Moving on to item 15. Water pipe at the park. Thank you mayor the law of high scouting water district received a notice that there was a break or an issue with the main water line at the park so they reached out to us to let us know and they went out and did a little quick investigation to see Where it was it turned out to be on our side of the meter so we had to move forward with making an emergency repair of that main line because there were several park rentals lined up. There was actually a fundraiser for a nonprofit scheduled for that weekend. So we had to move forward with making the repair. So the city contracted with Coleman landscape to make the repair of the main water line. They ended up finding several pinholes and areas in a two inch copper main line area so they went in and replaced that particular line to get us back up and running and hopefully won't have any issues in the future due to the cost of it being over our signing authority. We have to bring it back to the City Council as an emergency work so the recommendation to Council tonight is to receive and file the report as a public record showing the nature of the emergency and the City Manager's authorization to proceed with the provision of the city's purchasing policy section 2.10.100C and public contracting code section 2.2050 and authorize the financial manager to amend the budget for $12,170 an account number 101 450 PWD 6610 for the mainline repair by Coleman landscaping. If you have any questions happy to answer them for you Any questions? May I have a motion? Make a motion that we receive and file the The report is written that we authorize. Sorry. That we authorize the finance manager of end that budget by the amount indicated $12,070 and they account indicated and for the mainline repair by Coleman's landscape. Second. Second. Mr. Bergman. Yes. Ingle Hartz, yes. Mr. Pespisa. Yes. And Mr. Cezula. Yes. Okay, item 16. Item 16 before you tonight is a proposal for the design for the fiscal year 2023, 24, and 24-25 street improvement projects that will be zone three and five. So the city works with our sub-consultant on a proposal type basis to move forward with the designs. This is related to our street improvement projects. We have worked to combine two years into one project. So this particular project will cover two sections and two areas and two years worth of work into one to see if we can gain some economies of scale. This was a recommendation brought forward by the Rhodes Committee to the council. Previously, it is recommended that we move forward with this particular process. So that combined project budget wise for the street repair maintenance, it has a total budget of $1,416,341. There is plan specification engineering, the design proposal of it. We have budgeted $123,160 for the project. There's also a construction management and inspection for the project is budgeted of $184,740 for a total for the two year combined budget for the street project of just over $1.7 million for it. The Rhodes Advisory Committee has spent quite a bit of time recently going through the plans, going through those two sections looking at the street sections to make a good proposal of the areas that we feel should be able to need the most amount of work and repair to be done and also look at what based off of recent proposals we could actually do within our budget constraints for actual construction costs for it. So that is, that's what we've reached out to our consultant to provide a proposal for it. As the attachment one is the proposal for it as a combined for the two years that, two projects and one design proposal for it. So they've provided a total proposal cost of $18,700. For that, I know you guys have received some comments related to the cost of the proposals for it. So if you look back at some of the last years that we've done design proposals for it. So in the 2021 project, design proposal was $78,500. Our 21, 22, the design proposal was $64,700. Our last project, the 22, 23, with the design proposal was $79,500. This one, if you look at it, is two projects in one, so it is two. So if you split this total cost into two projects that we would be normally doing, it works out to be about $79,350. If we were doing each project individually, which is fairly consistent with what we have seen cost-wise as far as proposals from MV5 related to the design of street improvement projects. If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. The dark black areas, what's going to be read down there is that's correct, right? Correct on the plans. Those are the areas where they're slated for improvements. So those are the areas that will be, all of those sections would be designed, grind and overlay is the proposed treatments for those areas. Now, obviously I'm sure the Rhodes committees looked at it and talked about it and everything, but that's, the Earthia road is, that's tough. I'm really concerned about, you know the rubbing back and the slough edge and all those things. That stretch of dorthia in particular is one that it's going to take quite a bit of attention to pay to what needs to be repaired. Sloughing is pretty significant in some areas along that roadway. They can talk about any retention at all along there or just rubbing it out. We have talked a little bit about the potential for retention along the side, but once we get into the design and actually cut back in to see how far we need to cut back some of those areas that will lead into the discussion of any sort of other potential things and maybe needed. In my opinion it's the worst road in the city to try to manage but okay. Are there any other questions of staff? Just a word I guess nebulous question about NV5 and engineering services. You know we spend a lot of money with them. Have we looked at bringing this work in-house as an option? I mean, it's, I mean, this right here, this amount right here is probably an excess of an FTE. Maybe we would have to look at if we want to hire a City engineer on staff But I mean we're we're almost paying for it though, right? Yes, and I assume that this isn't a full years worth of work No, and then the total cost is billable so it is it's not guaranteed, like that's the amount of money it is as we go through the process. It's our base, so it's not guaranteed that it's going to be $158,000. So in their history with us, is it ever less? It has been less, especially when we've looked at some of our past CM and inspection they have been less. A lot of times design typically does come in less. The last one we did was over, but we ended up redesigning that one a couple of times as we went through with the Rhodes Committee. And then after we had that really high bid, we went back and scaled that project, so we had to do more work to re-package that project down to it. All right. It's something I think we need to just keep our eye on because this seems like probably the fifth or sixth time we've had a conversation about the amount of money and be five in particular is charging this city for work. So I don't know if there's enough work there to justify bringing this in house but I mean if I recall correctly I think they're charging us $40,000 for the ramp over at the park. So when we look at- Right and they wanted 25,000 or something for the paving around the hella hydrant to design that. So I'm just I think it's worth maybe just thinking about that and seeing if that is a position that we want to think about given that none of this work is going to go away. We don't ever take bids on these. I know you favor working with them because they know the heights, but there's other engineering firms. There are other engineering firms out there. We could go to the RFP process and put it out and have people bid and choose from another company to do it. Isn't this the one that we, is this, was that a different project or they reduce their rate on it or is this the, I'm sorry. That's a project you're doing right now. Yeah, the 158 so they did come down and their price considerably. So when we did the CMM inspection for the project that kicked off today and we kicked off the Rose Project today, they did come back and went through it as we did this proposal as well. I worked with them on that aspect of it as well to try to scale it back down and make sure it is what it needs to be, no additional fluff for extras or above and beyond what really needs to be in there. Are there any more questions? I do have one card for public comment. Okay, we'll open it up. Sabrina Valentine. I just wanted to comment that I still have not seen a traffic light or three-way stop on Haas, Sianda and avocado crest that I believe was approved in January of 2020 and I understand there was delay with the pandemic but it's still not even been started. It was supposed to start the end of this month, Mr. Rafferty. I'm sorry, Mr. Wiltridge. So that one, it is in the works. So Council has a word and a contract for the company that is going to be doing the construction installation to it. They have completed the potholing to make sure everything will work. Poles and equipment and everything is on order. We're waiting for all those things to come in. The contractor has been looking at start times of actual like when they're going to go out to do the curb ramps and those aspects of it. It was supposed to be starting in October and November. Then it got shifted to February. We were back to January. Right now we're actually, earlier today, having a conversation with the contractor, having them actually start in November. It's to do the actual concrete part of it. So, but to run the conduits, put all concrete part of it. So, put the condo it's put all that part of it in potentially the end of November starting that construction part of it but the biggest aspect is we're waiting on polls the traffic controller and the cabinets. It's just long lead times on those ones but yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So, I'll pull it back to the council. So do we want to look at this further? Make the award? Tell them to go back and sharpen the pencil again? Well, I think the Rhodes Committee has thoroughly looked at this and discussed it. And you're talking about two years of projects here going into one. So I mean, I think we should move forward on it myself. I have a motion. I make a motion to move forward with the design of fiscal year 2023 and 2024. Sess 25 stream improvement projects is for zone three and zone five. Second. I'll second. Mr. Zazula. Yes. Mr. Pazula? Yes. Mr. Busbiza? Yes. Go heart see yes and Mr. Bergman? Yes. 17. Project updates. Does anybody have any questions on these? Do we want to? So I just have one question for the chief. Do we know what the delays are on the engine? I mean, it was supposed to be here in August, and now we're heading into next year it sounds like. That's correct. And is it, is the manufacturer giving us a reason why that? Is there a supply chain issue or are they just behind or what's the? At the left of the conference, there were representatives from Pierce at the, they were, they had vendors that come and Pierce was one of them. There's a three year waiting list for a custom order fire engine. So the fact that we were able to get something that they had off the shelf to still use the archival of funds and still be able to utilize that money to purchase something without the three year delay, I think we're fortunate. And my thought is that this kind of thing, I would always kind of take anything that the manufacturer says with a little grain of salt. It's being worked on, but a month delay to month delay on just actual delivery. There's still a lot more that needs to be done once we get the fire engine, i.e. equip it and get all of the brackets put in for all the different equipment that's gonna go on it. So we were supposed to go in October, at the end of this month, back to Wisconsin to see what the progress is. So the fact that we're only gonna be delayed a couple weeks for the trip, I think that's pretty fair. But I don't know what the reasoning is, probably they're overloaded. I think with orders. Okay. Have we seen any evidence that it actually exists? I mean, are they sending you pictures of it or? I haven't seen any pictures of it. But I will look into if they have to if they could take a screenshot of it or take a digital picture of it while. I'll talk to Ed about tomorrow. And then rafferty are we keeping Archilett's team aware of the progress? I mean, are they still tracking the grant? We haven't had a conversation recently with them, but as we are nearing more of a delivery timeline, actually Tom and I were just talking about reaching out with them and looking at once we know we're going to have it in scheduling an event that we can do for delivery of the engine, introduce it to the community and also thank Senator Archalota at that event. So as we're kind of narrowing down on when we actually be getting it, we're going to start those conversations a little more robustly about it. I just remember a year or so ago there was a lot of focus on making something happen quickly with that money. So I just want to make sure that we're meeting the senator's expectations around keeping him informed of the progress. So I don't want another surprise in the near future where he gets upset because we haven't been talking to him. We did recently have, there was an event and we were able to speak with the senator briefly at the event about the engine and all the things coming along. Okay. This is probably sort of silly but I know that our Mr. Norton was, our chief Norton was instrumental in helping get this. And did you know they actually have to match the paint to our existing engines, the different color reds? Yeah, we did provide that with the paint chip for that. And they're going to paint it exactly the same color as the timber wolf I believe. Who knows? All right. Any individual council member information items or reports? Any public comments on items not on the agenda? We're adjourned. Thank you all. I wonder if Mr. Weir still...