There it is. She got it. Thank you Mercedes. Are you having a good day Mercedes? Doesn't seem like it. It quit up the leave and come back in on this one. It's been the 90s some Monday. I can't say that. Amen. Are you recording it? No because I think you have to end the meeting and log back in to get it to pick up the settings again She's recording it without the aid just recording it there Yeah, unless you want me to I mean I can record on here, but it won't have the transfer I'm confused what's the transcript? recording the program? So the meeting minutes to get them transcribed properly is taking a lot of time. So we were going to try and use like a software program instead of staying be having to try and like listen, type, listen, you know what I mean? So we were just trying something new because it's taking a lot of time. We still have to add it. You still have to go through it and compare the two, but at least it partially got like kind of like the dictation software. It's taking her too long to do it. Okay, so it is six and a half minutes. We will go ahead and call the Monday, March 17th, works up meeting to order. Can we have the Pledge of Allegiance please? Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, individual, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, next we have the approval of the minutes from March 3, 2025. I will, I did not get a chance to read through all of the pages. So I would like to table that to the next meeting for approval. Right. Anybody have any additions or corrections so they could get them corrected and registered? I do. When I'm reading this, if I'm not mistaken, the auditor when he was here, when he was presented, some of the things that he said regarding the audit that he did do, he did suggest that we do a forensic audit that was one of his suggestions. So I think that was the one after we came out of the closed. And I think that should have been mentioned in there. And it wasn't. That was that. And then this other one, were you saying that we were paying for bouncy houses for the spring fest? Was that what was being paid for out of the bicentennial account? I did offer that the bicentennial could probably do one. That's out of the bicentennial. But the bicentennial is through the historical society. They hold that account. The town doesn't hold that account. Okay, so that, no, because it says in here that the town was gonna purchase a bouncy house for a spring fest as well, was I asking? Or is it a donate or? I thought they got one free. I thought there was a company that was donate that was As answering one it says Mayor Abner said the town could pay for one of the bounty house through the bison tenio committee Would that not the town? Clarify or it's the bison tenio committee correct not the town yes And I have just a clarification really on its on page 5 during the conversation, the discussion about Councilwoman James and the speed cameras. It's something that you were attributed to seeing in the series is that the majority of the money goes to the state when we have our police department issue that tickets. I believe that all of the money goes to the state. Okay. Well, you're talking about when we issue regular tickets. If the $125 all of it goes to the state. Even a speeding ticket. That's why that- What I've always heard is that some of the money trickles back down to us, but that's behind the cheek and shoulders. I mean, I'm leaking. Yeah, but that's fine. No, that's fine. She's gas her, but I believe all of it goes to the scene. Well, yeah, you pay the state directly, but I always thought that some trickles back down to the down. Okay. Okay. Okay. Or fire fire. Yeah. Could you, can you read just to beat those those and then reason the back out and then if we could vote because I could voting on the next one? Yeah. And then the only other thing I had a question about too was in the beginning with the spring under old business parks and rights committee where we, where I had asked about how they were keeping track of their money that they raised. She gave us a response and I think that response should be recorded within the record as to how they're keeping track of the money just for historical purposes if we have an issue with how they keep their money we need to keep track of what they're how they are saying it. We'll hit that. But other than that, those were mine. Okay, next we have introduction of our new treasure. So Jamie has come to help us today with her first day and I will tell you that I think she's doing fabulous even on the first day. So she gave me a politics assignment. Thank you, Jamie. I appreciate that. Really, already like digging in and it's kind of all over the place which is how I felt too. So I think we'll be able to work well together and get some stuff right now. Great. Welcome. We're excited to have you. Appreciate you., next we have Jeff towers private property sewer line discussion Please step up to the microphone. Thank you State your name in your eyes. Please Jayne towers Jeff towers We got a 4H 21 Smith over That was work but we're here for the property of 201 burn Avenue Avenue only having my daughter, Jonathan. We're here to appeal the charge of $2,800 for sewer line repair. Jenna has been dealing with sewer and drain problems for the past four months. There's oil and in sewage coming up in the shower. The tour is not rushing and sewage overflowing out of the clean out in the yard, etc. This is happening due to the main line being clogged. Jeff got that line open and flowing two times once, while Jeff was working on clogging the pipe. Several neighbors told him that that previous entered had problems many times before. Jeff is a 35-year license plumber, and he diagnosed the problem with the street, which is the town's responsibility. Jeff contacted a bid on the Metro, I'm saying his name right. The town's water and sewage superintendent in January and February, and he jethed the line two times and got the pipe flowing. A bid said that since Jemma's house is the last house in the mine, it happens and for Jemma to flush the toilet several times after using it. Jeth did not agree with the bid so he ran into the camera to insert in the pipe since the town doesn't have one available. He called a bid to come to Jemma's house to see the camera results and confirm with a bid that the problem wasn't the stream and even to be fixed. The first week of March, a bid tried to jet the line out the third time but was not able to clear it due to the pipe in the corner collapsed. Jeff contacted, contacted Mercedes-Moyer and was told that the town of Fowburg does not have a manpower, equipment, or money to fix the fight. The next day, a big contact to Jeff and said, he called two contractors and they couldn't do anything for two weeks. A bit asked Jeff if he could repair the fight or if he knew anybody who was available as soon as possible. A bit said the price had to be under $5,000. Jeff contacted a couple companies and the underground construction companies from Denton lined up the work for the week of March 10th. Jeff called a bit to confirm and was told that Mr. Reuter was coming on Monday March 10th at 8 a.m. to start the job. Mr. Reuters start the job in the street and found the wrong type of pipe was used and was incorrectly installed all the way across the street to the manhole from previous town repairs. Mr. Reuters and a bid agreed the only way to repair it correctly because of the elevation of the storm drain and the water main was to raise up and replace the pipe in Jenner's yard. Jenner's 20 feet of pipe was the correct type of pipe, was installed correctly and was in good condition. Mr. Reuter and a bid to OJF, this pipe would have to be replaced and Jenner would be responsible to replace it and the cost would be $4,000. was in addition to the $5,000 Mr. Ruder was charged in the town of Felsburg. Jeff did not agree with the $4,000 charge but told them to go ahead and do what they had to do to make it right. Jeff left the property that he received a phone call from Mercedes that he needed to come signing paper and up the property that he received a phone call from Mercedes that he needed to come sign a paper and Jenna would be responsible for the extra 4,000 payment to the town of Fettlesburg. Or the town of Fettlesburg would put a lien on Jenna's house. A few minutes later, Jeff received a text from Mercedes that she had the paperwork ready and Jeff could come sign in and you could bring a check. About 30 minutes later, Jeff was on his way to sign the paper of the town office, so he's stopped by the property before he went to the town office. The $4,000 pipe was in the yard, replaced. He had been mine. This was done in 30 minutes. So in 30 minutes of labor, a $15 pipe was $4,000. As Jeff walked up to a bid, hopefully thinking he could get them to understand that nothing in the circumstances should be the humane responsibility. A bid in a very ugly, rude tone, told Jeff he didn't go sign that paper. The job would be shut down and the winner would be shut off. after a bid told Jeff this, he was then told by Mr. Ruder that he had no or the 100 minutes responsibility to $2,800. Jeff thought if he didn't sign the papers they would shut the job down and turn off Jim's water. Jeff left to go to the town office and sign the papers. Jeff has talked to several other town public works departments and contractors. They all agreed that the humaneur should not be responsible for the replacement of the pipe in the yard. Since the pipe was in perfect work and condition, to compensate for the town's pipe to be fixed correctly, when has this become the town's practice to shut someone's water off? Before they sign a paper saying they would pay the $20 million. Jenna has lived in the town of Feb. Burk since November 23. She has paid her water bill and property taxes. We feel that you are making her pay for the town's Feb. Burk not having any money. Nobody will want to live in this town. If the town keeps up these types of practices. Thank you. So can we have a copy of your account? This is something we can discuss in closed session. There's other history of the property. If we need to pull that up and any other personnel, it's just what I say. Yeah in the size of that. They've replaced in that pipe. There was really no other way to solve the problem. Replacing the pipe on your property. Just trying to make sure I understand. That leader was nothing wrong with it. Okay. And what they did, they needed to raise it up because of the storm ring. And all of my little kindergarten drawling there. Very healthy. Is this one the house you're talking about? Yes, ma'am. Before and after. You know, if they raise that pipe up, then they probably compromise the operation. They replace the whole pipe to be able to raise it up. They all agree it was the only option or replace the storm drain and the water main in the street. And that would have been, you know, that's out of question. You know, there was no other way to resolve the problem on the old part, which a bead and Mr. Rooter, you know, and I've been doing this for over 35 years. It was just the last repair that the town did was just teetotally the wrong pipe. You know, it was a thin wool pipe. When the ground settled, it collapsed, full of rocks busted. As you can see on the drawing on the floor, you can't run a dream on down, back up, over, back down. It's on work daily. Okay. Thank you for being here and the drawing we appreciate it. Yep. Do you want a bid to respond now or in the session? No, I would say probably close just in just so we can make sure that we have, I mean, we have their account and you guys took notes during the thing just to make sure. Okay. All right. We will take that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next we have Chesapeake utilities discussion of the franchise agreement. Hi there, Madam and Council members. I'm Dillow Bryan. I am an in-house lawyer with Chesapeake Utilities Corporation. My parent Craig here with me, he is a government relations manager. My office is up in Dover, Delaware. Perix is over in Salisbury. Thanks for having us tonight. What we're here for is the answering questions you have about this consent to assignment of our franchise agreement. I can go ahead and explain why we're asking for that. So, right now, test the utility's corporation. I can go ahead and explain why we're asking for that. So right now, Chesapeake Utilities Corporation has three different public utilities on the Eastern Shore Maryland. The one that serves your area is the Maryland Division of Chesapeake Utilities Corporation. other two are actually legal subsidies of Chesapeake Utilities Corporation. The other two are actually legal subsidies of Chesapeake Utilities Corporation, one sandpipe energy that serves Worcester County, and then one is Elton Gas Company that serves Cecil County. So we're doing an internal corporate reorganization where we're just bringing in those three Eastern short utilities into one legal entity. Nothing is going to change from an operational standpoint, but it would help us out as far as number of filings we do with the Public Service Commission instead of three we would do one for all the different types of filings we do there. These public utilities are highly regulated by the Public Service Commission, and in fact we have a proceeding going on over there right now where we're asking for their authority to transfer these franchises. And then we also have with you a request that you sign a consent to assign to franchise. So it would be going from Maryland Division of Chesapeake Utilities Corporation eventually to a company called Chesapeake Utilities of Maryland Inc. So as you can see, it's pretty close as far as the names go, but from a legal perspective it would be under a new corporate entity. And that's why we need the consent to assignment because we're assigning your franchise agreement with Chesapeake Utilities Corporation to what this entity is going to be eventually called Chesapeake utilities of Maryland Inc. And that's why we're here. Once last time, any work has been done by any of the utilities here? I, you know, we were trying to ask for any issues you might have before tonight. I don't have the operations folks with me, so I don't know, but we can certainly find out, and we can get your card and follow up. You know, the way it works is if there's a customer that we don't serve who wants service, you know, as long as we can put it in in an economic way, and we just put it in the line to serve the new customer. So it all depends on who's or when people ask us to hook up would be when we do work here. I did notice that we've got a franchise since I think 1966 here. And the one that we're asking to transfer was renewed in 2010 for 25 years. What happens if we don't renew? Well, this is actually a renewal. It's just a consent to assign it to a different one. If you don't consent to assign, just pull out the talk. I mean, it's really a courtesy that we're asking for this, because the franchise agreement itself doesn't require consent to a sign. So you need this chase to ask for the public service agreement? I mean, public service commission to move forward with the merger basically. We need their authority. Right. It's completely separate. Okay. I don't know if that's all for my request. Excuse me. Did you have a question? I have a question. I got a question. Just a big issue natural death, right? Yes. We don't have any of that nymphs down. So why should we sign it? And that agreement with you, we're not using your lines. Mr. Thomas, we do have natural gas in the town. It runs great by here. It's in the industrial park. There are gas lines. Everyone in the industrial park. Natural gas lines. That see it. Right, the industrial park is not in the town. That's correct, but the town, the industrial park is part of the town limits. So we do have some natural gas that run. Do you guys have any questions or issues? Councilor Midews. Now. Now. Now. Now. No. Is she Councilor Mideon? No. No. Okay. Yes, please. Thank you. Any questions for a critical? Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Just lost the course. Don't take out the help. I'm not going to miss it. My name will be blood. All right. questions for you to call. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Don't take out the help. My name will be mud. All right. It'd be getting a bill for the little elder. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Please, if you have any questions, please contact Eric. Thank you. I'll just read the request questions. Yeah. We appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Next, the Chamber of the Solar Project discussion. Good evening, Mayor and Council members. My name is Jesse Hammack and I'm going to turn to your represents the Commissioners of Cali County. I am outside Council of the Commissioners and I advise them with regard to a number of issues, including issues that the county is experiencing as a whole, regarding various solar applications heading in the county, one of which is the Chaberton solar application. And I have a couple of handouts that will help to show you where the property that issue is and why I'm here asking you for help and your acting talent manager specifically. So the Chaberton application applies, if I may approach that. Yes, please,. Ma'am. And this is taken directly from Chabberton's applications must be public service commission night. To the public service commission. Asking for permission to be located. Thank you. A solar project on what is referred to as the Pay-Har property, which is just north of the town of the limits of the town of Federalsburg. And I have one other, because I could have done these both the same time. That's one of the only things I would have had. I'm just like, welcome to my house. I do, it's good to see you. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome to my house. Thank you. Thank you. So the property, the pay hard property is actually right outside of the town of the Federal Department. Immediately to the north of the town and the reason we're seeking the town's assistance is because the property is zoned R1. And it is, if you look at the second, I've handed them all out, I hope that you can keep one for myself. The second hand out the large map that shows all of Caroline County. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks. You're welcome. Shows, you'll see in a couple of places, first of all, the bottom right hand corner, obviously, is your town. And right above that is the Pay Heart property, and you'll see that it is colored yellow, and that corresponds under the legend with R1 single family residential. And you may notice that it is the largest piece of R1 single family residential, the zone of property in close proximity to the town of Federal's Bird. Sir, yes, I've lost you on the map. Could you show them? So I'm here. Are you talking about this yellow area here? Right there. Okay. The main nonprofit. Okay, thank you. No, no, sorry. I'm tracking with you now. I'll talk about it around me if you have questions. I don't probably answer anything. So. So the reason why I'm here is because the commissioners oppose the application that Chaberton, Chaberton, sorry, has made. And the reason the commissioners oppose it is because R1 property in Caroline County is not zoned for solar. Literally every other zoning classification in the county does permit solar. R1 is the only one that does it. And the reason for that is because there's a limited amount of R1 zone property in the county. And there's even a further limited amount of R1 property that is in close proximity to public water and public sewer. And this property in particular on the north side of your town limits is along it's either an idle wild or a laral grove. I think it's laral grove is the road on the second map that's immediately to the south. It's at that intersection isn't it? Yes. Yes at Laurel. So you directly above the town limits is either Laurel Grove or Idle Wild. I think it's Laurel Grove. And then directly above that is the Payheart property. And Laurel Grove runs down the water in Townsour. And some of the properties that are immediately north of the town limits, residential parcels. And if you look at the second map, you can see all of the smaller, I'm going to walk up because I gave you. All of the smaller parcels that abide the road and surround the pay-har property are all residential properties. And all of these residential properties, because their zone to R1, are now looking at the prospect of viewing in their backyards 40 acres of well a 40 acre field with 20 plus acres of solar. Now that's more a concern of those individual residents who happen to be outside of the town boundaries so why am I here talking to the town of Federalist Burke. And the reason I'm here is because if the Public Service Commission approves this application, it would preclude this property from being residentially developed for the next 40 to 50 years. The lease on the property lasts for 30 years and there are five year renewals, four or five year renewals, which would put it at a 50 year lease that would lock solar on this property for 50 years per clue. years and there are five year renewals or five year renewals which would put it at a 50-year lease that would lock solar on this property for 50 years, including any residential growth to the north side of the town on this property in particular. We have filed the process is that the applicant, Chabrerton, files, what's called a CPCN application, a big black binder or something in my chair, 300 pages of information that they provide to the Public Service Commission, asking for permission to create a solar field on this residential, ex-owned property. Chabrerton knew before it made the application that this was zoned R1 and that the county opposed it. Chabrerton, as many other solar companies are doing across the state and really primarily right now on the eastern shore, this is a whole different issue. I'd love to get into if we had the time, but you all have a budget workshop tonight. I don't want to believe in the point is that they are disregarding the zone. Because there is this thing known as preemption in the state of Maryland where the state Supreme Court has ruled that the public service commission has preemptive rights over counties and municipalities when it comes to your zoning. So even though, for example, the town of Federal'sburg may zone something R1 within the town limits. And your planning commission and you, as the governing body, may decide we don't want solar in residential neighborhoods, because even though they call them solar farms, what they look like, industrial complexes, it's large pieces of metal and mirrors, we don't want that next to people's homes. Even though you may decide that, even though you may put that in your comprehensive plan, even though you may put that in your zoning ordinance, the State Supreme Court has said the Public Service Commission can override that if an applicant asks them to. The Public Service Commission doesn't have to overmide it. It can. What the Public Service Commission has to do is give due consideration, and that's the language from the statute, that the Public Service Commission uses to adjudicate these applications. They have to give due consideration to the planning and zoning and the input from the municipality and the county. I have the opportunity to talk to Ms. Borrier to discuss the planning and zoning on this parcel. It's or the ability for it to access public utilities and whether or not it is appropriate in the eyes of the town or in the eyes of the former director of planning or a planning administrator or your acting town manager to develop this for salt. And what the commissioners would like is the opportunity to present the information that Ms. Moria has shared with me. And our discussions regarding whether or not this site is appropriate for industrial grade solar development next to residential parts. Ms. Moria often would be happy, she actually has a background in solar as well, which helped to cut through some of the jargon. She knows all of the app, it's a body of law that is full of acronyms. Everything has an issue. And we would like to be able to present that we that county would like to be able to rely on information that she has and provide it to and you have and provide it to the public service commission so that the public service commission then has all of the facts in determining whether or not to put a solar field next to residences on the northern border of your town. And Ms. Boyer also said although I'm happy to do it I work at the pleasure of the council and the mayor. We want to make sure that the Council and the mayor are on board with her presenting, we call it, it's a little different, the Public Service Commission context testimony in a court proceeding. Typically is, you get called as a witness, you walk up, you raise your right hand, you spray on a Bible, then you go and you testify. In the Public Service Commission, it's all in the right. So the way the testimony would develop is we would set out a list of questions that we would have from Ms. Moyer, Ms. Moyer, and we would respond to those questions. That would be transcribed all at the county's expense, and provided to the Public Service Commission. And the Public Service Commission then has an opportunity to review that testimony, and to weigh the town's opinion, Ms. Moyer's input, as well as the county's opinion, regarding whether or not there should be solar on this problem. So in summary, the reason I'm here is to ask your permission to allow Ms. Moyer to work with the county to provide the Public Service Commission information regarding the suitability or frankly the lack of suitability of this particular property for solar. And with that, I'll stop talking and I'm answering any questions that you all may have. I have questions. Sure. How much time do you anticipate this taking out of Mercedes day? Because she's already wearing six to seven heads right now. She's already said to us that she's overwhelmed with a lot of the things that she's doing currently and she's training a new employee. So how much time would that take? Because this shouldn't take away from her day-to-day activities. I understand completely.'m at the concern of mine. Understood. Over the course of the next two months, which is when I would have to put the testimony together, the questions together, and get the answers from her, I would say two to three hours, over the next two to three months. Maybe a little more, maybe a little less, depending how much talking I do as opposed to how much talking is what you're done. There is the possibility, there is a public meeting, a second public meeting on this coming up in June. It's their evening meetings if she was inclined to appear that would be great. The public meetings are different than the testimony process. Right now, what I'm looking forward to just get written testimony to provide it to the Public Service Commission. So that's a kind of an option. You're going to the public meeting or not. And then there is the possibility at some point, six months in the future, if there's a hearing at the Public Service Commission, that we would ask Ms. Boyard to join us at the meeting at the Public Service Commission, and that would be an afternoon. Okay. And so on the route that you're talking about, the property, how many if any, none of the homes that border that property are within the town's pyramids, they're all county. So technically, it's nobody who has a vested interest in the actual town. It's other than you just asking us, hey, because this lays in your district, could you kind like do us a favor type thing? Yeah, well the answer to that is it's a little more complicated than that under the Public Service Commission rules the interested persons in a CPC and application from the government standpoint are the counties in which the applications are pending and any municipality that is within one mile of the location of the property. So the town of Federal's bird technically does have standing in the Public Service Commission process to take a position on this. The reason, I'm sorry. No, no, you're fine. I just have a question. The reason why Ms. Moir in particular is because it is, the R1 zoning is particular to the county. It really doesn't have as much to do with the town except that if the town wanted to expand by annexation or otherwise its limits to the north for purposes of growth, the only R1 residentially zone area to the north is this property. So it would foreclose your ability to do that for the next 30 to 50 years. And because the ability to develop that property, residential, residential is not only limited by the zoning, but also the access to public water and sewer. And the public water and sewer is the town. So the town is in the unique position of being able to say, number one, whether or not in the future in another iteration of your conference plan, whether it considers the north side of town to be a potential growth area. If this property is developed for solar, it would shut that down. And also whether or not this property has access to public utilities which would increase the ability to develop it residentially and those utilities are the town's utilities and not the cows. What's the benefits to have no solar panels there? Give me some benefits. If they were to put them there, what are the benefits? I mean, I understand people don't want to look at their women's e-solar panels. What are some benefits to them being there? Benefits to the solar panels being there. I'll put on my solar developer app. I'm not a solar developer. We're going to increase the amount of wattage gigawatts, kilowatts that we put into the system. I would add candidly, they're going to make a boatload of money by doing it. Except that, Chavarton-Chavarton does not actually develop these things. What they do is they get the lease from the property owner, they get the public service commissions approval, and then they sell a project to a third party. So the potential upside of this one parcel is that or this one development is that it would add two kilowatts to the overall grid that provides energy for the entire east coast. To the extent that you want to raise the level of the bay and you want to pour some buckets of water into the bay to do so, it's essentially the equivalent of doing that. There aren't electric lines that are run to the neighboring property owners. There are no electric lines that are going to be run to the town, for example. So the proximity of the town to this particular project is not going to have any kind of a direct economic benefit to the town or its residents. All it's going to do is preclude the town from potentially increasing its growth areas to the north and potentially annexing this property and this property being developed for residential purposes. Thank you. You're right. So I know the county prefers to have residential properties within a proximity of municipality so that they can then utilize those public, those utilities because they don't want to put in, nobody wants to put in any septic anywhere, right? So they would prefer that. And this would be one area that the county, we would be able to get a development there, annex that in, take that tax base, and then help them up to our health utilities, because that is the, because we have the capacity to waste water treatment plan, but the county would prefer that that's the land that gets developed. I just wanna make sure I understand the county's position. It is zone R1. The county has deemed this property to be developed for the highest density residential development that the county permits. And are we sure that our lines actually run to that because didn't we have someone coming here that there was questions about this same area one time before where he was trying to connect and he is conducting. Right. Yeah. But I'm saying he was where he is. He was right there on the line. That's correct. Yeah. That was right in that area. So that's why I was saying are we sure our pipes were in there because they cut all. So they run a floral grow road and there's a main junction there because that's where that Lou was when we had that water main break. Right. So remember where that break was, they could actually shut that Lou buff without impacting any water and sewer because it was kind of, it was a loop to keep the pipes clean. And you're sure that is on that specific side where if someone develops, it can tie into the town. You're sure about that. They would, they would be able to tie in but they would probably have to go under the road but they would get the night on the county side they would have to or whatever they like they would be willing to accept it. It runs on and it's so, yes, the sewer water life. would probably have to go in under the road but they would have to or whatever they like they run on so the sewer waterline on the road so I know people that live on the right side of the world and they've connected to our sewer okay it goes right up probably the middle of the road I don't know if the business that but they could but one yeah the one that's the one thing that's unique about this is that it has a little cut through. It looks like it already has a right away from the room to this property. Which map are you looking at? This one right here. The big one or the other? Yeah. Because I've looked at this because people call from from you about it. So that property. So you see that little right away there? That's right off Laurel Grove. So it leads to this property. Oh, that drive. Yeah. Yeah. This one right here. It looks like a little driveway. My My only concern with being that to preclude that from being developed, even though it's not part of town, it's part of county, right? And you chase them out of here, is that that's tax revenue that you wouldn't be getting from those solar panels, correct? It's tax revenue to the extent that there is any that the county would get, the county would not get from the solar cows. So to some degree, the county is taking this position not with standing financial benefits if it just allows the solar to go. It's just being a fallow field or whatever. Well, it's currently farmed by the Ula family and so it's not agricultural. it own, it is used agricultural, these own R1 residential. And I can tell you, Councilmember, there are literally hundreds of thousands of acres of property throughout Caroline County on the two main transmission lines that run through the county that are zone for solar, that we have encouraged this applicant repeatedly. Look at the literally 140,000 acres of other property that we have properly zoned for solar. That's in close proximity to these big lines that you can hook into. Why don't you consider these? And they don't respond this way, but what happens? And it's an interesting business model that these entities have. There are folks that go out and get options to lease farm land from farmers, promising extraordinary per acreage rental prices because of the amount that they can charge us as utility owners for the energy that's produced. And they get the options to lease this property, and then they take those options, and they go to the the solar companies and they say, look, I've got options on all of these properties in Caroline County, which one do you want? Where do you want to put the solar companies? Well, then look and see where it is most economically as any business would. What is most economically advantageous to them? What's closest to the line? What's going to be least expensive to develop. Where do we have to pay the cheapest amount of rent? Where are we likely to get the least amount of opposition and let's try to put it there? Oh, the zoning doesn't permit it. We've got preemption, we're going to ask for it anyway and hopefully the Public Service Commission will rule in our favor and disregard your zoning. And what we're really asking for is, you know, not somebody to charge up the hill. With us, that's my job. It's to allow Mercedes to give us additional information and to work with us to present that information to the Public Service Commission so that it has all of the information needed to make the right decision. I guess the other part, some might, my question would be, so we, as the town say, you know what, we were going to, we were going to let her speak to you guys, that we would be kind of put into a box, so saying, oh, they don't want solar, and meanwhile, there might be areas around us that could be developed, that they're like, you know what, the town doesn't want it, doesn't want it. So we're going to back away and then that's time to revenue that we wouldn't be able to get where the county wouldn't have to get, even if it is properly zoned. If we could discharge them from mowing over the entire eastern shore and putting solar panels on literally hundreds of thousands of acres, not just in Caroline County and Queen County. It was simple as opposed to one project. Believe me, most of the counties we do. I mean, I drive up and down the eastern shore for living. I mean, I've seen them. But I wouldn't want to look at gift horse in the mouth and I certainly wouldn't want to just push somebody out because they are looking to possibly invest. And to that point, we have multiple solar applications pending in Carole & County. And this is the only one we're opposed to. There's one that's 700 acres of farm land. It's less than 700 acres, the solar panels themselves. But it's on farm land. It's not our one-zone property. We have another one that we're actually working with the solar company because it's properly cited in the right zone to work with the property owners to make sure that the property owners are happy with the plan. Ultimately the solar companies come in, they make the application, they get the approval, they sell the project, they take them on and they leave. And the counties, the municipalities and the neighbors and the ones that are left to deal with the ramifications for the next 30 to 40 years. What it's going to look like, whether or not the vegetative buffer that they're supposed to build around these things, you know, I drive all over the East and shore for clients as well, and there are some solar fields where they do the right thing, and they do a good job. They properly screen it with trees, you don't know what's behind. And there's other ones where they don't. And the trees die so then you have the giant industrial complex surrounded by dead vegetation. It's just a question of where's the right place and the solar companies who are aware throughout Piroline County that there are literally hundreds of thousands I think it's 160,000 acres that is right for solar. There's roughly, I think 4,000 acres of R01 that's not. But frankly, they don't care about our zone as much as I think we should. Mr. Lee, do you feel like this is something that you can fit in your schedule? Yes. So one thing I want to clarify, or that I told Jesse was, I don't mind speaking about it. I don't mind doing it at your request, but it will be if I want to do it. Like, let's just, okay, just so we're clear. So that's what I told Jesse. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And he said, I understand. So I would never want to speak on behalf of the town without you saying it's OK, but I'm also my own person. I'll speak. So I do think, of course, I worked in a solar company for 10 years. So I do know the end-of-the-nast. And you did use some of the wrong terminology, just so you know. When you said two kilowatts, that's very small. That's like four panels. So I don't think that's what you meant. You probably meant megawall. But you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. I told you. Jailson, again. Then do now. That's like four panels. So I don't think that's what you meant you prime that megawatt, but Yeah I told you I think the project is three megawatts. Yeah, I did look it up. Yeah, no When you said two kilowatt's I was like that's like four panels like that's not gonna do that much better You did look at also the comp plan So this is in between I also explained adjusting adjusting that. Right now, the town is in a position to just freely annex. It would be if a developer came to that location and asked annexed us. So I also am an honest person. So I would be very honest about the situation. So I do understand what Jesse, and I think I talked too Leslie too about it. and it was like they under the fan, they understand that too, like the situation. So I do understand with Jesse and I think I talked to Leslie too about it. And it was like they on the fan understand that too. Like the town without be promising to annex it in. We don't do that. We don't usually annexers come to us. We don't chase them, you know, but we're in a very peculiar situation. We do need to work on our comp plan. It is in like a fuzzy area in between two areas that's in the current comp plan so it could be added in. It does have that right-of-way access to the road or water. So you know what I mean? So this I think was the one that I responded back that it wasn't in town. Lemons what is it having anything to do with us? So he did explain because it's within a mile of tenels. So I understand, but like I said, it's up to you. I don't, and I know Ian, like the solar thing, I understand that too. The solar companies I work for, we didn't do farms. We did solar on farms to cover electric usage. This is an investment thing. So even if they tell you that it would be community solar, if the next investor wants to sell the solar somewhere else, then that's where you go. I will say in Maryland right now to aggregate, it can only be the government's nonprofits and farmland. So you can't necessarily aggregate to like dark, but you can't you can't aggregate commercial to commercial. So they all, Amarie Landonley allows agriculture, government and nonprofits to aggregate. So it'd be similar to our solar system. We put one out in the field and then that power gets transferred back to our bills. So this would be the similar situation. So there's only certain things that are able to use this form. So I want to make that clear too. It's not like for Pepsi. It would have to be either agricultural, nonprofit, or government. So like the great big huge one on four or four I think is the job. Or I don't know, essentially community solar, but I don't know if that's true either. What I'm saying is this may not end up being what you think it is even if they tell you today because it would all depend on what an investor wants to do with it. And we don't know who the ultimate investor will be. A lot of these companies, and it is their business model that they will get the permits. There are developers of property for residential purposes that do the same thing. They get the permits, they get the permission and then they sell it to someone. Which can try to maximize the property on the property. Do you have any questions? So do you want to do that? I know you're saying if it's okay with us, is this something that you're comfortable with doing with all of the other stuff that you're going on and that the stuff that we're requiring of you to get done is not going to be pushed to the back burner for this because this is like last low on the totem pole. That's time. Okay. Why not talk to Jesse? He's understead. I'm like Jesse, I'd like 15 minutes. I don't have much time. No, she's, she's, she's, she's timely. She's timely, that's the only thing the one doing the majority that have you lifting. It will be your savings that say, yes, I agree with that, no, I don't. No, I don't. Here's what we need to tweak because these are my words. And that yours, yes, I agree with that. No, I don't. No, I don't. Here's what we need to tweak because these are my words enough. Yours, Jess. So I'll be doing the heavy lifting, but ultimately she's hurt to say, yeah, you're that. And if you have any other questions, you think of me? I am an expert at solar. So I do know the terminology of different things. So I appreciate that knowledge. OK, so can I have a motion to allow Mercedes to participate with the county discussion with the for the traprates in solar project. I will make a motion to allow we're saying this lawyer to participate in the county's discussions with the tabernacle or phone. Second. All is in favor. Aye. Aye. All is opposed. Okay, Mr. Stady, you can have your expertise. Thank you, Mercedes. Thank you. Thank you very much, and I apologize for taking up so much. Thank you. Thanks for the information in the handouts. I'm glad you're here. And if you all have any questions on me, please feel free to send them to Mercedes and I'll answer them as soon as I can. Thank you, goodnight. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, next we have Ms. Allou's team for discussion for the Haitian flag festival. For Haitian flag festival. For Haitian flag day. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Yes, my name is Aruj-Jane. I didn't pronounce that for like 20 years now. But I'm for Chest and Moussey. We give free services for all clients. We serve in the community. I do Chota Nazarim. which we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, our clients, we serve in the community at the Chatham Nazarine, three days a week, Monday was the third day for any kind of services they need for the immigration status, we have the app line for one color, and we saw the immigrant then go and discount. We feel like we need to accelerate last year. I was here, but because of the weather, it was already there that Saturday didn't happen. I'm gonna give you guys some flyer. You can look at it. I only have two to give you. You can check it. I would like to have your pen and use the show guest park on May 17th this year for the Asian flood days. We will have drag food, abusive dance and so maybe some one for tickets too. Can I ask a question? What part of Chambers Park are you looking to utilize? I'm looking into the field and the thought, not the building. So like the football field or where they had the community resource day, I'm just trying to make sure that I understand. The fourth way they have the community resource day. The first way they have the resource day along the way. And play ground. We can put 10 units of building on the front of the building. Do we have that building right there? Yes, it's just what the desk is. So are you going to be cooking on the grills? Or are you going to have fillet trucks or which one to advise some food truck? Mm-hmm. But not cooking the grill. Some people maybe cook it outside but not grill. Okay. Is there plans to rent port Pilates? There won't be any restrooms available. Yes, ported parties. Okay. That's always important. Would you have to fill out the park rental form? I thought I'd wrap some work there. Yes, yes. What we said I asked her to come was because normally the park rental form is for the arena. Right. So I asked her to come to use specifically. We would have her fill out the form like anyone else. But I did think because it was a part that we normally don't abuse the form for that she needed permission from you. So I asked her to come. I think we did discuss adding that. I thought we did just so we knew. I thought the modified version of it was a bit of change. I thought it did also change. I thought it was supposed to have been added. Yeah. We can I can check on that. But the way I always thought it was in it's mainland. So she had called I spoke with her and asked if she might have come in. It's like an end to your permission. She would still need to fill out the form. Is it a charge to? It's not. I think it was like $50. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to. Yeah. Um, and he's one little profit of organization. Um, so I don't think non-profits normally did get a charge, but let me clarify that because I'm gonna make sure we do it right and not just what it was previously done. So I'm just blocking up the building rental. So nobody could rent a lion's hall because that's where they would do their parking and their other festivities. So I'll block it off so that we don't rent that building. So that you have the whole park and whatever you want to do up around in that area. I'll just block off the building. Story you an agreement? It's okay. She feels out the form to. Okay. Great. Look in forward to it. Look in forward to your food. Yeah. Share pictures with Mercedes to put on the Facebook page. Oh, I was telling her to share the pictures from the event. All right. Okay. Okay. Oh, my God. You have it? Yes. We know that we included it. I think I'm sorry. Excuse me, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's all right. For the record, my name is Sue Simmons. I live at 25359. Moved, Poemplained in Greensboro, Maryland. I am a recovering local government employee for a long time. I got to be the recreation and parks, the Department of Yes, the repender for many, many years. And what I'm involved with right now is lots of things. I didn't really retire. I just got rewired. But I have been serving for the last couple of years on a coalition of leaders through, from throughout the Eastern Shore, the Maryland Eastern Shore Trail Network. We did get a National Park Service Grant, which was basically in kind support. I call it trail strategic planning therapy was what it really was. It was sort of a national park service coach that helped us conceptualize the value and importance of trail development, not just within our parks, but two different assets. And so we're collaborating on that. What I would invite, your consideration of, is a proclamation to be signed honor before April 26th. I shared an example of the proclamation that your neighbors, the town of Preston, have done. I know that the town of Ridgeley as well as Denton still working on Greensboro, but I'd love to adapt to this language with your savings. I'll take care of that. And perhaps it's something you all would consider signing April 26th is a national trails celebration of trails day, just levels awareness. Less you think that this pretty publication indicates that we have money. All trail development really does get leveraged with transportation and park service funding, that type of a thing. And you know, one of the things that this coalition from as high up as Kent County and as far down as Rooster and Somerset County, we are, there's great diversity in the leadership and experience ranks of looking at this vision and working on a micro level as well as a macro level to continue to connect people with Eastern Shore and through trails and its value. and its value. So, happy to answer any questions? Yeah, I have a question. Yeah. So, there's a bunch of trails all the way through Ottawa. So, is there like, it would be nice if that actually connected to our bike trails and I know back there you're either walking or using a dirt bike. I mean like a mountain bike, not dirt bike, a mountain bike. But it would be nice if that would connect to our paved and walking trail. Yeah, it really would wouldn't it? And I think one of the things that we're we're really interested in convening another a work session probably in early November. It will probably be at Chesapeake College. That's sort of how this coalition got started. But one of the things that we probably ought to look at is what is the town's internal strategic plan? As you're doing the comprehensive plan, you're getting ready. Maybe that's one of the things that you want to take a look at. Remember I think 10 years ago when we were talking about federal's birth being walkable and looking at sidewalks and looking at ways how do people navigate? And I think that's one thing, but also, just as the assets that you've already said, which is, I mean, if I were to wave my magic wand, when I was active as an active volunteer in the past in this town, it would be, where do we, how do we get people on moral growth when we used to run an after school program and we would literally shut, you know, look traffic down so that kids could walk safely back to rural grow acres. What are the, what's the pedestrian pathway that we can create that gets people from those outlining communities back into town? That's an equity issue. That's not everybody can move with cars. They want to use their feet, it's health. They want to use their bicycles. You know, some I'm used to do long distance cycling when I was much younger too. And some of these roads, know not with so you know so those are things mayor that we probably ought to look at and if there was a way when you all are ready to wrestle with those chapters of your comprehensive plan or that because when you are leveraging other people's money, you want to have the public process, you want to document that this isn't just a thought bubble, this is something that you've documented, you've recognized and how this network, this coalition can help with that. We certainly want to be in a position to help you untangle that for sure. But in the short term, would you consider a motion to continue to work with Mercedes to refine this proclamation? If they could get it in front of you of you and come back and read it and maybe you could sign it. There's something. Mercedes, how much is this on your workload? Because you're just adding it. I mean, actually, I've missed this part. I've heard it was a proclamation. Yeah. Can you repeat what the proclamation of is of? Oh, it is basically a proclamation to celebrate trails day. And it's simply recognized the value of trails. And I would modify, I shared what the town of Preston had done. I would modify that tailor that through the Miracles of Technology, I would just modify that and submit it to you all. And it doesn't have to impinge on your work going on. So when you're modifying it, could you put the amount of trails that are in auto wall and what we have for bike trails just so sure people, I mean, just so this way when we do the proclamation,, it advertises what we have as a town. Because I think AutoAlt's kind of a little kept secret that a lot of people don't really know about. You are absolutely right. So one of the things that we'll one include in our description here is, what is the trail network within the incorporated town limits? And I'm sure I have that information. Ottawa isn't in town. It is, and it's a state, but it's not. It's a catch to us. It's a federal forecast. It's a federal forecast. But it actually is a state. But you specifically said town limits. So I want to make sure I clear on on. No, we do know a trail in town limits. But all of us not in town limits. But I think in all honesty, a celebration of trails proclamation is as aspirational as it is reflecting what do we have. The town already has a valued investment in the trails. already have made an effort to make some of those connections. You know, that's good. That's that I think is represented. I think that's a beacon for other jurisdictions to emulate. So, but yeah. I have no problem making those modifications and getting that to you. Your next meeting is in April? Yes, do we have one in April seven? In April 20th. Okay. So if you wanted to try and get the April seven, one, the bet. Okay. The bet. No problem. And you'll just send it to me and I can review it and then hold. Okay. you one that Or you'll just send it to me I can review it and then roll around you guys go with supporting that Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No, boss Yes. I have a travel photo wall where I go around the trails and record videos. Yeah, I was supposed to. Easy. Yeah. Alright, next we have Supervisor Reports. Eric? Eric. Wake up, man. You're doing good. You must keep it up for our day to day, but we've got some plans we're going to want. Once they like a past minute for us, I can start tearing up the road. And Peyton, the machine, the latest asphalt, we're off to the 751 out of the front of the month. Cost of asphalt I'm working on, it's a millimeter's asphalt, so I I guess we're gonna pick a road that's free bad and we're gonna go with it green ridge that's what I'm thinking unless it needs to be plumbing so I'm gonna go and get one more go way up you did a nice patch on our lines I saw that there's three big photo little instant the past hair is the lines was for three years of So trip. That's the whole conflict. So, and there's a fight underneath. So, I didn't want to start chiseling away at it, and then we wanted to go to the nation. So I kind of raised it up a little bit. It's not perfect, but I mean, it's better than what was there. Yes, what can you do on the central? What can what can you do on central? We want to be central for that bridge is after the bridge where you got to play go You got to get around the pot holes are you gonna bust your tires open? Well, we're feeling this faster coming back. I mean, it's I think we're always a lot more money in cold packs Patch it of just one day, just shut half a down and ripping it up. I mean, I mean, every way is going to take the time I wanted to see our six or five to one degree. So you're going to have about a two inch lit on each side from one end, from the bridge, until you get to the top, would intersect with a tease. So if we rip half that brood off get it set, people can drive one it. Then we have to rip the other half off because I can't lay fresh asphalt on asphalt that is bad. It's not the whole it's going to peel it off as people run over. So that burns a little bit more here because there's a lot of traffic on it.'s kind of... If I get traffic into a record, there's only three of us. So, amidst size, when I had some guys over there, I don't have to help you with traffic control. And it's an hour of reading. So, everybody has to be extremely careful. As we carry it off. So police couldn't give you assistance with the traffic? They could. Call me. I'll help. I mean, just trying to get a handle on it is the biggest thing. I know we had a gang plan in our midst of the between everything. We have two bridging on flags out by BW. They have to be done. So we're making that I think for safety's only by the last year of getting them done. It's just kind of springy too cold and we got it wrong trying to get everything done. We got to go to cold pepper for the wood because it's a a rain grain wood because of a water. The loads don't really have the end two years you're making places. So if you're putting rain grain wood in there, you're going to have to last another 10. So we have a game playing with that. Terran has stuff out. You should be able to do a bridge with that. It should be too terrible. I had a question. So I like the way you think and I like the way you work in. Is there a way that you can put your game plan and writing with possible, with your estimates for one? Yes, it's my life to work on now. And submit it and let us let the council see what it is and give us a possible timeline start to finish that we can see where you're going with this because in Pes we just hear a lot of words a lot of viruses and it never comes to fruition he leaves back to the army he's actually cooking his time because I don't have a He does, he does for a little. So he's going to donate his time to show me how to operate. So I think that's like a plus. He's been doing it for like 15 years. I appreciate that. So I got vacation, I got to burn probably before he gets re-listed back in the end of the slide. So he's like just letting you know. But it's a little bit, and other things, we have one dumb truck down. Hopefully this will be fixed. I'm hoping. I don't have time to ask for the consequences. We got a lot going on. So we only have one dumb truck. In order to do this, to keep things moving, we might have to, I used to drop trucks on how to know miles and rates on getting asphalt from, I believe it's a dull one. Alamir is like a dull one. He's the cheapest out of all the asphalt plants around as Alamir just been pretty good. I think it's about 51, 61 dollars a ton, since it's not terrible, because I know in other places I call it's 111. So they worked with us for years, I'm a sin. We have to get in trouble from there to there, it's probably going to be for trouble to So I might have to be an outside contractor. I'll talk to a couple guys that I know if they're willing to do it and try to figure out a rate and a price and I'll put everything together. It's kind of like multiple different things I got to put together. There's machines 7500 for the month. Then you have a drop off, pick up, clean in, feed and all that. All been casting, all the one in this area that doesn't, that will let us even wrench. So I got to see what their stipulation is. I'm like, how we have to return it, make sure it's clean, what feed they charge to drop it off. You don't have these equipment to equipment to pick it up. You need to go home. All right. Yeah. I think the issue would stop sign. What signs up? I want to thank you. We're trying to put the bars in a lot of traffic so we kind of gloom something down on the ground just to do something visible. Did put the four ways in. I have new signs. They actually had it because of me. It says new one and then another sign that is coming up. It shows a yellow arrow that stops on before the sign even comes in. So hopefully this week they coming. Okay, because they're still not paying attention. Oh, I know. You see them? I have. Yeah, I'm out of them. I went out there just to check one day and I'm just watching them. Yeah. I mean, it's a stop sign. I mean, I can't force you. No, you can. But at least they can't come back and say, well, the town with these stop signs that they didn't give us any notification, those signs to say it's, you know, who signs or anything like that. I know. It's a great job. I said, well, I have to go through the story of the day. I said, oh the stop signs are up. I didn't notice that they were nice and shiny The Culpepper do we want to see if they can donate the wood and we would put a sponsor ship sign on those bridges that says new bridges sponsored by Call Pepper of Federal's Bird. We need you one floor. That's it, whatever. Well, yeah, because they have the parts metal. But whatever, I'll hang a sign on it. Call Pepper's well and they donate the wood. We wanted to use their name. Yeah, call pepper's willing to donate the wood. Tell them we'll put our sponsorship somewhere. I don't know how you've been able to get hold of Team 718 very busy this time of year and a lot of stuff. Right. I know I got fame that worked there, Brian used to work there. Right. So, I mean, it is the closest place to get that. I mean, I can support the community and we can give them the credit. We are happy to have them take a picture for community donation. Anyway, we can cut crops. Cust. We'd be greatly appreciated. Yep. Well, I'm hoping pay you in the room. It's all so you're going to cut your half to a third and have somebody else come back and do. Absolutely. So it's kind of like, but I got a real what's underneath the roof. I think me, you guys might not talk about that, but there's a lot of sand. It's got a lot of sand. So there you got to see your sits. You have to... So it's kind of like, but I gotta know what's underneath the brick. I think maybe you guys might talk about that. There's a lot of sand that's got to be made. So there you got to see our sets. You have to put in which it's not terrible. It's 30-hour ton. But I put it, I think the last one we got, I put it on my account through AMH. Of course, it's gonna cost you 30-six-hour ton. Because it's somebody do they don't know so it's kind of like Where you guys will previously get it it's we seven dollars a time so it's kind of like do I have to talk to them get it and they we seven dollars a ton of I can go right somewhere close to where you're in Brisbane you pick it off your third yeah I like that up so much better can we is a possible to get a trash can behind Al Odenten Road behind the church? Everybody is that loop that we have, that walking loop. Everybody is fishing. There was when I walked the dog along there and I just carrying my foot back to the next trash can but there are a ton of people that are now back there fishing. There was five of them the other morning when I walked. So I just, yes, it's nice of people don't have to take their trust, but I want people to leave their trash because we do the river clean up. But I think if we give them a trash can right where they park, I think that would be there used to be, but it's going. And there used to be a trash can, which I don't know why it got taken away. There was a trash can on the walking path right as you cross underneath of the railroad bridge. There used to be a trash can attached to that pole. That disappeared. I mean it was chained down so I don't know if it was taken away for winter and just never put back. But that's another place where people walk the loop. And then if we want to encourage people to pick up their dog, who then they literally, if you get to that point, you are holding it till you get to closer to the pump station. So it's just an easy junction and a lot of people fish there. So a lot of people sit under the bridge and fish and leave cans and trash along the river because it's a free fishing area. So I think those are two places we could definitely use a trash can of the weather's breaking and people are out and about. That's a heavily traveled walking path to the quartz to the marina. I think those are two. And I mean, if you want, I can type both both of those up just send me an email reminder if that's easier Um, do you want like what we have around town or you just want like a regular trash? You can just put like whatever's easier for you guys if you want to do a regular trash Give them a trash bag in it so it's easier for you to dump. I mean that's easier I don't know that we have anything left in a pole or that you could you know I think we have one. I think it's like, yo. Whatever's easier for you guys. I mean, there is a place where you can chain both of them down. or that you could, you know. I think we have one. Okay. I think it's like, whatever's easier for you guys, I mean, there is a place where you can chain both of them down so nobody then ends up with a free trash can. Yeah. So you can chain both of them down, whatever's easier for you guys to come back by and pick up. And I mean, if you, I guess put it back in it, I guess that's probably the easiest for the older cans. I don't know if we have bags that fit those. But... And I mean, if you put a bag in it, I guess that's probably the easiest for the older cans. I don't know if we have bags that fit those. But. We have 40 or 50 now. I can't have a room. Yeah, I don't know. But at least having the trash cans that are I think would be helpful with people out and about and know what the weather breaking. So. Thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you. Next we have a bid. Hi. Hi. First, I'm going to go to the press tomorrow and tell them I'm happy to notice that anything We're going to do that in closed session. So are you be want to walk around with that. Like, exactly, just don't leave. They're gonna do that in close session. So are you be able to stay till the end of the meeting? Yes. Okay. If you don't mind, we'll just talk about that then. Okay. If that's okay. Yeah, that's, I mean, I'm on the show. We are going to be there, so I said, happy to answer anything what I would. Yeah, thank you. Okay, thank you. Second thing, I mean nothing nothing special since this month's just maintenance and regulatory routine stuff. I was going to talk little bit about the institution that we have the closed session. You want to do it? Yeah. So specific to that situation, let's save it for the closed session. So, but you have other stuff you can talk about? No, I mean, we, couple of things we were able to complete. We were able to back to new pumps for the Brooklyn pump station, which I talked to them. Last week, they had to schedule a call and then to install a new panel. That's going to be almost like a whole day job. So we probably, we'll end up with calling some hollow to be able to sit on that palm station while we are installing the new plant and cleaning and then we have to do that. So I'm not sure what is going to be next week or week, but it's going to happen. It's not different on the live. And when they are able to do it, we, on how side we have, I think, a lot of them ask to say. Whole life, home station, we have time, but there is issue. I guess now the thing is, I don't I mean when the build is punctuation your chapter was not there, your old palm was not there, no if I'm not wrong, blah blah blah is coming there so that's gonna be a potential issue because that is the small station and the pump is towards line. So we need a bigger, like a conversation, we will do and a lot better. But I mean, it's not like we can do it. It has to work through somebody and it's hard other big project. It's not like a small project. But I'm just like, you know,, if you hear something, we are like our clogging up like every other day, every other day, every third day, we are going there probably to like something, say time, or week to put that pump up clean and put it out. A big problem is grease. It's coming from, that's from a Chinese restaurant, food line, where we try to talk to them. It's not healthy now. I mean's what I'm told on where we're talking to them. It's not healthy now. I mean, whenever you go there, they're on the facts. Who's that building? So is it just food line? Oh, I'm sorry. No, I didn't know because I didn't know if it's just food liner. If it's also royal farms or if there's multiple things feeding into there that we need to contract multiple people up there. It's coming in a lot. That was the weird thing. But shouldn't they have a greased track for all those restaurants? To be honest with you, the thing is if you are a restaurant owner or something you have in a certain time, which basically nobody nobody's doing. But the thing, my thing is, if someone owns that building, whether it be food line or whoever, or a relative or whoever, they need to be made known that, look at how many hours our staff is putting up there. We're putting man hours plus whatever materials we're using to unclog that, because their tenants or whoever is doing what they're supposed to do so they need to get their tenants in check. Or they made a good point so it could be all of them because I think the connection back there isn't that intersection. Well, whoever it is, I think they should get a bill. Definitely, yes, but who is sitting there? But if you see the pump station where it's falling and you just see the breeze So that means this is coming from somewhere When we go back, I mean when this bridge is still here, I mean way back I guess a month ago Or like a town Bombries is finished well and it put the stop signs And we check their line and we tell them like it's not on sound but because it's backing up and it's backing up and it's coming out so we don't have a choice to just sit it there so right now we are jetting your line but the problem is you can see and that I talked to the manager of the hood lock. I totally like look at this grease have this green strap and his full food and his overflowing and his overflowing to the system. So believe me or not, I waited him for five minutes to show him exactly what's going on because he didn't come and all like, we were peeped and he said, no, I said, okay, next time we are not coming here to get you a line. We give you help because it was coming on the road. So next day somebody will come there like, oh, the road up, the ship. So we did it, but at least we are telling you and you know what is the issue you need to freeze that. Okay, so do we have a log of every time we've been out there? Do we have pictures? I'll be honest with you, this is the first effort of it. So my letter of writing skills are pretty fabulous. So a bit and I can talk about this and I'll send every business in a five block radius a letter about this. Like, yeah, but I've never heard this. He said this before. Yeah, we have. We know this. They've been put on more knives. I think after your letter, meetings he has. Yes, after your letter, I think they need to go letter from the attorney. After your letter, like if there's no action, right? It's in the log. Every time we've been up there and had to clean that out, and it's not our job to clean it out, we're doing it because we're preventing something a problem down the road. So then do you think it's specific to the Thibalian Shopping Center? I'm Martin. Chinese too. Well, I'm at the center. Yes, yes. You can also look to see work with the Department of the Department of Environment at the Maryland State, you know, the health department, because part of maintaining that your food code is to make sure that you have a properly working and probably emptying your grease trap and you know put that in there so you're going to get the equipment in there. Thank you I'm not sure because one day morning I think it was afternoon so the light come on and I went there right and then we took the picture and it was pulled down which flashed down and we sent to Miss Christi and I'm not sure she sent to somebody in the L. Department. Yeah. And somebody said like they would come and talk to them but I'm not sure what happened. Oh there should be a record of that right? If somebody noticed the health department, it should be. They do keep records of that but who are you sending the letter to? Are we sending it to the manager who really is not going to do this? I manager. I would start with the manager and the management company right at the food line and the Chinese place right to all the businesses. Is there a new restaurant going next door to Chinese? Yes there is. So end those. Well that's what I'm trying to clarify. So do we think it's connected? Almost to just 70% yes. Okay that's fine. That's fine. Hi, I'm spoke with the, I guess, General Manager of Goodline, because I was talking about the roads as far as the bumping. She said that they don't own that building, that they lease that building. That's what I thought. And so I was at a meeting last week in Louis B. Hold, gentlemen that was standing behind me, is a villager for that building, that empty, $10,000. Family dollar. So I have this contact information. So if it comes out that they're responsible, I have this information. He's a villager, and he said he owns family dollars debt building. And so I'm thinking that he owns food line to them since she said that. I can check. Yeah, it would be for our customers. I would say it's a management company. Whoever earns that building would be responsible for the tenants flushing stuff down a thing that they're not supposed to be flushing. Whoever owns it, the same sign that's in Family Dollar, had the same sign in the smoke shop, in the same sign, and the rest are right this from the next to the China. They have offices in East and East and West. They have offices in New Haven. True. But he would know who the owners are, because he's the realtor, so he would know who the owner is. Well, he's saying he doesn't want to stay to Maryland. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, tax and stuff. Yeah, we don't. That's all, yeah. We're talking a lot, like I'm good. I like it. Yep, okay. Yep. Yep. All right. Like I can send it to the next two. Yeah. Yep. And I do that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a different thing about what I did with our recent other business that we were having issues with. I sent the letter to them. I sent their letter to their account. And we have no more issues. Right. OK. Hold on, folks. When they were showing the proofs, the proof is basically which tell them about the catalog and all when the number grew up and down. So did you place the whole proofs and we have a new one? So we should be correct. Is that good line or not? A full line. That's the goal. That's the goal. That's the goal. So from here, the Brooklyn Ponce de Chamonix was in good way at issues. It's clogging up. We already are ready to issue, I mean, with the rest of these two engineering companies, we have these people become something this didn't want with that. So probably they have a research of that. There were two pump stations. There was one pump which was not working at all so we replaced that pump and there is a volt pump. So we are waiting that pump we send it to the hands. When that becomes bad, we will install that. And hopefully we will get the time and what our time is, many to start the work. So we should be fine on it. I'm on it again that with two good pumps, we will make it on the plant side. We hardly show like here and there we can basically scatters. Scatter is basically computer where you really have everything you control there. That's an old window like a windows 7 which is already budgeted last year. It's already approved I think. So Ben I think is going to start this week. So they're going to replace that with the new version. So I'm not sure. I mean, I never see the new one. It looked like a helicopter. It looked like a piece of confidence. And hopefully we will be start off some issue, which, because in the old way, we have one system and we have another system. That both system don't talk to each other. So when we have our issue, sometimes we got to call, sometimes we don't. So that's one of the big issues, like, okay, we are not there and if something happens, then how will we know? And luckily, I mean, that's not that it was there. So we have proved that that it is hopefully. If I'm not saying 100% at this, 67% things will be better on that. So we can know if something happens, we call out a text of whatever they set up with. Rare is returning from like, okay, you have all this light going out. If we are sending 100 gallons, we have to send back 80 gallons. It just continuously system how you do it. So our ads form are giving me little heart on day by day, day by day. I mean, we have to work with them. You know, today, we go all day over there to just maintain them and bring back them to where we want to be. We need one pump and there are three pumps. We couldn't do two more but we'll start from our gain. So I mean sometimes the small thing take your whole day. You never know like when you end up with and with like these and there are some water like the tunnel, like a check, like a daily routine stuff. And now we, because it's a winter, we're not hardly in the slush. In the winter, we just dump it in the middle bed, which was my big concern, and which is my big concern because if you will ask me like like what was like what do you think like is the first thing you want to do in this plan I can say I mean we need a belt filter press but till we need a belt filter press there is a better way to waste because you have to waste 24 seven there is no one there Sunday at Union you have to waste some portion of your sludge there is a is an age for the bugs. There is age for the sludge. It has to go out the system to make the place for the new ones. So if that bugs will be happy and your test will be your solve. Because we have a drying bath, we don't have enough space, like in the special in the winter when the weather like a temperature goes down it down dry out. If you down dry out you don't have any work like a waste. So whatever in these two, three months was stacked, Brian already started calling. But I mean when Brian started calling then even he had two rotors, he had to land field, then I mean he he's my right hand So when he's covered there and if something happened then I'm starting with the other stuff because he's there I mean he can do that or he can do that so that's why I ask some private Republicum so he must hold if we We kind of ask them their services. How much that not a cost compared to like we are having, we are putting the gas, truck, we are going to have plus the non-time. So I mean both they should have a number but I think if we it would be better way if we take the services from our side. First thing if it's not cheap it's out almost there and second thing I think you would rather someone else rather than hauling the sludge which can be out of some of the plants and it will give us a better way because if you have a 30-year drumstone so we have more space we will like our ways and hopefully I mean in this like some of the season it's a drive quickly so when it's drive quickly we will be looking for the container and they will take they will come twice a week that's up us, like, which day we pick to take that. So that was my thing if you can check the number that I wish she has everything. But if you guys think like we're a company, we need it. And even though when we have a benefit to press and it's going to become, I mean, how we are doing it, it's old way. I mean, in wastewater, it's almost doesn't exist anymore. Like a drying bed system is to go and it's not working, it's to work for the small thing, but we are like sending out like we own after-work through is like a 350. I mean, in we went to the 500 out of the gather. So it is not actually working from these kind of thing. Maybe when they put it the throw was small, it worked out. It's still working, but it's not going to work more from the down, unless we have a better good request and clarify on which we already what with GMB they are making a proposal. Hopefully if we get a grant, there is another big project, there is a necessary thing, but I mean it's not like something can be done here, but this is needed with others. Our self-filter, which already visited, which everything was done. The guy, I talked to him last week and did somewhere, he said, end of the evening of the May. They are going to come and they will stop, they are going to stop. Unfortunately, he is the one only, I'm not saying in America, in even the surrounding state, so we don't have an option to decide just to be part of it. We had a new year compressor which was, we bought two, branded, the problem was before we were using unbranded. And when we have some issue, we couldn't fix it. And nobody was willing to work on it because that was not branded. So nobody want to put the hand on it. Because they don't know what is it. So we bought two new air compressor, which basically we've grown it here from the sand filter. So what the dumps. So we have two. We are waiting. I mean one is already installed. One we are waiting for the line from the line move to install the line and it should be done. So we are making progress. I mean it's not matter what it was when I started. I was going to tell you like how many bump- changed already. I mean, since last May I'm here, and with these guys, I mean, I'm really thankful to this young man because a lot of times when we go out, like, hoping in the plan, whatever we are doing, but outside, we need equipment which, I mean, mostly we are alive and then, and they have to come up with something else what they are doing to come up with, to help us. And that's another thing I want to remind, like I'm going to request you guys, please like give him some more applause. Because he needs people. I mean, if you want to take him to work, he's capable to do. It's a famous lot. I mean if you want to take him the what he's capable to do he knows a lot I mean but all he has to do and with two people is not possible to handle his car. He's going on from so long. Another thing whoever was there was not capable or was not but I guess did let him thing go to the last moment and now we are there either fixing or I don't know. For my side if fixing I know that that's a part right for these like people what you're doing in this town and we are here like what we are doing but we are a lot of things you don't see like what we are doing. So yeah, that's fine. Thank you. I do have a question about the sludge. So the belt press was like $1,000,000. Right, to replace the belt press. It wasn't the whole project. The brain application was $2,000,000. OK. The belt press was not $2,000,000. Okay, but the whole project to replace all of that. The whole list of clarifiers and Okay. Can't have these just to stop out. Okay, okay, but the whole project to replace all of that was clarifiers and okay It was like a It's two, three, three, goes like okay Send like car or anything One thing attached to other things Very right, yeah So we are right now we are changing the same filter Which cost us 100 I think $160,. That will be brand new but we are not solving. We are solving the one side of the puzzle. This is right there. This is right there. Yes, we need it. Yes, we need it. But we need it. These two and these two work together. If this is new and this is still the same. I'm not saying this is not going to work, but it's still not going to work. Peace, maybe. Yes, quite a good one. The battle is when you don't have anything on that water because it's healthy water. The algae grow very fast. sunlight basically they need a sunlight and pool which is already in the water. It's a waste water. So every other day we need to clean the clarifier because if we don't clean the clarifier, what else is else is cause to block the sand filter. So if the sand filter is clogged, they do not like a do-do job then our upload test come back so this all work together to be able to get the good result I mean we are doing it I swear to God we believe you no we believe you believe you are doing it so I don't know the way what a whole lot I'm just here in three years the little bit I I was where I was that was running smoothly like that I can't play in the middle know the way. I'm just here in three years. The little bit, I was where I was, that was running smoothly. That plane was running smoothly because everything was right on the money. What do you want it was there? When I started, like, first month or two month, I was just like, what is this? Right, no, we get that. So is what everything is. It's like, you know, it's if you were to use a hauler to haul the sludge, would the bin that you'd be to put it in would that be covered? Because obviously, then how would it work? And this is probably something that we would have to ask them. That would probably have to go out for bin would be my guess based on the price. He did hit me a quote so I think he wants to see if it's a possibility. It's not even a possibility then there's no point talking more. Right. Okay. So what I was doing was comparables. The thing now is because when you hold the sludge you have to have a CDL. Right. Right now I did Brian and I think Eric has an air doesn't want to hold sludge but mainly it's Ryan right no there's other things that need to be done and it goes originally right right it's Brian doing it yeah I think a bit's point is is Brian is his guy. Yeah, you know, I guess. A lot of time. Okay, Penny's another employee. Like he just said, right? It's worth investigating. Right, so I guess if it's, hey, if you need another employee, or do we outsource the hauling? Right. So which is good when you're not paying your retirement benefits right no you definitely look into it could you look to see if like our I mean I don't know see big time but like you know our trash people do they do something like that no sludge is different something different sludge is different and he did give me a quote but I was gonna check more you We brought up a good point with the value of another person Yeah, it's just different. And he did give me a quote, but I was going to check more. You brought up a good point with the value of another person to do it or just heart. So I can run some numbers and that's what I told a bid. And I did tell him to bring it up to you guys if it would be a possibility. So I'd say look into it. It saves us the money. Let me give you the money. So were you saying the belt press was included in the grant application? Is this like a forefetched ideal or question? Tell me I don't know. Is there a way to see like I know some other talents got grant funding to upgrade their waste water stuff? They got monies to upgrade. Like, reach it nice to those towns to say, hey, what are you doing with your old belt press? Or you know, it as a possible, we can get your old stuff that, you know, still works and is still operatable to an extent so that we don't have to take this money that a portion of it, we got to pay back. Is that... If you release some of the Irish and no... You want to read more of the Irish? There's a reason they're getting rid of it. The reason is like every plane worked differently. Every sludge has a different category. Gotcha. So how many here they were going with there? Maybe we're doing here. It's not what we're doing here. How many dead people would be especially with them working on something. So we used to not work right here. I was just trying to, I was making a call. I was thinking of us on that and then we end up with a more issue. Then I would say like we don't write it. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks a bit. We appreciate all you guys work with you and Eric. We appreciate it. So, see we keep this not here. We have the packet report packet. You do have it. Yes, I have a question. I need you to run back just to the last before you jump to chief for whatever. You always just get ready to jump to. If you're sending the letter to the business of their in regards to the Greece traps in us, is there a price that you have in mind that every time they have to go up there because of that and use time and whatever is there a cost that we're going to start charging them per visit to unclog that. So if it's okay can I do some research on that? Yeah that's fine I just wanted to make sure. I would love me to add a cost to it to get them to do it themselves. Sure. Hold them in my pocket. I would prefer we don't do any work on obviously. Right. But if the project property owners aren't doing their part and it comes to us, then I could see, I mean, potentially even like a fine or something. We have to go out to do it. We have to do it. Because it becomes a public health safety. That's coming out of the ground. So I mean, if we have to come and do it because of that, then yes, we're going to charge a fee. Like we just can't utilize our main power. Yeah, because that's always nice. I understand, but it goes back to the same thing. So then how do you enforce that fee? So like anything, and we can talk about that more in probably close session if you want. OK, cool. All right. Now what were you saying about chief? I'm sorry, I just went off. Unfortunately, thank you, but I think you got the package. Right. And then... Okay, cool. Alright. Now what were you saying about chief? I'm sorry. I just Fortunately, thank you, but I think you got the path to the mic and it's my turn. I am very excited that I finally have a treasure. I'll be honest with you because I will be very honest with you. I probably was not doing a great job in there. I was paying our bills. I did learn to pay roll. She is very some of the things that she's been saying to me. I have very high hopes and I did when I interviewed her so I am very excited. I'm hoping. No pressure. Yeah. Oh she's hurt. I'm hoping with her able to lighten my load a little bit, I can do more of the tasks that were, but treasure was taking a lot of my time to sort through stuff and try and organize it. So I am the grant admin and all the other things. So grants, the pump station is still moving forward. He did get the bids. He is gonna make her recommendation to you. I do believe he'll got the equal seven meeting Peter from GMD. The code enforcement stuff I told you about the business in town that it seems to be clear that about check the three times. The work issues we do, sorry residential water and sewer bills go out for early but our industrials are monthly. So Sherry takes care of that. She did have a lot of questions. It seems like stuff wasn't like settled in. So I've been helping her like clear some things up, make sure we have the right information and it makes her drop in the field. And it's not like I guess in the early month. Code enforcement's comments are still coming in. It has slowed down quite a bit, which is good because I don't have as much time for it. I haven't been able to do the code enforcement part as much because of my other duties, but I do keep an eye out. And if I hear complaints, I do enhance along the best I can. Treasure's good. Interim's how manager, I'm trying to keep track of Old employees email accounts to make sure I'm not missing anything my own email accounts to make sure I'm not missing anything I don't like it that I'm not my normal you know, I like to respond quickly to emails It's taking me a little bit longer to keep everything organized But I I have no idea OK. I have no idea. I have four employees here in Afghanistan. Yeah, no, you're doing a great job. You're doing great. I just love the hats for you. I can only do what I can do. So if you have questions for me, I can answer them the best I can. Can you put a forward on those other accounts so that you don't have to constantly go into the box? We're almost thought of creating an email account just called Dead Employee Account. So they could have done it there. And I've instead afforded an active one, just put all the dead ones, because at least one of them we shouldn't close until we sort it out, because stuff might be connected to that email. We really got to be careful with that. But I was tempted to create like a dead employee email. So you created that. In voices. Yeah. Right. And Jamie's going to monitor that. Okay. So she's monitoring every, I don't know if it's every kind of employee, but the office employees, at least in supervisors, they get an email for the town, like personal email. And then we did create the invoices. So Sherry worked really hard. She called 35 or 40 businesses. I redirected to an Eric email. Jamie has her personal email but she understood we're gonna try to see if it generic. I had IT come in do a bunch of stuff to prepare. I mean she really came right in and was set up mainly to get started right away probably sooner than she wanted. We didn't have much like, you know, and right now since we're past the water and sewer build time, there wasn't like the hustle as much as the front counter. So she didn't train with Sherry about that, but she would be the third person in role, you know, and she learned how to answer the phone. She's all a customer to, I mean, so we'll get there, but yeah, I have been thinking about that. So I just haven't gotten that far yet. Trying to figure out what to do. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, next we have Old Business, the PIA and FOIA discussion. So there was the one that came from Lindsay, and I kind of took the one that was from trap, changed it for Federal Berb, and I also took the same information kind of bullet pointed it, whichever one you guys like better be form is the same for the most part. I like bullets, I don't like paragraphs, but I was just my personal opinion, whatever you've got, I feel like we'll be easier for the public to utilize. I think that we should do a better job informing the public of what this public information act is, number one, what they have the right to get, because I don't think that it has ever been something that was openly known. Like, oh, you can go and request this or request that and what we request and what does that mean and what does that look like? I like the policy, but I just think the education piece from us on what it is. Rather that be a simplified version of this on our Facebook page and on our actual Facebook webpage to tell us like hey, people of the public, this is something that you have the right to do. You have the right to request this information from the town. This information is public information, it's not secret, it's not hidden. If you request that this is is our policy. This stuff should be forward facing that the public know openly. I just, I feel like it, I made a video on Facebook and I was blown away by the number of people who said, oh, I have the right to get that information. I have the right to ask them for a copy of this. Yeah, you really do. And I know we say if someone wants something printed out it's 25 cents, but are we charging people if they just say email it to me? I haven't charged anybody from top of the building. So I was just asking, because I saw the charge piece. No, I don't have to. And nowadays, I know most people, if most people don't want paper anyways, they want you to email it electronically. So I mean is the charge thing I get if is our paper and we need to Collect our fees Right so it's according to that and according to the Zabaslan's and these questions to that one to clarify What I do you know I'm probably more efficient at collecting information I know people so it already says the first first two hours are free. And then I guess you would charge for coffee. I personally have not done that just because I, I mean, the policy is not, it's not an effective. Yeah, I just saying I'm just saying to me, the amount that we would collect versus the time to make the collection is not really worth it. because we have to create it in ways then you have to create a customer then you know and then it turned Then we have to like track it then we have to do that stuff So I guess probably the purpose of that is when you have you know You're doing a 300 page Maryland article bill that's different than if they want the six pages of our budget. So do you think it should be like after the 50th page we're going to start charging you X amount of money per page? That's not up to me. I'm just saying I will be in a few days. Well, when you're saying as much as we can then you can make it electronically and you don't need to worry about. I mean if somebody when you like up. So this birdie asks for budget I charge a dollar seventy-five like I just you know like yeah well there's stuff within reason but if somebody wanted like a plot trend out of like the new wall wall layout right that's that's a cost because we don't have the plot printer well I wouldn't or I don't think we give out I don't I mean I don't need that so that's like isn't that wall wall property I mean I don't They might come to out? I don't, I mean, to me that's like, isn't that well, well, property? I mean, I don't know how that goes. They may come to code, I don't know. I mean, that goes back to Councilwoman James's point of like, what can you get, what can you get in maybe the front page of this one is kind of an explanation of what the Freedom of Education Act is, what is public information act policy, what is eligible, what's not eligible, is it basic understanding? That'd be great because I'd like that to be honest with you. Certain things I make sure I ask when I had a generic point that was employees, names, salaries and all this stuff and I sent it to her and asked her. Some town, like some of the towns like I'll say on the westerners shore, some of the cities, they have like just like a blanket thing. It's just like this little something you probably could put up in elementary school like, hey, public information. Did you know? Did you know you could get this? Something so simple that anybody could follow. And I mean it could be something as simple as that would a link to this and the... Right. You could do that on Facebook and advertise a link to this on the phone. I mean, the charging card, I have a charge that I have. Yeah. It would, to be, that's a bigger hassle if I'm charging someone a dollar 50. I'm saying, like, we need money, but it's not worth it. That's $25. You could say we reserve the right. Right. Because it depends on what it would. But for any of you made a good point, is it over certain how many pages feel like a body of them? Sherry creates our invoices. You know how much she makes an album. Like, is it... So, it's not very, very good point. Is it over certain how many pages, but like if I, Sherry creates our invoices, you know how much she makes an album. Like, is it, is it worth her time? It's for you to fill it into that number is, that's when it would be worth it. Nothing is worth it if it costs more time to to the extra work points. I mean, if it's just as simple as getting on a computer clicking print and one copy. Right, really? Right. If it's something in a storage box that's from 1965. That's a front desk. There were... print and one copy. Right, really? Right. It's something in the storage box that's from 1965. That's a friend desk. I think I said it just to bring it to you on him. She saw it. I said it's more electronically. I said if you need it in paper, it's up in front desk. And I said it sounded like she needed two different things. It might be easier if she puts it on two different forms. just for to separate it to who's job it was to do it. So like I said, it's at the front desk when Miss Burry asked for the budget. I printed a few of them just left them up there. It's just it was never being able to do it. I did not charge a fee. I crossed that for that. I did do it for tracking purposes and it's who we're giving information to, which it sounds like she would be doing. So yeah, like I said to me, I, I mean, I have common sense. It wasn't worth me saying, hey, Sherry, you gotta create him, I have common sense. It wasn't worth me saying, hey, share, you got to create him. We're going to create like, yeah, no, but take you more, we'd spend more. Yeah. That's what I mean. It's not. Yeah. And for saying that we reserve the right, it's probably, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. somebody comes in and wants you to know. If you're okay if it's me saying yes or no, then I'm fine with this. And I mean if there's questions about your river're okay, if it's me saying yes or no, then I'm fine with this. And I mean, if there's questions about your river on Chargy, they can always come to the next town council meeting and it's our second. Yes. So do we like the bulleted one or the paragraph one before I do it? Do we need more? Okay, so I will put it in there. We reserve the right to change. and then I'll do like a little flyer that can be posted with a link to this. Can you or your answer the questions that we can in KM or do we need? put in there we reserve the right to change and then I'll do like a little flyer that can be posted with a link to this. I'll just Google it and make sure Lindsey's okay with it. Okay. So I mean because there are things that automatically get redacted and there are things that are excluded. So we could just put those as preliminary and I mean I googled it for what's federal and what state. When you're doing your proofing in your six-bullet if you request copies of plots I think that's what this was being on plots. I'm sorry I thought it was like plots like plots of land. Plats of plots. Plats of Plats. Okay, sorry about that. No, no, no. Plats of the time. Thank you because it could have been a typo on. Hi, these days. Okay, what can I, and I'm just going to put the stuff in the FOIA folder online. And well, okay, thank you. Oh, yep, okay. Well, then you really emails you so goes into that black up goes into the down floor you want. Okay, I'll work this stuff up and I'll put it in the things in you all link. Okay, next is the business letters for Rhodes discussion decision? I think Lindsey picked that up. He did. He did. It's somewhere within us. But I mean, if Eric is saying that he's coming up with some sort of plan to start that, do we need to still request funds from businesses? Or should we put a pause on that? I mean, I guess that depends on, too, whatever his call state he's coming up with. And I guess that depends on what you come up with as far as the budget, because we still haven't seen a budget or what the money of the town is looking like for. Yes, going forward. So the one thing about the letter I saw, which I've said a few times, I think, she put very specific information about, like, asking if and stuff, and I'm just not sure that that's accurate. So I don't, I mean, I do like that she put, it's likely to increase through a passage of time, but I think one of the big things with that number was that it wasn't accurate. And it also included a work included Brooklyn which we don't need to include anymore. So I'm not sure. I know Eric has very high hopes. He did this done. I'm not sure we get started. How long it will take to do it. So it's kind of, you know, he may need a little bit more time to think about that and try and engage tiny and increasing and so it's up to you. But... Well, any progress is progress. So, I mean, starting with some stuff and moving towards something, I think is... Right, so... It's not through. Or it's like a double-edged sword, really, because it's like depending on what he gets, depends on how much your budget a budget he has. And then, but if you do get asked for donations, it might help him get a little bit further. So I'm not sure. But if, but because we voted to do this, we know we can do this and we do have the letter if we approve the letter. So once he comes to us with whatever he has and we compare the numbers to whatever comes up from the budget and what we have left in our accounts. We pretty much have a sort of road map as to where we want to go. and we compare the numbers to whatever comes up from the budget and what we have left in our accounts. We pretty much have a sort of kind of road map as to where we want to go and what we need to either to ask for or modify the letter. So to say so I guess my question is which was asked of me and I'm gonna ask it back. Do you want to wait a little bit and get more information on Eric or do you want to move forward right? I would allowed? I would want to, if we can do it with Eric, I think it would be cheaper to go with Eric than to have the RFP drawn out, run the RFP, do the bidding and then do all of that and then see what he comes up with because it may be cheaper his way because it seems like he can get donated hours and he can get some incline stuff coming in. Yes. which it would probably be a slower pace of... I have a lot of faith in Eric, and I'm not trying to say I don't. But it's him and two other guys and possibly help him somewhere. He can't pay you 20 streets this far. But what I'm saying is, it's a start. Yes. It's a start. And I think it's the least that we can do to the Green Ridge residentsidence is to attempt to fix their road and we don't fix no other road in Federal's bird Green Ridge Is that green that's Green Ridge? But but I'm just but I'm just saying like honestly, you honestly, if it's, that's why I asked him for a timeline. If you're going to start with Green Ridge, the worst road, let's start with the worst section and start there. And what's the timeline there? What's the timeline here? And how are the proposed, how is he going to work that out with his day-to-day duties? because those still have to be done. So that's the type of thing that I would like to see in a timeline and a budget of what he's going to be proposing because the numbers have to make sense. Sure. So Eric, I'm not sure we got all the numbers in yet but your small patch on reliance. So five or six hours there were four hours. Four hours. The main thing is the way I timed it was we said here everybody else was doing three of us a Mary of tearing it off. Realized what was underneath was kind of the issue of concrete. Somebody just said I'm just gonna drop the whole back concrete in a hole. So it kind of like what other spots are like that in town What do we have to do to Try to pass that per se So when you start a road and you're laying two and three quarter inches Asphalt when you roll it in you can use the equal to an inch to hold its compaction. The compaction starts underneath. If I lay stone in, I would need, let's say, a tack. The only time I would tack some is up to your gutters from the curve. So there's almost like a eight inch antenna area that is concrete. So in that area of the cheap work going down in it has to be like a star-based attack. Well, water-based attack. Once you lay it out in, you don't have to put anything in the center. If all of you have a good base, the big issue in this town is the base is same. So sand doesn't come packed with asphalt. When a hot hits sand, what's sand turned into it? It gets fertile turned black. So basically it's just going to come all the way up to sand. And it just keeps saying it. So when we tell you to asphalt out, if there's asphalt underneath, we're in good shape, but there's going to be spots you're going to have sand. So that sand has to be taken out at least six inches and then read back filled with another concrete base like CR6 and recycled concrete and it has to meet state regulation. The place I get from, hand you a paper when we get it, it says, this meets 50 state regulations besides, let's say, count for them. When you put that in and you roll it in and compact it, that gives your asphalt a base to stop buckling. It buckles, it crats, it goes in and crats. So, water. You're from water with free image, right? Yes. So the top 300 block has gutter and sidewalks. So that's probably the easiest one to just do the painting. The second block, the 200 block, I think just has sidewalks. And then it goes like a hump to grass. And it goes right to the right. And then the 100 block has curves, but no sidewalks. Right, so where would you, in my opinion, not because Heather's sitting here, be the easiest one to work on one but also from what Eric has told me and I am no asphalt expert but if he does a section then the next section next to it's gonna keep crumbling right because it's in such bad shape So you almost have to do the whole block right? That's fine and we can use that as like our first like starter one But how do you want to do it because you also mentioned the central so do you want to prioritize? What roads you want air could investigate if he feels confident that he's able to handle those roads. And that's how we do it. Because, Brandy, when I came back to work with you, you wanted to include sidewalks, curves, and gutters in your donation part. But if Eric's doing it, I would say he probably can't do sidewalks, curve, and gutter to it also. Does that make sense? It does. So I just want to clarify what we all are thinking like so we're all in the same page when I say East Central Now I'm thinking Yes beyond even beyond the bridge, but my my concern with East Central right now is safety because not only my I'll say my I'll put, I'm serving like this and you're almost having head on collisions on East Central because everybody's trying to dodge the pitholes on both sides of the room. So Eric actually talked about that and he really did want to do it, but it's, I think you told me where the pothole, it's like a straight line. It's like a bad section, right? So even though you're guarding them, they're all in the same life for a foot, you know, section. So he did talk about that too. But it has sidewalks, curves, and goters. I mean, we might have to do a sidewalk project later, but if we can get the roads drivable, let's start there. I mean, something is better than nothing, in my opinion it's the section on these central is that the section that the towns took over from the state it would be after the bridge yeah and so if you're coming across east central over the bridge right it'd be over the bridge and then pass the bridge to a little bit pass reliance right so what happens is as you're coming if you're coming if you're going to Brooklyn you're trying to get on this side of the road to avoid the potholes But the people on that side of the potholes are trying to get over And you're sorry everybody to talk to our one. I'm just trying to figure out if it's the spawn that It's it's it's straight between straight right. It's between liberty and It's like right right after you get off the bridge, all the way past Liberty. Yeah, okay. So I think that is the section that we have. So if it was the section that the state's still low and we could call down. And I just, I have a whole lot of issues because every, every so many days I see, you drive across the bridge and you see the signs that says the trucks are not supposed to be in town limits. We're heavy load yet. Just. every so many days I see you you drive across the bridge and you see the signs that says the trucks are not supposed to be in town limits with heavy load yet just the other day here's this big truck with this big load of whatever he had on it machinery or whatever here he is coming across here he is coming down east central across our little bridge and I'm like well who's enforcing this It's sand that you can't have these big trucks through, but here we are, these big trucks are coming right through town. I'm not gonna catch them, it's the problem. Yeah, I mean. I have sent, when Chris is here, I sent a couple emails with pictures because I'd be sitting at my kitchen table or die room table in Buenos Aires and you can hear the glass rattle. And all of a sudden, here comes a semi-truck. I saw... On the list? I'm going to this, uh, coming from, I look right around the corner, if you know on my central and they go past my house. I saw Lee's salons come up with a Teddy bear truck. But, you know, sure to me, coming out and saying, hey, can I get your information? And I don't know if, I don't, the day that I saw that truck with the big machinery or whatever he had on there, I don't know if he made the wrong turn or where he was coming from. There's plenty of signs. But there's plenty of signs. However, they're coming up from the industrial. Our nice, our federal's bird police officer was sitting right there next to the antique shop and did not pull that truck over. Not to catch you all crazy too, but I was going to work the other day at seven o'clock and there was a police car up by the hardware store at like seven o'clock and I'm like so we're not watching. Well so some trucks are allowed like that teddy bear fresh truck is like a truck that's allowed. Right there's certain ones that are not as nice as a shadow tractor like so like the small like the teddy Tadio when I see the box no I'm talking like I seen two Trafford so good and roller trucks coming through town and they're not supposed to that truck with the machinery He came across the bridge and then tried to turn right here up on not on this route Supposed to but at the light he turned to come up this away on the main. I don't know where he was born with the stuff, but he might have been lost, but nevertheless, he should have seen no signs that I see. He should have seen no signs that said that his looms too heavy. Well, there are all over the place coming into town, and I think one of the things Chief McDermott said that they had a problem with is that your Google GPS or like your ways will tell you the trucks aren't allowed. If you are actually a truck driver and you pay for the truck GPS, the truck GPS will say you are not allowed in town limits. I think it's with the watch signs. As a truck driver, you have a range of make-down. It's once you're around this town. It really does. But that's if you have the real one that you say. You say it louder so that people don't zoom in here. You just say it louder. It does tell you. It is you know how to read an assas like I do. I don't know if you guys know it. Brod Allison. Yes, I have one. I saved it just in case some kid ever wants to know how to read one. It shows you red is all through this town. There's only two roads that the trucks should be on in this town, which is wherever it happens. Yep. And you're allowed to go down wherever I have. Yep. And you're allowed to go to reliance up to the end of chamber park. And you're allowed to go down chamber road. There are only two roads. There are a lot of vehicles. There are a lot of people that are not allowed to be on liberty. We have to see, I think, we put a sign because you got the proper plastic. Correct. We put a sign because you got from plastic right now. Correct. We put a sign at Liberty right now from the Liberty. So they can't go down to the east central. I think it's central. Yeah. And that's half of the powerful issues. Am I saying that right? Oh, that we... It is. it is about a weight. I mean, you're talking about revenue. We're in full over to him. We're going to. So do you want me to send an email to the chief task him to make sure this police officers are enforcing new truck? I think that's I think that might be one of the reasons why he was well, he said he was amping up like patrol up in that area. Anyways, because of the people coming off of reliance, like coming through the blowing through the stop sign, like it doesn't even exist there. Since he's not here, I'm sure I can go. Okay, thank you. Okay, so we're gonna wait for my information on the letter. Yes, in the meantime, if anybody has any changes, like I think it I'm writing here. I think it should be we are, but if anybody has any other corrections, so the thread to go, if and when we need it, but hopefully Eric's plan will work. Okay, next we have review completed SOPs. I had done a folder of SOPs and I did an Excel spreadsheet with a table in it or a Google sheet and you put the name of the SOP and then you put a hyperlink to the SOP and then it puts the person assigned to it and the date that it was started and when it should be reviewed I created that table of there's the Google Today I was playing with like the template that we had from our work because of some of the stuff that it had on it and I did a water and sewer issue, that's okay. So for you guys to take a look at, I just kind of roughly typed an outline of like flow and notification and it was random things I was thinking of. I think in there there should be the pump stations and the wells. Obviously there will be internal SOPs and external SOPs. The stuff with the wells and where the pump stations are, that stuff is confidential and not allowed to be foiled because that stuff is confidential. But it would be nice for us to be able to know where this is. Or just supposed to like, therm... Like the well, the location. Like no, no, the locations of your wells and conestations are technically... I mean, people can drive by and assume what they are, but they're not really something that gets advertised, right? And that is for a metal of security. But I think we should have that in our internal documentation. I talked about that today. We don't even know that we have a binder that lists what the town knows. Bill, Lee, Lian, D'Aless. That's on my list as an inventory. We don't have an inventory. That was my list. No, I talked about that today. And some parcels are so old, they don't connect to like an SDAT sheet. So, but I just talked about that today. I was talking to Eric about it because we did work on the chiming thing that you did. Oh, okay. I didn't respond to you. No, that's fine. I just wanted to make sure somebody knew about it because we were getting the rain. We felt all that money to have that roof-free dime. I just wanted to make sure, or said thank you for taking care of that. I appreciate it. And we felt all that money to have that roof-free done. And I just wanted to make sure, or if so, thank you for taking care of that. I appreciate it. It's not an issue yet. Yeah, no, I've been pretty, it's better to at least start to address it now before it turns into something worse. Yes. We had some discussions earlier about SOPs and different things. So I think we need a variety of SOPs. So not necessarily like, even when Sherry gets a call, we just talked about that today, it would be, you follow certain things. So I'm hoping, like I said before, now that I have more time, I can spend a lot more time on that. Well, those are things as you do them, like they get put in the drive and if they have a length and it also might be that we haven't got to yet. There's a status, started, not started in progress. And we'll just kind of use that to keep track of everything that we need to do. He's like, Mercedes, you create the policies. Well, I can't create the policies about waste water treatment plans or different things. but we do need to work together on it to get a clear path. So there are certain things that they already have in direction because they do treatments and they do testing and they do all that stuff. So that's their SOPs, right? So this was kind of like if there's a water main break, like what's the scope, what's the impact, what gets poo-poo-poo-so-and-facebook, who notifies Caroline County Public Schools, is the public schools in fact it if there's a fire hydrant if somebody as an accident takes out a fire hydrant the chief of police needs to know that hydrogen is out of commission. I mean the chief of the fire department because if they can't show up to put out a fire they'll have to bring a tanker right so those are the kinds of things that I was putting in this FOP for like but that sounds more so like a SOP basically for the town manager what she would need to do because when something that major happens she's the person that's like calling the shots still it's not right I mean yes but if she's you know like that's part of probably the emergency plans yeah they's that. I mean, like we stayed up to make sure so we could post on Facebook and I texted, you know, the schools and stuff that, you know, at 12, 15, that the water was back on so they would be able to have school, right? So those are, but that's still stuff that needs to be outlined that people don't like people. So people just knew it kind of. And that's what I was just trying to document and stuff. What are we with the emergency plan no we're good stuff bought it up you know several times and you know when that border you know shut down for so long yeah that goes with the Caroline County one that was sent up and uploaded so we did need to review that they didn't address like our situation No, we would have to address our Right, right That's what I asked you I was a dog Jones, so all of the department had a man with dog Jones and that was before I was a great person Right I was a little bit more time-err Right I was in in that meeting. And one of the things that he said, which it never got followed up on, the most important thing is you have to figure out what your account can do. Right? Yes. So you have to think of every emergency that you may ever imagine. That's when you were saying at the damn break, what are we going to do? We had the fire department. And that was incorrect information in there. And we never got any further than you, a little bit less than this or something. Yeah, so they did the, what you're talking about, they did like an in-person like action. I want to think the people there said was that if the dam if the chambers lake became overflow then the fire department could pump out water and like relieve it and basically the chief told me is if the Chambers Lake is Flooding then the whole town is flooding and there's no word of pump water like it's not possible so it was like a An exaggerated situation that had incorrect information. So it's kind of like his the Chiefs point was of the fire department was kind of like, you know, we're all upshits creep if that happens. So, you know, that's not necessary. It can't be an action item for a plan because if that happened, then the whole tent. But basically, and I don't, you guys weren't that meeting, weren't you? It was, let's consider any emergency we could imagine. And then the capabilities of the town. So like for example, if the East Central Bridge went out, and I hope I didn't just think so, I'm sorry. But if we only have three to seven public workspile, are they capable of shutting down traffic, are they capable of redirecting, are we able to have somebody there and at each intercept to make sure our car probably not. So we would need to contact the county to help us. Right. Director. Great. Great. Great. So even Doug Jones sends us reminders. And one of the things he said was, if we have a road closure, you have to notify tons of people. It's not just local town people. So when I said nowhere, I wasn't trying to be mean. I'm just honest. I didn't take it that way. I have been in a meeting that I know what we need to do. But you asked me where we were at and I know where to answer. I'm that I gather that. We need to schedule a couple of Saturday meetings to actually come with the plane that actually works. Oh, no, I agree with you. Yeah, no, it's been that I kept it to you. Yeah, because of that wear. Absolutely. Because it was a hot mess. It was a hot mess. Nobody knew anything. And then misinformation was getting out and sure. And you know, we don't want something to happen. And we even know we have to tell people. Yeah. So on the plus side, the state would have to pay to replace the bridge. And we wouldn't have pop up on it. they would close it forever and say you got for a ship of downtown. Nope, they own it. They own it. They own it a lot of things. But if you come up with some ideas, let us know what we can do to really get on this because it's like the next and the waiting happening. No, I believe me. I would say it's very important. But the problem is we have a lot of things. I know. Well, that you start the document right? It's you know, you take the one from there and just put it out line and start typing it on there Right and then everybody goes in and fill it in on it Can you think of emergencies and then if you come up with an emergency? Yeah, we did it up and say a bit if this happened What do we do? You're right. So that actually would be helpful. Yeah. We just started being there. Started the SOP document. The SOP thinkers, that'll be of the sort. Yeah. I don't like that because if you think about it, it's kind of like Mr. Staycuff. Right? If you envision it, it would have been. I didn't know. I know, but that you asked how you could help. you could help and I'm not sure how you could decide doing that. And it makes sense. Then I need to figure out from my supervisors what we think we're capable of doing. And that was already right. So I... I'll just put the size doing that. And it makes sense. Then I need to figure out from my supervisors what we think we're capable of doing. And that was already, yeah. So that is definitely something that I, my personally, is fully capable of doing. So we can do it. It's just like I said, if you have 50 things at top priority, it's kind of hard to be. So we have zero completed SOPs currently, right? I gave you a pile of ones that I created when I took over a code enforcement. Gerwurst Power. It's not handed it to you. Oh, oh. It's not paper. I'm sorry. I did. That's why I was looking for something. It's that, that's why I was looking for something. And that's, that's so my email to you was, I did not release your personal baby to other people because I did not have a chance to review them. These are my personal ones, okay, right? I'm saying this is this this with the Oh, right. They're the procedures that they're working on for documenting however they're in fun stuff, but I haven't had time to review them. So I only felt comfortable giving you what I have done And it would and really I have I have a lot of time to work that I would say I could offer to it. But I haven't had the time to put it in a paper. I have a question. I have a question in statement and slash requests. Or however you want to put it. So since we know all the stuff that's going on inside of town, or whatever, I mean, not count, Council, town office, and you're getting things great now. I think we are talking about SOPs as to how to do things, but I also think we need a policy book in place. Policy as in. So, Kim mentioned in a couple of know, she was upset that certain things were held for so long before it came to light. I think there needs to be a policy where if things are found fraud, waste, abuse, whatever the case may be, there should be a policy that says you have within a certain amount of time to report this. report this rather you report it to Mercedes, rather you report it to Council, rather you report it. It needs to be reported and writing to the appropriate how you're up. Should we put that in the personal menu? Well, what I was gonna say is that sounds like a merit council policy. That needs to be a policy because it does not exist in our charter and it does not exist anywhere in the employee menu or any job descriptions in regards to reporting anything of the nature of that. Yeah, we said, okay, well, let's put the ethics poster up in the office. And I don't even think that's up there. I have a few questions. And to me, I feel like it's, we have that responsibility of putting that charge on the employees that when you see something you need to say something because I feel like there's a culture within the town that I'm not going to say nothing until you know it's my turn to be in trouble then I'm gonna say something and then I'm gonna do xy I'll be very honest with you Jamie started today and that's a Jamie for anything you think that I have done or you find that looks funky I want you to I don't care. I don't care. Well, it's not about following on your own sort. It's about accountability more so, more so than anything. And that's where I get with this word of mouth stuff. I like documentation. I like black and white. Put it down in the writing. So I said word of mouth and then we have a staff meeting. I get with this word of mouth stuff. I like documentation. I it down in the eye. I said word amount and then we had a staff meeting. You told everybody if they spoke to the town manager or their supervisor, they did not like what they were told that they should feel comfortable coming to Mary Council, right? So that's what I meant by word and I. Okay. Not necessarily specific to, hey, if you think Mercedes sold piece of gum, come on out and tell us like whatever the case is. But do you understand? Yeah, that's what I'm going to be doing. So even today, when I talked to Jamie, she's the charger rope. I said, please, like, please even share you different things have come up. And I'm like, anybody can tell me that I have done something wrong. Like I don't, I'm not been like that. That's fine. Some stuff I don't understand. One of the things is the leak. Well, Kim just made a good point. They would not have been able to have school the next day. We would have had to shut the water off six hours during the day to fix the leak. So the water was shut off the night before. What a bit explained to me was that because it was a lateral leak and not a main leak, it probably could have waited. And I guess, and there it was like, I was the boss I said oh my gosh this is this is all full. We have to fix it So they just fixed it, but then they came and explained it to me I'm not the needs a bit saying for say you don't know what you're talking about like we didn't have to fix that But when you said hey the school probably would have had to close the next day if we would have had to shut the water off for five and six hours to fix the leak. Because it did affect them. So where I was feeling like really guilty, like, oh my gosh, I made this horrible mistake, I'm actually glad you said that. Because now I don't feel so bad. I mean, there's looking into the scope of a problem. There's looking at impact. There's looking at resident impact. Like we said, the one that caused the second problem, it was in a loop where nobody was impacted. So they could shut off both sides. Nobody was impacted and we didn't have to pay $40,000 to repair. Yeah so I mean those are those are things that there needs to be a decision tree. You want to say an analysis. I'm sorry you raised your hands. Of that. If I say something and I'll wrong you correct me. I mean it's just working through the decision tree's just working through the decision tree. Sure. Right? And I mean, that's just the SOPs or the policies or how we're doing things, just help people follow the decision tree to make a decision or an educated decision. To your point, maybe the thing stating that they've received the handbook and that there needs to be a paragraph in the employee handbook. And on the thing statements is I understand, you know, I am working for the town of Fettlesburg and if I observe something that is out of, you know, the norm that I feel is wrong, right, that I have the duty to record it as an employee of the town or something. So that they get it twice, they get it once the employee manual and once they're signing that they've received the manual and they understand that they are obligated to report something that they feel is not correct. Right. And that also feels though that our employee manual, it needs to be one, whoever the town manager is, needs to review it. We need to also, in conjunction with the town manager, review it annually and make sure that employees get a copy of it annually. Reason being, insurance stuff changes. Different things change throughout the year and I think it's fair to employees and to us to make sure everybody's on the same page as to how things are running. So I think everybody's annual evaluation or at open enrollment, everybody gets a copy of the employee manual, the updated version, and they sign in this every year to make sure that everything, everything is still the same if anything has changed, whether it be that statement or whatever. But I just think that needs to be had, that needs to be said and implemented because there are no policies regarding anything like as far as accountability goes to that I've found. There are smaller towns in the area that we can reach out to like Queensborough and see what they're doing. like as far as accountability goes, that I've been. There's smaller towns in the area that we can reach out to, like Queensborough, and see what they have in terms of policies and procedures and employee handbooks that we are not having to read about the whole thing from the bottom up. Yes, but I don't think we ever reach out to anybody. I'm not really a big fan of doing that, and that's me personally. I think you should make your policies and your procedures based on, I mean, you're the five council members if you want advice from me that's fine but um, I mean her handbook covers a lot. And it does and always pick it that piggybacking off of other towns and stuff. I mean, I guess you could but I don't know that like I went through it and I saw things. I think having five very different individuals from very different backgrounds, including myself would be six would be, I think we had a very interesting take on the different things that we knew from our lives and our different jobs and different things. So I'm not sure you could add the town thing into it, but I'm not sure you need it to be honest with you, but that's just my opinion Like I read through the Their correction sheet and it was like Kim was in blue Debbie was in pink or whatever. I'm sorry I don't yeah Debbie was I was taking somebody's color before I realized I was green She because you were typing while I was typing. So that was the only time I changed to green. I didn't realize it. Somebody would put a key at the top. I didn't have for the fact. Oh, yeah. And that's a long thing. I just thought it was easier to have all consolidated on a thing. And then after, I was like, oh, we should have put them on your notes. I don't know if it was easier but the beat just went back and higher like changed the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to change the way to Yeah, a thing and then after I was like, oh, we should have put them on your notes But I don't know if it was easier, but then I just The rest of the green because it was all merged together with red and I didn't know if you understood who was saying what that's why I was like No, it's I mean it was thank you for going through it and pulling out the parts. That was just stuff I saw was Yeah. It was, so, and I think I put in my emails and somebody thanked me for my transparency and I'm like, that's not special. That's just who I am. It's not, I didn't do anything special. I am seeing some odd things that I wanted to make sure you knew about. Even when I talked about the employee manual, there were some things that I found odd. whole whole time I found them odd. So I think going to the different meetings and I asked the civic questions and it conflicts with some of the other stuff that I've heard. And my new mocker around town is we need to double check anything anyone has ever told us just to verify if we can say it louder for the performance and you know. And you're not. And it's not I'm not I'm not bashing anybody. If I say something to error if he doesn't believe me he should double check it if it sounds weird like I'm not saying I'm the ultimate person either way but there have been a few conflicting things and really it's it's information gathering that's all I'm trying to do. And give a good idea. For example, we talked about state retirement. I did not want to be in state retirement. I have my own retirement. But after so many hours, you're like forced into it. There's no way to opt out, which is complete. And I know how much the town pays for it. And it bothers me because if I leave within 10 years you lose all your money. But I'm not willing to give you 10 years. I'm not willing to like, and I don't mean it that way, I could end up your 10 years. But if you say, oh my gosh, per se, shake my hand, you're stuck your 10 years. I'm not willing to do that. So the part is not me losing the money. The town is the money and that part I don't like me like I just and that's's why I think. And so, and that's all of this, that's just what I'm saying. So other little things, some of the things I saw were, one of them was like June Teeth. The only reason I mentioned it is, because it wasn't specifically in the holidays, but we celebrated. So in my mind, if we want to put it up to accurate. That should be updated and that would be another one that when that was came of federal holiday the manual was updated. Everybody got a new email linked to the current version right and they initial that they received the updated policy. Well and I do agree with your nearly version because if you did it that way you you could actually put the cost of the health insurance for a different category in it. And then there are no like guessing means of what insurance is. Exactly. So I looked in my employee manual today and there is a separate one page. So the employee manual says refer to your whatever not I mean I don't I am not in I'm not in a bargaining unit. We have bargaining units. My job is not in a bargaining unit. But there is a one sheet synopsis that changes every year with the new budget of what my position gets for my benefits. And our employee handbook refers to that. So you don't have to constantly update the employee handbook, but you update the kind of like what we did with the fee schedule. Like we're starting to put refer to the fee schedule because then you didn't have to modify a giant document or yes. So I don't know, but that might be a way that you can put in the employee manual to that right? Like your employee healthcare rates are based on the rates that are set by blah, blah, blah. See the schedule or something. I think our schedule, I think because some companies are there, I think we're January to December. So if you plan to update your employee name, like their new rates are effective, I think in January. Yes, that's all our... Yes, that's all our... But open enrollment usually starts. Usually those companies start towards the end of October with the advertising like, hey, this is who we've decided to go with and open enrollment if there's any links. You get October, November, and usually by that second week in December, everybody should have their elections and everything selected in place so that it gives whoever's process and it's time to get it in the system and for it to filter through to take place January 1st. Yes, so the reason I brought that up is that would be a good time to have your annual employee manual If you started in like September then by the end of the summer it would be approved We've also I'm not sure it was done previously where we tell the employees ahead of time of what their new stuff will be I'd like to change that if we could most companies do that So when I sign up I know right what I'm picking I know exactly exactly what's going to be taken out of my paycheck come January 1, like the system that we have for our benefits. So whatever health care I pick, I know right away what the impact is on my paycheck. Well, all of my employers that I've worked for, including now my employer, now, we have an open enrollment. Right. So there's a webinar that you can join in like they do a webinar and they do it like multiple times. So they have like maybe three or four dates and they'll say you can join any of these webinars at this time and they go over every benefit that's available to every employee with the prices are how they work blah blah blah whatever packages we through, and then the employees can go away and make their decisions, and if they have questions, they give them, like at my last employer, they use Kelly. So if we had questions, everything was done through the Kelly portal, and Kelly took care of everything. So whoever you have here that's doing all the stuff, they wouldn't have to worry about that anymore. Their job would probably be just coordinating Kelly coming in to do the webinar or whatever and then Kelly does everything through their portal. I don't have the help. Um, you know right away though what your bill is gonna be? Yes. You're healthcare. Right. So you know what you're talking about what your impact is gonna be. Right. So you got to go to the webinar and you'll tell you like the difference between this plan and this plan is this or you know If you're an inductable is going to be this or that they break all of that down the You can go to the webinar and you'll tell you like the difference between this plan and this plan is this or if you're an deductible it's gonna be this or that. They break all of that down the questions that somebody might have, because not everybody's on that level where they know what it is and the benefit cards and if you're gonna offer, like I mean for the employer I used to work for, like they offered pet insurance and all that kind of stuff. So like if you're offering that kind of stuff, they're giving you a rundown to all the benefits and what it looks like and if you offer the 401k plan, they have that company come in and talk about the 401k plan with the match looks like they have like the coordinators come in and they can talk about, you know, this is how much at your age you should be putting in to be able to retire comfortably. So that's one of the benefits with going with them. Like the this small over 10 on paying 200 K a year for health insurance. It blows my mind. We don't even need. I was, I was just being nosy and just talking in somebody in the insurance in the retirement plane plane was like why is a town that small in the state retirement system why whose idea was that I was like I didn't know idea but my idea it was mine oh my god oh my god I was on the council and my god well that's true that was almost. That was almost one year ago. Uh-huh. Yeah, I'm just saying. Why don't you put your age out there? I'm gonna have to be joining her. But she still look good. Thank you. And honestly, we did the state retirement at that time as a way to be able to keep our police officers, and to keep our employees. We were not competitive. We were not competitive to be able to keep those positions still. So that was one of the reasons why we looked into the state retirement was to be able to keep our police officers. During that time, that's back when it was state neighborhoods. We had a lot of crime. We had a lot of things going and their police force needed to be fully set. So that was one of the reasons why we went back to bad times and Charms rates were a lot cheaper so nobody did the procurement to shop around to see if we were still getting the bang for a dollar. Well insurance is different than retirement right so right but we do I think we do the state retirement system of why run state retirement system a lot of where in the state health care system that worked there. Right. I think we do use that. The state retirement system of why runs state retirement system. Well, a lot of people are in the state. Healthcare system. I don't know. As the police commissioner, I worked very closely with Donald Nagel, with Nalchi's gasser. We were doing a lot of things. And one of the things that we really needed to do was to keep our first apartment. and we were not competitive to be able to compete. We were hiring people, we were training people, and people were leaving very quickly. So that was one of the reasons why we did sacred time. Yeah, so one of the things I did was figure out for the purposes of that would be right now, and I'm not sure how true this is what I understand. I did not verify it was to be fully invested, you'd have to be for 10 years. Right, is a 10 year limit. Yes. So gas are already gets retirement. Okay. And he's over the 10 year mark. The only other officer is McNeil. And see, let's see here's another piece. But back then was a 401K. Like if I might be a bank for the town's office 401K, because they would contribute less. But if you left, you had options to take your money, your retirement with you. Let's see, because old people also, we didn't leave. Like that was the thought of your longevity, your coming line. This is a career move. This is a, you know, that was the fault of my money. But now when you look at different, you look at different police agencies, there's not very many of them outside of MSP that are actually in the state system. You look at Caroline County Sheriff, they're not in this state. When you're talking about not health insurance, I mean most of them being in there for health insurance, but when you talk about retirement, they're not even in the state. They have leaps, but even the ones that's not in leaps is not in the state retirement system. So you have to. So maybe I'm wrong, but I thought if the town is in the state retirement system, you have no option. You have to be in the state retirement. I would have preferred to not go into the state retirement system, but according to what I read, if I'm budgeted for over 500 hours a year, I have to go in. Well, even when I was part of time, I was still over 500 hours. So, and maybe I'm confused about that. But I thought it was mandatory that you enter the state retirement. Me personally, I would have preferred not to do that and kept my money here, but it's not else. So a different sort of... We do have a coordinator. We have a coordinator with the state of Maryland that could talk to you about the actual retirement and about the actual health benefits and if we want it to leave and all of that. And I think... Well, the only. And then you said something about the health insurance. Well, the health insurance we can't do anything until but I think but we can start We need to start shopping around But retirement With with that the effect of July 1 because I like I'm doing a tomorrow I'm doing a what do they call I don't know a virtual thing webinar retirement No like a lunch and learn Yeah, they call it some key. I'm sorry. They call it something. I'm doing it tomorrow and it Like a luncheon learned from them. Yeah, they called it some, yeah, I'm sorry. They called it something. I'm doing it tomorrow. And it said something about like fiscal year 26. So in my mind, the retirement part might come up sooner than the health insurance part. So I was going to listen in on that sandy pool that right now, what I was told, but not I'm not sure. the required contribution from the town is 10.24%. When she looked at the new rates, there was no 10.24% when she looked at the new rates. There was no 10.24% of the rate. It's higher. It's like, it's way higher. It's like 13.14%. Well, plus we also pay payroll taxes. So now we're at over 20%. I'm just, to me, the insurance, I don't know. For the average, we should have have get to it my work pays 7% to the state retirement for me But you gotta look at your your work that's what I'm saying totally different. No, I get that They're in a different brand maybe we are talking about when you're talking about the Accounting no no no no no, I am in the state pension. I. I am in the state for time. Right. But they have tears. Yes. They have tears. Maybe the education system is the education system is in a different tier than a municipal government would be. Right. Because we're a municipal government. We're in a higher tier and we have higher rate. OK. So she said it makes sense. 13.444. There you are. Which means the amount we pay last year would be way higher this year. Okay. And that is something I personally would consider. And I being personal about it because I don't want to be in state retirement. But if we only have two employees that are in the state system, what is it going to do? Oh no, all the employees are in. Those two are just the vested. They're all, yes. Yeah, everybody is in it because it it wasn't optional we have two that are currently collecting retirement that aren't contributing so everyone else is for me we have one part time guy who's less than 10 hours a week so he's not in it but everyone else is forced to be in it and then my point was we really only have two employees that are over the 20 years, over the 10 years. That are the best. That are the best. Everyone is three years or less except Jeremy. And then even at the police department, you have the one that's about 24 years and then you have a five year in a six year. The rest of them are newbies. So it's kind of, you know, I don't know. And I don't know if maybe you send out a questionnaire to the employees to see what they want to do. If you ask me and this is me very very personally as Mercedes-Benz lawyer, I don't know and I don't know if maybe you send out a questionnaire to the employees to see what they want to do If you ask me and this is me very very personally as Mercedes-Benz lawyer, I don't want to be in the state I just think that the state kept rolling us over into Rolling us over into that premium premium premium and we never really went and compared crisis to say hey We can't afford this no longer no longer. Like this is outside of our budget. This is not what we can. And that's why I said we should really talk to the coordinator who's our coordinator for benefits through the state and find out what our options are because at this point, while yes, employees are going to say, you know, we want to keep the state benefits or whatever, but are you willing to keep those benefits or would you be willing to go somewhere and get something Similar for us paying a lesser price to get more money in our budget so that we can try and pay you raises and pay you adequately Like you have to pick and choose your poison here So and that's that's that's where I'm coming from because I've been sending it sitting here since October saying our employees need to get some raises here They do good work. Let's pay them so if we're paying it dumping all this money into insurance that we can go somewhere I can get for cheaper than I think right Young Brandy's bit? Well, I did look it up. So state, for example, for me, I've only been in it for like three months because I waited as long as possible. But I can cash it out and roll it over to the house. They always give you the option to roll over to something else if you lose all that much. That was the part I had the hardest time with was that if I did not make any plans to stay here 10 years, sorry. Okay, we kind of covered employee him, but health insurance retirement, budget discussion, we did not, we have not even touched that. I just, I have a question about the budget, and I know we're not gonna get to what we, because we packed everything before the budget, and I just, I feel like the budget is dragging along, like red the read of a snail's snite. And I'm not happy about it, but I guess I ain't got no choice but to be unless I do it myself. But you answer some of my questions Mercedes, but I have a question in regards to one there on that budget. It was one you didn't answer. It says we have a computer consultant that we pay $10,000 for Is this computer consultant? I don't think I so what I've seen with the budget is the line items aren't really as like the line item Title is not accurate. I assume the computer consultant is our IT company But then we have a whole another line for IT So it's like all of these different line items and I tried to make one reason with which you were saying about is split across and it doesn't even make sense even trying to know you know how you say certain calls were split across different departments. Namely for the employees so like for example her salary. Right, I get that. I get that. I got that. The main thing would be even expenses, for example, Sherry, her salary, right, I get that. I get that. I got that. The main thing would be even expenses. For example, certain things, it mainly it's a business department probably would be sort of every, like a phone bill, right? If you 50, two or 50 water. And I mean, I get that's not completely accurate. That was like the simplest way they could do it. Right. And I get all of that. I got that. But I was just talking about like even I was just thinking in since in terms of like computer consultant That amount of money and then I'm like, well, is this the IT person because then we have the line line item for IT person too. So that was where the questions I would say and like, well, who is the computer consultant and who is the IT person? I know on the IT person, you said you did... The budget that you sent me that I put all those questions in. And you were answering it was posted online. Yeah, right. You were answering the questions. Is that the future one or the... It would be the same one, because it's the line item. So what my question would be to that is that would it be possible to get the export out of QuickBooks of what specific checks versus such invoices were paid out of certain budget account? But you can't trust it. Well, she's going back and fixed 300 entries. But what a better idea of what was paid all, but we have, we came to the conclusion, though, that they were paying everything out of everywhere within the system. They didn't have a rhyme or reason to where they were pulling the money from. And my exact words were personal perception. Was it seemed like a bid might have put a number down or Ryan, but then Christie thought it belonged somewhere else. So, right. so that was part of it. I think some of the title changes would help with that, where I think we've just rolled over old budgets and never corrected it. And I was trying to make Rommere reason based off of the other email you sent, where you did the little budget packet where you were trying to expand out each line item to say this, this, this, and what's going to be paid. I tried to make wrong a reason. So some of that stuff. Nothing clear nothing in this have I done. I have not done any of this. So when you say you did this I shared with you what I was given. I did not do anything. I would love to do it to do stuff with it. I had a very big plan today and it sounded like what Kim asked for was like, if it's 1103120, let's see which vendors were paid 1103210 so we can see. I will say I need to meet with all the supervisors. I did learn different things so I sat with a bin and brine the one day and we have let's say we have a and he said his name so I guess it doesn't matter. We use Hills Electric at a link would and in my mind Hills Electric should have a certain code item like a whatever that's called code number but when we were talking they used a different one and I said can you explain this there's a post it in jane's office that says why does Hill have two code numbers right so the way they explained it, sometimes you call Hills for just a pump rebuild, but sometimes you call them when it's an emergency situation. So if it's a regular pump rebuild, it goes in this category, but if it's an emergency pump rebuild, it goes in this category. So is that the right way to like, to me, really a big sewer sewer department you have the wastewater treatment plant You have pump stations and then you have underground infrastructure, right? So like if it's an in in emergency with the underground infrastructure Should that be like a subcategory so we understand that that is and I don't know anything about government budgeting But two people just shook their head.guests. Well, I mean, this is what I do every day, and this is why I struggle so much with why is this so difficult to put one in one together? And this is why I struggle with this budget and it being so inadequate. And it's incorrect in the way it's being handled is incorrect. And that's why I've been streaming like we need to get this together. It is so piecemeal together and it makes no rhyme or reason to what comes out of what line item. And I can't deal. I can't deal. And it's like for me on the level of government that I work on and we have to hold people accountable down to the penny and to see this much waste on our budgets and our budget line items and for it to be this way, it blows me away that there's no accountability. Like there's no way I could possibly set up here another year and say I'm okay with this budget. I know it's not your fault and you know I told you it's not your fault. I know you just got here but what I'm saying is that I feel We are middle of March getting ready to go into April. We're getting ready to run up into the same situation we did last year where we're going to be throwing a budget and it's going to be like we need to approve this so we could pay bills that's where I'm at and that's why I asked the last meeting can we start getting pieces of this budget so that we can start working on it and breaking it down to what it is. I don't know what the answer is or the solution is if we have to have some virtual meetings as the council to start working on this budget but what I do know is we can't go another week without just you know just waiting and just waiting and just waiting because that to me is not being physically responsible at all. That's not fiscally responsible. We still, I haven't seen another, I haven't seen another financial report. And again, we're supposed to be getting these breakdowns. It's the 15th of the month and I haven't seen that. Coordinate to the charter, we're supposed to be getting financial reports on the 15th of each month. That's not here. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is and I just feel like is Lucy Goosey to Lucy Goosey for me to be playing around with people's money. My money. Y'all know how I don't know what the answer is, and I just feel like it's Lucy Goosey. Too Lucy Goosey for me to be playing around with people's money. My money, y'all know how I feel about my water bill. It's too Lucy Goosey, and I think we need to tighten it up. And I mean, there's too many, like, oh, well, there's no wrong reason. It's just too many excuses as to why. and it shouldn't be excuses when you're playing with money. I mean to me I'd like to know what was emergency versus non-emergency. That's what we as the council should be setting as what's allowable versus excuses when you're playing with money. I mean to me, I'd like to know what was emergency versus non-emergency. Like that's what we as the council should be setting as what's allowable versus not allowable. Well, I mean, oracle we're spending. Like it's hard to, I mean, I'll give you a example. It was $60,000 for that replacement the other day that night. No, no, no, no, no, no, oh, sorry. When I said the 60,000, it was about the repair bill at the loop that you still have. Oh, oh, oh, yes. Oh, that was 60,000. Oh, no, okay. So that was, I mean, still there they are, they take money. And like whether it's an emergency or whether it's a non-emergency, it still takes money. But I would like to know how much we spend in emergency is versus planning or pump maintenance. Right? If we are not doing our pump maintenance and we have cost ourselves extra money because we've had to pay for expedited service because we didn't want to say that in my mind. There should be three categories for wastewater treatment so that you can know exactly which is which because we can make all the memos we want on checks but unless you go check check by check, you don't know. So is it changing that category, just like no different than water treatment, there are wells and then there's infrastructure under the ground. So last two weeks ago, the issue was water leak. So that should have been under emergency water leak. I don't know like some of them and I you've rolled it up. There's a life insurance number one, kind of, right? Not the others. It's $5,000 or the other way I saw those, kind of odd, is $4,000 in uniforms for maintenance. It's kind of like, all right, well, no, events, don't you guys have uniforms, but like, are we talking like just a yellow shirt that has some sticky stuff on it? you know how much she does actually cause and why is it in there you know. Well but where was that in there? You know, but where was that? Because then, er, it has a separate department than a bid in them. Then a bid in them served in a form to be to the department. So a lot of it could also be uniform. And it's not. But we're saying he's not uniform. So I'm a uniform standard. In my mind, I would be just like, for me, if this was presented to me in my current job, I would say scrap this entire budget and start over from scratch. That's what I would say, because it's wrong. I mean, I can go from page one to the last page. And as you saw, I had like 40, 50-something questions. And I still have it. No, some of them didn't. You did. We were chatting back and forth. You did answer something. But what I'm saying is. You saw I had like 40, 50, some questions. And I still have. And did a good job answer. No, some of them didn't. You did. You did. We were chatting back and forth. You did answer some. But what I'm saying is that if someone can at glance, just look at your budget and come up with that many questions, that many. I'm sorry. It's not. I'm just saying. I'm saying. the royal you are sorry our budget and say and have that many questions about why is this and that and there's no rhyme or reason to it you look at our budget and say and have that many questions about why is this and that and there's no rhyme or reason to it. You look at other budgets and other towns, you look at other agencies, other governmental agencies, when you look at a budget, guess what? When you see when you see hired services over to the side, it's telling you hard services include cleaning, grass cutting, this, that that. And so when you go to reconcile the, when you come and bring counsel to invoices, we can look and see all the invoices that we have in front of us actually should have been taken out of there. We have no idea what hard services are, like water like tower and maintenance. That's $10,000. Like, what is that? It's actually 40. Oh, it was, I seen 10 on the one budget that I was looking at. I've seen, I wrote down $10,000 or, because I just saw that bill. It's paid quarterly and it's $10,250. So it is 41. Is that just a light? So is that? No, no, no, no. They clean it out. That actually is like the water. That is like For years they didn't do the water towers like right today Did he scale it they check for rod and sprint out Mercedes? I'm sorry. I just I just made notes on my notebook And I'm sorry I could tell you the line items The number is the line item I believe me I know you did I'm just But that would be my suggestion is to strap My baby Jamie can answer this and I told her I will put her on the spot but I did have a question. So in my mom who use QuickBooks. Me personally, I feel like because how this QuickBooks work, you have all these different code items. So we're working on a current year, then you have a future year. So on July 1st, she should add in all the new codes and change all the names of them. So what do you do? Because you're shaking your head. So, sir, I'm 20. No, keep that fine. So what do you do? Do you put new new numbers in? So like if we use 1, 1, 0, 3, 1, 2, 0, this says town office dash supplies. It's always that thing. But we decide we want to change the name of it. You just changed it. But in this fiscal year, it's called this. So imagine this budget, the next fiscal year would be your budget. I think because of an audit, you would have to, you would just need to check with general. Well, that's what I mean. That's what accounting practices would be. Firstly, I don't, I would do it several years to avoid the confusion, but I don't know how do you make a drastic change because that's what you, I'm saying you should do it too. But it would be almost like you said, you scrapped the whole thing But we also have to use this until June 30th. This is what was approved that is correct So then on July 1st a new one would start which potentially would have a lot of things changed the name wise a lot of the Coats may be different but she's using a quick folks that has 15 years of codes in it. But that's why we got like 5,000 different line items on our budget. I agree with you. And if in fiscal year 26 we're starting over from we're going to scrap that and do a new budget. I mean, how do you track QuickBooks because you have to keep all of those things? If if you keep the name, if you keep the title, let's say the same. Let's say you're, if you're keeping the line item and you're not deleting the entire line item, you're keeping the line item the same and the title the same. And all you're doing is just expanding out what goes in there or you're adding a subsection. just's just say for example, line item number 20. And you're seeing under line item number 20, that's wastewater, emergencies or whatever. And then line 20.1 is emergencies. 20.2 is non-emergencies. And for non-emergencies, $500 for emergencies is $500 allocated out of it. However, you're going to break it down with your sub. I don't know how you're going to number it. But that's what I'm saying. You can keep the titles, but then you just add sub sections under the title. So like you made a point when you were messaging back for your old Mercedes, they should be combined. Correct. And by them, the titles that that changes the name of it, It's going to change your budget though because guess what? It no longer exists. If you combine something that's in police. For last fiscal year, it was called something different on the budget. That's what I'm trying to figure out is, do we? I, in my mind, do we just start with a brand new budget? Have all brand new numbers, right? I see. Is that the only way? but you also have 15 years of old numbers and women books. But can't you save those as historical documents within quick books and start over? The man is like, how can you track the history of those footnotes? But don't you have copies of the old budgets? But if you're making something brand new, you can't compare apples to oranges. What I would suggest, because the way you're talking is called a chart of accounts. So you have to keep detailed records of what accounts it was and then where you moved it. The new name and if you decide a new number but... it was called a chart of accounts. So you have to keep detailed records of what accounts it was and then where you've moved it. The new name, and if you decide a new number, but like she said, for her historic data to compare, that's what I'm trying to just sort of be able to keep it so it's Apple's and Apple's. But you just, what it is is detailed records. We don't have to leave it, I guess. The notes. make sure that we put it in the voices and everything that you've got to do to that category. Right. So light. I know it's crazy. Yeah. Right. So that's what I mean. So like, I am not against doing a brand new budget. But it's almost like you have to do brand new numbers for everything. But I think you're so meticulous that you could actually compare. Like, hey, for line item one, this line item is that, but now it's this. It's kind of like just creating a comparison. Do you know you know what I call them a and then I'm down If it was me I would like create a new company for each fiscal year like and and and maybe I doubt that's allowed But it would be almost like you start fresh every when new numbers new We do in accounting you close out the books books and certain numbers get moved to other accounts. And then it's a brand new, fresh books. So, if that does happen, but when you search, so for example, we do anabills. So, when you search for the code number, all the giant list of code numbers still pop up. So, you're saying if we close it, we would have a... So, when you're looking at it, it says, you can change the filters to look at it by four or five years. So, doesn't do it by fiscal year. So, it sounds like Jamie knows exactly what we're doing. Oh, Jamie knows you. So, maybe we get some reports, try to get it and then schedule an extra budget workshop, just strictly budget that is all we do, right? is that night after, you know, let Jamie or say, let Jamie dig into it, see what we can extract out to see what falls under what and then just have like one night for budget and that's the only thing that's on the docket. So this is years and years and years. Well, it's, I'm not gonna say that. This is just working on one from July 1st to come in. So because some stuff hasn't been put in since November or some stuff wasn't since January. So and then I did some stuff. So I know how to pay bills and stuff but I don't do anything else. Yeah, so like it would be and she also has to stay current with her work and work on our current budget plus the future budget. So I needed Jane need to start like two months ago, but she started today. And like I said, she's done a ton of stuff, but it's like there's one more thing and then there's one more thing and then it's the right holes and the, you know, and it could be honestly she's probably gonna end up fixing some of my mistakes too because I I enter bills and I pay bills but I thought they may have been in the right category but what if I didn't put the metal line and she needs to go back and double check that to make sure we have you know so it's it's gonna be a yeah but I to me I feel like we should just start over with new code numbers new Tygels, but I know that would be difficult. You can't do it like I'm not sure I mean am I opinion I still think that like a bid should have his own little book with code so that when he is In your actions and here right so his code he should have a sheet a cheat sheet So when he is sending invoices he can can actually do that. When did you get your cheat sheet when I started? Absolutely. And that's the thing. And then she has her cheat sheet at her desk or whatever. She knows what can be paid out of what line items or whatever, what's allowed and not allowed. And I think that should be. The issue was, OK, we come up with something. Oh, that was just an example. I'm not saying it, it was just an example. In the budget, we want to put that item, but in which category choose gold, there is no money for that category. Right, but that should be, that should be, that comes in where the treasurer should be made order. Town manager in conjunction with the treasurer should be monitoring the expenditures in each line item. And they should be telling you at the end of quarter one,'ve expended 25% of your money. That's a lie to they should be giving you updates And when it's gone is gone. I mean you have to budget your money for your department So if you're overspending and you're not following the purchase manual like we have in comparing prices and getting the cheapest quote is no longer we're gonna pull money from way over here to help you hear because it can't do that because that's why we're wasting money man. We have to You were never told how much money you spent. Gotcha You're asking me like, can you go and I have no clue what can we do? We are saying, what is money? That makes sense. Oh, you were never told how much money you spent. Gotcha. You were asking me like, can you go and I have no clue like, what can you go and we are paying for money? That makes sense. And that's just, Bill, how much we are paying for money? Like, I would how much we are paying for the job. So I don't have any other money. You're asking me because I have no clue. But you will now. I'll stand. OK. Okay. Okay. So we're going to be going Well, I think we need to schedule just like a strict like a budget. Yeah. Yeah. I wish everybody to the first of the month on anyone come to workshop. I mean, public can come absolutely, but no agenda. No other agenda item except the budget. At our first regular meeting? No, at your workshop. So that means, no, that's a month out. That's a week too close. What do you want? What do you want? So do you want to meet me? So right now, this month and the month of March, I have four evening meetings, one per week. So you told me, and I'm being very honest with you, I did not want to be salary. I did not put in my rate to be salary and it was, you're not paying me over time, you want me to get coped on. and I'm being very honest with you, I did not wanna be salary, I did not put in my rate to be salary, and it was, you're not paying me over time, you want me to get a comp time. I do not do that because I do not work for great, and I do not think I'll ever be able to use my comp time. So I work as close to 40 hours as possible. I will meet with you weekly, I mean, if you choice to be kind of here, but if I'm not here during the day, it's because I'm meeting with you. And you think that I'm working four hours a week. So I'm thinking like the April first meeting instead of it's so you're going to shift that to a budget not a day. Sure. Why not? Okay. I mean, I don't think we have anything that then that gives them two weeks to get the books together, go through some stuff, and in two weeks we'll have a better idea of hopefully Jamial of dug-in. Yeah, Jamie can get overtime. Yeah, but she'll have dug in and be able to get us some reports of what comes out A line item and if we do just budget then any other business can be rolled to the There's the budget support over done. Do we have that author there was a freeze on over come you You just said she could do that. I just want to make sure before we start getting female. Over time and then in the admin so but she was told she would not get over time when she was hired except for me. Okay. I know I mean I'm gonna just said this. I was over time in the budget. Yes there was but it's gone. It was used by a previous employee. Okay. Okay so are you guys okay with doing the first meeting of April instead of being our regularly scheduled business meeting? It will be strictly budget workshop With us getting stuff Correct which we just told two sentence. Well, I mean, but we're still the April 17th meeting is still before her reals, the trails. Twenty. The 26, right? Right. She, her thing is the 26. That's fine. Her thing is that side, right? The same day as our spring fest. No, spring fest is on the side. The 26. The 26 is on the side. The 27. Yeah, but we're not. She just wanted a proclamation that's a trail day. It's a national trail day. Yeah, yeah, didn't overlap with that. So in preparation for this. Yeah, but we're not she just wanted She ordered a proclamation that's a trail day. It's a national trail. Say yeah, yeah, didn't overlap with that So in preparation for this meeting Mercedes is it possible that we can get wish list from each of the departments of what they need I know we don't have money, but wish list of what they're most needed About that so I think part of Eric's wish list is all this painting stuff that he'd like to do. They were pretty nicely. I'm saying right. You can write that. That's the truth. There was something about New Truck, New Digger, New Whatever. Sure. Well, many, many, many other weird work. The big backhoe, Minimide, the dammit that you're doing. You take a big bucket, you start digging a hole, you're like, oh, it's not there. It's not there. It's too big. You've got to dig a big hole. No, no, no, so we're in the beginning. It's too big. And then the picture drops the whole facet in it. The whole facet is 24. Don't hold the word. So July 1, 24 is the three of your heaven. It sounds like the same thing I've been saying for two months, I've been trying to do which is a very figure out what's all about. So this and then potentially my dears are looking for the job. It sounds like the same thing I've been saying for two months, I've been trying to do it, which is a very figure out what you're at to this and then potentially ideas. Okay, so are you guys okay with that? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay, next by Centennial Discussion. What about it? I have brought it. So there are that money that comes from historical society. So can it be used for anything particular? So we still have to buy benches out of it. There are I think five benches that we have to buy out of it. We got pricing on a couple of different benures. I have to look to see what else needs to be bought out of it. OK, so there are more or buy some pieces or purchases. Oh, OK. Oh, right now. OK. I mean, there are some. Once we close those out, then we can see what else we have left to use it for. OK. And then also, the marshy hope. Is it town for the dawn or is it town in the lines club? The man is on the marshy home. So it is a, the town is the host. The town does not give any money for it. So we do fundraising through the lines club. We do the fundraising because the town does not have a fundraising arm. And then the Lions Club paid the winners, which I have to get an invoice back because this past year I did get a $3,500 grant to pay for the awards and to pay for the costumes. So I have to get you guys that. But we got a $ got a 35 hundred dollar grant from DNR for that. So that was for the issue. Correct. Okay. So the issue coming up, we have to, we would have to reapply for another grant. But I generally all the money that's used at Madison, Marche hope is that either it is either a grant, last year the grant from DNR paid for the prize money and previously in the past the entries fees paid for the prize money and then we did solicitations for donations to help cover anything else that was run that day. So hand Don Teig, he's doing that billed again. Mm-hmm, the main for life. So, is it for more equipment or what's the problem? So they're working on a floor. So they are not, they're not gonna do the, they're not doing the big equipment. It would be like flooring, it would be yoga mats, it would be weights. Okay. So that stretchy bands, help paper and instructor. That's where the activity center. Right. Yeah. So it just wouldn't be, they didn't want to tie up that room with big heavy equipment. But if we can pay for instructors to run classes, we can pay for exercise balls or dumb bells or weights or the exercise bands. Yoga doesn't cause, you don't need anything to do yoga just a mat. So those are the things that that money will go towards. I'm not going to ask the activity center. Yes. So I guess my question is, it's still being advertised as build a gym. Build a gym. No. I paid the money last year. Did that money go to the activity center? So it is yes. So they're don't take it. Don't take us working with them. I think the floor was scheduled to come in. They had got a bunch of equipment, but they did not want the large equipment. They were worried about the kids. So I believe it's going for the flooring. I'm not sure when the flooring was going in. They were putting in a rubber mat flooring, and then they were buying the dumbbells, like the... I believe it's going for the flooring. I'm not sure when the flooring was going in. They were putting in a rubber mat flooring. And then they were buying the dumbbells. I think there was a rack to put in the closet for the exercise equipment. So it's just not a gym full of exercise equipment, but it would be exercise equipment that can be utilized not in a physical gym area. I asked the question on Facebook because Mr. Ron James last year at the open house, when I said, oh, this is where the gym is and he says, well, that's not been determined yet. And he was adamant that that was not going to happen. So then I talked to not Stanford David and he said, yeah, we're not going to do the big gym and he shared a little bit more I think that The Facebook thing and the let's build a gym. I think that needs to be fixed to not be build a gym No, we'll talk the day about try I think it's the three years in a row It's been the same thing and it's kind of rebranding it when it's more like exercise equipment, not a gym. Like I got what you're saying. Because when people think of a gym, you think of a planet fitness, and you're going into a gym. But also, if it doesn't have anything to do with your. Right. The whole town is a co-host. Yeah. So, I don't know what that means. So, we're a co-host of the event because we want people to exercise in town. Right? So, the event. I don't know. No, I do have a question. The question is, Pam has been, I did not cut her the check and she's been asking. Am I really to cut the check? Do we got the money? Yes, that was in the budget and we voted on that the last meeting. I was just asking, Do we have the money? Yes, that was in the budget and we voted on that the last meeting. I was just asking, do we still have money? Well, you already kind of agreed, so you really can't back out. It would be the future budget, but I want a clarification. I can cut them to check. They gave us the invoices. We cut them to check to them. They spend it on. We have the M-m-u. Yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry, I didn't when you said it. Sorry, no, no, no, no. I thought you were saying M-m-u. I didn't say it. I didn't when you said sorry. No, no, no. I was the I thought you were saying among you. I didn't. So they do with all I just want to clarify. I can cut the check. Okay. So what happened to all that? Did they gem stuff that was in the activity center? I don't know. It was all donated. Nothing was purchased with the money. It was stuff that don't they had to Yeah. Either he took it back or they put it in the storage unit for a later purpose. I'm not sure. So I know where it was. There was nothing that can go out like. I'm. No, it would be it wouldn't be external. I have to stop. OK, so next we have public comment. She's very strong. I'm sure it really puts all my downcasts on that. Yeah, you need to be focused. I'm going to be a journalist. I'm going to be a drag. Heather Harding, 309 Green Ridge Road. Keeping Green Ridge alive. Thank you, Brandy. listening to the whole conversation about who's doing what and where and who's going to pay what. My only concern, I do want my pot holes fixed, especially if they could do something in the time being, because it really does beat you today. And we have large chunks of asphalt that are coming up now. There was a nice thing to chunk that with somebody kind of bunch of doors. You did. I told him I had it for him. But my other question is the infrastructure underneath, because that's been the whole conversation. Yeah, I know. And that was 20 years ago when I sat in your seat. We know that that road hasn't been touched in 50 years. I think it is. So as much as I want it fixed I also want to make sure that we do it well. I know that my sewer line going out to the road was Orangeburg and in the road is Tarakata. So who knows what that looks like now. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. You want to replace your road to then I'll have a fight first. I'll have to screw the entire project up. It's exactly right. It is. It is what keeps calling it. And I have sat here, right? This is a thank list. So here's the whole public comment. This is a thank list job, right? Because when you have a problem, everybody's going to be in your face. When you do something good, it's crickets. So I totally understand that. I understand what all of you, what everybody here has had to deal with, even as employees. But at the same time, I don't want you to throw good money after bed, even though I do want my road fix. Right, so I'm going to stand here and I'll say this to my neighbors also that I stood here and said this, that I really want you to make sure that what we do is going to be a lasting fix because it's my tax dollars. Right? And I own my home, so y'all are stuck with me. Like I'm not selling. Right? So I'm going to make sure you're saying it. At this point. But we do have to do something in the interim. And I understand we don't want a cold patch. And I agree with them. You can cold patch everything to the end. But we've got some hot holes now that are tiredly. That somebody's going to get. Kirk and Axel. Not Kirk or Enkel. Axel. Axel. Not an ankle. Oh, I'm getting a sacrilege. Axel. Somebody already said that their car had some damage because of green with green ridge. So I'm asking you all to let's come up with something. Let's come up with something that's going to, At least patch it to make it possible and not spend a... Can I give a little speech? Yes, sir. I read all this stuff online too. Oh my gosh, we need a grant writer. We need a grant writer. And I've studied here before and out. And we were here. I am a grant writer. There are... And I've looked for grants for it. There are no pay-your-bill grants as not a thing. And right now, it seems like and the research that I've looked for grants for it. There are no pay-your-build grants as not a thing. And right now it seems like, and the research that I've done, the problem that we're having is nobody cares about our side streets. And that's essentially what Green Ridge is, unfortunately. I had one guy telling me what's the big deal? Just put a bus lane in it and know they for it. But they won't pay for the infrastructure. So it's like, it's not from a lack of trying or lack of researching or lack of it. I don't know, I really don't have a solution and I don't know because like Randy said, you want them to fix everything. Well, what if Greenbridge, to do the infrastructure, the roads, the curves, the side? I mean, what if that's $4 or $5 million? So it's going to gonna be difficult, but I do wanna let people know the things that they know all about grants and all that stuff. You don't know what you're talking about. There are no bill paint grants. There aren't like, that's not a thing. There are no legal expense paint grants. It just, and a lot of grants, and I'll use, let me use the Marina parking lot as the perfect example. So let's say just the parking lot might cost 20 grand to fix it, right? Like paid it, 20 grand. Okay. Well, you get a grant for it, so it's a matching grant. And then when you go for the grant money, then you have to get engineers. And your engineers have to look at it. And then you have to do the RFPs and get lawyers involved and get all that stuff involved. So then your Marina parking lot project ends up being $100,000. The town still has to contribute 20 towards it. And you know what I mean? So it's it's stankless. And if I did find money to pay for the Marina parking lot, if we had been able to do that, it didn't work out. But they want to do the lane to be parking lot. Then they wanted to raise it up six inches so that it did flood and they wasted their money and I said well what happens to the lane then? Because now your lane's like this and then it goes like this it's motor speedway people like jump in you know and then he's like oh we'll do the lane okay great awesome you talked to him again again we're not doing the lane anymore so it that part is fendless it's not from a lack trying or a lack of, it's just a lack of onlineings is really the, is that what my think was with the, what your saying is correct, but the the the engineering piece of it, I felt like, I felt kind of like I agreed with Toby when when he was here and what he said was that those Quotes were highly inflated as you saw what Brooklyn was the rest of Because Brooklyn didn't need any infrastructure We went with a we we were going with firms that were larger We weren't looking into seeing what a smaller firm or a smaller business. A local business to do the work. To do what worked, the paving the work. No, it's the infrastructure repair that the, the, the proposals that we got. What I would, to do like for Brooklyn, we had the one price, I guess, that was years old. I think GMB did that and it was like, it was $100,000.000. And what right. So it's always that was why don't we go to somebody local and see how much it would show we they would charge us to do this when he went there. The cost was almost what, $200,000.000 less. but the other ones were not eaten. So it was almost like the opposite. So for some reason... was almost what, $200,000 or something? Right. But the other ones were not eaten. So it was almost like the opposite. So for some reason, Brooklyn was 800. It only cost 200. But they said part of Green Ridge is $56,000, which we don't think is true. Even I mean it is. It was all over the place. And I think it probably was a rushed proposal. So that's the same thing. To get an accurate proposal, you really have to spend the time on it. But engineers get paid when they do the work. They do, they get paid from the beginning. So even to start to get, try and get more accurate engineering done, it's gonna cost you money. So. I guess what I wanna say, just from my perspective is I just want to say I live there It's a mess. You had a great word earlier. I won't repeat it But at the same time at a time where we're pinching pennies and we're looking at our budget We don't want to spend $7,500 to rent a machine for one month when that road alone may take you a month. Does that make sense? That makes a lot of sense. Absolutely. Because that's $7,500 that could go towards what the true ultimate fix is going to be. And my neighbors are going to be mad and that's okay. But honestly, I would like to see that it gets fixed. Fixed. Does that make sense? Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah, that's wonderful. So, the problem with part of your potholes, I think, and the different times that I've talked to Eric, your road is so crumbly that if you fix a pothole, then everything around it becomes a pothole. Like, it's like a, yeah. And that's what's happening in front of my house now, asphalt literally, I mean we had chalked this big that something highly removed from the road and threw it in the front yard but it's literally this big about this big it's the road is like- I took a piece with my taxation and assessment to the to the hearing and said here's our roads it was that big um in the meantime we'll be able to take like some sand and steel plate and just throw it over the puddles At least that way we're not losing an axle like maybe you look at like the top 10 I understand that but I'm like I think Eric's Eric wouldn't be the true dig it up 10 inches do it properly I think part of their concern for Heather probably is is if we do pay the road, what if the infrastructure underneath starts carrying out. Right. You're digging up the good pavement. I mean I want to see it fix but I also don't want to waste it's my tax dollars. I don't want to waste my tax dollars. Maybe in the same situation. Two to three years down the road. I do need to say my thank you also to Chief Gasser for moving the speed camera. Is it stop right there? Thank you. Thank you. I'm looking for you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. There you go. Yeah. Hello. My name is Sabrina Berger-Turner. I'm a here as a voice for the voice list and the representing homeless and human as president CEO as well as the chair of the executive committee of the mid-shore behavioral health realm, cable on homelessness. Long before the federal government changed hands, people have been struggling to afford basic needs, people in our community cannot afford to live. They cannot afford their rent, their utilities, clothes, food, medicines, now cuts in federal funding or directly impacting our families even worse, exacerbating these financial struggles, job losses across major sectors on both the federal level and in the private sector, plus the removal of student loan payment plans, The removal of grants that uplifted marginalized people and promoted diversity equity inclusion are making things worse the cutting of fundings and programs for from HUD Medicaid Social Security Snap which is food stamps the cutting of one billion dollars in USDA funding from local Farms that purchases food for schools and food banks, which just recently happened. So with all of this in mind, we are requesting one, an Enviction Mortarium from the Town of Federal's Berk to protect further homelessness and displacement. It is within your abilities. Also, we are asking for the support in the development of something we are working on that's called propel providing real opportunity purchasing existing listings which we are working to implement with also in Connecticut my organization doesn't we're our offices right down the street but one miles away but we are the whole country so we are working with an elected in Connecticut on that. We're also, we started to form a coalition to create a universal basic income program that reallocates money from different funds and investors that we are speaking with. You're not asking for money asking for support. We're also seeking funding from the state of Maryland in their Maryland sales taxes. And we are, well, the coalition is being built in partnership with an existing program that people in Colorado who have made this, they did a five mill, bill, I'm sorry, I don't want to say the wrong word. A large number of money in universal basic income program that helps rehouse people and help stabilize lives. And so they are directly helping and working with us. They give us their blueprint and we're formulating it to work in Caroline County and then the local counties here. Currently, when you know, Robert has a donation drop on our first supplies that's at one of five South Main Street, but we are requesting that we put up a more visible donation drop off. So not just the small thing we ask people for clothes for shoes, not just food and small survival items. So we have the storage unit that is separate from this but we would like to have a bigger area where the donation drop off. It will be a small QR code that people could stand to get a tax receipt but there will also be a note that says the liability is on the person. Should they trip a ball nearby or bin? Then I would love to have a one-on-one meeting with you guys to we are developed, we would like you to develop a plan for the on-house during emergency weather and then other things to work on food security initiatives, emergency shelter, emergency rental and utility assistance. We have also requested some details or we will be with this paper. We did in the email, we were told we had to request it to make paper for information on just exactly how many people had our water shop this time so that we can hopefully prevent that from happening. There was an old lady, there's a person who's housing people and their water shop. So we were just asking your consideration and help with all these initiatives. Thank you. Thank you. In the future, so you can actually get on the docket as opposed to like doing the stuff at public comment. So I would recommend like if you have a presentation like that that you actually get as an own as an agenda item instead of public comment. Yeah, for sure. I saw that this time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have Mayor Council Action items. Councilwoman James. You skipped time. I know, while he's next on the list, they still put him second again. You want to go for her? No, the council. You have nothing at this time. I mean, other than... We did that the first time, so he wasn't the first time. Right, you're here now. Fix that, so that, yeah, so... Council Member Ferguson. Nothing at this time, but yeah, I'd really support the... The separate session for just a strictly budget to just get through it. I just got a couple things. The first thing is I don't when we're putting the minutes on online we're approving minutes and we're putting it online. I realized that historically when we put minutes online everything that Council got that was allowed to be put online was included with the minutes so it was the minute and these pocket packets that we we had in a recent there's nothing but it's just the minutes. So I was just wondering can we go back to include? So for example, you see how to cancel pocket, right? So all that stuff that you put together like previously we got one PDF with everything that was in there and that was posted. So if you go back to under town manager Doree, right, there was a packet. There was an agenda. And then there was a cancel packet. No, it was an agenda. One cancel packet. Council packet, which was everything that we got all together packages together on one PDF. And then there was the minutes and then there was the audio, right? So because those two didn't happen to laugh at the meeting, but the agenda and the council packet were given out to residents, it was posted online prior to the meeting. It's on the website of the meeting. Yeah, you go back to the old meeting. I was told that you guys like, I don't separately. So that's why I sent it to you separately. That's what I was told. If you want just one large agenda packet, that's fine. And you want the residents to see everything that you see. Is that what your felony is? So the stuff like the maps and the stuff that like the shore, the trail network. If you go back and look at some of some of the old stuff that Tom manager drew you would see it. And what we would get is we would get one one PDF with all the like it could be a 40-page PDF but then nobody had to go luck for anything during the meeting or had to go back to 15 emails. I was never asked how I liked it if he wanted be honest with you. No No, obviously you have the details. You actually asked to have it back the old way because it was easier. No, no, no, no, not you. Not you. But you. So I look at old ones to see how he has all the details. It's just easier when you're going to go to find something. It sounded like to me only certain things were printed for the public and certain things weren't printed for the public. But that is fine. Well it was posted online. Everything was not printed out anymore. Everything was printed online. So people literally could pull it up on their phones. They could go to the packet for this meeting and see the map online. As we're discussing like I don't number two dot one. So do you want both ways or just what you're me directly what you want just say what you want what do you mean like want to town of federal or right no you're saying you want 150 page packet right yes but print nothing for residents they can only look at it through their phones so so the 50 so the what we previously used to do is I don't if you print a few agendas, that's fine people can make notes. So now you're talking something different. But that's up to everybody else. No, I'm trying to clarify. What we used to do, was that we didn't print out a 500 page color thing because people could pull it up online, right? And if we could get a longer TV thing, we could actually display to the TVs what we're looking at and we can pull up the map. So you want to do that? Because I asked the IT God that. Yeah, that probably would be... longer TV thing we could actually display to the TVs what we're looking at and we can pull up the map. Do you want to do that? Because I asked the IT guy that. Yeah, that probably would be something. That would be impassive right from the laptop because I wonder if we shouldn't be putting zoom on the TVs. I'm just trying to verify. Yes, yes, yes. The 50 page packet on the website. Yes. For a couple of genders for residents. the 50 page package. Correct. So, you know extra stuff. Correct. Do you all agree with this? Okay. You guys get with that? Yup. a couple of genders for residents. Not the 50 page packets. So, no extra stuff. Correct. Do you all agree with this? Okay. You guys agree with that? Yes. Yes. We can ask if we can mirror past both of these. We can do the think pad. Okay. There's a casting. You can cast it. Which would be nice because then we can both up. And we can put the map on, right? everything that we're discussing if they don't want to put up on their phone right we can pull it up on the TVs. First up being chairs. Okay so that- Then we could put the map on right everything that we're discussing if they don't want to put up on their phone right we can pull it up on the TVs First up to being shared so okay, so back to my list cuz I want to get home So yeah, so I was just wondering why did it stop because I I felt like what we were looking at it I felt like why wasn't everybody else looking at it why would we only once looking at it then I want to I'm sorry, because now I'm in a way. Like, I apologize. Whoever's... Then I want to go into you all they can only look at it. They have a phone. I just want to point that out. Just say you know, okay. We're sadies. I'm sorry because now I'm in a way like I apologize to whoever's listening online. I don't think me. I have just been doing what I was supposed to be doing. I am. No, you are. I got 40. It was nothing on you. It was nothing. It's not doing what you were doing what you were trained to do you just ask him to be trained incorrectly which were Because Larry's way we had asked for it right so you're it's nothing wrong that you did you have not been But that what you were looking at was how Larry used to do it. Good point. And even before Larry too. Also prints the packet for three of you. Is she still supposed to do that? Absolutely. OK. So that's what I'm trying to clarify, exactly what you're doing. I think the whole, I think that whole, this whole thing just went hold left. because I think what I was asking you, it went left. What I was asking you was solely specific to the apps, the website, all I wanted what I was asking you it went left what I was asking you was solely specific to the apps the website all I wanted to know was for example why wasn't the trail document for this is just an example not I know it wasn't gonna be there today when the agenda goes when the agenda goes on there is just the agenda and then when the minutes are approved the minutes go on there nothing else so any presentation that comes in here is not attached with the minutes. What I'm saying is in the past, when Larry was here, even the tail manager, before Larry, they put the minutes, the agenda, and whatever, like, presentation pieces in that. That's why I asked you exactly. Right. That's what I was asking as far as the website. I'll do it, but if I didn't know what to do, I was asking why did it stop and why we're doing that. I couldn't care as to, like, if I didn't even know what you had to bring it out there on the table, because I don't even look at it when I walk in here. So I don't know. You do. For certain things, Sherry printed out. I specifically asked for the printouts because one, unless the town's going to reimburse me for my income paper, I'm not printed. I did not go I didn't my printer Put the entire package on the website So it's not on the web it can't be on Facebook. It's just the website then only the agenda for people coming in the door Right only the agenda. That's what you just told me and Sherry still prints the entire packet for three of you right yeah I guess so you told me this this is how it will be forever and so you tell me to stop or something over so right yeah okay and if you want it's not Sherry then whoever takes her blank Sherry still prints for it Sherry don't leave thank you Sherry thank you Thank you. The next thing that I have, and the next thing that I have is were you able to verify what the tax rate was? Kim had sent out the tax rate, and they had to for the town of Fatalsburg. And she said, I think I stand the paper locally,, we got. Did you know which one was the act? Did we call to the county tax office to verify which one was the correct one or no? No, I can't. I can call and do it. It's not a problem. No, I think I mean, I don't want to just the paper that she got is from the county tax office. So that would be the one that you, I believe that's the one But you replied to that and said there's two on here, but you didn't know which one I think it's the second one I must have missed the one that you replied to that and said there's two on here but you didn't know which one I think it's the second one. Before that. Yeah, I'm not what I received. I must have missed. I must have missed that one. Yeah, I don't. I must have missed. Whatever I got from the tax office. Got you. I was just wondering because if it was on our twice, I think it was the one. I don't know how to call people. I like stuff in print or I don't know why there are two on that Concentrate I did so if you I don't know why there are two on that You're good. You're good. You're great. I don't know why there's two on that, but I believe the second one is the one that we've used in the past, and I believe the second one is the one that matched the sheet that you got that you then emailed out. Which I think is one here, but even on like this is, it was like partially done. It's not completely done. It was partially done. No. But the one five 1.59 9228 I think is the one that was on that paper. So that's the one that was adjusted to this. No, was that the previous one? That's the previous one. And does that tax rate include the inventories that businesses play on their inventory taxes. What does that line item go to? So that looks like it's the $540,000. That is the personal property taxes. Personal property taxes. Which will vary from year to year because that's not based on assessments enough. So what they get when they file their taxes. Right. So Sherry, I asked her about how that is. She gives a huge packet. So it's based on when you follow your taxes, the state or the county state, state sends her something. So sometimes she'll create a tax bill and it might be for 22 but it's because they go two years late with their taxes. So sometimes it's not always just the current yeah so whatever she gets she creates it in voice and she nails it out to them. Okay. So I don't know how the, I guess we can look at previous years, but I don't know how to gauge that. I'm not sure. And did you ever find out what the deal was, what the truck that Toby was supposed to had sold to Preston Ford that we were? I know nothing about that. That was the one that we were talking about in the budget line item. you said I think that's the cell of the truck that Toby was doing and I said do we still have the truck that Toby was doing and I said do we still have the truck here or is it gone like what like that's what I was asking I don't know nothing so but what it had to go through you and nothing went through but I thought he was working with Lindsey on the cell of that truck that's why I was asking like is the truck still here that's why that was why inventory was on my list because we need to inventory of what we have have like where is the truck at? And that has to be included anyway in our auto for assets because that's listed as an asset even though it depreciates in value. I think. I would assume that we still have the truck that nothing happened to it because I do not recall anything coming before you to put out that might have stopped when right because technically Technically it should go to auction because it's Another truck right. Yeah, we did not do that. Yeah, it would you don't know anything about it It probably didn't happen. Okay, and is there a update on what were they are in the process? So while I was still working with GM on the site plan, but they're getting closer. I saw the flags. There's a bunch of flags out there. Okay. They are getting closer. I've talked to them. Good. More taxes. That's it for me. Sorry to have annoyed and frustrated you. Sorry, but not sorry. I need my questions answered. Councilwoman Sol. I will just touch on one thing late hour. And this is probably something that our town attorney also needs to be aware of. But I want to get it out there just so it's out there. We need to. I have casual conversation off the record with somebody from the Carolina County Board of Elections. You brought us to my attention and I sort of knew but I went and looked it up. Our town charter that we amended in April of 2023 when we were going for our redistricting and trying to make things work, the charter still has us having an election this year. I did not. I hope like it's not a secret and we've sort of talked about this but we have not fixed anything. Our resolution that we passed in June of 2023 talks about how all the seats were up for that election and that the election would be in 2026 and 2028 or whatever it is. Anyway so we do need to get a charter amendment in the works to fix that because a far-lensky said that we already did that. I thought we did. Lindsay said. Lindsay told us the last time it was burnt up, that it was changed. I printed this off. Well, maybe it wasn't updated to every 60. But that's what they're going about. Well, that's a difference then. Like, so making sure that it's up-floated to E360 because there's a process it goes from us to the state and then I believe up to E360. I think there's a chain which is another one that I would like an S&P on because I don't exactly have to. Who sent it up with that to town manager? I believe the town manager was responsible. I believe the town manager is town clerk. Somebody from here, I believe is responsible. I thought when I asked how it got uploaded to 360, it went from here to someone to someone to up to 360. I think the state is in their somehow and the state has to approve something, but I don't know. This is what kind of where I wanted an SOP for how that happens. Because I would like to know. Every June you sent E360 all your ordinances for the last year. So do you think it's been done in the last year? We only send them in June. We send them once a year. No, you're supposed to do that. We're doing it. We're doing it. That's supposed to be real time because it's supposed to take effect the date that it's something that we need to check on. Because that's're doing it. That's supposed to be real time because it's supposed to take effect the date that it's something that we need to check on because that's what I thought. June of 2023, when we did it, I mean, and now it's almost, you need to check. A, the process to get our stuff updated to E360, where's the one that we approved that had the corrected dates and times in it, and if it got lost in the process, or was never sent in in the process? Yeah, I just like I said, yeah, I don't want to get lost in the sauce. Okay, so if it did get lost in the sauce, then does that mean we need to go back and redo the ordinance and bait it for now in time versus then time. Well, the ordinance was passed. We just need to change the, we have to have a tour. I remember the last five years of ordinance is I do not recall what you're talking about. So you know, I'll take the email. I knew we had changed that because we changed the dates. But I'll double check. Let's just where we had done it too. I don't know any time. I don't know the past. I love stuff. I'm the one that found it. Yeah, nobody it was no it was as far as I know there were so many versions of things going around at one point and There was no We scrapped one we had three we scrapped one change the number to read the Get rid of his own vacation But I have act so she's the keeper of the ordinances. I will look through tomorrow To see if there was an ordinance that changed your election dates. I'm telling you I don't think there is. I do or don't find it. I'm already. I'm already. I'm already. I'm already. I'm already. I'm already right here. That is a resolution. A resolution 2020307. The changed it to your election year is 26. It says, oh, wait a minute. It says a council, it talks about how on the 4th Tuesday in September 2023, an election shall be held between the hours of it goes on. For the mayor and two council members that reside in district one and two council members that reside in district two. The member that receives the highest votes will be elected to a five year term, then a three year term. The terms of the council members that are elected to a three-year term shall expire the first Tuesday in November, 2026. And then what year is that? This was passed on June 12, 2023. OK, so maybe I looked at ordinances. Yes. Maybe I'm missing it, because it was a resolution. It's a resolution. It's an option. It's resolution 223. It's time. I'll approach tomorrow. I don't know. I need to clarify that too. So yeah, I'll figure that out on the time. Okay. Anything else? No. Councilwoman Ann. I do know that anything. So do you all want to have closed session or do you want to book that to two weeks? Can we do closed session tomorrow is a virtual session or the next day? Well we definitely need to do the that one., so we can do that one real quick because of those residents. We can definitely do that one real quick so you get the other sides. Okay, all right, so can I have a motion to go and go and close session? So I can. And second. Tell us a favor. Hi. Hi. Opposed? There's some passes. Can you shut off your recording, please? Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. You can't pass it out.