you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you I'd like to welcome everybody to the next slide. I'm going to start with the next slide. I'm going to start with the next slide. I'm going to start with the next slide. I'm going to start with the next slide. I'm going to start with the next slide. I'm going to start everybody to the meeting of the East Naples Bay Advisory Committee where we're here to talk about the project that we have going on in the area. With that, I'd like to go to the first item that we're going to talk about today, which is the swearing in of a new member. Good morning, Mr. Rosenberg. The FEC clerk. Recently, the City Council took action to appoint a new member. Maria Mayor, please stand up. And raise your right hand. Repeat after me. I and then say your name. I, Maria Mayor. Solomly, swear or affirm. Ma, solemnly swear or affirm. solemnly swear or affirm. That I will support the Constitution. That I will support the Constitution. I will uphold the laws of the United States. I will uphold the laws of the United States. And the state of Florida. And the state of Florida. That I will, and I'll respect. That I will, and I'll respect. Observe the provisions of the charter and ordinances of the city of Naples and ordinances of the city of Naples. I will perform the duties and I will Please, Nathan's Bay, advise a read committee. Is that correct? Very good. Thank you. Congratulations. We're going to start with the call to order. Or are we going to do that? I'll leave the roll. Excuse me? I don't need the roll call now. OK. OK. Vice Chair Greg. Okay. Okay. Vice Chair Greg. Here. Member Maher. Here. Member Milkowski. Here. Member Renaldi. Here. Alternate member Shanahan. Absent. Chair Hayberg. Here. Thank you. Okay folks, I have an announcement I would like to switch two items on the agenda if we can do that. I'd like to switch number five discussion of C-wall with nine project update. Lou has some other, Lou will have to leave early. So I'd like to switch those two presentations. And if that is okay. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Then I would like to call Matt up to do the project update. Good morning, Matthew, StanTech Consulting Services. Here's this morning to give an update on the Dredging Project. Here's a picture on the screen of the Quality Enterprise's Rock Barge and Excavator cutting rock in Canal W. So since we've met last time, quality enterprises has finished up in Canal A. That was 100% complete on July 31st. And as well as Haldeman Creek that was finished earlier this year, back in February. So after Canal A was complete, quality enterprises moved up to the north to Canal W, which is between Blue Point and Chesapeake Avenue. They've been working in there since early August. Right now they're still using the staging area at the end of Curlou for the offloading of material from W and maintenance of equipment. In Canal W, quality enterprises has about a week of grinding left, and they will start the excavation of the ground up rock and sediment next week sometime. They will be in there for about two weeks working. So this is what the canal looks like completed at the current time. The green areas on the map are the completed canals where there isn't a sediment to remove. The template is already below minus five. I mean low water. The orange canals are where QE still has to go to complete the project. This figure is available on the project website and is updated as canals are completed. When we look at Kiwi's schedule, don't let the numbers scare you here. As of this week, we're on week 52 of 94, which is about 55% of the contract time, based on the surveyed volume and material removed or 29% through the project. Bear in mind, Canal W has over 31% of the material in the project. So in two weeks, we'll be about 60% done based on volume and 60% done based on time. So Kiwi looks to be pretty much on schedule once W is completed in a few weeks here. I don't have any other slides after this except questions, but wanted to open it up to Lou in case there was anything he wanted to add at this time. No, okay. Yeah, I had a question on the most northern canal that's up by Naples Bay Resort. Can you tell me what's remaining to be done up there? There's a little over 200 yards of rock in that canal to be done. And I believe that is one of the last canal double D to south Naples Bay Resort. And that's going to be the the last canal that that QE goes into for the project Yeah, I Have a little concern over that because half of the most northern people on that canal are actually not in the taxing district And have really underfunded what they should have paid for The work that needed to be done in that canal. So the idea that we're doing it last is good, but I do have a concern about that. So if you remember back to 2021 when Greg Strackleus was here, he negotiated a payment from Naples Bay Resort. Yes, it was really a low payment because we knew that that was it was heavy rock. It was 50% of the canal 173,000 dollars came from Naples, Bay resort and 173,000 came from the homeowners on the south side. So it was exactly 5050 I'd like to ask a question about the terminology here. When we say complete, does that mean that we have independently verified that the ones that you call complete measure out on width and depth? Yes, they meet the tolerances that the city has given to QE for depth and width. They've been verified by Santa. Yes, they've been verified by Santa. I get by Morgan and Eccleon this year. was given to QE for depth and width. It was a verified bush. I took a question. Yes, they've been verified by Stantag and by Morgan and Eccleon this sort of error. Yes. Quick question for QE, Gary Gregg here. It's not a long one. Lou, you may not even need to get up. Is the volume of material in double W, meet your expectations and what was expected in terms of where you are, is it what you expected? Is it a lot of volume? Correct, it was 1,000 five cubic yards. And a lot of that is rock. It's very much rock. Very heavy is rock. Yeah, okay. And we're finding the same thing. The northern canals, just like in the beginning, the density of the rock is really. I have a dock right there, so I'm quite familiar with. It's hard rock. What it takes to get through there to put pylings in, which I've replaced three times at this point. Yeah. We've, I think, as Matt mentioned, he was on the job the other day, and he could just see us bouncing around on the X-Cover area. I mean, it's really tough. But they're getting through it. What's the status of the staging area? As of right now, nothing has changed. I do not believe they have gotten a building permit for the house shut. So it's, I think it's one of those instances where we don't ask, we haven't heard anything, so we're just going to continue using it until we do. So keeping our fingers crossed that, yeah, we can continue using it. I'll hit the red button, not the blue button. So WW last before the E&E event was reported at 75% done and then we had E&E and now it's been actually going on two and a half months. It started July 8th. So all of July, August, two months, and here we are into September, three months. So what changed from your original projections that it was 75% prior to Ian to where it's going on three months? And then it's 50% or something changed I don't know There was additional sediment that came into canal W during Ian. That's why the volume goes that's not rock No, not rock and When they're in their dredging before, they had only cut a couple hundred feet of the 1800 feet, like 1800 feet of canal. So they were probably more like 20% done before E.M. OK, so there. And I understand accuracy is not hand grenades are better than darts in this case. I get that. But that was a big shift. So and it added It's like I said, it's over two months. It started July 8th. So And the expected completion for WWE is so we should be done grinding this week is what we're anticipating and then we'll be digging and we've got about two weeks of digging All right, so I had to move my boat out of the canal and it's been out. It's okay. Over at the Naples City dock. I'm not complaining. But that brings me back to the Curlou Avenue canal, which is again a North canal and supposedly heavily rocked. And what's your estimate? Because the timeline's not in your favor. It's been the same thing since we've started this job. It's very difficult to predict how long it's going to take. Yeah, because of the density of the rock. When we moved on towards the southern canals, the rock was a lot softer and we ate through it a lot quicker. It's very difficult for us to say how long it's gonna take. I mean, we make a guesstimate as to what it's gonna take, but it really depends on the density that we find when we get there. And maybe just to piggyback on loose comment there too. Canal WW, it's over 1,000 yards. Canal WD by Naples Berry's or it's around 250. So, W there are now, it has four times as much material as double. Okay. So something to consider when you're trying to balance the numbers. I've watched you guys out there work, they're working hard, there's no question that they're doing a great job. It's just the timeline issue should DD become a WW by some chance that your timelines are going to get blown. Listen, I get it. And then we're back here talking again and you don't want to. I get it. I get it. But it's like I said, it's difficult to predict how long it's going to take. We know it can be done. It's just a matter of how fast I can move through it. Okay. All right. I have a question that I'd like to ask. I notice that on one of the prior slides that the southern ends of the canal that is a long tarp and road, that that was dredged apparently it's in orange. That's an area two. That's an area still to be dredged. I can't hear you. Can that the items in orange, they are still to be dredged. They have not been dredged yet. So the orange area is the QE is still going to go back to. All right. Yeah. So the target depth was five feet. Is that mean low or mean low low? That's in five feet mean low water Mean low watt correct You know, I'd like to make a comment having been with this project ever since its inception. I'm very pleased with the progress It's not refreshing to see progress. Yeah. And for sure, it is for you also. This point, we just want to get it done. And if anybody wants to buy a used excavator one, this job is for you. You could probably have it for free. Because it's not going to be working. It's not going to be working. Anything I can tell you that. I can't be a list because it's calm right now. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. Any other questions about this? Okay. Thank you guys. Thank you. Okay. I appreciate the support of that out. No problem. So we kind of set the agenda earlier. So do we have any public comments? Okay. Ready for the approval of minutes? I think a motion to approve the minutes as they were submitted. Okay, I second it. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Okay. We're ready for the Seawall presentation and we don't really have a presentation per se and the minutes from the last meeting, you know, there were some questions asked about construction practices of seawalls and stuff. So I invited the Building Department Director to have a discussion with you. And that way if you had any questions, he's here to answer them. Good morning, Steve Beckman, building director, city of Naples. Also, serve as the building official. So I guess I'm open for any questions you have, about sea walls. I had asked to have this go on the agenda because they've been building a home next to me for the past three years. I've been to the building department for five times, mostly because of sediment that's flowing into the canal during the construction project. So that's why I brought it up. I would estimate that there was maybe five to six yards of field dirt that went into the canal during the process. What it made me do is take a look at what's occurring. And I needed to make sure, I'd like to make sure since we're spending so much money to dredge the canals, that the building department has their eyes on the issues that are important to make sure that we don't get more sediment into the canal during storm conditions as well as construction. What happened on my property is I have an old seawall. The new seawall comes in at approximately two feet taller and then they have a return of eight feet that's required by code. I think that that's great and that's good. But the problem is that at the end of the eight feet, you're still up substantially, at least with this build that's next to me, still about 20 inches. So they put up a self fence and you require that. But I question number one, the inspections that occur because I understand that third parties do them and maybe they're not that thorough or they get too close to the contractors. The other issue is if you have a great difference, it should be required in the site plan that the builder has to do some type of retaining feature because if we had a flood like we had last time with Ian all of that dirt just rushes right into the canal so I wanted to make sure that your processes included from the beginning and the your site plan is not not approved without some type of notation on there that requires a full retaining wall feature. I don't think the sea wall needs to go further, but some type of retaining wall feature with silt fence, rock, or maybe the aboard wall or maybe the stacked blocks that they do for retaining walls could be useful. I saw the original site plan that was done and it did not have any requirements. So when I contacted the builder about the problem, he says, oh, that's your problem. You want a wall, you got to pay for it. I said, no way. So that's when I went to Tommy several times. And he was quite helpful, got the site plan changed. But it made me wonder, how did it get approved in the first place? Because I'm not the only one within our community that has a situation where you have a big difference in height. So I can comment a little bit on you know what the process is So to start with see walls are not regulated under the Florida building codes There's nothing in the codes Building codes that speak to how a wall is constructed or what not except for the fact that it should be engineered to serve its purpose as a retaining wall. That's what it's designed for. Really the only requirements that speak to it besides on the planning and zoning side as far as heights and such is how a contractor is supposed to maintain their project site. So we have requirements in Chapter 16 of our local ordinances that speak to construction site management. Use of silt fences, fences, how someone takes care of their site where they store materials and things like that. The inspection process is, again, seawalls are not regulated under Florida building codes, so our inspection is primarily to see that it's put where it is supposed to be put, which shows up on the survey. They confirm the height of it, and you know, there there's you know the inspections of of it being built or just that it matches the Approved plan for engineering wise what the cap looks like where the tiebacks are etc As with any construction site we're not there every day to monitor what might happen day by day as it happens I mean there's times when a silt fence may fail or silt escapes the property whether it be into a side yard neighbor's property the street what have you. When we're aware of it we get with the contractor to address it but we're not on site every day to monitor and watch day by day as construction happens. We do rely a lot on the citizens to let us know when they see it. And when we see it, we address it. But like I said, our job, the building department's job, statutorily, is to issue permits in spec for compliance with the codes. And then we come out when we're called for inspection That's our role so and of course on this on the Compliance side if if anybody reports to us that there's an issue with silk like I said escaping Then you know not being contained as it's required we will come out and address it and have, you know, require them to do what our local ordinances require. If they fail to do that, we'd shut the job down, stop, you know, or take whatever actions necessary to gain compliance. But when, like I said, when we were made aware of issues, we do address them to make sure that they're complying with our local ordinance requirements. Right. Any other requirements as far as what else should go along with a sea wall or retaining wall? I mean you know the ordinances are our job is to enforce them. We don't write them and I don't you know I can't require people to do certain things unless that's what's codified in our local I'm not questioning how the seawalls are being built. I think they're doing a good job a Lot of them have been replaced in Royal Harbor when I'm questioning is Beyond the return okay when you have a difference in height Why was the site plan approved with a 20-inch difference without some notation or requirement of further retaining wall feature? So it's beyond the eight foot return where the problem occurs, and that's where the five to six yards of fill ended up in the canal. So that needs to be in your processes, and that's within your preview. When you go to review the site plan that who's ever doing that and approving the site plan should be put making sure there's a note on there retaining while required if the difference is blank. Well, I think that the do that as a job for you know stormwater how stormwater is is to be maintained And then at some point exit the property so there are The ways to address that that aren't necessarily I mean or retaining wall Maybe this solution in some cases for for some conditions in other cases not Right, but we got to keep a line people are building to the setback line So they only have seven and a half feet. So they really can't make up a difference of 23 inches and still be able to walk and have a level area. So what the guys are doing is pulling their dirt out, but they're still 23 inches and Sandy dirt isn't going to hold it. Now, a wise builder, Greenwald, does a great job in our neighborhood. He puts in rock with a sediment fence and carries it back until you're basically level with the next door neighbor. That should be a requirement on the site plan and it was not there. I was really surprised that it was not there on the original site plan. Now, you guys, in the office, Tommy and Eddie Bliss, I talked with him too, really helpful and they got the plan and went to the builder and told them that he had to do it. So that part was good. My point is it should be done up front. We still have a lot more seawalls in our East Naples Bay district. There are going to be raised as the new construction occurs. And when we have a flood like we had in Ian, I lived through it. I was in my house. I saw what occurred. I mean the rush of water when the tide goes out is pretty incredible. It's like a river flowing between the houses. So we have to make sure that when the site plans come to your department and they're being approved that they get a notation on there that says if the elevation differences blank you must put in a retaining wall until it reaches blank. I'm sorry. I was just going to say, you know, again say, again, it's not my place to require things that aren't codified and I can't, we're not in a position to design and direct how something should get built. Now if there is an issue that we're seeing, that's an issue. If there's, if there's... You have to follow the requirements and I'm saying you need a requirement. Let me say that, as we're working through this process, you've brought this to our attention and we're going through our comprehensive plan changes during the next year. We're going to be going through city code changes once that's completed. So I mean this gives us an opportunity to revisit that. So we're going to be making code changes. So at that time, we can make sure that those are addressed. This issue is addressed because I understand what you're saying. And this may become even more of an issue if any of the seawall heights get changed during studies for resilience and stuff. So it's something that we can take into advice. We work with the building department and the planning department, natural resources, to work towards a good solution for this. But we need to have the time to work. You brought it to our attention and now we need to have the time to put the supporting documents in place to help this. If I could add to that, like you said, we do our best that when we go out to a site and we see a condition as you're describing, which I would agree there are things as we start to look at raising seawalls that now come into play that we haven't seen in the past because we haven't been raising seawalls. But as we, on case by case and site by site basis, we go out to the site and we see there's a number of different issues that we face with this. We do our best to work with the builder or the contractor to come up with solutions and and see where you know what we can do to get to a point where we can approve and be able to address the matter. Another issue that we run into often is when you've got that elevated return wall and you've got a neighbor with a pool barrier, that's a life safety requirement for protecting a pool. You're supposed to have a minimum of a 48-inch tall barrier. Now you've got a two-foot tall wall right in front of that fence, and now you no longer have a compliant barrier. So that owner has created an unsafe condition for his neighbor. Neighbor has not done anything. Now all of a sudden, he's got a pool barrier that is not in compliance with the life safety pool barrier requirements. So when we see these different things happening with these elevated seawalls, we go out and we try to put our heads together, the best we can to work with the contractor and the owner to come up with solutions. But you know, when you start elevating one property at a time next to a lower property, you run into some challenges that we have to address. And then again, it takes a little bit of time to work through, you know, what are the options and what should we require because, you know, not all properties are the same and sometimes when you have a requirement that can help one person it may hurt another. So we just have to have time to work through what are the options and how do we handle these things that we come up with. But we appreciate you bringing it to our attention and like I said when anybody sees something like this, we do appreciate the call and want to be able to come out and see what we can do to address it. Can I ask? It's a good point that you raised. And sometimes you raise these points at meetings, and then they can get lost within the midst of all the different meetings. Would you be able to come back to us and let us know that the planning department are considering this or are looking at it. So we know it's not got lost that they, that when they're going to do their changes, it has been put under consideration. So as part of our resilience efforts, we, one of the projects that is going to Council tomorrow is a study of the sea walls and determining what we need for resilience within the city and to see what we can do. What is an acceptable practice elsewhere in the state and that type of thing. So we are going to be going through that exercise because that's going to contribute information to the comprehensive plan and to the city code changes that are coming up. So, you know, we are following through that because it's actually going to be a separate project that we're going to be pursuing. I just wonder if somebody is actually considering the points that you put forward, so I understand that. So it might be worth a quick note to City Council members just to make them aware of that. But it's just sometimes I do know that we don't, we've come up with some really good suggestions and ideas and things that need to be done, but it's the follow-through to see. So that will be just a good update for us to know, because I know we don't always follow every single meeting that's going as it goes along. So just one leave, we could feed back on that. Well, we won't have results of the study for a long time. Until next summer, I think. Next late spring summer. So we'll be doing updates to council regularly, starting in January. And I can kind of put that information out there. But until the study is complete, I can't. I think you bring up an excellent point. And I have been on this committee for a number of years along with Martin. And one of the things that we did find out that we're best off if there's something specific to actually make a motion. And then it goes in the record. Because your comments are 100% right. Now I had made a motion originally and then that brought Steve to us today. So that's how that got documented. But the idea of getting communication to Council so that they can be aware for the future, that's not a bad idea. So I'm not sure how we should accomplish that. But I do find that Natalie has been very responsive to us and really great and Steve's people, when I went over there, had to go four times because the builder is new and he's pretty bad. I'm a former licensed contractor, so I'm really sensitive to it. But your guys were great there. Tommy and the other people at the front desk are really good. Thank you. Just a comment before we move on. It's actually kind of shocking that either the state doesn't have a code on sea walls but that's just beside the point. But clearly what we learned to need, and I'm sure in other storms, you're only as good as you're worth seawall. It just becomes a funnel. And as we go through this process with the resilience, and the problem is, and you see it with the, say, take the construction code in terms of elevation, just for your first floor elevation, which changed I don't know, three or four, whatever it was, the huge difference between, you know, as we saw in the end, six foot elevation versus nine foot, or 13 feet, whatever that could be. And you can just saw all the lower houses, the higher houses pushed all the water into the lower houses, and they got even more water. And so there's this real problem of common solution. And you can't force somebody who's spent thousands of dollars to raise their seawall. But I imagine that the resilience, so here we are really our responsibility is for the canals and so forth. But I think we need to recognize and go on the record. We're only going to be as good as our worst canal, as our worst sea wall. It doesn't matter if you have a line of houses, and all of them have a, you know, I don't know what the code, we do, six, seven, eight foot sea walls or whatever the heck they are. The ones with the old sea walls, the water's just going to run through all the material in there anyway. It happens to be a construction situation that you're talking about, but forget about a construction situation. All the debris, all the stuff is gonna go end up in the canal. It's gonna come from the worst sea wall. Anyway, it's a big issue. It's certainly something that I think we need to follow, but I'm not sure what we can do about the fact that we have thousands of sea walls that need to be raised over the next 10 to 15 years. So just a comment. If I can, I'll comment real quick on. So, you know, this all goes hand in hand with a lot of things. Use of fill is one of them that, you know, I'm also the floodplain administrator for the city. So, you know, our ordinance requires that we manage the use of fill. And depending on what area you may be in, there's different requirements as opposed ordinance requires that we manage the use of fill and Depending on what area you may be in there's different requirements as opposed if you're in you know See where to CCCL you're on the beach. There's very strict requirements for what you can and can't do it fill and You know again depending on what other area in town you are Fills kind of like a double-edged sword you you need it for some reasons, and it's very important for some reasons, and on another side, if you use too much or don't use it properly, it can cause other problems. So it's something that has to be looked at in a big picture look, right? So just to mention all those things kind of go hand in hand, and then it also, I think it would also challenges the situation is is you have individual properties owned by individual people with individual property rights that you know all come into play also and so how do you deal with an older low property you know elevations are required to go up we try to manage the best we can that we're doing that in keeping with the neighborhood and the streets and the roads and again the whole big picture. Code has required that first floor elevations go up but we don't necessarily or won't necessarily allow someone to pick their garage up as high as they want to because obviously that will affect requiring more fill and how the whole neighborhood looks. So it is all kind of looked at as a big picture and something that has to be dealt with on a big picture kind of basis too. And it is something that's on our radar and we are trying to work through it. It's just there's a lot of moving parts and that is just one of the smaller cogs and the moving parts in the sense of we have the comprehensive plan changes and then code changes. So, you know, as we work through the process, we'll definitely be looking at it. I don't know if it's going to be six months from now, though, that we're going to have any kind of answer. It's probably going to be more like a year from now. We might have an answer or at least a direction that we can go in. So I mean I can keep you updated. I do all the resilience efforts in the city or most of the resilience efforts I have a finger in. So you know if you during any of the meetings if you have a question about any of the resilience efforts you know feel free to ask. Quick one point it might be slightly off the beat, but because we're talking about construction and there's an awful lot of new construction going to be moving forward and it has been moving forward at such a pace now, it could be that within the processes of the construction that the building department can look at those issues and find that there is somewhere within that particular code that we have now that they can address things. So sometimes if you've got run-off and you've got other issues, they can come under that for inspection purposes and for checking on certain things. They might not be a particular Florida rule, but our local code may in some way cover some of the issues that you've raised. I don't know, like we just were asking within the building department when they look at the processes before the survey and other things that's going on, because it's a long time until we get that information back. And I just wonder if we're missing something. I think that's a great point. Yes. I think there's, you know, a new development or a project site that is being rebuilt and it's completely being redeveloped is, you know, one thing to consider. Then you also may have someone that comes in to just read does their seawall. Maybe they just do a new seawall and they do a dock. So the work is limited to just that. Those two are different animals with different challenges. And we have to consider all that, obviously. When you're looking at a new home being built on a site, it requires stormwater, there's stormwater requirements that we met. You know, our current codes don't allow you to drain your water off on, or your sediment off onto the neighboring properties. That's supposed to be all engineered and designed to work. And you do have the point, maybe where in between where you tear the building down and you're starting to develop that site where fencing, how they're going to do their runoff in the meantime. And so right from the beginning, we do require that they manage that. And again, there are some contractors better than others. There are some that fail. There are some that get it right all the time. But we have to, when we're aware of something going sideways, we'll step into do what we can to get them back on track. But yeah, I think with this particular contractor, he's brand new. He needs to be watched very closely. He makes a tremendous number of errors, not just with the site work. Every window opening had to be saw cut. That took two months. It was a disaster. It's unfortunate. So I do have one quick comment during Lerma way back. There were two properties on Canal W.W. or Chesapeake, whatever you want to call it. They had lower sea walls. And what happened there, because there's a surge, there's a water comes, it looks for its out, and it finds the lower sea wall, turns that into a river, and those two locations totally took the sea walls out. So they had to rebuild sea walls in both locations. One built it higher, for the obvious reason. And the other one was kind of like a riffraff stone. So I was just curious as to your thoughts on the difference between those types of, in other words, keep, I'm going to build mine higher than yours. So now you're going to, you know, that kind of thing. But the riffraff looked like a good alternate as well. I mean, what are your thoughts on those two differences? This might be a better question for Natalie and answer. I mean, you know, there are many different ways to build a sea wall. There's a lot of different materials and methods on the, you know, that are being utilized today from the sheet pile type vinyl sheet pile concrete walls, rip wrap depending on the area depending on how it might affect species that are in the water. There are pros and cons to each of them. I mean, environmentally we like rip wrap better because there's a lot more you know niches and stuff for creatures and you know animals to live so we do prefer rip wrap but in areas where seawalls are you know the standard it's unmanmade canals especially now if you're out on one of the natural waterway you are required to put rip wrap even if you put a sea wall in you're required to put rip wrap out in front of the sea wall To provide those habitats and to help for wave attenuation and that type of thing. It looks a lot nicer to yeah, so I think You know, I have one question that I'd like to ask. And it's unrelated to the items that you talked to here. The new house is being built in the Royal Harbor earlier. It's my understanding the gutters on that house are to flow into the stormwater retention tank and then be dispersed accordingly. Why is it that we have, when we have new houses built on the canal that the gutter, the water going into the gutter doesn't allow it to flow directly into the canal. So as I mentioned a few minutes ago, the new construction requires that you have a storm water system that's engineered to address storm water for that property. And it really comes down to how that system is designed and engineered as to what it's supposed to do. I don't know how many different ways they might, you know, engineer a storm water system to work, but there are more than one. So I do know that that is reviewed and approved by our storm water department as to, you know, if it meets the standards or not, and in that review there's requirements again depending on the area, neighborhood, what have you is to where that water is supposed to go when it does exit the property. That's not an area that's my expertise, that's the stormwater department. Sometimes it exits front and back. Sometimes it exits just the front. Sometimes it exits the back or a canal or it varies depending on where you're at. But again I'm really not the person to answer the stormwater related questions for the area. Well you know maybe you can ask the question when you get back to your office, why that's the case, because I think what we're doing is, by allowing the water that's in the gutters to go into the stormwater retention system that we're overloading these systems in the Royal Harbor area. And it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me because eventually, once that water goes into the stormwater system, that tank is emptied by the tide's pumping the water out of that tank when it goes up and down. So I think that's something to look at. Well, I mean, the stormwater rules just went into effect just a couple years ago. So I mean, those are new rules that they're following and they're required to follow. So I mean the only one who can really answer that would be a storm water person. Okay are we? Just one other building inspection. Is she with the storm water system? You know the system is put in early on in the site work stage. And then typically a builder would cover the access points so that a silt cannot go into that during the construction process. Greenwald, I'll bring him up because he does a great job. He'll have long extensions on those ports into the storm water system that is way above the site work. This contractor that was next to me cut them off, put the grates on right at the get go, and of course the whole system is just full of dirt. So our inspectors should never have allowed that to occur. Basically, they put a piece of silk material about the size of this paper on top of the grate. And somehow, we pass the inspection. Never should have been able to pass with that. So that's something if you could get to the people that are doing the inspections. And that's something that when you wait. When you see that, you know, we need to be made aware of those types of situations. Yeah, I like it. I'm like you said, there's obviously builders out there that don't have best practices or don't, you know, do well with best practices and may make a mistake like that. But what I do know is that your inspectors to stay on top of that issue. So what I'd be important. Sure. What I do know is, again, the storm water department is a different department than mine. But I do know the storm water inspectors when they go out and look at these systems. They are checking to make sure that they're not full of silt and that they're not full of silt and that they're not, I mean, if something like that happens and it feels full of silt, that contractor is going to probably be doing it over again, I mean, or getting the silt out or something so that I know at the end of the project when that, or at each inspection point in the process, the inspectors are looking for compliance with the requirements. So, yes, as you've seen, there's mistakes that builders make along the way that, you know, there's not much we can do to stop someone from making a mistake that's, you know, during the day, we catch it after it's done because, you know, again, they're doing it when we're not there. But when we do show up for inspection something's incorrect we will require it to be corrected. If you could make sure your third party inspection people are aware to watch for that because it's a problem. So we don't have third party inspection people that are doing stormwater inspections. I'm not aware of I think it's just the city inspectors that do stormwater. Correct. Okay. There are, as far as on the building side, there are private inspection companies that are hired by an owner to do inspections that I have no control over and cannot require, I can't add to requirements that are state law. And I don't know if we're talking about the same inspectors. If you're talking about storm water, we're talking about city storm water inspectors. Building inspectors aren't out inspecting storm water systems. Okay. Okay. Are we ready to move to the next? We're going next to it. Okay, so we have the budget review review and this will be the third quarter. Our next meeting we will have the full approved budget that was, the full documents for the budget that was approved. Okay. Is there any? Next one. Okay. The next one, our next meeting is on December 17th. So we'll be seeing you in December right before Christmas. And then is there any member comments? No member comments? OK. Well, that'll let you take the honors of the final. Unless you have something Gary. Just make a motion to adjourn. OK. All seconded. All in one favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. you