Mr. Sanable, start the work session. Place will lead in some moment silence for all call. The floor is Mr. Haas. Still up there, no? Yes. Ms. Krzyszowski? Yes. Mr. O'Loscavitz? Yes. Ms. McDermott? Yes. Mr. Perry? Yes. Mr. Sabatino? Yes. Ms. Smith? Yes. Ms. Stevenson? Mr. Thornton. Mr. Walgreens. Yes. Mr. Sabatino. Yes. Ms. Smith. Here. Ms. Stevenson. Here. Mr. Thornton. Mr. Woolovich. Here. Mr. Lombardo. Here. 10 of 11. Thank you. Any additions or deletions from the work section agenda? For the evening. Anything? Anything? All right. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. So they are a question to adopt the agenda. So we'll set it on favor. All right. All right. Post. Can this adopt it? Okay. The bill reports for February 25. Thank you. And usual. Any particular questions? I think email me. Text me. Call me. There are some. There are some matters that I want to discuss. The first are some events that are coming up in March. There will be a bingo with veterans, nursing, March 20th at 4.45 at the VA. That was an event that was spearheaded by Councilwoman Krasnowski to work with the GA and I want to thank Native Stone and Chemical Ocar for coordinating that. The next is that the opioid misuse and addiction abatement committee will have a town hall meeting in Hazelton and Hazelton City Hall on the 24th March 24th at 530. There are two other matters that I'd like to speak to right now that are not in the report. The first matter is that I want to specifically thank Scott Lundy, who came to our council meeting two weeks ago for providing information of an appraisal, and notice of the possibilities that the redevelopment authority will be posting in RFP. A face on that information that he provided, the county administration is conducting a comprehensive review of the current agreement, the redevelopment authority, which operates our rail system in Luzern County. We are committed to exploring viable options that will serve our community's best interests. As many of you may recall the county provided funding to redevelop Miss R.D. in 2001, because the authority was the danger of defaulting on its mortgage and losing ownership of the track. While we conduct this review, the administration will be asking that the redevelopment authority and the loser county rail corporation refrain from emptying it into any agreements for the next 60 days. I want to be clear, this is not to imply or insinuate that there is any wrong doing. This is our review of the agreement and subsequent payments that were made from the redevelopment authority to both community development and accounting. Reserve County deserves a rail system that maximally enhances our business opportunities. It is essential that we have infrastructure in place not only that supports but also drives economic growth. If the existing rail line is deemed inoperable, you must consider the development of Rails's trails initiative, offering a record-great-creational pathway that can boost tourism and community engagement while preserving the land. You must recognize that infrastructure not only includes roads, bridges, and airports, but also our railroads. The challenges we have faced today will hopefully improve over time. Our goal is to identify the status of the agreement and where Lucerne County stands with that original agreement. The second issue that I want to address specifically is that there are claims being made by certain county council candidates. The one who has stated that I plan to raise taxes by 5%. Let me be clear, this statement is completely and utterly false. As a voter and loser in county, I believe it is essential for candidates to speak the truth. And I take this responsibility seriously. I encourage voters to seek accurate information and to hold all candidates accountable for their claims. I never said I plan to raise taxes 5% and I never will. It seems there may be some confusion with my predecessors policies. But let me reiterate, these are not my plans. I am committed to transparency and fiscal responsibility. and I will continue to prioritize the needs of our county without imposing unnecessary tax burden. Another statement that this same candidate concerns the misconception that loser in county has $22 million in cash. 26, it was. It was a 26, I'm sorry. I made it in my gut. I'm going to seek it. To explain that we do not, I'm going to ask Mary Rosell, the division head of I'm going to find out to come to the podium. Oh my God. We're going for it. Rosal, the division had a budget of finance to come to the podium. I wish we had $26.9, so we can spend another $1.00. We do not. And I think the misconception is that the individual was talking about a fund balance. So what a fund balance is, is just like, you know, if you were a publicly traded company, right? Your assets have to equal your liabilities plus your own recycling. In government accounting, there's no one exactly who needs to fund balance. Okay, it's still a subbalance. So your total assets equal your liabilities plus their fund balance. So in our assets, if you look at our assets, the important of our assets are made up of ativables. At the end of the year, the 2023 audit would be the last audit that you can see online, currently doing this 2024 audit. But in 2023, which is the one that's published, the fund balance was actually $24.4 million in that budget, in that audit, not in the budget, not audit. So if you look at the receivables that were there at that point in time, the biggest number is your tax receivable. So on your 20-23 taxes are not all collected at the end of December. Some of that money still goes into January and February. So what happens when the auditors come in is they look at that, that money gets recorded back to 2023. So we record about an ounce, and we definitely receive a vote, which increases our assets, right? And that has balance. So increasing those assets, which is not cash, it's a receivable increase to its, your fund balance, because everything has to be well. In addition to that, there are other receivables that we have. We have receivables from the agencies, you know, so it's when being the majority of that receivable at the end of the year. Big number, there's another $1.98 receivables that are sitting thereables from the agencies, you know, shows where you've been the majority of that receivable at the end of the year. Big number. There's another $11 million receivables that are sitting there on the book except the end of 2023, as well as prepaid assets. None of those things that I just talked about are cash, right? They will turn into cash, because receivables would collect it, right? And eventually get the cash for them, though also have expenses that need to be paid. So fun balance is absolutely not your cash balance. The other thing is that the cabinet healthy fat balance is really important to maintain our credit rating, right? We now have an A bond rating, right? Which is really good. It actually allows us to borrow, not that we do want to borrow, but we're in a position where we can. And what we want? We want the triple it. We want the best rating. And there are, you know, one of the things that needs to occur is you need to have approximately two times, two months worth of new or expenditures as your fund balance in order for it to be considered a healthy fund balance. So if you look at 2023's budget, it was $146 million. 20% or two months worth of that would be 24.3 million. We had 24 million. So we're exactly where we need to be in order to maintain that healthy rating, but it is certainly not cash. So I know that was sort of a little accounting lesson I asked if you wanted to build a building. Well, that's pretty good. I mean, that's kind of the simplest way to explain that, right? Let's pretend we had that money and then spent the one with that. Well, then we would have the deficit and we would have a negative fund balance or credit rating would drop and we would obviously be back where we were several years ago and we did not have a name. Credit rating. Mary, thank you so much for that education. I'm okay. You like the work. Mary, thank you so much for that education. I'm so happy to hear you. You're welcome. All I know is I googled it. Ms. Rosal, and it's at 26 million dollars. Google, I'm covered fun balance. Well, I tell you that. Google said, if you look at Google said, we have that. Google said, if you go online, or 2023 is published online, you can see it there. I believe it's page 15, but I can say it's page 15. So I think it's a good time. You will see it with the, actually there's a restricted and an restricted time balance. So maybe, you know, that was 20, so I don't know, it's 2016. That's not, it's on the attic, so I don't know where it got on. Thank you very much for clearing all that up. Mr. Croak-Mult. Anybody else any questions for Mr. Resolone that? That was great. Okay, and just one comment really quickly on what manager Croak-Mult was saying about the rail system in the county. I actually looked into this a little bit last year. I did a little bit digging within the re-evalent authority about our rail system. A lot of residents I'll tell you have approached members of council about sort of reactivating some of those rail lines. And now that we have that recreational rail line in Greater Piston, which goes to Jim Thornton, I think that this is a really good time to restart that conversation reconnecting some of the old lines that we have our rail to trails in piston actually links right up into Volkswagen's area that all and that that rail system is actually owned by the redevelopment already so all of that does link through the entire the entire sesame and root of that you know the greater piston meets have a war have a war line, which was a really, you know, beautiful, light rail system. If we get something like that again, who's in our county, I think that would be tremendous for the economic development in this area, especially in the Wyoming Valley. And there's other areas in the county where we own rails as well. So that's something that I'm really interested in. I'm really glad that Mr. Lindy brought that up. And now we sort of, I've already started that conversation. We brought it to the public light. And I think that this is really going to be something positive for the county. If we can make the right moves and get some things going in the right direction. So thank you very much for making that public statement and to program on. Thank you, Mr. Lindy, for bringing that up to us. Okay. All right. Well, next up. So we will have a discussion regarding the resolution to renew the lease with the City of Nanoco from Magisterio District Court, 11-03-02. You have our court commissioner, Tom Payne, Mr. Heimarsh. Come on down. All right. Go on down. I don't know how I could follow that account. I'm on some phone. Fine, yeah. Thanks. I was looking out for a podium. So we have before news a renewal for the Enlase with the City of Manicok for a We have been the attendance of the city from I believe approximately 2005. As Kexlo and the things that got in Breyer, the city has graciously allowed us to use some additional space and now they're letting us use the council chambers or courtroom hearing purposes. So we respectfully, respectfully request. You consider this lease. I have any good questions. I have any comments. Any questions, Mr. Heimarch? All right, thank you very much. You know? Thank you. Finally, we have a discussion regarding the resolution providing tax exemption for new construction of deteriorating areas and then local and on the Fialization Tax Act. Good evening, County Council. Thank you for this opportunity to be here tonight. My name is Tom Williams with your point development And I'm joining here with my colleague of my install We're happy to Come back to County Council and talk about another exciting development project in New Surin County In your packet tonight should be the proposed draft resolution for consideration as well as some slides. And I'll head right into the slides right now if that's okay. Just to refresh everybody's memory, who North Point is? We are an industrial development company based out of Kansas City, Missouri. But we've been developing here in the Wyoming Valley and Lutheran County for about the last eight years. Overall our development portfolio is about 115 million square feet across the country. Again, we're a national development, industrial development company. There's about 10 million square feet of space across the country under development right now. And overall, we've had development projects in about 20-60s across the country and created over 100,000 jobs. Some of the second page of our slide just see some of the companies that we work closely with in their development realistic solutions. Onto the third page is to continue to highlight our Pennsylvania development experience. You can see the circles that are shown on the map there, which is Eastern Pennsylvania. And a lot of our development projects follow the Interstate 81 corridor. You can see there from the Stransom area, Nakawana County all the way down to the Pennsylvania border. But there is certainly a cluster in the Lutheran County area. We developed in Pennsylvania about 36 million square feet, about 14,000 jobs, and over $3 billion of private investment capital into these projects. There's a few testimonials on the left side of the slide as well. Moving on page four is intended to highlight our experience in New York County. We are really proud to have completed about 8 and a half million square feet of projects. Up that there's a million square feet that's available right now in the Hazleton area just south of the city predominantly in Hazleton City and portion of properties in Hazel Township. We have 15 companies that have been located in our development projects here in Luzurne County. Over 2,000 jobs created and a billion dollars of a private capital investment. We have more plans along that 424 corridor in Southern Luzurne County, south of the city of Hazleton that will be forthcoming in the future that we're really excited about. So moving on page five, we're here today to talk about a learner request for property in Hazelt Township. So the property identified is just north of the Humboldt North Industrial Park and it runs along in that area the northern boundary of Hazel Township. So the property really is entirely in the township and you can see the outline of their overall total property is about 1200 and 83 acres. What they're saying is one on the eastern boundary there. The project will have phasing to it and we'll get to that in just a moment. But what's intended to be shown here is of the total acreage of the property, less than 500 acres of that would be developed so it's around 472. And you can see that outlined in three phases the project would be brought together and brought online. That's what's being shown here on this slide. Moving on to page seven. So this project is known as Project Hazelknut. It is intended to be a data center campus with 15 data center buildings and some ancillary buildings within the the project. As I mentioned, the buildings will be delivered in three phases. Buildings, a phase one will have five buildings and those will likely be completed in late 2026. Phase two will have three buildings and that is intended to be delivered in early 2028 and phase three of seven buildings in the second quarter of 2029. The primary entrance to the project will be North Park Drive and extension of North Park Drive as it sits today so So that's the primary road. Walk of 924 that includes all of the humble north industrial park. So we will be utilizing that road. It's a tunchup road to be the primary entrance to the park. Another advantage of Project Tablinat is a low traffic projection. So data center projects and generally have reduced traffic from a normal industrial development project. So the primary vehicles that can be expected are really associated with employees and passenger vehicles. This is really very minimal truck traffic. Just a few daily deliveries but it's not a predominant portion of the truck projection here. Moving on to page 8, proposed word of request, we heard what the infrastructure committee, the feedback that was provided, and this is the projected schedule that we have revised. Initially, we had requested a 100% evaporation of the evaporation term. revised that to the 90% of the, of the abatement term, we've revised that to the 90% abatement for years 1 through 7, 80% in year 8, 70% in year 9 and 60% abatement in year 10. In addition, we're proposing to pay pay the county $2,500 of each development phase. So again, the portions of that property to be developed. And 50% of that payment would be at issuance of building permit. And 50% of that payment would be provided upon certificate of occupancy. So the payments per dislerter request would be upfront as each phase. It goes through the permit process and comes online. The estimated total payments to the county would be $1,180,000 upon full campus development. Moving on to page 9, construction jobs created. We're estimating about 500 construction jobs throughout the project. permanent job-stated also estimating around 900 for the project in total reserve county taxes that would be collected and tax revenue to the county over 20 years for this project would be $14,600,000 in change. Mr. Williams, I have a question for you. Certainly. If you have the answer to it, so each phase, do you know how many acres each phase will consist of? Yes, sir. Back on page six. I'm sorry. Yep. We could identify a clear bottle of data. I see it. 210 acres, phase two, 97, and phase three, the 165 acres. Okay. And you said half of that, 20, half of that, that stipend, essentially, whatever it is, will be paid up front. The other half will be upon completion of the phase. 50% at when that, at issuance of building permit, sure, right before construction starts, and then 50% at issuance of certificate of occupancy at the conclusion of construction. Okay, and that leads me into another question involving construction. We've actually recently been having other conversations about local labor in Wuzern County. What kind of labor do you think you'll be using during the construction phases? Will you be using local labor? I think as a rule, North Point tries to engage local contractors and local labor as much as possible. I think that the construction plan is not really set yet, but we are always looking for reliable and qualify for the Labor to be participants in the project. Thank you. Any other questions? Mr. Septino. Mr. Septino, then Mr. Hass. All right. Good evening, gentlemen. At one of the infrastructure committee meetings, you mentioned that you were going to be working to reinforce the electrical right in the area. Can you stand on with that means a little bit? Like how are you going to go about reinforcing the electrical grid to the state as far? Yeah, so that's really a up to PPL. So it's kind of a partnership of that PPL and whatever, you know, PPL would be, is analyzing their system, figuring out where transmission upgrades need to occur and really reinforcing their grid, their network, their power system with the guidance and approval of PGM as well. So, there isn't just one power line that runs throughout as a whole grid network and PPL again in cooperation and partnership with PGM works that process to make the transmission upgrades that are necessary for a project like this. Thank you. Mr. Hoss? Yeah, thank you Mr. Chairman. I'm fine with you William. I'm fine with you Mr. Stahl. Welcome back again. And sorry I can't be with you there in the flesh. You know, a member of the infrastructure unit, we should just present the two examples together and just really give a more point, just a fair forum to talk about this on a country-for-object and for the rest of you to do diligence as the committee. And there were some things like, and the Nina, the Council, a few days ago, and I'm hoping, and assuming I'll be read that, but there were just some extra-missing pieces of information that I was hoping that more point would have secured by the time of this work section. And the first one is that you saw on the PowerPoint slide show that there was 100 costs of construction jobs that are anticipated as well as not having permanent jobs. And we were hoping as a committee to nail down exactly what the permanent jobs would be like a job description, a list of those potential jobs. And then also what the salary, the scum at move look like. Obviously not, or it wants just to develop, or you are not the firm, it's going to come to occupy the site. But I know you're working in tandem with the potential occupied listening. So I don't know if gentlemen, if you could really first inform us to apply that to County Council, I don't think that's a big section of this, if this, actually that's an except for this and that. That's my first question. Certainly, Councilman Hots, yeah. And I do have some more points here that didn't make it into the slideshow today, but so as you mentioned, we're the developer, we're not the end user for the campus that hasn't been identified yet, but what we are able to kind of project what types of jobs would be assumed to be at a project like this. We have a data center operations manager that requires a bachelor's degree of an IT field or equivalent practical experience. Some are like five years of experience in computing infrastructure, network operating systems, two years of experience managing technical teams. And what I'm reading off really is information about what can be expected. This is not, this is sort of industry standard of what I've been able to gather. Again, we are not the end user. I can't say this is exactly for this site, but this is what kind of can be expected in a project like this. So a DC Operations Manager leads teams, maintains and execute security security operational procedures, repairs, fixes, performance preventative maintenance, equipment, servers, machines, etc. That job is roughly projected to be somewhere around $99,000 to $125,000 per year for a data center operations manager. Another example would be a data center technician position. This is hands-on or educational experience, including an associate's degree or equivalent experience in the 19 related field. Computer hardware, troubleshooting, repair skills experience, computer networking experience, and experience with different software platforms that might be applicable to the job. Work duties include hardware, network diagnostics, and repairs, assembling and installing equipment, maintaining inventory, development of scripts, updating servers and network hardware. The data center technician is projected to be somewhere between $60,000 and $85,000. So every year based on experience and the preference of the company. So those are the examples of positions that we might expect at a project like this. Okay, get many thanks. And again, we've been, we've seen passes present with different corpus that come here and they all are bad for the activator. long behold but a lot of these premises, they're in jobs that were materialized there. They're an entry-level wage. And it's very difficult. A lot of folks have to work two or three jobs to make these kinds of jobs work for the family situation. I was just hoping we could nail down some of the higher salaries that we really showed the true value of this project because I'm in this. Again, I just want to be very clear to the public and my colleagues there. I want to be adversarial because I really appreciate Mr. Williams and Mr. Stahl very much to do a good job and they're very forthcoming. However, the second question is, this more of a council debate? I would like to see this happen as well. It's just what these types of words have come by. When you have 90% tax evaporation for seven years, that's essentially the old school KOZ tax evaporation that you have 100% for 10 years. And I acknowledge wholeheartedly that Hazel and I project that this has different phases with different post-deal payments out to Lutheran County and that's very reminiscent to that one project who's South of Hazelton with that mine skirt man so that I fully appreciate. I still have a very difficult time with picking winners and losers on using County Council. I just really think it, it really hot ties. Those firms that would like to develop our lands and come to council before us and they just want to do a good job. With these kind of things, North Point, a few years ago, Mr. Miles, he actually will deal with Hazel with a panel of her nine, crafted this. And this thing out of the East End here is the same exact one that he proposed. And now somehow, this is now the new baseline. So I was hoping that gentlemen, you can make a massage this and make a little more eligible for for the taxpayers. If you take it back to your principals, again before we put this on the voting session and see if you can give us a little more half-life. Are there any thoughts on that? Mr. House, Brian, so I'll definitely appreciate your comments. We actually added in the pilot, though, which I think is a very significant subject to the last, the last learner that North Point had posed and was voted upon for this council. So when factoring in that pilot, which actually kicks in prior to tax year zero, because it would be due on issuance of a building permit before there's any actual improvements on the tax records. For the first phase, for example, when you factor in both the payment at the time of the building permit issuance and the time of certificate of occupancy, that's $525,000 split between. So actually, that would completely wipe out the first year and portion of the second year's worth of the payment under the proposed load schedule with that 90%. So we're really not, we're really waiting to see any kind of tax savings until year two and it would really be about 35% or so of that second year's taxes. So we actually modeled it after the last word of that council approved was 100% scheduled with high payments. So we did a good job at the Infrastructure Committee and Michigan. Well, we have the counties that we've done both the stepped up taxes, high to the gate, plus that high to payment. Secondly, comparing it to what's received now by the county, a lot of this property, although there's already a zone of industrial was enrolled in the cleaning green program. So there was a much lower tax basis that was being paid to the county. So immediately upon any kind of the earth moving activities, that cleaning green designation would roll off, and there would be a stepped up tax-based paid on the land for this project all throughout the history of learning from day one. So that would kick up to about $60,000 or so of different tax revenue realized on an invasive. Absolutely. So thank you so much because that's exactly what I was referencing and I I do acknowledge I should have a faith effort on that level and Again, this is why it's a more global issue here about these learners and about How the government gets involved in stepping on the sales and providing benefits for established corporations over those who Made it on have that luxury and but the third component here is just the nationwide we see these data centers coming up at Pickup Stadium and it's very lucrative right now. So I want to encourage my colleagues to, if we could collaboratively, collaboratively really do our due diligence and see that there's a lot of profit here in a data center and that for us to just all our leaders say, oh yeah we want development no matter what it costs we see dollar signs we see a new sinker level payments come in that if we can just make sure we get the best deal for the tax payers because we're in very many time that this is going to be picked up steam all across the country. We saw some there in the Salentownship recently and the infrastructure community will look at other areas around the country. The Northeast is still relative to doing perkter ground or something like this. So I just really hope that we can take a little wholesome group of all picture here and make sure we get the best value in the week. We don't just do something that has a name and say, we don't see a couple bucks here and clean that profitable where we might be saying goodbye to a lot of work. And again, that's not necessarily for you, Mr. Thomas, your one's for my colleagues. So aside from other environmental concerns that were raised, that's my kind of sister chair. Thanks for just chin. Thank you for it. Thank you, Mr. Osmond. Mr. Sevdino. One thing that was addressed here tonight by Mr. Rebo was the youthful water usage. I know in the infrastructure committee meeting, you guys mentioned that you were looking into a great water system. Do you have any update on that? Or can you speak through a little more? So, Mr. General, public listening to this, and what type of clothing system you want to use and what the potential to use spray water. Thank you. Sure. Great question and Mr. Rainbow, thanks for bringing it up as well. Data centers do have a water cooling component to the project. This project being located in Luzern County and Hazleton has a cooler climate than a place like Northern Virginia where a lot of data centers are already located. So we have a favorable climate that will contribute to more air cooling of a project like this then for example in Virginia but water cooling is likely to be a component of this project we are working on a partnership with the wastewater treatment plant in the Hazelton area to capture the treated effluent from the plant and convey it to the campus for cooling and then the discharged water would be likewise conveyed back to the treatment facility for further treatment and put it back into the system. So cooling water that would be potentially utilized at a site like this is not from wells. It's not from the public water system. The only public water utilized would be for bathrooms and essentially normal kind of operations of a facility but not a muculling process of what might be expected in the data center. We're excited about this partnership and this opportunity to think a little different and think outside the box and find an opportunity to Really make sure this this is environmentally friendly solution Steven said Thank you I do so question. Thinking outside the box along that line. You guys said that you guys are in 26 states building and completed projects, correct? Have you guys ever considered contributing housing to the counties that you operated? Great question. North Point does have a multifamily housing division. primarily in Kansas City in our own base. Some of a few other projects in St. Louis. does have a multifamily housing division is primarily in Kansas City in our our home base some a few other projects in St. Louis I think maybe also Cincinnati but Brian and I are continuing to talk to our folks and try to get them interested more interested in housing opportunity here in Northeastern Pennsylvania. So it's a conversation we continue to have. And as we personally believe there's housing opportunity here. Thank you. Any other questions? Ms. Kirstenowski? I didn't ask you when you have the infrastructure, but when she said that, because I did ask that question in the meeting, but are you going to have green spaces around the buildings, like green spaces for outdoor, if they employ you, let's sit outside or eat or lunch outside or do something outside? It's going to be enough of a green space, because you need, I think it's very healthy for the employee and the environment to have green spaces. Certainly, as noted earlier, the total acreage of the site is over 1200 acres and development footprint is less than 500. So it will be a large amount of green space in and around the campus and try to incorporate landscaping and outdoor friendly areas along with, you know, the end user kind of dictates some of that stuff as well, but certainly know that a green environment helps contribute to happy employees. So definitely want to make that part of the project as best we can. I need to just take it back and on that. I know we spoke of solar, and I know that wasn't really an option. But he's thinking, candy, maybe for the lighting of the parking lots, and doing like, minuscule things that you could use solar power to work. It's possible. We really haven't looked at that yet. I can tell you that the new technology and lighting and this dark sky lighting really and LED, frankly, uses so much less electricity than the traditional old light bulbs do. We believe that the lighting certainly will stay localized on the campus and potentially we could look at solar for light poles throughout the site to be determined. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, thanks, and I thought before the alert of revision, which you guys did a great job, thank you for that compromise. I'm here in that discussion and the impulse structure committee went very well. Hypothetically, if we would have said to you, before this letter of revision was presented, if you were, you know, you still had the first version and we said, would you consider contributing housing to the county at this time? What that have been taken into consideration? That's a really hard question to answer. You know, housing challenges, along with housing solutions, are, it's a vast landscape. So I'm not really sure how to provide, how to say if housing was a requirement, you know, how we would have reacted to that, but it's, I think it's a really, it's a broad topic and with lots of answer that. Ryan, can I ask a question? Is it starting to be a question? See you guys. I don't think they were done, but. But you want to finish off and yeah it's a complex question, you know, and there's a number of ways to attacking approach it really well. they were done for. Oh, I promise. But you want to finish off. Yeah, it's a complex question. And there's a number of ways to attack and approach it. Really one of the main ways is I think it's already been done both at a state level and a recognition at a local level to help the importance. So a very, very important topic. I think one of the big important drivers too is obviously increasing tax pay, but having increasing jobs and brings in the area of the body's opportunity and opportunity also attracts additional development in residential areas. So it's really a partnership at many levels. You know, it's at the private level but then it's also at a municipal level. Here at the county level I know you as the county are committed to that solution and at a state level. So it's a very big broad conversation and it's time to mention we talked about a lot, you know, with our folks, you know, our division. One thing we've really pride in ourselves on is doing what we do best, but also recognizing where we're not necessarily the best partner to execute on something like that. So in the multi-family division, you know, that home base right now, we're making sure we have a solid strong foundation in Kansas City, St. Louis, First Credit, Cincinnati. So they're making the right trend by coming east. But, you know, so we'll continue at it certainly and are absolutely willing to part of the conversation. You know, we believe that as a good corporate citizen here, we're here for long call. Tom and I both live here on the top, Tom's formerly from the top. So we're committed to those kind of solutions as well. We care about this community, so probably... corporate citizen here, and we're here for long call. Tom and I both live here on the top, Tom's formerly from the top. So we're committed to those kind of solutions as well. We care about this community, so we're obviously wanting to keep talking about it. And if there's a way that we can help, lend our expertise, whether that be in time, talent, or treasure, we're here for those kinds of conversations and look forward to seeing to have those. Thank you so much. I don't really get the opportunity to ask developers like yourself, what that would look like. That's fabulous. Thank you so much. I don't really get the opportunity to ask developers like yourself, what that would look like, hypothetically, putting that into the universe, right? So thank you for your response. Yes, it's a very broad topic, very large, right? Somebody moving pieces, but just to give that insight, means a lot. Thank you. Just to piggyback off that, could I ask my question? Okay, just piggyback on that. Every time that one of these letters comes up, this is one of the questions that gets asked is, you know, will it be housing or do you have a plan for housing? So, not really a statement towards both of you, although you're included in this, but any developer that's interested, we are chomping at the bit to assist with the housing project. truly are. This is something that while everybody on council seems to really want to do something, there's any developers in the area that would like to work with accounting on something like this, we're happy to have a conversation about it. But my question going back, what Miss Stevenson was asking is, can you, do you have any information, can you tell us a little bit about the housing initiatives that you have in those cities that you mentioned? Do you have any information on that? Do you share with us and what that looks like in Kansas City and in other cities that you mentioned? Yeah, absolutely. We can follow up, maybe before the next session, we can provide information just summarizing the types of housing projects that we have, what we've done, what they're model after. That would be amazing. Mr. Perry and then Mr. McCatchon. Well, for long this big by state, that's pretty brief. Thanks for coming. And both of you are coming to our meeting tonight. Welcome back. You great job that's nice working with North Point in the past and going forward. I like the fact that you thought again looking at out of the box and providing us with you know a 2500 per acre. similar to the Turika Alabama, and I think it's a failure that we gave the last order to the name of giving us a couple of $100,000 per building and following the same building permit to hold through that view back then. So I very much appreciate that. I think, again, you have proposed this, and I think going forward to all the alerters that are going to be coming down the line, that is something that we look forward to. And that's what's going to be. That we have taxpayers also look forward to. That's the way we have being in thousand dollars that you're going to get at the end of this project. And ten years, most pretty fast. I was involved with it. Eight years ago, on the north point down here, two more years, ten years is up. So down the line, you know, most of us won't be here, but who can have a look. So I appreciate that very much, thinking outside the box, and I think down the line, what is the talents of our brand, are you looking at that as it means to approve these orders, because that kind of stuff gets the money back to us really quickly. So again, thanks for coming. Thanks for your comment. Thanks, Ganesh. I just wanted to say thank you for sharpening your pencil, you know, to make this work. But in addition to that, I thank you for your honesty on the affordable housing. Because one of the things that always come up is that subject. But I'm here to tell you, and I think you can probably agree with this, that going forward until the cost of materials draw, houses are at $200 from better square foot. Dude, it's not gonna be such a thing unless it subsidizes affordable housing. It won't exist. Because materials are so expensive, that's the reason that the price is through the roof. Where there would be people building developments, because there's certainly a need like the risk throughout the country. I think the last time I heard is like 4.0 million home shortage throughout the country. So it's a real problem but of course the developers have to make money at least something to do it. So I think that's the biggest problem right now that people are faced with that we even want to take on that kind of project. I would also note that I did not mention affordable housing in that phrase. Thank you. Okay, I have that. I wasn't sure. Just a general comment to Duckdale Walker was what Mr. Harry said. It has been a long time goal of mine and many people on this council and the infrastructure committee to put out a schedule of what types of development we get, what types of considerations for where it is. And you know, there is something that we are going to be taking up in the next couple months, but it is also something that we weren't sure if there was an appetite for something like that on Council. So if you would email me and say you would like this for us to publish a word for a word that looks like this. A word for tech development, it would look like this. A word for manufacturing would look like this. That is something that we're happy to take on and put it out in the world. And then we might get attract developers to come to us and so wait for them to come to us. So going forward that is something that would be happening to take on. We all would. Alright, maybe else? Just one more statement. There is no conflict of interest related to County Council or anything else related to this project or or the North Point ownership of the property just making that statement. Thank you. Any other comments? All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Okay. Nothing else? Well, public comment. Mr. Ravel. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you Mr. Chairman members of the council. First of all I appreciate the worth of developers and their presentation As far as what was asked of them with pertains pertain to housing I've mentioned here a few times over the many years I've been here, and also on the webinar, which county manager Krokenmo said, and I would like to echo what she said, as far as the Chair, Mr. Lindy, and members of the Board of the Revealment Authority, with respect to the rail. I know since I recently had been off the board, but for many years we've dealt with that with the rail and I wholeheartedly agree with you, Mr. Chairman, as well with the rails, the rails and the trails and Mr. Liddy has been on the forefront of that for years. So I would echo what manager Prokomo said as far as the idea of doing that, exploring that and making a contribution. With respect to the developments and larders and I've set this to manager Prokomo for the years, I've said to members of Council over the years, Mr. Ozes, heard me say this many, many, many times and the reporters and ladies and gentlemen have come over the years. I'm more of a tip person that word up. I believe a tip would actually suit very well for, especially for large-scale housing, commercial housing, especially over the years, I can give you two examples, Mr. Chairman, real quick. You have software point that's been now extended and it's been pretty successful, I think. And if you're going go on even a larger scale like what Worth Point has proposed here for the data centers, the arena project. The arena project is still on the record from the state even as the most successful development project that Luzor and County underwent with regards to a program of that scale. So and you can use the money because it's an increment and it builds up over time. You can use it for capital projects or for large scale housing. So that's already built in when you try to dissect it from alerta. It's very tough because statutorily and also financially, unless you have a sidebar agreement, can't do that. But with a tip, it's already built in because each taxing body is getting money accrued over time in each spot. So I think that that is the be explored Mr. Chair and manager Korkamal. I've said this many, many times over the years and I think that needs to be done. Thank you. Maybe else would call the comment in the audience? Anybody on the Zoom? I got a text before saying Mr. Grantee was having an issue or raising his hand. Oh, there we go. All right, Mr. Grantee. Mr. Grantee, you can unmute yourself. There you go. Mr. Grantee? Mr. Grantee, you're difficulty. Apologies, Mr. Grante. If you like this video, please send us all counsels, your comments, that would be fine. I apologize that we're unable to hear you at this time. There's no chaos as our motion will be answered. Second, I'll favor. Hi. All of us, in return, thank you very much.