We will call to order the the work session for the Heath City Council August 9th 2024 813 a.m But this is your second work jumping to the lower or this is the regular, this is here, 24, 25, and this is my first, and it will also be my last budget, I'll be presenting it to you in the next slide, which we'll have. There is a thing for this budget, you know, we like to do things things and it's called the course question. We've done a lot of good. A lot of good things pass by during the past. Are you on the record for a microphone? There's not a microphone at the podium. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Access. I don't want to be here. For the public, we just need to make sure it's on the right hand. Absolutely. So, what we're going to be presenting to you are some things that you're going to have to give a lot of. And there's some things that you're going to want to question. Jay has some scenarios where we look at the possible thing. We look at all the acts that Sam does, we question here the new staff. He does a scenario with that. He has done a scenario where we try for six years in the road to do another act rate at the effect of rate. And then he's got an actual balance in budget. You're the thing you're not going to like. We are proposing a tax increase. And then at the end of this presentation, we're going to talk about the CIPD. And as part of that CIPD, we're going to talk about some action plans for producing an interim water supply. And then we're also going to talk about long-term action plans for a secondary source and maybe a third source for long-term. And it does involve, and probably two two, or probably two years of getting additional storage capacity. All that's going to cost money. And we, so we're going to be doing some things on this way that you really haven't done in the past five years. And with that, the second thing that we go over this plan, this water in. The second thing you're going to do to tell you you're going to be disturbed about is the need to find a resolution on this wall seat with North Texas. I know that's something that's going to be debated. What we did I think was very noble. What they did was long when they took out trees. We understand that. I think we've got some needs now that they may have some overarching priorities that we've got to address. What Jason do is he could go ahead and go through his presentation. When we get to the departmental ask, when we get to public safety, they ask for something that would be done to be accommodated. It basically has to do with their salary at this. They ask for 11% or 7%. At that time, I want to give 10 minutes out of fairness to the public safety guys. They're very critical to the public. You get branded some time, you can kind of talk about what you just are going through with respect to the public and other cities like the Bay, or the city, so on and on. So just how fair is it then? We are also pregnant and we're also trying for the 30% to make 30% of the, it's the color, it's the color gistens for the TMRS requirement, which is going to help our public safety guys. And I don't know why it's going to help public safety continue. The recombinant they were recruited. So that's it. This is an elderly procession when you're going through the presentation. You can ask me any questions at any time. It would say the answer is going to be on slide, said it too, we'll get there as fast as we can. We want this to be open dialogue. We really don't want to be a formal presentation as we need to talk with. And we're going to do something to make it just to get the sense of this, as long as it's healthy skepticism. And this plan has come out of that and I'm going to be painful to such. So hang in there, we're staff, we're going to be their review. And the last day started, J.O.E. Brett, are you prepared for the presentation? Yes. Okay. Good morning, Mayor and Council. This is the FY25 budget presentation. First, to start off this meeting, I'll just go over the gender topics that we have in this presentation. But first, we'll start off with a budget calendar update and then we'll touch on the general fund just reviewing the different property tax rates. We received the tax calculation worksheet back from the Barquac County Praisewood District. It was this week and as a media when I got that I started working on the different tax revenue rates. But we're going to touch on the definitions of each tax rate calculation. And then we'll view what the no-new revenue rate looks like. The equivalent tax rate, the will cover the demand and the flat tax rate, the will cover the de minimis and the flat tax rate, the voter approval rate, and we'll review the truth on taxation and the equivalent rate. That's typically what we use in the past years as the tax rate that we typically go with every fiscal year or the past few years. We'll do a tax rate comparison. We'll look at the general fund required 35% of fund balance calculation. The required 35% is outlined in our financial handbook. We'll also look at the General Fund FY 2025 Post Budget Summary and the utility fund was also in here. There's not shown is we'll also touch on the other funds like the Solid Waste Fund, the drainage fund, and the other special revenue funds as well as the component units that we have here at the City of Feeds. And we'll talk about the budget and the budget process. This is just a budget comment overview. We've had the budget kickoff. We've received the preliminary values. We've received everything from our departments. We have a proposed annual in budgeting and your bond to review. It's very a detailed budget. We have the First City Council budget workshop on June 21st. And we received our certified tax roll from the Rockwell County of Prezure District District going to a lot of 25th. Today, after the workshop, what we anticipate is, hopefully we can have the council decide on which tax rate to go with an FY25 that they're comfortable with and additionally set the public hearing date for the budget, the tax rate, and the municipal fee and rate schedule that we do every year. After this meeting, after we've received your feedback, we'll finalize the proposed budget and the 10-year CIP capital improvement plan, and we'll give that over to Norma after the meeting. And those changes are made after recommendations are received from you all. September of the 10th, 2020 for 2024. That'll be the first reading of public hearing on the tax rate, municipal fees and race schedule and the budget and on September 24, 2024, it'll be the second reading and the reading of the ordinance to adopt the budget as well as the tax rate and the municipal fees and race schedule. Here's the definitions of the different tax rates that are calculated whenever we are going through the budget process and relations to the general fund and the debt service fund. The no new revenue tax rate is a tax rate calculated to generate the same amount of revenue from properties that were taxed in the previous year. The purpose of the NNR, or no new revenue, is to provide a benchmark for understanding whether the new rate will increase or decrease the tax burden on property owners and the finitive changes in property values. The equivalent tax rate is a tax rate calculation. Use the increased tax, increase taxes solely on new improvements or growth. The de minimis is a tax rate calculation used to increase tax, increase tax is solely on new improvements or growth. The Domenonis is a tax rate calculation that generates the same maintenance and operations revenue from properties tax in the previous year plus an additional 500,000. The Domenonis allow smaller taxing units to increase their tax rates without automatically requiring a approval election. The flat rate, straightforward, is just using the same tax rate that was adopted in the previous year. And the voter approval rate is the calculated tax rate that requires voter approval if it's exceeded. So whenever I receive the tax rate calculation worksheet from Rockwell County. I've worked from my spreadsheet using all the information that they've given me as far as the certified values. As you can see, the total value here at the City of Heath for all the property under the City of Heath the 3.5 billion. After the senior tax freeze is applied, it drops it down roughly 800 million to 2.7 billion. And the value of the new improvement for 2024 is 51 million. And with this information, with the new growth, the new growth at 51 million came up with a M&O tax rate of .176.560. The INS tax rate is calculated by the Rockwell County appraisal district. Typically, whenever that calculation is done, municipalities just go with that rate because they are they're they keep track of the amount of overreach that we received in that desk I respond to to to make our principal interest performance related to to the interest in second fine debt and that's so solely on the general side so all of your all of the interest in sinking fine debt and that's solely on the general side. So all of your revenue that's collected in the interest in sinking fine is specifically for projects related to general government. That's your city hall you're public safety building, park improvements, things of that nature. And then this is the from your equivalent tax rate. So same thing, same variables, the only thing that's changed is your M&O tax rate which increases to point 1 9 1 3 7 5 is the M&O for that Then we can look at the flat rate if we kept it flat that would bring in roughly $5.9 million in M&O Revenue and Eminote revenue. I hate all your questions. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, Eminote sends for maintenance and operation. And I, and that's his interest in thinking. Thank you for that. Yeah. I was saying. And then just to clear that up as well, and your maintenance and operations is the general fund revenue. What did that mean? The general fund? No, it was an entrepreneur. I didn't get what you're saying. Your main is an operation revenue, the 6 million. That's general fund revenue. That's strictly general fund revenue. I strictly general No, no strictly yeah, the strictly general fine. It can only be used for general fine Okay, and then you have the the flat tax rate that will bring a roughly 5.9 million in rate that would bring a roughly 5.9 million in maintenance and operation to the general fund. And then your voter approval rate, this is the rate that the highest rate you can go without going to an election is roughly 6.2 million. Okay. And so what we did here is a tax rate comparison. What I did was I took a average home roughly 750,000 is what I use to see what that impact would be on an individual or residence tax bill. So if we use the equivalent tax rate, it would drop their tax bill roughly $15. If we use the voter approval tax rate, it would increase their tax bill roughly $121. The de minimis will increase it by $96, and your no-new revenue tax rate will drop it roughly $39. annual FY25 budget. We use the voter approval rate and what I did there is with everything applied in relation to the voter approval rate, we will end the fiscal year with a 40% fund balance. So that'll get you, that'll put you 5% above the 35% requirement. If we use the equivalent tax rate, we pretty much will stay the same. The demand is we will be 4% above the no-new revenue tax rate, will be roughly 1% under. And if we use the same tax rate, it would be roughly 2%. Hey, Jack. What do the different tax rates? What are their impacts on the overall proposed budget that we've got in front of us today? Is there still a gap? Is there still a delta? Even if or to are given the different rates that you've described? Well, if, you see, thank God. There is, well with the voter approval rate, your, there's no delta. I use the voter approval rate to balance the budget. Got it. There's some things in there like, you know, with that 5% you have roughly half a million dollars in your fund balance to use above that 35% In the attorney expenditure department, we went with 400,000 in FY25 because we didn't know which way that was gonna go. So if we proceed and we continue to move on with litigation, then we have that buffer to pull from if we need to. That was kind of my thought whenever I was just running through the different numbers. So your variance, your 5% variance, you're looking at there kind of covers the potential legal fees. Yeah. Should those cases continue to advance? Yes, right. Got you. Okay. Thank you. So this is the proposed FY25 budget for the general fund. This is what's included. There's a 4% merit increase across the board for all the employees. Public safety on top of that will get a 3% market adjustment. Public safety, there's a reclassification from Sergeant to lieutenant. I think there's there's four that'll be moving from Sergeant to lieutenant and I'm assuming the public safety officers will fill those positions. OK. The additional staff that we all have in the general fund is a system construction and storm water inspector, plant examiner, administrative assistant and assistant city secretary. We had a meet them with hub. They help us with our health insurance, and they told me that I should definitely apply 10% increase and health benefits. So that's also included in this general fund budget. We were able to make a transfer into the CIP fund for FY25 projects and we'll talk about that more towards the end. Of course, with all the technology projects that we pursued here recently, information technology expenditures are going to go up just to cover things like open go of this vast services and produce contact. Mary Smith with Sarah Rockwell, this bad Jan, and I'm controlling police. We also are going to continue the transfers until the equipment, general equipment replacement line to replace vehicles and equipment as well as ad equipment. Hey, Jay, let's pause right here. We don't mind. You look at that second bullet under public safety. We have a 3% market adjustment. I do not believe what they were originally asking for was a 7%, which we try to make that work. But I think at this point, chief theory, if you have five minutes, can you tell us some of the challenges that you and the city is facing when it comes to retaining people and harming people for public safety? Okay, yes sir, thank you. So essentially law enforcement right now across the nation is in a hiring process. Everybody's doing everything they can to approve good officers and the main topic means money. No wonder is it dedicated to the city for five, six years, no leave for $5,000 to go to the city for 30 minutes and that's what it's changed into. For us we have it lost an officer to any other city. Any city in four years, we have one personally four years. Except I was just wondering, he went back to a city where he came from. There's not an agency around us either that doesn't have multiple openings. We have a city where we have the fighting list that people will get here. So it's obviously a great community and that, it's a great community and that's the reason why I'm in a great organization that we have over there. The little back to the association last year did a Haste study based off set cities. They determined that they wanted an 11% raise overall to top out. That will put all of our officers at the top out about 103,000 per officer right now. There are 15 agencies around us and they're currently paying from last year's budget over $100,000 per officer. Each of these officers that we have could walk into those agencies today on a string-mong higher-end process in 34 weeks and make $100,000 for us. We currently are at $93,000 a year. A 7% would get us at $99,000 a year, and then the 11% would be $103,000. The 7%, which is, I believe, what we're posing here, would be $227,000 cost per annual year. And I believe it's less than $300,000 for the year to give them 11%. So I just wanted to kind of let you all know that. That it's extremely competitive right now. We're in a great position with our staff. We're recruiting great officers. And we have a waiting list of great officers I just don't want to get into position if we lose anybody it's a hundred thousand dollars at least by the time we outfit them training, get them all their equipment and it's about a year to get them on the street from the academies that we have to send them to and even then it's still not to be proficient so it takes a long time. So quick question, Chief. So when you say it's a cost of 100 grand, so obviously recruitment, cost money, training cost money, outfitting them takes money. And then timeline obviously creates inefficiencies and effectiveness. So you're saying that that total sum total is $100,000? Around there. By the time we outfit them, because all their uniforms, weapons, some of the stuff we're able to switch out, but some we can. But bunker here for instance is about $10,000. They're fired. They're at all their police gear. And you have the time that we invest. The office we're paying them extra to hire them. Then the background process interview, overtime for interviews, multiple officers, just things. After that, the fire Academy or police academy we send in to is $2,000 or $3,000 each. The gas and fuel we have, too right now, they're driving to Arlington every day going to the police academy Back and forth so you add all in it's about a hundred thousand dollars by the time we get them out of turn Okay, thank you for that clarity. Yes We do we lateral at the mid-range of our salary unlike a Lot of the agencies around us because of the way our step program works, we bring them in that midway on the step, or we don't have the step program on the merit-based increase. So it takes them a significant amount of time, that's another issue, to get to top out where there's, you know, typically the step rates are about 5% around 80% of the roundness. Well, we can get up to 4% a year based on merit. So they're kind of 30% is what they usually get, 3, 3, and half percent, and some other performance. So they're not that far to clue, or you could start by that. No. How do you see these around us? There's none. Now, fate has changed to their data split. They're hiring single-served officers and firefighter EMPs. They're making that change split. So the only one around us is how important? I don't know if they should have made a significant one. Oh, yes. And then. So I give you an example. Fate this year is going to not, from what I've been told, they're obviously working through budget. They're going to 93. Rockwall currently is at 96 and I think totally it's going to be more than that. I don't know the top number, but that's what they're currently. And what about the county sheriffs? They're in the 90s right now, and I don't know that they're getting any added. I haven't spoken to them. Okay. And then just for note, I'm sure you know these numbers, as you go across the pond, Garland's 107 Plano's 108, Alan's 103, Richardson's 102, and I have many more numbers. Yes. If you cross the pond, obviously you're now competing at a different rate as well. Yes, if you cross the pond, obviously you're now competing at a different rate as well. Yes, sir. I added that slash to you. We don't know whether they're going to do this year. Very well. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Any question that we'd like to answer? Councilman, does anybody have any questions? Yeah, I did. So you referenced I think 103. You said was your target. That would be the 11% that they did off their pay study. And their pay studies. So we just kind of kicked around a couple of numbers here. So that pay study was what region was that statewide nationwide? Countywives. I selected amount of cities that they have used typically in the past. It does not include how in part that are comparable to us size and staffing wise. So it's that list that we've kind of used in the slides for a year or so. Yes, sir. Which, you know, at times while in part would get injected into that and that would definitely buy us the numbers. This time I didn't. No, sir. They haven't been injected in anything in a couple of years. And again, at 103, it's excellent money for police officer. I never thought I would see that day. It's very firm, but that's still not even the top of the charts. It's closed, but still. What's the complexities with triple certifications? What's the complexities that it creates to have to have triple certifications? Well, you have to find a unique individual that's able to transition between those three jobs. It's extremely hard. Not many people can do that. It takes a lot of training just to get them in that mindset to be able to switch from the three. Also, it's three skill sets that they have to make things for efficiency and you know, and all of their continued education. It's a constant training all of that. So it's very, very important. So as we talk about these numbers, you're referencing police specifically versus your trouble cert. Yes, they're on DPS systems. Yes. specifically versus your triple-sert on DPS systems. Councilman are there any other questions for the Chair? Chafes, hold on Councilman. We'll go ahead, please. Chief, I know we've talked in the past about, is it the time to split it into two different departments? We're going to two locations where we're starting to expand our DPS. Does this bring us to a point where it may make financial sense to squint it? No, no. Because basically what you're, we're right now, once we get everybody out of training, we're at 7%. I mean, at 7% so you're looking at that likely be one fire shift. We're intertwining, you know, our police officer tonight as well, typically a fire engineer wanted to have four people so if you have two stations that's eight people, then at a maximum, plus a command officer, some kind of the talent chief, then plus your police officers, then you're looking at two chiefs, two facilities, two different command staffs, it will be very falsely, very good very good yeah to split would be a and we're have to work this amount even if we just split just the staff and use the same physical facilities yeah if we were to do that we still we wouldn't have enough staff to cover okay the our operations okay And police and fire pay is free even. I'm sorry. Oh, versus pay. Yeah, it's pretty. It depends on the city. A lot of cities have pay peries worth of greenness with a fire and make with the police and make some don't. And again, we're talking about also a different market. You have a police test and making a hundred thousand and seven people show up. You have a fire test, making 80,000 and 250 people show up. So it's two different. Supplying to man markets. Yeah. Right. Yeah. There you go. I mean, to Paul's point, we asked that the same question every year, when where's the point of critical mass where it starts to make sense of considering splitting off, sounds like we're not there yet. I don't believe so. And even with the city, we're only going to get to a certain amount of people first shift. We have this in the east where I think a lot of the reasons that I'm up for one of face figure reasons is their call volume. I don't think we'll ever have the highlight, the one I've made the most of it. I don't think we'll ever have that time to call that. And our calls are obviously a lot different than theirs. It was less major calls. So at that point, they had the offsets that were being up 24 hour days. Even on firetugs and they can get chairman I have for CS, having to deal with those issues. Who gave this to you before we'll have the staff in the future to address the issue? Thank you, Chief Councilman Dodson. Chief, all the Comparations and Retention Studies that I've seen in just almost every business, right, has income as one of the criteria. But there are typically several other criteria that come above compensation with regards to being able to retain people. Obviously, we've got a really unique situation here with quality of life and the system that you've created with the Tremble environment and what not. How heavily influential are those other areas in terms of retaining people here in here? We have like our culture, the environment, our community, the support. Those are all heavy influence. The types of our coal volumes are heavy influence. All that is a big factor in it, but it's becoming now. It's just so competitive with money that's great. And other things that we also, we have our competing ways that we get to do like the triple certain model, I believe a lot of all are still, that that's what they want to do, they're passionate about both. But there are a lot of, we don't have like traffic units and canines and drones and heavy, swift water rescue departments and, you know, tithmas deployment. We don't have any of that because we don't have the staffing. We are the staff what we can for our city. So it's kind of what give and take on everywhere it is. But the cultural department, I mean, I've seen several officers lead and take 20 and 30, have a long take, that's to come here, right? So it's not all about money, but it's a lot of money. Yeah. OK, thanks, Shane. Yes, sir. Yeah, I think that's a good point, though, Scott. It speaks to the culture that Chief has created. It speaks to the culture of our community. Yeah. But not that we can assume this forever, but it's like you said, you kind of have a list of applicants that you don't even have positions or openings for. That's somewhat of a nice position to be in. And it's really a blessing. Your cautionary tale to us is, those margins are starting to diminish because of the price competitivity out there. Yes, yes. And I hear more was of it, you know, the twin staff, they, everybody sees that, and everybody's like, man, they want to make that mine. I mean, I disagree. So it's more and more tall. And I'm just, maybe I want to let you know that we have a false lawsuit. I don't want to lose all of this. And I definitely don't want to lose them over $2,000 a year. Once you lose a couple, it's a slippery slope. And it propagates a lot of other exits. And I don't think anybody here wants to put you in a disinvainable situation with regards to that, particularly with regards to safety for our community. Yes, sir. Very well. Councilor Scouse, you have any questions? No. Very well. Councilor Crosse, you have any questions? No, we're again, Twitter certified. We went awards constantly for, you know, we're improving our systems. We went awards constantly for, you know, improving our systems and whatnot. And kind of great, you want to remain competitive and not get behind. Very well, Councilor Coulos. So there's another background here. In the 40 plus years that I've been in law enforcement from the prosecutorial and or little bit in courts, pops have been billified, they're not here. You have a lot of officers fleeing from other states. And the difference, having been in a drill in junk, you try and cases, seriously, put a jury in the box, pick another one. I love that. And you get those cops. But you're not looking for those guys, because they want homicides, they want car jackings, and thank God we don't have that. So I think as much as we'd like to get panicked, there's also a very positive of why somebody would want to come here. The back end that I am concerned about having a brother-in-law that's a retired fire captain from Tyler and a major crime nephew in Tyler is the retirement end of it. And the fire department in Tyler, you could catch out. Dallas, of course, had their, my son laws a fireman over there for the last 16 years. Their fun went in the hole. And they made bad investments. So that's the other thing in looking at buying into the retirement account to make it better. So when you say we have people on the way in list, I'm not putting you back to the wall, but is it a handful or is it a significant amount who will continue to work where they are and they want to be on the first call for? It's just a handful that want to come and have an interest in coming here and are waiting for us to open up positions so that we they can. Very well. All right. Maybe on. Thank you, Chief. Yes, sir. Thank you. We'll talk about refugees now. Oh, I'm not done. Let's back up. Jay, you missed the fact that our fearless leader here is going to leave and we're not going to be able to get somebody for the bargain basement for Christ we got Kevin. So you didn't factor that in did you? Because we're talking Yeah, you got me real cheap. Yeah, we did you real cheap and now figure it's gonna be 50 grand Blue light Boy I guess what that means I wouldn't when do when H.O.L.A. Disappear in advertise for the position? We've got a proposal that's a good question and I'll be updating the council next meeting. We have received a proposal from SGR in the amount of 27,900. Ackerman's again, what's SGR? Strategic government. Strategic government is recruiting firm. They're recruiting firm that we've used before. In fact, I think we've got to read that through them. And that price was, to me, it was low. I was expecting about 30 or 40,000. I figured 40 to 50. Yeah, but so that's a good price. But I'll be giving that proposal next Tuesday. And then the salaries, we're going to work on the salary range with Chris V. It's going to be a lot more than what you're taking. I'm sure of it. I love this community. I don't like putting burdens, but the next person you get, you know, we're going to need it, but are they going to need you to put it on my trip of two four? And you're going to get them probably from, they're going to come from the world outside of the walls of the city, and so they're going to have that different mindset. And so it's going to be important that we work closely with SGR and tell them what we mean by rural by design and how it's only worked here as a user problem. But mostly the issues we have with water and I'm recommending you find someone who's got a strong background in infrastructure funding and infrastructure management. And you may be looking at someone who may actually be a registered engineer who has become a city manager. But I've had plenty of discussions with the mayor and anything with staff, what we think the next city manager should do. All right, we'll be going over that at the next council meeting. Exactly. So you're saying it right now, it's a minimum of 27K from what the recruiting company said. The differential. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 20, 27K. 28K. Okay, thank you. This is the general fine revenues from the FAR lift, you have a description of all the revenues, uh, the property tax, administrative revenue, permanent fee revenue, the lease and court, fire department, water revenue, park revenue, and transfers in the transfers, in phases, uh, it's transferred transfers from other funds. You have a transfer from the utility fund for indirect costs and from the HNBC and HEDC for administrative costs. Just a breakdown here. I'll look directly at the proposed budget. We plan to end the fiscal year with the fund balance of 4.2, roughly 4.2 million. Property tax revenue with the voter approval rate, tax rate being utilized that I'll bring in a total property tax revenue. 6.2 million administrative revenues this includes sales tax. You make your drink tax and that comes to 2.5 million. Can you go back to the property tax revenue? Can you go back to the property tax revenue? This is based on the voter approval rate. You got 6.258 mil. But the voter approval rate for a couple slides back, 6.193 mil. Yeah, you have penalties and interests. If you look at your proposed annual operating budget, it has a breakdown. If you go to page 3, it has a breakdown. You got a page three. It has a breakdown around it to the nearest hundred. Right there you'll have the apple on. Come to see the interest. The tax certificate fee. Got you. And the link. Okay. Got you. I'm a link. Okay. Got it. Thank you. So the following one brings question there. Mr. Guin. So the following one brings question there. That 2425 proposed budget for property tax revenue. It includes this voter approval rate. That's what that's the jump then. Yes, right where we have a fairly marginal increase from 23 to 24. That's what's driving that to 25. Gotcha. Thank you. No problem. Then you have the fire department revenue. I had a police revenue had 163,000 roughly, 32,000, or the fire department revenue, 35,000 for the Fire Department revenue and the transfers in total at 530,000, which brings total revenue for FY 25, 10.6 million, and your total source of the funds, that's your fund balance, your beginning fund balance, plus your revenues for FY 25. Jay, the transfer's in, what's the breakdown on that one? That has the, What's the breakdown on that one? That has the C on page 4. You have the transfer end from the utility fund. That's for indirect costs. Transfer end from solid waste, that's more administrative and HMBC, HEDC. They both transfer in 18,000 a piece and then there's a transfer in from the General CIP and that's for personal comments to manage those projects. the HMBC, the HMBC, the HMNB benefits corporation and the I think the difference is. Well, I did some research. I just used two and a half percent of revenues to make that change. And I was doing my research, it's typically 5%, but I went lower. But we'll also go through the process of vetting that through the utility rate study. So when we get through with this and everybody's on board with the capital projects, I'll also present this to Jason Grayden with Willden to vet that number for us. So for the utility fund, we're looking at raising rates to bring in more money. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So kind of like an extra tax. Hey Kevin. On that water revenue and fees line, with the well that's going in the park project here behind us, if we in fact move forward and monetize to some of that water for irrigation and sold that water, is this the line that it would be captured under in terms of water revenue, or would that fall somewhere else? We would probably can take, correct, but we would be in the same category but there'd be different lines and we'd see crap on the irrigation supply. Okay. And then also before the well-led site, we're gonna be just increasing volume while that well, from pot of water as well, but that part would be in the list. But yeah, we would not have this included. Got it, okay, thank you, sir. I did anybody have any more questions on the revenues? Councilman, any questions? Please use them. I did anybody have any more questions on the revenues? Councilman, any questions? Please use the count of the waiver. You have the same analysis for the, maybe it's, you know, slide 72, who is Kevin Reluga-2. Do you have the same analysis for the equivalent tax rate? This looks like a budget for the voter approval rate. Yeah. Am I not there? Thank you. Thank you, Mito. Cut it off. Whenever I was doing the 35% fund balance, but what I'll do is I'll update this to include what the difference will be between each. But I just showed the the fund balance percentages Okay, thank you Okay, and this is a Breakdown of the revenues. As you can see, property taxes. I was looking at the previous last years of breakdown. And it's pretty much the same where property tax revenue is a huge source of the city's general fund revenue. This is a breakdown of expedientures for each department, which would total up expenditures with total up to 10.6, and which will achieve a balanced budget or revenues? Our expenditures don't exceed revenues. And this gives a breakdown of the liques, but ditches, and the general fine. Do we have any risks on the proposed budget that you see in terms of us being able to achieve these levels? No, well the only thing that may be a risk is the litigation is the only thing that I can foresee actually having an impact outside of that, I really don't see anything else. Okay. Thanks, Chef. I guess to follow up with Scott's comment, if you on this slide, if you look at the projected actuals versus the budget, you know, in general, it's a really very conservative staff. And they always typically come in under. I'm curious on community development, amended budget versus projected actuals, about 110 and 120 grand increase. Remind me what that would be for. I'm saying. I have my point or I point to it, but it's needed development. A minute versus projected actuals. I'm saying. We are still asking for an admin assistant or is that coming up? Well, but we're talking about this current year. Oh, the current year. Yeah, the projective actionals. Okay. 120 grand. Do you have a built-in? How contract inspections? Yeah, they came in high. What was it? The contract inspections. For contract surveillance. Yeah, if you look that was for the American National Bank, King Middle School. Those are two big ones. We have another one that I can't work with. You have the on-board facility. And then we also used before the hospital project. The plan we've got is that we do get reimbursed, yeah, they pay us back. So that's a pass. That means what we do. That means what we do. Read major projects and why is this costing us on our market? Well, we actually, they pay us back through the permit fees, but we use them to do all of our commercial planning checks. Plays an example for issuing the commercial bill. An outside service. Outside service. Called Bureau via toss. Okay, so that 100 grand should be charged back somewhere. You should be recapturing that because it's a pass group fee. Yes, it'll be. Even from the schools, they don't pay for anything. Well, yeah, I mean it's- Who'd you say? It'll- You have to provide that for stretching and they'll have- That's another issue on Tasty-Nightwalk. We'll talk about this. They pay these pass-group fees. They don't pay a comment fee. They read in verses for the playing review. Okay, and we haven't gotten it. What's this reflecting? No, it goes into the revenues whenever it's book. It doesn't go back into the expense account. This is just the expense. Yeah, one of you, one of you- But I guess I'm asking, is it here or is it the wish in the future? Well, it should have been. It should be here if it's received. We're not sure how we haven't received it. So you don't issue a permit until they pay what it's due. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're still... But it goes into the revenue funds, not into our... It's not so reflected as a negative expense. But it sort of is here. Yeah, it goes into it. But it's got to come back and balance out as a positive elsewhere. Yeah, it'll be on the Z-row because your revenues and increase, your revenues and entries, you know, based on what you're, you're, uh, expended in your expense account. You don't wash. Yeah, it's a wash. But we don't know if it's washed. Yeah. Yeah. But this is just an expenditure. Well, we have to do a transaction. That's not something that I'm going to be able to just go straight off my foot. This is an expenditure layer. So. All right. OK. Here we go. So this is the breakdown of the proposed budget. Public safety is 49% of the expenditures. Following in right behind that is your non-divisional and that includes your transfers and then it's just a breakdown of every department in the general fund. So Jay would remind me does this public safety expenditure reflect the 11% request or the 7% or the 3% is the 7%? Yeah, it's the 4% with the 3% mark adjustment Okay, so this reflects the 7% yeah, adjust Thank you And we're gonna touch on day service the day service fine It's where I was talking about earlier about our interest in sinking. Tax rate. That's the rate that the Rockwell County will pay the district calculates. And then this is a breakdown of the budget for our debt service. Total revenues for the debt service is $2.795 million. We have a reserve in the debt service fund of roughly $400,000 with a total resources of 3.2 million to cover principal interest payments that are doing FY 25. The reserve or the amount of debt I think that we're trying to continue to pick out on that. I think right now with the way the 2023 CO was structured, it was structured in a way where if we hadn't issued that debt, it would have decreased over time. But this, the 2023 issue was backloaded. So we're not paying as much upfront, but as we get towards the end of the the debt service for that bond issuance it gets significantly higher. So it's it's going to keep the weighty structure, it was to keep it around the same as ours, what was going to be due from the debt service fund. So we think about other bonds in the future, it's important to understand how those are structured or a poor recovery factor. Yeah, and then on top of that, just keeping up with the different bonds, because after nine years, you can refund them. And based on the climate at the time, whenever you decide to do that, you know, just say we go through another COVID event, that was the best time to refinance that. And you know, you get a significant lower payments and extend that service out to make more room to issue more debt. So it's just doing that at the right time. And being just a gemstone, as we've been talking about that on and off, and I did let them know that. And this is not a general side, but on the utility side that we are anticipating possibly on issuing that address some utility infrastructure projects. Thank you very much. That's no problem. And this is all of your debt service. We still have the 2013 CO, uh, hospital interest, uh, 2014 CO. Uh, you have the 2015, uh, refunding that was done, uh, the 2007. Uh, no, the 2017 CO, uh, you have the 2019 PID and the 2019 CO and the 2020-30 CO that we just issued for town center park at the Public Safety Building and the Public Works Facility. So the total total debt service due in FY 25 was 3.3.2 million. Whenever Rockwall County appraisal district does their calculation, they keep track of the amount of reserve that you have in your in your a disservice fine and really what they don't want you to do is over collect. So whenever they did that calculation they identified that we had reserved is why they and that's why they said the rate where it is where it would actually draw down a reserve that we have in the disservice fine. So you'll see the difference there between revenues and expenditures. You have a $381,000 deficit, which leaves us with 30,000 in that desirous fund. Question. That's fine. Question? Councilman, do you have any questions on would that service phone? Explained again, please. That's my question. Okay, so when, whenever? It's for a good deficit. All of it. Okay. So whenever the Rockwell County and Praja District, they have this tax rate calculation that they do. They have all our praise and values and they run the numbers for debt sellers. What they ask us is, you know, how much are you on debt and, you know, and then on top of that, are you receiving any funding to help pay that debt. So if you look at our debt service schedule for the INS fund I think is you have all all of the debt servers schedules qualify our sending schedules, file of our outstanding debt. And what they do is they add everything that's due in FY25. And based on that information, they're able to take that information, whatever you're getting to help supplement and pay for that debt that's due in FY25. And whatever's left over after you receive those supplements to help pay forward. I think it left us with $2.7 million. And what they do is take the appraisal values and they take the amount that's due for that debt service. And that the debt service is divided by the appraisal value, which will give you your rate. And so that is used to calculate what your ionized text rate is. So basically you're saying they take all the debt, they use our appraisal values, they back out any kind of surplus we have. And that's why you've got the negative here is because they backed out that service back when they calculated our rate. There was already some money sitting there. So the rate is not calculated on the full amount. So full amount minus the full amount of dollar. And they keep track of that. Yeah, that did not happen. So, yeah. I think I told all the forces. Because they keep a pot of money. They keep track of all the prisoners. So is this meddling to see whether we're solvent or whether or not we're hiding money? Well, they don't want you to like a slush fine in the dead service fine. I think that's the reason why they do it. They don't want you to you know you might be an area. Well but hold we have that 412 there. They don't want that to happen every year. So what they're saying is the rate that they gave us for here came up with four. We had a 412 left over. So for this year they're saying back off that 4-12, take the rest of the money to and use that to calculate the rate so it comes out neutral in the end. So at the end of the day, this 381,000- quote deficit is not a big scary thing. It's basically saying that we're going to use our leftover money from the previous year to offset that. It's not a truly realized deficit. Yeah, right. And your point, Jay, is kind of like your income taxes. You're trying to, you like to get to the end of the year, only zero. Yeah. So the bottom line on the side. So the bottom line up here is that you're really trying to get to the point where you're as close to zero as you can possibly get to. Yeah, pretty much. Right. Okay. Without hoarding money. Without hoarding, hiding, or doing something very various. Yeah. Thank you, Councilor. Thank you, Councilor Rufo. It was a great break down. You ready for it? Okay. OK. OK, and this is the utility line proposed FY25 budget. These are the increases. There's a 4%. There's no salary market adjustments. I think that got left on my accident. And the additional staff, I think that was from my assurances. I apologize. The only thing is the health insurance, the CIP fund transferred for the pay as you go and the equipment placement fund. And we're still working on the Wilden-Race Study to address capital projects moving forward. You apologize for what? Those three shouldn't be in there under additional staff? Yeah, those additional staff, those shouldn't be there and the salary market adjustments. Okay. Okay, this is a look at our take or pay. The stars in August and ends in July. In the dark blue. You can see that that will. But it's on the right is starting with August 2023 up until June. I think the total usage that we have is roughly 800 million gallons and our take-or-pay is roughly 9.8 million. And I touched base with Mary and what she saw, she said she doesn't foresee us exceeding our take-or-pay minimum so we'll continue to have that that 9.8 million 180 million I'm sorry. 980 million moving forward so we won't be paying anything for anything extra outside of that we're still kept there. So essentially we're paying for 180 million gallons that we're not receiving Yeah, yeah, you still have to pay for yeah Well, and this all it's all predicated on how we end that you like to because we haven't received that that number yet Okay, and Okay, I already discussed that. The amounts are still the same. I'm sorry to go back. Do you have a dollar figure to that 180 million gallons? No, I don't, but I can get it. I can get it to you. Great, thank you. It seems contradictory to the conservation they're selling. It doesn't. Yeah. It seems contradictory to the conservation they're selling. It's doesn't. Yeah. It seems slimy. Yeah, because I don't think, I don't know if y'all ever get back to the night. Well, I mean, it depends on the growth too. But I mean, the last couple of years, y'all haven't exceeded the max. So, right. We'd like that one. Well that's because they're they're capping us at six million a day. Yeah. Yeah. That's why we're not able to realize. There would be there would be rockwells two different entities. All right. I don't want to get into that. No the takeer pay is too rockwell. Yeah but you're saying you're talking about the takeer pay, two rock wall, however they're required by North Texas minus water distribution. And as far as the six million a day is based on multiple factors at that time. Sure, but the fact that we're capped at a six a day is why we can't achieve a previous high, if you will. I'm sure a previous quality of 9.8. I don't recall what year we had 9.8. I think it was 22. Why 22, I believe. Can you say, I speak louder or can you hear me? FY22. Yeah. It may have been. I don't recall when we hit that. It looks. I don't know what you're going to read that. It looks... I would assume if this is usage. Yeah, it looks like 20... 22. Well, maybe. Did you say something wrong? Yeah, well, that's the one thing. But just in general, it would be 22. Good August was low that same year. But anyway, OK. Well, in storing that water, if we had storage, it was also got a lot of cost because of age water and the byproducts and having to turn it. So it just seems to be antithetical to their mission state. I'm through with my politics. All right, let's move forward. And after discussion with Mary, there were based on a report that I received a while back from Matt, there was, and there was, respecting the increased race by 11%. I went on and included that in this budget because it could possibly get that high, but I think just preliminary. Just talking to Mary, she said $3.95 per 1,000 gallons. But that's still not the final, yeah, based on the brief discussions that we had. But if we use the 3.95, the total cost of the annual allocation is per thousand gallons. Two, three, 95 per thousand gallons. Just for clarity purposes. Yes, we're going to do it. For the industry. It's a great deal. Change. Let's do that. Moving forward. Okay, and this is the, this is the breakdown of the regional wastewater system. This is what we have to pay for for wastewater services to North Texas, the Muscle Water District. And if you see there, the fourth, from the top, you have Heath and we're increasing. And FY24 it was 2.267 million. Now we're up to 3.34 million. Original waste water services. We're not crazy far from rock ball. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of surprising just with their population versus ours. So they run a study to see what we flow into their system. Yeah. And based on the eight-year system, what kind of eye and eye you have, how well you kept up with it, you could be smaller and be very great advanced and things like that be just starting more than a harder city. Rock ball is under the plant also, so not all of a city is coming to the air. Got you, blood. Got you guys. Thank you And this is roughly Whatever that is 3.3 4 million compared to 2.276 year before 2.763 so it it's a 21, 21% increase. But our growth, of course, has not been a 21% increase. Now, our percentage of utilization has not been a 21% increase. So how are they arriving at that 21% increase? That's right. I mentioned literature. I and I, you had a web season this year. North Texas came to do, met with Martin, and said, plummagers in the maples. They then sent us emails, or what maples was, infiltrating with infiltrating of water. And it was heavy as big. We hit especially on this side of the town. It seemed like it's south side of Livestock and the south part of town. Just ran more this winter than it had in the wild. We had a lot of infant. So this is up here, we'll have a look. So this is episodic based on rainfall and then the outgoing flow. Then, right? Yes. Gotcha. And that infiltration is a factor of the age or because of the weather or a combination thereof. A factor of age if you have played out past 4 years old. And we do. Open manholes, yes? And we did. Open manholes, yes, then we did. Open manholes or leaking manholes? Customers that had clean outs opening their yards where the water just runs into it. There's a lot of practice. Okay, thank you. And then this is the breakdown for the Buffalo Creek Interceptor. He's portioned, it's gone from roughly 1.8 million to 2 million. It was a $413,000 increase. This is a breakdown of the revenues and the utility fund. Total revenues is at 15.5 million roughly. You have a fund balance of 11.9 million with total sources of funds that 27.5 million. This is a breakdown of your revenues in the utility fine. And then your total expenditures total 17.7 million. And a huge driver for that is in your non-divisional. There's a transfer from the utility fund to the utility CIP to jump-store capital projects. And we'll actually take a look at that on the end. This is a breakdown of the expenditures and the utility fine for the proposed budget. And then this is the solid waste fine. Think, Terri, what is it? Like a 2% increase that we saw. So roughly, there was a 2% increase expected on solid waste. And I think that's in their contract. That they get 2%. I apologize in a room that we've had frustration. There's two and a half years left on the contract. It's my privilege that you guys want to do it. That's it. And it brings total sources of funds at 1.3 million. Are there other options for us in terms of when you do an RQ and you'll get a lot of people come to your door to catch a head. You can also park it with other cities if you want to increase the market area. Right. So there's a lot of options but just Yeah, we're a rock band. Yeah, we're a rock band. Okay, you got two years ago. Right, but no. There are no early outs in this contract. No, you'd have to litigate them when we thought about that for lack of service but that's another two or three years and 300,000 bucks. I don't know. Okay. Thanks, Kim. And this is a breakdown of all the expenses associated with the solid waste. Total expenditures for solid waste is 1.15 million in the transferers total 80,000 which brings total expenses to 1.2, 3 million, which would actually bring in surplus in the solid waste line. And that helped out a lot whenever the disaster storm came, we were able to utilize some of that fund balance to address the brush issue. Then we're going to go over the special revenue funds. We're going to start off with the part path fund. Have a fund balance of 12.7, $12,766, not a lot of activity in this fund. Total sources of funds is at $27,866 and the use of funds're going to use some of that money to for promotions and capital outlay, associated with parks and trails. And that brings a total of expenses to 14,000, which leads them a surplus of 1100, which would increase their upon balance Towards the next fiscal year Jay that doesn't include any of the public private partnership from the Path fund that is being contemplated right now. No This is just yeah of existing money. Now, I will, the external contributions is, yeah, that's the 15,000. Yes, I'm sorry. So, that's the public power requirement. So, that's the 15,000. Right. Tanture contribution. Councilman, not currently. Right. So, that record hasn't yet codified. So, we'll be notified by that chair. Right. That's all. Okay. Thanks. This is your storm drainage fund. There's a transfer from the general fund to the storm drainage fund to fund our storm drainage projects. I guess Richard, the Cerrito Circle on Legend, bear are going to be done and in the next year possibly? Well, so there's been this year. Okay. We're still about to back this for the election. Okay. We're having a little bit of issue with the other members getting this to be. Okay. We're shooting the circle so that's what's going to happen. Okay. Okay. And if that project's not not finished in this fiscal year, it'll carry over. That's why I was attempting to do here. And FY25 budget. But those total projects will bring, we have a deficit there between current revenues and expenses and your Indian funds balance there will be 179,000. I know last budget cycle, I had discussed briefly about a storm drainage utility district. And I guess I want to bring that back to the table just to get everybody's thoughts on establishing that. Typically what I've seen is for each resident they'll establish the flat rate of fee. In Terrell I know it was roughly like $5 to address storms during projects and your commercial businesses will be charged based on impervious area, which they will contribute significantly more than a resident would. I think the benefits of having this would actually take some of the burden off the general fund. So, you're able to do more as far as addressing other initiatives outside of the storm drainage projects. But yeah, that's pretty much it. That's why I included this slide in here just to briefly go over there with you all and get your thoughts on that. Yeah, because we've had some, I say healthy skepticism of the virus because it is perceived as a tax, but it basically is an increase to reflect it as an increase until they're water bill. So this is something that I'm sure will be discussed later on and we formalize our question in the intercession, but it will be a good job here. The constituents would be looking at 5.21. Any questions? We've let it in and watered it. I think from my perspective, unless we can put a face on what these projects are, then it will be just perceived as a tax or as an increase. But if there are things that this money can specifically be targeted for, then you can socialize that probably a bit more effectively. If there's a line of sign on what we're doing with the incremental amount that we're asking each citizen to pay. Okay. That, again, that's just my perspective. Okay. That's just my perspective. OK. Which we had talked about the visualization of the GIS system to where it actually showcases all of the projects that you're working on and all that. Is that still moving forward? Are we headed in that direction? Yes. And that was the reason I was working and putting this 10-year capital plan together. This is the first step just outlining the projects and then we'll go more in detail into smart sheets. I've talked with them briefly about that but as we progress into the next field school gear, I'll talk talk some more in depth. I definitely think that would be very beneficial to the city where they can actually go to the website and get updates on all of the projects that are actually happening in the city. So, Sam, do you guys see any integration issues as far as implementing that onto the site. On to what I didn't hear you. On to our website. So the GIS system as they go through, you know, whether it be any project, there is an updating module that you can see for cost. You can see it what phase the projects are in. And so essentially as I'm to understand it, as staff updates these phases of these projects, it implements into the system, and you can have it interconnected and embedded into the website. So basically all of residents can physically go see any given time, any of that information. And as Jay and Richard, some of this money could some of this money also be used in our drainage participation zone where we actually partner with homeowners who've got private drainage issues or does this have to be earmarked strictly for a CIP type project or that may be something good because I'm thinking that we were always low on that budget, we have that program where we work with problem owners and they like it but they put skin in the game and we put skin in it and this I'm not like that we can and I like for us to if we get this approved you know for us to put a little bit more skin in the game and take the burden off on the water. But again, Scott, you're what you say, it needs to be detailed. And in the past, it hasn't been included. So this is something you have to give us the thumbs up or thumbs down. Either way, we'll make it work. But next year, you'll probably see the same slide. We don't need that. Be patient with this. So essentially, we're looking for creative solutions and implementing new resources. Exactly. That's why we have this. And obviously I believe many people on this bench as well as our residents understand that we have an aging infrastructure and that we have a number of issues whether it be drainage because topographically we have some uniqueness as we are close to a lake. And we also have identified in public works that we need drainage specialists on staff, correct? And so we saw that as we saw in this last severe storm. There are a lot of scared residents thinking that their homes could be flooded. They were in some cases as we saw on the tour, we saw where drainage was creating your own driveway where it's a mud pit and you can't even get out of your own driveway. So as an aging city, we've got to address some of these things. So again, you're looking for unique resources to increase our capabilities to be able to handle that for the residents very well. Okay, so we voted this down last year when y'all brought this up? Yeah, I think that's a couple of years. Yes, well, I was only here last year. I know. But you were here in spirit. Well, yeah, haunting you. And it's like sticking your finger in the eye of the residents who have invested in the city for a long term because a lot of the flood water is development problems. More concrete, more water. So I'm not very receptive to this because every month, just what you pay for water and to be able to flush your toilet here is really high. And people gripe about that and you add another 20 bucks or five, whatever you want to do. And it's just every month, they're recurring finger in their eyes. So if there's a way you can move this over and it goes into the building permit, because they're going to put more concrete on the ground. And we did the tree ordinance to stop some of the flooding. So we've done some proactive things but I'm not a friend of this, I just take you. All right, well Councilman one thing to note is you've got 22 permits on the books for this year. And that's all right. Councilman, if I could please finish. So to this point you've got 22 permits on the ground this year. Last year was an all-time load, 77, 74. So essentially, as they're looking for new resources, when they're also referencing your aging areas are not new development. So you are correct, as far as saying, a developer comes in and puts new concrete in, rabbit ridge being one of those. They were addressing that. I do agree with your comment as far as assessing these additional impact fees. However, I think that's not material enough for what they're saying we actually need. Because of all of the older areas of town, that's actually where the vast majority of the problems are. Correct? So you're very right. I'm actually concurring with you. I'm just saying that it's bigger than the development side of the house is not the problem unfortunately. Well it's not the problem. Unfortunately. Well, it's not the problem. And a lot of those over when the bus tour was neglect. Like your neighborhood, in fact, we've got. And I called for six years in Chuck God did nothing. Sorry, Chuck, if you're listening to me. So to your point, we agree. It's just not a big enough impact for what they believe that we need because we do have a lot of older areas and a lot of this does tend to affect the lakeside part of the community. On a final note mayor this as you can see in the slide this this is actually regulated how we apply this this additional fee is regulated by the local code and I don't think I'd have to read it again I don't think it allows cities to target it to certain certain types of development it has to be a citywide application so they restrict us and how we can apply it but good thing it's going to be alternative to adding this all I'll call it distinct fee, is to incorporate these anticipated costs into our rates. Whether it's the rates of either water or sewer, I understand this is storm drain, but can you incorporate these infrastructure improvements into those funds? I'm not sure if you can. I don't think you can tell me. It would be a separately safe deal. You can be on the field. Okay. Right. You can be filled by your trash. No, that's due to itemization necessities for your life. You're getting rattened in your rate and then fund the market. At this rate for approximately 200 Bill customers, it would be about 250,000 right here. Could we change it every year? I'm not opposed to doing something to fund to very specific needs. I just don't like the idea of, I've had tarot bills, and I've seen that on there, and I think, what are they doing with that? It seems like an arbitrary number that's not tied to actual expenditures. I mean, if we can, if we can tie something, this project costs a million dollars, it's going to be a levy of x number of dollars per, you know, per capita. Like that's something that can, it's defensible. This, I just don't like the arbitrary feeling. No, I agree something like this. So I agree with it. It's Councilor Rufo and I think that goes back to Councilman Dodson's comments, right? It's not a bad thing. It's got some hard, harsh optics and it needs clarity. system and having that transparency on the website can assist that. Maybe even communication inside the build. But again, to your question, as I understand it, this is an annual line item that can be looked at every year. Right? And you can pull it off. You can edit it. Yeah, it's a practice. So even next year, if we see, hey, look, we've planned appropriately, we've had a smart surplus, maybe we even do better than our projections, then we re-analyze it. Maybe there's an overwhelming response from the community, right? But yes. I agree, Paul, put a face on these projects, make them real tangible. The people know where this money is going, towards or whatever, money we ask. And I understand a lot better chance of keeping the pitchforks in the torches. Get that. For a special in this case, if we're not going to lower the attaches, and we're going to add fees, you know, and you're going to come in because we do get criticized for that. Well, you say you lowered it, but my water bills is high and my taxes is high. In this case, we're hitting them both ways. Yeah, I think that's right. I think to give further consideration to this, so in our packet, and I understand why, but in our packet, we basically have two years of history. 20th, fiscal year 223, where we spent 40 grand, on storm, storm, storm drain projects. Last year we spent, we were projected to spend 225. Yes. So that's, but this proposal produces, I think would you say, air in roughly 250, about 250. So I would need to see a little more historic trending to see where this should land. If we are to entertain this, where are expenditures have historically been, and where we project them to go, to further justify this quality? Did you also entertain considering things to further justify this quality. Did you also entertain considering things that have not been expenditures that have been raised that haven't been addressed? Yes, I think that's highly needed in this exercise. And then also, the whole idea of prioritization. So do we need different things on stormwater? Yes. Do we need some things on wastewater? And Yes. Do we need some things on wastewater? Look at that. Our expenditures through our wastewater system of nearly 3 million this year. Well, through that system, that's real savings, which, if we wanted to stagger things, some of that real savings could fund some of these other projects. So we could be doing good job of prioritizing where the spend goes, we can start hitting some of the big blocks. You know it's a great comment, Councilman. Brian, you have an answer for that? Well, so there's some issue with spending wastewater revenue money on dental finance like long grains. But the economy would hold to the freeze of money for that utility. You know, you'd even be in a private room in. You know, the administrative transfer for an old operator like me is a terrible order that we, I've seen no order, what he says. So we do it, you know, the administrative transfer from the water fund to the general fund, how I got it, okay. Which I had a batch. Anyway, did that have to be done when you can start out at that bed school? It's up to the council. Y'all stress y'all represent the city. What can the service, what do y'all want? You know, you can have bumpy roads, you can have leaking waste wastewater systems or not. It's up to you guys. You present that to us and we'll write you with the dollar amount to get that done. And you got to sign that stuff that will serve as you want for this to expensive. Then you got to go into the realization that you can figure out where that's at. But I've only been here two months and I would have clarity on what the council wants. I think some levels, because I hear a lot of words about how in part it premieres these and all that, but they fund their stuff heavily. And that's a decision that we're here to sort of, and I'll be honest with you out of the ice now, yet, what you guys want. And we can give you all the bells and whistles for what I think is greener. Or there are plenty of communities that are here that don't do that. And you can totally decide as the leaders of this community to do that. I don't know if that's what the residents want or not. You got to learn that. Very well. They wanted until they see the bill. Right. So they don't want to be, you know, and I'll set them that they want to leave the job. It's tough. Because you all got to manage that. And I think it comes through communication and education. I'm still in Tom Bishop's one. So I go what you just said. If you can stand in outward, we don't really know what. What do you want? Well, I'll speak. I'll speak. I cannot represent the body on this line item, but I can tell you, and I'm happy to allow, you know, a minute each to kind of speak on behalf of your constituents. But I believe that this community wants a premier city. I think that this city struggles as any city probably does when you're trying to look at inflation and you look at your bills and you look at the bills of the city and you look at the tax and we've got a strong, we have a limited amount of space number one and number two is we've got a strong opinion on limiting a lot of other ways to create resources such as commercial and so it's a real tough balancing act I I think, for everybody on this bench. But in general, I will tell you that the vast majority of the constituents in which I've spoken to want to see a premier city. They want to see that we don't have storm drainage problems. They don't want to see that we don't have the supply that they believe is needed. Whether staff believes it's okay to water your lawn or not, they believe that they have a right in our job is to figure out how to get them the water that they want and the water that they are perceived to need. So again, whether it be water, whether it be storm drainage, it doesn't matter. People want to see a premier city, all the way down to flowers in the mediums, right? So I'll let this time allow Councilman Krauss to lead the charge and speak on behalf of what he believes to be his constituents on that topic. At that topic, meeting is water. You're telling me it just before I- No, just in general, he's this is this has been a topic. This is not just Mr. Creed. This is this is staff in general are looking for some consensus of direction because they do feel as if they're a little bit in a rock in our place when trying to create the way out you guys. I mean, sure, we don't know. Because there are levels, right? I mean, the city of Seableville is not going to present the big odds you guys. We don't know, because there are levels, right? I mean, the city of Seableville is not going to present a big street budget. If we can drop down the roads, I'm not thinking on them, but see that they're not going to do that. And but is he going to do that? Is that what he wants? Because we get some stuff that needs some attention. And we're going to ask for that funding if it wants to be addressed or not. And again, I think to put a little extra information inside of your question is that to be a premier city, aging software, aging infrastructure, all of these light items are things that are we trying to continue to stay as lean and mean as possible. That means that means not just in staffing. That means in a multitude of other ways, right? Lean and mean in general. Or are we saying, hey, look, we've got a lot of stuff to go address and fix to become that premier city, whether be term used as premier, state of the art, all of the different ways in which you can describe that. Whatever you guys add, it would be interesting for staff to hear what you guys want. All right, so at this time, Mr. Krauss, would you like to lead us off? Sure. I think part of our problem is that we're saying is we get some catching up to do. You know, with the roads and the problem. And we have spent quite a bit of money on storm sewer in the past. You know, we did what? $23 million in bonds, you know, with the city we're still paying off. So we've done that. The trouble that is, that isn't sexy stuff. You don't see it. It's not roads. It's not pretty buildings. It's all underground. So we have been doing it. But we certainly, I think, have some catching up to do. And I don't not that I think we should lose a ride on the ball. But I think we should have a eye on the ball, but I think we should have a plan like we're saying that the water systems, you know, not up the par. We've got software systems not up the par. We have a looming huge bill in our water system wherever our supplier is or whether it's Wells or... So I guess what I think our constituents want us to do is to work on improving toward a premier city. And just like the park bond, and you know what people I do, they're like, darn, I'm tired of you people talking and talking and talking, I'm not doing anything. Sure enough, we do the bond for the park, and now we have a big water snafu. So I think one of the EDC-MBC folks actually voted against helping with the park because of that. So I think our drive should be to continue to improve, and I think the citizens know we have to do this stuff incrementally. One of the smarter things we did, that's in a way how we wound up with the streets and buffalo creak, you know, we let developers develop to their standards and then got annexed. Well, we learned better. No, if you're going to get that, you have to develop to our standards if you want to get that was a big lesson learned. So that will help in the future. And to Council and Cross's point, right, We are also talking about things that predate even people that sit on this panel, people that need remedy. Chairman. So I don't know that I can really give you a clear answer. I think what folks want is like saying the water they need, they want, you know, I would like for us to see improvement as far as we can cure any of this. I don't know, we need a timeline on it. How long would it take? We would take 10 years. How many millions would it take? I don't know. And maybe we start, hey, fun for that. It's like your stormwater. Maybe we should have a, you know, public works fund, you know, a road utility district. I mean, you build my brother Long Island, you look at his bill, he's got like nine things, you know, fire department, this, that, you know, I think it would be cleaner to have it rolled up into one tax, in my opinion, and have a plan, the visualization of what that tax money is going to go for. And so that people feel we have a plan to get to these improvements. And ultimately, work on the polishing stuff for the premier city. Very good. Thank you, Councilman Dodson. Yep, Ryan and staff. I think a lot of work I come out on this, I think that the people that I've spoken with are very much in favor of wanting to have all of the elements of being a premier city. I think Brant's comment earlier is true until those are socialized, then people start, you know, retracting back from that position. You want everything, as long as it doesn't cost you anything. But now that it's going to cost you, who hey, maybe we don't need all these things. But everybody wants it. However, I think what the water crisis has sort of demonstrated is that people have come forward and have expressed an interest in a willingness to pay to have some of these services brought forward and fixed. in a willingness to pay to have some of these services brought forward and fixed, right? And as Kevin said, I think he was opening statement, this being a catch up budget process, I can't help but think that maybe there's a step in approach, maybe there's a few years timeframe that we can put forth some of these projects and execute against and show the citizens of this city that we're able to execute against a plan to deliver the things that they're wanting and that they're expecting, right? You know, when I talk and I hear things about sort of being a premier city, you know, the Parks project I think is terrific, but then people also want the trail connectivity. You know, if we are a park's and trails community, then we need to act like it and put our money where our mouth is and actually be that as opposed to just talk that. We've made some good progress, but I think that there's a lot of synergy in completing some of those things so that we can make a step towards those actions and activities. I think that you get what you can articulate. So like Richard mentioned, I think that if we're able to put form a plan and put a face on some of these projects and show people what they can get or what we are supporting for what they and we are being asked to pay, then I think more than less, you're always going to have the faction that doesn't want to pay anything more and that's fine, you've got that never-city. But we need to we need to list those projects out and we need to show a step and approach over a few year period so that they can get the types of things that they're wanting and expecting for living in a, you know, blessed community like, you know, we all live in and at the same time have some reasonableness with regards to what that's going to cost and over one period of time. It's hard to go from, you know, not spending on these things to going all in in one year, but you can probably step into that and make the, you know, make the burden, you don't get too far out over your skis on the projects, but you also have a pretty good feeling on what you can achieve over a period of time and show people that you can actually spend against those targets. I'm very good. Thank you. Be Councilor Dodson. Councilor Weber. Yeah, I'll agree with quite a bit with a lot of time already. Yeah. Next. It didn't feel like free. For the record. For the record. That was not my buzzer. Go ahead. I think so. So the highest priority from my perspective, the perspective of my constituents, the highest priority in Heath is to keep it Heath. And that means don't over develop commercially and don't over develop with high density housing. Okay, so that's the highest priority. Then included below, quickly below that is, given those two things below that is, given those two things, that is what fundamentally makes heath nice, it's what makes us premiere. We're not Frisco, Faith, Forny, you name all the F cities, there's a bunch of them. We're not that, and by design, we don't wanna become that. So you keep those two things in mind. That helps lead to a premier city because what is here is traditionally nice and spacious and so forth and not overcrowded. People are willing to pay for that if they understand to keep the first two line items in check. Don't overbuild my commercial footprint, and don't overbuild my hide-and-stay housing. To keep those in check, I'm willing to pay a little extra in this or that to cover the cost of keeping those two first two things in check. So back to Scott's point, kind of probably everybody's point, as long as we can communicate that correctly. And they understand that the expenses, the infrastructure expenses, all those expenses, DPS, all those expenses are required to give you a premier city and to incrementally get us caught up on something that might be getting antiquated. People are willing to do that as long as we can communicate to them. The other aspect of that, and this is what the communication that comes in, really important, is there will be an immediate assumption and an immediate perspective that whatever extra fee we're charging them or whatever increase and tax rate that we're receiving is to pay for all the new stuff that's going in. You want to increase the storm sewer or you want to create the storm sewer fun or fee to pay for some future to some other development that's going down the street that's what's causing the flooding in my house is this neighboring subdivision. So we have to be sure that new development pays for itself and anybody that's been up here for years has hurt me preaches over and over. Existing residents should never have to pay for new development period. And so it goes back to communication. If these kind of fees, and this is why I wanted to see a history of our storm grain expenditures as an example, if these fees are to address existing antiquated storm drain issues, then those existing residents would understand that they need to continue paying for their existing system. If this fee is perceived as covering drainage issues that are caused by development, new development, then that is a debt-on-arrival. That's a huge problem. Yeah, so that's my perspective. But back to your question, first two items, everything falls out for him below that. Very good. Thank you, Council Member Weber. I was very well said. And I completely agree with everything that he said. And it is complicated, but completely agreed. Councilman Mormon? Yeah, so I take a different approach and take on this whole situation. I hear a premier city and I understand what the end result would be, but to then start from the beginning, it all starts with having a plan. And I've heard people mention a plan, but I just got back from a C-MOM convention in Austin and it was over your sewer system. And I heard all these speakers that run these enormous cities from using the hot springs. And I kept hearing the same, you know, speakers say, over and over, you've got to know your system, you've got to know your system, you've got to know your system. So it's an imperative that you start with a plan, but to be able to do that, you have to create the data, and you have to scan your systems. You have to consider implementing GIS, which you said. And they also have that with the sewer and storm. But then to be able to take that information and then know what you need to do and to focus. Because we are all aging and our systems are aging, but we need to know where do you need to apply that money to. In the end result of kind of rebuilding this, you will get a premier city, right? And so instead of saying like premier city and then we work backwards to say, how do you get there, it all starts with a plan. And to be able to get the plan, so maybe the fun is, not like, well, what is the 521 gonna go towards, we need to have those plans where you're not gonna get there until you do the research. So I would recommend hiring engineers or richer to be able to do the studies. And to have the plan, I haven't seen our sewer plan. I haven't seen our water plan. It's hard for me to wrap my head around things and bits and pieces. I need to see the full picture. And once I can see the full picture, then things can start coming in clear for me. But right now, it's just like, you know, you just grasping and, you know, try to pull somehow to thin air and say, well, we're just trying to generate money. We'll just tag $5 here. So if it were me I would label that as like kind of discovery that leads us into a plan right so there's a whole lot of that that I would recommend that needs to be done to get you headed in the right direction very well said thank you councilman Warner councilman Rufo well from your city I think it's an interesting phrase because it can be a lot of things to a lot of people. We have some people in our community who say premier city is going back to the way things were in 2005 where it was even more rural. Some people would say premier city means moving us to be more like South Lake. We have different people on different sides of the aisle with different opinions, but we do know that people move here because they want a rural field. So Council member Weber, I really appreciate what you brought up and saying how that's kind of a basis for the way people want to begin the military. I agree about the plan. Being able to know exactly what's out there. Like the study we did over in Shepherd's Glen with the I&I. It's great and you allowed us to know exactly what was going on and go in there and start fixing things. The plans that have been done to, like, the water system, where we brought on for the lake, and we did a ton of work bring us to a state of the art system with regards to leakage. That's great. I love the work that was done there. The planning to put an infrastructure to bring water down from rock wall. It's unfortunate that things have changed. I mean, now we have to find another place to get the source from. But that's one of those things I'm very proud of that our community has thought ahead on. And you know, the UNI have had conversations, Brian, talking about the wastewater system. So certainly, you know, looking at what we're spending because of some eye and eye, I think, you know, premier city, I think just due diligence means we should go back. And that's a place we need to focus. Over the last five years, we've focused on a number of roads. I know Huggbard is a mess. I drive on it every day. But that's a whole other thing. And we could talk for a while, not all the reasons why Hubbard's been delayed. Which is, it gives me headaches. But we do know that spending went up and up on streets to get those to where they need to be. So I'm proud of that. I guess where I'm getting around to is there are so many good things we can do. What I love to see our media is looking better, absolutely. We can sit here for an hour and talk about all the things we'd like to have. But we do have people in our community who are willing to pay a lot more taxes, and we have people in our community who have been here a long time, and they don't want to pay any more taxes and we have people in our community who have been here a long time and they don't want to pay any more taxes. So we do have both sides of that spectrum. So I love the idea of prioritizing and saying what block are we going to work on right now. You know, we've spent for a number of years blocks of time and money getting our water system to where it needs to be. Of course, the supply side is something we're still working on. But I love the idea of saying, okay, this program is what we're going to focus on right now. And let's pour into it, let's get that done, let's get it to where it needs to be. And then we move to the next block and to communicate to the people. Very well said, thank getting the Councilman Codwell. You're hearing the same from everyone. Everybody is cognizant of the uniqueness of people that are willing to spend more, people that are not willing to spend a dime more. But all will say they like the word premiere, and they have a vision of what premiere looks like. So to echo what he just said, and I think we heard from Councilman Norman and a little bit of these other gentlemen, is that to see a full-scale plan in the private sector, for example, you will see a full-scale gant chart of every project within the organization, at least in my world. And I think that visual aid helps us as residents volunteering to try to represent the constituents of the city is that to see a full scale idea of what all needs to be done, current and future, and understanding it a little bit better does allow us that clarity to better represent them but also allows us as an organization as a whole figure out how best to communicate and educate. So again I don't feel like you guys operate in a silo but I feel like that clarity of having quick access to an overall you know whether it be a 1, 2, 5, 10, 30, 50 year plan you know something for that visual aid would assist all parties so a councilman called will if you will okay Brian, you started this. I did it. So I've been a resident here nine years. I started coming to city council meetings before Kevin was here, before Aaron was here, before you were here. And our chief was the chief, he's now the sheriff. And I will tell you, and then spending time years on planning and zoning, the public doesn't understand what's going on and the council for years, at least at the time I started coming here, didn't understand what was going on. So when Matt African came here and only stayed for short period of time. I think he almost had stroke, literally, regarding how poorly collected our information was, how behind we were in automation, and in what was potentially out there, and not necessarily cost prohibitive. And I think Rich mentioned this in one of our last meetings that the last budget we were here, we were here for, seemed like a month. And we paid, coughed up a lot of money for information systems. And we really haven't gotten complete and that's not an indictment of anybody because I realized there's an awful lot going on and not a lot of plans to do it. Where we are, we lost car, we have Danny now and I'm sure he's got a learning curve because this isn't rock wall. You came in, this isn't the same as Sunnyvale. And so in doing planning and zoning, people would come in and scream at us because I moved here because of that pasture. Well, they'll be $22 million. Would you like to buy that? So your tax bill will be $7 million so we can buy this. They don't understand it, but they want it. So it is educational. And I don't really want to put Tom Bishop there, but he is the teacher extraordinaire and it's education. And he's right. But we also have some things we can't control. Like there are 37 counties that are right now on the list for extreme emergency declaration by the governor because of water. And that is things that the scarcity of water and the water of the weather patterns have caused this. So you went to a class for this last week. I spent a remote class on the public drinking water. And it is so complex with, and I was talking to you, Brian, this morning about the Skada that we want to buy. Three cities in this country have been hacked with Skada, including Mule Shoetexes and held hostage for their water. So we have to factor in some cyber security, and that's more money. Money flows out like crazy, and I think Brent pretty much hammered it. People want to hold on to that semblance of a bucolic community where when you come off the bridge your blood pressure falls 30 points and that you actually have a relationship with your neighbor you don't call a police on them all the time which happens in Dallas and so we need better communication from staff to us. And, you know, we're building a new relationship because there's three people here that weren't here before. And we all come from different venues. And, you know, you do this thing on stormwater. And I remember there was a kind of involved discussion about this with the wreatha last year and then you put a line in here This this is usually added on to a utility custard water bill usually that doesn't mean necessarily So again, I'm not the city attorney and I will put that caveat on everything I do but Kevin I just sent you a thing on the 700 water tickets. How that our prosecutor, Liston, can make that case. Because I've been a prosecutor for. We're going to meet on that too. Some of these people's whole lives. So I want to meet, and I want to help. And the people who have individual businesses and expertise, they can add things. But we don't want, I don't want to micromanage staff, but by the same token, Brian, you come in, it's a whole new world for you. Someone who's in a whole new world for us. And I will tell you, when Joe Chamberlain was running for mayor and touted the senior citizen exemption or where I voted against it, and I was eligible. So Yolk and Ray race taxes is looking to affect me But it does affect me because it affects everybody in this town now. We voted on this park A lot of people why didn't you just stop and fix all those water problems without other water system We know what Chief has been very picky Unally involved in the details of whether we can put out a fire or we can't, whether lives are in danger. And what we're doing is trying to balance because the young families, Mr. Moonman has young kids. They should have a park to go to. So does our mayor. My kids are old, but my grandkids really enjoyed the Christmas tree lighting here. And that should be part of what we do. Balance it within what we can do. And the mayor's absolutely right. Everybody wants everything, and they wanted it at a discount price. So I think it is a very serious balancing test. We're not always going to get it right. But there are people who live here who can't afford any more taxes. I know some of them. One of them does yard work around here, and he's retired. He's 74 years old. We can't put any more on this guy. He's working 12-hour days now. And then there's people here who could write a bill for our entire budget. That's all. I'm done. Very good. Thank you, Councilman Colwell. Very well said. So hopefully that gives you some temperature of all of the bench at this time. We're not going to be able to see it. I'm sure it's not a secret. I'm sure it's only true that you know that you're not going to see it. I'm sure it's only true that you know that you're not going to see it. I'm sure it's only true that you know that you're not going to see it. I'm not sure. I don't know how to explain it. I don't agree with your situation. I feel all this like a couple of days. I was out of the city. I don't know if you're interested in water. I don't know if you're interested in water. I don't know if you're interested in water. I don't know if you're interested in water. I don't know if you're interested in water. I don't know if you're interested in water. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. I think that's the right way to start. and then to the north east of Atlanta where it's an element of medical device, companies, things like that are situated up there and seen this and now trying to get it out and get it out. It's good things. So, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess I'm not going to be so moving. I'm not going to be having any time to do that. I'm not going to be having any time to do that. Oh, lift the head. Yeah, lift the head. Like, like, like, lift up the right square root. Yeah. And they literally come through and we just, like, we try to open and preserve like a full-screen, with what most people are doing, scraping truck. Yeah. And we just drove down the street. And this is where we start. And this is where we start the houses. and then you know, the wheat spray, right? The commercial grass wearer was a grass blower. And it's, and then switch covers, switch covers. This looks like the house was full of the laughter. It was just a rarer. And I remember it was a hilarious thing that seemed just, it looked like this for a two or three a few way, and I sprayed it with all of this inside. Oh, just inside. Yeah, quick, and just pray. Fly forward before this. Yeah. So if you've been so happy with this, you can just pray. Yeah, so you can look in and in and in, and hardly be praying, praying, praying. Yeah. So it was hard. Well, I think that's it. I know. I think it was probably a bit of a question. I think it was a bit of a question. I think it was a bit of a question. I think it was a bit of a question. I think it was a bit of a question. I think it was a bit of a question. I think it was a bit of a question. I think it was a bit of a question. I think it was a bit of a question. I think it was a deals on the table. It sits sort of with their gold header. Wow. Well, I recall Richard Reeves' $1,000 and I got the $1,000, $1,000, so it's guaranteed $3,000. So I don't remember who got your money. I don't remember. Thanks, from. I don't remember. They were sort of germapidated. I don't remember. But it's telling you, fuckhead. Yeah, I was going to superlux there. Yeah, you know. Yeah, I was going to get a fuckhead and then the perimeter, I guess, is there what they call the perimeter. I kind of like what they have written in Dallas. What they call them in Dallas. There's an area of Dallas that is kind of old Dallas money. I just want to hear what they do in the university park. That's kind of what I think. Yeah, but it was nice. The individual issue was like, yeah, sure, that's what we remember. Family, and these were obviously whatever. That was the last three of them. Any other action you still need? The weeks. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. We'll be moving on. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I guess now, they put to the wrong school, not their school. There are hundreds of models and trails that they just use their golf runs, and they take their golf runs like that. And that's kind of the whole vibe down where they live. But taking that some trees, it's just different than the experience, and it treats them what happened to be important. But it's just wonderful. It's just a great, well-known few lakes and everything. Oh, thank you. This is Cole's, he's just like God, and church at the point last week. All right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm just wondering. Go, boy. Yeah, we're going to go, we're going to give you a little bit of a time. I'm going to give you a little bit of time. I don't know. Let me get out. Did you change out? I don't know. I just played a whole world of spaces. I just played a whole world of spaces. I just played a whole world of spaces. I just played a whole world of spaces. I just played a whole world of spaces. I just played a whole world of spaces. I just played a whole world of spaces. I just played a whole world of spaces. I just played a whole world of spaces. I'm sorry. So I really enjoyed watching some of the events and his 11th Doctor did some great great Great, great animals. Like that one, U.S. from here, and then came from a little bit of a big, so that was just incredible. Yeah, just incredible. And then when we go, coming up against like the number one and number two guys in the world, it's just being a dumb extract. It just ruled themselves wet. That was exciting. There is a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the test. Yes. He's breaking amazing. That's not a good time. It's gone. Yes. Let's solve the last thing. Keep getting the topic. Whatever to that gets. Yes. I don't know. What's the last thing you've already read? What's that? Thanks for coming back. Let's solve it. Yeah. What's the last thing you've read? Yeah. to I'm going to say to the next floor. I'm the I'm going to say. Yeah. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to see how he has last. We don't talk about it. I didn't have any slides for it, but we'll look at the sheet. I'll turn your cap on and plan it. Then we can just go over the stone water. I want to get there. There are thousands on the stormwater drainage utility here before we actually went into it. But it's in your capital plan. When it relates to some drainage, we don't have a total of $2 million in projects. But there's $8 million, $8.9 million projects identified. So, can you just push those out to the dick ten years or? I'm going to work it out. I'll try to do it. Danny, are you ready? I'm going to know what a smart ask, right? All right, everyone. I can do it. All right, everybody. Thank you. it. I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. All right, everybody. Thank you. And thanks for your patience on that recess. We will reconvene at 1032. Diet 2J. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now we'll dive into the fire station building fund. We also have an update when cheap gets back. The beginning of fund balance is at roughly 1.5 million. Interest iron for FY25 at 25,000 and we put a $750,000 number in there for this consultant and fees associated with the fire station from the public safety facility as being those are design fees correct Our architecture in the B structural soils test general conditions on the Susent to the swag or is it based on actual so what we believe is that a swag or is it based on actual? Well, well, it's based on what we've done historically with the inflation factor too, which I'm adding up. Yeah. So it gets a little bit of a swag, a swag, it's all it put, it's based on historical costs. And then we add what we think is adequate. And nowadays, sometimes for certain projects, we go up to 21% of the inflation factor. Okay. Thank you. Was that answering your question? Yes. And we believe that's going to land in this 2425 because obviously it's held up well on property at this time. Let me give you a nut. They changed a little bit. Of course, this is part of the certificates of obligation that we did last year for the park and then for the public service bill. But we, this is Wolf, keen to city hall. She owns the property across from our water tower at the Fulton City of Kevin. And she did ask, she is going to provide us a full survey of all the tracks that she owns. And then the chief is proud of us to sit down and we may use some money for an architecture to implement a layout. And then we also, as we get into the water, I apologize we didn't have any presentation when we get through the inner water part. We're also looking at opportunities here. This is wool, she's a sweet lady, sweet dear lady. But she's on and off a lot. Sometimes she's with us, and then the other time she's thinking about something else. But when she came in last time, the cheek was very enthusiastic. Because she came in and announced, the chief was very enthusiastic. Because she came in and out, she didn't like it important. And they spoke about that. And she's interested in unloading some of that, right? Very good. Do we have chief, you see in the other room? He may have, the out there, he may be, he was. He was very tall. OK, I know where he was. All right, Jay, if you would. I'll go ahead and get you some time. And then this is the general equipment replacement fine budget. So the sole revenue source is pretty much transferred from the general fine. We have an equipment replacement schedule that we actually utilized to identify what that transfer needs to be to replace certain vehicles that we have 80,000. That's for one of the two. 3500. Is it a Chevy 3500 truck? That's a four F-O-F. Okay, yeah, that's four F-O-F. Okay. It's a four truck that we have one of two that was requested in the budget. And there's also in the schedule there was a 33,000 allocated to transfer to purchase a new gator. The 11,000 is a carryover from this fiscal year. So the park's department can purchase the trade amount of pressure washer. We have 2,000 for police vehicles. And you have the 50,000 for the tasers that were requested. and the police vehicles. And you have the 50,000 for the tasers that were requested in the DPS station, the Lurse system and the outdoor learning system that was requested for FY25. And also on the schedule we have three police units that are up for replacement. So that's been included with 225,000. That leaves our total expenditures for this fund at 483,000 roughly with a surplus of 7,8,000 and our ender resources, the fund analysis of $787,000. This is our equipment replacement fund. That transfer is the same as the general. There's some of schedule is well. The 140,000 is for the lift stages and generators that's going to carry over. As well as the lightweight trans safety box and the missile service installation, TAP machine. How's it going? Okay. All right. So, we're going to be a bit of a generator last year. I guess we just didn't think we were able to purchase it. Yeah. I think the transition from, I wouldn't, well, Matt requested it, but I'm assuming that he never purchased it before. He lived. Yeah. So Brian was dragging his feet. Yeah. Yeah. So the lift station in which is referenced, currently has an operable generator or does not. So we have mobile generators and they're all out there for them and Council have approved and the big difference is too additional and we haven't got it done but we do have a source that did apply and working on it. OK. So we were putting money into infrastructure. Believe it or not. He meant to say that to you. No, no. He meant to say that to you. I assure you, we've had a great meeting. He meant to say that to you. Salty. Salty. So also to call out for the record this is a these funds this is money that have been put aside for the number of years. So when these things came available we could buy them without getting money. Exactly. Yeah. So we can make sure we were yeah. Responsible. Exactly. I don't talk about the sewer camera. Have you had a lot of money? No. Because the previous cancel, I don't know, you involved one of the last eight or ten minutes that you were supposed to. Or it? No, why? This is probably what you got here. I know the story. And it turned into a big food camera. And it turned into a food camera. You got 8,000 there. We still have camera viewers. I have one. I have a crawler. It's an over-insight model and we are using it. Where'd you find that? It was in the house. Great. The house, the house. The house. The house. And we are utilizing it. I'll be honest with you, I have not found any of that. I don't see that funding in my budget for Zürk cameras, so I don't know if I have not pursued purchasing in New York. Well, the last meeting we did this, it was money to lease one, on a lease to purchase, because we didn't want to buy an art board like happened decade or so ago. Yeah that's that. I was told it lasted 10 days and then y'all were negotiating with the... Yeah, this is my own shame. This is my shame. It's a 90-day demo period and where they didn't purchase anything and it was in the shop like 82 days of that. So we only got to use it like a little over a week of actual use in the demo period and then broke out again and so we just said you know what? We evaluated this in the 90th period for the eight days we had it and we hate it. You can have it back and you can pay it. Well we have obligations for inspections. We do. Whether we got a camera or not. We've been using the computer. The one you found the talk of trick. There's an old inside brain camera in there. And it is, it's got its challenges. It can't be the other one. But. But. But. But. Yeah. Right. It's just a little bit. What they do, we, yeah. But I need to research that it's got zero here, but we did authorize No, that's the capital lease 512 600 See we budgeted 30,000 and I think we only had it. Yeah, we only made that first payment and sent it back Oh, so it's the next line down. Yeah, exactly because it was a lease you don't purchase it So do we get that? Yeah, exactly. Because it was the least we didn't purchase it. So do we get that? Yeah. Do we get that $4,500 back? So we made our first payment. Yeah, we already paid it. Yeah. So you're in support of whatever we can get a refund. Well, this is the machine that we had for 90 days for an eval. It was in the shop 83 days. We made our first payment of 4500 on it. But we this thing right in no value You think you know Just him something so we're getting it back or we're not getting that money. I have to find out we're working Not gonna give it back The money? Oh, the money. I want the money back. We don't want the money back. No, they can put the camera somewhere. Well, I was just trying to clarify. I had to see it. What is that 100 or 100? Yeah, we have a lot of surf cameras. We small push cameras for you come up with a crawler Which is the biggest thing is we do have eight thousand there yet to get some small push cameras back in We do have the crawler we have now and it does function It's just not Fantastic. All right. It sees that a while About how it works on one side. It's not premier. It's not our premier. Oh, I know. It has NASCAR teams. We have to know about how calibrate for its linear feet is off a little bit. So it just, it's just, it's just, it's kind of like me. You know, it's not shaped. It means things. All right. So what is the question? Are we in compliance with what we're crispy inspecting or are we not? We're about green. How far behind are we? Because there's a ban, isn't there? You here. That can be. Oh. OK. There can be. Great question, Councilman. OK. Thank you. OK. OK. Before we move on from that, though, will this budget give you what you need to get us back on track to be in control? So we're already reacting. We have already started back, sort of seen them see mom. And that's what she's referring to. And with the cameras, we think we have to have them. Okay. And they are adequate to do that for that portion of the C1. Okay. Now there's some other things we gotta do with spending money and do it with the sewer rehab and we do that as the budget of life. Mm-hmm. But for an inspection process. But for an inspection process, we do have someone administering that. OK. And early as far as the C-MOM, are we in any past violations that we're trying to remediate? We are not. OK. All right. Moving on. Welcome. Total expenditures and utility equipment replacement fund is $244,000 Have a deficit there and the ending Fund balance for the utility equipment replacement fund is said at $160,000 for FY25 The tree mitigation There hasn't been a lot of activity in this fine. I'm not sure exactly. They've been replacing trees. They've been mitigating. We have a fee in lieu of, but no more than it's capped at 40% of the total with the total mitigation calc prevention out here. But no more than it's kept at 40% of the total with the total mitigation Calc prevention out yet. So maybe that limits it a little bit but the reason why we did that in in Brent and what you're sharing we call could you're on that committee We did that because we wanted mitigation. We wanted to treat we actually value the tree for the we value the money. So as I see it A fee in lieu of what we are actually as a city staff is focused on, the furnished met in the place. Yeah, just for the first few years. So just for the record, we have not shifted our focus into just give us some money and you don't have to worry about the trees. In fact, this point blank shows that we're very heavy on replace the trees. The real stuff. Very good. So moving on. Quick questions. Two quick questions actually. So on the last one, the equipment replacement, we went in the deficit $28,300. Is here, how are we, this is an account, right? So we're actually overdrawing this. So how is there, I just can see how. Yeah, that's a pulling from the fund balance. Yeah, the fund balance, you start with $191,000. And then you take that $20,000, $28,000, $300,000, and it leaves 163 at the bottom there. These funds are earmarked for two things, right? Yeah. at the bottom. These funds are earmarked for different things, right? So this earmarking has been overdrawn, basically. What you're referencing is a revenue versus expensive, expensive deficit, not an actual account deficit? Yeah. And that's what the requests that came in FY25 those needs. So we were meeting those needs and they'll make up for it. I got you. In the housing progress. Perfect. And then tree mitigation. I know we have a list of what can be planted from the from to mitigate trees. I'm curious if been a while since I've looked at that list, is it only a significantly vertical tree or is it also lower line stuff like we could use for our to beautify our median? They have an option in the understory tree, which are the spawner trees that look better at the breadth of scale, and then also all the species of oaks which will grow over time to be very dramatic, very beautiful. Now all of those, you know, we've revised that list back in March or we're spending time to mirror the COG smart state program. So all the new trees, and particularly these species of oak, those are drought reasons. They are native drought reasons. They don't require a lot of water. And we say that and I get a little frustrated when I watch social media, which I shouldn't. When my trees are dying because of the water, I'm saying, no, the rings they got, they have harvested that water. It's in their root system. It's in their trunk system. They're in the root system, believe it or not, on some of these Oaks. They only go down about 8 to 10 inches. They think they go down to 20 feet of it and they can't do that. So the tree is dying now. That's because of disease. But those trees that we require now, all of you are out of the resistant, and need a normal proud of that. I over answered your question. I apologize for this. Right, so the answer was it's not going to include species that could be used to your required opinions if we wanted to go down. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Okay. And then we have the governmental component units that should have economic development cooperation. We actually went over their budget with them. We meet with them again. OK, on the 20th, the Heath Economic Development Corporation has a pretty healthy fund balance at 4 million projected sales tax revenue is 735,000 roughly with interest at65,000, roughly, of revenue generated. Total of those, total of the fund balance and the revenues are at 4.9 million. Now we've had, and I know some of the councils had discussions with Justin about bringing in what the, what's being termed as an economic development director. And I spoke to him on Tuesday. He still wants to pursue that, but it would not be a full-time employee. It would be someone on a 12-month contract. And it would probably be pricey, but if they choose the unit, then we'll have to do it probably, then we say black unit, but we just want to win any of that. Yeah, Nick, I guess that's some of the stuff that will come forward to us is showing if we were to bring a director on what is that their net net what is the Want to make sure there's a gain to that Rainspoint here And is there a Maybe Yeah, that would mean. That would mean. And is there a maybe a Scott? Is there a search service that finds those type of people at the post and we're going to use a search service for a city manager? But I'm not aware of that. No, this would be a consultant. And we did a full time employee probably use a search service service to do a day now. So part time really good to consult. Yeah, it's just too late. We'll do the same thing. So it may do in order. All right. So total expenditures and Total expenditures in the heat economic development corporation is 435,000 and they'll have a surplus that's been pretty conservative and maintaining a healthy fund balance and at year-end we expect to see them at 4.5 million in fund balance. The last one is the Heathman School Development Corporation. Hang on for just a second. The 4.5 million, that does not reflect in comertes for the park and for the other things that they helped us find, correct? That is the total budget. Those were passed. So they're not included in that. This is separate. Yeah. That's transfer. Or say it's transfer to cap on improvements. It's transfer to cap on improvements. Gotcha. Which is 25% of the prior years actual sales tax. That was something that you can see in the scene for. For your part. You're still, also for that one, she is. OK, so I'm still bear with me. I have adult problems this morning. I am one. So for the park here, I think they encumbered $mer two million right? Oh Okay, sorry, I'm sorry So question so Jay I think it's question to you was so it's this transfer to capital improvements fund which In this room we all know what that means, but we also know that this budget goes out for public consumption Is it are we limited what I can say? I mean could I realize this long but could it say something in parentheses like Park bill. Oh, we just put parks the IP. Yeah, or parks the IP something like that would be great Just so when someone looks at it. Yeah, it doesn't give off a wrong message. Yeah. You know, we also forget sometimes. Yeah. There's lots of things that come through. Yeah. Okay. We'll make that change. Thanks. Thanks. Okay. And then we have the Heathman-Nose製ful Development Corporation. Uh. They're beginning from balance for F525. Is at 1.2 9 million revenues are sitting at 805,000 total resources at 2.1 million and their total exposures are at 936,000 that will leave them at a deficit, which will bring their ending fund balance at 1.16 million. Can you go back on slide please? Yeah, I was just looking for the revenue slide. Yeah. Okay, thank you. So the line Adam 407 with COVID relief could probably be taken out because that's all been then. Okay, now we're going to get into capitol improvement initiatives. Excuse me. We'll be waiting for the Chief to go back. Oh, yeah. The final station. I gave them a curse review with your discussion, this is Wolf. You won't go in and elaborate what she's asking you to do. I think since it's a business item under review, we probably should just move on. Okay. Okay. Okay, and we're going to start on the 10 year capital plan review. In your bonders, you should have a 10 year capital plan for General CIP, one for Utility, and one for Stonewater. And I'm, I guess we can start with General CIP. So this outlines the 10 year capital plan for the projects listed in the funding sources. You see an FY24? Was everybody able to find it? So it should be of the sheet, you'll have the FY24 projects that were approved in those budget, those budget, those project budgets. And what I did here is, now that I was building this, I wanted to start off with a baseline. We had discussions on actually putting this on the website, but what I'm attempting to do here is to provide this information to you all, get your feedback. There's something you want to add or change. Please do so. And the CIP committee is my chug, myself, Brian, Kevin, we all collabed on this. From time to time, we may have brought in other departments who's honestly even sat in with us and and chief and Aaron and Danny's also sat in What we're doing is attempting to have a baseline for all our capital projects for the next 10 years and just maintain that from year to year And projects don't don't hit their benchmarks as we're talking about earlier about the grand charts and just keeping up with those projects and having them available on the website. We just want to make sure that you know we have a plan that everybody can see and know that hey we're just not taking your dollars and not you know trying to build a better community for the Heath residents. This is very analogous in what I've seen in another bigger larger city. Fort Worth does this, we have very good news. It's good, I think Jay's done a great job and so has Brian and the Aggie guy there. But we need a barometer that would prefer to be the baseline to make sure we are on track. Or we're all trying. It'll also be great. I love this. And it would be great to say, as a community, what's Brian's, your point, I think this really goes to, what is most important to us? Sustainability, public health and safety, redundancy, and our systems. We can come up with what are those things that are most important from a priority's perspective. And then each one of these projects gets tied to those. So when someone says, why are we investing $5.7 million in a public work facility? It's for these reasons. And these are prioritized categories for our city. So I love that from a transparency perspective, showing that we're bringing it back down to what the time, everything to what this community cares about. And it's interchangeable in that it's amendable. So based on changing needs, based on what I call redevelopment needs, and I think the thing of your next year's budget probably should be redeveloped. This allows that to make those changes. You can make them anytime. Okay. Okay. This up here on the screen, these are all the projects that we are... that we're undertaking in FY25. Just to get that out there. And it doesn't show on this sheet, but whenever I was going through this, I would make sure that we had at least a $2 million fund balance in the General CIP to cover any emergency needs. So we're not having a pool from the fund balance. So I took account that into account whenever I was building this. What it doesn't show it on here. So these are not on this list, correct? Yes, these are, those are not on this list, correct? Yes, these are. So where is Terry Center Park to, I'm sorry, Townsend Park to Terry Park Trail? It is... Oh, it's in nobility-stretch. I see I was looking for it in part projects So Jay's the future plug out there on general debt bond issuance Just a plug for future. Yes need for a future bond. Mm-hmm. And that's that's I was in anticipation of the of the public safety facility. I had some preliminary discussions with Jim Subbonus on issuing that debt, but just the discussions with him, he's trying to get us to do it earlier rather than later. But we're still, I would like for you all to visit this before moving forward anything. Sure. And that would go on. Thank you. So just by way of what you said about Reserv, when the pump art, when we had the people come in and spend whatever a week there, and we had to rent the crane and pull. That was contingency money that we had. And ballpark that for me, Kevin. Do you remember how much we spent? Oh, that was a bit bad math. What typically was the crane on managers? That a 12-k? If we pull a clump in and put here, look at 224,000. And then we, they refurbished the part that was taken out and that was a lot of dough that we hadn't planned on. Correct. But we didn't have to borrow money. We had- Well, that's why the contingencies are here. Perfect. And I do want to note in FY25, if you look at the transfers from the general plan, it's at $154,000, but in order to meet the funding outlined in this capital project plan, you'll see the following year it goes up significantly from that one fifty four to seven twenty five thousand. So definitely want to keep that in mind whenever we're working on the FY26 budget. And that's primarily due to what? Oh, the transfer? Yeah. Just a just to keep in that $2 million contingency. For reserve. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And if you want to eat away at that, you just, you know, take it out, but it'll drop, you know, below that threshold. And informationally for the new members of council, if you look at T01, that's Open Go that we've been talking about wanting to have implemented for make our record systems better and you realize how much money we spend on that. And we're still not optimalized, right? Open Go is still... How is it that we have launched or so early in the month? Right, and it's gonna probably take a year, isn't it, to get to where? Right now, yeah, I mean it was a two year problem when it was introduced to you by partner is a two year project and then just like our GIS that's a five year project But the the difference is phenomenal in accessing information that is otherwise been posted nuts correct once it gets down our citizens We're gonna thank us for you know to begin into the 21st and that will be infrastructure right grant the three of us are familiar with open gov and understand the ERP system so it just seems like a phenomenal huge amount of money but I get it. It is. To pick us up out of the dark ages, it's a nominal amount, but agreed. Very. And it probably could have been done many years ago. So understand why we would pat ourselves on the back, but we are way behind. Yeah. Not going to argue with you. You're right. OK. Understand why we would pat ourself on the back, but we are way behind I'm gonna argue with you. You're right Okay, any questions on on the 10-year capital plan any suggestions a question Mobile streets just the citywide street improvement program Which streets is that is there a lot of Buffalo Creek that's Driving the cost of streets or what is it which streets in particular are we are kind of driving the street program? So for the record since you don't have a microphone 42% of that line item is Buffalo Creek streets. Well, as you're having a lot of emergency, we had two actual low collapse last year. Okay, one issue. God is referring today. It collect Wednesday. Colbert brought in a modern of the highest interrelated, trying to get it fixed so we don't know for many more schools. Gotcha. Yeah, sorry I didn't see the backup further down. So I appreciate that. Great. Mike, quick question. You know, since so much of the budget is allocated to one neighborhood. It happens to be my neighborhood. Do we have a sense for what could be done to keep our future budgets from having to be so heavily allocated towards that one neighborhood? We just tried to get the whole thing to be better, keeping the brain out of them, and call the brain much for the whole of the beard. Yeah. So some time, I don't have an answer with that. With the age of the destruction in the streets, and the weather was pretty good, we found a lot of the branch concrete, the wood birthing, and the weather was pretty good. We found a lot of great concrete with Woodenburg's deck and everything. Other areas of 70 H, which was good. Now, Mr. Gormar is determined that we all in the small cities are small. There's some great, you know listening. Yeah. He's an angry relative. Go to the New York Lord for a future. I don't really have any good action. No, no, that's all right, Mike. I think that a little bit. Yeah, sure, Mike. I'll put it in the budget. So we're just going to do a digital PCI, or a basic condition index. Thank you. I hate those acronyms. I hate these condition index digital. And it'll be graphic to me when we look at it. And we're going to see what we can do. or be in condition index, sorry. Thank you, I hate those acronyms. I hate being in condition index, digital. And it'll be graphic if you look at it, and we'll show up streets in red and green. And you can make a really important decision. And you can see which neighborhoods it got the most red, which neighborhoods it got the most green. And we'll be seeking capital feedback on self-employing, how hard the only attack is is and what level of street are we looking for. You know, if you did it on a pass go rate, you know, 0 to 100 and these are maybe both 70 and 1 to half action and we'll bring you back to cost for that. So that's like ground penetrating radar that can tell you the depth of the concrete infrastructure. Now what it so what it is is is there's several firms that are doing it nowadays, but I really like it. Traditionally back in the day, the public works for this drive around, it's a list of road looks like a six or whatever. It has long figure for cracking and some bottles here and there. Well now you drive every street and you video them, and AI will compile that for you in March from a SQL GIS map, where the problems are and what the problem is. And then from now we can make a valuable assessment about, okay, we want to replace it so well, we'll be targeting repairs or things that you far wrong. What do you want to do? And how much money are we going to have to do that? And just to clarify, Sharon, these are surface observations not subsurface. They're not going to get into what your subrate might be. But if there is real subsidence, you see a launch through crack goes with multiple panels on one shoulder. That is a separate value. We wouldn't know that. We would have put in scope. There would have been some sort of work done before we put that. And like the core, I mean, it was done in my street. That Mike brought the people in the drill. You can, yeah. I'm going to order you from just a mandate that we're going to go ahead and go into an age that sub, you know, sub-race develsation on eyebrows and need to pay for the court and do it anyways. So, the bond for a street, under state laws only for two years, and my concern, previous to being here, being on planning and zoning, was not enough leases to be able to be there to know, like my concern, previous to being here, being on the planning and zoning, was not enough leases to be able to be there to know, like my street, Michael attested this, wasn't properly compacted. The cold work underneath the road is too close to the road, so a heavy load has caused the cold to break apart, and then water is indicted at it. And that was my phone calls, was that ground movement had allowed water to get between the stoop storm sewer and the road and washed it out and that's why it's so unstable and Mike has been out there repeatedly the movement's been significant and it's on the list here. So could you use this? Because to me we are not heavily enough invested in inspectors that the process is going along. And you know as well as I get a slide of hand, look the other way. Don't look over here. And then we get something that is substandard. And then we have to drop millions of dollars to fix it. Because I think my street's a million, too. Yes, sir. Yes. So that's the front end. The front end is developing good standards and then personnel and personnel which is which are by the bed for the drainage specialist of you know staff in the regulation. What are the enemy for those about it? So and unfortunately, again, back to the original conversation. We've got a future state issue, but we also don't have a heavy development side of the house. This is a lot of past failure points. So to have an expert on staff, it does allow us on the development side. But again, I think our ordinances are keeping a lot of new development at bay in general just by current economics. But you need the person on staff to actually evaluate past failures, right? Yeah. And you got to have good standards. And you got to have somebody to make sure that's what's perfect is, you know, contractors. Some young. Well, it's an enormous amount of life. All right. Very good. Moving on. OK. Any more questions about the general? See ya, P. Not in general. I mean, I do appreciate you guys putting a focus on the fire flow. Obviously, 11 neighborhoods appreciate that part to this exercise. It had not been planned out at all. And so to see you guys plan it out over a five-year time period is very appreciated by the residents of the community. Are there any other questions on this CIP planning? Obviously, we're going to be getting into the water side of this, I guess, next. So I do have some questions as I pertain to that as far as these timelines. So I'll hold my questions for this secondary presentation. Are there any other questions that you guys see in this general capital projects breakdown? What are the highlighted items that lay the way dry, bolter hit last page? If you have to live with, there's a, should have a paper. A small one that has all the drainage projects on it that we handed out. And this one is that they're not, we don't have enough funding to, you know, cover those projects or highlight the those because those are the most expensive projects. So it wouldn't be covered. If we just used transfers to cover drainage projects, it wouldn't be enough funding to cover all the projects. We would have to try to catch it on the next extended capital plan. 8 million. Yeah. And for those of you that were on the tour of the Lakeway Drive, it is the strip that we went to and stopped and saw the residents holding that was basically flooded out with mud during that last rain. Breath. That's the first street as you enter into the city on the west side. Where? This is Richard. No wire was there last week with a consult with looking in the road. And one of the residences where they put forth underneath. That was the one where the drainage was from the top. Yep, yep, and then it worked its way down under the road and that created that gap right? Gotcha. Is that the 125 for 25 26? Okay, so there's two options. Okay, partially is it that's probably one. I have a poll here. Under the pipeline to build a place to work in that place. You know, I'm happy about it. Company does that, actually, actually earlier this year. And that's a quote from David. And, the dear other thing underneath the road is not so cold or water. So, what do you think is one of the most effective and high-ranked officers under the same law as my estimate of whether it costs to get out of the building? And that's why that push to 2033. I'm sorry, Jay. Jay is that as he's referencing these two alternatives or for these line items, the one is 125 and 2526. The other alternative is 220, but it pushed out to push down to 233. 233? Yes. I thought that was a placeholder. Two A and two B. On the stone. On the water and drainage. Yeah. Is that M B? The... The telephone call over the river. So, I heard that. So, here's a little bit of a guy, you've got an over-added mechanism for the check, you're all water in the deep of areas. So, thinking as we can, you do polyurethane injection, try to see what, and to keep the water free and under it, that should solve the issue of what's in the downstoring. And then, so we're already starting with probably a hard-earned pavement through your study line. So eventually, we'll need to get actually fixed because this is not a good way to go. But I think the reason it's in here is a drainage project. The drainage is just what's raised the issue at this point. So my recommendation would be to go with the call you're planning. It's got to your warranties, so we do it. And we still have some issues that can come back to the jackpot. I'm familiar. Yeah. I'm not that bad. Is there another sort of redoing it way to divert the water? I'm sorry. All right. So this is a stop gap. I get that. So is there a way to somehow divert the water that's done this before it gets to this polymer area? No. No, the issue is a few accurate looking at the dead. I've been out there. If you go against a dead, you'll see the purges of bullback. Yes. Every time it rains in New York and they aren't, it's every time it rains, so it goes off the yard. It's the back of her under the roof. Gotcha. And if you're getting from 740, you get just as the hill goes over, you drive way to the left, and you go ahead through the whole wet that you're under the driver. You can power one through the drive line. So there's a channel going down that road line too. And to that point, Jay, on that line item, the Lake Way Drive alternate 2, which is in the stormwater drainage, fun breakout. You've got it in 2033 as 220,000, but obviously you probably are looking at the 2.2 million. Oh, yes, that's just for design. Oh, yeah, just for design. So essentially that's that's falling into that year, but the two million. Yeah. and they're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. They're going to be in. that's going to keep the water from just now going then under that polyurethane and channeling out below that number? What they do is they throw out those, they run, free-fit spice in your putter room, across the pipe, and in J, and lay in J until it's in the pump of the command line back. So they will seal off that area under water, these in right now. And the end is they've come across every single noise. And in place like the one drive way, the big way is to actually drop them at that bar. They'll put enough in their places to be flooded. So they will seal the points for none. And all cracks, you said, they will. Yep. We'll get sealed for none of the action. Yep. We'll see all the points. Got it. Second question. More environmentally. There's leaching associated with polyurethane and other derivatives. Is there any concern about any leaching that could take place? I don't know. My idea. This is insolent. I mean, this is the phone that is in fact along the foundation of the virus now being transitioned into this phone. Okay. All right. Thank you. This is very, it's way more common now than it was. I used it a lot. I remember when I was there, there are about 20 years in the right. How long do you think it will last? So Richard, have you seen this used successfully? Yes. I've seen it used in a lot of different ways. So I question how long it'll last? It says two-year warranty. Obviously more than two years. Why did I do it here? So why would I find it the way to get it right? Because it's a big advantage. So the block of polyurethane will last forever. It's never deteriorates. But the road repair or the damage repair, that's your question. Hello, that last. It knows if the water finds another path and then runs along next to this polyhurethane block and the problem just moves. So, but again, if it gets sealed, if all ingress sources get sealed from underneath as you propose, then hopefully the water goes, where's the water supposed to go over the curve? Into the curve. Over the curve, downstream. Right. So. And two to richer. And to answer the question further is is that don't we're not talking about taking the out while we're looking for a quick fix so we don't have a bigger problem. And then obviously making this a road repair later down the road Understood Moving on more questions are so is this road repaired in this 10-year plan under road repairs or I don't think it is as it sits. I think he's waiting on the directive on the alternative. I just listed it. It's a piece of advice in the moment that we would have just written it after it takes it up. That is like the word. There's no option. No, I think to the point, I think we want to see the we want to see plan A and then obviously plan appropriately for the road. We're here. So you got to that. Can we talk about that in three of the office sessions before the story. I mean, you know, the out. That's what you know. And if we can get that in digital form, I think as we look at our communication strategy Suzanne and we look at timeline on GIS going online, that digitally needs to showcase two of Councilman Rufo's point earlier that can be your talking point to from visual aid standpoint so people understand that we have identified the problems Or the problem areas and then that correlates with the actual plan a couple of these projects have actually been generated from the Chinese Presumption project program that we have a couple of times where somebody a Chinese prescription project program that we have with a couple of times where somebody was like, hey, I've got an issue with this current age and good to look at it. And then actually I've got one on here in winter here next to the high school. It's got eight different houses driving in that part of it. And I've got one person wanting to spend money. So we're going to fight 15. He's going to fight 300. He's not going to happen. But it's a bigger wider, more pervasive brain than Jesus. You're referencing behind Winnebarr? Yes. Winnebarr is going to ask you to do that. We would like to help out more in these situations. So that's why I put it on here. It's not feasible for me. Try to give. I say your neighbors will help. No, but. So that's why that we have a lot of the list. Could we go on? Okay. Any more questions about capital? Okay. I guess this is a storm on next portion of the... Okay. So are we at this point in time? We're going to talk about water, existing situation, a future situation. We're going to talk about water existing situation a future situation We're going to talk about a long range plan and then also an interim what we call a bridge plan To go through this discussion, and I think we've got a PowerPoint slide Do we have a PowerPoint have the power points. The decision. I'll put it up. I'll put it up. I'll put it up. I'll put it up. Okay. It might be a share point, but this discussion will be led by a gentleman named Ryan Frey, did there be another gentleman here named Richard Dormire, is going to provide some technical information. I'm going to provide some technical information. I'm going to interrupt him. Yeah. Just to let me just, this is going to be a very passionate issue. And we're going to talk about one issue that is going to be a sticky subject, but I think we need a debate. It's going to be tough. But I have faith in you guys and I hope you have faith in us. So we'll get to this. I have faith in you guys and I hope you have faith in us. Indulgeous please. We need to set up. We take a minute or so. Okay, we're going to take a five minute recess as they're setting up digital at 1128. All right, we will reconvene from recess at 11.32. One item that we need to consider, we do have some time constraints with some council members. So what we're going to do is, let's run with this as quickly as we can. However, let's also consider a second meeting to revisit this, if you will, whether we have a special session or's the next budget review meeting? We'll have to set another one. It's good. We'll have to do it for I guess the first public hearing, which is gonna be one September. We got the time. We'll get it. It's probably gonna be, it may be next week sometime. Yeah. Now, the proposed budget will be posted on the website is I guess I want to get everybody's feedback on the tax rate so far. Let's do that real quick and then we'll run into the water. So if we could we'll start with Councilman Caldwell on a and we've got to be very concise on time. So let's give feedback on the on the tax rate in which is being proposed today so we can just at least give some temperature gauge. Councilman Caldwell. He didn't give us the one he said got cut off that he would supply us which would be the equivalent he just did the the equivalent would actually wipe out the 5%, so you'll be left with roughly 35%. If we use the equivalent tax rate. But if you go with the photo approval rate, you'll have that buffer. Now if the attorney fees go over, then we're dropping below that 35% fund balance in FY25. But it's all on how you all want to handle that. Going into FY25. Because I know we've used fund balance for certain things in a pass. And for clarification, in fact the mayor just asked me a question. That voter approval rate, that basically is the ceiling. If we go above that then we have to have an election, which we don't want to do. But that's the very top report state takes it. I have an election seat. So I'll jump in like quicker people. Okay, but we've been pretty consistent over five-ish years of maintaining the equivalent tax rate. What we saw today took us to the, like Kevin pointed out, the ceiling, which is the, you know, no voter approval or the limit of the voter approval rate. I would recommend we go somewhere in between. We don't take such an aggressive jump. How come? Deporting for right-history. Now, I appreciate the extra 5% of the fund balance that that voter approval rate gives us, or no voter approval rate gives us or no voter approval rate gives us. But I think it should be an incremental improvement. That would be my recommendation. Thank you, Councilman Weaver. Councilman Covell. I'm sorry to go that. I like the privacy. I don't like, I don't think we're at a place where we need to raise the taxi. Would I like to fix everything overnight? Yeah. Why don't we see today that it fixes things overnight by any stretch? No, but I'm saying even if you could raising the taxes to be able to do that that would make it sustainable for our population is not. It's like I said, we got a balance going forward and realizing these people that can't afford. So you'd like to tap people to make huge donations. I'm going to go toward the equivalent. Thank you, Councilman Caldwell. Councilman Rufo. Yeah, the voter approval rate, I don't like the idea of going up as far as we can right before we get to the new dancing on that line of being able to go to election. I think that's going, I don't like that that much of a jump. Like Councilman, we've ever said, I do know there are things we need to fix. I want to, I do want to begin fixing those things and we've had fixed things over time and when I continue with that route, I do like what Mr. Creed was bringing up about prioritization. I would love for us to prioritize and choose a few specific areas that we want to target. And then we can find a place in the middle to allow us to get incremental steps towards the goal. Thank you. Councilman Rufo. Councilman Cross. I concur. I want to vote a rate. Okay. The suits on the right-wing. Yes. Good. Okay. So the Councilman Cross, Councilman Weaver, Councilman Caldwell, and Councilman Rufo have all stated that they want to stay at the rate in which we've done in the past at the equivalency tax rate. Councilman Dodson, home. No. We said the midpoint. We said the midpoint. Oh, I mean, I appreciate that. So let me clarify. What you said is the midpoint is the property is the tax and then the equivalent. Where the perfect road we have to be called more, you need more of the business. Yeah, between the, yes, so some reasonable new midpoint so between what would actually meet that is the flat rate so we just stay flat that would be the between It's that is that fine and that's on oh, that's cool. Correct. It's on the flat Well, I think we need to I don't want to just say this is the never gonna be at let's back into it I would say let's talk about the things that we're going to attack first and Let's and let's go into the right. I'm a big fan of let's decide what you need to be done And and the plan for when we're going to do these Brian to your point about what's prioritized? What's the level of search we're looking to get to and then back into the rate that way, so we make sure it's a defensive and budget based upon the actual needs of the community and not just saying we can do this, so we can do this and then what can we do under that? Kind of looking at the other kind of bottom up. You know, Paul, if we don't do it that way, you're right. We end up underfunding that the critical needs and the critical projects that we'd like to move forward. And then that just pisses people off. Because you're not able to actually achieve those things. Sure. And you can't just to try what you did, Scott. Yeah. Yeah. And if we start attacking all the things, because there's so many things we can go at, and if we start doing that, we're going to, to your point, Scott, we're going to cheat the most important things of shinier places maybe should not put. I mean, what it feels like, at least for my perspective, is that it's probably going to take more than a middle, a middle growth, but it's probably not going to be that top end that was proposed. But we're splitting here at that point. But the bottom's up approach from a project perspective. Let you know what that rate needs to be. Okay. So I believe that's kind of what you've done. Right. So as you've presented today, guys, that's what I've been looking at. So I'm not. I understand and appreciate what you are saying, but this is what we've been knowing through. Not necessarily. We've got a general capital projects breakdown for 10 years sitting in front of you with ledger breakdowns. We're looking across a whole budget and looking at all the different places that needs are. What are the highest priorities across that? I think as you see in here it's a 10 year plan, it's not a one year plan. So that's the capital side. Understood, right? So in general, that's effectively what I feel like I've seen today, but I understand the points that they make. Really, truly what's going on today is I just need a number to put in. So whenever we post it on the website, we can all agree upon. I'm not necessarily saying that's going to be the final. Yeah, the final. But the flat rate is in between, it's 4.5.8 million. The equivalent is 5.6. The voter is 6.2. So the 5.8 is the middle round if we just go for that. So the difference is it's. For perspective between the, so using the average amount, how's the value, assessment, assessment value amount that J.E. used early in the presentation of 750,000, which this white and model is taking off. There's over a approval rate with the 220 tax bill and the equivalent rate would be 206. So it's a $14 different. And I appreciate you saying that. That's where I was about to go is that when we say they can't handle it, residents, you know, that's not what they want to see. I mean, to that point, it's not necessarily a, probably a true depiction of what the residents want to see. They want to see us tackle with a healthy fund balance to be able to accomplish the many things that we all know need to be done. And again, we haven't even gotten into the water plan specifically. And I'll tell you that before I'm even presented with this just by the tonality of what I've seen, I don't think it's fast enough. So the fact that we're going to get stuck on voter approval rate versus a flat rate and a minimum amount of variable for that delta by resident. And we haven't even really addressed the biggest concern in our city. That people want to see done in the next 12 to 24 months. They want to see a bridge. So I want to make sure that the tone is set, guys. That I understand what we're trying to accomplish and I understand where everybody's coming from. So I want to continue the exercise with hearing what Councilman Dodson and the Councilman Mormons say about the rain. But let's get focused on what we've seen. We've not been presented a water plan that is a bridge in which every resident is hot and bothered right now and they expect us to fix the problem. And that's everybody. Not me, not the old council, the new council, that staff, that's everybody not me not the old council the new council that's staff that's everybody so you know let's let's be careful that we're not hyper focused on trying to save $20 per resident or $40 per resident or even $100 per resident so let me continue Councilman Dodson, go ahead as it pertains to the original question. I thought I addressed it, but let me clarify it maybe again. First question, Jay. Will what is being discussed with a middle point or even closer to what's being proposed, allow us to achieve the things that you put forward in the budget. Well, we wouldn't have a balanced budget. The only thing is you would be eating away a firm balance. But that's typically what's been done in the money. But the top end that you proposed has a 5% variance, right? Yeah, 5% above a 35%. Sure. So if we came down into the second Yeah, right? Yeah. 5% above 35%. Sure. So if we came down, exactly where I was going. Right. Alright. So, so, so if we came down and we didn't exercise that 5% positive variance, would that enable us to do the things that are being proposed in this project? Yeah. You'll just be in a way at your fun agreement. Right. So then it then it becomes guys a matter of executionhmm are these really the numbers and can we execute against this plan based on the projects the pulse point that are being proposed And can we make this happen in the time frame of what we're talking about here, which is next year's budget? Right. Yeah. Yeah So what you described was exactly where I was going Which is hold on we've got we've got nubs to turn. One of those nubs is to last. The only thing is that the third bound, the thing that you have going on is the litigation. That's the only thing I'm concerned about. And if that gets out of whack and you don't have that buffer, you're in a way that you're fine. Absolutely. And you've got to take it from a roadway budget, which is what we did last year, or whatever. Or whatever. Okay. Come on, hey guys, real quick. So for two years, we have completely zeroed out the road budget for balancing our budget. Okay? So at the end of the day, as we continue to talk about the equivalency tax rate, et cetera, et cetera, we have a million dollars that will be spending in litigation. We can sit here in this exercise and look at numbers of $400,000 for litigation, but we are not teed up with that being the actual true projection of what we will spend. So let's keep it all into perspective as what staff is requested. So let's move into Councilman Mormons' point to answer this question, and then we'll move on. We'll get into the water. But I think you're seeing the temperature in general of the concern. Okay? Councilman Mormons? Yeah, I mean, listening to chief and everything we heard today and knowing that we had Matt Hullsapple in here saying that we were five years behind on a lot of our infrastructure. And, you know, it takes money to do that. You know, it's unfortunate being so far behind, you know, I would have to be for the voter approval rate. But if you don't raise it, you're never gonna get caught up. I mean, you just can, you're gonna continue to be stuck. You're gonna be continued chasing your tail, you know, just being overwhelmed and inundated with, just trying to hold what you got. And it just puts you further and further behind. But it's gotta be raised. And I would be for the voter approval rate, but I've got to give you if you want to take a small step then I'll be for that too. Very good. Thank you. I appreciate everybody's comments on that. It's very much appreciated. Everybody's going to have a lively different opinion or a very similar opinion as we've seen most of the morning that we've agreed on most items, this item obviously we do not. So with that being said, let's get into the comprehensive water blend. Now, I took my little, again, time to say. For now, my statue, I have to post this on the website. Are y'all comfortable with me doing the flat rate? Because it'll probably, if you, you know, everyone can get it. Again, it could probably go down. I understand that you're under a time constraint to do that. I think we need to go through the water plans so this discussion can continue to. Throw it out. Okay. All right. All right. Well, Mr. Creed. Yes. Can you take this higher? You know. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, what a good job. That's a good idea. It's always been a great idea. You just have to wait right here. I can't have this block of center. Mr. Creed, you have the come. OK. Okay. I don't know what this is. You know, this is our draft water plan to try to get something going a little quicker in the dry-dress or water shortages. And we're real quick over-induced. So part of the Chapter 2 9 rules of the TCQ said that for a lot of health protection, we've got the water for domestic use and product Texans in the province of Good and Sea. Our services. We have customer service with everyone that says this is what we're going to do. Ironically it doesn't say anything about we need a variety of irrigation but we know that's what we need for here. We cannot hold water for domestic use and product Texans problems because we've been these areas which is our CCN., at the 2012, we've got a code, the only cool sink in use is Perch, 50 or more for you. So water for irrigation, I could say it is not considered to live safety protection. So from a legal standpoint, that's why you approach your water system. You know, the irrigation is second area. The primary use is domestic. And that's where your life health and safety, which is what all the code is about. All right, to address the statement, eight for Heath and Rod Water, this is what men discuss with a lot of common land, state restrictions, water sources, water bills, and budget considerations. And then we have action plan that is a short term or grid plan to get us down the road to where we actually have some contractual formal water capacities in place and we know what we're going to do long term. This is a timeline of how we got here. You can take a picture of it. Can you make the French small? Yeah, it absolutely. You can scan it and send it. Can you make the print small? Yeah, I'm sorry. You can scan it and send it to you. Thank you. I won't go through all of that, but you can see back in the early 2000s, there were discussions about his capacity and where we are and where we need to be. And how we got to where we are now with the happenance being on that course are going to be where Rockwall told us we probably need to look for something else and our contact expired. And then the difficulties between the regions with the, you know, litigation kind of slowing that process of being able to do regional partner things with the entities we're not getting. It goes all the way down to our scan interruption and public placement in the last 24 hour. I'll answer the questions I don't worry about that. Okay. To manage the local order system, the city engaged in the water conservation plan, which are updating right now. And right now we have a stage one year round conservation, you know, where we're always two days a week. Stage two gets triggered when we go over 90%. It's actually written as a percentage in our plan, which is where the 5.4 comes from, it's 90% of second-year. It's 5.4 comes from is 90% of the second million is it's 5.4 and in two days and a certain day period that happens I typically send the email to our city manager and I say for ordinance we met the triggers for this stage at city manager discretion you know criteria been met to boot states to say three is 95% to 5.7. We actually rarely just go over stage 2 and not stage 3. We tend to just go all the way and we'll do it in halfway over achievers. And we've known a 5.9 a lot of days. So our 6. And the bull notice is triggered when the system loses pressure around 20 psi in the emergency situation. I don't know that irrigating is even an emergency situation. So if we were to over irrigate my interpretation of the law says we drop a low 35 psi, we should have more work. You know, I don't think the public understands that. Right. And it is probably not an emergency to one of your treats. I mean, that's not what they see. Yeah. You know, and I'm not trying to mean, I mean, I have treated it. So, the water sources that are being identified with that were in North Texas, Missile Water, depending on it, that would require information about North Texas, or any of the North Texas member cities, or customers, or we do have a customer of a member city. So that was a little more complex, which is what we are, we're a customer of a member city. And all these sorts of sources, we don't know, there's certainty what the supply-cake buildings are, and we are having to further study that because a lot of them are building some of them are building their own and not creating their own sources of mass. They're water vapors. They don't know again what they can give us. So that's where that's at. The water sources that are independent of North Texas that we have here is only two options. We have the water under our feet and we have a leg next to us over there. Other than that we're surrounded by the North Texas influence water. So that's why it says well and it says sit down to us, obviously the leg. And then there's, we look at some stuff or we can do, make some rainwater harvesting ordinances and we encourage encourage residents to do that. Which we have in the irrigation room. And you utilize that and then other than that, it's a good house. This is the work line goals. It's working collaboratively, engaged with the community and budget that we've seen necessary. Another goal was the regional partners. Now there's a red one up there. And I know this is a little bit too dangerous, but we're going to have it. This is the truth. I've sent in two different rooms. I've heard Rockwell management say, dead on the ride on until this is resolved in some manner. It's not going to work or to get a formal contract. And more Texas, when they were asked directly, say, we only deal with good regional partners. Take what you will from that, but I think my dog goes with it again. So, I know that sounds harsh, but that's why we're signing on that end of that. So just a comment about that in the public. Hold on, continue please. We'll get to comments. All right. I know that you're, we've got multiple people on time. Okay. Okay. So to Chris, one of his three, we put that in. We saw a few of the joint three wells ining three wells and zone wave increased the passive quickly Contractor dials will not happen overnight even and certainly we discuss contracting with with entities that are most effective We can build this on ground storage. It's already in our water master plan and we'll go through that in just a second. Upgrade the pump station, we've done that. And then finishing it from meaning the AMI monitoring system that would help us understand our water use. And then interconnections with neighborhood communities was five. Something in the water, those are interlocking, interlocking connections between the two large slides for emergency uses. So if we had something go down, maybe we wouldn't have pushed the water our way, they had something go down, we pushed water that way. So those things would just help us in the life, health and safety perspective, not through perspective, game, capacity for duty or day, or order. Maybe we need to think demand we should open up today. All right, so concerns. What I'm going to do is demand is adopting policy not to acquire systems without negotiating for additional water supplies. And then that's portions of our area that are not currently in our CCN. Should they occur, maybe we kind of have a strategy or a policy, we do not take those on indoor and indoor water systems, those will be left to others to provide. Investigate policy, the grants, the biggest thing there is engage and educate community to have them have buy-in and help. And I know that you want to water, but if we can have, if we can buy-in and help us get to where we can get to, that's helpful. but if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, if we could have, This is Bill the two additional storage tanks. This is a 1.5 million gallon tank. At the heat drop in your location, we are already on the property. There's a tremendous low-hanging fruit. You can just go ahead and award design, get that helmet and write it to that. It's a wood, but it's not that good. You can think of it. The other tank is also in the water master plan. It's at the Rockwall Comp Station. We had a rigid look at it and see if we could get a little bit bigger one and he said the footprints are not there so we can go with another 3 million gallon tank there and go in the water design and hit. And the stove-out is already over yet. I mean it was expected. Did you say inground or above ground? It's above ground. It would be identical to ones there. It's another kind of kind of kind of there. And that would increase our storage capacity, that is, to $60 million. And it would increase our capacity in town with the water towers to three in half an hour. Nope. I need to go over. You've got some groundwater and rainwater and kind of discussed the ordinance a little bit. I'm not going to be fast, but I know you already know. And groundwater use, we're talking about it, it came under this opportunity with the well at the park. And so it's kind of a low-winging fruit area too. So how do you get these, you know, hang out from anything, get the air and it's way more than the parking. And I said, well, we don't want to give that water away. It does not do any work to get some capacity there. I think it's probably looking to win. And so that's what we're thinking on that. Take that ground water, where we can. Minimum athlete, restruction impact, a specific environment, and certain purple high systems. This is something that we'll have to be decided by counsel, whether or not we're going to incentivize or because it's easy, you incentivize developers to do that or when they build new things or we're going to build something like that, which is a big undertaking, it's not far or short term plan. Provide that with a fire flow. We need to move back to the five-year plan to do that. If one of the girls is going to be put that, put a collision camera, it goes under under design. And move forward. That will help us with what the life does in safety portion and what we do is up the color water system. All right. If we'll make the water CIP. Let's read with that. And then community engagement and education was some of the things there that we can engage with the community and help them understand the water crosses that Texas basis and how we can be a better steward to our environment in our water. Budget for system necessities, that's kind of what we're talking about here, and then give an idea of what we need to spend so that our rates can be adjusted accordingly to pay for. There's also some stuff in there about what you can see grants and think of that and that has been focused I think of some of that here and this something we need to look into for sure. Alright the action plan year one this is what we're calling the bridge plan and again a nasty red comment up at the top I know. But I can't do anything contractually formally within them. You know what I'm talking about? That will personally help. They won't take anything above that, so you can't have any live. So if it's not a live, it doesn't count for me. It does count for the state either. So technically we're in violation. I have a contract. I'll just be honest with you. Absolutely. Well, I think. So for the record, you said we're in violation of state law by not having a water supply. Take the yard. Yes, sir. I mean, that's the truth. Oh, sorry. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to send the information to Wild Ant, starting this plan, get to a better utility rate study so that they can come up with rates that reflect paying for all for this, what we call them, the bridge plan. And then, Jay's talking to Hill Talk about, you know, rate debt, and now debt data. So we're going to continue the dialogue with RCH, it's one of the providers that looks like they had the most probability to give us a musical amount of water that we can get from them as well as an outside source. It's more taste of water the same way that through my losses down the road a little. Riches and fleas are turn to water source study. He ran high point and the whales to the scope. And all of these people to that, he wishes to not being, I guess it's the best thing in this scope, originally to consider. That's nothing to do. So, we'll complete the study once we have somebody that's going to sell us water with a contract. We can talk about it, and say, this is what we'd like to put into it. We can't finish. You can't get any water from high point due to high point getting their water from North Texas, we just watered this through. No, from foreign. From foreign? Yeah. Right. Which foreign he receives it from North Texas. North Texas, we must provide this for our guests. So everybody's clear. They're all in touch. They're in to be able to get water. Right. They're all North Texas Minus Water District, other than Dallas. Dallas. Dallas and the water under your feet. That's right. Orwells. So I just want to be clear. And then also to North Texas Minus Water District does not currently have a customer selling to another customer. And that has to go to approval. 100%. Yeah. They do have to approve it. And members, they are in this. What's well done? I saw it's the right study people that actually said your water rights. Thank you. OK, so I'm going to make my comment and it's not about the litigation, but it's about the concept of getting a contract with North Texas. There was a lot of discussion in the last six months about we got to get a contract. With the proposing for the contract, and this is important to go on record, what they're proposing would result in less water per capita than we currently get. And so I just want to make sure that people understand that. That the North Texas perspective, and to your point, they're in the business of providing domestic water. They're not in the business of providing irrigation water. And so what they're proposing, even if we got a contract with them, it would result in less water per person than what we're currently getting. So it's important that people understand that the contract with North Texas is not the end all be all. It's potentially going backwards as far as our water availability. That's what I wanted to get. Okay, I'm sorry. Well, thank you. All right. This is where our water availability. That's what I want to be in record. Okay, I'm sorry. Well, thank you. All right. I just wanted to make sure we had enough time. But I do appreciate you saying that. That is exactly a true concern. And that is why we're here talking about different sources. We run that at town. We'll continue. Okay. That's the longest of you. What we're going to do, hey I got old day by the way. Thanks me too. Thanks me too. Watch that. I will say what we will do for the two councilmen that do have to leave. We're going to continue all of this. However, we will get together on a special session and see if we can tee up a meeting and then come back into a discussion. Yeah, same thing. Okay, so then that way it's a multi-party system. Thanks Mayor. Can I go ahead and announce that if you want to go ahead and give normal year available dates because I know we would do this quickly. I'm going on vacation but I'll be here so I will come back but we want this next meeting to be around your schedule. Okay, so if no one reads that okay, they contact you and then you're born data meeting. You will be important for us to get your impact because at this point we're considering this a draft. Yeah, it's a working, it's still a working process. Yes. So we're just going to go ahead and go out and start contacting the engineering group. Sure, we better show them the budget on this one. Yeah, so good. So go ahead. Alright, we better show them the budget on this one. Yeah, so good. So go ahead. All right, let's get to it. So I mean, you know, I could say your one was continued ballot, complete study, complete the tier, replace the scale, and we're in the middle of going and then up egg to water. And which is your one is ending in two months. So that's where that is. So your two is the Waterwell, the town center park is going in. And now we found out the utility cap was our Drillwell for the spring, hopefully, we both have this, we have a design contract came in this week, which we hope have executed not at this medium Tuesday, but your next one. And that's what I'll tell you. How much additional order? You said good. Well, they're new. So the well-gover's telling us they think over a couple telling us 700 gallons per minute. Yeah. Which is about 900,000 per day. Almost a million gallons a day. What is that? And that's already been through TCEQ's investigated wing and DELS? No. That's already been through TCEQ's investigated wing and else. No, so how what they'll maybe not so So what does you do? Well, that's right. You've long you don't decide whether or not you can have a take-off right yeah We can use it immediately for irrigation We're gonna and we'll take buckets and take it to the streets. We don't But yeah, we're going to fill fill that one and then we're going to get a parking. Yeah. Yeah, but for 4.8 million here at the park, seems a little high. Yeah, it's big. Yeah, it's big. Well, it is big. Well, and yeah, all that's accurate. I am presuming we would be accepted. Pass it. The inspection. Yes. I mean, because it's what we have is children's well, and it was accepted, not safe. And golf. And you're not golfing. Well, that's not possible. That's just true, yes. And it was accepted. I'm stuck with your own young. What about the private well that's ongoing right now there? Okay, and so it's not as good of water but they are making a What treatment they're doing it's just the house Really but they are actually not in the same aquifer where they stay in the upper one, which is a lower ball dead water. It is the water rights in those. Okay, stay in Texas. You want water rights underneath your... On your bundle? Maybe not the minerals, but you own the water. Correct. You have a little catch of here. It is long-sleded lull. They are very clear of decks about that. You own your law. So they'd have some of their mires that also drilled their own well as there's potable or no? I don't know about that. Straight your vision. Straight your vision. All right. So for the sake of time. All right. And then the next thing we're going to do the next year is we're going to go ahead and start designing on the heat coffe in Yacht's area, 1.5 million, which is just like the one in Smurl. At the full-time property, we're going to know one of those right there. They give us 1.5 million, that's what the land was for. It's already in the plan to be built. We're just going to accelerate that when they are pulling on it's because they do. They pull on it so hard that I have everything in mind and we still do the grant. And then you can tell everybody turns them off and we'll gain back. The danger to that is if a fire breaks out or we do have to have a leak at the same time, we're going to drink. So for real quick clarity and I want to continue but for real quick clarity you're talking about when it peaks right because ultimately and the only reason I'm making this a topic is because I talk to a lot of people and there's a whole lot of questions is I'm sure all of you guys have experienced so but our supply is 6 million and you got 5 million in tanks yeah but here's what happens, right? Everybody's watering at the same time, so now you're pulling on it and your supply can't keep up, right? And then ultimately, you don't really know when you're going to be able to replenish. So you're trying to protect us from going over that 6 million marker. And at the same time, you've got to replenish what you just pulled out of those tanks. And then also too, you pull too much out of the tanks, we just saw what that world looks like. You go to a bull nose because you go below 25 or you said 20, but 20 psi. So again, that's why you're recommending a raised storage tank to continue the head pressure capability. It's not just about the 6 million, it's about how fast you continue the head pressure capability. It's not just about the six million, it's about how fast you pull the corrum. Correct. So it protects us on surges but doesn't, it doesn't need nothing to help the supply problem. No, not at a micro level. Right. We're going to do a point, Mayor. Our age rise is weak. We've been pumping it 60-rd gallons a minute with two pumps. We've drained the equivalent of 62.50 gallons a minute and we all had time to, we're totally the man, 18 and GD. Not very much time to be here. We have fire. You got it. Yeah. And even if, I know we've, you know, if Rockwall was to say, yeah, people in whatever you need, but we can't go as fast enough for everyone to irrigate at the levels of irrigate. So that storage is a way to give us some butter, especially in town storage, the elevated storage. Storage up there helps us more on the end of, when they shut us off, or if we reach a six million for that day, we still had that. You got extra. But storage here, that was just during those peak periods when they're really pulling on us. Now we have that storage here to not get you low. Very well said. Brian is the 1.5 million big enough. Do we need to maybe plan for larger, like a 3 million in the air? Well, so this is the caution you're running to when you when you overstore is The problem is in the winter we might only use a million yeah, that's right and after you guys have having Six million elevated you got a week for the water during February that it takes a week to get out of the tanks and you be running the issues with You know water perishable Yeah, This infection levels reduce on their own. I mean chlorine is a wonderful disinfectant but it's a wonderful disinfectant because it's so unstable. Very good. You also have some enzymes. So domestic use is about one plan? Yeah, we see numbers as low as 800,000 during the winter. And on a scale that's cold rainy day, no one's using any water. But 1.5 is a pretty average mid-winter day, or late fall, but if you start thinking back or you're starting to get started, by including North Texas is extreme. We just don't want to do something is everyone's, you start off adequately, even North Texas is extreme. Now we just don't want to do something. That's your domestic key, people are showering, washing their clothes, washing their dishes. But if you turn on those sprinklers, that thing goes up three times. All right, so we've got two councilmen that need to leave pretty promptly. Oh, sorry. That's okay. No, I so the 4.8 million covers the complete cost of the well and that's has designed for that has designed these in everything the other eight sports one million is designed for that one for this for this coming this one year we did we did put in there in the work construction if it's it if the council desires and then in that funny way, in the this year, it would take some time to design it though, but if we got design quickly and the council wanted to move forward and would, and then I'll show you right away through the cost of that. So what do we have for the cost? Why do we have to pay $1 million to design? Don't we already have designs for, okay. You have the design for three months. Okay, so you've got another elevated storage tank. You've got another water well Got you so so in general we're talking about 2526 now the the first slide that we saw is that rolled up into your budget Okay, however is it rolled up into your budget with the equivalency tax rate or the voter approval rate and I end this a two-part question DPS are you in the voter approval rate or the equivalency tax rate or or any of the Interim but the seven is So the deep jazz I mean Whether you go voter, I mean voter approval rate or equivalent rate, we can still have everything that we just talked about in this budget. The only thing that's going to change is your property tax revenue, the man. So if we go with the voter approval rate, it's 6.2 million. If you decide today, hey, you know, we just want to show the Reflat rate. That's 5.8 and then the equivalent tax rate if we decide on that, that's just what we're going to show. It doesn't necessarily mean that that's what we're going to go with in the end. Since we are planning on meeting again, we can discuss that thing. But this is just for the public. So essentially everybody's covered, however, you do not have over your 35% of fund balance that is where you need to be, you'd be higher, you'd be at 40%, right? So you've got a 5% gain. And the point that I'm making is that I don't believe this is aggressive enough. And Chief didn't have us 11% here. This is utility fund. Yeah, utility and generally. Okay, so that's going to be the utility fund. Yeah. As a stand to say. More by one rate. Okay. Okay. So then that goes back to you. Hold on. Just so I can make sure my mind's wrapped around everything. So if it's the utility fund, then that goes back to the $5 item that we were talking about. Well, that's nice. That was a hot one for General Mine. You can't really find his only water. For the record, those details are very important for the residents to understand. So thank you for that, Clare. This is what it's that waterway. It would. So we'll do it. So if we're going to do this, we'll do it. It's going to say, OK, they need business. There's many millions that waterway's going to be affected by that. That's what they pay for that. Now I will say on water wells, you do have an RLI on that that is different than what you're paying, crock wall, as we saw in these rates for that, because ultimately you're getting your hard costs predominantly up front, your maintenance fees, are gonna be a lot less than what you're paying per thousand gallons as you're having. You're still having something with you. Because you will be selling it, it is the business side of the house. I just wanna make sure that those elements are... So before they leave, when we come back to this water, I would like us to discuss that you have to have a certified operator for a while. And that when you have old water, which we would have if we put more tanks, you then deal with side beautification of the water. You also have to have a churner potentially. In all of ours, we have to mix. Well, and that you're going to need to explain some of this. Because I've been talking to of. Yeah. Well, and you're going to need to explain some of this to you. Because I've been talking to T.C. and Q. Okay. And I have a lot of questions that are engineered by my mom. Okay. Okay. Real quick for the sake of time, Councilman Weaver has a quick question. Is there? This 4.8 includes any treatment. Yes. To make it possible. Yes. OK. Yeah. Thank you. OK. Councilman Dodson, do you have a question for you, Timmy? Yeah. One last question. I'm assuming we would bond this or the recommendation is to bond this in order to come up with the capital needed to support these projects. That's what I'm talking about. What about the other way to support it? Yeah. Right. way I will put the other way to storage. Yeah, right. So for the bottom end of that, for 25, 26 of the execution, we'd be looking to bond that in order to make that or to secure that capital. Right. There's a big one in there in your jury. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, by you. That's the GST, that storage tank is drop wall. Just one of that hits like that. Right. All right. That's a big, that big. That's a big, that big. That's a big, that big. That's a big, that big. That's a big, that big. That's a big, that's a big. That's a big, that's a big, that big. That's a big, that big. That's a big, that big. That's a big, that big. That's a big, that big. on the rate. Right, so voter approval rate, de minimis tax rate, flat tax or equivalent tax rate. So my direction was somewhere in between and not cutting back on all the services and programs that we were proposing, but cutting back a little bit on that 40% Fun balance. So there's de minimis tax rate and flat tax rate that fall in line with that. Yeah, the flat Well, so so the flat is not the 2040 test saying it's far split yet that's the closest Councilman Krauss what Councilman Caldwell same with Brad Councilman Rufo Councilman Mormon I mean at that at this point I think you've got majority so this is for socialization anyway right yeah yeah this is a place older barring yeah the final decision so I think yeah the posted 30 days before the public hearing. Yeah. Okay. Very good. I think you've got direction there. We can continue. Please, Mr. Creek. Okay. And this is the last, the last portion of that is the ground storage tank at Rockwall. And there, we also proposed building a well there at that site. And to councilman Cross's point, you'll see in the note. We did feel like it's important to tell you guys should something ballparker. I'm not saying that rule, for sure. I'm not saying that's likely. But should something occur with barbwunder? Like, get out of here. You put a risk. Everything you're building up there is it will be scrap. Or they'll buy it because they bought the other half of the other tank we had. Only valuable to them. I don't know if it will get the term. But it would be your response when we not to tell you all. And actually you picked up on it of the risk of whatever we build up there. If things aren't resolved and between the two cities is it? We do own that land we do we just didn't do anything with it. They wouldn't do the water They have they have a land for storage themselves they need more there Completely constricted, right? Okay, so there may be a is there opportunity there? I guess there would be the only customer that would be interested in acquiring it if you got with the only police option. Good thing we bought it when we did. But I mean I don't know how much competition you'd have to try. I'm saying but if you ever want to use it, if we were going to try to buy it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Moving on. That's it. That's the end of it. I'll answer any questions. I think I went really fast and skipped a lot. Some of the information I'm assuming you don't have this or you can't have this to go over or I can go back and discuss anything. Brian, I really appreciate the work and the multi-level comprehensive nature that you all put into this plan, right? Water is just way more than just supply, just more than demand. And I think it's rich stated in the last council meeting. It's not just storage that kind of comes into the equation. It's all a part of the final solution for this. And adding into that the work slide on the education and awareness, we're going to have to hit on that so hard for so long because. It was the most full slide. Yeah, a lot of this is Aaron's works. I don't want to take it straight to that. Well, I was going to say, when I'm in as a run point on this presentation, that contingency of staff met multiple times to talk through this. And we've all regated and all agreed with the content that's shown here. So I know it makes him very nervous, especially when you have to read the red letters on the book. But it's not just this take on this situation that this is something that all of us at this table and this table have been open on leading up to this. If you're in the communication part, we're at, like, to me, we're at a lot. Maybe if we keep saying, do not water, but it feels like we're not doing anything, I feel like we're just spinning and wind into a completely other actionable plan. Yeah, things that we're going to produce, right? I feel like all the way down to this point, we're going to create a scarcity mentality that it went rain today, but it's my day. I'm going to max out my water You know we've seen a lot of selfishness is to society today I mean probably if we have pride in our properties and We're more about our own stuff these days. So any education any encouragement is just following It's not even falling on deadmirs. It's falling around in over years So well, I think this gets to the It's falling around the painting over here. Well, I think this gets to the mayor's point on the sense of urgency and the expediency of being able to deliver on some of these things. And listen, I know that the process is compounded because we're immune to somealities and things just don't move as quickly as they do in the private sector. And I get all that. But the planning and the implementation to be able to produce tangible results that we can deliver to our citizens is absolutely what's big required of us. So, you know, I don't know what the answer is, Jeremiah, to your charge and your question. But boy, we really need to gant this out and take a real hard look at how quickly we can deliver some of these results. Because I think every component that you all talk about is a piece of the equation. I really do. What do you need from the council on this line? You need consensus on moving forward? We'll bring back somebody to say here we go. We're ready to do the scope to start design. We've got all proofs to allow us to manage or to go into contract with these people and we've been designing these. We need infrastructure out on pretty desperate behalf. Okay, and the fun design. Y'all tell us a bit about it. I'm actually working with Wilden, he's actually waiting on the final product, on the utility 10-year CIP. And as far as the starting point with the water will and the elevated stores tank best included, this portion is a little more costly. I didn't know if y'all wanted to add that in there, but if that's what you want to do, I can add that in there. And he can start the process. So in theory, pushing this forward towards not a three-year... This is something we think we want to add to and move forward on. They need to know that. Put it in the right steady. OK. So ultimately, what I hear staff saying is, is that they need to understand from the body directionally are they headed in the right direction so they can get these balls rolling and then bring it back in front of us to do those other line-out and square. Correct? OK. Can I make one comment? Yes, please. Hold it. Hold it, then. From Kevin, he's stepping there, how are you staying? Stop. You're stepping there. I just want you guys to have confidence that we recognize on the staff side of the line here that our mandate is to provide domestic and life-state people are. But we also are very aware that our community, for the most part, has made tremendous investments in property and improvements. And we don't, we don't not see that. We do definitely understand that. And so we hope, our hope is that what we put forward here is a plan that addresses the domestic and the life safety portion that also is working toward getting us to a point where we can do a better job of providing for the, to support the investment that folks have made and they're probably. So I know with that Brian's talked a lot about the irrigation is sort of a set of things that we talk about water, but we understand that. Can we tell you? It's just secondary to our purpose. Yeah. Well, public drinking water people from TCU don't give a rat's butt about you ever here for asking. Pretty much if you're not watering something, can eat they don't. Yeah that's an entire civilization. It's been two days listening to those people. So there's other issues there has to be some caveats on anything that we do. For example I've learned a lot about water and a tank and it can be nasty tasting and put the smell out that you cannot stand. It's perfectly good but nobody here is going to want that because we have too many tanks and the water becomes stratified and smells bad. I know you've got churners. I also know that you have to have a certified operator to have a well and the truth is water has become, it is the staff of life, but it's become a more rarefied thing. The public has to be aware that even though we could spend millions of dollars in bust hump, I'm not undermining any of y'all because I know how hard you've been working. You're talking about where it's going to cost them the back side of your life. Yes, and it could be, if we pay an operator that's one thing. If we bring on employees that's more retirement. Forget your placement getting their raise because we got to pay for the guys after. You're all going to carry guns and so we'll pay more. They're all carrying guns now. You just don't know. We better be going to the office to you. But I mean, I wasn't aware of the different forms of disinfectants and how some water cannot be mixed. So much more complex than I think any of us understand in the public sure as well. Because they don't want to know. They just want to turn the tap on and get what they want. It can be complex. I'm certified as a street being. I'm a chili well. Well, I'm a chili well. I'm a chili well. I'm a chili well. I'm a chili well. I'm a chili well. I'm a chili well. She picked on me too. I don't do so. I love you. That was a good one. Well, only to never touch for new public works. All right, guys. No. All right, guys, too. I'll look at that out. Yes. All right, so for the sake of time, let's continue the dialogue, please. Yes. So Councilman Calvo, your point was it's complicated as far as what they're proposing. It's that there's also issues which is more money coming. And the other thing is right now because we don't have a contract and I don't read their minds. I think there's been some bleminal threats, Aritha, since it, and then our mayor, a year ago, said, I'm not sensing that. So even if we were to settle the lawsuit, then they're already given us more than $100, they can say, pound sand, and since we don't have a contract, you put a wall, well, hey, you're getting the main wargum, we're gonna take a million down the way from it. And that all could happen because Bodeck was supposed to be a 30 year fix, and TCEQ says it's five now. No. So we could spend $20 million in being worse off. There's a risk. And the public needs to know this. So share it to your point. I think with this plan by putting it out there with the caveats that you had talked about, associated as risks and things that were managing to reduce the impact of that is probably a part of that education, right? And it needs to be like a flashing sign because they're not going to remember it's got it. Yeah, I don't listen. I mean, quite frankly, every strategic plan I put together for any company I've been a part of, there's always that race and mitigation, sliding everything else, and it's at the end that everybody goes to, all right, well, what are you going to do? To do it. To do it. Yeah, yeah, right. So I'll let you go. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. But there is, but there is risk. But this stuff is in the water. And we build it and I build out any ways. Yeah. We're just accelerating it. Yeah. Now that's where the risk comes in. You go too much to zoom in on our winter days of water set. Now we're just going to talk. Stinkified. And I would also like to add that when you start looking for security, sustainability, your source could potentially bring in 2 million to 3 million gallons. So your average use in one or months is less than two. So we're not irrigating. So in theory, right, you are creating a possibly a more sustainable solution for yourself, less reliant on others. So there's that part of it too. I agree with you. And I too have learned way more about well water than I thought I would ever know. Or even water from water in general. And the law that this past 70 years ago that allows this army of people in Austin to drain pocket books. Your turn, aren't you? So completely agree with what you're saying. To this point, though, we have an obligation to the residents. We on the bench are residents, some of staff are residents. And we have an obligation to remedy this and come up with a solution. And I do appreciate staff's recommendation to stop the litigation. That'll come on an agenda at a later date. We'll discuss that and I'm sure in a lively debate on how to remedy those types of relationships. But at this time, you know, there are not many options and we need to be focused on what those options are and put our best foot forward to get that plan out and then obviously assuming that that plan is moving forward. My recommendation would be is that this moves faster than three years. That my recommendation would be is that this moves faster than three years. My recommendation would be is that you've already got one well that you're planning and going after. Mr. Creed has, as he stated, certified in this. He's worked in a city that had multiple wells. And we've been in the water. And so we do have the expertise internally here where I might cause pause if we didn't. But I've been very pleased to hear a great dialogue between Mr. Creed, Mr. Dormire and many others on this topic. So I do appreciate you guys putting forth this effort to get us to this moment. Councilman Dodson? Brian? I know that in the 89 Texas legislative agenda there's an element in there for the Texas Municipal Water Board as I think the name of that group on being able to put forth assistance with regards to infrastructure needs for municipalities like ours. Are you across that? And is there any way that we could apply for any of that funding? We can. So you're talking to the GWDV? Yes, sir. Yeah. So they have multiple facets through, because we have to clean water. Right. Yeah. We need to use your own big grants. I don't know. I'm tricky to anybody in the second he's going to get much of grants. No, I know how difficult it is to. What your citizens can afford to pay? They don't care about your tax rate. They're going to be doing it about it. You're going to see your budget rate here to be about $1,000. But you can get some assistance from them for lower interest loans and things like that. We should seek that. Absolutely. lower interest loans and things like that, we should seek that. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just wondering how hard to push that line item with our representation in Austin. I think this work is looking at. Yeah. I think it's everything's worth exploring now. The media they have worked jobs, opportunity in several, counsels, guns and so on, and they walk through that and they talk about, you know, what's available and what you're likely to be thinking is of getting it to be honest, because it's competitive in the water. Yeah, of course. To get that and the poor communities right very high. No. And they have to look, you need to be very low. They don't really look at how bad your system is. They look at your ability in a pack. Yeah. So I've got two part question to the bench as we try to wrap this element. One is are you in favor of the direction in which the staff has proposed? The second question is, is that do you want to see it done faster? Councilman Krauss? Well, I'll answer that also make one on the comment. I didn't realize that evidently drilling for water is as cheaper, cheaper than building an elevated storage tank. You know, we're freaking out about the price. It's a million dollars. Just to design it. And another eight million to build it. 12.7? No, no, that's the three million. That's the three million. But even though the elevator tank. So maybe the multiple wells isn't a bad idea. Yeah, I agree with you in both cases. This is a great plan and faster is better. Thank you, Cremson. Yes, and yes. Yes, and yes, Mr. Mormon. Yes, and yes, thank you for doing this. It's amazing, and I would say yes, head in this direction and do it very quick. Very well. Councilman Rufo. I do like the direction. I think there are lots of question marks, of course. So, you know, not trying to say here, yes, go, you know, let's go get the contractors and let's start drilling. I, from, yes, from a perspective of, I'm excited to dig into these more, to learn more about this, to learn about the risks, to figure out what is the sustainable path forward, because the well is maybe, or they may not be. And so I'm excited to learn more about that and to figure out the right solution for our community. Okay, faster or along this line? I think that's a, that I want as fast as we can get it done. But at the same time, I think we need to learn more about other things. For example, if he very quickly go and drill the wells, is that going to take away from the other supply we get from from New York, Texas, they're saying 205 gallons per person per day. So if we spend all this money and they say, well, now you only need 4.8. You've had six. Now you're bringing in two more million. We're going to take two million away. Well, then that's not as sustainable for our community. So I want to make sure we understand these things before you forward. So I'm going to answer that question. So nobody in this room knows the answer, number one. But to answer it specifically is that North Texas Municipal Water District does not regulate its members as far as quantity that they sell to their customer. That we do know from the conversations that we have. Number two is is that in a we have the appeal. You're never really going to get the answer because that's been made fairly clear. I have had some great conversations, I will say, with both entities. And I am very favorable on those relationships and believe that there could be resolution, absolutely. And so, but I am saying, as staff has made this recommendation, I'm not necessarily saying that's the same recommendation. I'm saying that's the obstacle for the information in which you seek. So, do we believe that? Hold on a minute. I changed the direction of what I was saying. I know, I'm kind of getting to the point, right? So you said the risk, right? So I was talking about supply. We're getting supply from somewhere else. Will that impact the supply to get from World Texas? And so I didn't really change the direction, I'm literally telling you that your supplier, there is always a chance that your supplier is going to pivot if you have a new source, right? If you have a contractual agreement in which we don't, that creates risk. I'm not saying like bad guys, which is good guys, or anything, I'm just talking about risk, right? So to answer your question, that's an obstacle that if we could utilize our direction and those relationships, we can mitigate that risk. I have been told that in fact we were encouraged by North Texas Venus Water District to draw walls and have more storage and so you know we walked away from that meeting saying okay well let's talk about it with Rockwall and it was again a similar response So I'm not saying I'm not saying that they would I'm just saying that Directionally through those relationships through those conversations and none of them were adversarial. They were all very positive That led to this but this also was a number of conversations to get here because two staff's recommendation is that litigation has impeded on our ability to even get an application directly with North Texas. But I agree with Councilman Weaver's perspective is that well if you get a direct connection in North Texas, Venus, water, just you might be in a bigger predicament. So again, we're trying to navigate all these waters, and Rockwell does seem to be probably one of the, if we work well together, one of the better solutions, have they implied that they like everybody else to take one? Of course. But it hasn't been a situation where they've said, you got to. It's absolute, you know, like this is definitive, you're doing that. In fact, they've extended a number of years of operating without a water supply agreement, which does show, in my opinion, good faith. They're working hard. They're very kind but frustrated, right, just in the current circumstances. So, hopefully that answers the question and I'm not again trying to get back the litigation. It is one of the riskier parts of if you go drill well and you're still in litigation, I don't know, you don't have a water supply agreement and maybe they come back and they go, oh well you just created still in litigation, I don't know. You don't have a water supply agreement and maybe they come back and they go oh well you just created three million gallons so we're we're not gonna supply a six anymore. Sure. So your question was how quickly do I want to get it done? On a road trip I'd like to go 150 miles an hour but that's not wise. Okay so I would like to go as fast as is responding to make sure that we're doing our due diligence. But as it pertains to a three-year plan versus faster than a three-year plan is my point. Let's just let's dig in and understand more and then see how fast we can do it. Okay so you guys are the experts so obviously you've teed up a three-year plan, but I don't think the three-year plan is necessarily from what I just heard The absolute like hey, that's that's where we need to go. I think you guys had talked about doing it faster, but not sure I just kind of wanted to try to help just wanted to help Councilman Rufus call me. You are absolutely, you got at least 30 minutes. And I'm worried. Go ahead, Mr. Creep. Well, yes, the answer is yes. If this funded, we'll put everything out. I mean, that's good. It's funded, it's funded. We'll put everything out. I mean, that's... It's funded. We'll have to money. So you're saying if it's funded, you could execute. Funding, juror. Nothing going to hold you up from Mexican. But does that mean bonding? Yes. The thing is, as you have... I was thinking in the immediate... The elevated storage tank is already in the water mass flame. There he is. The town's on the part where that's already had done a pretty much. Now the other stuff, that's something we probably have to sit on and think about. But as far as the immediate, I think those two projects are doable. Right. And whenever we come to a consensus on that, or whenever whenever we come to a consensus on that or whenever you are come to a consensus on that, we can add those projects and if we need to come back and make change, because we can always make changes to the ten years of the OPEC, we can make those changes, send it back to Jason Grant and say, hey, we want to do this too. How's this going to impact our utility rates? Okay. And it counts from color. You know, it's a fun relationship I utility rates. Councilman Cullin. You know, it's a fun relationship, I see, between us and Rockwell. Rockwell likes that we're here. They send a lot of their schools here, and we have to eat the infrastructure in those schools. And I think they send the schools here, because it's a safe environment. The kids could actually walk from home to the school, probably without getting run over from some crazy, even the 30. And what they've been charging this is really reasonable. They're not having the contract and Brian says we're technically, we can't put a gun to their head and make them sign a contract and that's where we are. There's no form. Right. So, you know, we kiss them on the map. They're still not gonna sign the contract. You know what I mean? They don't want to. This whole arena is perplexing on a basis of logic. The taking pay? If you're trying to conserve, do you do that some way? No. You do that if you're producing a product and you've got to make your overhead, I'm making gasoline, you're really to buy the water, God makes it. And the other thing is, from dealing with, and I have made a complaint with TCQ about a neighbor's water, and they did respond, but not in a way I would expect. And I've really not a fan of Oval regulation, but I mean mean they're talking about reclaimed water. They don't have fentanyl and they'll have your wife's hormones and they're just on birch control. And they don't know if that's going to be your treatment. So the whole water arena is treacherous. And I don't feel right now based on the numbers that they've been given for all this step. We've just ordered ladder trucks or building're building all these buildings, going faster than three years right now without me spending more time in this. I just couldn't do it. I might in a week be able to say, yeah, I think we can put the pedal down, but right now, no, I'm a little overwhelmed with this gift from Jay. We have wonderful people who live in this town. We also have, like Susan said, people who feel grossly entitled, and that's why we have 700 tickets we're having to deal with. And I may get one of those in my house and run in the water supply windows. But you also, if we get them water and it stinks, and they don't want to drink it, they're going to be having pitchforks in bed for us too. So that's why I'm weird across the road and it's really important. And my mom used to say, feels Russian, but they're anxious to ever try it. Okay, very good. Thank you, Councilman Koldall. So in general, I don't want to speak for Councilman Weaver, but we have talked at length about the same item. I can't speak to how fast he would agree with moving forward, but I do know that he agrees with the plan. And he pointed out, North Texas minus water district director is also a problem solution. So I do feel comfortable in telling you that. So thank you, Councilor Dotson. So in general, I do believe that we need to try to tee this up sooner than later. I think the majority is kind of saying, hey, this is a good direction. We need to have some more meetings on this. We need to make this a priority. We need to really feel comfortable and confident as you guys are the experts. You need to walk us through it very slowly on the how. I think that's what I've heard from multiple people here. But I, directionally, I think a three-year plan is OK, but it's not really what the majority would like to see. I'd like to see it a little bit faster. So if it comes down to funding, then let's tee up a meeting and let's talk about what that would look like. Right? But in that meeting let's not just make it about how would we fund everything up front, walk us through the fundamentals. You know phase one, phase two, phase three, if it's a 24 month cycle but then also have a section on quality. Right? As Councilman Caldwell has pointed out, you know, there's a lot of questions there on how it would be managed and what are the maintenance fees and how does this all work? And, you know, if you're going to build a well and you're going to route the potable to your storage tanks and it's going to churn and then also when you have dormant water, what's the game plan there? Are you going to, how are you going to, how are you going to get rid of the water that you need to get rid of soon? Maybe walking us through those granular details would allow more comfort on this side to follow that. I do appreciate the bridge. I love the idea that it's called the bridge plan because that really should be what it is. You've got a long-term plan, but we've got to come up with something very quick. Yes, sir I don't want to comment to share it into yourself to the board Partly you're concerned There's going to be dictated and decided by the first little Sure, you get your order now We don't know where the other two This can be used in salaries We don't know where the other two are multiplying in the future. So they might be not. This can be used in salaries to understand their regulation. Sure. But you can determine if you're drinking from the moral floor or in finding out about the regulation of the drugs, the needs of the new laws. Sure. We're rushing that, but there's a good key. Right. And with that being said, right, to Drilla Welles three key. Right and and with that being said right to drill a well is three months right so that's a short putt in the grand scheme of everything we're talking about so you know you get three months you get your water you get your samples you also have and we've talked about this we also have samples from someone that that has drilled same aquifer in which we're trying to drill to. That is, that's right here, right? So we have access to two of those readings, correct Richard? I'm sorry. I apologize. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. You grinned at me and I thought, man, we're in alignment. So as far as water testing right we we did have and mr. Shook I think I think for heath golfing out didn't we test that even though it's not possible but we cannot test and they did not have a test warrant to be into it okay but he has generally runs the will system is going to get us samples. Okay. And then why those lab, and what's the timeline on that? Because that was a couple weeks ago. Yeah, it's coming from more weeks. Okay. So a long thing I would say, Jeremiah, is I appreciate you coming from a perspective that's not going on. But if you think I can get done in three months, it's a good issue to be talk to TCQ. No, I'm just talking about the actual handling of a well. But to get there, we have to do this blueprint plan and then the investigator has to come out. I don't know what is investigating. Before we ever drill a hole and then when it gets out then it's a litany of different tests. And they might tell you what you need to access that cycle. Yeah, so Councilman Cullwell, I appreciate you point that out. I am familiar. I was referencing to the actual drilling process. So. And that might be at this rate of year from now. I hope I'm wrong. Mr. Creed, is that going to be a year from now for the drill a well and get it okay by the guilt remit that you can do it. So I can tell you what the process would be if you told me right now I'm on a well wherever and we would immediately bring you a scope to design the well if the next council meeting that would have worked we would have design design What award would we have designed? Design would take three months is what he told us. Yeah, design is long. After we get design, we can take that and we could not forbid, we would bid two to three weeks, get our welder, what's the bid? I would bring that back to council and say we were at menu awarded to the XYZ, no award to whoever you want to, and then they would have built in their scope so many days to get it drilled. I don't know the other thing, just kind of name it. I thought you couldn't show any dirt, so TCEQ told you to. So TCEQ, part of the design process is they would submit that design to the DCQ group. For however long days that's, they say they want to do it in the 60s. But, They're telling them, 10 or more is that they can have better dream marks. Okay. With what they say, with permit prep draft. They're ready to go to the library. We haven't actually got through a design yet. That has not been awarded. We're going to bring it to you. to design as well. After that will be run online, we would do a pump test, we would do water quality test, we would submit water quality test to TCK and ask for the PODBLE, our season block information, our sentry, seweries, all that information can be submitted to them. And then I don't know how long they might take but Procure you wasn't long but I don't know if they had somebody inside or not Good how much I wouldn't keep in track of your 90 days 90 days And let's be clear we are doing that We are drilling well. It's funded. Yeah, that's happening. Yeah,. Yeah, so we can do that both as fast as possible. Yeah, it's really, yeah, it's six weeks. We're going to go to engineering contract, you know, so you can do your design. Yeah, we just got it in this week, we're doing more. Well, we expect a well in three months, so. You know. He's being, he's being, he's being, he's being he's being he's being prestigious but I like his aggressive we're all gonna quit So realistically nine months from start to finish for a win. Yeah, probably. You do your treatment design. Well, I got it. Well, I have a treatment plan. I'm going to be a professional. Yeah, it takes a lot. It's going to be AIDS crisis. I wish I could say faster. And that goes to my point. This was my point that I was headed to is that when they talk about testing this well and this water, well, if we're testing other local wells, it's no different. If it's in the same aquifer, it's no different. You're still running the same amount of risk because you're drilling this one here and then you're going to go, you're going to go half a mile up the road, you drill it somewhere else. There's no different than right if you got tests from the Beamons from HDYC from Trilogy I mean it's still the same What's that? Issues it There's a software app probably for a salt or something like that. No, no, no, no. I completely agree. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is that the risk is at every well. It's not. So if we test this and everything's great, we still run the risk at the next day. That was like ice here. So waiting, my whole point was, waiting till you have this drilled and tested and all the other things, are you still running the same exact risk if you fund the whole thing and start drilling all through wells at the same time? It's the same exact risk. The only one that's, you may be more scared because this one turned out bad and you don't want to do the other two. But the risk is all still the same. Now, in powder was a different word than powder. Yes. Yes. That is very true. You mean I like it but it won't really work. Go to the self-respect. Well, that's what you used to do. I like how the West Texas and the Shields had a holiday long and nothing better sweet than making that little water. I was going to say,'m on the screen. I can't drink it. But I've ripples. But we're also talking about the difference between straight well, potable and delusion. Right? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? You got on left? questions on this I think I think I would like a copy of it. Yeah copy would be great. Even before he would have been able to. She's already sent it. Thank you. Thank you. Which version do I want? The version A.7? So all be good with the water needs to be teed up. Well, we're going to have another meeting, right? Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, he's got to do it. He's got to do a rate study. That's what I'm saying. I think everything you presented needs to be there. All right. Yeah. The sum is in the 10 years. Yes. We all want to move it up to next year. Right. Correct. Yeah. Assumance in the 10 years. Because you have the bonding process to start. No, we do. We do. Another nine days or whatever. I thought I saw that you're also requesting our, what are abondability, Jay? I think I saw in there you're actually questioning what is our abondability, how much can we borrow, how much do we have left? Which we got really great rates when you guys did the 30 million. So in general I would assume that it's going to be pretty similar. But how many millions can we borrow? Right, yeah. Okay. And you're going to investigate that from the direction you've received today for the whole thing. Okay. Very good. Any other items? One question. Yes, ma'am. So the last time I looked at this company is the elevated tank, I don't know if it was in there, but we're going to do the elevated tank anyway. We'll look at the fourth oil. Yes. Sorry, what was your question? The elevated tank, the sound. Uh huh. We've been here trying to care what the elevated time coefficients is best we can. We've got the welds. So if we're going to put a bit of elevated time out, we've got the land nice to the school. We've got the weld. And the positive over it. Yeah, what is the side of the elevated time? Next to the school transmission. How do we detect the welds? So provision it, you're saying that at construction? Yeah, okay. We did not have a well now. I would. Yeah, and I think that mirrors the strategy in which we've discussed today. Is there a, do we get a, that's fine to say. But do we get some kind of a value by drilling all the wells at once, versus drilling them? A discount. I mean, if we're bringing in a vendor, if they're bringing the equipment and they go boom boom boom boom. You know, he does ask it. He does ask a good question. It was standpoint. You did bid them all out. Yeah. At the same time, which made Jay spin the circle. Yeah. Yeah. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to first. I think that's a great question. That could be an alternate day like you're saying if you do. And my section is not all over the phone. Yeah, I didn't think it was a stupid question. It was good. I mean, you're going to have people who do it. They already got their code. It's already deployed. And then, so if it's, you know, six weeks to drill, then boom, they move to the next one and the next one. Prep in a second. There's a lot of value. Now, when we drill out here, is it possible to run purple pipe to that corner? So we could bring it to wherever our treatment facility will be. The treatment is a smaller facility. You can speak to that but it's going to be at the tanks. But we're planning on the one over here just being for irrigation. No, it's potable. We're going to make that potable too. So we're going to blow head that so that don't need raw water. We're going to go out of it and warm. We've got treated, this direction too. So we can put it into our system through there. It's not just a repurposed pipe for there. You know where the park. Right. And it is going to be piped over here for the untreated part. Yeah, we're not going to turn it. It's going to go into that pond and we did talk about potentially running purple pipe further on into the reserve and if town center and win all that you know so you have other ways of selling it. Okay I was just thinking merely from a standpoint of getting it into our potable system. No so that's part of the that's part of the conversation that Mr. Dormire was talking about is that drilling the well, at the actual towers, said in that way it's a short putt, cost a lot less. You've already got pump station, right? So you've got some utility for utilities. Yeah. Did I answer that right? I believe so. Okay. The trick is going to be in jurisdiction into the string. And so it will be as it runs. Okay. Thank you very much. Very good. All right. Anything else? Staff. Mr. Lashner, thank you. Council. Any further questions? Staff? Mr. Lashler, thank you. Council, any further questions? Discussion items, go-gets. I believe the major go-get is the water plan. Let's come up with another meeting that we can schedule fairly quickly where we can come back to this. The form of known your bed building. Okay, very good. Any other questions? The water plan at this point is considered a draft. We're still working very good. So you don't want to see anyone that took pictures of the slides or received slides. Put this on the internet. 100% public information. I'm just putting the caveat on there that we did say draft. Okay, okay. So it can be publicized that there is a plan and here is the plan. We've talked about today speeding up the plan and funding the plan, but it's still a plan and it's just a draft. We don't want to see a bunch of social media stuff. There's no action until we bring it to you guys. Correct, correct. That's right. Okay. Correct, correct. That's right, okay. So, but that, but again. Yeah, we workshop, we workshop the plan. We're going to, we are going to have a special session meeting to come back to workshop the plan again, but everybody's got their directives for the plan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. But we supposed to have this special meeting next week. We have a council meeting Tuesday, right? Yeah, we're going to get everybody just give away the abilities, but I'm good and safe Friday. I'm not gonna tell them before two o'clock we can do it Monday. Well, I need time to post the attack on them. Well, you need to give staff time to go get their go-gets, right? We don't have time on them, but if you get a question, we're gonna be late. Are you referencing this one? I have one. Exactly. Are they referencing this one? Yes. That doesn't give anybody time. And then give you guys time to go get what you guys need to do. Because ultimately what they're going to be doing is, they're going to be collecting more data to prepare a Q&A for us to ask all of our detailed questions. So Monday is a bit of a stretch. Yeah, nothing that. So Kevin, we'll get on that. Everybody will give availability. We'll work it out. You're off on practice. It's done. Okay. Okay. Staff, let me just say thank you. A lot of work that you guys have done, so very much appreciated. And thank you, Council, for being here, being in attendance, and taking a Friday to go through this in great detail. And I do know our work doesn't stop here, as Councilman Carl Walsh said. There's a lot of review in the coming weeks as we digest this information. So I just wanted to say thank you to everybody. Thank you to public works for breakfast. It was much appreciated. Is it? It was a nice spot. Somebody said public works because public safety. Hey. I sure heard. I was going to try to steal our stuff. You know what? So someone lied to take credit. So thank you to public safety and I'm just going to still say thank you to public works. You know, they got a lot of work to do. Thank you for the water and the coffee. Okay. All right.