you All right. I'd like to call to order the public works and transportation commission regulars meeting. It's December 18th, 532. And can we get a roll call? Vice chair McConee here. Commissioner of the Lewis workers. She's absent tonight. She's ill for the record commissioner cow. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner of the House. Commissioner to item number two approval of the agenda. So actually, we discussed amending the agenda to move 8.3 up to right before the approval of the minutes. Can I get a motion for that amended amended motion or amendment. Motion to amend. Okay, can I get a second? Second. All right, we have a second down. Yeah, all in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. We have a approval. Okay. So then we'll move to that item. The selection of the public works and transportation, commission chair and vice chair. I'm looking to staff to take it from here. Good evening commissioners. My name is James Colin on the city clerk. And I'm just stepping in to provide some context for a decision that you will be making tonight regarding the procedure for the selection of the chair and vice chair. And so as a result of there being two open seats and one absent commissioner tonight, you have three options for when you want to select the Chair and the Vice Chair. The first option being tonight, you can select the chair of the vice chair as regular as you would regularly do. The only thing with that is that you won't, you'll have to choose among a smaller group. And then the second option would be to select them in January after the council appoints two new members and so at that point you'll have a full board and so that might be a route you can go as well and then the third option would be to actually choose somebody tonight of Chair and Levy's Chair and then choose somebody in May when they do another round of appointments. And so a little context behind that third choice. You might want to do that choice because as it currently sits the board usually selects the Chair and Levy's Chair at the same time when they're doing the the board usually selects the chair and the vice chair at the same time when they're doing the appointment of new board members, which usually happens in May. And so to reset that cadence, you may want to select that option. And so with that third option, you would be selecting a chair and the vice chair tonight, just so you can have a vice chair. Because currently I think Mr. McConey is the chair, but you don't have a technically a vice chair. And so that might be an option. So yeah, if anybody wants to make a motion to choose any of those, or if any commissioners have any questions regarding those options, I'm happy to answer. All right. Thank you, James. Any questions from the commissioners? Okay. Any anyone want would like to make a motion for one of those three options? I'd like to make a motion for option three like the hybrid approach where we choose the chair and vice chair tonight, within their understanding that the commission gets back to the normal cadence in May of 2025. A second. Okay, we got a second. All right. So we have a motion and it's been seconded for the third option. So we will choose a point, a new chair and vice chair tonight. And then in May, we will appoint a new vice chair and chair, a chair and vice chair to sync up the cadence with the regular appointment of councilman of commission, commissioners. Okay. So with that, so we'll take a vote on this and then we'll jump into that if it passes, right? Okay, so all in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. So do we need to, I guess we all unanimously approve. So, okay. All right. So do we need to give it back to you, James, to explain the process for appointing a chair. I believe Ms. Went will go over that. Yeah, sure. Okay. Thank you. Vice Chair and Chair members of the Commission. We have a in your report tonight. You have your nomination process and I'll read out that. Staff recommendation is the following nomination process and a selection by majority vote. The chair shall ask the committee for nominations for the position of the new chair. Any of the other committee members may nominate someone other than her or himself, including I'm sorry, including the sitting chair for the position. The chair should ask each nominated committee member if she or he's willing to serve before declaring that person nominated. If there are no nomination, the chair may make a nomination. When it appears that no further nomination will be made, will be made, the chair shall announce that the nominations are close. If only committee members has been nominated, the committee shall call for a vote on the nomination. The nominated committee member must receive three affirmative votes to be selected as a chair. If more than one committee members has been nominated, the chair shall call for a vote of the first person nominated. If that candidate selected the new chair and the voting concludes, if not, the chair shall call for a vote for the second candidate in the same manner. If the candidate receiving three or more votes shall be declared the chair. The process stand repeats for the position of the vice mayor among the remaining of the committee members. That concludes my report. All right. Thank you, Salani. Before we open requests for nominations, are there any questions from the commission on how the process works? Okay. Big set is a no. No. All right. And with that, I'm going sure if you're looking at your commission there. I nominate Chris. For chair. All right. Chris. Would you like to be. Chair of the commission. Yes. Okay. So we have not one nomination and that person has accepted. Are there any other nominations of a different commissioner to chair? Okay. There are no other nominations. So the nomination is Chris Kyle to chair, but we can take a vote on it. Okay. All right, so you, so on you want to take us through that? Do we need to take a roll call or do we can, can I just, okay? We already second the motion, right? Do we need a second for nomination? Or do we need a second to vote? We need a second. Okay, so we need a second of that. That we're going to. Okay. I second the nomination of Chris. Okay. Thank you, Stephanie. All right. We have one second. Check off for vote. Vice chair. McConee. Yes. Commissioner cow. Yes. Commissioner Crifin. Yes. Commissioner Cowell. Yes. Commissioner Creeford. Yes. Commissioner Patel. Yes. And Commissioner Wilkerson. Yes. It's unanimously. The vote passed by 4-0. Okay. Thank you. Thank you,ers. All right, I'd like to open nominations for Vice Chair. I'd like to nominate OCEA Patel for Vice Chair. Right, we have a motion for OCEA Patel to be vice chair. Do we have a second? Second. And we have a second. All right. Okay. We have a motion in a second to vote for OCEA Patel to be vice chair. Can we get a roll call? Yes, if you can call out the votes. Vice chair. Makoni. Yes. Commissioner Cal. Yes. Commissioner Griffin. Yes. Commissioner Patel. Yes. And Commissioner Wilkerson. Absolutely. Commissioner DeBora Lewis is absent tonight. All right. So it's officially Chris, Chris Kauser, the chair and Asia is the vice chair. So do I hand the gavel and he takes care of the meeting from here on out? That's correct. I like how that works. All right, thank you commissioners. That was very efficient and effective. Okay, thank you fellow commissioners. So that was 0.8.3 and we will go back to so that was we did two approval of the agenda 8.3 and now we are at a full point three approval of the minutes 3.1 for the meeting minutes of November 20th 2024. So the recommendation here is approval of the minutes. Did any commissioners have any comments on these minutes? No comments. I like to make a motion to approve the minutes from November 20th, 2024. Second. Okay, and all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, unanimously approved. Moving to bullpoint number four, public comment. Okay, we have. Yes. Okay. And then let me also check the Zoom webinar as well. Okay. Yeah. I'm a panelist now. But I'm not seeing any hands raised in the audience. Okay, yeah, same here. Yeah, you can press the button. I'll put the title. You guys should do a different city can. Michael principal. Do what you want. Mike Francois here, the president of East Palo Alto, 224 Gardino way. My concerns here. Because it goes over the city council's head. Other streets here with that are. I think every have from if think every from the birds I view, the cross, there should be crosswalks that you can see from a plane around all the schools that stand out. We reflect their lights on it. If you're ever driven in the city at night when it's raining hard and these black streets, you can't see anything until you write up on top of it. And I think from what I've seen, and they have it in that new section over there, that the first, okay, if you have a crosswalk here and people walking here, back should be four feet back should be a space. Then the word stop. Why is that four feet? Because it's painted with that paint when you stop on that paint car slides little if they're going to pass. If it's wet you slide on it. And that means right now they have them a foot away or so, I mean, it was slide right into a crosswalk. Unless you have kids or you're not out there in the morning, you will not understand it, okay morning, you will not understand it. Okay. And that's not your fault. You know, you just not out there. And I see him. I'm watching people cut through the streets and trying to cut through East Pellath, so I'll use it as a, you know, a quick way in and a quick way out. And we have a lot of kids in the city. We got these schools here, here, this street, this street, and they're crisscrossed and like this. And the streets should have the markers on them. So if it's hard to see at night and people are doing like this when they drive, it don't make them any closer. It will at least keep them in a line. Because a lot of people are looking for white lights. Go by the Sherveryn station at night and see if you can see the streets. I mean, if you come out of, if you're coming from the base, you're this way, and you're coming towards the Sherveryn station, look at the streets at night. You cannot see the lines that separate. You don't know what is left, what is right. You can't see if it rains bad or if it's really dark I'm just doing it for safety You know, I think the crosswalk should be bigger and the cars should stop back farther Because if they can stop at that line Because a lot of people stop they want it. They think they have to stop right on the stop Stop before the white line then they can creep up Because I think somebody's gonna get get hit and get her right. That's just my opinion. Thank you. Thanks for your comment. All right. Thank you. I didn't know you guys meet. Just once a month or twice a month. It's once a month. I'll in the Wednesdays. Every third Wednesday and we start out 530. Okay. I'll run at night and drive around at night because I'm handing out so I see these things. So I'm just trying to keep you guys informed. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And Michael, I did want to let you know that our next, our next item is going to be a special presentation on the East Bay Shoreacior road improvement plan for pedestrians You had mentioned eSpacior in Euclid. That's a block outside the project, but you may find the next presentation interesting So I just want to invite you to stay if you have time Are there okay, I don't see any raised hands online Seeing none okay, so I will move to the next agenda item then Which is five special president James 5.1 We're receiving a presentation from CSG consultant staff on the status of the East Bayshore Road pedestrian and cyclist safety improvements project. Thank you and I'm joined with Michael. Michael if you could share your screen please I can kick us off. We can't see it yet. Okay. Now we can see it. Thank you, Michael. Good evening, everyone. As Christ just mentioned tonight, we're going to be presenting an informational item is the consultant who is doing the design for this project. So with that, next slide, please. So just a bit of the presentation outline, where we're gonna go through the project background and goals, existing conditions, proposed improvements, and then project status and next steps. Sorry, with that I'll pass it to my goal. Let me know if that voice sound is good. I'll start with the project background and goals. This is the location of our project. It's just north of the 101. It's essentially a frontage road. It mixed with the residential and also some commercial. It's eight blocks on the west side. Confirm is at Monalto Avenue. And heading east, it's eight blocks east. It conforms at Euclid Avenue. Project, again, specifically the project background and goals. Euclid Avenue. Project again specifically the project background and goals. East Bay Shore is a major connector street. Traffic calming is desired as slow speed and provides safe and I can convene pedestrian access, which is key priority to the city. And unfortunately, there have been two fatalities on this corridor in the past, within recent years. It brings us to our project goals. We wanna implement bicycle and pedestrian safety and accessibility along this corridor. We wanna build the pedestrian connectivity to local businesses and residential areas. And then of course for traffic vehicles, we want to enhance traffic calming and slow the cars down and eliminate traffic accidents. With that, the tools going to give a little bit of background on the project funding? Yeah, so just on a high level, this project is a City Council priority for bicycle and pedestrian improvements because it helps create and a safe and comfortable pedestrian network. And also we'll be implementing some cyclist improvements. So it kind of helps me one of the City Council priorities just a bit about the project funding. The design, we did receive San Mateo County TA cycle six grant. It's from using measure AW funds for the actual design process. So we received 400K, which we're using. And we brought on CSG to be able to do the design. And we have been working on securing construction funds. So then we can start the construction on the project once design is complete. We secured 625K of MTC lifeline transportation funds, 850K of HUD transportation appropriations and then we recently were notified that we got 1.25 million of cycle seven San Mateo County Transportation Authority funds and those are all for the construction of the project. We just have a slight funding gap but we did submit a grant application a few months ago so we're waiting so we're hopeful and if we get that we will have all the construction funds we need to be able to start construction in the spring. So just wanted to provide a bit of information on funding and with that I'll pass it back to Michael. Just the elements that we look for for both the pedestrian and the bicycle improvements. Of course, a continuous sidewalk is fundamental to this project. As is ADA accessibility at the corners we're going to have ADA curb grants. As is of course bicycle improvements. So we'll have class two facilities and also class three Cheryl facilities. And you can see some of the tools that we use there and onto the right of the screen. In these photos to the right of the picture here are actually on Addison, which is directly adjacent to this project. So just kind of emphasize that green infrastructure is a local priority as is a regional, a San Mateo County priority and that'll be implemented in this project. And these are some more examples with the green infrastructure. With that, I'll go over some, what do we have today, the existing conditions? So you see these four photos to the right of the image. That's what it looks like today. No sidewalks, street lights, and most of the majority of the segments of this eight block corridor. No ADA compliant perps at the intersections. It's common for cars to cut through. This was part of 2020 EPA mobility study. It was performed, they studied this area, included this area, and came into the determination that there was some cut through traffic. So, calming is really a key element here in traffic calming. And then residents heavily use the shoulders as parking areas, which further exacerbate the lack of formal pedestrian and bicycle facilities on this corridor. These pictures to the right, these three images show some of the local commercial, local businesses in the corridor. East, the East Palo Alto's goal is to work within the city right of way, so we don't impact or take right away. The city reached out to the businesses, outreach is a critical component of this project, very important component of this project city reached out to the local businesses individually that are affected by the city right away changes. But that I'll go into the proposed improvements. Here we have a cross section. This is a typical cross section of what we're proposing to do. You'll see to the left of the image we have a nice sidewalk. Then flanking the the roadway corridor we have class two bikeways on either side of the road heading to both east and west along the corridor. And then in the center of the image you'll see two 11 foot lanes. These are a little bit narrower and well delineated lanes. This helps cars. Number one, know that there's other transportation users in the area, right? There's bicyclists and pedestrians in the area and then number two is the narrow lane kind of calms the traffic, skids cars, encourages them to slow down a little bit. Next image is basically the same thing, but we show one of the bioretension areas along the sidewalk corridor, this is to the left here. Bioretension. The next five slides I have a plan view of the same, to the left here. I always change. The next five slides I have a plan view the same, basically the entire project starting on the west side, Minolta Avenue. This is the project limits here to the left, to the west. And then I'm just gonna go through some of the key elements that were designing as part of this project and the improvements. Of course, lighting, street lighting is a key element that we're going to space them evenly for uniformity, as well as place sidewalk curve and gutter driveways, ADA compliant curvebramps, so really an emphasis on the pedestrian corridor. There's top note here and then going down to the bottom, this is of course a class two bikeways and with green paint elements along the way at key locations and analysis, again, the bioreattention that I had just mentioned. Moving down the corridor towards the east, same elements. These are the, you can see the notes of the same elements, the lighting, the class two bikes, the sidewalk corridor, the green infrastructure, the crosswalks, the ramps, the ADA ramps, ADA compliant corridor. On this first street, this is Addison. That has a good example of a project that just received brand new sidewalks and also green infrastructure. So that's a good example as the photo that I had shown earlier. That's actually on this side street. Listen. Again, moving to the east along the corridor. These are the next several blocks. Dumbarton, Lincoln, same elements, then down the Glenway. After we pass Glenway to the east, that's kind of the final block in the corridor. We're going to transition the class two bikeways into a class three share row. And that's at the approach where there's an existing corridor with with sharrows, class three bike lanes, you'll see on the next slide here, as we approach Euclid, there's there's a shero to the east, Euclid, Euclid, excuse me, Euclid, with that, that's the that's the eight block corridor that we're improving. If you look to the lower right hand corner of the image, there's a street light and also a little tree with a tree grade. So those are elements that we've borrowed from the Bay Road project. And the lighting will look very similar to this lighting along, you can see that today existing on Bay Road. And we won't have this pedestrian element or focus on the light, which will also give light to the crosswalks and the sidewalks, but we really don't want to encourage the light towards the residential areas. We want to keep them unbondered as much as possible. So we'll mostly focus on the stream facing light. And in this tree, I'll show you some more examples on our next slide. So here's some examples of street trees that we could potentially use on this project. We're looking for all the areas that we can to install trees right now. We have if you look at this image on the upper portion of this slide, you'll see five little gray areas here. Those are proposed trees. So I think we have at least a 20 proposed right now through the project. They were looking at and then we're going to those will work also with the landscape green infrastructure zones. So you'll see that this is a little green infrastructure area and then we follow it up with five trees wherever we can. City we have been in talks with the local community group canopy to further look into the recommended tree species. As shown on the lower right hand corner of the image, those are a great myrtle and a jackaranda. Those are two potential types of trees. And then this shows some planting details for those trees. And then this shows some planting details for those trees. We'll use soil amendments and also tree grates. So this, this image shows two types of tree grates. One is shown in the county standard and then this one on the lower left and corner that says Chinook. That's the same type that is used on the bay roads. So you go out there, walk bay road and see this type of decoration and that's a potential for the type to use on this project. Without a mellowly to the final section project status and next steps. On May 29th, we held our first public meeting. As I mentioned, public outreach is a very important part of this project. It was held in the city hall, the same room that this meeting's held in. We did receive comments from the public. We presented a PowerPoint presentation, which I think might still be up on the project website. And we did received comments. So these are just some sample comments. Folks did want to see trees along the corridor. And we definitely listened to that comment. They were definitely a positive in terms of sidewalks. And then of course today there's a lot of cars parked there. And the public said that they'd really rather emphasize the other modes of transportation rather than the cars. So that was a strong element within the public meeting. We did invite the residents at that public meeting to, of course, make comments, as I mentioned, and they were given an opportunity to write down specific comments on Post-it notes and then kind of post it on a map of the project or kind of visual exhibit. So these are examples of some of those comments that we did receive. And then as a follow up to the first public meeting on May 29th, the city staff did send out a survey online, thinking that maybe that was convenient for some folks. We did receive comments via that online survey. So that was helpful, that's good. City mailed out neighborhood wide maillars, online survey results, 78% supported removing the on street parking to install the bike facilities, the class two bike lanes. Respondents of the survey did rank pedestrian improvements as the highest priority element. Staff made multiple attempts to reach out to affected businesses and residences. Excuse me, residents, residents. Staff set up several meetings with businesses to discuss the specifics at their, you know, in the frontage of their specific business entity. With that, I'll hand over the presentation to Patul and she'll give you kind of where we're at and where we're going. Thanks, Michael. Just to orient ourselves, we are 2020 for and we're giving our presented, giving our update to the commission on where we're at with the design. We're aiming to finish the final PSNE package by the end of the year. And so then we can come back in the spring summer to get authorization from the Public Works and Transportation Commission. And then following that, we would go to City Council to be able to bid out the project. So we're aiming to do that in the new year. And then once we get authorization from the commission and council, we will be awarding the construction contract and then beginning construction. We're aiming to, you know, or we're, we're, we're see that we'll probably begin construction maybe late spring, hopefully early summer. So that's kind of our project timeline right now. And then with that, we can go to the next slide. So we want to thank everyone. And then we will take questions and comments or pass it back to the chair. Okay, thank you, Michael, but tool for the presentation. Do any commissioners have any questions? I do. Okay, I think just want to take a quick pause for a sec. I guess before we didn't agree on whether we do hand rays or lights, but I'm proposing that we just go by the lights. So if yeah, so just in general, someone wants to speak, just press the light and then I'll use that or you can wave to me and I'll try and see you. So first commissioner Wilkerson. Yeah, this is very interesting to me. You said this was set out citywide. I didn't receive one. Not citywide. We sent it to the Palao Alto park neighborhood. So we went we sent mail or card to the where the Palao Alto park neighborhood. Okay, so that's where it's going to be located. Yeah, yeah, because the project they citywide. No, no, no, not citywide. It was to that neighborhood. It's because I mean after that is the sound wall, but we wanted to reach out to that entire area. We actually went a couple blocks up to make sure even though they won't really directly be impacted or some of the ones that are further up north, we still sent the mailers to notify them of the outreach meeting that we were doing. And then we also had a link to the survey for those who couldn't attend. Okay. Oh, I can understand. We only 2.5 square miles in your targeting that. And that makes sense. I'll forgive you. Because there's only 2.5 square miles in it. To me, the city citizens should know everything that's going on everywhere. But it saves money too. Right now it's not real big concern. So let that neighborhood enjoy their work. Yeah, so we actually, we sent notifications via like the newsletter, Facebook, those channels, citywide. But yeah, we just wanted to make extra effort for the direction of the council. Actually, they directed us to specifically make sure to send physical mailers to the Paul also Park neighborhood. Oh, okay. My other question is the, the species of the trees. I'm really shocked at this because I've been advocating for sheet trees for a long time. Yeah, so I don't want to fixate too much on the tree species because these are just suggested and we're still working with canopy, but if you will take your suggestions to canopy as well, and then when we come back to approve the PSNP package, we'll have a landscaping plan that'll show the selected tree. So canopy brought up the species? No, I think these species were recommended by our design team, but I'm still waiting to hear back from Canopy, because I did reach out to them a few weeks ago to get their suggestions and recommendation on, like, what won't lift sidewalk, what is easy to maintain while also having... Well, they were talking about thirsty trees one time. I've heard Canopy speak maybe three or four times, and it seems like somebody gave them the perception that they think we're low income city, but we're not totally low income. And we like to cut corners to save money. And they kept talking about thirsty trees, thirsty trees. And a lot of people want ecstatics. And I have been advocating for sheet trees that have about three or four colors. I love them. And I would go to the console and say, Hey, put those in. And with the new console, I'm getting excited. I think they'll agree with me too. Yeah, I'll definitely as a follow up, I'll follow up with canopy. And I'll add that to the mix of trees and see what they say. Uh-huh. But yeah, thanks for that. I'm going to beautify this follow-out toe, 2.5 square miles. That's all we got. Make it pretty to come to. Um, that's all. I'm just said that it's going to take that long, but that's that's not a few months away. This is December. This is already next year. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Okay. Next is it's Commissioner McConey. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Michael and Batua for putting the presentation for us to receive today and looking at the original or the couple first slides, I can tell that that safety is one of the factors in this design for, but for the whole, I think you were talking about the financial side of it, the funding acquired to date and what is needed. Can you talk about that? I did see the slides by didn't catch. Yeah, so we have about, I wanna say, 3.4 million secured. I think Michael correct me if I'm wrong. The estimate that we have for the 100% is closer to like 3.9. But a few months ago, we did have this estimate from CSG. And so we use that as part of a grant application to kind of get the last couple hundred thousand dollars. But yeah, for now we have about three point something million for construction. I think the original estimate when the city kind of had this in their CIP was, you know, they thought it'd be like a two million dollar project, but we started to incorporate a lot of other elements like lighting and then green infrastructure and then trees. So and then some like drainage improvements. So that increased the estimate a little. But we honestly, I'm we're confident that the application we put in it was a strong application. So in hopefully the next month or two, we'll find out if we were awarded that. Okay. And then on the east sideway we were building sidewalks. It looks like we may need to acquire private property or actually all the work is in city right away. What's happening is a lot of the businesses are actually encroaching on city right away. So what happens is like they have a lot of them have like their parking stalls in our right way. So they back up into the street and stuff like that. So all the work is in city right of way. We have reached out to all them multiple times and some of like the businesses and the church and the residents. So I've met up with a few of them to kind of talk about because obviously we're adding a sidewalk. So that's changing how their parking lot is. But we were working with them to kind of see where they want their driveway and obviously we don't want to impact their business, but it's a safety improvement project and we need to install sidewalk. So we've been trying to be as accommodating as possible, but yeah where you would be impacting business right away. It's all city. It's all yeah, it's all city property. I think for some businesses, they're the stalls that they have like our half of them are actually in the right away. So then they're just going to have there's going to have to be some striping changes in their parking lot. But yeah, we've been trying to reach out as much as possible. I went in person actually a few months ago to talk to them also for the ones that we haven't heard back from, but yeah, everything's in city right away. But a lot of people are encroaching. That's kind of why it looks like we will be on private property, but yeah, we're not. If a business feels that outside of what, it's a city property, outside of that, but if a business feels that this will impact their bottom line, there are any discussions or how would the city go about? Maybe. Yeah, so when we had our meetings with them, the discussions that we had was like, hey, like, for example, so yeah, when we had our meetings with them, the discussions that we had was like, hey, like, for example, the church, they are losing a few parking spots. So when I'm out with them, we were kind of going through different scenarios on like, where to place the driveway. So then like, there's good circulation. And so I kind of, we kind of worked with them on that. That's why we were trying to reach out. We reach out to the multiple times, like we went in person a few times, even when we weren't hearing back because obviously in some situations there, there will be some impacts unfortunately. But is because businesses have been using the city right of way. I mean, it is part of it is safety concern because for some of those parking they actually, when they back up, they literally back up into East Bay Shore. So that can, that has some, you know, could be a safety concern. But yeah, we've been trying to work with them as much as possible. Yeah. Okay. And then the lighting, I noticed it on the east side of, of Bay Shore Road, is there been lighting on the west side as well or? So the existing conditions are there are street light mass storms on the PG&E wooden poles. I don't know if they're in this shows in the existing conditions, but what we're proposing is putting some on the opposite side. So like on the sidewalk throughout the corridor. You don't necessarily need to have lighting on both sides of the street, but what we're doing is we're adding, because obviously right now it's all on the sound wall side on existing PG&E poles, but we wanna do consistent like actual street lights throughout the corridor. So that's why we're adding additional on the side where the sidewalk is. Yeah. Yeah, there's a few on the PG&E polls that are existing. I didn't see just remind me. I didn't see a lighting plan in the project drawings that shows the coverage. Is there one in there? Michael, correct me if I'm wrong. I know there was some information in the 100% plan, but yeah, when we come back with the full package, everything will for sure be there. But yeah, it's not a part of the package per se, but it's a separate submit on. So we do have a photo metrics analysis. Okay. Okay. And then one last question. One of my comments, I think when this during the was the May community input, that was there are utility boxes along the the sound wall and you know working with with those utilities or service providers to put up ballers to so that you know cars wouldn't run into them and affect those utilities or you know in the spirit of just making that road much more safer. So I don't know if that was, comment was received or if that issue was discussed at any point. So we're not doing, I don't think, I mean Michael also correct me if I'm wrong, but on the sound wall side, we're not really touching anything there. I believe notifications did go out early on in the project design phase two, all the utility providers that we are doing this work. But yeah, our we don't have any plans to be to add ballers to the utility boxes that are on the sound wall side. Yeah, the focus of this project really is pedestrian cyclist improvements, all these other stuff are like nice to have. and the other things that we're going to do is get the pedestrian cyclist improvements. All these other stuff are like nice to have. But our goal or like big focus is improving pedestrian safety and then cyclist safety. Thank you. Commissioner Griffin. Yes. I had a question because you were saying that the parking in front of those businesses that city city own parking So it's some of I mean those some of their parking spots Not all of them, but are encroaching on city right away So like maybe like half of the spot is like on their property But like the other half is actually city right away if you look at the striping that's out there It doesn't really reflect the actual right-of-way line a lot of half is actually city right of way. If you look at the striping that's out there, it doesn't really reflect the actual right of way line. A lot of it is actually in the city right of way. So as part of the first thing that happened as part of this project was a survey or one out, a CSG survey or one out, and surveyed the whole corridor to figure out where actual right of way line is. Okay. And will those businesses have parking in the back of the buildings? Some of them have, I like the pizza parlor has like a parking on the side and most of them have parking on their like actual property because I think that's part of like when they develop they really have some stalls on their property. Okay, thank you. Okay, I'll ask some questions as well. So I think in general I'm very happy about the design that there's a dedicated bike lane. I like how there's trees since I didn't see that in the 100% plans yet until tonight. And I think this will have a lot of benefit since it's complimentary to our new University Avenue pedestrian bridge, which allows the residents in Palto parks from Midtown to have that nice kind of fastest route walking over to the new bridge or biking over. So I think that's nice. I had a question for Michael about you underground utilities. So when I looked at the engineering plan, it wasn't clear to me if any sanitary sewer lines run directly under the proposed sidewalks or right under the road but not under the sidewalks. And the reason I ask is from some previous council meetings, it looks like there's some active work replacing potentially broken sanitary sewer lines. And I'm wondering if if public works were to find any, How would we, how would the city go about repairing them with sidewalks on top of them and such? Well, I mean, super nice too, you know, exist under sidewalks, the ladders, the private ladders serving the local businesses and the homes in general. So I mean, it could be that they can replace the line without a full trench, right? They call it trenchless improvements. Or if it is, it comes to be that there has to be an open trench yet, we're definitely impact the the sidewalk. Does that answer your question? I also did want to add that typically before construction, I mean, throughout the design process. We send notifications as I mentioned to utility providers. So then they can come out and do work before we do work. So we do this like the annual street or surfacing or like in this case. So then they know, hey, we're about to do this work. This is what we're planning to do. If you have any work that you wanna do before we come in, we kind of give them that heads up and then usually throughout the process we'll also send them like 100% plan set. So then they know exactly what we're doing and then, because obviously we don't wanna do something and then have them come in a few months later and like cut the sidewalk or street open. So we always coordinate with other utility providers so they're aware. And then if they have work that they want to do, they can go in and do it before us. Thank you. And my other question for Betul was I think Betul when you're talking about the last slide or second to last slide on timeline, I thought it heard you say something about spring summer gets, will try and get authorization. Did you mean to say January by chance? So I tentatively want to bring the PSNIA approval to the February commission and then also following February council meeting. And so then once I get that approval, we could bid out the project line. I'm hoping to. Well, that's when I'm planning to tentatively bring back the item. Did any other commissioners have any questions? Do we have any public comments? Any slips? There are no public comments. I'm going to ask you to do a quick review of the item. any questions? Do we have any public comments? Any slips? There are no public comments. I think we have one in person. If you have a speaker slip, you can turn that into Salani. And I don't see anyone. You want to speak this? I'm going to do it real fast. I think you forgive me a little of time you guys do give me. If you're going to do the streets, I talk hallways for a merrill this. It looks really ridiculous when you go up and exit the federal government for money to do the streets. And you cover the streets. And now you're going to go back 10 years later and ask for money to be in the middle of the the streets and you cover the streets and now you're going to go back 10 years later and ask for money to do the streets because you're going to do the pipes. I told him if I was sitting there and I'm the one who's typing, I would see, I've paid you once, you want me to pay you again, we're giving you people a chance to run your city and you just doing everything backwards. Put your pipes in first, then do the streets. If the sidewalk you were tearing up or pulling out, you can have the lines put in them or the holes put in for the future for underground utilities. If the sidewalk is gonna be on the top of the existing pipe, maybe you can run a new pipe next to it. You don't tear up a brand new sidewalk again. That shows no thinking on the council and it comes back on you guys, because you didn't say anything about it. And you don't want that to happen. I think the tree, you know, do your utilities on the ground first, then you could pave that street over and it's done. And if you go through Congressmen, Mullins, who I spoke to, Senator Berkman, I think that's his name, Berkman. They like East Palo Alto and they're willing to help. There's monies there. And if you can do it and should we say to offseason, not the summer season, when it's real slow, doing the winter night like now you can probably get a deal because a lot of these companies need people and they're hurting for business so you could probably get a better deal now and some of the surrounding cities what they do is they make them put up so much money if they're going to do it like a sister city power out through there they make them okay you get this contract. This is a code we built to and they make them put up so much money and if they are supposed to be 500 feet by the time they reach certain date and they're not there, they pull the fine out. Thank you for your comment. I was two minutes. The commission wants to provide more time. You guys gotta get rid of that two minutes. Two minutes. That's two minutes. Three for you, my. It is quick. Thank you, though. These people. I wanted to say. Michael. I wanted to say Michael's right because. Incident happened. I think it was on Addison. Where they went in there on that's not the cities. I found out it wasn't the city's property. It was Palo Alto Mutual property and they, what they went in there was for some reason emergency accident or something, but they went in there and they covered up all the pipes and it wasn't their pipes. So he's got a good point about that. Paying attention. For money twice, they were looking to go. Oh, and Michael, thank you for the comment. Could you rest the button again on this speaker. Thanks. Thank you guys again. Okay. If there's no other comments, then we will move. We have received the presentation. So there's no action item. For the commission and we'll move to the next item. Does that sound good? Yeah. Thanks, Michael. And the rest of the CSG team. Okay. Item number six is staff in commission or all reports. Staff doesn't have any for this item. Through the chair. So I have a real quick one. And I think most of you already know this. So it's just kind of a reminder that we are. And James, the city clerk did confirm that they were, you know, we're still receiving applications for the Public Works Transportation Commission opening. So if you know anyone who's interested, please have them apply, please have them reach out to the staff, to James, and reach out to the staff to James. And, you know, reach out to us on the commission. We'll get the information to you to be able to apply. We want to gather as many applications. So we have a good set of candidates to choose from or the city we'd like to. So, yeah, that's my end. After talking with James, it sounds like January 7th is when the new commissioners will be appointed by city council. So don't wait too long, get the applications in or share with your friends to get their applications. And if they want to serve on the Public Works Transportation Commission and there's also openings for the EPA Advise sanitary advisory board Commission as well. Thank you I did also want to add that the page can be a little difficult to find on the city website But if you go to cvp.org for anyone listening or watching this later, it's under government and then boards and commissions and then commission openings or the url is cvp.org slash bc slash page slash commission dash openings. Okay, there's anyone else have any other information reports? Okay. Okay. Later. Okay. Okay. Okay. Next to seven item seven point one information reports on the general capital improvement plan updates. Thank you. And as always, I just tried to give updates on all of our active CIP projects. If any of the commissioners have any questions, I'll more be more than happy to answer, but I won't be going through it, but just mainly informational, but I'm here to answer any questions. We're taking any comments. I do to the chair have a just a general comment or general question for Batu. So are there any of these projects specifically woodland, woodland avenue, are they closed out? Or is this the most current? Are there any projects that are closed out? Or and if so, I guess my point is could we remove those from the list? Yeah. So once it's closed out, I remove it for woodland avenue. You know, we finished most of the work. The only thing remaining is repairs. So I think they're still scheduling that out. Once the project is complete, we actually go to council and they accept the project and then that kind of closes it out and then we file that with the county. So all of these are actually still active. Some of them are like punch list items. So like the woodland avenue one and then the bus shelter one, we just have some like final punch list items that we're working on like for the bus shelter one. We ordered some extra trash cans and like trash can covers and like extra panels to use up the rest of the grant funds. But yeah, we don't want to close out the project until we kind of do all that. So that's why I keep them here until I take the notice of completion and then I'll remove it. Do you have any indication of timelines for for those ones that are just, you know, punch list or waiting to go to council? Yeah. So for the bus shelter project, the last items that we ordered are coming in the first week of January. So I'm aiming to take that notice of completion and February same thing with the Joel Davis restroom project. And then most likely the woodland one, hopefully it'll be, the repairs will be done by that point. And then that one might also get lumped in with those anoses. But yeah, I'm aiming for February to close out a few of these projects that have been open. And same thing with the Street Light projects. PG&E said the next couple of weeks are going to connect like one of the final locations. So with that, I'm planning to like close out the project. So there are a few that are going to be closed out soon. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I had a full question on the PG&E street lights. Yeah. Last time when I was driving back on Polguss going northbound from East Bay Shore towards Bay. I seem to notice some new lights kind of on the bottom portion of Pogas, maybe south of Sage Tree. Somewhere there. Could that be one of the new lights that was installed? Yeah, they installed, you know, actually the mast arm is went out a while ago, but we've just been waiting for PugN to connect it to power, because they have to do what we can't do it. And so they've been kind of going through the city and connecting them. So that's why there's some locations that have had like, mass storms for a while, like in the light, but they just have never, haven't been connected, because it's a PGN poll and it's their power. So if it seems like something's new, that's probably them. I know they recently went up Pogas and connected a few. I don't know the location at the top of my head, the locations that are remaining, but last I spoke, the last object I got from them was the next couple weeks. They should have connected all of them. But yeah, this project has been open for a while. It's been a couple years. We've just really been waiting for PG&E on this one. Okay, I don't see any hands raised from the public. I know more questions. So we'll move to item number eight discussion in action. 8.1 is a traffic mayor request at Dunbarton and East Bayshore Road. Yeah, we have Irene from our engineering team who will be presenting this item. Irene, you can share screen and take it away. Good evening. My name is Irene Shoe, and I'll be presenting on two items. So the first item will be the traffic mirror request at the DuBarton Avenue and East Bay Shore Road intersection. The presentation overview would cover the background analysis and the rugby. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I apologize for that glitch. Um, so the first topic would be the traffic mirror request at DuBarton Avenue and East Bayshore Road intersection. The overview would be the background analysis and the recommendation. So the little background, the staff received a request from the resident for the installation of a traffic mirror at East Bayshore Avenue and DuBarton Avenue due to visibility concerns. And this shows the location map, which is DuBarton Avenue and East Bayshore Road. Analysis part, staff placed cones on the left side, which is the east side, and then also the right side, which is the west side. And so the top image is showing how visible it is. And then so staff observed that the visibility from each direction gets better when the drawing crotch for a clear line of sight. And also convex mirrors is not part of the NUTCD Federal State document. So the recommendation is to deny the establishment of a mirror at the DuBarton. The next step would be. Which is what was discussed by CSG, the East Spatial Road pedestrian and cyclist improvement project, which includes the improvements such as traffic calming measures and sidewalks, bikeways and infrastructure measures. And part of this would be removing parking on the East Spatial Avenue and the design being complete at the end of 2024. So this would help with the visibility issue as cars are not being able to park on the East Bay Shore Avenue. Any questions? So, the first question is before, who submitted this request? Who's a resident? Do we include that in the staff report? As I've seen before in the staff report, I don't think we attached it, but we usually do. We'll make sure to attach it next time. But Irene did reach out to the resident before the meeting to notify them that the will be discussing the item. Yeah. Like in this case, we're obviously denying his request, but we have a lot of safety improvements that are actually coming. Um, I mean, the whole corridor, but specifically, you did not have that intersection. Did they respond that they will be here to explain their side of the? I mean, did you get a? I didn't get a response. Okay. From the resident. Okay. Okay. And I'll probably reach out to ask who submitted this information later on. But the thing with this, okay, so one of my concerns, and when I was reviewing the East Bay Bay Shore design, oh, sorry, let me back up. So in the pictures, right, I could see the cone that you guys set up to run the analysis. And if a car was parked there, that you wouldn't be able to see the cone. And then we run in, I guess the issue would be, the car would have to move into the road as much as they can and safely as possible to see the oncoming traffic. The other thing I noticed is, so these streets, but specifically Dunbarton, but like all these streets on Bayshore Road, they're skewed. They don't come into Bayshore Road at a 90 degree angle. They 90 degree angle. They come in at a skewed angle, so the way that the car is lined up is facing East Bay Shore is at an angle that brings them closer. If they were to make a left turn onto East Bay Shore and go south, they're closer to the oncoming traffic. So are there any scenarios or other cities that run into these issues and what have they used as a safety measure because I could see this as the reason for this request is they cannot see and they're closer to the oncoming traffic if they're making a left from Dunbarton Avenue to East Bay Shore Road because of the orientation of the road or the configuration of these streets. I believe what they're doing is also like limiting the parking so it's not blocking the view. I know each city is different depending on their municode but kind of I know you really brought this up in the past like the day lighting law. Some cities already have that in their ordinance where they restrict like you're not allowed to park within a certain distance from like a corner of an intersection. I know other cities what they'll do is you know they'll do what we do, which is case by case like if you know someone brings up a safety concern and we need you for like hey yeah we definitely have a visibility issue. We'll put up no parking signs. I can't remember who was on the commission, but yeah, like a year or two ago, maybe it was more than that. For Clark and Green, we put up parking signs to limit, parking because there was a visibility issue. We ended up doing that and adding a crosswalk. But yeah, so when they come up, if we go out there and we find, oh yeah, for sure, there's a visibility issue that even if they encroach, it's still really hard to see. Like in some cases, you're right, it is skewed and angled. Then we would recommend limiting parking. I mean, in this specific case, we're already in a limit parking in a few months. I mean, hopefully when we construct in a few months, so that'll help eliminate that whole even if vehicles are parks because no vehicles will be able to park there. But yeah, that's usually like even what we do is first thing we go out and we check would you our site analysis. And if vehicles can encroach and still see and safely make those turns, we won't recommend restrictions because obviously most people wouldn't really want to remove parking in front of their home. But when it is, there is a safety concern and staff agrees we recommend we'll put up no parking signs. So then for sure the site triangle is clear and then people can safely make their turns. So that's something that we do when have a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a we talked about this in last month. And there's a process that we go through. The analysis, I believe, is part of that process. But my concern here is the request came in as a not being able to see site distance issue. But that could be just a symptom to a bigger problem. It could be it could be caused by speeding or you know volume issues with on that side. So with the with us going back to our traffic management policy did we go through that? Did we you know contact the police to see or set up a speed radar or what are the things that we did we do to vet this? Yeah, you know in this specific case we did a lot of research and analysis as part of this project like for even a lot of the grant applications we worked with PD to get collision reports and we got letters of support for them on this project. So like in this specific case, we have been coordinating closely with a lot of departments and investigating the conditions. So like looking at volumes, collisions, all that stuff. So I think, I mean, obviously, I don't think we followed the exact procedure in the residential management policy for this exact request. But the city is planning to implement a few measures like I mentioned we're moving parking which will help with visibility. We're implementing traffic calming measures that help slow vehicles down so yeah I think this case is a little bit unique which I mean obviously a lot of stuff that comes up everything is a little different. If I are the city's goal is to try to follow the residential street management policy whenever we get these types of requests. So that's our formal process. This case was a little unique because we had this project. This project has been going on for a few years. So in this request came in, we were already working with PD, getting letters to support, investigating traffic, counts, collisions and all that stuff. Okay. So yeah, we did a lot of research for East Bay Shore. And can I reach out later to request that in for me? Yeah, I can share. Thank you. Yeah. I have a question since you're discussing that area, East Bay Shure. What about down to Euclid where the school district is? Who in the world wanted a stop sign there? I'm coming, you know, going north down East Bay Shure. I come that way to avoid university avenue and that stop sign, it's ridiculous. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to speak unfortunately on wire when that came up, but I will say the reason our project limit kind of ends at Euclid is because Sobrado actually has plans to realign the on ramp. So they're realigning it with Euclid. So that whole intersection is going to change. Well, the condos, they're going to put condos there and subrottos going to be behind it. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone's station. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, kind of figured that. But right now, the stop sign is backing up traffic all the way to the Chevron station. And it's really not needed except for giving courtesy to the people on Euclid and they should get in a habit of going to the down bail. It's inconvenient, it's what I'm saying. It's a stupid stop sign there. You got to stop. Yeah, I mean, stop signs are really meant to give right of way designations, that's their purpose. But yeah, there's gonna be a lot of changes once that plan is implemented if you go to the city website or if you reach out to me directly, it can also send you the direct link for the changes that are happening on Euclid because there's gonna be an interesting. Yeah, there's gonna be a bit of changes because there are a few development projects. Yeah, the site, the school district is at, and then there's also subroto, which has already been entitled. They did a lot of, like, obviously, they did their traffic studies, and the results of all that was the re-enlightenment plans, which, I mean, we don't have a timeline on one that will happen, but the project's entitled, and we have the plans. So there will be some changes based on the traffic conditions that are existing. Put in a meantime can somebody go there and dig that stop sign up and throw it away? Unfortunately, there's a whole process to remove a first stop sign removal because the idea is usually you only put a stop sign in when it meets certain criteria and like you follow a report and removal of what you can't just remove one because that becomes a liability issue, but it could be something that we can study. And if it meets those removal conditions, then a stop sign can be removed. But it has to, there's a process that we need to follow. What makes it terrible is there's a little pop-up cart right there. And they block your view from the right and nine times out of ten there's a very big truck or something where you have to inch out and look around and before you go down Euclid it's just I was going to bring it up several times before I like I said when I come here to the city hall, I go that way to avoid the traffic on university avenue. I make a lift if I can make it through that air or go down amps and I stop right at the Shervin station because the traffic is backed up all the way because of that stupid stop sign. I like to recommend that we take this offline since we're I think two steps off the topic. Sorry, Commissioner Wilkerson. I was talking about the same area though. Did are there any public comments? Okay. Then you may proceed with a point you then. Thank you. Oh, sorry. Yeah, we need to make a motion. Yes, was someone like to make a motion? Yeah, motion, I make a motion to deny the establishment of the traffic mirror at the Dumbarton Avenue in East Bay Road East Bay Shore Road intersection. Second. We say I, if you agree. I. I. I. I. I. Okay. Moving to 8.2 parking restriction requests 24 11 Paulus Avenue. Thank you. Continuing on the second item would be the parking restriction, which is at the EHP at 2411 Paulus Avenue. Presentation overview is the background analysis and the recommendation. So background in October 2024, we received requests from the ecumenical hunger program to restrict parking at four of their driveways. And this is the location map, which is a Pugas Avenue and Week Street. And the second photo shows the driveway opening, which is A, B, C, and D, which is on Week Street. So the reason for the request, they claim that their delivery truck has difficulty getting into the driveway due to congestion along Poulugus Avenue. So, staff did analysis, staff performed a site visit, observed vehicles going in and out of the dryways. And also noticed there's a fire hydrant which is outside of the fence between two of the driveways between ANB. So for block driveway concerns, no parking zones are not required to be enforced. So under the vehicle code 22500, which prohibits vehicles from blocking private driveways. Police Department can enforce this. So our recommendation is to deny the establishment of the no parking zones at the four openings. But for the next steps, we are red curbing 30 feet on center from that fire hydrant location, which is right here, so which is 15 feet from the left side of the hydrant and 15 feet from the right side of the hydrant, and that's to accommodate fire trucks needing that loading zone during emergencies. And police department can enforce the red curb near the fire hydrant. So establishing and enforcing this red zone between the driveway will help also with the trucks entering and exiting the site for EHB. Thank you. I like to find out what time are their deliveries. I mean, are they trying to prevent that or the homeless people because they hang out there and they park there and then the barbershop guy? What are they trying to, what's their agenda? For their cause and a problem, being there on that corner on Paulgas in the first place. So I'm trying to figure what are you getting at wanting a special treatment would read, read marks? They're saying that the delivery trucks are having problems. Their delivery is being hindered. They don't have certain hours of delivery. Oh, they do have certain hours. And at those hours, their driveway is being blocked. They're claiming because of cars that are in the road. There are no res-harleney residential area and the businesses across the street, warm and steel and stuff like that. It's not like it used to be jumping back in the day. So they're residential people parking there around their business because you know at certain times they cause a lot of problems too. Having all you know given away food and their lines are all the way down Pogas to Bay Road. So, I mean, what's their agenda? Everybody has an agenda in East Palata. I mean, what is theirs? They want special treatment to keep people from parking there. Yes, they wanted to hardly nobody lives around there and Sepulah Homeless people Oh, they wanted red zoning We want in front of the where the the driveways are open The the ABCD areas Yeah, so they're what they're asking for is you know formal parking restrictions But we typically don't really do that for driveways. I mean, sometimes you see that at intersections where, you know, if there's visibility issues at intersections, like I mentioned, we'll implement these kind of changes. There might be some driveways around the city where you might have some red curbs, but typically, like intersections are where we'll implement these types of measures that they're requesting. But yeah, their request is mainly they want to kind of limit parking to make it. I think the issue is people are blocking their driveway. That kind of seems like what the underlying issue is. And for those types of issues, PD can actually enforce it without any type of, you know, you don't need a red curb, you don't need a sign for PD to come and enforce someone blocking your driveway. You can call PD to come in and force someone blocking your driveway. You can call PD to do that at any time and same thing with the hydrant. So a hydrant, we don't need signage to be able to implement that. Actually, if someone right now is parking in front of a hydrant, per like California vehicle code, they can cite you for that. But yes, what we're proposing to do is actually red curb that area. And so, that is between the two driveways. So it kind of does help accommodate their request. But based on the existing conditions, really, we're not adding signage or anything. Hope that answers the question or comment? So when I read, when I read this, it sounded like there was two issues. So I wanted to just get a clarification. Are, is the issue someone is parking in the driveway on Pogas? So so it, so you're blocking the driveway, which, which is, you know, against the rules, or is it, they're parking close enough to the driveway without blocking it to impact the turning radius of these delivery trucks? Did they give us any details on that? I didn't receive the details, but I believe it may be a combination. A combination? Okay. Because when I hear that they don't have no parking signs on their gates, it makes me think that part of it or maybe all of it is that there are vehicles parked in the, not necessarily in the driveway, but on Pogas, but blocking the driveway, maybe partially or fully. And that's why they're asking for this. So yeah, it would have been good if they gave us a little bit more information. I mean, you know, I kind of want to lean towards accommodating them because they do serve our residents. This is not a resident of the city. This is a nonprofit organization that serves our residents and those that are needy and homeless. So if they're delivery trucks who are delivering food and clothes that are needed by our residents, we should consider this so that those, the food and the clothes get to EHP and deliver it on site so that we can serve the residents. But it looks like, yeah, we need to get some a little bit more information and understand what is the root problem here. It looks like you guys are gonna take next steps and do a red curbing between B and A is what it looks like. And I think that's actually the main driveway that the truck uses. If you look at some of the other pictures like the one on weeks, that one is actually mainly for their staff, I believe to get in and out of. I actually volunteer with second food harvest at another site where we don't have enough room for the truck to actually go into the site. The truck what they do is they do stop in the street for a bit to unload because sometimes that is the case. Some of the deliveries, big delivery trucks, that's what they tend to do and they have the little lift. But yeah, I think the truck mainly goes into what Irene is showing. So that's why what we're saying is if we really enforce this restriction, if people park there, that clears it up for the truck to be able to make their turn because that's really the one that they're going in and out of. And we don't know if it if they're making a right. Oh, I'm assuming them because that's what the normal traffic flow that I've witnessed is that a vehicle will make a right turn into the what's that gate? Is that gay? I think it's gate? Yeah. First one. Yeah. So, so make a right turn there. It's assumed that the delivery trucks follow that same traffic pattern to get into that area and they come out and make a right turn on Topogus or left turn on Topogus through gate B. And if that's the case, would we be able to red curb? Since we're, the image H shows the red curb in the next steps, but would we be able to add a little bit like 5 feet on the ends of the driveways to help them out? So we actually weren't planning on it, but they do have existing red curb. I think Irene, I don't know if there's pictures here, but in the report there might be pictures of... Yeah, it's a little hard to see, but in the report there might be pictures of Yeah, it's a little hard to see, but I think you can see one side clearly the other is a little harder to see, but Some of their dragways actually already have red curb like on a maybe the city did it back in the day. There was like a bit of change in policy. I think Now the guy the direction we're receiving is you know, we we're not red curbing unless it's coupled with signage other than like for like a fire hydrant because then PD can't really enforce it. But there are a few of their driveways that already have red curbed there. So even though they were requesting it, part of it is already there, they were more requesting like the signage to be coupled with it. Okay, thank you. I want to check if, is if either a commissioner grip vendor, vice chair, Patel, if you have any comments? Yeah, I had a question. Since it's red curbing, could it be like a sort of amount of time that a car could be parked? They're just in case the delivery truck comes. Oh, like a loading zone? You know, last year when they first kind of reshought to the city, that was their like original request. I don't know, some of you might vaguely remember this. They wanted a loading zone, but I think the issue, the area that we're planning to red curb is a hydrant. So I mean, no one's really supposed to be parking there anyways. So that's why for there we wouldn't put a loading zone because technically no one's supposed to park there in case of an emergency. Thank you. I like to ask a question. Oh, I was just going to say I have nothing now. Thank you. Well, you know, they have other interests. How come they can't make an entrance from where that easement is? Where the green belt through where digney for humanity is where people take showers and they pass and stuff. How come they can't have a delivery on the other side? Because what I'm thinking about, we're 2.5 square miles and I'm in my mind site trying to eliminate turnabouts, lumps, too many stop signs and a lot of red curse. You put all that in 2.5 square miles. What do you have? A monopoly board. It I want to look like a regular city. So is there some way they can make concessions and make another driveway somewhere else where they can do their deliveries, like on the side somewhere. I mean, we, like I said, 2.1 square miles, we're about approximately 30,000, I think is more people in East Falauteau. And if we keep making special treatment to me, it's like that just for a few. And like he said, they do provide a service, but do you remember when coming down over to ramp when they were on whiskey gulch? And it looked like a garbage can there. You could see all the clothes and everything all thrown on the clothes and everything, all thrown on the signs and stuff. And nothing was done too much about it. I know Nevada Butler, she started all of this, but I'm trying to, when I think of something like this, I like to get to the root. Now would that be a plus putting up more red, where it's stopped stop don't go hall in a 2.5 square miles that's what I want to eliminate I want our city to run smoothly so how come they can't make a driveway out of the way of everybody else and it looks like it's a lot of space there I mean that's not your space for something. You understand what I'm talking about. Yeah, unfortunately we can't speak on behalf of the epicenter. Irene did invite them to come and kind of be able to answer questions, but it doesn't seem like anyone was able to join, but just from like visually looking at the site. Please, I want to correct the record with time, the, uh, ecumenical hunger program, not at the center. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Um, I was just going to say, I mean, just visually looking at the site, I think they have their drop-offs in that area because there's a way for drivers to go in and out. You know, there's like a good flow, but yeah. Unfortunately, we can't answer questions on why they requested, why they requested certain locations and why they have drop-offs in certain areas, but we could definitely make note of asking them. I mean, the next time the firm had come up or something, the city ought to take that incursion, because usually a business like that is put in an area where it's wide open, where they have more space to maneuver. Well, that's all I have to say. I would like to add some more context before we take any more comments or go to the recommendation. I did stop by HP actually at least four times in the last three months. I actually stopped by this morning and talked to their assistant director Laquisha and I did invite them to the meeting, but I don't think they're able to make it tonight A lot of things have changed in last two months since October when they submitted this and that's kind of what I heard from their assistant director. One, they've actually acquired that site that's in image 2, the one on the top half. That was actually acquired in the last two months, I believe. Would they take the showers and stuff? I don't think that one's we hope. I don't know what used to be, but I know we hope is a different part that is still there. Second thing I want to add is I did learn from the Ecumenical Hunger program that they are planning to change the configuration for the last few years they've been doing a drive-in. I don't know what it's called but you stay in your car and they bring things to you and actually after the new years they will be moving to a parking market based approach. Well, farmers market style. You know I can actually speak on that because I volunteer on another site where it's the same thing. They a lot of sites used to do drive-through because of COVID like like obviously you want less contact, you don't want people getting out of their car. But they're part of the reason they're switching back to a farmer's market style is because it cost second food harvest a lot of money to kind of purchase like the boxes and it takes a lot of time to like individually box them. And then also going back to farmer's market style makes it more like community. It's more engaging with the community. So yeah, I know some of the sites are switching at the same time. But yeah, thanks for bringing that up and bringing up the changes because, yeah, they have been coming into our department for permits actually because of the upcoming changes. But I don't think they have like a building entitlement. Yeah. And the reason I mentioned that is just to bring information to the commission, I don't know necessarily if this will solve the congestion problem, Pogas, I'm just bringing this up. And now with regards to the recommendation topic, so I did notice, I think in the slides of the tool you mentioned that there are some existing places next to the driveways that are red curved, even though we're trying to recommend not red curbing, that there should not be a red curve. Next hit the screen. Yeah, I mean, the thing is when we red curbed, we had signage. So what we're saying is we're not going to go and remove them But we're just not gonna we're not recommending placing no parking signage for like a couple feet to like formally Restricted Can that be confusing for people like to see the red curve? They're gonna think they can't park but yeah I'm saying they can park. Oh, we don't tell people they can park in red curb zones. I think what happens is sometimes people call PD and they're like, hey, PD, someone's parked in this red curb zone next to my house. I don't think, I don't know if that's been an issue here, but it happened in some other areas. And then PD will be like, like if it's not next to a hydrant. And then if we can't find the res, usually if there's a res, there's a sign. PD can't actually write a citation. And I think it comes down to like, we have to reference like a municode section. PD can explain that a little more. But so it becomes an issue when someone calls them and is like, hey, can you come and force someone parking on a red curb? Yeah. And then if there's no signage, they just can't actually cite anyone. But if it's like a driveway, if someone's blocking your driveway, they can come and think they can actually tow if someone's blocking your driveway. What is it zoned for? I mean, is it planned for the future? Putting it sort of a business. I would need an RBD. Yeah, I can double check the zoning. I don't know what it is at the top of my head. I can't read. I don't know what the site is actually zoned for. 2.5 square miles. Like I said, they got the brand new town homes there. That to me, it's going to cause a problem. And you say they're taking out permits. Are they taking out permits for future visions of being denied in the future? I can't speak on exactly what their scope is because it's very, I think it's preliminary. No, I know that it reminds me of that. As Chris mentioned, there's like stuff in the works and I think they're planning for changes. Yeah, because, I mean, you look at it, we're going to have maybe one day if it gets pushed off, maybe with the new console. The RBD is going to be developed. And then we have this, I'm, I'm picturing Oakland right off of Broadway. That's there and they have Salvation Army. And how does that look? But it's next to a freeway said, that's okay. I hardly know about it wants to live next to a freeway. But I'm visualizing the future of them. And I'm thinking about the past. How maybe they've gotten that under control, when they suggest throw old clothes and food and stuff, and you could see it coming down the ramp right there at University Avenue. I'm thinking about the future, how it's going to look. Yeah, I mean, when it comes to, sorry if I was like, RBD plans that we follow the specific plan that was just adopted so that's kind of the city's vision for that whole area Which this is in I don't think we should talk about it too much because it's a little off topic. Yeah, but I mean Yeah, the specific plan was just approved and it kind of gives a lot of guidelines on like what the city's envisioning for future projects that come in the area so even like like the library, we're gonna kind of follow what's in the specific plan. So hopefully that kind of answers your question. Okay, I'd like to move us back to the recommendation if there's no other comments. So here the recommendation says to deny the establishment of a, or sorry, is to deny the establishment of a or sorry is to deny the establishment of no parking red curb zones. But there is also the next steps here about adding red curving 30 feet on center from the fire hydrant. Should we be incorporating that into our recommendation? Um, actually there's no need because that's something that we could just do, you know, public work structure approval. So yeah, we don't need an approval for that We can actually go and do that like ASAP But yeah, we just included is so then the commission knows like what we're planning to do And like kind of how this came up Yeah, we don't necessarily need a recommendation Does anyone want to make a motion? Yeah, I you know what I'll make a motion? Yeah, I, you know what, I'll make the motion, uh, an amended motion to deny the establishment of the no parking word curbs zones, but with the, uh, understanding that the public works transportation or public works, uh, department will red curb, uh, according to their next steps within the presentation. If that makes sense. I'll second that. In all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Great. It's passed unanimously. That was a point two. We already did a point three, which is the selection. And hence we are on 0.9 written communications. Do we have any written communications? No, we don't have any. Okay item number 10, future public works and transportation commission item requests. Would anyone like to request any future items? Yeah, just kind of is kind of related to the last item that we just talked about. But I think in the future, in order to bring something forward for us to decide on, we need to have the the request there be part of the meeting. There are some, you know, there are details that they can add to the discussion that would allow us to make better decision. Case in point is the EPEC center issue that came before us, we didn't have anyone in front of us and then we denied it and then it went to City Council and then they had someone in front of them and they had more information, which made sense to a safety component. So I think that's something that as a commission we should look at, and if we work with staff to see how we can do that. Any request that comes before us to take an action on, we need to have the applicant be part of the meeting or we table it until they make themselves available. Yeah, thank you for that. We always make sure to invite them whenever, when we know it's in the agenda packet. We typically, I mean, it kind of gets hard when we try to schedule things based on their availability. I think what the commission could potentially do is, you know, when we're approving an agenda, if no one's here, maybe you can request a post-ponent. But yeah, we typically don't ask for our residents availability to schedule items. We try to schedule it as soon as possible, and we notify them to try to attend either in person or remotely to provide comments. And then we also, they can always send stuff in advance, which is usually how we get their request. But yeah, we always notify them that their item is coming to the commission. You could have told them that if it's so important to them, they will show up, and if it don't show up, it's likely to be denied. That could be the verbiage factor them. I remember Carlos, people were sending out anonymous emails to the console and everywhere. And he said, from now on, if there are not anonymous, they weren't going to entertain them at all, no matter how terrible they might be. Yeah. And I think also to with those two requests, we don't know who's applying for these. So if they're, I think including those in the the staff report would be helpful as well. Yeah, well, maybe some some must know these people that are making the application request and we can reach out to them on a personal level and make sure that they're here. But that's all I have. Thank you. Okay, I don't see any other future commission items or requests. Okay, then we can call the meeting adjourned. Oh, okay. I wanted to hear. Sorry. I've been trying to bring up something for probably the last time was like six years ago. And they put a key clear sign off of Woodland and University. Well, it's gone. It's melted away. And also the pedestrians coming from the bus stop from over, off our east, so keep over to the other side. And several people have gotten hit right there. One of my neighbor broke his arm and his leg. I wanna know how do I put that on the agenda because this is, they're doing a lot of work at Woodland and University. Yeah. And yeah, that's part of the POC. There will be some changes once the over crossing is installed. But for those types of requests, just send it over to the engineering inbox and then we like kickstart the engineering who? Yeah, we have a general engineering inbox. So it's engineering city of EPA dot org. If you send it there, the whole team will get it. Okay. Because the last time I requested a key clear, because the driveway is right there at university and woodland, they just came out and they put it on the ground, but it's all warped and melted and everything. And they need a pole, say, keep driveway clear. And it's a safety thing, total. Like I said, a lot of people have gotten hit there. One of my neighbors got his arm broke, his leg broke, and he was just coming from the bus stop. People making terms there and the cars coming off the university off ramp, they have to stop for the pedestrians to push their little strollers down. So that's not to be hit. And I'm thinking about what it's gonna be like when they widen the new bridge and all that traffic from Palo Alto's coming out. Oh, okay, I'll send it to there and maybe spell it out a little bit better because it's needed. Thank you. Okay, we'll call the meeting adjourned. Thank you. Thank you all. Recording stopped. Thank you.