Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. you just see an area back and we're going to read. And Debbie, the on the well, Ms. Downs, can you please identify your remote location and reason for participation by electronic names? Yes, I'm in New Orleans, Louisiana on personal travel. I'm going to this be counsel approved for electronic participation by Laura Downs and the meeting for personal travel reasons pursuant to the city council's adopted policy. Also, I met. Miss Collin. Yes. Ms. Ms. Ms Yes. Miss Underville. Yes. Mayor Erty. Yes. Great. Morning, everybody. I don't think I'll note. As a lead up to the March 24th budget presentation. I'll help. As we discussed you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you it will be kind of new money, new initiatives, one exception of putting more money to some paving, that sort of basic payments. But I would like to, you know, just sort of thinking about the opportunity that the budget presents that direction for the coming year. One other new inject is that the community surveys complete and they are now processing the data. It's fast. It was fast and they do, they have a whole thing, move pretty quickly. But it's not scheduled here, but we would like to get it on the schedule and on the other four march 24th for the council to see what the community had to say and then surveys 400 people that were interviewed. What's the following methodologies that render it has physical significance. So so window into priorities, the community, I think the castle might find helpful as we get into budget decision. So we'll talk about it with Provost Dean, we'll give you a good time to that. We need to be in page of that March 17th procession. March 3rd, so government operations. We are going to reschedule that once again. One of our key staff members is under the weather. So even the certain informal and over station idea. I'd like to reschedule that as well. I'm talking about it with Debbie and Aaron. Yesterday we had talked about doing that on next Wednesday, just let's not kick it out too far. But next Wednesday is ask the council. And so there's the kind of weight on the Wednesday. Bottom line is we will find a date as soon as possible for that kind of discussion. We will be talking about process improvements and about the permanent. I expect that as well on terms of maybe intact. The office. Thank you very much. We're just talking about go vibes. Next Wednesday, which is the date we talked about is also that as the council dates, so we just need to think about that. So yeah, after asked the council, just stack and tie them up. If you get a ton of talking, it's me. Yeah, I've got a meeting at 10 that is our premier piece of cake. We'll head to that. So March 3rd work session, there's what we're looking at. One, the affordable living policy staff is working that through committees before the council of actually formally refer it to the planning commission. They have asked that we have that deferral happen in April as opposed to starting on March 3rd. So that would be a visual time request. And sorry, that's okay. Going to plan mission. Yes, so the next action for the city council to take on the 4 of 11 policy is to refer it. Formally to the planning commission council was adopted and initiating resolution, which laid out a schedule. But the, when you refer to the planning commission, you want a document that you feel pretty comfortable with and we're on the right track with it. And I think, and working with the housing commission, I think they'd like to watch on. Okay, so they asked you on for 21 is then to recommend refer out assuming that we're in agreement with that plan commission that's what you're saying. Yeah. One is that we're excited to view review it on the one and then to make that action for 28. Sorry late and catching up. Thank you. So, thanks to work on on the third and pedestrian protection ordinance, firearms, ordinance, law of easement vacation, a series of consent calendar previews. And a closed session on legal advice with respect to these sponsorship for city employees, Chicago, internal Toronto workforce policy question. The March 10th regular meeting thing, we'll talk about the two proclamations. We'll talk about the missing links sidewalk plan, the economic development authority will be there, it will be there to present their annual report. Potentially an action on H1V sponsorship policy following that closed session. First reading on the two ordinances, we've described for pedestrian protection, to the firearms ASSOT hockey Eastman vacation, and then a work session on accessory dwellings. This would be where you would hear the planning commissions recommendations, and now have a month-thirty process of planning commission recommendations and final action on accessory dwellings on April 14th. Motion on the low sculpture, and then the three consent items. The March 17th work session, Fairfax County sewer capacity, person's agreement and a scooping discussion on an amendment to this adding to the respect to the tree canopy minimums. March 24th, a proclamation equal payday, initiating resolution for the zoning code of mental tree canopy. And then we will be joined by the school board to present the F-24 for both budgets, setting up reading the two ordinances we just discussed. We've been getting into budget season so the April 3rd we have our first budget town hall. April 7th we have a budget work session with the focus on the capital improvements program, fine review of sewer capacity purchase agreement. We have a budget finance committee on April 11th. We don't have any more than some margin. Budget finance, that's correct. Yeah. I can send out the, they've laid out a schedule for the year or she said by quarterly meeting. Yeah, that was... You said? Yeah, hearing something, an invitation, so that's what you liked it. Yeah. Yeah. April 14th joined by the Planning Commission for their annual report, first reading on the budget, CIP ordinances and a verse reading on the tax and fee ordinance. Final consideration of accessory dwellings. So before it's big night, second reading on the sidewalk, you can go to the foretaste. Laura, are you in time for spring break? Are you calling in? I know we talked about. I'll be here for, we're leaving on Tuesday, so I'll be there on Monday. Okay, thank you. April 21st, Budget Work Session, Government Operations and Strategic Priorities. I will review the auditing traditional agreement, the resounding for Chenner Hill and Southgate residential properties, and view the political policy. I'm going to be standing for an employee in the year. should now get April 24th at 7pm. That's right on the second budget town hall. And go box on the April 23rd. April 28th. Public service recognition week. mission week, the Week, the year, Public Hearing on the Budget, WebOps and government operations and strategic priorities review, some budget work session, action on the Perfect County Super Purchase Agreement, and furlough of the affordable living policies in the planning and the ships. Final action on the far left accounting division. The May this works definitely the final markup on the budget. May 12, the final action budget. And in the back sidestarts, our own judicial agreement, in terms of when you'll know what financial factor is, just because obviously that's an effective budget between the fire 11% and his unknown, maybe it's just known to me that you already have all that information about the budget impacts are to the judicial agreement the. They change his fiscal impact wise on the traditional agreement. It's great. The buyer service with the agreement, which I've not plugged in here yet. I need to that does have financial and that has. Yeah, we've seen that already. That like you know that we've learned that we're still. I'm negotiating over it. So that's why it's not come to the city council yet. We've had to get things plugged in. We have killed you. I know the council. The Arlington's desire is that we have a. Do amended in granted by the beginning of this year. But the budget is kind of reflect in terms of that in grant. Well, it's the last time you're being questioned. It's 2014, I believe. So for 10 years after. Nobody said the next 10, so we'll know our next 10 very. Yes. But they have collected bargaging for three years or that impacts us, that's part of the reason. So this is another where there's an external collective bargaining agreement that then impacts our vision. And what do people have? I do want to talk further about we have a PC meeting tomorrow, tonight, that's night seven and nine, just about, in terms of financial impacts and budget impacts, like original purpose stated that it was to reflect and review what rates were paying. And if we're talking about solid waste, a solid waste or compost coming to discussion with the PC crew, the state has them, you know, since we talked about it, I run through my mind that are we asking them to contribute to that discussion debate? Are those space already in your budget? Somewhat set. So solid waste is not, it was not the vision to be part of the utilities portfolio. And it only is because of the water, even though the water downstream. So that's the sewer. When we rechartered it, it was stormwater and sewer in Stippova. So they were separate funds that we would need from even on. Plus, that stormwater projects an organization, but I'm inviting them to come join a sewer discussion or I guess I'm just looking for some feedback on discussion topics. They're not on the agenda as this morning, but I'm going to have to run that to talk about. Um. That's about a second. Let me budget oriented related, but that was. My understanding was. Okay. Um, that's that was a let me budget oriented related, but that was my understanding what's the difference charter was taking through that and make sure that we use any prepared and asking for residents who are participating their feedback as wanted for me to. Two wings of spade,inch estate sewer and stormwater rights to go up in the special. I know we raised it last time with CPI. We do anticipate having CPI adjustment. And we're also looking into a drainage fixture unit to ensure again in addition to the availability fee. Glad you're on the floor. That sounds like a better house with six toilets probably has a lot more storage than two bedroom apartments. So that's some of those great issues that we're looking for. I mean, that's probably a topic that the PUC should be briefed on. Yeah. And aware of like, hey, here's some different jurisdictions, levy, sewer, and stormwater fees. Here's how we do it. Here's pros and cons of that. And then that's a really great place to get resident input, right? I don't think I didn't know about DFUs until I learned about it. Well, that's really, I think that's clearly a more equitable way of loving, making sure people pay for their actual cost. I don't know what the PC is aware of that. Vietnam's the best day of all. About those grades, or just the sewer, I believe you're just the agreement that we're dealing with in the spring. So I'm trying to tell all my questions to you. So that would be envisioned to be in the portfolio of the PUC is to, you know, what, to me, the way it works well is staff is doing the technical work on it. And the PUC is there, is a hopeful sounding board in terms of what rate payers, how they would view it. And you know, how the community would view these things. So what staff member is responsible for suggesting to you all what rates should be and financially who does that math and what's that the same staff or supporting you piece by or Tony. So we, you can hire a consultant to do a rate study. We have found those, they're expensive, and our utilities are so small that it doesn't warrant that expense, so instead of finance, works with their utility staff. And these funds are actually quite simple, and so you can pretty easily tell you what the costs are and what the revenues need to be to beat this costs. So we do that internally and because our rates, you know, we look at how we're doing revenue to expenses and we're generally about on target. And usually with some small surpluses at the end of the year, which is, you know, a correct thing to do for utility fund. And so that's why we've been on that sort of steady state CPI mode for the past five years, where if you don't do those CPIs, then, you know, five years later, then you need to have a fairly no worthy rating, pretty much to catch back up. And that's why our recommendations did these small incremental changes on the day of basis. So by the way, the staff is there to be able to talk to that address. Yeah, we talked with Baha'i's Lou today just about the agenda. I think it would be worthwhile to let them know. We're looking at DSUs and to set that up. If it's not ready for an agenda tonight, to set that up for a future in that specific drainage fixture units charge. So basically in a nutshell, we currently charge, if you're making a new tap to the sewer line, it's a big charge. It's a, I can't remember exactly what it is, but it's about $7,000 for the hards and you know, a bigger number of single family house. I think what we would do is keep that, but in the event of a tear down refill, we would institute the FU to capture if there's going to be a net increase. We were trying to capture that is that does over time over a decade that has even over that time. The capacity of the system. It's between the DFU change and maybe the sewer agreement and that march to the roll timeframe. Things like that should go in front of the UC resident. That may be a topic that's for us. Things tonight is how much they understand each I and I and other trails tank proposal. There I raising that. What else do you have I have an item that I want to, you know, the two councils. Discussion and decision for the March 3rd work session. And that is, I've been, I attended the planning commission meeting. The last commission meeting and. Accessory dwellings were on the agenda for that meeting and what I'm finding is that the discussion around the accessory dwelling issue concerning owner of the dependency is. is feeling kind of stymied and constrained because there is, I've sent several privileged communications to the planning mission and the city council and about what they'll do. I feel like kind of stymied and constrained because there is, I've sent several privileged communications to the planning mission and the city council about, you know, what the legal support is for either excluding or including that that provision. And there's a couple of members on the planning mission and probably the same is true on council who would like to kind of like fully explore that issue and and I'm unable to do that because the advice I've given thus far is privileged and that privilege is is available in this case because what I've transmitted is legal advice, but the privilege does belong to the city council and I can't waive that without the city council's consent. I have thought about after the last planning mission meeting and considering how the conversation was unable to kind of move in a direction that it seemed to want to move. I thought about whether the legal advice needs to be privileged. And, um, and I, my thought is that it does not need to be because there's not really any legal strategy or risk associated with the advice that, um, that I think would put the city at risk if the public were to see it. So my thought is that, you know, council may want to consider waving the privilege on that advice because it would allow a more, you know, public, a more free public discussion and some transparency into why, you know, why I've reached the recommendation I've reached. You know my recommendations are recommendations and advice and the council can act how it wants to act. But I think having a window into kind of the rationale for my advice would be helpful to the public to understand the discussion a little bit more fully than it does now and then I can now. So I guess in thinking ahead about the planning mission schedule that schedule their next meeting is March 5th. And so my thought is if on March 3rd, which is a work session of council bird to want to do this, they could vote to leave the privilege on March 3rd, which would allow the planning Christian on March 5th to have a remarkable discussion. So that's my, that's my, you know, I don't know if it's a suggestion. It's just an opportunity that I wanted you to know you have. What concerns would you have about being public? public? Well, I've, so I can see the pros I want to be sure and understand. The cons are pretty minimal only because the arguments that I'm making are pretty well understood zoning law concepts that are fairly typical in every zoning litigation matter that any land use lawyer would be familiar with. So I wouldn't be disclosing trade secrets. All of the cases that I've cited are available to everybody to review and make decisions on. And so I don't think there's anything in there that's risky. The only negative would be the council decided to include an owner occupancy provision in the ordinance. Of course, the memos would provide some support to someone who wanted to challenge it. I mean, it would give them some that they they may not otherwise have, but I also think they would easily come by that guidance from anyone they asked anyway because it is common it is common zoning law common zoning advice. So I in the end, I think the cons are almost I mean, I wouldn't say nothing. Certainly if you don't include the under-recorded supervision, I don't see a downside tab. It'd be a public document. But if you do include the under-recorded supervision, there is a small downside in that. I've made it easier for people to challenge that provision. But on the other hand, like Middleburg already debated this in public and has pleadings on the topic that are publicly accessible because this issue came up in their short term rental ordinances. And so this issue is out there. It's been debated and it's in leadings, been litigated and you know, the federal Board of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has looked at it and termed in the context of short term rentals. It's I just don't I would say the downside of making it public seems miniscule to me. The one I will say this so if I get opinion. Hypothetically, which is not the case is if. There were other legal issues that we were debating around accessory dwellings by, by waving privilege on this one issue. I thought might find that we've waved privilege on the accessory dwelling topic, and generally speaking, maybe on. And, but that is still not an issue here because there isn't other, there aren't other legal issues surrounding this ordinance. And potentially, we wave privilege on owner occupancy advice. If the owner occupancy issue comes up again in a different context, we might have waged privilege us to that particular issue in that new context, but I also don't foresee that being an issue. So I just don't see a risk. I'm just thinking that folks feel bad. They're the pros don't you rest are we okay adding that to the March third session? That's fine. Trying to the matter with people? I'm trying to think about precedent here. I think we need to weigh in balance as much more than we have. I appreciate that you view this as something you want to get out. But I'm not sure about precedent setting here. I also recognize it for surrounding jurisdictions that have this in their laws. And I will say the prior city attorney advice on zoning is much more favorable toward the city. So I don't know. I think we need to think a little bit. I will say that on when you're regulating use, I do think you have a pretty broad authority. And that's probably what your previous video turn said. Think that across the difference of our opinions is that I don't think this is a regulation use. I think it's a regulation of occupancy. And your authority to regulate occupancy is quite straight. And so the kind of a threshold question is, are you regulating use or are you regulating occupancy? And my argument is you're regulating occupancy and then I lay out the reasons why. Sorry miss. I'm shooting. You all can continue. You have four rounds. Yeah, I'm a little without. But I just think you need to fit a little bit more. I'm not very good to say today without a good majority that would like to add it to the agenda. So we can wrap this up. I'd be a genitive, but we don't have to. Are you good? We can decide not to decide when. On Saturday. Laura, you raise your hand physically. Sorry. I just support raising the ad in it to the agenda. Is that a closed session? Or a regular item? Um, I think it's a regular item. You lost anything to W about this. I've got this but not only a question was certain back to go. I've talked about the days I couldn't do. We talked about a day that we could do. Do we have a new date except for that? That I stayed on that slide and slid and slid and slid and slid. So. Good. So, um, March. Make sure we add Cindy. You could get the flyer out that Saturday March 8th session. Apparently it was live yesterday recording the fire scene. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. I'm going to try to not the job lawyer, Mayor Orspere, yeah, for federal employees. Yeah, Noah sent it to us this morning. So, Mary Katherine, are you working on it? Great. And the city page will get updated, but there's a lot of good resources that we should try to capture in one place for people. Thank you to welcome that. My one thing is just it is this curve to me that Kayla season has come in. I'm just very sweet. There was a couple of words which Kayla's there's a begin to see the ball should be our apartment one. Yeah, the day I know that's the March 8th and then there's the she probably broke third. Something for grounds hard to ground March 28th. That's the best character. 28 is not a paid ticket though, that's an option. The other two are right. The other two are pay tickets, that makes it the education foundation. So I just want to play that out there to make sure that people are aware of those. Sometimes this invitation is come in less. And the community band also is asking for somebody to come to their event this year to sort of introduce and pick off. When is the quality? I'll send that out again to you guys from beside of somebody once. I can not. March 1st, I think. I can. Okay. What's the date for the volunteers? I think it's March 8th. I was just. Sorry, volunteers should be March 22nd. March 22nd. But the RSVP did let this. It's Saturday. Saturday. Yeah. So did we have a lunches committee? So we had set it for March 5th. And then I have a meeting conflict now. And you all were looking at gobops. I was going to follow up with you later today, because we won't have some governor feedback. And I might suggest delaying it a week or two so I'll circle back but right now it's March 5th. It was going to be following your ask the council. But I'd like to circle back with the chair and the committee about rescheduling it now that I see sort of where we are with the budget and the governor's timeline. Okay. Thank you. The general assembly's timeline. I'm out the final budget. The general assembly's budget is out and we're reviewing it, but the governor, we haven't had any reaction from the governor on the changes from the general assembly that aren't matching his recommendations. Also, we've done a lot of work on the federal stuff in between and that was going to be one of the topics and I don't think we'll have really new information to share on March 5th. So another reason to maybe give us an extra week or two. Thank you. Go about 9 o'clock Friday the seventh. Thanks. What time did you say? Okay. Let's check them. Laura and Aaron. Laura, are you working? March, March 7th at 9 a.m. Great. Yeah, that should work. Thank you for taking the time to do that. NASA does a slow again on the calendar to shoot that. That's it. Anything else? Her mind. Six. Three. Thank you. I would just say everybody. Stay in the wild. Thank you. Thank find Laura. I'm impressed you got up this morning. Thank you all.