testing one two one two testing for the captioner testing one two if anyone's in Kona could you let me know if we have captioning Good morning, Donna. Good morning. Do we have captionings? Good morning.. We have captioning we too. Okay. Your volume is a little bit low over here. Test one, two, and two. How's that now? Yeah, that's better. Thank you. Okay, and do we have the captioner up? Yes, we do. All right, thank you, Charles. Have a good day. You too, Donna. Bye. Bye. you you Thank you. Alina Kialoha Kako, Aloha and welcome to the 12th session of the Hawaii County Council. The date today is May 7, 2025. It's 9 a.m. We are meeting today in our West Hawaii Civic Center chambers. We also have members joining us from our Hilo chambers at the Hawaii County Building with that. I'd like to call on Pastor Charles, broadhead of Quantle church of the Nazarene to provide our invocation this morning. Aloha. Aloha, Steve members of the council here. And Kona and Hilo, it's my pleasure to be back with you again to bring the invocation. And as I was praying for you last night, and this morning several scriptures came to mind that I hope you'll take heat of to draw strength and wisdom from the Word of God. Proverbs 11 14 says, where there is no guidance of people falls, but in abundance of counselors, there is safety. And my prayer is that as counselors, you will provide guidance and lead in leaders as leaders for our community and today. And Isaiah chapter 117 says, learn to do good, seek justice, correct oppression, bring justice to the Father, and plead for the widow's cause. And I pray that your words would inspire you to bring justice and aloha to our community. And then in finally, in Galatians 6.9, the Apostle Paul tells us, let us not grow weary of doing good. For in due season, we will reap if we do not give up. And my prayer is that you would stay steady to the course. You would be at hard work, but not grow tired of the good things that you bring to our island. And finally, I pray that you would wisdom would give you guidance and unity as you make decisions today. Let's pray, Father, we love you today. You are our gracious God, and we come before you now. May your guidance and wisdom for our leaders give that to them as they deliberate together and make decisions for our Hawaii County. We thank you for giving them the privilege and the responsibilities for serving our community in these days. And we ask that your presence would be felt here among them today. Lord grant them the clarity, the discernment to understand the needs of our people, and encourage them and give them courage to act in ways that foster done only justice, peace, prosperity, but aloha. And Father, may their actions reflect your love, your compassion, and may their decisions be guided by integrity and righteousness. Father, bless each member of this council here and in the Healalbers, give them strength and patience to work together harmoniously and may you set aside their personal agendas for the good of our island. Father, may they listen with open hearts and open minds, respecting each other's opinions, viewpoints, and may they seek common ground for the betterment in the future of all. Most of all Father, I pray for your protection upon them, our islands, our residents, and our INA that we are so honored to call home. It is in your holy name, the name above all names we commit the state to you. Amen. Amen. Mahalo Nui Pastor for that invocation called in this meeting to order Mr. Clerk Roll call please. Councilmember Galimba. Here. Councilmember Hustis. President. Councilmember Coguata. Councilmember Connelly Eclinfeldr. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Present. Councilmember Campbell. Here. Councilmember Onishi. Present. Councilmember Vegas. Present. Councillor Campbell. Here. Councillor Onishi. Present. Councillor Villegas. A.L. Cherry Nava. A.L. Cherry, you have seven members present. You have Korn. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Would you please leave us in the pledge of allegiance? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mahalo. There are no certificate presentations today noting that on the agenda we have two sets of minutes for approval of the February 19th minutes need some further revision. So are there any changes or concerns with the meeting minutes of March 7, 2025? done the minutes of March 7, 2025. Seeing none, the minutes for March 7, 2025 are approved. Members will go through reports and the first resolutions prior to CRF today and then we'll jump to the end and save our CRF last. So with that, any statements from the public? Mr. Araceli, if he let us know, please let us know. If there's any statements from the public from courtesy sites, we're on Zoom. We do not at this time have any testifiers here in the corner chambers. Thank you. Thank you so much. And with that chair, we have two testifiers here in the Heelow Chamber in a few testifiers via Zoom. So what we'll do is we'll start with our Heelow testifiers, both of which testifying on resolution 148-25, Tim Hansen to be followed by Charlene Ibochi. Tim, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. You can turn that mic on by hitting the button at the base. Aloha, good morning chair and council members. Here this morning just to support resolution 148-25 that allocates $6,500 to a special Peace poll to be installed in Hilo. I don't know if you're able to see but I brought with me a map of all of the Peace these poles that we currently have installed here on our island. The proposed peace pole with resolution 148 would be number 52 on our island. And it's been a partnership with the Rotary Clubs of of Big Island and also the Council and other groups to try to install Peace Poles throughout the island. And I'm going to just reserve my time to send over to Charlene actually to talk a little bit more about Peace Poles and their meaning and special occasion with the Peace Poles that we're talking about. Okay, thank you so much. So, Chair, your next testifier, Charlene. Charlene, when you begin, if you can just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Thank you. My name is Charlene Ibochi. I'm representing the rotary peace group on the whole island. Well, all the rotary clubs have joined together to unify and are an effort to create symbols of peace for the whole island. So the Peace Pole is the most notable peace symbol throughout the world. It's recognized by the United Nations. It was created as a result of unfortunately, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing. So there was a philosopher who created, who was Masa, He said, Goy, and he created as a symbol to stay to the whole world no longer will we ever have war, nuclear war, any war and conflict. So it's a symbol and we have actually, Tim, we have 56 poles already. So this is a special pole, this is the 88th year of the commemoration of the Kiteshima Nagasaki bombing. So it's a granite pole, this is a special pole. pole and each the county buildings actually have poles already, but this one is a special one because it will be at the park, where it will be recognized by many tourists and locals as well as a symbol of peace. So it really stands for let's have hope and take action by first having peace in our hearts, in our communities, and then the world. Thank you. It's a simple statement to the world. Thank you so much for your testimony. With that, our next testifier, Chair, is via Zoom, Amy Ha Young Lee, to be followed by Tony Widdington. Amy, when you begin, you'll have three minutes. If you could just reintroduce yourself, please. Thank you. Aloha on our World County Council members. My name is Amy Lee, and I'm here representing Hawaii Care Choices, also known as Hospice of Hilo for Resolution 152-25. This year will be the 21st year of our celebration of life events. Families who wish to honor the memory of their loved ones pass by floating decorated lanterns into Reitz Bayhilo will get to do so again during this Memorial Day weekend on May 25th. This event continues to be the largest lantern floating events on big island thanks to your support. This cultural enrichment event will start off with the Pule and chant into Reads Bay at noon with the hands of the community joined, sending love, hope and compassion to our Oana affected from other things in their life that brings grief. It will take a moment to acknowledge their grief loss and most importantly, their perseverance. The event will continue with the first obundance of the season and with beautiful Hula performances. It will also bring in dozens of food trucks and local businesses together then at sunset. Community members will gently and emotionally release each of their lantern. This event gives our community an outlet to grieve and find comfort, shoulder to shoulder with one another. They're able to begin letting go of their pain as they physically let go of their lanterns. This is the moment where healing begins for countless individuals. Also, through this event, many families learn about the importance of healthy grieving and the free professional bereavement support that we provide. They're reminded once again of the importance of mental and emotional well-being and help us to reach out to hundreds of community members who are journeying through their grief. This is a event that continues to fuel our East Hawaii's only professional grief support program. We're continued to reach our community thanks to the fiscal support this council provides. We anticipate about 2500 attendees this year for this is an all inclusive free event for the public and so I humbly ask for all of your support. Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony. Share your next testifier is also via Zoom, Tony Tony withington testifying on resolution 120. Tony when you begin, if you could just unmute your mic, you'll have three minutes. If you could just reintroduce yourself as you begin, please. Yes, good morning, Council members. My name is Tony Weithington. I live in North Kohala. I am president of Kamakani, Ok Kohala, O Hana, Kaka, O which has been participating in the Open Space program since 2009. Our group is speaking in favor of resolution 1-0-2-5. and we strongly support the resolution. This is an unusual thing for us and all our experiences in that this year there were five excellent projects that were received almost unanimous. nomination by the PONC commission. I think it is okay to bundle them. And I think that it does not limit the public's ability to get before you and support, oppose or comment on any of the projects. Um, our group comments on the poll point project, which is an excellent one. I don't want to take up much of your time because a lot of written testimony was given on Apollo. But I do want to also let you know that our group supports. And it's very happy that Mayor Alameda has nominated Maya Goudone, uh,oudoni, a born and raised Kohala person to the Punk Commission. So thank you very much. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, next testifier is via Zoom. Chuck Flaherty testifying on report, report GOEC-35. And then I've I've been informed that we have testifiers at our cohalasite and Waimea so after Chuck we'll transition to our cohalasite but at this time Chuck if you could unmute your mic you'll have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself as you begin please. Aloha Mr. Chair and Council members my name is Chuck Flaherty I am not representing any organization today. The late written testimony submitted last night contains more detail. Before I begin I would like to apologize to Miss Lyers for any offense created by the following expression of my honest opinions. After watching the video of the GOEA Committee meeting and reviewing the nominee's business interests, and compelled to oppose the confirmation of the nominee for a five-year term to the Leeward Planning Commission, the first reason is a lack of working knowledge and experience necessary for comprehensive understanding of agenda items that often involve complex legal issues. This will also impair the ability of the nominee to make independently informed decisions. The second reason is the clear potential for complex eventrists with LPC agenda items, given the nominee is an agent of the real estate firm luxury properties LLC. The last reason is the confirmation of the nominee will increase the already existing imbalance of interest and experience on the LPC. It is clear to all that Miss Iris is about standing character. She is, she has excelled in all her lives endeavours and is an exemplary community volunteer and parent. She definitively fits the demographic and our county's needs for young local residents to step up to the plate. She should be admired, respected and acknowledged for her willingness to serve on our county's boards and commissions. The Planning Commission is a powerful, administrative institution involving a myriad of laws, rules, and regulations with broad discretionary authority and influence. It is not an appropriate commission for on-the-job training. For this reason, I would hope the nominee would consider beginning her service to county planning on the Cohn and Community Development Plan Action Committee instead of the OPC. That action committee is currently in a dire situation with five vacancies listed online for nine member committee. I hope she will agree that committee would be most appropriate and effective volunteer position for her to begin her service to county planning. I would hope that council will consider whether or not it is fair or appropriate for the South Kona community to be represented by yet another commissioner who is essentially a novice to county planning. It is important to keep in mind the fact that South Kona is relatively untouched by development and therefore still possesses significant constitutionally protected environmental cultural and historic resources. It is for this reason that the South Dakota community is alarmed by the increasing number of large highway to coastal divisions developments. Thank you. between Hona and Al-Millile, they're at least four large subdivisions being proposed or developed that cover over 1,000 acres of coastal land. Please see the letters that were attached to my written testimony to see the legal issues that have already resulted. I hope the County Council and our Miss Iris would agree the best place to start the steep learning curve is with the Econa CDPAC. My written testimony does contain questions that I hope the council will ask the nominee. My hollow for your time and Mahalo to Miss Iris for her willingness to volunteer very much appreciate. Thank you so much for your testimony chair at this time if we could transition to our co-halla site to be followed by our YMA site for their test and fires. AMA if you could please. Thank you. We have a little holiday book here. Testifying on. here, testifying on resolutions 161-25 153-25 121-25 144-25 120-25 and less the communication number 288. be eight. I hope you will have three minutes per item. Please clearly transition between each item. So I may restart the timings and please restart your name for the letter. Aloha, council. I don't wanna do them all at one time. First off, Darty Gamayon is going to be wonderful in that position. She is a copa jockey in the mornings. She does lots of community service. I hope that she is considered for that space, cultural. So, am I going to wait for the other ones? And I want to thank our councilperson James for coming and talking story. Don't know where this should be at this point of the council meeting but in front of our commandment beautiful county property is an old Kojala Civic Center sign the e is missing. The back of the sign is moldy and looks like do do. So I'm hoping somebody can fix that before our wonderful King Camae Day parade and events. Why? I'll restart the timer for you. I'm done with dartinging. Okay. restarting. Learn how to order. Okay. We are going to go to Resow 120 dash 25. I oppose and I'd like to comment. County properties to be turned into open spaces. Wow. We're desperately looking for land to put affordable housing here in North Phuha'la through our CDP affordable housing committee and maybe one of those open spaces could be considered for affordable housing. Next, this one's everything. This one's a serious one, folks. When I rent through the whole agenda and did my math, it's approximate, but it's serious. Councilperson Onishi, using our tax dollars at the total of $27K, $27,000. For all kinds of interesting things. Can't we fix our roads? Next. This one is kind of cool. This is Rezo 144-25. The Kona Gold Boxing Club. Support and a comment. Tony Glimbo, one of our Phala Kupunas was in that decades ago. He believes this is a really good thing for the kids, discipline and boxing club to get some county money is a really good thing. He supports it. I support it. This one is Rezo, 1, 2 5 Council and we only have seven today. Hmm. The University of Hawaii is getting county funds to the tune of 25k 25 grand. Don't they have their own money? This resolution is very, very, very in opposition of what the county needs to do. The University of Hawaii has plenty of dough. That's state tax dollars. Thank you. Next. Result 153-25. Using county tax dollars again when we need to fix our roads. Let me just find this one. It's a big. Result 15 Council. It's a lot of stuff. One five three two five. This deals with Matthew, Councilman Matthew. He spent in 17K in his district and or in this resolution of our county tax dollars while there are many things that he's asking for. Can't we consider some of these menini ones? Have them do fun razors and not use our serious tax dollars? Fix the roads we have many roads in the county have them do fun raisers and not use our serious tax dollars. Fix the roads. We have many roads in the county that needs whole opponent opponent by our favorite meal. I just love that man. Next I can get to her. This is about the bill. 36. Matthew and all eight council people, while I was at the Hilo Courthouse Casino Monday, one of the sheriffs came up to me and said, gee, hope, can you find out or find the answer where the $3 million of SARS-CoV-2 money went when Mitch was in rain as the mayor. I said I will make mention of that to the counting people. What happened to the $3 million that was given? Was it spent? Was it taken? Can we have some kind of accounting for that? Wow. Three million dollars. Is that federal money or is that state money? I'm hoping to get an answer. Maybe we can get it through our council person James. I am representing myself and Anti-Hellen Singh, 90-year-old senior kupuna to do anti-gramma a period koala. Thank you and God bless the county of Hawaii. Well, upon a pono council. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your final testifier is in our YM Why may a site can true if you could close it out for us please Thank you, really we have Roy Valera testifying on resolutions 15525 15825 and 16325 Mr. Valera you will have three minutes each agenda item. Please let me know when you transition so we can reset your time. And if you do not clearly transition, then you will have three minutes total. Thank you and please reintroduce yourself before you begin. Hello, his chair and kind of council members. My name is Royland Valera. And this morning I'm representing Dare Hawaii, where I currently serve as the president for this statewide organization. I'm here to testify in support of resolutions 155-25, 158-25 and 163-25 together. These funds are being requested to support and to be used for a dare day celebration, which will be held in East Hawaii in Hilo on Tuesday, May 20th. The purpose of the dare day celebration is to further congratulate and support our youth that have completed a rigorous 10 week dare curriculum in public schools and some in private schools. This specific event on May 20th I will have all types of activities and speakers and lunch and all of these are provided to the students free of charge. I would also like to thank the council members for their support of the West Hawaii dear day, which was held earlier on April 25th, and the funds were used in the same way. Thank you very much for your support. Thank you chair. That is the only testifier we have this morning at your Waimea site. Thank you so much to our testifiers. We actually have one more testifier here in the Heelow Chamber, Captain Vern Haara testifying on Resolution 164-25. Gentlemen, when you're ready, if you could just introduce yourself, you'll have three minutes to provide your testimony. Hi, good morning. Uh, Vern, our captain. TA for the battalion chief for auxiliary services right now. We're justifying for our CFR Freshenichi. Hi, Daniel Wolpe, Deputy Fire Chief, Fire Department. Again, Chief mentioned that's fine going from the continuously relief funds are provided by council member fresh. To my understanding, these funds are going to go towards exercise equipment. Station needs, critical that may not necessarily be able to be purchased otherwise these are funds that are again represent a community involvement and a council involvement but purchased some of this equipment that again the firefighters who use this station as their home as their home away from home and spent so much time there to help them with this needs around the station, mental health, physical fitness, all of that kind of working together together together together together. We are very grateful. Thank you so much for your testimony and with that chair, those are all the testifiers we have at this time. Thank you, Mr. Arsali, bringing it here to corner, start with reports. Is there any additional testimony for GEOAC number 35, Connication 226? Very non-GEOAC 35, Connication 226, nomination of Alexandria Alexi Ares, the Leeward Planning Commission. Motion to close file on communication 226 and confirm the appointment of Alexi-Ares to the Leeward Planning Commission. Moved by Council Member Glimba. Seconded by Council Member Houston. The close file on communication 226 and confirmed the nomination of Alexandria Lexi Air to the Leeward Planning Commission. Any discussion? Council Member V. Agas. Yes, please. Miss Airs, please. I'm just going to yeah, would you be willing, I've approved, if this nomination moves forward, to recuse yourself from any discussion and our decision making as it relates to any of your former or current climate clients who come before the Leaver Planning Commission. Yes. Would you recuse yourself from discussion and or decision making when applications and or agenda items that involve the clients of luxury properties, Hawaii's LLC's? Yes. What is the potential for the team of luxury properties LLC real estate agents to become an indirect influence on the discussions and decision making of the Leaver Planning Commission? I would say none. We are all independent real estate agents and we're brokers. We do our own businesses and we really handle that if let's say someone needs help within Open house or showing a home to a client, but other than that we really understand our clients the fiduciary responsibility to our clients and the public in keeping information, you know, to ourselves and so I don't think there's a chance of that. Okay. Were you at all interested in potentially serving on a CDP action committee before putting forth this application to serve on the Leeward Planning Commission? I wasn't aware that there were that many openings. I just thought with the knowledge that I have with real estate. And also the kind of voice of the working class people just based on age and my demographic of friends and family that the Planning Commission would be the most appropriate. Okay. Do you have any direct representation or working with a number and I'll just list them. These are all subdivisions kind of in process in South Kona. Mono-oni properties. I'll see the Polychai subdivision. I saw the list and no, I do not have any direct relations with the developer or real terms that are listing and you don't have any listings there. No, not in that area. Okay. And then I, that would also pertain to Kona 167 LLC, IDH LLC, the Kona Horizon Subdivision and Kona estates at OPE Halle. No, I do have that. Okay. My last question then relates to, you know, you have this, yeah, as has been and testified to, you know, and I've had some people come to me with their concerns. And part of that is because we don't currently have somebody on the Leeward Planning Commission who is kind of an expert in the cultural aspects and environmental focus. And so in order to support you in this role. I'm wondering if you would be open to and commit to working with our Sierra Club chapter in order to take into consideration their insights, perspectives, the vast amount of information they have about, We don't think South Kona is a wealth of cultural sites, not to mention pristine ecosystems, that some people look at and see it as an opportunity for commodification and commercialization, but that I think deep down we know are vital to the longevity and regenerative nature of our island. So would you be willing to work with and collaborate with and I don't know if mentorship or but to be committed to garnering that information. But to be committed to garnering that information and looking to them for those kind of insights so that you can ensure that you have all the information necessary when you sit in meetings that quite frankly can be very overwhelming and predominantly the people that come to present to you are people paid to convince you to make a certain decision and your common every day working person is working and can't get there or doesn't have access to the legal documents or the historical paperwork or whatnot. So is that something that I personally and professionally in this council and county can rely on you to authentically align yourself with that organization in order for guidance and advice as you navigate what will be the very interesting adventure? Yes, I would be willing to work very closely with the cultural department because like in my work and just as a parent you are not the expert and the whole point is to guard around you people that no more than you do especially in this position to make decisions. I need to I cannot garnish all that knowledge but there definitely will be great people I'm surrounded with to, that I can rely on for that. Thank you. And most specifically, the Sierra Club. Yes? Yes, specifically. Okay. Thank you. I'll be supporting your nomination today. Appreciate your willingness to step into the arena. It's a learn as you go job in so many ways, but I have on from people that I know and trust support and faith in your moral compass and your value system, which I think is really what so much of being a leader and making decisions comes down to. So thank you for enduring my questions and the specifics and I'll be supporting your nomination today. Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, Mono Mahalo, you again for your willingness to serve in terms of, you know, that commitment. I would just advocate, you know, you're not committing to a certain group's perspective, but your commitment here is to have an open mind and open here to all groups who want to reach out, including the group that Councilmember Villagas pointed out. And so we're happy that you're going to be able to serve our community, all those in favor of closing file on communication 2 to 6 and confirming the nomination of Alexandria Alexi air to the Leeward Planning Commission please say aye Any opposed motion carries with Eight eyes one excuse council member Cannelli Eclan Felder the nomination of Alexandria Alexi air to the Leeward Planning Commission is confirmed. Congratulations. Thank you. Is there any testimony for a GAC-36 communication 227? Hearing none, GAC-36, communication 227, nomination of David F. Bruno to the Board of Ethics. Chair, motion to close file and communication 227, nomination of David F. Bruno to the Board of Ethics. Chair, motion to close file and communication 227, confirming the nomination of David Bruno to the Board of Ethics. Moved by Council Member Houston, seconded by Vice Chair Onishi to confirm the nomination of David Bruno to the Board of Ethics and Close File on Communication 2-7. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, nine ayes, the nomination of David Bruno to the Board of Ethics is confirmed. Congratulations. Is there any testimony for GLEC 37? Communication 2-8. Hearing none, GLEC 37. Communication 2-8. Nomination of Dardee M. Gamayo to the Hawaii County Cultural Resources Commission. Chair, motion to close file in communication 2-8. And confirm the nomination of Dardee Gamayo to the Cultural Resources Commission. Move by Council Member Kimbo, second and by Council Member Hustis to close file and communication 2-2-8 and confirm the nomination of Dardy Gamayo to the Cultural Resources Commission. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, nine, aye. The nomination of Dardy Gamol to the Cultural Resource Commission is confirmed. Mahalo Nui and congratulations. Sir Ne Testimony for GEOAC 38, Connecation 229. Very none. GEOAC 38, Connecation 229, nomination of Maya Keh Goudoni to the Public Access Open Space and Natural Resources Preservation Commission. Chair, motion of close file and communication 229 confirm the nomination of Maya Goudoni. Move back on some member of Houston, second head by Vice Chair Onissue to close file on communication 229 and confirm the nomination of Maya Goudoni to the Punk any discussion Seeing none all those in favor please say aye any opposed Motion carries 9 eyes the nomination of Maya Goudoni to the public access open space and natural resources preservation commission has been confirmed Is Is there any testimony for a GLEC 39, Connecation 230? Hearing none, GLEC 39, Connecation 230, nomination of Kim L. Lynn to the real property tax board of review. Chair, motion to approve, nominating Kim Lynn to the real property tax board of review. Well, by Vice Chair Onishi, seconded by Council Member, Kalimba to approve the nomination of Kim Lynn to the real property tax board of review and close file on communication 230, taking it to Hilo, Mr. Alameda. Alo, Nui Chair. Alo, Council Member, Vice Chair Onishi, Chair Naba, thank you for the opportunity. My name is Michael Alameda, Executive Assistant to the Mayor. It is my honor to present to you Communication 230 nominating Kim Lynn of Council District 3 to the real property tax board of review. Ms. Lynn comes to us a proud property owner here in Hilo where she raises her family. She is a 1999 graduate of St. Joseph High School, Go Cardinals. She has a bachelor's of arts in Japanese studies for the University of Hawaii at Hilo. More importantly, she has a strong record of service here on Hawaii Island. She Iain. She currently volunteers as the board secretary for the Kuhi Kahi Mediation Center. She also serves as the board treasurer for the East Hawai'i Cultural Center. Her and her husband are entrepreneurs, and they also give back to our community through different chambers. We are super honored to have Ms. Lynn. I'd just like to say for the record that she came to us wanting to serve. And through the Alameda wedding process, we have, where we believe that the tax board of review would be the perfect match for Ms. Lynn. This board currently barely makes a quorum of five members. There are three. Three of them are male. Majority of them are from West Hawaii. So Ms. Lynn feels a critical seat on this board brings a much needed lens. Bene Ojine, a mother from East Hawaii. We feel it's a great fit and we are very hopeful for her confirmation. Back to you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Alameda. Mrs. Lynn, would you like to make any statement to the council at this time? Before you proceed, my please ask Heelestap. Thank you so much. Mrs. Lynn, would you like to make any statement to the party about your nomination to this board? Aloha council members. My name is Kim Len and I just wanted to thank you so much for this opportunity. I look forward to serving in an equitable fair manner and working alongside my community. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Miss. Lynn was not able to attend the committee meetings. So if there are any discussion, we can take that up at this time. Anyone in Heelow? Yes, Chair. Councilmember Kagiwata. Thank you. I just wanted to ask Ms. Lynn, is you have any, like, why the tax board? What I know that Mr. Alameda said that they kind of saw that as a good fit for you, but what, you know, just would love to hear from you, you know, why the tax board? Absolutely. So one of the reasons why is as I've served as the director of operations of BISOC, and as well as a community member, I've seen the issues surrounding housing, as well as short-term vacation rentals, businesses, and appeals surrounding that. While I'm very new to the process, I'd like to be sure that we continue to have housing available for our communities, and that it is something that is looked at by as many folks as possible. I really love that answer. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Thank you for stepping up and I see you have experience as being a treasurer. You have a lot of broad experience in the community. I know that as well. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'll definitely be supporting. I yield. Thank you for the discussion. Cheri Nava. Council member Kirkowitz. Thank you. I just wanted to lend my support to Mrs. Lynn for this nomination. You know, I've known Kim since we were in high school together. She was a few years ahead of me, but we reconnected after she took on the executive director role at community first. And since then, she has continued to be a mover and shaker in our community. I think your expertise and experience will lend itself really well to the board. But most importantly, you're an excellent listener. You approach situations with a lot of compassion and can facilitate resolution in difficult situations. And those are the soft skills that we need for this board. So 100% in support of your nomination. Thank you for your willingness to serve and being so generous with your time. I know that there's going to be a lot of documents to review and so we're very grateful for you. Thank you, Chair Eilt. Thank you, Ashley. Ialo. So you know, Councilmember Kanye Lee Klein felt there. Thank you. Just for the record, Miss Lina, who is your husband? My husband is Dennis Lynn. Okay, our deputy director of research and development. Yes. Okay. Thank you for stepping up to volunteer for this commission and for being part of the team. Appreciate it. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Seeing no further lights on. All those in favor of closing by along communication 230 and confirming the nomination of Kim Lin to the real property tax board of review. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with nine. I is the nomination of Kim Lin to the real property tax tax board review is confirmed. Congratulations Mrs. Lenn. At this time, transition to resolutions and I will hand the chair over to Vice Chair Onishi. Okay. The chair. Mr. Clark, can you read in resolution one to zero-25? Mr. Ernie Testman for resolution 1-0-25. Hearing none, resolution 1-0-25 authorizes director of finance to enter negotiations with acquisition of lands and or conservation easings for all or portion of any property identified in the public access open space and not your resources preservation commissions. 2024 prioritized list, utilizing the public access open space and not your resources preservation fund. Provise authorization for the director of finance and administration to initiate the acquisition of any or all of the 10 properties identified into 2024 and report of the public access open space and Natural Resources Preservation Commission. Introduced by Council Marine Naba, we have communication 204.9 from Councilor Heather Elk-Kimble, dated E. Pro-24, 2025, transmitting propositions to resolution 120-25. Motion to approve resolution 120-25. came to motion by Chair Inalba, second by Ms. Glimbovitz. Yes, okay. Stay in other? Yes, thank you. Acting Chair Onishi, ask for your continued support in this effort to expedite this process and get some of these properties before the property management division and authorized finance director to be able to negotiate on purchase of the properties or conservation easements over the properties. I'm happy to take any questions if there are any Mahalo. Okay, Mr. Kimbo? Yeah, thank you. It's Deputy Director Kekaya, they're in Hilo. She is here. She's coming up. Thanks. Good morning. Maria Kekaya, Deputy Finance Director. Good morning. Thank you for being here and thank you for putting together the report that's provided in Communication 204.10. Can you just describe the breadth of the ones that are listed as open? I'm sure that not all of those are in some sort of active negotiation, can you clarify what that terminology means? Sure, I mean, that's basically just everything that's on the list that hasn't been purchased or that's not currently in negotiations. There's a few actually I should say, we have three that are in active negotiations right now, but the rest of them are basically just open waiting for either a to be prioritized or for to be re-reviewed kind of to see if they still are in the state that they were when they were put on the list. Okay, are the ones that are inactive negotiations? They're not labeled differently as far as I can tell on this. Are they just... Oh, sorry, go ahead. They are not. Okay, but they're labeled as open as well. That's correct. Okay. Thank you again for putting this together. So as I understand we only have three that are inactive negotiation. I'd like to make this suggestion cherry naba that maybe you and I sit down with this list and do some prioritization cleanup. I like that we have a lot on here but we kind kind of need to figure out what we want to pursue, I think, in a little more detail. I do have an amendment if I may introduce that motion to amend resolution 1, 2, 0, dash 2, 5 with the contents of communication 2, 0, 4.9. Second. Okay. Motion by Ms. Kimbo. Second by Legas. Go ahead, Miss Kimball. Yeah, thank you. As I mentioned in the committee hearing on this, although this only pertains to this year's punk nominations, I do did have concerns about precedent setting and wouldn't want to have us always move the entire list coming from PONC forward and you know similar to our ViVi program Granson 8 where we have a cutoff at basically a C70 percent I think that that's also appropriate with respect to PON properties so this amendment proposes that only those that really received a 70% or greater from the PUNC will automatically be moved forward for negotiation. Again that in this case is just going to mean that one of those on the list that was provided which is the the Coaloco residential park will be excluded from automatically going to negotiation for finance. Thank you. Thank you. The property that would be removed via this amendment is in my district nearby here. I prefer, while I think there are definitely other properties that are a far better use of our punk funds, I wouldn't want to see this property removed. I do have concerns about this amendment, specifically in number four, in that it's saying that 10th clause is being amended, but the language contained there and the amendment is actually amending the 9th clause of the resolution. So I'm not sure that this amendment is proper. So I would advise and ask my colleagues not to support this amendment. Thank you. Okay, any other members in the corner? Sure. On amendment, correct. Okay, Mrs. Justice. Chair, it's not really on the amendment. It's kind of just on the amendment. On the amendment, Chair. Yes. Anybody in Healow? Yes, on the amendment. Okay, yes, on the amendment. Go ahead. Thank you. Yeah, understand that there might be an issue with the exact details around the 10th versus the 9th clause, but I do support overall this amendment. I think we need to draw some lines somewhere and it makes a lot of sense that we look at properties that have been that the Pomp Commission has spent a lot of time delving into and take their ratings to heart and really prioritize those that have gotten the higher ratings by the PONC commission because we won't be seeing these individually come before us. We don't have a chance to weigh in. So I think that this is a fair way to at least know that we're following what the PONC commission has advised by putting a cutoff rate. And I think 70% seems good to me, but I'm happy to discuss if that's not the exact point we should be using. I'll yield for now. Thank you, Chair. Okay. Any others in here? Okay, coming back to the call. It's religious. Yeah You know what an interesting process to be looking at the punk process Very close to my heart based on some phone calls this morning. I I appreciate the nature of this proposed amendment. However, I have some concerns with it So much work goes into it. They have a list that they're supposed to come up with. I have reservations about all the things we do now that are all numerical. I think it's great from a data-driven standpoint, but it doesn't always capture everything. I see it does know harm to include, for instance, this property in Coloco on the list. The process of punk purchases is, you know, they come up with the list. It gets presented to us. We have a chance whether or not we vote on it individually or as a collective. It then goes to the administration to follow up on. Number of the properties aren't even, they don't have willing sellers or there are other issues relating to it, but it gets it on this list to be considered by the administration to move forward. As Deputy Director Kaye pointed out of this whole list we have in front of us only three are currently in potential negotiations. And I have some questions about that process in general because I think we're seeing some hiccups, potential hiccups in the nature of the process. I believe our property management manager, if that's, yeah, double and tundra, is no longer is out for an undisclosed amount of time. So this is a program and project that I hold very close to my heart. And I want to make sure that we are not missing chances to purchase properties that have viable sellers, but I don't see any negative to including properties that may not have made that 70% marker. I also just want to point out that when the whole list comes to us, we have the opportunity to talk about all the properties there. So that's the time for discussion. We're not being denied that opportunity is my point being there. So I have reservations. I don't think I'll be supporting this amendment because I don't want to see something pulled off. Regardless of its numerical standing, it just doesn't do any harm to have it included in the list. And having navigated a number of resolutions, I think six this far in my tenure, in office passing resolutions for punk purchases, and I think two have gone through. So I don't wanna see things removed here, and if anything, I wanna provide more support and advocacy to the administration to follow through, because I think there's $18 million currently in the PONC fund, and there are a number of properties with willing sellers. And this is vital land for us to create for public purpose in perpetuity. So that's my two cents I yield. Okay, this is so, Kim Bo? Yeah, thank you you. First I had a question for the clerk with respect to the error that Cherry Nava pointed out is is that problematic with respect to the adoption of this amendment? Before you do that take personal responsibility for that error note that and then secondarily It is if the council feels it is it's been stated on the record so if the body the chair be the first arbiter whether or not that's a problem I believe and then the body can decide for itself whether or not the document is beyond repair where shouldn't be used due to that flaw a good point. So, I think that's a good point. So, I think that's a good point. So, I think that's a good point. So, I think that's a good point. So, I think that's a good point. So, I think that's a good point. So, I think that's a good point. So, I think that's a good point. But just to follow up real quickly to council member VX maybe think of something that you know just just because This resolution passes the whole bunch from the report to the administration to begin negotiations If we cut the threshold at 70% what I think that it doesn't preclude those that fall below the 70% from being brought forward individually and discussed. And I think that's appropriate. Like if punk is scoring them less than 70%, I think it does warrant the council having a deeper dialogue around that number and some of the qualitative things that may not have been considered by the punk when they establish that number. So, you know, what this does is as far as, again, just for this year, those that have more than 70% automatic go to the administration for negotiation, but anything less than that would have to come as an individual resolution that would allow us to have a deeper discussion about PUNK's concerns that keep it that lower score so thanks. Okay anybody in Hilo? Yeah, Chair if existing state. of the past. I mean the weaknesses and strengths provided by the document in front of us of the resolution this is interesting reading. Yeah I'm not too concerned with the 10th clause, 9th clause, condition, just to Mr. Henry explain. Who's in charge of the administration on the document itself? Ms. K. Kay. Just for the resolution itself, if this were to pass today, it goes to who? Basically, you're authorizing the finance director, so it would come back to finance, but we get our direction from the mayor's administration on which properties to prioritize. Okay, so we pass it, goes to finance, and the man goes to the mayor, mayor decides which ones on the OSU is going to shoot for, with their available funding. That's correct. Okay. Okay, thank you. Okay, are you out there? Okay, thank you. Anyone else in hereol? Okay, if not back to Kona, Ms. Gollimba. Thank you. I think they, I'm in support of the amendment. I think the 70% threshold is appropriate and I think that probably would be a good case even for a higher level since there's many properties and limited funding. But given that we have that 70% cut off on other grant programs, I think that's sort of a good number to go with at this time. I think this is a good opportunity, however, to talk about the PUNC program, which I wanted to do when we get back to the main motion. Okay. Thank you. Okay. If there's no other discussion, I just want to make a comment on this amendment. I would recommend that we move forward how it really is, how in 2024 that they come up with the list. And therefore, anything after like on the next round when they do the committee does school and evaluate properties again, then we do the 70% rating. But for me already did this process they have the list of all the different properties and we just we should just stick with that and not in the last 11 hour we changed the rules so that's my suggestion so Mr. Clerk not hearing or seeing any other we can do a roll call on the amendment on the motion to amend resolution 1 2 0 per communication 204.9 Councilmember Gilemba aye. Councilmember Houston aye. Councilmember Coggy water aye. Councilmember Cotterly Kleinfelder. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentrate. Concentder. Cotalo. Councilmember Kirkowitz. No. Councilmember Kimball. Aye. Councilmember Biagas. This is on the amendment. This is on the amendment. No. Councilmember Inaba? No. Chair by St. Ronishi. No. Councillor Cunley, Klein-Chair Onishi? No. Constable, kindly, Kleinfelder? No. Vice-Chair Onishi, you have four votes in favor. Those being Council members, Gilemba, Houston, Caguata, and Campbell, five opposed, the motion fails. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Okay, so we're back to rooming motion. Any more discussion? I'll be Mr. Gullinba. I think. Please. Thank you. So thank you for, thank you to Deputy Director Kikye for bringing forward this list and providing us with the insight that there are three that are actively being negotiated at this time. I love the Pong program. I think it's done so much good, especially in my district. We've had a really great success rate, and I think partially it's because it's a bargain down there. The amount of land you can get is much greater per acre. And it's also, of course, beautiful and as amazing cultural resources and natural resources. So it's nothing against punk, but I do think that there are ways that would make it a much better, more efficient program that will require some fairly large changes. And because of the way it was, it's, some of it is written into the charter so it may be a very long process. But it would be good for us to begin and support the idea of discussions on the side about it. Perhaps even a big, a good idea, a private interaction group. The model that I think would be really interesting to explore would be the one that's used by the Legacy Land Commission at the state level. So they have a similar program and they get a certain amount of money every year is allocated to this program. They have something like the PUNC Commission, they have a legacy line commission that ranks the applications. The applicants actually have to come in for a set amount of money. And the legacy line commission then looks at that amount, looks at the properties, ranks the properties and establishes a certain amount of money to each project. So it's sort of pay as you go rather than this process where we have this enormous list that some of them probably will never be in negotiation because they're too complex, too expensive, et cetera. And there's also a time limit at the Legacy Line Commission and it's a long time limit, but there is an expiration date so you don't have a list like this that just keeps growing. So I think there's a lot to look at and learn from that particular program and not all of it may be appropriate for a punk, but It's I think a good interesting model for us to look at so thanks nice. Yes, okay, Mr. Houston Thank you councilmember Onishi Deputy director could I have a little bit of your time please. Yes. Thank you. Just a couple things on the microphone seems to be allowed. The list, just, it's a many thing, but the list says pass prioritize report and we haven't yet approved these 10 ones, but they're on, they're on the list. So just a kind of a minor thing there. But I do really appreciate this list because it is eye opening to me to see how many are considered open. So I do have a couple questions for your deputy director on our capacity to go out after some of these parcels that have been prioritized going back to 2007 and some are still remain open. So what is our capacity in finance right now to continue this work? And do we do we have the staff capacity? Do we have, yeah. Thank you, Councilmember. First I just want to clarify, these are all the priority listed properties, right? So some of them have results and some of them don't. What we're doing today is you would basically be giving them all results for them to be authorized for purchase. So this does include all properties that have been put forward by the PONC Commission whether they have a result or not. So the open is basically like they could possibly be purchased. And when I, we talk about capacity, you're basically looking at the PUNC capacity at this point in finance. I have taken over pretty much doing the commission and moving forward negotiations and appraisals and all of that. We are currently when position is out for, so anybody would like to be a property management technician, please apply. Also, we are working on a program manager position for PUNK as well, with knowing that this program continues to grow every year. There is a good amount of money in this program to purchase properties, but yes, our capacity right now is very stretched. And we will continue to recruit. And we will continue to recruit, and we will continue to move this program forward and not let it drop, but I know that there's definitely a lot of people concerned, but we will have a meeting next Monday, so other community members can come out and also provide testimony to the new suggested properties. Thank you, Deputy. I appreciate that and I appreciate the clarification on my first point there because I do now see the last page on the communication, noting the resolutions. It just wasn't clear and nonetheless. So thank you. I appreciate appreciate that. One of the questions I have as well is in the grading process conducted by the commission itself, do they incorporate the availability of the parcel, the willingness of those landowners, and the ease of acquisition, or is it really from a conservation, cultural lens? Are they also including more of that fiscal responsibility and identification for those parcels? Other things you mentioned are included in their criteria as the review parcels. The willingness is one of the points. Okay, thank you. And then there's, you know, there's been some discussion here on the dius about prioritization, the punk, the commission themselves, they, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, the public, understanding on what the commission has done their work, but there's been some other discussion on further prioritization of things. So, and as well as in finance department about how we prioritize things. So, it seems like there are all these different priorities all jumbled together, and I don't know how we really stick to one list of, if this project received 99% whatever it was shouldn't that be the one that we're going for first out of all the 200 other ones I mean that's what I'm kind of curious about if you if you rank them all against each other after all of these grading processes shouldn't we be targeting the ones that have that highest grade based upon? Community review, volunteer review, finance review, mayoral review, that's the one we should be going for first. I think the hard part here is that we're looking at lists from 20 years, right? So we could be looking if we did number one from every year, right? You're still looking at 20 different properties or projects. So I think that's really where it comes really tricky is, yeah, I even asked the creator, the so-called creator of punk kind of what, you know, what the intention was of these long lasting properties that have sat on these lists without being purchased over the 20 years of this program. Like, what are we supposed to do with that? Do you want us to re-rank it? What should go back to the commission? Should it come to the council? So yeah, we don't really have that process currently, but I think it is definitely something that as this list grows, we do need to look at. Also, these properties are now some 15 years later, or do they still have the resources that we were first seen when the PONC commission first reviewed them. So, I mean, there's just so many moving factors at all times, willingness people to sell those kind of things too right you could be a hundred on the list and have a owner that doesn't want to sell so all these things are taken into consideration when we're looking at properties. Thank you Deputy you did answer my last question on and I really really appreciate your thought and attention to this. So thank you. My last thought was kind of about the change that happens for a lot of these projects over that span of time. And how do we review those properties and kind of come back to that? So thank you for spending some time here and answering these questions I have. I'm hallowed. Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, good. Good. Can we move first? Yeah. Just a very quick point of clarification to the maker. I think I may have misheard something here, but this resolution only authorizes the list from 2024, not any that have been previously provided but not authorized. Correct. Okay, just wanted to make sure that that was crystal clear. Thank you. Are you sure? With the ladies? Yes. Well, I like Sarah and Dippittas, Synchronistic Opportunities. I suppose Director Nakagawa, can I ask you to come to the hot seat. I got a call from somebody who works here on the west side who has been an incredible advocate working with large property owners who oftentimes purchase these properties at auction, get them for a steal. All they see is the zoning and it's in Hawaii so they buy it for pennies on the dollar with the intention to flip it, not knowing the history of the property, the sensitivities, whether or not they're cultural or environmental or just overall the community's opposition to development in these places. He's been a great advocate and supporter in educating these land owners of what they would face if they tried to move forward and providing them the other opportunity and speaking with such high regard of this program and the counties due diligence and authentic intention to utilize opportunities when we can purchase these properties to have them preserved in perpetuity for public use. my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong, that once a resolution has passed by council, whether or not this comes as a group, or it comes individually, then it goes to the mayor's office for approval at which time he would give directive to property management to move forward with an appraisal, correct? Good morning, councilmembers. Diane Nakagawa, Finance Department. Yes, that is correct. Okay. And once the appraisal comes back, it's also my understanding that the appraisal, So the current charter prohibits the county from purchasing a property through PONC at any price that's higher than the county's appraisal. Higher than the appraised value. Okay. Is there any protocol established in then what the county offers? I mean, if they come back in low ball, a property owner, and it's even lower than the assessed value that the county otherwise has associated as relevant to that property. Is there any protocol or prior history of what the norm has been? So the process on that has been that, you know, we rely on the expertise of our staff in property management, which I do want to comment a little bit after this, but we rely on the staff to do some due diligence, right? Could do comparable combs to look at the property just to do the evaluations that they normally do and to determine what a good offer would be. So that is left to the expertise of our staff. But they hire in a praser, correct? Yes, we do hire in a praser. But as you mentioned, there is a negotiation process that happens. Right. So they hire the appraiser, the appraiser brings the amount back and then people in property management then essentially bring it to the mayor and director of finance and say, okay, this is what the appraiser was but there's any extenuating circumstances. Based on the information that's presented forward, it's discussed both internally and finance and with the mayor's office and there's a recommendation going forward on what the offer would be. Okay. Is it due practice for what the appraisal for the appraisal findings public record? You know we just had I'm going to ask Corp Council we were just going through that recently so I can I know you're coming from So I would just like to ask if I could get some guidance on the most recent determination that was made. Thank you That's a really helpful. Yeah Oops Thanks Good morning, Q. Your long deputy corporation council. I'm sorry, Mr. question. The question was whether or not the appraisals that come through property management as they relate to punk properties are public record. If not public record, if then the capacity for a council member who represents the district the properties in. So the question is whether the appraisal would be public record and if not to public then whether a council member would be able to receive that information. So my understanding is that under chapter 92 F, when an appraisal is submitted to the department and the acquisition is pending that's not a public document at that time because the decision hasn't yet been made about the purchase. Yes. Okay. I think you know where I'm going with this stand and you probably know the circumstance I'm talking about so I definitely want to follow up on this. I also have spoken to this representative who's advocating for, you know, quite frankly, it's interesting you said land in your district is like such a steal. And I agree for the amount of acreage, but there are a number of properties in District 7 and in West Hawaii and we know that the real estate prices are astronomical. And so I have been remorse, I've been just really saddened by the properties that have slipped through the cracks as opportunities for purchase. And so I will be advocating for moving forward with this in the best way possible, ensuring we don't insult landowners by low-ball offers or whatnot. But I did explain to them what's happening in property management. And I'm sure that puts an extra burden on finance right now in navigating this without having Hamana there. Thank you for your comments. I do want to assure you that every intention is done in the best interest of the county. There is no intention to low ball or do anything that is unfair. We are going based on the information we have and what is right to us at the moment but the intention of course is to be fair and do what's right for our county purchase. I just want to put that out there that is 100% our intention. Okay, great. Well, I'll put in for a meeting and hopefully it can share some more information to ensure the intentionality aligns with potential outcomes so we can get the greatest possible outcome here. Thank you. Thank you so much. I yield. Okay. Anyone in Heal first? Chair, yes. Okay, go ahead. Thank you. Deputy Finance Director, thank you for putting this list together. Maybe everybody knows but me, but are you able to tell me which three properties are actually being worked on now? Sure. The three right now are an I-ho-malu. That's a conservation easement. The other one is Kei Kei-Lani, which is over on the Lee Drive. And the third is Kauai-Nui Makai. The one that he just previously just approved. Thank you. And you said, and I see here you have, you talked about the resolutions, like some have resolutions and some don't have resolutions. So you have some that have resolution numbers. But there are some here that have been put through as a resolution, but it says open under resolution number. So is that, are there two different resolutions that I'm thinking of? One that brings it to council and says that you can go ahead and start negotiating and, and then this resolution number which is something different. These resolution numbers should be the one that allow them to be negotiated. The previous resolution which the, that creates the priority list is not listed here. Okay, so if we have done a resolution for something and it's still listed as open under resolution number, yeah, so basically if you guys, if you should, I should say you guys, if the council has not brought forth the property, you know, after the priority list is approved. Right. And then, you know, like, if you haven't brought forward a result to open negotiations, then there is no result in. Okay, I'll follow up with you on the one that I think. We may have missed it. It's very possible. There's 98 possibilities, but yes. Okay, yeah. And I'm wondering and I don't know if you're the right person to ask, or just maybe it's a general discussion, if maybe like every 10 years or so, we ask PONC to look at this entire list, and kind of just take a quick look, read through all the, you know, the paperwork, and just kind of weed out the ones that are no longer really possibilities. I know you probably have a sense of that, yourselves, but it's just so hard for us to know and for the public to know. And especially if we, since it looks like we're going to continue doing these blanket resolutions for large numbers of property, so we won't be able to be following them individually necessarily, unless we have, take a particular interest and do that on our own. But as a body, we won't be doing that. So I'm just wondering, is there something like that that you or somebody that's been involved in this process might consider that we look at? Is that something you've been talked about? It's always kind of something that we talk about. I think it is a commission function. I think that there's the body to do it. I don't know that there's a mechanism for it right now. It might need me to be code change or a rule change. We'd have to discuss that. But I think there definitely is value in re-evaluing the properties that have just been sitting on the list and seeing where they should be in now at this time. Yeah, I'm even thinking, kind of they do the rankings per year of the new properties that come in, but kind of ranking as a whole,'s in the big pot almost so that it would help you guys focus on which direction to go and I would think. Yeah, I mean there's definitely a lot of moving pieces to that. I mean it's you know you're also looking at at different commissions with different points of view over time too so then you'd kind of be putting them all into one commission's hands. But I mean I think it's definitely we continue that conversation and just how do we best manage this list and how do we make sure that we're pursuing the properties that are in the best in just the county. Okay. So and please just refresh my memory. Do we get anything from you guys as far as where you are in the process with these, like this list, on a regular basis? I do not believe besides this list that gets updated on the actual website. I don't think we've got it. Okay. So it's just on the website, but we don't have you guys come before us and have a discussion about it every so often or anything like that. Not to my memory, but also I've only been in finance for you know. I think there's some good possibilities to maybe make this a little more streamlined and amenable. And I liked some of you're familiar with that. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that. to purchase some properties and conservation easements that they put money in, but besides that, I'm not familiar. Okay, great. All right, well thank you for your work on this. And yeah, look forward to seeing how we can make this great program better. I yield. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Kaguya. Mr. Kainfelder, go ahead. Thank you, Chair. Maria, can you remind me how this resolution is different than our normal process? Mr. Anderson, can you remind me how does resolution is different than our normal process? Mr. Anderson, I remember from our last year. Yeah, of course. So last year, for our agency, previous years, you would just approve the priority list, which is the one that comes from the commission to the mayor, then for it to you all, which has the 10 properties as it is now. And then council members would bring forth, you know, one property at a time instead of doing all properties at one time. Okay, so the the priority list matches what we have in front of us today with the resolution 12025. Yeah, 10 properties, yes. So this is basically the same process. We've just stopped any more additions. No, you're basically not doing them one at a time. So instead of doing, so you guys actually previously did Coin Weemokai that is on this list. So that was the old way, right? You just bring one property to time. We think this is the most important one at this time. So we're gonna authorize this one for negotiations. Instead, this condenses all of that. And just says, okay, we're gonna authorize all of these properties for negotiations at one time. Okay, and these are the only properties we're now looking at. Or we're looking at the entire prioritized list that has existed that we've been talking about. is calling you out about it. My understanding and chair, you know, can confirm but is that it's just for this 2024 list. So the 10 properties. So 2024 available punk funding will only look at these properties that we've listed in this resolution? No, so we can look at all properties that previously had a resolution and then add these to that bunch. So this just adds them to the big list. Yeah. Yes. So you start to run to the whole list. Yes, all the ones that have a resolution, not all of them do. If you look at the last page that on the report I provided, there's still a good 39 projects that don't have a resolution. So yes, I think we would be looking probably about 30 properties now. So there's no guarantee any one of these will be picked Yeah, well, there's no guarantee the property transactions as it is right. Yeah. Yeah Is there Was there ever a document provided to the council that shows how much available funding there is and what the total property values in the list would equate to? I mean, you guys get the balance of the punk fund every year in the budget, but I don't know that we've ever valued all the properties on the list. Which gives us just the reality of, we have 20 million, there's $149 a property on the list, we're not gonna pick all of them. Yeah. Yeah, obviously. Okay. So we don't get something like that. No, I mean, we probably could work with property management to just get the assessed values, but to get market or appraisal values, we'd have to order appraisals for everyone and that probably not be a good idea to run that much money out right now. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Kickai. I yield, too. Okay. Thank you. Ms. Kirkcois, do you have anything? No, okay. Thank you. Okay. we'll go to use this. Oh, before this, we'll go to Mr. Navu, so you can kind of clarify. Yeah, I just want to make sure that the record is straight. We don't approve a list. We receive the list from the mayor, which he receives from the PUNC commission. So once we receive it, then it's up to in previous years individual council members to introduce a resolution typically for properties within their district and in this case as Mr. Coneyley Kleinfelder asked, we are just condensing it into one instead of having potentially 10 separate resolutions on the council agenda. But I think we've had a good discussion, and then we can perhaps get to the vote at this point if there's process questions. I'm not sure that that's specifically relevant to this resolution before us. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Okay. Mr. Husses Who's just close it up. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that comment. Terry Naba. I just had a question on some of the costs because I'm just looking at the numbers. We have about 25 million in the punk fund right now. I haven't seen any. This is a concern. I haven't seen any major purchases. We have a huge list of projects that the community's wanting to go after and needs our support, but we haven't made any major purchases in the last year. So just expressing that concern. And the only other question I had, a deputy was on the appraisals. If all this time has passed on them, we've appraised properties. Have we had to go back and re-appraise them as well? Yes. We only hold an appraisal for a year and after a year, we get into appraisal. Thank you very much. Thank you, Chair. Just Kimbo. Thank you. You can close it up now. Yeah, I just want to lend my support just based on the conversation we've had thus far on setting up a ad hoc to look at this process in a little more depth and potentially proposed changes so that we have some greater efficiency and greater clarity. I think a lot of stuff has been pointed out that's well-intentioned and to James Councilman Bryus' most recent point, I have some concerns about us continuing to acquire properties and having to do the stewardship and management and not accounting for that as well. So, whomever has the ability to put the ATO together with Macchelle. That would be a part of the conversation that they asked to see too. But thank you. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Clerk. Let's do a roll call. On the motion to adopt Resolution 120, Councilmember Galimba. No. Councilmember Houston. All right. Councilmember Coguata. No. Councilmember Connelly E. Kleinfelder. Aye. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Aye. Councilmember Campbell. No. Councilmember Villegas. Aye. Councilmember Inaba. Aye. Vice Chair Onishi. Aye. Vice Chair Onishi, you have six votes in favor. Council members, Gilemba, Kagiwata and Kimbo opposed the motion carries. Okay. Resolution 120 is adopted. Okay. Thank you. And now for the record, I'll be changing. So, I'll be changing the chair back to Chair Inaba. Thank you, Vice Chair On Onishi Resolution 121, please. Is there any testimony, the additional testimony for Resolution 121-25? Hearing none, Resolution 121-25 authorizes the mayor to enter an agreement with the University of Hawaii Office of Research Services, funds the amount of $25,000 in Department of Research and Development we've used to conduct Go Farm Ho A, the University's comprehensive agricultural education program introduced by a customer cogawattabuy request, the Communication 208.2 from Research and Development, Deputy Director Dennis Lin, dated April 25, 2025, transmitting additional information regarding the Go Farm Ho A program. Motion to approve. Oh, go ahead. Thank you. Chair motion to approve resolution 121-25. Moved by Councilmember Caguata. Seconded by Councilmember Kalimba to approve resolution 121-25. Councilmember Caguata. Yes, we do have Deputy Director Lim here in the Healow Chambers. Would you like to come forward and just share a little bit about this resolution, but also the additional information you provided? Thank you. Good morning, Councilmembers. Dennis Lynn, Deputy Director for R&D. Just wanted to thank you, Councilmembers, our opportunity to provide extra information, especially some of the questions that Councilmember Onishi and Councilmember Kirkowitz asked for. So we did have a response from the University of Hawaii at Manoa cropative extension, college of tropical agriculture and human resource or CTAR. So all of you should have received that communication with some of the statistics and some of the impact that this program does provide not just for our island but across the state. So I happy to have answer any questions for that you may have. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. I yield so that other council members may ask questions. Thank you, any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of approving resolution 1-2-5, d.c.i. Any opposed? Motion carries, 9-i Resolution 121-25 is approved. There's only a test on only for Resolution 122-25. Hearing none. Resolution 122-25 authorize the payment of funds of a later fiscal year and more than 1 fiscal year from out to your agreement. For fixed route transit operations for the mass transit agency authorizes the mayor to into a three year agreement with two renewal option years for selected contacted by vehicle strivers management personnel to spatching maintenance and other ansley services to operate an island wide public transportation system introduced by consular economy Kleinvader by request. There are motion to approve resolution 1-2-2-5. Mr. Chair, second. Moved by Council Member Cunnelly. Kleinfeld, seconded by Council Member Gilemba to approve resolution 122-25. Any discussion? Seeing and hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine, aye. Resolution 12 2, 5 is approved. Mr. Clerk, bill 39, draft 2, please. Is there any testimony for bill 39, draft 2? Hearing none bill 39, draft 2, amendments chapter 19, Article 1, section 19, dash 2, and Article 7, section 19, dash 53. Other way, County Code 1983, 2016 edition as amended, related to the affordable rental housing, real public tax classification, repeals the definition of affordable rental housing, amendments the definition of affordable rental rate, and amendments, subsection H eligibility, for affordable rental housing class. Introduced by Councilmember Keenava. I'm passing over the chair to Vice Chair Onision at this time. Okay Mr. Clerk, can you show the in the record? Okay. Say in a moment. Yes, motion to approve Bill 39, drive to it for three. I'm sorry. Can I have a second? Is that the second? Okay. Motion by Mr. Keenava. second by Ms. Glimbaanba, go ahead Mr. Inaba. Thank you. I think we had some pretty good discussion around this bill in committee. The real property tax division was able to ascertain how many properties are currently at max rent. So there are 112 rental units that are currently currently the max rent allowed by the affordable rental program. That is 4.39% of all properties in the program. And those are pretty much distributed around the island. So as for my colleagues continued support, again Again, this would help to reduce similar to a bill that we discussed yesterday. Reduce work on the real property tax division as any of the properties that are in the Section 8 program would be provided to finance, I mean, yes, to real property tax division, to allow them to be a part of this program. And Master and my colleagues support, happy to take any further questions, Mahalo. OK, Mr. Glyba? Yes. Thank you. I think we did have a good conversation. And a big part of that was sort of the two sides of the island having very different sort of rental property markets. And I think that is a very interesting part of our island. It causes us a lot of consternation. But after considering it, I do think the 80% is a good number to go with at this time. It keeps it very simple and provides a lot of incentive to get into the affordable housing program, which I think we can all agree is something that we want to happen to be in support of this as it currently is. Thanks. Okay. Any other members in corner? If not anyone in Kilo? Yes, please, Chair. Okay, go ahead. Thank you. So one of the things that I asked for last time is that we get information about what the market rates are on the east side and the west side so that we could kind of look at what the gap is between the market rate and what these new 80% affordable rates might be. So I don't see that here. Did I miss it? Did it? Am I missing it? Is that information provided? You are not missing it, Council Member Caguata. It was supposed to be submitted and I believe it is not in the system. Real property sorry the Office of Housing and Community Development did send it over to my office. It wouldn't have been provided in the format of the previous information. However, because each of the zip codes on our island have their own market rate. So... format of the previous information, however, because each of the zip codes on our island have their own market rate. So I'm sorry that I don't have that. I'll double check with my office where it is, but it wouldn't be able to be provided in the same format because it's not the data isn't provided in that format. It's provided by zip code. Okay, sure, but we could then look at as it code on the east side and at as it code on the west side and see where those compare to the proposed affordable rates. If we have information to the council. Could we maybe table this until we have that information in front of us? Would you be okay? Yes. Okay. Can I have a motion then on the table on bill 39? I move to table bill 39. Okay. Until later in the session. We have the information. Yes. Just table is fine. When it becomes available, then it comes where it could make a motion to take it off the table at that. Or erred any other time too. So table is sufficient. Okay. Can I have a second? Second. So motion by Ms. Glimba second by Ms. Kimball. All are here to say aye. All those opposed. Nine nice. So bill 39 is table. I'll turn the chair back over to Chair Nava. Thank you Apala Chai's for that. Our office is working on it right now. With that, we will proceed to the next order of business, bill 40. Is there any testimony for bill 4040? Mary Nunn, bill 40, amend section 25-8-33. City of Helios Zomap, Article 8. Chapter 25 of the White County Code 1983, 2016 edition as amended by change the zone map classification from agricultural 10 acres to agricultural five acres upon a Hila Hila, Hawaii covered by tax map key 2204013 portion, applicant Hulu, the Hui area, approximately 12.043 acres. The Wind Replenning Commission forwards a failed recommendation for the sequester change zone, which allow the applicant to subway the property that currently houses school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school, school Street introduced by Council Member Kimbo by request. Chair motion to approve Bill 40 at first reading. Second. Moved by Council Member Kimbo. Seconded by Council Member Gilemba, to approve Bill 40 at first reading. Move by Council Member Kimbo. Seconded by Council Member Gilemba. To approve Bill 40 at first reading and for the discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, 9 ayes. Bill 40 is approved at first reading. Those are any testimony for Bill 41. Hearing none, Bill 41, amend orders number 2432 as amended operating budget for the count of a way. For the fiscal need you in 30 2025, it decreases the appropriation of the transfer to housing fund account, $451,021. And appropriate is saying to the home program income repayment account, introduced by customer kindly client-belder by request. Chair, motion to adopt bill 41 at first reading. Moved by Councilmember Cunnelly, client-fother, seconded by Councilmember Houston. Any discussion? Councilmember Cunnelly, client-fother, no? All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, nine ayes. Bill 41 has approved that first reading. Is there any testimony for Bill 42? Hearing none, Bill 42 amendments on the number 2432 as amended, the operating budget for the Conte VoE. For the fiscal in June 30, 2025, the increases of the interest other federal accounts, $660,000 and the purposes of the emergency rent assistance to COVID-19 accounts, $600,000, Hoi Island Landlord-slash-10-mediation account, $10,000, and 2021, Hoi Island Homeowners Assistance Program Administration account, $50,000, introduced by a customer, Connolly Climb Builder by request. Chair, I'm motion to approve Bill 42 at fresh reading. move back, Council Member Coney, I need to climb further. Seconded by Council Member Houston. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, nine, aye. Bill 42 has approved that first reading. On to order the day, bills up for second and final reading. Is there any testimony for bill 21 draft two? Hearing none, bill 21 draft two is chapter two, article 15 of the White County Code, 1983, 2016 edition as amended relating to nepotism. As provisions and definitions consistent with standards set forth in section 84 to 13.2, other aid by statutes which are intended to provide for fair and impartial hiring personnel and contracting practices within the workplace. Introduced by Council Member Campbell, first reading was April 16, 2025, and communication 91.3 from Council Member Heather Elkimble dated April 24, 2025 transmits an opinion from the Board of Ethics regarding Bill 21 draft 2. Chair, motion to adopt Bill 21 draft 2 at second and final reading. Move by Council Member Kimbo, second and by Council Member Glembel to approve Bill 21 draft 2 at second and final reading Council Member Kimbo. Yes, we've had pretty in depth discussions about this. Glad that we had the final formal approval from the Board of Ethics, which is there in your packet. Just ask for my colleagues' continued support, Mahlo. Thank you. All those in favor of approving Bill 21, draft two at second and final reading, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, nine, aye's. Bill 21, draft two iset, second and final reading. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine, aye's. Bill 21, Dr. Tewet is approved as second and final reading. Is there any testimony for Bill 36? Hearing none, Bill 36 adopts a paid plan for persons employed by the county, other than those who pay as otherwise provided for designating payroll periods, pay days, prescribing requirements with respect to official fidelity bonds, and repeals ordinance number 24-28, and all amendments there to set ordinance being known as a salary ordinance of 2025. Established rates of compensation for appointed employees and legislative branch and the Office of Housing Community Development, the county physician, student helpers, and senior community service aids for various county agencies and incorporates updates to minimum wage positions and introduced by Connelly Kleinfelder by request. And first reading was April 16, 2025. Chair, I'm motion to adopt Bill 36. Move back, Council Member Connelly Kleinfelder and seconded by Council Member Houston's any discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor of approving Bill 36 at second and final reading, they say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, eight ayes, one excuse, council member Kimbo. Is there any testimony for Bill 37? Hearing none, Bill 37 amends orders number 2432 as amended, operating budget for the content. the County. Funds will be used to pay for temporary hazard pay for all covered employees for work performed during the COVID-19 pandemic from March 2020 to March 2022. And to this by consular kindly client-father by request first reading in Pro 16 2025. Chair, I motion to adopt Bill 37. Moved by Councilmember Connelly, client-father, second and vice chair Onishi, any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, ayes, one, excuse. Bill 37 is approved that second and final reading. Chair further record, the excuse member is Councilmember Kimbo? Yes, thank you. Apologies, no problem. Is there any testimony for Bill 43? Hearing none, Bill 43 abends orders number 2340, which amends orders number 22125, which authorize the marriage into an intergovernment agreement for state water pollution control revolving fund loan for wastewater public improvement projects and authorizes the issuance of $17 million of general obligation bonds for the purpose of financing qualified wastewater public improvements of the Contevoi. Increases the amount of funds for the Hilo Ways Water treatment plan reableted to the teaching project from $17 million to $52 million. Introduced by Constable Connolly Clientful to buy requests for its reading was April 16, 2025. And this requires two-thirds vote in time membership to pass. Chair motion to adopt bill 43. 43. We'll be back Council Member Coney Lee, Klein, Fathers, again, by Council Member Hussis. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Eight aye. One excuse. Council Member Kimbo. bill 43 is approved at second and final reading. At this time we will begin to attack our 25 resolutions for CRF. This is your new testimony for resolution 143-25. Hearing none, resolution 143-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. And credit same to a designated fund account by the grant to domestic violence, hurts animals and people for two main education initiative transfers. $2,055 from the court council services continuously for council district 8 and credits the ANMA control of protection agency account introduced by council and renaval. Motion to approve resolution 143-25. Moved by Council Member Galimba. Seconded by Vice Chair Onishi to approve resolution 143-25. As for my colleagues, support on this resolution. Yes, all those in favour? Please say aye. any opposed? Motion carries with eight ayes, one excuse, council member Kimbo. Is there any testimony for position one for four dash two five? Hearing none, resolution one for four dash two five, transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. And it could have seen to a designated fund account with a grant to Iqai Ma'al Loa youth foundation to assist with expenses for the Cornell Gold Boxing Club's Teach to Reach initiative transfers $8,000 from the court council services Continuously for Council District 8 and credits the Department of Liberal Control for the firm's account introduced by council member Inaba Motion to approve resolution one one one four four dash two. Oh, bye, Vice Chair Onishi. Seconded by Councilmember Houston. This is my resolution as well, asking for my colleagues' support in supporting one of our only boxing facilities here on the west side. And they work with youth in our community to provide a safe recreationalational extracurricular activity to keep them off the streets so asking for your support all those in favor of approving resolution 1444-25 be say aye any opposed Confirming council member Coneyd Eclinfe out of the room. Yes, he exited the room. Thank you, Aiden Faefer, one excuse, Councilmember Conelli-Ekline-Fellers, Resolution 144-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for Resolution 146-25? Hearing none, Resolution 146-25 transfers appropriate in appropriation, Alphamadecine, it's a fun account, It's saying to a designated final concert, a grants a special Olympics Hawaii, incorporated to assist with expenses for the West Hawaii Regional Softball Tournament, just for $5,000 or crore-com. from a designated fund account, could it say, into a designated fund account but a grant to special Olympics Hawaii incorporated to assist with expenses for the West Hawaii Regional Softball Tournament, just for $5,000, or clerk council services, contingency relief account, Consistricht eight, and credits to the part of the clerk control for the purpose account, issues by councilor Rihanna. Washington, to approve resolution 146-25. Moved by Vice Chair Onishi, seconded by Council Member Houston. As for my colleague's support, this event creates a tournament here in West Hawaii for our special Olympic community. And you can see any of the associated expenses as an exhibit to the resolution with that. All those in favor of approving resolution 146-25. They say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with eight I's one excuse councilmember Connelly Eklangfelder. Resolution 146-25 is approved. Certainly, testimony for resolution 147-25. Hearing none, resolution 1, 4.7-25, transfers appropriates an appropriation on from a designated fund account, credit sink to a designated fund account by the grant to Healow Bayfront Trails to purchase a device that counts pedestrians and cyclists. Transfer $5,000, or clerk-concil services, contingently if account consturs are two, and credits the Department of Parks and Recreation, administration of the current expenses account, and reduced by customer Coguata. Chair, motion to approve resolution 147-25. Thank you councilmember Kagiwata with the motion second by vice chair Onishi to approve resolution 147-25 councilmember Kagiwata. Thank you chair. Yeah just is a really cool project. This eco counter will count people as they go by and note if their pedestrians are cyclists. And this can just really help if new programs are instituted to know what the uptick in cycling or walking is. It can also help with managing the trail and figuring out and possibly applying for additional funds, outside funds to add things to the trail. And another very interesting thing is it can be moved so we can they can use it in one section of the trail and then move it to another section in another time if they want to get specific information. So looking for everybody's support. Thank you. Thank you, all those in favor of approving resolution 147-25. Do you say aye? Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine of the testing of the testing of the testing of the testing of the testing of the testing of the testing of the testing of the testing of the as well as the current issues. call a call apart. Transfer $6,500 of per council services continuously relief account, councilor stood two and credits the part of parks and recreation, administration of the current expenses account, introduced by councilor Kagiwata. Motion to approve resolution 148-25. Moved by council member Kagiwata. Second by Vice Chair Onishi. Council member Kagiwata. Thank you so much. Yeah, this is working with the Rotary Club. Going to install a granite piece pole in Kalakawa Park, and it will be done in early August to mark the 80th anniversary of the bombings in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. So working with the community to figure out, working with the mayor's office, the Rotary Club, and potentially sister cities to figure out the best timing on that. I'll let you all know when we know the date, but really important, Marker, to think about peace in our communities around that time. Thank you so much. Looking for your support. Thank you. Seeing no further lights on. All those in favor of approving resolution 148-25. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 9-Eyes. Resolution 148-25 is approved. very testimony eyes resolution 148-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 149-25? Hearing none, resolution 149-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. Could it say into a designated fund account but a grant to Hawaii International Science Experience to assist with expenses relating to its five day science excursion around Hawaii Island. Transfer $7,750 on per council services, contingency relief account, Constructed 2, and credits to part liquor control for the program's account introduced by Concentration of Baconsumber Coguata. Motion to approve resolution 149-25. Moved by Concentration of Baconsumber Coguata, seconded by Concentration of Baconsumber Houston. Consum member Kaguata. Thank you. I was approached by the young people of highs. Heal high seniors and juniors as well as Waikia high school seniors and juniors. They've participated as a group for the past several years going to Japan to do these really intense science and cultural exchange experiences and this time they really would like to host other people coming to our island to learn about what the way we do things here on our island. So I was very happy to be approached and happy to support this effort. Yeah, looking for everybody's support. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 149-25. They say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with nine eyes. Resolution 149-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 150-25? Hearing none, resolution 150-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation now from a designated fund account, credit's aimed to a designated fund accounts with a grant to Hawaii Island adult care for its positive approach to care training program. Transfer is $5,000, that will occur council services, continue to leave the council, council is to and credits the Office of Aging, other current expenses account and choose to pay council member Coguata. Chair, motion to approve resolution 150-25. Moved by council member Coguata, second hand, by council member Hustis, council member Coguata. Thank you so much. Yeah, this is a program that our Hayak Hawaii Island adult care has been doing. It's been very popular with the community. In fact, their next training is today, but all the spaces have been filled up, so this funding is going to allow them to do another training and opportunity on June 4th so you can contact Hayak if you're interested in getting involved but it's really great program and it's really supported home caregivers, people caring for their relatives and loved ones at home to give them clear guidance and ideas for supporting their loved ones at home. And it's been a real game changer for some people. So happy to support this and looking for all my colleagues support. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor of approving Resolution 150-25. Do you say aye? Any opposed? Motion carries with nine aye's resolution 150-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 151-25? Very none. Resolution 151-25 transfer is appropriated in appropriation of a designated fund account. Credit scene to a designated fund account. Credit grant to YWCA of Y. Island for expenses related to developmental preschool. Transfer is $10,000, or per council services continues to leave the council's two. And credits to part of the control for the crew's account, introduced by councilmember Caguata. Chair, motion to approve resolution 151-25. Move back councilmember Caguata. Second, I invite councilmember Hustis. Councilmember Caguata. Thank you. Just helping to support our developmental preschool here in Hilo, with making sure that their students are fed. They got some of their funding cut around food for their preschool. And I wanted to support that effort. As we know, young children especially cannot learn and develop if they do not have nutritious food. So happy to be able to do this and looking for all your support. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 151-25. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with nine ayes. Resolution 151-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 152-25? Hearing none, resolution 152-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. Could it aimed to a designated fund account with a grant to hospice of healo for its 21st annual celebration of life, transfers $3,000. The clerk council services contingency leave account, council district 2, and credits to the part of the control public programs account, introduced by council member Kadiwada. Chair, motion to approve resolution 152-2-5. Move back, Councilmember Coguato, seconded by Councilmember Houston, to approve resolution 152-25. Councilmember Coguato. Thank you. Just supporting this annual celebration of life put on by the Hospice of Hilo this year it will be May 25th down at the Bay and at Reeds Bay. This is an opportunity for the community to come out and remember and pay tribute to loved ones that they've lost. And it is a very wonderful community event. And I hope that those who have lost somebody and want to mark that in some way can join the event this year. Thank you looking for all your support. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 152-25. They say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with 9. $1.152-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 153-25? Hearing none, resolution 152-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 153-25? Hearing none, resolution 153-25 transfer is appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. And credit is aimed to a designated fund account, but a grant to the Waikia High School Parent Teacher Student Association for the 2025 Waikia High School Project Ratnet transfers $2,000 of the council services continuously leave the council district five and credits the public control by the court and is a council member Connie Lee Klein-Felder. Chair, I'm actually I need to accuse myself from this vote. My daughter is an graduating class. Mr. Connie Lee, your client builder, you introduced this measure. So if there is a, I don't think there's a concern because there's a bunch of students also graduating, so if you would like to make the motion, please, and take a vote on it as well. Chair, I'll make the motion to adopt resolution 153-25. by Council Member Kirkowitz, seconded by Council Member Gallemba to approve resolution 153-25. Move by Councilmember Kirkowitz. Seconded by Councilmember Galimba to approve resolution 153-25. Councilmember Coneyley Kleinfelder. Thank you, Chair. Again, recuse it myself as she is graduating this year. It's my baby, she's 18th. But as a whole, the way I get high school, I just like to add my hand as do all of us to any of our graduating classes. So hope that it all goes well and the congratulations to all of our graduating seniors at Waikia High School. Thank you. I'm gonna call on the clerk for a procedural matter here. I just want to ask for a quick recess to confer with the chair. Thank you. We're in recess until 1110. Aloha, it is 1112 calling this meeting back to order. We are on resolution 153-25 and we are ready to take the vote. All those in favour of approving resolution 153-25, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with 9-I's, resolution 153-25. Sorry, 8-I's, one excuse, Councilmember V.A. guess resolution one five three dash two five is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution one five four dash two five. Hearing none resolution one five four dash two five transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. Credit saying to a designated fund account to the grant grant to NAPU La Pula Incorporated for expenses relating to the KAL Family Funday. Just $5,000, their council services contingency of the council, constituted five, and credits to the Department of the Courtauld Public Provinces Account, introduced by Council member Connelly, Klein-Beller. Chair, motion to approve resolution 154-25. moved by Council Member Cunningly, Klein, Feathers, Seconded by Council Member Houston, to approve resolution 154-25. Moved by Councilmember Conelli, Kleinfeld, Secondary Councilmember Houston, to approve resolution 154-25. Councilmember Conelli, Kleinfeld, thank you, Chair. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate this organization. This is the second, or maybe third year they've done this now, at the Shipman Park in Stacey and his Ohana that the Drenesky Oana really does a tremendous tremendous job putting on an Easter egg kind of family fun day at the park water slides events I mean just beautiful music the whole thing so I really really really appreciate them and they just got their non-profit together so this is not pull up with a incorporated can. Can't say enough about the organization or the end parks and rec for participating in helping making all this happen, so does look for everyone's support, Mahalo. All those in favor of approving resolution 154-25, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, eight aye's, one excuse, council member V8, yes Yes resolution 154-25 is approved. Is there any testimony? Resolution 155-25. Hearing none resolution 155-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated front account and credits aimed to a designated front account but a grant to dare Hawaii to assist with expensive living to his 2025 dare day celebration event in East Hawaii transfers $2,000 and the clerk council services continuously to the council district five and credits to part liquor control but the program's account introduced by councilmember kindly fine-fellar. Chair motion to approve resolution 1555-25. Second. Moe by council member, kindly kindly thank you. Secondeded by councilmember Houston to approve resolution 155-25 councilmember Coneyley Klein-Felder Look for everyone's support. Thank you Thank you all those in favor. Oh, sorry councilmember Houston. Go ahead. Thanks. Sure. I just want to Mahalo my colleagues for supporting dare day and I want to thank captain Roy Valera for his testimony over today and the work that they've done with our students across island. Myself as well as Councilman Raviegas had opportunity to attend the West Hawaii Darede celebration and it was a fantastic event. I mean, there were 500 students there. We definitely need to support them with their school resource officers, because I think we were missing on Cali-Key that day. But... there were 500 students there. We definitely need to support them with their school resource officers, because I think we were missing on Cali-Key that day. But it was quite an event and the energy put on and displayed by our police departments and the partners with Der Hoi was quite fabulous. So, moral for all your support. Thank you, Councilmember. Use this. And yes, this event is happening May 20th at the Kawamoto Swim Pool in Hilo. So all those in favor of approving resolution 155-25, they say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, nine, aye. Resolution 155-25 is approved. Sorry, testimony for resolution 156-25. Hearing none, resolution 156-25, transfers appropriates an appropriation out and from a designated front account, crane credits same to a designated front account by the Grand II La La Kaya Foundation to assist with expenses relating to its Hila Ola event. Transfer is $3,000 or Quirk Council Services continues to be for Council District 5 and credits to part research and development, tourism promotion account. Introduce big Council Member Connolly, Kleinfelder. Chair, I'm motion to approve Resolution 156-25. Move back Council Member Connolly, Kleinfelder. Seconded by Council Member Houston. Super resolution 156-25. Council Member Connolly, Kleinfelder. Hello, everyone. Support. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine ayes. Resolution 156-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 157-25? Hearing none, resolution 157-, transfer is appropriated in appropriation out from a designated fund account, critzane to a designated fund account to grant to Pauaku, Pelemaca, for its Paubevi, Ica, New York, summer camp transfers $4,345. And per council services, contingent leave account, council district 4, and credits the Public Public Control Public Problems account introduced by Consumere Kirkowitz. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 157-25. Move by Consumere member Kirkowitz. Seconded by Consumere member Houston. To adopt resolution 157-25, Consumere member Kirkowitz. Thank you. I just want to move on to Leila Kialoha, our community partner executive director of Polhaku Pelemaka for hosting the summer learning programs. They are meant to connect Kiki with Kupuna. This year's focus is on new or coconut and the multitude of uses. So Kiki will learn from Kupuna how to use and care for new. Looking for everyone support, mahala, I yield. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 157-25. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine ayes. Resolution 157-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 158-25? Hearing none, resolution 158-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated front account. And credit same to a designated front account, but it grant to dare Hawaii for the 2025 dare day celebration at East Hawaii. Transfer is $2,000, and the clerk council services condense the relief account, Councillor Stukford, and credit is department control public problems account introduced by councilman Kirkowitz. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 158-25. Move back, Council Member Curcuit. Seconded by Council Member Houston. To approve resolution 158-25, Council Member Curcuit. Thank you. I'm just joining my colleagues in supporting this important event for our youth and special thanks to our police department for helping to host this special day. I yield. Thank you all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries nine eyes resolution 158-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 159-25? Hearing none resolution 159-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation now from a designated fund account. Crit saying to a designated fund account, I'd grant to the Puna Rising Ohano for its Puna StoryWorks project. Transfer $7,425 in the clerk council services, continues to relieve account, constitutional four, and credits to the part research and development business development account, introduced by councilman Kirkowitz. Chair, motion to approve resolution 159-25. Moved by customer curcuit, seconded by customer Houston, to adopt resolution 159-25, customer curcuit. Thank you, Chair. Special thanks goes out to Robert Golden, as well as Maya Dolena and Kai Manor. They have been hosting a number of workshops to help individuals in community learn how to start or scale up a business. These have been very successful, so they are going to be taking these trainings and putting them into online modules. So this CRF will be supporting that so that this kind of learning is available to a broader audience here on Hawaii Island. Looking everyone's support. Thank you I yield. Thank you all those in favor of approving resolution 159-25. Please say aye. Any opposed motion carries 9 eyes resolution 159-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 160-25?, resolution 1 6 0-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out and from a designated fund account and credits same to a designated fund account but it grant to the friends of the palisciator for the 2025 Easter extravaganza transfers $2,500 from the clerk council services continuously if account, constructors are 4 and credits to public control,, Public Robins account, and choose by Councillor Kirkowitz. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 160-25. Move back, Council Member Kirkowitz, seconded by Council Member Houston, to approve resolution 160-25, Council Member Kirkowitz. We are so lucky to have a number of community partners who step up to fill in a gap. Councilmember Kanali-Ekrain-Felder talked about the Jarneski Ohana stepping up to do something in K.A.L. And I think K.U. for supporting our Kiki and our Ohana. I do want to take an opportunity to thank Gary Gigi Napoleon for literally working with Easter Miracle to host this Easter extravaganza event at Wong Stadium with support from Prasad Kidding Attorney's Office. I had a chance to go check it out. 30,000 eggs disappeared in like six minutes. So shout out to the many hands that went into stuffing the eggs and just creating a space for Kiki and O'Hana to have fun together. Looking for everyone's support. Thank you, A yield. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 1, 6, 0, dash 25. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with nine, aye's. Resolution 1, 6, 0, dash 25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 1, 6, 1, dash 25? Hearing none, resolution 1, 6, 1, dash 25, transfers appropriate an appropriation out and from a designated fund account. Incredits saying to a designated fund account, but it granted the Big Island Lions Foundation to support the 2025 Helo Cursts' Parade. Transfer's $1,000, and a clerk council services, Condensually, if account, Call on the District 3, Incredits Department of Parks and Recreation, Administration and the current expenses account, introduced by Consumber Onishi. Motion to approve resolution 161-25. Thank you. Well, by Vice-Chair Onishi, seconded by Consumber Hustis to approve resolution 161-25, Vice-Chair Onishi. Thank you. Is Roxanne, a boromant at the Hewlett Chambers with the Lai, onacao falls lines. Council member there she's here. Okay. Representatives are approaching. I just want to see that they came and asked her to have for some help and then what I'm doing is I asked them for a budget of what they needed. And so I looked at the list and what I wanted to provide funding was to help with having equipment or supplies that they could use for the years to come. And that way they won't be always hitting the council members for funding and so kind of setting them up. So EFUX wanna see something. And this also, this Christmas parade is so awesome that they put on with all the lines. I mean, we have thousands and thousands of people that line up the streets to watch this celebration. So, Ra-San, you folks want to say something? So, I just want to thank Mr. Anishin and the council members for always supporting our Christmas parade. This is put on by four lines club here in Hilo. Hilo lines club, Cres lines, white care lines, and a couple of all lines. Nate Tahon here is the parade chairperson. This is the second year he's doing it. I mean, the parade is awesome. We would like to thank you all for supporting us. So we'll be using the funds from Mr. Inishi to purchase traffic safety buttons. We didn't realize we needed it until Mr. Tahan came on and he said, we can't be directing traffic at night with our hands. We'll be picking up two-way radios. We didn't realize it. We needed two-way radios and to Mr. Tahan said, we need radios. You can't use our cell phones, which is true, and we'll be picking up safety vests for our volunteers. So thank you very much. Thank you, wanna add? Yeah, just kind of, we supply in the safety vests. Someone won't get damaged over the years. So, just going to that. And we get more radios to help with the officers. We found the officers needed radios as well. They use the oil. But if we can lend them some of ours that we have, what is on the same page, everybody's on the same communication, it comes about smoother. Thank you. Thank you. Now, can you folks identify yourselves and who you guys are representing? I'm Nathan Tholan. I'm with the Hilo Kresson CV Lions Club. I'm the this year's chair for the parade. I'm sorry I'm Roxanne Agroemen. I'm with Akaka Falls Lions Club but I'm also secretary for the Beganley Lions Foundation. Me Foundation. Neat here is a Director of the Beganley-Line's Foundation. Okay, right. Okay. I just want to thank you folks, and you know, and now I was with discussion with Roxanne was that I just wanted to make sure that they had enough to-aid radios, enough safety vests, and so that everyone who is helping the volunteers all have a vest for them to wear. So thank you very much and thank you for attending this meeting. I would like to add though we would like to invite the county council to participate with us and join us in being a part of the parade. If you decide we can send you information and we can Have you first entered as a group? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the invite. Contrary to me, let them know. Okay. Thanks. So I hope I'm asking for you guys also part. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 161-25. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine aye's. Resolution 161-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 162-25? Hearing none, resolution 162-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. And credit same to a designated fund account for the grantee lines, of Quantle Community Foundation that incorporated for the 39th annual Hawaii Kupunahu La Festival. Transfer is $2008 of Kerr Council services continuously leave account, Council District 3, and credits to the part of Park Saracgration and administration of the current expenses account in use by Councilor Onishi. Make motion to approve resolution once 6'2-25. Move back by Council member Oneshe, second by Council member Houston, to approve resolution 162-25. Just for the record, I wanted to mention that I did work for the senior activities division, and I used to help with this Kapuna Hula way back. This is like many, many years ago. So, but we have, can you help here? Yeah, just a red light, first about then. There you go. Aloha, I'm Nicole Sasaki, Simmons with Park and Recreation, Elderly Activities Division, Elderly Recreation Services Program Director for this Kapuna Hula festival that we're hosting in September. Thank you to Councilmember Onishi for supporting us and his funds is going to go towards our house band and program printing. We normally don't have to ask out for funds but because of the five-year hiatus we had to COVID and all that. Last year we had our competition and prices of everything just went up substantially. So we're trying to like catch up so we can get back on track and hopefully not have to ask him but thank you for your support. Thank you very much for your hard work and getting it back you know in activity. The only thing is you know I'm hoping that the Japan economy improves because when we were running the festival, we had at least 8 to 10 halal's coming from Japan. One halal came from Okinawa and what was amazing was the musician from Okinawa, he could sing so beautiful Hawaiian music when they, but he couldn't speak one word of English. I was like, what? And he sang so great. And when you talk to him, he couldn't understand no English. But thank you very much. We have widened coming from Japan this year. Last year they couldn't come, so we're really happy to welcome them back. and that's totally start coming back. And I'm hoping that we can get more in the future. And I'll be there to help support you guys. Thank you. Okay, so I'm hoping for support, members. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Chair Onishi, Council Member Viegas. Yes, thank you so much for all your amazing work. And I'm so excited to see this program coming back. I'd also love to offer some support from District 7 in my office because this isn't Kona, yeah. Yeah. I just have a quick question for Corp Council and this is more clarity for myself because I'm getting CRF requests but the event doesn't happen until the start of the new fiscal year. So my question is for clarification, because I'm in full support, but I was under the understanding that funds being allocated for events that don't happen until the following fiscal year that the funds have to be utilized for an event happening within the fiscal year that the funds are allocated from. Renational Corporation Council, yes, you're correct. So I'm sorry I didn't read this particular one in the details, but I know the prior one. They were asking for equipment for that particular fiscal year, even though the event itself was happening the next fiscal year. So if that's the same, I think it's a permissible expenditure. But you are right, generally, you have to expend within the fiscal year. So even this funds, they have to expend in this fiscal year. Thank you so much. That's good clarity for me as well. And but please do reach out as the event gets closer because I'd be honored to support. Yes, yes. Thank you. Appreciate that. I yield. I'm sure it's on issue. I'm just to add, yes. So with the Christmas fare, I'm the Christmas parade, and also with the Puna Hula, I did put money into purchase now for the event. Yeah, instead of waiting until like going towards the event itself, yeah. So that's why I got to select how I wanted to give the money or where to give the money to. But thank you. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 162-25. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries not eight eyes One excuse councilmember Kaguata resolution 162-25 is approved Chair a councilmember Kaguata is in the room. Okay nine in favor. Thank you Next resolution is there any testimony for resolution 163-25? Hearing none, resolution 163-25 transfers appropriate and appropriation out from a designated fund account and credits saying to a designated fund account about a grant to dare Hawaii for the 2025 dare day celebration at East Hawaii., transfers $2,000 of court council services continuously relief account, Consisting three and credits the public electoral public programs account and should be consular on Ishii. Motion to approve resolution 163-25. Moved by council member Onishi, seconded by council member Houston, to approve resolution 163-25 by Sharon Ishii. Just asking for support. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine, aye. Is resolution 163-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 164-25? Hearing none, resolution. Oh, that's a good one. Yes, there is. Can you see me, Aloha? Is this for resolution 164 or 165? 164. 164. It will be allowed as you are a graduate of Pro-Kilo High class of 1991. Yes, as a matter of fact, I am a graduate of 1991. Please proceed. You'll have more than three minutes as much time as you'd like. Thank you. This is this resolution and funds are appropriated for our station. It allows us to take care of our number one equipment. We have all kinds of cool, expensive equipment at our station and they're in our vehicles, but our number one most important equipment that we can take care of as we get an alarm right now. Sorry. I just the fire alarm. Our number one equipment. Our bodies. We got to take care of it. We're going to use this to purchase. Dedicated work out equipment for our station. I've been here for like 20 or the last 25 years. it's always we've been using our own personal equipment and as guys transferring and out the equipment goes in and out. And so this would be able to purchase dedicated equipment to our station for a future also and for other equipment that for safety and cameras for our station because we do have some wanders outside, especially at night. I'll be happy with everybody here at yellow first station. Wow. Thank you, you're a testimony. You're currently very well educated. Is there any additional testimony for resolution 164-25? Carrying none, resolution 164-25 transfers appropriate as an appropriation out and from a designated fund account and credit saying to a designated fund account to purchase the equipment for the KL Fire Station transfer is $9,500 of the Quirk Council services can easily leave account, Council District 3 and Credit of WIFI Department fire auxiliary service equipment account, introduced by Council member Onishi. Motion to approve resolution 164-25. and credits the WIFI department, Fire Excelery Service Equipment Account. Introduced by Consumber O'Neill Sheen. Motion to approve Resolution 164-25. Move by Vice-Chair O'Neill Sheen. Second, I'd like Consumber member Houston to approve Resolution 164-25. Vice-Chair O'Neill Sheen. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Captain Buckley. So maybe you can mention about the cameras that we will be purchasing for your station because of some problems you faced in the past. In the past, yes. So you've had, what were we or the out-run alarms or at night when there's nobody patrolling outside? We've had instances before where our cars were broken into. And one, a long time ago as somebody's car got stolen and the ambulance passed their own car coming back from the hospital. So it would help with the safety of this area and our station as well. Thank you for our personal stuff as well as the station supplies and everything safer. Thank you very much for that. And also, you know, I, for myself, when I get on council, I always go and visit all my fire stations that are in my district to make sure that one, as Captain mentioned, the safety for our first responders because we need to make sure we take care of them of them, because if we cannot take care of them, how do we expect them to take care of us? Right? And so that's why I always try to help out with visiting the station, going to the police stations and so forth, but yeah. So this is a dire need for them. They have all their equipment, especially to keep them physically shaped all outside, all in elements of the weather. And so it gets deteriorated and so forth. So they also will be fixing up a little bit of that area that they will be exercising and doing their workouts. So that's great. They also include it is the air condition because they in this building right there, you can see when he is in the background, it's kinda like compact and I mean, it's really cluttered for there. And it's so the air conditioning really helping them and it's mentioned about the cameras. Just a star like with Wike fire station, they had a lot of homeless and at the time they didn't have the fencing so they had a homeless person take the one or the fireman's jacket what What Yifu's called that? That was here. Oh, built it. It was here also. A bunch of years ago. Yeah, we had the door wasn't locked and some guy put on the turn out gear and actually came into the station. Yeah, it's crazy. It came in good form. Yeah, it's something. It's something that I didn't have to say. Yeah. So thank you. So I'm just asking my colleagues for support and thank you Captain for coming online. Thank you very much. We really appreciate it. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. All those in favor of approving Oh, sure. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Sorry, I do want to thank Councilmember Onishi for this very generous. Cocoa, thank you Captain for being on, but I do want to disclose that my partner. He is an FEO at the K.O. Station, so I just wanted to make sure that was noted for the record, but all firefighters will definitely benefit from this co-cool. Thank you, I yield. Thank you, Council Member Kirkowitz, all those in favor of approving resolution 164-25. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 9-Eyes Resolution 164-25 is approved. Mahalo captain for joining us today. Please do. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. We do have one testifier. It seems via Zoom, Marsha Timboy. Marsha, at this time, if you'd like to unmute your mic, you can provide your testimony. You'll have three minutes. If you can just reintroduce yourself as you begin. Marsha, at this time, we are asking again if you'd like to provide testimony at this time. You'll have three minutes. Chair it seems that we are calling out Marsha. She is in the zoom but she's not responding at this time. A long how can you hear me? Yes we can. You have three minutes if you could just- All right. All right. Okay so just a brief description of our event and why we appreciate the support of the council. This is the 20th anniversary of the Hilo-Lade Festival, which is always held on May 1st at Colocall Park. That's Hilo's historic town square. So this beloved Hilo event celebrates the history and artistry of Lake culture and is attended by hundreds of comma-in and visitors alike. So over 500 attended the festival this year and even a Hawaiian immersion school from Hana Mali Kate and they made beautiful lake. Anyway our festival and live-ends Colocaw Park for several hours on May 1st with live Hawaiian music, Hula, storytelling on Lake culture, and installation of the Lake Day Court, a lake contest, and relevant informational boots. And of course, the featured activity of Leigh Makin. Leigh practitioners teach traditional Hawaiian lay styles, and the interrelationship of the plants with native Hawaiians ecosystems. The festival has contributed to the economic and cultural rejuvenation of downtown Hila by engaging musicians, entertainers, Halaohula and cultural practitioners. The festival was co-founded in 2005 by Rennon Kupuna, we know Nga, Antinona Bimur, and Hilo Ngaidav Lelehua-Yuen, and this is to preserve and perpetuate the traditions and culture of traditional lay. The Hilo Lele Festival sends a big Mahalo for the support of Denis O'Neighi for his contingency funds of $500. Mayor Kimo for a thousand. When he heard about our Lady Festival, he went, yes. It's, it needs support. And then of course to the festival's long time supporter, Jen Kagiwara, Mahalo Jen. And she always gives us 3,000 to be sure that we have enough lay flowers and also, yeah, to fund our musicians and cultural practitioners. Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony, Chair. Those are all the testifiers for this item. Thank you, Mr. Araceli. Resolution 166, that's 25 transfers, appropriate, and appropriation out from a designated fund account. I credit saying to a a designated fund account, whether granted to the grassroots community development group for the 2025 Helo Ley Day Festival. Transfer is $500 for the Curriculum Council Services, contingently of the Council, Councillor Couser, three, and credits to the Public Director Control for the Cromens account. Motion to approve resolution 165-25. Move by vice chair on issue seconded by council member Houston to approve resolution 165-25. Move by Vice Chair Onishi. Seconded by Councilmember Houston. To approve resolution 165-25. Vice Chair Onishi. Just asking for support and I'll be helping you folks out more next year. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Is Mr. Coney, the Klein Klein filter in or out of the room in Hilo. Are we not in the room at this time? Thank you. All those in favor aye and he opposed motion carries. Eight eyes one excuse. Councilmember Coneyley Klein filter resolution 165-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 166-25? Thank you so much, Mr. Clerk. I believe we do have Lieutenant Bill Der on Zoom to provide testimony on this item. Lieutenant, if you'd like to unmute at this time to provide that testimony, you'll have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself as you begin. Yeah, hi, thank you. I'm Lieutenant Durham with Community Policing. The contingency funds are going to be used to promote some of our events that we do in community policing such as KKID, coffee with a cop, neighborhood watches, so we're need of banners, stickers, those kind of items. And then additionally, the Lions share the money would be going to equipment. And as mentioned before, the equipment can be used long-term so we don't have to keep coming back asking. But they would include specifically things for our newly revamped bike patrol. We've got six new bikes. We have 12 more on order, but we need helmets, tires, tubes, uniforms, specifically shorts, and those kind of things. So I humbly ask your support to help us with those kind of items. And then lastly, I'd just like to say that watching the county council meeting today, I heard the name Jarnesky family come up several times, parks and recreation, and I just wanted to say special thanks to them, because they also participate in our dare day every year and they're just wonderful people to work with and I want to say thank you to them and county council for supporting the dare day that we have on both sides of the aisle. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair at this time, those are all the testifiers you have for this item. Thank you, Mr. Arcelli. Resolution 166-25, transfer is appropriates an appropriation out and from a designated fund account. And credit is saying to a designated fund account for the Hawaii Police Department's Community Policing Program in Council District 3, transfers $5,883 from the Clerk Council Services contingency of the council district three and credits to the police department, Hawaii, Iowa, Police Activities League, other current expenses account introduced by council member O'Neill Shee. Make a motion to approve resolution 166-25. Move by Vice-Chair O'Neill Shee, seconded by council member Houston to approve resolution 166-25. Vice-Chair O'. Thank you, Chair. At this time, I would like to amend resolution 166-25 with the committee issue of 266-1. Move by Vice-Chair Onishi. Seconded by Council Member Houston to amend resolution 166-25 with the contents of communication 266.1. Vice Sharon Ishii. Yes, thank you. So this is, I had a little bit extra funding, so I just wanted to increase more to community police for helping them with the bike patrol, which will help out the Esawaii a lot within all our activities like for example the photo July celebrations, patrolling down the beaches, you know, downtown Hilo. And so and also what I want to really thank the whole staff from the police department to the mayor's office to my office on how we got this done in within like so many hours and because if not, I would have to table this and say you see if we could get it done, you know, done before we end our consolidating, but yeah, but thank you. So I'm asking for you guys support. Thank you. Thank you on the amendment. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Eight aye. So I'm excused. Councilmember Conelli, Klein further. Can I get a motion to suspend rule 23, please? Move back, Councilmember Houston. Seconded by Councilmember Kimbo, appropriate. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, eight eyes, one excuse, Councilmember Kanye League, line filter, back to the main motion resolution 166. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. And as you guys know as Mr. Houston all makes a joke with me, it's something about hype hell. So he's telling me now I need to recuse myself. But I'm always supporting that. also, Lieutenant, are you still on? Because I just, I think the bikes were supposed to be electric bikes to help them, right? Is that correct? Is the bike supposed to be electric? Yeah, yeah, we initially received six e-bikes and another 12 are on order and as you had explained, we're going to be utilizing them both day and nighttime hours downtown and then during day times, hours basically on the beach run between Richardson's beach and Onikaka, because we get a lot of activity and the bike patrol is more suited for those areas, than regular patrol cars. Great. And then, Lieutenant, are you folks looking to expanding like to the west side, along the lead drive and all those others? Yes, absolutely. It's my understanding that out of those 12, I believe four are slated to be implemented down there so they can be doing the LEE drive, old airport, that kind of thing and get the bike patrol up and running. Great, thank you very much for that, Lieutenant. Yeah, so like I mentioned before with the fire, I always try to support our community police officers because they're always involved with the community, right? And then to me, the community, when you have the great relationships, they're the eyes and ears for the department and makes the police officers an easier task on their work. So I ask you for your support. And as Lutton also mentioned about the KKIDs, I know you folks when you guys go to these big events, there's always a request from the people from the events that they want community police down there to do the KKIDs. So this will really help them because their equipment is like, how old is it really old, right? Lutin it. Yeah. Basically our printers that we make, they're falling apart. And so we mix and match parts and do what we can, but yeah, it'll help procure some more machines. And then like I said with the banners, it'll help people know where to come to get those IDs because we want to expand it further than just special events which is where we typically do it but we want to do a partnership like with the library of you know every Wednesday you know third the month, you know, you can go to the library and we're going to be there, you know, if you want a KKID, instead of having to wait for some special event where we're going to be. Yeah, and then we have the consumables that we have to purchase, you know, like the ribbons and the ink cartridges, that kind of thing. Yeah, so thank you very much, LT. So I just have to give my colleagues for support. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 166-25 as amended. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, 9. I's resolution 166-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 167-25? Hearing none resolution 167-25 transfer is appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account and credit saying to a designated fund account to add a grant to corner historical society for its corner beekeeper legacy project transfers $2,5002,500 of clerk council services, continuously in the council district six, and a Criticist Department of Research and Development, Agriculture, other current expenses account, introduced by Councilmember Gullimba. Chair, motion to approve resolution 167-25. Moved by Councilmember Gullimba, seconded by Councilmember Houston, to approve resolution 167-25. Council Member Calimba. Thanks, asking for my colleagues support. This program has been supported by a couple of our my fellow colleagues and it is a great project highlighting beekeeping in Kona. Thank you, Councilmember Kulemba. Yes, this exhibit will be there through July. So encourage folks to go and visit at the Kona Historical Society. All those in favor of a proofing resolution 167-25 please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Eight eyes. One excuse. Councilmember Caguiwata. Resolution 167-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 168-25? Hearing none, resolution 168-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. Credit saying to a designated fund account with a grant to the Society for for Kona's education and art for the termite treatment of its historical buildings, transfers $8,775 dollars. The Perconcil Services continues to relieve a consultistric sixth and credits the part research and development business development account induced by Council Member Gullimba. Motion to approve resolution 168-25. Moved by Council Member Gullimba, seconded by Council Member Hustis to approve resolution 168-25. Moved by Council Member Calimba. Seconded by Council Member Houston. Approved resolution 168-25. Council Member Calimba. Thank you. So pleased to be able to support this organization. It's been providing programming for 46 years now. They do have some infrastructure needs that they need to take care of. So this is the first part of their plan and termite treating. They operate out of the old Japanese language school and head masters cottage in South Kona and provide programming in a wide variety of subjects to the community, art, dance, crafts, Tai Chi, karate, music, and even cultivating mushrooms. So a terrific organization. And ask you for my colleague's support. Thank you, Councilmember Calimba, all those in favour of approving resolution 168-25. Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Nine, aye. Resolution 168-25 is approved. I think that was a record for a number of CRF resolutions in one agenda,, but with that, we will go back to Bill 39. Can I get a motion to remove Bill 39 draft two from the table? The move moved by the place chair on issues. I can invite councilmember V Agas to remove Bill 39 from the table. All those in favor? All right. Any opposed? Motion carries nine Nine eyes. Bill 39 is back on the floor and I'll hand chair over to Vice Chair Onishi at this time. Okay. I want to point out that my office provided the requested information via communication 206.3 which the information being the market rental rates, buys it cold across this island, happy to take questions. And again, I want to apologize for the oversight here and not having that information ready to focus today. Ms. Kagiwada, do you want to go ahead? Yes, thank you so much. And thank you for providing the information. So looking at this information, say, just take the one bedroom for instance, looking at the 80% AMI, which is the proposed rate change of $1,663 a month of all the zip codes in our county, 22 of those are lower for a one bedroom for market rate than that proposed 80% AMI rate. So you've got 22 zip codes I would guess mostly on the south and east sides out of what, 31 zip codes are something that we have. So, you know, a good portion, two thirds, more than half are going to now have market rates that are lower than our proposed affordable rental rates, which means people will be getting tax benefits, tax incentives, and we will be losing revenue for somebody who is providing a rental that could be even higher in many cases than the market rate. So I'm just, I would love to hear, I guess we've got our real property tax folks here. I would love to hear from them if that's okay. I'd like to ask our administrator, an assistant administrator to come up and talk about revenue losses, potential revenue losses, what this could mean. Thank you. property tax tax administrator, the Samira, we have so much data that we tried to bring. So we're going to pull up those sheets real quick. The affordable rental guidelines for the one bedroom that would go up to 1,663 for example. And then when you went through the one bedroom for the fair market rent that you all received today from Chairman Inaba, you said has approximately a whole bunch. 22 that are the market rate is lower than the affordable, the proposed affordable housing rate. On the one bedroom? Yes. Okay, I'm not seeing that. So the rate that is proposed is 1,663. Correct. And there's 22 of them under the one bedroom that is less than that? Yes. Okay. So our data isn't kept by zip codes. So I will tell you all the data I researched because zip codes is some reason it is. So we prepared a lot of data according to what was asked last time, but not this one. And I believe housing would probably be better at least in answering this question when it comes to the potential loss in revenue. We were looking at it for more if it went up how many people excuse me, how many properties might go into it, which that part I don't know. We calculated I believe a question, one of the council members asked asked just so we can share that we didn't come totally empty handed. The total percent that we're already at the max because that was a big concern last time. So I can stay back till it comes up to that question again and then have the housing administrator answer your question now. So you can go ahead and speak to potential impacts on our revenue. Yeah. So regarding the, well the maximum rent, I think the biggest concern last time, if I recall, besides revenue was everybody could raise up their rents and how many were already at the max that would go up. So we did calculate those that were at the max for the 2025 tax year because we've since certified so we could provide that data. And there's only 4.3% or 110 parcels of the over 2000 that applied that are at the max. So we took it one step further because we thought, well, somebody at council might ask, well, one if it's within the $100 because, you know, going to just that exact amount seemed like we could go one step further. And even at that, there is 7.2% that is within $100 of hitting the max allowed monthly rent. Does that make sense? So basically you have 88.5% that are not within even $100 of the max rent right now. So even though the rents were going up, a lot of those in here did not increase to the maximum amount. I cannot guarantee that they're not going to increase it. I mean, all I can say is what the data has shown us whereas in years past we were not able to provide that our staff entered that all in for this tax year. Right. Yeah. So I hear that. I understand that. I guess it's the people who are charging market rate that can now go into this program and get all the tax benefits for charging market rate, right? Correct. Or above market rate in many of these cases. I think what the data is showing is that people are not hitting the max on the affordable rental rate as it is. It's actually to the contrary. So I'm not sure increasing the rate is going to drive the market up. I'm not saying it's going to drive the market up. What I'm saying is people who are just renting their places for market rate or even and above market rate in 22 of our zip codes can now get all the advantages and tax advantages, tax rate lowering tax rates, getting the 3% cap all these things and they're still charging above market rate. But we're going to make so that they all get these tax advantages for charging above market rate. Yes, and that could happen. I until the long-term rental tax class comes out, I wouldn't be able to provide accurate data right. So, but so all those people will be going from paying a tax rate in residential or apartment and go to the Right. So all those people will be going from paying a tax rate in residential or apartment and go to the affordable rate, potentially if they applied. Right. Yes. Okay. So that is my concern on the East side as well as the fact that those are not going to be any more affordable. We're not driving affordability. We're not making things more affordable by doing this on the East side by any means. We're only making it more affordable on the West side, but actually potentially allowing people to raise their rates on the East side. Possibly, and again, I'd have to let the housing administrator speak to that. That is not the area that we are familiar with on what drives what. And perhaps maybe the introducers could share the intent of it. I don't think it was just for East Hawaii that has a lot of rentals available. It was to get areas that have no rentals available into the program. And we are looking at the one bedroom, but the higher up you get, it kind of flips a little bit, right? Because it seemed like it's not going up in the same extreme that the lower side is. For a four bedroom. Correct. Yeah. And I will admit looking at this many zip codes from a real property tax standpoint is a little confusing not just I think for us but it's going to be for the public and I really hope we don't go to 31 different rental amounts. Right. Absolutely. But I think the discussion we had before was maybe two different rental amounts. One for those higher cost zip codes on the West side and one for everybody else. And I think that was what I was requesting we delve into and what some of my colleagues were maybe talking about as well. So that's the only thing I'm talking about is that this is potentially really affecting the different areas quite differently. And whereas I think it's important and critical that we support the west side and making sure that we have more rentals available over there, I think unintentionally could really hurt the rest of the island other than those, you know, eight or nine zip codes that are the high-end zip codes. So, I guess that's where I'm just, and then yeah, and then concerns for revenue loss if tons of people jump this because it is quite a difference from going to, from apartment class or residential tear one to affordable rental. Correct, yeah, okay. Okay, so that's all I have right now on that. I did remember or I looked at the report from the committee hearing and there was also data requested on the geographic distribution of section eight vouchers. So maybe're going to hear about that. So thank you. Thank you, Cherry Navifer, providing this additional information. I just hope that we can have more of a conversation about this disparity on the different parts of the island. I'll yield for now. Thank you. Okay. Is there a level would you want to make any comments? Let's see. I think what we need to realize also is that the payment standard is fluid and that could really change from year to year. So I don't know if administrator Costal wants to kind of explain you know how that could potentially really be fluid. So the argument that you know we are increasing the rents I don't know is as accurate but I'll just give the opportunity to administrative cost if she wants to chime in on those comments. Administrator. Hi, Kehael Costa, Housing Administrator. So as I understand it, the intention of this bill is to detach the affordable rental housing real property tax program from the payment standard. And moving towards the AMI chart that is provided by HUD. The AMI chart is broken down into low income and extremely low income. AMIs, 80%, 60%, 30%. So that's my understanding of this bill. Why we were asked to take a look at moving away from the payment standard is because the payment standard is based on OHCD's ability to set the payment standard between 90% and 110% of fair market as established by HUD, understanding that HUD's HUD studies are relatively old, three to five years old. So those market rents are not current market rents. They're three to five years old based on the last HUD study. As we're looking at the current federal, I guess the situation, you know, we may have to adjust our payment standard. We're not sure what the proposed budget will be in the coming year. So as we adjust our budget and our payment standards between the 90 and 110% of fair market, that is going to affect if we don't detach it, it will affect real property taxes, ability to manage the program and certify leases. And it's a disruption to landlords because they will have to adjust their rents annually based on our changing payment standards. So that's my understanding of the intention of the bill is to make it administratively less burden some on certifying those leases and the rent amounts to have a little bit of stability in determining the rent amounts from year to year and allow OHD to set payment standards that are also not every year when we set the payment standard, we're considering the implications to the affordable rent program. And so, you know, detaching that would be helpful. Thank you. I don't know. I answered the question. Yeah. Yeah. No, thank you. You did as it relates to the payment standard, really. And after the the last committee hearing, I had some discussion and trying to determine whether there's a way to make those two different rates. I myself am not comfortable just choosing which zip codes are gonna be a part of a cheaper rate and which will not be. And then to determine for that class what AMI they'll be having to rent that. So I do feel comfortable with the 80% in review of the market rate and in review of all of the benefits that this bill has to offer in terms of getting people into the program and also reducing some of the load on our real property tax division and having to go in check out each of the properties making sure that they're permitted. We're just getting that information from Office of Housing for those section eight properties. So ask for my colleague support. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So as I understand it, the fair market rates that you've presented to us in this communication are from HUD and they represent, according to Google, the 40th percentile for the standard rental rates for the units, meaning that 40% of the units in the area would be valued rental rate, provided that rental rates lower than the FMR and 60% would be higher than the AMR. So it is not the same as a median, not the same as the affordable AM, based on the AMI that we're getting from HUD, but there is going to be some sort of mathematical relationship between FMR and these values such that the blanket statement that 22 of these are valued higher really makes sense. In other words, it's complicated, I think, this relationship between FMR and the AMI rates. I'm going to throw a crazy idea out to the maker. What if we took a stab at this to just provide some flexibility to the office of housing to make adjustments based on their observations in terms of what they see happening in the market and the differences between the east side and west side maybe through rulemaking or presenting resolution to council. But kind of what I'm hearing here is that this is really kind of tough to fit in a one-size-fits-all across the county. And I do agree with Councilmember Coguetta's assertion that if we do a one-size-fits-all, it's going to hurt the Westside a little bit more than the Eastside, I think. So I haven't really thought it through, but maybe speaking with K-HOW at some point, we could consider that type of approach here. Just a thought. Thanks, Chair Eel. Okay. Anyone in Eelow? Yes, yes, there. Okay. Go ahead. Kind of clean powder. Still working on that one. Thank you, chair. Thank you. Miss Costa. I believe last time, and I appreciate the zip coded information, but I think I was looking for more of a condensed version, where I can add Hilo, Kona, Limeo, Ouna. Look at the zip codes. I'm not a genius at zip codes. I know most of those. I know the big ones, 96749, 96720. What is our density of affordable rentals or section 8 vouchers being utilized in those different zip codes mean I didn't see that in the document that you provided. And I have my next question is coming you know my next question so. You're asking about vouchers? Yes. Yes, so word. Okay, so. And maybe I should preface that by saying the bill hopes to engage more homeowners to enjoy the special rates of the affordable rental class. Yeah, so two separate things that this bill is doing, right? Yes. The setting the rate, setting the rent rate is one thing. And then the amendment to the bill was to include section eight include Section 8, landlord or units. Currently we have, I would say about 70% of our vouchers are east side, 30% are west side, very low adoption in west Hawaii. Why me, I threw west to a very low adoption of the Section 8 program, primarily because market rents are significantly higher than even the Section 8 payment standard at 110% of the fair market rent, which Council Member Kimball is correct. It's a statistical calculation based on those that respond to a rent survey. So it's not necessarily a comprehensive data set that's collected on all market rents. And in the, at OHCD, we don't really deal with market rents. Right? We're dealing with hud's, fair market rent, which is a different calculation. We're not looking at markets and market rents and collecting full market data. That would really be a different organization that does that. Okay, so if the density of our section eight vouchers, I don't wanna say anything that's not within the bill, but if the bill is guiding section eight vouchers and hopefully guiding more people into the affordable rental class, and we're seeing mostly utilization of, is both of those categories, mostly in Eastoy, your affordable rental class, and this is going to blend in real property and OHCV. I'm going to, um, administrator, me or I could answer this question better. I want to come back to what we said. We're seeing a lot of utilization of section 8 vouchers in East Hawaii. Is that good? Is that just a little bit smaller percentage in Honeka, but I would say primarily of our primarily, arbipultures are in hilo through puna. That would be the bulk of our sectionate vouchers. A small amount. Yeah, just lower inventory there. Yeah, project based vouchers are in West Toy. How many vouchers? 2300 total. Total in our total. In the county. We have 2300 total vouchers. That's our utilization. Our total utilization would be 2300 in the county. Yes. And then do we know how many is here on corner? I don't have that breakdown. I was hoping for I know. Okay. Real property. Can you help with that question at all? I'm going to make you happy. text administrator of the see as far as, you know, kind of this. We can also district maybe one, two, three, four, five. Versus six, seven, eight, nine. So, we keep track of the affordable rentals. That's good because that's OECD. And you get their property. So, I'm looking for our rental class. What do you guys see as far as, you know, kind of this, we can also district maybe one, two, three, four, five versus six, seven, eight, nine. So I didn't break it down to council district because you know, your guys lines just kind of go all over and but I did break it down to lower Puna, Kalapana area versus Puna HPP, non-Avali, non-Avali Lelani. So I can tell you that information. If that's okay, if you want me to clump it into East Hawaii versus West Hawaii, I could. The hard thing is Council Member Kimball's area, not Kimball, excuse me, Council Member Gilemba, which kind of goes over both of the areas. But I'm more than happy to share this with you. I think today's discussion kind of ending like east to west and understanding what are where we're seeing a lot of the affordable rental. Oh, east to west. East to west. Yeah, I can give you that exact number in a second. And I'm going to include cut woo for the sake of this purpose in with West Hawaii because their number is really low. So out of, and I ran this by dwelling units and not to make this more confusing, but while your certification for the 2025 data is based on parcels, some parcels have more than one dwelling unit in the affordable rental housing program. So, great for us because it's more units. But out of the 2,541 dwelling units, 246 are in West Hawaii if you also include COa. That does not include Hamakua. What about by, by, 246 divided by 2541. So that's 9.6%. 9.6% of, that's 10% the total. Folks participating in the affordable rental class. That are in West Hawaii. So 90% are in East Hawaii. Correct. Okay. It was cost that does this bill begin to balance the discrepancy that we're seeing between almost all of the affordable rental class and almost all of your section 8 vouchers being utilized in East Hawaii, does it begin to balance the market or does it shifting more ability for the Eastway market to take advantage which they're already doing or because we're the center of where people live who participate in affordable housing for whatever reason. Does it begin to balance that or are we just creating more of a divide? This bill would begin to balance. The affordable, I believe this bill would be able to balance the affordable rental program and utilization of section eight vouchers because it would incentivize in West Hawaii. It would incentivize landlords in West Hawaii to participate, to better participate in section 8 to provide more section 8 units in West Hawaii. Because the rents would be a little bit closer, just a little bit, tiny bit closer to what the market is. And they would be able to take advantage of the exemption. That's not happening right now, right? So right now it's very divided. And I'm going to make a huge generalization and a huge assumption here, but my assumption is that this program helps to keep the rents affordable in East Hawaii. That's why you see many of the units or the rents that you're seeing on that small area fair market rent lower because most of the units in the affordable rent program are in these zip codes where housing is more affordable. So it's kind of driving, it's a little bit of a driver of the rents. Whereas in West Hawaii it's so far far off. It's so far off from what they can charge in rent, what they can get from Section 8 that we're just really not able to have good participation in West Hawaii. So I believe this bill tries to balance that a little bit. How does it do that? How does it accomplish that? The 80%, the 80%. EMI is just a little bit, a little bit closer, not much closer. And then if a landlord is looking at, well, you know, I, in West Hawaii, I can participate in the Affordable Rental Program. That's a little bit more of an incentive to bring the rents closer to the 80% am I so the two together may allow more landlords to participate. I'm talking primarily about section 8 right I'm talking primarily about section 8 participation. And when you have more landlords what we talked about at committees when you start to have more landlords. A dot participating in the section 8 program it kind of helps to stabilize some of the rents in the area because it starts to. balance out the market. When we look at comps for rents of affordability, you're having a more blended balance out the market. When we look at comps for rent and affordability, you're having a more blended rental mix than just market, all market. Okay. And then for Lisa, With what Miss Costa just said, T far as looking to balance market, what do you see the effect of the bill being on the East Hawaii market? Because I think if I remember right from my last meeting, we have the discussion what I saw was we're going to see an increase in rents on the east side of the island given the implementation of the bill and it might be wrong best with our member. So I think some of the data that that real property ran with regards to how many of the units participating in the affordable rental program are actually charging that max rent. That's interesting data because only what? 4.3% or at max rent. Right. 7.2% are within $100 for of the max rent. So 100% of the units that are participating in the real property tax, only about less than 10% are charging that max rent rate, rent cap. So if you're thinking that the max rent is going to go up and it's going to push the entire rental group up, that's not what the data is showing. That data is showing that 90% of the landlords participating in the real property tax exemption program are charging less than the cap that we set, the high rent that we set. Which is, that's great to see. Okay, what about the vouchers? What are you asking about the vouchers? What about the voucher? What about your amount covered be allowed to increase because the owners of the property participating in the for rental class and or Section 8 voucher program, will they be able to increase their rents that they can utilize the vouchers for? Which is our subsidization of rents here in East of A. Will they be able to increase them? Yes, time on going. And in the Section 8 program are not able to. So this bill increased the rental amounts they can charge? If you're asking if it will increase the rental amounts they can charge because they want to charge more. No, because we help landlords to set their rental rate based on the comps of the area. So if a landlord says, you know, I want to charge $2,000 for a one bedroom in Kia, how we do a comp of the area and we say you're the rent that you're wanting to charge is too high. It's not comparable to the area. So you have to bring your rent down. So they couldn't, they could request to increase their rent, but it still has to be within the payment standard and it still has to be within comparable rents in the area. So our landlords aren't able to just increase their rent because this program is increasing their rent. They'd have to request their rent and we'd do a study. Okay, so the bill won't directly allow affordable rental owners to just increase their rent because we've allowed to do so. Not in the Section 8 program. They can't request a rent increase within a year of their lease, if it has to be annual. And if they request a rent increase, we have to determine that that rent is a reasonable amount. Okay. And then, Brian, let's hold those thoughts. And I'll see if anybody in corner wants to say anything before we move back to Hilo. Anybody in corner? No? No? Okay, go ahead again. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Nisi. I think this is my last question. So broad spectrum between the two different abilities of landowners in East Hawaii using the Affordable Rental class and or Section 8 voucher program or combination of both. I think they overlap. lap crap. Broad spectrum does this bill allow for the market as a whole to begin to raise market rates for rentals, fair market rental rates and will it increase market rate ability for the landowners to charge more rent because they can because they can use the subsidization from Section 8 voucher program and utilizing a lower tax bill at the same time. I'm trying to put it all together in a way that makes sense to my brain if it doesn't make sense to you that I'm thinking about it wrong. But I think I got a grasp on it. No, I think I understand what you're asking or what you're stating. And it might be similar to what Councilmember Kagiwata said. The concern may not be so much for the people already in the ARAH program, but for the people who could qualify and come into the ARAH program at a higher rate. Because in East Hawaii, or for a lot of those zip codes, it would increase, whereas in West Hawaii, it may not be giving enough to still incentivize them to come in. And the answer I think is going to be yes, I think there will be more people in East Hawaii that are not in the air-reach program currently that could qualify to come in, because maybe they're over at this point. And when you look at two bedroom three bar, all the numbers shift on that zip code, a possible solution to that, not that I was asked that, but in going to where your concerns are, it's possibly maybe a different median for certain areas and a higher percent of median for other areas, which I realize the chair was trying to stay away from for simplicity. If anything less than 31 zip codes would make us happy at this point, because I'm afraid we're going to head there. No. I don't think it's that system. Yeah, I don't think so either, but where people draw the line between East and West Hawaii has, you know, it's been moving a little bit because people in Hona Kaa sometimes refer to themselves in West Hawaii. So without getting into that, that when I was looking at what the 75% and 60% median from HHFDC was, it seems a little bit more in line. Some areas go down but that might be a possibility. I'm not the housing expert but just from the tax side I understand where your concern is coming from and that might be an option if the maker of the bill is open to it. We're not opposed to having two different. We've had two different numbers all the time, but I can appreciate housing wanting us to get away from their payments standards. So they can use that for how it was intended. And we would be grateful because the AMI comes out earlier, so it would give the public more time. But I do believe by increasing it by that much other people would qualify for the program. Okay. Thank you. Ms. Costa. Can you repeat the question? Probably not. I think we're looking to balance and find equity in two different sides of the island. One with incredible modern property taxes. They drive the property taxes in our counties for as revenue. The Eastside being the major center of both affordable housing rental rate usage and the Section A voucher program. If we enact the bill, we may inadvertently begin to drive up the rental market rate in East Hawaii. That's not really, to me, the direction I think we're trying to go. I think this is trying to balance the equation as far as getting more people to participate in West Hawaii, not increase the market rate in rentals and heel on to push people on the corner because that ain't going gonna happen in my opinion. So would there be a way of balancing the payment standard, 80% AMI, more one of those numbers to provide equity to the bill that's in front of us today in your opinion. And I think Lisa gave us an interesting and doable option. Should the council choose to go that? Absolutely. We could look at ways to do that. You know, it's a little more complex. It would take a study and it would take some work, right? From either, it would probably be OHCD that we need to do the work and take a look at what those, looking at blending some of these, the small area, ran doing better housing study. So it's not as simple as selecting an AMI on the chart. It would take some study. Yeah, we'd have to do a housing study pretty regularly and look at geographic areas by grouping them, North Hawaii, East, West, South. Okay, but not as close. It's possible. But the methodology would have to be determined. So I think that's why where my hesitation in answering this is that methodology would have to be determined. I don't know if you have to determine that methodology within a bill or you create a role around, I don't know how that works. But anyway, I'm thinking about the methodology, what methodology would we use to calculate that regularly, consistently from year to year? And I think this was an attempt to move away from real property tax waiting for OHCD to determine methodology which is right now very simple. We wait for the payment standard, the fair market rent to come out from HUD. We do our calculation of 100, 190 to 110%. This includes utilities. We set our payment standard and they're to go. So creating a more complex methodology that would take more time doesn't satisfy. What I think, the one aspect of this bill was intended was to make to simplify and allow real property tax to run the program. But what you're talking about is housing policy and the greater picture of housing affordability, rental affordability. So it would take some work to determine that methodology. I think the effort would be incredibly worthwhile, especially because we started this conversation saying we're using the data from about the 2020 census. So it's really not it's not incredibly accurate or detailed given the timing of that study and what it did. So yes, I would like to see you put your heads together as a department and the departments and figure out a methodology and process that works, even if it's worth, even if it does take a little bit effort. I don't have anything to guide that by policy again, or if I need to sit down and just walk it out with you guys again. Thank you. Chair, you'll. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else in Hilo? Yes, Chair. Okay, go ahead. I'm just going to go ahead. Thank you. I just want to bring us back to a discussion that we had realizing that it wasn't exactly this body. It was our previous body. When we talked about the long-term rental bill, there were concerns that were brought up at that time that we didn't, some people brought up the fact that if people are renting at market rate, they didn't want to be giving them these major tax benefits. But what we're proposing here would be giving much greater tax benefits than we even talked about for the long-term rental program because this is the very lowest tax rate, the affordable housing tax rate, and the 3% cap, which are not included in those other ones. So I just want to remind us that we have had some of these conversations and that that was the concern and now we're turning around and actually, you know, doing that at a greater level. And so I just want to go back to, I think I understand we have to do something to help West Hawaii and we want to get them more people into the affordable housing and using Section 8 vouchers, yes, yes, yes. And there's just such a difference between East and West Hawaii that doing a one-size-fits-all, I think we will be overcorrecting for East Hawaii here and probably still not even getting to where we want to be for West Hawaii. So I just would encourage us to do what council member Connelly Klein-Thiller suggested, which is figure out a way to have two different rates maybe. two different that's way better than 31 different rates. It's not as good as one rate absolutely but two different rates if we can figure out an easy way. I feel like I mean I don't know could you just look at all the zip codes that are under you know, rate that we're proposing and all the zip codes that are over the rate we're proposing and used that and do it every five years or something, I don't know. But thank you and I just hope we can continue to think about this because I don't think a simple fix is going to get us to where we want to be. I yield. Thank you. Ms. Galimba. Thank you. You know, I started out saying that I was supportive of just the one raid and because of the conversation and actually sort of looking at Uzalou forailua and Hilo. I Worry actually that we'll do none of the good things that we want to do if we won't the rate that pay 80% will be too too far to go down for West Hawaii and then provide well, I don't know if it would provide an incentive to raise rates in heal or potentially could, but the market there might just keep it where it is. But I do think that we need to have a more nuanced mechanism. So I'm also changing my perspective to go along more with what has been suggested that we do a little more study and come up with a slightly more complicated but I think in the long run be more effective way to get where we all want to go with getting more affordable housing folks, in West Hawaii. Thanks. Okay, it was $1. Thank you. It's a little funny because I think the more information provided allows for a lot of different interpretations of what could potentially happen here. And I just want to boil it back down to we want people to be in the affordable rental class, offering long-term affordable rentals. The amount that is proposed to be increased from the current payment standard, again, which could change from year to year to the 80% AMI is not that great in considering that only 4% of all properties in the affordable rental program are charging the maximum they could charge right now, really indicates that it's unlikely that all of them would go up to the next 80% AMI limit. So I think the bill stands on its own merit, bringing in also the section 8 vouchers. I'm going to ask for my colleagues continued support. And yeah, I want to thank real property tax and Office of Housing for providing this information and for answering the questions from Council today. Thank you, Chair. Are you okay? Any other discussion? Ms. Kimball? Yeah, thank you. Can I just ask the members of the housing committee working on chapter 11 if this has been, is this an outcome of the conversations of that group or is this something independent? Has this been discussed in that group? Maybe the maker can respond. No, yeah, that is not. Okay. You know, I'm going to support this today from the standpoint of I don't think it changes much except the mechanism by which we determine affordable or not. And it is changing the values a little bit, but not in a standard way across the board. Does it have the potential to create a harm? I think maybe a little bit. And so I think it's something we need to be attentive to as it proceeds. But I'd like to express that I also don't think it's the final place we need to land. I think that there's a lot of value in the discussion that has been had today, particularly meeting some flexibility between East Side West Side, potentially even East Side West Side North Side South Side. There's clearly not a one-size-fits-all just because of the great differences in different areas of the county here. So happy to offer to work with you, Cherry Navajo, or anyone else, and maybe a more nuanced approach. Like I said, we'll link to support this today. I don't think it's going to be detrimental. Obviously, it wouldn't vote for it otherwise. But I think it can't be the end of the conversation. So thanks. Okay. A little bit more legus. Yeah, just a quick two cents. I just have to believe that somewhere else has the same issues. There's got to be another municipality that has the difference in rental values in relation to being in the same county. I mean, a lot of places have a city council, right? Their whole city is considered a county. So they have a city council. But I just that's where I might just small humble recommendation would be to look at municipalities that may have navigated this because yeah, there's there's a big difference between rental rates, property values, et cetera, between East and West Hawaii. Just as there has been big discrepancy in the allocation of resources between East and West Hawaii. And so a lot of West Hawaii people think they pay a lot more and more the benefits have gone to the other side. So I would be remiss in not mentioning that as being a historical statement. So I appreciate this attempt to navigate a system and complexities that are quite mind-blowing and to come to the most equitable solution to serve our diverse population here on this island and bring the most good without causing harm to anyone else. So, kind of my two senses, let's look at where it may have been activated and utilized with success. I yield. Okay. Mr. Husses. Thank you, Vice Chair. I'm curious to see where some of these discussions go forward and kind of look at different parameters for different models. Because adding this zip code piece it really kind of threw my mind because there's zip codes across this or nine that encompass all aspects of the market from extreme rural areas and affordability to really high end. So that piece really kind of skews it for me a bit. And whether it's North and South, East and West, we have to look at it. It's going to be a complex model for sure. Just looking at the demographics of District 9 alone, just have every end of the spectrum for sure. So thank you. Okay. Anyone else in kilo? Last one. No. Okay. No one in corner. That's it. Mr. Greg, can we do a roll call? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm going to go on. I'm going to support it today, but I do really hope we can work on a more nuanced approach as well. Okay. Just a little bit. Yes, I'm definitely open to having an amendment. I myself won't be working on it because as an administrator cost the point it out. I think that to do a really good job and to be able to break it up would take time and money that I don't think I have the expertise to try and piece out, zip code, zip code or make groups and I don't like I said at the beginning of the conversation today I don't want to make a well-earned decision on who gets to be in and at what AMI percentage they're going to pay I think what's proposed is fair but welcome any of the members to in the meantime work and bring something that the council may take up. But thank you all for your input on this bill. Are you okay? Mr. Clerk. On the motion to pass Bill 39 draft to on first reading. Councilmember Galimba. Aye. Councilmember Houston. Aye. Councilmember Coguata. No. Councilmember Codney Lee Kleinfeldr. Aye. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Aye. Councilmember Kimball. Aye. Councilmember Reggaes. Aye I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time. I'll see you next time chair back to cheering up a sure I'll take care of our announcement section We're looking to council member Houston's anything today Sure, I head Just just a couple Well, first of all, I want to you know, we have the Visitor Island chairewock this weekend in the Waikel Resort community. So an exciting event for the community, supporting nonprofits across the island, put on via a resort industry there. This evening, one of the challenges that we have across West Hawaii is our unexplored ordinance. That kind of impact a lot of our housing initiatives and other challenges. If you're interested in those sort of discussions, there is the White Claw Manoeuvre area restoration advisory board happening tonight in White Claw. Otherwise, you're welcome to join myself and Councilmember Kimball along with Representative Tarnas and Senator Richards doing a town hall series across the district. Had a great conversation with Senator Richards, Representative Tarnas, and Representative Loan in the White Kloat community last night, and kind of continuing this conversation, especially as the state legislature has adjourned for their session this spring. So trying to bring them into the community and share about the work that they've been doing on behalf of all of us. So look forward to seeing the community out there and our partners, so Mahaloalo, thank you, Chair. Thank you, Councilmember Hustis, Councilmember Vegas. Yeah, I just wanna give a shout out to the advocates and strong and diligent people working to help to protect our immigrant community. My phone's been blowing up all day. I want to honor and acknowledge those that continue to remain vigilant with support and advocating for legal, due process and procedure and a state that I myself personally and professionally take deeply concerned, frustrated, and saddened by what's happening in District 7 and District 6. And I believe in District 8 today, to the families and the friends of the families, to the teachers, to the boy who should be in a corner line classroom preparing to graduate, but is now in a Texas detention center. I call out to all of you and say, remain vigilant, our community stands with you. This may not be appropriate, but I'm saying it anyway, I yield. Thank you, Council Member V. I guess, Council Member Kimble. Yes, thank you. I just wanted to remind everybody that Honoka, Western Week starts on May 17th with the parade and block party. And then there are events all that week from cookoffs to music, to storytelling events. So encourage everyone to spend a little time up in beautiful Hanukkah and participate in those activities. Thank you. Thank you. And with that, that brings us to the end of our agenda. Our meeting today is adjourned at 1255 Mahalo members and all to the public, for joining in Aloha.