The meeting of the County of Orange Board of Supervisors will begin shortly. If you would like to address the Board of Supervisors, please follow these steps. Complete a speaker request form. Deposit your completed form in the box, adjacent to the speaker podium. Public comments can also be submitted electronically via email at response at ocgov.com I'm going to go back to the place where I'm going to go. I'm going to go back to the place where I'm going to go. I'm going to go back to the place where I'm going to go. I'm going to go back to the place where I'm going to go. I'm going to go back to the place where I'm going to go. I'm going to go back to the place where I'm going to go. I'm going to go back to the place where I'm going to go. The meeting of the Orange County Board of Supervisors. For today's presentation, I and well we will be recognizing Chris Pervat, the second member and general board member of the Orange County Employees Retirement System or OSERS. And let me invite up Chris, OSERS CEO Steve Delaney. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Ocer CEO Steve Delaney, any other Ocer's board members who are here and members of the Orange County Employees Association in the audience come and join us for this presentation. Come on up. We got room. Not all speaking though all right after 12 years of service to the county of orange Chris will be retiring and we are honoring his dedication to our public employees all right Chris has served with distinction All right. Chris has served with distinction earning the trust of fellow osurs members and bringing integrity, knowledge, and a tireless commitment to the role. He's been a champion of retirement security not only for osurs members, but for working families across our county. His steadfast advocacy has ensured that the OSRA system remains strong, fair, and sustainable, and enduring legacy that benefits generations to come. Chris's deep understanding of public service stems from his long and impactful career with the Orange County Healthcare Agency, starting his career in 1997, where he worked as a program supervisor. Chris directly supported our community's health and well-being. He carried this perspective to the Oarsers Board, bringing invaluable insights into the needs and concerns of public servants and their families. As a trustee on the Oarsers Board of Retirement, Chris has shown clear vision and strong leadership helping to guide policies and to safeguard the system's financial health. His contributions have been instrumental to ensuring that our retirement system remains secure and effective for the hardworking men and women of Orange County. Chris is longstanding service embodies the very best qualities of public leadership, integrity, dedication, and advocacy. His work has left a lasting impact on this community, and we are profoundly grateful for his countless contributions. We wish Chris the very best, as he embarks on this next chapter of his life, may it be filled with new adventures, personal growth, and cherished moments with his loved ones. Join me in a round of applause for Chris. And before we hear from the man of the hour, if any of my colleagues would like to say a few words. Did you want to say anything? Three, two, one. Hello, good morning everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and enjoyed time with your family and friends. I'm Katrina Foll, your county supervisor representing the 5th district. The fabulous 5th district covers Costa Mesa where I live all the way to San Clemente. And I've known Chris for what is it? 20 years, something like that. A long time, he's been a true public servant here for our county and before joining Ocers 12 years ago, he worked 30 years for the County of Orange. Chris joined the County of Orange and their health care agency as a program supervisor in 1997. I think I must have met you the following year because that's when I got involved. His passion for service included his fellow county employees. And he, as you know, was elected to the Osser's Board of Trustees as a general board member in 2012, subsequently reelected 2015, 18 and 21, and serving the county employees for a total of 12 years. While on the Osser's Board, he guided establishment of the personnel committee. As the committee's first chair, Chris led the revisions of their compensation and incentive policies to ensure that OSERS was competitive when it comes to recruiting new talent. He also served as chair for various committees from 2019 through 2022 and as board chair in 2018. As trustee has worked with an exceptional Ocer staff and we have some of them here today, saw the valuation of the retirement fund more than double to almost $21 billion. And I understand we'll be fully funded by 2030. Is that right? Well, that's what they tell us. So let's hope that everything holds. Thank you for understanding the unique needs of the general members and fighting every day to make sure our hardworking county staff can retire with dignity. Standing together, we can ensure that a lifetime of public service comes with retirement security. Thank you, Chris, for all of your work on behalf of the County of Orange employees and the greater good for our county. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. I'm Vicente Semyanto Orange County Supervisor for the second district. I didn't prepare any remarks, Chris, because we've known each other for a little bit since my time on the City Council in Santa Ana and then as mayor. I just wanted to say I'm very jealous about your plans for retirement. You're going to be moving to Paris so he was rubbing it in. But I couldn't think of anybody who deserves it more because he's a dedicated county employee and OCA in the house. Right? Are we in the house? All right, let's give it up for OCA. But his work on Ocers, his work at HCA, but his work with the county employees is so important and valuable. Chris, we're gonna miss you, but it's well deserved. Enjoy your time, my friend. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Applause. your time, my friend. Thank you. Thank you. Dr. J. Febius Chairman and Fourth of your supervisor. Keep it short. I just want to wish you happiness. And thank you for the great work you did as you make other people's happy when they retire as well because the financial security you help us get. So thank you and please enjoy. Happy motoring. All right let me invite up now Chris Barat. Chris, come on up. Well thank you very much. Boarders supervisors. Yeah I've known all of you for quite some time. I'm looking forward to retirement. And what I've learned is the best decision I ever made was to get a job with the county and stick it out for 27, 28 years. I have the ability to retire. Not so much to Paris, South of France, but on my retirement, on my retirement benefit, no other funds needed. That's the benefit that you get from being a county employee. And, you know, I always tell my colleagues, you know, yeah, you got your retirement, you need to have your savings, and you need to put additional money in a pension savings account so that you have that ability to retire and enjoy your retirement instead of working for minimum wage somewhere to supplement your income. Members of the Board have mentioned various accomplishments. accomplishments, I think one of my favorite accomplishment is the work I've put into help us become a board that works well together. When I got there, it was the four appointed members versus the four elected members in Sherry Friedenrich stuck in the middle. And we were fighting all the time. We couldn't agree on what color the sky was. When it was quite clear that the sky was not gray, it was blue, but anyway. But we're now at a point where the board functions incredibly well together. We have a great group of board members. There are four appointed seats that are coming up for reappointment. I certainly would encourage that the existing members either apply for reappointment or be reappointed because it helps with the continuity of the organization. The fact that we work together well is what has made the pension system in Orange County so strong. We've taken it from being on somewhat shaky ground after the global financial crisis to being one of the largest county pension systems in the state. I just have you know again, I want to thank the board. I want to thank my colleagues on on the O's Board, and of course my colleagues with basically all of OCEA for their support and encouragement in the work that I've been able to do as a member of the board. So thank you very much, and I look forward to retirement. I think I'm going to hide my email address. But you know one, sorry, forgot. We've managed, we have a new trustee who's coming in to take my place. She's much better looking and her name is Iris Barita and where is Iris right there? Wave. Iris and she starts the first January on the Osir's board. So thank you very much. Thank you Chris and before we take a picture and bid a wall to Chris, let's hear from the Ooster CEO Steve Delaney. Thank you all. Um, the love great thing said about Chris absolutely. What I want to emphasize is Chris's willingness to serve and why that has been so important. Chris talked about the board. Um, continuity on the board is just incredible. I want to just give you a practical explanation of how that played out with Osiris. When Chris came on the board in 2012, we had about $9 billion in assets. We had a sister system nearby that had almost the same amount of dollars in their fund, same size, and so on. They had turnover. They had problems with their board for some years every covered now, but they went through a tough time. We didn't. We've had a board that has stayed together year after year. I want to give thanks to Chris for being willing to serve four terms to be part of that continuity. I also want to thank the board of supervisors, continuing to send us appointed members that have experienced to be reappointed. Today, that sister system stands at about 17 and a half billion dollars. We stand at almost 24 billion dollars. So that continuity of a board plays out in almost 6 billion more dollars because of having that body doing such hard work on behalf of all our members. I want to thank Chris for his part in that as well as the Board of Super, the County Board of Supervisors. Thank you. All right, thank you. Let's see about getting everybody in a shot. Let's kind of move down, centered under the seal and the flags. Chris is in the middle. And we're just going to be a bit of this. Where is your son? Where is your son? Where is your son? Where is your son? Where is your son? Where is your son? 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Thank you for the opportunity to offer opening words for this meeting. I hope everyone enjoyed your holiday, your Thanksgiving holiday, and you had some time to relax and some time to gather with family and friends. Let us take this moment before we begin to pause and reflect on why we joined here together today. Today we consider many important items that impact the lives of real people in very meaningful ways. The public trust requires that every issue to be considered, be considered on its own merit, decided through rational problem solving, and guided by ethics and integrity. May be learned from yesterday's challenges to guide our decisions today. During this meeting, let us remember to be concerned for the well-being of all among us, to use reason to guide our debate and learn from the differing views among us, even when we disagree. Without disagreement, we would not learn from one another. Our county faces many challenges, but none which are too great for us to meet together. As we forge ahead toward a common good for the county, our best solutions are result of compromise and working together. I wish all of our county family and the community a joyful, loving, holiday season. Remember to give grace to others. It can be a stressful time of year for many, especially for those who are struggling. Linda Han, check on a neighbor and share a meal to bring more joy to all. Thank you. Good morning everyone. If you'll please join me in pledging allegiance to the flag by placing your right hand over your heart repeating after me. I pledge allegiance to the flag. and Thank you. And Sarmiento, just a couple of reminders for today's meeting. Please use the main entrance when entering and leaving the room. All other doors are alarmed and are for emergency exit only. Please set all phones to mute or vibrate at this time and for the duration of the meeting. A listing of changes to today's agenda along with agendas and requests to speak or located in the lobby outside the boardroom. The board will be breaking for lunch around the new hour during which time we will also recess to close session. Parking validation for the P4 parking lot adjacent to the County Administration north is available. Please see the deputy clerk next to the podium to receive a parking validation card. We'll now proceed to the agenda for this morning's meeting. The agenda contains a brief description of each item to be considered, except as otherwise provided by law. No action shall be taken on any item, not appearing in today's agenda. The agenda is divided into sections. All matters on the consent calendar are approved by one motion unless a board member requests separate action on a specific item. Any member of the public may also ask the board to be heard on any item on the consent calendar. 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And the public has requested to pull from the consent calendar items 2, 3, and 6. All right. Thank you very much and surprise Foley. I hate to break the consent calendar but I like to pull item 5. I didn't realize everyone was going to pull all right. All good. All good. All right. I'll start me into. Yes, Mr. I think we're going to have to pull the entire consent calendar because I was going to pull item four and seven simply to comment on the good work that's being done there. But maybe we can move the consent and I can just comment on those. We don't need no stupid consent. Yes, you're free to comment. However you'd like to take. Which is left. We do have several items left on the consent calendar. And so- I'll move the balance. The balance has been moved and you want to pull, I'm sorry, four and seven. All right, go ahead and make those- All right. You just- and seven. All right, go ahead and make those. All right. You just can man clerk the requests to speak are on two three and six six. All right. Let's take the balance of the consent and supervise Sarmiento floor is yours to comment on those two items. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I simply want to commend the efforts for item number four. This is on vital records management system. This new contract. This is on vital records management system. This new contract with Tyler Technologies for vital records management system is going to provide an online application option, allowing residents to request birth and death certificates or burial permits without needing to visit in person. So those with mobility and access problems are going to be saved a lot of time and effort. Transitioning from a manual paper-based process to a digital platform streamlines of process allows for faster processing of requests of these certificates which will reduce the turnaround time for these vital records that sometimes are needed in real time. I'm always supportive of initiatives that simplify the process and making the county much more efficient. I just wanted to make sure that are we still going to have the paper option or the in-person available? I see some nodding heads. Yes. With that, I want to move the item or if that's part of the consent already, part of the consent. Got it. So I just want to say thank you, HCA, for the good work on that. Moving along to item number seven, I want to thank all our partners here, especially as I say, that led on this. This is on the item having to do with the conditions of children's report. And this is the 30th annual. So the partners on here are a first five HCA and others that contributed to this. I want you all to know that this document is so important that you could just literally look at all the findings in here and come up with good public policy, and that's what we try to do in our office. But I want to thank you all for putting this together now this being the 30th year. But it shows and it highlights one crucial indicator for this year, which is perinatal behavioral health. This indicator is particularly important because it reveals an increase in the number of individuals experiencing symptoms of depression, during, or after pregnancy. That means postpartum. What they, you know, in the vernacular called baby blues, there's a famous case called the Messeep case and it showed that when, you know, women go through birth and give birth, there's a postpartum depression that sets in. So they dive deep into this and I want to thank the conditions of children's report for looking at this. We've seen an increase in the incidence of prenatal and postpartum depression among people of color, Asian and Pacific Islanders, 22.5% increase followed by Latinos at 15.5 and the black community at 12.5%. Up to 15% of infants in our county are exposed to substances perinatalally, meaning approximately 4,500 babies a year in Orange County are born exposed to substances. Alcohol is the most used substance and pregnancy followed by tobacco. So there were several other indicators that stood out to me in our office will be evaluating them to determine how we continue to make improvements. Kindergarten readiness is one of them. In San An we, San An had the lowest percentage of students ready for school, approximately only 40.6% of students that were ready for school at that age. We are seeing an increase in the number of insecurely housed students with elementary age students representing the highest percentage at 6.7 and Latino students having the highest rate at 10.2 so some incredibly Incredibly disturbing findings here, but important ones for us to take a look at to make sure that this board and other agencies address these so I just want to commend all the partners that put the 30th annual conditions of children's report and I'm happy to support that. So thank you for all the good work. All right, thank you and super as fully. Thank you. I'd like to just make a couple comments on this as well. It's a really valuable report and hopefully we get it out to all of the city councils and city managers because I do think it provides some valuable insights into specific things happening in their communities. Good some good news. Prenatal care is at a 10-year high. High school dropout rates are down to 4.8% and college readiness has increased to 57.3% good news. And we are looking at over the past decade child mortality, juvenile arrests, child abuse cases, juvenile petitions, child welfare issues and gang activity among youth have all decreased. These are our good signs for a thriving healthy community. Of course we do have some work to do in District 5. We have to kind of drill down on why in Newport Beach we have a high preterm birth rate of 11.1 percent, which is exceeding of the county average of 8.8% in Laguna Beach infants with low birth weights, 8.3% higher than the county average. And Newport, Mesa, and Capastrana School Districts report below average kindergarten immunization rates. In San Juan, Capastranos, 13.7% of minors are living in poverty, which is above the county average. And in Luguna Hills, 45.3% of children are prepared for kindergarten, but that's lower than the county average of 52.5%. I'd be curious to know what the data, I have to look at the data because it might be a small number of young people. And then we have some chronic absenteeism in Laguna Beach, but I think I can attribute that to a lot of traveling. There's a lot of families in that community that travel and the chronic absenteeism may not equate to drops in school performance. So a lot of good data to look into and some good news for our county, for the health of our county and some areas that we probably should target. So thank you all for whoever put this together. I know first five is very involved in this, but thank you to the employees who took the time and did the data analysis and have this valuable resource for our community. You can get it online. It's also in booklet form. So thank you for highlighting that Supervisor Sarmiantop. All right, thank you very much and vice chair Chafee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just like to reiterate this helps us be data driven and gives us direction as to where our resources to go. It's an annual report card of how we did in some cases we could have done better and also shows where we need to go. So like thank all those for putting this long report has a great history and it's been very useful over time. I took you like to thank the first great history and it's been very useful over time. I'd like to thank the first five families and children's commission for their input here. The first five are very important formative years and that's where it all starts off. So thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. All right. I have a motion and a second on what's left of the consent calendar, which I think is items 4 and 7 through 14. Any further discussion on any of the consent calendar items? Seeing none, opposition or abst, Eliseo Viejo, Edamar Harari, Huntington Beach, Christian Kovalchak, Tustin, and Josie M. Lopez, Urbulinda, and Chloe Rios-Wayette, Santa Ana, for Terms Ending, December 31st, 2026. And a point Sean, Frallenzuela, Aria, Syracul, from Montabello for term ending December 31st, 2006. And we have one request to speak on item number two and it's Elyah Seglin. Good morning, Chairman Wagner and the board. My name is Elyah Seglin. I'm objecting agenda item 2 to the point selected bureaucrats that automatically submissive to approve any resolution presented by the corrupted county administration for approval. Equally, I am objecting to approve the rest of agenda items as a farce and use the chairman Wagner and the board, the Orange County system of appointing and reappointing superior court judges. Only good for being bribed for injustice that the gas is to say, stick to the item and for the record we don't appoint spirit court judges, stick to this item please. The item because this is concerning the appointing. For being bribed for injustice that the gather with bogus public defender department attorneys. In competent social. Mr. Seglann, you know the rules, this is the HIV planning council speak to the item, please. No rules, also. Do you know rules of a constitution, rules of law? Are you just only... Thank you Chair Rules Speaker Speaker Out of Order. I'll bring it back to the board and entertain a motion. May I have the item? Further discussion? Seeing none in the opposition abstentions, seeing none, Medicare is unanimously. Thank you very much. Item three please. I'm Chairman Wagner. Orange County, June of analysis, Court of NET Council. A point, Annaly Cretel, San Juan Capestrana for term ending December 2nd, 2026. And we have one request to speak on agenda item three and that is Ilya Senglin. Good morning again, Chairman Wagner and the board. My name is Ilya Senglin. I am opposing, of appointing, your nominees into Orange County Justice System that correctly should sound as Orange County in Justice System. Exploiting Justice System to destroy lives of innocent children for personal profiteering of county corrupted bureaucracy is shem that has long practiced in Orange County and specifically by Khan Artist Director of Orange County Regional Center, Larry Landauer, Farma Mafia, with assistance of unscrupulous social services, and complicit to injustice, law enforcement, and corrupted mental health for personal wealth. Bogas, false report, manufactured by criminally-minded personalities, type as Larry Landauhr. This is not about Mr. Landauhr, it's about the appointment of the juvenile Justice Coordinating Center. You know what's going to happen, stick to the item. Because you don't deserve to be here for even one second, long time ago. Mainstreaming to incompetent social workers and then the lives of many innocent children and their families have been routinely destroyed for personal profiteering, county bureaucracy and sales of pharmaceutical drugs mafia. Something wrong presenting as the truth is your bogus practice. All your county administration including corrupted justice system, public defender, social services, law enforcement, mental health system are shem. It presenting something that is false, deceptive, misleading, as ineffective and well, not functioning. You are master presenting hypocritical action as appearance of good and productive. Don't be mistaken that public can be deceived, indefinitely definitely that your sham of pretending to work as a representative of the public when you are not. I'm going to speak up, Mr. Chairman. All right. Let's bring it back to the board. I'll entertain a motion. Madam. Second further discussion. Seeing none in the opposition or abstention seeing none Medicare unanimously item five No see community resources concur with recommended housing projects using allocated funds as approved by Orange County housing finance Trust we have no request to speak on agenda item five. All right. So Rose full you pull this item Thank you. I just wanted to highlight this is some good work that we're doing with regard to housing. This is three projects that will help move these projects across the finish line and they are 183 units in several districts, York, Belinda, and Huntington Beach and Lake Forest and they are helping us get closer to our goal of 2,396 supportive units by 2029. We have 1,811 left to build, so we're getting closer. Thank you. That's all I have. Move the item. Moving second further discussion. Seeing none, opposition or extension, seeing none, medication, andlessly. And six please. Under Social Services Agency, approved revised provisions to general relief regulations manual and the commission. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not going to be a very good person. I'm not going to be a very good person. I'm not going to be a very good person. I'm not going to be a very good person. I'm not going to be a very good person. I'm not going to be a very good person. I'm not going to be a very good person. I'm not going to be a very good person. I'm not going to be taking care of and seeing none, any opposition of extension, seeing none, Medicare is unanimously. Mercifully, that concludes the consent calendar. We will now move to the discussion items at the request of Vice Chairman Chafee. I am going to bring forward items 37, supplemental 37E and supplemental 37F because we have representatives in the audience. We also have representatives from item 34 so I will advance that. And I have been asked by the clerk, a quarter to advance his item 38 so that he can get on with an important event later this afternoon. I will entertain all of those requests. We will take them in numeric order and then get back to the rest of the calendar. So that starts with item 34, Madam Clerk, if you would call. All right, Mr. Chairman, can you restate those items? I'll try again. 34, 37 E and F and 38. Thanks. Under Chairman Wagner, a group allocation of $115,000 from third district discretionary funds to support refurbishment of families forward food pantry and Irvine. Make related findings for government code section 26227. Authorized can executive officer or designate to negotiate and enter into agreements as necessary and authorize our controller to make related payments. And we have one request to speak on agenda item 34. Call the speaker please. Vanessa Howard. I would like to speak on a agenda item 34. Call the speaker please. Vanessa Howard. Good morning chairman Wagner I'm not Vanessa Howard I thought we were going to be in it for the long halls but I'm Mattel and her niece chief executive officer families forward and it just wanted to say thank you to the board and of course to chairman Wagner for this consideration. The work that we do at Families Forward is very critical as was highlighted in the condition of Children's Report. For those of you that don't know, we are committed to ending and preventing family homelessness in Orange County, and that really starts with the front door. And for most families, that front door is food. Having to make the decision between, do I pay rent this month or do I get, I'll go to a food pantry is a really tough decision. And so what we're doing and what we have the opportunity to do with this funding is to totally reimagine what front door strategies look like. It's not a bag in a handshake. We want to know why. What's going on in your family and how can we prevent the dominoes from falling? You talk about housing insecurity and that's one step away from experiencing homelessness. So how can we prevent those dominoes from falling and catch families earlier and earlier? If you keep a tune to kind of our coordinated entry system and the inflow of families that are experiencing homelessness for the first time, this bigot is on full blast. So as an organization, we're doing everything we can to prevent family homelessness. And reimagining our food pantry is just the first step to doing more and more for our community. So I just wanted to say thank you in advance or thank you for your consideration. We invite each and every one of you to come out and visit us when it's all done in February. Thanks. No for speakers. All right, Thank you. Let me bring it back to the board. This is a D3 item and I will move the item. A second. And as we just heard families forwards and nonprofit, they're based in my district in Irvine, but they sort of residents throughout Orange County. And we do expect to have this project complete by very early 2025, which is going to be here so soon. I feel like I'm aging in dog years at this point. But good luck to families forward. You do fantastic work. The item has been moved. Is there a second? All right. Supervisor Foley. Thank you. Thank you for bringing the item forward. And for supporting families forward. They are doing excellent work. And I wanted to also let you know about our resource fair that will be hosting on December 17th. and for supporting families forward, they are doing excellent work. And I wanted to also let you know about our resource fair that we'll be hosting on December 17th in San Juan, Capastrano, we'll make sure that your organization has the details so that you can send your families there because we also will have our SSA eligibility staff there to help people get signed up for the services that they might need. Thank you. All right. So, by the way, I'm Antel. Yes, thank you, Chair. I also want to thank Ms. Howard for making those comments. Thank you for all the work that you do and your mother as well. The whole team over at Families Forward. I believe this is an incredibly important effort. I know that it's replicated throughout the county, but you all lead the way with your model program. So the only thing I wanted to comment on this is that I know that the item is for 115,000 coming from the third district discretionary funds. I'm unclear though, is this from the federal rescue plan monies or is this from the county discretionary fund? So I think we want to be in the spirit of transparency a little bit more clear where these come from. I know that some offices, some board offices have completely exhausted their federal rescue plan money. Others haven't. So to the extent that we become more clear with the public as to where the sources of these funds are coming from. It's important. I think we need to be more specific. I think that, again, the purpose of the funds are incredibly important, but as we know, the federal dollars that came during the pandemic were supposed to be related and have a nexus to COVID. And we know now the pandemic is now at its, at some of its lowest numbers. We don't have many needs and the needs were three years ago. So to the extent that we're spending money now that came from that source, I think the public needs to understand why there was maybe a delay. So thank you. Thank you, Sue Rose-Foli. Well, okay, I guess I wasn't expecting that comment, but I will say sure if you're going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to general fund budget and then those funds were allocated at different times during the last two years to board offices. Some people have used those funds already, as you said, some have not. So that's how those funds were allowable under the federal rules for general revenue reimbursement, for loss of revenue during the pandemic. And so the CARES Act funds were required to be used for COVID specific, but the American Rescue Plan Funds had a more, I think, flexibility to also be for general revenue loss. So maybe that's where the confusion lie. I think we're all, we're complying with the state laws by bringing these items forward. We, of course, food insecurity. I think there's a direct nexus between that and some of the issues that we suffered during COVID. But I think if you think we should do it differently, maybe you should propose something. All right. Further discussion. I did have one comment, but if you wanted to forward. So simply, I think there does need to be more specific. There is no confusion, supervisor. I think that what we need to do is to be more specific as to where these funds are sourced. And so to the extent that we're more clear, that's better for transparency, that makes more sense, given the environment that we're in, I think it's important. I think the purposes are completely clear on this item. When it comes to food insecurity, when it comes to those families that are struggling, that maybe as a result of being impacted during the pandemic, I think it's incredibly important that this, that the work continues. There's still consequences from people that were hurting during the pandemic. So I just want to understand where these funds come from. So, and I think the public needs to understand that as well. So to the extent that I'm supportive of the item, I just want to make sure that as we introduce items from discretionary funds, I think we need to make sure that we are those county discretionary funds, are they federal dollars? That's the only request that I think needs to be defined better as we introduce these items going forward. Okay, thank you very much for the discussion. Seeing none in the opposition or abstentions, seeing none matter cares unanimously. We are at supplemental 37E, please. Under Vice Chairman J. Feet, a group allocation of $500,000 for fourth district discretionary funds to calculate full attendance project rebound for a transformative housing expansion for women's initiative. Make related findings for Governor Goh's Section 26227, authorize Ken Executive Officer or Designate to negotiate and enter into agreement as necessary, and authorize Otter Controller to make related payments. And Mr. Chairman, we have received two requests to speak on S37E. All right, call the speakers please. James, JC Cavitt, and Ingrid Garcia. the board. All right. Call the speakers. James JC Cavitt and Ingrid Garcia. Mr chairman if I might introduce some. Mr Cavitt is the executive director of project rebound. And about how it has helped people And now and I can do that also because I've had personal experience which you Briefly explained project rebound absolutely would love to supervisor Tafy. Thank you Good morning Members of the board appreciate the time and opportunity just to speak before you all about project rebound So project rebound is a student support program at Cal State Fullerton that supports the matriculation of formerly incarcerated students. We are one of 19 campuses across the 23 campus CSUs, and Project Rebound has been around since 1967, starting in San Francisco State by the man named John Irwin, who was directly impacted by the criminal justice system himself. And upon his offense, he tapped into higher education. He got some credits while he was inside and continued to further his education upon his release. Seeing the obstacles and the barriers that came from having a criminal conviction, he wanted to make pathways and opportunities more affordable for this population. And since then, Project Rebound has expanded. In 2016, the consortium was founded, going from one campus to nine, and today we sit at 19 campuses. At Fullerton alone, we happen to be the flagship campus, doing things that have not been done across the state with this population. And what we have seen with the research the data has shown us that when we provide this population with opportunities, not handouts, but opportunities, they rise to the occasion every single time. At Fullerton this past semester alone, we've graduated our highest number of students. We had 35 graduates in one year. Across the state, we graduated 500 formerly incarcerated students this past academic year. At Fullerton, we've had our largest incoming cohort of 45 students just in one semester. We're expected to graduate 50 this upcoming academic year and we are expecting our largest incoming cohort in the fall of approximately over 50 students. Folks are coming to higher ed and finding a community and they are thriving and excelling and we are outperforming our counterparts on campus. And so project rebound is providing opportunities and making the public safer. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. our counterparts on campus. And so Project Rebound is providing opportunities and making the public safer. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any further speakers? Ingrid Garcia. Ingrid is the juvenile justice outreach coordinator for Project Rebound. Thank you for your great work. Thank you, good morning. Well, I'd like to thank you for letting me speak today, and I'm here to talk about the Women's Housing Initiative that we're trying to provide. And one of the biggest issues with women impacted by the justice system is that unique challenges that are often overlooked. Many of them are women with that are single mothers and survivors of trauma. Coming from being impacted myself by the justice system, I did struggle a lot with having secure housing. And it wasn't until I went into Cal State Fullerton and found project rebound and they provided me with housing stipends monthly that I was able to find educational and economic independence. I really wanna say that this is not just providing shelter, but actually like a launch pad for these women to rebuild their lives, be part of a community and find economic independence. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you for that. No further speakers, Ms. Chairman. All right, Supervisor J. Fee, the D4 item. Yes, so I'm requesting $500,000 from district for discretionary money to help create special housing for women. We're finding more women are coming into this program that you speak mostly men. Now it's coming in pretty much equal numbers. We do have a special facility for men but not for women. And this is to help for that imbalance. I was simply add that I have had two interns in my office, a formerly incarcerated people who went through the program, they did remarkable work. I'll share the story of the first one, we'll call him George. And I asked him, well, what do you want to do after this? He had a degree, a good one from Cal State. He said, well, you know, a little something about the juvenile justice system having been there. Think of Lylek O'Losko and be a DA. So that's quite the transformative outlook. My second one was getting a master's in social work. And the work that they put in, the effort, and the reason it isn't ready to understand statewide, is just about the same as our general population, maybe a little bit lower. These are people that are so grateful for a second chance. and I'm going to be able to move to the next session. Maybe a little bit more. These are people that are so grateful for a second chance. So I would like to please do the support this program. And so I move the item. I'll second. All right. Moving seconded further discussion. I got super registrar meantel. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. And I just want to thank the vice chair for bringing this forward to thank you for the comments that were made by both of you who spoke and Cal State Fullerton for being such a partner on this. You know, I've known the project rebound programs at some of the other Cal State sister campuses at LA and at Dominguez Hills, but Fullerton clearly is an asset to our county. And it provides the leadership that we know needs to happen with those who are just as impacted into transitioning folks back into the community and giving them not just a place to live, but also support, right? And that's where I think we see that there isn't enough of an effort and I think there are campuses now that and it looks like Fullerton is one of them that helps while people are incarcerated as well. I've heard of many receiving their bachelors and their masters while they're incarcerated and I know the transition back into the community after somebody is doing academic work is much much more seamless than somebody who isn't. So to the extent that you all are on the front end of breaking ground here in the county and helping those who want to come back to Orange County and as Vice Chair said, be extremely productive and provide a lens from lived experience that many don't have. And that's where I think we sometimes miss the point. When folks come out of the system of incarceration, they can provide incredible insight into public policy that somebody who hasn't spent that time. So to the extent that we, I am completely supportive of the site, and I want to thank the Vice Chair for doing that. I appreciate you, Vice Chair, for digging into this. And I think we need to see how we can help, you know, the Cal State System, and specifically Fullerton, because you were on our county to make sure that the program continues to grow, thrive, and expand. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Rose Foley. Thank you. Vice Chair Chafee, thank you for bringing this item forward. What a great program. I had the opportunity to meet with Project Rebound recently with our probation department as we are trying to bring in different colleges into our juvenile justice system. And so the work that you're doing is really important and meaningful. So really happy to support this item. And of course, we know, and we talked about this in that meeting that we held recently, that the housing piece of the transformative process is so critical so that individuals, as they're moving in a better, more positive direction in their lives, they aren't returning back to the homes or the places where maybe isn't going to be as healthy for them and stable and secure for them in their lives. So thank you, Vice Chair Chafee, for bringing this item forward. I fully support it. All right. Seeing no further requests to speak, that has been moved and seconded further discussion, seeing none any opposition or abstention. Seeing none matter. Carries unanimously. We are at 37F please. Madam Vice Chairman, Chair, if you present the Library District Board of Trustees, appoint Gail Carlin, Linluo Election to fill the position last held by Dr. Voice-O-Arnold for term ending December 2nd, 2026. We have no request to speak on S37F. All right, super nice, Chafee, a D4 item. Yes, it's my pleasure to move to a point, Gail Carline, to the potential library board. And it'll complete the term of office is previously held by a doctor, this right boy is an Arrond, and her term will run through December 22, 2026. So I would note, she's been a software engineer for about 30 years, but her passion was always been reading and writing, and curious to me, besides providing a weekly humor column for the Positia News Times, she's also written a mystery series set in Pocentia. I wonder who else lives in Pocentia. I think I need to read that. Mystery series is one of my cities. So she's here and I just want to introduce her and thank her for her commitment to serving on the Library Board and I move the item. All right. Moving the second and further discussion. Seeing none. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry If anybody has any questions or comments, let me, in Manaclarke, if you would read, and then we'll open the public hearing. I'd like to click a quarter, public hearing to consider adopting resolution, repealing resolution 17-004, adopting first page recording fee, electronic recording delivery system fee, restates established modernization fee, open everyday business day fee, and indexing within two business day fee for cost recovery services provided effective January 1st, 2025 and make a seek exemption findings under the Sequel Guidelines sections 15273A1 and E2 and other related findings. All right, let me open the public hearing and Madam Clark, any request to speak? No, we do not. All right, let me close the public hearing and bring it back to the board of vice chairman, J.A.P. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to move this item. We have a remarkable county clerk. And he's done great things. We haven't had an increase in the fees for a long time. And he's even going below with the state averages and bringing it up to the level. I want to compliment him for all the special things he's done. I know during the COVID crisis he arranged to have a drive-in weddings, which was kind of rare. We got calls from all over the nation. So many so had shut down our telephone system for a day. And then now he has the ability for people getting married, they can put their wedding online, so those that can't come to the wedding can see it happen. And I'd like to thank him. He always invites me to come down on Valentine's Day to help with the overflow and I enjoy doing that. So I move this item. All right, then I'll second it. Superstermian toe. Yes, thank you, Chair. I also want to compliment the clerk recorder. Thank you for all the innovative work that you do. Aside from just having the drive through wedding ceremonies, you do something that I think has been really valuable to the community, which is the Apostle. And those are, you know, I didn't know it was a thing, but I know as soon as you started rolling it out, making it available to the public, we see lines of people that are waiting and are grateful for you to be able to bring the service that normally would be done, you know, in Sacramento and for them to have to wait and spend money, you are able to bring those services to them here in the county. And so for that, we are really grateful, but you're always looking at doing innovative, helpful things for the services that you provide. So on behalf of all the residents, I want to thank you because you do it in a cost-effective way. You do it in a way that I think is really well received by others. And again, you do a lot with very little. So to the extent that this adjustment is one that is, is one that's well deserved and certainly, you know, timely. So thank you for all the services. Thank you, Supervisor Foley. Thank you, Al-Eco, my colleagues. And thank you for the meeting recently to talk about this item. 29 years, I think, is what I heard. That's the last time the fees were increased, and we're talking about just a few dollar increase here. Also, you promised me that if the revenue went back up, you would bring the feedback down. I'm going to hold you to that promise. Thank you so much for all the work you did. All right, thank you. Aleco, those comments just absolutely fantastic job you've been doing and it's greatly appreciated by all of us. And Aleco, the vice chair also, I especially like weddings and officiating them. And certain all of the couples I've married are still together. Certain of that. All right, the item's been moved in second further discussion. Seeing none, any opposition or abstentions? Seeing none, Medicare is unanimously. Congratulations. And I'll let you get on with the next item or the next event you've got. Thank you to our clerk recorder. All right, I believe that brings us back to 15. Yes. Item 15, Madam Clerk, if you would read. Madam Chair of the Court approve amendment for to contract with IDME Identity and Security USA LLC for maintenance of automated biometric identification services. In authorized can I procure an officer deputized as the needed executed amendment. We have no request to speak on agenda item 15. All right, and all district item. With the item. I'll second it for their discussion, seeing non-opposition or abstentions, seeing none uncarried unanimously. 16 please. I'm going to share a corner approved contract with Life Technologies Corporation for purchase, installation, evaluation supplies, and one year service of one rapid HIT IDD and A system. In other words, County procurement officer or deputy is designated to execute contract. We have no request to speak on agenda item 16. It's an all district item. With the item. Excuse me. Second further discussion. Seeing none, opposition or abstentions. Seeing none, item carries unanimously. Item 17 has been deleted. Item 18. Underchild support services approve of amendment two to renew contract with team legal ink for legal process services. And authorized county procurement officer to advertise designated exercise costs contingency increase, not to exceed 10%, and make minor changes under certain conditions and execute amendment. We have no request to speak on agenda on amendment 18. All district item. Second. Second further item. Second. Second further discussion. Seeing none. Any opposition or abstentions? Seeing none. Matter case unanimously. 19. Out of health agency approved continuation of local health emergency by county's health officer issued on September 20, 2024 for Tribute, Cocanian airport fire and affected areas to facilitate debris and ash removal as well as mitigation efforts to protect water wells, and set review to determine if we continue in local health emergency for December 17, 2024, 9.30 AM, and every 30 days thereafter until terminated. We have no request to speak on a gin item 19. All right, and I'll district item. Second. For the discussion, seeing an opposition or abstention, seeing none, Medicare unanimously, 20 please. I do help your agency approve amendment for to renew master contract and individual amendments with various providers of Pairing Needle, Recovery, Residence Services, and Authorities County Procurement, Officer or Deputized Designed to execute amendment. We have no request to speak on the gen item 20. All right, this is the one, two, and three item. I'll move it. Sorry. Second further discussion. Seeing none, opposition, abstentions, seeing none, Medicare, unanimously, 21 please. I'll help your agency approve a amendment five to contract with AIDS Services Foundation Orange County, doing business as Radiant Health Centers and amendment four to contract with special service for groups, Inc. For HIV housing services and authorised kind of be care and officer of the appetizer as it needs to execute amendments and we have no request to speak on agenda item 21. All right. All district item. May the item. Further discussion. Seeing none, opposition or extension. Seeing none, item carries unanimously. 22, please. To health care agency, approve amendment, amendment five to master contract and individual amendments with various providers a recovery residence services. I approve amendment two to master contract and individual amendments with various providers of adult residential drug Medi-Cal withdrawal management services. I approve amendment two to master contract and individual amendments with various providers of adult and perinatal residential drug Medi-Cal substance use disorder treatment services. And authorize county procurement officer deput advertise as a need to execute amendment. Mr. Chairman, we have one request to speak on agenda item 22. All right, call the speaker please. Cheryl. Good morning, board. Item 22 has a cumulative total for this master contract of $946 million. My concern is the staff reports don't really give a realistic evaluation of dollars spent versus the return on investment. They use performance outcomes, so they're saying percentages to evaluate outcomes, but they don't evaluate how many people are actually receiving treatment services. 85% of 100 patients is very different from 85% of 1,000 patients. Clean path in this particular case did not meet the target goal, yet they are still being awarded extended contracts on this agenda, and they were also given money on agenda 20. Recently, you had had a long discussion about the fact that illumination foundation had failed on many, many occasions, and yet you unanimously approved them. And another very recent example is the $95 million contract to Mind OC that was initiated by Dr. Clayton Chow, and every other contract under his watch needs to be reviewed and done a full forensic audit. I know this so much as this is trying to be pinned on Dr. X Supervisor Doe, but Dr. Chow is really involved in all of these. He is recently joined an old associate, Paul Leone, who is the founder of illumination foundation, and they've joined forces in national health and housing advisories. The lacks oversight of this board continues to lead to massive and inexcusable judiciary failures. The Black Eye on the County will continue to grow, even with the most recent failings of Mind OC, as they are brought to light. The County has awarded billions to these nonprofits that have been allowed to operate in darkness. The lack of accountability has allowed them to devise layers of mass management and fraud, and the time for sunlight will be difficult, The ability has allowed them to devise layers of mass management and fraud. And the time for sunlight will be difficult, but necessary to repair the black eye on the county. Thank you. Thank you. No further speak, Mr. Chairman. All right, this is an all district item. Supervisor Mianto. Yes, thank you, Chair. I'll be moving the item with comment. Second. So the programs and services offered in this item provide recovery and residential services and recovery support services for individuals transitioning back into the community after substance use treatment. This contract allows HCA to leverage millions of dollars from the California opioid settlement funds to increase Orange County's bed capacity for adult substance use to sort a residential treatment with raw management services and recovery residences. This funding will support the onboarding of new drug medical adult substance use to sort a residential treatment for providers increasing the bed capacity over the next three years. Adult residential treatment beds are anticipated to increase from 224 to 291 and with raw management beds to increase from 82 to 111. Anytime we can expand the capacity for beds and services, it is a win for our community as it increases the access for those in need of help and addressing the growing demand for these essential resources. I agree that we need to make sure that we hold any providers accountable. We'll have an item coming up that's going to try to continue to do that to make sure that it's being reviewed out from the outside as well as the inside. But I do think that the funds, the usage of these settlement dollars, is important for us to try to hit the goal of increasing beds, increasing services, and making sure that everybody that receives those funds for providing services is held accountable and responsible for those responsibilities. Thank you. Thank you. Rose Fully. Yes. I have Dr. Kelly come to forward or a representative from health care agency. Mr. Kimmer, thank you. Good morning. Thank you. Good morning. So, my question is for these particular contracts that we're entering into with different service providers will they be subject to our controls that we have to vet the background the effectiveness and Whether or not they're in compliance with local regulatory matters Yeah, thank you supervisor for the question e and camera for the health care agency Yes, though we audit all of our programs through our system. This is that they will be audited. This particular provider that was mentioned actually has increased their rate. They went from 59% to 83%. We're holding them to 85, but we audit all of our providers every year. And so we will continue to do that. Okay, so separate it apart from the audit what I'm talking more about is the background clearances and the ensuring that we don't have individuals that are managing vulnerable people who might not be the best for them. Correct. We also audit each of the providers and each of the provider agencies to ensure that they have gone through those background clearances. That's part of all of our contracts as well. That's great. Thank you. All right. Seeing no further questions or comments, he hasn't been moved in second at any other debate. Seeing none, opposition or abstention, seeing none, Medicare unanimously. Thank you. Item 23, please. Under Healthcare Agency, consider first reading of an ordinance of the County of 23, please. Under Healthcare Agency, consider first reading of an ordinance of the County Orange, California, amending sections 4-11-2 of the codified ordinance of the County Orange, regarding the Orange County Health Authority, and set second reading and adoption for December 17th, 2024 and 9-30 AM. We have no request to speak on agent item 23. All right, this is an all district item. Seconded. Seconded. Vice Chairman Chafee. microphone. microphone. Thank you. I'm trying to give it short. I just want to thank the Cal Opto Board and many of whom are here. Making certain we get it right, I'm sure. And that the work they're doing moving forward, and this is one of those steps. So if there's a gap in coverage, have a ability to fill it. And that's what this does among other things. When I command all the good work being done, getting street medicine now in the Sarval cities, and even creating a 52 unit support medicine support center for people that need actually probably something like hospitalization, but they can't afford it. So it works together. And all the other remarkable things that I see going on grants for schools of nursing, grants for social worker, workforce issues, and all across the board, it's remarkable work is being done. So I thank you all for that. And some pleased all across the board. It's remarkable work is being done. I'd like to thank you all for that. And so I'm pleased to move the item. All right. And Superstarming Interflores. Yes, thank you, Chair. I'll second with comment. And I want to also acknowledge the executive staff here and team from Cal Optima. As the vice chair said, I certainly want to thank you for all the hard work. I know we're going to be also taking an item back to the board at Cal Optima on Thursday that will be in tandem. And this is the first step in much, much work that's going to be done towards this. But I think these are important steps. What we've seen and the reason why this is being driven is that we've seen many members who've been knocked off are ineligible to continue with services that we provide a call-optima because they're called the churn population. So if somebody gets an additional job, a part-time employment, they may make a little bit more noxim off for ineligibility. And so we see those folks all the time. And I see many of them in my district that unfortunately go without coverage and they come back on when they lose an opportunity but to the extent that we can provide some sort of coverage as they go on and off that's certainly something that's important for us to do here. So I want to thank you all for all the hard work that you've done. We want to make sure that we cover people and go into this marketplace to make sure that those that do have fluctuating income. That may make it very unpredictable for them to continue receiving care for themselves and their families. Have an opportunity to have some stable form of coverage here. So I am very grateful for that. We know that other public health plans in the region are sister counties in Los Angeles and the Inland Empire are already doing this and doing it very successfully. So to the extent that we are gonna be competitive, we are gonna be able to provide a good service. I'm certainly supportive and thank you for all the other additional work that the vice chair mentioned on street medicine on making sure that a health plan is providing housing for its residents and for the members. So those are all things that I think this health plan should be commended for. I want to thank you for the work and I'm happy to be a second and support the site. All right thank you very much to Roger Foley. Thank you. And we've come a long way. We tried this a couple years ago. It didn't quite work out, but here we are again. And I think that's an effort to the persistence and also just kind of building up the plan and the program. So thank you for sticking with it. Of course, we want people to work. I mean, that's a priority. We want people to have the dignity of working and having a purpose. And so we don't want them to lose their health benefits. And so choose not to work and stay in poverty because they will lose their health benefits. So this is, I think, going to be a good addition to the programs that Cal Optima offers. So thank you for bringing it forward. All right, and I'll be brief. I had some heartburn over this last time. It was in front of us and really want to thank the Cal Optima staff for the work they've done on this item and the work they've done for me in my office in addressing concerns and making sure that this is steered in the way that I think and will agree with my colleagues will best serve the people of Orange County. And so thank you. I'm sure that the item is being steered in the way that I think and will agree with my colleagues will best serve the people of Orange County and so thank you. I know we've got the Cal Optima leadership in the room and I am fully supportive of this item now and thank you guys for getting us all there. The item has been moved and seconded so you know further discussion any opposition or abstentions item carries unanimously. Thank you all All right, we are at item 24 please Hello, it's the public works approve amendment one to renew contracts with page and turnbull ink and 30th Street Architects ink for on-call historic architecture services and authorize director designated ex-heat amendments We have no request to speak on agenda item 24 all right. It's an all district item Further discussion seeing none opposition or of extension, seeing none, item carries unanimously. 25 please. I do see if up it works. I approve amendment one to renew contract with ALS group USA core, doing business as Columbia Analytical Services Inc. Anthelope Analytical LLC, Physic Environmental Laboratories Inc. and WEC Analytical Environmental Services Inc., for Water Quality and Analytical Services. And authorized County Precurement Officer or Deputy Designed to execute the amendments. We have no recourse to speak on a gen item 25. All right, and I'll district item. Move the item. Further discussions. Seeing none, opposition, revisition, seeing none, item carries unanimously. 26, please. and the committee. We have a request to speak on the agenda. We have a request to approve amendment 3 to renew contract with clean harbors and services in for hazardous waste and collections and disposal services. Authorities can be item 26. All right this is a district 234 and five item. Move the item. I'll let you sort out all those motions and seconds they're all there though. Any opposition or abstentions seen unitem carries unanimously 27 please. Under probation approve of amendment 1 to renew contract with satellite tracking of people LLC for continuous electronic monitoring services using global the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the right to the Is there a second? I'll second it. Further discussions? Seeing none, opposition or abstentions? Matter carries unanimously. Thank you, item 28. Hunter County Council, I approve contract with legal software for cloud-based case management software maintenance services with option to increased user licenses. And others can be, County procurement officer to advertise this, you need to execute contract. We have no request to speak on agenda item 28. And all district item. Second. Second. Second further discussion. Seeing none, opposition, abstention, seeing none, Medicare unanimously. 29 please. I can't executive office approve recommended positions on introduce or amended legislation and or consider other legislative subject matters. Mr. Chairman, we receive one request to speak on agenda item 29. Call the speaker please. Brian K. Happy day. So we're discussing previous past current and future legislation. This meeting was amazing. Again, Supervisor Chaffee brings a hard-hitting and important issue to the front. Previous meeting, it was gun safety. And today it was Project safety. And today it was project rebound. Project rebound reports 45 successful graduations in a year. Overflash. This is a legislative bullet. This is a new legislation that you are exercising and practicing that is providing positive beneficial results for the community. Now on the other side of that coin are the countless millions of dollars that county has spent on mental health and other social services. Mr. Kay, that is appropriate for general public comment, speak to the legislative bulletin, the legislation on it, the legislation that's not on it, speak to those items please. Which legislation would you like to speak about today, Chair Wagner, sir? There's a lot of legislation at stake. And it seems to be a pick and choose. And I realize this might be a race of statement. But if anyone's ever been in court in Orange County, you'll hear a judge give you the same thing. at stake and it seems to be a pick and choose. And I realize this might be a race of statement, but if anyone's ever been in court in Orange County, you'll hear a judge give you this statement. This isn't a Chinese restaurant. You don't get to pick what you want from Colin. Speak to the legislative bulletin. What do you want on it that's not on it? Mr. K, last chance, speak to the legislative bulletin. Deserve. Last chance, Mr. Dupet refusing to provide service. And the shame is supervisor Chafee, you could stand up for yourself at this moment. And you could say, thank you, the speaker is out of order. I'll bring it back to the board. Any questions or comments? We did receive one additional speaker request for when there was timely. Call the additional speaker please. A, sit down or I will have you forcibly removed. Mr. Kay, sit down or you will be forcibly removed because you are seriously actually disrupting this meeting. Sergeant, please remove Mr. Kaye. Gentlemen, please remove Mr. Kaye. He is actively disrupting this meeting again. Okay, I suggest you go with those gentlemen voluntarily because if you don't you'll go forcibly. Mr. K out. Gentlemen remove him. Last speaker is Kate. Out of this room. You've been in the audience disrupting the meeting out of this room, Mr. Kay. You may not continually disrupt these meetings. Next speaker please. Kate. Good morning, board. So I would like to go to the board. Good morning board. So I would like to know what kind of legislation this board is going to put up to the state and to the federal government. Pro-life legislation to save our little mommies and babies. And where are your lobbyists? Where are your pro-life lobbyists? Will you bring them here so we can see who they are and we can meet them? Because let me tell you, only one third of abortions are wanted. So one in four women described their abortion as coerced. 43% described their abortion as accepted, but inconsistent with their values and preferences. 60% say their preference would have been to give birth to their own little baby if they had received more emotional support or had greater financial security. I'm going to read that one to you again. 60% of their preference would have been to give birth if they had received more emotional support or had greater financial security. So let me ask you what this board is doing to help the 60% of women who would really like to have their babies. So here, elective abortions are 90, 5.9%. The other exceptions are obviously what 93%? So, what are we going to do in this county to help the moms have their babies so they can bring them up happy and healthy and have their families. That's what I want to know and when are we going to get legislation from this county to the state and to the federal government and please let us know where where our pro-life people are. Excuse me. Okay. And when this is going to happen. And when our county can start healing. Thank you. No further speakers. Thank you very much. Supervisor Foley. I'll move the item with comment. All right. Second go ahead. So our county spends millions of dollars in helping moms prenatal as well as during pregnancy. My office personally invested $450,000 for moms OC to help with, help moms who were struggling and to provide in-home care for them. So we do a lot to help moms. We all want to be able to make those choices for ourselves as to what's best for our family and our bodies. All right, the item has been moved and seconded, seeing no further requests to speak in the opposition or abstentions, matter carries unanimously. Item 30 and I understand we have Mr. Kay who wants to speak to this item. He is welcome back if he can follow the rules. Read the item, please. On a kind executive office, approved grant applications and awards submitted by county executive office, healthcare agency, OC community resources and OC public Resources, and OC Public Works, and Retroactive Grant Award, and applications submitted by OC Public Works in December of 2024, grant report, and other actions is recommended. Adopt resolution authorizing healthcare agency director or designate to submit application and enter into, execute, deliver standard agreement with State Department of Health Care Services for bond behavioral health continuum infrastructure program Road 1, launch ready, and adopt resolution authorizing health care agency director Designee to execute grant agreement and subsequent non-monetary amendments with state water resources control board for local oversight program. And we have one request to speak, Brian K. All right, Mr. K. Going once, going twice. Mr. K, if you can follow the rules, floors yours. We're on the grant side. Or no, you don't have to. Chair Wagner sir happy day please allow me to express that I have great respect for you and love for you. I don't want you to be taken from I don't want you to be taken from your position of leaderships okay I don't want you to resign. Talk to the grants't want you to resign. Talk to the grants. This has to do with the grant money, how it's spent. Recently, I contacted Waymakers. And there's a lot of publicity in the county, Donates, and gives a lot of grant money to Waymakers. And I contacted them. I communicated with them. I petitioned contacted them. I communicated with them. I petitioned with them. And the sad reality is that waymakers is a little more than a referral service to Orange County mental health. If there's a real service that they could provide, they do not want to provide it. And the shame is at the end of some of these conversations that the people I'm speaking with are in tears. And they're like, we want to help you, but we can't. The only service we have available, the only way that we're, even though we've accepted this grant money and promised to do one thing, now we're going to take that grant money and we're only going to provide mental health services. And that's not appropriate. That's not what the people voted for. That's not what you marketed yourselves as. And I like to think that that's an oversight that you want to provide the services. And the real shame is an elderly gentleman came down here and reported human trafficking. And he was laughed at. He was made fun of. Mental health was sent to his home. Police officers were sent to his home. Please realize the facts are that somebody reported human trafficking, a felony. And this Board of Supervisors had a legal obligation to investigate the human trafficking. But you're so vested in spending money on mental health that you committed misprison of a felony, you committed a felony of your own. And then you filed false documents with mental health to try and get this man incarcerated in a mental health program. You sent police officers. You saw the difference. You were doing so well. This is what you're spending the grant money on Chair Wagner, sir. Chair Wagner. This is what is happening with the money that you're spending. I realize it's painful. I know you don't want to go through it. I don't want to go through it. I don't want to go through it. I don't want to go through it. I don't want to go through it. I don't want to go through it. I don't want to go through it. I don't want to go through it. I don't want to go through it. from and preventing you're violating the Constitution and I come here giving myself to you offering help. Okay all right let me bring it back to the board supervez fully. Good morning, Chairman and Honorable Board of Dr. Ronika Kelly, Healthcare Agency Director. Thank you. So it looks like we have items two and three which are coming from Healthcare Agency applications from healthcare agency, applications for grants for B-chip dollars. Could you just share about this application and how it will benefit Orange County? Sure. These are dollars specifically focused on building the infrastructure for behavioral health. So that means it's money specifically for brick and mortar to build buildings so that we have facilities where we can treat people who are suffering from a mental illness or substance use disorder. And where will we be building these facilities? So these are two applications. One of them is for Salvation Army to build 168 residential treatment beds for substance use disorder in the city of Anaheim. And the other is for UC Irvine to build 108 in patient psychiatric beds in the city of Irvine. Okay. And so these would be as far as the city of Irvine, that's going to be at our campus, our B-Well campus adjacent to the building. and we're going to be in the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of because this would be fantastic. It would be fantastic. We are asking for very large amounts of money because these are campuses. We know that we can get extra points if we are focused on a campus where a person can have step up and step down services located in the same place. We're not sure. We'll think so far. There have been 500 applications that have been submitted. The applications are due 12, 13. So we will see. There are a couple of billion dollars that are available. OK. And is there anything that we can do other than approve this application request? Is there anything else that we can do to help facilitate securing the funds? Not yet. OK. Let us know if there is. Absolutely. But thank you for applying for these. These are really critical. As you know, I'm a big proponent of having a campus setting for behavioral health treatment, as opposed to little houses in the neighborhoods and really the care not being professionally managed and medically appropriate. So I really appreciate the work that you're doing and I know Mr. Kimmer as well and trying to build out our system of care in a way that's beneficial and not detrimental to people's health. So thank you so much. Thank you. I'm with the item. Second. All right. Second. And as you guys saw me. Yes, thank you. I wanted to call attention to item number seven. That's the workforce innovation and opportunity act sub-grant. And I'm very happy to see that OCCR will be receiving the $6 million state grant award that will help continue to provide critical funding to support workforce development programs. This funding will continue to ensure that individuals facing barriers are not left behind, but also building more resilient and competitive workforce for Orange County. This funding allocates $3.4 million for dislocated worker programs, $2.7 million for adult program funding, and $329,000 for rapid response activities, and close to $97,000 for layoff of version programs. These services are coordinated through our Orange County Workforce solution systems, which includes the American Job Center of California and Brian's six affiliate centers. This grant will continue to ensure that our workforce development team over at OCCR is able to provide critical services such as job training and education for unemployed and under employed individuals here in our county. And for many of you that know that the cost of living here is incredibly difficult for many. This is one avenue for relief to make sure that we provide opportunities, resources, and support for folks who are looking at additional workforce training. So this is something that's well received and it's $6 million that's going to be put to very good use Some and I'm a wholeheartedly supportive of this and all the other items that are on this agenda. Thank you Thank you very much. Edons been moving seconded seeing a further request speak any opposition or abstentions seeing none item carries unanimously Thank you. All right 31 has been continued that brings us to 32. I can't executive office adopt resolution of intention establishing community facilities district number 2025-1, re-end of three, authorizing levy of a special tax to pay costs of acquiring or constructing certain facilities and expenses of the district and to pay debt service on bonded indebtedness, setting public caring for January 14, 2025 930 AM, and making related findings, and adopt resolution of intention and caring bond and debtedness within proposed community facilities district number 2025-1, and making related findings. We have no requests to speak on agenda item 32. All right, super specifically, D5 item. Thank you. This item, this request for a community facilities district or CFD is a special financing district that provides a mechanism for funding specific facilities and services. And in this case, this would support four phases of development in the planning area three of the ranch plan development agreement between the county and the unincorporated community of Rancho Mission B.A.jo, which is located in District 5. The specific development includes 1,044 sale residential units, 5.5 acres of club houses and amenities, 10 acres of park and recreation space, and 41 acres of open space, streets and slopes. Upon completion, planning area three is expected to contain approximately 7,000 residential units, including market rate and affordable apartments, 3 million square feet of commercial development, schools, daycare facilities, a civic center, and parks, as well as trails and community recreation space. If you haven't been to Rancho Mission Viejo, I've become very familiar with this community, which I was not familiar with prior to serving representing District 5 and it is a very thoughtful, thoughtfully planned, beautiful community that actually has affordable housing in it, given the amenities surprisingly. It's a state-of-the-art community and it also will, they've recently commissioned, what's very important to Districts three and five, a pilot study that helped develop a model framework for communities to use to decrease their wildfire risk, and thereby make sure that they can continue to receive fire insurance and continue to be insured at a reasonable price. The pilot study introduces new models, new ways to collect parcel data, a fire response scoring system, and visualizations of GIS data. By encompassing these tools into a framework it demonstrates to insurers how various wildfire risk analysis tools can work together to enhance the understanding of any actual wildfire risk because the Rancho Mission Viejo communities are built with hardening in mind. They're helping to develop actual solutions for our California homeowners insurance crisis. So, really excited to move this item forward. Thank you, Rancho Mission Vaho and your team, for working creatively to tackle the affordable housing crisis from every angle, especially for the next generation to be able to live in our community. With that, I a move the item. All right. Now, second further discussions. Seeing none, opposition or abstention. Seeing none, item carries unanimously. 33, please. Under Cany Executive Office, approve the amendment 13 to contract with Friendship Shelter Inc. for coordinated entry services for individuals and survivors experiencing homelessness or at risk of homelessness. And we knew contract for one additional year. And otherwise, can I procure my officer or deputized as you need to execute amendment? We have no request to speak on agenda item 33. All right, and I'll district item. Further discussion. Seeing an opposition or abstention, seeing an item carries unanimously. 34 has been dealt with. We are at item 35. I have a vice chairman, Chavie approve allocation of $25,000 from fourth district discretionary funds. For OC free gunlock program, make related findings of our under government code section 26227 and other as county executive officer are designated to negotiate an entry agreement as necessary. We have no requests. Just be kind agenda item 35. All right. This is the four item. Vice Chair. All right. Go ahead. Sorry. I would like to thank County Council for working the issues out. I think that for me the main issue was using the gunlock to make certain the gun is unloaded. And that was one of the points of the video we did. And then it's a affirmative requirement that those using the gunlock actually make certain that that is the case. So I'm pleased to move the item. Thank you all for bearing with me and bringing this back the second time. All right. Thank you to Council and to D4 for great work on getting this in shape where it goes unanimously I believe. So you know for the request to speak any opposition or abstentions matter curious unanimously. Thank you very much. We are at item 36 and if I share with you approve policy regarding commitment to transparent and ethical contracting. We have no request to speak on agenda item 36. All right. Another D4 item. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This item was brought back to before and it's here again. There's a couple of things. One, we in the previous iteration, we had a direction that the Office of Campaign and Finance and Ethics actually do the review of the concerns and report to the board. Upon further review there needs to be procedures worked out to make certain how that works staff wise and how it particularly it relates with our purchasing department. And so my direction would be to direct staff, not part of this policy at this time, but to direct staff to work out those procedures and to bring that back. I do believe the Office of Campaign Finance of the Asher Right entity. But I think there's some things that need to be worked out. And after reviewing the part that where we would ban somebody for contracting of a lifetime with council, county council, I was informed that it's rare that it's done by way of any type of ordinance. Instead, it's typically done in a contract policy manual. The concern there is that when you do that, you have administrative procedures in place so that the party whom you're trying to discipline has an opportunity to appeal administratively through the process. Our contract manual does that, but only on a contract by contract basis, not on a total band basis. So I've kept that in there. Council believes that it's using the word May works. And that's something that we can consider later if we wanna add that language in the appropriate place. So with that, what we're trying to do is put in one simple place, a strong statement of where we stand. And what our duties are and what our consequences may be if we don't follow that. A statement where our employees are expected what they're expected to do and how they're protected to should they find something wrong and choose to come forward and not be retaliated against. And consequences if they sometimes don't do the right thing themselves. And also a statement of people who do business with the county, what we expect them to do, the disclosures they have to make. And the consequences if they don't do that. And so that's all I'm trying to do is put this for now in one place where it's a strong statement where we cover all those things. There's more work to be done. I'm not saying this is the end of it, but I just want to get this clear where we deal with all of the parties that are involved in one place that we affirm our objective of following the ethics and the contract manual and other county procedures that we have adopted issues in the past. I'm not looking back, although that gives us reason for looking forward. And that's what I want to say. Where do we go from here? We had some unfortunate things. I think supervisor Sam Rantos action coming up is a way of looking into those things. That to me, I want to move past that. I want to go forward. I want to clear understand. Supervisor Samarinto's action coming up is a way of looking into those things. With that, that to me, I want to move past that. I want to go forward. I want to clear understanding where we all stand. And yes, there are more things to come. So thank you. I move the item. Second. All right. Further discussion? Seeing none in the opposition or abstentions. Seeing none, the item carries unanimously. Thank you very much. 37, please. Under supervision from Manto, direct internal audit department to hire, pursuant to contract policy manual, an independent external audit firm to conduct a forensic audit of all contracts established between January 2019 and August 2024, including by not limited to county executive office, health care agency, BoC Kimmer resources, and Social Services Agency to review compliance with contract policy manual and all applicable procurement related statutes. Prioritized review of human services and Social Service contracts funded by ARPA CARES Act, MHSA in general fund. External audit shall not interfere with any ongoing investigations or litigation against former supervisor Andrew Doe or any other parties involved present findings and recommendations at a board of supervisors meeting or public forum direct county council and can executive office to review and confirm Orange County fraud hotline is utilizing best industry practices regarding whistleblower programs and return to the board with recommendations on how to expand or create a new program to include best practices related to effective reporting mechanisms, safeguarding confidentiality, protecting whistleblowers, investigation of complaints, expanded anti-retellination policy, and training and awareness of new or expanded program. And direct Office of Campaign Finance and Ethics Commission to research industry best practices for implementation of an expanded code of ethics for supervisors with potential enforcement mechanisms and provide recommendations to the board for adoption. Mr. Chairman, we have no request to speak on agenda item 37. All right. Is it D2 items? Mr. President, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Yes, thank you, Chair. I want to thank the CEO and her staff for working with our office on amending the language in the first recommended action. I also want to thank my colleagues on this board. We had a robust discussion earlier at the previous meeting on these items. I tried to incorporate much, if not all, of the comments that we heard. So this is simply to go ahead and have an outside audit done of the now limited scope of time from January 2019 to August 2024. And so I believe that the other two recommended items, especially the third recommended item, goes hand in hand with what Vice Chair Chafee is trying to do with his item. So I believe these are efforts made to make sure and then the government goes hand in hand with what Vice Chair Chafee is trying to do with his item. So I believe these are efforts made to make sure that we not only take an internal view of what we're doing but also an external view and to make sure that we've covered all gaps, made sure that the work that's been done by our internal audit team is credible, is strong, and is something that we can confidently move forward with and demonstrate to the public that we've done a thorough look. Because we know that this is something that in the aftermath of a crisis, in the aftermath of a moment where things have gone wrong and sideways, I think this is a window of time that we can make corrections and make sure that these errors, although we can't correct every air. As was said, I think at the previous meeting, you can't legislate good conduct, but you can certainly create checks and balances in better guardrails. And to the extent we can do that, that is an important venture that we should undertake. So I will move the item with those comments. All right, the item has been moved and seconded. I, all right. What's the relevance to the January 2019 start date? Supervisor Doe in his plea agreement gives a 2020 date. the community. So, let's start date. Supervisor Doe in his plea agreement gives a 2020 date. I'm just curious where this one comes from. Madam CEO. Chairman Michelle Gary. The January day was my recommendation just to ensure that we were capturing anything that was COVID, right, that funding related. And then also just a year prior to that to take a look at any other contracts, but it's narrowed to those funding sources. For example, the right general fund in MHSA in case there was any other influence that needed to be identified. Okay, but it's not narrowed. It's still all contracts. Now there's the language including but not limited to which is odd language because you've got all in there. So of course, County Executive Office, Healthcare Agency, OC Community Resources, and Social Services Agency, they're included in all. Are we calling those out specifically? Are we gonna do those first? Is there a timeline to get this done? Yeah, for me, there's not a timeline, right? So internal audit, so Aggie, Yeah, there's for me there's not a timeline right so Internal audit so Aggie and then along with County procurement office will run the solicitation To obtain the external auditor to do the work the priority will be that time period so that we're capturing right It's confined to that time period so it's all within that time period for those departments with those funding sources. Then we'll come back, there's a report that's supposed to be to the board, then we'll come back to the board and seek additional guidance. This may be sufficient, but we may need to do more, it depends, but we have to start somewhere, so this is the recommendation for this first round. And it does say all. And so the initial all is for these departments, this time period, these funding sources. And then we'll go from there. Well, wait a minute, that's not what that all is. At least as I read the item, it may be what you intended, but it isn't what's written. All contracts, including, but not limited to. It doesn't mean starting with, it means all. Council, you look like you wanted to say something. I have a different question, and I thought the question on this item was, was, let me, let me, okay. I see it as a phased approach. Yeah. Well, yeah, go ahead. So, Mr. Chair, I wanted to be much broader in the scope of work that I actually wanted to go further back in time because I know that there are some contracts that are not COVID related that came out of supervisor Doe's office that could be suspect and worth looking into. I think with the CEO's help and her staff, we tried to narrow it to those COVID dollars and to make sure that we captured those that may have been ramping up in advance. That's where the 2000 or excuse me, the 2019 start date came from when it comes to including but not limited to, I believe these are the human services contracts that we know could have been more, I guess, vulnerable. So I'm happy to go ahead and strike a language that will make it clear. But to the extent you don't like including but not limited to but those departments that are referenced here, the CEO's office, the HCA, OCCR and SSA, those I believe will at least give us some opportunity to look at the contracts during that period of time that the supervisor and really the entire county was dealing with and I think that's something that gives us some scope at least. So, respectfully. Yeah, you know, the word all I'm not saying here. It says this audit will include, but not be limited to, contracts within the county, CEO, healthcare agency, OC, community resources and the social services agency. So I guess how I read it and I think this is where I need the clarification as to what we're voting on. I read that to mean that the contracts are those departments. Because it doesn't say the word all. Yeah, so if you look at the preceding sentence, it says a forensic audit of all contracts established between January 2019 and August 2024. What is the intent for this motion? To be comprehensive, to look at all the contracts that were introduced and acted upon and really entered into during that period of time. How many contracts are we talking about? Probably several. I mean, probably many. Yeah, it has to be hundreds of how many contracts? Right, but I guess. Well, I'm asking I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I established between that time period for those departments. This, the pre get for those departments. That's not what he's intending, Mr. Gary. He's a one. He's a one. And so that's the problem is that we have to get some clarity around what is expected so that you know what is expected from your staff to do. My understanding is we're doing a phased approach. And Supervisor Sarmino, please correct me if I'm wrong, a phased approach because we have to start somewhere. We were looking at the highest risk area. You have the language that the director influenced by former supervisor Andrew Doe. In looking at that language, I believe that these areas within these departments and this time period and these funding sources were the highest risk areas. But that language has been stricken. Yeah. Correct. So it's not there anymore. So you can't. It's all. I understand. It's all contracts during this time period for these departments as a first phase and then we go to the next phase and we do the additional piece. But this is the highest risk area. So can I finish? I see Redsfolio had the floor I apologize go ahead. So my look I I think the priority should be of course these areas this is the most I think where you would see some kind of influence. I guess I would be concerned because the word all would encompass say we have a contract for cleaning supplies and that's something that's a matter of course or we have a contract for road improvements somewhere in the county flood channel improvements somewhere in the county, flood channel improvement somewhere in the county. I guess that's where I'm trying to understand are we expecting her to review all of those, like those would be federal contracts in some cases and they have to go through a whole vetting process. And I guess that's where I'm trying to understand is that what we're expecting her team to review. And maybe we need to clarify whether Supervisor Sarmiento, your intention is to have this phased approach because that's not how the language is written in your amendment. So the reason why? So yeah, certainly. I want to make sure it has the floor. So thank you, Madam CEO, for your efforts in trying to clarify. Again, we wanted to be much broader. And I think the intent was for the CEO to try to narrow, and try to scale up on some of the review that we're going to do. My intent was to make sure that we look at all contracts that the supervisor touched during that time. I believe whether it's hundreds or thousands, I think at the last meeting we were talking about our internal review that we're going to have done. We were told by Mr. By Aggie that he was going to do a sampling, not all contracts. Right. Right. So that's why I am asking that all contracts be looked at by the outside auditor as well. So that is why the word all is in there. Now looking at the department said the CEO recommended So, I think that's the point that we're going to look at. The city of the city is going to be a part of the city. The city of the city is going to be a part of the city. The city of the city is going to be a part of the city. The city of the city is going to be a part of the city. The city of the city is going to be a part to these departments. So that's the scope that we're recommending. That's a scope that the CEO wanted us to start with. If we want to include some language and interlineate that to say these are going to be priority areas. And if other findings, if some other information is found, then we could introduce those as well. But to the extent that we need to begin at some place, these were the divisions in the departments that we recommended we start with. Go ahead. Supervisor Foley. Thank you. So I appreciate that. I want to make sure, because one, we want to get the information back in a timely manner. And so if we make it too broad, we won't actually be able to finish the project in any kind of timely manner, right? So, Supervisor Sarmiento, are you agreeable to starting with this item just focusing on these areas so that they don't have to do an RFP for all contracts to get us started. Because if they have to do an RFP for an external auditor to review thousands of county contracts of every kind, I mean on this agenda alone we have probably 100 if you count the like sub-sets of contracts within each of these items. So I'm just trying to make sure that we're able to complete the work and get to the meat of what we're trying to uncover, if anything, in a timely manner. Because if you are so broad to say every single contract, I mean, we have contracts with staples. We have contracts with postage companies. There's so many different kinds of contracts. I can't think of them all rough, because I don't even know what they all are. But I'm just wanting to make sure that the direction we're giving to get it started is clear so that you're not disappointed if they come back and they didn't get every single contract from back to 2019. So it's not that I will, I'll be disappointed. I want to make sure that we do a thorough scrubbing of everything out here. So to the extent that we can maybe interlineate some language to say these will be our high priority departments. If there's anything additional that's found by an outside auditor, they can come back and come back to the board for us to maybe expand the scope. That's something that I think would be agreeable. But I don't want to overlook and I don't want to have us not go forward because there are thousands of contracts. Maybe there are thousands of contracts that were unfortunately impacted by Supervisor Doe. And to the extent that this is money well spent, I'm hoping it's going to cure a practice that was left unaddressed. So I think at this point, I'm happy to go ahead and say let's have these departments be our first priority to the extent that there is a need to expand the scope. The contractor or the outside auditor can come back to this board to seek approval for that expansion. Thank you. All right. Now let me add or question the direction for a forensic audit. I assume that's a term of art. It means something to the auditors that maybe we don't know is that a very, it is obviously a very extensive audit of outside parties and whether they've performed, how do we, do we have any legal right to go back to somebody say they had a contract January 19, a five year contract and it ended January of 2024 so it's it's 11 12 months in in the rearview mirror. Do they have to if we respond and say we want to do an audit do they have to give us more paperwork, more to how do we do that? And again, to use the example raised by supervisor Foley and let's assume it's a contract for housekeeping in one of these departments in the healthcare agency. Who in the world is going to do business with the county? Is that been considered? We're adding all of these costs going forward. You want to do business with the county expect a forensic audit. Even if it's something like the janitors contract. What is a forensic audit? How do we go back and do this for thousands of contracts? We're going to get no compliance. Council. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is your question the definition of a forensic audit? Or what are rights might be? What are our rights to do a forensic audit under a contract where that was never in the RFP, for example, what would we need to get from our contract doors to do a forensic audit? How do we do one this far gone? And by the way, going forward, I worry about any contractor who knows that they're going to have to open all of their books and records to us no matter how small the contract or straight forward it is. And then I've got Supervisor Sarmiento in a second, but at least if we can get an answer to that, unless you have the answer. Well, thank you Mr. Chairman. My understanding as a lawyer and not an accountant is that a forensic auditing is a specialized form of auditing that focuses on investigating potential financial irregularities or fraud. I would say that our right to audit will turn on the language and it's typically a standard language in county contracts that does require our vendors to agree to being audited by the county and to preserve records. But our rights would only go so far as what is permitted under those contracts. And I would say your point is well taken that there will be an outer limit in our ability to reach back in time. Suvice, I'm in. Let me ask Mr. Alonzo if he wanted to clarify something I see as hand being raised. Yes, thank you. Chairman Wagner, supervisor, so I'm in an honorable board like County Council, Leon Page indicated. Forensica audits are very much specialized looking for fraud and proprieties and misconduct and they're very costly because you're doing a very deep dive. His mic is on. We were doing a very deep dive into the issues. I realize what the motion says right now, but I think an approach that the board should consider is a true pronged approach where we do it in phases. The first phase is to contract out with an auto firm to look at all these programs and assess the risk within all these contracts where they properly monitored. We get the services we were supposed to, and we've done some of this already for ARPA, and then based on that, come back with which contracts lacked oversight, were problematic, had red flags. And then for those contracts, then have them come back. And then for each of those, we'll need a proposal on how much each of those would cost. So in essence, the first phase is, let's look at all these programs. ARPA cares, MHSA, general human services, but from a risk standpoint. And then the firm will come back with, these are the gaps, these are the 500 audits we need to look at or whatever, but narrow it down from thousands. And then they can come back with a proposal to then do forensic audits that are, again, very costly, very detailed, for those smaller subset of contracts that are problematic or that add issues. That would be my suggestion. One other thing, it currently, the motion originally talked about contract related to Supervisor Doe. It currently talks about all contracts now. So just in terms of clarification, are we still just talking about contracts with Supervisor Doe? Are we talking about all contracts from, because the motion now does not limit it to just Supervisor Doe. So I did want some clarification on that. Let me try to clarify. As it stands right now, it is all contracts. Right. And as it stands right now, it does not include that approach you just come up with. And if it, and it should, well, if somebody wants to amend the motion to have that phased approach and maybe find a way to just do 500 or whatever the number ends up being of forensic audits, rather than every single contract, a forensic audit going back to before the time I was on this, but before the time three of the four of us were on this board. All of us, right? Well, Supervisor Chafee was here. Not that he did anything wrong. In any of it. So I think I have the floor now. Thank you, Mr. Alonzo. Jeff he was here. Not that he did anything wrong. Any other? So I think I have the floor now. Thank you, Mr. Alonzo. I am not in agreement with your suggestion on that approach. I think that was something that was also when it was suggested at the previous meeting that you were going to do a sampling of the internal audit. I think that was met with also the same response that we want to see all contracts. So you can sit down. Thank you for those, but look, to the extent that I do believe that we do need to have a comprehensive review at this point. And look, the way I see it is that if we don't agree to have an external audit done through this board, the state's going to have one imposed on us. They're going to do it. They're going to require a state audit done of this. So that's going to be a completely different scale scope. It may be more invasive. And to the extent we can't, we can't go back in time or some contracts are going to be, we may not be able to address because they're so, they've been so, such far back in time, that's fine, the outside auditor will go ahead and explain that to us. To the extent that they're gonna work within what legally is allowed for them to uncover, that's something that's what, is that what I'm trying to introduce here is that we have some additional review of our internal work that we're done. And it was clear at the last meeting that we wanted to make sure that the internal audit that we're conducting is thorough. I don't think that there is a timeline. I don't think that this should go on forever, but there isn't a 90-day period that I'm putting on this. That was actually something that wasn't discussed. So there isn't going to be something that is going to be expected back in three months, expected back in maybe it's six months. I don't know. For there to be a comprehensive thorough review from an outside firm, should take as long as it takes. And I believe that that's, again, these are $10 million that were misdirected. And so we're now quibbling over, you know, whether it's legally possible to go back in time, whether contracts can't be uncovered, whether we're gonna be looking at a housekeeping contracts, janitorial contracts, I don't think that that's where the outside firm is gonna waste its time. I think they're gonna be looking at the contracts that were intended to provide services during a pandemic, during an emergency, and were misguided. And it happened. Again, I think we all want to like, quibble about the details, but again, we're losing sight of what happened and what we're trying to cure. And so to the extent we don't adopt this today, that's fine. I know the legislature, just like they did with the disclosure policy that we tried to introduce earlier this year, we didn't get it adopted because I think the comments were there's no corruption in Orange County. They went ahead and did it themselves. And so that's what's going to happen here. We're going to have a new member joining this board. And I'm sure she's coming from the legislature with the direction of making sure these issues get addressed. So to the extent we do it ourselves, we define the scope, we make sure that it's done thoroughly. It's going to be done. Whether it's done through our efforts or whether it's done through the states. Supervisor Fult, hang on a moment, council. Do you want to add? I just have a clarifying procedural question as to what your intent is. So I read the first line of the recommended action where it says direct internal audit department to hire, pursuant to the contract policy manual, and independent external audit firm. So I don't review, I don't consider that to be, return back to the board with your recommendation on selection of a firm. I read that as delegated authority to Aggie to conduct an RFP, and not come back to the board to get approval as to which firm he picks. Correct, okay, thank you. All right, superimp Supervisor Foley. Thank you. Look, I think we all are in agreement that we need to do a deep dive into the contracts that were issued during the pandemic. I think that those, I think everybody has said that over and over again for many, many months now. We voted on that in September. We're continuing to say that. I think what if to use Supervisor Sarmiento's word, what we're quibbling about is not about whether this is important to do, but what direction are we specifically giving to staff so they can actually accomplish the task that is intended. And I think that it's important that we focus the priority so we're not off on a tangent somewhere, unnecessarily, that we focus the first phase and I think you agreed to that, the priority on the contracts that, you know, we know are possibly concerning, and that would be with those CEOs office, healthcare agency, community resources, social services agencies, CARES Act funding, ARPA funding, et cetera. So for my standpoint, I want to get it done in a relatively reasonable period of time. So it's not two, three years down the road that we're trying to figure this out. So I guess what I'm trying to understand, and I don't agree with you that if the, because I've spoken to Senator Umburg, I've spoken to Assemblymember Valencia, I've spoken to many of our delegation about this very issue and they are not going to be doing some kind of audit where every single contract is analyzed because that's actually not how it works. They take a sampling. I don't agree with what Mr. Alonzo had told us at the last meeting with regard to the ARPA funds because my direction was clear every contract, not a sampling. But if you're looking at all the contracts ever entered into for the county of Orange in every single department, even if we didn't vote on it up here, then that is going to be like thousands and thousands of contracts that the state when they do an audit, they would not take that kind of a broad approach. So I'm just trying to help us to narrow the focus so we can actually get some information that might be helpful to us instead of getting off on some tangent because if you say all the staff is directed to do all and a forensic audit it is not cheap We're talking about We're gonna get this back I suppose but I'm expecting this to cost a million dollars maybe. I mean, a forensic audit is not inexpensive. I know this as a litigator. So I hope that we can narrow the focus for the first pass so that staff can get to work on getting this important information to us and not take a two-year period of time. That's my request, Supervisor Sarmiento, we're trying to defer, but that's my request that you narrow the focus. If I may, Mr. Chair. You may go ahead. So I wish I would have heard this at the first meeting last, at the last meeting, because we could have incorporated that narrowing of the scope. But I think on the second sentence, just to go ahead and give the CEO some or the internal audit department some direction. Let's say this audit will and then we can strike the language to within just say this this audit will include the CEO HCA OCCR and SSA. That way it's clear it's limited to them. And hopefully does that provide some clarity going forward? And I don't agree on the timing. I don't know when, you know, how long it will take. That will, I guess, be, that will be discussed during the procurement. So the firms that do respond will let you know what their forecast is when they complete. So to the extent that Mr. Alonzo, you're gonna be, you know, saying it's not an indefinite period of time, but again, I don't wanna say, you know, bring something back within six months and it's gonna be again, I don't want to say, you know, bring something back within six months and it's going to be again a small sampling of the contracts that we're trying to uncover here. Again, it is going to be expensive, but what did we just lose? And to me, the $10 million that were misdirected, it's not even the value of the money. It was how that money was needed during a time that was completely during an emergency. And so I just believe that this is money well spent going forward. It's going to hopefully create some good strong recommendations that we can incorporate into this county because obviously something happened that allowed this to occur. And if we don't look look we will never find those answers. So hopefully that addresses the concern with respect to where we begin and what departments within the county we're going to start with. Mr. Shapy? Yes, thank you. It's been interesting listening to this discussion. I think we all have points here. You know, I don't know which contracts should to focus go on. Could we eliminate a broad category like any contract approved by the sheriff? Would that be something we could eliminate? Then I also note that generally the actions that we take are unanimous. So we all voted along with supervisor Doe for most of these things. That's not anything that points out something was wrong with the contract that we joined together. And I think there's an issue too, however the contract was approved, what's it a fair price? Do we get the service for what, the going rate would be, and if it was okay, whatever influencing anybody had it, we got a good contract. I don't know what would come of an audit of something like that. And so I think there's no budget here. I kind of a little concerned as to how much money we're spending. We have budget issues all the time. And that's a concern. So I think maybe if we actually heard from a potential of audit firm as to what they see, that would be helpful. So we understand how they work and what this scope would be, how they might screen things initially. And so it would fair things out where they thought would be the hot spots if there are any and work there. I'd also like staff to tell us where they're at. Do they see anything that particularly should be looked at by an outside firm? And that might be a place to start. I think we have a very good staff on our accounting side. They look at things carefully. And I also think there should be some reporting coming back. What did we learn? That might give some further direction as to where you go further with any audit. So I think you start with something manageable, get a report and see how that's going. And then if there's warranted to other things that are appearing to be out of line, you look further. But I kind of see this unfolding. I do like the concept of an independent firm and looking at things. We need to button it up and the public confidence here is very important. And I think that gives some confidence to that. But I don't want to wait too long either. I've got a lot of stuff we got to do. It's going to be great for the county if we can get to it. So I don't want to bog down in this either. So that'd be my suggestion we hear from a firm. and like over staff actually is on some of these things and focus better. All right, thank you. And real quick, I'm gonna disagree that we're quote, losing sight of what we're trying to do here. There was an extensive discussion at the last meeting about the scope and breadth of this. When the language was any contract directed or influenced by former supervisor Andrew Doe. And instead of focusing, we've gone even broader. It's now all contracts and it's not just limited to ARPA and CARES acts. It's MSHA dollars, it's general fund dollars. We've brought into that scope and we're starting a year and two months before COVID even hit. And so we haven't lost sight of what we're trying to do here. This request goes in the other direction. I think of what we were trying to do last time. We have a problem. We had a problem in that office. We need to empower our staff as the vice chair just said to say something, to not just say, oh, a supervisor wants to do this, let it go. And that's what really needs to be done. Frankly, I would welcome a state audit. I think a J-LAC audit would be number one very focused and a whole lot less expensive and less burdensome. And certainly my office, and I think, nope, anybody on the diet has none of our offices has anything to hide from a J-LAC audit. So that's probably the best way to go. I will add one last thing. Given this discussion, it's probably the best way to go. I will add one last thing. Given this discussion, it's probably important to bifurcate the items. So when we vote, we can do one separately, and then it sounds like two and three are fine, but I'll entertain a motion to bifurcate those as well, or request bifurcate those as well. All right. Supervisor Foley and then supervisor Sarmiento. Okay, I just wanted to get some feedback from Mr. Page and Mr. Geary as to the revision that was proposed by Supervisor Sarmiento to state that the audit will include contracts within the county, CEO, Office Healthcare Agency, OC, Community Resources, and Social Services Agency, and limited to those contracts for this first pass. Is that understood by you all, and is that dampening response to that? Thank you, Sue, as a fully, I understand it. I think it's probably most important that Robin understands it, because she's the one taking notes and will be issuing the minute order of the board's ultimate action here. So perhaps the clerk could read out what she understands to be the direction. I originally had a motion to approve the item is recommended. It was Sue Roser, so I meant the motioning and second by Supervisor Foley. Then we did have requesting to strike out language. Starting with the second sentence, comma, but not limited to comma. So so we need to also strike the word all from the first sentence so that there's no confusion as to how those two sentences are married together. I think that's maybe add this audit will include all contracts, maybe add the put the word all in front of the word contracts related to those particular departments. Does that work? And that's up to the maker of the work. Yeah, I'm asking, yeah. Well, that's going to change the scope of what we're looking at. I mean, I guess what you're saying doesn't make any. So you're saying to include just contracts within that time frame of January 2019 to 24 in those four agencies that we're talking about all the contracts during that period of time. Yes because those contracts would pull in any contracts with the board offices no matter who was on the board during that time period. And that would at least for the first pass give us a scope that's a reasonable number of contracts to review to determine if there's like some kind of a concern that we can then like expand the scope if necessary. If you put the word all up at the first sentence, that's where that's causing the confusion in terms of, I mean, that would include, Wacem recycling has some kind of a contract for soil removal or something. I don't know. That's fine. I'll go ahead and accept that amendment to go ahead and read. I guess we'll strike all from the first sentence. It'll be to conduct a forensic audit of contracts established between January 2019 and 2024. This audit will include all contracts within the CEO, HCA, OCCR, and SSA. Rob, Sam. Yes, that's exactly what I have. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Rob. Yes. That's what I have. All right. And I'll move the item based upon that. Yeah, it has been moved. Seconded with the amendment. And then can I ask one clarifying question first. I have the floor and then I just. Thank you. So either Mr. Page or Ms. Gary, what are the next steps after we vote on this item today? What would be the next steps in this process? Well, thank you Supervisor Feliz. I understand and it's clarified by Supervisor Sarmiento. This is a delegation of authority to the Internal Audit Department to hire a forensic contractor. And as clarified by the supervisor, Aggie would not be coming back to the board following his completion of a request for proposals selection process. Rather, he will then have the authority to pick that firm and that firm will then conduct the audit as clarified here that it will include all contracts within CEO, health care agency, OCCR, and the social service agency. No medication as to time frame or when the board could expect a report. And soon. I would hope that it could be a reasonable period of time because otherwise it's not gonna to do us any good. I agree. I think it should be a reasonable period of time and I don't think it should be out there indefinitely. To the vice chair's point, the last sentence does require the internal audit to be made public and shared with the board. That's the important part of this is that it shouldn't be a report that's internalized just for our own purposes, but it's something that does need to be shared with the public. And that's the purpose of the last sentence. All right, let me bring our director of internal audit back up. What's this going to cost us? Do you have the budget? Are you going to be looking for supplemental funds? How's this going to be paid for and at what cost? Those are all great questions. The first thing we're going to have to do is develop an inventory of all these contracts. Because that's thing going to dictate how much work and if we're talking a forensic audit, for each contract, each payment, which we are, these things take a relatively large amount of time because you're doing deep dives. Let's say we have 1,000 contracts. Let's say that's 200 hours per contract. That's 20,000, right? If my math is correct, that's a 20,000 hour. Is it not a lot of it or better? Not a lot of it. Well, I don't want to be. But it's a 20,000 hour. There's a lot of lawyers up here. Now, 20 to 30,000, I mean, we're looking at a substantial number of hours. My entire department for the entire year has 13,000. So for us to take something on like this, we're looking at a two-year process. So let's say it's about $100 an hour. We're looking at potentially, you know, pretty costly, too much. And again, that's being conservative. So, you know, we'll find out more. We can certainly keep the board abreast of the inventory, what we're looking at. I can't come up with how many hours it's going to take because we're going to ask the firms to come back with their proposals on what they think. And based on that, then we're going to evaluate them and pick the one that's going to do the best job for the county. And I know we have a report back from this firm to give the results of everything. But maybe as they do forensic audits of each of these contracts, they issue them to get them out there so that at least information's coming out to the board. And we're not waiting. I mean, if we pick a large firm, they might have capacity to do this in six months, seven months. But it's a very large endeavor. We're talking about the most in-depth audits you can do, which are forensic. So I'm sorry, I can't give you more of a concrete answer, but that's what we're at about, you know. Supervision fully estimated a million dollars. Is that high, low, or no? I think that's low. It'll be over a million, I think. But we'll go through the process. Maybe there's approaches. The risk-based approach doesn't seem to be something that we're willing to do here, but that's the way we do all on it. And it's accordance with the standards. And because you just can't look at everything, we don't have capacity. You look at it based on risk. And out of these 1,000 contracts, you could narrow it down. But anyways, we'll do it all. I get the ask, we'll do it the ask, but that's what we're at. It's going to be pretty big endeavor. Thank you. Surprise from you. Yeah. And Mr. Alonzo, thank you for that. I think it's incredibly unfair to put you on the spot and tell you what it's going to look like. So to the extent that that is a very educated guess, I think that's the best we can do, but that I just think we can't hang our hat on something like that and expect you to give us a precise answer. Thank you, yes. It's difficult at this point, but we'll know more, and we'll certainly keep the board abreast of what we're thinking it would cost. Again, we'll have to wait for the proposal. Also, I want to let everybody know the RFP proposal process takes about four to five months. I mean, we'll expedite this, we'll do everything. But it is a process we're looking at just that amount of time to bring someone on board. Tell us, you'll find out also, you know, share that with all of you. All right, and you further requests to speak? So, Resfolio. Yeah, thank you. So, just to clarify, that my requests on September 24th for the internal audit of the CARES funding and the ARPA funding will not be delayed as a result of this request. Is that correct? Correct. And your motion was only for ARPA Supervisor Fully. It did not include cares. So I just want to be really clear because cares is a different program. I would have been, you know, double the amount of work. But the board motion was just for ARPA. I just want to clarify that. Okay, well, you should have clarified that earlier. That's what your motion says, Supervisor. I apologize for that because I think we discussed at the meeting and I'll go back and watch the tape, but we did discuss adding cares because that's the COVID relief funds. Because the money that is subject to the investigation by the FBI includes cares funding. Okay, so why would I not include that? Other than yes, we made a mistake on the wording, but I think during the discussion, we included cares. So if I have to bring a new item here, I will, but I would hope that you could just include the cares because it's relevant to the issue at hand. And so we can talk about this after the meeting as to how you need me to proceed, but my expectation is that it includes cares. And so I guess, part of the reason this is happening like this and we're doing all this on the dius is because we can't sit down in a room and all five of us have a conversation about this and work out all these issues. And so that is why this is sort of messy, I'll call it. And I mean at the end of the day, the abuse occurred with the COVID relief dollars. And so, at a minimum, we need to be looking at those contracts at the very minimum. Of course, that's not where we end the analysis, but at the very minimum, of course that's not where we end the analysis, but at the very minimum. Sure. And so as it relates to what you're working on now though, I want to clarify that you are including all of the American Rescue Plan fund contracts, not just a sampling. Is that correct? The current motion is to do an assessment to report back 90 days on the county's monitoring efforts over ARPA and we're on track to get that report back in 90 days and that's an assessment like I explained last time. That doesn't answer my question. So I'm sorry to be gruff with you, but that doesn't answer my question. My question is very specific. Are you including all ARPA contracts We are looking at samples of our contracts from the monitoring section. My question is very specific. Are you including all ARPA contracts in the analysis that we already voted on in September? We are looking at samples of ARPA contracts from the monitoring section. At the last meeting when Supervisor Sarmiento brought this item forward that got continued to this meeting, we had a discussion that we did not agree that it should be a sampling, that it should be all the contracts. So I don't know why you didn't take that direction. There's a lot of direction being said by all the people. Well, that was very clear. But I work for all four Supervisor and I need something in writing. And what I have in writing right now is to do a risk assessment report back in 90 days on the county's monitoring efforts over ARPA. I will certainly look at, I can expand and look at all of ARPA. I can tackle on cares but now you're asking me to do the work of the external honor position which is a substantial amount of work. No, I'm not. I'm, you're combining them all together. I'm not asking you to do that. I'm asking for clarification. And what I was asking for was whether or not the work that was already approved and it was already begun was going to be that make sure that it wasn't going to be interrupted while we're doing the RFP because you're telling us it's going to take five months to do an RFP, which I don't think that's reasonable either. But so I guess I'll work with Miss Aguiri to get this sorted out, but at the end of the day, my expectation is that the American Rescue Plan contracts that were issued between anybody and the County of Orange, every contract will be reviewed. As I understand it, all of the board office contracts have already been reviewed and we have been told that we have compliance with all of our contracts or if there isn't compliance, a board office has been notified. And that's separate apart from what's happening with the Andrew Doe contracts. But so I guess there shouldn't be that many more of those contracts. I don't know why you can't look at them all. So we can just, I'll discuss it with Mr. Geary, but at the end of the day, we're just trying to make sure that we don't have any fraud or abuse that has been unnoticed or accepted or implemented during this time period. And I think that is the goal. How we get there, we all probably have different ways of getting there. But I think at the end of the goal, how we get there, we all probably have different ways of getting there. But I think at the end of the day, we're trying to analyze whether or not there's any lingering fraud or abuse or contracts that we need to eliminate because they were not in compliance with whatever the regulations or the policies were. Sure. And so I guess I'll just work with Missigiri as it relates to the September 24th direction. But in terms of clarification supervisor and the rest of the board, is the ass then that I go back and look at the monitoring efforts for all the arpeggio contracts the way the original. I'll work with Missigiri and we'll give the direction. Thank you. Miss Rolanger. contracts the way the original work with Missy Geary and we'll give the direction thank you okay Mr. Longer super sorry me at that yes thank you chair I was simply going to call for the question but I also was going to say that this discussion on an item that's unrelated to this shouldn't even be part of the scope of what we're discussing here today so I think that's a separate discussion but I can see I guess you know to the supervisors point I can see, I guess, you know, to the supervisor's point. I can see how lack of clarity, you know, occurs, right, to the extent that there was a clear understanding on your part that differed from what the supervisor intended. That's the confusion, I guess, and that's why I guess we're going through this exercise on this item. You're certainly not going to be doing the, your team is not going to be doing the work on the outside audit. It will simply be procuring for a firm to do that work. So I'm hoping it's not going to interfere with anything else with the exception of you just conducting the procurement. But to the extent that we, you know, that the internal review and the direction from September 24th, completely different than what we're talking about here probably shouldn't really be blended in my opinion, but I simply want to call for the question on the item before us today. All right. Seeing no further requests to speak, we will take the items and as I mentioned, we'll do item 1 first and then we will do items 2 and 3 collectively and the last there's an objection to that. All right, seeing none, let's take a vote on item 1 as amended with the motion by Supervisor Sermiento and a second by Supervisor Foley. All in favor of item one as amended, signify by saying aye. All right. Opposed? I'm a no, so that carries three to one. And now we've got items two and three. Any further discussion on those? Please say no, please say no, please say no. You all said no. Thank you very much. The item has been moved and seconded also by Supervisor Sarmiento and Foley. All in favor signify by saying aye. All right. Opposed? The abstentions matter carries unanimously. All right. Phew. That's how the sausage gets made as they say. All right item supplemental 37A. the community. That's how the sausage gets made as they say. All right. Item Supplemental 37A. Under Supervisor Foley adopt arts policy for public art display in county and administration North Building. We have no request to speak on S-37A. Supervisor Foley, 85 item. Thank you. This item has gotten way more complicated than the chairman and I ever intended. We just wanted to simply offer up our empty wall space on the sixth floor to allow local arch exhibits and to provide some community support for our artists community. The CEO's office drafted a policy and my office reviewed it. It seems fine. it's very lengthy, so with that I'll move the item. I'll second it and Sue Rose-Japy. I don't know why we're doing this, it seems to be sort of a censorship in a way. The art I might put up would be what my grandchildren drew. I don't see how they can possibly enter into the contract as proposed. I know. Vice Chair Chaffee just, Mr. Chairman. Go ahead, Supervisor Folliet. Look, I had no expectation we were going to have to have some elaborate policy like this. I just wanted to get some community art up in the hallway before the open house tomorrow. That obviously did not happen. And so I think staff's concern is one related to whether or not you know maybe it's not one of us maybe it's somebody in the future might put up something that would be offensive. I didn't even contemplate that when I was asking if we could hang art in the hallway. So to me art should always be family friendly and a family friendly space. Well if you have specific art you'd like to put up maybe that could be an item that we could vote on separately. Well according to the CEO we can't do that. That's still in a policy. I don't know. I mean. Okay, well I am opposing this rather laborious procedure. I can't see it as needed. In order to deal with the requirement we have that we can't put up any art on our own and have to go through the public works department. Well that doesn't change. Other than the- Well this has been deal with the public works department. Well, that doesn't change, other than the... Well, this has to deal with the public works department. Well, that's already the existing policy. Well, I don't see the need for this. I don't want to be restricted. I've got some artwork on my own. I've no idea who do it. But I think it's interesting and culturally driven. I'm not trying to... Hang on, let him finish. Let him finish. There's no one here that could actually sign this contract. And it's some of the requirements of contract. I can't agree with either. And so it just really weird. And I haven't had enough time really to read it. As in his details, I'd like her to make suggestions. I like to put this in his details I'd like or to make suggestions. I'd like put this over to the January. I so move it as be continued to January. Second hang on there has been a motion in a second we generate our rules don't anticipate subsequent motions so we'll dispose of the primary motion and then take any if appropriate any follow-up motion, but to bring it back unless the author is willing to put it over and bring it back. I just wanna get it over with. And honestly, I don't think we need the policy. This is something that staff believes we need. If you're willing to just let us each have our own discretion to put up art in our hallways, I would be happy to entertain that motion. Well, if that is an amendment, I would be happy to propose it. And I guess we should hear from Ms. McGarry as to why we think we need this policy. And I also have supervisor Sarmiento willing to speak. So all right, Ms. McGarry. The policies are recommendation from staff just to ensure that. How do we work? We don't have ethical or we don't have like supervisor Foley said maybe nudity on the walls. Or something that may cause conflict between the offices. Could have been. That's all. Well, apparently only approves the only requires the approval of the office putting up the art. The rest of us may disagree, but it doesn't matter because it's only that office that has to say, if I understand this. Can I draw a mural on the wall? Can I have a muralist come in? I can't. That's art. It'll be signed. I don't understand why not. This whole process here does make a bit of sense to me. The current building policy does not allow for murals on walls without approval. Well, if I ask, this would seem to allow for that. The artwork would be on, there would be the shelving installed, and then the artwork could be curated. And I mean, and that's up to each board office, whether they want to participate, don't want to participate. I think the concern was just to ensure that we don't have any maybe questionable artwork. Well, I would not. I would not create a mural that would fall into a questionable category. And the policy, it's up to the board. This is staff recommendation. The board can approve it, not approve it, modify it. Your policy or not Mr. Chairman. Supervisor fully on the question of whether we take amendments or withdraw. Go ahead. Thank you. So vice chair Chaffee, if you are willing to entertain that we would be allowed to put up art in our hallway, each of our offices has a hallway and a wall that leads to the office, maybe the chairman's office, I'm not sure. I'm going to get a lot of windows over there. But, and look, this all started because I, when I was mayor of Costa Mesa, we had art on the fifth. And we commissioned local artists and the arts commission, Hank hung the art. We didn't have a elaborate policy. We just used good sense. And it was the local artists. And they were, and then we had a little reception. And people got to see our local community artists and it decorated the space there as you enter the city manager and city council offices. So that was all I was trying to get done and I've been working to get art up for a couple months now and this was the only way they would let us put up the art. So I'm happy to not have this elaborate policy if the board is willing to entertain that we have a discretion to put art up in our hallway. Well I'm happy to agree to that. I look at what the artist is supposed to follow. It says they've got to comply with the Title VI of Civil Rights Act in 1964. Section 49 CFR Part 21 of the Federative Assisted Program in Department of Transportation. They've got to comply with the uniform relocation, real property assistance policies act in 1970. They got to comply with Section 504, the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, but comply with the Aid Discrimination Act, got to comply with the Civil Rights Restoration Act, and more than that, that's all in this crazy contract. I agree. I will amend my motion to simply say that the board Direct staff to work with each office to install art if they so choose. I would second that mode. Okay in in the public spaces in the building. Yeah, that's fine. All right And as the second or the motion, I will accept that Suva Sermiento Thank you. And thank you, Vice Chair, for those comments. I think I was as confused as you were when I was reading this section and even this item was odd. Just because obviously it's not gonna meet the intent of the author of this item because it was to put up artwork before tomorrow, before the open house. So this is incredibly vague. It's unfortunate that we're using words like offensive. I don't know what that means. I don't know what family friendly means to one person versus another. What's questionable? These are very vague and big-uous terms that we're kind of tossing around here because what's offensive to one person may not be offensive to another. And so who's gonna be the arbiter of that? So if you look at Section F, item one, eligibility criteria, it says that artists must demonstrate professional experience and port and a portfolio of previous work or students can participate if they join through an educational institution. What if we want to do, again, somebody, some artwork from a senior, somebody who is disabled, somebody who doesn't have a portfolio of work. So I think those things are very odd. It also on section F subsection two talks about artists or organizations interested in submitting a proposal for public art will contact the board of supervisors. Who is that? Is that all of us? Is that the chair? Is that the individual office? Just incredibly confusing. Here in section D, what is the art display track? Is that the hallways on our floor in front of our office? Do we need a diagram to designate these spaces of what part of the hallway belongs to what office? So I just think this, you know, again, was put before us with, you know, an ask with a lot more questions that are gonna lead to this. So to the extent that the changes that were offered by Vice Chair, I think I'm also supportive. I just don't like the fact that these are restrictive. These are inhibiting. I think that they can lead to discrimination against some artists and the work that they produce. To the extent that we're going to be again be censoring art. That's what could happen if we look at the rules that are in this in these guidelines. So I am not supportive of the way it reads. I am supportive of the amended version of this motion. So those are my comments just because of the vagueness that was offered in this Supervisually Sorry, okay, all right the item has been amended And there is no further request to speak so the items been moved and seconded as amended any opposition or abstentions Item carries unanimously 37 B position or abstentions. Item carries unanimously. 37B. Under county council, consider first reading of an ordinance of the County of Orange, California. Repealing ordinance number 019-006, sections 1-8-3 and 1-8-4 of the codified ordinances of the County of Orange on their prohibition of anti-competitive or discriminatory requirements and public contracts. And since second reading and adoption for December 17, 2024 9.30 AM, we have no request to speak on S37B. All right, and this is an all district item. Move the item. All right. Is there a second? All right, that has been moved and seconded further discussion. Seeing none, any opposition or abstention? Abstain. Abstain? One abstention? All right, the item carries with three one with one abstention. All right, item carries with three one with one abstention. Do you break? No. All right. 37 C. Madam Clerk, if you would read, please. Mr. Chairman Wagner, Orange County Workforce Development Board. Appointing, Tony Washington, and Rano Valley to complete term ending December 31st, 2024. We have no request to speak on S37C. All right. This is a request from the workforce development board for a chairman's appointment. And we initially had worked it out that it was only going to be through the end of this calendar year. It now appears though we have the legal right and the term extends. appears though we have the legal right and the term extends so I will amend the motion to have a termination date of December 2nd, 2026 and with that amendment I will move the item. So item has been moved, moved in second further discussion. Suvized Charmanteau. Yes, thank you. Thank you. It sounds like this was a recommendation made to you for the appointment by the Workforce Development Board. Miss Washington just based upon her resume seems qualified, but she lives in Riverside. What do we not have somebody from Orange County that could fill this board? Was that a question that you asked of the board? That actually was a question that we asked because, yes, that's the thing that jumps out at you at this recommendation. And we do have, I believe we have Miss Cook in the audience from the workforce development board to maybe to drill down on it a little bit. But yes, we did ask the question. They've been working with Miss Washington and was believed to be the most competent best candidate willing to do the job at the time. And I will stop vamping and now turn it over to Ms. Cook. And she lives in a new point. We did interview several applicants and nominees. We chose Ms. Washington based on her experience, or education, and her personal kind of up through entry level hospitality work through the position she currently holds as director of human resources for Marriott. She works currently in District 5 and commutes daily with love to live in Orange County with possible plans in the future. You're fine. Go ahead. Okay. And we did base it on that. Mary-O-Dashel is the largest presence for the hotels and business centers in OC and has over the past year had the most job openings for our residents. We believe that Miss Washington currently resides out of County, but the work that she does in D5 in human resources brings valuable insight and opportunities for the residents of Orange County. All right. Thank you. So thank you. Thank you for that. I don't think I was questioning the curriculum or the merits of her experience. I was questioning where she resides. So to the extent that we have commissioners and folks who serve on boards in Orange County is because we want them to be from this county. We've got 3.2 million residents at reside here. I can't believe that there aren't as, you know, qualified applicants that could fill this role. It's an incredibly important role. It is. It's made sure that we, you know, in our hospitality industry, we provide work, jobs, opportunities for our residents. So to the extent that somebody resides here and understands the challenges that people have, I think that that should be a baseline, you know, requirement. I think that her resume is strong. She went to USC Human Resources, their Management Association, Department and her work in hospitality. No doubt, but she'd make a great commissioner for Riverside County. I don't, and their workforce development board. Why would we not look further? I have nothing against Ms. Washington. I appreciate you and the board providing her background. I'm simply gonna abstain, Mr. Chair. All right. Thank you, Sue Rose Foley. Thank you. So when you did the recruitment, did people apply that were from? I don't know this individual, but did people apply that were from the district? That didn't have as much experience because I know she works in Newport coast according to her letter and for Marriott so can you help us because I know we do have others who like the small business administration representative does not live in Orange County or didn't I don't know if he does now but so help us understand the recruitment process because we're not part of that. Correct. We reached out to our current board and workforce and partners in network and they gave us numerous resources. We interviewed half a dozen that seemed to fit the criteria. Some of the people that were willing and able to serve were small franchisees or not as much influence in terms of the large impact for the hospitality and tourism. Okay, so you just didn't have anybody that had the same level of qualification. Correct. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chair, I like your Chavie. Oh, yes. I see the applicant actually works in Orange County. Correct. A lot of people can't afford to live here. Yes. So they might live in Riverside County. Right. So I think it's live or work. And I like the experience. It's very broad to bring some different kinds of things to the board that we don't have. So I'm very supportive. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Further discussion. All right thank you very much. Ms. Cook and the item has been moved and seconded in the opposition. We have an abstention I count three to one. A three to zero to one. All right thank you very much that concludes that item. We are at thirty seven D. Please. I know. See public works acting as the Board of Supervisors in Orange County Flood Control District. A proof preventment one to contract with West Coast Arbors Inc. For annual tree maintenance and tree pest management services, authorize removal of 21 Naker Citrus Orchard on county property in the city of Urbulinda. Authorized County procurement office for a deputized as they need to execute amendment and make SQL exemption findings under public resources code 21080B4 and SQL guidelines section 15307, 15308, the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Seconded and I do want to bring up for a question Ms. Cardo. We have Ms. Car we do All right, this is Control district land in in my district quick question staff report mentions that the site will return to natural and native habitat. Will we be able to plant other trees or landscaping there on this site? Yes, as approved by we have to have our plans approved by Department of Fish and Game and fish and sorry California Department of Fish and Wildlife and US Fish and Wildlife and Army Corps of Engineers What what is anticipated is the area surrounding the groves is currently restored habitat and so basically the area the the type of plants that are surrounding the groves would cover the areas that are currently existing by the grove so it would all be the same habitat. For the residents out there, it's not going to lie fallow. There is work to be done on it. Yes. Yes. One to get you on the record and make sure that that was cleared everybody. All right. Thank you very much. And at this point, the item has been moved and seconded further discussion. Seeing none in the opposition or abstentions, seeing none in the item carries unanimously. Thank you very much. We have done E and F. We are at Supplemental 37G. Under Supervisor Foley, a provocation of $50,000 of Fifth District Discussionary Funds. For South Orange County economic coalitions Fabulous Fifth District Economic Report make related findings under government code section 26227. Otherwise, can executive officer designated negotiate an entry agreement as necessary and direct auto control or to make related payments. We have no request to speak on S37G. All right, a D5 item. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This item is a partnership with the South Orange County Economic Coalition, and they've been serving our region since 1969, working diligently to promote a strong economic climate and our local business community. We will partner with UCI to develop the economic report for the fifth district to highlight economic challenges, developments, and opportunities impacting District 5. With that, I move the item. And I'll second it. Further discussion. Seeing none in the opposition or abstentions, matter carries unanimously. Sublonged 37-H. Under Supervisor Poli, you approve allocation of $60,000 from fifth district discretionary funds for Newport Beach Film festival for District 5 Title 1 students. Make related findings under government code section 26227. Otherwise, can't executive officer designated to negotiate an inter-inter agreement as necessary. And authorize auto controller to make related payments. We have no requests to speak on S37H. And this is a D5 item. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have long supported the arts. And this is a grant for the Newport Beach Film Festival for District 5 Title I students to be able to participate in the Film Festival. Each year, the festival partners with more than 40 nonprofit organizations and pairs each philanthropic organization with a film that aligns with their mission. These funds will allow the Newport Beach Film Festival to expand their programming to include Title I students in District Five. And for the public's purposes, we have Title I students in nearly every city in District 5. So I look forward to working with Newport Beach Film Festival to allow our underserved students to participate in world class art programs with that I move the item. Yeah, move the seconded. All right, further discussion. Seeing none in the opposition or abstention, seeing none the item carries unanimously supplemental 37 I Under supervisor fully direct county council to draft an ordinance prohibiting sale of nitrous oxide and paraphernalia Associated with recreational use from retail stores within unincorporated areas. We have no request to speak on S37 I all right. This is the D5 item Thank you, Mr. Chairman This is an item of very important to me. I've been working on certainly helping to prevent families from suffering from individuals who are being sold things for recreational purposes that are not intended. This gas, as we know, for food preparation, medical services, dental, etc. But now, different businesses in the community are selling these canisters for the sole purpose of getting high and for recreational purpose. There's been a rise in Orange County and throughout the whole country for that matter of nitrous oxide abuse, also known as NOX, laughing gas, whippets, or galaxy gas. The use of these inhalants can cause dizziness, they can impair a person's motor skills, cause long-term paralysis, and they can impact your major neurological system and organs. Heavy use of these inhalants also risks falling unconscious and brain suffocation from lack of oxygen. We just saw recently in Orange, a young woman who was using nitrous oxide and who ran into the fountain and destroyed the fountain. Fortunately, nobody was hurt seriously in that accident, but it was an impact to the driving ability. In California, the state law already prohibits the sale of nitrous oxide for recreational use, but there's this loophole and it is only if the seller is aware that the buyer doesn't intend to use it to get high, which if you're selling this at a smoke shop, I'm not sure how you could qualify for that loophole. So long as the smoke shop owner doesn't ask, then it is legal to sell these products that are literally being used for recreational use. So we just saw also that in our hearing, our investigative hearing on substance abuse in Orange County, we heard directly from our county health officials, safety professionals, and state policy makers about the alarming increase in the use of these substances. And we also discussed steps that we can take to address the issue. Louisiana and Michigan became the first states in the nation to ban the retail sale of recreational nitrous oxide, and the state of the community. The state of the community is the only one that is going to issue. Louisiana and Michigan became the first states in the nation to ban the retail sale of recreational nitrous oxide, especially the products and attachments designed for human consumption. In the UK, they've also banned it. Humboldt County is moving forward with bands as well. So I hope our county moves in the same direction today. And with that, I move to give direction to county council to draft an ordinance banning the recreational sale of nitrous oxide. And I'll second it further. Oh, I'm sorry, super as Chafee. This only applies to our unaccomparated areas. I'm going to go to the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the thing to support the item. Thank you. All right. Further discussion. Seeing none. Opposition or abstentions. Seeing none. The item carries unanimously. Thank you. All right. We have completed item 38. So we'll now move to the closed session items. We have five closed session items today. And Matt Clark, if you would read the closed session items we have five closed session items today and Man Clark if you would read the items. Close session one under under county executive office conference at labor negotiator pursuant to government code section five for nine five seven point six each and see negotiator platforms chief human resources officer employee organizations workers represented by United domestic workers of America regarding terms and conditions of employment. Supplemental closed session 200 County Council conference of legal counsel existing litigation pursuant to a government of section five for nine five six point nine D one name of case Robert Osborne versus County Orange supplemental closed session three under county council conference of the council existing litigation pursuant to a government section five for nine five six point nine, name of case, Roberto Rivas versus County of Orange, supplemental closed session for under County Council, conference of legal counsel, existing litigation, pursuant to government closed section 5 for 956.91, name of case, Julian Valencia versus County of Orange, and supplemental closed session 500 supervisor fully, conference of labor negotiator, pursuant to government closed section five for nine five seven point six. Agency negotiator, Cled Foreign Chief Human Resources Officer, employee organization, Orange County Employees Association, regarding terms and conditions of employment. Mr. Chairman, we receive one request to speak on SCS-5. All right, call the speaker, please. Billy Polanco. the next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The next meeting. The Good afternoon, Board of Supervisors. On behalf of HCA Outreach and Engagement, I want to extend my heartfelt gratitude to each and every one of you for carving time out of your agenda to discuss Special Assign and Pay within the Outreach and Engagement Program. Your willingness to listen to our personal encounters, experiences, back in October's meeting truly means a lot to us. Your thoughtful attention to this matter, as well as your decision to schedule a follow-up meeting demonstrates a genuine contentment to understanding and addressing the needs of the program and the people it serves. We deeply appreciate your support and consideration and we look forward to continuing this important conversation. Thank you again for your time, your care and your consideration. Good day. Thank you very much. No further requests. All right we will take that matter up in closed session. What is the count the board's preference? If we go through we probably are out of here by one. Otherwise, we can do a close session and come back. All right. Let's get it done is the thought we will get it done. Madam. All right. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We will move now to the public comment section of the agenda at this time. Members of the public may address the board of supervisors regarding any off-agent items within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Board of Supervisors. Provided that no action may be taken on off-agent items unless authorized by law comments will be limited three minutes per person. Madam Clerk, call the first three speakers please. Yes, we have eight total Steve Rocco, Paul Hayek and Elias Seglund. I'm Eric and Ilya Seglin. So, I was in a election which today it's being certified and I suppose I should thank my voters for the 15,000 plus votes that I did get. But I'm not going to do that because there is discrimination, there is fraud and every single election is fraudulent. And they have the choice, voters between Black Steve and White Steve. And the discrimination was obvious. Let me tell you something. Under my name, you appointed the Red Star voters. You did. And the ex, Neil Kelly, the ex, registrar, he still gets paid as a consultant. So they do as you please. Under my name, I got one word and the wrong word. Under his name, they had 13 words. So, and then this wonderful goody over here. You know this is paid advertising? No, we're in this booklet doesn't say that this is paid advertisement. But on the page where his biography is, there's nothing of mine. Not even my name. Zero. Costs thousands of dollars. Talk about fraud, huh? Well, and then you have your hit squads, of course. Big fat lies which you tell and perform very well. A crime is which you want to cover up. You said wonderful things about our ex-County clerk across the street. Hugh Nugigan. Did you know that for several elections he said that he was the son of an American soldier, a dead American soldier. You know that isn't true? He's alive. He's a son, he's a bastard. His mother was a hooker. Had him when he was 14. And he gets all these accolades and gets where all this information winds up. It winds up in his bio. It winds up in one of these. And then you wonder why the right person doesn't get elected because it's fraud, it's lies, big fat lies which you go for and you continue, the lies continue. But you know, 15,000 votes is pretty good. And it's nice to know that there's at least 15,000 people that agree with me. And probably I held a lot more, but you are organized crime. You are white collar crime. Everything comes from you. Thank you, next speaker, please. I am Paul Haik of Anaheim. E-bikes are considered no more than electrified mobs. They need to fall under DMV M1 licensing and control for sale. Thank you, next speaker please. After Elias Seglin, the next three speakers are Tim Rush, Brian K. And Deborah P. Good afternoon. Chairman Wagner and the board. My name is Eliulia Zeglin. I demand your resignation from public office and revolt your license to practice law. The Chairman and the Board of Supervisor are coming to the public forum unprepared, and it's obvious that agents, actually that agenda and items have been prepared by someone else. Indeed, the board have all the months and time to discuss and come to the prepared, come be prepared for the public meeting, but coming unprepared and within 10 to avoid here and accept the public opinion. Indeed, what do you all do the months? Coming can prepare to the meeting with public and cutting the minutes from public, three minutes, speeches, and interrupting the public, it is contradiction to your oaths for representing the public. There is a plant and strangenment of my son made from my family and my community by the director of Orange County Regional Center, Khan Artists, Londauer. My son has been kidnapped by the manufacturer and false report master by Khan Artists Larry Londauer, the Director of your Orange County Regional Center. You are in form numerous times with numerous evidence of corruption of the superior court judges that bribes made them avoid following rules of law and constitution for personal profiteering. I have a right and duty to respond when my family is targeted for destruction. And my innocent son has been kidnapped, enforced to poisoning psyched drugs and torturing. As a matter of fact, there is a moral clarity absent, either who corrupting the government official, as director of Orange County Regional Center, Larry Londaur, and the DDS director, Nancy Bergman. And government official and superior court judges who have been corrupted and bribed, and you avoid do something. It is numerous evidence of the corrupted public defender office and each of your heads on the meantime. Thank you very much. Next week, please. Good afternoon, members of the Board of Supervisors and Chairman Wagner. My name is Tim Russian. I'm here to ask you to not to certify the election that we just had. And why? Well, because of problems with the chain of custody and I would also ask you to seek the resignation of Bob Paige who is our current registrar of voters bring back Neil Kelly I mean here we are today essentially 30 days after the election and we still't, we're still not done counting ballots. As of this morning, I checked and there's 11,218 ballots left to count here in the county. How ridiculous. Years ago, we were done within 48 72 hours, not today. So I, if something is terribly broken. Anyway, thank you for your consideration. Thank you, next speaker please. Brian K. and Deborah P. Happy day. It seemed to be a lot of talk about whistleblowers and that there's new legislation to protect them. And it seemed to be embraced by each and every supervisor. Even supervisor Foley said no fraud should be accepted, used or continued. Now it's a little bit difficult because evidence of courtroom ready evidence has been presented of a felony to this board of supervisors. And you're free, free to do whatever you want to do. The law prohibits, it doesn't prevent. So while the law prohibits the use of these forged documents, you continue to use them. You use these forged documents while stating that no fraud should be accepted or used or continued. And the shame is that this makes three times that Katrina Folly has gone on the record to state that she's afraid of someone or that she's done something for some reason. Kim Sorrentay, she said that she was afraid of Kim Sorrentay, and he wasn't at her house. He wasn't at her house on the day that she claims to be afraid of him, yet she went on the record and had him arrested. With myself saying that I threatened her, There's no evidence I threatened her, but she continues to maintain that position. And now, sadly enough, with this last gentleman, the elderly gentleman who reported to human trafficking, rather than take his complaint and file it with the FBI, which is actually her legally required chain of action, that those are the facts, and those are the laws. And by not forwarding this report she committed a crime which is misprison of a felony. Now rather than go to her house with pitch forks and torches and protest, we came down here and we asked what's going on. And if you look at her advisors, they're all young, and none of them really look like they're qualified. Which might be part of the problem. We have the same problem in Anaheim where we have a city council member who's got these two 20-year-old advisors, both of them taking psych meds, and neither one are really qualified to do anything. Here you are committing felonies, committing fraud upon the court and calling upon the county to stop that type of behavior. So again, I will be filing another report with the FBI because they seem to be the agency that takes care of these issues. It's a shame that you're not able to or willing to and the FBI will take care of these issues. It's a shame because each and every one of you have the opportunity to be a hero. And you haven't taken that opportunity. Happy day. Thank you, Next speaker please. After Deborah P. the last three speakers are Eline McDermott, Kate and Patty Cabada. Good afternoon supervisors. My name is Deborah Pauling. I'm an attorney with the Lex Rex Institute. We are legal counsel to a group of concerned citizens advocating for transparency and legal compliance in the renewal of the Orange County's participation in the voters' Choice Act VCA. I speak today to emphasize the critical importance of providing reasonable public notice and meaningful opportunity for public input before any decisions are made on this matter. In 2019, Orange County's adoption of the VCA was fundamentally flawed due to inadequate notice. That is evidence by a significant lack of public engagement. Despite the profound impact of the VCA on election procedures, only 23 individuals out of 1.8 million registered voters submitted input before its adoption. At the time, the registrar of voters contended that the notice was posted on the registrar's website, and I do believe that they also made a post on social media. This method was neither reasonable nor effective for informing the public about a decision of such consequence. The average voter does not routinely monitor the ROV website, nor should they be expected to do so to learn about decisions of this magnitude. To address these deficiencies and satisfy the requirements of California elections code, I urge the board to adopt a more robust and effective method for providing public notice and soliciting input. The board should require that postcards are mailed to registered voters. They should schedule public hearings, conduct multiple widely publicized hearings to present the BCA and explain its implication to voters in Orange County. They should also provide for ample opportunity and time for public input. Although the bottom floor that the code requires is 30 days, there should be at least 90 days of public input. I respectfully request that the board take all necessary steps to prioritize transparency, accountability, and meaningful public engagement as it considers the renewal or not of Orange County's participation in the VCA. The problems have been myriad, they have been documented, they have been brought to your attention multiple times. I have letters of this content available for each member of the board of supervisors. It's also been mailed to your offices. I thank you for your time. Thank you, Councilor. Next speaker, please. Good day. So what I'm going to say today, it's remarks from Seth Keshell, MBA. He's a former Army captain of the military intelligence and Afghanistan veteran. His analytic method is known worldwide to statistical analysis of detecting election fraud since 2020, 2022, California recall election in 2024. Three weeks ago or three weeks later, the Denver crads have flipped to US House seats in California. Any honest American should be outraged at the shameless third world operation occurring in this largest state. We would literally invade other countries and send our own men and women in arms away to liberate countries that do this garbage. California is a criminal enterprise. And so, as many other states who find it acceptable to permit election to run this long and pretend the public should trust outcomes. Honestly, maybe I have the wrong perspective on California. I should probably give them massive credit for knowing how much population they have and how many houses they can swing by pioneering ballot harvesting, converting themselves to a male in state, and making it well known ahead of time that they will count votes past Thanksgiving for no other reason because they feel like it. They know good and well that they are rigging US House, known, no people are under major election fatigue and also that the third of the country will find no fault in this puppy kickery because their team benefits in the end of all of it. It is shameless and brazen and maybe should tip the hat to them for simply not giving a single shit what anyone else thinks. They are going to take these races and that is it final. I also want to thank Brian K for helping Mr. Springer and allowing the FBI to take that young female off of porn site and when the Board of Superwriters did nothing about it. And thank you. There are good FBI agents out there and they did their job this time. Thank you, next speaker, please. Well, excuse me, there's our Kate and Patty Kabata. the committee. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, supervisors. So I just sat through supervisor Sarmiantos agenda item 37. That we spoke about for I don't know how an hour and it was spoken about also. Last meeting I wasn't here but it went on and on. And you spend obviously tons of time, tons of taxpayer monies, to indict Super supervisor doe. Is the contract, what I want to know is, why are you not doing the same thing about our elections and the voters choice act? Why is there not an internal forensic audit going on right now with the registrar of voters and the voters choice act. So I want to ask you also in your forensic audit from 2019, I hope you will add the registrar of voters so they can look over the voters choice act and these uncertifiable machines that we have found out from the register that the registrar of voters Neil Kelly he should be in jail said oh no let's just use them even though they are unsertifiable. It would be nice because that is what this board's major job is, is our elections. And when we come here for years and years and tell you we do not trust our elections, that should be the first thing before anything. Before the roads, before the parks, we want to make sure that we trust our elections and the people that we elect get into office. I do not believe that Orange County voted for Kamala Harris. I've been speaking with people since August, Everett, all the time. They did not vote for Harris. They voted for Donald Trump. You need to clean up our elections. And this election is uncertifiable. You are counting for days and days, and there is no, there are still ballots left to count. This is uncertain, a child would know that you shouldn't certify this election. Thank you, next speaker, please. I think that's why I think that you should be able to say that you should not certify this election. Thank you next speaker please. Good morning board. I wanted to I don't know how you voted earlier on Vicente Sermanto's resolution. But I think it is very important that you bring an outside agency into the county to do a thorough forensic report because the residents here, we don't trust the county. We look at county, I'm supervisors and everything attached to the county as corrupt because that's all that's been shown to us. And a bigger reason is because Andrew Doe's wife, she's a judge. Since March 21st, 2020, she has been the criminal supervising judge, supervising the felony trial panel and criminal operations for Orange County Superior Court. That is one of the main reasons why we need an outside agency. Whistleblowers need to feel safe and secure when they are speaking out against the corruption that they have witnessed because there is too much money at stake. And when you start diving down the different rabbit holes of money that people were staking their hands in, the COVID money, which it seems to be a lot of the corruption has been taken place. People are going to get scared and not want to talk. That's why we need an outside agency. A lot of these non-profits, they were faked during COVID. I met thousands of people, residents of the county, coming to these meetings. Every meeting they'd come, sharing the same sentiment, wanting honesty, wanting transparency from this board. Because most of us knew it was nothing but lies being told to us on a variety of things. Some people, they would look at these nonprofits, go to the locations only to see empty buildings. A lot of these nonprofits that received money weren't even created until 2020 or 2019. That's why it is important that you bring in an outside agency especially because Andrew Dose wife is a sitting superior court judge. Every person in this county deserves to be safe. No further speakers, Mr. Chairman. All right. Thank you very much. Let me bring it back to the board. We will now move to CEO comments. Ms. Geary, any comments today? Thank you, Chairman. Just a reminder that the Strategic Financial Plan Public Workshop is scheduled for next week. I think that is. December 12th at 3 o'clock is the in-person workshop. It's across the way at the county admin south in the multi-purpose room. And then there is a virtual option at 6 o'clock that evening. We're doing the press release tomorrow, so there'll be the more specific information available tomorrow. And did just want to point out that members of the public can request interpreter that does need to be done in advance though. And then on the press release I also wanted to note that there will be a link for the public to be able to share their comments. And then speaking of our strategic financial plan that will be hosted by our new chief financial officer, Kim Angleby, just a shout out to Kim. Kim participated in a competitive process and is now our chief financial officer after 26 years with the county. And so just congrats to Kim and thanks for your service. Thank you. Supervisor, all right. Surprise for me on tow. Thank you, Chair. These are all. Okay, all right. Let me give the usual admission. At this time, members of the Board of Supervisors may comment on any agenda or non-genitams. May I ask questions or give directions to staff provided that no action may be taken on off of genitams. And last authorize by law, do any of my colleagues wish to speak or have adjournments in memory Supervisors are meant to. Yes, thank you, Chair. First of all, congratulations, Ms. Engelby, and I know you've been doing a lot of the work already. Now the title will follow the work. So welcome aboard in that new role. I just simply wanted to comment on something else having to do with the denial of the harm reduction institute and their application to CDPH. So harm reduction institute filed an application with CDPH to provide mobile needle distribution service in St. Anna once again. While we recognize the importance of harm reduction through the use of sterile needles to help reduce the transmission of infections, including HIV and hepatitis C, we oppose the application due to the concerns of our residents regarding the public health issues associated with the programs. HRI's cause is noble. But the proposed requirements and the safeguards for collecting used syringes and needles were unacceptable and directly endangered our community. I wanted to share that last week we received very good news that the state denied the application by HRI. Again, I don't want to speak ill of the program. I think it has merit, I think it has good goals and good intentions. But unfortunately, the recovery of those needles that were left unaddressed, just was something that was too difficult for once again, San Ana to shoulder. And that was the city where it was first introduced. I wanna thank our county public health officer, Dr. Chinceo Kwan. She wrote a strong letter in opposition, and as did we, so I believe that the state took everything into consideration and denied that application. So to the extent that they can come up with a better plan, maybe to recover these syringes, maybe to have them located in one place. I don't know what the solution is, but what was offered was certainly not, wasn't enough. So they weren't able to mitigate the danger, even though they were trying to prevent, obviously an important public health concern. They just weren't able to deliver on a good program to make sure that the community wasn't gonna be harmed further throughout the program. So I wanna thank Dr. CK for her work and helping and I know this is good news for the residents of District 2. Thank you. Thank you very much. Vice Chairman JV. Yes, I just like to change my vote on that one item that I've stayed on to make that an eye. Which item was that and I assume that will not change the result. No, he was a. I don't remember. Re-in favor in one abstention who is me. I just like to make a do unanimous. Okay. All right. That will be noted. Thank you. Super as fully. Thank you. We got noticed during the meeting that the final official Orange County election results have been posted as of noon today. And so final voter turnout percentage was 76.1%. So the votes are in, they're counted, they're done. We will be, I think, certifying those tomorrow. And also congratulations. Miss Engelby, I'm excited to be able to work with you, continue to work with you in this new leadership position. I know the road to here has been a long journey for you and your dedication to the County of Orange, to our fiscal health, to our finances is really appreciated. So thank you so much and we're looking forward to working with you in this new process. And then wanted to also remind everyone, we have our open house tomorrow for the county board offices from one to three and we look forward to seeing you there. We have our 16th annual kids coat drive that is underway. to want to donate a new jacket or coat or sweatshirt for children in the community in District 5. You can donate at our local libraries at the several of the city halls. You can go to at Supervisor Foley on our social media and you can see all the different locations. Or you can just donate here at the County Administrative North Building. And then we also look forward to seeing everybody out in the community at all the different tree lighting ceremonies and the reorganization ceremonies for all the different city councils. It's going to be a busy couple weeks until we can all then take a break. And I know probably all of us are looking forward to that break. So thank you all. I'll say it now. I'll say it again, but thank you to our county staff and to our interim CEO who hit the ground running and has been running ever since. Non-stop for helping us get through this year. It's been a very dynamic year with lots of challenges, lots of things to be proud of. Some things not so much, but we will get through those as well and we appreciate all of you and your hard work. Thank you. All right, we will now move to closed session and be back one 30 or as close there too as possible to read out any reportable actions taken in closed session. Thank y'all