All right, thank you all for being here today for our special session. As we begin today, is there someone who would come up to the microphone and do our opening invocation? So someone here would do that for us, please. I thought Scott, Scott, I thought you were making a noble effort. Well, let's all stand together. And I will open for some prayer. Father God, we thank you that we are able to be here today to do the people's business. Thank you for our commissioners. I thank you for their commitment. And Father, they have each a deep abiding love for the people in their districts and are intensely loyal and we thank you for that. Thank you for the good things that you've brought in our county and continue to do and even through today. Pray that you would bless this time now in Jesus name. Amen. We would do our pledges to the flags please American flag and the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state, state under God one and indivisible. Thank you and you may be seated. All right as we move forward today let the record reflect that all our present here and are there any we have any comments that any of our citizens would like to make this morning concerning any of these things? They're being known. Let's go ahead and let's move forward emergency management Jason Good morning judge and commissioners Item 7a before us today is a consider discussed and take appropriate action to increase the not to exceed amount for the cost of DR 4798 hurricane borrowed re management services to an entity of 23,000 220,276 This includes monitoring from the re removal services These services are reimbursable under FEMA Cade at a 75 25% cost share Please name a funding source. As we discussed last week, this would finish out the debris pickup project with Perkin Borrel debris. The NTE would need to be exceeded on both debris pickup side with Crowder Gulf and with Haggerty. This is a one number. This is not either or. This allows us to finish what we started and get the debris picked up that still left out there to pick up. In correlation, we have about 1200 registrants right now that have registered for a final debris pickup that has not started. So that's 1200 households that have at least notified us with pictures and registration that they have debris to be picked up in that final pass. And we did do some research and full comparison to Hurricane Ike. Hurricane Ike, the total cost of Hurricane Ike, if you recall, we picked up the entire county, including the city of Conromb, was $23.8 million in debris pickup, or 952,000 cubic yards. We're currently at 1.2 million cubic yards picked up at this point With about another 200,000 or so to go and then of course the haul out and the grinding and the haul out and Then the site cleanup as they close up sites out. That's what the remaining cost is associated with this Yes, you're friends from me. So I have a with us today from credit golf read Looper Senior vice president of the operations and then from Haggerty miss Phillips a with us today from Carter Gulf Reed Looper, senior vice president of the operations, and then from Haggardy, Miss Phillips, this year as well, from Haggardy. There were questions that have that came up in the last in our last session. So gentlemen, if you want, now's the time to discuss them. I more things I was concerned about was give us an accounting of why we started here. And if we're going to do not the same full amount why is it an initial nine million dollars? So if you could kind of share with us what's going on? Yes, sir. Thank you judge good morning commission To the microphone. Sorry Morning judge morning commissioners honored to be here. My name is Reed Looper. I'm Senior Vice President of CriterGolf. For the Hurricane Barrel, the initial estimate was based on 700,000 cubic yards. That was roughly the same week that Barrel made landfall. That estimate was based on windshield assessments. Basically, that's driving around the county. And looking at what is currently on the right away. Keep in mind, that is a snapshot in time so that does not include any of the debris that is brought out subsequently as the weeks progress. How do you do those when she'll assess for sure did you guys? Crattered up did those. I can't speak to if Patrick did in that as well. We also validate that when she'll assessment based on the Army Corps of Engineers model and for a category one storm and based on the population of Montgomery County that did validate that 700,000 cubic yards. But again, this is a citizen driven event. Ultimately, you do not know the total amount of debris that is going to be brought out by the citizens to the right away. We've seen it in many cases where the core model is can be inaccurate and on category one storms where you not immediately seeing the debris placed on the right away that those estimates can become pretty grossly off ultimately. Did you call commissioners? Landfall was Monday morning on the eighth. We had commissioners court court special court on that Tuesday following landfall By that Friday Crowder was already picking up debris So we moved very swiftly to start debris removal There was a lot of discussion about getting it done faster So we added more trucks which adds more monitors to add to the cost because we were concerned about a rain event that could produce flooding So we wanted it out of the ditches and the right way as fast as possible. I think Crowder and Hagrid he stepped up the plate and got us the trucks, got us the monitors and got things rolling very quickly. And we're in a much better position today because of it, but we've got some work still left. Was the initial estimate three points some million dollars? Was that for 700, thousand yards of debris no sir the initial estimate total was twelve twelve million one hundred thousand for Crowderdolls part i think the original not to exceed amount was fourteen point one million that included agonies monitoring in three minutes what am i we're not getting that from i think that's our the original when we when the storm when the storm verse here we have allocated that much to get started. Yeah, okay Yeah, you gave us an initial let's get going and then we'll come back to the following court Yeah, okay Jason what areas did you say they're still that you all four precincts still have debris to be picked up in however based on Crouters driving around and picking up debris they believe they still have a significant amount of debris removal that be done in precinct four and precinct three but precinct one and two are not immune from it you guys still have debris to be picked up. Yeah we still have some but it's not as bad as some the other and you know the the tech stop portion of the conversation that we had last week there is some tech stop Right away picked up we have the agreement with text. In place. But the amount of debris that's in the text. Right away that residential debris that's in the text. Right away is actually a small portion of what's left to get picked up. There's still a significant amount of actual debris to be picked up that are registered addresses with with our residents with text not with text not on the right. These are these are non-text on right away so yeah miss rooper when did your original when shield assessment change when did you realize that you're gonna have more debris than you thought you would so at the height of the operation we were picking up about a hundred thousand cubic yards every three days we had a production rate of about thirty three to thirty five thousand cubic yards a day so as you can see that's a very large volume that's changing the overall operation quite quickly. We did submit our revised estimate back over to the county on 814 so roughly about halfway through the operation. We submitted a revised estimate that was reflecting 1.2 million cubic yards roughly. Okay. That revised totalization. I'm just talking to Mr. Ruff right now. Have you exceeded your the $14 million? The original not-to-excite amount? Have you exceeded that at this point? Yes, sir. Okay. Are you familiar with the term not-to-excite? Yes, sir. I am. Because that means that you don't go past that you know that we have no obligation to pay you for anything Beyond what we agreed to and not only do it not not not not only do we not have an obligation We don't have a way to pay you for that So I think we would be having a much different Conversation and much worse conversation back probably on 814 if Crotterdorf raised our hands and said we were going to stop all our operations when there's threat to public health and safety on the right away and it's urgent and compelling. There is many cases when we're operating underneath a state of emergency and a federally declared disaster where we do continue on pass those not to exceed amounts and those get amended after the fact. Well, we're happy that you continued, but the fact is that at 814, you sent an MMO to whom? That was an OEM. And it wasn't on the agenda until last week, last Friday. What did you, why would you not bring this to a sooner if you knew Jason? I believe when we received the advice, let me get my calendar in front of me. And much like this, we could have had a special session to address this in a more timely fashion. That's correct. So it came to the very first available commissioners court after I'd received it. And the revised estimate that was sent over included 50 trucks, I asked them to cut it down to 30, which also revised the estimate lower, not necessarily on the Crowder's part, because their parts based on cubic yardage, but the Haggerty contract changed dramatically. I think it dropped 1.5 million in cost because we reduced the trucks, which reduced the monitors. So there was some back and forth between us getting that revised estimate to a better number to present to you guys and commissioners. It also, quite a little if I'm wrong, does the dollar amount include haggity? Correct. The number before you today includes the following the next two items that are there. There's not it's all one cost. So of the 14 million how much of that was haggity? I'm not familiar with the exact number. Two three million four million. Two point one was haggity I have a 14.1. Yeah, okay Okay, and of the requested data it requires the not to exceed from 14 1 to 23 2 Haggity's included in that number because there's additional monitoring services Associated with what's already been picked up plus what we still have left to do So we're we have almost as much to pick up as we started with? I think the estimate we're not even ten million dollars more. No, the amount left to pick up is about 200,000, but we're already about 500,000 over the original estimate. What has been picked up on the 500,000 as long way from 10 million. So what do you mean in cubic yards? Yeah, cubic yards. Yeah, correct. Yeah. So they believe we still have somewhere between 150 to 200,000 cubic yards to pick up and then what's on the ground of the grind up, haul off and then the debris site removal, clean up all the closeout stuff. About six weeks worth of work. About two. Two weeks of pickup and then a couple weeks of close-out. Yeah. Tell us why are your terms of payment to mean, you get expected check for 23 months, since you're done walk out or what? Absolutely not, Judge. So our payment terms are very loose when it comes to working with clients that are seeking FEMA reimbursement. We've done over 500 different disaster to Burier removal projects in the company's history. So we're very familiar with the minutiae that it takes working through those FEMA reimbursements. So we look at this as a partnership with the county and we're very flexible on those payment terms. So we'll work with the county on that on a as needed basis. So we've we've currently we have submitted around $12 million worth of invoices, but those go through a very rigorous review process. So the county probably has not received any of those finalized yet because those get submitted to Haggerty first. Haggerty has to review those validate them all the per cubic yards, all the per tree, the herlamps, and disposal, and making sure that that is all eligible and validated loads. So, when's the last time you did a, what would you call it, windshield verification or whatever it was? Well, the initial one was back on 715 roughly. That was when the original estimate was sent, but that's being conducted basically daily by. So you're actually seeing that you think there's 200,000 cubic yards left, you're actually putting eyes on that. How much of that do you think people are cutting down trees and hauling it out there for us to pick up that weren't involved in the storm? Is that going on? That's hard to say. We don't determine eligibility. We just pick up the debris that's placed on the right away. That is not what we're testing. Does it have a good term in eligibility? Yes, sir. That's correct. So do they drive around sheep hiles and know that they can pick those up or what? Or do you know? That would be a question for haveacker. It's Hacker to hear. Cool. Yeah. I mean, we think some of that over in Preseek too. And when we say it, we just tell them we're not picking it up. And if they're stormed a bridge that we see, we've got all green, all dead leaves and dead limbs. And there's another pile on top of that. Correct. Green leaves and green limbs. We tell them we touch and none of them. Part of the reason, part of the way we're helping with some of that is in the final registration that residents had to go through to register for final pass, they had to also provide a photo of their debris pile. So that photo can be compared when Haggerty takes photos at time of pickup to validate what's there and what was supposed to be there at the time of that debris removal. So Haggerty, y'all taking pictures every time y'all wrote up to a pile, you're taking a picture of that pile too. Is that true? So, what Jason's describing is different than what the monitors are doing. Okay. So, there's a self-monitoring piece of this. So, in the early days of a storm, when it's all coming out to the roadway, that's a little bit different. Once you get to this point where there's less on the roadways, the monitors, we assign a monitor to each of the crowd or crews and they go with them. And they're watching that happen and they're using a validating system that's digital to where they can see what it is, they make the eligibility call when they're there. What Jason's describing is self-monitoring by the public where the county doesn't agree to come pick up at this point unless they look at it and determine that a pick up would be the right thing to do. They as in you or they as in. That information comes to us and we're pushing that list the crowd of those registrants for the final pass. So if I give instructions for precinct three to only pick up debris that's in front of residential homes at this point you can make sure that that happens. Yes because there's no reason for us to pick up debris that is on Woodlands Parkway and Cgan's mill and all of the other roadways right now because that debris is not coming from storm damage. If that's the instruction we're given, they can be residents normally. We have a board member with us, Brad Bailey, from the woodlands. And Brad, if you'd like to address this issue, because there is some conflict here over what's being picked up and what isn't, I've looked at videos myself. and Brad, if you'd like to address this issue, because there is some conflict here over what's being picked up and what isn't, I've looked at videos myself. We had, if you could, and Todd, if you could come. What's up? How are you? Sorry, sorry, you missed the customer, the constituent customer. Pincestitio comments, but this is probably more effective anyway. We have a tremendous amount of storm related debris. The first part of our, of the township's role is to get trees and township property off of homes, off of the first and foremost, then came fences and things like that. So we've got a tremendous amount. We've personally, as the townships have been over $2 million hiring contractors to come in and help us with this to bring clean up. As everyone knows, as overwhelming remark, we have consistently put out in social media and email blasts and such of its storm-related debris only. We actually push back or pick up of trees that were damaged before it's a judge key. I believe you have an example of this behind your house in which the township came and took a tree down, did not place it on the side of the road, loaded it up and took it out to help it you know in the way handway well actually they did They did place it on the side of the road right behind my house I saw moon two eyes and it sat there for a while and before this issue came up I just figured it'd be picked up by whoever or then we were out one day Jason Smith And I was right around we saw the township on that road picking up debris as I shared that with commissioner Noah because well I'll pick it up. We've rented equipment, we've hired several different contractors that are helping us pick it up. It's been two million dollars in contractors just to help us pick some of the stuff up and and ship it. Were they going with it when they pick it up? I think they're going to the township maintenance facility and chipping it up and we're using his mulch. Were they going with it when they pick it up? I think they're going to the township maintenance facility and chipping it up and we're using as mulch. So y'all are chipping it? No, this is a tree that we're not showing related. These are trees that we suspended that whole program while we're picking up debris and then we are picking up the trees that are not showing related and doing like we normally do. I'm sorry. Okay. related and doing like we normally do it. I'm sorry. OK. The storm related damage is just as a matter of reference, the county, all jurisdictions except the city of Conroe are in our debris management plan, including the Woodlands township. Regardless whether they're unincorporated or incorporated this time, they're part of our signed on debris management plan. Just like in Hurricane Ike, where we picked up for everyone, including the city of Conno, the county did, this time we're doing it for everyone, except the city of Conno, because the city is elected to do its own debris management plan and not be a participating member on our plan, so that makes this ineligible to cooperate with them, because we don't have an agreement with them on the debris site. So that's where we are, just for matter of reference contractual and how the debris management plan works. Why we're picking up these pictures that we're looking at right now. Are these trees are still on the ground now or what? No, these are some of the trees that we've taken care of. This is our first foremost role. We'll kind of get these trees taken care of, especially the ones on the houses that come from township property. Our staff is working morning noon to night. So taking down trees and that are not storm related and put them on the side is not something that we are doing and we are actually communicating to all of our residents not to do that and then we're going through the entire registration process that the counties come out with, with Crowdoll's, trying to do everything we can to help communicate the message that you guys have and you guys have put out. Director Bailey, I don't think that for fine large I don't believe the most residents are cutting down trees and bringing them out to the roadway. They are not part of the storm debris. I think that's probably being handled properly. But I spent a lot of time this past week driving up and down streets in New Woodlands have videos and pictures of contractors that are working for the township that are clearing out your pathways. Cutting down standing dead trees, cutting down green debris and bringing that to the right away. And you can drive up and down Woodlands Parkway right now, Lake Woodlands, Sterling Ridge, the park that dead ends on Tehramont and Black Knight on Saturday morning. It was pulling out debris and not dead stuff but cutting down a lot of green stuff pulling it out of the park and lining it up against the roadway. And that is happening. I have a video talking to a township employee who said they would come back and talk with somebody at the staff level because they knew that they were cutting down the standing trees and non-storm related debris and bringing it to the roadway. So that is happening. In many of the cases, we're clearing out pathways. We have a new pathway that we're clearing out on cooking all from research forest all the way to Williams Parkway. That debris is a new project. It's a new pathway that we're doing. We are putting it on the side for the contractor that we have to pick it up but we are picking that up. We're shipping that we're doing all that. It's not something that we're expecting for out of goal for the county to take on any way, shape or form. The issue is is there's no way to distinguish those two and we can't be picking up that debris that's a puts us in trouble with FEMA. So and honestly I mean it's not even a good practice to just put the debris in the county right away no more than it would be a good practice for me to put County debris in Terramont Park waiting to go pick it up. We'd be happy to practice. We'd be happy to establish a procedure in this situation in which we may be doing a different way of picking it up and putting it somewhere else, but in no way are we expecting them to pick it up. And I think Judge Kio, the tree that you talked about behind your house that we ended up picking up, we're not expecting the county to take that on. Well, at this point, the aggregate is going around with you and determining what you can and can't pick up. Is that correct? Yeah. That's correct. So when you talk about a procedure, obviously, if there is a vegetative debris at a roadside and Crowder comes upon it, and it's in an area that was affected, and there's no work going on, there's only so much a monitor can do to determine eligibility. So what I would suggest in this case, and we've done, I was the Infrastructure Branch Director for debris for hurricane Katrina. And I can tell you you can establish a protocol where we work with the townships or whatever is left to do in the areas that we're picking up and agree if they could give us a list of the roadways or they can give us GPS locations of where not to pick up, that's the best way to do it. And it's on the do not pick up list. I think the commissioner pointed out that if we stick to just picking up debris within precinct three to residential addresses, that eliminates a lot of this. Absolutely. That's the fair point. I mean, this is fair point to bridge debris. It's the easiest thing to do without having to try to track GPS, road coordinates, all the stuff. If it is associated with the residential address in front of a residential address, then it's. Both over on East Alden Bridge, as you turn off a 242 I mean there are still piles of debris there they're brown and they've been there since the very beginning they haven't even got to those yet yeah there's gonna be instances of that where and in some places you can't just say it's got to you got to figure out a way like Brad is saying that he's got to be able to tell you that there may be stuff on Ald in bridge that's his but there may still be stuff on all in bridge that's ours. Or research or any of them. I mean we gotta know. We can't just say in my opinion you gotta know you gotta let Brad figure out a way to let us know what's his. They need a partner or something. Yeah we can easily work out. We work with county however you guys would like to do it, to be able to firmly establish what is something going that's not storm related. We've got a lot of projects going on right now. What's going on in the rest of the county? I mean, what commission or... Riley, I know it's still got some stuff. And Commissioner Walker, you've got some stuff. Yeah, Commissioner Gray. We're not seeing independent contractors go in and pruning and doing maintenance work like that like we do see in the woodlands because that's an annual thing that the township does on a con-continual basis. So we're not necessarily seeing the conflict or confusion between what's storm related, what's not storm related, what's eligible for aggregate or excuse me, Crowder to pick up versus his conductors. But I think you asked the commissioners what the state of affairs was in each one. So in precinct four, we estimate about 200 loads left. And if we split up 2.5 million per precinct, that would be about $13,000 per load, or we'd be paying, which is a little egregious in my opinion. So some of the inefficiencies that I've witnessed and noticed is just the jumping around, they won't stay in an area and complete that and we'll pick up the fluffier stuff versus the bigger stuff and do that. So instead of just completing an area, it's a lot of jumping around, which has been tough for us, but we're happy that we've had the assistance and you know did respond very quickly which we appreciate. I feel like we were double charge in some instances because we were running out trucks as well but we can't go dump where the mulchings take in place so we got to go pick it up and drop it off here and then we're billed for picking that up from our dump sites to take it back over there. So a lot of us do not have any monitor with your crew monitoring what your crew are picking up and determine eligibility at that time. And so that's an ineligible expense and that's why you got monitors of people working at the yard so so I disagree with that. But you didn't have monitors assigned to your cruise but there are monitors of people there at the yard where you're taking it to and then it gets picked up and it's eligible to be moved and taken from it but if they were following your truck you wouldn't have had to go to that extra step. Well, let me say it's the cost that we were at 14 million now we're talking up to not to exceed 23 million 23.5 Do we have the money to cover this? Should we decide to do it right now? We, Amanda, I talked to you also talked to Raquesh in terms of our portion, which is the 25 percent, I guess, correct? At this point, the HAC is still working to get us to 90,'s, but I don't have much hope for that. So we do have an unrealized allocation of interest earnings. So money that we've collected on interest earnings that we could use towards the project. At the end of the day, you can also name fund bonds. Either way, our plan is to talk with financial advisors, see what the impacts of these kind of conversations are, we don't know at this point if we're going to be sending out $25 million at one time or if we're going to send out multiple payments. So I think a lot of that is dependent on really what happens in the cash flow side of it. But I would say, do you have the money in your fund balance or in yes? The answer would be yes, right? Ideally though, and the idea will, it can't take as long as, you know, some of the past hurricanes on getting those reimbursements from FEMA back. The other answer needs to be no. We're not paying one check for 23 million bucks. Yeah, that's the other answer. And there's a guy right there. Tell us how we're going to take on him. Crotters make that, made that clear to us that they're not expecting that type of payment all at once. They'll work with the county on payment terms to lessen the burden on the fund balance. At the same time, as we talked last week, Morgan, in my office, is working to try to do an expedited project for Cate de Brede. How's that going? We haven't applied yet, because I'm waiting on a decision from the court. But as soon as we have a decision from the court we can move forward with that application process talking weeks to months to receive a reimbursement if it's approved. Remember the counties never done an expedited project before so there is some we tried to expedite to $14 million we got committed. I can't speak to what the county's done in previous storms but this is something that we just checked all the boxes off last week to be eligible for this project. So commissioners court not taking action last week didn't stop us. It's just we had several meetings we had to have with FEMA and TDM last week that had to have curbed the prior to our application. We're now in the process where we can apply. Decision today will allow us to know what number to apply for. The under the withholding and stuff we potentially could recoup 9.1 million dollars fairly quickly within months, which would help lighten a load a little bit And then we have to prove up that claim to go go after the additional cost. What is the normal time frame years? Yeah, yeah Yeah, we have the exact we have the Executive Vice President here, Eric. Yes, sir. And, Kraut or Gaul, how is it that you guys can float 25 million bucks? So, Kutterbrest has been doing this for 55 years in business. So, it has flew the financial strengths of the company maintains to be able to float the project cost on storms even much larger than this. In recent years in 2020, Hurricane Ian, that ultimately was about a $400 million project. We obviously didn't float all of that, but a portion. So we're able to absorb a lot of that financial burden for the first three, for five months, sometimes six months, it depends on the clock. Are you familiar with the contractual obligation of the county in your contract with us to repay what we owe you? Yes, sir. What is that? Can you tell us? I believe the payment terms are 30 days. But like I said, we do not hold the county. And we can, you have the authority to make that. Yes sir. I can say give you my guarantee here is an officer of the company of crowd of that we will not hold Montgomery County to the payment terms within the contract. We will extend those on a negotiated basement basis and we will accept payment incrementally as invoices are submitted and approved and validated from your monitoring firm. I don't think we've received an invoice. You have to ask. Once they invoice us, they invoice us and then guess, Hagerty will review it and then will review it and then we'll submit it. And once we are, we are still subject to prompt payment, but it's on the invoices that are received. We haven't received one yet. And to be clear, there's no one on this court wants to not pay. Understood. Understood. That's not the issue. Nor is solvency for the county and issue or being able to write a $25 million check, the concern, at least for me, is twofold. One, it is the fact that on 814, you advised emergency management that, hey, it looks like we're going to go over the not to exceed. And I don't have a problem with you doing that. I agree with what you said that that's common practice. That it happens, that that's what we would want to occur. But Judge, I think in the future we need to know I don't know if you knew 814 or not but I didn't know the conversation took place and I think if there is if there is an error here, jesus getting the information together he brought it to the first available commission or court. The initial as I said the 14 number that I received from both haggity and Crowder was was pretty substantial. It was higher than what I'm presenting to you today. Part of that is because we had 50 trucks built into that cost with which it not really the cost on Crowder with the 50 trucks is they're paid by the yardage but there's additional monitors associated with those trucks. So by cutting those trucks down to 30 that reduced 20 monitor, 20 plus monitors per day over the the term of the remainder of the extension of the contract which pulled another one point five million off that estimate and that's what i brought the court to present so there was a there were several days back and forth with them working on that revised estimates because i did not feel that we needed to continue to push it fifty trucks at that point tell me exactly how many of the twelve hundred people that you have that have signed up for the second round of the re-removal, how many are in precinct 3 and how many of them are in the woodlands. I can get that information for you. I don't have it readily available. What I'd like to do to make it easy for us not to be confused by debris and precinct 3 that may not be storm related is we can just pick up our own debris in precinct three in the woodlands We can bring it to the site correct. It would not be eligible for reimbursement unless it's have you have a monitor with your truck Well, I mean, I agree he has monitors, right? We can stick one in the truck Yeah, you're getting into an extremely complicated process of keeping it separated for that. So let me just add a slice of vice president and Man's room. Ity is that a possibility? So yes we can provide monitors to a monitor is required both at the disposal location along with the pickup location. Because you do that now there is on each of the Hagerty. Correct correct so we could easily just stick one of those people in our big truck go out there pick up the debris and you can monitor and make sure that it was on on the agenda you have a minute that way what what what do you have to do that truck to get it well that's so it has to be there's a whole process in plac placarding and measuring and all of that for validation purposes that has to happen and then there would be additional costs for additional monitors other than the ones that we're providing for Crowder. So there would be that additional cost. And that doesn't take account the grinding in the disposal side of things. So I mean that's a whole nother process that we have to deal with. What? You have two items on the agenda. You got up to 23 to 20. Yep. I mean, you have in the second one for Hagerty, 4 million 86. That number is built into the 23 million. You need to approve that. That's approving the amendment to the contract. So of the 23 to 20 it's really 19 if you didn't have aggregate basically. That's just on the debris side of the disaster. Okay. Well I'm going to make a motion on AMB that we go ahead and approve payment for the offset to the house. Yeah, offset. Jason you and I can work on how we're going to handle debris pick up and proceed. I don't think we've got anything on. Correct, I think right now will the instruction be if it's not associated with a residential address, the front residential address. We've got a motion in a second. Now we have a funding source on that. We need a funding source on the most. You want it to be fun balance? Fun balance for AMB. Hey Brad, one more time if I can. Brad, you sure you can show us and point out what's yours and what's not yours. Yes. On all these roads. Yes, sir. I have some in the township representing and show that they could ride along with. I don't know. I don't need that. We just need to know. Get back. What are you doing? Commissioner, I can in yourself, to a certain rally, to identify the areas in which that we are doing construction or clean up my blood storm debris and what is not. We'll develop a process for that and be happy to work with commissioners. It's easy if it's okay with you, Commissioner Riley and Commissioner, no act since Morgan talks to Crowder and Hale, I would say that coordination, we can pass through. You're still gonna take care of all in bridge for me with your cruise, like you've been doing. Fine, yeah. Can you do it? I know, I drive up and every day, and it's a mess. Is there still more? Well, we haven't been picking up any debris since. I know, but, but, right now. I'm happy. I'll just take that and I'll just read and tell you what's what and what's his and we want to pick up everything that we're supposed to we do need we need to go everything we can. We just do you want us to coordinate with a township with Morgan in our office or do you want to handle that and I work with okay so we'll stay out of it we'll just continue to do what we're doing and let you handle the specifics in the township minus the residential addresses. We'll do that. Team E inform to Brad. If you would. Thank you. All right. We have a motion of seconds. Any more discussion? I do. Jason. Yes sir. When we had the last court who takes the calls for the debris management out of your office? It comes into the office. It could be any number of employees or volunteers that are answering the phone that day. Volunteers? We have volunteers too. Cald volume is kind of dropped except for a Cald volume went through the roof after court last week. I guess there was a enormous amount of people watching it live that I was kind of shocked. My phone was sitting over there by the time I sat down I received several dozen text messages from citizens that were watching the conversation concerned that they had piles and they've been waiting on the list waiting on the list so but call times back to normal because we've told everybody just let's wait till today and have a final decision from the court and we'll move forward so we will receive and call where they were advised by your office to call the precinct directly. That's correct. Before we even got out of court. So yeah, yeah, at some point in time, the staff not being able to get all of me had no choice but the direct cost of the commissioner's offices. So judge, if we can add one thing to the motion, and that would be just to ask our treasurer, Ms. Bush, to make us aware of any cash flow issues. I know timing is important this time of year. This is when our funds are the lowest at this point because we're going to collect taxes. If you resend the motion and make in rephrase it if you would, second to resend. You can just supplement that motion. And we do that. And while we can last, he said six weeks for the total project, two weeks left to pick up. Is that right? And three weeks of grinding just to clarify? Yes, so that'd be correct. That's the maximum. We really feel like it would probably be two weeks left for collection, two weeks left to grind in the haul out after that. Okay. I just want to clarification here on that timeline. After all of this happens operationally, where it's actually being picked up, when we're also talking about timing on getting, Heggardy is also responsible for working with the county on the cost recovery through FEMA. So in putting the PWs together and all of that, there's a lag time. After you see the work that's complete operationally, there's still several weeks after that, where we've got to do validation and yet back to you guys and invoicing and that sort of thing. So administratively, the timeline is out from that as well. Appreciate that. I know you'll take care of that, but right now I just got to get the stuff out from people's houses. All right. What's the most significant is you've been and received? Who processes the registration? They've gone on your office or through the Pagody. Does the Pagody do all of this? And how do they see that? So we provide that list to both Pagody and Crowder once it comes in. So the final registrations are now closed. They ran through August 31st. So there is no more eligibility to register. We gave everybody about 20 days to final register and of that we received 1,200 or so final registrants. So a lot less than the first pass, but this final pass is there at about 1200. All right, all in favor? Aye. Posed? Motion carries. Thank you, Jason. We appreciate it so much. All right, let's move on to item B which we had already mentioned is in with the dollars amount of item. I think you the end being. Okay, there was going to purchase in Gilbert. Good morning. Good morning. Well, we're adding here is a traffic control for state roads during this process. And actually the price is better than the contract price. So about $1,400 per crew per day versus somewhere in the neighborhood of 3,000 currently, if they're just doing county work. I mean, Chris, we're going to have to have. There's not a lot of text on work. There's some. I don't know the exact number on the cruise, but the estimate on the tree is less than 50,000 cubic yards. What I don't understand about this text dot, is that what's it? If they're not going to pick up, they could at least provide somebody in a truck in traffic control for these guys picking it up. Instead of us, I'm going to pay for it. We're doing everything in a world for them. They can't do that. So I mean, there's a lot of back and forth. I think at some point in time when we had our meetings with the precincts, the precincts asked us to reach out to TechStyle to get this done. That's when the negotiation began with TechStyle to figure out who was gonna pick up what TechStyle informed us that they were't provide some kind of traffic control for these guys picking it up. They want us to pay for that too. I believe the total cost of the traffic controls in this contract is less than 40 grand. It's a small amount of money. I think it's more of just the, I know it's principal. Let me ask, I don't understand why we need a separate contract to do this only anyway. So wait, let me go through this process. So we are talking about state roads within Montgomery County, right? Okay, so these are residents of Montgomery County. They live here. They pay their taxes. They're not in the city of limits of Conroe. Correct? That's critical on why do we need a contract to pick up their debris? We're picking up everybody. So it's not eligible for a female reimbursement if the county does it on state right of way. That's why we have to have the contract. I don't make the female laws, but that's a female rule. The same reason why we can't pick up debris in a gated community because it's not county right away. Well, without an agreement with with that entity that owns that right away. Exactly reason. Texans are right away. So we have to have an agreement. What's the cost of the sound? Why is it less than $50,000? Why are they not doing it? Well, not for that's not for the debris part. It's still traffic and traffic. Yeah. I believe the debris is less than 50,000 cubic yards. So we're not talking about in the scheme of things a whole lot of money. But we are having to pay the 25% for textiles. It's crazy. We should not pay. We should tell textiles they need to pay the 25% upfront. Just like we do. Don't pick it up until you tell them they're paying that. That is what is due. So that, the agreement with tech thought does not include that who made this agreement the agreement Tech stop made the agreement. I signed the agreement with that you don't have the authority to sign an agreement Do you without the court? I believe under this as your declaration that I'm able to pick up the debris I don't you look I don't know Listen here, so we're talking over pennies here now Got 40 to 50,000 cubic yards. And how much is that? How much is that? I can ask Crowder. How much was that? It's been on the total cost for calling the company. That's going to be debris. And then in that control. And then traffic control. We believe that the total volume of debris is probably a little less than the 40 to 50,000, probably more on the scheme of probably 10 to 20. So running some quick numbers of cradle to grave cost in my head really quickly, probably looking at somewhere around $350,000 for that cost. So it's just as a question for the amount of money that we're paying you to think you might could just toss that in. I'm trying to negotiate here but I am a little bit I mean with paying $24 million on this whole project can you can you work with us? Can we get can we get interest on the on the money that we are floating. 50,000? That's actually, again, it falls into some of those FEMA guidelines and rules. So we are not at the luxury to be able to do that. I think we need to go to text out and tell them they need to pay the 25%. You're still talking about $100,000. Well, and the thing is, they weren't wanting to recruit recruit the they weren't wanting to pick it up at all Well, so I'm at the 25% that would have to be paid but when FEMA reimburses it They're not getting that money back. No the agreement with tech stock says that they're not seeking reimbursement for any debris removal along the right away And tech on FM roads within Montgomery County Montgomery County is gonna pick it up and seek reimbursement from FEMA For that picked up for that pick up, for that work. That includes the traffic control work. So the county's cost of that is Commissioner Point Out with math was about 90,000 when you split the 75, 25 bond. But I mean, it's debris on their roadway. Eventually they'll pick it up. We can certainly talk to them. We're talking to techSot all the time. We're in their offices. We're talking to you. We certainly do that for the benefit of this. Do we have a motion to approve it so we can continue on and we will talk with them. See about getting reimbursed from them. Do we have a motion to that effect? Right here. I'll make a motion that we do this, but we have got to the negotiate with these people about the 25% and the traffic control. It's not hard to get somebody to keep running over these guys, setting up a traffic for a lot of them. They don't, they don't that much. They got more people over there than, well, don't, don't need to get started. I'll reach out to Bruno today. Okay. We have a motion. It's a second. I move. Yes. I'll second. We have a motion in a second. Is there any more discussion? Oppose. Oppose. Make two. I'll post. Okay, three, two. Okay, then. They ain't going to happen. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, gentlemen. All right. At this time, we're going to temporarily recess for executive session. We'll recess pursuant to one more of the following provisions of the Texas Government Code to which chapter 5551 sub chapter D articles 551.072. Be patient. We shall return. Thank y'all. All right, thank you all for being patient with us. I'm going back from executive session. There is no action to be taken. Do we have any comments as before we, the court adjourned? Yes, we do. Commissioner, go ahead. Yes, we do. We have been talking about the executive session issue and executive session for some time. And at this point, Jason, I would like for you to formally request the presence of representatives Steve Toath at the next commissioners court meeting to address some issues we are working through regarding his the conversation he's had with the landowner and the negotiations he did on behalf of the state of Texas. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner. I agree. 120%. And it'll be here in at the dice. Yeah. Oh, no 24s, right? Yes, sir. Okay. All right. And and it's all over the next course to need a little time. 24th. All right. Y'all good? Perfect. All right. If there are no other comments rather than motion to adjourn. Move. So move second on the favor. I thank you. Have a great rest of the week. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, if there are no other comments about the motion to adjourn. So move second on the favorite. Thank you and a great rest of the week.