All right six o'clock. Welcome everybody We do have a quorum all right This is the November let's say November 20th local planning agency and planning commission meeting The first thing is the agenda. So everyone had time to look over the agenda Motion move a second that motion. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Any opposed? All right. Next is approval of the minutes. Everyone have a chance for the September 18th minutes. I moved to approve the minutes. All in favor? All right. Now we'll have the County Attorney poll for any ex partake communications and read the party statement into the record. Hi, good evening. My name is Diana Johnson. I wanted the senior assistant county attorney sitting in for Mr. Hanson tonight. As any member of the commission received any communications regarding any item on tonight's agenda. No. Thank you so much. I believe we do have one request for a party status. So I'm going to read a description to the record. All persons wishing to testify or present evidence during this hearing will be sworn in prior to speaking during this proceeding. All persons have the right through the chair to ask questions of staff or other speakers to seek clarification of comments made by staff or other speakers and respond to comments or presentations of staff or other speakers. All persons who present written materials for consideration must ensure that a copy of such materials is provided to the clerk for inclusion in the commission's records of the proceedings and the official meds. While we welcome comments from all persons with an interest in this proceeding, Florida law requires that the decision in a quasi-additional action be supported by competent substantial evidence presented to the commission during the hearing on the application. Competent substantial evidence is such evidence as a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support a conclusion. There must be a factual basis in the record to support opinion testimony from both expert and non-expert witnesses. Persons presenting testimony may rely on any factual information in the record to support their testimony. In a moment, the clerk will ask for persons other than staff and the applicant who wish to participate as parties to identify themselves and explain to the commission why they believe they are parties. To be a party, a person must show that he or she would be more directly impacted or more substantially impacted by the commission's decision today than the public at large. If the commission determines that you have a party status, you will be permitted a reasonable opportunity to present testimony and evidence and to ask questions. Otherwise, you will be permitted to testify as a member of the public. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. And did we say we had one party? Yes, sir. Is there anyone else that believes they're party status? I don't understand what part. I'm moved to this. I don't understand what part status is. I'm 100% opinion on this new recreation part. Would that be party status? You can voice your opinion party status as if you are directly affected like you're right next to it. You're. Yeah. We are. Okay. We're five. We're five. Come up and state your. Okay. My name is Dave Larson. And why do you believe your party status? Yes. Because you're located where? Celebration United Methodist Church. It's right next door to the property. Do we know that location? Does that qualify? Mr. Chair, they are immediately adjacent so I think that that would definitely qualify them as a party. Okay, so we'll grant your party status. We'll give you more time when we have time for the public to comment. You'll have a longer period of time. Okay, and then staff will swear you in a moment. All right. Any other parties? So sit down for now. Yep. All right. Clerk can swear in the staff in the public. All right, immediate emotion for the party. So Mr. Chair, normally we would ask for emotion from the commission to. Grant party? Yep, that's correct. All right, is there a motion that grant the gentleman party status? What was his name? Sorry, what was your last name? Washington, I moved to a prior request for party status for Mr. Larson. Second that motion. Well in favor. I am the imposed. Excuse me. I have a question for you. Mr. Larson, do you represent? How do you represent the church? Are you on the. The facilities team for the church. The facilities team. My voters are faster. Okay, but what about the your board? I am not on the facilities team is part of the leadership team of the church. I am not a member of the trustee board. Okay. Have you gotten permission from the trustee board to represent the church? Do you have anything in writing? No. Okay. I don't have any. Okay. All right. All right. We're going to swear everybody in. So if anyone who wishes to speak it tonight's meeting will stand and raise their right hand. Okay. I'm just here to listen and I might speak but I don't. I'm not already available. Okay. Did you want to, um, if you're going to speak, I need you to be sworn in. Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. Do you swear or firm that testimony you provide today is the truth to the best of your knowledge or belief? All right. Thank you All right, so our first agenda item is quasi judicial item Z 24-000007 flamingo Sports Center special exemption for outdoor recreation. Staff yes thank you Mr. Chair good evening commissioner. So the bank guitar with the Lachua County Growth Management Department and as you've mentioned this is a quasi judicial item it's a special exception for outdoor recreation and the agent for this application is EDA incorporated. This request is for outdoor recreation which can be found in section 4 of 464 of the Unified Land Development Code. With the standards that are in that section, it is considered a limited use for agricultural zone parcels. However, if any of those standards are exceeded, which in this proposal they are, a special exception is required. And specifically, the request for the square footage of permanent structures in lighting an audio system caused that to be bumped up to a special exception. The Repose Facility will have multiple rack support courts, pavilions, clubhouse and concession area. Just some background on the site. This site, if you are familiar with the YMCA, they about 20 years ago owned this site and they were looking to put their facility there. They actually got a special use permit approved for 60,000 foot recreational facility. However, that never materialized. And they later sold it to another developer. That developer did not want to include this parcel in their development so that special use permit was rescinded. So the developer ended up putting a traditional neighborhood development as you'll see in an upcoming slide on the property that they owned inside the urban cluster. And they ended up selling this parcel to the current owner, who is intending to develop it as outdoor recreation. The slide shows the location on Southwest Archer Road to the west of City of Gainesville and the western portion of the county. The site's about 21 acres. This is an older aerial image showing if you can see faintly the baseball fields and the old clubhouse here. And you'll see on the next, when I hit the mouse, you'll see that the development that has occurred since this older aerial image. So to the north is one TND, and then further north is Lugano TND. You can see the development that's occurring here. So these are inside the urban cluster, this parcel, and these other parcels immediately to the east and to the west or outside of the urban cluster. As you can see here, this bold black line indicates the urban cluster. And those parcels, as I mentioned here, with a rural ag, land use designation or outside of the urban cluster, and those with a low density residential are inside the urban cluster. And similarly the zoning map shows this parcel has agricultural zoning as do the parcels immediately to the east, south and west and those inside have from the most part single family residential zoning. The church that was mentioned by the gentleman who requested party status is immediately to the west. Outdoor recreation is identified in our comprehensive plan as a allowed use in rural ag land use category. Objective 6.2 of the future land use element lists that. And also in our definitions in the future land use element, outdoor recreation is defined as shown on the slide. And I've highlighted the relevancy here that tennis courts and similar outdoor sports that are not in close buildings are considered outdoor recreation along with those accessory uses that support it. The applicant's proposed special exception master plan shows the conceptual layout here. The green area will be the stormwater area, buffer surrounding perimeter of the facility, and then overflow parking is indicated here in these dotted lines. The blue will be the focus of the facility where the quartz will be clubhouse, pool, and other accessory structures. And the purple color indicates the vehicular use area where the main parking and driveway are. This slide shows a closer view of this special exception master plan. One thing I wanted to note is that these rectangles indicate what is allowed after discussion with one of the neighbors. The pickable courts were moved from the eastern edge of this activity area to the western, as was originally indicated at the neighborhood workshop. And that was done for addressing sound mitigation and concerns of the neighbor. Additionally, with noise mitigation and discussions had with the neighbor, they agreed, the applicant agreed to move those courts west and install acoustic wraps and that's done to attenuate sound and then you see in the set of conditions that staff is proposing that's condition number 12. So the condition as it currently reads would require this wrapping to reduce sound by 24 decibels. And there's certain kinds of wraps that can achieve that that are manufactured to achieve that standard. This is an example of the kind of wrapping we're talking about along offense and it dulls the noise from the pickleball being hit. So as staffs proposed conditions include certain hours of operation, maximum square footage that's allowed to be enclosed, lighting and audio systems, requirement for a development plan, parking requirements, perimeter buffer, and sound mitigation. This slide and the next slide show the proposed conditions. If you have any questions about any of them, I can go into further detail. Our staff recommendation is that the Planning Commission finds this application's E24000007 to be approved and approve it with the Basis and Conditions that are listed in our staff report. The Basis that we have in our staff report include Objective 6.2, those are uses that are allowed in the rural land use category. Objective 1.4 of the recreation element element which encourages provision of recreational sites by the private sector section 404.64 of the Unified Land Development Code that has outdoor recreational standards in section 402.113 or a special exception criteria for approval. That concludes our staff presentation that can take any questions you have Any commissioners on my right that have any questions So the There are a few reasons why this requires an exception but the major one I see is the change in in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the majority of the districts are in the the courts wouldn't be considered enclosed. They do have- They're not closed, but are they permanent? They will be there permanently. OK. But I cut you off, or is there anything else you want to do? They are also considering to have some of them covered with canopy, but they won't be fully enclosed. So this is on, is there an idea of the traffic that will be generated? The use? We've got this condition number 10 that between 50 and 70 parking spaces would be required. So that's what the condition says. And there's also overflow grass parking that needs to be provided if there was like a tournament or some kind of special event that might go beyond what they would normally expect. And then, so this is outside the urban cluster without the sewer and municipal sewer and water so it'd be septic and well. Are there any, so by increasing, by getting this special exemption, there's larger enclosed space, which means more use probably for more people coming in using the sewer and the water. Is there any consideration? Especially if this is a I think this is a high-recharge area for the spring protection. Yeah, we have Staff from the environment protection. I don't know if they can answer that but the They have But they have, you know, whatever the subject size is, they'll have to address that to accommodate 6,500. Okay. Are there other facilities of similar size and potential, I guess, customer base with outside the urban cluster that is something similar. Mr. Chair, I know that there are other pickleball facilities like DB on the Hopper Road or 300 Club, but this is supposed to be larger than what those are. So where I'm heading is, so the urban clusters are for a reason, concentrate urban services and development. And so outside the urban cluster, so it uses special exemption. So I'm just wondering in my mind are the requirements for the special exemption and enough if it's going to attract more people, more water users, a pool, probably showers, if there's a pool. I mean that's a lot of water usage for sewer and well water and the enclosed aquifer of our western Lachor County says anyone want to comment on that from staff. And also the impervious surfaces of the courts as well. So imagine there might be some sort of. Madam Chair or Mr. Chair, I'm sorry, Mr. Chair, apologies. Christos and Principal Planner, I think those are all issues that an applicant is going to have to identify and deal with at development plan. So as far as the stormwater goes, we do have stormwater management regulations that require appropriate treatment volumes, both for quality and quantity, whether you're inside or outside of the urban cluster. And those are specific to a location. So if you're in a high aquifer recharge, you may have a standard. If you're in a particular basin, you may have a water quality standard. Those are all things that are technical solutions, engineered solutions. And again, their apric will, regardless of whether you're inside or outside the cluster. As far as the sewer and water go, there are standards that are required, and the applicant will have to identify that any treatment system they use is appropriate to deal with whatever the volumes that they have are. I don't have the answer as to whether they can do that today. There's an existing septic system on site. And certainly when it was identified for use, as a YMCA, that would have also had some pretty large concentrations. So I don't know that it's a huge change from what had previously been identified with a special use permit there. The standards are actually a little bit more strict now than they would have been before. And so I think the applicant is going to have to demonstrate that as part of their development application. Okay. And then the big question that we're facing is the noise. I've read as much as the back. I think it was like 400 pages at some point and with the Colorado or someplace with the study on the pickable one. I tried to read as much as possible, but it got a bit much. So the requirement or the staff suggested condition for approval would be the rat that would reduce the decibel noise by 24 decibels, right? A noise by a 24 decibels. How did that 24 number, is it just what is the, what's on the market for this purpose? Is that just what the reduction or is there, like you started at, you have to reduce it this way. I think with 24 Mr. Chair, it's a significant reduction. It might not be like the most on the market that can be reduced, but it's a significant reduction. I don't know the percentage, but. Yeah, I think I learned that a 10 decimal point reduction is a perceived reduction in noise by 50% or something. I read the back of them. Because I've, this is a top, I don't play to pick a wall, but I know people do, and this is a big topic, I guess the noise. Is there, so there aren't noise ordinances with the county and that's measured from a reading distance away from the property line. I imagine the requirement will be within that, within the county's code. However, I think the type of noise that Pickleball makes is, I forget, I think the term is annoyance, and it was the technical term of annoyance. And it's not so much the loudness, but the periodicity of it and the percussiveness of it. How is that going to be insured that it's not invasible to the people around there? Is the rap enough? Does it solve that solution? And if it doesn't is there's something that could be done required later not I mean it we have the noise ordinance however it may meet the noise ordinance however but still have that unique pick-all noise that the neighbors will hear. Yeah Mr. Chair I think that's sort of the reason that we identified that the sound rap is important and not just that you have a sound rap but there be something that we can point to to a standard. I mean we don't have a study that's specific to this location that says, yep, 24 is what you need with those courts in that alignment. But I think as we sort of looked at the distances to property lines, we looked at the study that you read and sort of tried to think about how that looks on this site and then to look at that additional reduction, in addition to having to meet whatever our noise code is, that addition of the sound wrap, I think is a pretty substantial reduction in potential sound. Is there a requirement for the height of the sound wrap? Because that- Should be at least 10 feet, that's what the condition says. Okay, yeah, then we got it on there. Okay, and then there was talk about the orientation of the courts and there was a presentation that was un-interputed in the back up. It might be the person who wrote that. That was the part of the request we received prior to the meeting. Okay. And that individual was not able to attend by included it anyways because there's part of his public comment. was there for me? I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. I was there for me. oriented that way. Is that part of the discussion with the developer? The applicant is aware of this individual's request and had spoken with him previously. OK. Let me see if I make anything else. That's all I have for now. Mr. Chair, thank you. You're welcome. Anything? No questions. Much? May I go at the end? Sure. I'm writing some items. Thank you. No? All right, you want to go after their presentation? I'm ready. All right. Go right in. I'm not familiar with the term acoustic wraps. I'm familiar with acoustic limitations and have used those in developments that I've been involved with. And I'm sorry, I'm just, could someone explain the acoustic wraps? And they're going to be placed on a, what, a 10 foot masonry wall? I don't believe Mr. Chair, they're going to be masonry. They're going to be along the perimeter of the courts, probably on chain link fence. Like this is indicating here on this slide. Where do you have, have you reviewed the evidence that shows that a specific acoustic rap will create an attenuation of 24 decibels. We are Mr. Chair are asking for the them to be specified the manufacturer's specification that that's what their the sound attenuation is at least 24 decibels. So, well, do you realize that the sound is dependent upon the distance from the generation of the sound? And so, where is that 24 decibel acoustic decrease? Where is that going to take place? Mr. Chair, the idea is that the sound rap would reduce it from one side of the barrier to the other. So that's where that attenuation would occur. I noticed that they said that they were going to have a time period. Is it 7 a.m. to 9 p.m.? That they'll have be an operation? That's the proposed condition number two. That is going to be a condition. That's our staff recommendation is that it's a condition of hours of operation. Okay so you want us to make a, in making, if we make a recommendation to approve that that be included in the recommendation is that correct? That's correct. Miss. OK. What about for Sundays? It's Monday through Sunday. Every day is the same hours of operation. My concern is is this going to create a problem within the church next door when it's holding services at any time after seven o'clock in the in the morning. I mean I don't want to hear pickleball while I'm praying. I don't think they would either. Have you thought about that? We have not specified a separate hour of operation on Sunday. Would the applicant be willing to do that? I will have to let the applicant speak on that. After. Okay. I would like to see her if they would create a situation for maybe noon on not start activity until noon. I do have an issue about traffic generation. Has there been a traffic impact statement for this project? There has not been at this point. When is there going to be when they are come back for the development plan review, then that would be a reviewed any traffic impacts. We have a mobility fee that is based on the impact that they will have that will address any impacts. And I'm sorry, I just don't know how you handle that now. But you don't know how many trips per day are going to be generated by this development do you? Not at this point. When will that, and that won't be done until when they come in for a development plan to be approved. Mr. Chair, I'd like to know if the staff has taken into consideration that a development of this level of activity will actually increase or expand the urban cluster as it's adjacent to the urban cluster today. Mr. Chair, the urban cluster is a mapped line as part of our comprehensive plan. The use that's proposed is allowed within the agricultural future land use designation and as a special exception within the agriculture zoning. It's anticipated that outdoor recreation is an activity that can occur outside the cluster. And so no, Mr. Chair, we don't anticipate or believe that approving this development here will actually expand the cluster. Mr. Chair, I don't agree with the principal planner. I believe that a development like this immediately adjacent to, and it's, is it only on the north side or is it on the east side also, that it's adjacent to the urban cluster? I was unclear about that. It is the Northern boundary. Just the Northern boundary. But the issue that I have is that this is not required, well first of all you haven't done a traffic generation study. I'm concerned that the acoustic wraps is a nebulous term and we don't I don't feel comfortable that the developer has told the staff what type of wall the acoustic wrap is going to be on. And I'm concerned about the amount of water that will be withdrawn from the aquifers since this will not be required to hook up to the portable water provided by the GRU in the urban cluster. And I'm concerned that this may have an impact on the aquifer because I know how much water can be generated by recreation developments. Now has that been taken into consideration? Mr. Chair, there will need to address that and the development plan that they propose. So we're not sure how much water they will be drawing based on what they actually propose. But nothing yet today. We need to wait until the special exceptions I'm thank you, Mr. Chairman. I may have some other questions. No problem. Can you put the picture up of the satellite showing where the courts are? There it is. This one? Yeah, that'll be fine. So the church is on the top left side there. Yep, and then it looks like the courts will be from about that tree line back. Yeah, so you see where the former of the old Philz-R, it would be to the south of there. All right, so distance wise, is there? There you go. There you go. Yeah. From the corner of that top left pickleball to where that church is, where we talk in 400 yards, 500 yards, do we know about what that is? Well, Mr. Chair, if you see the distance from the blue to the edge that's about 50 feet as a scale. That will be a buffered retaining the existing canopy. Okay. Mr. Chairman, has the distance between the edge of the church building to the edge of the courts? Mr. Chair, we have not, we're not surveyors, so we think that it's around 300 feet, but we don't have an exact measurement for you, Mr. Chair. And then in that general location for the urban cluster, is there anything future wise going down bringing sewer and water extending down? Not at this time, Mr. Chair. The the comprehensive plan identifies the urban cluster as appropriate for provision of centralized sewer and water. So outside of the cluster any connection to those systems is prohibited. Okay. All right, we'll move on to the applicant. We'll have some questions. I'm a certified land planner with EDA consultants representing the property owner and the group that is looking to propose this out directoration facility here in Elatua County. At the risk of repeating some of the information that your county staff has already given you, I'd like to give you a brief presentation. I think I can help address a couple of the questions and comments as well. I'm going to ask you to tell us of the information that your county staff has already given you. I'd like to give you a brief presentation. I think I can help address a couple of the questions and comments as well. Just give you a brief presentation. So as many indicated, this property is located in 9409 Southwest Archeroad. It's zone to agriculture. It's about 21 acres in size. This is part of the former YMCA master plan facility, which most of us probably are aware that facility closed several years ago. So now it's really sort of a dormant site with building and some ball fields and recreation trails and there's kind of overgrown and unsightly and waiting for some use to occur. It's an interesting conversation about the urban cluster because it is right next to the urban cluster, but it is outside the urban cluster. But it is what it is without doubt is very close to a lot of rooftops and folks that are looking for recreation opportunities, particularly along our charade, our charbrade trail. There's thousands of units of residential in that area, and I think there's going to be a great desire to have this new private recreation use. And we've tried really hard to work with staff and some correspondence with really one neighbor that was most interested, try to bring something forward as compatible, really go the extra mile to try to do that. So a couple of locations slides here. We are next to the United Methodist Church that's our neighbor just to the west. There are three undeveloped parcels to the east and then there are a number of TNDs and residential developments in the immediate area to the north, northeast and to the east. This photo is assumed in a little bit. It shows our entry point. We would utilize an existing private driveway that is across from the Logano entrance along Archer Road. There is a right out, left out and right in. So it's a three-lane entrance here. It does have an ingress, egress easement that is shared by the collective, the United Methodist Church, and the property that you're looking at this evening. And so our access point would, we would not be proposing a new driveway on our road of course we would utilize that driveway and enter in from the site in this area. There are some stormwater basins that are already constructed on site that were there for the previous improvements for the YMCA. Those we're proposing to retain those and potentially expand them as I'm sure you all are aware of Elatria County and the Water Management just have some pretty stringent requirements for stormwater retention. So we'd have to collect and treat, according to regulations, all the stormwater that would be generated from the impervious area that's proposed here tonight. Your comprehensive plan for the county does have a, it's a very long definition about door recreation, but it does include the types of uses we're talking about, ball courts, tennis courts, some accessory uses like a snack bar, a approach out clubhouse. It doesn't include more intense uses like motocross, facilities and so forth. And obviously this special exception is very narrowly focused to just this use and all those conditions that I'll go through with you in just a moment. But that's sort of the basis of why we are proposing a special exception is that it does fall under the definition of outdoor recreation. And a special exception is required in Ag zoning when you exceed 1,000 square feet of building area. We are proposing 6,500 square feet of enclosed area. It's really just to have a few small buildings, including a small snack bar, a pro shop, a bathroom, a few little storage buildings. No large, you know, giant buildings. We really don't anticipate our water and sewer demand to be great. It's going to be very minimal. In fact, it would be 100 times more if this is an apartment complex or something like that if you want to look at demand. So we're really following the county regulations as far as being right outside the cluster and utilizing the existing well that's on the property. As maybe indicated, this is our master plan. About two thirds of the site or over two thirds of the site is green space. There's a recreational trail actually that kind of loops around the property that's there today. That was a remnant from the YMCA and we'd like to keep that. Have it be open to the public, you know, just for a nice amenity because there are a lot of folks in this area. The area in purple is our ingress egress and parking area that would be some paved parking. The area in blue, I'm sorry, it's a small, I know you do have a copy, a hard copy, but the building areas would be just along the front here, the tennis courts to the, on the east side, a sort of an outdoor activity space in the center and then the pickleball to the west. And so one of our neighbors, Mr. Spencer, I think you can see my cursor, he owns the property that I'm circling right now. And he had a lot of concern about the pickleball noise. And you know, that's why we have these neighborhood workshops to find out what the issues are and how can we address them. And I'm very happy to say our client has done a lot to try to address those concerns. And I know Mr. Spencer couldn't be here tonight. I've read the correspondence with the county staff that he's very pleased with the conditions that have been proposed by the applicant and the staff report. But the pickleball courts have been moved further to the West, which now Mr. Spencer's property is well over six, 700 feet away. But more importantly, I would say is that we are, we do have a condition as proposed for the acoustical screening. And as you can imagine with pickleball being extremely popular and growing around the country, and a lot of times there are neighborhood parks that are surrounded by houses and there's issues. So whenever there's a problem, a lot of times industry finds a solution. There are several companies that provide acoustical sound panels the reason that we put in the condition because when you're writing legal conditions you need to have some sort of standard The 24 deciple reduction at the at the point of the fence is Sort of a minimum that they will guarantee. It's essentially a full barrier, 10 foot tall. It really encapsulates the sound. Our client went out and measured some of the decibel ratings at some of the city parks in Gainesville that don't have an icusical screening and sometimes at a hundred, I think at 130 feet away, there was a reading of about 45, 46 decibels. So the church included, and certainly the properties of the Easter farm greater than the 140 feet. But those are, that was at 46 decibels. So with this condition and the material that would be put up, you'd have at least a 24 decibel reduction. And when you look at some of the material that's out there about environmental noise and what does a decibel mean? I don't know. And you can tell you look at these charts. A 25 decibels is equivalent to a whisper or 20 decibels is quiet natural area with no wind. So the noise is going to be significantly mitigated and addressed in a way that hopefully it will be very acceptable to everyone. Obviously our client wants to build a great facility. They want to be good neighbor. They want folks to want to come here and participate. So we do have that condition in place. I'm very, I'm very glad that we do. This is the master plan again. It just shows sort of the list of uses that we've gone over already. In the outdoor recreation area, there'll be combination tennis courts, pickleball courts, cover pavilions, activity spaces, clubhouse, small concession sand and restrooms. And you can see the storm water areas. There's one to the north, and to the east and southwest. And they may grow in size as we move forward with engineering plans and development review. These are the conditions that they may grow in size as we move forward with engineering plans and development review. These are the conditions that we've helped draft and have worked closely with county staff and we've added to them as we've gone through the process. It does include a lot of protections and assurances for the use including hours of operation, the maximum amount of building area, the uses that can specifically be allowed, minimum setbacks, and also a 50 foot natural vegetative buffer around the perimeter. It addresses our parking demands. We do have a large area to the north of the paved parking that we're proposing in case there is a large event. They'll be room for folks to be able to park there adequately without creating any congestion issues. The condition for sound on the pickleball courts is that it would be a minimum 10-foot tall fence with acoustic wraps designated achieve a minimum sound attenuation of 24 decibels. I'm going to skip forward for a minute because there was a good question about what these panels look like. They would be connected to a fence like a chain link type fence They're permanently attached and fastened to create a solid wall It does look something like this. This is a close-up view and you can see You know the source being where the pickle balls being hit and then a three meters, which is about 10 feet the sound Travel so any you know. So when you're out 100, 200, 300 feet away, the sound is not reverberating in that area. So that's the approach that we're taking. There are several criteria that we have gone through with county staff on the code. I can go through these in more details if you like, but really we believe that most of them are dressed through our conditions regarding compatibility, setbacks, buffers, hours of operation, lighting standards, sound, limitation on uses. And there is a comprehensive plan policy that does encourage provision of recreational sites by the private sector. This is really kind of a unique proposal. You don't see a lot of these coming forward, so we're excited about having it before you. Ingress and egress, we have reviewed with you in parking. with a number of conditions that address noise glare, and odor effects, refuse, utilities, screening and buffering signage. Any signage that we would propose would have to be on our property just along the frontage of Archer Road. And so in summary, your staff recommends approval. We appreciate their analysis and working with us. We believe we're consistent with the conference of plan and the development pattern in the area, given the conditions that we're proposing. Also, we would like to add one more condition, it would be number 13. Mr. Spencer expressed some concern about the proximity of the trail to his property on the east side. And so condition 13, we would propose our client would pay to install a wooden privacy fence along the East property line just to provide a separation between the trail and this use and those properties. That's listed here on the sheet. It's kind of long, but we'd like to propose that that be added in as well. And we do believe that we've addressed all of his concerns and issues. And if there's the things that we can work with the church, be happy to hear his comments tonight and we'll work forward on that as well. So with that, I'll conclude. I think I answered some of the questions that you had, and I appreciate your consideration tonight. All right. Thank you. Thank you. There's been some unique questions for that. Yes, I do. I'm sorry. I had heard from an elegant report to is the Sunday that concerns me. And I guess when he comes up to talk about it, even more so, but the Sunday hours from 7 a.m., and again, I feel that will be disrupted to the people of worship, with the noise and everything else. And especially when you have special events, I don't know if you have it on Sunday sometime in the parking and everything, it could be terrible as well with the traffic. Okay. Would you honor any other questions? No questions. Thank you. I agree about the issue of the church and the need to take into consideration the use of the church. When we have projects going on downtown or festivals going on downtown, they're allowed on Saturday and then on Sunday afternoons after noon because of the issue of the churches in the area and the disruption that that might bring to the churches. So I think that that needs to be taken care of here. But I also have something for you. Did I see something to say that it wasn't just only for the special exception wasn't only for this use but also for some type of once in a blue moon use for some type of festival or something? No, sir. I must have read that. I must not have read that. Okay. The other thing is I have a question. You had on your graph or the photo of how the sound attenuation acts. Could you explain to me what you were saying about the way in which the sound, once it's generated, how it is projected and then how it goes over these panels and what happens after it goes over the panels. So I will say that I am not a sound engineer. I'm reading the material that has come out from the industry providers. really my my main point there commissioner is that the barrier is it's been identified that it needs to be 10 foot high by the court which really it repels a vast majority of the sound at that point and any un And any uninhibited sound, if you will, would be on the line that continues upward further away. And if you have homes or other folks that are nearby, they would be in this area in gray, which is in the area that's protected by the sound barrier. Mr. Surrier, I disagree with you. Okay. And I'm a planter, certified planter also. And one of my subspecialties was noise pollution. And the noise will go over, but it will also, it spreads out as it goes. And if it goes over that barrier, the noise that goes over the barrier will go down as well as up. It doesn't go on a straight line. And I understand it's hard to deal with. I agree it'll be detenuated, but it won't be attenuated 100%. The other issue is do you know, I'm sorry that I somehow implied that the staff was surveyors, but I thought they could bring a... So up the gout and use the site plan to figure out how many feet the pickleball area was from the church. It looks to me like it's more between somewhere around 250 to 300. Can you tell me exactly from what your rulers say? It's at least 200. Right. And obviously the pickleball courts are on the southern half of the property, so there's a wooded area as well on their side. But to answer your question, it's 200 plus feet to the building. Why does Mr. Spencer get, seems like he gets a great deal of, well, he gets some type of special treatment because he's been able to change the space between the pickleball courts, which seemed to have been on the west side of one of the retention facilities somewhere about 100 feet. Let's say it's 100 feet to the property line. And then he has, I understand, vegetation between him, between his home and that area but you were able to move it from that, it seemed like it was almost center line on the property to the area, to the western portion and move the tennis facilities over to where the pickle ball was. I didn't realize, I'm sorry, I just don't know that much about pickle ball. I didn't know it was more more noisy than tennis. Is that because the old people are screaming at ball to go someplace? I just don't know. So, but it seems like he's been given a great deal of say so in this project. Well, he's the only neighbor that has raised any concerns about noise. And we're definitely trying to be a good neighbor and got the west side is still very substantial. I think the 10 foot acoustic panels are substantial as far as noise mitigation. The YMCA plan that was approved for what it's worth several years ago had I think a 15 foot buffer. So we're tripling that, I guess, or whatever that math is. So we still think we're providing a compatible situation with the church, but we're essentially just trying to bring a plan forward that was being a good neighbor and dressing the concerns as they have come forward. No, I appreciate that. But I don't think anyone ought to refer back to the YMCA because the YMCA's special exception is it's gone. Just for context. I understand. But I think you've done a great deal for Mr. Spencer and I would hope that if the church has some concerns that your client will take those in the consideration because of the great number of people that would be affected more than Mr. Spencer would. But thank you for doing that for Mr. Spencer. Is that a conclude question? I have one question. I'm so along those same lines as my colleague was mentioning earlier. Were there any other types of noise barrier technology that was considered? Is this considered industry standard? Are there any others that you could speak to or provide insights on and ask to why you did not go with the alternative and decided to go with this one? So the research that we conducted in our client is that this is the industry standard and this is the preferred practice. And again, the 24 decibel was just a minimum that this manufacturer guarantee. And we thought that that would be a good thing to put in there. So it's not a windscreen later on. And it doesn't, it's not doing what we're promising. So our research and our clients research is indicated. This is really what is being used nationwide when there's concerns about mitigating sound. OK. Thank you. Spam. All right. I do have a question. So OK, go ahead. Thank you. Sam. All right. I do have a question. Okay. Go ahead. Just to understand again why we're here, if what they were proposing in terms of buildings were less than a thousand feet, then the pickleball courts would be allowed without additional consideration. I believe that the answer to that is yes. So in some ways you're providing more than what? There would be no, I mean, hypothetically, there would be no sound attenuation, acoustical walls, buffers, fences. I mean, the neighbors, they might still do it because they're trying to be good neighbor, but thank you for raising that question. Thank you. Mr. Chair, if I you for raising that question. Thank you. Mr. Chair, if I can. I think it's permanent structures, so I mean, they would be obviously open to the air and no covered pavilions or anything like that, so I mean, but yes, you could probably do courts like this, even without a special exception. Thank you. And I do, I spent an awful lot of time out at Jonesville Park. And there are impromptu pick-a-ball courts set up on the basketball courts there without any, any sound attenuation right in the middle of a neighborhood. And I'm at the soccer fields quite a bit, which is way closer than 300 feet. And you do hear it, but in an outside recreational setting, it actually, I don't even hear it really when I'm out there from 8 in the morning, 8 at night, every single weekend. I will say on Sundays, Pickleball is going to be there at 7 a.m. and it will probably be there until until it closes. It is an extremely popular low-cal. So I don't know if the applicant would be open to adjusting the Sunday hours because that is there. They're bright and early in Jonesville at 7 o'clock in the morning on a Sunday. So I don't know if this would be treated any different than any other court that we currently have in our area for that particular situation. Twenty-four decibels is not linear, it's logarithmic. So it goes down quickly. So that actually is a large reduction. And at this point, I'm assuming we will hear from the church, but I don't know of any other person that's raised to sound concern except for the one neighbor, correct? That's correct, okay, yes sir. All right, any other questions for the applicant? All right, thank you all. Thank you, welcome. At this point, we'll entertain a motion. Mr. Chair, it's probably appropriate to take party comment before the motion. Before the motion. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So the first party that we accepted, the only party member? Yes. And normal for party is five minutes? Fifteen. Fifteen, Mr. Chair. I think we've said. All right. So I think I'll take any longer than five minutes anyway. I'm not as prepared as these guys were. We'll go from there. We hadn't even thought about sound. How long is our name first? My name is Dave Larson. Okay. And I represent celebration, the United Methodist Church. And we hadn't even thought about the sound. But pickable does make a lot of noise, more noise than tennis say. But I mean concern is the driveway. Okay. It's a three, it'll be three companies, businesses now that'll be used in that entrance and the driveway. So it's, it's my wife almost got teaboned in that driveway tonight in Leven Church because somebody that defends that the collective put up blocks any vision of anybody coming down the driveway. And then there's a building there. Somebody was coming from the archer area and pulling in there's the collective and she was coming out of the church, pulling out towards archer road. And they both slammed on their brakes. So that's our major concern is just, and then there's the concern of maintenance. We have an easement. We don't own any part of that driveway. We have an easement to use it. But the collective owns half of it, and this new company owns half of it, and just out of crazy stipulation, a single develops in the middle of the driveway. Who's going to fix it? Like I said, we don't own it. We just have the right to use it. But we do need it. So that's our major concern is the driveway and safety with the driveway. Is we have a little concern with people coming into the church parking lot and parking and cutting through the wood area. They used to do that all the time when the YMCA was there when they had baseball tournaments and such. And as long as there's no church service, we're fine with it. But now we have a lot of activities going on at the church. Other days than Sunday, we have yoga classes. We have Suzuki strings come in and use the church, other days than Sunday. We have yoga classes, we have Suzuki strings come in and use the church. We have an art camp that comes in and uses the church. So we have a lot of traffic going in and out of that drive. We have a food distribution on that one day a month, but we still have food distribution which uses that driveway. So that is our main concern. If we can come to an agreement as to who's going to take care of it, get it in writing. If there is a problem, I've been cutting the grass out there for the last six years, just because I want to need, need, need entrance, you know, it's not going to look like a, pickstie when you're pulling to go to church in the morning. So I've been cutting the grass out there. It's not our grass, it's not our lawn, but I just go out there and cut it. And is somebody going to take care of that? There are shrubs out there, somebody going to take care of the shrubs. Numerous different things just for the upkeep to make it look presentable. And I'm sure this new company is going to have their area all fine and nice nice, but the driveway itself is on make concern. Other than that, we love having people in the area. The development in the area with the new houses, Lagano's growing crazy across the street. The collective has 172 houses. You've got men's tone, you've got what is it long leaf and and there's somebody got to open a Dunkin' Donuts down there's what they should do. My daughter would be the first customer but it's a growing area, but we're in concern. It's just the traffic. I don't know how many of you remember. This is a drastic thing, but when the fare was there, the traffic that we had was ours and accidents. And I know it wouldn't be that anywhere near that kind of traffic, but still, if there's a baseball tournament or a pickable tournament, you're going to have a multitude of cars coming in and out at the same time. So that's our major concern. That's what I wanted to come in and voice my opinion about. And I guess I said, we're happy to have them there. Thank you. We put the map on the screen of the driveway. So we get an idea of what's going on. Sure. And I do believe it's about 200 feet from our building to that property line. Why is pulling that up? Is there? Do you have a question? Yes. Mr. Lawson? Quick question. Yeah, quick question. So my understanding, listening to you now, the time frame on Sunday from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. Is no problem at all. It's fine. And tonight our services started at 9.30. And they're over at 10.30. We also have a service on Wednesday night that starts at five and goes to six. Not as big as it's intended as a Sunday morning service, but it's still we have a service that time too. So you have no concern of issue with that, that's for some sense. I think so, you know, like I said, our major concern is just traffic coming in and out and anybody that's trying to use the parking lot, I parking lot, on a Sunday morning, I parking lots full and the extra cause would create a problem. So. Okay. And then any other questions? Right. And second, I want to just follow up with that. Okay. So your three concerns is based the driveway, these way and upkeep that just it kind of get that done. And other than that, you good. Okay thank you. Okay we're gonna go down the road. Okay have some more. So we're getting the picture of the driveway so what you're calling the driveway is that what is south west 72nd court on the map is it the parallel to Archer Road driveway? Is that we're? Yes, the driveway is parallel to Archer, except for where it naturally turns out. That is that that's about 75 feet long. Okay, and so okay I see where the easement is. Okay. Okay. And um, uh, the incident with your wife was at the, um, tea area of the wife almost got hit in that area where you pull in awful archer. Mm-hmm. And to go to the church, you would turn right to go to the collective. You would turn left. Mm-hmm. And she was coming out of the church, turning left to go to Archer. And somebody was coming from the Archer area, from West Torch East, was turning in. And I almost got hit there last Friday, because I was pulling out of the church. Somebody came in from the Westbound, and wasn't looking. wasn't going exceptionally fast. I mean, I wasn't a, you know, a near fatal thing, but he saw me at the last minute and slowed up. Didn't stop, but just slowed. I stopped. Are there stop signs there? They're two. No. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot of improvements that we made there. There are no stop signs there. I actually approached the collective about putting stop signs in there and they said that they didn't want to do it. They didn't want to pay for it because it was a legitimate street. It's just a driveway. Mr. Norman, any questions? No questions, thanks. Much? Mr. L. No question. No question. Thanks. Much. Mr. Larson, what is the collective? The collective is the housing development on the other side. It's a housing. It's 172 houses. Okay. Rentsis. Okay. But the I'm sorry I should be standing over here a little bit out. And do they let me ask the principal planner is the are the streets in the in that development are they public. Mr. Chair the streets are private but they do have a public access he's been on top of them and they have a direct connection to the signal at 91st as well. That's a public route. Out to the east of this? Yes, that's correct. And that road 91st is a continuous south from the signal is a public road. Okay. If there were no traffic from this development before 11 a.m. would that assist the church and vacating your parking lot by? Yeah, yeah. People, like I said, our church service ends at 10.30. You don't have church school after that, do you? No.30. You don't have church school after that, do you? No. No. No, our church service ends at 10.30. And the park is originally pretty empty by 11 o'clock. Mr. Larson, did anybody talk to you about light pollution or the amount of lighting that will be on this site and how the light will go over into you the church's property. No, and I didn't attend the first meeting they had so I don't know what was brought up there. But no, actually, actually I don't think unless they came and talked to past him, Alyssa, I don't think anybody's approached us about anything. We got the letter in the mail saying that it was in the planning stages, but nobody actually came and talked to us about it. That I know of. Any other questions? No, I thank you. All right, thank you. OK. No other parties that have extra time. All right. So we will get to public comment after the motion. And then we'll open it up for public comment. I have a couple questions for me, putting a motion out. If it's OK, Mr. Chair. Is it about the actual? Yeah, it's about the motion itself. So make sure. Yeah it about the actual? Yeah, it's about the motion itself. So make sure. Yeah, so special exemption. I just want to make sure that everything is, because the plans that we see, unless they're in the special exemption, don't have to happen. Right? And so we talked about moving the location of the Pickleport, Pickleball courts to the west, and then restrict the size of the enclosed buildings at 6,500 feet. So I'm wondering, my question is, if there could be any restrictions on the expansion of courts, for example, where the softball courts now are now, not courts, fields are now identified as potential overflow parking, but in the future, under this exemption, can more courts go in? Mr. Chair, the way that the special exception plan has been provided to us, has been presented, really the developed areas are that blue area. I don't think that the applicant, I'll let Mr. Swagger confirm this. I don't think the applicant has any intention of doing additional development in the green area that's shown on the special exception plan. If there were, and I think staff, we would interpret that it doesn't allow things like baseball or those kinds of fields. If there were, and I think staff, we would interpret that it doesn't allow things like baseball or those kinds of fields. I think somebody could go out there and throw a disc or something like that, but I don't, any sort of structured recreation is not intended there. If there were a desire to do that in the future, that would require to come back for an amendment to the special exception. So this footprint that we're seeing is the footprint that is based not so much the exact you know clubhouse pressure. I mean that that could change. There could you know within allowable purposes but you know but just in general the purple the blue and the green that is what if we approve, suggest approval of this. This is what we're... Yeah, Mr. Chair, there's, I mean, we always identify that there's, you know, some flexibility in those areas that may not be that big, it may be small, or that line may shift a tiny little bit, whatever, but that's right. That's right. The intent is that that's really the developed area, and certainly the things like buffers and parking areas those kinds of things they're really limited by the location on the special exception plan and at development plan when an applicant applies we actually require that to be submitted as part of their plan so that they're showing that and they're providing a response to every one of those conditions and identifying how they're meeting this. I do have questions for staff before we do that. The optional number 13 privacy fence to staff as any objections or any concerns with adding that additional requirement of a privacy fence along that side. We do not, Mr. Chair, we were aware of this after the staff report had been released. So that's why I wasn't included in our staff report. All right, thank you. Mr. Chair, could I also bring back the applicant for a question, please? Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. You had spoke early that you did do some number 13. You added another condition in after talking with another party. Is that possible? At the maybe considering the church for you heard the three things of concerns of his to drive weighties way and the upkeep? Is there some room or leverage that you can also consider their concern as well? Mr. Chair, I wanted to have a chance to come back up and you know, I don't think they personally don't think they need to be in the form of conditions, but I can state just for the record that there is an ingress, egress easement. So the church certainly will be able to continue using the driveway as they have historically in perpetuity. Tell that something happens about that easement. And the question of maintenance of the road and the driveway, it really comes up to the individual owner of that part of the driveway. So if a sinkhole happened in front of our, God forbid, in front of our property, we would have to fix it. If we had them on the church property, they would have to fix it. If we had them on the church property, they would have to fix it. If it's on the collective side, the collective would have to fix it. There's assurances that the property owner, in which the issue has occurred, would have to handle the maintenance. And I did also want to say that, I think one thing we could do is we could propose some signage to try to guide people to make sure that they enter into this site and don't keep going straight and clogging up the church parking lot. I know for a fact that our clients want to be good neighbors with the church and that might help just so there's no confusion about where they're going. And as far as the property right now, it is pretty unsightly. And I can't believe you've had to mo that 20 acres for a decade because it's a bear. So obviously this site is gonna be really nice. Very high quality. It's gonna be maintained mode and managed and operated. And so it'll really be a beautified site. Right now it does not look that way at all. So there will be certainly be beautification improvements on the way in to the church. All right, thank you. Thank you. All right, is there anyone who may make the motion? Yes. There are concerns that are brought up, but I will not be clean them in the motion or requesting part of the exception because it's hopefully, it's, can be worked out among the prop donors and staff, including the traffic and the sign. So what I will, I'll move to approve the Z24-0007 the Flamingo Sports Center, special exception for outdoor recreation, including staff's recommendations the commission. The commission is going to be in the commission. The commission is going to be in the commission. The commission is going to be in the commission. The commission is going to be in the commission. The commission is going to be in the commission. The commission is going to be in the All right, is there a second? A second that motion. All right, so now we will open it up for public comment. So when you come up, just sit your name. You'll have a couple of minutes to comment. There'll be green yellow and red lights there to let you know when we're done. Thank you, Mr. Chair. My name is Susan Baird, and it's been years since I've been here back since I was commissioner. So I really appreciate your time and effort in working hard to do what is right. As you can tell, pick a ball has been one of the fastest growing sports and it's really a great opportunity for older folks, younger folks, people of all ages to come together, play together and some people love to play at 7 in the morning. I'm not one of those. Some people love to play in the evening, like the 300 Club. I want to use that as a little bit of a reference, because if you haven't really seen this universe, you have no real perspective on it. They're open like from, I think, 8 in the morning, maybe even 7. I don't know, I've never gotten there that early. And they're open to, and they're lights do turn off at 930 for pickleball. And there are houses all around. And we are playing, there's eight courts here, seven, seven of them in use. And it is going on full plastic. Right now they're like 10 deep. There's 10 groups waiting to play in this open play. I'd really invite you to come out, actually come out and play. It is so much fun. It's really great exercise. It's beautiful. It is a little bit loud, a little bit annoying when you really start hearing it. But interestingly enough, a lot of my friends also have pickable courts in their backyard. I haven't heard them say that their neighbors get perturbed about it. They might get perturbed when I yell and I hit the ball out when I shouldn't have hit it out. That would be annoying. But so they have these courts and then another friend put some lights up in a neighborhood and the lights are really nice that they come down beautifully and the regulations with light pollution and all that have gotten really strong in like Oak Hall when they had to put their light sign in the baseball field. It was a real big problem because the neighbors didn't want to be annoyed that way. And they do have special lights with these great characteristics. So I think that they would take into consideration all that. And as far as traffic, it's really more of an ongoing thing because you don't want to go there when there aren't any courts. And this is a private club and tournaments are scattered. So you have one age bracket, you know, the doubles, this age, that age throughout. So it's not like a baseball game, you know, where you are, for you get or football game, where you got a million people coming at the same time, a million people leaving at the same time. It's a lot of just rolling in, rolling out throughout the day for tournaments, which is when you see most traffic. And a lot of people do come in from terms from out of the area. And it just is a beautiful opportunity for us to get together. We have Pectona in Daytona. They have 49 pick-ball courts. And that is a dream come true. Oh my gosh. But anyway, so that's in a whole different location. So it's not as comparable. But anyway, so we do have in Elatro County only four permanent public pick-up all courts. Only excuse me, only eight of them. So this facility is going to be a great addition. I think I recommend approval with the stipulations and it's great to see that they've gone above and beyond to go ahead and accommodate the things that are going on. So I think it's a really great program and I'm excited to see this coming to fruition. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any other public that have comment? All right. Comments from the discussion? Mr. Chair, I just want to reiterate that my expectation is that the concerns brought up tonight will be an ongoing discussion among the property owner, you know, the applicant, the the church and staff on the traffic and other issues. All right. So I have some. Okay. I don't think the I don't think the 12 conditions are the 13th conditions with what Mr. Spencer's request that are are enough. I would ask that the as the 14th. Now I'm assuming that the 13th condition is what the developer and Mr. Spencer have agreed to is that correct? That is the privacy fence on the right side there yes. Okay. I would ask that any additional sports activities which are placed on the site will require an amendment to the special exception in the future. I would ask that there be a 15. The developers shall pave the ingress egress within that portion of the road that is on the property owned by the developer. Hopefully we can get some type of agreement to get with the owner to the east and then with the United Meathers Church celebration, not United Meathers Church, to assist in getting signage. And I would like to see the signage be one sign for all three of the church, for this development and for the residential development. of the government. Oh, I would like also to modify condition number two hours of operation shall be Monday through Saturday 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. Sunday 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. All right, so I've captured that you would like to amend the motion. On number two to shorten hours on Sunday. Number 14 to require an amendment for additional activities. Number 15 for paving. Yes, sir. This is the same signage. Sixteen is signage. Thank you. Is there a second to that amendment? Don't be bad. Thank you. Is there a second to that amendment? Don't be bad. Hold on one second for me. All right, so no second so the amendment does not pass. So the current motion that we have is the only addition to staff is number 13 for the privacy fence. Any further discussion on that? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? May. So motion does pass. All right, so we're going to move on to our next items on it. So you can stay around and have that, or if you were just here for that particular topic, that discussion has now ended. All right, item number five, legislative items, Z24-000010. zero zero one zero. The staff is Ivy. Thank you. Good evening commissioners. My name is Ivy Bell. Senior planner with the Alachua County Office of Planning and Development. Okay. Item Z240010, a text amendment initiated by the county, amending the comprehensive plan to update the capital improvements project schedules. So in terms of background, the statute requires that local comprehensive plans contain a capital improvements element and as part of that element we have capital improvements schedules or programs for publicly funded capital improvement projects. So the schedule must include an estimate of the costs of the public facilities as well as when the facilities will be needed, the location of the facilities, and the projected revenue sources to fund the facilities. The statute also requires that the capital improvements element be reviewed on an annual basis and updated as necessary. Also in terms of background, the capital improvements element contains schedules of capital improvement projects for multi-modal transportation, recreation, and public schools. And those areas are going to be the focus of this proposed comprehensive plan text amendment. The adopted schedules that are currently in the plan are no longer current and need to be updated in order to be consistent with the state law. So we're going to be focusing on the county's fiscal year 2025 budget, the capital improvements program from that document, the transportation impact fee, mobility fee ordinances, the recreation master plan, and the Alachua County School District five-year facilities work plan. And so at this time, I will turn over the presentation to Chris Dawson, who will address the transportation issues. Thanks, Ivy. Again, Chris Dawson, Principal Planor for Development Services. The first area that we're going to talk about is the transportation, multimodal transportation tables. The reason that we're updating those tables is that the county adopted a mobility fee in November 2023 that went into effect in March. And a mobility fee is sort of like an impact fee. That is, it's a charge that the county can use for capacity. But a mobility fee gives the county a little bit more flexibility about exactly what projects are funded when. The fee is based on the cost of the projects that were adopted as part of the plan. So in the mobility fee that was adopted, there's a list of projects, there are approximate timing as well as the estimated cost for those projects. And that fee is actually based in part on the cost of the projects that are included in the plan. This update includes the project list that were adopted as part of the mobility fee. Generally, as I said, the transportation projects are identified for certain time frames, not for specific years. The reason we do that is that the requirement to construct those projects lies with the county and we don't know exactly the time frame that the mobility fee will have accumulated enough to construct a specific project. So we identify a general time frame where we anticipate that that project would be constructed. Generally, for this update, the current tables that are in our conference of plan today are being replaced with new tables that include similar types of projects. If you looked at the two of them, you'd identify many of the same projects between what we had in before, but projects that weren't completed may carry over. And we also, as part of the Mobility fee, adopted some new projects in some of the tables. There is one new table that is identified in the Comprehensive Plan, that's Table 1E, and that identifies a new type of projects that can be funded with the mobility fee. These are generally not necessarily specific construction projects, but they're more like studies, for example, or potentially signals those kinds of improvements that will add to the capacity of a roadway, but don't necessarily sort of build to the level of needing a particular project in one of the other tables. And then specific projects for any given fiscal year, that is what we're actually going to construct, would be identified as part of the Board of County Commissioners adopted capital improvement plan. That's a five year plan that's adopted along with their budget and that identifies the projects that would be funded over that next year, five-year cycle. So generally for transportation capacity projects, those are going to be projects that are listed in one of the tables that's included in the conference of plan. There may be other projects that are included in the Board's five-year capital improvements program. So that includes things like resurfacing projects or potentially specific signalization projects. Those don't necessarily rise to the level of capacity that's required to be included within the comprehensive plan. And that wraps up the transportation part. I'll turn it back over to Ivy now for the rest of the presentation. Thank you. So next we're going to talk about the recreation element and the capital improvement project table updates concerning our recreation program. So in 2023 the county completed a parks and open space master plan and the master plan serves as a guide for planning and funding recreation capital improvements. The bulk of the funding comes from the wild spaces, public places, one-cent infrastructure surtax, which was passed in 2022, basically a half-cent, which is dedicated to parks and conservation lands. And that SirTex will help the county to realize this long-term, long-range vision of the master plan by providing a dedicated funding source for those improvements to existing facilities as well as new recreation facilities. So the tables in the currently adopted comprehensive plan are no longer current, as I mentioned before, and are proposed to be updated for consistency with the county's budget capital improvements program. The key parks projects identified in the capital improvements program for fiscal years 2025 to 2029, include the acquisition of West End, that property and site improvements to develop it, and Jonesville Park, the soccer stadium, and pickleball courts. Cusco Willa, various amenity enhancements, Copeland Park, playground amenities, and Monioca Park with some amenity enhancements there. So those are just some highlights. I also wanna just mention that the complete schedule was included in your backup material. So in terms of those public schools, of course the Board of County Commissioners does not make the decisions, these decisions are made by the school board in terms of their capital improvements. However, because we do have an interlocal agreement with the school board, the school board, the county, and all the municipalities, I take that back, most of the municipalities in the county have entered into an interlocal agreement. And so as part of our interlocal agreement, we adopt their adopted capital improvement schedule in the plan is no longer current and we're proposing to update and make the comprehensive plan consistent with the school boards five year district facilities work plan. So the updates again are required based on our public school facilities element and the schools in our local agreement. So basically, as a highlight, we have little wood elementary, which is scheduled to have two new classroom buildings and 49 new and renovated classrooms. And so that basically summarizes the update of the capital improvements programs for transportation, recreation, and public schools. The staff recommends that the Planning Commission recommends to the Board of County Commissioners to approve transmittal of comprehensive plan amendment Z24-000010 to the state land planning agency and other agencies for expedited state review pursuant to section 163.3184 Florida Statutes. And so at this time, if you all have any questions or discussion, we will entertain those. All right, thank you. Any questions on my right? I have a question. Sure. I have a question. The transportation list, are they in any particular order? They're not off of that of coal, but they're not time. Is there a priority order there? There are not a priority order. Good, so. Mr. Chair, one thing that we try to do when we have our Transportation Projects is take advantage of grants that might be out there, that might fund one kind of project versus another. So we try not to identify a specific priority. We have general time frames associated with those projects and we look to try and accomplish those projects first, but we try to be opportunistic with those dollars. So there's no particular order on the table. Mr. Chair, there's not a particular order in the tables. All right. Thank you. And then on the school capital improvement, there's so much to scroll. I assume that funding sources, the one cent for the little wooden elementary is the one meal, the sur wood elementary. Is the one meal? Yeah, the Sirtax. Yes. So is that all that the school board has planned until 2028 for a couple of permits is just little wood? Yes. Okay. They must have just, I knew they've done a lot already. So they must have really done the bulk of their plans. Yes. Extensive work throughout the district. Okay. Those are, those are, and I had preferences and I'd like to see things in these lists, but these, these lists have gone through multiple meetings and input, right, for the County Commission and this is, there's not, these are not new lists in the sense that they've just been made, you know, for this meeting they've been around for a while and they're just adapting them to, right? Mr. Chair, I think what I would say is that the projects that are listed in these tables come from extensive public input processes. So whether that was the mobility plan or mobility fee or the county's recreation master plan, I think any time that a citizen has interest in a particular project being on a list that obviously communication with the commission is the best way to make that happen? And so what I'm saying is that this is a process, and maybe there are projects on here that I would not want to prioritize or once I would. But this is a process that has, let's make it, it's gone through a lot of iterations. And so that is what we are tonight. All right, Thank you. Any comments? No, thank you. Mr. Chair, I like to comment. I think staff did an excellent job in explaining this. And if it's okay with you, I would like to move motion. Application number Z24, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 110, as recommended by staff be approved. Second. Motion second. Any discussion? Any comment in the public? All right, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right, motion passes. All right, moving right along. And Ivy Bell again, Senior Planner with the Elijahwa County Department of Growth Management. the county initiated text amendment to the comprehensive plan regarding inclusionary housing. So just as some background in terms of what has happened in our inclusionary housing path in December of 2022, the Board of County Commissioners directed staff to work with the Florida Housing Coalition as our consultant to conduct a feasibility study for inclusionary housing or inclusionary zoning for the county. And so in August of 2023, the first two reports were presented to the county commission to I'm sorry the county's affordable housing advisory committee. And then in September, those reports were presented to the Board of County Commissioners. On March 5th of 2024, the final recommendations from the feasibility study were presented to the County Commission and staff was directed to follow-up on several items. And so this proposed comprehensive plan amendment is a first step in the follow-up of the study recommendations. So basically I just want to talk about what inclusionary housing is. It is a land use policy that is intended to require or incentivize private developers to include affordable housing units as part of their new developments. The policies regarding inclusionary housing typically specify a percentage of the total residential units within a development that will be affordable, the income levels for affordability, and the number of years that those units must remain affordable. Inclusionary housing also promotes the more balanced geographic distribution of affordable housing throughout the community. So there are some statutory requirements the inclusionary housing ordinance may require a developer to provide a specified number of affordable units within a development or contribute to a housing fund or alternative in lieu of building the affordable units. units and in exchange the county must provide incentives to fully offset all the cost to the developer of its affordable housing contribution. That part is part of state law that was changed in 2019. So those incentives may include density or intensity bonuses, reducing or waving application fees, or reduced process requirements, and other incentives. The affordable housing need in a large world county, and this is information that is taken from the feasibility study that was conducted by Florida Housing Coalition. So it was determined that home prices increased twice as fast as area median income for a five year period from 2016 to 2021. There was a dramatic need for rental housing supply in the unincorporated area, particularly rental units affordable for households at or below 60% of area median income. For home ownership, the greatest need is at or below 80% of area median income. And there are predominant housing types that don't align with household needs. In abundance supply of single family, three plus bedroom homes, and a lack of supply for single person and smaller households such as town homes, duplexes, triplexes, those types of units. So the proposed comprehensive plan amendments affect the future land use element in terms of the transit oriented development and traditional neighborhood development in that they enable the substitution of a portion of the required non-residential floor area with affordable residential units and we'll get into some examples to show how that's going to work. So the requirement to provide the affordable units as part of the proposed land use changes to increase residential density and Requirement to provide affordable units as part of proposed expansions to the urban cluster In terms of the TND traditional neighborhood development and the current policy, so development requires a mix of residential and non-residential units. And they are permitted in the urban residential areas within the urban cluster. And TNDs require 10,000 square feet of non-residential use, plus a minimum of 50 square feet and maximum 250 square feet per residential unit. So the proposed changes for the affecting the TND category is that we would allow the substitution of the minimum required non-residential floor area in exchange for affordable residential units. So basically we would allow up to four units per acre density bonus if at least 20% of those bonus units are affordable. And the bonus units would not be included in the calculation of a required non-residential floor area. The affordability threshold or standard that we're looking at is up to 80% of area median income for 30 years as the affordability period. And so this slide basically shows the example. Okay, so a TND with 200 residential units on 25 acres would be required to have 20,000 square foot minimum non-residential floor area and up to 60,000 square feet as a maximum. So we would be able to substitute by providing for one example, the developer could provide 20 affordable units at 80% of area median income, reducing their non-residential requirement to 10,000 square feet, or they could provide 10 affordable units at 50% of area median income to reduce that non-residential requirement to 10,000 square feet. And so within this example, different combinations could be utilized in terms of which income categories and the household income categories are being impacted. And in terms of the bonus density option, up to an additional four residential units per acre on 25 acres, which would be 100 bonus units. If 20% of the total bonus units, which would be 20, are affordable at 80% of area median income. So it's basically a way to, I'll use the phrase, buy down the non-residential requirement. In terms of transit, oriented development, this summarizes the current policy, and this picture is an example of transit-oriented development celebration point. So the TOD is a development type that requires a mix of residential and non-residential uses with density and intensity needed to support public transit. It requires compact design with interconnected network of narrow streets to promote bicycle and pedestrian circulation. And this is permitted within the urban residential areas and activity centers within the urban cluster. It also requires 10,000 square feet of non-residential plus a minimum 100 square feet and maximum 500 square feet per residential unit. So the proposed policy changes would allow for the substitution of the minimum required non residential floor area in exchange for affordable residential uses. Just like with the TND, it would allow for up to four units per acre density bonus for transit oriented development. If at least 20% of the bonus units are affordable and the affordability standard is up to 80% area median income for 30 years. And so the example for the transit development. We're looking at 800 residential units on 50 acres. So that development would be required to have 90,000 a minimum of 90,000 square feet of non-residential floor area and up to 410,000 square feet as a maximum. So the substitution would look like this, they would be able to provide 80 affordable units at 80% of area median income and reduce their required non-residential to 50,000 square feet, or provide 40 affordable units at 50% of area median income reducing their minimum required non-residential to 50,000 square feet. And again, different combinations could be utilized. In terms of the bonus density option, up to an additional four residential units per acre on 50 acres or 200 bonus units. So 20% or 40 of those units would be affordable at 80% of area median income. Also, we're looking at any proposed future land use map change applications to increase residential density would be required to include a commitment to provide affordable housing. 10% of the increase in the number of residential units would be required to be designated as affordable to households with income at or below 80% of area median income for 30 years. The example that's given if there is a proposed future land use map change from low density residential to medium density residential for a 20 acre property. So currently the maximum residential units would be 80 units and the maximum proposed under the proposed plan, 20 units at 8 units per acre with the increase would be 160 units. So the increase in the maximum number of units resulting from the proposed change would be 80 units. So based on what we're proposing is 10% of the increase or eight units would be required to be affordable at or below 80% of area median income. And in terms of any proposed urban cluster expansion applications would be required to include a commitment to provide affordable housing. 25% of the increase in the residential units for any urban cluster expansion applications would be required to be affordable to households with income at or below 80% of area median income for 30 years. And the example that's given. So if there is a future land use map change application from rural agriculture to low-density residential. So one has a maximum of one unit per five acres and they're applying to go to four units per acre for a hundred acre property. So currently, they would be allowed 20 units with one unit per five acre. And under the proposed, what they are applying for would take them up to 400 units. So the increase in the units is 380 units. And based on what we're proposing in terms of requiring affordable units, 20 of 25% of the increase, that would yield 95 affordable units. Again affordable for incomes at or below 80% of area median income. So basically the housing element would be amended by we would be expanding the target income levels for land use incentives to promote the development of new affordable housing for households with incomes up to 80% of area median income. Currently the target, the policies target very low and extremely low. We would be adding the impact fee and mobility fee assistance among the menu of incentives that the county could offer and we would have to make changes to the county's impact fee and mobility fee ordinances in order to implement this incentive. We would also be adding a policy to recognize the additional density bonuses offered by the county for developments proposed under the Live Local Act and we would be establishing a definition of inclusionary housing and so this is the proposed definition inclusionary housing which is also sometimes called inclusionary zoning. And we presented the Comprehensive Plan Amendment, the proposed amendments to the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee in September. And they made basically three recommendations, one of which is going to be presented directly to the Board of County Commissioners. It's basically a strategy that the AHAC recommended that the board reconsider. And the other two, we have implemented in the proposed amendment. One of them had to do with the tiered substitution rates for TOD and TND, depending on the level of affordability. And the second one was to increase the inclusionary housing percentage for the urban cluster expansions to 25% of the increase. We had initially proposed 10%. So we did go with the AHAC recommendations. And so our recommendation for the planning commission is that you recommend that the Board of County Commissioners approve the Transmiddell of Comprehensive Plan Amendment Z24-000011 to the state land planning agency and other agencies for expedited state review Persuant to section 163.3184 Florida Statues and I'm happy to entertain any questions. Thank you Do we have any questions? I have one one question. Just well, what is the current am I? The area median income and this number is determined by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. And I'm saying all that because when I saw it, I was blown away. It is 96,800 for 2024. Thank you. Yes. Any other questions? I have some questions. Has there been any modeling to show what the potential increase in affordable housing would be under the implementation of these suggestions. Like how much land is available to go from outside the urban cluster inside, and then how many potential T&Ds or TUDs, wondering if that number is known, it seems small. Mr. Chair, we have not done that depth of an analysis. We do know that based on the history of the past 20 years of our voluntary incentive-based inclusionary housing program, we got a whopping total of zero units. we're not just in the community, but we're just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the community. We're not just in the back kind of things. I think the commissioner's question is really, so there's a couple parts. One, yeah, we don't have a ton of TNDs. That's true. A good number of them are built out, but we do have some that have non-residential area available. We have preliminary development plans, at least approved on some that could potentially take advantage of this if they didn't want to build out the required non-residential or wanted to come back and look for additional density bonuses. In addition, you know, we don't know who might ask for a land use amendment on a piece of property. Maybe this makes it attractive to them and to the county in a way that it wouldn't have been before. And so I think there's a goal in sort of creating that opportunity for people to look for that. And then the final part I would say is one thing about expanding the cluster is it's not just about only induce amendment. There's a lot of infrastructure planning that goes along with that as well. And we have some other requirements in the comprehensive plan that go along with expanding the cluster. So, I don't think that it's an easy sort of, um, give me analysis to say it's going to result in this many units or this many acres of land that are going to, um, change. I think the idea is, um, you know, potentially at some point the cluster will have to expand, um, and so what happens then? And Mr. Chair, I do want to add that there is some analysis not completely extensive but it is included in the backup material in the Florida housing coalition feasibility study. And then, so the 2019 state law that are required that any inclusionary zoning or that developers would be compensated for the value of the inclusionary zoning. Is that how you came up with these calculations? For example, the reduction in the non-residential space, trying to find the slide. For example, the TND, the minimum is 2000 now, so it would go down to 10,000 or 20, affordable units at 80% AMI, is there, is, what was there a calculation to determine that would be the cost to the developers to develop this 24, or 24 units be essentially equivalent to the almost having of the non-residential floor space. Mr. Chair, the calculation is difficult if not impossible to do. And so basically this would give the developer something of value that would be acceptable to him or her as that offset. And so that's what most local governments are having to do because no one really knows how to calculate the cost of development or how to value the incentives that the local governments would be offering. So basically local governments and developers are agreeing, yes, you know, we'll take this. And so that's what we're basically proposing. And then the bonus density option, isn't there a bonus density now that, like I just said, is not going to take an advantage of. What's the difference between now and what's being proposed? The difference now, Mr. Chair, is that it is in combination with something else. It's in combination with the substitution of the floor area requirement. requirement and so that is kind of like something as they say in New Orleans is laying up is something extra or something on top. In addition to the units that would be made affordable through the substitution, then you also put the bonus density units in there. And then said the reason why T&D's, TOD's and cluster expansion are being looked at is because you want this, give us this, and that those are the trigger points of being able to negotiate development. However, the T&Ds and TODs, they serve a purpose in the way that we develop in that just all suburban residential is costly to taxpayers because of the infrastructure and even the commutes and the health impacts of that. So this is not really a question. I will say that. I guess it's not, another thing that's incalculable is the cost of the infrastructure and the cost of reducing, of increasing trips if there's not a more local, you know, dentist office or a retail or restaurant that could serve someone rather than driving, you know, a few more miles. They can walk or bike there. So, and Mr. Chair, I do want to point out that we're not completely eliminating the non-residential floor area. We're taking it down for TOD to 50,000 and for TND to 10,000 square feet. And then lastly, this has been before the affordable housing committee, I forget that name a bit. Has it been reviewed by any other stakeholders? Mr. Chair, the... The equity, thank you. Mr. Chair, the equity advisory board, the county's equity advisory board has reviewed it. And the developers have as well. Yes, we have had extensive meetings, discussions, conversations. I don't know if you wanna speak to the... No, that's all right, that's enough. Yeah, okay, I think you appreciate it. Okay. Yes, sir. Mr. Chair, I'm very impressed with what is presented here today. I do have a couple questions. You say you're not going to do away with any, with all of the commercial requirements in order to get an approval by the county. You're going to have a limited to ten thousand or a minimum ten thousand square feet in TNDs. Mr. Chair, yes that's correct. Ten thousand square feet would be the the minimum would be the requirement for TND and 50,000 square feet for TOD. The I was driving down 13th Street with a client the other day and they were commenting We're commenting about all the vacancies in the first floor of the, quote, high-rise residential development. And then we turned east on University Avenue and looked at the other vacancies along the way. I think this is a good way to suggest that we can do better with affordable housing. One thing that I'm concerned about is from the legal standpoint of maintaining the requirement for affordable housing for 30 years. Has anybody talked about that and the matter in which that's going to happen? Mr. Chair, that would be accomplished through a land use restriction agreement. And communities throughout the state have used those. Some communities have used affordability periods of 50 years. Some have even said in perpetuity. Mr. Chair, if I can, I just wanted to follow up and say that over the last year we've worked a good bit on lane use restriction agreements. We have adopted a couple of different land development regulations over the last six months or so in our live local act implementation which allows for affordable multi-family residential developments within non-residential zoning districts as required by state statute as well as the allowance for the development or conversion I should say of existing hotel properties in BH to multi-family both of those in our land development regulations we require a land use restriction agreement which is a long-term agreement between the county and the developer to provide those affordable units. Those agreements include enforcement procedures for the county as well as a reporting mechanism for any developer. We think those have been reviewed, we know they've been reviewed by the county attorney's office and we think they're enforceable. We also use those same kinds of agreements in some of the county's other grant mechanisms. Well thank you. I think that's really terrific and I'm glad to hear that Alanchro County's doing that in the for future development. Thank you very much for all you've done. Any other questions over here? Mr. Chair, I am a member of the HAC committee, housing committee through this board. I was appointed to be served as a member for the planning committee. Should I exclude myself from voting? I don't believe that's necessary now. Okay, thank you. I do have a couple questions. You did said you are working with the developers so like, Bansep and stuff have been, you looked at this, I mean, I don't see a whole bunch of people in the audience that are upset about it. So I'm assuming that the builders and developers, you know, work side by side with you guys on this. They try to do something that's better than what's not working now. Mr. Chair, this discussion has been going on for more than 20 years. So everyone is aware of the county's inclusionary housing history, the road to how we got here and and there have been discussions with the the entire community you know has been made aware of what we've been proposing. And the others like Gainesville are they having their own set now how do we align with their Their rules are we playing by two separate different playbooks Mr. Chair the city of Gainesville which they have just this year adopted inclusionary housing they are inclusionary housing. Their inclusionary housing policy is only for multi-family because as Mr. Much just described, the situation in Gainesville is quite different from what is going on in the unincorporated county. So they are trying to capture affordability in the units that according to their feasibility study are needed. And so that's, you know, our program is teller to hours. It certainly helps to have the city and county with inclusionary housing programs so that there's not the probability that development will leave one area for another. So with both of the programs pretty much coming online around the same time that that should be really helpful. Do any of the other cities have any involvement or are they doing anything on outside of what? I am not aware of any of the other municipalities in the county considering or looking at inclusionary housing, again, situations are different. Development patterns and needs, and all of that is so different. Do we know of any, you know, locale that's doing something similar to what you're proposing that has had it in place for 10 years or so and what the results of that is? The really interesting thing about this whole process is that we finally recognize that a one-size-approach to inclusionary housing is just not really going to work. So you pretty much have to have a customized approach. And I think that's what we have with Florida Housing Coalition with the AHEC and the community at large. That's pretty much what we have developed. All right. Mr. Chairman, nice. Hold on one second. Go ahead I'm going to go ahead. I met this earlier. The policy is referred to units. So that could be rental or homeowner units. Is that correct? Yes. So I believe our initial strategy talked about rental units. And so we are expanding it to include rental and home ownership. Would there be, to me, if I were a developer, I would just see all rental. I wouldn't do any homeowner. It seems like it would be more beneficial if I'm building multi-family. Has that been explored, rather, if the proportion, would all the residential, or four boroughs, you'd potentially be all rental. Could that be a possibility? Mr. Chair, it could be a possibility, again, based on the feasibility study that was done that show where the opportunities are, there are opportunities in for rental units, particularly at the lower income levels, but realistically for homeownership, you're going to need at least 80% of area median income. That's why I brought it up because the affordable ability standard is a maximum 80% AMI for 30 years. So, and that was from the home ownership is the 80%. I guess that would be the maximum. I, yeah. Okay, thank you. Mr. Watts. Thank you. I'd like to, Mr. Chair, to ask the staff if any thought has been given to going out to the smaller communities in Elatua County and saying that, saying if they would work with with the county staff to modify the zoning codes for those communities so that they can take part in this. As the city attorney for three of the small communities, I've seen what needs to be done. And many of the smaller communities need this very, very, you know, right away. And the other thing is, I'm afraid that if this happens too much, it will create a situation for more annexation of, for high in a latchway in Newbury so that Developers will go in and say okay, you know, I'm here and I can either develop as an alacrow county subdivision or Development or I can go in and do whatever I want and newberry or high springs. And I just, I would think it would really be a good, something good for the entire community, the entire Alachua County community. Mr. Chair, that, of course, you know, if this planning commission wanted to include that recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners because they would have to direct us to do that. All right. Any other questions? Motion? I move approval of application number Z24-000011 and recommend approval to the county commission of this application. Second. All right, so we're second. Second. All right, any discussion on the board level? I go back to the urban cluster expansion. Those words give me a huge amount of pause. But I want to ask Mr. Dossin to expand on that earlier, when you said it earlier, and what is in the comp plan that would, so what you're saying is this is in place. If the expansion would probably be first, or when it will happen, this will be in place. Not that this is in place, therefore puts pressure to expand their been cluster because of infrastructure, the cost of infrastructure, et cetera. Is that, am I getting that correct? Mr. Chair, this is not replacing any of the current requirements that we have for expansion of the cluster. This is sort of an additional requirement, if you will. I don't know that this makes it more or less likely that someone looks for that. It's not necessarily an additional bonus density. If you are going to expand the cluster, you're probably looking for that additional density anyway. Again, it's a voluntary kind of thing. No property owners required to come into the cluster. So like I said, we're not replacing any of the current requirements in the comprehensive plan that relate to expanding the urban cluster. What are some of those requirements, if you don't mind, just based in a very simple one. Yeah. So you do have to look for an additional set aside where those units might come from. So that's almost like a transfer of development rights in a way. You have to identify any necessary infrastructure within the conference plan that's required to support that development. You would have to, gosh, I don't remember all of them. It's a heavy enough lift that we haven't had it happen yet. All right. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Does that mean one from the public comments? Thank you. I want to make sure you have some background. The existence of the housing pattern we have comes from a difficult history. Talking about Jim Crow and Redlining. And though those things are currently illegal, so many of the things that were going on in our society at those same times that linked ethnicity and social economic status so rigidly that we think it's natural for black folks to be poor, which is not natural, it's just been that way and reinforced systemically for a long time. So that now we have a economically segregated housing pattern. It's 85, 90% the same as the racially segregated pattern. That's one issue why we need inclusionary zoning. So I want to recommend you to the National Law Income Housing Coalition and the Urban Land Institute for numerous studies, case studies, and various areas all over the country. Cities similar and dissimilar to Gainesville, experiments with inclusionary zoning, and how they work and don't work. The levels that make a difference and the idea is to be transformative. If we see we have a problem and we have an affordable housing crisis for sure. I don't think anybody denies that. I've been talking about inclusionary zones and local governments back to the 90s, but I guess I had one crystal ball. But I was pretty sure it was coming. So, you know, I'm glad Planner Bell brought out that the city and the county offered these incentives for over two decades, reduced setbacks, density bonuses, expedited permits, and other things to try to get, include, get affordable housing units. But they got basically goose, because the city got some, they got Tiger Bay apartments, and what's the other one Jennings did? Tiger Bay, and I forgot the name. We have two affordable housing complexes in the last decade and a half. And look where they are because of other factors to do with HUD funding and what's called DDA, difficult to develop area. They end up globbened right on top of existing poverty areas. That's further concentrating poverty. That's why location is so important. Now the city is talking about going ahead with the plan. With those studies I've tried to reference you to, will show you why if you go below 80, if you don't get down at least to 50% AMI, you are missing the bulk of the need. And if you don't get to 20% set aside, you're doing fluff. You're not doing transformation. And the city's plan is tunnel vision, in my opinion, by only doing rental units. People in poverty should be able to strive for the dignity of ownership too. Mr. Blunt, will you please state your name on the record? Oh, Collie Blunt, I'm a member of the Board of the Housing Authority, past chair, I'm on the A-Hack, I'm also on the Housing Finance Authority, and the City's Development Review Committee. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair, commissioners. My name is Bobby Marmer. I'm a member of the Allotter County Affordable Housing Advisory Committee as well as the Gainesville City Plan Board Speaking half speaking on behalf of just myself tonight and my experience on both boards not for a hacker for the city plan board as a whole And I have a couple things To share is that worth the over? I'm sorry. And a moment. All right. So four things I wanted to bring up. And I'm probably going to have time. But if you have any questions, I'm more than willing to come back up and answer them. One, I think it was Commissioner Young who had asked about the state requirement that the developers be made whole for inclusionary zoning programs. That's for mandatory programs which they this is not. This is technically a voluntary program because it's basically requiring a affordable set aside in exchange for an additional benefit and they have the option to opt to not take that benefit. The additional density or reduce square footage of non-residential space as opposed to the city's program which is truly mandatory. They can take the bonus or not, but they do have to provide the affordable units. Another thing, the first of the three motions that were approved by AHAC, that we are sending to straight to the County Commission is a mandatory policy looking at the feasibility of having one of those programs, mandatory programs, at the census track level, specifically those census tracks that are adjacent to the city limits. So hopefully this board might be interested in also expressing a desire to look at that. The Florida Housing Coalition also included that as a possibility in their report. So the more advisory committees and commissions that sort of sound the alarm to the County Commission, the better. All right. Number three, the transit are the traditional neighborhood development and transit oriented development changes. We noted just like Commissioner Much has said that a lot of this space is difficult to fill anyways. You have a lot of empty space. So this is also hopefully another incentive that will provide, would provoke developers to actually take advantage of the program. Number four, and this is my mistake because I actually moved to approve these minutes at today's AHAC meeting and I missed something. To my recollection, or according to my recollection, when it comes to the recommendation, or when it comes to inclusionary zoning for expansion to the urban services boundary, we had actually said that it would be 25% or we recommend a 25% of additional units be set aside for households making at or below 50% AMI not 80. We wanted the for urban boundary expansions only. We wanted that to be a 50% A and my not 80. Thank you. Any other public comment? All right, I think commissioners have questions for the public. Mr. Chair, I have a question. I'm glad Mr. Blount was here today because he serves, I served with them on previous planning commission and we talked about this lot I didn't hear if you Prove the recommendation if you are not She talked about 20% suicide and we're not at 20% here. I came here to push for the deeper limits, the 20% and the 50% AMI. 50, okay. I had an older student. An older student. So 50% of AMI and increasing, Okay. I will say that the retail space on University Avenue is very different than the retail space in Teoga and in Hale and other T&Ds. Those are maxed out. There are different market pressures that play. So I will say that. And this is difficult to make changes on the fly because I don't know what the value is for 10 units. I don't know what the value is for decreasing 10 square feet of retail space. I am all for pressing this as far as possible, but I don't know where the limit is. So I welcomed the 50% AMI change for the urban cluster was one of them and I forget what was the other way. 20% size. 20% size. 20% size. But again, it's difficult to understand the impacts of each of these changes. So I'll say that. Any other questions? I have a comment, Chairman. I was like, well, thank everybody involved for this, especially with this application number. There's a lot of heartwork and thought processes in that. And I really thank them for the heartwork they did and consider everybody and just when they bought it before you. All right. Have a motion. I move that we approve application number Z24. That's 000011 as recommended by staff. Approved by staff. May it. I'm going to stand up. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. You're right. We went to public comment after that. Yeah. Would we like to discuss any of the proposed changes? So my discussion on that is there's been a lot of smart people that went around and around and around about this and the 35 minutes that we talked about, I don't think I really would have an opinion though I have a desire. I employ a lot of people that live outside the county because they can't afford to live in the county so they transit in to work for everyone who lives here and then they leave to go home and it's very frustrating on me for that but I think this is a step in the right direction. I agree with you Mr. Chair. Any other discussion? All right. So let's go let's ask I guess staff that question and do you have to change or modify anything based on that? We based the information on we got the motion from the A-HECC. We got the language, Mr. Chair, is what I'm trying to say, from the person who recorded the minutes. And so that's what we incorporated. So through this, if this gets transmitted, it's still going to come up again. There could be some changes between now and then that a recommendation could be made at this. Mr. Chair, now that we know that that was a type or whatever, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, so we use the information that we were given. And Mr. Chair, I just want to be clear that obviously staff has brought a staff report in a recommendation to you on policies, but that doesn't tie the planning commission's hands on making a recommendation to the commission. You're also not the final decision-making authority on this, you're making a recommendation to the board for them to transmit to the state for review. So if the Planning Commission wants to recommend a different language in those policies then what staff is recommended we will take that to the board for their consideration. I would consider a friendly amendment to change the 50% to 20%. Is that, isn't that correct? 25% to 25% I'm sorry. Change from 25 to 50. Mr. Chair. I'll let Mr. Murmert tell us what he would like. So we're asking what the A-HAC's recommendation was. Of the AMI. Is that AMI? Yeah, you see here, and I should have reviewed these better before coming to today's meeting earlier today's A-HAC meeting. But you see here, there were three motions related to inclusionary zoning. Ignored the highlighted part, just look at where I'm circled. The TND and TOD recommendations, it says that's going to be targeted for those at or below 50% AMI. That's supposed to say 80% AMI. And then down with urban, down where you have the urban services boundary expansion, it says 80%. AMI, that's supposed to be 50% AMI. Those got switched around and I messed it, that's my fault. So is that the permission? Yeah. What's the actual amendment that you're putting forward? Oh, as Mr. Murrland. actual amendment that you're putting forward. Oh, as Mr. Murman. Swapping number two to say 50% and numbers three to say 80%. 80%. Is there a second? Yeah, just to clarify the original, the original maker of the motion can amend it so that's what you are doing now I'm just clarifying for the record yes sir second his amendment uh Mr. Chair before you get to that I just I just want to be clear that um you know we've we've substantially altered the policies that we have um for the tnd2d that staff is recommended um that includes a sliding scale. So it's an 80%. You get one bonus, 50%. You get another. So that's a little bit different than what's specifically in the recommendation from AHAC. The real difference between the two is in the urban cluster expansion. And that would be to lower the threshold, the AMI, amount from the 80% to the 50%. So that's really the only difference between what AHAC recommended and what staff's current recommendation is. It's just the urban cluster expansion. That's correct. Is that what we're voting for? Well, we're not voting. We're just going to have a amendment first. If no one seconds it, then we'll go back to the original. Well, should in the second or the original motion be take part in this? If she wants it. Yes. That's what I'm asking. She wants it. I apologize. What is the amended motion now? Is it just the urban cluster change or is it the other change as well? Is that what? So how I understood it and you can correct me if I'm wrong is to change the urban cluster wording from the 80 to the 50. Yes sir. And then the, okay we're just going to leave it at that. Thank you. And then you're the seconder for that. Oh seconder. Fantastic. Thank you. And then you're the seconder for that. Oh, second. Fantastic. All right. So as written with the exception of the urban cluster from 80 down to 50. Fantastic. All right. Any discussion on that? All right. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right. I think we got that straight. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. All right, five, six, seven annual workshop. I guess that's over to you, Chris. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So this is pretty simple and quick. I don't want to take too much of your time. The each year, the planning commission and all of our other boards that report to the plan to the Board of County Commissioners Do provide a work plan that includes a summary of the things that they've done over the past year and also looks forward to the next year and the things that we can anticipate So the work plan that you have Identifies the applications that this board considered over the last year Obviously, we don't know what applications will come up during the next year for you. We hope maybe some more than you've considered so far. We have 12 meetings scheduled. You've already had your first two for this year. And we know there will be one in December as well. We'll have workshops as needed. And probably the biggest upcoming part that the Planning Commission will play is part of the evaluation and appraisal process. Every seven-ish years, the state requires that the county adopt or identify any necessary changes in the comprehensive plan that are required to come into compliance with changes in state statute as well as any other issues that might be identified by the County Commission. Obviously, the Planning Commission plays a role in both identifying those issues and reviewing any proposed changes to the Comprehensive Plan. So we'll be kicking that process off probably in January or February of this year. And you'll see presentations coming to you over the course of the next year, at least as we work through that process. I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have on that. This will go to the board just as a consent item for them. You don't have to get up and make a presentation unless you would like to, Mr. Chair, and you're more than welcome to. How many minutes do I get? As many as you want, probably Mr. Chair, as many as you want. If not, if there are no questions, that's all I have on that item. And you can. If you want to get through view and anyone have anything additions that they want to add to it. I'm excited about this compliment review. You can share it. You could sign that for me please. That's the original and we'll put that on for the work. I definitely will. Do we need to move on that or just my signature, right? You. Yeah, I think authorizing the chair signature probably will. I moved and authorize our chair to sign the annual Work Plan Accomplish Report for Frisco Year 2023-2024. Second. All right. All in favor. Hi. Any opposed? All right. Thank you commissioners. Tenants report. Anyone object anything that was in the attendance report? I don't think I saw anything. All right. Excellent. Commissioner comments. Any comments? I will not be here for December. I'll be out of the country. Do we have December meeting? Yes. We do have an application to consider in our December meeting. Great. Is that the 17th? Yeah, I think we need to. That meeting would be on the, but, Trisha, do you remember the date for that? I think it's 18th. 18th. Oh, I'm good. OK. We will send out a reminder email so if things change between now and then you can just let us know but we do have an application to consider a thought about that. All right well with that said and I want the business. Meeting adjourned.