Aloha khakahia khakoh. Good morning and welcome to the 10th session of the Hawaii County Council. The date today is April 2nd, 2025. It's 9 a.m. And we're meeting this morning in our Heelow Chambers at the Hawaii County Building 25 Opunyi Street to begin today's meeting that we call on Kahuhu Daniel Kauah of Highly Congregational Church to provide our invocation, Kahuhu. Aloha kaka33, and it reads, Seeky 1st the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and these things shall be added unto you. So please consider that as we go into prayer this morning. Ipulicacco shall we pray. Please bow your heads. A gracious Heavenly Father, we thank you for another beautiful day here in Hilo. We're so blessed Father to be in this island paradise. We enjoy with loved ones and friends and visitors alike, who share a love for our island home. And all we can say is thank you. As another session begins today for our county leadership to gather and discuss things regarding our island, we pray, Father, that you will be with each individual here. I pray that you will lift each one up and encourage their hearts, open their minds, feel their souls with your knowledge, need it to care for, and to steward all that has been entrusted to them. I pray for the wisdom needed to use the knowledge that they all share collectively to establish a community built in love, built in friendship and built in Oana. I also pray for each person here in their family's Lord. It's thought an easy task to be a leader in this community without its criticisms and its verbal attacks. And so we pray for each person participating in our local government to be covered by the Holy Spirit, cover not only the individual but their families as well, Lord. I pray for the peace in their hearts and their lives and for health and healing in the days to come. I ask for prosperity to be of their doorstep that they may be able to blessing to all that they meet in their life's journey. Send your angels of protection, Lord, to guard over them and to make straight their paths in this life that they may give you all the praise Lord. And And all of this, we pray and ask you this day in the name of your Son, Jesus. And now as we close our prayer time, Lord, we pray the prayer that you taught us to pray in our mother tongue. I I am a man. I am a man. I am a man. I am a man. with the It is 905 calling this meeting to order, me. Mahalo, noe, eh kahu kaho. With that, it is 905 calling this meeting to order Mr. Clerk, roll call please. Councilmember Gilemba. Here. Councilmember Eustis. Present. Councilmember Kaguata. Here. Councilmember Connie Lee, Kleinfeld here. Here. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Present. Councilmember Campbell. Councilmember Oñishi. Present. Cousin Rovie Agas. Hey'm in. Senator Campbell. Senator O'Neill. President. Senator Villegas. Hey, no. Chair. You know, Chair and Abbey have quorum with all nine members in attendance. Thank you. Would you please lead us. Challenge Academy of folks joining us in chambers this morning, while learning a little bit more about civics and engagements. Aloha to all of you. Thank you for being here. We have a few certificates to start with this morning and we'll begin with our Havail Award recipient. For those joining for the first time our Hovell Award is created by the Council to recognize members of the fire and police department alternating month to month. In this month we have with us the Hovell Police Department, sadly, to call on leadership and the award recipient to proceed to the front table. And I believe major Amaral will be giving the introduction so you can do so upon being seated. Good morning, council members. I'm Major Scott Amaral at the Area One Operation Bureau that east side of the island. First of all, I want to thank all of you for this prestigious award, a real award, Council Member Inaba specifically. Thank you. This month's award winner is Officer Jason Lin of Pune Patrol. Officer Jason Lin, when he came out of field training, he came to the Puna District where I was a captain. And it was rough in the beginning because he's learning and Puna, as we all know, is a pretty difficult place to work. But he put a lot of time and effort and dedication into what he was doing out there. So this month he's getting recognized for an incident occurred in a lot of states. Where? a lot of time and effort and dedication into what he was doing out there. And so this month he's getting recognized for an incident occurred in a lot of states where he went to a call of somebody who was screaming, was bleeding profusely from one arm. He gets over there and he finds that the person had been attacked with a machete by a family member, had serious injuries to both arms. He applied to turnigas to this person to help save this person's life. And if that wasn't enough, our juvenile A section as well as their detectives actually showed up. But the next day he went back out there, even though the detectives section took over, and he was able to locate that person. The suspect would did it, and he arrested him. So, you know, he's really being recognized, not only for the great work he did there, but the follow-up and the follow-through, because even though the detective section took it over, he still wanted to catch the bad guy, which is what he did. He took a group of people up with him, and they got it done. So his level of dedication, his growth over the last so many years, I mean he's been in almost five years, has been significant. Like to thank him for everything he's done, as well as thank his family for giving up so much to allow him to be a great officer in the district of Pune, which is a district that I live and so I'm very happy and proud to have him today. Thank you very much, Major Amaral, and with that officer Lynn, if you'd like to make a statement to the council prior to me opening it up to the membership, you can click the green button there. I'd like to first thank my wife, my wife Gohia and my kids, without their sacrifice and their support. I wouldn't be able to do the job that I do. I'd like to thank my parents, my brother, as also here, my rank, Sergeant Davies, for nominating me for this award. And I'd like to thank the county council members for for presenting me and recognizingising me to put his word. Thank you very much, officer. I would like to open it up to the membership. And yes, if we didn't know, officer Lynn's brother is Deputy Director of R&D Dennis Lynn. So we'll start with our Puna council members. Council member Cunyeli Kleinfeld here. Thank you client further. Thank you, Chair. The incident you responded to is in my district. And it really is unfortunate how many calls like this we've had over the past. I mean, you say decades, but it feels like it's getting more and more so as time goes by. That really does concern me. But I feel better at night knowing that guys like you are patrolling and responding to things like this. That helps me know that I'm safe, my family is safe, and that all of our families and putters safe for your hard work, for your ranks hard work, and for everyone in our Puna Patrol. How many officers do we have in Puna? I'd say roughly we have about 100 officers give or take for the Puna district. For the Puna district. Actually, it's about 60. It's about over 60 because of how hard it works. How many officers do you have per shift, eight or on the road? Eight. How many take upper point, how many take lower point, four and four? You cover an area the size of a wall. Four officers, up four officers down. I cannot speak out enough for what you folks do every day. It's incredibly hard to respond to a colleague this to apply first aid which is your training. Then to follow up the next day and apprehend the person who did it. That's very commendable. Which is why you're here. Thank you for what you do. Keep doing what you do. Thank you for bringing him in and presenting him to us. Thank you And the malleter family for supporting you because it's not easy Councilmember Kirkowitz Officer Lynn congratulations I really appreciated you taking a moment to recognize your ohana because it's it's true your wife, your family, do a lot to sacrifice so they can support you and the work that you do to serve and protect our community. So thank you for doing that. I think your dedication to public safety really speaks to your character as a person. You seem to be incredibly humble, grounded, and you go the extra mile because that's how you're raised. You make sure you get the job done. So thank you for everything that you do day in and day out to protect our community and being a shining example of the officers that we are so proud to have in our department keeping Hawaii and I then safe. Congratulations. Thank you. Place chair on issue. Thank you chair. Good morning. Congratulations. I know the Lynn family for all a long time and I remember the younger than Dennis, but then you know, like we're working at the restaurant. Right. Yeah. So I so I mean it's really you know grateful that the department has someone like you and I just want to say that I guess you're gonna have a bright future and I look at you being one off on like on ranking position and hopefully you can succeed and just moving it all the way up. And so congratulations again, congratulations to your parents and your brother for doing a great job. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Chair, only should you Council Member Villegas. Sure. Aloha Mr. Lynn. And to your O'Hanna, congratulations. And thank you for sharing your son, your brother, your husband, your father with our community in such a pivotal role for the health and safety and well-being of a community that unfortunately is all too often harmed by the actions of people making poor choices. When I look at you the words that come to mind are courage and wisdom. All with that strength provided by humility, you had the courage to step in and provide first aid to someone who most likely would have bled out had you not. You had the wisdom to know what to do for first aid. And you have a humility to sit here and in your first mahalos, thanks those that support you and have helped get you to where you are today. And then you had the courage to go back and find the person who had done this and bring them to justice and ensure that they did not do this to someone else. So thank you. Thank you for exemplifying those values, those priorities, and committing your life to serve for the greater good of everyone, which is something we need more of in our community and in our world today. So thank you. You are deeply, deeply cherished by everyone here and appreciated. So Mahalo, please take good care of yourself, take good care of yourself, do whatever it takes to get the support. Cause there are probably things you're gonna have to navigate after all that. And so there is a lot that comes with experiencing those things. So just thank you and thank you to your family. Aloha. All right, with that, again, on behalf of the County of Hawaii, most especially the Hawaii County Council, we recognize and honor you for your work. Your Havail Award this month speaks to that level of coin beyond what is required. So if we could please stand for the presentation of the award. Oh I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I Mahalo, take a quick recess for some photos. Ohana, please come forward and officer Lynn as well. you you you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mahalo, call in this meeting back to order. I'd like to now call on Councilmember Kirkowitz. She has a presentation this morning. Yes, please be seated. Thank you, administrator Magnum. Bill Hansen reached out to me a couple of months back and said, Hey, Ash, can we please recognize a superstar volunteer, Dennis McHarton. He is the 2024 recipient of the Cert Volunteer of the Year Award. Cert stands for Community Emergency Response Team. These are members of our community that go through really rigorous training to be able to get the certification. And when there is a disaster that is coming our way, they help communities prepare and work with civil defense to respond in the event of, say, a volcanic eruption, or a hurricane or a wildfire, all of these things we've experienced all too often over the last decade. Dennis is really exemplary. He and his wife Sharon, who is also in the audience I've known for a number of years now. They are fixtures in our community, not just in Puna, but around to Vitee Island. They show up to everything. Neighborhood Watch meetings, community events, revitalize Puna activations, disaster preparedness fares. I think it really just really embodies who you are as a person, someone with a servant heart, a big heart for community, and what comes to mind is a quote, right? When you volunteer, that is the ultimate exercise of democracy. Elections you vote every other year if you vote at all. But when you volunteer, you vote every single day for the kind of community that you want to live in. So thank you, Dennis and Sharon, for doing everything you can on a daily basis throughout your life to shape Hawaii Island for the better. Tellmage. Councilor Talmage, thank you, so the Defense Administrator. Thank you, Ashley, for those comments and recognizing Dennis McCartan. I think you covered everything well. The one thing I want to add is that their commitment to the community and giving back also extends to the instruction, the basic instructions and the recertifications that they provide to the whole island. During the weekends that we support or or have these training sessions, they'll come to their whole weekend, go out to every corner of this island, give their time, week after week. Not throughout the whole year, we spread them out, but they're impacting all your districts. And so they are truly certain but island volunteers as well. So thank you. Thank you administrator and I also just wanted to note that you know Dennis had a very distinguished career as a commander in the US Navy Reserve Medical Service Corps. So thank you for a lifetime commitment to service. Then this would you like to share anything with the council? Yeah, I'd really overwhelmed by this honor and it's been a great pleasure to work alongside the civil defense and the staff there and all the people in the community that come out and get the training. We've developed a really good program I think in this this county, I think it's really a model for the rest of the islands. So, and this island offers a lot of challenges all the time, Madam Pele and Mother Nature don't spare us. So it's really enriching for me and for the program and for the program to continue what we're doing. Thank you. Thank you. And I think we are stronger as a community because of all of the challenges that we've had to navigate. So thank you for being a shining light and someone that we can count on through every event. Thank you, Chair Hayald. Thank you, Councilmember Kirkowitz. I mean, what else, Councilmember Fenyali, you've been a pleasure. Thank you very much, Jack. This really is a treat for us. Thank you, Telmich, for making this happen. Dennis and his wife, Ben, I think, more meetings than I have. And you predate me as well, and your dedication to communities has just been such an honor. It's been an honor for me to know you folks, and to understand what you do in our community. And you really do. You show up to everything. It's impressive. Not everyone does what you do. That's why you're here today. So thank for your service to our community, but also to our nation. I look forward to working with you over the years. This is really neat. This is a treat for us. Thank you. Council Member Villegas. Aloha and congratulations. Wow, while I don't know you personally, I am confident that the actions you've taken and the participation that, and your contributions to this island are county and community as a whole, have benefited my life directly, even when I didn't know it. Your legacy of leading and serving is exemplified here by the testimony and support of so many different people. And this idea to bring you forward, I am your pillar in your community. When pillars are sometimes hard to come by these days and I think it's so poignant that we have all of these young people looking at how to navigate their future and their lives and where they will find purpose and belonging and participation And you're an incredible example of that. So I just think it's really a perfect day to have so many young people here to take heed and to see what it looks like to be a man who is served with such unselfish intentions for the betterment of his community as a whole. May we all take notes and learn from how you lived. So Mahalo. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember V.A. Yes. Vice Chair, I'm issued. Thank you, Chair. Just honestly, Chair. Just, I want to say congratulations and keep up the hard work and work with townards from so many fields. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm a hollow councilmember Kirkowitz for bringing this wonderful person before us today. And with that that we're going to take another quick recess for a photo and then we'll proceed to our last set of certificates. you All right. Calling this meeting back to order as saving our folks from KS., Vice-Chairon Ishii, take it away. Thank you, Chair. And first of all, I want to thank my colleagues to having patients because this might take a while. Okay, because you see how many, and this is just the girls that want the champion. We still have the boys. Yeah. So have some patience with me. Okay, thank you very much. So yes, this morning we're here to recognize Camilla's schools, Hawaii girls, targeting. And in February they won the State Girls championship. So we're here today to honor them on their hard work and also on their sportsmanship and also on their leadership within their team. And so I wanna bring them up in front of us so we can start from the manager. and and and and So shit. It's, are you from my man? Yes. Oh my Yes. You know, was that your grandfather that played Kupunosu software? Yes. Oh, thank you. I know him from like a long time back there. Yeah, because I was with the other Lee Kupunosu software guy. Yeah, I was with the county. Yeah, he's with the county parks. Yeah, yeah. So I worked with the parks too. I was in my first year. Oh, in you? Yeah, it's not there. So I'm still in the end for his position. I'm talking to you. Pretty soon. I'm still in the infos. We have here today, like I mentioned, the coming of school, Hawaii, girls soccer team that won the 2025 girls state championship. So I wanted to recognize them and as Chair, you know, I've always mentioned, yeah, District 3, we always awarding our high schools, you know, sports teams that achieve to that highest level that we can get to. So I wanted to introduce, this is Coach Kuri. He's a head coach of the Girl Soccer Team. And he's gonna say a few words, and then he'll later introduce all the players and the assistant coaches and the managers. And at that time, we'll be presenting them a certificate from the county council. And also, we're giving them a a lay. Okay coach. Never spoken a mic before so. Well first off I appreciate this opportunity from the county council to recognize all the hard work and allows us to hang out at least for one more day and showcase my blonde hair that they did. That doesn't want to seem to grow out fast enough. But that's generally it without getting too emotional. They really appreciate the time. It's definitely the journey and not the destination. And that completely reminds me of it. And I appreciate this is part of it. So every opportunity we get is appreciated and extremely blessed and grateful for. Yeah, and also as a coach, you're not just a coach, right? You're a counselor, you're an uncle, your father, you know, and I mean, thank God he has assistance to help him out because we don't want a girl you see here today. Like, I coach basketball. I had like 10 to 12 girls. That wasn't too bad. And I had a couple of assistance. But when you have like 20, a lot. Yeah. But yeah, so you need help, right? 23, yeah. So yeah, thanks. So coach, what can happen is you can announce each person. You have the list. Give it to somebody. Okay, you can go. I don't know. So you've got to check who's here and then we'll present on it. You can check it. You can check it. So we'll start on. I guess the top. Oh, we're going from the top? Easy, I think we're going from the top that one. Okay. Okay. Lahala Kuri. Mia Chow. Alissa Hadbin. It would be meh. It would be behind. Kelly Chong. Madison Myers. Kiela Niwetal. Emma Kudy. Liana Chandler. I'm a good. The other channel. Sonoy is not here but I wanted to recognize her Sonoy Quintana. I'm a vi. I'm a. In a little hunger. Harveston, Carrieilin Andrade Iona Akka. Mekayla Aina. Lily K. Wong. Isis Respecio-Racugos. Raceline Respecio. Alohi, Kalaloa. Kaloa Oa, Cala Ola, Mara Quinn, sorry, Kaylee Raposo. Assistant coach, Octavio, not here, Jimi Sinsato, Nalu Myers, There is R Strom Oakley-Moto, and my assistant coach, Susie Kudy. And one of our managers, Locke Martinez. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm. Sorry I wasn't sure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You got to have your help for everybody. Thank you so much. Who's your team captain? Four of them. Okay. La Hela, Mia, Alissa, and Mauson. Okay. Can we have the four come up front here? As team captain? Okay. I just wanted to see if we sort of like to say a few words, right? You can talk about your coaches, okay? You can tell how hard it was for you guys, you know, those, what, you guys all seniors? I was senior, they're both a junior. Oh, okay, so you know, hard work that you have to put in, right? Yeah. To get to this stage, right? Yeah. Okay, we'll start with you first start with you first. I just want to first start off by saying all glory to the man above without him we wouldn't have gotten to this position and a really big thank you to our coaches they had to do with a lot of us and all of our like playing around and group around but they made sure that we stayed on track and that we kept our eye on the overall goal and this team is just a bunch of hard workers they put all the work in and yeah they like I don't know I'll to say. Okay. I also want to say thank you to the coaches and from our hard loss last year we definitely came back stronger. I want to say thank you to our coaches and to this team without the hard work and dedication of all of us, this wouldn't be possible. And that this has also been a journey from even before we reached this team and that this award is not just for us, but the girls that came before us who built this legacy that we are continuing to build. I just wanted to say thank you to all of our parents and thank you all of you for showing up in the background recording these awkward speeches. I just want to say thank you to all of you guys for showing up for each and every one of our girls and we truly appreciate all of the effort, time, money and gas that you put into us and just overall just think I think every single one of you in this room audience council members coaches and all of our girls for supporting us throughout this entire journey and yeah so great job for now for your underclassments now you got to repeat. So you got to work extra hard enough to in the next next year's day championship. So let's have a picture taking so we can line up in front of the council. Thank you. We're in a brief recess at this time for photos. you you you you you you All right. Vice Chair Onishi. Thank you, Chair. Okay. Good morning, everyone. Again. So as I mentioned earlier. So I don't know if like this is the first time I've ever been in the office. I'm not sure if I'm in the office. I'm not sure if I'm in the office. I'm not sure if I'm in the office. I'm not sure if I'm in the office. All right, Vice Chair Onishi, proceed. Thank you, Chair. Okay, good morning everyone again. So as I mentioned earlier, so I don't know if like this is the first time for Big Island or not, but in 2025, we had the girls winning the championship, but also we had the Camerna schools Hawaii boys also won the championship. So I don't know if, you know, that would like the first time ever happen on the big island, but it's awesome to me. If you're like with sports background like that, this is what you look at. You look at from when we're building them up, from when they're young and getting them to the high school level, and for them to get this acknowledgement of winning the state championship. And that's the goal that everybody, as a coach, you put that into mind. But also teaching them leadership and also stressing sportsmanship because you always want them to be respectful. So, you know, I just want to acknowledge, so this is the Kamehameha School Hawaii Boys, 2025 State Champions. Congratulations. So now I'll have coach in Nato to introduce all the players. And we'll be presenting their certificates. Hi, my name is coach Minato. And my first player is Mike Cachon. Tanoha Maskin. Kanoha Honda. Gabriel R. Quintello. Teller. Sorry. So, sender. William Henderson. Ryder Okamura. Landed Fukui. Oh, too fast I go. Okay. I'll slow down. Okay. Dexan Lee Veldes. Zander Ho-O-Pai. Everything Kuh Mu. Kali Cavalio. Ayopa Quintana. Ejen Ha-ah-ah-uh, Jack Henderson, Princeton Kumu, Kumu, Brady Gonzalez, Rieffeldes, Rice and Rispfeld Des. Raistane Rispicio. Hilo Palikou Roeback. Paokela Quinn-Gah. And Kingston Akuna, and Jacob Ayona, and my assistant, or Roy Henderson, and Diego Guthin Harris and our key manager Jason Nagata. Okay, so I guess coach has someone to say something on behalf of the team and come up. Come on, front. Come here, there's a red here. Yeah, here. You can go right here. Hi, I'm Everton. I just want to give a big shout out to County for hosting us and representing us. I want to say thank you to my team. This wouldn't be possible without them. And I want to give a shout out to Thurston, Kanoa and Kama, who are part of the back-lab of me on defense during the state finals. I want to say thank you to my coaches for being here with me through all four years. And a little message to the freshmen. A freshman and everyone below us is. Get the win next year. Thank you. Okay, do we have the team captains? Well, you guys have to go throughout. You folks have to control your other teammates, right? And making sure that everybody does what coach says, right? Coach can get on you guys, right? So if you have anything to say? Oh, don't have anything no no no I kind of summed it up for also okay okay so we just on behalf of the county council we want to just congratulate congratulate all you guys on achieving that highest honor and also for those underclassmen like I mentioned to the growth now you guys gotta work extra harder because now you gotta repeat okay so you guys can come back make sure in front of us again so congratulations and thank you so we'll take a photo so all of the tall ones on the front I'll end up back and then the shorter ones in. All right, we're in one last recess for photos this morning. Mahalo for everyone's patience. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going good things happening in community that we wanted to recognize this morning. And before we proceed one last recognition by councilmember Kirkowitz. Thank you. Our county building is hosting so many OPO today. We have students visiting from Coyne Poco Elementary, Pohoa Elementary, Pohoa High and Intermediate. We invite schools in on a regular basis to check out council meetings. Is it with various departments? So they have a better relationship with local government and hopefully have an interest in interning here and working here in the future. Just want to shout out Christopher Hodes for coordinating all of these schools and their visit. We love seeing students here. Thank you chair for that. Come on, Hallow Councilmember Kirkowitz. With that, we will proceed to statements from the public on agenda items today. Thank you chair. With that I want to confirm that we do have testifiers in a couple of your remote sites. One in Kohala, a couple in Kona and of course here in the Heelow Chamber. So what we'll do is we'll start with our testifier in Kohala. Amy, if you could please. Thank you, Rene. So today we have a hope. Hello, Halaani. Sher Mel. She is testifying on Resolution 109. Hope you'll have three minutes if you could restate your name to the record,. Hello, Alana and Hope. Hi, Council. Here on behalf of the older Americans Award Luncheon that we had last year, which was absolutely fabulous. Thank you for taking some of our tax dollars and helping us seniors get there and enjoy a discounted amount. We pay $25 each. It's kind of cool. Again, thank you for considering for us old timers, especially up here in North Cahalla. God bless Hawaii name. Thank you, fear test. Thank you so much to our testifier there. Scott, if you could start us with your first two testifiers in Cognitive, then we'll do two testifiers via Zoom and then two here in the Heelow Chamber before repeating that cycle. So Scott, take it away, please. Thank you, Rade. First up today, we have Roy Valera in support of Resolution 11625. Also 11025. Roy, go ahead and stationate for the record and proceed. Thank you. Good morning council members my name is Roy Valera and I appear today on behalf of or in support of resolution 110-25. I appear as the president of Dhear Hawaii which is a statewide organization that was formed to support Deir police officers throughout the state on every island. In regards to this resolution, Mahalo to Councilmember Kagiwata for providing support in funding for our Deir Day celebration, which will be held in East Hawaii in May of this year with roughly 800 student participants. The purpose of this event is to recognize the graduates of the dare program, which is a 10 week program, and to further support the students in their choices to make to remain drug free and to continue making good decisions for the rest of their lives. I would like to mention that April 17th, 2025, is National Dare Day and that we will be celebrating 42 years of the Dare program. Here in Hawaii, this year, we are celebrating 40 years of the Dare program in this state of Hawaii. The next item I'd like to speak about is resolution 116-25. And this is in regards to supporting or providing funds for some equipment for KKEID and Big Mahalo to Councilmember Galimba. This equipment will be used for our community policing program in the Co-U district, as well as Island-wide. These funds are necessary to continue to establish strong relationships between the police department, our community members, and our Kiki. Thank you. Thank you, Roy Next up is Armando Rodriguez to call the 74-23 Armando Goi station name for the record. Good morning my name is Armando Grovigas. One of the founders of a Los Hallotinos and the current president. This organization was you know started to support our Latino community here on the big island. You know I want to thank council the mayor's office and state representatives and some of our Hawaii federal representatives who've been very supportive of us you know during this hard times with immigration ice rates. This agreement between Hawaii police and ICE was entered back in 2002 so you know if I'm correct you know we don't want to bash council you know they've been trying their best to amend some of the things that you you know, they see important and this agreement. And, you know, we're here to work with them. You know, we're not here to fight, you know, and, you know, like I said, they've been very supportive of us. And, you know, they shared their personal numbers. You know, they had an open door policy, you know, to, you know, invite us to come and speak to them if we have problems. And I'm just this statement I'm referring to ICE. We've been threatened by them. And an empire built on injustice and oppression is bound to collapse. Please don't abuse your powers, because one day you're going to be accountable for your mistreatment. And this country, even cats and dogs have rights. We immigrants less than a cat and dog. Thank you. Thank you, Armando. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next two testifiers are here in the Hilo Chamber. First of which is Cory Harden to be followed by Linda Williams, both testifying on Resolution 74. Cory, when you begin, you can hit that button at the base of the mic with the green button. There you go. And you'll have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself. Yeah. Good morning. Cory Harden speaking on Resolution 74. Immigrants who are in the U.S. legally are being taken away by people dressed in civilian clothes. The migrants are taken to overcrowded detention centers in remote areas, given limited food and water, made the sleep on floors and denied medical care. at least three people died in ice custody in the first month of Trump's term. I wonder if it's possible to postpone a vote on this till Court's rule on some of the legal challenges to Trump's immigration actions and perhaps congressional support for Trump diminishes in the face of public outrage. I don't know the best course of action. I'll just offer comments on what could happen with approval and without approval of this resolution. Without approval, unfortunately, federal agents may take matters into their own hands, coming to our county, and federal funding for the county could be cut in retaliation. With approval, police could ease the deportation process a bit, but also with approval, since Trump seems to be inviting lawsuits to force courts to rule on the legal limits of his power, so please may be asked to support illegal or in a kind of shady actions. With approval, community trust in the police will suffer, meaningless cooperation with police. Also, we could have changes in county administration and future officials may interpret the MOUs to the detriment of immigrants. And if we give in to the Trump agenda, he may just escalate. The resolution mitigation for effects of the MOU could just be ignored. It doesn't have force of law. approval form, Form 73001 said, please could arrest immigrants and please would have to follow the ice use of force policy, even if it is changed to Lord knows what. Form 73001 sites, 19 USC 1589A, that allows please to perform any other law enforcement duty that the Secretary of Treasury may designate and if Trump chooses the Secretary that to be devastating. It'll also suggest directive 214 which says police may not use body-worn cameras to record actions by non law enforcement persons persons, undercover operations, witness interviews, or specialized law enforcement techniques. So this could apply to people in civilian clothing with masks, taking immigrants away and much more. So thank you for your work on this very difficult issue. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier here in the Heelow Chamber is Linda Williams to be followed by Janice Palma-Glenni via Zoom. Linda, when you begin, you'll have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself. Hello, huh? My name is Linda Williams and I'm from District 2. I want to thank you all for being here today and I have to say I have to come more often. This is such an uplifting experience, all the positivity. today it's really inspiring. I also want to acknowledge the students here and the teachers who brought them and for you to allow them to be here. And to the students, I just want to say this is where the power is. These people have power. And so I didn't know when I was a high school student about local government. So these people have power to give money to projects, to fund projects, to what's developed, like this is where democracy happens, is here at the local level. So you can think galactic or you can think national, but this is where it's happening. So thank you to the teachers who brought the here because this I didn't even know this till recently and You can go to your representatives here and they will help you for Whatever thing you need and there's a lot of people here who are getting funding for their events their festivals I just this is just the best thing ever is participating at the local level so I really like you. Okay, I'm here to ask you to please reject Resolution 74. As a lifetime educator and college professors, there's all kinds of reasons not to do this, but number one is to support the police department because this will be, this will be, you know, this will tap into the resources. This is not their job to work for the federal government. But most importantly, what I'm concerned about is how the Rubio is taking student legal visas and canceling them because the students went to a protest or because the student went to, you know, wrote a letter or signed a petition. That's not acceptable. We don't even know if it's legal. And then you have people showing up in planes clothes with hoods and masks grabbing people off the street. We've all seen this. It's terrifying. Do we want that to happen in Hawaii because students went to a protest or because students showed up as counsel here or because students went to Moniquea and stood to protect the INA. No. So please, do not empower the mayor to allow a federal ICE to come in and infiltrate the police department. They're busy enough already and I really appreciate you. That's it. 30 so. No, hello everybody. Aloha. Thank you so much for your testimony. At this time, chair, your next testifier is Janice Paul McGlennie to be followed by Chuck Flaherty. Both testifying on Resolution 74. Janice, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Good morning. I'm Janice Paul McGlennie. I just I just want to say that's a hard act to follow. That was fantastic. I'm speaking to Resolution 74. It's clear that the federal agencies, when you... I'm a glenny. I just want to say that's a hard act to follow. That was fantastic. I'm speaking to Resolution 74. It's clear that the federal agencies, when normally consider trustworthy, no longer are, if they even exist. Until January 20th, ICE was entrusted with work that was deemed necessary to protect our borders and the immigration process. But even under past administrations, the boundaries of immigration law enforcement have often been blurry. Since January that agency and others have been changed unassailably for the worst and in ways that can and already are negatively affecting our island. It's not clear what the intentions of this resolution are. It feels naggingly like a forced attempt to bring our state in line with the inhumane goals of the Trump administration. There have been changes made to it. They may help adhere to the tenets of democratic process, but it doesn't seem that there's clarity even with those changes. Norm, I assure that most people in the council understand or even see a need for this rezo. In normal circumstances, law enforcement agencies from county to federal would be expected to cooperate in order to be of mutual benefit to the work of those agencies, the goals of which are to serve the public interest. To do that requires transparency and clarity for everyone from the public to the top levels of government. To imagine that the current federal administration has any of the same goals, intentions, principles and integrity based upon democratic principles is baseless. It's time for Democrats, independence, rational Republicans, and everyone in between to join forces to fight the darkest intentions of the darkest administration in the history of our nation. If there is a need to synchronize enforcement agencies for reasons that serve local interests, but which may teeter on the infringement of our basic rights. Then let's create a community task force that brings all stakeholders together to carefully figure out what's needed to attain mutual, fair, and understandable law enforcement goals and outcomes. Until that time, I ask the council members please kill Resolution 74 and any others that may co-to to the Trump Administration's oligarchyarchy driven agenda. Mahalo. Thank you for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier is Chuck Flarity. And then we'll go back to Kona for our next two test to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee to ask the committee it. The immigration law enforcement is a federal, not a local responsibility. There are federal agencies that are created and funded by Congress to ensure this federal responsibility is fulfilled. It's not appropriate for local police departments to enter into MOUs that transfer the cost and resource requirements for federal immigration law enforcement upon county taxpayers and the agencies they fund such as our local police department. The the I guess memory number one, I guess you would call it in which it's asking that there be designation of police officers as customs officials. It requires our police department to provide a secured space for their facilities and agents and equipment at no cost to them. It requires the police department to cooperate with any federal investigation to the MOU, to the full extent of its available powers. So that's without respect to any undue burden. This may place upon our local police department resources and personnel. And it requires the designated officers to receive legal guidance from the ICE office of the principal legal advisor and the US Attorney General's office at a time when there is an increasing number of lawsuits against Department of Homeland Security and federal court findings that the Department of Homeland Security has committed illegal and unconstitutional actions without fear of prosecution from the US Attorney General's office. In addition, as previous testifier pointed out, body cams will not be used. And I think it's really critically important to understand that federal agents have not only qualified immunity, but they also have de facto absolute immunity. 30 seconds please. 30 seconds. They are doubly insulated from constitutional accountability. And this is causing an increasing erosion of constitutional accountability because court treats their members, would be police treating our police officers as federal workers. And finally, just I'd like to point out that this is these ML user being introduced nationwide to cities and towns. And I think it's in preparation for a massive effort to follow through with. Thank you Chuck. Unfortunately, the time is up so we'll have to move on. Thank you for your testimony. Scott, if you could transition to your testifiers and corner please. Thank you, rally. Our next two testifiers, Victoria Magna. To be followed by D-DRAW, Roni, both in opposition of Resolution 745, Victoria, go ahead and state your name for the record to proceed. Good morning. My name is Victoria Malania, and I am here in opposition of Resolution 74. I'm the daughter of once undocumented parents. And so I am here to speak on the fear that these children and these families are experiencing today. The proposal will force HPD into immigration enforcement, creating more fear and distress in our communities. When individuals are detained, their information is already collected. So the claim that people are evading the system is simply and true. I experienced firsthand the fear of getting into contact with police enforcement as a child and the states are very high for these immigrant families. Even a simple traffic ticket, like already puts the question of will my father or mother get deported. They already go through this fear and the rhetoric around drug and criminality and trafficking always used in this conversation of this immigrant community is very, it fuels hate. So I just want to add that like we've seen in other states, such as Arizona, when local law enforcement agrees to collaborate with ICE, it leads to racial profiling and unfair targeting based on the appearance of people and language. So deputizing local officers as federal immigration diverts these limited resources away from crime prevention because people are fearful to report crime and to act as witnesses for crime. So these people will be pushed further into the shadows. It does not make our communities safer. And I just, I hope that you hear these pleas today and that you use your power for something good. So thank you so much for your time today. Thank you, Victoria. Did you drag, go ahead and state your name for the record and proceed you have three minutes. My name is Deer Turroney. Please vote no to any I-S-M-O-U regardless of amendments. I live in Hulu, Loh and Los Angeles. I'm an attorney Harvard Lawy D7. Immigration and Civil Rights activist. I was an LA County prosecutor. I volunteer in our southern border states. In migrant shelters, community organizations, witness, witness immigration hearings visit ice prisons, protest, and educate. In the borderlands, citizens' neighborhoods are surveilled and studied with checkpoints with an I-S-M-O-U. R's will be too. Because ice says that neither states, local governments, Congress, nor the judicial branch can constrain them. Yesterday in court, ice said it can deport innocent people and no one can force them to bring them home or stop. Ice's whole history has been to epitually violate laws and destroy norms to expand their power. For example, ICE regularly generates fake warrants to trick people into opening their doors. This MOU is just another fake ICE paper to trick us into surrendering our freedom and rights. ICE won't honor its limits and they'll use it to grab more power. The framing we better give in or worse will be policies incorrect. Already made nine officials evicted our volcano warning and study laboratory, Rose cut funds for schools, universities, agriculture, environmental protections, restorations, cultural practices, and small businesses. So saying yes to this MOU will not save us from the pre-existing ongoing and escalating savagery. As an ICE, an ICE MOU will increase crime. As a prosecutor, I saw how the protection of our communities from common criminals, the bread and butter of the local law enforcement was harmed by our cooperation with immigration officers. Witnesses and victims, both citizen and undocumented, told me they could not cooperate because that would cause the deportation of family friends and neighbors. And the bad guys knew they could build their cried empires in these communities because no one would turn them in. This MOU places ice literally inside local facilities to locals, there'll be no difference between ice and HPD. So recruitment of HPD officers will become harder when their scene is our colonizers and forcers. They're hand in hand with those who desk create cultural sites for the telescope and leases for bombing, poison, water, and land. Armed Capuna students and farmers hand in hand with those who hunt and disappear our neighbors. Would the kind of man you all honored earlier today become one of these people, I think not. ICE will collapse our economy. Almost 50% more people are arrested by ICE than Border Patrol. That means more people are deported from the interior of our country than our borders. We already have a serious labor shortage here, but ICE, expanding through HPD deportations will soar and whole industries will collapse. Agriculture, construction, healthcare, almost half of recent deportees lacked criminal records. Ice now deports legal permanent residents, people married to US citizens who are here, legally people here on legal work and student visas. Plus, many citizens who love these people will leave with them. Our economy cannot survive ice. 80% of ICE prisons are for profit. The more people ICE labels as criminals, the more their corporate partners profit. HPD will be compelled to betray us for the profit of the mainland economy. So make ICE work to conquer us, be an uncooperative target, strengthen the resistance and resilience of our O'Hana, so that we can say no to ICE, MOU, any ICE, MOU, regardless of amendments. Thank you, Mahalo. Thank you, Jager. Thank you so much. Chair, your next two testifiers are here in the Heelow Chamber. William McGregor, testifying on Resolution 74 to be followed by Babet Moral. William, when you begin, you'll have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself. You can turn the mic on by hitting the green button at the base. There you go. I'm William McRagger and I'll get right down to it. SB 5. three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself, you could turn the mic on by hitting the green button at the base. There you go. I'm William McRagger, and I'll get right down to it. SB 557, which establishes the Y as a sanctuary state, is, it's a meaningless piece of legislation. It does nothing to serve the communities and the people of Y. We're here today because we all know that the federal government has the ultimate authority over immigration policy. In me sitting here and you listening and these people testifying is meaningless because this is a formality. It is not democracy. You have to do what you have to do. You have no choice in the matter. You have to do it. I'm concerned of when this happens, what we do going forward. Because a lot of people are going to be hurt. You're going to have family separated. There's going to be children. You all have to come up with a plan to decide what you're going to do with these people. We were talking about mental health for this wonderful officer, brave officer that was sitting here. Can you imagine when the HPD has to go into their own communities, into their own households, and affect their families and start taking people out? We have an entire community of indigenous, glorious, wonderful people that are here on this island that don't accept the federal government who gather together and may or may not have the proper idea because they don't believe in it. What are we going to do to protect those people, especially? And it's like ISIS's dream. It's like the current administration's dream because they don't have the proper identification. They're brown, they can make an excellent photo when they're putting them on a plane, sending them off somewhere to parts unknown where they're at least 3,000 miles or maybe more from their friends, from representation, from their communities, and from their families. So all I can say, because I know what you must do here today. I understand what you must do here today. But I just ask that each individual member that I'm looking at right now, when they have to cast that vote, they offer their dissent and discuss for having to do so. Thank you. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier is Babet Moral. Testifying on Resolution 117 to be followed by Liza Ryan Gil via Zoom. Babet, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Oh, you turned off the mic. You'll have to turn it back on. Thank you. My name is Babette Morrow and I'm here to support Resolution 117-25. Along with Nadine Ebert, if it's okay if she comes up here because we're kind of a joint team. And actually I follow her so she should go first. At this time we'll take Nadine's testimony if it's okay with you, then we'll take Babid after and then we'll continue with our other testifiers. Nadine, if you could just reintroduce yourself as you begin, please. Thank you. My name is Nadine Ebert and I'm from Caou and I'm in support of Resolution 117-25. This is a resolution to help our community put on a summer fun fest and Independence Day celebration. I really feel like that this is an important thing for a community. It builds our community because we invite everyone to be a part. And we can all share a whole day of fun just together. And it's, so I feel like it's a building thing in a time when we are so divided sometimes. The sense of being a part is the parade. We ask everybody in the community to be in our parade and we often have floats from our baseball teams to our various churches to my husband drives a fire truck key puts the fire truck in and we do various things so this is again just again building something together. The day also provides a very good day a healthy day outside for the cakey. We set up inflatables for the water slides in various things. We also serve hot dogs, watermelon and shavies. Okay, K is very much known for hot dog shavies and watermelon. And this is for the cakey. But then for the seniors we bring them together and we have a bingo where as prices they receive household items we decided as seniors all of us have lots of stuff. So we try to provide stuff that might be used up and not just more stuff. But the seniors really enjoy this. We have a nice luncheon. This year I think we're planning pull pork barbecue sandwiches. Probably coleslaw, watermelon, and ice cream sundae. 30 seconds please. And to sum up, we are remote. And so we don't have too many events like this that bring the whole community together. And we feel like that this is a very important event. Thank you. Thank you so much. And at this time, Babid, if you'd like to start your testimony, if you could just reintroduce yourself. Yes. Good morning, Babid. Maro, thank you, Council, for giving us the opportunity to come here today. And especially, Michelle, who is always so helpful to O'Cow, as well as the whole COTU community. Thank you very much. Just to add onto what Nadine said, this is only one event that OKK has for the community during the year. We serve the community in many ways and anytime we can get some little extra help financially is very much appreciated. We do a lot of fundraisers, we get donations, but we have a cakey fishing day in January that brings the families together. We also have a very well-needed Veterans Day celebration in November, the only one that's down at the south end of the island. We have scholarships for the local kids to be able to go to college with a little bit of our support. So anything that anybody can do to help, and excuse me, having this extra money from council is very much appreciated, so Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifiers are via Zoom, Liza Ryan Gill to be followed by Anna Marie Smith, both testifying on Resolution 74. Liza, when you're ready to go, if you could just unmute yourself and reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Aloha Chair, Vice Chair and members of the committee, Liza Ryan Gill, for the Hawaii Coalition for Immigrant Rights. We represent about 30 immigrants serving and led organizations across the Pai'ina. And we've also been advocating on this MOU with DHS as well for Hawaii County as well as looking at the relationships across Hawaii and various counties. We're still in strong opposition to this MOU, but we really appreciate the fact that the Council has allowed so much substantive conversation and the role that the chief has played in coming forward and working to understand and provide better guardrails on the MOU. I think what I'm hearing today and looking at all the substantive positionitional testimony on this MOU is just a good reminder for the council that there's while Homeland Security investigation, which is what this MOU pertains to has previously been typically engaged in has a different kool-ion from usually from removal. They are now very much engaged in that process of removing folks from from Hawaii Island. And as we see the federal government continuing to change what their prerogatives are and and blow through constitutional protectors protections for green card holders. It does mean that the council has a higher standard that they need to hold these MOUs to to make sure that the constitutional rights of every individual in Hawaii and especially on Hawaii Island are observed. So we'll be on here to answer any other questions if council has some. But again, I think in light of all of the incidences that we have been seeing, it behooves us to be very, very thoughtful in what kind of, in what we allow in our counties and as well as what role the council is gonna continue to play to make sure that everyone's rights are respected. Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier is Anna Marie Smith before we go back to our testifiers in Kona. Anna, whenever you're ready, you'll have three minutes if you could just unmute and reintroduce yourself as you begin. Hi, my name is Anna Marie Smith and I'm a resident of Kailua, Kona. I am coming to testify in opposition of Resolution 74. I come with over eight years experience as a social worker with unaccompanied children. I know that it has been brought up that entering into this MOU would be to the benefit of child welfare and especially unaccompanied children. But based on my personal experience working in this field, that is untrue. When HSI, and I'm sorry, get emotional when I talk about this, but when I was working in Arizona, and we had a child who was being human trafficked, HSI put them in handcuffs and put them in a van and took them into a room to be interviewed. They were treated as criminals when they were the victims of human trafficking. And that was previous, and that was almost eight years ago now. I have heard the screams of family separation when children are in detention centers. And that is what is going to happen if you would agree to this. You have an opportunity here to not be a part of it. While we know that the federal government has their own responsibilities and we'll do what they do, you have an opportunity here to say that Hawaii County police will not be a part of that. Currently, the administration has taken away funding for representation for unaccompanied children. They are not allowing unaccompanied children to be sponsored by someone who is undocumented. They must submit a DNA sample in order to be released. So if a site redotains a child, they will be put back into these facilities where they will be held until someone can submit a DNA test and someone has status. On their 18th birthday, they're being sent to immigration detention, which is jail, which I have been to in Arizona, which is in Oahu, but is much worse in states like Arizona and Louisiana, where people are being spent, sent currently. This is the reality of what will happen if we agree to HPD having HSI officers. Currently also the federal government is cutting resources to Hawaii County and this they're asking us to supply them resources while other resources are being cut. I don't see how that makes sense for us to provide them more resources resources resources without also being provided more. Again, I would ask you to please not agree to this resolution. I would ask you to please not agree to this resolution. I would ask you that do you want this on your conscience? Do you want to be haunted by the screams of children separated by the mothers screaming for their children? Because that is what's going to happen here. Thank you. Thank you so much for your testimony. Scott, if we could take your next two testifiers in Kona, please. Thank you, rally. Next two testifiers here in Kona, Eric Paul. To be followed by Elizabeth Dunn, both in opposition of 7.4-25. Eric, go ahead, state your name for the record. We'll see you at three minutes., I've count some members. My name is Eric Paul. I am a pastor and serve currently as a coordinator for justice and compassion for the Church of the Nazarene. I'm also the executive director of West Hawaii Mediation Center, a local nonprofit that helps people resolve conflict. I'm testifying today to object to the MOU in regards to immigration and customs enforcement. I've made the work of peace building my life's passion and do this both locally and globally. I've led conflict assessments for faith communities in Ukraine, worked with local leaders in this a hell region resisting Islamic extremism and trained leaders from Guatemala and Panama and peace building practices. I share this simply to note that my view of the world is shaped and aimed toward peace and justice. This MOU as written works against the principles of both peace and justice. It spreads anxiety and fear, lens support to the federal administration's unconstitutional and immoral abuse of our immigrant neighbors. Our current federal administration is scripting a narrative that the way it wants to build our nation's security depends on the insecurity of its own communities. This MOU enacts that drama on a local level and ought to be resistant. So I ask you, our local government, to not succumb to the pressures of outside federal forces. Mahalo for your time. Thank you, Elizabeth. What's your name for the record and proceed with three minutes? Thank you and good morning, Chair Naba and council. My name is Elizabeth Dunn and I also oppose a resolution 74-25. The pastor is way more eloquent than I'm going to be about this, but I think it hits sort of on the emotional level of what this resolution intends to do. And I'm looking at it in a couple of different levels. I find that the language and resolution 74-25 is incredibly vague. It says that it will facilitate HPD's ability to serve and protect the county of Hawaii through cooperative collaboration to keep our community safe and provide for the exchange of necessary information with outside agencies. As this council knows, I have been in the public sector. I've been here many times last year, testifying against a project. This kind of a statement is a mission statement. It doesn't say anything specifically. It doesn't indicate any kind of evidence that HBD has been not been able to do anything in working with any sort of state or national agencies having to do remotely with immigration. I think most of us could say and I will definitely say if somebody has a violent offender, I think there is every right to take that person out of our nation. But people who come in as immigrants, undocumented workers and of a different race, they seem to be automatically targeted for all kinds of removal approaches. Immigration is an issue that needs to be solved nationally and not through a resolution like this where the public policy is questionable. I also find it interesting that some national business groups have started to tell Congress that the H2BVs are still need to be continued to be issued. We know that immigrants work in very difficult industries. They are in slaughterhouses in the Midwest. They are picking our fruits and vegetables in the Central Valley and on our islands to remove these people from our workforce. It's going to impact us on that additional level. I find with some great interest in humor that Project 2025 says to invest in automation for work that requires field labor. I don't know how that is supposed to happen. I'm not happy with the information in Appendix A, excuse me, Zibadeh that talks about embedding HSI special agents in the Hawaii Police Department and designation of certain employees in the Hawaii Police Department as custom officers. That is not their main function and should not be. I would ask that the council not support this. I don't believe there's information to really indicate that this is necessary. We should not be enacting the cruel policies of our nation and I will conclude with a quote that is attributed to George Santiana. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Thank you. Thank you, Elizabeth. Thank you. Chair, your next two testifiers are here in the Heelow Chamber, Patti Cook, testifying on Resolution 74 to be followed by Faye Tonkini. Patti, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Good morning. Patti Cook from Waimea. I really appreciate you having time to hear from us. I I feel like I've seen you all way too often on this issue and I'm here to rang about it again. Contrary to the testimony that I submitted, if I had my way we would not be acting, we would not be approving this resolution. It should not be enacted. I do appreciate the work that's been done to try to amend the resolution in the memo that was dated March 31st. I wanted to quickly comment on it specifically that, LOU, the first of the three should absolutely not be enabled. Number two is item three in the memo on the 31st ought to be adopted if in fact action is taken on this resolution. And number three would be that we amend the resolution further to incorporate a requirement that if in fact the resolution is approved. Any officers in station in Hawaii County facilities be required within four to six months to be relocated outside of County facilities so that they're not there appearing to if not in fact creating a sense of collusion that damages our County police presence and trust. Trust is a huge issue. I think you've heard a lot of comments today about what's happening locally and nationally. These are difficult different times. And it requires you as council members to actually, I think, take a very hard position about what do we want for our community. The reality is that this is about removal. Liza Ryan-Gill hit it right on the head. We have people in fear. Many of them are our families and friends. They are neighbors, their employees. We need them here. They have every right to be here. And so I really ask you if you can say no, if you have to adopt something, please amend it as proposed. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier is Faye Tahan Keni. Testifying on resolution 95. Faye Tahan, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Oh, sorry, you'll have to turn the mic back. There you go. Okay, Aloha and good morning, county council. I also want to just add comment on Resolution 74 if I can. Just want to just add comment on Resolution 74 if I can. I just want to echo the sentiments already expressed here today. This morning very important that we respect the basic human rights, constitutional rights and the focus our local police force attention on local issues if we can. So I am also here today to testify on resolution 95-25, the purchase of Kavai Nuei Makai. If possible, I would love that to move forward. This is a beautiful Malcolm Makai corridor, an incredible resource for our county and state as a just a natural treasure for native species as well as our local community. It has the potential to be an incredible community driven space towards food production and both on the agricultural benefits as well as the fishing and ocean access. So along the Helo-Hama-Kua Coast there are very few ocean entries, sites, and we need to protect each and every one if we can. I just wanted to touch upon the forestry potential of this parcel, as that has been kind of questioned with regards to its capacity to be harvested if it is a punk purchase. And we've had expression of interest by Professor Norman Aroncon of the UH AG Forestry and Natural Resource Management, as well as Professor E. King Lee, who were interested in establishing a field lab if it did end up becoming a suitable accounting property, as well as in the showing of this property, the realtor had interest from the Kanaka Ole Foundation as well as UH Manoa Hydrology Department. There's just a lot of different uses and interested parties in this parcel and for the forestry part of the equation is an interesting thing that we'll have to work through. that if for so many reasons it's valuable for so many people, so really want to encourage you to support that resolution and very much appreciate this opportunity for the community. Thank you. Thank you so much for your testimony and with that, Scott, can you close us out with your final testifiers in Kona? Thank you, Raleigh. Thank you. Our last two testifiers here are Janet and Peter Matlow, both in opposition of Resolution 74025. Janet, go ahead and state your name for the Racken and Proceed. You'll have three minutes. Thank you. Thank you. Allah I am Janet Malka, a resident of Calilcona. In my written testimony, I gave you my credentials and experience in working with undocumented minors, law enforcement and unfortunately, I's along with the template of another county for law enforcement policy wind dealing with ice. So I won't repeat those here. I would though like to share with you the words of police chiefs and sheriffs across the United States expressing their concerns regarding ice collaborations. Yolo County, California, sheriff, Thomas Lopez. My job is the sheriff is to protect everyone in this county, no matter whether you're a legal citizen or not. Santa Fe, in Mexico, police chief, Pau Joy. Whatever happens around the country, whoever is president, you are our community. We are your officers. It is a fundamental human right that you feel safe in your home, regardless of where you are from. Davis, California chief, Todd Henry. If people are concerned that their local law enforcement is engaging with immigration or immigration enforcement, we're going to lose that trust and we're not going to be effective. Boston Police Department Commissioner Michael Cox, community policing is about building trust. We worry that there will be less people communicating with us. People are afraid to come forward. That's why we say your immigration status is not relevant when it comes to public safety. West Sacramento, California Police, Cheese, Robert Strange. Immigrants often fear approaching police officers when there are victims of and witnesses to crimes when local police are entangled with federal immigration enforcement. Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara. If people are not willing to call us and tell us what's going on, tell us they've been victimized, cooperated with witnesses, all of that leads to a situation that makes the potential for everyone in the city to be victimized much worse. Harold Medina, police chief in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and president of the Major City's Chiefs Association. Trust between a community and law enforcement is what makes the difference in convincing people that local law police, local police are there to help them. Even Republican Karen and Donna Q, Canyon County Idaho Sheriff and President of the National Sheriff's Association, who has gone record saying he will cooperate with ICE, acknowledged holding detainees for ICE, could damage public trust and law enforcement saying, there's been this spike of apprehension. 30 seconds. Fear, that is a steep hurdle that law enforcement is facing. Today, you honored an officer who has our community's trust. Please do not undermine his trust. Do not undermine any of our officers' trust. Please do not sign any agreement, any MOU with ICE. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Janet. Peter, go ahead, state your name for the record. Hello, council members. My name is Peter Moutlock. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Janet. Peter, go ahead, state your name for the record. First. Hello, council members. My name is Peter Matlock. Thank you for all you do for the community. It is really difficult for me to add to all the excellent testimony given so far. I do encourage you to not mix federal and county responsibilities. I encourage you to oppose this resolution. It is unnecessary. It is inappropriate. It is deleterious to our community. This camel sure seems to have a case of rabies do not let its nose under our tent. What do we know about ICE? We know they are arresting, holding, and deporting people who are legally here. In some of these cases, it's because these people have voiced opinions that the Trump administration does not like, and with which they disagree. A little bit of a first amendment issue there. In other cases, it appears that this is simply a show of domination. We know this that they've deported a green card holder, Mamoud Kalea. We know that they have deported somebody, or they are, not deported, I'm sorry. They are currently holding with a threat of deportation, a green card holder. Same with Ramesa Oztork, who was basically kidnapped. She has a legitimate student visa. And we know from the case of Rodrigo Garcia, he has legally protected status, and they knowingly ignored a court order that enabled him to stay here and prohibited him from being sent to the country where he is sent. And now they are using cynical means to say, oopsie, we didn't really have any. It was really okay and that they are somehow impotent to bring him back. What they are doing is immoral. It is unjust. We are seeing from court pushback that is illegal. It is incompetent unless competence is now defined as dictatorial domination. And it completely shows a lack of due process. The administration is mocking due process in a recent interview on Fox News with Jessie Waters. Stephen Miller complained that critics have the quote unquote temerity to demand due process. His quote was, one at a time, each one, a million dollar trial in front of a communist judge to decide whether or not we can send them home. This is a warrant to all that we stand for. In the notice and warrant of apprehension and removal under the Alien Enemies Act, the distributed ICE agents, it says that if the agent subjectively determines a person to be a member of the Venezuelan gang, it says you are not entitled to a hearing, appeal or judicial review of this notice and warrant of apprehension and removal. Please do not be complicit in undermining our constitution, our rule of law, our sense of decency. Please do not be complicit in activities that destroy our communities and make them less safe as we have seen from other testimony. And finally, and this is a little bit of a self-collective self-interest economic viewpoint, we rely on all of our people here to make our economy work. We're already still recovering from or having troubles recovering from the pandemic. What will happen to our restaurant hospitality construction agricultural industries? These are valued members of our community. They're people seeking a decent, better life. Please do not be complicit in this, in this ice action. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. Our last testifier today is on to Harvey in opposition of Resolution 745. On to go ahead and state your name for the record. I can see three minutes. Good morning. My name is on to Harvey. I live in Holoa, Loha and I am testifying an opposition of Resolution 7425 about the intergovernmental agreements. Please don't be complicit. I think this is really different times. I'm 70 years old, I live through the Vietnam War and everything subsequently. I lived on the Mexican border and worked in the Ag fields in the Imperial Valley in the 70s. Please respect your constituents and protect our safety. It is not worth the paper it's printed on for any of these MOUs for all the reasons given by the other testifiers in opposition. We cannot assume and trust that any agreements and limits made will be kept. ISIS already demonstrating that they are not limiting their work to target undocumented aliens. They are detaining and incarcerating and using extraordinary rendition to remove suspects from the country, particularly chilling as they're claimed that they cannot bring them back even if they make a mistake. I am frightened if the council wants to embed ICE agents into our police department. It blurs the lines of authority and policy. There's a natural tendency to defer to higher authority, especially when local jurisdiction doesn't have much experience training and expertise. As the bigger agency, this sets up a slippery slope especially in the field with immense time pressures and ignoring civil rights protections and due process guardrails. Our HPD will be perceived as many ice, which will make them an aggressive outsider not to be trusted, even when we need to police, when we need police help ourselves. Additionally, it's a mistake if the county council believes that HPD can control, draw the line against anything that starts slipping out beyond what is acceptable. Please do not approve this resolution. Thank you for your dedication and hard work and for this opportunity to testify respectfully. Thank you. Thank you so much to all our testifiers, Chair, just confirming that we do not have any other testifiers here at the beginning of your meeting. Those are all the testifiers at this time. our cell, Mr. Roussellio. With that, are there any amendments to the minutes of the January 31st or February 5th council meeting? Seeing none, those minutes are deemed approved and will proceed to reports. Sorry, Testman for GIOAC 26 communication 176. 9-JAC 26O-A-C 26, communication 176 and nomination of Janet are Brit to the Public Access Open Space and Natural Resources Preservation Commission. Chair, motion to close by on communication 176 and confirm the nomination of Janet Brit to the punk. Move by Council Member Kimbo, seconded by Council Member Houston to approve the nomination of Janet Brit to the punk and the punk. Move by Council Member Kimbo. Seconded by Council Member Heustis to approve the nomination of Janet Britt to the punk any discussion. Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries eight eyes. One excuse. Council Member Villegas. The nomination of Janet Britt has been confirmed. Is there any additional testimony for resolution 74-25. Hearing none, resolution 74-25 authorizes the mayor to intergovernmental agreements with the federal and state partners to support their continued cooperation. With the Hawaii Police Department for the safety of the County of Hawaii, authorizes the police department to enter to enter two agreements with the Department of Homeland Security related to immigration and customs enforcement, and one agreement with the Federal Bureau of Investigations relating to the Safe Streets Task Force introduced by a customer Coguata by request. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 74-25. by Councilmember Kagiwata, seconded by Council Member Gellimba to approve resolution 74-25. Would you like to withdraw your motion? Yes, I would, sorry. All right, is there a motion to approve resolution noted on the record that Council Member Caguata's motion has been withdrawn. Can I get a motion to approve resolution 74-25? Is there a second? We'll back on Vice Chair Onishi seconded by Council member Cunnelli Eclan, further to approve resolution 74-25. Members discussion? We and deputy corporation council here today we'll start with you council member Kagiwata thank you I we have a amendment for this resolution that I'd like to bring forward. So motion to amend Resolution 74-25 with the contents of Communication 125.31. We'll be Council Member Kagiwata, seconded by Council Member Kania Lee, Klein, Phil, there to amend Resolution 74-25 with the contents of Communication, 1, 2, 5.31, calls a member of Kagiwata. Thank you, Chair. And thank you for working on this amendment. And with me, or I was working on it with you, I guess I'd say. So this amendment has a couple parts. The first one is just cleaning up the how the exhibits and the attachments are noted and attached. The second one is talking about if any changes to these agreements are made that the that HPD would bring them back before council for consideration. The third one is talking about how, well, I'll read it directly because this is a new whereas clause. whereas none the agreements contained an exhibit a authorized Hawaii Police Department of Officers or other personnel to take any enforcement action against administration violations of federal immigration law. Now therefore, the next one is just about, sorry, it was just a wording change once again about the exhibits. And then the final piece is just noting the three attachments, the three MOUs attached. So those are the, this is the amendment that we are asking to put in place. I will note that my, I'm working on this amendment doesn't necessarily mean I'm in favor of the resolution overall, but I wanted this to be in place in case it does pass. I don't know if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if you want to say anything about additional ad right now, anything for any of you. I would just, yeah, like to reach out to HPD here and just thank them for working on this amendment with me and just ask if, or just verify that all the pieces of this amendment are indeed something that you are okay with going forward. Good morning. Good morning. Chief Osweitz with the Hawaii Police Department. Yes absolutely. Thank you for the opportunity to work on the amendments moving forward. We can definitely work within the constraints of the amendments. Okay. And specifically speaking to the new whereas cloud clause where we are stating that we will not be doing enforcement actions having to do with federal immigration. Do you want to say anything more about that? We heard a lot of testimony. We've got a lot of community members who are very worried. Yes, they're clearly listening to all the testimony today. There are a lot of people in fear and I can completely understand that. And actually I think this amendment and something that we tried to express at the last committee meeting is an opportunity to kind of say it again to reinforce and concrete or solidify this into what our intent is. We have had task force officers with Homeland Security Investigations for several years. And into each of those previous MOUs was the same language that officers are not, officers who are TFOs, task force officers are not authorized to enforce any type of administrative violations of immigration law. In addition to the MOU, there's also this HSI 73001 form that's referenced in the MOU. And that form is kind of a, my understanding is it's kind of a one form for everybody form that that HSI and ICE use in any kind of task force arrangement with any kind of local police department. So there are certain authorities that are granted if boxes are checked there are certain restrictions that are in place if other boxes are checked so in all of our task force officers, Form 73-0-0-1s, and all of the future ones that we intend to do under the authority and the MOU, specifically with the guidance in the amendments, is to make sure that that box is checked. So that is kind of another layer of stating the same thing again. So in our base MO.N. based MOU that, you know, authorizes the form of 73-0-0-0-1, it says, we're not granted any authority to enforce administrative violations of immigration law. And then inside each individual officer's T.F.O. agreement, that box will, it has always been checked and will continue to be checked under the guidance of the resolution. The other thing that briefly, if I could address specifically because you mentioned some of the concerns that the testifiers brought up, one of the other limitations that has also been checked in all of our existing TFO forms and will continue to be checked in future TFO is that the TFOs are authorized to wear body cams and they use their body cams under the language in the forms is under the parent policy. So it's under our police department policy if they're equipped and they're using body cams then they're authorized even when they're engaging in task force operations to continue to use those body cams. So, while the federal agents themselves may or may not have them or be authorized to have them, it's specifically written into our contract into our individual range with each officer that they are authorized to use body cams under our existing policy. Okay. Thank you so much. I'll have some more questions when we get to the main motion, but I'll yield for now. Thank you on the amendment. Seeing no further discussion, all those in favor of amending resolution 74-25 with the contents of communication 1-25.31 please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries seven eyes to excuse council members Kimbo and Conania Lee Klein folder. The resolution has been amended and we're back to the main motion. Further discussion, council member Gallemba, the Vice Chair on Chair. Chair, further discussion with your car suspension of the rules. All right. Do we have a motion to suspend rule 23? Motion to suspend rule 23. Move by councilved by Council Member Caguara, seconded by Vice Chair Onishi, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries seven, ayes to excuse Council Members, Conelli, Klein, Felder and Kimbo. We are on the main motion, Council Member Gullembo. Thank you. I did want to note that I put an amendment in, but it covers part of what this year memo. So I do I need to withdraw? I could just not bring it up. You don't need to. Yes, yes. So on the main motion, or in the amendment, well now it's the main, both of them are together. I wanted to ask a few questions about the TFOs. We're learning new acronyms as we navigate this. I was wondering are these officers given special training before they become TFOs and Philoppeda F1. Yeah, so the TFO program, TFOs, short for task force officers. So these are officers that are Hawaii County Police Department officers. They went through our academy. They have the authority that any Hawaii County police officer would have. In addition, they've been selected by the department and nominated to a federal partner to become a task force officer. And basically, their role is to work with the line enforcement authorities and the other agency and collaborate on things, generally speaking, right? So our TFOs, specifically with Homeland Security, they have under the previous MOU and under their Form 730s or 1 they have certain authorities granted to them, they have certain restrictions placed on them, and they are also vetted by the federal agency. So to be a police officer we do a lot of local checks and we check all the places you've ever lived and you've ever worked. But when you're applying for a TFO position with a federal agency, it's a different level of security clearance. So the federal partner then kind of vets and background checks the person to make sure that they're, you know, not, they'll post some sort of security risk. And then once that is done, they get some training from the federal partner. And they also are sworn in and now have the authority to not only enforce Hawaii by statute and county code in Hawaii. But they also have the authority under our current TFO agreements to enforce Title 18 and Title 19 of the United States Code. So the United States Code is broken down into all these different sections. Title 18 and 19 deal with criminal offenses, drug trafficking, enterprise corruption. I don't think we have any public corruption authority outside of the Hawaii Vice Statutes. There are some robbery, violent crime, authority that these officers have. And basically, the benefit of the arrangement for the police department for the county is that these TFOs, again, generally speaking, these TFOs have now the authority to initiate criminal federal prosecutions. So they can call up the assistant U.S. attorney, they can confer a case, they can sign out an affidavit or a search warrant for a federal prosecution, and then when the federal system adopts the Department of Justice adopts these cases that they're working on, then those cases can be prosecuted in federal court. Because the officers are officers, with this federal TFO authority, have checked all the boxes that a federal officer would have checked in the same criminal case because they have the authority to kind of act on both sides of the system. And realistically speaking, you know, with the overcrowded situation in our state prisons, if we can take the worst of the worst off out of the state criminal justice system and into the federal criminal justice system, that especially title 18 and title 19 series crimes, we're talking about real, real punitive time and these folks actually being taken off of our island, either to FDC or to some sort of federal detention facility to serve out the any conviction time that they have for federal offenses. So there's a much bigger stick, so to speak, on the federal side of the criminal justice system than there is on the local side. So we use that strategically. We use it in certain situations and other situations, not but we pick and choose where we're going to use that federal authority based on where we feel the community is going to get the best bang for the buck, where we can make sure that the person, if convicted, is held accountable and responsible and segregated from the rest of society to protect the rest of the community. Thank you. I can completely understand how useful that would be in normal times, like recently. Yeah, I guess the next follow up question, about how many officers or officer hours do you generally, you know, previously per year? How much time? Our per year would be difficult. I can tell you that with under the HSI MOU, we have now, we have there are total of five officers who are task force officers. I think two are part time which is basically as needed. You know, there's some sort of federal criminal investigation going. They might devote a part of their work date to that and the rest of their work date to H. White County duties. And then the other three I understand are full time in that they are still working in Hawaii County. They're still working on Hawaii County Police Department investigations but they're looking at those investigations using the federal lens as opposed to the county lens. So while it would be very difficult for me to tell you how many hours that is I do know that when we have when they are extra expenses, like when the officers who are acting as a TFO and current overtime, then that overtime is reimbursed back to the county. So there is a bit of a, you know, kind of payback for that. Sorry, I don't have the exact number of hours, but two part time, three, full time, so M5 is where we are. Thanks. And so you're saying that over time, you get funding from the feds for that particular part of their expenses, but the other time, the regular time that they're working on this, we're paying them out of our county budget, isn't it? We are. And is there a special line item for those officers when they're working on federal things or non-federal? I think it's contained in our budget on the grant section for each of the federal partners that we work with. There's a Marshalls section, there's a Marshalls service line. There's probably an HSI line. That would be my guess as to where to look. Okay, so the grant money would come into the department as a whole and then sort of go into payroll as a whole. So it isn't like a direct hit from this grant to this particular officer when he's working on this particular. Correct. There are a lot of every police department except in Hawaii where all the same, but in the mainland are in different places. There are different rules about how many hours officers work and what type of premiums they earn, and whether overtime is double or 1 and 1 half and Sundays and holidays, and all these things, the rules change. So the local department administers to pay accordance with whatever their agreement is with the employer, the bargaining unit, and then we get reimbursement from the feds for that line item. Thank you very much. Well, the way up, the reason I'm asking this is sort of, um, try to think about ways that we could, if things, in sort of the dystopian, um, option arrives, potential levers to resist basically. And one, I noticed in the agreements that these MLUs are subject to basically our budget, you know, that seems to be in there. So I was just wondering how and we might be able to do that just and not doing it in a negative way to you. But you know, as long as things don't get that crazy, like sure. Yeah. So just kind of poking around in there. Yeah. And transparency in government at the county level is much, much different than transparency in the government at the federal level. And I think it's much better where we're sitting that I can talk to you about almost everything we do and explain to you why we do things, and why we don't do things, and how and when we communicate with the community about things that we're doing right now. So without putting myself too far out in the ledge, the one thing I do know is that the MOUs themselves are, there are escape clauses built into the MOU. So if we, the county decide, look, we're gonna withdraw from the MOU, then the party that signs the MOU, the mayor, or the chief says, look, we wanna withdraw in 30 days, and that's it, and the MOU is kind of coming to a close. As to the other strategies, I'm the benefit of you. Sorry. One of the testifiers brought up that, or a couple of them, that basically, you know, the federal, they have authority over everything. So even if we don't agree to this, they basically can, it could embed themselves anyway. Or could you talk to that about not- Sure. So don't- That's not true. Yeah, the MOU basically gives us their third three, right? Two of them have to do with task force officers, one with FBI, one with HSI, and the third one has to do with office space in one of our facilities. So the MOUs have to do with task force officers. If we decide, and the office space, and we go as well, if we decide we don't want to play, and we're not going to cooperate or participate in whatever, then we just stop participation. They don't in any way own or control or command our resources or our officers. They don't fall under the, maybe in a very narrow tactical situation, someone at the scene might be moving people around at a crime scene, but aside from that, they don't fall under the supervision or controller guidance of the federal department. I remain the appointing authority for the officers and as such, I as a chief and HR is all kind of overseeing that, control what they do and what they don't do. And if it came to a point where the county or the police chief or the mayor or the council disagrees with what the officers are doing, what the whole I police officers are doing, then I would hope that we address that concern through me as a chief, and then I handle it internally. And there's all kinds of backup, you know, like what I'm doing, then the mayor and the police commission, there's all kinds of levels of kind of checks and balances in that system. But kind of one of the nice things about the TFO system is we're not sending someone off somewhere to just work for another department and we don't know what's going on. They're here 95% of the time unless there's a TFO operation on Kauai or there's a fugitive on Maui and they get activated to go help with that kind of thing. But other than that they're here. They've fallen to our rules as well as the federal rules and ultimately at the end of the day I'm the one accountable for whether or not they're following the rules and whatever happens as a result of that. Thank you. Thank you. Vice-Chairon Ishin. I just wanted to kind of follow up on that because I had the same questions. I guess you heard the testimony we've been hearing, kind of like the same testimonies over and over. And they in their mind is thinking that the department is going to be really involved with all of these operations and you already mentioned from before what your role is how I count T right and basically you explain the situation that what happened in Kona and how the officers had to do certain things right which was required by the department but you folks didn't do the other parts of that arresting or transporting this people away. So for me, if you can again, to clarify of what your role as a Hawaii County Police Department is, but also maybe simplifying where people can understand. Right? And then after that, then I'll ask members in council to come up to make sure that we are following what we need to follow. Okay? So go ahead, Chief. Sure. So, you know, when any time we look at our role in the community, whether it's enforcing state law or, you know, assisting federal partners or enforcing federal law with a TFO or just responding to something that's not criminal in nature. We kind of have the same three. This is a dramatic oversimplification, but that's what you ask for. There's these three core principles. And the first is to make sure that people are safe. And that breaks down into a whole bunch of steps. Having officers not drive crazy on the way to a scene to make sure they're safe, that they can arrive, that they can provide care. When we get to a scene, the first thought is always who's injured at the scene? How can we provide assistance? Is it safe to go provide assistance? We need to address another threat first to make it safe. Like all those kinds of things surrounding keeping people safe is our number one primary goal. The second primary goal is to make sure that people's rights are upheld. And that's where being a police chief is a little bit different than a lot different, I guess, than being a county council person in that my own personal politics, I would hope you can't guess because because that means I'm doing my job right. If to take another non-immigration-based scenario, if there is a clinic that's performing abortions, and there are people that want to protest the right, what's going on inside, then the police show up, and we protect their rights. If the people at the abortion facility want to turn around and have a counter protest against the people who are protesting them then we show up and we make sure everyone's safe and we protect their rights. And we make sure that people's rights in terms of free speech and all the constitutional amendments constitutional rights, state constitutional rights are held. So keeping people safe, ensuring people's rights are protected. And then third thing is kind of the catch-all. I swore in eight new police officers yesterday and I pointed out to them the last couple lines of their of their oath was basically to perform any and all other duties evolving upon me so help me God and and so the way we interpret that is to provide whatever type of humanitarian support we can after After everyone is safe and we're making sure people's rights are, you know, appelled, then to do whatever else people in Hawaii County do. And it's not exclusively Hawaii County. Hawaii County certainly exemplifies it, right? That spirit of a little hotter, spirit of, you know, wanting to make sure that people are as comfortable as possible, given whatever is going on with the safety and the constitutional rights question. So in a very small nutshell that I've overexplained way too much just now, that's kind of our role. And you're also correct the Hawaii Police Department does not have, nor does the MOUs give us any type of immigration enforcement authority or responsibility. That immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility, several of the testifiers mentioned, and that's kind of why I think the MOU and the forms are phrased and the resolution are phrased the way that they are to make it really clear in all of these documents repeatedly, like that's not our role. Yes, we'll help and participate and we'll expect their participation in investigating robberies and drug trafficking organizations and violent felons and taking in hundreds of pounds of drugs every year and sending dozens and dozens of violent criminals to federal penitentiaries. But that particular part of another agency's authority doesn't evolve onto us. And I guess just to reassure the public, whether it testifiers, so if ICE is going to be doing, when, you know, whatever, like what they call that, like, arrest, so whatever. If they would ask the department to come and help assist with arresting these people? With the MOU agreement, that is not included, correct? No, the MOU doesn't cover that. And we would weigh any such request against those first three things that I talked to you about. Okay. If there's a safety concern, might we go to make sure that people are safe, perhaps? If there's a constitutional rights concern, might we go to make sure that the rights of the citizens and people in the Hawaii conny are, yes, maybe? And then the third would be if there's some way that we can provide additional protection outside of those first two realms, might we respond perhaps? But there certainly would be no responsibility on us to assist with that. Okay, if I move to you, co-pression component, I just wanted to give an example that I just had a meeting like maybe a week and a half ago and this is regards to the Department of Hawaiian Homeland's their property. So, and code it with them. So, enforcement is basically within the department, within their first menu, within also with the Sheriff's Office. How a county police helps assist them. They don't, isn't the first like responders, right? So there's a process that it goes through. So if you look at that scenario or that picture, that's what we're looking at, kind of like with the federal government. Okay, so I'm just hoping that we can understand the process, right? And so now, cool, if you can kind of clarify it, or go like a cent and a half at the risk of belaboring your point. The way we handle the HHL stuff with layers of tiered responsibility is similar. But in the case of the HHL police have the authority to respond first if the sheriff's not responding or absent a 911 call. We're going to go because that's our responsibility. So it's actually this HSI arrangement is actually further insulates us and further kind of sets up that that's that's not us right. Thank you for clarifying. No and I guess I was talking about two more about evictions right yeah but go ahead. Good morning Deputy Corporation Council Cody friends so specifically to that point if you look at the communication, 125.31, the specific MOU that has the attached form 73-001, the ICE farm, if you look at provisions number 3, the second full paragraph, the last sentence is italicized. HSI is not conveying the authority to enforce administrative violations of immigration law. There's just, I mean, no other way to understand or interpret that. That it speaks for itself, right? There is a lot of misunderstanding and concern in fear and as the chief already indicated, we understand why and where it's coming from. But it speaks for itself, right? It's very clear there is no intent to backdoor efforts to involve the police department in something that it legally cannot, even if it wanted to, and Nora has ever indicated that, but it explicitly prohibits that. So I think that speaks directly to your question. I'll count some member Onishi, and like the meeting that you just asked about in reference, I think that meeting provided a good opportunity for me as the police department's attorney, prosecutors attorney at that meeting to identify kind of the separation of powers and how it relates to even something as simple as a DHL lease issues, eviction issues, and arrest for trespass. Who's Kuliana is what? Yes, correct. And even at that level, at the state level, there are still separations of powers that limit what the police department, our police department can and should be doing or would do, even at that level. This is no different. Right, thank you. Yeah. Let's see. I had something else I was going to mention, but I'll come back again. But thank you very much for your explanations. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member, who's this? Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Chief. I just did Chief Corporation Council. Appreciate your time and attention to this and listen to Council Member Colleagues here, as well as the community and the public about this. We've kind of danced around this a little bit and I had the questions few chief last time about, you know, the benefits of this to the community. And I think, you know, speaking to Council member Glimba and your response, I don't see the benefits, but then speaking to Council member Oñishi, I see the benefits. So there are these pros and cons for this MOU. And I I think, you know, Councilmember Connolly, Connolly, Connolly, felt they were asked about a last time around about the financial transactional pieces in there. And Councilmember Gumball asked about that as well, where there's not really that much of a cost. You answered this question last time. There's not really much of a cost that's imparted across the county that we take on for the TFOs. But I don't really see any sort of transaction that's happening. I know the feds are cutting another funding. They're not giving funding for this sort of support from local government and local police force. So I'm not really seeing any support coming across in that direction. With the concerns from community in our workforce, I have to support what's happening in our community, the concerns and the fear that's in the community there, and I can't really, you know, step away from that. So I don't know, I don't really support in this here. The concerns that I have are what's happened at the federal level, and yes, we set up these guard rails and these rules. But there's a lot of overstepping of some of those rules happening nationwide. So that's where my concerns are. The question I had for you last time, and maybe you could address it again, is there is that escape clause in here. What in your mind do we see is this is something that we have to break away from. What would happen? Nationwide statewide that's kind of coming down that's put upon you upon upon officers that have to go out into the fields and in our tasks to do certain certain jobs that they're not supposed to be doing. This says they're not supposed to be doing certain things, right? But the federal government comes and says we need you to do these things for on our behalf. So I guess the answer boils down to we have a procedure in the police department. About unlawful or improper bias in public safety. I just want to read you one little paragraph and then this is directly addressed to your question. So section 4.1 of this procedure says, unlawful or improper bias in public safety, the application of police authority based on a common trait of a group, including, but is not limited to race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, age, gender, gender identity, or expression, sexual orientation, immigration status, disability, housing status, occupation, or language fluency. If we are asked to violate our own policies or our own procedures, to me that's a signal that the relationship isn't going to work. As long as our federal partners are willing to honor our authority to have our officers acting a certain way and in conformance with the policy that specifically prevents them from acting on the basis of immigration status or take a different example, specifically prevents them from acting on the basis of someone's sex or sexual identity or gender or race. We're're asked to do that, the answer is, first of all, no. And the second of all is maybe we need to look at dissolving the relationship if that's what they're going to ask us to do. I feel like the policy protection is based on constitutional protections and going back to, you know, that second nugget of making sure people's rights are protected. If we're asked to violate people's rights, constitutionally establish rights, and a lot of this goes to legal advice or what's in our policy to me, that's the breaking point. Thank you for that. At the behest of the commission, the police commission and the role, the seat you sit in, I mean, this would be kind of have the challenges that we have there are, you know, who steps into the seat sometimes too and who takes on it. So I really, you know, appreciate your thoughtfulness, your kindness and your respect that you have for the role. And then these documents are kind of uphold, guidelines and policies. With the transition of those roles, I can sometimes worry about who could sit in that seat and how they approach these sort of roles and regulations and what they tell their officers to kind of step forward and do. Yeah. And I also think about your police officers, and what it means for them to go into the community and kind of that relationship and the trust that they have with community members. So this is the fear that I carry with these sort of agreements about the relationship that, you know, and your officers so hardly kind of work towards and building that camaraderie and that partnership in community with their community police and officers and their relationship are building. So these things kind of create some fractures I see in that relationship that we're trying to gain and build. I'll leave it at that for now, Chair. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member V. Aguiz and then Council Member Cunnety. Thank you. First off, thank you. Chief Mosquitz and thank you, Court Council, Cody Friends, for your diligence and work on this. I really want to recognize that you have dug in and you are doing your due diligence and the arenas that are your expertise, which is handling these eyes and teeth and these MOUs. I also want to thank Councilmember Coguata for those amendments and appreciate your sentiment that they in no way indicate that you support these MOUs. I was doing some reading last night in this morning and something that struck out to me was a statement that authoritarianism arrives not with with tanks, but with legal memos, press events, and a scared public hoping that someone else will stop it. When I look at the history of Hawaii and the illegal overthrow of the sovereign nation, it baffles me how anyone could be expected to trust right now what's happening. The system of checks and balances is being disregarded at a federal level. This concept of ensuring that people's rights are up to held while that is your truest intention. Undocumented immigration into this country, it's my understanding is a misdemeanor, correct? Honestly, I don't even know. I could answer just about any question you have about each RS and most of them about the course. No worries. Sorry. In my research, it is a misdemeanor. However, people are being treated like felons. And it has been changed to be regarded as such. It's also my understanding that the two immigrants, the mother and her children and the father and the son who community school policing had to help be removed from school, neither of them had criminal records. So this false narrative that's being spread that ICE and HSI are only targeting criminals is a false narrative. I just am kind of baffled, I suppose, that, you know, HSI and ICE, as we've heard through experts that work in these fields, that we don't work on the front lines in, testified to the fact that HSI and ICE are not abiding by the law or the Constitution. So it seems insane to me to be dissecting the eyes and tees of this MOU when the underlying intention, strategy and purpose of the current directive of these organizations is nefarious and quite frankly does more harm than good. Our federal justice system has been compromised. I mean, what's happening is just it's heartbreaking. I feel like the comments and I appreciate, I mean, this is your job and you've done it fantastically under any normal circumstances, but an escape clause won't help us escape the ramifications of the agenda of this president, which it's being pointed out by experts, historians, and people all over that martial law and the potential of the Insurrection Act is quite possible. And an escape clause won't help us under those circumstances. So for me, this is an opportunity to say no to the things that otherwise I don't have control over and how they impact our community, our migrant community, the backbone of much of our agricultural industry, our visitor industry, our construction industry. I I just want you to know, I greatly appreciate that you guys are doing the right thing when it comes to ensuring these eyes and teeth are all crossed. But based on what's happening in the federal government right now, I firmly believe this This exposes us to more harm than good it would do. And I can't support these MOUs and I don't believe that there would be any negative repercussions that would outweigh the negative repercussions of passing it. And I want to make sure that history someday reveals where I personally stood on this, which is in support of you, but utter resistance and protest against what's happening in our country and also within this state right now, into the actions of organizations like HSI and ICE. And I have such empathy for people whose jobs are to work in those departments and organizations and for the struggles they must be navigating personally and professionally. So I humbly yield and thank you for your endurance of my passionate perspective on this. I yield. Thank you, Council Member Connelly, you can follow there and then Council Member Kimball. Thank you, Terry. Thank you for being here. Sorry, Cody, you talked about the, there's three MOUs in the packet that we have. You talked about exhibit A, but 26 A, which is that original from Paul Ferrer. Are we upholding the language in the Paul Ferrer one? Are we talking about the new one that was provided that references Chief Mosquitz? The language I read to you was from the former police chief Paul Ferrer agreement. We're not even working on updating that at this time. That one's out the door is gone, right? It's not gone. It's in place. We're not looking to update it or amend it. Or we're not doing anything with it right now. It stands. So we're- Points of contact, which is the second MOA in your packet under that communication. the MOU between HPD, HSI regarding embedding, that's updating the points of contact to chief mosquits. That is the current one that spurred this discussion in the first place to obtain council authority for this agreement to be executed. Okay, so I'm understanding you. So the first one that's in here, that profferar signed in 2017, we're still holding that same language, but we're updating the point of contact to be our chief now within, within new MOU. No, they're completely different. They're completely different. That's correct. Which one guides us into the future? All of them currently are in place theoretically. The agreement that updates to Chief Mosquitz is currently also in place but with a different point of contact. There's no end date for any of the for the MOU. Okay, thank you. That's kind of looking at it. I don't see an end date. We can end it within 30 days, but we haven't ended the Paul Ferrero one. I'm just going to go out the Paul Ferrero this year. That's correct. So we have Paul's one, and then we have the new one, which goes into effect, which is now between Chief Ben and the agent in Honolulu. That's correct. Okay. And then we have the Honolulu Safe Streets. Yeah, I'm not really digging into that one. That's correct. OK. And then we have the Honolulu Safe Streets. Yeah, I'm not really digging into that. That's separate in my eyes from all the main point of the conversation as today. OK, I'm going to yield for now. Thank you. Thank you. Ones member Kim Bull. Yes, thank you. I do have a couple more questions for you folks, but I'm actually going to request that managing director come up just because and I apologize managing director for not giving you a little more time this just kind of came up as I thought as we were talking today. The last hearing that we had the discussion was there was a brief discussion around the the fact that the council approved this resolution for the mayor to enter into those agreements, but then we advocate any future authority to actually say that we want to get out of those agreements. That then falls to the administration and the administration side. We could propose a resolution that would say, hey, we don't like the way things are going. Would you please get us out of this, but then it would come to the administration. So it occurred to me just like based on hearing some of the testimony and the comments here on the board that since the authority through this resolution is now designated to the administration to get into this agreement between HPD and the in ice and Homeland Security, it would be helpful for us to have a little broader perspective from where the administration, how they review this relationship and what might be, you know, we've had a question about like what are the deal breakers at what point would the administration start to have concerns? Given that I just sprung this on you by text then the last half hour, if the answer is I don't really know right now that's fine. I think we would maybe want to wait until we have a more time for you to have a more thorough response. But if you do have a response available, I'd like to have the opportunity for the board to hear that now. Good morning, Chair, Inamba and Councilmember Kimbo and all the other Council members here. Thank you very much for having me here. I'll attend today's meeting. You know, this is a very, we've had numerous discussions with the administration and with the police chief regarding, you know, this issue. And it's a very important issue. And I'm sure as you all are, you know, aware and you know, And if you don't, I'll just reiterate the mayor's position. Is that- issue and I'm sure as you all are aware and you know when if you don't I'll just reiterate the mayor's position is that public safety is first and foremost his number one you know agenda item as far as you know moving the community forward and when we look at a situation like this you know that's coming before us we know you know a lot of this has to do with what's happening on the national perspective and the national front. And that's concerning regarding immigration. And it's unsettling to our residents, documented and undocumented. And I think that's always in the back of our mind. But when you look at a proposal like this, I think we have to look at the larger picture is the mayor's perspective is that, you know, we always balance what's the greater good. And in Abelene, our police officers and our police force to have the best resources and the expensive technology and expertise from federal partners is something that's very important. Otherwise, we see the cities, the evidence is there. These cities that become sanctuary cities, the big city, Chicago, Los Angeles, defund the police and all those, you know, I guess, you know, avenues that they try that a lot of these cities were moving towards, we see the failures. And the failure is, the failure is the impacts and the hurt and the harm that falls upon the citizens. And's something we do not want to see here and you know so your question Council Member Kimbo is what would be you know what would be a trigger for us to say no well this is not our area of expertise you know we're gonna rely on what the police HPD has to say what Chief Moscocoaets has to provide to us. We're in continuous dialogue and discussion with him, and as it relates to these matters, and he's the expert in the field. It's not for us to step on his shoes. He's qualified. He's trained. His personnel are qualified and trained, and I think we have to allow them to do their job and to do it with the best and the most amount of resources possible, because they're what we have and they're the best that we have. And they're not called Hawaii's finest for nothing. And I think in that regard, I can assure you, this administration would not make any decisions without getting the blessing and getting the full support of the police department moving forward as to what would a trigger, what a trigger would look like. So I'm not sure if that's the answer you wanted to hear, but that's our position as far as the administration goes. Thank you, managing director Brillande. I appreciate the thorough answer short notice. I'm going to yield now in case anybody else has questions for the Manning Director just because I want to be respectful of this time. But thank you again for hearing but. Questions for the Managing Director? Councilmember Kaguata. Thank you. Thank you. Managing Director Brilhande for being here. I'm so short notice. I guess I'm just going to ask that you maybe try to get a little up to speed because there are things happening on our island now. So there have been ice, you know, deportations, picking people up, children involved, and so hopefully, I mean, it would be great if both, you know, if all parts of the administration in the leadership can be well aware of what's going on and participate in leading us in that way. So I just wanted to put that plug in. I know a lot of things are changing rapidly and things are happening quickly, but if we can make sure that we are all trying to be as much aware of what's going on as possible, I think that's really key. I appreciate that. And just to provide you, assurances, the mayor is very involved. And he's very informed and he's very engaged into what has been going on on the west side of Dyleen. I believe there are several incidents in which you alluded to. And our position is if the feds are coming in and they're going to do any activity on the big island, we want to ensure and we instruct it, you know, we've discussions with police is to ensure that the proper procedural protocols are in place, due process, warrants, everything of that nature which you know allows, you know, the individual or the, you individual or the suspects or the proposed individuals the opportunity to ensure that constitutionally their rights are protected, especially the due process. And we're not going to go in there, we're not going to go without a warrant warrant allow our people to separate a family or to take somebody away from their home. Before something like that happens, we've had discussions and we just want to ensure that the proper procedural mechanisms are in place. Absent that we won't be supportive, our position is we won't be supportive of whatever federal action is taking place, transpiring. Okay, thank you, management director. I don't know if you've been following this particular resolution and these MOUs, but a question I was going to have for the Chief, but I also do want, since you're here, want to ask you as well, is given your commitment to this community around their constitutional rights and not being violated. I'm trying to figure out because I think this is a little bit tricky. Is it better to have something in place with the feds so that they maybe tell us what's going on or since we don't really have control over what they do, it seems like is it better to resist which is what the community is really asking us to do. So I guess do you see us having any input on what happens on our island with federal deportation actions? Very good question. And I'm just going to fall back to our position, the administration's position as it relates to open and transparent communication. our firm believed that if we can communicate, if we have an open dialogue and if we can, you know, effectuate trust between the feds and HPD, I think in the long run, that better service us and our community, because, you know, you're absolutely correct. You know, we see time and time again that, often times the feds are gonna do what they wanna do. And because you know you're absolutely correct you know we see time and time again that oftentimes the faith they're gonna do what they want to do and you know if we have these MOUs in place at least we have some type of guideline at least we have some type of you know dialogues some type of you know I don't want to say rules because they're not essentially a rule but at least we have documentation in place so that you know we back on and say, look, this is how we supposed to be engaging with each other. And again, just like in a marriage, nobody's ever going to be happy 100% of the time. Well, maybe other marriages, but we wanted to be mature at the time. And I think without communication, I can assure you we're going to be in a worse place. And if we can get that, at least maintain a dialogue, maintain an open communication with the feds. And we have such great representatives here from HPD that let's rely on them's, you know, let's give them the power and the authority to do their job with the best and most resources we have available. And I think that that's going forward. That will be our best course of action. What can this administration do to really ensure those constitutional constitutional rights when the feds are coming in to our to our island, to our county and doing these. What are the things? What are the steps we can take? Because my understanding and I just want to add this to what council member Vegas was saying before is that these are civil issues that when you overstay your visa, it's a civil issue. It's not criminal and that's why our HPD generally does not deal with any immigration enforcement because they're civil proceedings. And so what can we do when the feds are showing up and maybe not following all correct procedures and maybe not providing judicial warrants or allowing people to see their attorneys or things like that. Yeah, that's a very good, you know, really good question and you know that's something that I'm so happy and so proud that we have such a great corporation council, Renée Shone, and you know, definitely, would definitely, you know, if that situation develops and if it becomes problematic, you know, that's something that we're gonna have to circle away against and we're gonna have to bring the chief in, we're gonna bring the Marion, and we're gonna have discussions with, you know, corporation council shown and with Cody and the like. And we're going to see, you know, on a case by case basis, because it just seems too hypothetical to me right now for me to come up with a clearly defined answer. But I can assure you, if, you know, those type of situations develop, we will address it properly and we will, again, engage the expertise from our county. That's why we have all these, you know, that's why we have such a qualified police chief. That's why we have such a qualified corporation council and that's why we have a mayor who's really proactive. And I think, you know, it's an unfortunate situation that's occurring, but I think we have a great team to address it if it gets out of hand. Okay, thank you. I'll yield and case other people have questions. Thanks. Thank you. Council Member Connelly, you client builder and then Council Member Kimball. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you for being here Mr. Bill Hunt. I'm going to have a question for you. Sorry. Probably, probably. Sorry. Any last questions for managing director before he leaves? Councilmember Connelly, thanks, other Vice-Chairon Ishii. Thanks, sir. So it was discussed earlier. If this body approves, moving forward to signing the MOU mirror working with the chief, who would talk, agree, sign. In case any of the council members in their districts, they hear things that are not happening how it's supposed to be. We can come back together as a body to a resolution, said to the administration saying we should terminate this contract. Is that like, we could get you guys support if that should happen? Definitely. Council member Unishi, I noticed on this form I got for the three resolutions, there's a column here for termination which outlines the procedural steps that are in place in order to that and that's something with definitely would be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it has to be. And the better it definitely would be. And the mayor has a sorry to just sign off and terminate within the 30 days. The need arises. Yeah, correct. Okay. Just want to kind of clarify all that. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember V.A. Yes. Aloha, managing director Brawantay. Thank you for coming down and answering this. And thank you for assuring us of the intentions of the mayor and this administration. I honor that, and I believe that, unfortunately, I don't think we're in normal times where that kind of rational will follow the process is going to work. Unfortunately, my concern here is just the statement if it happens. It's already happening. It's happened. People are experiencing this now. And that's what we're seeing happening at a national state. And now, local level is those who are honest to operate with integrity, who abide by the law and who are prioritizing the normal rational processes to follow in order to ensure that people get, have their rights respected and the law followed. unfortunately you're in a time that that's not what's happening and with other people, right? And so it's this hard thing of like, okay, we can cover our ass by making sure all of our documents are in line and our eyes and our teeth, but if in doing that, we're accidentally laying down on a landine because what's coming they're not going to respect and they already aren't respecting and they're defying the laws of our land and doing direct harm to the people in our community. So that's where this is the real hard thing for me and I don't want to be overly dramatic and all these other things but every day is another episode of the Twilight Zone in this dystopian nightmare where you know those who have higher access to potential power which is the feds right doesn't that trump our authority anyway and so whatever they say we can say we want an escape clause but if if they come in and say, nope, you can't do that. I can't remember if you can start. I just want to be respectful of managing director. Gotcha. Thank you. Those are my concerns. It is. Is that it's already happening here. And so it's not hypothetical. And we can go over the legal ease ease of it but what's happening to the people in communities here it's it's tragic and history keeps repeating itself and that's what breaks my heart the most. Thank you. Thank you. I think we have discussed this matter as best as we can and I think members do know how they intend to vote. So unless there's any last comments, we can consider a number of curriculets. Thank you. Deputy friends, what happens if we say no to this agreement? Because look at the title and it talks about continuingued support cooperation between HPD County of Hawaii State Federal partners A lot of this conversation has been revolving around immigration This resolution does not give our police officers any Capabilities powers to enforce immigration law What comes to mind is if we say no to this, does that mean any collaboration we have with state federal partners for drug trafficking, human trafficking, breaking a federal law? Do those, what happens there? I just, I wanna understand what happens if we say no. What happens with the working relationship and what are other ways that our county may be compromised or put at risk of other resources that are necessary to support the department and keep our community safe. It's a great question. So with a couple of thoughts that I'll share, but to directly answer your question is, the MOUs in place. So there won't be an updated MOU that changes the point of contact. That's the end result. If this were to be not passed by the body today, then the MOU that's currently in place will remain in place. And the point of contact will be outdated. That is the reality. The second point, and I'll let Chief Chi Minh, I'm sure he may have his own thoughts about collaboration. I've thought so, and you know, there's been a lot of things said here today and a lot of the public testimony. A couple of the points that I wanted to touch on from various council members this morning is what's the intention of the MOU? And I think you just touched on it. That the purpose of the MOU is not to provide the Hawaii Police Department or the County of Hawaii as we are one county. It is not to provide the Police Department inability to go and begin administrative civil immigration enforcement. That is abundantly clear yet that seems to be the focus. That seems to be a misplaced understanding and belief that if this MOU is signed that now that one equates to the other and it just doesn't and so I want to clarify anybody's political beliefs aside legally what did the MOU provide the Hawaii Police Department to do and it is not what everybody what you know council member Kagiwata or Gullimba or Viegas is concerned about, it does not provide them that authority. In fact, it expressly prohibits it. So we're talking apples and oranges, is what it feels like to me, that the concerns that the community and even Council Member Hustis, I wanna touch on his point about what benefit does it really provide the count in? I'll give you a very good example of that. But the concerns being raised by the members of the public that have testified in and some council members today are completely unrelated to what the powers, duties, and authorities that the MOU would even bring to the Hawaii Police Department. So again, apples and oranges. And I think that that's unfortunate distraction from the purpose of the MOU. The concerns being raised are not something that can be in fact effectuated merely by executing the MOU. When you talk about and I think Councilmember Viegas talked about these are law-biting citizens. I'm not going to get into whether they are. I don't have any of that information. Hypothetically, someone who overstays a visa isn't violation of that particular law. So this is not about the police department picking and choosing what laws it is enforcing, or is not enforcing. They're not enforcing the federal laws. That's what the Homeland Security personnel are doing, the FBI are doing. That's not what the Hawaii Police Department are doing. When we talk about benefits, I think Council Member Hussas Talki asking, what's the real benefit here? And that goes to your question about collaboration. The Hawaii Police Department has collaborated on so many different levels with the federal government, whether it's Homeland Security FBI. I'm sure there are a lot of other facets of federal government that I don't know all the acronyms for. There is collaboration on so many levels that you're probably not even aware of. But the most instant benefit that I think we can all remember was the manhunt that occurred not that long ago. The very first entity, as I understand it, that jumped in saying all hands on deck, bringing all of our resources was the federal government, Homeland Security and the FBI. What can we do? How do we help? We'll be there immediately. Before any of our other fellow jurisdictions were, we had to do some paperwork and other things like that. Everybody wants to help, right? But they were the first. So that's a benefit, a huge benefit. I can't speak as to normalize, try to guess what would happen if this body were to shut down the police friend's ability to update a point of contact. But collaboration is critical. Collaboration is key. Our ability to work well with other jurisdictions, whether it's sitting County of Honolulu, Maui, Kaua'i, whether it's you guys with other states. It all matters. It all matters. Ensuring that the MOU that's going to be, that we're talking about today, provides the limitations, are steps that we've done to provide, to rectify the concerns about what people think might be occurring. And no matter whether we say it's not going to happen, this doesn't give us the authority to do it. It never did. We won't. And even I believe Council Member Kaguata said specifically that it's civil, not criminal, which is why HawaiiD. doesn't do immigration. She said it herself. That's exactly what we're talking about here, right? We are talking about staying within the confines and the bounds of what H.P.P. Department does. Exactly that. I think everybody seems to know it, but we're getting distracted by very real, very scary times at the national level, but that is not with this MOU or any of the three MOUs on before you today are four. That is not the intention of them. So I just want to make sure I I'm just trying to bring it back to the intent of the MOU. That's before you know. No, I Quix said it very well yes unless there's something specific you want to be through the address all right thank you. No thank you Terran I just want to call for the question thank you. Thank you. Mr. Clerk. Roll call. Cheers. I've been waiting since. Oh sorry. Go. Thank you. Cody, thank you for that. That was very helpful. I think that needed to be said and chief, I think you appreciated the comment as well. Cody, just looking at the two MOUs. I'm just going to follow the difference. 2017 is in place and has been since 2017. So nothing changes and I think Ms. Kirkwood's pointed that out. Now that's a big distinction. That's like saying everything that we've heard today is already in place. So this isn't no. So then my question then is why the difference between the two MOUs besides the point of contact? The only thing that I can see is in the authority clause which references different sections of and different titles within the United States codes for federal codes. What are the main differences that are being covered? They're completely different agreements. They're completely different agreements. So the one where we're updating the point of contact, the second attachment, or the second MOU in the stack, is a completely different agreement from the first. So I have an old one. We have an old one that shows the prior point of context for the one that we're updating. Yes. So it's completely different agreements. Theoretically, I think we've covered in Kona that there is a miss sight in the law, right? For the United States Code, as typed in, I believe I'm assuming Homeland Security provision number two under authority. So theoretically, if this were to pass, maybe it would be a good idea to clean that up, but that's currently not on the table for updating. It's just that second one. Different agreements. Sorry. 2017 is in place, so we're not touching that. That's days. MOU number two, Chief Ben's one, does not amend the original. Correct? It would be amending the currently in place one by updating the point of contact. Just the point of contact. That's correct. That's it. Yeah. Okay. So we have designated office space for the Homeland Security Agent that generally works on the island. Which to me it was kind of covered in the original MOU, but this kind of formalizes that they will have a space, which is chair's desk and some filing cabinets. That's correct, this chief explained last time. Fair enough. Okay. That's very helpful. I think to the community, it's been very emotional. I think you mentioned ice, it's gonna bring people out. I think it's important that they come in that's it is great. And some of the testimony today was was haunting. I don't want that to happen here. What I do know about our island is that we're special and have IE is special and it's important that we keep these relationships strong within our communities, but we're just We're a little bit different than everybody else and I I thought about it this morning I've had so many phone calls Regarding this ammo you and emails But really if I bring it if I boil it all down to what I can see in front of us Understanding this is better in place since 2017. We're updating a context that really takes away this fear value like you explained earlier. The other part of it for me is I'd rather have our officers being the people who are addressing anyone in our community rather than the people that I don't know. Because I know our officers and they know our community members and the story you explained about the the childhood elementary school and the parents and the way that I was handled that highlighted how unique we are here in Hawaii and why I'd rather see this done at a local level, that at a federal level, the officers from Orelulu or for the mainland that don't know anything about us, anything about our community, and when handled it with less respect that I'll than we do here. So for that reason and a lot of the reasons that you pointed out, Quarry, I'll be supporting this today. I appreciate the amendment by Council Member Kogiyoata. That was important to highlight. And I just thank you for your time and to the community. I hope that we've usaged the fears that have been presented. And I really do lean on this department and their track record of treating us with respect to the community and propelling that into the future and not emphasizing the fear value of this MOU and what it does or does not do. So thank you for your time. Are you okay? Thank you, Councillor Neill, Eclin and Felder, Councillor Member Kimbole and Councillor Neill and Felder. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Deputy Friends, for really narrowing down the impact. So as I understand it, just going to reiterate, this means that the MOUs in place that are already existing will have the wrong contact information on the second one for the Chief. That is correct. Okay. I want to speak to one thing which is I think a little bit of a mischaracterization about what the concerns are from the community. I heard less about HPD being conferred additional responsibilities than I did a concern about HPD facilitating potentially illegal actions by Homeland Security and ICE. And from From the first hearing we had on this to now, we've had in one case of incidents that I particularly like to highlight. I'm not kind of on the same dystopian future as some of my colleagues here. I'm a Kakai Dr. Mistin, do believe that the bureaucracy and the courts will save us ultimately, but they're slow. And in one of those cases, we had a Maryland man, a legal, Lee protected resident deported under the Aliens Act of 1798 and sent to Al Salvador. The administration, the Trump administration, has currently determined and admitted that was a mistake. He should not have been deported. But he's there in El Salvador. They can't find him. And there is no legal mechanism to bring him back. So what I'm hearing as far as concerned is, and you mentioned due process, chief, and ensuring that the folks that are being pursued by these federal agencies would be given that due process. Are there any assurances that you can give that our department will not be facilitating these kinds of activities coming from the federal government that the participants are not being afforded to process. I think that actually my response is going to speak to the heart of the question that councilmember Glimba asks the managing director that she said she was going to ask me which is would, and this kind of parent something that was spoken about earlier as well, I would much rather have our officers there to make sure that people's rights are protected than to not have any communication and have things occur that are occurring on the mainland here in much fuller force because we're not involved. I don't I guess that's about as simply as I can put it. Our officers regardless of their TFO status are required to follow the rules that the department has set up which require them to treat people the same without discriminating against any of those protected classes that I talked about earlier. So regardless of whether it's a task force officer or an officer who's just asked called by a neighbor who sees something suspicious at their neighbor's house and the officer responds, our response is not necessarily always over, you know, however long this lasts. It's not going to be limited to ICE or HSI picking up the phone and saying, hey, we want your help to come to XYZ, right? People in the community, members of the community call us all the time about all kinds of things. And that's our job. We respond and we address whatever we find when we get there. So, I trust in the officers who are going to respond to these cases whether they're, you know, we're notified or not. Regardless of their TFO status, I trust that they're going to act in the best interests of people involved and act to protect people's rights and make sure that people are safe and that the Allah-awed spirit is broadcast as loudly as they can. That's what they do every day. Thank you for that and I will say in my experience here on the council and even as just a citizen prior to that, you know, my, I do think that HPD is different than what we see in the I mean, then police forces. And I do think that HPD is different than what we see in the mainland police forces. And I do think that they're, I do see value in what you're saying about the relationship with regard to having somebody there to ensure that things are happening properly. I'm not sure what I'm going to do at this point because you've made it clear actually, this is largely a symbolic vote when we are the other and you know I think I say Homeland Security will be able to find your contact information even if strong in the MOU. I suspect they know where that you live but I would think about this a little bit and hear the rest of the questions because this could be an opportunity to make a statement even though it's relatively symbolic. Thank you. Thank you. I want to call for a question. Thank you. I want to call for a question. Please. Could I get a minute? It's been Moe by Vice Chair Onishi Seconded by Council Member Kirgo It's to call for the question. Let's see Mr. Craig Roll call please. On the motion to call for the question. Let's see, Mr. Kerquid, roll call please. I'm in motion to call for the question and move to the vote to adopt resolution 74 as amended. Constable Kerquid, go limba. No. Constable Kerquid, use this. No. Constable Kerquid, go to. No. Constable Kerquid, go to. Climb elder. Aye. No. customer curcuit. Hi. Hi. Councilmember Campbell. No. Councilmember Onishi. Hi. Councilmember Regiegas. Help. Chair. No. Chair, there are three votes in favor. Motion is lost. All right, Councilmember Gilemba. Thank you. Yeah, I just feel like we weren't there yet. All right, let's proceed to folks. We're getting through half the day and we've had a lot of discussion on this committee. I think we deputy friends has tried to explain and I feel that we generally have an understanding and if you're not in support, you're not in support. But if you have new questions, please proceed. Thank you. And I really appreciate, I mean, you've expressed before, that the motive for this was you just wanted to keep us, our eyes and, our eyes dotted teeth cross, just update this thing, the way it should be and we 100% appreciate that because we don't want to have outdated material that we're working on. So I just wanted to sort of bring that in, yes, to sort of follow up with what you raised. And I also 100% want to support our current police force and our current police chief who I have absolute faith in making this. That your three pillars I very much have a lot of faith in that. And thank you for expressing that multiple times for us. This is one little question, practical question. So the TFO officers, under our current agreements. Those guys work only on drug criminal, basically the criminal, federal criminal cases, correct? Yes, that's correct. Okay. And so when ICE comes to you folks and asks, I don't know exactly what they ask are, they let you know that something is happening and you send them out to protect, to help. Are those TFO officers or are there just general officers that are there and on duty at the time? Yeah those two things aren't mutually exclusive, it could be either or. So there might be two and two or however many happens to go. Okay. Thanks. I just wanted to clarify that. Thanks. How before? I think I think for me, I wanted to ask, are having these MOUs, I pretty much know the question, but I wanna ask it anyway. Having these MOUs in place are going to help you protect the rights of our folks here on this island, yes or no. Oh, I'm scared. Oh, that's the police interrogation question tactic, it's her no. I think having them helps not having them hurts without an absolute yes or no. Say that again? Not knowing everything there is to know. I think having the MOU's helps, I think not having the MOU's does not help. Okay. Is that so? Yes. Okay. Thank you very much for that. And I definitely understand as a nation where there's whole states that are having this whole conversation going on. So I understand council members, VHS desire to make a statement and perhaps we should do that in a perhaps we should also do that in a separate resolution to let it be known where we as a council as representatives of our counties stand on this issue. So that's, I'm going to be supporting the MOU, but also I guess I want to say that, you know, these are scary times. And so we're really digging in on this one because we need to be super careful. Thank you, Councilmember Galenba. We're going to move on. Councilmember Houston, and then Councilmember Caguano. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. The only question I have is yesterday we had a good discussion about a different MOU. And I was very clear and cut dry, and I appreciated that. And what the challenge of having here with this resolution is that there are three MOUs in it and it's led to confusion here with my colleagues and in the community. So my request would be to kind of separate these out, if possible, if all possible, to kind of really dive down into why each of them are kind of being presented. And I know it's maybe a little bit more efficient to bring them forward. Maybe there's some connectivity between them. So that's just kind of my request. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Huss. This Councilmember Kagiwata. Thank you, Chair. I don't want to beleager these points, but I do want to, um, to Chief, um, one more time. Just get your commitment to the community, regardless of what happens on this, uh, resolution today, as far as keeping people informed, trying to answer questions when people are really scared, and doing whatever we can as a whole county to keep people safe as you've stated many times, but especially that communication piece and just would love to just have you reiterate that more time just so we because I do think fear is what is the key word here? Yep, fear, what's the term fear abhor is a vacuum, right? Or thrives in a vacuum, I guess, is better. A vacuum of information allows fear and misinformation or disinformation or malinformation to spread and propagate more fear. So the commitment of our police department and my commitment since the day I sat here in December of 2022 trying to apply for the job in the first place was to be as open and honest and transparent in our communication as we can. And there will be times when we can't tell you something. And thankfully, when those times have occurred, I think the trust that the police department has built in the interim has helped so that when there are times we can't talk about something or we'd rather not talk about something, the trust in the community allows us to move past that and then share again what we can. On a very, very short, we had the officer who got shot in the head and the arm and he was taking off the queens. And within a few hours after he got out of surgery, I had talked to him on the phone. At that point it became pretty apparent that he was going to recover. He wasn't going to die. And the officer asked me, he said, hey, chief, I know that this is what he's thinking about, by the way, if you know who we're talking about. He says, you know, when I get back to work, there's cases. And, you know, I've been undercover and I've done all these things. And I hope that, you know, you can do what you can't to limit my picture from being plastered all over the place because I'm essentially going to be useless to you in that role, which is very, very good at, by the way. And I said, well, you know what, I think that's the right move, and I'm going to have to ask. So I, within a day, was on the phone with the newsrooms of every media outlet in the state, all of our local journalists and explaining to them, here's what we're going to ask of you because the name is out there. You get the court records and the court documents, the officer's name is there. But to date, I can't find a single reporting of it because we've been so, and some of the comments I got back were, you know what, we're going to do this for you, we normally would it, but here's why. And it's because we share things that we can share even before you ask potentially. And that kind of a... We're going to do this for you. We normally would, but here's why. And it's because we share things that we can share even before you ask potentially. And that kind of a stance, I think, builds trust and helps us do the times when there are certain very sensitive things that we'd rather or we can't talk about. But that's absolutely my commitment. I know I'd be labored your simple question very much. It's OK. That is my style. Absolutely, are the commitment to open, transparent, proactive communication is, that's what you're gonna get as long as I'm the chief. Thank you so much. And you know, DCC friends, just understanding that this specific Rezo is about these specific MOUs and it's, but the perception in the public you can see is very different. And so, and perception matters, right? And the trust that people have in the county matters. So I'm gonna be voting against this and know that it probably doesn't make a very big difference. It sounds like anyway, But yeah, but I want to, you know, help build that trust with HPD and the community whenever I can. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. with that. I worked on the resolutions amendment along with Councilmember Kaguata with the assistance of the police chief and Deputy Corporation council friends. I feel more comfortable with the new agreement, especially with the exhibits rather than the existing with no exhibits and not as much guidance. I'm gonna be in support and I do understand the concern of community. I think there's more to be concerned about if we don't pass the updated agreement. So with that Mr. Clerk, Roll co-volve. On a motion to adopt resolution 74 as amended, Council Member Galimba. Aye. Council Member Hustis. No. Council Member Coguata. No. Council Member Clemma. Aye. Council Member Hustis. No. Council Member Coguata. No. Council Member Cahnel-E Clinefelder. Council Member Carcowicz. Aye. Council Member Campbell. No. Council Member Onishi. Aye. Council Member Villegas. Aye. Chair. Aye. Chair Nabi, you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank three. Hearing none, Bill 30 draft three, amendments section 25, 8S33, C.D. Pilo's ZO-MAP article 8, chapter 25 of Hawaii County Code 1983, 2016 edition as amended by changing the ZO-MAP classification from single spelling residential 10,000 square feet to neighborhood commercial 10,000 square feet at Wa Kia South Helo, Hawaii, come by tax map key 2 2 0 3 6 1 1 3 Applicant Jack Vanderhoff Jr. and Salian Young area at 19,500 square feet Thank you. The underplenty commission forwards is failed recommendation for this requested change of zone Which allowed the applicant to convert the existing dwelling to use a accounting business office This property is located at 900 Mononoono Street. This introduced by Council Member Kimbo by request and first reading was March 19, 2025. Chair, I'm motion to approve Bill 30 draft three at second and final reading. Well, by Council Member Kimbo, second and by Council Member Coney, I'd like you to client-ffielder to approve Bill 30, draft three at second and final reading. Councilmember Caguato. Thank you, Chair. I have a very simple amendment here. Motion to amend Bill 30, draft three with the contents of communication 157.6. Move back, Councilmember Caguato. Seconded by Councilmember Kimbo to amend Bill 30, draft three with the contents of communication Once five seven point six Councilmember Coguata. Thank you chair. Just we are removing the State Department of Transportation from the list of people involved because this is not a state These are not state roads near here Thank you Before we proceed on the vote, Mr. Array is there any opposition to the amendment and we have the applicant here as well? But afternoon there in Array, along with Mr. Van Halff the applicant, we have no objections to the amendment as presented in Communication 1 5 7.6. Thank you. Any discussion? Councilmember Connelly, Klein, Father, the amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm very patient this morning. I was in the bathroom with the applicant, and we were talking about his patients because we've been in about three, four hours now. Is there no tie-in at all to the state agency? The O.T.? No sir. No requirement. So, sorry. The condition is tied to just the review and approval of a TIAR traffic report because it's not a state highway. Manono is county that they will not be participating in any review to a county facility. Okay, understood. Thank you. Thank you all those in favor of the building, Bill 30, draft three with a contents of communication, 157.6, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, seven ayes, two absent, council members, curcowitz and.S. kind of get a motion to suspend rule 23, please. So moved. Move back, council member, Connie Alicle, I'm proud there, second A.V.I.C.S.A. member, Kimbo to suspend rule 23, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed, motion carries, seven, aye's to excuse council members. be a guest and Kirkowitz. We're back to the main motion, any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of approving Bill 30, draft three as amended. At second and final reading, please say aye. Any opposed? We are back to the main motion any further discussion seeing none all those in favor of approving bill 30 draft 3 as amended at second and final reading please say aye Any pose motion carries seven eyes to excuse council members Kirkowitz and V. A. Kiss bill 30 draft 3 is approved that second and final reading. Thank you mr. Array Can you please proceed to Resolution 108 There's any testimony for Resolution 108. Hearing none, Resition 108-25 transfers appropriate as an appropriation after a designated fund account. It's a state-to-dead fund account for the 2025 outstanding older Americans in North, excuse me, month award luncheon. $1,000. The court council services continuously leave the council district one and critis the office of aging, other current expenses account introduced by Council member Kimball. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 108-25. Move back, Council member Kimball, seconded by Council member Kanye Lee, Klein filter to approve resolution 108-25, Council Member Kimbo. I just want to thank the Office of Aging, your patience. Please go ahead and you may speak to the resolution. Green but then. Okay, Aloha, Christine Nguyen, admin services assistant one for the Office of Aging. Thank you for allowing me to be here today. I appreciate you guys and all that you guys do. I sat here for the last three hours and it was some heavy stuff, but I appreciate you guys advocating for us and the community. So thank you for making those hard choices. So in regards to the older Americans Lenschen, May of every single year is designated at older American's month. And every year we hold a older American's luncheon in Waikaloah. And it serves 250 to about 300 Kupuna. And we recognize and honor our Kupuna because as you know, they're viled to our community. So we have 12 nominees this year and we will be recognizing one male and one female. And once they are recognized in Waikaloa, then they go on to Honolulu and represent the big island at the state luncheon. Wonderful. Thank you so much for that. The an encouraged our council's support of this event every year. Thank you Councilmember Kimball. All those in favor of approving resolution 108-25 please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries seven eyes to excuse council members Kirkowitz and V. Agus. Resolution 108-25 is approved. Thank you. Resolution 109. There may be testimony for Resolution 109-25. Hearing none, Resolution 109-25 transfers appropriate and appropriation of it is in front of count. Credit same to a designated fun account for the annual outstanding older Americans award luncheon. Transures $1,000. Now, court council services continuously leave a constant, constant district six, and credit stop, as of aging, other current expenses account introduced by council member Golembo. Chair motion to approve resolution 1925. Hope by council member Golembo, seconded by council member says to approve resolution 109-25 any discussion Seeing none all those in favor please say aye any opposed motion carries seven eyes to excuse Council members Kirkowitz and V.A.G.S resolution 109-25 is approved Mahalo for being here so much that was painless. Thank you. Appreciate it back to the top and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go to 2701-1-001 and 2700020027 situated in the oboe of Kavai Nui in Onomaya. District of South Hill utilizes the public access open space and not your resources preservation fund. Consecure acquired approximately 81.19 acres of land to protect and preserve cultural natural resources and open certain areas of the property for educationalons, Listed as Priority Number 2, in December 2024 and report of the Public Access Open Space and Natural Resources Preservation Commission introduced by Councilmember Kimball. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 95-25. Well, by Councilmember Kimball, seconded by Councilmember Houston to approve resolution 95-25, Councilmember Kimbo. It's just asking for my colleagues continued support. We had an excellent conversation and there was a lot of great testimony around this in committee. I think that this area will be a tremendous asset to the county and both for environmental protection as well as access to cultural resources. Thank you for support. Thank you all those in favor of approving resolution 95-25. They say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Seven, aye. Two excuse. Council members, clerk for what's at the AES resolution 95-25 is approved. There's already testimony of resolution 96-25. Hearing none, resolution 96-25 authorize the payment of funds of a later fiscal year and a more than one fiscal year for monthly releases for nine amid size 4x4 trucks for the Department of Parks and Recreation, authorize the merit to enter into five year lease agreements with approximately total monthly costs of $10,000 to transport staff between base yards and park facilities before maintenance and cleaning duties in use by a customer of kindly client-fother by request. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 96-25. Moved by Council Member, kindly leave your client-fother seconded by Vice Chair O'Neill, she to approve resolution 96-25, Council Member, kindly leave your client-fother. Thank you, we had good discussion and committees for this, And thank you for your patience this morning. Do you have anything to add? You're off though. Okay. Just for any questions. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor of approving Resolution 96-25. They say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Seven, aye's to excuse. Councilmembers Kirkowitz, MVA. I guess resolution 96-25 is approved. Thank you for being here. There's any testimony for resolution 103-25. Hearing none resolution 103-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account credit same to a designated fund account To provide a grant to the Arts and Sciences Center for its driver's education traffic safety fair in Pawaw. Chancellor's $2,500 in the per council services contingency relief account Councillor Stric Four and credits the Department of Liquor Control for the program's account introduced by councilmember Kirkowitz. Motion to approve, adopt resolution 103-25. Second. Both five vice chair on issues. Second, I have a council member Houston to approve resolution 103-25. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? The motion carries. Seven, aye. Two excuse. Council members, Kirkowitz and Diego, resolution 103-25 is approved. So any testimony for resolution 107-25? Hearing none, resolution 107-25. Transpversed appropriates of a designated fund account, could it seem to a designated fund account by the grant to homo-cool harvester incorporated to conduct educational sessions regarding agricultural tax classifications and related real property tax programs. Transures $10,000, so clerk council services continuously leave a council district 1 and credits the property research development, agriculture, expenses account introduced by Councilmember Kimball chair motion to approve resolution 107-25. Well by Councilmember Kimball seconded by Councilmember Kagiwata to approve resolution 107-25 Councilmember Kimball. Yes thank you. This contingency relief program is to support explanation and training and services around helping people understand how to comply and fill out the forms related to the agricultural tax programs. Obviously, there's a lot of concern and misunderstanding about that as they went through. We have a whole bunch of materials available for folks, so if there's interest in providing similar resources in your district, I'm happy to help facilitate that type of programming. But wanna thank Hummakul Harbist for offering to do this within District One. Thank you, any discussion? Council member Kimbo-Chicken, what involvement the real property tax division has had with this education outreach? Yeah, we're using all of their forms and their FAQ sheet, which I think is if you have folks in your district that have questions direct them to the real property tax fact sheet, I think that really spells out. It's a two-page document, very simple terms about what's required. Additionally, the form is not a farm plan form, is now available on that website. It's a three-page form, and I think that also provides a lot of clarity about what the expectation is with regard to these programs. So that's the involvement of RBT is providing the paperwork that we're providing to folks in these trainings. Okay. I have concerns. I would hope that the real property tax division can review any presentation material or other outreach beyond just our own forms because I don't want to see a nonprofit that, beginning any kind of advice that might not be approved or might be in conflict with the real property tax divisions, advice and procedures and policies. So I'm hoping administrator, Mira and the team are willing to work with this funding and this nonprofit to get this done. And with that, council members, we're gonna proceed with the vote following rules that no one know for the discussion after my comments. So all those in favor of approving resolution 107-25, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries seven, aye. Two excuse members, curcowitz and V.A.G.S. Resolution 107-25 is adopted. So any testimony for resolution 110-25? Very none. Resolution 110-25 transfers appropriate and appropriation out from a designated fund account. Criticine to a designated fund account by the grant grant to dare Hawaii to assist with expenses relating to his 2025 dare day celebration event in East Hawaii. It turns to $2,000. So clerk council services continuously relief account, council district two and credits the public control public programs account introduced by councilmember Kagiwata. Chair, motion to approve resolution 1110-25. Second. Move by Councilmember Coguano. Seconded by Councilmember Houston. So approve resolution 1110-25. Councilmember Coguano. Thanks. Just looking for every support. I know a lot of other people have already donated and know about the program. Thank you. Thank you. Any further discussion? Councilmember V. Agas? Yeah, I just have a quick question for Court Council. Renee, sorry to bother you. My office was working on contingency relief funding for the dare event, but hit some hiccups in some questions about person that works with the dare program having direct connection to the nonprofit that does the event. And so my contingency attempts were kind of put on hold. So I just would like clarification because it's something I very much want to also support, but unfortunately this has happened in the past, where my office has looked to support certain things and been given pushback and they said that council and other council members are able to put through funds for the same event or organizations or similar. So I'm just looking for, and in no way questioning this, I'm in full support. Yeah, I just want to be able to also contribute funds. Okay, Renational Corporation Council, so I'd be more than happy to talk with you after this just to look into the specifics of why that didn't happen. Okay, great, thank you. And Councilmember Cogu perhaps we could I could pick your brain in order to also figure out the best way to proceed with contributions to this event for my office as well. Thank you Councilmember Villegas Councilmember Coguata. Thank you. Just this was also an issue that was raised to us and so we did did reach out to the board president of Dare and asked him to please file a request with the Board of Ethics around this because they are a county employee. So I believe that is in process already. But because several people had already got theirs through, there't seem to be a hold-up as far as going ahead and process starting the process. So my understanding is that that has already been filed and will be heard and I don't anticipate any issues they just needed to go through the process. Thank you. Thank you Council Thank you Council Member Coguata and for Corporation Council. Deputy Corporation Council friends have been working on this regarding the code of ethics. So she can be helpful in your research. With that, all those in favor of approving resolution 110-25, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Eight, aye. One excuse. Council Member Kirkowitz. Resolution 1-1-0. DASH-2-5 is approved. Is it here? Yes. Mr. Unishi. Would we be able to table resolution 1-1-1-2-5 to the end of all the resolutions? Because some recreation, I guess, reports coordinator Mark Ozzorio is not here to help explain this whole. Sure. Welcome back to that again. Resolution 112, please. Is there any testimony for resolution 112-25? Very none. Resolution 112-25 transfers appropriate in appropriation out from a designated fund account. Could it say into a designated fund account by the grant to Bacana, will officiate an association for its law and a project transfer $6,000 or clerk Council Services continues to relieve account. Could it say into a designated fund account by the grant to Bokana will officiate an association for its law in a project. Transfer $6,000 or clerk council services continue to really account. Council District 1 and Credit Department of Parks and Recreation Administration of the current spends account in June. So they council member Kimball. Chair motion to adopt resolution 112-25. Well, by council member Kimball, seconded by council member Houston to approve resolution 11-25. Council Member Kimbo. Yes, just asking for my colleague's support to continue to support these all the online efforts. Thank you. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 112-25. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. EDIES, one excuse. Council Member Kirkowitz. Resolution 112-25 is approved. There's any testimony for resolution 113-25. Hearing none, resolution 113-25, transfers, appropriates, and appropriation, out from a designated fund account, credit, same to a designated fund account for the Department of Parks and Recreation, summer fund programs in council district one, transfers $5,000, their curfewal services continue to Council District 1. And Critics Department of Parks and Recreation, some are in the recession, other current expenses account introduced by Council Member Kimball. I will chair motion to adopt resolution 113-25. Move back Council Member Kimball. Seconded by Council Member Houston, to approve resolution 113-25, Council Member Kimball. Thank you. I think Mr. Osori may have been here to help support this program too, but this is I think the fourth year we've partnered to provide some really innovative summer fun programs in district one, and I just wanna thank him and his recreation staff for all the great work they're doing. Follow. Thank you. Vice Chair Oniss, thank you. Thank you. Shemin, can you come up, please? You can introduce yourself. Shemin Felipe Business Manager for Parks and Recreation. Thank you for coming. I just had my question. So the funding will be used to purchase like voting chairs, I thought it started voting tables and chairs and so forth right for district one. So in recreation, divisions budget under summer fund, there is like an account right for purchasing of supplies and so forth. Yes, and So my question is in that account right now Default have on a balance yet or you guys spent everything There is some balance left Okay, and then how is it divided among the different nine districts? It usually goes to the district that has the most need at the moment that identifies something that they need or is in need of. Okay, so this is just basically extra funds to the district one, which the allocation from the whole, I guess, was within the original budget was an enough to help them. Not necessarily it's to supplement what that district needs and that makes funds available for other districts that may need additional items as well. Okay so that's what I thought that I read that this money that this Kimbo's giving can go even wide. Well, we will focus her funds to her district, which will make funds in our original budget. Yes, available for other districts. Okay, because what I would like to see is general funds being spent first and depleting that account within the districts and then council members give more towards our districts to help supplement by purchasing other equipment or supplies for our district. I mean, that's what I would like to see that happens first. Sure. We can do that. Because you know, when we go through budget, then we can see that we can, you guys can show that the money is needed. But if you always come back with one balance, then to me, and I don't know about other customers, but that means you guys have a surplus and you guys don't need that money. Well, summer fund is towards the end of the fiscal year, you know, as of right now it shows a balance because we don't want to deplete it early on and when the program is near that we don't have funds for what they need. But then that's when the council members can come involved, right? If recreation divisionacts the council members in the district right to help out. Yes, and that's what that's what I'm trying to say is that And the thing is even if you folks do run out in your general funds Then you folks can always request more for the next year right because it's a needed Like funding that to help our cake is a the program itself, right? Yeah, so kind of think about that and making sure that the general fund money is being used first and then come and ask the council members to help. But we're always grateful for any contribution that's given to our program. So thank you. Thank you Thank you all those in favor of approving resolution 113-25. Please say aye any opposed motion carries eight eyes one excuse Councilmember Kirkowitz resolution 113-25 is approved Is there any testimony for resolution 114-25? 5. Hearing none, resolution 114-25 transfers appropriate and appropriation out from a designated fund account, credit same to a designated fund account to add a grant to Humble Co Health Center, incorporated for the 2025 Hona Caut Western Week Festival, transfers $5,000 of the Clerk Council Services continuously relief account, Council District 1 and Credit Department Parks Recre Recreation, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other current expenses account introduced by Council Member Kimball. Chair, motion to approve resolution 114-25. Will the Council member Kimball, seconded by Council Member Heussis to approve resolution 114-25, Council Member Kimball? Yes, I'd like to call everyone's attention to this resolution specifically because it is in the format that we will be moving towards with respect to contingency relief funds working through a standardized form across all offices. So you'll note that it looks like the fund transfer resolutions that we typically get from finance to move funds from one account to another. And then as an attachment, as an exhibit, you have the details about the program and the funding and the budget. So these will be all entered as standardized components by the applicants for the contingency funds. the resolution will be automatically generated and the exhibits and budget will be attached. So this was our first attempt using this new standardized input mechanism. That aside, I also want to say this is a great program. I hope you will come up to Hanukkah for a Western week. It is one of the big revenue generators for the town and revitalizing Hanukkah. So thank you for your support. Thank you, Council Member Kimball. Yes, so we'll be looking to change over to this system but then you'll fiscal year. Council Member Kimball and myself testing it out right now, getting all any of the kinks, but all those in favor of approving resolution 114-25 please say aye and a post motion carries a dice one excuse councilmember perquets resolution 114-25 is approved can you please have the testimony for resolution 115-25 thank you so much mr. Clerk we do have one testifier Sylvia Del Sylvia, if you could unmute your mic at this time, you'll have three minutes to provide your testimony. Please introduce yourself as you begin. Aloha. I'm Sylvia Delena with Aloha Animal Advocates and I am in support of one on five dash two five. And over the past several years, I've been deeply involved in efforts to create humane sustainable solutions to manage our community cat population here on Hawaii Island and what I've learned and what I believe is critical for us to understand as a community is that effective cat population management isn't just about trapping or spaying and neutering it's about trust trust, transparency, communication, and collaboration. And we have a lot of really successful models to work with. And we've implemented phased community-driven approaches like the one currently rolling out near Banyan Drive, where feeding is moved to designated areas that's monitored and followed by coordinated trapping and sterilization efforts. And the efforts at Cala K. Hay Transfer Station, where feeding was moved from the parking lot and buildings to specific area away from the transfer station traffic. And these types of programs work best when local feeders, residents, nonprofits, and government agencies are all part of the conversation and feel respected in the process. When we're not aligned, that's when there's infighting, big, finger pointing and a breakdown of trust. And we lose valuable time, credibility. And we alienate the very people who are often closest to the problem that are most ready to help. Volunteers, no cost to the county. Meanwhile, the cats continue to multiply, the problem grows, and the public perception becomes more polarized. The situation in Waikoloa is a clear example of what happens when there is no clear humane program in place. While meaning individuals in a clashing with enforcement while animals suffer, many of them are sick, abandoned, or victims of cruelty. These areas become hot spot, not just for dumping, but for heartbreak and hostility. And this isn't unique to Waikolua. Other known dumping routes across the island face similar challenges, such as at the Kau transfer station during the Kilewaia lava event where population doubled to over 200 cats. We cannot continue to approach these issues piecemeal or with a cultural mistrust. We need a programmatic, island-wide solution rooted with shared responsibility and accountability with the county and animal welfare organizations build a system together. One that empowers and engages the public because we need their support and provides a pathway to action and gives consistent humane support to the people and animals that needed the most. 30 seconds please. During the island wide community based task force meetings, the community was and still is asking for structure, for consistency, for a safe place to collaborate for humane solutions. A real program with clear guidelines shared data and mutual respect is the only way forward. The community will engage with their efforts and their energy if they feel that there's a structured pathway to implement solutions. Mahalo for your consideration. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, those are all the testifiers you have for this item. Resolution 1,5-25. Transfer is appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account. Could it say into a designated fund account? But a grant to a law animal alliance for its cat management pilot program. Transfer is $20,000 of Kerr council services continuously really relief account, Constceres to take one and credits the animal control protection agency account and introduced by Council member Kimball. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 115-25. Moved by Council member Kimball, second they by council member hewstis to approve resolution 115-25. Council member Kimball. Yes, thank you. I asked for my my colleagues patience. I know it's already been a long day here, but I do have a brief presentation from the Aloha Animal Alliance. Hopefully, we'll be no more than 15 minutes. It's contained in communication 193.1. Because of Sunshine Law and our inability to talk about a program unless it's before us. I did want to use this opportunity to kind of share some of the things that we are working on with respect to a pilot project. It is, I want to make clear, a work in progress. It does as the testifier was speaking about require coordination among a lot of different organizations and agencies. And the location is somewhat set but also not set. We're still having... among a lot of different organizations and agencies. And the location is somewhat set, but also not set. We're still having dialogue about that. So at this time, I'd like to ask, I'm not sure if it's Lisa or Lauren, who's going to be presenting at this time, but again, brief presentation. If we can keep it to 15 minutes, thank you very much. We've already had quite a lengthy take so. Okay, can everyone see my screen? Yes, we can learn. Okay, perfect. So thank you very much for the opportunity to present our proposal to council. We are Aloha Animal Alliance and our goal is to empower people and organizations to help save and improve animal lives across Hawaii. Thank you. Sorry. Can you please introduce yourself first and last name for the record? Oh, certainly. Yes. My name is Lauren Turn I am with a low How animal alliance? Well, I'll oversee it. Okay. Sorry. Get my finger to push forward. I'm very very sorry about that. Lauren, I think you can just use the bar on the right-hand side of the screen to slide down. Okay. That doesn't seem to be working. That's not not working. You want to come back to this when they're ready? You want to table this? table until we're ready. Yeah I know we. Yes. If we can give it a minute, someone else can go first and then I will, I will round up with, with the presentation. I apologize. Yeah, a motion to table. Resolution one one five dash two five. We'll back on. Remember. Kimble and second. I'm sorry. Yes. If we can give it a minute. Someone else can go first and then I25. Move by Councilmember Kimbo and seconded by Councilmember Kilemba to table resolution 115-25. All those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with seven eyes, two excuse, council members, Kirkowitz and Vice Chair Onishi. Our clerk is out of the room right now. So we're gonna take a quick five minute bio break. We'll be back at one, sorry, 1255. right. I'm going to go Councilmember Kimbo. Yes, I'd like to remove resolution 115-25 from the table. Motion. Move back. Councilmember Kimbo. Seconded by Councilmember Kulimbo to remove resolution 115-25 from the table. All those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries six, aye. Three excuse council members. Hughes, this, Perkowitz and V.A.G. Yes. Council member Kimball. Yes. So handing it back over to Lauren to proceed with the presentation. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Again, my name is Lauren Turnbalfou. I am a co-founder of Aloha Animal Alliance and our aim is to empower people and organizations to help save and improve animal lives across Hawaii. Who are we? Well, we were founded in 2024 to address some of the root causes of our animal welfare crisis. We are a Hawaii-based nonprofit organization committed to improving welfare for animals and increasing health through innovative community programs that serve pets by empowering people. Our teams bring extensive experience driving impactful change for both people and pets across the nonprofit animal welfare and business sectors. A little bit about our team. So my co-founder Lisa Lane Carden has functional expertise in animal welfare strategy, marketing communications and fundraising, go-to-market and community engagement. Most notable, she's had over 25 years of experience, specifically in the animal welfare world. Her last position before joining me in the creation of a Loja Animal Alliance was with the Petco Foundation and she was team lead in helping to develop the Petco Love Lost application that many folks use today. Myself, I am a business person. I come from an extensive project management background. I used to work for Deloitte and Tush and several other consulting organizations doing change management process management and technology implementation for large and small companies. We also have an extended board that includes a director of medical resources. She's a licensed veterinarian, Dr. Kelly Foster. We also have Elizabeth Wing, who is a board member, whose functional expertise is in a wildlife biologist and education, and she is also a community cat advocate and volunteer for several organizations here on the west side. And our other board member is Yvonne Betz and she is expert at fundraising and event planning. She is a trustee for the board of directors for Arizona Humane Society. So in creating our organization, we looked at through community based task force. I had a team of people that we conducted five separate community meetings across the island to gather feedback from the people on what issues they were experiencing in their neighborhoods. And basically we were able to consolidate those themes into four. Number one, overpopulation of animals and lack of affordable, accessible, spay-nooter answers. There were a lot of inhumane conditions for pets and also a lack of pet parent responsibility. There is a need for education and there is of course a lack of knowledge about how to find resources and services that are already available to the community. And finally, lack of enforcement of laws that are already here. And a lot of people don't know what the laws are. And there was also challenges related to responsiveness or access to care in animal control. And this was over a period of time. So what have we been doing since we got our nonprofit status? Well, we rolled up our sleeves, and we started doing vaccination clinics. We've done four, four, five vaccination clinics actually. Since last year, we did Paolo. We did Nala Lehu. we did HPP, we did one in conjunction with a spay neuter clinic in Ocean View in January. And we also did one over here on the west side over at Paul's University in conjunction with Aloha Iliorezcu. And then just a couple days ago we completed our second spain neuter vaccination clinic down in Ocean View and we were able to service 60 pets in that process. So what of our core impact areas? Our initiatives are all strategically aligned with four key areas of focus. Expanding access to care for people who live on Big Island, reducing shelter intakes through giving people choices, and driving community engagement through getting more people to participate through volunteer activities, and then finally, establishing a comprehensive community animal information hub which would include a cat health desk. And I'm just going to talk you to take this one. Yeah go right ahead. All right. Hi everybody. I'm Lisa Lankardin, a Lawrence partner in this initiative. I want to talk a little bit about how we think about animal welfare and interventions. So what you've gotten in front of you here is what I have to call a community pet management pyramid. And traditionally governments and animal welfare advocates have put most of their resources into the second level of this pyramid, the rescue and adoption period. And if you're looking at this, the highest cost for intervention is the top of the pyramid with the lowest cost for intervention being at the bottom. Historically, we've been super focused on funding adoption type organizations and really what this does, first it's great. I mean, we need to re-homepets. This is all of these things on this pyramid, play a vital role in creating a humane community. But if you're only solely focused on rescue and adoption, it is a high expense activity. And it really ends up being an endless cycle of expense and heartache for the people involved because you are not addressing the root causes. When you direct more of your funding to these items in the bottom, it's going to cost you a lot less per intervention. So newer modern approaches show us that investing into things like assisting the owned pet population and working directly with people in need and focusing on trap new to return to field and manage, which is typically done with cats, although in other countries and areas you do do see it happening with dogs as well. We're not suggesting that here. We're really focused on the cat piece, but really investing in these two levels is going to end up having better outcomes over time at a lower cost for taxpayers. Hopefully that makes sense. But today and what we're asking for funding for, we want to talk about community cats. And I know this is a really divisive, can be a divisive topic. Some people love them, some people hate them. But either way, I think we can all agree on one thing. We need fewer free roaming cats in our environment here in Hawaii. And really what that's what our program is designed to do. We are proposing that we lean into TNR. You'll also hear me say TNVRN, which is TRAP, neuter, vet, return, and manage. And a lot of you are probably like, well, in your eyes and thinking, well, we tried TNR here. It doesn't work. And I'm here to tell you that there is some TNR happening on this island. I would say that we have not invested the resources necessary or done it in a targeted fashion. And so we're going to talk to you about today is pilot program that would really help us put in place the best practices to make this an effective and manageable program. For those of you who don't know, I'm going to use the acronyms interchangeably, but when I say TNR, I really mean trap, neuter, vet, return to field, and manage. And that management piece is key in really what we've been lacking here in Hawaii to see a real difference. This is the only proven humane and effective approach to managing community cats. There are studies. If you want to reach out to me, I'm happy to share them and walk you through some of that work. We also have an expert on our team Brian Fordus who's one of the, he's a published author on the topic and a key player in the national world around improving protocols for targeted TNR. TNR addresses the community concerns when it comes to community cats, it helps reduce overall shelter intake killing and reduces the calls to animal services, which saves cat lives and taxpayer dollars overall because right now what you have is just sort of an endless cycle of more and more cats being born on the streets. When cats are free from the burdens of mating and reproducing, the relationship improves with people is near them. What you find is a lot of those nuisance behaviors like spraying, fighting those things that are going to be reduced once you have fixed and managed cats. So our project is we're calling it the Hawaiian Community Cat Management Pilot. As you can see, we've got kind of a focus area for this project mapped out here. It's really the Banny and Direct Peninsula and it's a wide lower park. A couple of areas that have a really dense population of free-roaming cats that have just been growing over the years because there hasn't been a management plan. We also have practices in place on this island, but it's driven a lot of the TNR activity underground and so that it's even less managed than previously because people are afraid of being ticketed. And we need to bring out and standardize how we're treating community cats and educate people on the best practices. So our plan includes establishing and implementing best practices based on what has worked. Having a robust education plan to make sure that anyone involved with caretaking of community cats follows very specific protocols and management. We have started engaging stakeholders to develop this plan overall and and along with this probably probably about 10 to 15 percent of this is actually trapping, neutering and returning the cats and 90% is going to be about communication and policy development. So we've been really focused on working with stakeholders around that, both in the government, parts of the grant, DNLR, local business owners and hotels and community cat caretakers. And we're kind of in between stages two and three right now. We are ready to prepare for implementation and launching right now. We are ready to prepare for implementation and launching that communications plan that would reach community caretakers, the community at large, anybody who residing in this area, the hotel community, and other animal welfare organizations across the country. Once we have all of this in place, we'd like to execute an intensive trapping sterilization vetting and return to colony initiative in this area. This is going to involve some data tracking that will tell us how many cats we're dealing with, how many of those are fixed, whether or not they need vet care, etc. And it's going to allow us to track and manage that over time. And then really the most important piece is a lot of that track need to return has been done, but there hasn't been a sustained effective colony management and data reporting component that is ongoing, so that you don't have new unfixed cats entering those colonies. So what we're really aiming for here for the community is a population stabilization in this targeted area. So we want to reduce the population overall. We want to make sure that we're only putting out healthy cats back into the environment. That's gonna reduce calls to animal control, community cat concerns, costs overall, and help us mitigate the concerns to wildlife. If we have more fixed cats, we're going to reduce that population. There's going to be less impact to wildlife. Part of it is also kind of migrating some of the cats out of the more sensitive areas in the waterways, where we don't want them interacting with nana and other protected species. This is also going to help prevent disease transmission. Part of this is the vet piece is also vaccinate. So the cats are going to be vaccinated against common transmissionable diseases and treated for parasites and other issues. That helps protect your pet cats and keeps down the spread of those things happening. Part of this is environmental stewardship. We want to manage these colonies to minimize the wildlife impact. Some of that is migrating them out of some of the more sensitive habitat. Some of it is monitoring to really understand what's going on better and then also treating for any of those diseases, etc. that could be transmissible to people and or other animals. We're really looking at this as something that can be a sustainable model. Like, why did you pick this area and not another? We'd love to do this all across the end. And what we're hoping is to gather enough data to this effort that we can show and expand this and support across other communities. What does success look like? I want to see a greater than 90% colony fix rate, but we can target 85 and still be very, very successful. We want to launch a community cat help desk where residents and tourists or concerned citizens or business owners can reach out with help for their community cat concerns and actually do something about it. So then rather than just complaining that they're cats we can give them actual real solutions and support them in TNR and or and or re-homing efforts. We want to see a 20% growth in caretakers so that we can train those individuals to be doing T&R to the best practice. Thank you. I'm part of the interruption. If you can please summarize. We're hitting the 15 minute mark. I know you have a couple more slides. Thank you. Yeah, just the budget. So Lauren. So step one today we're asking for a $20,000 investment. This is really going to help us put in place the foundation for running this program. It includes a so investment in the tracking software to customize. We have options of two products that are widely used today that will meet our needs. But we need to we need to do some customization so they meet the unique needs of Hawaii. This will also enable us to set up our Cat Caretaker certification course and management of to certify and ensure that people understand and agree to adhere to the best practices, and that it provides us some communication equipment and operations. I know there was a concern raised about another organization named the native or who had offered to provide some software. Their software is simply a tracking map of cats, what we are looking at here is something more robust that allows us to track individual cats, their medical records. communicate and manage our caretakers as well in the platform. So really our stakeholders have requested a lot of data and this will make it possible. I'm happy to answer any questions about that that anyone might have. And this is part of a larger project which Lauren can just flip to the next slide but then I'm happy to take any questions. Council Member Kimball. Thank you. So just to reiterate, it's a very fairly complicated project. This is just the first phase. It has been developed out of meetings with community members across the whole island. This location was identified because of the particular problems we have near-shore areas so there's concern about marine wildlife safety for public health safety for residents as well as the NANA population there in the park. It also has some pretty significant challenges in terms of collaboration between state partners and different parts of the county. So we have a working group which includes map runnodes from the Animal Control, the Parks and RAC, DL and R, and other nonprofit organizations. So, thankful for a little animal alliance. Excited to get this started so that we can start to have some real data about this sort of intervention and whether or not something we can successfully implement in other parts. Thank you. Thank you ladies. Thank you, Council Member Kimbo. If there are any questions regarding the specifics of the presentation, Council Member, please reach out to the presenters after the meeting. Thank you. Council Member Onishi. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just had, like as Mr. Kimbo mentioned, that there is a working group that's happening now with the stakeholders. And especially, like in my district at the Banyan Drive, I would really recommend that if we can postpone this until that working group can kind of have an idea of how they want to move forward, then funding can be provided to the different stakeholders to help with the program. Because now we provide funding or you're providing funding to them. But then whatever the state that group that you folks have done, organized, has a little bit different philosophies. So now we kind of get like a conflict, right? And so to me, I would recommend that. Yeah, that's up to you. Thank you. Thank you, Vice-Chairn and she can't remember how you want to. Thank you. I just wanted to mention another couple unique things about this place and why we were looking at it. And it does extend over a couple districts, including mine. The hotels that are there on the peninsula also want to participate and want to see this happen. And so they've been very supportive in trying to work with us. So I thought that was good because we have this kind of public-private partnership thing going on. And just to speak to, I'll just make one comment on Councilmember O'Neill's comments, which was just that we have met, and I think the first few items that are in this first and second stage kind of have been the agreed upon points. It's kind of like what after that we're still discussing. So I don't see any problem in passing this one today. Thanks. Thank you. Councilmember Kimball. Yeah, I'll just concur with what Councilmember Kaguata said. A lot of there are still some decision points about how the program will proceed. and I have the intention of funding some of the other participants in the stakeholders through the contingency relief program. But one of the things that I think there is consensus on among all stakeholders is we need some initial data to make sure that we set our metrics that we will use to assess success in a meaningful way. Until we have baseline data, we're not going to be able to do that. So that's part of what we're providing funding for at the stage. Thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 115-25, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries with six eyes. Seven eyes. One no. Council member Onishi and one excuse. Council member Kerko-Witz. Resolution 115-25 is approved. There's any testimony for Resolution 116-25. Hearing none, Resolution 116-25. Transfer is appropriate. It's an appropriate... There's any testimony for Resolution 116-25. Hearing none, Resolution 116-25, transfer is appropriate and appropriation of a designated fund account. Credit Sainteo, designated fund accounts with a grant to Dare Hawaii to purchase KKEI ID equipment. Chancers $159 in the Quirk Council Services continuously with the Council District 6 and Credit Support Licker Control for the program's account introduced by Council Member Glemba. Motion to approve resolution 116-25. Move by Council Member Glemba. Seconded by Council Member V.A. Guise to approve resolution 116-25. Council Member Glemba. Thanks just asking for my colleague support my local police department, police station, reached out and said this could help them since they don't want to have to drive along this bar of this Kiki ID equipment. So thank you. Thank you all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Eight ayes. One excuse. Council Member Kirkowitz. Resolution 116-25 is approved. There's any testimony of resolution 117. Hearing none, resolution 117-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. Credit scene to a designated fund account, but it went into Okaukaku. for its 2025 summer fund-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku-Ku We'll be back on some member Gilemba seconded by council member V.A. Yes to approve resolution 117-25 council member Gilemba. Thank you. Yes. But that and the Dean came in as representatives of Oka Oka Koutou talk about this event. They that this organization also does just a lot of community service like like helping old folks in their homes. And so beyond these sort of celebrations, they're also out there daily just helping people. Thanks. Thank you, Council Member Glimba. All those in favor of approving Resolution 117-25, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 8-I is one excuse. Councilmember Perkowitz, resolution 117-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 118-25? Hearing none, resolution 118-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. Credit same to a designated fund account, but it grant the colonized historical society for its from humble hives to globally impact the story of colonists beekeeping video production. Transfer to $5,000 of clerk council services condenser of account, Consistricht eight and credits to pardon research development, agriculture, other current expenses account, issues by consul Marie Naba motion to adopt resolution 118-25. We will be councillor member, vice chair on issue, second member, we are going to adopt resolution 118-25. Thank you. Well, my council member, vice chair Onishi, second hand, my council member, Vegas to approve resolution 118-25. Similar to council member Kimbles, this is in the new format from my office and it's a project from the corner of historical society on beekeeping as for my colleague support. Council member member Galimba. Just wanted to thank you for this. I think I'm also my office is also working on funding it and this particular museum is actually in district six. Thank you very much. Thank you all those in favor of approving resolution 118- oh sorry councilmember Villegas. No worries. Thank you also to both of you for helping support this project and initiative and for anyone that may be in the area. This Saturday, there will be viewing of this video production for the first time at 4 o'clock at the Conn Historical Society, so it should be wonderful. I yield. Thank you, Council Member Vegas, for sharing that. All those in favor of approving resolution 118-25, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, eight ayes, one excuse. Council Member Kirkowitz, resolution 118-25 is approved. Is there any testimony for resolution 119-25? Hearing none, resolution 119-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account Criticizing to a designated fund account would have granted the Mary monarch festival for expenses related to the 62nd annual Mary monarch festival Shensworth's $10,000 of court council services continuously the account Consisting five and Park's Recreation Administration, other current expenses account introduced by Councilmember Connelly Kleinfelder. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 119-25. Move by Councilmember Connelly, E. Kleinfelder, seconded by Vice Chair Onishi to approve resolution 119-25, Councilmember Connelly, E. Kleinfelder. Thank you, Chair. I had a meeting with Adi Loana and Adi Cathy to kind of nail down what the costs were. Given the economic impact of the Mary Monarch Festival here in Hawaii, you cannot reference anything else that does what Mary Monarch does for both culture and economy here in our county specifically. But on the backside of that, there's a huge amount of cost that they take on as an entity to ensure that the very moderate happens. So she reached out to us with a funding need and I'm happy to apply. So I think my some of my council members here are doing the same. I would urge any of you who have extra funds to jump on. And just assist. This is just an amazing opportunity for our county. And I want to keep it here. Because there's been discussion in the past that it might, if we don't help, given the cost of allows to fly in airfare or hotel, it just gets so expensive that it's almost to the point where they can't come anymore. So anyway that we can help ensure that this has longevity in our colony, we should. So happy to give the forever and support. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Cunnelli. Thank you, Council Member Coguato. Thank you, Chair. Just seconding that, I will also be... I'm trying to rush through some funding right now for Mary Monarch. They're very humble and didn't really come forward asking for this and I think it kind of I think took us to say you know what can we do do you need this in order to get them to say yeah we do actually need it. So I just yeah second council member Connolly Klein Builder's statement that we if you have any extra funding and are willing to put it towards this I'm sure it'd be greatly appreciated thank you I yield thank you vice chair Onishi thank you chair I just want to say that my previous council member Sue Leeui Lloyd, she also had given money to PNR for Marybana. And I think it was like $12,000 or so. Thank you. Yep, thank you. All those in favor of approving resolution 119-25, DSAI, any opposed? Motion carries. Eight I's, one excuse, council member Kercovitz, resolution 119-25 DCI. Any opposed? Motion carries. 8 eyes. 1x6. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Resolution 119-25 is approved. Can we go back to resolution 111? There's any testimony for resolution 111-25. Hearing none, resolution 111-25 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. Credit's same to a designated fund account to assist the Department of Parks and Recreation with purchasing goals and scoreboards for the 2025 Hawaii International Food Salt Cup. Transfer is $4,300.00.00. Curriconcil Services continues to relieve account, Councillor Chiu-Chui and credits the Department of Parks and Recreation, Recreation Division Equipment Account. Introduced by Council Member Wenishi. and credits the partner parks recreation recreation division equipment account and you just by consul number one issue motion to Adapada Adap one one one dash two five Hope I can't remember only she's taking back on some member kagiwata to approve resolution one one one dash two five As I show nishi. Thank you chair. So just to let council members know that's when I got in and previously I always supported sports activities and I also now want to see where we can do statewide events to help our economy either on the east side or the west side and so I got to meet with Park Parkson Recreation Division Recreation Division Administrator Lindsey Eel and also sports coordinator, Alain White, Alain White, Mark Rosario. So I asked them what events do folks have that kind of tracks like outer islands also, but like mainland or any police house. So then they said they had this event which is called the Hawaii International Futsal Cup and they have a team it can correct me or what what I'll do then I'll give Mark the floor because he can explain more let let us all know who is participating and what are they looking at in the future. Go ahead Mark, introduce yourself. Aloha, my name is Mark Rosario with the Cognitive Hawaii Parks and Recreation Division, the Island White Sports Specialist. So in reference to this Hawaii Football Tournament, it's an international event we partner with a group from Japan and there's teams from Japan from the continent from all over this day and of course from Hawaii Island. This will be our third annual that we have this year. The original one was in Waimea, moved to Hilo at Ida Kana Koole, the Civic and Panheva. And we had over 40 teams this past event. They were looking to expand to be even more large, this coming August, in hope to get a much of 60 teams from both internationally and from the continent at all levels, from youth to professional level at least. And so it's really exciting and new and upcoming sports that's growing fast, maybe not as fast as pickleball, but definitely fast. So we appreciate Mr. Onishi's contributions for new goals and new scoreboards. But maybe can explain to the council members, what is? Oh okay, it's basically indoor soccer. So the courts are smaller, there's less participants on the courts at once and so the game is more high-paced, more high-scoring typically and aesthetically as a sports spectator that's not focused so much on soccer, it's really fun to watch. So I think it's something that has potential to grow and expand going forward. Thank you Mark. So with this, if we can expand it, we can go into different districts as this tournament, you know, I guess, expands, right? And I mean, it's not gonna, I mean, I'm gonna look at revenue stores, but generation of revenue, but a lot is gonna go back to the state, right? Like, they're gonna be renting the rooms, hotel rooms, so there's TAT, I mean, they're gonna be purchasing a lot of foods, but they're gonna be helping like our stores, right? Our drive-ins, you know, our restaurants and so forth, But the GT is going to go back to the state. So, but at least we have, you know, guests or athletes coming here and filling up our hotels, our vacation rannels, our AB and B and so forth. So, I'm looking at this to see this is the start and to expand this as like Mark was saying to like 60 or even to 100 teams and just to let you folks know what I was with the Hawaii police activities Lee we had a winter basketball tournament which started from December 26 to 30 and we had close to 95 teams statewide and we had one team that came from California. And it was a four-day tournament and it just packed Hilo. Nani Loh was just filled with just one organization, this Manoa Athletic Association. These two bring in about 15 teams to Hilo with about 200 to 300 spectators. So if you guys know about Hilo Armory on the mouth side of the bleachers up on the top was all filled with manual vents. I mean that's so much people that were coming to that event. But so I'm asking my colleagues, you have anything else to add, Mark? Um, this is part of the space that I'm on, um, there's a little one, one, two, five, just, uh, okay. Can you, um, you know, we're running a little labor, if you can just provide that, um, with council members afterwards, I want to stick, since we're on resolution 111. one one. Okay, so I'm just asking my colleagues in support of this. Thank you. Thank you, Vice-Chair Onishi. Any further discussion? Council member V.A. Yes. Just want to express my gratitude to Council member Onishi for the support of Futsal. There's a very healthy and active community of teams on the west side as well. And the sport is especially great for, it doesn't utilize as large of a space to play a game that is so similar to soccer. So I just, I'm very grateful for your provision of this and I know that the island is a whole and our local teams are really excited for this tournament to come back to Hilo. Thank you. Yes, very sure. I just wanted to mention this is of age group. You can mention how what is the age groups in this participation? Yeah, we have multiple age groups spanning from like 10 and under all the way to adults. So 10, 12, 14, Thai school to adults. Yeah. Yeah, there's open level professional athletes are attending this event, participating in this event Yeah Thank you, boys, Johnny Shia and thank you, Mr. Sorry over bringing being here today to share a little bit more Councilmember Connie Lee, my brother. Thank you. Just quickly Totally support this my kids played the foots all for years and In yellow and's dumping rain. And you can't be outside the ability to do an indoor soccer tournament, which it's really a quick, fast, high-paced game. There's a tremendous opportunity for our kids, especially on the yellow side. So really support this good job, that is, and thank you for your work too. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Coney, the E. Kleinfeld, there are all those in favor of approving resolution 111-25. Please say hi. Any opposed? Motion carries with eight eyes. One excuse, Councilmember Kirkowitz, resolution 111-25 is approved. Mahalo again for being here. Bill's for first reading. Any testimony for Bill 35? 3 non-Bill 35 of men's orders number 2432 as amended operating budget for the county for way. For the fifth year in June 30, 2025, appropriate revenues in the state grant state substance abuse prevention coordination grant account, $7,100. And appropriate to say to state substance abuse prevention coordination grant account introduced by Councilmember Connelly. Kleinfelder, by request. Chair, motion to adopt Bill 35. Sorry, motion to approve Bill 35 at first reading. Moved by Councilmember Connelly, Kleinfelder, seconded by Councilmember Viegas to approve Bill 35 at first reading. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? motion carries, eight eyes, one no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,, amendments 6, Article 2, section 6, dashed 1 of the White County Code in 1983, 2016, edition as amended relating to prohibited highways for commercial bicycle tours. Adds old Mama, Mama, Loha Highway from its intersection with Mama, Loha Street in Honoka, 246-4265, old Mama, Loha Highway at the Department of Water, Split Tank. Introduced by a customer or Kimble, Pulse Poland March 7, 2025, and first passed first reading of March 19, 2025, Convocation 1-1.4 from Consembler-Headler, or Kimble dated February 27, 2025, transmitting recommendations for the Public Works Department regarding Bill 28, and a Punication 1-21.5 from Consembler-Headler, or Kimble dated March 11, 2025, transmitting recommendations from the State of Hawaii Department of Transportation and Hawaii Police Department regarding Bill 28. Chair, motion to adopt. Campbell dated March 11, 2025, transmitting recommendations from the State of Hawaii Department of Transportation and Hawaii Police Department regarding bill 28. Chair, motion to adopt bill 28 at second and final reading. By council member Kimball, second and by council member Golembo to approve bill 28 at second and final reading, council member Kimball. Yes, we've had many discussions about this. We have the feedback from DPW, acting Directors here to answer any questions as well as H.N.H.PD. I will take this moment to acknowledge the concerns of some of my colleagues about us, you know, prohibiting bicole social tours in some areas of the perception that might lead to people that live in the area, you know, being excluded from biking in their own areas. And I do acknowledge that. I do have always had my challenges with this, but I do think that this particular area is not well suited for tour operations with bicycles. So ask for my colleagues support with the official adoption of this location. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Kimball. Acting Director, anything to add at this time? Acting Director Newell, as we don't know. Thank you for being here in case there were questions, all those in favor. Of approving Bill 28 at Second and Final Reading, please say aye. Any opposed? To motion carries, eight, aye is one excuse. Council Member Kirkowitz, bill 28 is approved that second and final reading. I believe this brings us to the end of our agenda. Council Member Hussis, take this away with our announcements. Thank you. Thanks, Chair. I'm just going to announce one if that's OK. Thank you. This evening, myself, along with a few horror state legislators led by Senator Richards, Representative Tarnis, Senator Canoja, Representative Lowen, Representative Kahloa, we're all going to be an attendance on a coconut rhinoceros beetle. We have an virtual talk story about the coconut rhinoceros beetle impacts to a islandyland and then really the conversation will be led by some of our state agencies and BISC so some good conversations about that and what community needs to do and can do and the support we need to have and provide going forward so that's this evening and look forward to being there. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Councilmember Hussis and the other announcements. No, all right. Well, Mahalo, everyone. We will have our special finance meetings starting next Tuesday, April 8th, beginning at 9 a.m. every day, four days in a row, where the mayor and the departments of our county will come before the council to share their budget for the upcoming fiscal year. So we encourage you to watch and participate in those hearings. That brings us to the end of our agenda. Our meeting today is adjourned at 1.37 PM. Mahalo. Mahalo.