having a more sentimental attachment to that field and I completely understand community members concerns about these changes. But I'm here today to ask the council to allow the school modernization to proceed as planned and on schedule, including a fenced-in field, whether that's six feet or four feet. We in the George Mason neighborhood are extremely privileged and I do use that word deliberately. While almost every other part of Alexandria has changed significantly in recent decades, our neighborhood has remained virtually the same. Now it's our turn to make some changes. It's no longer realistic or fair to keep this field as it has always been. If you see a current George Mason recess, the paved area is packed with kids running around. It's a joyful but chaotic scene, and mirror yards away sits in enormous empty field. The George Mason population is expected to double in the new building, including pre-case students and kids in special education programs. These kids need space to play so they can get the full mental and physical health benefits of recess. But ACPS safety requirements prevent students from having free access to an unfenced area. It's common sense. It only takes a second for a child to wander off into the woods, talk to a stranger, or be approached by an overly enthusiastic dog. With dozens of energetic elementary schoolers running around, it's not fair to place the burden on a handful of staff members when a simpler solution exists. If you drive by Barrett, Brooks, MacArthur, and Mount Vernon during the day, you'll see kids running around with their friends and taking a break from the structured classroom environment. In contrast, our field is severely underutilized during school hours. After the early morning dog walkers, the field is basically empty for the rest of the school day. When I walk on the public path, I rarely see more than one or two people on the field. Sometimes no one. Any class use of the field is also minimal. I checked with my two second graders and they have not been on the field during school hours this entire year. It seems incredibly wasteful to close off this space to most of the student body just to preserve the way it's always been. Our kids deserve the same space to play that other schools have. This field will still be available to the public after school and on weekends for all the wonderful activities mentioned by the other speakers. With offense, students will also have the opportunity to make memories on the field. This benefits everyone. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. I just had a quick follow up. I know Sophie, you were looking for what I knew told us the video you requirement and you were looking for the ACPS requirement. Do you have an update on the ACPS safety requirement? If not, we can keep going with work. Please keep going. I will have after the next speaker. Thank you. Okay. Then we will come back to that. Next speaker looks like Danielle Vogue. Hi, my name is Danielle Sims Vogue and I'm a mom to a second and fourth grader at George Mason as well as the current PTA president. As a parent and community member, I respectfully request that the City approve the George Mason project and support the installation of a fence around the entire field at the modernized George Mason. The modernization of George Mason is a long awaited investment in our children's education, but to fully realize its benefits, we must ensure the outdoor spaces are safe and accessible to the students during the school day on school property. Currently that is not the case. At the stands now, students are largely unable to use the field regularly during school hours for recess or PE due to the lack of fencing. There is a risk that students can wander from the unfenced field as well as the risk of unauthorized individuals entering the fields while the children are playing, which does happen. This concern becomes even more pressing considering that the student body at George Mason is expected to double in size. With the significant increase in enrollment space will be at a premium and without access to the field children be restricted to a much smaller and more crowded area limiting their ability to safely run, explore and engage in physical activity. Moreover, the field which is school property is currently open to the public at all hours, including during the entire school day. And while we all appreciate and love the George Mason field, the use of the field during instructional hours by unrelated individuals, including frequently those with awfully stods, poses a real safety concern and prevents the full use of the field during the school day by students. On Friday, I was at the school and while the kids were playing outside on the black top, there was an unauthorized woman on the field with two awfully stogs. This is unsafe. Fencing the field does not mean shutting the community out. The proposal would allow continued full access to the field. During early mornings, evenings, weekends, holidays, and all school breaks, all summer, all winter, just like the model at other ACP schools, ACPS schools like MacArthur and Brooks. Why should George Mason be treated differently? And how is it fair or okay that our children do not get full access to their school campus during the school day? Fencing the field allows us to expand student access. We are making sure our children can play and learn in a safe, secure environment during the school day, just as kids do at other schools. This is common sense. Please approve the George Mason Modernization Project in full, including the perimeter fence around the entire field. Thank you. Thank you Ms. Simms vote. Speaker is Parker Wise. I don't see a park. We'll keep going. Next one is Mary Jane Kane. Hi, it's Mary Jean. That's okay. I just wanted to say that the last time I was at one of these meetings was about a year and a half ago. And I think the atmosphere here has been so positive even though we've all all had differing opinions. So I wanted to thank all of you for that. Anyway, so regarding the issue of the George Mason, fence, and trees, I'm here to advocate for tree preservation and fence line adjustments. Northridge is one of the most beautiful neighborhoods in the city of Alexandria. Preserving this will not just happen automatically as we are presented with the needs and issues that our community faces. It takes careful, thoughtful, and jujus is planning, and especially collaborating with the residents of our community. I can't stress that enough. There has been a lack of transparency regarding these important changes, and this is not the first time in the last two years that a lack of transparency has been at issue. Let's see. Alexandria is a ready relatively small city and I think why can't we get the processes by which chains comes about right. Getting it right means giving ample time and transparency for community input. I think that's really been a shortcoming of our city for many issues for a very long time. I'm also disheartened to learn that all three of the proposed modernization designs for George Mason include that over 50 trees will be destroyed so that they can replace the walking path and make improvements to the existing natural features around the park. Many of the trees slated for removal are 80 plus year-old oaks and walnuts that are crucial for the health of the local environment. And I wanted to say that we in Northridge have been working very, very hard to replace the tree canopy. Thanks to the efforts of two residents, Jane Seward and Lynn Gas. And I hate to see those efforts thwarted by cutting down so many trees. And even though the plan says that we'll actually gain by planting new trees, we all know how long it takes for a tree to mature. It seems to me that people are leaning in the direction that I would lean in terms of the fence and making it lower since there are no high traffic streets, adjacent to George Mason Field. So it seems that a shorter fence in height would do the job. The community has asked many, many times to preserve access. Okay, nothing more. Do you want to finish? Go ahead and do you finish your lesson? Anyway, the fence line being lower and to surround only the artificial turf field and paved play areas would allow greater access to the park. I hope you will take my comments on transparency and collaboration with the community seriously. I thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Matt Heckle. I see Matt. I think he's walking towards us. Yeah, seven hours. And it's all an hour's now. Thank you. That's OK. My name is Matt Heckle. I live at 2503 Taylor Avenue, which is immediately next door to the school on its sound side. I have two children who are alumni and I have a wife who's taught there for six plus years, 20 years in the ACPS school system. I'm here today as I was for the school board meeting and the planning commission meetings to speak in favor of the George Mason Elementary School Modernization. While I'm in favor, I do have a request. In regards to quality of life issue, it might seem small to most, but to those of us who live on the side of the school where the dumpsters and the delivery dock will be located, it's not. It's an issue that can potentially grate on one psyche day in and day out. The issue is noise. But not noise in general, just noise that occurs at an unreasonable hour of the day. If you review the proposed special use permit, condition C19 speaks to noise being generated during construction activities. It considerably restricts noise to after 7 a.m. on weekends, weekdays, and 9 a.m. on weekends. However, when it comes to ongoing school operations, once the school is open for say the next 70 years or so, there's not a single condition imposed to limit it. Within the SUP application, ACPS answers questions 8 and 14 by saying there will be on average five trucks arriving at the school each day to deliver supplies or pick up trash and recycling. Due to the size of the parking lot, these arrivals will require the trucks to back up one or possibly two times to get into position. And then the real noise begins. Question 14 concludes by asking, when will these activities occur? ACPS answers by saying prior to 7 a.m. I want to let that sink in for a moment. In case you're wondering, there is no way to sleep through this. It's literally next door to our homes. While the proposed SUP doesn't restrict times for these activities, oddly enough, the current SUP that the school operates under does have a restriction. Simply put, they can't come prior to 7 a.m. Why wasn't this restriction included in the new SUP? I would ask the City Council to inquire about this and push hard on its emission. While one hour doesn't seem like much, when it comes to sleep, I think we can all agree that it is. I ask the Council members to put yourselves in my neighbors in my position and ask yourselves, do you want to be forced to wake prior to 7am on week days as long as you own your current home? How about 6am? How about 5? As written, There is nothing controlling leads to activities and therefore everything is in play, nothing is out of bounds. However, about 5. As written, there is nothing controlling needs activities, and therefore everything is in play, nothing is out of bounds. However, the proposed SUP does speak to Rex for EV charging stations, and even a bicycle fix at station. But nothing that ensures the quality of life for me and my neighbors. We tried in vain to get all of this located to the north side where no one would be bothered. We failed. To date, I've attended all seven of the community meetings held by ACPS to collaborate with the community. However, to date, not a single suggestion of ours has been taken. Therefore, I ask the council let today be that day and require ACPS to be courteous and conscientious of its neighbors by restricting these activities to after 7 a.m. Thank you. Thank you. Councilman Chapman. Just now, any kind of reason why that wasn't carried over is there something policy there that I don't know? I'm not aware of either. I'm trying to look that up. I wasn't aware of any fire. Thank you. I definitely want to make sure we don't lose sight of that. So we'll make a note that we come back to that point and see what's on the box. We have Miss Louisa Lensetti. Is there an ex-speaker? Hello. My name's Louisa Lenschetti. I'm a very long time resident of the city. I actually went to Charles Barrett. And I'm a tutor now at the George Mason. And I could repeat many of the things that have been said. I call it sometimes false transparency because I feel that there is meetings that can be pointed to surveys, et cetera. But sometimes it doesn't seem as though there's an engagement and also an engagement in a relevant or timely way. So for sure, there's not much to be done now in terms of the design or the capacity of the school but with that said the hope is that going forward it might work better so that the engagement can be substantive and again timely. I do want to just reiterate some things I had in my comments which are number one green space matters. Again we're in a limited area in terms of what we can do. But if the pathway could have fewer revisions as a way to maintain or keep more trees while still allowing good access, I also agree with lower fencing and some access points. And science, of course, can be a very effective educational tool and one to create guidance. And other than that, we also, at least to my knowledge, everyone supports the modernization of the school and maintaining a good and strict construction schedule. So it's not a matter of trying to derail anything. Thank you. Thank you so much for your comments. Okay, so the next speaker is Miss Sophie. I'm behalf of the applicant. I'm so sorry, I didn't turn off my thing. Would you like to hear the policy before I speak as the applicant? Yes, let's do that. Let's have you do the policy. I mean, I just pulled you in. No, it's okay. I'm happy to be here. So I will say that the policy, you I stated before, the fence is for a number of things, not only safety, but this comes from our buildings and ground security, and our vandalism policy. It says all property must be maintained in a secure and controlled manner to prevent unauthorized access to ensure safe learning environment that applies to the indoors and outdoor spaces. And then additionally policy, JFC and JG emphasize importance of structured, super-res environments during the school day to promote safety and accountability. Okay. And so then, so for the other spaces that don't maybe have a fence all the way around, there I I'm assuming different policies or on-site policies that meet these goals around a safe and secure and controlled manner. That's correct. I think. Right. And then the way we do, I don't know if you've been with us all day, but the applicant, you have as long as you need to speak. Yes. Yes. All right. Good evening. Afternoon, Mayor Gaskins and members of City Council. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. My name is Sophie Hummer and I'm the Director of Capital Programs Planning and Design for Alexandria City Public Schools. And we respectfully seek your approval of our site plan for the red development of George Mason Elementary School. As many of you know, this redevelopment is a comprehensive long-term planning process supported by Alexandria's capital improvement program budget. And the site plan before you is backed by new years of needs assessment facility evaluations and community feedback and reflects a substantial investment in public education. When we believe will benefit not only students and educators, but also the broader community for decades to come. I wanna touch briefly on the green space. It was a priority that was raised by the public not only during this process, but also during the 2019 Feasibility Studies, and when the school board finally adopted the plan, the feasibility plans in 2021, it was chosen that the school would be replaced where it stands in order to try to preserve as much as possible that rear open space, which is why the building is cited where it is as well as the incorporation of the historic facade. So as we went through this process, rather than proposing the large multi, the large multipurpose field turf that would align with our ed specs, we made a deliberate choice to scale that back. And instead of prioritizing flexible natural grass field and we worked with our PCA on the details of that. The goal is to create a green space that serves multiple purposes, structured physical education, outdoor learning, and unstructured recreation for children throughout the day. We believe this approach respects both the educational needs of students but also the communities wish to retain a more natural, accessible environment. We've also heard the community's questions about fencing. I will clarify that this is proposed as a six-foot fence. Similar to those at other ACPS schools and it's not to wall of the site but to ensure safety and security throughout the day. Most importantly, the site will remain a community resource, the fenced areas like the baseball diamond and playgrounds. We'll close during the school day but open to the public after 3pm on weekdays and on weekends. And we're committed to clear signage and guidance around that as the school system. We're also working with design teams to ensure that the fence blends naturally into the environment. The use of natural materials, layered plantings, and thoughtful placements, we aim to maintain it open and welcoming feel on the campus, supporting both safety and community access. I will speak to the trees a little bit since they've come up. So we agree that trees are vital to the ecosystem and to the biodiversity, especially around George Mason Elementary and neighbor brought to our attention that there was a back colony living in the chimneys of George Mason and they have safely been relocated. So I'm very happy to report that. But given the property and the need for construction there, there are plant site improvements that will need to remove some trees and we work closely with the city's arborists to identify areas that we could save trees. Some trees are unhealthy, some are of an invasive species, and then some conflict with the development, though I said we've worked with the city arborist on that. We also have a breakdown of the tree removal plan but we do estimate that by not doing a planned 10 foot path around the field or we're sorry improving the paths to 10 feet instead maybe just doing some patching to make sure that they're, that they are traversable by stroller bike. We may be able to save 14 to 15 trees if we do not make those kind of comprehensive improvements. So we're also open to working with staff on that through the final site plan. I'll just conclude by saying that we do believe that the school reflects our values, sustainability, inclusivity, safety, and academic excellence. And we thank you for this consideration. And we respectfully ask for your support in bringing this transformational project to life for our students and community. Thank you. And I want to thank you again for being here and answering all the questions. Of course. I do have a couple before you sit back down. Of course. Most related to the trees and the tree removal plan. I guess when I was reading through this, it appears to me that there are several different reasons that are impacting the trees. There's the construction, there's the parking, there's the walking path. Do you have a breakdown of kind of how many trees are impacted for each of these different types of things? I do. And I'm trying to see if this is... There's the walking path. Do you have a breakdown of kind of how many trees are impacted for each of these different types of things? I do. And I'm trying to see if this is the best site plan to look at while I go through it. But if you need, we can request to a different slide. Or is that tree removal? Oh, that's not. OK, I'm sorry. Sorry. So I'll just kind of go through it. So there's five trees in the northwestern area. We initially hoped to preserve, but the city landscape and architects' recommendation said that they likely wouldn't survive construction. So that's kind of a breakdown there. Nine trees on the north side have to be removed to install stormwater management system, which will improve city water quality. And then eight trees are going to be removed to create the south east parking area, providing off-street parking. And then we're trying to preserve, or we will preserve the grow of trees to the south with remaining removals limited to areas along the north and south side for parking and the middle for the building footprint as well. Okay. So then, so it's five for construction, nine for stormwater, eight for the southeast parking area. Does that mean all the rest are for the walking path? That doesn't sound quite right. There's about 80 trees that will be removed. I want to be transparent on that. And some are, you know, we submitted to the Planning Commission a very detailed analysis of some certain trees and it has to do with just like the critical root zone of those trees and the impacts that they will feel during construction they wouldn't be safe in the future and they need to be replanted. I guess what I'm trying to get at and sure we can give you time is exactly back to this is back to this. To me, it feels like there are certain things where we know there's going to be some impact, like stormwater or construction or the parking. But I'm wondering if the majority are in regards to the walking path. Is there a different plan that we could explore for a walking path that would result in less impact to the tree care? Yes. don't impact the't impact the paths at all, like if we don't patch them or anything, we can say about 14 to 15 trees of the 80. Yes. OK. Um. Well, yeah, 80 miles. Right. I don't have a calculator in front of me. That's all established on this diet. Mental math is not my first. OK. So then what number is that? So we'd be at 42 total impact trees. That sounds correct. Yeah. We'll give you a chance and we can all triple track that before I go to my colleague though. I know you, this is probably a question for Jack or our parks and recs team. I know you my colleague though. I know you, this is probably a question for Jack or our parks and recs team. I know you mentioned some trees have been explored or looked at by our arborists. Are all trees in good health or is there still another impact that we have here? I'm just trying to get a total impact of the trees. Right. What we can do is actually I'll defer to Beth's Ninersick. I'm sorry, Jack Broin with the Department of Recreation, Deputy Director for Park Services. The trees are all inventory for any development project school city, you know, private development and they're given a rating and based on that rating, trees that are in, you know, decline or unhealthy will get a lower rating and in most cases those will be removed part of the construction. And then we also have, you know, invasive species throughout the city. That's also an opportunity for us to remove trees at that time to preserve the natural habitat, and then also an opportunity to replant. But Beth has been looking at the plans today, and maybe able to shed some additional light on that. Thank you. Thank you for the record that's nitrousic with recreation parks and cultural activities. And as Jack mentioned, we do have several categories of reasons why trees are slated for removal on this project. Some are the construction impacts which we have more control over. Some are for invasive species removal which which we coordinate in compliance with our city's landscape guidelines. And then the other ones we slate for removal are related to the condition of the trees. As mentioned, as part of the landscape guidelines, all trees are inventory and given a condition rating. And there are notes identified for each one of these individual trees stating not only what their condition is, but then if there are other indicators such as dead branches in the canopy, rot in any of the roots or in the trunk itself, and things of that nature, which would help us to identify that these would be things we'd want to remove for a safety aspect. Okay. Ms. Nider, say, while we're doing the rest of the questions, is it possible to get the number that are proposed to move because they're invasive and the number that are proposed to remove because of their condition? We could try to tally that for you quickly, because I think it was super helpful to have the construction, the stormwater parking if we can get a total number then I think we can figure out what's a path forward that allows us to save. Councilman Chapman. I think you met a matter of running through that list. I think one of the things that we might probably on our side, on the city side, we might want to work with applicants on in the future when they do have to remove trees as being able to talk about this like this. Because I think what went to the community or what the community is at least emailed us is the full number of trees that are being removed regardless of the reason. And so if you have a bunch of disease trees, that needs to be something that community knows. That hey, these trees that are being removed due primarily to this instruction are actually disease and might not survive. That conversation needs to happen so that people have a full understanding of what's going on. And I don't think we can necessarily rely, and this is not against the applicant. ability because we're already doing some of the inventory. I think we have the ability to really put out that information in a strong way. We have had projects in the past, not necessarily with ACPS, but with private entities and applicants where that has been the case as well, and we've never told that story. And I think it's in our best interest to tell that story because it's our community that's reacting to whatever happens. And so if we have a building, if we're renovating something, if we're tearing down something, and we have opportunity to tell why specific trees or groups of trees or types of trees are being taken away. I think it's in our best interest to do that regardless of the applicant. So are there more questions for the applicant? I'm going to go to Vice Mayor Bagley, Councilman on Newbie, and then what we might do is since you've been here with us, we'll close the public hearing and continue discussion. So, Vice Mayor Bagley. And my apologies if in the running around that you've seen me doing, I missed if there was a discussion on this, but one of the elements that we didn't inventory in the discussion of trees was the geothermal project. I'm just wondering, can you speak just to that in a little detail? Is there a proposal for Geothermal and how does it impact at all the canopy? Yeah, of course. So Geothermal is proposed for this project. It's essential and get against to the lower UI on the building. That is proposed in a less bright and maybe it's generally in the area of the northern inside of the property, generally in the area of the field. Yeah, it's the center of the field so there isn't really an impact to the trees on that. A lot of the tree removal is one related to the building footprint or storm water grading as I previously mentioned. Okay. So, I just want to be sure I understand. So the geothermal project does not explicitly itself require us a set number of trees. Correct. Okay. Just wanted to clear that piece as I looked over the project description. Councilman O'Neal be. I don't have questions for the applicants more or lower comment towards their part. So I think maybe I should close the public hearing. Yes, would you like to make a motion to close public hearing? I'll make a motion if not my colleagues have anything. All right, motion to close public hearing. Second. All right, there has been a motion by Councilional newbie and a second by Councilmember Pike to close the public hearing. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed. All right. There has been a motion by Councilman O'Neubi and a second by Councilman McPike to close the public hearing. All those in favour? I. Aye. Any opposed? All right. The I's have it. So the public hearing is closed. We will continue with discussion. Do you want to start Councilman O'Neubi? Yes. Thank you. Madam Mayor. So, with the fields, I appreciate ACPS pulling back the artificial turf. I, one of the biggest concerns I had, and this, as we saw now, this was just an option, and by no means we had to do it, so I'm glad they pulled it back, because that would have been a deal breaker for me on this project, so I appreciate that. Again, it goes back to, if we would have done three stories, we would have had more space to do these other things, but again, I'm not going to beat this dead horse any longer. About the fence, I appreciate what my colleagues commented about the fence I agree I'm in agreement with my colleagues I don't agree with ACPS solution for the fence I appreciate where ACPS comes from and safety and security I From my perspective as a council members member of this body We took at the impacts of these solutions broadly and how they impact the broader community where I appreciate where ACPS Coming from from their perspective from my perspective this solution is not the right solution from a community perspective and help impacts the community. And I'm not gonna repeat what my colleagues said on defense. Actually, let me stop here and ask our staff, planning and zoning staff. If we would, at the time to make a motion, if we would want to add a condition to pull that fence back, where's that in the conditions? That was 13, I believe, can you correct me now? Yes, sir. It was 13 if you wanted to add it. That's where all the landscaping conditions are. If you wanted to add a D, you could add it there. You would add a D, thank you for that. All right, pickleball. I will add this. For all seriousness, that tennis court will have pickleball lines added to it. As we're doing, we know it's popular, it has demand. However, what I will ask our RPCA staff, I see you guys are here. I know we're going through revising the master plan for parks and correct. So what I would ask is we would evaluate the standards for how close multi-use courts are to residential dwellings. Because like in this case, I know when I went on Google Maps and measured there are several houses within 100 feet, it's different when it's tennis, when it's pickleballed pickleballed. It's very different sound and very different disturbance to the neighbor. So I would ask that we evaluate from that lens as we look at our courts and our master plan. Yes, absolutely. You can guarantee that we will do that. Thank you. Or I will guarantee you, rather. I appreciate that. OK. I appreciate that. All right. That's all I have for now, Madam Mayor. I'm going to say my comments, and I'll call the rest of you, because I am navigating my child care's running out, so my children might be coming back here. So just trying to figure that out. I guess a couple things. One, there were comments raised about off-leash dogs. I just want to be clear to the public, but also to staff. And I know Mr. Manager, we talked about this when we had something at the public hearing. The off-leash dogs are not acceptable period. That's the requirement of all of our parks. And so whatever we need to do from an enforcement standpoint, We need to make sure we're getting that taken care of. So I don't know if staff wants to comment or what the plan is. I think that's when we just need to make. Very. and so whatever we need to do from an enforcement standpoint, we need to make sure we're getting that taken care of. So I don't know if staff wants to comment or what the plan is, I think that's when we just need to make very clear. I mean, yes, there is definitely a problem throughout the city, all over the city, with dog owners taking liberty, and I think their dogs run off leash where they choose. So that is something that we continually work with our neighbors. When we're out in the field, we talk to our animal enforcement officers to try to assist. We just can have to continue with the educational campaign to try to get that point across. That it is not the appropriate thing to do on school property in also in areas that are not designated for that purpose. So I would say let's figure out both the educational campaign, but also what is the enforcement campaign so that we are a little more, I mean we have the rules, we got to enforce the rules. And I guess going back to the trees, I know we'll have more dialogue and there's more questions. I just for my colleagues to know where I'm at on this, I would like to, I think again as I mentioned, there's some that just are going to be impacted from construction, the storm water, the parking. I'm still waiting, I guess, on the number on the invasive and conditions, but I think where other trees can be saved, I think we should make that a priority. And so if there's a way to come up with a different walking path solution, or even we just don't address the walking path, I think that is necessary to save the trees. On the fencing, I hear the concerns of the parents about safety and so I'm not saying no fence. What I am thinking is that I still think there is a way to meet the needs of the school while also with the community. And I think having a scaled back fence does not mean that children cannot play. So I just think that there has to be a way that we can move this back. My recommend, I mean, I can't make a motion, but my thinking or thoughts on this would be, I think there's an opportunity to fence in the things that are near the school, the turf, the playground, the gray box court over there, and have great signage, and there can still be shared use opportunities, but that still allows the field to be more open. And I think that is consistent what we've seen with other places as well. I still, I think we're waiting on an answer about what the gentleman raised as regards to loading and trucks and noise and the SUP. Do we have an update on that? Yes, I looked at a prior, there was a prior approval for the additions to George Mason back in 2012. It refers to hours of operation that are similar to our current noise ordinance, which is what the conditions say they have to comply to. So there's no changes in how they should be operating where there's no deliveries before 7 AM. Okay, so just to make sure that I repeated back. So because of the noise ordinance, we have an ability to enforce that if deliveries start coming before 7 AM, there is an enforcement mechanism that says that is not allowed. Correct. Okay. And should the resident have concerns or experience this? Is that a 3-1-1? Is there a wood department? How does that work? Who should they... I want to make sure they have the clearest contact. Yes, I believe 3-1-1 would probably be the best method to do that. Thank you. Then let me return to my colleagues for questions or comments. Vice Mayor Bagley. Thank you, Mayor Gaskins. And to take that a step further, I think through one's a great resource. But as we've talked about with other projects today, having a point of contact just right there at the school, I don't think is asking too much in terms of being neighborlies. So I think we've had other projects today that have offered, I think it's a cool set that they you know staff on site So I would just ask that somebody a phone number and email address be designated You know as the community contact and it might already be But I just like to take that a step further. I love 311 But if it's a neighbor to neighbor issue, let's speed it up Councilman Chapman oh Go ahead it wasn't on that councilman was it on that or can I go to something else? So my colleagues are saying to me it's like you know be clear about is this someone is it a principal the school is it a facilities maintenance person but let's let's try to resolve maybe before we all you know leave today potentially just your ideas on who that contact person can be. If you're able to speak to it now, I mean that would be great. Sure, yeah, I mean three one ones are obviously forwarded on to ACPS. We do have the ASCAT ACPS which will then immediately be forwarded to my team. The deliveries that are related with the school are most, I would say mostly for school nutrition services to bring food on to the site during the day. So we will obviously comply with the noise ordinance. The principle, this of the school information is obviously on the website. The principle should know to contact facilities but my contact information and I just want to offer that personally is on the website as well. So I can, I like to steer people where they need to go, so I can offer that. And then I'll also just say during the point of construction where there will be a lot of, you know, either noise issues or something like that, we work very closely with code enforcement. We will also be having a point of contact with our construction manager as well as APCPS staff. So I just want to let everybody know that that will be plastered everywhere. And thank you and I mean sometimes what our mayor does is you know you're here, the gentleman's here. If it's possible, you know, I mean just to connect with each other and I appreciate what you're saying during construction. I assume there will be a standard posted construction site with the required notifications on it that we see all over the city at construction sites. So that's, that was my comment there. And then shifting back to the trees. I wanted to just ask, and I hope there are people working on the math or, you know, aligning things, but I actually want to take this just a step further because I think it matters. If it's possible, not just, you know, 14 are invasive and 12 are dying, but actually, like, of the eight for the parking, you know, this many, this that and the other, and of the five for this. because I do actually think that kind of matters in addressing what is the general community concern about taking down trees. And, you know, it would be nice if the eight coming down for parking, if most of them fell into, you know, the invasive category or the diseased category, or you see what I'm getting at. And so some of these things are nice to have, the pathway alterations, and some of them are a little necessary to have, depending on your point of view, storm water, construction, parking. And so are we moving in that direction? I saw some papers being passed to address those figures. Thank you for the additional layer of questioning. Right now we were able to do some of the math and come up with that higher level answer for you is that we have approximately 43 invasive or unhealthy trees and we believe that also includes a few trees that are already dead on site. And that would leave 37 trees, which include 15 for pathway improvements, five unhealthy in the northwest corner, eight in the southeast parking area, which would be impacted by that, southeast parking lot, and nine impacted by storm water management. So then, okay. They say, I guess, let me tell you what I'm trying to get to. I want it, and then, sorry to interrupt, but I just want to make sure I'm tracking the math and then maybe you can be played it's back. If we want to limit the impact on trees as much as possible and potentially doing something different with the walkway since that seems to be the base. Given the number of invasive, the construction, the stormwater, and the parking area, how many untouched trees would that leave if we don't do the pathway improvement? So if I may just to say it a slightly different way if we looked at alternate options which ACPS has indicated they're willing to work with the city during final site plan we would be be able to potentially not impact up to 15 trees. Yes. Not in the same. Correct. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just, I'm. Yeah, and and that's because you said 43 in Vase ever on healthy and I think that like that's a good pause moment also as well for the community, any time an application, a development happens in the community, tree inventory is done. To varying degrees, we're always doing tree inventories, but we can't be everywhere all the time. So, especially when an application comes forward, a tree inventory is done. And it discovered 43 invasive unhealthy. So for better or worse, like, these are trees that we would have gotten to, potentially at some point anyway Discovered their invasive species and our arborist would have, you know Suggested or move forward with removal Is that a is that fair statement? No, it's it's a good question. Yes, per the city's landscape guidelines when a case comes forward for approvals, we ask for invasive species to be removed from the site and this applies to both herbaceous and trees. And so for that, sometimes there is a phased approach where we would be taking down trees over a few years as new trees are planted to maintain canopy coverage. But in the interest of trying to create the best ecosystem we can in Alexandria, we are working with all our partners and development cases in order to remove invasive species from sites. Okay, so the 80 is 43 invasive healthy, invasive unhealthy plus 37 healthy. That's how we get to 80. Trees impacted. Yes, and I will just go ahead and clarify that we're doing the math very quickly. But the architects team is pulling those numbers for us and they're saying that we have 43 invasive slash unhealthy trees. OK, so there's some little bit, for me, there's a little bit of good news in what we're parsing out here, you know, which is the, it's a smaller number of healthy, non-invasive we're talking about. And then what I've also just heard is of the 37 healthy proposed to be impacted as many as 15 could be saved with a different approach to the pathways. So that takes us down to 22 healthy trees now potentially impacted by southeast parking stormwater construction impacts. I believe that's correct. I'm proud to the math I'm proud of the math I'm doing in an hour eight. I just, okay, that's my question for the moment. No, it's helpful. And I do still think, and I'm glad to hear the openness to looking at a potential different solution or design for the walkway, because I know we're doing this quickly, but who knows knows that might even eliminate additional opportunities. Any other questions or comments? Okay, I see Councilman McPike. Or? Well, having taken in the conversation that we've had on the day S, coordinated by friend, I think we put together a motion that reflects where the council is. So, Madam Mayor, I move that we approved DSCP number 2025-1001, based on the staff report and discussion with the following condition changes. Reverk condition 14 that the Planning Commission changed to the staff version. A men condition 13 to add a section D that moves the fence line to between the playground and the field and work with ACPS to adjust, an instruct staff to work with ACPS to adjust the walkway to save as many healthy, non-invasive trees as possible. There has been a motion in a second. Councilor McPlay, can I just ask you to repeat section the change to section D again? I just wanna make sure I capture it off. A min condition 13 to add a section D that moves the fin sign to the border between the playground and the field. Madam mayor if I could if you would like to revert it's actually condition number three. I apologize. No, I just want to make sure we get it correct. So condition three to the staff version. Thank you. And is there still a section D on that or is it just condition three? Condition three is related to the unchanged language from piece of the other one. 13D is the new one related to the funds, I believe. Okay. So there has been a motion and a second to approve development special use permit number 2025-1001. With the following conditions, it would be changing condition three back to the staff recommendation. it would be changing condition 13 to add a section D that moves the fence line between the border with the playground and the field and then provides direction for staff to go back with the applicant to explore an alternative solution for the walking path. Okay, any discussion? Mr. City Manager. Okay. I just said did the council want to my note had something about the onsite point of contact? Yes. Which condition will we need to amend to identify an onsite contact? It's okay, take your time. Would it be the preference of the council to add that condition? We have a code section in the end which references our nose ordinance, noise ordinance that says they have to comply with these Nords regulations. Does it make sense to add language under that code section saying violations of any issues with this nose ordinance should be reported to this person? Is there something to that effect? Okay, let me find that for you. I guess my question would be, I think the idea of having an on-site contact would be beyond noise like any sort of question or concern who are we directing people to. I would suggest that's probably a new condition based on the conditions I saw that you could write it in in line with a senior on-site point of contact would be provided for any issues that the residents may have or any lays out opportunities or discussions including enforcement activities. Does that language work for the council? For a lead, I guess, a identified liaison for resident or community concerns with a clear single point of contact and phone number and information and we're adding a new condition It would be number 95 number 95 Okay So then I guess somebody else needs to make a friendly amendment to theirs to add number 95 You know if the agrees will amend our I'm no in that condition without anybody having to propose it. Thank you for making it easier for me. Okay. Any other discussion? Vice Mayor Bagley. I'm not seeking to amend anything. Just to be clear, but in response to the comment about the invasive and the 43 trees invasive and unhealthy that are going to be removed. I would ask that as in our ongoing communication, whatever if there are construction meetings that now happen with the community, if this sort of ongoing updates, the extent to which our arborist can sort of speak proactively, you said sometimes that's done in phases. Sometimes that we take different approaches and so I would just ask now that we're identifying that over half of these, for real health and in every reasons are being removed. But let's proactively communicate, will you see a phased removal? And how can a resident tell, do you wrap an orange flag around it? Do you tag it in a specific way? Because these neighbors are going to walk around. And I think it could help if they actually see like this one's going but this is why an orange tag means X or a blue clip means why. Sorry, you know my mic's losing it. To take it a step further, one of the things that we heard in the testimony was about the residents that have worked so hard to help with these trees. I think in some of the written letters we receive, we heard about tree stewards and other groups that are actively working in the community. I think it would be great if there's some sort of partnership and working directly with the residents and their expertise as well, align with our arborist on how we do this in a way that sort of meets our environmental goals and what we're really trying to see here. So, okay, any other discussion? Got some of McPike. I just want to thank everyone on the staff and at ACPS and in the community who've engaged with us on this and worked with us. I wish this was a three story building because I think a lot of discussions we're having now would not have occurred. But this is still going to be a great school for the kids who go there. It's going to be an important mark of investment in our young people, and I look forward to seeing the project moving forward. And the students in the schools in a couple years in enjoying it and learning it. Thank you. I'm Councilman Green. Yep, just really quickly. I also just wanted to thank Sophie and the team for being here all day with us. Thank you. Okay, with that, there's been a motion in a second, and I don't see, nope, I do. No, it's my, oh, it's all your mic going on. And I don't see any other discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. The motion carries 7-0. Thank you all for your time. Madam Clerk, next item. Public hearing, second reading and final passage of an ordinance to amend Title 11, chapter 5, noise ordinance to ban the use of gas power leaf lowers. OK. Let me check with my colleagues. I don't think we need a presentation on this one. Just okay. So with that, we're going to, I'm going to give staff a minute to get up here. I don't want to rush them. And then we'll go right into the public hearing. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to turn it over to Vice Mayor Bagley for a second and then I'll be right back All right Samantha dode Paul to court and Andrew McDonald's Please feel free to use both lecterns if you're in the room. Thanks. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you this evening. I want to express my gratitude to you and to staff for creating this proposal. I also want to recognize the responsiveness to the community in proposing a shortened phase-in period of 18 months. I strongly support this ban with an 18-month phase-in period and appreciate Alexandria serving as the first for genuine jurisdiction to address the problems posed by these machines. Getting here has been a long multi-year process for the citizens. As you may recall, this issue came to the forefront during COVID when the noise from the machines became a significant obstacle to work, schooling, and leisure at home. Since then, gas powered leaf lowers have continued to cause pervasive, overwhelming, and unnecessary noise throughout our communities. They're used across the city, primarily by landscaping companies to move lightweight plant materials seven days a week, nine to ten months a year. One machine can be heard by neighbors inside their homes blocks away in all directions, which is decidedly Unnably, I would suggest Citizens have complained for years, but were advised there was nothing that could be done as Actually needed to be taken at the state level Bill supported by the city was introduced in general assembly in 2022 and failed So a citizen petition was created and signed by 366 Alice andrians asking the city to use the noise ordinance to limit the use of these machines. But we were told that that was not possible. Here are three of the dozens of comments on that petition. We live in Del Rey and have constantly flowing noise all year long. My husband and I love our neighborhood, but the noise may drive us out. As a new mom who walks her infant in the neighborhood daily, I respectfully request you to take action to eliminate gas powered leaf blowers, these machines are bad for the environment and my baby's ears. The lawn company that manages our rental building spends four to six hours every week using leaf blowers directly outside of our building is unbearable to all of us and we've continued to file complaints. There was no state bill in 2023. In 2024, a bill was introduced again and supported by the city. Residents traveled to Richmond and exercised our right to blast leaf blowers in front of the state capital, getting us front-page coverage in the Richmond times the spatch. But legislators there told us to go back home and use our noise ordinance. So, which you can imagine was quite frustrating for all of us. Finally, delegate Bennett Parker, requested an opinion of the Attorney General, is August 2024 opinion, cites to city's authority to adopt the ordinances for the preservation of the safety, health, peace, good order, comfort, convenience, morals, and welfare of his inhabitants, and concluded that Alexandria does have authority to ban gas power leaf blowers. Since that ruling, I am very grateful that you all have acted swiftly. I recognize that while other jurisdictions in the area and the country have already banned these singularly obnoxious machines, you are the first to do so in the Commonwealth. I strongly support a ban in an 18-month phase-in period as a compromise between citizens and land scapers. Thank you for taking this action to make our city more healthy, peaceable, and a beautiful place to live. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Next speaker is Paul DeCourt. Hello, and good evening. I'm Paul DeCourt. I've been a resident of the city, homeowner, for 40 years. I've worked with many of my neighbors on hopefully banning these gas power, power to leave floors and yes, we did go to Richmond and yes, we did run the leaf blowers out in front of the Capitol building was quite a day. I want to thank you for considering even banning these leaf blowers and understanding this is a historic opportunity for the city of Alexandria that really set the pace and opportunity to really claim its nickname, echo city, where the city proclaims in writing. We seek to create an environmentally, economically and socially healthy city where people can live work, and play for decades to come. And I must say that it will be so much easier without the noise of those gas, but it's not just the noise. You've read the literature. I know I've sent you some of that. Those machines are particularly noxious in terms of the pollution and so forth. So we applaud you for taking this on. And being the first jurisdiction state, commonwealth, to do this. I hope you will consider, I personally hope you will consider, a phasing period based of one year, one year, because when we look at the average income or revenues of these, I call them lawn service companies, they are quite wealthy and they can afford to bake this transition. And when you look at the numbers, you'll probably agree it's not a terrible hardship to convert to electric. On this one machine we're talking about. And the other piece of this, which I don't think has been mentioned yet, is about the hours of operation. Law and service companies are allowed to work earlier and later, and on Sundays in the city, as opposed to, say, construction contractors. Now, you know from the noise, the noise ordinance, what those hours probably are, but I'll just remind you that the law service folks are allowed to start earlier, and they're allowed to work later till 9 p.m. And they're allowed to work on Sundays, and it didn't always, it wasn't always that way in the city. And as I understand it, there was a change to the ordinance some time ago, which will basically decoupled the lawn service companies from the same requirements of the construction companies. And I wasn't sure why and I was told by someone with the city that it was to allow the homeowner to be able to cut their grass or have someone cut it on a Sunday evening. Well, it doesn't make a lot of sense for that because if you protect the homeowners right to manage their property and do a little bit of construction work on their home even on Sundays or cut the grass even on Sundays. You're only doing what they're allowed to do already. Thank you. In terms of the construction part of the noise ordinance. Thank you. So I'm just hoping you'll recognize that too. Thank you so much. We appreciate your testimony. Thank you for staying so long for us. Thank you. Next speaker please. Andrew McDonald, Greg DeLawie. Madam Mayor and members of City Council, I'll be very brief. I know you all want to leave. And you've done a great job today. So thank you very much for listening to everybody and taking their concerns so thoughtfully. I support this. I thank the staff and you for promoting this effort and all the community who's been working to ban these things. They produce an enormous amount of pollution, enormous amount of noise. And a lot of times they just blow the leaves into the streets where the city then has to come in and pick them up or they clog the storm source. So there's a lot of reasons. It would be great simply to reduce this period of time to a year, I agree. People can use things called rakes and brushes and things. I mean, there are other things. But we have the next three months. We know we can buy the supply chain from China. We have three months. You can buy your leaf blower from China. Steel makes them in the US. So I don't think it would be too difficult to reduce this to one year, but I'll leave it up to you to decide. But thank you very much for going. Thank you. Next speaker. Mayor, City Council members, thank you for staying so late to talk about this issue. My name is Greg Delowy. I've lived in Alexandria off and on since 1988, and I have a question. How do you know it's a beautiful day in Alexandria? It's not just the blue skies, the sun, or the fresh breeze. No, it's because you hear the sounds of two, three, or more gas-powered leaf blowers, like hundred decibel wasps, droning at you from all points of the compass. These machines are noisy, cause pollution, and make it difficult for people to sleep during the day. The noise of these machines is worse than a low-flying airplane because it goes on for half an hour, an hour, or more. Even when it finally stops, the racket is likely to resume shortly thereafter from yet another yard in the neighborhood. It happens not just in the fall, but in the spring and summer as well. These leaf blowers make it hard to enjoy being outside in an Alexandria yard or one of our mini small parks. I'm privileged to be able to sleep mostly at night. Many Alexandrians, however, are not so lucky. They're medical personnel, public safety workersning on watch officers and others who work through the night and have to catch whatever sleep they can while the gas powered wasps are droning on. Imagine the disappointment. New parents must feel when they finally get their babies down to sleep in the middle of the day and a gas powered leaf blowerower stops up in the interrupts. A closed window only dulls the sound. It does not block it entirely. The two stroke engine used by these leaf blowers are extremely polluting. You can drive a modern gas powered car for 1,000 miles, and it will not pollute our air or the Chesapeake Bay as much as one of these machines. They represent a classic economic externality in which the owner of the equipment does not bear the full cost of using it instead the cost and noise, stress, and pollution is borne by those of us in the community and the workers who operate them. Electric leaf blowers are a lot quieter than the gas version and are a viable alternative. One that would impose a much less significant burden on surrounding neighbors and on their workers. The District of Columbia has imposed a leaf blower blast gas power leaf blower band for three years, and no one has yet had to fight their way through a pile of leaves to exit from their house or their apartment building. Montgomery County's ban will take effect soon. It's time for us to join these neighboring jurisdictions. I too commend the City Council and the City staff for taking up this issue and for collecting important data before proposing an ordinance. I urge the City Council to pass the draft ordinance on gas power leaf floors and to do so with the shortest feasible phase out period Doing so would be a big step to implementing our vision of being Ecosidial Alexandria. Thank you so much. Thank you. We have two more speakers the next speaker is miss Susan Davis And then following her will be mr. Edward O'Keefe. I'll see you soon on the Susan O'Keefe. Okay. Then we're going to move to Mr. Edward O'Keefe. Hi, thank you for having me. I spend a lot of time reading and painting outside, and it's obviously very disruptive to hear the leaf blowers two to three hours a day, it's a nice day outside. But sometimes, you know, like I sit and I watch them, and if it's not in the fall, they're just blowing basically dust and dirt around. I see them sometimes, they'll into a neighbor's driveway and they'll blow the dust out onto the sidewalk and onto the streets and then they'll go onto the sidewalk and the street in front of the neighbor's house and just blow that down in front of someone else's house. And then a couple hours later, another lawn care company will come and they'll blow that dust right back in front of the previous person's house. If the problem is that there's some essential nature to these leaf blowers that they provide some essential utility, which needs a three month phase out period as the long-care company is requested, it would be just to blow the leaves when they fall in autumn. But if that's the case, I don't see why we couldn't ban the lead blowers as soon as possible within a few weeks. But allow or approve for this upcoming fall a month or two month period during which the lead blowers may be allowed. Because the rest of the time it is non-essential and extremely disruptive. And also I'd like to add that when I'm, you know, like walk around the neighborhood or when other other people walk around the neighborhood, all that dust that's gets blown up, even in the fall, but especially in the periods when there's no leaves on the ground, it just goes into the air, blows up these big dust clouds, people have to bring that in. It's very unhealthy. That's all. Thank you. And I've just been informed we have one more speaker sign up. I'll end Clark. Okay, then Mr. O'Keefe will be our last speaker. Is there a motion to close the public hearing? All right, there's a motion by Councilman Egury. Is there a second? The second by Councilwoman Greene. Any discussion? Hearing none? All those in, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, it was just the public hearing. Oh, thank you. All those in favor of closing the public hearing, please say, sorry, I, any opposed? Okay, the eyes have it. This time, we will go to council, comments, and questions, councilman McPike, and then vice mayor Bagley. So I don't have any questions for staff. I just wasn't here on Tuesday when we discussed this. So I wanted to thank the Council for the work that you all put in. I think the compromised position on the 18 months for what they've phased in is the right step. I think that it achieves a good balance between the city's responsibility and residents. And also, I'm very happy to see staff brought this to us so quickly and so effectively. We're banging this under the noise ordinance and these truly are 100 decibel wasps, as Mr. Deloie said, but truly I worry about the environmental impact of these devices, not only the just unregulated carbon that they're putting out in the air, the health impacts on the people who are working for hours, breathing in that smog, and the effects it has on their bodies. This is, I think, a great step that we're taking, hopefully today. And sorry I wasn't here on Tuesday, but very happy to be here today to vote in favor of it. Okay, Vice Mayorley, Evan Kelsman, O'Neube. Thank you, Mayor Gaskin's and staff for coming on at 5.30 on a Saturday, you know, after being here all day. So, and thank you to all the speakers. I do want to take a moment. I know Susan Davis wasn't here to speak, but for anybody who's been involved in this effort, Susan Davis was central to it. And so I understand why she might not be be here but I wanted to be noted for the record that Susan was a huge part of the public advocacy on this and I certainly appreciate her work. I was hoping staff could just speak to one or two things quickly. One, I just wanted to clarify for the public and I guess, you something that I support. There's one year offer the city. So the city is going to phase out all of it. There are a lot of our gas powered on leaf-flower items within a year. And so as you've heard 18 months kind of talked about today, that's for the city for a non-city-owned devices. That would be your personal device or a landscaping company's devices. And what I wanted to ask staff is, given where we landed sort of on Tuesday and the conversation about incentives in 18 months, I'm just curious if there was any further update, dialogue, comment on recommendations or suggestions moving forward on that point. Yeah, I mean, our plan is now, after Council's action tonight, then spend the summer deciding what those incentives would be. I will say that we just signed an agreement with clean air partners or we are in the process of executing agreement with them for the lower exchange program for residential. So that will hopefully, they have a campaign that's going on right now outside of our support of the city. We're hoping to add additional support to that for the current summer. So that incentive would be available for residential. We have done some analysis of what other incentives are available out there. We're trying to do is figure out who needs the incentives and then what we would be able to incentivize within our existing authority. It's not just obviously the city cannot provide direct incentives, so we have to find a partner for that. It's also what level of incentive is available. We had talked to Clean Air Partners about providing some commercial equipment this year. And it's too expensive and they would have to issue tax receipts and things like that to recipients. So figuring out the mechanics of what that would be and at what level we would want to provide incentives. And we're still working through that. But this initial agreement with Clean Air Partners will help us sort through the mechanics of it. I appreciate that and I think what I'm hearing is the research on potential incentives and a return to council, you know, in the future Well before the 18 month periods has expired will happen. The related question I have is, should this ban be successful this evening? What steps do you have in mind to begin as promptly as possible communicating, recombunicating to businesses who will be impacted by it? So we aren't having sort of a crush at the end of people expressing a challenge. Yeah, Jesse Main, Stormwater Management Division, Chief of Tess, we were putting together a communications plan, so we will start communicating this to the public if you all do pass this in plenty of time and start, really start the summer with the communications to make sure that we reach as many folks as possible. Dual language, the whole nine yards working through our communicators in OCC. I think you and I, I guess if I can look to the city manager, maybe my colleagues, I mean, even if it's in an oral port from the city manager at some point, you know, at the end of the summer, but I'd like to know that that comm's plan has some urgency to it and that we can get an update on it, not necessarily the voting matter, but just, you know, and have an opportunity to express some feedback or, you know, sign off. And if I could just add that communication has already begun both between transportation, environmental services, RPCA and the Office of Climate Action. And I forgot to say Ryan Fried, Climate Action Officer, when I started this. But the other thing is we hosted some demonstrations for both staff and contractors with three manufacturers, four manufacturers, of gas law and equipment generally. So that communication has already begun, and not just talking about what the ban might be, but giving them alternatives and hands on experience with that equipment. So staff has been very proactive with this already. Thank you for that. I'd like to put emotion on the floor. Obviously we can continue the dialogue but given the lightness of the hour. So I'd like to put a motion on the floor. Obviously we can continue the dialogue, but given the lateness of the hour. And so I'd like to move that we approve on second reading and final passage in ordinance to amend Title 11, Chapter 5, no ordinance to ban the use of gas powered leaf blower. Second, okay. There has been a motion by Vice Mayor Bagley. I had a second by Councilwoman Green. Any discussion? You know, Councilman Olniby had to stand up. Yeah, I had a question for staff. Um. Mayor Bagley, I had a second by Councilwoman Green, any discussion? You know, Councilman O'Neubi had his hand up. Yeah, I had a question for staff. Um, I'm sorry. Are there, we received an email from a resident complain about some electric leaf blowers, or as loud as the guest leaf blowers, and have like a high pitch and can be as disturbing as well. This doesn't cover something like this. The way we're passing it right now because we're specifically saying guest leave blowers is that correct and if that's true what can we do about the electric ones? Because why we're taking care of the environmental piece here, the quality of life part, if we still have those loud things going. It's not mean taking care of. and Jesse Maynes with tests. Yes, so there were some of the studies that we looked at comparing the differences in decibels for gas-powered leaf blowers and electric leaf blowers and across the board. You know, there may be some of those outliers across the board. They were showing that the decibels are less for the electric-powered leaf blowers. One of the other things that they talked about was the kind of noise, right? So while the decibels are higher for gas power leaf blowers, they also the way the noise is generated in the frequency, I'm not a acoustic engineer, but the frequency of it travels farther and can penetrate more into homes. So just the nature of the noise being generated by the gas power leap lower, the engine itself, it's usually typically the decibels are higher and then the way it's generated to it travels farther. But to answer your question, yes, this would be banning the gas power leap lower I mean, I'm obviously I'm supportive. Hopefully we're going to pass this. I would say just keep an eye out if we find that there are some electric blowers that are causing disturbance that we find the solution. And see if we can address that in the future. Absolutely noted. Okay, any other discussion? All right, hearing none, there has been a motion by Vice Mayor Bagley and a second by Councilwoman Green. All those in favor say aye. Councilwoman Green. I'm sorry, this is a roll call, this is a roll call, this is a roll call. Sorry. Thanks Mayor Bagley. Councilwoman Green. Mayor Gaskins. Aye. Okay, here, Councilman Chapman, Councilman Elnubi, Councilman McPike. I. Okay, it passes. Madam Clerk, I guess it's not exactly an exciting, but we have an executive session, so I'm just gonna go straight to my colleague, Councilman McGuirey. Madam Mayor, I move the City Council convene and closes the guest session, pursuant to Virginia Code Section 2.2,.2-3711-A6 discussion and consideration of the investment of public funds or computational bargaining is involved. We've made public initially the financial interest of the city would be adversely affected. Okay. Okay, there has been a motion in a second to convene in executive session. All those in favor say I, I, any opposed, say nay? All right, the eyes have it. We are now in executive session. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Councilman Aguirre. Aye. Councilman Chapman. Mayor Gaskins. Aye. I'm in her bag, Lee. Y'all smell newbie. Y'all so warm and green. Y'all Councilman Gary. Aye. Councilman Chadler. Mayor Gaskins. Aye. Ice Mayor Bagley. Councilman Elnubi. Councilwoman Green. Aye. Councilman McPike. Aye. Okay, is there a motion to adjourn? No, no. Second. No. I'm sorry. I agree. There has been a motion by Councilman Elnubi and then second by council in green to adjourn. All those in favor? So, any opposed? All right, meeting adjourned. Thank you. Happy set. you