 4, because we'll never fund enough for AMI, but we basically four boxes, right? That's how I view it. Yeah, yeah. That better? So take out finalization. Yeah, I still, I mean, there's nothing in there anywhere that talks about, I mean, there's mixed income projects. There's nothing in there that talks about accessibility of trying to create more accessibility for sale. Like, I just, I just I just I'm just I get what this is being used for and I agree with what staff is saying about what this is being used It's used for them to help when they're looking at a project to determine which sort of funding it it can qualify for and How it fits into a matrix of a bunch of projects we have going on, but it isn't it's not even a tier It's not a prioritization or a tier. It's a set of categories and like some of them like the set of sides I guess I'm just trying to understand like this is for ship. This is for infrastructure surtax. This is for like Vash voucher like what you know, I? There's so many different types of housing funding that are coming to us, but this specific thing is talking about just the infrastructure surtax project applications or... This was primarily for infrastructure sales tax, understanding that we can use different funding, coupled to the different funding based on the projects. Because that money, honestly, like when you talk about elderly households and veterans, if they're disabled, we might not even be able to use that money, because the majority of that money is workforce housing dollars. Workforce. So that's where I'm a little bit. But I get where you're going with this. I appreciate it. And I get the concept of just not sure I get. So it's just said again, you're saying if it's classified as work force, it would qualify under the infrastructure sales. Right, but right now we've set aside for veterans and elderly households. A lot of those are not going to qualify for work force. I thought we did put those things in there. I thought we did focus on the elderly and work in veterans. How would the quality of veterans in some boxes? Is there no working? If they're disabled veterans, they're elderly, they're not working. Correct. They are retired. They are no longer working. So we wouldn't be able to use workforce money if they're a disabled veteran and they're claiming disability and not working. Or if they're elderly retired and not working, they're not going to qualify for. I didn't see disabled veteran. I just saw veteran. So that's why I was just that's where I'm like, but. How do you veterans can be worked for? But we have a lot of other money to your point that we could potentially bring to the table for those projects. Just not the infrastructure for tax dollars. I know you're writing, Commissioner Wheeler. Did you need to say something? No, that staff will just look in in classified categories as opposed to priorities or tears So these are just categories that Okay, uh Commissioner Wheeler that that this for me. I don't have any problem with this at all Absolutely in this covers all the bases that we have sold that Infrastructure sales tax on and the public needs to see that you've asked have done that So I don't I don't see the confusion and maybe that's because I'm not looking at it at the same microscope that you guys are but no I think this covers all the bases that we promised the public and in terms of how the buckets of money come in and how they're you know if we need that clarity then go there. And I think if we added low and extremely low, that would capture workforce. Because low is 60% and below, extremely low is 30%. Did you agree? Yeah, but yeah, extremely low is typically that. 30%. I'm going to just change that warning. Low and extremely low. Yeah. I guess that mirrors the Love and extremely low. Yeah. I guess that mirrors the rest of it. Right. Plan. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That is useful though. I like it. To change prioritization of categories and add love and extremely low. And remove outside of games field. I think projects anywhere. No, no, no, no, they need that though. No, they don't. We don't need that as a priority or a tier or a category. Any housing project in Elantra County should be eligible to apply for this money and have an equal chance of getting awarded money. But we're talking about all yeah, can't dispel it, you answer. Yeah, some limits when we talk about ship and CDBG. As in ship, the only time we can do ship if it's special needs and that's like the veteran or something was seen as. But you just completed telling me that that was for infrastructure, so tax application. No, but I'm just answering in terms of using certain funding. The Lachor County Trust Fund, you have no restrictions on that, so that could be inside the City of Gainesville. But if we were to look at, depending on what funding we would look at. But you said that was specific for the IST. This was for the IST. These categories. Those categories. So in that instance, I don't think that we should be prioritizing housing in one place or another. I think that we, other than we said we weren't going to do things east of Main Street unless there was a special exception. Other than that, I think we should be within the city of Kingsville. I think we should be saying, I agree with you. Housing anywhere, bring us projects. Like, I don't want to limit there because the majority of them, if they're going to go for other financing. One of the things those people look for is how close are they to other services and things like jobs and right and the number one place that they're going to be looking is inside the city of Gainesville because that's where the majority of those services exist. So until we we as a policy-making board and working with municipalities begin to work on how they thrive and build out their infrastructure for jobs and hospitals and grocery stores and all those things like Gainesville is always going to be the primary target place for this kind of housing. and build out their infrastructure for jobs and hospitals and grocery stores and all those things. Like, Gainesville is always going to be the primary target place for this kind of housing. It just is. So, what would we say for ship and CBDG funding? What would we just say? I'm not, I'm not afford yet. I'm not either. I don't want to. We're just not, this is, that's what I'm saying, y'all, is like what that categories were, what are they being used for? Are they being used, they said they were just being used for the application of our infrastructure or tax dollars. And our affordable housing trust fund dollars, apparently. Like those two buckets of money right now, we don't have a process for how people can apply for that money, but those tiers or those categories would be the categories that would be part of that application process. For our infrastructure surtax dollars that's that the 30% we set aside of the half penny and whatever affordable housing trust fund dollars we end up allocating of general fund that doesn't get allocated because of Claudia's team has ideas for special projects like the vouchers or whatever. There's other monies available where that would go that's what these categories are for and what I'm saying is I would like us to not preclude Gainesville projects from being a part of consideration in those applications I don't want to agree I want to just have it be anywhere in a lot of accounting. Okay I don't as long as you say don't preclude Gainesville, I don't want it to sounded earlier like you were saying they shouldn't be in the outlying. No, absolutely. They should be outlying. I just want to make sure that we understood that. Yeah, I want it to be anywhere that a developer thinks they can get a viable project for affordable housing. I want them to see more for housing in some of this community. So yeah, okay, so we're on the same page. Yeah, just anywhere. I just want, I wanted to give developers the maximum flexibility. We can just say, I think it's important. If it's countywide, that's fine too. But I think these smaller municipalities when they have it spelled out, you know, spelled out that they are included in this too, because I know they're each trying to grow their own tax base. They don't want to have to depend on the county like they have, but they've got to have the housing. And the opportunities to have help from the county get that going is crucial. It's crucial. All right. So can I go back one more time just to clarify? Can we go back to that? So what this board has said is change the title to say funding category opportunities. Is that work for you all? It's changed the title to say funding category opportunities. Is that work for you all? Add low and extreme low. And then on tier four say for all municipalities that don't have human capital. So strike outside of Gainesville and strike target just for all municipalities. Okay, right. Yeah, municipalities and unincorporated area. Municipalities and unincorporated area. Municipalities and unincorporated area. Everybody agree with that? I'm good with that. Okay. Longest step. So do you all want the housing in the unincorporated area? Do you want funding for unincorporated areas? I don't mind that. There's opportunities for the zones. All our areas, all from that. That's considered unincorporated areas. I don't mind that. There's all from that's considered. Swag. Okay. The eastern part of the county that's not East Scansville. That's outside of East Scansville. Well, I just urban boundaries I get confused about we're you know we're talking about urban boundaries. It'll mostly be within the urban probably within the urban cluster and swampiness values. We're talking about urban boundaries. It'll mostly be within the urban, probably within the urban cluster and swaminess values, but then have to be. We're rural clusters. Classes. It'll always prioritize better, because it's going to be closer to other services. Yeah. OK. Well, you all know about the wording better than I do. I'm just looking for pushback from you all in terms of things that we're asking you for that you would say, no. I guess what I would say is, I mean, that may be something to put in there. And that would be the community maintenance is safe. Here's financial aid, but community construction and preserving is to move in communities in areas where services are easily accessible. Or something like that that gets to that point of like, we want them to be building these in areas that allow for people to be living, working, planning, and moving within a context area, right? We're not trying to create a bunch of sprawl. When the infrastructure is available to the... I don't know where it would go in there, but that maybe it's under that small municipalities in areas. I'm just saying like the goal is just like in every other goal for affordable housing is to build it in places where people can. And I think that's pretty much laid out in our... It's in our. It's in our overall goal. But it's. Yeah. Yeah. It is. OK. So I would move the implementation of the wrong way. Is there a way they should work? No, they should work. Let's see the rest of the presentation for you. Sorry. We do have an application that we hope to roll out during some previous meetings. We had discussions with Pinellas County. Attorney said some discussions with Pinellas County also in looking at their application and application process. So a lot of current application that we're using is based on Pinellas County and what they currently use in support of their infrastructure tax and program. This will be our first time using it so we don't have any data to support how effective it is, what are the deficits in it, what works really well, but we will take those things into consideration as we get applications. And we've decided to leave it open all year as opposed to restricting the time and which will take applications. Yeah. Can I ask about that? Well, we'd be accepting incomplete applications. Like I know that there's a lot of documentation requirements in those applications and some of them. I was talking with staff and they said they didn't seem like it was, that's the right word, like, undo expectations. They're pretty standard expectations of what someone who's actually putting a development project together would have, but it may be a timing thing. So whatever system is going to take these applications will accept incomplete applications. Yes, it will accept. It will go into our new world. I'm exclusively not new world, enabling. And it does accept. It allows them to upload it. So there's parts of those documents that they don't have yet, like they're in the process of developing whatever pieces of documentation they have they could submit. And then. And actually the application for staff is just a starting point. It just gives us information because a lot as you know we'll have to have a lot of discussions with the Proposa with the developer So it doesn't capture all of everything. It just gives us some basics. Right. It's a start. Yeah, that's all the applications Yeah, I think it's great And I think just that conversation that being really clear about that with Mark is you're rolling it out Just this is a starting place if you have ideas start here with submitting them. Here's the kinds of things you're going to need to be able to actually do a project with us first and foremost and that's great. Yeah, so excited. I had somebody contact me this morning asking me how did they get on the list to do this project? So it'll be nice to be able to tell them that. Cluddy. Sheriff, I can add we're asking you to approve and concept the idea of the application as we start using it I would imagine there'll be changes will be needed to make and rather than bring it back to each time to give us the authority Just go ahead and make those changes we really just want in concept. Okay. Yes But the last slide Yes, it is There's one I was looking for's one over here. Okay. Are you ready? I think we already know that we have the roof. The proposed changes as modified, which specifically are number one, reallocate funding of 200,000 housing trust funding from blighted communities, code enforcement to housing initiative partnerships, and two added funding categories with details for use for the infrastructure sales tax. Two, the Alachor County Housing Plan and authorize the Housing and Strategic Development Division to proceed with process to receive applications to the Affordable and Workforce Housing Opportunities and form similar to that presented. And three to modify the categories as discussed in today's meeting. Yeah, as modified. And yeah, and those are, you want to go back to that slide. Changing the title to funded categories. On tier one, adding low and prior to low and extremely low. For tier four, change the wording to say for all municipalities and unincorporated that don't have human capital. Yeah, second. Got it, Kate? Yep. All right, we have a motion and a second. Thank you, Ken. Again, here's the best motion maker. Do we have, do we have any further comments from the board? All right. Public comment on this motion. Thank you, Madam Chair, Commissioner Staff. My name is Tamar Robbins. So has the trust fund been set up to accept land donations yet? That's one of the questions that I have because that was part of the language in the ordinance that was approved by the voters that wasn't just monetary donations or other funding sources committed by the border outside from elsewhere. It was to be able to receive land donations. And the other thing is I thought that it had been decided that the surtax, the infrastructure money, the portion, the 30% of the half-scent was going to be dedicated to only land purchasing. And I don't know if you, I thought that's how it was. That's what you originally said. It could only be used to purchase land. You did say that at some point. You guys are shaking your head. That was part of the criteria. And I don't know if that's, it seems like that has changed. So, and I'm not sure why it's, at some point in a meeting you were talking about, you could through around the different categories. It was affordable housing, workforce housing, approach of attainable housing, and you never have come up really with a clear definition. I mean, the workforce housing, you applied that to the law enforcement and school and teachers and the fire fighters and the emergency people. I mean, I mean, those are all people that are getting paid by the public. You guys just need to pay them more because I don't think they should be living in workforce housing. I mean, what about the people that are cleaning the hotel rooms and all those workforce housing? is that the same category as a fireman, but those are all public employees and so I think you need to do the math on is it you're using the public employees as a category for workforce housing opportunities and that just somehow doesn't sit right with me When you're in charge of the budget of how much these people can afford. That's why the law enforcement live outside of a Latchwell County, a lot of them, because they can't afford to live here. So you're now going to build workforce housing for them when you're in charge of their salaries? I don't know. I think it's a math formula. Like what is the better investment? And what about the other people that are not public employees that are a major part of the workforce in this community that keep your tourism going? I mean, who makes those beds? Who waits the tables? Who cleans the floors in publics? I mean, publics doesn't pay any great wage. And they're one of those like fifth largest employers in this county. So I just I'd like to know about the land donation opportunities in the trust fund and also just for you to consider the idea of how you're categorizing and who you're attributing the target to for workforce housing. I just I think that's it just doesn't sit right with me. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Robbins. Any further public comment to the motion? Okay. I'm a manager. Yeah, to be clear there was a discussion of 30 percent but it was 30 percent to housing, 70 percent to roads for the half-pending. Could we change tier one, tier two, two, three, two, four to say category one, category two, category three. Yeah, I think that was clear. Okay. You made the motion. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Prisya. Yeah. Um, I, I just want the quickly to say that uh, when there was uh, 15% of a penny, right? Am I correct in this? Can be used for affordable housing land purchases of land for affordable housing. We set aside 30% of a half penny, the remainder of that money. So anything above 15% of a quarter penny or whatever can also be used to build infrastructure, including affordable, including workforce housing. So the ordinance mirrors the statue, the ordinance that you adopted and what the voters approved by their voting mirrors the statue and it doesn't specifically call out workforce housing but it calls out economic development. And the wording of such that it is so vague and open that if the board were to side and make those findings that this workforce housing supports economic development then you could utilize those funds. So and that's I think the director and that you've given us staff. So, and just as an additional point of clarification, the housing plan that's been presented to you today has definitions in it. So if there's any confusion to what may be work for a housing, or if the board decides it needs to be defined differently, the housing plan on the back of the glossary with some definitions that's been useful for staff and their interpretation. Commissioner Prissy. I guess I would just like to state on the record and in general that I believe that any housing that we build in this community is economic development supportive because when you have unhoused people living on your streets that isn't good for business that isn't good for economic development we We're seeing that at downtown right now, the struggles that our downtown business community are having with unhoused individuals. I think any housing that we can do in this community is just a file from an economic development standpoint because more housing, more opportunities for people to come here, more opportunities for people to work here and more opportunities for our businesses to thrive because they're not having to face the difficulties of managing the challenges that come with unhoused individuals. So I feel like all public, I feel like we can make the argument that anything that we're doing on the housing front is going to support economic development into that and then all these categories were just fine. But I just, I do, but I did want to be clear that we felt that we could use some of the money for land, depending on the project and some of the money for the vertical construction, depending on the project. And I think that, you know, as an incentive to developers offering land, especially in areas where land might be expensive, but we definitely need housing in those locations. It's an excellent incentive, but to your point, yes, I absolutely agree with that. All housing, to me, is economic development, especially when you compare the cost of someone being on the street or the cost of someone being in jail versus the cost of housing. It's significantly less. And that's something that's hard to explain to the public. But it's you know the communities that have made investments in housing show real benefit, real economic benefit and so I hope we can get to that point here that's my personal goal. I'm sorry did anybody else have any more comments before we vote on the motion. All in favor of motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Like sign? All right. Awesome. Okay. Good work. Good work. Okay. We're going to move on to open public comments. So this is a time when the public can come speak to any item not on the agenda. I do know that we have some folks here that wanted to speak about the cap funding. So if you would like to come forward, you each have three minutes. So if you want to arrange your comments, that way that would be great. So please come forward to have a seat. Please introduce yourself and thank you. Thank you all. Good afternoon. Carlos Valdas with AMI Kids, home office. Come forward to have a seat. Please introduce yourself and thank you. Thank you all. Good afternoon. Carlos Feldas with AMI Kids Home Office. And Ms. Jasmine Hall with AMI Kids Gamesville. She's our local director here on in Gainesville. And pretty much we just wanted to come out after hearing the reporting. There are some either questions or different. If we can make ourselves available to answer anything as it relates to our organization and our local program. We really do appreciate everything you guys have done as a board and can't thank you all enough for how everything has moved forward with. So we're really appreciative to move forward and do great things for our community. Yes, thank you. You're a new organization in community, so please, a commissioner. A question, yes. Thank you. Questions. One, have you also contacted the children's trust that came up and then two, why was your funding pulled? Sure. So to answer the, she answered the children's trust question. So yes, we're currently receiving funding from the children's trust. How much? $200,000 for July, August, September. I know. And then we were budgeted for their 24 fiscal year for 200 for 12 months. So 200 for this fiscal year and then 200 for next fiscal year. Correct. OK, just one job here then. And then why was it a funding pool? So the funding was pooled from the state level, Department of Human Justice. We, seven programs are sites throughout So the funding was pooled from the state level, Department of Human Justice. We seven programs are sites throughout the entire state was pooled. They decided to move in a different direction in terms of servicing the kids that are in the doing a justice system. Yes, versus doing what is our local community date treatment programming, working with kids that are coming from a doing a justice system. So the department has, like I said, decided to move in a different direction. That direction hasn't been outlined yet. We are working with the department in terms of currently submitting a proposal for gun violence programming, but in addition, they want to look at different services in the entire state. So last one more question. Please tell us, pulled statewide based on the type of services, not because certain organizations didn't meet the requirements of the state. Correct. And that's all providers that are under this contract. They treatment per year. They treat men. Okay. Thank you. Can I ask a question on that? Please give me a short. So given that scenario, or many of the youth that were, I guess that were assigned to you as, like, that's part of their sentence, right? Is this their part, this is sort of part of their probation or their recovery? Like, I think it would be too bold. Okay. So they could either, their probation officers could refer the youth to our program once they are, one released from a residential program or if they are placed on probation, we could be a part of their sanctions or that they could be ordered or not necessarily ordered, but Judge Bullock could refer the youth to come to our facility. And that's considered a like a sentencing in a way it's part of their probation so if they don't if they don't finish the program successfully they can look at getting a violation of probation our recommendation is always once they finish a program successfully they go through all the sanctions we monitor all their court sanctions whether it's a tuition drug testing counseling community service apology, mental health services. So once they complete that with us three to six months, depending on how they progress through the program, then our recommendations always be closer to case and have their case closing move on with life. And part of that also consists of workforce development programming, where we work with them so they can find a job to be able to then be able to provide and meet for themselves and families and hopefully become productive citizens of society one day and do great things. So, who are your other collaborators that provide services like this in Elatua County? Like, who else is doing this kind of work and partnership with you all here? Okay, so collaboratively, we were the only organization, I would say, that was doing the things that we were doing under the DJJ contract. So we did collaborate with the last for County Public School Board. And it was DJJ. Okay, so it's cool. Will we give you any funding? No, Okay. So you're public funding right now for the next fiscal year, 88,000 cap, 200,000 children's trust. And how much of the money comes from your national part like from you all in the national partner? How much money do you give to your local chapter? So all the dollars that each facility has is their own local contract. So home Office serves as an entity to provide oversight for the contracts, so all of our payroll, accounting, auditing, support staff, all of our vice presidents sits there. So the Home Office necessarily are the one that holds the dollars per se. When we apply for grants, we apply on behalf of each entity and each entity, its own unique entity, with its own local board. So the local boards are also fundraising and advocating on behalf of that local organization. Does the local board send any money to the national organization then? So per contract, for each contract that we have, yes, there's an indirect 10% fee for the contracts, yes. For to provide that oversight. That's about average for a half. That's a different model. Okay. That's pretty average actually. Yeah. Yeah. The national organizations they tend to do like, it's cheaper than trying to hire all your own admin for sure. Yep. Yep. Yep. Thank you for being here. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you all I will the clerk will make copies and give copies to all of us. Commissioner Wheeler, do you have a question? Where do some of the residential programs that you all are taking these kids from? What are the still programs that are still operational? So we operate two, well one in the state of Florida out of the panhandle. These are all commitment programs where these kids are being placed sentenced to the commitment programs anywhere between nine to a year. But there's other different providers that are doing that more in-depth of work in the residential setting than just community-based organizations. So when you're talking residential care, I set the AMI community you're working with rather than it could be just across the state of Florida and it could be any provider? Are there that many in Florida? Are there? Okay. Because I used to work in one of those press and I really believe in residential care for some of these kids and Gainesville is a hotbed in a lot of areas for these kids and may not be the best place for some of our kids if you all have alternate placements is what I'm trying to say. Because I believe in teamwork and working with some of these kids and doing it into the day which I know you all do and then send them home. Sometimes you're one step forward and two steps back. So I understand that part too. How many kids have you got out there now? Right now we have 14 youth. We're operating totally different than what we were doing previously. What were you doing previously? That was the DJJ contract. So right now we're just trying to... Hey, but DJJ. Yeah, so right now we're doing vocational services. So we are GED prep testing and we have several certifications that we are offering. So like Oshatin and under Oshatin there were different subsections like automotive, cosmetology, agriculture, public safety, CPR for our state, NCCER, serve staff. Are you still in the same place? Yes, ma'am. It bothers me a lot that we have the loft and it's going with all of these kinds of trade activities too. That somehow they can't be a partnership, even if it's not on the, you know, not within the same facility, but sharing a campus and sharing the resources somehow for 14 kids with a real strong staff, you know, that you can monitor those kids, and I say kids, I'm 73, they're kids, and I thought for 36 years, so I understand. And I think that's what the school model would have done. It would have allowed us to work with the youth. And we would not have been in a separate building. We would have been in a building under the Elatric County Public School Board. OK, so what is blocking that now? What is that? Well, now we need to find an additional funding to be able to support that model. So the initial proposal would have supported that model with the funding reduction we wouldn't be able to run it off the ground currently so we are in the process of looking for that sustainable funding to come in. So I'm confused working on the campus at a place like Lofton. We're working on one of these campuses Lofton particularly because because of the job opportunity, you know, the training opportunities they can get there. What is blocking that? What is, what is... I think there's twofold questions, sorry. So the initial proposal, what Ms. Jasmine was talking to, referring about the work in the school, is that lack of funding until we are able to find that funding we'll be able to do a school within a school model which we will be working more or less providing the same services that we were before but not just for kids that are DJJ. More so kids that are those kids that are about to drop out of high school. They have a one point or a zero point GPA and they're 18 and the school system is like, look, there's nothing you can do for us. There's nothing you need to be diverted. They'll come to us and we'll work with them via the same search that we had, providing the mental health, providing them the educational component, providing them the workforce development component to give them a track, to be able to find a way to success. And then it can also be middle school kids as well. So we've had a lot of middle school kids that we see that are we have three of these models throughout the state and the work with the middle school kids is as significant as important as the high schoolers. So that's that's that's the goal. That's where I was is middle-end school. Yeah. But backslakes places coming on what is the other one that we have out on six street? Not at the work you feel you feel some of these agencies you all are not working in collaboration with those folks at all. Not maps. I we have had you that apply to youth bill, but are you did not they didn't qualify somehow. Okay. All right. But see the Department of Education is not are they not responsible for paying for education of a child until the east of the right team are out of school? I mean, are they not required to do that? That part I can't answer. Okay, but see this is, you know, when they say, you know, if they were working with the public school system is what I'm trying to say. If there were some way that you could coordinate with the public school system, then they would funding would have to come, But have to come. And then you would have been additional, because it's a special needs population or high-risk population, that there would be other funding resources too. So maybe you guys could beat the bushes a little bit stronger to find out how you can collaborate. And you all haven't had many more than that at one time. you know, stronger, you know, to find out how you can collaborate because 14 and you all haven't had many more than that at one time. Have you? We have. How many? I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. I have like 35. At one time, and that's site. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes ma'am. Okay, well there's gotta be ways to address the needs of that population of kids. And what is the highest age right now, 21? Okay. Okay. Sue and Sue, that's what, who is it? You told me? The program you just told me. You could build it. You could build, we'll take kids at high too. And we also operate you through a programming. So we have not here in Gainesville throughout the state and out of the state, but we are always looking for ways to work with a community and partnership and collaboratively. So definitely there's a way that the board can help is by doing any introductory introductions, but definitely always looking for ways to partner. Please, yeah, because you all, there's strength in numbers and you all are doing really tough work, really tough work. And the more folks you all can get surrounding, you are working in combination with you, we'll make your job easier and you'll stay with it longer, to be able to keep you in there longer too. But, now it's a population I know in like the French kids are the ones I like working with too. And I just feel like that their resources, and I don't know the Baxley's place that they're trying, I think the Baxley's. Baxley's. Baxley's. trying to organize to get going through. That's another group of people that somehow you all are going to be sharing these kids. In a lot of ways, you'll be sharing these kids, especially if they're going down to the middle school. I think that's just places not so much focused on juvenile justice involved at one point. That's what we were. We were juvenile justice involved. But that's population that may end up. Yes, me. Okay, thank you. All right commissioner Prisya. Yeah, um, I guess I would like to ask that we if we can ask our I know Manager smart is here that we have you all connect with the Advisory board the task force whatever we're calling it. I can't, I can't keep track anymore of the coalition for gun violence that is developed. You've probably, I know you came to the summit, I know you are probably actively engaged with this conversation generally speaking, but it would be great to have an understanding from that coalition, what their recommendations are as regards to how your program is interfacing and integrating with our work around gun violence prevention and support for youth so that they don't end up recidivizing and continuing the cycle of violence because what we're seeing in our community is the kids that you're dealing with, they're the ones that keep getting in, they get out, they commit a crime, they go back in, they come out, they commit a crime, they go back in. I mean, that's what we're seeing. I the majority of us we have the list it's 600 in some odd youth under the age of 24 in this community that are committing the majority of these crimes We know that's the case so we know there's opportunities for change and investment But I think we really need to set some goals and some strategies around what that looks like and I know that you're Your work and the work you do is a part of that solution. So I would just ask that our team connect with you and you connect with them to talk with that advisory team that's really kind of putting together our strategic plan around gun violence for how the work you do fits into that puzzle. Particularly, the children's trust is a part of that conversation too. And secondarily, that you connect with our career source folks if you haven't because they have a lot of funding for those certifications and training and youth employment opportunities. You may have already done that but we have a new person there Chris who's great and I think can maybe think creatively about how to link you up with some of the WEOF funds or other monies that are flowing through our career source at the state level so I want to offer those two options for and you may have already taken advantage of both of those but you know. And I also want to say you know on top of that any if you see funding opportunities that require you know partnerships are working with the county. I think that you know we depending on the grant could provide letters of support. You know since you're working with children's trust, you're working with all these other folks. That's something that sometimes helps in the grant process. Absolutely, thank you. So let us know about those opportunities and ways that we can try to help. And thank you for coming and thank you for waiting so long. I'm sorry that you weren't there last Tuesday. It would have been great to hear from you. And I'm sorry there was a misunderstanding about the phones thing. We only take phone call minute 12 noon. And that was on the agenda. And we couldn't do it any differently. I'm so sorry. That's a little lean on problem. Thank you all for having us. Thank you. Thanks, Chaz. Is this nationally or is locally? That's national. That one is local. The first one is local. The back page is national. This is national. Do you have these numbers locally? Yes. We can. That'd be great. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. That was another Orthodox public comment we will continue forward with more orthodox public comment if anyone else would like to speak good afternoon everyone my name is LaSharda Leecee, so I'm an intergovernmental congressional affairs specialist for FEMA. As you all know, I've sent out introductory emails to introduce myself, so hello. But I officially want to get a chance to introduce myself in person as your point of contact. My main mission or goal is any citizen inquiries that you guys have come in. Specifically, let's just say someone needs assistance with they didn't get enough help from FEMA or how to apply for a FEMA assistance. Maybe something with their business as far as they need more coverage or their insurance was didn't provide enough coverage. So those would be deemed citizen inquiries. Typically, we want those to come from you all. I would be the person that's more behind the scenes, so I don't engage with the survivors as much. But as of August 28th, you guys are added on for DR4806. So if you want to go and look up anything as far as additional information and apply for individual assistance thing thing you can go there. It's just FEMA for 806. And I know I can talk and go on and on, but considering we have a minute and a half, I wanted to open up before for you all to ask any questions as far as maybe some of you didn't understand or just anything you want to know in general as far as what the process will look like. Is this, are you in touch with Jen? Yes, Jen is your EM. No, I'm not spoken with you. So, and you had again that something that's kind of different. My primary important contact with you guys, the electric officials. If you want me to go through your emergency manager and that's a preference, that is perfectly OK. If that's preferred, method is for us. I get citizens to call me. I send them a job. OK. And I'm really glad you're here. Thank you. And thank you for having me. Yeah. It's just a fairly new thing that family is good. We only did it with our money. Yes. And I think Mark has some things to ask. I know he's the one that gets out the information. So this is good. Yes. And Madam Chair, our emergency manager, Jen Grice, has had us push out a great deal of information about FEMA, particularly since the new designation that included Alachua County. So we have put out that information including phone numbers, websites, what individuals need to do, and I will give you my card. And anything I can do to help. Absolutely. All right, Commissioner Prisya, and don't worry, we're using up your time. No, no, it's perfectly okay. Yes, I guess I wanted to say thank you for being here. We really appreciate FEMA being stepping up into that sort of citizen engagement space and helping us have a conduit for how we can provide good responsiveness to our constituents because they certainly do feel the brunt of the storms and that sometimes they're left to sort of go, what now? So we really appreciate you being here. And I guess I for one would love to have her have a really connected relationship with Jen Greiss and with Mark so that as we see citizens comments on our social media or as people send us the complaints, we could, you know, just to collect those for us to from for different perspectives so that we can, you know, make sure that we're documenting everybody's damages and all of those sorts of things. So we really do utilize her office as a primary point of contact for all of our issues. And I think that would make a lot of sense. Yeah, but as I've been contacted by several people, not about this or a came, but about previous ones. And especially in certain neighborhoods where they felt like if they put in a claim, they weren't listened to as much as other neighborhoods when they put in a claim. And I know this is something that FEMA has dealt with in the past. And I serve on a national committee where we talk about these issues. And I really appreciate the fact that FEMA is changing their structure and is changing how they look at those things. So. Absolutely. We've had a lot of reforms as a March 24. and changing how they look at those things. So... Absolutely. We've had a lot of reforms as a March 24. Yes. So you guys may have a couple of people that come and ask more questions of like, hey, I still have damages from a previous hurricane. And the new damages are more focused on disasters that have happened after March. Right. is done, disasters that have happened after March. Right, and I, yeah, but the fact that we are going down this new path, I very much appreciate and I was curious how long it would take before I heard that presentation in DC and before I would see somebody on the ground and I have to say it's only been a few months, so that's really impressive. So thank you so much. Yeah. Do you live locally? No, I'm from Mississippi. Mississippi? And you're up in Lake City? No, I'm not. Oh, how long? You're staying in O'Callow. No, Calis, so I have four separate counties. Allatual, Lafayette, Levy, and Gil Chris. Okay, I'm tired. I'm tired. She's up, man. No, I'm just, so it's more of... You should be standing. Which area I be. You know that. Close to two. And I've gotten a chance to like drive, like ride around downtown because initially I came at 11. I'm just like, no, is it 1-3? I'm like, oh my goodness, okay. So I've got a chance to really survey the area and do a bit of camsign on my own and at least one portion of that you can expect to see a lot of DSA people here so that's disaster survivor assistance they go door to door and canvas the community and try to encourage as many people as possible to a lot. But I've got a chance to see you guys have a very beautiful lovely community. It's very clean. So that's it. Yeah, we do have a few neighborhoods that, you know, our collection after the hurricane really backed up all of our, because we had a lot of trees down. I think we set a record for that number of trees down in a lot of county. And we still have neighborhoods that have piled up trees waiting to be picked up. So you know this is all very useful and helpful and thank you. I met your compatriot up in Lake City so I didn't know if y'all were all staying in the same places or not. No wait we're kind of sprayed out and you maybe speaking about Gregory Avraili? No I can't think of her name. Well if we can get you hooked up with Jen, she can drive you to home. Absolutely. This is really good. And we can target the scene. Being much stronger. Living in Gainesville. Oh, staying in Gainesville. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't make a build back. No, no, no. I was just going to use it there. I can't them down there. They don't need them down there. Yeah, we'll ask them for bed tax from people. Thank you. Thank you, Jordan. We appreciate you being here. We really do. And I appreciate the work you're doing. I know. How long are you going need me and I'd love to schedule maybe one on one individual meetings with you guys just to get more of these specific dynamics of your districts and the needs of your district. I would love that. So the person to contact would be Latoya Gainey, her office is right over there and she will set up appointments with each of us. If you wait around just a few more minutes, we can facilitate that. OK. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Any more public comment? We've had more administrative comment and less public comment. But hello. Hello. Hello. Good afternoon again. I'm Brian Bischer from High Springs. My time is up already. I'm just starting it. So I want to thank and commend the commissioners for stepping in and Notifying the City of Elatua of affected party status relative to the Tera developments in the City of Elatua and specifically related to Mill Creek Sync. And so as you know that's adjacent to the Tera development and interestingly enough that same area was in front of the board nine years ago with the lawsuit and settlement for the Wal-Mart property, which was across from 441 And at that time the county's consultant Dr. Clark had this to say South of 441, which is where the Wal-Mart property was, is at least likely to impact the cave system The majority of this watershed is north. So if we stop now and don't consider the potential changes to the development and the watershed to the north, we're not completely protecting the system. So there's a lot more to be done. And then Commissioner Cornell, I believe you added, we have an opportunity to implement low impact design, source control standards and advanced storm water treatment strategies in environmentally sensitive areas, which could actually facilitate aquifer and springs recharge with clean storm water. So I thought that was brilliant. Thank you for sharing that. It's essential for the county to intervene now to protect the most significant ecological and geological feature in Alachua County, and that's Mill Creek Sink, Mill Creek and the associated wetlands. I think we can't forget about that whole watershed area is impacted with a lot of wetlands. And so the water quality for northern Alachua County is worth protecting and this is going to require more than the minimum standards. At the very least the county should require 150 foot or larger buffers for wetlands and geologic features and also should consider requiring wastewater treatment standards for stormwater runoff in order to effectively protect our water. The reason I'm requesting this is the die trace study results from 2005. And post on the county's website, those results show contaminants introduced at this location may take more than 150 days to clear out of Horn's B. Spring 8 miles away. And so that's going to impact that entire area. So thank you again for stepping in as an affected party. And a member of the National Speel Leological Society who owns the property of Mill Creek Sync and we're having a meeting this evening to discuss affected party status as well. Thank you, Brian. We have a few commissioners with questions, if you don't mind. Commissioner Prisya, first. I might as more of a statement. We have a few commissioners with questions if you don't mind. Commissioner Prizya first. Mine is more of a statement. I was made aware that there is another application right now for some stormwater facilities and the general vicinity as well that's going to be related to this. And so I know our staff is already on top of it, but just wanted to assure you that now that we're affected parties and I think we tried really hard to buy the property and had we been successful, it would be in conservation since we weren't. We certainly want to remain active and I know staff is on top of it and has sent the Alachua Commission a number of studies. I believe including the Dry Dye Tray Study and I think at least seven other studies about that area and the importance of it from a geological water quality and environmental standpoint. So those are something to keep your eyes out for if you haven't already. Great, thank you. Yeah, we, and I forgot to mention both of the affected party status letters that have been sent. And City of High Springs is also submitted and affected party status. Good. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. A commissioner Wheeler and the commissioner. Just a quick thought. That area up in there. At one time we were trying to figure out a way to get it to be a heritage site and I know that they're coming up now with a national, a label for national heritage site and I didn't know if that was something your group could initiate, you know, for that Springs area up in that area there. I know there's a lot of cave diving that's going on all in North Eastern, Northwestern, Florida. But there's a concentration of hours right here that we could maybe use your help or have you all initiate a movement to make that a national heritage site rather than a world heritage site. I think there's too much damage been done to it at this point. You know, the region to make it a world heritage site, maybe not. But I think for sure a national heritage site might be something that we could apply for. Are you talking about for pinkest and springs? The whole springs area, the whole region. Yeah, I have some thoughts about that too. And then might give us an opportunity to have a little more leverage for protections of the area. So the springs area, I mean, there's, I think, over 1,000 springs. Right. And that's the largest concentration of fresh water springs in the world, right? So that being said, you know, that was why I was going to try to work on the World Heritage Site. But I had heard from some of the other springs of the water people that I had worked with traditionally up here is that there probably been too much damage done to the water people that I had worked with traditionally up here is that there's probably been too much damage done to the water systems now that would it might not it may be that somebody's opinion but as a world heritage or a national heritage site for the springs area because it is the largest what concentration seems to me it's worth a try and your group might be you know a good one to initiate that. I'll bring that up this evening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. To the manager, we are getting an update from Mr. Hofstetter, which meeting? Second meeting in September. Second meeting in September. Thank you, Brian, for being here. Thanks for reminding us about Dr. Clark. All of that evidence that we put into the record nine years ago needs to be put into the record. And I know they're doing that and having a little bit of extra time is getting a lot of that back in. And I will tell you that from I guess when we had some citizens a couple of weeks ago really kind of get us up the speed. I'm ready for us to really engage at the highest levels and appreciate your work together. Thank you. Thank you. My comments are similar. I you know when I did projects in Marion County one of the things that we had to look at in Marion County was what they called a spring's protection zone. And if you were inside the spring's protection zone, there were a lot of different requirements with respect to storm water, with the kind of septic tank you were allowed to put in. And other standards as well that I feel like we ought to be considering at this point if this goes forward. I don't know whether that is something that we could do in this short of a time frame, but that's something I would like to ask Steve Hofstettler about is if we could institute a spring's protection zone for requiring a higher level of protection if development occurs in certain areas like this one where there is and you know and that we have something like that but we don't have what Marion County has. There's and that's what I would like to see is I would like to see what we have compared with what Marion County has because it changes the whole economic calculation for doing development and in a lot of ways that is a disincentive for dense development in places where it's not. Well that meaning we're supposed to get an update, a status, and then any potential recommendations from, I believe, both legal and other of where we go from here. Yeah, and that's, I don't know if they've thought about looking at that spring's protection area that they have around silver springs in. I mean, it's under the B map, right? Yeah, isn't it? Is it mean it's under the D map right? Yeah isn't it? Is it under that area under the D map? Yeah that's not a good enough that doesn't have to all the requirements that she's talking about is in like kind of like our strategic ecosystems I mean it would be considered a strategic ecosystem and it will be under those projections if it was under our comprehensive plan I believe this was already in the city of a lot, wasn't annexed after our effort to say, like we would have all the natural resources in the actions, right? So we're sort of stuck between a bit of water, but they have to follow our storm water and our wetlands. And our wetlands. Yeah, that's what I want to know what we can and can do. Right, yeah, because, you know, county stepped on a lot of feet when they made that requirement. I mean I think effectively for all of the ones that are in the unaccompanied area we have as just one that's in there that what we need to do is use the rules we do have and the... Yeah, I agree. But if we can anything we can do at this point to... Because they have... Yeah, no. If this goes through then they have phase two, phase three and all of that. Yeah. than they have Phase 2, Phase 3, and all of that. So anyway, all right. Thank you very much, Brian. Again, for being on it. Please go ahead quickly. One concern that I have is that they are very much piece-mealing this whole project. Absolutely. This project is so much bigger than just the tracks that are coming up. Yeah. And that's what I'm concerned about. And then I had one question, and that was what I'm concerned about. I'm seeing from that. And then I had one question and that was in the from the 2015 commissioners meeting and there's the basically approving the settlement. There was a discussion about enhancing the county's storm treatment, comprehensive storm treatment plan or system requirements. Was I haven't found anything related to that is that something that's been done I just need to look harder. No no I would answer I mean we have we have increased our stormwater requirements and our water quality protections with regards to things like what we allow but that's for the county's comprehensive plan and zoning so it's projects that would come through us not projects that would go through a city, we'll control the city's decisions about like landscaping or fertilizer, I mean, we do have a fertilizer ordinance that's county wide and in irrigation ordinance that's county wide. So there's not an overarching county water quality. No, we have to. There is, there is. There is. They have to meet our overarching stormwater water quality standards they can self report but they still have to meet our state and one of the things we'll be looking at is that self reporting yeah thank you thank you very much. Okay additional public comments. This is this is a banner day for discussions. Thank you Madam Chair Commissioner's Chamber Robbins. I'm gonna follow up on what Brian was saying and I'm gonna put a map on What is on? Thank you. So you were notified, I think, legally. So this is the area right here where all the dense housing that I put the map on before. OK, this is the latest, which is going in for a special exception on September 10th and on the meeting when there was supposed to be discussed and you guys didn't put the manager didn't put it on the agenda and said that she spoke with the City Velachua and it was going to be some time before the final plat came forward. Well I would like to know in that conversation with the City of Alachua did they volunteer that they had already prepared this legal notice for a September 10th meeting for a special exception because in my mind that really violates the intergovernmental coordination element of comprehensive planning and if the manager was in conversation with Alachua you'd think they might have said oh well the final plat hearing is not going to be happening for a couple of months. However, Madam Manager of the County, we are going to be advertising and sending you legal notice for a meeting that is going to be held next Tuesday. So that is a big one. That land right there is currently zone to agriculture. They want a special exception, As you can see for the storm order management and you have also requested status for that hearing as well. Thank you for doing that. A staff was on it when probably they got the legal notice the same day I did. So but I it's annoying if this count if the city of Alaska and a conversation with the county manager. I'd like her to clarify. Did they say, oh, by the way manager, there is a hearing on Tuesday, you might want to pay attention to. We're sending you legal notice. That is a violation of American governmental coordination in my mind. They should have volunteered that. To a point that was made previously. So back in November 11th and 2015, there was the hearing where the settlement was discussed. That is really informative if you all haven't gone back and listen to that conversation. Commissioner Cornell was there. Commissioner Byerley Hutchinson. Pinkinson was on there. And I think it was Chuck. I'm not sure. OK. So thank there, Commissioner Byerley Hutchinson, Pinkinson was on there, and I think it was Chuck. I'm not sure. Okay. So thank you Commissioner Cornel for voting against that settlement, and Commissioner Byerley did too, saying exactly, we are not, we are gonna be back here again. Okay, and here we are. And so Dr. Clark did say that the most important property is on the other side, the big 45 square mile watershed over there, that's a big deal. So a couple of things I'd like clarification on and since we're doing extra time these days, it seems to be, I appreciate it, is that on May, January 12th of 2015, Commissioner Byerly did move, and I'm going to enter one of these copies into the record. He had a three-part motion, third-part direct county staff to form a technical working group to facilitate the development and adoption of advanced pollution, prevention, and stormwater treatment standards to better protect the water quality of the Floridian aquifer and Santa Fe River Springs due to stormwater runoff from intensive land uses occurring or planned countywide or planned countywide. Participation would be encouraged by representatives of all interested municipal governments, Latchua County, Swany River Water Management District, Florida Department of Environmental Protection, Florida Department of Transportation, University of Florida, Florida Springs Institute, and other stakeholders as appropriate. I'm wanted to put this so that you guys can each have a copy of this, did this happen? And do we have those advanced pollution prevention and stormwater treatment standards established per Commissioner Byerle's motion in May 12th of 2015? That's one, and you know, to give me clarification, that should have happened. That would maybe help us today, okay? And it would have helped us with all the other developments that are happening all over the county and especially on the western part. There was a memo created by County Attorney Corbin Hanson on July 29, 2015, and it's titled Powers Afforded to a Lachua County Undercharter Amendment 1. And if you haven't seen this, I'm going to put this into the record too, and I'd like to ask if Mr. Corbin or the county attorney could weigh in whether or not this clarification is effective today because that's what you guys need to be very clear about. I believe is your powers afforded to you by the voters on Charter Amendment 1 to protect the water in this county. So this is a really important in my mind memo and I'd like disclareification at some point soon if it's still valid today if anything's changed. I don't think there's been any other charter amendments. And I think that's it. Again, thank you for stepping up. I was here in 2015 and some of you were also there too. And it is really, really important and I am grateful. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Revan. Do we have more public comment? Madam. Madam Manager? Yes, if I may. So when we come back the second meeting in September, Mr. Hofstetter will be addressing the spring's protection zone, the beam out issues. They will also discuss the Walmart issues, whatever we dealt with then. And to clarify on the one the stormwater code was not initially county-wide. We've updated the stormwater code, I think more actually more than once since that since 2015. I think we've done at least two at least twice But it's also now county wide and includes water quality standards which County wide which is a lot that came off of that Water quality off of that charter which we had comments about by civil engineers that our last meeting about our stringents or water requirements, Commissioner Cornell. So could I move that we ask our legal department to give us an update of what was just referred to on the May 12th Byerlie motion, as well as July 29th, 2015 Mr. Hanson motion. Mr. Hanson motion. Mr. Hanson memo. Mr. Hanson memo at that, at or before that September meeting. Second. The motion is second. Any further discussion from the board? My only comment is I remember as a very young commissioner that was May of 2015. I was elected in November of 2014, thinking that on this one, I would always watch Can Byrley Hutchinson and Pickison, and I used to have a comment when Lee and Mike are on the same page, okay, something's good, right? This was one where they were not on the same page. And I was on Commissioner Virley's page because of the concerns for water quality and Dr. Clark's really testimony and that lawsuit. We had a citizen send us an article that brought me right back and reminded me of all those discussions. So thank you for sending that. For those of you that weren't here, I just asked if you'd read through that article, that would get you kind of back to where we were. You were fighting the water fight at a different level. That was holding science up along the road. Yeah. And while it was nine years ago, it also was yesterday. It really was. And that settlement with Walmart, while three of us approved it, I was afraid that it wasn't global. And here we are. And it was really the catalyst for that charter amendment that the citizens really put into place to say, county, you are responsible for water quality around this county. Water flows from Nisvalli to Nisvalli County. This is your responsibility. So I take that responsibility seriously. I appreciate the folks that are engaging right now. I'm getting back up the speed on the many things that we're discussed way back when and I want us to be prepared to protect this water, because if we don't, it's gonna be our legacy. And that's my only statement. Thank you. Absolutely, Commissioner Prisya. Yeah, I am 100% agree with you, and I have to say thank you to the citizens and the community who are stepping up to remind us of the history and to educate me, although I watched a little bit of it. You know, I was young, I was in school and having a baby at that time of the day. So I was a little preoccupied. But I remember it well, and I remember being proud of our county for protecting our aquifer then. And I look forward to standing up for it now. But I will say this, I am so disappointed in the landowner and I'm so disappointed in the landowner and I'm so disappointed in the developer. I just want to say that for the record. Like they have an opportunity to protect one of the most important parts of our entire county. They have the opportunity for their legacy to be protection and coordination with our county and they're choosing, they're choosing development and making money over the well-being of our entire county and people beyond our county because this water ultimately reaches hundreds of thousands of Florian's all over this region. It's really just disappointing and it's another example of bad poor decision making by developers and landowners to not do the highest and best use. They had the opportunity to sell this to the county. We tried to buy it and instead this is where we're at. It's really disappointing and it's really just disheartening. Portions of the Florida aquifer goes far north into Georgia and all the way down underneath Cuba. Yeah. It's underneath Cuba. Yeah, that's not the far part. Well this part of the aquifer, the whole Florida aquifer is a huge, huge thing. And it's one of the most precious natural resources we have in the state. I'm just very quick. I've been talking to people recently about their water quality and how it has degraded over 50 years. People my age who remember having very wonderful good water to drink. Now all of a sudden they're having to buy the bottle water because they don't dare drink what it is they're seeing coming out of their faucets. So I don't know if there's anything that we are doing countywide to monitor these water, these wells, but I would like us to filter that into the conversation as we go forward. I know it's not always convenient for people to take a bottle of water somewhere. I don't know if there's, you know, how that's actually done, where they would take that water. The health department here. Yeah, I'm talking about people in the outlying areas too. Maybe there's some other way that we can have that water monitor closer to the sites. It's a huge issue because the main reason that we have water quality issues are nitrates and nitrates from fertilizer and some folks would say septic tanks. Those nitrates are very hard to take out of water in most settings, but that's there's crystal clear springs that I remember, springs that looked so clear, it looked like you could just reach down into that. That were 20 feet deep are gone and it's because of nitrates and the thing that is scary about them is that they are carcinogen and they can cause children to die if they're in high enough levels. What's up? It's also phosphates. Well, yeah, it's also phosphates, but the nitrate is a real huge concern. We're not phosphate limited here. We're sitting in the middle of limestone. And so when we do that, when you add the nitrates to the phosphate that's in the springs, it immediately turns to algae because those are the two elements of fertilizer. So, I would really like to see a collection place in each community and have somebody do the actual monitoring for the community water because I just feel like it's really awful that they're buying bottled water that's being taken right out of the springs here and put in plastic and they're buying that to replace the water that's being taken right out of the springs here and put in plastic and they're buying that to replace the water that should be coming out. Well that's a good education thing. Springs is, no, but people are afraid to drink it. If it looks bad, they don't want to drink it. And I just feel like with the increased agriculture or not so much agriculture, the increase in the development that we're seeing happening that somehow we are monitoring and maybe this is something for our water and our climate change committee to talk about. But it seems to me that we ought to be more engaged in monitoring the water, especially the well water that's being pulled out for people drinking in the rural areas. So, you're a huge issue. Well, and not in the municipal water. I don't know who is monitoring that, or if we've got a countywide monitor that we are using for that, I just don't know. I'm just gonna talk about that for a very long time. I don't think we need it. It's a good policy meeting. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying is that we need to have the discussion somewhere because the water needs to be monitored. All right. Motion. Yeah, we have a motion. We're still discussing and it's no time for public comment on the motion Thank you, Madam Chair and thank you for the motion. I support it And I just want to emphasize that not only did the voters was It was responded to it's that as a citizen of this community for Almost 30 years. I really trust my county government to step up when the smaller local governments are going to be negligent. And so I see it as the voters trust our county government and we gave you this power and we gave you this trust and said, please protect our water and And we know you have the resources to do it and the knowledge and to do it. So thank you. I just like to, if you haven't seen today, there's a really good article on WUFT's website. It's a really good article on this development. And I think it's titled, do we want back to back what this to be packed full with houses and it's a really good article it's comprehensive this journalist has been doing some some good research and so I hope you'll you'll check it out thank you thank you mr. province any further cut comment comment on the motion? All right, Commissioner Prisbee had to leave for a family reason. So we'll go ahead and vote all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Any post-likes fine? All right. Any further public comment? Okay we'll move on to Commissioner Comet. Do you have anything? I don't. All right, nothing. I just wanted to share something really quickly. I got back from Appalachian Kentucky Monday night. And at the Kentucky State Fair last week, they auctioned off a ham. It's what they do for their fundraising. And it's a country, I mean, it's country. It's cured. And it has got quite a pedigree this it was an 18 pound ham and it sold for 10 and a half million dollars. What? 10 and a half. Now the broadband ham they come from the Dueling family which is still my meat grew up with now. Broad bit been amount you know if it had been a villain ham, it had probably gotten 20 million. But it was a broadband ham. And of course that money goes. And I'm telling you, these are wealthy people in Kentucky who are showing off for each other, right? The same people who go down to Ocala with their horses and their industry. So there's money in this community, guys, if we can find a good broadband ham option off down here They'll know about it down here because they just spent 10 and a half million dollars for a ham as a fundraiser at the Kentucky State Fair So there you have it And then I spent the time in Appalachia too where they were chopping wood to get rid of for the winter. I'll just say in response to that when I worked at the Swanney River Power Plant, the guys there would buy the pig that won at their county fair, whatever the prize printed youth pig and usually would usually spend as much as $5,000 for that pick which was a lot of money for that kid or that program and they would have the whole thing ground up into sausage which we ate on Friday morning. Yes, yes. Anyway it was it was interesting that they did that but it was a tradition they'd done it for over 30 years. I don't know if there's anything we could auction off like that here but yeah I don't know. We've got some of these people who they've really really good beans. Such good beans. Anyway, do you wish your Cornell you look like you want to say something there? I'd just have a question. So when we were going through the phosphate thing we aside of some money in our legal fund reserves. What do we have in that account? I'll have to research that. That was the million that we put in. Yeah, could I just ask staff to send us an email so we know what that number is? Yeah, I'd like to know for a picture as well. Thank you. Oh, yeah. That's a whole other prop, which I wish we had some more folks here talking about that, but yeah. Thank you. All right. Well, if we have no further comments, we'll call this meeting adjourned. Thank you, everyone, for coming. We're participating and for your input. Can we sit at the table? and for your book. Can't miss it Apple.