you Good morning. This is Loretta's from the Chambers. Can you all hear me? Morning, Lord. Morning, Lord. Morning, Lord. Good morning, Lord. Good morning to all. We currently, I see Mr. by any I'm Mr. Rodriguez to board members. We do need all board members, the four board members that we have to be present for Quorum. We have applicants here in the chambers as well, the first applicant, and second item is also present on my screen via Zoom. So we'll just give Mr. Basua, Mr. Corral, a few minutes. Thank you. I also have on the agenda, Election of Chair and Vice Chair, which is overdue. So Mr. Baena, obviously, we'll be up to you if you take that on today or not, but it is overdue. Okay's a broad of assues, names up. Welcome, good morning. We cannot hear you, but we see your name. There you are. Welcome. Good morning, Mr. Pesso. Good morning. We are currently waiting for Mr. Corral to get the meeting on its way. We are recording, and we have applicants present and chambers, the first item. And our second item is present also. Thank you. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go ahead and get the floor. I'm going to go to to the morning. Morning. Morning. Morning. Morning. Morning. There you go. And I believe Mr. Corral just joined us. Good morning. Good morning. Sorry about that. I couldn't connect. Morning, Mariano. So we have forum here. That's correct. Okay, we begin. All right, I spoke this minute to order. I'll start with the pleasurable regions. The pleasure legions to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God in the visible, you're really in justice for all. So welcome. Start with city staff. Louder discoverer. Alex, maybe on behalf of the city attorney, although I also see here. Present is the city attorney, Mr. Ressio. Oh my God. We've got a rescue here tonight. so any questions you have. Good morning to everybody. Good morning. Oh my God, we have this presence here. I'm honored. I'll stop it. Any of the other chambers? Marcus life. Thank you. Let's go with the board. We'll call to brother here. But Mariano Corral, landscape architect. I'm sure Adrian is. And I have your buy now. Through the store we're named Mr. Woodie, please. Good morning for everybody and chambers and also everybody who is going to present here on Zoom. I think I see one. I need you to please unmute yourself if you're going to be presenting. And if you could raise your right hand. Do you solemnly attest that the testimony you're going to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Yes sir. Thank you very much. The chair go ahead. Thank you. Start with the first applicant. Miss Lures, please. The first item for review this morning is DRB-2025-016. Applicant South Miami real estate partners, LLC, property owner, southeastern investment group, CORE, locations, 6,800, Southwest 62nd Avenue, for Med Square, South Miami. And the request is basically have two buildings, one of three story, another one of two story, and I'm going to pass the the presentation over to Mark Alvarez, who is here. There's quite a few actually, I believe everyone is for all the applicants are for the first item that are present here in the chambers. Actually, Louis doesn't and Mark, do you mind if I say a couple of words? Go ahead. Just to kind of set the stage, because I don't know that the board has seen an application like this in this context, in the new context. So you are now the first step in this new process for a large scale development approval. You are sitting in a, as a recommendatory body. You guys are making a recommendation based on the same criteria that you always look at. All of the design criteria, but those are going to, you're going to formulate a recommendation to the planning board and to the city commission in the review of the large scale development with waivers that Mark is about to tell you about. So I just wanted to kind of set the stage. If you have any questions, I'm here to answer them. I will be in chambers in about five minutes. Perfect. Good morning. I'm Mark Alvarez with the Couradino Group. I'm here representing the City of Miami staff. I'm a consultant with the City for planning. I'm here actually because this is a very new application. This is under the TSDD zoning, which has a number of different requirements that are basically new for what we're doing. This is a six-story building. It's a medical office building for, it's gonna be on 62nd Avenue. And on the back of it, there's a three-story townhouse building that's separated by an alley. This is exactly to what is prescribed in the downtown TSDD code. So as we went to the edges of the downtown, we lowered our heights, but when we got to this last block, we allowed for a six-story commercial, which offices commercial. And then in back of that as a buffer, and this will happen all along the edges of the downtown as applications come through, we require a townhouse three-story building. It could be two or three stories We've allowed for three because it allows for a more compact building to serve as the buffer and the transition to the neighborhoods behind. The reason for townhouses it presents itself exactly like a single family because it has the door on the front. It's not multi-family. The garages are for each unit underneath. There's a door to the front of the neighborhood. It interacts with the neighborhood in the same manner. This was done so we wouldn't have parking lots and parking garages and the back of house of taller buildings facing neighborhoods. This project has presented that with an alley in between. It has, we have a process in the downtown, the TSDD code called waiVERS. WAVERS are where there is a change in dimensions. It's just where dimensions it's not for uses, but a dimensional change where it can be, go through this process and the commission would approve it. It can be administratively approved, it's under 5% or it can be approved through the commission. This project has two waivers. One is for the top floor. The top two floors, I'm sorry. They're at about 39,000 square feet. And we had set a limit in the downtown, the TSDD code for 25,000 square feet of maximum floor area for any building. And that was a way that we wanted to control the massings of the building. So one of the things we had to deal with in the downtown is we don't have a prescribed set of architectural standards. We went for form standards. So there could be any type of architecture, any vernacular. So we had a lot of form standards. And one of the ones that work for the whole downtown is for that to limit the sizes of our taller buildings in there with dimensions. So that requirement exists in the TSDD. However, we know that there are a number of places where there are unusually shaped blocks or blocks such as this where it's also unusually shaped because of where it's located, it's located at that edge and to have a 20,000 square foot if we divide it into two-town, two smaller buildings, it simply wouldn't work anymore, it wouldn't be viable for development and we do want to have good development in the city. We don't want to completely close it out. So what we have is a waiver process which will go through this board for recommendation. It will go through the planning board, it will go through the commission. We have to find that it has circumstances about the property that caused that. That it's not similar to variance except it's not a hardship. That it's not brought on by the applicant's design and it's not. We've gone through this and we find that it is something that it is, it fits with the neighborhood, it's not uncharacteristic, it would not make the building any larger than what we intended for that block. So we are recommending to approve that waiver and we'll continue with that recommendation to the commission. There is another waiver for the size of the parking stalls. We would intend for the down one of our intentions for the downtown code was to minimize parking wherever we can. We would always rather under park a little bit than over park. This particular project is over park. They have gone way beyond the standards in terms of number of parking spaces and that's because their performer, what they're trying to do, is have a medical office building that has enough spaces. Children's medical to make sure they have enough spaces for people to use that office building. However, they have designed the spaces at the standard size, which we recognize that we would like to have in the downtown. Standard sizes 8.5x18. The downtown code did not create a standard when it was approved. Quite honestly, we think it's an overstrike. We intended to be 8.5 by 18 and not the city standard, which is much more suburban of 9 feet by 18. So we have a waiver to change to go from an aisle size of 23 to 22 and a parking stall of 8, just an unnormal parking stall of 18 by 8.5. Again, we do recommend for approval of that waiver. It's very much in line for what we're trying to do in the downtown. We looked at it from the beginning a year and a half ago and said, we don't want fields of parking. We don't want as much courage as there are in some places we wanted to try to push it down. We always intended for the parking spaces to be smaller. This right now, as it's presented, it does not meet the code, so we are asking for that waiver. Other than that, I'll go through a few things, some key differences, and I think in this board, as you look at the aesthetics and the landscape and some of the issues involved with your review, I think there are a couple of things that you should understand about the downtown code. And again, it's very new. One of the key things, and the drawings I have in front of me, and we just met with the applicant a week ago to change this. But the downtown code no longer requires setbacks and landscape in front of the building. So in other words, a five feet of hedges or grass that would be in front of the building is something we don't want on the primary streets, which would 60-second Avenue. The reason we didn't want that again is throughout the downtown we wanted an urban environment we want eventually to have a very urban environment where people walk by the storefront and they don't walk by five feet of grass or a hedge. So what we've done in the downtown is we are requiring instead of setbacks that buildings have dedications. They dedicate the five feet to the city, they create the sidewalk there, and then we move all the landscaping to the other side, to the street side, to the curb side, so that it protects the pedestrians. It makes absolute sense, but again, it's a little unusual to the code that we have now. So I wanted to explain that, I know the applicants will get up and explain all that as well, but I wanted to familiarize you with that one key change. I think there are probably a few other things but I am here for questions if it comes up and if it's okay, I'll let the applicants present. Okay, again, this is a bit of an unusual hearing, but I'm here for questions regarding the code if anybody wants to ask. Thank you. Morning Board Members Alejandro Arria, offices at 701 Brick Labneh. I'm joined this morning by my colleagues, Alessandre Al-Sarroman, as well as our project architects, Ivo Fernandez and Sydney Lushing from Modus Architects. We are also joined by Project Principal, Alberto Perez, and we are here to answer any questions you may have. We are grateful for the opportunity to be before you this morning and excited to be bringing this transformational project before this board. The subject property encompasses an entire city block between southwest 68th Street to the north, southwest 69th Street to the south, southwest 62nd Avenue to the east and southwest 67th Court to the west, and comprises approximately 1.63 acres. The property fronts on Southwest 62nd Avenue, a major city thoroughfare and is generally unimproved with two existing residential structures situated on six contiguous parcels. A residential subdivision is situated to the West of the property with existing four-story and seven-story offices located to the south as you head towards South Miami Hospital. Larkin hospitals located to the east of the property across the 62nd Avenue. As such, the property is situated within a close proximity of major health care employment centers, office, and residential uses varying from low to high densities. As the city attorney and Mr. Alvarez referenced, the property was recently included as part of the significant city initiated future land use map and zoning atlas amendments, which redesignated the property as transit supportive development district, the TSDD. The city initiated proposal, redesignated and rezoned a significant geographic area of the city, spanning from southwest 64th Street down to southwest 76th Street and from southwest 63rd Avenue to southwest 57th Avenue, encompassing areas such as sunset drive and the U.S. 1 corridor. The implementation and goals of the TSDD regulations include the redevelopment of obsolete commercial properties Promotion of mixed-use strategies to meet housing demands Support for higher density attractive and compatible residential and commercial uses within walking distance of the South Miami Metro rail station All the while protecting South Miami's existing neighborhoods with logical transitions between the downtown area and existing neighborhoods. Within this TSDD area are three respective sub districts. The transit oriented development area, the transit supportive development area, and the transit neighborhood supportive area. Each allowing certain permitted uses, densities, and heights. This property is located within the transit support of development area on the eastern part of the block and the transit neighborhood supportive area on the western part of the block. The transit support of development area allows for a maximum density of 200 dwelling units per acre and a maximum height of 6 stories, 84 feet. The transit neighborhood supportive area allows for a maximum density of 100 dwelling units breaker and a maximum height of six stories, 84 feet. The transit neighborhood supportive area allows for a maximum density of 100 dwelling units per acre and a maximum height of three stories, 40 feet. The TSDD on this property serves to further restrict height and density and most importantly requires townhomes facing the residential neighborhood across southwest 60 second court. A housing typology that necessitates single-family doors on the street to strengthen the character and quiet enjoyment of the neighborhood. In connection with the proposed development program and the special exception request before you today, the applicant is proposing the development of a first-class horizontal mixed use development encompassing a six story, 78,855 square foot medical office building, fronting on Southwest 62nd Avenue. This is an as-of-right use permitted under the transit supported development area. And three story town home units on the western perimeter of the property line, fronting on Southwest 62nd Court, which will serve to provide an appropriate height, transition, and buffer between the medical office building and the residential homes across Southwest 62nd Court. The proposed medical office building will encompass an internalized dedicated patient drop-off and pickup area to prevent any offloading on city street networks. The medical office building will also include four levels of parking garage, a project element that is in the best interest of the city, and office four plates on the fifth and sixth floors. Additionally, the overall project will also provide off-street parking spaces well in excess of the city code requirements to accommodate the project's operational demand. It will provide 372 spaces where 105 are required. Now in order to achieve this horizontal mixed-use development certain waivers have been requested. As stated in the May 2025 staff review comments, this application adheres to the intent of the TSD desoning district with a proposal that meets all requirements and are supportive of the required waivers. At this time, I would like to turn it over to our project architects who will provide further detail into the overall configuration, design, and purposeful implementation of the proposal based on the latest city review comments. Thank you, and I am here to answer any questions you may have. Good morning board members, Evo Fernandez, principal of motor architects. So, as you can see in front of you, you have the site plan for the property and within the context of the neighborhood. Along 60-second avenue, you have mostly commercial areas. So as you can see highlighted in pink, that's what we've concentrated a lot of our ground level retail and commercial spaces. And as Alex had mentioned, the circulation and parking access happens away from 60-second avenue Minimizing the amount of traffic or potential bottleneck in that can occur as you come into the property So in essence as you're driving along 60-second avenue you make a right along the south side let's say for example, and you would make another right into the property right after the commercial liners the Access in that area would then also would be a drop off scenario or parking scenario on the ground floor. And then you have access to the parking ramp that will lead you up to the parking levels above. As you see highlighted in blue and gray, on the west side of the property. You have the three-story residential townhome transition project that we're proposing. Here's a kind of a more closer view of that. Again, whether you come in from the north or you come in from the south, there will be a drop-off scenario, there will be loading, there will be trash pickup, and it's all happening internally to the project. The alleyway that's currently shown between the residential and the office building is dedicated solely to the residential access. So in this particular layout, the residential tenants would be driving in behind their property, there would be accessing a covered garage space and then access the units from within. As we move up to the parking levels above, you'll see here that in kind of a darker shade of gray, you have the ramp that's a speed ramp that's accessing the multiple levels. Each of these levels will have single stall parking and as Alex mentioned in our waiver, we're requesting an A-na-half by 18 parking waiver reduction. And the reason we do that is it's really has to do with the constructability and the function of parking garages. So for the most parking garages, a build out of a particular construction type called post-tension construction and the slabs have a particular span with and that span falls primarily between 27 feet and 18 feet which then permits for three and a half parking spaces versus nine parking spaces. Nine foot parking spaces would technically exceed that structural span. Again, each and highlighted in pink, you will see that every floor has vertical circulation stairs and elevator core in the center. And this, their elevator core takes you down to the lobby or takes you up directly to the medical office floors, typical medical office floors. You will notice that there are tandem spaces, and if you don't know what tandem spaces are, there are spaces that are parked back to back. And those are really reserved for Valle, most medical office buildings have a Valle program to provide convenience to the patients, particularly elderly patients. So these spaces are in excess of what we usually have in parking requirements. And again, they're usually, they're used specifically for, for valet services. So we try to use as much of the four plates as possible where there is excess four plate in this particular case. You'll see it's where the ramp resides. So right in the right south of the ramp, you'll see that there are about 10 or 12 excess tandem parking spaces. And then we have our four plates. So you see that the four plate encompasses the area of the ATS-D, which is on the east side and not overlapping into the transitional neighborhood portion of our project. We have a standard core in the middle with, again, vertical circulation, restrooms, and then you have a floor plate. And you know that the floor plate is not just a standard box or does it just follow the geometry or the property, but it actually underlates along 60 second Avenue, and you'll see that in the renderings and the elevations are present shortly, that it's really trying to create movement in the building and kind of adhere to the design guidelines in which we wanna break the building up, we don't wanna big box, we wanna create some interest in the facade, vertical and horizontal elements. So this was the first step just from a planning standpoint to create movements. So you'll see that there is a kind of angelating, you know, facade on the front and then the corners have been carved away to again minimize the imposing nature of a six-story building and a 60second avenue. This is kind of a holistic landscaping plan. You'll see here, based on the guidelines for TSDD, the building is to move closer to the front. And in this particular plan, this is what was originally submitted. We're gonna share with you some plans later on the presentation that were reflecting staff comments. So in essence, this building actually moves closer to 62nd Avenue. And we minimize some of the landscape strip between the sidewalk or I'm sorry, between the curb and the building. And that's really, that's the request in the TSD to do that is really to create a more larger pedestrian oriented sidewalk. And as you all know, 62nd Avenue can be, it has substantial traffic, but it also has, you know, people tend to drive fairly fast on 62nd Avenue. So creating a much broader sidewalk, really in my opinion, is a perception of safety. trees will be moved to the edge of the curb, not along the building. So again, creating some safety feelings along the curb, while the sidewalk gets much broader and more urban. The landscaping along the residential components, so you can see it's more plush, it's more natural, it fits more into your typical sophomoremeami residential neighborhood type scale and fabric. So this is a rendering looking essentially southwest of the building that was were the north-west, north-east corner of the building. And you see here that because we have the challenge of having three levels of parking to meet the operational demand, we've tried to, again, break the facade up into multiple layers, both vertical and horizontal. The ground floor, as you'll see, is facing 60 seconds and actually wrapping about 45 feet to 50 feet in depth, creates a lot of pedestrian class or pedestrian activity with commercial uses, a lot of class, floor to ceiling, a lot of visibility into the building, as well as the main entrance to the office building, which is in the center that's highlighted by those two white peers. Although level two through four are primarily parking, you'll see that we've done our best to break that facade down, so it's not just one continuous parking garage. We've highlighted certain areas, We've provided screening in some areas that are, as you can probably see in the rendering, are framed by those white elements. And then the top of the building then kind of bends down or makes its way down along the center of spine, engaging the ground floor. So in essence, it's not just multiple layers of building and use is happening, but it's really more of an integration of the form vertically as opposed to just horizontally. This is another view. This is closer to the front of the building. This is the main entrance. You'll see there, it's highlighted by the signage. And once again, you'll see that the the and the scale of the Architecture is kind of coming in wrapping around and coming down to the ground level while the louver parking areas are kind of Highlighted as an architectural element. I think in this rendering you'll see Evident that undulation of the facade that I had pointed out earlier on levels 4 and sorry 5 and 6. So as the building undulates, we actually allowed the floor slab to continue out and become a shade element. And what happens is from a ground level standpoint, you'll see that it takes on a very unique look because it really highlights that undulation in the building by creating a linear Shade element. So the building really starts to show its movement, its carving back and protruding outward on the facade. the facade. Sorry. Okay, so here's another view. So we chose this view specifically to hone in on. Because this is, you know, unfortunately when you have a six story building or any building over two or three stories, the pedestrian really doesn't engage with the building in itself. That's more something that is experienced from a distance as you're driving to three, maybe four or five blocks. So really it's how we want to treat the ground floor of this building. And that's really the, I think, the essence of an environment of an urban environment. And something that I think is true to the urban environment in South Miami, although the downtown is not, you know, extremely massive like Miami or some other municipalities. It has a very strong urban fabric. And being a native of Miami, I actually enjoy coming to South Miami, bringing my family and enjoying Main Street and going to some of the restaurants and other uses along Main Street. So there's a very cohesive urban environment, urban fabric, and I think it's only necessary that we continue that and we expand on that. So you'll see here, again, the trees that are moved to the curb to create that sense of security from the cars that are having a long 60-second avenue. You see the broad sidewalk. You see the canopy overhangs over the sidewalk, the class that extends, you know, one and a half height, creating a lot of visibility, a lot of visibility into the uses as well as out, right? So in the evenings when these spaces are closed, there still feels like there's a safety in the lighting and the scale of that ground floor. We've tried to introduce some landscape elements on the corners and the ground floor again to expand and really introduce what I really believe is South Miami's true essence is beautiful greenery, all the trees and the landscaping along all the neighborhoods. And I think if you try to overlay that on the office building, you're kind of now blending. And this site really is that transition between DoloSco residential and the higher density urban. And I think by doing this, we start to blend in and kind of blur that line between them. Although we're proposing a kind of larger scale building. But again, we've introduced, based on our conversation with staff, you'll see that we're taking these corners that we carved away. We're adding outdoor seating, pedestrian scale, place making type uses that creates a sense of neighborhood. So if somebody's walking along the sidewalk from one side part of the city to the next, there is the opportunity to just take a break, have a sit down and just take a break. Or someone in the office building can go downstairs during lunch or the evening and have their lunch and read a book or something. So we're trying to create a lot of pedestrian users in the ground floor that are not just solely part of the building but more kind of public in nature. And to the right of that image, you'll see that there's the entrance. So again, entrance to the driveway is not obscured, but it's really blended into the building facade. So it doesn't look like a garage entrance. We tried our best to kind of blend it into the architecture building building a particular and the ground level. These are civil drawings that, you know, something that we can look at later. I passed it. Actually, I think I'm going to get back to the... Okay. So, what you do all the renderings now, again, these are exhibits showing the elevations in a 2D form, really don't show much, you know, the renderings definitely show more. So this updated site plan illustrates modifications that we make to the site plan based on our conversation with staff. As you can see, the yellow, which is now highlighted in yellow, is the commercial portion like we had before. And that building footprint has shifted to the east, right? So initially, if you recall, in the previous site plan I illustrated, there was a green belt around, right up against the edge, the base of the building. So that green belt has been removed and now trees have been moved to the curve, right, right behind the curve line. The building has been shifted over, but the area that was used to be green is now all sidewalks. So this again provides for more broader urban sidewalk. The other change that you'll notice here is on the west side, which is the residential component. So in conversation with staff and the operator, we looked at, well, staffs come and really had to do with the movement of the town homes. So it seemed a little static. There were a lot of them bunched up. And they wanted to see some breaks in the building. So in conversation with the operator, with the potential operator, what we decided to do was shift it to, as opposed to almost like a 12 unit row house development where everything is tied together, we're shifting it to a town homes that are created and two unit pods. So as you can see, this really, in my opinion, has more of a soft Miami feel than the other ones did. I think you'll see that the lots of deeper, we removed the alley, we created parking along the front edge of the building, which again mimics all the residential that's in the area. This gives each tenet the opportunity to put in to provide a small pool if they wish a patio space, a secured backyard for children or just for gatherings. And really kind of changes the scale. There's a nice break between each of the units. The buildings have more movement, more circulation. And I think again, going back to the context and the fabric of all the properties to the west. I think this really has a much softer feel and more connectivity with that residential neighborhood. And then we get to the elevations again you'll see here that we started to play around with some of the elements. So as if you recall on the original on the previous renderings the upper levels were just all pure glass facade. We've introduced some vertical elements to break up that glass, and that element kind of comes down into that center space that leads down to the ground floor. Like I mentioned before, you'll see that here, it's a little dark, but you'll see that those vertical elements come down into that center space between the two white frames, and then comes down to the ground floor. So we're just, we've just been articulating the building facade a little bit more as we go along. This is the same view essentially that I mentioned. And again, these are the drainage and civil drawings that will be part of the submittal. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you for Sarah. You're the presentation. Yes, this concludes the presentation. We're here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Let's start with public comment. Is anybody chambers who would like to speak? It's not, let's go with the board members. So, Brado, would you like to start? Well, you know, now the last part of the presentation really confused the hell out of me because I was going through all these alleys and beautiful separation and and all of a sudden I see that there's no alley. The town has flipped over the parking is in the front now on the street side, which is fine. You know, I just you know Concept, conceptually, I don't have any problem with the with the whole project. I just think we need to be presented exactly what the plan is. You know, we have a presentation. 90% of the presentation was based on something that is not God would have been what's being proposed now. So I just have a problem with that. I just cannot understand what's going on. With the elimination of the alley makes a big difference in the way I look at the project. So I just don't think I can support the project the way it is. Again, again, I would say that I don't have a problem with the project itself, but the way it's presented is totally I think is misleading. And I don't appreciate that. Thank you Mr. Spada, question would you like to go ahead? Yeah. So really I had questions and comments regarding the townhouse product, but it was relating to the alleyway and kind of the garage setting in the head. Some questions about that, but all of that is changed now. So those kind of questions, they go away. It was really regarding the parking. So the parking moving to the residential side, I thought was is better than what the alley was. And so I'm agreement with Subaru too as far as you know that we were, I was reviewing something that you know we don't have in front of us aside from the commercial space. And then as far as for the commercial, my question for the greenery, is there a, what's the plan to kind of maintain all of the trees and everything that they're implementing on the landscape plan? the question with respect to how they plan to maintain the landscape does being proposed. That's correct. This will be managed by professional management and landscaping. It'll be undertaken by monthly. So there will be a concerted effort to maintain, especially the green walls that have been shown and the onsite greenery. That's definitely an element that's not just architectural and design related, but something that also enhances that pedestrian experience. So there will be a concerted effort as far as maintenance goes here. This operator is also an operator that owns numerous other medical office buildings throughout South Florida and throughout Florida in general. So they do have tremendous experience in managing the asset as well as these design elements related to the asset. So yeah, I'm actually very familiar with the project that they did off of Kendall in 94th, or 87th and 94th Street. And I saw that the greenery there is very lush and it provides a very good transition into the neighborhood right behind it. So my question was just with the hope that, they maintain the same integrity and that it fulfills the same purpose. Certainly, that's definitely the intent and hopefully even better the condition on this site. Overall, I just thought the concept was very well thought out. I like the design features. Again, even though it's kind of like a square box, there's a lot of elements that kind of differentiate from that. So as a concept overall, things very nice. And then again, I'll just go back and say that, you know, as far as the townhouse product, I did have some questions on that, but with the change of the layout, those questions are obsolete at this point. So that's all I have. I mean, you do have the architect here in case you do wanna have those questions related to the townhomes, while it's shown on a site plan configuration, he can certainly address any specific questions you may have related to that. So really well questions I had were really what had to do with the garage I was kind of and the alleyway and kind of like the the clearance for the for the residents to be pulling into the garage and kind of asking you know what the garage was, but again, all of that goes away because you moved it now to the residential side. So all of it really opens up. There's not, I don't really see any of those issues as opposed to the alleyway. I guess for the interior unit and again, for the interior units, you know, it being 12 units all attached together. I was just curious about how we were going to, how they were going to try to bring some more natural light and see what heights of the sliding glass doors and stuff were. Because I've seen this, I've seen those interior products just become a negative. There's not a lot of natural light. So again, it changes with the, with the new design. It's not all, it's not all bunched up. So there's aed up, so there's a lot more corners, a lot more opportunities for windows. So that's where my questions work. Right. And just to clarify, based on a prior statement that was made, the intent was not to be misleading, but actually to show the progress of the site plan as it goes from the original submittal to the comments that we received from staff and May to try to integrate a lot of the comments that we received from them. So a lot of those comments related to pushing the building forward and breaking up the town homes, you know, to show a new format that's not as repetitive or linear. So, you know, again, our intent was not to be misleading, but rather to actually show the progression and the incorporation of what staff wanted to see based on the latest comments. And that's what's been shown on the latest renderings. Yeah, and I'm in agreement with the change. I mean, like I said, most of my comments were going to be regarding to that alleyway. So that's pretty much it for now. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I don't know where to begin because I have so many questions also. I have so many levels that I, so let me just say this, from the point of view, the architecture, evil, I love the architecture. I have absolutely no problem with the design that you've come up with from that aspect. But, and that's the only thing I wanted to discuss from that aspect of it because now comes the next question is 60 second-avio and F dot road Or is it just a county road Anybody know is a cruel the mark out where it's a county road is a county road. Okay, so that takes one issue out of the equation So what is the width of the sidewalk from curb to front of building? The architect is going to answer a you. They've made some changes. And the reason I'm asking all these questions that's coming and more questions that's coming up is that you have thrown a loop at us based on what Subrata just said and Christian said, we had an alleyway on focusing on some of the drawings that have had him before me and all of a sudden that changed and we are not prepared to really look at this thing logically using common sense because sometimes I get reprimanded here for using common sense because I go against the code and if I saw something here that made sense to me, okay, then I would say just let's move forward with it, but you have thrown something out at us that I really need to look very carefully. So again, the question to begin with is what is the width of that sidewalk from base of curve to the building? So good question. So it's hard to see in the plan. So we have a 10 foot sidewalk currently on the property and the code requires our building to have a baseline of five feet from the property line. So in essence, that five foot dedication will not make that sidewalk 15 feet wide. So we had initially in the previous plan that we said that we had to move the building forward. We actually had eight feet plus the 10. We had 18. So we weren't locating. We thought we were doing something that would improve, but in a reality, we were not meeting the code. The code requires the building to be at the base building line, which is five feet away. And that five feet now becomes a dedication to the city. And it's a 15 foot clear sidewalk plus curb and gutter. And as plus curb and gutter. Plus curb and gutter. And then we were also asked then to praise the trees almost like it is existing on the back of curb, right? So that that tree great then creates that barrier from the vehicles. Okay. Let me, let me begin with that from for a moment, Evil. Um, because I was hoping that we would have a 20 foot sidewalk, not a 15 foot wide sidewalk. Now you're giving us that we're covering gutter. That's basically 17 feet if you look at it from that perspective. Okay. The reason I'm saying all this right now is that if you were to go to 72nd Avenue south of sunset drive by going to dayland they build this beautiful high eight stories of high-story apartment building and they actually planted tree in a what it seems to be like a 12-foot wide sidewalk or it seems like maybe it might be even 15 foot sidewalk. What has happened is those trees grew. They started growing into the facade of the building. What did they do? They came back where all the facet of the building is located and they're wet. They're living crap of all the branches. So now you have it left side of trees on the street side, but everything against the building has been wiped away. That tells me two things. In proper selection of plant materials, and the fact that we did not have the sufficient space to allow for that vegetation to grow, you would think that we would have learned from all of this. I'm working in Windwood. We have guidelines too. We're going at two, 14, 15 story high rice buildings, downtown Miami as well. And you know, with 21 and so forth, I was hoping that somehow we would engage that pedestrian zone. You want to engage the pedestrian zone because I thought about even creating entrances off the corners of the street because that's engaging also as well. So when you tell me you're going to put a tree in back of curb which is the wrong thing that they do with the city of Miami, Miami 21. They talk about if you talk to an artist, they will tell you all the kinds of problems that you're going to have because that tree is going to grow, that tree is going to get white after it requires that you are four feet away from back of curb to face of a tree so that you are allowed for that tree to expand. So now you're telling me you're going to put it back off curb. That doesn't drive, that doesn't work. I'm giving you all this information because I think that TSD, what has been presented, I think it's fantastic. I just think that it needs to be looked at more, tweaked more. And if we want to look at the pedestrian zone, why can we come back with some sort of a pattern to use on the sidewalk? Why can we add something interesting for seating, for trashes, for lighting, all of that not becomes even more part of the entire pedestrian zone? So either you say something that you are 100% correct Nobody Nobody's gonna be able to see when you're walking in that area, that building, because it's six stories high. The importance, that engagement of that pedestrian zone on the ground floor and the detailing and what happens within that zone. That to me is really looking at it. Since you're the first. I was also looking to say, hey, maybe we can be able to establish some sort of a pattern on the ground that when the next building comes next to it or across the street or whatever it begins to pick up on that. It'll take some years, but at least you begin to move forward with that. So that's one issue. Then I love the idea of the alleyway, like fantastic, because now everything in terms of parking, whatever is hidden, is in the back, they parked in the back, not a problem. And I only suggest you know the townhouse was going to be, can we add some privacy walls, at least you have, you created a space for each townhouse from that aspect. And that way they created some privacy, some protection, if you will, because I also like what the gentleman first, if you're giving for the gentleman that first made the presentation and talked to us, forgot your name, sir, and my apologies, but he says something was true. A hedging and all that, that's changed. Let's create something a little bit different. So I was looking for that. And so when I was looking at the landscape from that aspect and I see that and I say, wait a minute, the landscape doesn't correlate with anything here that makes any sense is so conceptual, which also brings back to now to this point. This is conceptual. I always look at also this board as providing information based on construction, based on what is going to finally go for permanent. So, I got to put a different hat,'re looking now conceptually. So there's a lot of things here that we need to discuss, evil. You know, I love your work. Thank you. And so the issue is now to sit down and really look at this from a practicality point of view. Should that tree really be in back of grip that won't work. And if F dot tells us we've got to be four feet behind that, you ought to take a look at what you're going to not upon tree is not the solution either. The whole purpose is to create a shade canopy within within the community so that people can walk on the knees and have some kind of shade. So there's so many things we can discuss here that I could be here for a long time. So I'm going to stop at that and I cannot approve a move forward with something like this. rather than you defer it, you look at it more carefully. You really get into the details of that ground floor. And really look at the, I mean, just as an example on the side, putting Gumball Limbo trees in an eight foot space against the building, and then moving a tree that was existing, that was supposed to be moved off to a corner when there's no visibility triangle. There's certain thing that public works is gonna ask you where are the underground lines? How is that all gonna affect the conditions of the location of all these trees? How you gonna take care of that? There's so many things to discuss. And maybe it's because after 50 years of doing this, I see a lot more than maybe other people don't. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. But let me stop there. But as far as the building is concerned, evil, I love the designer you're building. I really did. Thank you. Thank you, Mariano. Thank you, Mariano. Okay, that's my turn. So, this is really difficult because, you know, I agree with Mariano and the rest of the stuff Mr. Fernandez, your building is a very attractive building within its own. In other words, if you were to to exist in a bubble. It's a great look and building for a very attractive building within its own. In other words, if it were to exist in a bubble, it's a great looking building for a very urban context. But I really think that it's completely out of place in terms of its location. I'll give you a couple of very strong arguments. Number one, 60 second avenue, it's a two-way street with one lane going up and one lane going down. So, I didn't see a trucking study. I don't know if you guys have one, but I think from the looks of it that you have over a 150 parking spots there at the very least. I don't know how many But you'll be interested to know how many and you can tell me you know when I finish with with my arguments But you're bringing a ton a ton of traffic to a very small street-second avenue is not a big street. It's a very small street. It's a one-way lane going down. Which makes me think that it's going to be very difficult for somebody coming out of that neighborhood to get on to the traffic of 60-second, especially because there's a stop sign. It's not a traffic life. And then the building is a six-story building, which I would imagine is about close to 75 feet. Maybe a little bit less, but 75 feet, as you very well know, is a high-rise building. So you're sitting arguably a very small high-rise building next to an RS3 zone in which are single-family residents of 10,000 square foot lots. The townhomes completely are dwarfed, disappear next to your building. I did not see one section study in your presentation or a shadow casting study, but if you were to cut a section from west to east looking north or looking south, we could understand the magnitude of the height of your building next to the townhomes. Whether you have an alleyway or not, your townhomes are dwarfed by the size of a building. They will never see a morning light. Maybe at 11 in the morning they start seeing something on the next avenue. And so, you know, no matter what you do to the sidewalk whether you make it 20 feet or 18 or, you know, you really finance your facade which is a great can building again. I don't know how you will resolve that. The traffic that is going to be brought to the already congested 60 second avenue, which I know very well, is going to be very damaging to our neighborhood. I don't think that the building itself acts as a buffer or as a transition, you know, into the west of that side. I could understand how you are comparing it to across the street and all the medical buildings south of there, but you are literally taking, if you look at the zoning maps, half of that property before the TSD was R3. So, you know, putting two story or three story townhome next to a six-story building. It doesn't really do justice, especially because there are four levels of parking garage if you count the first level. So four levels of parking garage to serve office buildings on two levels above. The neighborhood is going to be looking at a parking garage. In other municipalities, when you have a parking garage within that context, you are required to have buffer or liner units to enclose a parking garage. So you can design very attractive louvers or some type of natural ventilation to mitigate the impact of it. But at the end of the day, it's a four-story parking garage next to an RS3. If you look at it from the west. And so, you can give you tons of examples of great buffer transition zones. If you go south on 57 Avenue and you go past sunset, couple of blocks down, you start seeing medical office buildings that resemble very much a single family or two family, you know, building. And then you have the single families right behind them. We have two story residential buildings and then you transition into the residential. But in this case, you guys are bringing, like I said, at almost the size of a high-rise building. If you put up on the screen the corner rendering, you can see the magnitude of it next to the neighborhood that I think is going to impact dramatically, dramatically in so many levels. Like Mariana said, I could go on, but I think you understand what we're trying to say here. Then also the change in design, I don't think we have the entire story. If you remove the alley, which, in my opinion, the size of the building is the big thing here, whether you put an alleyway or not, it's a six-story building with four levels of grass. So it doesn't really matter, but if you were to see the section through it, I think everybody could see or get a better picture of the magnitude of what's going on here. Got a question. Evil, if I may, I can't see you so forgive you. Is there a possibility that you can provide a liner and a garage and set the building back? I mean, I also have to be conscious and aware of the cost and so forth. But you are the very first project for this zone and what I would love it to be successful and that's something that can be picked up from that and carry through so is there any possibility that The owners will be will look at a couple of different alternatives from the suggestion our architects have provided Suggestions that the other board members have provided is the possibility Because I want to move forward with this. Because this is something important for the city. And I wanted to start establishing something to that effect. So, so let me address that. So I think I think part of the issue here. And I've been doing this for quite a long time. And I've done work in every municipality from here to Orlando. And unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. So, so let me address that. So I think I think part of the issue here, and I've been doing this for quite a long time, and I've done work in every municipality from here to Orlando. And unfortunately. I think part of the issue here, and I've been doing this for quite a long time, and I've done work in every municipality from here to Orlando. And unfortunately, sometimes there's a little bit of a disconnect between what is allowed by code and what potentially a board member or board members or staffs may feel is not should not be there, right? So unfortunately, there is a TSDD zoning, and I was assuming this has been vetted tremendously through your boards, through city, to commission meetings, and all these things were approved and were given the thumbs up. So I can understand how some of these buildings, maybe no different than Mami 21, right? Mami 21 was designed in a particular way. And then years later, through developing different projects, you realize, oh, well, I really didn't meet the intent and the spirit of what we thought, and little by little, those codes get modified, but they get modified over time, right? And you don't really see what happens in the code until you develop a project under that code. So I think part of that here is that this code was approved was implemented, allows for six stories, allows for this density, it has a transition to a lower scale residential product, and property values are based on those zoning codes, right? So to, like for example, to say that I can bring this from a six story building to a two story building to be more, you know, to be more appealing to the, to the residents or to the street, it is kind of, you know, it can't happen, right? I mean, that's not the way these codes work. Properties purchase under, based on certain densities, they're in heights, certain intensities, and that's what the market drives. So, and that's what developers develop too. So, I think given the code and Mariano to your point, right, should there be a 20 foot sidewalk? I think from a and you and I both have worked on multiple projects were yes. I think from a standpoint of pedestrian activity, place making, urbanism, yes. But the code reads that it's a base building line sits on five foot from the property line. So therefore, we get a 15 foot setback and the tree is required to be behind the curb. And therefore we have to wear the kid up with that idea. You know what I mean? The other way to code. First time we ever see this. I'm the guinea pig. No, I wasn't even aware that the DSD came out online. I wish that we were told that so that we would have been able to read an MBA. So as 100% so as you know, you got a code. My job is to react and to implement a code. It's not it's not subjective. I can't make it up. I can modify it. I have a follow the code. So what is presented in front of you is a project that is based on the code. Now with regards to the question of liners, sure, I have done many buildings with liners. Liner's really have to do with the geometry and the depth of a site, right? So, if you look at this property, there is a two bay parking garage, right? So, in order for me to put a liner, I will lose an entire bay. So what does that mean? I am now providing multiple levels of smaller footprint uses and I'm gonna have a Seven-story parking garage or six-story parking garage, right? Because it's a box if I squeeze out of one end I'm gonna pop out of the other right? So you want a six-story parking garage with liners or do you want a three-story parking garage Which I would which I really believe based on my experience is very well-screened integrated into the overall design of the building and disappears from the context of the building. Well you answer the question you answer the question evil because that's why I asked you it's impossible does it work? Yeah why I ask you yeah and you just it, it's nothing to me. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. I agree with you. 100%. So the only thing is that from even so you understand, when you threw the other townhouse design, that's what threw me off our looser. I can't see it. Okay. I can't perceive it neither can the other board members. Can is there a possibility that you can provide that for? Listen, I'm one of your proponents. I mean, I want this to be successful. Okay? And you're absolutely right on the on the code. I wish we were part of that process so we can be able to say say to be 15 foot sidewalk, let it be 20 feet, allow the pedestrian zone to be engaged. So I Just wanted to ask that question and I think the city is gonna have to really look at this this code and tweak it somewhere But thank you so much to you like I said, I love you Thank you I believe we can make a motion So we're not gonna have a question. Oh, why? Thank you. You're going to have to unmute yourself, please. Yeah. With difficulty at a project, which are construction ready projects. Now we're unhe hearing that this is a preliminary conceptual level review. So I'm not sure exactly what we are. Are we, are we now doing conceptual level reviews or are we doing construction ready review? So that's one thing that's thrown me off. So, totally. If I may, as you all may, or at least some of the longer serving board members may recall, there was concern about these projects coming to you at the very last step and making it difficult for you all to have your input considered. you know, once everything, all of the MEPs and all of the engineering was already done, in turn, you know, seeing it at that stage was not giving you a very meaningful opportunity to present and to suggest the changes and make recommendations that are going to heated. The way that this was changed some time ago was to bring you guys in at the very beginning at the conceptual stage so that your comments can be looked at and can be worked on by the applicant and can be considered by the subsequent review boards as the code deems. So you guys are looking at this more towards the beginning than towards the end. OK, but we will not get a chance to look at it at any future time. Is that correct? There is a, if I may, there is a late stage review that this board is supposed to do a late stage site coordination review during the building permit process where plans will come to you to ensure that what they told you about the right of way or what your recommendations were as to how the building and the site relates relates to the of way, is still retained in spirit. Because there will be a lot of site coordination when they bring in utilities and the landscaping may be affected in all of those issues. That's what would come back before you. So it will come before final approval, it will come before at some point. Before building permit, it will come back to you. Yeah. OK. So that makes a lot of sense to me, but for the rest of the day. So given that, so let me just, because I was reacting totally based on a different conception. So I like to throw some of my initial comments on a conceptual plan. First of all, this is a first of the, I mean, I totally understand the code, Mr. Chairman, I understand your frustration, but the code is approved. City has accepted the massing, the height and the density and all that, which which is, you know, which is, which is already in the books. So there's no, there's no ifs and buts about that. So this being the first, really the project in these kind of transitional zone and the commercial zone and I would have loved to see some kind of massing analysis study cross section. I'm not knowing and not telling you that you're going to be able to reduce it, but at least visually look at it and see what. So from that point of view, the alley provides a tremendous help in terms of the massing and the spacing and the very, the, the, the detachment of the massing and all that stuff. that stop becomes an important element in the massing. And the old traditional neighborhood plants and all that, Ali is always a very important part of the design. So the massing study I would have loved to have seen the massing study. The Ali becomes a part of the circulation. The whole circulation pattern in that little block is going to change. And I don't see any circulation element in this whole presentation as to how we're going to try to handle the transportation or the circulation. So the circulation pattern, the alley becomes a big component to that. The third thing that I wanna talk about is the landscape. Yes, I hate those five feet, a little sod, which becomes a dustbin in the urban areas because no one maintains them and it becomes dry. But there is such thing as urban landscaping, which is a totally different than suburbant 5 foot hedge. So there's a totally different understanding of urban landscaping than suburbant landscaping And I didn't really quite, urban landscaping is not just planting few trees along the curve. That's not just, there's a lot more to urban landscaping than that. So I think I would have loved to have seen a little bit more depth in urban landscaping, which could include treatment of the sidewalks and patterns and vertical landscaping and all kinds of other things. So the parking spaces, that's always has been issues. That's a 40 you know, eight and a half feet. The parking, the cars don't change from suburban to urban areas. The cars are cars, you know, we have, we have bigger cars every day and we're, we're trying to make the parking spaces smaller and smaller. They go to metro real stations. Those are eight and a half feet. It just doesn't work. I mean, you know, saw those spaces, you know, 8.5 feet, it's just not a viable parking space standard these days with SUVs, you know, 90% of the cars are SUVs at trucks. So, so I think that that's just a, you you know, numbers came that we play, but I would like to take a look at that and make sure that that makes sense. Even if you have to reduce some of the numbers, I mean by showing a smaller parking space and having a larger number of spaces to me, it doesn't the problem. So those are some of the and the flow rate, the waiver, I mean I didn't quite understand the waiver, but it is what it is, I'm not going to go in. That's beyond our, I think, review responsibilities. And so those are the things that I would like to see the architect pay a little more attention to. And I have to agree with everyone else. The design, the architect has done a wonderful job in articulating and breaking the massing and, you know, the front at least. So with those, I just want to put those comments on the record or future consideration. Don't forget about drainage. That's very important too. So, what you were saying that I was thinking about the vial soil, we can do the pedestrians on the route. It's not going to be a problem. I'm not going to go into every detail. I understand. But you brought a very good point. So, all right, we can move forward. So, yeah, just one more comment. I mean, I mean, just foris, we're very well aware that the code is the code. I've seen you present in other places. I know your work very well. And we also understand that those are the rules. But what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. Two different things. Code and the code could be wrong. The code could be right. And I know you're working on their doors circumstances. At the very least, we would like to see, again, shadow studies, traffic studies. Let's not ignore that. Like I said, that's a one-way street. You know, what's going to end up happening is people are going to be parked in front of that building as they do in the building right south of it. And it blocks the entire street. People will double park. And they'll get out the car and that's beyond you. That's not in your control. But you will be bringing, and to subrata's point, you are asking for a waiver based on a structural condition, which is the span of the columns. This is not a 50 or 40 story building. So there are other types of construction that doesn't have to be post-pension. So by doing that is where you're increasing the amount of parking and you're increasing the amount of traffic and so on and on and on. And so, you know, maybe the code wasn't well put off, but you will have a very negative impact on the traffic on that area. Okay, we'll make a motion, is there a motion by a board member? Before I do that, I gotta ask this because this is important. We have a code, brand new code. They're presenting to us a conceptual design basically so they can forward with that design. My question is, if we defer it, that I don't like to deny anything, I just like to defer it, okay? Or if we approve it with conditions that we have made here, can we have them come back to us again before they move forward to the planning department to the planning board? Is that a possibility, Alex? Actually Alex, let me let me jump in here for a second if you don't mind. Take it away Tony. Thank you. So the board has the the requirement in the code is that the board has 60 days to deal with this. Okay? Once you see it, you, one of the options is that you can defer it to see and make recommendations based on, you know, what you want to see. There's no, there's no, nothing forces them to do it to make those changes, but they can. Okay? Once it comes back to you, you will have to move it along, one recommendation or another. That's option number one. Option number two, you make a recommendation, and you lay out all your conditions, which, Lord has been taking feverishly taking notes as to what those statements would be, and we would include that in any recommendation, whether it is a positive recommendation or a negative recommendation, we would include all of your bullet points, including Mr. Ryan has concerns about the code not as conditions for this but to transmit the feelings of this board to the commission. So in case there is an appetite for changes in the future, those are the kinds of things that would be considered. But we would transmit all of that information to the commission. We appreciate that. It's very important. Thank you very much. I'm gonna make a motion for deferment. Based on the fact that there's too many issues that needs to still be addressed, especially when they made the changes to the townhouse concept for us to really look at. You got to understand you have to be fair with us as well as board members to be able to give some time to look over the presentation. So I would like to make a motion with the firm and based also on the comments that this board has provided to the applicant. If I may just say very quickly before you you vote on this, we would respectfully request that you provide recommendations for us. I think, you know, Srebraata, Mario Javier have provided significant suggestions to incorporate into our plans. Again, I think that the wrinkle here is that traditionally you're used to seeing plans that are almost that construction ready levels because of the TSDD. You are now seeing this at its very inception, almost the conceptual level of the program. So we are, we've submitted back in March, and to that point, Mr. Baiana, a traffic study was submitted back in March, that's part of the special exemption process is to submit that being analyzed by the city. And based on our findings, there is not a significant traffic impact based on this but we would recommend in order to keep going through the process is really for these board members to provide the recommendations as they have if you have any more certainly we would take those into account in order for us with whatever the vote is today to continue to formulate this plan as we go through the motions. So the question will be sir would you come back to us before moving on to the planning base on their recommendation? Can you come back to us? Whether it's in two weeks or so so that we can look at this very carefully. I believe that in order to move this along in a timely fashion, we need to continue to progress and formulate the plan in two weeks. I don't believe that those, many of the things that have been mentioned here cannot be incorporated. You know, there's no reduction in height to the building that can be contemplated. We are going to pursue it based on the TSDD. We have provided a traffic study. So there's certain elements that have been related to the impact of the project. We've done significant studies. It's been at the city. It's under review. So what we can incorporate, we will incorporate, but we would seek recommendation, suggestions, and a vote on this. Yes, I see the point that you're coming from. So, have you, I'm going to make a motion to remove my motion for deferment and we need a vote on that. Because I said, I'm not seconded anyway, so dying. So, okay. So, I'm going to rephrase the Denning that case because I see what this is heading. I'm going to make a motion for approval based on the comments that we all have made and trust that the comments that we have made will move forward at the developer and the architect will take it to a serious consideration and that it will come back to us on point in time that we can provide additional comments. We're second. Second. Okay. This vote. Are we? Can I hear you? Mariano. Yes. Just vote. Okay. So, Rada? No, I vote no. Christian? Yes. And I vote no. So, thank you for your presentation. The two two so there's no, so they're going to move forward. Yeah, no recommendation with no recommendation. Correct. All the will, although we will transmit. It doesn't make any comments. It is more. Isn't making a difference. What what happens here? Sorry, it moves on. So I've done way. I'll try it. It's attacking. All right, thank you very much for your presentation. Thank you all. Appreciate your comments. Thank you. Okay. Can we move forward, nudist with a presentation number two? Yes, let's just give them a few seconds whether you clear clear out of the room, I don't know if you just one second. Mr. Angles, you're the second applicant. If you don't mind sharing your screen with your side plan or your elevations just so they don't get tired of my voice as I present your project. Appreciate it. Let me know if you need help. Cyplan, your elevations. And listen up, forget your material concept palette. Let me know if you need any help. I just like to remind the board also that Roman numeral five on the number Roman numeral four on the agenda is for the election of chair and vice chair where we are overdue. I just don't want to forget. I know it's been a lengthy meeting, but I'm not sure if you wanted to do that. Okay. So the second item for review this morning is DRB 2025-017, applicant, Angles, property owner 5885, Southwest 80th Street, LLC, location 8585, Southwest 80th Street, request his new construction to story. Mr Angles, let us know if you need help with sharing your screen, okay? I'm working on it. Please give me two seconds. Okay. This is a corner lot within the RS3 zoning. As required in the LDC, the LDC is a corner lot within the RS3 zoning. As required in the LDC, we have plans prepared by a Florida registered architect, and we also have the two story design structure requires the landscape plans be designed by the Florida Register Landscape Architect. The survey indicates a corner lot is located on the northeast side of 59th Avenue and Southwest 80th Street. The lot frontage is 100 feet, which meets the 75 minimum within the RS3. We have a current and lot size of 12,800. The allowables are 30 for the building. The proposed is, first I like to say that the applicant took the numbers out of the 13,000 square feet, which is, you know, you have to round up, but you need to take those allowables actually from the actual lot size. So, there is a condition on that report. I'm just going to rate to you the proposed building coverage. It's right at 30 with a 38-40. That's allowed in the 38-29 that's proposed. So they meet building coverage. As far as the FAR, the total 58-49 square feet does exceed the 57-60. It is actually not 58 that's allowed again. That's because it was taken off the numbers. However, I want to point out that the architect, he will revise is noted in the staff's report. The correct allowable score footage will have a maximum of 3840 for the building. FAR 5760, and impervious 6,080. Again, that's off the actual 12,800 square feet. In order to comply with the FAR, which I just stated, they're over the reduction, actually the plans will be revised to reduce the roof located over the first full randa in order to comply with the FAR and have it meet at 5,760. Also the building height, it's noted correctly on the zoning table because it does say 25, but actually the roof pitch will need to be revised. The slope will change so that it's not over. The dimension is actually taken from finish floor on the elevations when the requirements are that building high on residential is taken from grade to the average. So the roof slope will change. Furthermore, we have the elevations. There's a material booklet which includes the materials and the paint colors on this proposed or story home. So we have I'm sure the board members and I hope that you've seen the the elevations up on your screen since I don't see any from my end but the landscape I I've been prepared by Alejandra Cantania, Registered Landscape Architect with Studio Cuesta. And we have a tree removal that will be consistent with the tree disposition plan that the notes two oak trees, number two and number three to be relocated. And one figularular fee, tree to be removed. These two are conditions also in staff's report. Additional, the proposed to the story must comply with the Florida Building Code. And the applicant is requesting approval for a two-story building design and landscape with the following conditions. Staff's recommendations for approval with the following conditions. Revived the zoning information table, sheet A-1.0 to note the correct the lawful score footages for maximum building, 3,840, maximum FAR 5,760, and impervious 6,080 score feed. And again, that is based off the 12,800 square foot lot. And that based on the 13,000, which is the row that these percentages are taken from in our code and table two. The proposed first floor and second floor building covers total 5849, which does not exceed the maximum allowable FAR 0.475 or 5,760. I explain how that will meet code, which is by reducing the roof over the first brand. Revises owning table sheet A dash 1.0 to note proposed building height, consistent with theations and not exceed the 25 feet. So the roof pitch as a solution so that we take it from the from grade to the sloped and we do not exceed the maximum building height of 25 feet allowed. Submit a true removal permit application with a planning and zoning department for the relocation of the two oak trees, tree number two and number three and the figalers tree. And of course any comments and suggestions from the board this morning. Welcome Mr. Angles, it's label Claudia but but I know that you're presenting the project this morning. Were you unsuccessful? Do you need help? I cannot get my screen shared. It keeps on coming up with a giant exclamation point. Okay. Mark is working on it. I can tell. So let's see what we can share. I can share and then I can scroll down. Okay. We want to do that. Mark is you want Mariano to take. Take over. Yes, please Mariano. Okay, I'll stand by If it possible can you see it? Double click. There's that front elevation You got it. That's perfect Mariano. Thank you. Mr. Coral. You tell me what to, you know, scroll down so that you're explaining. So what we're presenting is is a house on 5885 south west A. Street as Lord has mentioned. It's on a corner which is a very visible corner. So when we developed a plan, it was important. the state of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city the visibility. So as you scroll through the plans, I feel that you'll see that the house really comprises almost three front elevations, the one facing 58th or 59th actually, the one facing 80th, which would be the south elevation. And then of course, naturally the rear elevation by the nature of the architecture replicates what you see in the front. So right now the upper elevation is what you would see from 59th Avenue. That is considered the front elevation. The East elevation below it would be facing the rear neighbor. And then if you scroll to the next sheet, a 3.2, the south elevation is what you'll experience from Adian. And then the north elevation will also be facing the neighbor to the north. The style of architecture that we that we went after was what we would consider Angle of Caribbean. It's traditional in nature in terms of both some symmetry and proportion. But we also feel that it's timeless and in an effort to maintain what we also feel is some Florida, some old Florida heritage with a hip roof and all natural materials. Specifically, all the planting are the majority of all the planting proposes Florida natives as well as the as well of materials such as U-Lite, which is a native material Florida Keystone, also native material, our items that we'd like to implement in the project because we just feel like South, it's South Miami so rooted in our opinion and in South Florida's history that we like to continue using all Florida native materials and more Anglo-Caribbean style architecture. For me, I've been trying to scroll to keep up with you. So I'll just use the site plan and for the board members to make in comments and they'll tell me what to scroll and so forth. Is that in conclued your presentation? Yes sir. Thank you. There's a material. Excuse me, through the chair. There's a material color palette. There's a whole booklet. You might want to scroll to that as well. Just so we get a quick glance. So what you're referring to? Yes, I'm not sure if that's the first page, but yes. There's like five pages. The rest of the plumber materials I believe, that's the only page I see here. I didn't materials. It should be a separate. There's more. If you go back to the agenda. It's a separate. Yeah, it's a. Oh, I can't. Okay. Hang on one second. Yeah. Hang on one second. Color there. Thank you. So yeah, the body, the body color and the overhand color would be. It's fair on balls, the manufacturer for all the presented or proposed colors. All white would be the body of the building. The French doors and windows would be conforth white. If you continue to scroll down the shutters would be a selvage would be the the garage door and shutters. All the timber materials would be a natural silvered cypress is a material that we're proposing. And then the roof tile would be the barral madera which looks like a wood shake. And then if you continue to scroll down, you see inspiration images of what really drove the vernacular of the architecture, which which is again, falls into what we would consider Anglo-Caribbean style architecture. Thank you. OK, let's start with public comment. Is there anybody in chambers who would like to speak? There's no money in Chambers but staff. Thank you. So with the board members, to start with Christian. Now in regards to, I'm sorry, can you rephrase it? What was the architectural style that you said again? Anglo-Caribbean. And that yeah, the picture of the inspiration images are really mostly to represent or bring or drive home the color palette as well as the overall feel of the residents. Yeah, so on a personal moment, we all know that ADS street has been flush with new construction across the board. I mean, you've laid out some other examples as well, which is always good for a conceptual point. I think this architectural style is actually kind of like a good change from everything else that's been presently built there. The we feel same the shutter coloring and everything even though it's it's very unique and stands out I don't think it brings out you know any sort of negative appeal the you know I like that I like that they decided to go with you know kind of the garage and the driveway different locations, one off of 80th and off of 59th Avenue. I don't really have any negatives about the project. Overall, I think the concept, and again, the architecture, I think, provides no negative to the area. the best thing that that I was looking at I guess the best way I was looking at this aside from the the multitude of elevations and the theme of them. The even though we are in the concept plan this the landscape plan that we have here I mean it's pretty detailed so I'm I'm guessing guessing that the owner is on board on actually achieving all of that landscape detail. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. What we tried to do in the implementation of the design process was we really wanted to give the homeowner an experience. In other words, you just don't kind of walk through one portion of the garden and you get it all at once. It leaves room for discovery, privacy, but also giving something back to the street because we do recognize that it's such a visible corner. And for the reason that you mentioned, we really wanted to set ourselves apart in terms of just both the vernacular architecture, the quality, the planting, and really creating a hardwood hammock is a phrase that the owner uses on a regular basis when discussing the landscape plan and what we're putting forth. So the landscape was given a lot of attention, especially with its effort into both design and in terms of plant material selected. Through the chair, if I may, there is a letter of intent from the property owner dated April 3rd. That's part of staff's report. The letters attach there. Thank you. Christian you're done with your comments? So the other, you know, I see there's a good mix of between, you know, the forest and non-pores land, you know, with the stone materials and everything. with the size of the landscape, I guess the only comment would be as far as drainage. I guess this being more, I guess the only comment would be as far as drainage, I guess this being more, I guess this is continuing the path of the last review that this is more on the conceptual side, or is this going to permit as well? No, I mean we're getting ready to, so MEPs and structural, basically consultants kind of started on the project last week. So we are, yeah, we're hoping to walk away from today's hearing with approval and with, I mean, assuming there'd be conditions, but that we'd be able to proceed into basically what we will consider construction documents and for the permitting phase. Okay. Now that's pretty much all the comments I have. Thank you, Christian. So, Brata, would you like to go? Yeah, let me just, just to clarify from the staff, now is this a conceptual review or this is final review? So brought up, so this will be your one review. Okay, sorry. So the our review of conceptual level review or final review depends on the type of project. That's correct. There are certain projects where you will see them again for coordination but single-family homes are not that type of sort of like that. Commercial, security type of projects. Those have some special, those have have some special. The difference so broad also is that this is a DRB application. The project you previously reviewed came in through a special exception application, not a DRB application. Unfortunately we were not privy to those kind of detail, you know, so we don't know what we we don't know what we're looking at, what we're doing. So, okay. Okay, you know, so anyway, I don't want to prolong this meeting anymore. So this is a, as far as this project is concerned, I think this is a tremendous departure from the ice and the sugar cubes that we have on 88th Street. So I fully support, you know, I don't know the Anglo-Ravian style is, but I mean, but definitely is a departure from what we have been doing and that's a welcome as I'm concerned. And I like the treatment and the articulation and the breaking of the mass and details and all that stuff. So that's good. And the color palette is very sober and pastel. So that's good. So I like the design. And so I'm okay with it. But the landscape seems to be a little bit overdone, but that's how to leave it up in my animals. But all right, that's all I have to say. Thank you, Subrata. Oriano. Take it away. Subrata hit the you know the nail the nail right no My god, I got it. I forgot the expression hit the head Perfectly here's the guy You've got overhead power lines running our own Southwest 80th Street Yes, where you have the remaining sea grade is almost right, oh, I believe right against that powerful. One of the fallacies at times that I've constantly have said to you landscape architect, shows the power lines, shows the utility lines so that we can make some bra some problems. So knowing that we have power lines, you come back and your landscape architect for our eyes, two oak trees on the Neaters power lines. You will figure that they would have a little bit more sensitivity and say, hey, we can't do that. We've got to put a tree out there that will be approved by FPNL. In fact, I will also tell you, remove the secret. It's already into the power lines. And put the appropriate trees along this street, because the house next to this, to the east, they have placed orange placed orange tiger trees. Maybe that's something you want to continue. But at the end of the day, you've got to look at that. Number two, you guys do whatever you want. But when I see gumball limbo's and I'm going to zoom in and so forth, okay? Happens to be one of my favorite trees, by the way. When I see gumball limbo, two of them, side by side in such a tight space, then you see another gumball here. Another gumball here. Another gumball here, which the root system are going to be very strong about it. So you're going to have to tell your landscape targeted to provide some sort of a root barrier wrong in here. Here's another gumball limbo over here. The symptoms stoppers okay. Oh you got two paradise trees. They also get pretty large. They also have a system of roots not as aggressive as a gumball limbo. So you've got a lot of plant materials in this area okay. That maintenancewise is going to be a freaking nightmare. So, it's up to you. It's, I'm not going to deny it because you're putting all this landscape. I'm just making you aware of it. And it does really what you really want. So, take that into consideration. As far as code is concerned, you meet code. I would definitely change the trees on ADS-3. You cannot have votes and remove the remaining secret part of there. It's already to the power line. A storm comes along and you've got an issue. As far as the grading plan, you guys, oh, by is not right here They only showing four trees To remain this one and reality is on the right away, which is your That's a secret the secret okay, but take a look Take a look at the Oops Let me show you some interior. Take a look at the, oops, let me zoom swim, there we go. Take a look at the survey. The survey shows close to about 21, 30 trees on this site. I don't see a list from the surveyor we should have been at it. So somehow, somewhere along the line here, your landscape architects have missed all of this, which is part of your calculations. I believe everything that wasn't labeled were small caliper palms. There's been a tree relocation permit has been submitted with a full Arbor's report and and tree survey so all that information lives in there. Okay I don't see that so I'm going to make an assumption knowing my buddy Marcus that he's looking the Arbor City average. You go and take a look at this and don't make the proper call on that. Uh, the other thing is the, where is the calculations for the required trees here? Uh, you see this landscape requirement? Yes, sir. Not the proper landscape requirement. You had need to use the proper landscape requirement, which is serious, if Miami follows. Okay. And once you look at the existing trees that you say, they're only palms which, depending on the size of those palms, may have to be included in here for mitigation. So that needs to be changed as well. And then otherwise, the only other thing is of which again, is degrading. I've always said that part of the issue here, having berms, but I know where this comes from. Because you're gonna have to go before Miami-Dade County Dern and Those people that's what they want to see doesn't mean it's right But you're going to have to calculate for the 25-year-stores six-hour ratio that kind of thing because they're going to ask you for it and The other thing is This width here of the driveway Does not it's not reflected landscape plan. It's totally different. Correct. I know to that extent the landscape or put a little note basically to the effect of whatever the architect shows is what we're doing and he has to adjust to us. Okay. So those are my comments. I'm assuming that you were looking to the irrigation or the good stuff. So that's it for me. Thank you, Mariano. Am I missing anybody else? So just, just, maybe only one left. I think so. So, brother, for Pine, Christian, okay. I, I really like your house as well. The really good design, it is definitely a change of pace for a Saturday, eight years, so I appreciate it. On your couple of questions, the roof, wood shingle imitation is that a concrete tile? Yes, sir. Okay, and then do you have any louvers? I couldn't quite see on the elevations as they were. I think black and white elevations. So yeah, but these are inspirational. So in the in the proposed house, do you have any Lovers for the windows? Mr. Vina, yes, if we go back to the elevations, all the majority of all Second floor doors and windows have shutters flanking the opening. Now I'm assuming that they are imitation shutters? No, when we install shutters we normally make them movable on their hinges. It's a it's a it's a real deal. I don't I personally don't like like, shudders that don't look like they articulate. Okay, but they have movement, but are they hurricane shutters? Or are they just... Oh no, they're purely decorative. The doors and windows would be full hurricane approved product. Understood. I have just a separate note. I do have or I used to have those shorters and you know they are real shorters even though the windows are hurricane. So it's always nice to have something that it's real and it can also work. So if you already have the moment it would be interesting if they were real because you know they're not just for the look of, they actually have a purpose. There'll be interesting if you could within your budget obviously include the most part of something that is free. I'll definitely bring it up to the ownership and see if we can accommodate that request for suggestion. Yeah, again, it's just the coming. but to grey home, I didn't really quite get into the location of the septic tank if it does have or not. No, it's on city. Perfect. So that's that's how you're able to get so much landscape in it. Yes, exactly. And I also appreciate the fact that you have if I understood correctly, pedestrian path from the driveways, both from both corners to the main entrance of the house, oftentimes they are left out. And so people are forced to either walk on the grass or come into the grass. So it's actually nice. How many things else will of this? We'll make a motion. I'm over it. Second. Is anybody second? Second. Thank you. And we vote. Mariano? Yes. And we're bothered up with our comments, obviously. Thank you. So Brata. Yes. Christian. Yes. And I have what yes as well. Thank you for your presentation looking forward. Thank you very much. And thank you, Mr. Coral for your assistance. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. We're going. You too. I believe, this is where we talk about after a little minutes. No, I remember five election. I nominate Mr. Havier for the chair. I think we appreciate that. No, it you a second. I'll give you a second. I'll give you a second. Okay. We have to prove we need to vote. We'll need to vote. Okay. I vote yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you all. And I accept. And nominate the Mariano for my share. Oh God. Yes. I seconded. Well, we need to get this thing over with fast. Okay, let's go. So I bought this as well for Mariano. Yes. Yes. All right. That was quick, Alex. Oh, yeah. I think that I know another time, I think we all got to find a time where we can talk about this TSD situation because I'm really concerned. And so we're not going to do it now. It's been too long now. Trade has already been. Is it possible to allocate time to have that discussion moving forward? I think we just need to be in a united front when it comes to the things that we're not comfortable with. I know code is code, but at the end of the day, you know, it's for the benefit of everyone that we are actually sitting here, you know, donating our time for the city. So, not trying to, you know, put a stone on anybody's shoes. We really kind of like, again, commas that unite in front and kind of like understand what the benefits of the codes and zoning regulations are what are the best interests of the city. So I don't know if maybe we should just allocate time to kind of like see it and understand it and see how much, you know, as a board, we hold water or not. Oh, we need to understand it. If a more project comes this way, I need to understand what's going on. First time we are so- Absolutely. Absolutely. Right, and this was also part of a, right, this is the part of the new zoning designation that they did and has new, you know, new application types, right? This wavers, the first time we've talked about a waiver of where we can, you know, dimensionally change some aspect of the project and where you guys have your input and the limits of that input as well and where your comments are going to be most effective. I'm happy to discuss and I'll bring it up first obviously to Tony and see about maybe there's a way that we can we can get together to review the code make sure that everybody's up to speed on where it is what what are you know what are some of the changes and what is expected of this board as far as what those changes mean. Okay, I mean, we're being very interesting to like, you know, how does the code come to be, you know, this change, you know, what is the driving force for this? We wrote it. So, so, yeah, those are of course, you know, those are those are be ultimately, it's in the responsibility of the elected officials. They're the ones who present the policy, right? They instruct staff to come up with language sometimes, sometimes it's the city attorney, sometimes they will ask the planning staff, sometimes they language themselves and they and they are the ones ultimately who are responsible and they sponsor the legislation they vote on it and they and they tweak it so it is it is your the city commission that ultimately the buck stops there as they say okay I think we just have to get closer to them I guess. I'll give you a little background. It's been going on for almost two years. So I've been going on for a long time. Mark Alvarez who is the person who made the presentation first is a consultant to the city is the one who actually did the most of the work. And there was a lot of public involvement, public meetings. It been presented to planning board several times. And so it's gone through the radar. It's just that the comments related to the questions that you have have here were just not in the forefront some of these people that were in the driver's seat. So that has been the issue. I mean, it's kind of the train has already left the station. Unfortunately, it's been going on for a long time. And as you have felt and I felt that our role has continuously have been diminished, the point where we basically make recommendation and then what about happens happens? know. So, I mean those are the realities. I'm not, you know, trying to tell you anything different than what the realities are. That's right. I understand. I've been on this for a long, long time. I can see through all these things. And Mark Alvarez, he had done a lot of work, even though he started his presentation saying he's representing City of Miami, but he's representing City of South Miami. He opened his opening remark today, he's representing City of Miami if I heard it correctly. But anyway, So I just want to give you a little background on that. Thank you. Appreciate it. Again, no, I can't. But anyway, so I just want to give you a little background on that. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, no, I can't. I know exactly where we stand in terms of the time frame, but we still have to, you know, in my opinion, we always have to. up to other call is I mean that's you know someone should explain the call is so when it comes to us within that timeline it's you know you're you're you're get you you get caught with your pants down as they say now I know whether code whether code or not allowable there's certain things that are right certain things that are wrong and you know you have to speak your mind and you have to say, we will. I know that you wrote it in order as well because as an architect, you know that we're looking at this and we're not seeing a bunch of things that if they would have been looked at before the code would have moved forward, the code probably would not have allowed that property in the own as it was. shows the level of sensitivity to the project. And how to implement the code with the level of sensitivity rather than just applying the code. I got only know that all architects would love are you know would love to have a big exception. I want to make an exception here what you guys just said because in reality I felt the same way as you guys the only reason I said that I changed my boat was basically because these guys were going to say okay we don't accept it from the beginning regardless of what we were to say, they had the right to either continue or not continue or listen to us and not do it and move forward. So I was hoping that they would have to come back. Now when we was at two or two times, all of a sudden, not aware of that, they now they cannot do, they don't have any need to of their recommendations that we made. And that's what I know about it. So, but because every time I've been on this board for 14 freaking years, and I've fought, and I've fought, and I've fought. And I see where nobody listened. Everybody kept doing the same things, and then over and over again, I said, okay, it's easy to give up. It's easy to say, give up and get out. No, it's harder to stay in and fight for what you believe for. And that's why I'm still here. No, and if I may, regardless of whether you voted up or you voted down, Right? At this point, the application that came number one today was a special exception, which again is a recommendation. And whether or not you give it your recommendation or not, your comments and the things that you point out and the reason why the code has experts on this board, like Mariano Leia, Habiera and everybody who provides their input is so that staff can go ahead and work on that and implement it. Now, is it going to be 100% that the project will not move forward without addressing every single point? No, of course not. forward, you know, without addressing every single point? No. Of course not. Unfortunately, you know, we work within the confines of the color, and as long as the code is met, you guys are to add additional color and additional consideration. And that is something that you guys, I think, do very well. I think, you know, I've spoken to staff about it and you guys comments are always very well considered and seriously, you know, pushed by staff and the applicant. So you guys have a tremendous value and I totally understand your feeling of frustration. Otherwise, you know, otherwise, have you had it, you know, you'd be designing every project for everyone here at the city at a certain point. Absolutely. Absolutely. Please don't focus on the fact that you guys make this recommendation. You're input, all of you have valuable points of view. You will all make very good points. And I know from representing on the private side, I do a lot of work at the city of Miami and Miami-Dade County, this type of input is very helpful. This type of input applicants do end up liking it because when you guys give a good idea and for instance, I I'm gonna give you just a share from my private side. When you guys give a good idea that I can implement and that I can come back with all of a sudden, I come back to staff with that and I say, hey, listen, I listened to what they said over here and I did that all of a sudden, now staff is gonna feel a lot more comfortable that they're gonna say, okay, look, you know what? Let's let this project move forward and ultimately that's what the applicant wants. That's what the bank who's financing the applicant wants. That's what everybody at the end wants. So you guys, even though it may feel a little bit like you guys have your hands tied, a bit you guys make much more of a difference than it seems like. So I just want to keep you guys focused on that. Thank you. Let me just have a quick question. And then we can close this up. Sorry, because I'll forget and I appreciate your common Alex and your words of appreciation. You know, with a combination of inputs for market and experts in the code, you know like yourself and and other people having the conversations beforehand the entire city would benefit from it. All is by having more clients the city by having more business the projects by moving forward faster if everybody has an understanding of how things work everybody benefits you know know, I don't know one architect that is trying to stop projects on their tracks for the hell of it. And so when everybody has the same understanding and work as a United Front, projects happen. We put on the scrutiny, single-familiar residences, more so than we do buildings like that. You see it more often. The impact, yeah, but the impact I see it in other municipalities. Remember I I I present elsewhere. I'm on the opposite side. So I can understand how how evil is that? I see the percentage I've met him before. You know, I know I know the feeling and it's very difficult when you're trying to play both sides because sometimes they contradict. What I'm trying to say is if they did not contradict and we will find common ground, things will roll so much faster through process. For us architects as a person that gives service to a client is the most difficult thing is having them say listen This is gonna take a while. Why can we do this in six months? It's gonna take about a year and a half before everybody approves a project the city boards Residents and you know, there are many ways of making everybody happy, but when we are sitting in the position that we are right now, it's very uncomfortable. But at the end of the day, you have to speak the truth. I know where I stand right now. I know exactly that since they began code is code, and I'm like, okay, but it doesn't matter. I still have to speak my mind and say, a lot of us, I'll speak for myself. I don't want to speak on behalf of the board, but on myself, I know that the impact on that residential area is going to be tremendous. It's not going to be good. I know it. I know it. And it is nothing I can do. So, you know, that's why we're having this conversation. And that's why we are all donating our time because we care. All of you guys, otherwise we would be doing something else. Anyway, I think somebody has wanted to say something and then we can just wrap it up. So I was just curious about what kind of allowance of time do they have when they made a change with the alleyway and change the kind of townhouse design? What kind of allowance of time do they have to do something like that the way they presented it? So, so I think look before, you know, they, they, they initially submitted, right? They have to make a submission here with letter of intent and they have to meet certain minimum document requirements and application requirements so that they can be scheduled here to see this board, okay? During that time, they may get initial feedback from staff, right? Staff will say, you know, on a very technical level, right? Because what we hope is that when things come to this board, staff has already said, okay, you know, we're not going to see a use here that doesn't meet the code. We're not going to see a hike here that, you know, shouldn't meet the code unless we're asking for, you know, some sort of variance or it's, or it's something that's minor that says, you know, it's, you know, says one thing on the plans, but everybody's understanding that it's going to be lowered or whatever. But... or it's something that's minor that says, you know, it says one thing on the plans, but everybody's understanding that it's going to be lowered or whatever. But from the time that they submit, if there are some changes that staff says, hey, listen, we'd feel much more comfortable moving forward with this change or that change and all that. change or that change and all that, then that's something that can change and they might substitute those plans. But that said, that's not something that necessarily has a potential time frame element. They can submit before they come to this board and they say, look, we made this revision here and I understand that it doesn't help because you guys haven't had a chance to really review it. That's part of what the presentation is for and let them do that. And that said, I think we do have some issue. We shouldn't really be speaking about specific projects that are no longer in front of us. Yeah, like we can keep this general. Let's talk about that would be. Yeah, I'll comment. I'll comment. Let me make a general comment, because I don't want to drag this out too long, you know the thing is when someone makes a presentation 90% of the presentation is based on what we know is not going to be the thing and then they make a switch over the end and they say well we don't have the alley anymore well the change is the whole thing here that's the only problem I have so again I We don't have the alley anymore. Well, the change is the whole thing. That's the only problem I have. So again, we don't need to discuss it anymore because you're mute, but you're muted. You're muted. I'm not saying anything. Okay, all right. So that's it. So I mean, that's all I wanted to put on the record. And Yeah. All right. So let's wrap this up. I think we could talk a little bit more about, you know, what's best for us. As always, I like to leave, you know, what I know and my experience to the rest of the group and leave anything sticks, then it's highly appreciated. Okay. So last item is approval of minutes. April 15th, 2025. That's right. Was anybody? What was it that we met at Quorum? May 7th. What was it? May 6th? It wasn't made okay. I think you had a project or something. Do we have a motion on the minutes? I make a motion for approval. Second. Thank you. Volume favor say aye. Hi. All in favor say aye. All right. Hi. Hi. Hearing none. Minutes approved. So next meeting is June. June 3rd. June 3rd. Thank you all. All right. His meeting is adjourned. Thank you all. Thank you. I'm amazing. We can take care of everyone. We're going to see you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye. Very interesting meeting today. Ciao, ciao. It was interesting. Wasn't it? Thank you.