you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you Yes, right. Yes, right I'm telling you tell it is meeting daughter Hi Hi. We'll leave on to the financial report with Ashley Kason. Good morning, Mayor, and Council. Today's presentation is for the utility financial asset market. These numbers will represent our typical utility enterprise phones, but we didn't include the lane field fund, this particular report for the city managers request. So we'll have that information in here as well. So a total utilities combined for net income as in March, is 6.3 million. We need to transfer revenue to 3.3 million out, instead of a left with almost 3 million of net income. And again, this does include electric water gas, wastewater, solid waste, CNG, broadband, and land field. We'll go through each one individually. Most of the difference between this year and last year are different departments, electric, brought in more money this year as far as last year, a million more dollars in sales. And then we have some grant money that we received this year. So that makes a big difference as well. So here is just the slide of the budget trans firms for the year. They won't change. But you'll see, again, the gas department is now transferred. Money to material funds. So the gas department transfer is 25,000 a month. Come on. I'm sorry. So here's electric. We've got 2.5 before transfers. We are transferring more than what we generated for the year. So $3 million leads us with the law support of $88,000. That is better than budget and a lot better than last year. As far as the net income and the differences, the revenues again, the first two months were pretty good. We received a lot more revenue and sales for January and February. Not so much as March. The expenses are not too high compared to last year, so it really is the sales that we had in the first two months of the year that really helped increase that income from year over year. Was that just weather-related primarily? Mm-hmm. Primarily. Here is water gas, wastewater, solid waste, CNG, in the in the field, and not included in the title, but Going through this, so all of these are doing better than budget maybe not better than last year, but better than where we budgeted to be at this time of March. So for the Water Department, they're at 541,000. Compared to last year, we did not receive as many tap fees in revenue as we did last year. Last year this time we had about 220,000 in tap fees. This year is about about 20,000 so that's the biggest difference. Guests, there's a net income of 320,000, we're going to have to last year. Fork Guests, this is the one that we're going to do transfer response so this is after transfers, the operating revenues, it's about 1.7 for the year last year. It has a total budget in last year. It's a little bit less than that. Supply cost is a little bit higher this year for gas compared to last year. So that's a difference in that income. Waste water, there's a big difference between this year and last year. I'm going to do a little bit of the water. I'm going to do a little bit of the water. I'm going to do a little bit of the water. I'm going to do a little bit of the water. I'm going to do a little bit of the water. I'm going to do a little bit of the water. I'm going to do a little bit of the water. I'm going to do a little most of that 1.4 million is. So I'm sorry. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. income. I'm sorry, that's my view. That's my view. Let me get closer to your view. Think about it a lot. Okay. Those numbers are right for a living view. So think about the difference between 27 and 76. That's the call put contract. Solid waste is 468,000 in that income. The revenues are about 5% for the expenses are 11%. But that is what we budgeted for it to be a little bit more. A lot of that was the increase in the lay build as old as we spend. So we increased those rates on that side. It is gonna hit their budget and expense some. C&G, we do expect the loss here for the year compared to last year and this year we're doing a little bit better than the budget in last year for CMQ. Most of this loss is depreciation. So the loss is 16,000, depreciation is 16,000. So this is a non-cash expense and a non-cash loss. So we're not losing any money. We're gonna look at that loss from Z&J. And we feel already touched on that one. Here's the Rothman funds, 722,000, before transfers and in 472,000 after. The biggest difference here, we did receive the final amount of the GPW proceeds, we did 200,000, and as a March, we received it, but we had not transferred it out to the general column that we intended to do. So you'll see that number of change in the April's numbers. But that's the biggest difference in the disparity between this year and last year. There is an extra 200 something thousand added to telecom. What you'll see here, which is why telecom is so much higher, because that's where all of those points went. But any animal transfer that out in April or it did. Can you go back to that spot please? Seeing that spot looked good. It's not. But that is the phone with all of the salaries and all of the operating expenses there. Last year I think it had the distribution and we haven't received the minimum for the first quarter this year. The fourth quarter distribution is always pushed back into last year's budget. So when will it change? Probably when we get the next distribution you'll see it come up a little bit more. A little bit more means that it's still going to be in the red. Collectively they'll all, they're in the black. So it's just how we did we out the funds and the scene in that's fun will always be the one that takes on the most expenses. But collectively back to this department, this here. We're doing the way we have this set up as my phone. The Catholic family goes back to the way this all put together 25 years ago. The video fun, it was original fun. It only went everything. It only went all the outside plan, it only went all the trucks, everything we wrapped up in that including the people that's over times that as of a bond we add in services like on a telecommunications, there's no people in that for. It's not really a true records in the nation. You have to look at it all this time collectively. With us going in the negative that are we down size of CNS? The video on is shrinking. So that's awesome. So we're shrinking employees? No. I mean, it depends on the area. I mean, there are some operations team is at the same size because they're having internet. They're out in the field. We added the support staff because we do all the customer service. But the expenses for CNS are all in that fund. So it's not a true representation of, you know, exactly how profitable it is. So at the end of the year, because an employee who's budgeted and the CNS fund is working and touching all the others. So at the end of the year or third quarter of the year, will we be making a profit for? We're making a profit now overall. That's what I was just saying. You were thinking for a million dollars. It's budgeted. And seeing this used to be a $7 billion. Yeah, back when that, was back when we had a hundred percent ownership of the internet business and the telephone business film, which there's no over that same model. I mean we used to make money from the subscribers and other communities because we were, I guess you could look at we sold it to them wholesale. But once we combined and did that consolidation that ended for us. Yep. If it becomes a negative income for us, we gave up a lot in that consolidation. What are the chances of us, if it's going to be negative, why should we be in it? We're still making money, don't we? Yeah, we're still profitable. Now next year, all the debt service will be paid for in the authority that they got $3 million a year. And so that's going to automatically give it up to $3 million in that income. Depending on how we reinvest it, the network, what needs to be done. So we're looking at a holistic plan on how we attack that in the 20s. Maybe we should see some just CNS numbers. Do you mean just video numbers? Or do you make a C internet video? We can share. And we can share to subscribe our numbers with you. I mean, how much? How much? Video subs or damn? Budget. So, and Hannah, we had her own schedule to come to a presentation last month. She got sick. She was sick and then she had a conflict this month. So, let me see back on the schedule. I think we, where we had an opening since we have public works in South-Elicin, June, or not meeting in July, I think it's August. That are called. I think we were we had an opening since we have public works in solid waste in June we're not meeting in July I think it's August. If I recall she's on that the whole CNS operation is on budget for about a six and a half million dollar net income. It's you twenty five six million dollars profit. I just we know the profit. Yeah I just I just know that CNS don't, if they don't get on the ball, would AT&T run in fiber optic everywhere? Media comm, AT&T, you know, the radio scene. Are we doing that? But we do have some fiber bills and that's part of what she'll share some of those initiatives with you. It was actually hard to firm to do an engineering analysis. I wanted to take the complete fire to the home, build out. That's going to be expensive. But in new areas, new buildings, that's what we're looking at. Yeah, we're already, we're putting in, we've got to get several areas on it. Well, we regenerate revenue from that, though. Now, video, Vpac and it's high. We were right at the cost of 20,000 video customers probably, eight years ago. And now we're down. And much lower internet customers. Much lower internet customers. Now we're down to about, I think it's about 4,000, 5,000 compared to 20,000 video customers. But again, that's not just CNS. That's just industry-wide. People don't value a traditional cable package anymore. They want. They're by street. You know, different. They want hulu's and Netflix and things like that. So I do want to mention, so collectively, all of these ones is the 400 is 72,000, roughly $200,000, without the GPW money. But remember that we're transferring at least $1 million expected this year coming this month. So what we're earning, we're going to take $1 million of that, it's a general fund, so that electric doesn't have to. So that, we need to remember that's what we're getting from the CNS, though, and in the day. And then when it's split out like this, because CNS have most of these salaries, any type of legal, they have any operating expenses, anything that comes up is typically when they hit the CNS department. But they also receive the distribution, too, when you get it, we dump it there. So you may see some losses there, but collectively we are still doing better to send the money over to the general government. So here are the reserves. You know what? We won't change for the year. As a March we're at 26.1 and you'll see how that compares to the goal. And you'll see that we've met our goal for gas. Did we have a party in celebrate? I would really like to look good that many would have. Well we're halfway. A lot of growth. Yes. In the last, what, five years? Yes. Yeah. Well, if you have a zero row though. Yep. All right. We have the recap. as a march is 6.3, transfer at 3.3, so the record for you know it in the 8th, correct the query. Any questions? So the additional, what we were transferring to the gas on a monthly basis, where is that going now? Are we? It's still been transferred. So we have budgeted to transfer a certain amount for the year. So we're gonna continue to do that. And then unfortunately our policies didn't say what we'll do with the excess. We talked about if we use it, have it replenish it to meet the goal, but we didn't actually say what we'll do with the excess. We talked about if we use it, have it replenish it to me to go, but we didn't actually say what we'll do with the excess money. I don't think we ever thought we'd get there. But so that is something we need to come together and discuss. Do you want to use that excess to assign it to a capital project? And with your guidance, we can do that. But we need to have an excess line built up. I recommend and then use that line to assign it to other kind of projects that things are going to see. Do you know off the top of your head what that excess would be just from here through the end of the year? Just a ballpark? and same we're going to transfer about $15,000 more for the next not months. Okay. So $135,000 bucks or so? Yeah. Do we have something that we need for $135,000? A lot of things we need. So that goes with the question of where do you want to assign that when you put it? I don't know, but we budgeted $300,000 for transfer to the general fund. But do you not make a budget of the limit transfer moment? You could. Or could you help these other funds to reach their 100% quicker so that we can also generate more revenue from all of the funds. You could do that too. There's a lot of different options. But remember the reserves now are set up and designed for capital improvements. So we do need to set it up in a way and change the policy that we do make an exception and say we wanna use the excess for other things other than just capital projects. Mm-hmm. But. Do any use of those funds have to come in front of us? Yes, we've never really met the goal to use them. So I would recommend that we do. Yeah, I do. I mean, that's a pretty good side-capital project along with the AMI and the acid years to use it. I mean, that's a pretty expensive project. It wouldn't be hard just to reassign us with that. So like if we have 130,000 left here at the end of the year, next budget year, we can budget the money to the news for our capital project to want. Because it's an excess of that. Go back. One. I think it's one. This one or is the other one? This one? Yes. So we're looking at water being 91%. And we have some excess in gas. How can we get that 91 up to 100? How long will it take? I know you may not know these, this off-head. In order to bring that 100, but also keep gas at 100. And then we go to water and waste. And then we go to electric and then solid waste. Is there a way to do that with that gas surplus? Yes, anything is possible. So water, I believe, is like less than two years to get to water. I think it's this year and this year. If they just transfer themselves, they'll get there in less than two years. So there's not much. We can dive into this next Tuesday. I don't know if that would be the one to tell. Or just think about it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it keeps actually some time to maybe pull more numbers. And I would think we need to take our excess amounts and keep them in the budget so we do not have to use it towards our hybrid property tax. So that we can build our budget next year using those excess funds that we have made to keep us from having a property tax. That is an option. And also, what are the things? The things that are just taking our excess funds and rolling it over to another cow. We're moving, I mean, we're moving our own, put those excess funds away and that way we can use them in next year's budget to keep us from having to, what you say is zero property tax. But you send the water, we'll take care of that right next to you. Actually I'm a misspoke, so the water is less than a year. I think waste water will take a little bit over two and a half years for waste water. In the others, electric seven years in and salt wasted a little almost not. Take some time. All right, any other questions? Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. We'll move on to the sales report and Eric Gossett. While Eric is getting set up, I would like to update the government about reserves and capital projects, but you know, we sent a letter in to Jeep of Georgia Environmental Finance and Authority. And they are distributed you all right now. Their cap on lending is $12 million for Subaru projects. We've got roughly $60 million for Subaru project. So the letter requested that they lift that cap for us and loan us $70 million with a 50% principle forgiveness. It's a big ask. You never know. So I did get a call back yesterday from the director and they didn't say no but he did say they have never done all that that size. He asked, he said, why don't you just go out and get your revenue bond? I said, well here's a problem. You know a revenue bond will cost me 3.8 or so percent and I can get his money I thought at the time I put my 1 in 3 or I think it's more like two or two or something like that now still about a percent less than that so he suggested to go ahead and put in the application for the full pass whatever we're asking for and then they wouldn't review it at the board level I I didn't go from there. So keep your fingers crossed. I see. Hey, it ends ain't up. Good. It's still, and we're talking about what we're going to do in excess, we've heard it from you. We've got over the next seven, eight years, we're going to spend $90 to $100 million in sewer projects. Mm-hmm. I want to place the stem capital earnings, Yeah, host keep popping up here. Good morning, Mayor and Council. So this is going to be the utility report for the court of period of March. As you can see, electric's energy was down a little, so the revenue, customers were up a little bit. As you can see, our trending well. We did cross here. That's because energy usage was down. I get that from weather, right? No. No, it's um, well, yes, you could argue that. Weather was perfect, too. It's uh, average temperature of the 67 degrees, so the law of the other is that you use their AC units. You can see that our turnlines well with me eggs well, and then we were actually below budget numbers on me eggs numbers here. As you can see, gas is down because the energy and the usage is also down. Our industrial oil stops producing around this time of the year for the main year. Additionally, since weather was pretty good, no one was really using. The water was up to a revenue was down, that is directly correlated with development. We are still installing development from last year, so our fees are just down. And the same with wastewater. However usage is up and the sales correlates that and develop the fees or down significantly. And sanitation is across the board. Any questions? Thank you, Eric. Eric's going to continue on with the presentation on natural gas. We are required to give you a public awareness update each year so this will check that box for us. So typically we'll have the apartment head come in however we or middle of a week survey of our third our system in the business district district so the entire department is out doing that, working with a contractor. So I'm filling in for them. So the Sheryl said that we are required to give this to public officials and this also can account to our public as well since we're in the last room. So we've got two checks and one box. So the natural gas departments dedicated serving citizens to Thomasville about providing safe, efficient, and clean-burnt natural gas as an additional energy source. The city owns and operates its own natural gas distribution system which serves approximately 300 or 200 residential customers. As a result natural gas service is really available to new and existing utility customers. Okay, so this is a federal state, uh, requirements, uh, additionally we also send out surveys that belong to the Pirocly report. We'll send that out in email to you also you can fill it out. And the regulations that dictate this are those two right there. Now natural gas characteristics, natural gas and non-totic, however, natural gas disposes option in the room. Asphyxiation may occur, and a simple term is suffocating. Natural gas is natural state, as cold as odorless, tasteless, compressible, and flammable. So then rotten smell or that smelly, you know, that you typically smell the natural gas that's called from Capitan. We actually inject that ourselves. And we do that right out of it. We'll call it the city gate. We've got a giant tank full of it. So if you ever drive over there, or the Bob has you smell strong natural gas, Most authors come from a tank, because transmission lines do not put it in there. Okay, it range of natural gas. Everyone says natural gas is highly flammable. It's going to explode if you're around. It's not true. It's got to have perfect conditions. Those perfect conditions is between 5% to 15%. So just because you smell a little bit of natural gas doesn't mean your house is going to explode. And if you smell a ton of it, the same thing. You gotta have a perfect amount of oxygen and therefore that happened. So it did notifications. Anyone that does any underground destruction knows all about the A1-1 system. It is a state law, okay? And this is also a free program to state the state. So you simply just, you can go to the website or call it. Well, one, they'll do your good. They'll take you for you. For us to see you come out, we'll mark out all the underground utilities. And then you just gotta follow, make sure you know where the lines are. And for some reason, you don't see the lines there when you are excavated with them by hand digging. In contact city, we'll come back out and we'll relocate it, see what happens. Ding-doh! see the lawns there when you excavate them with them by hand digging. You contact the city, we'll come back out and we'll relocate it, see what happened. Digging of the cations. So as far as the stats were said, digging, notify, you wait two or three days, and then you confirm all your markings. That's where you're going. Careful with hand digging, make sure it works out. Respect the area that includes all the utilities, don't damage things, just cause you do have a dig ticket in and then dig carefully. Just cause it is marked. If an individual is how an negligent it, they will be held responsible for damaging the utilities. Out of the port of Gasley, so immediately you're going to want to call 911, you smell gas because you have no idea where it's coming from. The next 911 is going to relay that to our URC. However, if you have our URC's number and you know exactly where it's coming from, what's going on? Call them, they'll dispatch someone from the natural gas department. In the meantime, leave the area immediately until others leave also. You know how to evacuate blocks at a time. When we get there we'll make the determination to include a VR and now you have Supervisor, our Super Tanker or myself and Wilkasa, the Corning, the normal fire department police and we'll let it go, evacuate somebody blocks out. Now that has not happened at a long time. Unfortunately the last time it did it happened almost hurt. It was during the road reclamation where a milling machine of some sort hit the high pressure line and then we get back way through blocks down just to save. And that's because it took so long for us to get that line turned off. And but like I said, it almost hurt. It almost injured. No, Lord, whatever you're calling, in the meantime, do not turn on any lights, smoke, use a cell phone, operate any electronics, a vehicle or anything. If you hit something that's a natural gas related, just don't move, just stop, put it in a park and leave. Same with though, I turn on a light or no one on it. A tireless park could ignite it if conditions are right. Unless you have advice that's intrinsically safe, you do not use it. Additionally, you don't have to turn off any National Guests' move about on or off, leave that to the trained professionals, and we will send them as soon as we get the call. They don't investigate it. National Guests, you can come up with any kind of residential problems with with this no, okay, no, it's a little off the thing that they've over time that starts leaking a little bit That's more the reason why we do the leaks are already annually. It's a breeze The streets everywhere right now you may see a block orange Sapphire side with some contract sounds on so we got a new contract and they brought that by sin and it is extremely sensitive. So you don't see the u-guests part of it, some of the older areas digging. I've weighed we had one over there about car wash not too far from the municipal building downtown. But it's usually tiny what we call fuzzballs. When you put some water on it, it just looks a little fuzzy. We're going to fix them because we treat every leak as a great one leak that's top of the line. However, you got a bottom which is like the reason for us. And you get a timeframe to fix that. If we have the time, we go ahead and we dig up the whereps out and fix it. And we get it off the list. That's possible. Because if you don't fix these leaks, they've come up with problems and additionally, when the public safety commission comes down to the inspection, the H2 would be fine for every issue that you have. And that could get extremely expensive. It's a city of Cairo several years ago, a natural gas technician trying to do a weld on a live network out. It did not work out. He inspired, so he was down on a hole and it might not, and they couldn't get him out. And it wasn't an explosion, it was just, and I mean, that traumatized those folks, but yeah, he died in that pit. You know? The city of Cairo had no policy against having a welding torch next to a phoneable cell cell. They do now. And they were, it was actually, they were using a coupling that was not regulated, not in the specs. So they changed all that since then. I don't remember the fine they got from the PSC, but it was several million dollars, but they were able to back that out with like training and changing out the feedings and all you had to show all this activity that you had to do, but they still wanted to pay that out a lot of money to include to the family of that employee. We want to make sure that doesn't happen. We'll make sure that that may be. So here's some additional material we send out periodically for our public awareness program. And that is it. Any questions? The health presentation is really short, but public, safety is extremely long. So if you ever want five hour course, go to the British one. On natural gas, quick question. I know several years ago there was a kind of a push where if you wanted natural gas, the city was doing some directional board drilling. What's the process? Currently, let's say you don't have gas service or somebody wants to install some type of gas appliance. What's the... So it really depends on the scenario. Let's just say it's one resident. We send everyone into the airing and we depend on how much natural gas you will be using. So let's say you get a year round appliance, typically we'll install the service for free. Now that's something, that's an average service. Now if you have some of this extremely long, they're a part of a two-inch main or anything outside of the normal service, then we will issue, you know, both typically we'll work on that as well because we're trying to get more natural gas customers. Now on the development side, we'll work even more within those individuals. We'll even open up some of our connections with a lot of the National BAS other one off for them to be able to get appliances at a much cheaper rate. Then sometimes they can even bomb at cost. And so it works out for the city when we get customers and they get to reduce infrastructure. So, well first up, give them the engineering and then they will direct them where to go. Now, we're putting in gas, how do the 2Ds come place? Yes, let them. Once I've heard, I actually had it on my list to review that agreement and make sure to dig a sign. But, plan for the old Cassidy subdivision out there is put natural gas and everyone of those houses and we did open up the our resources to do in that subdivision whether he's made contact or how let's go and we're not sure we do that to the contractor and Tanner. But we do have a to your point we got a pretty small direct-to-board rig for that's what this is for. So that's at a low cost or no cost to a directional border? No, it's a little woollen solving surface no matter what the method is. It just depends on if you have year round plots for that. If you come in with a generator, then that's not considered year round. You'll have to pay the construction fees for that one. It's typically just a tap fee and they're an old generator. If it's a small one, you won't pay any more than $1,500 tap fee. However, if you need the upside, you pay the difference in the cost of the meter. I had somebody ask me the other day about installing tankless hot water heater and they write it down. Yes, it's something on the engineering. questions, we can get them out with John K. Nare and NASCAR Supertinent and then he can ask us about any questions about it. And here shortly we should have before you a our natural gas energy of plants discount. It's called oatmeal financing, it's like we eat for electric for gas appliances. You can put that on your deal and then finance it. We charge it. What is that now? Zero percent finance, basically. What's that? We're natural gas appliances. We're natural gas appliances. What typically happens in existing customers, you know, because natural gas is in some of our older neighborhoods. So if they, if they're hot water heater or they're stove or something goes out typically when they go to replace it they may look at the you know replacing it with an electric because it's cheaper so by having that assistance here we can hopefully retain them as a natural gas customer and keep them on the system. And that goes for the same with air conditioners is Is that correct? We do have some on-bill financing. Now I do know that- But that goes to be at $75 million. I was going to ask, because I know that- That's a count. Is there a way to- that we as a council can change any of that? Or is that kind of- I know they changed some refrigerant recently in some of these HVAC systems and the new ones are more expensive where I know you go with a, you can save a few hundred bucks now if you pick a natural gas type system. Is that how would you view it? So ECG kind of determines that because it's based on pool of of water, a cash, so it's kind of limited on how much you can think of. But we just bucked it up for five to seventy five. And it is interest free. It's only built monthly. There is an administrative fee for process. I think the $400 to $5.00. You have $3.00. I'm going over. I'm trying to use this money. $3.00 a little. Actually, I think it reduces if it's under $2,000. Most people take the full advantage of the loan of 98% of the amount to make. What are the, you know, if the top you had the qualifications, like if you think we had somebody, you know, maybe just limited credit or older, you know, don't, you know, is it a purely credit score based or is it? I think if, I mean, it's been a long time. I'm honored. But it has to be a homeowner and it looks at your payment history. Yeah it is on your t-shirt. It is on your t-shirt. Air conditioner. I mean, you do refrigerators. We need to be an energy efficiency. Most people use air conditioning. That's what I mean. Oh, he helps air conditioning. You can use it for all of that. That new model is really unique. Anything you can do. I'm gonna put it on the table. Number, C or 15.2. Yeah, she's gotta be in the middle. I gotta try to get it. Don't worry about that. You can use a flat dot. You didn't realize it. Don't worry, yes. Okay. I can give you a moment. I can give you a little more detail about it. Mark Perillo and I are working on implementing very soon. I was working on team that finalized a few things for us. And you will approve that ordinance. Yeah, and like Chris said, both programs have maximum loan amount of $7,000,000 whether it's electric or gas. We're trying to make it to where our customers can take advantage of both programs too at the same time. For the gas, it does cover year round the gas appliances, but it also covers generators, well, house generators. So there are options for that as well. The, on the net and the qualifications are basically, I think you can only have no more than one mispayment per year. You have to be a homeowner. We do put a lean on the property as well, until the loan is paid off. So you have to agree to have a lean on your property for the loan amount. You can miss one payment a year, make it two, I think it's one. And then we loan amounted $7500. Now on the electric, it has to be the energy efficient appliance and the certain seer rating, the limits over at half the over 13 seer. But yes, it's, what happened being able to take advantage of both is a big, very hot opportunity for folks to grow our gas load and to give folks opportunities to. So my question was, let's say hypothetically, somebody's looking at their power bill and they're saying, well maybe they could benefit from a tankless hot water heater and maybe their air conditioners older so they could have, can they have two loans or just one loan at one time or? They can only have one on each program. Okay. So you can have a Miag loan and ECG. OK, so. Well, I'll prove him, OK. I'm sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm gaglon and ECG. For council approval. But this idea hasn't been kicked around for years. Still, I'll be able to take advantage of those programs. So we can do that currently, or we're working on it. Yeah, we're going to finalize in the meaggag program. Right now you can get the electric program up to $7500. So that's the other thing we did too. We went to ECG and we had some of the pump that up and they approved us to $7500. That's the other thing we did too. We went to ECG and we have spent a week above that up. The MCAC program was already set at $7500. We're working with Tim to design both programs to be designed very, very similar. There's not much variance between each program. Actually, there's almost none other than the types of the clients that you can call a five-four. And so because we didn't want a lot of question between both programs, the very, very similar. So we actually designed the AMGAC program because it's more lenient to be more like the ECG program, which is very lenient but has a little bit more restrictions. It probably would have caused more confusion and trouble down the road, but it's very easy to qualify for this program. But it covers on the electric side, it covers, it will cover insulation, it will cover water heaters, I'm sorry, energy efficient appliances, if you have energy efficient water heaters, stoves, generators, washer dryers, on the gas side, same thing. It will cover fireplaces. So on the gas side is a little open on what you can qualify for, but it stoves and things like that, gas drives, covers things like that, water heaters, covers those. So there are a few more things that you can qualify for on the gas side and you can't deal with that. Well, I know with the advancements in the last decade or so with a tankless water heater for example, I chose to upgrade one and it's almost been 10 years and I've been very happy with it I know a lot of people get concerned because they say oh, I don't want to gas appliance inside my house Well, mine's mounted on the exterior of my home So if I did have a leak or something like that it's at least it's leaking to the outside I know that was a concern with people and there's the efficiency ratio is so much Higher if you are gonna upgrade and the cost of those have come down. I think I paid I think I paid over $2,000 for mine and now you can get one for just over a thousand so and I just noticed that in my personal utility bill. So I just want to make sure we get the information out to people if they are upgrading in appliance and can maybe add some insulation or some other type of energy efficient plant, you know, their utility bill, the difference and they can get a new appliance and basically keep their expenditure the same. So what we're going to do to is we're working with marketing. We're going to roll out some marketing. More materials to educate our folks on both programs. We just got, we wanted to make sure we had the two programs in line with each other. We really started to push it and make sure it got pushed through what you all was doing here and everything before we really started educating the community on it. But I think we have it wrapped up. Mark and I got the final ordinance to 10. We made some corrections. And I was, I was honestly on my list to follow up and then today on that. So we should note, we've got the next couple of days it's good to go. There's a couple little details we're trying to work on internally, but should be a great resource for our work. And how much of a customer do you have to be? Meaning, let's say you currently only purchase power or maybe you only purchase water and maybe you're on great EMC for power but water for the city. You have to be a power customer. I'm in for the electric program. Right. I don't think you have to be a gas Like, say you live in Northwoods, which where we have gas, but we have radio power. So you could use the natural gas program. Right. But you're not buying utilities from us, electric. So we have no way to, I guess technically we can charge you, but we have no way to really build that to you. So we don't, you have to be a time-spoil utility electric customer. You took my exam, I was gonna use Northwoods for exam, but somebody wanted to upgrade their air conditioner unit in Northwoods. Currently, you'd have to go through it or if they chose a gas furnace they could run it through on the gas side. That's what my question was. Have people with that are one customer or the other. So that was what my question was in regards to. In the gas authority, they have a program called the gas, natural gas connection in some communities participate in it where you actually, the CDX, has a sugar with all that blood. That tackles water heaters, the stows, and other things like that. And they actually, through this program, they have a list of pre-qualified contractors that you just come in and pick out whatever you want. And then they coordinate a contractor to install that tankless water heater or a heater. And you just go to the Red Diss cost you. Well, we just don't have, I didn't see we had enough demand here for residential appliances to build a shelter like that. Right. No space. Do we? No space for one, yeah. Do we push people towards, I know what we've discussed before up here was there's certain pre-qualified contractors. For example, on the HVAC, is there a, I know there's a lot of different air conditioning contractors out there, is there a particular one, like if somebody wanted to use one that's maybe the group out of Tallahassee. How do they... So we have a week we can't specifically recommend use Royal Baker air conditioning. We can't say that. But we do make sure that we do provide folks with a list of license to contractors. You make a recommendation in a good, good sideways. So it has to be an approved, in your experience, and all your requirements and some each have your own ex-technology. Right, that's what I know there's several, you know, somebody wanted to use X or somebody wanted to use grains or rions or... They're fine, those guys, yeah. Okay. Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they use, they go through our permitting office all the time. We monitor their licenses, make sure they're on my date. So yeah, they can, but we can't sit there and say, use one of this person. Right. to do your application, they ask you who is your air condition, you know, you have to feel that out. Gotcha. And the folks that on the electric side that the contractors, they're usually a group of them that have been doing this with us for years and years and years and so we're going to be building that same relationship with our gas contractor. Gotcha. two other on the terms, again, 0% interest for how many years? It's about 60 months. 60 months? Five years. So, in five years, you need to pay it off. Actually, I would be using, I've actually seen the savings from putting in a new unit has made my lecture bill go way down and it pays for itself. I wish I hadn't known about that. I just had to be catch for mine. I've usually, I've usually the couple of times in my 30 years I've been in the house for You know, you have a lot of electric side experience, a home meal finance, a bit of rent for probably $, 15 users. I don't know it. That was what I wasn't aware of. I knew there was something about HVAC, but I wasn't aware of the rest. I know that would be a pretty big help to the community for people. And so that's where is there a link on the website where you can apply for it. So it is on the, I think it'd be, reason why I'm asking all these questions is because I wasn't aware on the appliance side, I thought it was just purely air-conditioned related. I know a bunch of people could probably benefit from this. What I think we're gonna do with that is kind is relaunch the programs together. So I'll get working with marketing on trying to. A lot of people know about the program, but things like that kind of die out over the years. People know that. You need it, you don't think about it. What's that? Until you need it, you don't think about it. Right. So now this is a great time to relaunch with the increase and the loan values, both programs being rolled out, things like that. It's a good time to do that. Right. And educate the communities. We'll keep you guys updated on how that's been all. And once Tim gives it thumbs up, you have to read your guide. We'll get you on the agenda. Awesome. Okay. Yeah. That's everything. All right. Good to be your... ...assurance. It's all this discussion about natural gas. Eric Gossett must have... you you you Thank you.