Good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome to the Thursday March 6th meeting of the Esprig City Council. I will call this meeting to order and I would invite each of you to stand and join me in a moment of silent meditation. I invite you to pray in any manner that you are comfortable and we will follow allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. This is the important time for our public comment period at each meeting. We invite the citizens to come and address accounts on any items of concern or city business. We would ask that you be concise, say what you need to say, and step down, let somebody else speak. We have a really long agenda tonight. And for those of you that don't usually hang around towards over I can tell can tell you we'll be here talking about me. So we ask your patients as we move through this agenda and your consideration as you address the council and the eight items. So who would like to be first speaking to the council tonight? Okay, we're ahead of the game No one in the room that wants to address the council tonight about items of concern or city business Good then we will move right on into item 4 on the agenda. And if you want a copy of the agenda, I believe they're on the door right there. There are still a few copies left if anybody would like to have. A copy of the agenda along with us. Item four, I'm going to call on our downtown Main Street Manager, Eddie Corner, and she's going to highlight the summer concert series for us. Welcome. Hello. Good evening. This is my third summer concert series. It's been really exciting to see how it's grown and how the community has come to embrace it not only the Sunday nights but the Friday nights. So I'm excited to share our lineup for this year. I do want to take a minute and say that it takes a village and I'm very grateful for all the different city departments that help make it happen like culture and rack and facilities and public works. And I'm also very grateful for our community sponsors. We raise $90,000 to cover both this Sunday and the Friday series. It's completely covered by community sponsorship. So very, very grateful for our community who believes in our concert series. So without further ado, I'll do the Sunday night concert series first. So kicking things off on May 18th, we will have the entertainers in Bicentennial Park. Sunday June 8th, we'll have Envision. Sunday July 20th will be the Band of Oz. Sunday August 10th will be the Special Occasions Band and then Sunday September 7th will be Eric and the Chiltones. And then for our Friday night tribute style concert series which are really hard to hit a variety of decades and genres when we can. So we're going to kick things off with 80s rock with live wire, the ultimate ACDC experience. We've had them before and they were a lot of fun. And that'll be Friday, May 30th. Friday, June 27th, we're going to have Fix U, which is a cold play tribute. They've had quite the tour over the past two years. So these guys are coming out of Charlotte, and I think there'll be a lot of fun. On Friday, July 25th, we'll be slippery when wet, which is the ultimate Bon Jovi tribute. So 80s rock that got popular a little after the 80s. And then we'll wrap things up in August on Friday, August 15th with Chicago Reward, the premiere Chicago tribute. And they've got a heck of a horn line. So really excited. We hope to see lots of folks out there. We've had a lot of fun with it and I thank you guys for all of your support. Good questions for A. Just adding congratulations on all the sponsorships. The fact that the entire concert series is covered. That is a test on that to a village as you said, but you leave that village so congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations on your recognition from the James. That is a test and that to a village as you said, but you leave that village so congratulations. Thank you. Congratulations on your recognition from the gym. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. I can't believe we love having you on board. Thank you. I'll call on Mr. Underweiss, one of the President Trump's and Price Scott Adams and Company B.A. And you will present our annual audit. Yes, sir. Good evening, everyone. Good evening. In front of you, you should have the full auto report as well as a presentation summary packet. Now, tonight we're going to go from the presentation summary packet, but all of the information contained in here is also present in the auto report as well. You want to raise your microphone a little bit. You all have to lean over. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. Perfect. Starting with the first page of the letter to Governance, we've audited the financial statements for the City of Ashboro for the fiscal year ending June 30th, 2024. In the second paragraph, we note that the accounting policies are described in note one of the financial statements. And we noted no transactions entered into the city of Ashboro that were significant or unusual. In the next paragraph, we note that accounting estimates are an integral part of the financial statements prepared by management. And next because of the certain financial statement disclosures are particularly sensitive, because of the significance of the financial users, but no disclosures were identified. Lastly, on this first page, the financial statement disclosures are neutral, consistent, and clear. We encountered no difficulties when dealing with management and performing and completing our audit, and we're also not aware of any uncorrected misstatements that are material to the statements. The representation letter was signed on January 22, 2025. We consulted with no outside independent accountants during the course of our audit. And then lastly, on page two, the local government commission will no longer initiate a communication with the city. regarding any financial performance indicators of concern. These were formally called unit letters. Now they have us complete a sheet that identifies them and we notify the board. There were a few items that we noted during the completion, which was that the financial statements were completed after the year end. And that indicated a late submission. That the water and sewer capital asset condition ratio was a concern, and a significant deficiency was identified in finding 2024-001. And we'll cover those a little bit later in the presentation packet. On the last page, we note that the local government employee's retirement system, OPEB and other reports that come from the actuaries, we do not audit the actuarial work, but we use their numbers. And drawing your attention to the last paragraph under other matters, there's a new implementation for GASB number 101 compensated absences that we've discussed with the finance office and they are aware of and planning to implement. Going to page four, you can see that there's a breakdown over the last five fiscal years of the financial information for the city. We try to pull out information that we think is going to be most useful to the board for evaluating the health. To start with, the fund balance for the general fund was 21.2 million. This was up from 13.6 million in 23. And I would say it returned to about the levels that we would expect to 20.23 was kind of an aberration. Unavailable fund balance was 5.1 million. Restricted an assigned fund balance was 4.8 million. General fund expenditures, including transfers out and less leases, power bill, and installment purchases, was 39.9 million. Fund balance available as a percentage of general fund expenditures was 40.5%. Unassigned fund balance was 15.7 million. And unassigned fund balance as a percentage of general fund expenditures was 39.34%. The next action covers a breakdown of revenue over under expenditures before considering any contributions or transfers. The general fund had revenues of 5.3 million. The Water Sewer had revenues of 212,000. The zoo city park sports complex had expenditures of 3.4 million. The ARPA fund had nothing in fiscal year 24. The state capital infrastructure fund had revenues of 825,000. And all other governmental funds had expenditures of 1.5 million. Next is a breakdown of your cash versus accumulated depreciation in the water fund. Your total fixed assets totaled 97 million while your total accumulated depreciation was 60.6 million and cash was 15.2 million. Building off of that cash for the general fund was 17.6 million, cash for the water and sewer fund 15.2 million, cash for the zoo city park sportsplex, 973,000, for the state capital infrastructure fund 5.9 million, and for all other governmental funds 1.4 million. We've covered the fund balance for the general fund. The net position for the water and sewer fund was $44.3 million. For the zoo city park sportsplex was $695,000. For the state capital infrastructure fund was $342,000. And for all other governmental funds, $1.3 million. Going to page five, you can see the property tax rate was 0.710. Collection percentages were 99.32 percent, and excluding motor vehicle was 99.29 percent. The total property valuation was 3,480 million, and the total levy of 24.7 million. debt for the was $3.2 million, and for the business type activities was $2.9 million. And then lastly, you have a breakdown of your general fund revenues and then your general fund expenditures. The largest portion of your revenues is from Advalorem taxes at $24.9 million. And the largest portion of expenditures is public safety at $20.6 million. Starting on page 6, we have the graphical breakdown of the same information that's been presented on pages 4 and 5 but having it in this form helps to see the trend and how things are performing. As I mentioned, you can see that with the general fund balance in 2023, that was a bit of an aberration for the city and it popped back in 2024. That was to do with transfers that occurred in fiscal year 2023. And on this bottom graph as well, you can see that the percentage of general fund expenditures came back to 40.5% from 15% in the previous year. On page 7, again, we're seeing a pop back from 2023 to 39.34%, which is in line with the previous three years. And then on the bottom of page 7, you have a breakdown of the revenues and expenditures before transfers and contributions that we covered. On page eight, you have a graph representing the cash versus accumulated depreciation for the water and sewer fund, as well as at the bottom analysis of the cash and fund balances at June 30th, 2024. As you can see, your cash balance, the largest portion, is made up of the general fund, and as far as fund balances, the largest portion is made up of the water and sewer fund. On page 9, you can see that the property tax rate increased to 0.710 from 0.665 in the previous four years. Collection percentages were down slightly to 99.32% from 99.6 in the previous year, but you can see comparatively with those green and red lines that it is still in line with the statewide average and group wide average from the most recently available years from the state. Not sure if this occurred in your packets as well, but mine printed upside down on page 10. But you can see here on the last page a breakdown of the general fund revenues for fiscal year June 30th, 2024. Again, ad-vlawment taxes made up roughly 54%. And for general fund expenditures, public safety made up 50.4% as well. And then on the last page, your additional require communication. So we touched on this in the letter to governance. The LGC will no longer notify you with a unit letter. So when we present these, you have 60 days from the date of this presentation to respond to the LGC. The financial performance indicators are concerned noted related to the water and sewer capital asset condition ratio. You can see for 2024 it's .35. They would like to see a minimum threshold of .50. You can see for general performance indicators, the audit was submitted late on 128, 2025. And then lastly, the financial statement finding regarding an out of compliance investment from General statute 159, 30 C8. And again, the board will have 60 days from this presentation to respond to those matters. Are there any questions? Any questions? So So we brought a fund out of the back fund, 15 percent to 40 percent. Yes, sir. And looking at fiscal year 2023, it was largely due to transfers for a capital project fund that caused it to be a little bit of a aberration from the other years? Where are you going to have that if it's put to a good use? Yes, sir. This was a real good presentation. I'm not good with numbers, and even I could follow it. Well, thank you. Well, thank you. Thank you, sir. We appreciate your firm doing our audit. You're happy, too. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. We appreciate your firm doing our audit. Thank you. Thank you, sir. We appreciate your firm doing our audit. Thank you, sir. We appreciate your firm doing our audit. your firm doing all of it. You're happy to. Mr. Hogman, I believe you're up. I am. Thank you Mayor. Arise tonight as my last city council meeting to run the last few items through. And it's my pleasure and my to state the honor to have served with each of you. You've made the city better in your service. To want to quickly review historical financial performance, would thank the hunter and his for all of this. I would thank Debbie and Steve. Where's Debbie? Steve back here somewhere. He's on the road. And all the, all the staff back in there, all the credit. You know, I said it to rotary the other day. No, period. Please, over here. Stay up, Steve. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Of course, Dave. You know, I'm fortunate and I'm coaching an all-star team and I'm working for all-star team. So that brief puts us good. I just wanted to show you where we were. In 2001 it was 4.9 million in the fund balance. We're now 21.27 million. The water and sewer net position was 33.1 million. We're now 44.37 million. The property valuation was a 1.4 billion. We're now 3.4 billion. And our total assets were 33.1 billion. And now we're 113.98, almost 114 million. So your team's done a good job for you. Over all these 23 years, the great Jimmy Johnson Hall of Fame coach at Dallas Cowboys says, I've never seen a coach win a game but I've seen coaches lose a few games. I didn't lose a few games. So we have a good team here and they've done your real good job. Going on to the next item and I stand here tonight, just an all of them and all they can do. I just want to report on our taxable resale sales and show you some of your investments are really paying off. In 2008, our total taxable retail sales in Randolph County was 1.18 billion. For 2024 was 2.4 billion. So it went up 600 million in six years. Okay, that's where during investments in our downtown and our quality and bringing people to town is getting ready to really blossom in 2026. When the zoo opens, Asia is going to be a remarkable asset. We don't know how lucky we are to have that here. So as as he mentioned, sales tax is a big number of our receipts. And so keep bringing those people to town. Keep punching in 27203 27205 27204 when you order. And of course this does, it doesn't reflect the hotel motel tax. That remember that the tourism development group showed us last month or the month before. So, financially strong, or revenue-based is strong, your team's strong, and your sales tax is strong. So, we've been through a lot of zigs and zags and, and up and downs. 2001, 9-11, 2002 recession, 2004 governor took a million dollars. Asperger was the hardest hit per county. We also had the largest ice storm in the state's history. 2007, we had it drought, 2007. We never came out of 2004 recession we're another recession 2008 had the great recession started getting going about 2016 or 17 then the hospital went on skids I think the Marinon Walker have permanent you know post-traumatic stress from that And now we seem to be going well. And I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a new partner in Randolph Health Novante. So we went from having almost no health care to having now looks like we may have a good old-fashioned competition. So your stars are aligned, your futures bright, and we just thank you for your attention. And again, thanks, Debbie and her team, they do a great and all your department heads and all your right down to the rank and file are just great people. And I just want that in the record, please. and clashes him to a job. Good job, John. I think you're a leader, shit. Yeah, like I said, coach and I'll start taking. 24 years. It's a pretty good little run. If you and I have been disturbed, don't mayor the entire, all this century. It's so worth it. It's a total, you know, credit you tremendously for the total reinvent of our sales. When we started having the 2010 plan in 2020 plan and it was one mile stone that was at least for my business is one cloud for close plan five. I mean 2500 miserable. What blades about 1500 jobs, getting that point? It just one day, one day and have to reinvent ourselves. Textiles are furniture to tourism and small business and all to create activity, a lot of patience, a lot of sleepless nights. And I thank you so much for putting those in. Thank you, and I just remind you, we are the Medical City. There are 19,000 city towns and villages in the United States and less than a hundred. Less than a thousand are all America City, less than a thousand. So Mayor, we'll move on to capital number eight. This is why I'm sitting out here, a good friend of Donald Duncan, our new city manager. We'll tell you that the most exciting part of any public employee's job description is the last few sentences, words all other task as may be deemed necessary or signed. Some of those little traffic cop out here on this side. Not to take any weight, thank you. We heard that back there. So last February, we had a staff, we had a city council retreat and we heard on various capital projects from Matt Reese, remember that everybody, and we prioritized them. Remember that, immediate priority and. We direct you, direct us how we wanted to proceed. And since that workshop, we had been working on those items and there's several developments we want to bring you up to tonight. And this kinds of ties up the end of my watch here. So I didn't want to leave them without getting them tied up. Our first one will be on the Trade Street Infrastructure Project. These are stacked and presented tonight in the way you prioritize them. So this one is the number one priority. And I'd ask David Hutchins, my public service work director and Jimmy Cagle, our facilities director over here, and they're gonna have to give you the update on that project. David was here last time, talked about the parking lot, but this is more about the individual project. Everything John said, it's been a conference since he's been working here. I mean, Jimmy both can say true story. We were here. But not to take too much time to get you going on a trade street real quick. I want to kept after last month when I was talking to you about the parking lot. I have a binder ordered for Tuesday. So we're going to start putting binder in that parking lot Tuesday. So hopefully the parking lot's about to be wrapped up. Now tell everybody what binder is. It's the pre-ass well. Yes, it's, yeah, it's just got bigger rock in it. It gives us a good strong base. Got to have something to hold up those garbage trucks. But we'll start putting that in Tuesday. We've got it ordered lined up ago. So hopefully that'll be wrapping up. Then it's maybe leave it closed after we get the top and on it for a couple days so when we paint the stripes in the parking lot it don't turn black. But anyway that's pretty much it on the parking lot itself but right now we don't need no we don't have anything to request from the council at this time but we are waiting or waiting the 90% plan set for Newton Company and it should be any time now so that's getting real close the project team and they're several no Jimmy's big part of it forever a couple with me, and public works are part of it. The engineers, we meet regularly. Just, there's issues that come up like the con doing, somebody almost hit the other day, that we got put in last week that I told you about last time. That's done and completed. There's a couple of things coming up, and lot of these this is where Jimmy comes in because he's he knows Duke power We're better than I do and he knows electricity better and I do But you know we've had a couple of hiccups with Duke but There's gonna be some issues with the property owner. So I'm gonna let Jimmy have for me I will you okay alright One of the reasons that they hadn't quite got the 90% done on the plan was Duke Energy approached us. And when we had the construction meeting six, eight months ago, we talked about replacing a pole at the corner of Feb. and trade on the south side and they want the engineers approach me later and said that we can't put that pole back where it's at. We're going to have to move it out in the street right now it's three foot to the center it'll be seven to to the center. And so we started looking at alternatives and so being DAI owns the property directly to the south of it. We talked with Duke Energy and we went ahead and put the continuity in for them so that Mr. Hutchins can go ahead and pay the parking lot. But it's going to be better for the city. For one thing, they said to transformers behind the AI's building there, and they can actually go ahead and run the primary over to those transformers without having to touch that pole. And it was going to be a relatively large pole, probably a 50-foot pole to get up above the buildings. One of the reasons that we got some concessions on the prize from Duke Energy was that we talked with them about mitigating some of the dangerous items their own trade street. And like I said years ago things were done, they weren't done just exactly right. But they wasn't willing to put the poll back and then have another problem with it being too close to the building. One of the other things that we dealt with, and I've talked back and forth with Trevor, 80 garners being involved involved and that's with the property owners there on Trade Street on the back where the power does come in. And of course all this is going to be underground. We're moving to, you can see, we're moving that there on Trade Street. And so we've got several property owners, the meat is out there, we We got several that actually got their own electrician out there and give us a price on what it was going, they thought it was going to cost to upgrade those services. Now there's a few there that we never could get anyone. They never would respond or never would get electrician. And so I met electrician out there and we looked at their services. And so this will be something that will have to be run through DAI. And of course, we've talked about it. And we're going to have a maximum amount. We're going to cap how much we can spend on our service. And from there we put 5000 a property owner. I personally don't think it'll be that much from what I've seen. Some of them are masked but some of them are relatively good shape. So that'll be something that'll be coming up, up coming once we get the 90% plan playing it in all of that. You felt as a lady having questions. I'm excited about the underground prospects. Yeah, we will. I'll clean that whole way up back there. And the removal of the red thing. And you ask us, if February, you asked us to work on that. Couldn't we get that? So we work, we scramble, we met, and we negotiated. We've redded, they've redded. We pointed, they pointed, they've been duke, and we agreed. This is the preliminary 90% plans. So, right, it'll be more attractive, transportation or flow better, and electricity's safe. And, as a friend mentioned, auditor, we have aging infrastructure system will upgrade the water and sewer by the Streets Tour. I would add, I think everybody in North Carolina has aging infrastructure. Except maybe Hollis Bringer or somebody has brand new. All right, so that was your number one priority. That was number one. That was immediate. Now I have the honor to bring up Chief Kotman and his Trevor Nuttles going to report with him on our biggest project we have tonight. All right. Emergency Operations Center, Fire Station 3. And Chief, come on. Cochman and Chief King for all that place. Mr. Oggman before Chief Cochman speaks on that, we did have item 8A2, which Ms. Reeves was going to speak on real briefly. I'm sorry, Mary, I like'd like you to adjust. Don't sit in the next one. Sorry about that. Well, I don't ever do that. You're just excited about the new fire statement. Mayor and council in your packets is a memo that I sent to Mr. Augburn relating to the OSBM, the Office of State Budget Management, giftIF grant that I have for Acmeo Curry, number 10041. That grant was $1.5 million. We only spent $1.2 million and some changed dollars, leaving about $268,000 unspent. I had tried to negotiate or to redefine this scope of work to include other projects and my contacted OSBM says that in order to do that since this grant was very specific to Acme McQuerry that we need to go to our legislative body and ask for a technical correction to change the wording in the grant itself. And with the Ashbroke Downtown Facility and Trade Street Improvements project ongoing, my recommendation is that we would ask our legislators to do a technical correction, redefining it to go towards that project. And I just wanted to bring to your attention that this is a request and request your consensus or authorization to go ahead and try to redefine how that grant is worded so that we can use those funds versus give them back. So consensus or motion? Consensus. Consensus will be fine in this case. Yeah. I concur. That sounds good. Yes. Yeah. Just go take a legislative action, Debbie. I don't think so. I think our local delegation tells the OSB. Okay. And stay directed to funds to begin with. That's our understanding. We just didn't want to proceed with council. Council, we need to tell them the council is aware of it and okay. Okay. I'll just interject. It might come back on your agenda if we have to request for a resolution. We can certainly do that. Okay. Now, Mayor, please. We'll move on to item number three. Item eight, number B. And here we've now had Chief Doctor of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the Chief of the now had Chief Governor of the Chief King. Good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers. We're here to report where we're at on the emergency operation fire station 3. Chief King's here with me. We're glad to report. Me and Chief King both got hired here in 1996. And when we got hired we were told, you know, it's a really good time that you'll come we're building this third fire station 29 years later here we are ready to report on it we're really excited about this at the station as you know the projected stuff from all the studies we have all of our growth is going to the south so So that's the area that we're looking at putting this. And we formed a committee at work. We started out, you know, we have a wish list. And we was about 18,000 square feet when we started. And we, a lot of it, we didn't really take into account. You got to account for hallways and wall thicknesses when you go to building something. So we're learning this. The building committee and the command staff we've worked on this and we sort of got it paired down to around 13,000 square feet where we think it's a good, workable area for us and able to, for the growth of the city and to the future is what we're're looking at on it. What we're really, where we're at right now, we had started just to keep all up to date on it. We had started looking at another area that we were looking at. We started the EHP study that we had to have from FEMA since we're getting FEMA grant money. And then when we were there, another piece of property come up so we had to go back and fill all this paperwork out again so right now where we're at we're waiting to get the results back from that and as you can see on this slide we we turn that in finalized all that in October of 24 and we're just waiting to hear back from them which we're hoping very soon. The part that we're really working on is during that part, the first piece of property we were looking at was, I want to have a two story station on it. It was an air loan lot and where we moved that now, we were able to do a one story station and we don't want to get too far into it. So if something happens, that was a little hiccup in the first part when we were waiting on some stuff. And we don't want to get a set of plan thrown, and then we have to move it on the lot or something like that. So hopefully, like I said, we'll get that back here for too much longer when we get going on that. Cost wise on it, we have roughly 4.9 million and grant money that we're looking at. From everything we can hear and Councilman Troglin will know we're being told we're looking at anywhere from $450 to $600 a square foot when we start building until we can finalize our plan down and get locked in on that is when we'll really be able to come back with a firm figure on that. But that's the we've heard from I don't know if it's where you build an it mistake or what affects those prices. But that's a lot of requirements that you'll have to do as a fire station. Yeah, we have to have all that. So we're new to this. Like I said, we've been waiting 29 years. Hopefully it won't be another 29 that we've got to go. So with that, like I said, we'll do that. And we do have some slides. This is the overall site plan to the bottom of the screen. We'll be where the new street comes in, where we'll have to enter off of that, the parking lot and some parking in the rear. Basic layout of how it is, we do have an alternative third bay that we're looking at. Part of that could come from future expansion. We're also, we had a meeting today with the State Fire Marshal's Office to find out some information about how to maintain our class one that we're looking at. Part of this station could be in response to the zoo that we've taken in, so we may have to have this third bay if we have a piece of apparatus. It's going to take a special truck to get into some of the facilities at the zoo, because of the narrow accesses and some bridges that we've got to get around. So we're trying to meet with them to finalize up some of that. So part of this is just a pleneman area, as it says. Our staff has worked really hard on this. Could be a few more slight changes to it, but I think we got the basic floor plan as we like laid out. As you can see, the EOC training room's gonna be up at the front. The main entrance will be to your right there, where the double doors are at, and that blue section. And then you get back into the green section is the living room, the bedrooms and then all of that. The first concept we had, the day room and kitchen was down next to that end and the fireman asked if we could put the bedrooms closer to the bay so at night time they'd have a closer shot to get out to the apparatus to respond. So we talked with the architecture and they was able to do that. Just some other slight changes that we may look at. We got this back this week to be able to present it to y'all for the basic idea that we're looking at. If you can go to the next slide. This would, at first we were wanting to try to maybe square to build a nut and then And we got to see them outside and we liked the way that it could possibly look so we was very well pleased with that. So this would hopefully, like I said, this is going to be close to what it will look like. It could still be some slight changes when we get the final stuff. We'll come back and present it to you all. Like I said, we are very excited about this to have the opportunity to do it. Our city is going to grow. We've been in the stations that we got. It was built in 71, 72 respectfully, and we're still using them. So we're wanting to design something that's going to last another 50, 60 years that the city can use. So that's where we're at on that and any questions from the Council will entertain. And can you just remind everybody about the importance of the ISO rating and how that really helps all of our citizens and that the station is a critical part of that? Yeah, because then when we get late was when we when we got that we become a class one ISO rated department in the mayors that he's representing us that we were very proud of that. The staff we don't we didn't have admit we have very little to do with that. Our firefighters they they work extremely hard to achieve that but we we have to maintain that. And they did inform us at that meeting that you got it, now you got to keep it. It affects the insurance for businesses. Once you get mainly passed, I think it's a four, three areas where the homeowners stops in there, advantage for that for the lower insurance rating, and then from three to one is where the business is that it affects. We're very proud of that. We, like I said, we met today since I took over in November and we're going to work very hard to maintain that. We met with the Office State Farm Archeol today. There's a few little things they told us what you do to improve that. It wasn't very lot. I told them, you know, I said, I'm not going to be the guy that's going to lose that. But it is, I'm leaving. Somebody else will have that hung on their name. But our staff's not going to let that happen. And like I said, it's a very distinct honor to have that rating. And we're very proud of them. And we're just waiting to see where it goes. But that is something we're going to keep. The growth of the city, I hate to tell you, but it takes off. We'll be coming back looking coming back looking for another Hopefully it won't be 29 years to get that one either We talking with them today, and I don't know how they done it They was very Highly speaking of the way our cities laid out now That we've been able to maintain our rating with our two departments right now. We have to cover what was said, like 90% of the city, 80%. And we have to cover down these two stations still today. So I don't know how they picked the spots to put these things in, but somebody did an excellent job when they built them back in 72. That was good. So both of those stations were built in 71. And they're both still very serviceable. But it says, yeah, we're very appreciative. We've remodeled them both. And got that accomplished. So a few years ago, we took all the carpet out back there in COVID. We wanted to take all of that out because everybody's worried. It's easier to mop a floor than it is to vacuum and get rid of stuff so we can put bleach and all that a little bit on that to kill track some of that stuff down. And they it is one of the things that's let us maintain that is everybody says how large station one is. We have approximately 20 people that work out of that building during the day. And if it hadn't been for that size, we would probably, of that station, we would probably have about five stations right now for just to cover our area. But we was able to add personnel and didn't have to have a station. We're really busting it to seams with people and our call volume just keeps increasing. I think last year we was around 4,500 calls. I'm waiting. I know you just leave us here. I'm coming by here. I'm just sitting here. That's on purpose. Yeah, go ahead and get them to come by. And the year before I think we was up around the 5,000, 5,500 calls per year, they don't sleep a lot at night. They're up and down a lot. You know, it's from everything. medical calls, ricks, fires, fire alarms, you know, and it's from everything, from medical calls, wrecks, fires, fire alarms, you know, we were all hazards department, so we covered all. As I always tell them when we talk to somebody, nearly promoted, nobody really talks about the big fires. All of y'all know about that, you know, we're sending news and we see that. The calls that important to me is when somebody calls it to a clock in the morning and they can't get their water cut off a lot of times. They don't call the water department. They call us. And I tell our guys and our firefighters, you know, that's the call we hear about because they go to church with y'all. They go to eat with y'all. They're in civic clubs with y'all. And if we treat them like we need to there, that's what gets talked about. You know that they say, the firemen come. They took care of my issue, and they went right on their way. And that's what we look for. We treat them all the same. If you call us, we're coming to help you. Sorry, sir. I'm new with this. This is my first one. Also in this money, I mean, I have so ones are in the state of North Carolina. I can't remember mayor right, I'll paying. Yeah, I think it's 20. And I forgot how many nationwide. It's not like 80%. Yeah, it's very low. Listen, it's less than that. It's just the same thing. 2% natural. You guys were just certifying the last year for Rescue. Where Heavy Rescue, we're still, we won't talk budget now, but there'll be some stuff coming in the budget. That will go along with our rescue stuff. We have just gotten heavy rescue certified. We're high and go certified. We catch a lot. They work very hard on those certifications. I forgot, what was the hours that they put in for that rescue stuff? It's a lot of hard work. A lot of hard work on the citizens in the room to realize we were Ashburr a fire department, or ever and ever and then your guys worked hard to get the rescue certification and now you are Ashburr fire and rescue especially which is another great accomplishment for the city of Asperger. And it is it is a lot not saying there is a there we have members going now. They they have been requesting. You know, we're Mr. Duncan's from you know when we had the hurricane and the flooding, we've had people going and doing water rescue. They asked me, they're like, chief, when we're getting some boats. I'm like, y'all, we're going to do this in steps. They've gone on their own. It's faithful that they go to. For that, the Bible's got a big indoor bill water rescue training facility there. We've had five or six members that's already went down there and got that because they know we have lakes. We've had flood, but they're forward-thinking looking that this is where we'll end up going if we get all of those certifications. That was the thing we was talking about today is our training that we have to maintain that every year so we have to recertify that and it is a lot. They are training every day at the department so it's not just my daughter even picks on me she's like oh y'all doall do sit around. I'm like, oh, you do teach kids, so you like a little babysitter. But she don't like that. And I wouldn't have her job for nothing in the world. But they do work hard. And like I said, we're very proud of our firefighters. Because everybody should be, but we're We are extremely proud of the work that the times they put in. You're going to find another five million at the Penn State Station. We hope so. You may. I'm down to the Washington. How do you? You. You don't got something on your toes? Yeah. I don't have any questions. What was it saying? We made a budget in town. Yeah, we're doing it. We can't. Please. I just want to follow on with the Chiefs said, it's not just the insurance insurance rating. it's the professionalism and the rapidness. And you have to be quick, not fast but quick. And what these guys do, how many people have we saved now with the new, probably 100 in? We saved 100 people with the new heart. If you have a heart attack the new life saving method, 100 folks, we've got from their location alive to Randolph Hospital, 100. So I can't say enough about the team down there. They're so excited because Mr. Duncan's come from a family of firefighters. They're actually first ahead of the police department on the transitions. The kids will do that's never happened either. I will tell one on Chief Cotton and I promoted him on November the 15th. Chief when Chief left and Chief Cotton had something happen on Friday the 16thth and they got to call the chief and he oh he called his own number. So mayor with that said in coming off the fund balance announcement we have an item misreached to a B where she was going to set up a just a I think I got the label wrong on that one. When do you switch that? There you go, Trevor. Thank you. Is the reader from the agenda? The next- Project ordinance, yes. Yes. Thank you. The next two items on the agenda relate to setting aside some funds in a reserve account specifically designated for the emergency operating center fire station number three. We are recommending putting $2 million in this fund and establishing an emergency operating center capital reserve fund. So before you is the or two ordinances, they have to be adopted twice, I mean one at a time. In this situation, which is different from normal, we need to adopt the project ordinance first, because we have to establish the fund that the money is going to go into. This $2 million will be very valuable to us, setting it aside now, we're looking at a maybe end to cost $79 million. Obviously that cost is still to be determined but it will be very valuable if we go before the local government commission and we can so that we have had some foresight in our planning. We are putting some of our money in here. We've got capital reserves and we're looking for some debt service on that. So it will look favorably for towards and make it a lot easier for me to go out for financing if we need to do that and we don't get some other funding for this. So my first request is that you adopt by reference the project ordinance for emergency operating center fire station number three capital reserve fund putting $2 million or in that account, in that fund. I recommend adoption of my reference. I have a motion to adopt this, my reference. May I move that? I see project ordinance by reference. Motion by Mr. Bell to create this project ordinance. Do I have a second? Second. Second, Ms. Heath. Discussion? On February 6th. Aye. On post. Motion carries. Following behind that is an ordinance to amend the General Operating Fund fund moving the $2 million out of fund balance to this capital reserve fund. We did run the calculation on fund balance as a percentage of expenditure and based on the audited numbers and our year to date expenses and this transfer is not going to negatively impact our number. I think it goes from 40.25 to 39.9 something or 39.8. So this transfer because of where we are with our fund balance is not going to negatively impact our financial standing at this time. I recommend adoption of the ordinance to amend the general fund, moving the $2 million. I recommend adoption by reference. We have another ordinance recommended by adoption by reference. Do I have a motion? Mayor, I'll make that motion that we approve this ordinance to amend the general fund related to the construction of the emergency operating center and par station number three. Thank you, Ms. Hayden. Do I have a second? Yes. Mr. Berks. I do. He gives. I have a motion and a second to create the fund, the ordinance. Any discussion? On the way we say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. So I want to report for we leave this item that two weeks ago, Mayor Smith, the assistant city manager of Tremanell and I flew to Washington, DC and met with our local delegation, Senator Tillis, Senator Bud and Representative Hudson. They're all very nice, very receptive about this project. And we asked them to do two things. We asked them, could we get the exemption to the USDA rural development population? They said they work on that and then we're also going to ask for another appropriation because they will do fire stations in public safety. We're going to ask for an earmark essentially now called Congressional Directed Spending. And so we'll see what happens in Washington, but we feel good about that. I will say that I haven't done this a long time, and I've never seen a blizzard, but I wait a 10 minute walk back from Capitol Hill to our hotel, and by the time the mayor Trevor and I got to in the hotel got our coats off, sat down in the restaurant. There was about four inches of snow on the ground. So we got out the next morning at 8 a.m. out of the hotel and I think the mayor dropped me off at 6 p.m. We caught and missed three flights. So we got to literally, like the last train to Clarksville, we got to last plane to Greensboro. There was an adventure. It was a great bonding experience. Trevor either may have learned all of our secrets. You just can't tell them. Well, we had a good time. And it was a very good, we were very well organized with our man on the ground up there, Daniel Sheen, who got us in all those places in the meek with the right people. As you can imagine, with the change of administration, it is very busy on Capitol Hill. Not that it's not always, but it's extremely busy now. So that's the status of that project. That was the second project. Three is McCurray Ballpark. Now I'm going to ask Jimmy and Jonathan. Jonathan, come back up and lead this discussion. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I'm going to have a lot of questions about this and with the amount of people in the room, anything, I would, you know, motionors, they would table it to the next meeting or we delay, we move it to later in the agenda. I would be more in the movie later in the end of the book because we need to finish that project. Well, the items that are on the agenda will not be, the items we're going to be voting on or looking at will not be, that will have an effect on this coming season. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you. I said it won't be an effect on this coming season because what we're looking at, you know, it's down the road quite a bit. So. Well, we've missed two or three seasons and I'm trying to get the thing finished. I know my now make a big difference but I would prefer it with my head to move it to a later in the evening. That's fine with me but I respect everybody here. I don't I don't take an order amount of time. We can't make the citizens here all night for something like this. So you any motion for that? Jive, can you motion? Should I have a motion? Yes, sorry. The motion technically being to suspend the rules and move, if you want to move it to the end of the meeting, to move this item to the end of the meeting. OK. Yeah. All right. Do I have a motion to suspend the rules and remove those items for discussion to the end of the published agenda? Some of them have a motion, but Mr. Dr. Do I have of a second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Mr. Sweyer, this is a second. Here she goes. So I have a second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Mr. Swears is a second. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Motion to move this to the back of the agenda is approved. And we will move on through the agenda I'm and we will go through the agenda with everything else and then we will come to that. So that's going to come up later tonight. All right mayor thank the council for that. Item D mayor Mayor, is the Gerald Center, City Garden, and Mr. Nuddle's going to speak on that, and we have some items to report on that too. Thank you, John. Just a quick update on where we are with the development of the Gerald Garden. You will see on the agenda that the staff is recommending that the Council take action to authorize an engagement with insight planning and development, which is a firm that does a lot of community development block grant administrative services. We ask that to get their assistance with reassigning the more than $240,000 in pandemic, CDBG funds that we have remaining. We have been talking with the firm since you all authorize a request for proposals several months ago. And after several discussions, we do think we have a path forward to gain the necessary approvals from the State Department of Commerce and the Federal Housing and Urban Development Department. Time is of the essence though on this. We are hearing that these funds may time out in early 2026. I'd expect because of the requirements that this program has when you're trying to amend or seeking to amend a program. It may take up to 90 days to complete that process as it goes through both the state and federal review. We had previously worked to get this amendment but our effort was rejected on a few different grounds. We've discussed what we've been told by the agencies and what that, what we believe is needed with the firm that we'd like to bring in. I do have confidence that we can make a much more compelling case with assistance from that group. I will say I've been a part of several CDBG projects over the years and this has just become increasingly complex due to the state and federal requirements that they impose on the program. And we think it'll be much more efficiently handled if we can bring somebody that does this work on a weekly basis instead of maybe once every two years type of basis. If the, if this amendment is successful and this is important, we would only need to appropriate about $60,000 in additional local funds to access $540,000 in federal funds, which thus far remain unaffected by efforts at the federal level to trim spending. So this is federal. Part of the funding, outside funding is federal, land and water conservation grant. We told you about the $300,000 that we were awarded. You know that it requires a one-to-one match. Thus far, the agency has told us that there are no impacts to that award, but this is a strange time. But we do think this funding will still be there given the nature of the program. You'll see in the proposal, which isn't your packet, it is phased with a phase A and a phase B. The first phase B, the working with us to get through the amendment process and get the approval to start the tie down that funding and start the project. If we're successful and only if we're successful, we'd move into phase B, which is a $20,000 cost. And that would be to help us ensure that the project and the money spent is done in compliance with those federal requirements because there are many. And so our suggestion and ask you this evening is that you do authorize engagement within site planning that Phase A costs $15,000. I do believe it will help us get across the finish line on this. Just Phase A. I would recommend the approval of the proposal, and we can come back and report once the, if we are successful and ready to move into that phase B. And Trevor, it's accurate to say that enlisting these services is going to save existing city staff time. It will. Working on this, which is the cost savings of a- Absolutely. We spend a lot of time this already trying to work through this, and it will free us up to do the work that we normally are doing. I say to go ahead and include the proposal because the phase B in this, because we had to go through a solicitation process. And if we don't include phase B in this, then we'll have to go back out and resellicit for that work. So we'd ask for phase A and phase B to be included. Thank you. Anything else? Quite much. Civilian motion. Do you need a motion? We approve the expenditure for the proposal for AMB to engage in site planning. We have a motion to engage in site planning. Motion by Mr. Carvaldo, how is second? Second. Second. Second is hate, discussion. So we're doing 15 and we'll come back. We're going to do I understand that. But the 20 is maybe maybe not. Yes, sir. That's correct. And I didn't say it. I think it's on the slide. I believe that 20,000 dollars, we may be able to pay out of the $240,000 grant funds towards that service. So we may have less in it than that phase B cost because I think those grant funds can go towards that. Of course, it would reduce the amount of funding we have for construction, but we'll have some options for that phase B funding, I believe. That's the idea, yes is the last project, just that one we could get to last, when we prioritize the minutes actually a very important project. This was the Zoo City Loop, our public transportation project. Want to catch you up where it is? We're requesting no action this evening, but this is just for informational purposes. In October, you may recall we were informed that an NCDOT, I was expecting to able to increase the initial award through the carbon reduction program from 440 to 586,000. They're by reducing the city's required match from 293 to 146,000. The award announcement happened after the prioritization workshop that was in again, like I said last February. The funding was provided to be an application to the city submitted in the launch of the proposed ZU city loop, the V8 had fixed route to be operated in partnership with our friends across the street, Randolph Adult Association, and specifically, Randolph coordinated transportation system. This money was to be used for purchase for electric light transit vehicles and could also cover some exitter expenses related to upgrading power and necessity for charging infrastructure. At the Council's request, you directed us to pursue the necessary agreements for the funding and prepare a review, but we have not received the documents. We believe and we have heard that in the news and we have heard that on Capitol Hill and you've had too that there's uncertainty related to this funding. And a result we really don't have any additional aim to report at this time. That being said, I have volunteered to serve when I finish my term as City, my tour of City Manager on the Senior Adults Board and I committed to this project and I have assumed I'll be selected. hard to believe if I wasn't selected by my own buddy Greg Patton, the president, and Greg and I are committed to working from the other side of the fence to see if we can't push for this to do our cats. So my service to the city is not quite up yet. That's all, this I will have to report on that. Okay. The last item I had, Mary's item 9, and this is a request for the Council to, on the community council to react back to the community of Elmock request to schedule and advertise the required public hearing on a proposed appropriation of $119,900 to the Randolph County Economic Development Corporation for industrial site development, the details of which will be presented at the public hearing. I think most of you know what the details are. As we are asking for tonight is for the advertising that will be for April 10. That's all that action is tonight, Mayor. Do I have a motion to schedule the discussion and advertising for the discussion? I know we are further requests to schedule an advertising required public. I have a motion of Mr. Bell. Do I have a second? Second. I'll move this in a second. I'll make sure we go. How are you all valid? Yeah, let me have them. Second, Mr. Sawyer's discussion. This is strictly to advertise. This advertise doesn't commission anything. That's just the, just have to go through all the loops. On Venerable say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. Who do we expect to hear the item in April? That's correct, April 10th. That'll be the public hearing board. Yes, and that with this action you directed Jeff and Holly to prepare the public notice and all that. I'd like to take executive privilege now mayor to take again with us honored to serve with you. I'd like to ask my wife Mark to come up here. I was sure she was going to hear the team. I just want to, on the record, is knowing that Mark has been my rocker-to-brother, and that she's been with, through me, every step of this way. And I say this all the time, if there was a luckier man, I never met him, or I don't know him. To be married to Martha N. To serve this council and to serve the citizens of Ashboro N before that, the citizens of Archdale. I'm quite lucky. And I just wanted to thank Martha. And in 1962, President Kennedy took, went to Paris. And his wife, Jackie, it was a fashion diva, of course. And the crowds were crazy as the motorcades went by. And when President Kennedy, they gave him a standing ovation when he spoke. And he said, I am honored to have brought Mrs. Kennedy to Paris. I am honored to have brought Mrs. Zogburn to the council. Too many, you know, right? Too many. We're going to miss her. I just want to say on behalf of myself and the girls, thank you guys for the past 24 years. It's been a great ride and all the ones who sat in those chairs before you and all the staff. Thank you so much for loving that family. You're have. So, good luck on the other side. The Trevor, can you continue this this since we continue. We need to continue this legislative hearing so that we can go ahead and hear it. John. Mr. Mayor, I do think in light of the continuance of the prior item, it would be appropriate to also ask the board to move item 10 to the end of the meeting as well. All right. Do I have a motion to move item 10 to the end of the meeting? Senator Mac, motion by Mr. Bell, the other second. Second. Second, Ms. Heath. The discussion. All in favor say hi. All opposed. Second. Second. Miss Heath. discussion. All in favor, sir. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries. All right. Council, you have in front of you the advertised consent agenda. Is there any any item on the consent agenda that they could like to remove for individual discussion? Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. Where are we approved the consent agenda as presented? I'll be motion by Mr. Burkes. Do I have a second? Second. Second Mr. Bale, discussion. All in favor of approval of the consent agenda. Say aye. Aye. All opposed. Like sign. Oh, shouldn't carries consent agenda is approved. All right. Mr. Evans, you made me two. Yes, sir. You ready to go, are you? Yes, sir. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Evans, our community development director will introduce item 12A, which is a quasi-judicial hearing case number, SUP 25-01, an application for a special youth permit for property located 1730 South Fair District. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And this being a quasi-judicial hearing, this would be the appropriate time for anyone who wishes to speak to be placed under oath. So anybody who plans to speak tonight in this hearing would need to be sworn now. But there's not pre-clude if you decided to speak later getting sworn at that time if you did not now. But if you know you're going to speak now is the time. And Mr. Mayor, if you would mind, if you're going to come over here to the clerk, So get your name, so I'll send the issues to you. source. I'm going to go few minutes. Okay. So this request involves a parcel of land located at 1730 South Fable Street. There is one parcel identification number. It's included in this request. The applicant is Ella billboards LLC. The zoning on the property is I-2 general industrial. Of course, this is a special use permit for a billboard. The property is, it's shown as point four acres on the application. I will note that the site plan shows point one six acres, just to kind of explain that difference. The existing land use on the property is rental and sales of domestic vehicles. And so the applicant has provided a site plan that you all have that shows a height of the proposed billboard. It's a monopole type of design with a billboard that's 35 feet above grade, the dimensions are 12 by 24. The sign face is a static non-digital display. And so in terms of transportation, South Fetwell Street is a state maintained major thoroughfare. And it's important to note that billboards, along with requiring a special use permit approval by City Council, they also will need to be approved by NC DOT's unit that approves billboards. And so item five, there are certain location and separation requirements described in the ordinance. We have determined that those requirements have been met. Those deal with the district having at least a thousand feet of linear feet, and then that the billboard be located at least a hundred feet from a residential district. And so both of those criteria have been met. The billboard is also subject to the general lighting requirements of the Ashboro zoning ordinance. And so while it's not a digital display, if there is any lighting that would have to be meeting the no glare provisions of the ordinance, the foot candle readings and those provisions. There are five Hilarie Holly shrubs around the base of the billboard, so that is meeting the landscaping standard of the zoning ordinance. And also, the billboard is exclusive of any other signs that may be permitted in the I-2 general industrial district. The land development plan, while staff does not make a specific recommendation on these types of requests. I will point out the land development plan does have one policy related to signs that states. The city will require signs that lend harmoniously with the surrounding streetscape and other architectural elements of the site, such as requiring monument style signs that match building architecture, landscaping around signs, and unified sign plans for large scale developments. So the first map shows you the property right in the center of the map that's shown outlined in red, and you can see the purple area is the industrial district that runs along South Fetville Street also to the northeast along South Fetville Street. The red is commercial property. The yellow is residential property. I will note that if you see the railroad that runs on the western side of the property, the large yellow parcel, that is the city golf course, that's that large residential parcel. So really the closest residential properties are on the opposite side of South-Alt-Street, behind the commercial area. The rezoning map shows you the subject property as parcel A, and you have the surrounding properties that were properly notified. So we did send notices to these property owners. There is also a sign posted on the property and this case has been properly advertised. So in terms of topography, for this property, the property is fairly level and there are city utilities that are adjacent on the site on South Aval Street. So the aerial map shows you some of these surrounding land uses with the industrial and commercial properties in this section of South Aval Street. The oblique map shows you a little bit more of a two-dimensional view with the motor vehicle sales light that exist on the property. This is a photo looking directly into the property from US 220 Business South or South Fayette Wall Street. You see about where the billboard would be located, roughly in line with the front of that building that's on the left. And then this shows you another view looking into the subject property. This is if you're looking north on 220 business south you see the surrounding commercial and industrial area here from this standpoint. And then also some commercial and industrial uses as you are looking south. So the site plan, again it's fairly simple it just shows where the billboard is located and the landscaping around the base of the billboard and the building that's to the south in relation to where that sits. So in terms of the structure of the billboard, as mentioned, it is a 35-foot high structure with one monopole that's located on this. It's kind of a cantilever type structure. So in terms of the billboard requirements, they are there in your packets and on the screen. I won't go through and read those unless there are specific questions, but they are there for the Council's reference. So if the Council wishes to approve this request, we would propose a couple of conditions. The first is re-interreading that the use is a billboard and that any use permitted in the I-2 district would be permitted by a right that you would have with a special use permit request. And then we also have the condition in terms of permitting that the applicant would be required to receive NCDOT permits, as well as the Council's final decision document being approved prior to a zoning permit being issued for the billboard. So here are the findings of the applicant's representative. We'll need to speak to you, but at this time, I'll be glad to pause and take any questions. This board is in two faces. North and Southbound regions. Yes, I did. It will be two faces, I believe so. Yes, sir. Yes sir. 30. Any questions? John. Okay. All right. The applicant's representative is here to speak to this request. Would you like me to turn any slide into your or did you have a presentation? Oh, yes. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Evans for that presentation. My name is Lididra Matthews. I'm an attorney with Fox Ross Toulette office. I make the long trip from Charlotte today and first of all, I'll give you the address 101 South Triangstreet for the record. But they are not nearly as friendly as you guys are in Charlotte. So thank you for your hospitality. I have been welcomed since I came in the door and it really is a warm environment. I do have copies of the presentation. I heard you have a lot of paper today so I do apologize for that. I have a few other documents that I'll present to you later in the presentation so since you have the presentation on your screens I'll just hold onto those paper copies until I pass out the others. Again, I am here on behalf of the applicant, Tele-Billboards LLC. I am joined by Tom Schneider of Tele-Billboards LLC in the back. And Molly Chuzum, she's a certified appraiser of Hilton Crowder and Associates here to talk about the impact on property values or lack thereof. So before we jump into the actual request, I do want to speak a little bit about tele-build boards LLC. It is a local business base right here in Asperl. Several signs are already erected throughout the triad, including Asperl by this company. And you'll see some examples of those later on in the presentation. Mr. Snyder is also a local entrepreneur. He has started Snyder Stone back in 1999 if you're familiar with that company. I think it might still be a family owned business on old former road. Again, as you heard, today's request is to allow for a 12 by 24 two sided, so a double-faced sign at a maximum height of 35 feet. The faces will consist of static vinyl siding, so it's final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the final setting. The final setting is the and then come out a little bit horizontally over the street or like a dive and board is another visual. But this sign will not go over on to South Fayetteville Street is actually designed so that you saw the area that it is proposed to be located by Mr. Evans pretty close to the property line. So this design will allow it to push further into the subject site and away from the adjacent property. I have some of the same pictures. I know you're going to be here for a while today, so I'll try not to be redundant and get through them pretty quickly. Again, this is located on South Faveville Street, which is a major thoroughfare. It is located on a used automobile sales company. It will be located on a used automobile sales company site. It's around about other industrial and commercial as well as to the back that the aspirin municipal golf course. You've already seen a picture of this site. This is what it looks like as it currently exists. So the sign is considering all premise sign as it will advertise a business other than the one on site. And this is what makes the special use permit required in the I-2 zoning district. The applicant is entitled to the issuance of a special use permit upon showing these four standards with what we call material substantial and competent evidence. Those are the legal buzzwords. I've prepared a statement of justification that goes into decatails about how the proposed sign meets these standards. And then I'll give you a summary of what is in that justification statement today. Just four questions. So if you don't mind, I'm going to maybe start down here and then maybe you can just pass along good papers. And then I'll make sure that Madam Clerk is trying to get one of these. Okay, so we're taking one of these. I'm going to cut this one for you. Thank you so much for your help and indulge in me. So what you are receiving right now is again a copy of the presentation. You also get the market impact analysis that Ms. Chisholm has put together and the justification that I just spoke of. So there are four general standards that must be met. One is that standard number one is that the sign will not materially endanger the public health or safety. Number two is that it meets all required conditions and specifications. Number three is that it will not substantially injure the value of that joining or abutting property or that the use is a public necessity. And number four is that the location and character of the sign are in general conformity with the plans for development in Asheville and in harmony with the area. So here you saw this plat earlier. The area of the proposed sign is highlighted in yellow. With regard to public health and safety, the proposed sign meets the setbacks and clances of the zoning ordinance. It's located to prevent visibility exceptions for our motorists. Again, like I said, it will not reach over and kind of hang over the street, but entire sign will remain on the property and is designed to be further away from that adjacent property. And as you heard, the sign will have to be reviewed and the plans approved by NCDOT for safety and compliance with state regulations. Again, the second standard is that the use means all required conditions and specifications. Engineering plans were also submitted with the application. I am not going to try to walk you through these plans, I pretend that I know how to. If you do have questions about the particulars, again, Mr. Schneider is here and happy to answer those. But this is here to show you that the application provided sufficient details to allow staff to make the determination that the sign meets all applicable regulations and standards. And that is mentioned in the staff report. You heard that the zoning ordinance mandates 15 additional regulations for this specific use. And that's at section 5.09 subsection 19. And again, as provided in the staff report, all of those are met and the justification statement that you have towards the end. Each of those 15 regulations is addressed. And again, we're happy to answer any questions about any of those specific regulations. These are the examples of tele-build boards that I mentioned earlier. Coincidentally, they advertise some local aspiral businesses. So to the left, this is a comparable size. This one is about 10 by 20 that you see on the screen. And the proposed sign before you today is going to be, or proposed to be 12 by 24. It uses the same type of vinyl material proposed for the subject sign tonight. And then to the right, this is a larger sign. It cuts off the faces of the galomor team, so no slight to you, HR. But that's because the focus here is on the actual support being the proposed sign will be the same brown color and material to help blend in with the area and not to stick out. The third standard is that the use will not substantially injure the value of adjoining or adjacent property. So again, today we have Miss Molly Chism with Hilton Crowder and Associates. She's a state certified appraiser, and she has conducted a market impact analysis based on standards approved by the Praise or Standards Board. And they are the uniform standards of professional appraiser practice. And what the impact analysis actually shows is that the sign will not have any negative impact on property values of nearby properties. So I'm going to ask her to summarize those findings for you briefly. And before that, I'll ask her to explain or describe her professional and educational background to you. I will say on behalf of Ms. Chisholm, she had a medical procedure today and is still here. So I promise her I will get her in and out as quickly as possible. Of course, she is available to answer any questions that you all have. But I am going to ask her again to come up and talk about your professional and educational background. And then we'll take a pause I I will ask at the board, and Ms. Mittender, her as an expert, based on that. And then we'll talk about the market impact analysis. That sounds okay. Hello. My name is Molly Chisholm. I'm a North Carolina state certified residential appraiser. I have ever 30 years of experience working the entire time with Hilton Crowder and Associates in High Point. I went to Carolina, graduated 1981 and became an appraiser in 1992. So did you want me to go ahead and go into the report a little bit or okay? And at this time at the board has any questions for me is cross miss Chisholm excuse me about her experience I will take those otherwise I do offer her an ask that she be tindered as an expert in real estate appraisal. Thank you. So the report that I have provided for this case is not an appraisal but rather a study of the impact on external factors on property values of properties that are in close proximity to similar external factors like a billboard. The first two comparable sales are properties that are located within a quarter to a half mile of a billboard. And the second two properties sold and they are in proximity to a water tower and the other one to a McDonald's directly across the street. And to determine if there's any impact, you compare those properties to others that have sold in a similar marketing area, but who that are not located close to the external factor and see how it falls out. And from that I determined, and this is certainly a major commercial commercial area to me it would be in harmony with that peripher and is my opinion because of my study and and observation of the site that it would not have a negative impact on values of the adjoining properties. The last, the fourth standard is that the use being harmony with the area area and again general conformity with the plan for development in Asperl. The proposed sign would be located on Safeville Street. This is a commercial corridor where signage is pretty standard. Remember that this special use permit is required because it's an off-premise sign advertising for something other than what is on site. However, South Bay of Old Street does have a variety of signage. You can see a little bit of this. So this is located to the south of the site. One example of signage, this is right across the street from the proposed site. And then this is the closest billboard further north up Safe of those street. So again, the applicant has the burden of proving these four standards with that material substantial competent evidence with regard to public health and safety. It poses no danger to the public health or safety because it meets all applicable regulations put in place to ensure structural integrity and proper placement. It will also have to be an adherence with NCDOT standards. With regard to Standard Number 2 that I meet all required conditions and specifications, you heard Mr. Evans testify to that during his presentation and that is also included in the staff report with details in the justification statement that you have. With regard to Standard Number three. You just heard from expert witness, Ms. Molly Chisholm, about the market impact analysis, and that it demonstrates no injury to the value of adjoining or budding properties. And then finally, with the grant to number four, the sign is in harmony with the particular area of Greensboro. I mean, it's using Asheboro. Contemplated for commercial activity where there's a wide range of signage. And then also just to throw in a little bit more legal analysis before I take my seat. Whenever use is a special use permit or allowed by special use permit, there's a legal presumption that it is in harmony with the area and I can only be rebutted by a substantial material competent evidence. So with that, I will request that the council vote to approve this special use permit this evening. Again, my team, the team is here. I'm here to answer any questions. We reserve time for a rebuttal in the event that there are any speakers in opposition. And then before I take my seat, I will ask that the presentation, the justification statement, and the market impact analysis be accepted as evidenced into the record this evening. Thank you. I'm at the east end. Yes. I'll compliment you on one thing. I've been sitting up here a long time. On past three, I have never seen anyone attempt to address public necessity before and you have done so and that was a well written paragraph. Well, thank you for reading that I didn't actually want to. That was a grand and glorious performance. People don't usually read out the materials that I passed out so thank you for that. I'm covered with what? His message I do have a question. Yes. Refunditions proposed by staff and medical to the applicant. There you are. Okay. Thank you. Any further questions? Thank you. Can also where you wish us. Oh, Bob Weinberg. What about the gym. The jail one, they were like, anyone else in the room, they were like to speak to this request. To see the four or advanced. All right, now, Councilor, what are your wishes? Mr. Mayor, based on the overwhelming evidence and out of necessity, I believe the applicant has met standards of the four tests and we have approved except the conditions as presented at the applicant and the committee. I have a motion by Mr. Moffeck to approve based on the reporting of the Board of Test. Do I have a second? Second. Mr. Second. Mr. Burke. Discussion. I was very, very sad. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Thank you to our expert witness. Feel better soon. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. All right. Let me introduce it, Miss Gr you hearing, which I will open, on case number RZ25-02, which is a request to rezone properly located approximately 100 feet east of Ridgewood Circle. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Excuse me. So, this request was filed by Mr. William or Lanny Hedrick, and the request is to rezone the district to an amended, high density residential designation. This is for a residential plan unit development that consists of tend dwellings. And as we get to in the analysis current zoning approval, as for tending units with a residential cleaning development. So there's one parcel identification number with the request. The property is about three and two thirds acres. The site is undeveloped in terms of structures. There is a residential cleaning development undercutting. That has been permitted previously with the Council Action of 2018 with the previous planning development as well. So I do want to point out that the applicant indicated that all notifications were mailed to the abutting property owners prior to the planning board meeting. This was done January 23rd. We have had a notice mailed by staff before this public hearing on February 20th and the request has been properly advertised and posted with a sign as well. So if you look at the first map you'll'll see the property is kind of on orange-ish shaded parcel right in the center of the property. And if you look at the surrounding properties, you have lower to medium-density residential R10 and R15 that are shaded in the yellow areas. This property is located between the Robbins-Ness subdivision to the east and the Ridgewood Forest subdivision to the west. If you go on the opposite side of East Orange Street, the property is in the county's zoning jurisdiction. Also, you'll see the kind of blue hashed lines. Those are denoting the flood area. So a good portion of the property is in a flood zone on the western and northern side of the property. So this is parcel A. This map simply shows you the abutting property owners that were mailed notification of the request. The topography on the property in places is fairly steep. You have the creek on the western side of the property where the flood zone is located, so it does drop off as you're going from the east to the west. There is city water that runs in front of the property on East Allard Street. The sewer is accessible to the property via a private sewer easement on the property that is just to the north, coming from a parcel on, eventually courts, where there is a city easement on that property. The aerial map shows you the surrounding property. So you see primarily single family residential uses with the two subdivisions I mentioned on either side of the property The oblique map shows you a little bit more of a dimension view of the property and some of the surrounding parcels as well This was before some grading was taking place that you see on the very first Photo looking into the property from East Awerd Street and that was for the the by Council for the 10 units. That did receive all proper approvals in terms of zoning permitting and NCDQ permitting for the infrastructure of that subdivision, as well as the AT permitting. So this shows you just another view. The dwelling on the right is on East Aura Street and the Robins and S Subdivision. So you see the topography is a little bit lower than that surrounding property onto the east. This is looking from the other direction of the property on the western side of the property near the creek. This is just taking another view into the property from East Award Street. So you see the homes in the background, those are within the Robbins Ness subdivision on Robbins Ness Drive just off to the east to kind of give you some bearings on that. This is the subject property from East Award Street. So you can see how the property drops off fairly drastically on the western side of the property where the creek is located. And so all this grading that you see is outside of the flood zone. That is often the area that is wooded on this photograph. So this is looking east on east-awards street. Here you see the Robbins-Ness subdivision and the Homes in this direction. And then finally, this is looking to the west on East Howard Street. The Ridgewood Forest subdivision is off to the right. The subject property would be off to the right kind of back behind the photo would be where the construction activity is occurring. So just to go through the most recent plan that was submitted, this shows a total of 10 dwelling units. So there are two groups of five buildings as you come into the property on Cancreek Lane. And that would be a public city maintained street that's shown with a 50 foot right of way and a sidewalk that runs along the right of way. There is some landscaping that was shown on the plan, including using the natural vegetation that exists where you saw that on the photo, on the western side of the property near the creek and on the northern side of the property. there is also a planted buffer indicated with non-crate murdle trees in the area closer to the entrance where the existing vegetation does not exist. And then the applicant indicated on the site plan a screen that included both a row of evergreen shrubs that are five feet apart. And that actually should be six foot screen as far as the height of that. And a six foot tall wooden fence. So typically only one of those elements are required for the screen next to a residential development with the planar development next to a single family. In this case, the applicant site plan does show both of these elements. So there's basically a double screen proposed. Also, as far as the parking, there is parking within a one car garage that's available. There are also two spaces within the driveway of each unit. There are three visitor spaces as well. One of those is handicap accessible. And so typically the ordinance would only require 22 spaces. They're showing 33 if you count the garage space. Plus there is some limited parking that would be available on King Creek Lane on Street. Except for in the turnaround area, we do have a condition that would prohibit that from being used for parking where emergency vehicles would need to turn around. Also, there's a recreation area shown. This is a passive area on the northern side of the property. That includes a barbecue and picnic area, as well as a dog play and walk area. And there's also a mailbox feature that you see there near the visitor parking area. So this is a building elevation that shows the, what the building would be proposed to look like. One major difference between this plan and the plan that was approved in 2018 is that that plan was a single story unit by making these units a two-story. the building footprint is reduced. So that if you look at the site plan and see the area that's now recreation space, there were two dwelling units in that area and then four dwellings in each of these buildings as you come in to the property on the left. The way you got to that was not been one was different. Sure, sure. So that's one of the key differences. Right, so because of that, as we'll get, as we're going through the analysis, it's still 10 units. The City Council did review a different plan in 2021. That included a total of 16 dwelling units. And so there were concerns at that time, just the overall density, the topography, the flood area, the congestion on the street with limited parking. And so this plan reduces that number down to 10. Also, the applicant originally filed a request that went before the planning board last month with this particular request for 14 dwellings rather than 10. So after feedback from the Planning Board and from the surrounding property owners, the applicant did revise the plan back down to 10 dwellings. So I think we've covered all that with item four about half of the property is in a flood zone that's talked about in item 5. Item 6 gives you the description of the identity residential zoning district. So that is there in your reports as well. So there has been some additional growth in this area since 2018 when this plan was approved at that time. So there's been more build out of the Robbins Nest community with additional phases there. There was also some property on the intersection of East Orange Street and Goldhill Road that was reasoned actually from commercial to residential back a few years ago. We covered the proposed landscaping on number eight and so just to kind of rehash what the applicant is doing that exceeds this zoning ordinance, we don't see anything that's deficient but they have provided the additional parking with 33 spaces instead of 22. And they also are proposing both the, on the eastern side of the property that has probably more impact in terms of its proximity to the property, both a six-foot solid fence and a row of evergreen shrubs. So, this also, East Austria is a state maintained minor thoroughfare. And if you look at the capacity that's shown in the transportation plan, that does show that it has a capacity of 9,500 vehicles per day. The latest traffic data from NC DOT indicates a total of 800 vehicles per day along East Allred Street. We have routed this updated plan to NC DOT. You have that email in your report. They had no concern with this change in the request. So this is in the neighborhood residential area on the proposed land use map. It's in the primary growth area because of being inside the city limits. We have a total of three goals and policies that are supportive of the request and three that are less supportive of the request. Number one would be the land development plan, conformity, and also being located in a flood zone and along steeper slopes. So in terms of proposed conditions, most of these are very standard in terms of the zoning permitting and the applicant agreeing to the use and agreeing to the conditions. item E deals with landscaping that's shown in the front yard area, and on the western side of the property that if for whatever reason any work to be removed, which we don't anticipate because there is no improvement, there are no improvements or there's no utilities going in that area, but it would require that that be replanted with a buffer if that were to be disturbed. Item F gives some flexibility on the additions to the if there's concrete pads, pads within the lot area that the applicant would have that ability to enclose those. item, GE deals with sewer details on the preliminary plot, which would be required through the subdivision approval. Item H is asking for more detail on the site plan, on the recreation area we did receive written confirmation of what the recreation area would be with the passive features that I mentioned. That wouldn't need to be shown on the plan. Item I, as the condition that I mentioned about no vehicles being allowed to be part within the turnaround area, because of not impeding emergency or operations, emergency access or city operations. Item J gives some flexibility to the mailbox unit if the postal service wishes to have that located in a different location. Items, item K deals with sewer that that not encroach, that no structure encroach into any sewer easement. And then there's another utility item on item L that if there are water lines required for hydrants, those would need to be within an easement, serving, would need to be done by the applicant. Item M deals with traffic signs being installed by the developer. Item N goes through the list of approvals that the applicant would need to have once again with this, just as they did with the previous request. And then item O is the standard memorandum of land use, the restrictions that would need to be recorded for the property. So, staff's consistency statement with this revised request is that while the request has higher density than the surrounding land uses, a key component of determining whether the proposal fits the neighborhood residential designation includes many elements that are provided on the plan. Those include sidewalks, open and recreation spaces, clustering the development outside of those environmentally sensitive areas, such as flood plains and steep slopes. We also see on the plan that it addresses environmental constraints by reducing the footprint, the buildings are further away from the flood areas and those areas of steeper slope than what was on the previous plan. So we do have a plan development already approved. So what our analysis hinges on is comparing the approved plan with the proposed plan and given some of the prior comments, we believe that having less of a building footprint on those environmentally sensitive parts of the property, having more screening with the double row of the shrubs and the fence, having more parking than what was shown on the previous plan and what's required. And all of those items together make this more in keeping with the land development plan than the previous request. So we would state that this does promote a reasonable designation that balances the public interest and balances that with the interest of the property owner, the neighbors and the surrounding community. So we would recommend approval of the request. Now, the planning board recommended a different request, so you have that in your packets based on the 14 dwellings. They were reviewing a different level of density. and so the planning board recommended that the request be denied, but that was based on having 14 dwellings rather than the 10 that the applicant sent to revise their site plan to show. So I'll be glad to take any questions at this time. Yes sir. It's not going to be anything we sold. They would be set up to be sold. So they would be on each separate lot that could be conveyed. That's the intention. Yes, sir. We would send the garbage truck down through there. Since it's the roads in the city, is that right or the would they have? Yes, sir, that's correct. So it would be a city, city, maintain, street. And it does have the turnaround. Public works reviewed that and determined it was satisfactory. Anybody else? of there applicants here? Yes, sir. They are. With that, let's break. Yes. I'm Christian Vessel with the Civil Engineering team that's put together the plans and various changes back and forth. Lanny Hadrick, he's the applicant. I don't know. I think John did a very good job of bringing us up to speed through where we've been from and where we've come to, so any specific questions for us at this time? Are you amenable to the conditions that have been set forth? Yes, ma'am. Yes. When these homes like the old flood insurance or something like that, so close to the creek there, that's what worries me. Yeah, actually the elevation steps up tremendously to the finished floor elevation of the home. None of these homes would require a flood certificate of insurance. They're out of the flood point. Correct. If you look at the site plans, the flow levels way higher can't take exactly, but way higher than the flood zone. And by reducing the size of this house, town homes, they're just not as deep. And it is a challenging site. You know, I'm a great contractor. I think you've got some great experience as well. Once we get out there, that's why we kind of come back to the table. It doesn't build that well all that way. And it is a challenging site. You know, I'm a great contractor. I think that's what I think is great. It's as well. And once we get out there, that's why we kind of come back to the table. It doesn't build that well all that way. You don't make money on all the deals. This is what I want to just want to get away from. I don't know if it's from Spain. It's really good. But the end of the day, you get a small lift ramp, you get out of that, the dog park, and the recreational area, it fits better. And it's a better plan. We're giving up on the 14 or 16. I'm going to over that. We just want to move on with this. And we've you all. Thank you. Thank you. And we're looking at it four times. And the dance here is not a little fly. I'm pretty hard-headed, though. I'll give up. And he did a great job. I'm going to ask you questions. Thank you. You know the questions. Okay. Does anyone in the audience who would like to address the council regarding this request. My name is Thomas Tennyson. I live in the Robinsonest area. And I don't really have a particular objection at this point. I mean, it's a done deal as far as I can tell. I was in front of you the first time two or three years ago and the council rejected the entire development. But it turned out it was grandfathered and couldn't be stopped and COVID had an extension and all this kind of stuff. So I have two comments that, number one, it should never have been built. And I think the gentleman has decided it should never have been built. He's losing money on this on this project. And the only other thing that I would say is that I walked the property a month or So I and I actually took some pictures. But on the east side, there was quite a cut out of a side of the hill. And basically at the back of Hilda de Cortez's property, she's the first one. She would be the first one there. Back of her property, I'm guessing there's a falloff, and I have a picture if you want to see it, but it doesn't have a dimension on it. There's a falloff of maybe 12 feet. And that's probably the maximum falloff, it would go from, not quite 12 feet to 12 feet at the rear of her property and then probably degrade a little bit. And, you know, I'm not a civil engineer, a mechanical engineer. But I got to tell you that a six foot wood fence is probably not going to stop that when that fall off, you know, with the changing of the seasons and the wet and the dry and all that stuff. I mean to me it cries for a retaining wall. Anybody want to see much picture. You really can't see it here, but from the back of her property, and there's probably an easement, a little bit of an easement there, and it's almost a straight falloff. And the maximum I'm guessing is 12 feet. And you're talking about a six. I saw it. It's scary looking really. I mean, did you look at it? Yeah, at the back of it. Yeah. All these houses are going to go down and just like that. Yeah. I asked a question of Christian. Sir, do you know what the finish lock will be on that? One, two, three, one. One, one, one, or more favorable. It has its cut in, see see for the one on one that's just overcut to get everything graded in but it's going to be straight back to one or more feasible than that and it's nowhere in there to finish grade at this point it does look severe to your point finish grade will be at a maximum of two to one that what you're saying one to one then it could be varying between one to one to one. And it also could increase the sort of the slope he is more we can bring that toe out. Yeah, and if you look at the footage there, we've not cleared to the property line at this point. I've left that buffer there to try to be mindful of the neighbors. Fresh. And that route, I've just been to the sewer in, it's made a steep cut. Once I clear a little bit more and go back to it. The slug will be less severe than we put the wood fence up and the screen. So it does look a little nasty now. It's just rough and rainy. In any picture, we would look at it this time but have no relevant growth. Absolutely. It wouldn't need my perspective to finish great. No, I'll answer that. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any more than else? Have you established a floor level? Yeah, when people have one settle, they'll announce the size of the nurses there. Okay. I got one of the correspondents of this, to looking at. Got one of the correspondents of the topo. It's to try to let him know. Hang on now. That is. You're going to have a conversation. You need to come back up to him. You just answered it. You're good. It wasn't relevant. I mean, I'll say it was relevant, but it wasn't informative as we needed. I can't hear you either. Yeah. I'll buy you a hearing aid. That's why I'm wondering. He had a good, reasonable question and he got a good answer. All right. Well, that's why we don't generally have a conversation in the audience. Yeah. Um, I'm sorry, I started. I started it. I started it. All right. Any other questions? What do you wish, Mr. Counsel? Mayor based on the consistency statement provided by staff and given the next-with modification I move to approve the consistency statement as well as the request with the added conditions which are amenable to the applicant. We have a motion by Mr. Baal to approve the consistency statement and to grant the rezoning request and with the attached conditions. So I have a second. Second. Do you hear that? I heard that one. I get it. All right. Joey Trogden gets the discussion. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. All right. I'm going, 13A is the legislative hearing which I will open. It's a number RZ25Z 25-03. A request to ResonProperty Locate at 467-471. This is 467-481. Sir, thank you very much. Good evening. I'll begin tonight with an overview of RZ 25. The applicant for this case is Jamie Promo. He's also the property owner. Again, the request is to amend an existing B2 general commercial, conditional zoning district for a manufacturing, processing, and assembly life land use. As the mayor mentioned, this is two properties, two pin numbers. They are 467471 and extorts it. In total, they comprised roughly .97 acres. The existing land use on the properties, one property has an existing manufacturing processing and assembly light land use. The other has a single family dwelling. There is some zoning history to these properties. For 467 East Dorset, there was a CUV2 zoning approved with additional East permit for manufacturing processing and assembly like. Specifically, lawful process is evolving agriculture on food products. This was 2017, CUP 1701. Not soon after, 471 East Dorset, there was a CUB2 zoning approved. That was RZ 1702. However, there was no conditional use permit issued for that property. We'll point out this hearing has been properly advertised, which the required notice provided in your package is on the screen. Continuing, this is in the corporate limits, both properties that are not located in any overlay district. The city utilities are available. In fact, there is a portion of a city of Ashburse sewer easement that exists on one of the properties. East Norset is a local street and it is city maintained. When we look at the surrounding land use, we have residential to the north, commercial to the south. East is also residential and to the west commercial. And you'll see that on this zoning map here. And zooming into the adjoining properties, residential and yellow, general commercial B2 and red. These properties are very close to the center city planning area. However, they are not within that overlay district, but this just shows just a few properties away and This is the top one utility map showing the existing infrastructure in the area and an aerial map showing the surrounding development Move into some pictures. This is an oblique map showing the property. You'll see the existing manufacturing use on the left, the existing single-family dwelling on the right that make up both properties. This is looking at the property from East Dorsey Drive. Again, the house is in front of the manufacturing facilities in the back. This is looking kind of down the property line between the two properties. You'll see the survey states separating those two. This is looking at the existing manufacturing facility. This is looking east on the east north of Drive towards Dixie Drive or Cliff Road. And this will be looking west towards Cox Street. So moving on to the analysis, the proposed land use, again, management processing and sending light, specifically as time and continuing, specifically for long-for-processes involving agricultural and food products. In your packet for the information, we did include the fee to district statement of intent and also the definition for manufacturing light. Manufacturing light is permitted into B2 zoning district via special use permit. There are specific special use permit standards similar to what you guys just saw with the billboard and they are here on the screen and in your packets for reference. Generally light calls out limits on employees and limits on the amount of horsepower in the machinery used. The applicant proposes to construct the 4800 square foot addition for additional manufacturing storage area. This includes a connecting structure to the existing building. The proposed driveway cut you'll see on the site plan has been reviewed by the engineering department and has been determined eligible for a driveway permit. There were some technical corrections on the site plan when it was reviewed by the planning board, those have been addressed. As we start to turn towards the site plan, we want to point out some deviations from the typical or the general B2 zoning requirements. Two, you will point out as one is related to the number of employees. Typically that is 10 per larger shift per property. The applicant is requesting 25 employees on the larger shift. You'll also see a modification to the screen along the Eastern property line. Typically this would be a screen C that includes a six-bit tall opaque fence and evergreen trees. The applicant proposes to use a solid opaque fence but use existing vegetation rather than planning new vegetation. The location of the city sewer easement also affects the screen. So here is the site plan. We'll point out a few things. The existing building is on the left. The new proposed building is on the right. To the rear and the side, you'll see kind of a bubbled area that's the existing vegetation that we've reserved. Along that eastern property line, you'll see a solid six-foot fence and that stops that where the sewer easement crosses into the property. You'll also see the added parking and loading area and also front yard landscaping that meets the standard requirements. This is the building elevation looking at the front of the building. The applicant proposes a stucco finish front to match the existing building. The remaining sides will be metal. So, giving that side plan, we'll go through the summary of proposed conditions. Again, the use is manufacturing processing assembly light involving. Conditions B, C and D are standard conditions related to permitting. E speaks to the number of employees allowing that to be 25. F speaks to the modified screen on the eastern side of the property line stating that the existing vegetation must be preserved and maintained in perpetuity and necessary replace necessary replaced to continue the screen's effectiveness and the screen must be installed prior to the issuance of a CO. And lastly is the requirements to record and memorandum of land use restrictions. As we evaluate the site plan and the proposal, we look to the plan consistency and reasonableness. The proposed land use map deserting exist. These properties are neighborhood residential. The growth strategy map desert makes them as primary growth. We fill there are some goals supporting this request. That includes the growth strategy map. There are no environmental hazards. And also this request would lead to employment opportunities for the city. There are some goals and policies not supporting the request. That would be excused type of there, I should say, not compliant with the proposed land use map. And checklist side of three is that it does not fit his zoning district statement of intent due to the location on a local street. Taking those into account, the staff recommendation is to approve the request of the attaching condition to summarize the planning board agreed and also recommends approval of attaching conditions to summarize and you have their plan adopted plan consistency and reasonable the statements in front of you and it's also in your packet, generally speaking to both within the area, changing conditions in the area and allowing the property owner to develop in a command or this compatible with surrounding land uses. With that said, I'll be happy to address any questions the council may have. Your action, I and I are to adopt a plan in consistency, plan in consistency in reasonable statements. And secondly, approve or deny. If the council wishes to approve, the council may attach to zoning conditions that or with modification. Justin with 25 people on shift, will we have parking adequate? Yes, the parking is compliant for 25 employees. It does meet his only ordinance minimum for that employee amount. For the question. Condust it. Applicant here. Would you like to speak? Good evening Mayor and Council, I'm Jamie Cromley. I'm the owner of this property. I wanted to just give a little bit of back history on this setup. I know that second lot, 467 has been in existence now since 2017 and 471 was re-zoned at that point to be the business commercial. So we've left it as residential until our business kind of grew to a point where we might feel like we need to expand. And that has happened quite quickly. We had originally applied for a grant to the state of North Carolina to help us look at expanding this business. And we found out in the fall that we were successful and we were a recipient of a North Carolina economic development grant in order to expand at this location in this capacity. So that kind of started the ball rolling for us to be able to expand. We've been met with storage issues. We don't really have manufacturing space issues. It's storage. It's calls us to have a situation where we've had to bring in two shipping containers outside of the facility in order to store product in while it ships out, which is extremely inconvenient, but it's part of business growth. And so what adding on to this building, and we don't, we're adding on because we're already there, but technically it could stand alone. With the staffing question, each law is allowed 10. So it was going to be 10 on 467 and that small building and 10 employees in the other building, which would be a combination of 20. So the differentiation is five. And that was simply because they asked the absolute max, I mean at this point I don't foresee us hitting that number. With the expansion, the intention is for this location to be more of a draw storage. There wouldn't actually be, for us there wouldn't actually be full manufacturing going on in that location. It would just be a place to allow us to have a storage capacity, which would allow us, this is one of the questions that the planning board, it would allow us to remove the shipping containers out of the way. They are not conducive for us, which would also give us access back to the back portion of 467, where the dumpsters are supposed to be back there in the back. Also, prior to this meeting, we were approved to be able to add in an enclosed dumpster storage space. So on the other side of the building would be a 15 foot wide by 20 foot building that actually would hold a dumpster inside. That way what we can do is we can start moving our dumpsters back to where they're supposed to be and we're going to go a step farther and actually put them inside of a unit. So they'd be a roll-up door that we can access so that we would roll it up. The trash company would come and dump it and then put it back in. We did that because we had had some issues where the dumpster company would be dumping, and they don't always dump perfectly, and then that left kind of a mess. So this was a really good solution for us. We've been working with the way the city waste department in order to make sure that we do this works effectively. So we're really trying to make sure that we expand. It's a 4,000 square foot building, so it's pretty small. We did that so we could say completely off the property lines that have residential to really pull that up and come even farther off. So but this economic really, you know, we had four people come down from the Department of Ag toward the facility and see kind of the dire need that we're in for additional storage within our facility. And so that was a really big, a big bonus that's going to help spur those extra jobs. Part of that grant is also being able to hire some additional employees. So we're trying to merge all of those together and give us a little extra storage space over there. The proposed conditions are menable to you? Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Anybody else? Thank you. Anyone else in the room that would like to address this request? Come on out, ma'am. Good evening. My name is Patricia Finnegan-Hunter and I am the adjacent neighbor to this property. And I just want to make sure that the sewer system can handle this in that area. I know that is one of the oldest portions of the sewer in Ashbur. There is a constant smell there already. We complain regularly and it's not being truly addressed at this point. So my main concern is if they're going to have up to 25 employees that's going to be more than one bathroom I'm assuming where the house is currently there, house one restroom. Can the sewer handle the additional output that may be there and then can dorset street itself handle the extra traffic with it being such a small. Right. So that's just I want to make sure those things are addressed or checked. And if we could check into the sewer in some way that would be lovely just for the people that live there. We complain about the smell frequently. Sure you've been, the city has tried to explain it, but you've got the station there that smells bad all the time. Everything from the jail back to town, it's been developed since that live station, where the bill goes to the live station. And that lift station is kind of undersized for that growth. And we're putting chemicals in it regularly. That are not helping. That's not helping. Okay. We can't enjoy the outside of our homes. We've really been having an issue with that. And so if there's going to be more construction things, I want her to do well. I have no issue with that as long as we can address the current things that are making it unpleasant for the people who are already living there. That live station is a total reddo. Okay. Is that in the plans? In Ashboro in general? Yeah, the water resources is having conversations about what the best remedy is. Or is there a relationship we do? We do realize the chemical treatment. I'll come out there and say any day when it's 60 degrees or above. Just sit. I think there is, I know there is recognition on the our staff's part that the chemical treatment is not adequate right now. It is under investigation, no? Thank you. How much water does certain manufacturing plant use? Approximately, I may. I would have to look and see what the total number of gallons is, but I think like our water bill is never really over $200 a month at our plant. Yeah, so I could look up the, but for actual manufacturing, we don't produce a lot of water at all. And I will second that because I've actually had to explain to a lot of my customers that it's not us that is smelling. Because a lot of our customers come in to think it's us and I'm like, I will second the sewer issue, but yeah, total water usage, we're not a heavy use. I mean, we spray down at the end of the day and do a quick wash down, but our manufacturing process is not a heavy water usage. So definitely not like a fabric or die house or something like that. Yeah. Thank you. No problem. Okay. So, this is our problem. See you. No problem with anybody. So what's our problem? See, he's problem. Uh-huh. Anyone else? Of course, it was painful. Here basically on the The question is, can I ask you a question? They are based on the consistency statement provided by staff. I'm going to approve the conditions on together with the zoning conditions as summarized by staff and amenable to the applicant. I have a motion by Mr. Beall to have a second. I can play a Mr. Beall. Thank you, Mr. Marker. discussion. on paper say aye. Aye. All opposed. It does sound like we need to move to public station projects will hire on the priority. You will give a mic on that tomorrow. Yes sir. What are planning? As long as I've been sitting here 28 years ago, I can tell you that I've heard about it. Plane City. We will work to see if we can include that in the upcoming budget that you all see. Thank you. Given the size of the lines in that area, it may be some other rerouting with some of the bookstations planned. But not necessarily the station that still lines going into the station. That's what you do. The dams in the building can do more than just the books. Okay. I am 13C. Right. V, the cell open for case number RZ 25-704. Request to Resonepropylene okay 131 and 137 North Randolph Avenue. Sir, I'll begin again with an overview of this case. The applicant is General McKenzie, the property owner of Brandon Allen. The request is to apply B2 General Commercial Zoning for rental sales of domestic vehicles and open storage land uses on two properties, 131 and 137 North Randolph Avenue. In total, the property is comprised around half an acre and the existing land use is undeveloped. There is some zoning history to one of these properties, 137 Randolph is the corner property of Salisbury and North Randolph Avenue. In 2020, a CUB2 zoning was approved by council and a conditional use permit issued for a rental sales of domestic vehicles land use. There isn't a zoning history for 131 Randolph and it is on residential. So you have a mixture of one property being on conditional B2, one property in zone split, R75 and R10. Again, I'll point out this hearing has been properly noticed and you'll have those dates in front of you and in your packet. These properties are in appropriate limits. They are not located in any overlay district and city utilities are available. When we look at transportation, East Salisbury Street is a major thoroughfare. North Randolph Avenue is a local street. Salisbury forces state maintains. North Randolph is city maintained. Some traffic notes looking at it to 23 daily traffic counts for section of East Salisbury. East Salisbury, this section is over capacity. It would roughly 15,500 cars a day. The existing capacity is 12,900. There is a transportation improvement project planned for this area to make corridor improvements. However, it is currently unfunded. We look at surrounding land use to the north. There is commercial zoning to the south as residential east, also residential and to the west commercial, which you'll see on this zoning map. I was going to run to the adjoining properties. This is an aerial view of the site. Let's see if the plan is undeveloped with a mixture of commercial around this intersection and then residential to the south. Looking at the Tofo and utility map, again city utilities are in this area. This is an aerial view of the site. Just to give you an overhead look of what these two properties look like. This is a photo looking east on Salisbury Street going towards the mall would be looking west back towards downtown and Elm Street. This would be looking at the subject property and North Randolph Avenue. Again, the subject property with Randolph Avenue in front of you. And this is the subject property, the opposite. This would be the property line that it butts the single family dwelling to the south. And then this is looking on North Randolph Avenue towards Warp Street. So the proposed land use is again, rental sales of domestic vehicles and open storage. These properties were previously used for single-family dwellings. They've both been removed and the property is now undeveloped. RZCUP-2001, again authorized of rental sales of domestic vehicles land use. In compliance with the approved conditions and site plan on the 137 North Randolph Avenue property. However, that development has not been implemented. The current use of the 137 and 131 Randolph properties is not authorized by RZCUP-2001, or the residential zoning districts. And a notice of outlation has been issued by the Code Enforcement Office. We'll point out the adjoining property does feature a motor vehicle repair and rental sales of the message vehicles land use. And is intended to serve as the office and required parking for the proposed land uses. Cross access between the subject property and the adjoining property is proposed. The adjoining property is currently on B2 and is not part of this request, although they will share across access. In your packets, again, is the B2 statement of intent for your reference. We've also included some relevant zoning ordinance definitions as far as vehicles and open storage. A will point out open storage does allow storage of a lot of things, supplies, merchandise, vehicles. However, it does not permit the storage of what the ordinance defines as a junk or junk motor vehicles. Can you define that? Not the top of my head, but it's in there. When you see it. Yeah. Rental cells of domestic vehicles and open storage are permitted by right in the B2 commercial district. A screen D given these proposed uses would be required along the southern property line that abuts a single family dwelling. Screen deed is not from it a chain link fence as it's fencing option. It does require a solid water vinyl fence or that abuts a single family dwelling. Screen deed is not permitted to chain link fence as a fencing option. It does require a solid voter vinyl fence or wall. An important condition of RZCUP-2001 was no driveway access from North Randolph Avenue. The applicant proposes a condition of no driveway access from North Randolph Avenue so that will continue. I will point out also that in the condition zone application, it may see reference to an impound lot. However, this use is no longer being requested. As it also does not fit within the definition of open storage, that would be vehicle towing storage. And that is limited to industrial districts only. So again, open storage is the requested use, and that would not permit storage of junk or tow vehicles awaiting disposition. Different kind of job. When we turn to looking at the site plan, we want to look at what, how that site plan may differ from the standard B2 general requirements? There are really no deficiencies requested or deviations requested in this proposal. There are a couple items the applicant is proposing to go above and beyond the typical requirements that would be one of which is a wooden privacy fence, six being high along the E Salisbury Street and North Randolph Avenue frontage. The second is the condition that no driveway access shall be permitted from North Randolph Avenue. And I'll turn to the side plan. You have the full at your places, but I've zoomed in a little bit to for better clarity. And I'll point out some areas highlighted here. You'll see at the top the proposed wooden privacy fence along the streets. You'll see a long North Randolph Act Avenue note access, no driveway is proposed. You'll see the landscaping of shrubbery proposed along both streets. While the trees are not shone, there is a screen D proposed along that southern property line, which would be a staggered row of evergreen trees, not less than six feet in height at the time of planting and also the solid fence. You'll see the cross-axis, cut, driveway cut, that will be behind the existing repair shop. not really here, but there isn't existing chain link fence that runs the property line between the repair shop and these properties. And you will see a condition that requires that existing chain link fence to have screen material added to it to be compliant with open storage screen requirements. So we'll summarize the proposed zoning conditions. Again, use rental sales and massive vehicles open storage. BC&D, again, are standard permitting conditions. E speaks to an opaque chain link fence that's not permitted as a method of screaming along the streets. Instead, solid wood and fencing shall be provided and it shall be painted or stained and meet in redocked finish. That's language out of the downtown overlay this being borrowed there. Also the decorative side shall be adjacent to the public right of way and residential is on property and all fencing shall be maintained in perpetuity. Again, the condition that speaks to adding screen material to the existing chain link fence that runs between the repair shop and the properties, G speaks to no driveway access from North Randolph Avenue, H speaks to no sign as being permitted on any fencing. Lastly, I, as the standard condition, require a recordation of the memorand end of the land use restrictions. So starting the request and looking at the LDP and the reasonableness, the proposed land use map does both of these properties as commercial. They are in the primary grip strategy area. So there are some goals and policies supporting the request, being compliant with the proposed land use map. It does fit the B2 statement of intense since no access from Randolph is proposed. It is in the primary grip strategy area and it would lead to a reuse of vacant land. There are goals and policies that do not support the request. City, the land development plan has policies that speak to having transitional land uses between commercial and residential. There are also goals and policies that speak to design. And I think a question here is the fencing and the landscaping enough to make this request fit in harmony with the surrounding residential area. So this is a very close call. In the end, the planning board and staff recommendation is to approve the request, attaching the conditions to summarize with the planning board consistency and reasonable witness statements leaning in on the proposed land use map designated properties as commercial and there being some offered conditions that go above the standard B2 zoning requirements and the use is being permitted by right into B2 district. So again, the action items for Council tonight is to adopt a consistency in reasonable statements as well as a Approver to nigh of the zone. to be too district. So again the action items for council tonight is to adopt a consistency in reasonable statements as well as approve or deny the zoning map amendment and if moving to approve attaching conditions as summarized or with modification. I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. Okay, so the porcel. So the parcel this identified as 8960 is currently residential. That correct? Yes. The parcel area 8,960. Yes, that is currently on residential. And the conditional zoning was for the other parcel on Salisbury. Yes, that is correct. Okay. And the car, yes. Yes, yes, yes, for car sales. And so the only access is through an adjoining landfill. Yes, that is correct. So there's no other access? No, there's no other access proposed on this side plan. And likely any access proposed would be a modification if approved and would require council action, whether that be on Randolph or Salisbury. And Salisbury of course would be subject to DOT driveway permitting. Thank you. You said remind me, I'm sorry. No, go ahead. remind me of what it was they said they were withdrawing. There was a storage thing, not the junk stuff. What's the fuss about? Yeah, there was something that was on the ground lot. Yes, it had a man-bound lot. So there is no man-bound lot. There's no man-bound. There's no man-bound. There's no man-bound. There's no man-bound. There's no man-bound. There's no man-bound. There's no man-bound. use under this request. So they're storing vehicles until they get them, until they fix the vehicles, is that what they're doing? I would allow them to address that, but it seems that way at the moment. Can you address the current zoning violation? Yeah. They are essentially, it's a general violation of instituting a land use without obtaining a zoning compliance permit. Of course, the current land use would be ineligible to acquire a zoning permit as it is not the permitted use authorized by the council through the 2001 zoning approval. It was a lengthy, I believe it began right around COVID March isish in 2020 and was eventually approved, I believe, in July. Initially filed as a general, he's owning request. I think with input from the Council and neighbors, they modified that to a conditional zoning request specific for a rental sales of domestic vehicles land use and that and a site plan were approved. They remedied the citation or whatever they were notified regarding the desoting in their non-equipment. No. There's still going on I guess or has that? The land use is still going on at least last that we have have visited the site and it's in the pictures. Hello. This is the City of the Exhibition and Consultation Association. First. This land use is still going on, at least last, that we have visited the site and it's in the pictures. How long have you been since this was an issue? I believe the citation was issued in December and within a matter of a couple weeks they file, this zoning amendment request was filed. But there's still using the land. Yes. Okay. Have there been other citations or just the one? No. Since the rezoning request has been filed, the violation has stayed. Yes. I received a phone call regarding the scene in condition here in the thought of the I thought it was. So that's the reason I'm asking. That hours of operation. That was, that has been discussed with the applicant. Ultimately, that has not been requested to be added. It was also discussed Monday at the planning board meeting, but the planning board did not move to modify the conditions as they were presented, including hours of operation or noise, was also discussed. So there's not any so much for government in accurate assumption. I'll give you a minute. All right. Any other questions or just an? We've got other people on to speak. Okay. Who in the audience would like to address council regarding this request? May I do believe the applicant does have a presentation for you? All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. We'll get a stop now. Thank you, Joseph. It's freezing in here. It's lovely, can I? I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to. Okay. I didn't know I'd not give mine up. I'm moving out of the cake budget for deep. Well, yeah, I was going to say we need to turn the air. Turn the air. So, I. Thank you, Donald. I'm going to want to know with email. I'll be at the phrase of it. I'll be at the phrase of it. No, I'm good. I'll be at the call. I'll be at the call. I'll be at the call. I'll be at the call. I'll be at the call. I'll be at the call. with a similar example. I understand. I'll read your message. And if you'll hand me my electric blanket, we can. That's what we need is a little blanket up here. OK, that's right. It's been branded. That's right. It's been branded. There was a benefit. Perfect. Thank you very much. That looks a whole lot better than day of last week. Perfect, thank you so much. That looks a whole you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. That looks a whole lot better than the last week. Yes. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Hi, Mayor. And board. I'm Jenna McKenzie. I'm here representing the Allen family on 131 and 137. Randolph Avenue, which are both currently vacant lots. Straight across from it, we've got Leo's car wash, which does have a fence, but no trees in front of it, which will be addressed later on. Then to the west of it, we've got the Kyle Coe gas station, and then we've got the sea store. So commercial is all around this property. This is the house. I believe it's a rent house. It's located directly behind the proposed parking area. I will say the tenants vehicle has actually been one of the cars parked in the grass area that we're talking about tonight. It's been parked there for a while and she just moved it yesterday and it's now parked on Randolph Avenue. And you can see on the right hand side of the screen that there's already a partial privacy fence there in between. Then you've got Atlas Automotive, which I know we're not here in particular talking about it, but Atlas Automotive, this lot has everything to do with the vacant lot. So I want to make sure that we address it. Atlas Automotive is owned and ran by a local business owner. They do minor repairs. So oil changes inspections, breaks, maintenance, but their business is booming, which is great, but they need more parking. There's just not enough parking there. They currently have, I believe it's five or six employees, they have five bays and the parking is just not sufficient for them. Let's see, here is the current zoning. And I know that we had talked about it before with Justin, but you've got Atlas Automotive what I call the front lot is B2 but it's conditional zoning. Right now it can only be used for car sales. That's the conditional zoning. It was that originally happened because Brandon Allen wanted to open a used car lot there and his classic car is there since then his family has bought down on Highway 64 and their whole operation is down there. He rented out to Atlas Automotive several years ago and they've been there. I think it's three going on four years. The rear lot is still zoned R7.5 R10, which is residential. We're asking that that entire both empty lots be zoned, be too with conditional use for the parking lot. The real reason that we especially need that back lot is you'll see in order to avoid an entrance on Randolph Avenue or on Salisbury Street. Our proposed plan is to go around the back of Atlas Auto and enter into that rear lot. So that's really why we need a rear lot. I know on Monday nights, if you guys were listening in, it was mentioned by a couple people that spoke that this stretch of Salisbury Street had historically been not so great they talked about crime and violence and drugs and graffiti and all of these things. I will mention that has not been the case, wherever been the case, for Atlas Automotive. It's a small business. They're just trying to make an honest living, but they are falling short on the city code at times, which we will also address. I'm ultimately here to try to assist them in bringing that property up to code, and I'll just do that, but to improve the overall condition of all three lights owned by the Allen family. And now it's time to be brutally honest. I know that we all drive by this every day. I drive by it every day. It does not look great. It looks relic of better words for me. It looks junky. They've got some broken down cars out there. They've got the bus in the back. They were receiving violations for parking on the grass. So then they started parking in the public spots on Randolph Avenue. Well then of course that made the neighbors upset that they were parking on Randolph Avenue and creating congestion there. So they're kind of between this rock and our hard place. And we really are just trying to do our best, keep the city happy, keep the community happy, but they just, the truth is they need extra parking. So let's go with the original plan. So this was our original plan that we proposed. The main difference you can see where the red arrow is. There was an entrance from Randolph Street. Nobody liked that. The board did not like that. They felt like it was too close to the intersection. They're on Salisbury Street. They talked about traffic and the neighbors did not like the entrance being there either. So we came back. We represented, we tried to be very flexible and we presented this updated plan, which I know you guys have in front of you too. With the updated plan, there is no entrance from Randolph Avenue. So we've cut that off and the privacy fence will just go straight down. We have said that we will do a six foot wood privacy fence. So one of the nicest fences that you can buy. And then we said that we would plant mature ever greens, at least I think it says six feet tall. And it would be at a minimum of 15 feet apart. We're really wanting to utilize this empty lot and again, improve the community so that we're not parking on Randolph, we're not looking junky on the green grass. We want to keep Daniel Carr, who's the owner of Atlas Automotive. We want to keep his business open. Because like I said, it is thriving. It's creating jobs. He's doing a good job as far as the business. We do not want to disrupt the people that live on Randolph Avenue. We want to be good neighbors and we want to be within the rules of the city. And we don't want to park cars on the side of Randolph Avenue. That is not ideal for the citizens on Randolph and it's not ideal for atlas automotive. I want to show you what I think, oh, let me mention that on this we are going and adjust and set it above and beyond beyond the minimal requirement with the type of fence and with the tall trees and all of that. We're really really trying to be flexible and compromise and offer something of better value than just what the minimum requirement would be. This for me is easier. It looks a little elementary. I did it myself. I'm sorry. But it shows you where the fence line would be. That's the wooden fence. And then the green dots are all of the evergreen trees. and then you see the red arrows, which would be the new proposed entrance. Now, I know you can't see it. You can't see the topography on this map. But up against Salisbury Street, where the chain link fence starts right there, there's a retaining wall. I think it's 28 to 30 inches tall. But as you go backwards towards the back of the chain link fence, it does start to level off. So right now, even today, you can cross through the way that it is. So the grade of the land is conducive for creating an entrance there. They would be grading the land to make it perfectly flat, doing the gravel, adding the fence, and adding the trees. I know we had a question on Monday night about what was the distance between the buildings and the property lines, so I wanted to address that. Oh, and those are very tiny little red arrows. The approximate distance between the rear bay, so the part that sticks out back there to the back property line is 37.8 feet. And then from the side of the building to the other property line, which is the western property line is 35.4 feet. So there is plenty of room to get through there. And they are using that space right now to go around. Even with the cars parked there, they can fit a truck through and make the turn. And I know that was a question. That was asked on Monday night. We had lots of questions and lots of concerns. So I figured I would just address them while we're here. One of the concerns was, one gentleman said, we plan a trees. And now they're gone. I don't personally know about the trees, but I certainly, not calling anyone a liar, I bet that they were there at some point. I don't know what happened to the trees, but I can tell you that we are part of our conditions is to plant a minimum of six foot tall trees, no less than 15 feet apart. I know trees were also planted at the same time around Leo's car wash and as you could see in one of my previous slides, they don't exist now either. So whatever happened to the trees, one gentleman said that it's not aesthetically pleasing. Again, we're putting up the nicest since we can. We're planning the trees. We're doing the grading and the graveling. We are going above and beyond all of the minimum requirements. So I guess my question for that would be what are the recommendations. Once all these things are done, how could we make it more aesthetically pleasing, a parking area more aesthetically pleasing? One lady was on a video and she said, you know, what about the new sense of adding noise to the neighbor? We have the one neighbor that butts up to the back that I showed you guys a picture of. In my opinion, the only sound that would be added is if the car was entering the lot at nighttime, but I can't imagine that it would be any louder than a car going by her house on Randolph Avenue. I've heard a lot of we're trying to clean this area up not create more headaches or junk We 100% agree. We do not like it being junky. I don't like it drive and seeing it look junky either. I do know that the owner has applied for abandonment on four of those vehicles that are there. The effort is being made, but it has to go through, I guess, the court systems, the legal systems in order for it to be deemed abandoned. So he's done that on four of those vehicles. So four of them out there that you see, we just have to go through the legality of getting rid of them. Another one was the tenant hasn't abided by the rules in the past. So what makes you think that he will now? I spoke to the tenant, we've spoke in length. And he tells me he's like, Jenna, keeping these junk cars, keeping it look bad, keeping it looking bad, it doesn't benefit at least automotive. And if we can do this new rezoning with the new condition, it would really eliminate any of these code violations. If he had a place to park the cars, there wouldn't be a reason for these code violations. And then another question was was how soon could the project be done? I've spoken with the owner, which is the Allen family. They've been getting fencing quotes, so I know they're ready to move forward. They want to keep a good tenant in there. And overall, Atlas Automotive has been a great tenant. They've done well in business. There hasn't been anything bad going on there as far as the business. So they'd like to keep them there, but Atlas needs more parking. I wanted to show you a picture. They're actually here tonight. This is the family. That's their little boy sitting in between the cars. But again, he's just a small business owner. As business is booming, he has five current employees. They work five days a week and then every other Saturday during the daytime. Unlike properties in the area, other properties in the area, there have been no drug deals here. No violence, no murders, it's just hardworking people. They're trying to stay within city regulations while servicing customers. In summary, we are following the proposed late-new SMAP. We're going above and beyond these minimum requirements while maybe neighboring properties are not. We aren't trying to do anything to be a detriment to the community. We're simply trying to utilize an empty lot, keep a small business thriving. We're not even asking to put a building any sort of other business on there. We're simply asking for a parking lot. That's it. I do have the tenant he and his family are here tonight. And I think there's a couple things that he'd like to say after me if you guys have any questions for me. I do. Yeah. The intent of use is not for rental or leasing of course or selling. Of course. I'm sorry. The intended use is not for leasing or selling of auto-mode. No, sir. It's for pork. Yes. Yes. So the conditional use that's on there now is for the sale of vehicles. But that is not what Atlas Automotive does. They do oil changes, brakes, maintenance. The conditional use that was approved was ancillary to the other business to sell and leasing the burden. Yes sir. It was for the front lot on. Yes sir. And this proposed use is to gain access through what is currently a residential life. Correct. And not see the access through the front of the line as was originally proposed in the condition of zoning approved. Correct. Exactly. Yes, sir. Thank you. That's all. Well, let me ask you. I know nothing about the automobile business, the garage business, but Allen's automobiles there for years and years. And they did the same kind of business right. It's just, I don't know. The reason I asked was they never had any, they never used it for any parking lot. I mean, they had everything enclosed. And like I said, they were there for years doing that. I just wonder why he can't do that kind of. He can answer away better than I can. That's fine. How you doing? I'm Daniel Corp. So to answer your question, Mike and Brandon, it was just mainly them and one other technician there. So they didn't strive for a lot of business. They were just constating steady. They more worked on your classics and stuff like that versus we work on classics, newer cars, any vehicles really. And we should have more and more willing to help you out with it. We do have four technicians plus myself. So we try to stay really busy. We've been extremely blessed and we keep a lot of work moving in and out. A lot of the cars don't stay in in our lot and stuff like that. It's always revolving online. But we do stay about two weeks looked out. We try to work customers in left and right as we can, especially like all changes, little quick stuff. But if you have any struts or something like that on your car, we try to set you appointment. So we're not keeping it as long or just have you drop the car off with us. Honestly, the lot, I don't know when first started, wasn't that at all, but then as we grew higher and more technicians started more of our own rental rates on cars than now. We started getting a better reputation, we have really good reviews, and we built a business and a name for a business. So now we're just trying to expand a little bit because we're running out of room for parking. And then today's time also, getting parks and getting stuff is really hard. there's a weight on that 90% of everything. I own 18 liters as well, and shouldn't break stuff is like pulling too much beyond. Nothing to do with that a little bit, so. So if a car comes in this morning, and you need to order stuff or something, you might be looking at a week. So it's a week? If you bring a core in, say you need front struts on it. If I have to look for them and they're not available right now, but say they're two days out, or I gotta get them from Atlanta or something like that, it can be a couple days to a week. It may mean tomorrow, but it all depends on my availability's own parts. So that's when I have talked to the customer. I do, if it's something like struts and it's not a life-threatening thing to still drive, I tell them you're more welcome pick your vehicle up. I'll work it when they get here. We'll get you back in and get it taken care of. Some customers, they're like, I would prefer to just leave there. I think the Allen is probably worked on the end of day out today concept. Lider, lighter repair work. They did and like I said, they did. I know Mike, the father, he focused a lot on your classics and hot rods, stuff like that. I deal with some hot rods but more of your modern Mustangs, Marrow stuff like that as well. I'm curious. Yes sir. What happened to your fans? So to be honest with you that was a big setback. I was actually on the cruise with my family and I got a call when I was coming in to Charleston Port that morning. I had a customer that was from Raleigh. He's a good friend of mine. He's been a customer of mine for a long time. He had a hundred and thirty thousand dollars truck at my shop. We just put a ten thousand dollars out of Wills and Tires on. It was parked in the lot. He was on one truck. He overduckers. No, someone overduck overdosed they wanted to work some he did through my fence for my gate up split a light pole and half and hit his truck head on I ended up having to cover his truck out of pocket the car had insurance and their insurance company would not pay So they couldn't get in touch with the registered owner so they were holding off and paying but I can't tell my customer hey your car got damaged on my property I can't cover anything so to not end bad terms or anything, because I still do business with them. The gate was locked and they had a trip. The company would not play. It ripped it all down and everything. We ended up having to pay for the new gate. I saw it. More than once. It took you while you put that claim down. Yeah. It did. the path that gig was so long that I try to put it on a 28 foot two car hauler to take it over to have it fixed where it had been it. I ended up having a cut the gig and take it two pieces and have them fix it and bring it back to me just because I was like it's not fit and that gig's like 32 foot or something and it was going to be dragging going on the road so we just cut it in half and took it. You know I have a 40 foot rollback. Now I don't have a rollback when I'm really off for no towing services like that. I do have semi's but getting a semi over there is all for extreme being a little enjoyable. All right. I'm sure that other pig at one spake so if you've got anything else to give it to us and then we'll get to the rest of the crowd I have a question and I think I know the answer but I think you have a different client. I live up north ash We have a real problem with Some modern a few bottom motive repair places up there one in particular that's in my mind That usually if I have to call Chuck about a problem that they're parking on the sidewalk or something, you don't have a sidewalk. But they're stacked in there tighter than squares on a Rubens Cube. You couldn't get one out. There's so many of them. And when I first saw this in my agenda, I thought this was one of those. So assure me that it's not. I'll be honest with you. I mean, I don't mind. He's got cards in the middle of their play. No, because he says people can't pay to get out. He speaks to them and they're just stuck there. So we have some of them, not a whole lot. We have a handful of those. And like she was saying to you, I followed paperwork with the DMV. I said 262 form, down to 260 form, I paid for all the paperwork. I'm actually going this week to the courthouse on one of the cars because I'm trying to get titles because I can just send them off to auction. I do have vehicles and try to recuperate my money, get them out of my way to open up some parking. But we, like I said, have a handful of them. But if you drop passers-shop a lot, you'll see if it's any day during week really, and there's not really a slow day. Wednesday might be the evening's day for us sometimes, because we're about that midweek catch up. But any day during the week you come by the shop, it's like in and out, don't matter. And I mean, if you drive by night time, you're like, oh, there's like seven or eight parts, it's open. There ain't nobody out there really stuff. You drive by about 12 o'clock next day. You're like, I can turn it to the parking point. 90% of my customers says I love dealing y'all and do great work. Page of park along. And I understand, I'm We should drive them C.D.L. class state driver. I'm used to driving in tight areas. I've been up north a lot. So I'm used to driving CDO by State driver. I'm used to driving in tight areas. I've been up north a lot so I understand what they mean by they hate it. It's not the best but I'm more better I would say at maneuvering in tighter spots like that so it's not the biggest thing but I do know appearance is a lot. And if I'm trying to win your business over, you don't have to ask anyone to do a start pulling my lot and can't get answer, you're just going to drive off, so I'm not going back there. All right. Anyone else in the audience, if you'd like to, are you done? I'm sorry. Yes, very fine. OK, thank you. Anyone else in the audience who like to address this request? Come on up. Before you get started, I'll make note that Jack and Marcy Cooper, which I happen to know that live right across street or around the left because they're not in the 7 years old and they can stay out all night. So they were here when we started but they left at some point. Well that's good to know. This is up in the station with the signature of other members like 16 properties, tax fares, your passion, and area of this transmission brand-off and of the Senate. Some of them are here tonight and probably like to talk a little bit. Well, boy, it's been a night, hasn't it? I'm not even close. Yeah, I know. So, first I would like to sincerely thank David Smith, all the City Council and the city staff that are here. And it's sort of symbolic that tonight was John Auburn's last night as a city manager to be here to talk about what I would like to share with you. We all know everybody in this room, and this side at least, knows that for about 20 years and John's 24 years, Ashbur has struggled with a lot of challenges to get to where we are today. A former textile and furniture town that lost almost every one of those jobs, and we were all facing some scary times. In the face of these challenges, did Ashbury give up? No, we did not give up. We started to create a new vision and a lot of people worked hard for that. 2016 under the leadership of John Arburn, Ashbury became an all-American city, one of only 10 in the United States that year. It's a pretty big achievement, and that was just the beginning. Our once shuttered downtown, as most of you know, is full of restaurants. Right now it's probably packed with restaurants, cafes, people out and about, and doing things, having fun, and spending money. The new Panasonic Plants can bring 5,000 jobs to our area, well-pay. Ashburts is the kind of place that people want to move to now. And in fact, it's in this spirit that I'll speak for myself, I own two properties, just up the street from there. And then 15 other homes that are represented on this petition, that I would like to suggest that open storage of Automobiles at 131 and 137 Randolph Avenue may not really align with the vision of what we have worked so hard for Ashburg to be and how we want to present ourselves. Now, one point, number one. Salisbury Street, we all know is one of Ashburg's main corridors, 15,500 cars a day. We have a population of 28,000 in the city. But it's over capacity. We all know that fundamentally, it is so surprising. We hadn't heard the fire trucks go by here tonight. That's unusual. And believe me, they go up and down that road several times a day and the emergency service vehicles. Salisbury Street is very busy and it's very dangerous. In fact, when I prepared this note for this today around three o'clock in the afternoon at my house, I heard a boom and then another boom, not unusual, just one more rear end collision on Salisbury Street. Okay. The applicants plan to access 131 and 137 by hauling vehicles in and around a cramped driveway with a peer full hearty at best on that hectic intersection. The unauthorized storage at 137 and 131 has already impacted the quality of life for Randolph Avenue folks for the last three years. And several homeowners here tonight have expressed concern about how this open storage light will affect their property value moving forward. Number two, Salisbury Street truly is a gateway for visitors to our city. The new AgCenter and the new Marriott Hotel, which apparently is a $20 million investment, is right up the road. And if you come out of the new Marriott and you try to figure out what you want to do after you go to the AgCenter, there's a sign that says downtown shopping this way. It's going to take you right down Salisbury Street. And I ask you, is open storage on Salisbury and Randolph the really the vision that we want to project our new visitors? Finally, the storage of vehicles in an urban environment is known as a temptation for criminal activity. Now, I will say I have no time ever said anything about atlas automotive at the zoning meeting on Monday night having anything to do with crime, okay? Or drugs or anything like that. So that was a misinterpretation of any comments that I have made. And the trees just premiered primarily another point. Yes, there were trees planted all around Allen's Automotive by the City of Ashboro. We got a grant from Progress Energy at Trees Ashboro, but it was so dangerous out there, the city intended to insist on planning them. Did Mr. Gero? So those are the ones who that were cut down, so nobody lied, okay? So finally, in closing, I would say question, would storage of vehicles in this lot with a foot fence Exasper bait existing problems of crime in the area which there is some The second person that signed a petition mr. Sergio Munoz He's the guy called nine one Monday night When a few about 150 feet from this site Somebody shot 20 rounds of high powered firearms at another lot just down the street. Sergio was getting his little baby child out of his car at 10.30 at night and he heard the shots and called 911. So yes, there is some problems in that area and we want to make it better or not worse. So final thought, it is disappointing of any under or tenant that continues in violation of an ordinance and then comes and asks for a new one. I'll just leave that one out there. But now I would simply like to ask if some of the other people, homeowners and residents of Sarri would just like to share some thoughts about your experience and why you signed this petition. Yes. You'd like to say your name, I presume. All right, come up. You turn. I'm done. Thanks. Come up here, do yourself. Thank you, everybody, for having us here tonight. My name is Roseanne Sims, and I am a resident of North Randolph Ave. Right now we have existing problems going on with that property. Most of the nights, not recently, within the last two weeks it stopped, but most of the nights have been cars in and out. Hollers down the road, incredible traffic, incredible noise, incredible just annoyances period. Also, putting that fence around that lot and putting those trees up is really going to be like putting lipstick on a pig. They're going to have cars in there that are not running. That is going to bring the crimes to our side of the street. That is going to make all these cars accessible, six foot fencing, going to stop criminals. It's going to make all that accessible to all the crimes that are going on across the area. I'm sure I see the family, that's amazing. The business I'm so happy they're doing well and glad they want to prosper. It's just not the area. I mean, first off, zoning has been violated. Second off, they've had another incident just to repeat when Mr. George said. They've already shown that they cannot obey by the rules. What's going to change? There's mud constantly when it's raining, they're in and out, mud is all over. They were parking to corner, which makes it hard to come from south, very onto the north Randolph. When I'm trying to come home at night, cars are coming out, parking to the end. No license plates on that. I know there is an ordinance about that. I don't know what can be done, but it makes it difficult to come in and out of that street. It's very dangerous. I about to hit. It's just a nuisance. It's lipstick on a pig. I don't think it's going to help. I mean, in closing, I believe the crime is going to get worse. I'm happy there's been no drugs. We really don't have record of that, but I just want them to succeed with another way of doing it. The plan is not going to work. No question. There's no curb cut. They don't run off or they drive across the curb. There is a curb cut, a little one. Yes. Up front, but back at the back where all the cars are. Well, technically, technically yes because the cars are right there when you go in as well. The whole entire law is covered with cars right now. Would that picture that you saw is very accurate. Put the picture back up just in the police. And it's very accurate. I just came past it. It was a curtain thing when the house was there. Up here. It was a curtain thing. Up here when the house was there. It was the head bring more traffic. We already got high accidents on Southbury and Randolph. We just had a wreck on Randolph in Morath last night because people run that constantly. They run the stop sign. The guy almost said, swipe me and get an out of my car. Hit the car coming, I mean, he ran that stop sign. It's going to just bring more traffic as well. It's not going to be a safe area for kids. And as he said, Mr. Sergio was taking his kids out. Let Monday night, he's got two small kids. Oh my gosh, what happens if they're getting in the car and people come through? And I mean, it's just not an acceptable situation. All right, this curb is for the house. it was there years the head of the house and that is on the back half of the lot which is owned for this use. Right. That is correct that was the house that was there that was their driveway. You got another picture. How about the picture with the cars in the lot? There's your curb cut. There's your curb cut right close to the road. Was it Danny? Daniel? Daniel? Yes sir. You let that get out of hand. Yes sir do it there's a flat bed And if grip Okay, you got it. and growled in tarot lot? Sir, our intentions are to fence everything in, gravel it and connect it all to in our back plot where it levels up to it. And we're biggest thing we're trying to stay away from is taking out that obtainable so it's not washing out into the front lot, over the parking lot area out into the front lot Our parking lot area But the back lots to grab with it our shop so it levels off with it if we just go ahead and great Didn't smooth it out and when they grow it we would be able to access it and would be no more on the street We've had any forward-looking thing It would be a hot source to the public. Yeah, that's good. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Thank you. Come on up, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Members of council, my name is Todd Delaney. I live at 147 South Round-Off. May note as the Miller House, I've lived there for just over 10 years. That stretch of North and South Round-Off has about a dozen houses. We've added a habitat house on that street. Well, I've lived there. We've gotten two drug houses turned around. We have a number of residences that have moved in, replaced rentals with permanent housing. We're making a tremendous effort to make that a very nice neighborhood. In terms of aesthetics, it's subjective. This is a long fence to the gateway of our neighborhood. It may be better than what is there now, I'm sure it will be. But it is still not in keeping with that neighborhood. We are green grass and bricks and neighbors, kudos to Atlas for their successes. I would offer one reason crime has been low is the perimeter of barbed wire that goes around that property. I'm hopeful that perimeter of barbed wire to time go around that open storage slide. I have gone around Ashware looking for similar auto places in neighborhoods. I haven't found one doing it well. And I'm hopeful if this goes through, it's wonderful. It's a panacea, but I don't see it yet. Thank you. Thank you, Ken. You're lying. Anyone else? Ah. I was sitting here when we resumed that half of that for one of the two lots. I've been sitting there a long time. He wasn't tonight. But we did that because Randolph is a older residential neighborhood, but a lot of older residents. And we tried to give the Allen something you need to work with on the front half of the lock. And at the same time, respect the neighbors who have invested in that neighborhood. Sure at this point, some of the rent houses, but some of them are probably not. And back then I would say very few more rent houses. So you've had the front half of the lot at your disposal. But that picture we just had up there many ago showed just about all the vehicle on the back half the lot. Please do tell me please do. I'm in wrong here. I mean, just just convinced me that I'd. So the front half the lot that was all rezoning and stuff from the Allens before I was ever there. Like Jenna was saying, they were looking into doing a car lot on it. Originally, we did have some parked there. Zoning come out and said you can't park anything here unless this car lot stuff and all this has to be fence and stuff. And that is when I talked with Alan Zoning and stuff he said we'll go ahead and see about trying to get it re-zoned so it's not a conditional zoning on just car lot. So we do have to use it then for parking as well. And we all talked about it and stuff, but when we come before, they didn't really want us having any kind of exits on to the Randolph Street. I understand that and I can respect that. So we try to come to agreement zone things to compromise. We're trying to be flexible as possible, but we still want to respect the neighbors and respect the community. In this picture here, if you look in the back part where the vehicles are lined up, that right there kinda goes up at a slope. Even by having the... The shop, yes sir. And it levels off with the top lot. And I just kind of pitched the ideal of if we don't have any kind of exit or entrance to the top lot, we could always look at that. But I know it would take us rezoning the back half to be able to get into it. Those cars parked there can you still drive around that building and get out there? So those cars wouldn't be parked right there. If we're going to have the top light, we would be moving them to the top light. If... that can you still drive around that building and get out there? So those cars wouldn't be parked right there. If we're going to have the top lot, we would be moving them to the top lot, which some of those ain't there anymore, but whatever is there would be moved and that would be your pass through to get back and forth. The biggest thing on the retainer walls, like I was stating, if we cut it open to our front lot and gravel it. Drank right in the ear. Yes, sir. And worry having issues with that creek bank over to the side is slowly but surely washing out. The other week we had a core after hours flip over into the sea store thing it was. It busts our waterline and flooded all that. We didn't have water for two days and I had to call to get them to come out because we had a water turned out it was just flowing through the creek and now we got a little bit of wash out. Just to clarify I want to make sure it's clear even right now the way it's zoned even if he parks on the the front lot, he's still in code violation. The code here now, per se, you know, per se. So no matter where he parks on there, he's in code violation. Or if he parks on Randolph Avenue, it bothers the neighbors, it cuts off when they can. I don't get that. If he's parked all the way to the end and you try to make that right in the Randolph Avenue, there's not enough space. Are you not in the automotive selling business? I'm looking into it, but it's not something I really pray more capital. Yeah, it can. Unless you got some really good credit. And I mean, I'm only 25. and I'm just trying to really stay hard at it. I got two kids and I mean I got a family feed I'm not trying to come a millionaire overnight But I am trying to be honest and do good hard work and I enjoy automotive work I wasn't a mechanic for a long time got out of it got into doing 18-wheelers driving trucks and I ended up stepping back to them, can't it field? And I don't know, it's something I always kind of fall back into. I can take a break for a little bit but it pulls me back. I understand. All right. Thank you. Anybody else that would like to address Council, which went a lot of time on this tonight, trying to give the council some options and be fair to the to the business owner and the neighborhood and it's never as easy as it seems. If there's no one else that wants to speak, I'll ask the council for whatever their thoughts might be. Mayor, I was here when we did the conditionals only before and it was a great angst that we approved it as I recall because of the close proximity to the residencesences. And that was before we added this additional residential lock to the mix. It was there to accommodate the request to the applicant at that time. The resassillary business that he says was instrumental in the operation of his concern at that time. And we approved the conditional use for the purposes which he indicated he needed it, and with conditions that were amenable at that time to have access, not on the residential lots, but on the conditional zone lot and not on Salisbury and not on Randolph. We were trying to accommodate that request while being deferential residents of Randolph. Oh, we had reached as best a decision as we could. And I think the extension of this into the joining currently residential zones lot and not for the purposes of sale and not for the purposes of lease, but just the storage of open vehicles would not be favorable and that would be my vote. I would move to the ninth request. I'll just say that, I mean since I've been sitting up here these last three plus three years, I've learned a lot. And one thing I've learned from a mayor, and you said this before, is sometimes something just isn't the right thing for space. And I feel really strongly that this is not the right thing for the space, period. So I would say to now, I'm sorry. Well, I'm not mistaken. I think I just got a motion here. And a motion to deny. Is there a second? Second. Do you know, it's heath. Mr. Mayor, can we ask this as far as with the motion? This is not inconsistent. So the consistency statement is prepared by the staff in support. I can draw from the motion that you disagree with the staff is our preference you'd like articulated for the consistency statement for ability. I am right. Yes. First, we made the motion. Yeah. I don't think that the addition of the, of the rezoning request and residential lot is consistent with the print of the post-Land use map. I think that is to the extent that it abuts Salisbury Street. So I would say that as it addresses the addition of the current residential lot that it is not consistent with our roads and policies. I think he is re-weighted 2.1.5. Yes. and that's how we'll record it for the motion. Thank you. Thank you, Olga. Yeah. All right. Motion on second. Discussion. One question. Several things are noted in here that late night noises and type stuff. Are you a big after hours? I'm not sure. Not really. The only kind of legal noises that I could think of is we had two air compressors. Not one of my guys for say doesn't cut the break ground for them. But we both. I can see them kicking on but it wouldn't be any more noise than just running away the ground about early because they're both in shelter. What do you know about ours in operation? We're moving through body, feet above and then every other Saturday from 830 to 30. So you stop at 5? Yes sir. Well we try to stop at five. Most days. There's something that I'm going to get out there until six or so, the wife hate before. But that's not Ninertina. I mean that's six. Okay. I think the thing that gives me eights is the size of the space. It's starting to sound like that word. In a residential area. And knowing that you're talking about putting lights up over the lot, I see me, the lights are going to be lit at night for safety purposes or for protecting the property there. I just, I just, I can't agree with that. I think it's not the right place for that kind of operation. Comments now here. All right. We have a motion in a second. Any more discussion? All in favor of Denyau? All in favor of proving that the motion deny say aye. Aye. It's going to call for a show hand. Those opposed those in voting in favor of the motion to deny raise your hand. Okay, that's six, that's seven. That's an anonymous. I mean, this hard, this gentleman's a hard working man. I hate to vote against him because we've got to figure out some way to accommodate this gentleman and his business. Yeah, that's the, whether it's the lifeblood of our community, small business. Is there, with like some kind of compliment that you work with on it? I think we're trying to compliment you on your businesses outgrown this. Okay, you just got a denial. I'm going to suggest you come make time tomorrow to talk to Justin and John and maybe Trevor. Get our three best heads together and see if in some way we can work this out. Something that will allow you to continue to thrive in this particular location and not be of true view to the neighborhood. I think just for me it was just the full story of the old. The idea square would jump. First thing first, need to clear up what's currently a problem. Okay. Oh, that's not good. City just lay here in which I will open on case RZ 25-05. Request to rezone property located at 4 5 12 US 220 business. No more. I'm going to be able to store this place. I can use this for a future. Yeah. Added to the factory. There would be more than one of these. there Where would he want it? Better not baby. Alright, go ahead, just, Matt. All right. Thank you. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. pin number, rezoned to I-1 Conditional Zoning for Vehicle Towing Operation and Storage with Motor Vehicle repair major land uses. This law is roughly a little less than that, but it's not an acreage. The existing land use of this law is vacant. There is no zoning history to this property and this hearing has been properly advertised with the notice on the dates in front of you. Change. Okay. We're glad you came back. The property is in the corporate limits. It's not located in any overlay district. City utilities are available. U Highway 220 Business North is a bowl of art. I don't want to drive, which is the corner street is a local street. Both are state maintained. Average traffic count for this part of Highway 220 Business is 8,900 cars a day that is below capacity and actually has drops over the last few years. There is a planned transportation equipment project for this area. So, what widened two-twink business north to multi-lains, but that is currently unfunded. Looking at surrounding land uses to the north, we have the Randolph Memorial Park cemetery. South is vacant, commercial, land east, residential and west, industrial. Which you see on this zoning map and the subject properties highlighted in both of the information. And then to the men that will flow to the sir. see a lot of purple industrial and some yellow residential. This is an aerial view of the area. Utility map, showing a utility available on both streets. This is an aerial view of the lot. So it is paid from a prior development and is a corner lot. This is a 220 business looking south towards Pineview. This would be looking north towards the cemetery to the Randleman. This would be looking at the subject property from our law. This gives you an idea of some existing vegetation that runs along the property line, between this property and the adjoining residents. And one last one looking out a lot of wild. So again, because you've smothered the vehicle for a fair major and vehicle throwing operation in storage facility, in your packet is the industrial I-1 statement of intent for your reference. We've also included some relevant zoning ordinance definitions for those uses. So if you have any answer any questions about those. Both the uses are permitted by right in the I-1 district. They are subjects who use supplemental use regulations. The significant portion of the property as you saw from the images already paid from a previous development. DOT has been heavily involved in the review of this side plan that you'll see, and have included their review and found it eligible for a driveway permit. One of the big features of that DOT comment was the existing three driveway cuts. One, they have proposes to use and repave. That's the northern cut, further so the way from our to wild. The cut closest to our to wild will be decommissioned. And then the existing driveway cut on our to wild will be gated and limited to actually only. The applicant on the side plan proposed a metal building with three garage base, around 1900 square feet, plus around 5,000 square feet for an office area, 24,000 total, a five or cement, hardy plank sighting is proposed for the entire side of the building, facing 220 business north, which is a material and compliance with the general industrial design standards. The applicant proposed hours of operations from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. for the motor vehicle repair major use, but no restrictions on hours of operation for the towing operation in storage facility. This side plan did quite change a bit from its original presentation to the planning board. Again, DOT comment and the planning board's comments led to many of those changes. As we'll give Ray to look at the site plan, we'll put it out some modifications to the standard ordinance requirements you'll see. The first two really speak to the location of screening and the storage area. Typically screens require evergreen trees planted on property lines. And the supplemental standards for the towing operation or towing storage use requires typically a 25 foot setback from any residentialies own property. You'll also notice that the front door landscaping area is not quiet as wide as the ordinance typically requires in some areas. However, the applicant does intend to plant the required number of landscaping to meet the ordinance standard. And one additional standard that exceeds the ordinance requirements would be those hours of operation for the motor vehicle repair use. Here is the site plan. You'll have the bigger versions that you place so this is in the end just to give some clarity. I will highlight some of those modifications mentioned starting at the top and kind of going clockwise. You'll see a proposed six foot wooden fence will run along the northern and eastern property boundaries that wooden fence would be compliant with screening standards for fencing. You will notice as you get to the southern part of the property, there is no need to creak. And the applicant proposes to set defense all of that creak and preserve the existing landscaping to serve as a screening measure against the joining home. At the southern end, where the driveway connection to Ottawa, you'll see it is exit only engaged. Along to 20 business, you'll see the fence transitions from wood to chain link. So that is supposed to be a chain link fence with screening materials. You'll see the existing driveway that will be decommissioned. You'll see an area reserved for the front yard landscaping that's outside of the DOT site distance triangles. And then getting back to the north, you'll see the existing driveway cut proposed to be repaid and utilized for entry into the property. Parking wise, the site plan is compliant based on the intended uses and number of employees. Moving to the building elevations, the front view is the side that will face 220 business. The applicant does propose a fibrous manner. Sometimes otherwise, a brand name is hardy plank, siding for the side against 220 business. The other three sides will be metal and that is in compliance with the industrial design standards. So to summarize, the proposed zoning conditions, uses again motor vehicle pair of major and vehicle telling operation storage facility. BC&D are standard, again permitting requirement conditions. E speaks to the limits on hours of operation. S speaks to the required screen being installed. That would be the wood fence and the chain link fence along the street. And that existing vegetation use for screening be preserved and maintained. G would allow the applicant to switch from fiber cement siding to another permitting material. Whether it be brick, stucco, if another material is more cost effective, it gives them that flexibility. As long as it does still comply with the industrial design standards. And a standard condition for recording the memorandum of land use restrictions. Touring to the land development plan consists of some reasonableness. The proposed land use map does not exist property as commercial, as located in the primary growth area. So there are goals such as compliance with the grocery adjumap, this would be be an adaptive reuse of a vacant lot and there are no environmental hazards despite the creep. There is no flood zone or anything of that nature. Goals and policies, not supporting the request, it is not compliant with the proposed land use map being as designated as commercial. And again, the plan does reference policies with having transitional land uses between high intensity industrial and residential. Given all that, the planning board and staff recommendation is to approve attaching the conditions to summarize the planning board adopted the following plan consists of seeing reasonable statements. Generally speaking to the reuse of a longstanding vacant lot in a primary grocery area. Also, the lot would. Does have some conditions to speak to fencing and screening from the neighboring property owner. It would allow the property owner to utilize a longstanding vacant lot. And there are a lot of industrial zoning and uses in the immediate area. I'll be having to answer any questions the board may have. Again, your action items are adopt a plan. Consistency reasonable statements and approve or deny the zoning mathematics. The board does wish to approve attaching the conditions as summarized or with modification. Questions? I did have one about, you said the hours of, they would be open to 85. What about the towing situation? Would they be allowed, they don't be to 2 or towing anytime? They would not be limited on hours of operation. That is what the applicant is proposing. So only the repair shop would have limits on hours of operation. Well, thank you. Yeah, if you're on the towing rotation, you'd prove like you have to go in and call you. This time you buy back. What was the brand was the little gas station it was right? Oh, it was an arch down all. I tried to go back with aerial photography all the way to the 80s and I don't think it was still not there at that point. It's been a long time. Nor better than coming back south. It was arch down all my little Volkswagen with a hold of about $2. That was a while back. But yeah, I'm pretty sure it was on sale. And it was one over at Kentucky Pride Chicken. That was an orange. Yeah, it was. Right. All right. No other questions or just. All right. Is the applicant here? Would you like to speak? You're going to speak for it. I'm going to make it fast because I got a feeling just fast your bedtime already. You know you don't want me telling you to sit there. I do not. I'm HR Gallimore with Remax Central Realty and I'm representing applicant on this request. I want to first say the staff did a great job in helping we flip this thing around. This is a small lot guys. I'm surprised Walker remembered it was a fuel stop back in the day but I know you were younger than me. You're younger than me. Why would we drive it that way? So we could drive back. So on a more serious... No, why? Now you tell on yourself. On a more serious note, we worked really hard in changing this diagram around and in answer to some questions to Bill's question, this will be a certifiedzone with the OT or the State Highway Patrol and you have to get in the rotation as David said and when they call you come and just to make a small point and your earlier issues tonight which you could come up I hope not I don't like bleed over This applicant has a number of other locations. We're not going to have a, we got too many cars and what are we going to do with them, scenario. This wanted to clear that, clear the air on that to begin with. I think this lot needs to be utilized for something. It's been nothing for years. I've seen a few flea market stress passing and a few food trucks, but I haven't seen it utilized. I think it's a great plan. I think it'll may, I think you saw the elevations. It will improve the look of that particular location. And you know, that whole corridor is a mix, it's a mix bag of a lot of things. You saw the storage buildings across the street. There's a lot of industry. We see restaurants and computers and apartments and a few trailers here and this and the other. But I do believe that it will be a better look for what's there I think we've worked really hard at making it within the conditions that the city normally looks for and so I would ask and recommend this Council approved if you can. I'd like to leave my time open if there are any concerns that I can answer. Short enough for you, Doug? Short enough. Questions? Well? You may. I'm Phil Schien. I think most of you know me, thank you for seeing me tonight. I haven't planned on saying anything But you mentioned the ditch while I go on the backside of that property I'm thinking about runoff because it is in proximity of Haskell Creek there if there needs to be a retention or something put there and I'm glad to hear it's not long time And that'll be a good thing because we just't want to have any of that. But that's just a thought there. I don't know if anybody is looking for that. Just mention in your four-part in format there. The dash line that kind of crosses into the neighbor property. and there's a lot of water but it's there. If you go back in there maybe I'll say 100 yards. Pretty good creek and into the banks of watch. Banks watch down. It won't have you. Just a cure. I'll see you thought and make sure we keep our water and sewer clean. Hope you're more about that. I think I've got to sign this play. It does say it's outside of the water. Okay. Water runs south. Thank you. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Okay. Water runs south. Thank you. You know what I agree that stormwater control is very important always is, always will be. This is a 4,400 of NACRA lot. When you look at what's already impervious here, there's very little left and you you can't go 100 yards deep on this one because it's not there, which it was. But it's a small lot. We're mainly utilizing what's here. What little's left, I don't think we're going to have an issue with that. Again, storm water is important and we should always. I know in some cities, the Lord, Greensboro is terrible on I'm stormwater control, and we may get there one day. I don't think this small 40-flat. I know, but this 40-400s of an acre lot, I don't think will be your biggest spy later. We have the advantage of it practically. 100% in perv. Well, that's my point. That's my point. We just don't, this is a small parcel. already being utilized and it's got asphalt on it. So I just wanted to see. Any other questions? Questions? Yes, sir. Come on up. Here you go. I am Freddie Walter Bortert, the fourth for the record. Everybody calls me Rick. I am the owner and so prepared of A&R contracting LLC, which owns two of the three adjacent properties, including the house. So, you know, we can look at the minutes from the last hour of the people worried about Atlas Automotive. The only really concerns I have is a towing company hauling cars in and out, three in hook and books. The master bedroom sits on that end of the house. If they're on those rotations, that is a problem, it's a bit of a problem for me. The second concern I have is if it's going to be gated, I'm assuming it's going to have some kind of security lights. Again, the master bedroom, those two windows right there, that's the master bedroom master bath, is right there where those security lights are stuff are going to be to illuminate that back lot. So I would ask that they use blue lights or something a little less. Or lighting code or requirements, specify that they not spill over the property line. Okay. There will be the kind that are... I'm a residential builder not commercial. We're very attuned to light pollution and our code does address that with directional lighting like the kinds that maybe like street lights that shine on the street and not to yard. Yeah. That type of thing. Yeah. So that, I think we'd handle that in-house. Excellent. But you go right ahead. No, no, because looking at the map he was talking about is the cut or you drive around to the backside with a gate on the on the idle wall side. So it only makes sense only makes sense to be lights and stuff over there. When you go back to that plot, that corner, that runoff creek runs down through the property line, they're going to try to put a fence across the creek into that back lot because we maintain all of that. We maintain everything on the other side of that runoff ditch. So I'm just curious I'm going to try to put a fence across that ditch where they're going to stop the fence on the other side of the ditch. It says there we are. Oh, Maryland, the last three questions. I'm sorry? They said parallel to the top of the creek bank. OK. So they're just going to abandon that corner. Looks like it. look like it. Um, there's two down a little more. Yes. Being a towing operation, is he going to have a historic jard? There is a regulation as I understand it. If your car is dead, there's like safety two hours on it. Can time? Sure he's going to have to have some sort of yard. What's the requirement by the state that it'd be there for one period of time? There's no requirement for the state. Thank you for having me, this evening. My name is Steve Wishon. Thank you Mayor. Thank you board. I started my business in Asheville in 1999. My car dealership. My car dealership has grown substantially thanks to a lot of hard work and a lot of blessings from this great city to grow my business in. Thank you. Saying that, and about seven years ago to be able to handle the flow of business that I needed and the automobiles that I needed, I had to purchase a repair shop quality auto repair. So I purchased that seven years ago. When I purchased that, I purchased a rotation that came with that, the highway patrol rotation and the 911 rotation for the City of Asheville. So I had zone one. There's four towing zones in the Grand Off County, as you guys know. So I had zone one when I purchased that. So I grew to zone four, which is down in the Franklinville area. So I bought a property down there. We expanded to zone four there. Now I've also grown to zone two, which is in the Archdale area. So we've expanded our rotation to there. The only zone that I do not have in the Randolph County right now is zone three, which is this is going to allow me to do that. Saying that and doing that, I can give you a great definition when you ask what a junk courier is. I now own Highway 49 Auto Salvo, which used to be a Richard's Auto Salvo. So I have 45 acres. I weigh 49. That I can keep all the cars that I want to keep. 5,000 plus. And be legally able to do that. I'm doing so. Parts cars. Yes, but a lot of classic cars too. I still have a lot of classic cars. Yes sir. Classic car belongs to me. Yes sir. And we do a lot of business there. So we obtain, we know exactly, and the gentleman that was before that talked about 262, 262, where there's multiple other stages of that. As Mr. Bell probably know, that we have to go through to get the rights to sell the cars and to get the rights to finish that process. And we know exactly how to do all that. We've done it multiple, multiple times. Will you have a storage lot on this property? I will have to have a temporary storage lot to hold here until we do the proper paperwork or till they're picked up from the insurance company. Yes, that will be a requirement for this location. How brilliant. Do I know how to run it? Yes, sir. Absolutely. I'm sorry. How many cars you talking about? And this location, it shouldn't be, I mean, I only have a limited amount of space to begin with, to start with. We're probably talking, I probably couldn't fit 10 or 12 cars in this location. And we don't want to keep them there too long, either. All hours a day and night. I'm sorry? All hours a day. We're on the rotation, so that doesn't mean that I have to probably come to this location at three o'clock in the morning. If I have this zone, I have my lot that I have in zone four and I have my lot that I have in zone one. My lot in zone one is at 11 o'clock in the Clay Street and my lot in zone four is 1319 Nance in Franklinville used to be the tractor place that was for years and years. That's what I use now. So I have lots around this particular location that I can take cars to anywhere I want to. They don't have to be. I mean, I have to run my business right here and I have to have this lot right here. But I could also, if I go to three o'clock in the morning And I have a rollback sitting at a driver's house. He could leave the vehicle on his rollback and bring this look. right here, but I could also if I go to three o'clock in the morning and I have a rollback sitting at a driver's house, he could leave the vehicle on his rollback and bring this location during normal business hours if that would be an issue. But you've got to have a side. I do, yes sir. I do, yes sir. And in the yard. Yes sir. In that zone. Yes sir. To be on the road. Yes sir. What you do and go from there you have ever option in the world. There's plenty of options for me I have plenty of places to go. Yes, sir. But you do and go from there, you have every option in the world. There's plenty of options for me. I have plenty of places to go. Yes. Are you saying that you would be amenable to possibly restricting hours of egress for that location? If that would be allowable by highway patrol, sometimes highway patrol is going to, but I'm real close to zone 1 and zone four. Again, if you're sitting on a rollback and you driver takes you home. It's going to be there till the morning anyway. Yes, sir. Well, I'm concerned about I am also I will always want to be a great neighbor of course. So what's the perfect call? I mean once you got a lot you can turn off all your lights and stuff, right? I'm sorry. Once you get your flatbed off the road and on the light, you can turn off all your lights. Absolutely. So you can look at the winds you're going to come in from the high side. Yes. And this can be your storage on the back side. Yes. So you guys can shut up everything before they come to that person? Absolutely. And it probably wouldn't take 15 minutes to unload and be gone. And we're not talking three or four times a week at the most. That's a week. Not three or four times a day. Three or four times a week at the most. There's no- and we're not talking three or four times a week at the most. That's a week, not three or four times a day. Three or four times a week at the most. It's not all night every night. We don't, I'm only on the rotation with a highway patrol, so I don't do much additional towing besides my rotation. So all I do is my rotation. It's not like I'm pulling out like, I'm pulling the coge. Yeah, but I'm not on like AAA or anything like that, you know, I'm only going I want to be great neighbors. Yes. All right. You good? I was going to ask him about the compression stuff. The list of the compressors are always going to be housed and enclosed in the background. Yes, it will be. On the roadside. Okay. Next one. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We're not in the whole way there. They were right in there. Someone did. Any other questions? Well, that's what I've heard about too. It was the tow angle. It looks like they're going to work something out. So let's go right now. I think Mr. Wisson will be a good neighbor. I trust you, big neighbor. I have for 26 years in the city, and I've heard you say it. OK. Any questions? All right, Council. Is anyone else in the audience that wants to speak? OK. Hearing none, I will ask the council for their thoughts on this question. They are based on the consistency statement provided by staff. We will include the consistency statement and the additional form. and with motion by Mr. Bell to approve the consistency statement and to grant his own with what conditions would you say? Any conditions or additional zones? Okay. Do I have a second? Second, Mr. Burk's discussion. All in favor say aye. All opposed. Opposient carries. Good neighbor. Mr. Mayor. Yes. It's intercated in motion after four hours and thirteen minutes to take a recent call.