Thank you. Any one of those attendees? you you you you you you you you you you Thank you. I guess going to be a new best friend, he loves kids. Do you count to the core? You count for a core. Are you a voting member? Thank you, ex offici- ex offici- yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're ready to have called me. I think we've got a call. Okay. So we call today's April 1st meeting to order at 331. You have to roll call. Okay. Here. Here. Okay. And so first we have a of minutes. Approval of March 2025 minutes. Do we have someone who wants to make a motion? You better view them, I'll make a motion to approve the last meeting's minutes. Wonderful. Do we have a second to that motion? I can second that. Rebecca seconds. Fabulous. 332 on to the core update. Oh, all in favor, sorry. All in favor say aye. Right. All right. Now for four update still 33. Hi, everyone. Yeah, I think just quickly a great update for core right now is I may have mentioned in past meetings we had been working on recruiting some additional members to the program's team and we are looking forward to adding a energy concierge, which is kind of a more entry level position that does a lot of outreach and residential energy advising that will be starting on the 1st of May and then also a project manager that is starting on May 5th. So we are looking forward to being able to ramp up and further our impact and do some additional initiatives as we move into this summer here. And then I think, I think then just the other thing to point out is also, I believe I mentioned it. We had applied for a, what is the HEEHA grant that I talked about last month with the town of Snowmass. We are still waiting on the results of that, but the Colorado Energy Office confirmed that they are in the process of reviewing all those. They believe that they have all the information that they need for that but we'll be reaching out to me if they have any questions and we're expecting a a the results of those grant reviews and awards in mid April. So hopefully by next meeting we'll know if we're going to be able to move forward with electrifying the heating systems at the green goddess over on carriageway the 12 unit and housing over there. That's some quick hits. Any questions for Jamie. Wonderful. On to Holy Cross. Yeah, not a lot of new updates. The keep mentioning RFP is slated to be released this summer for another on system project, likely battery solar. Also, Greg, I see you there. We're doing a cool commercial building pilots. Greg, I can go with you. If you guys have any, maybe the town hall for energy efficiency, effectively, it's like a gateway that links to the existing BAS system and can help. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, let's touch base about that. I wouldn't have to go to that. Yeah, so we could touch base of that. So that's kind of a cool new program is kind of addressing more energy efficiency, more flexibility among commercial buildings. So that's great. And we're still coming along right around 80% of renewable energy. So hopefully get into that 100% code for now. That's it. Okay. Like as we kind of wrap up letter to present to council. Is there any direction you want us to include? And if you're someone call later, we can talk about it. But is there any direction you want us to include in terms of emission reductions on behalf of Policross with programs that are in line. I guess how should we approach that subject? Yeah, it's a good one. I think really, I think the need, and you always hear from us for like flexible resources, right, to help manage. And I can, Andrew, I can help, you know, write up a blur of whatever we need, just helping manage AR renewable energy supply and the need for using energy wisely, i.e. like during, you know, solar hours, night hours, et cetera, and staying off of peak. I think that's important to help us reach our targets is really what you're going to hear from us is like that flexibility that all electric can kind of help. So I'd be happy to, if you need some some footage, I'd be happy to have you the album out too. I'll just follow up on that. And so we're pretty close to having us let her hopefully in like a pretty good state. Um, do we, can we like give an amended letter if we wanted to make some additions off of the fact or present that to council? Does really think our goal is to get something in front of council so that we can at least start having the code again. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I give a big plug on your letter this week. We're talking about our goal setting. Yeah. To our resiliency, sustainability. I mentioned that you were over the pre-impressed letter. Awesome. So thank you. But we do have to divide in a meeting. We can can really amend. No, but we can we can all agree on our letter to send today. And then if we wanted to continue, because it's going to maybe take, you know, a handful of weeks until we can get on. You know, councils agenda. So between now and then we can say here, then I'm and dead. They'll be. Yeah. So we still have tables. Yeah, and I think we should slow down. Great. In order to just have some type of momentum. No, I think I will encourage you to get it to us as soon as possible, you start the discussion. Perfect. OK, so it sounds like maybe Mike, that's something you can help us on between. Yeah. We'll talk today versus when we get into council. Okay, any questions for Mike at all? Wonderful. So then the next item for discussion. I guess really quick before we touch on that. I know we had a snowmast tourism. You were going to update us on that. Do you want to update us on the non agenda items agenda items? Which piece? You were talking to the group that was thinking about sustainability and the movement on that. Okay, wonderful, great update. Two, five items for discussion. So five A, review draft letter. You mind pulling that up for us? And what he's playing that up, has everyone had a chance to review it? I said the last time I reviewed it was last night. So if you've made anything to it. I didn't get a revised draft. It should just automatically because you're on the Google Doc. So like, like, access. So for, so it didn't look for for it. So just bring everyone along the story. So our last meeting we decided we were going to make some revisions, tighten up the language and then we were going to kick it over to Tom a few days before today's meeting so he could have the most up-to-date version. Yeah exactly. So I tagged all the appropriate people for their section on your comments and everyone I think has integrated your comments into the letter. And so whatever you see is just the newer better approved version of the letter. And so I think that because we need to a period of the final version, we can do this one of two ways. We can just say is everyone comfortable and take a vote on the letter. We can just quickly go through the comments and resolve all of those comments if we want, which will only hopefully take us about 30 minutes. And then hopefully move to a vote on whether or not we're going to move forward or the letter as is. We have a preference between one or the other. Last time we tried to work through comments, it got a little complicated, so I just want to have a poll. Since we've burnt everything else, probably just go through the letter, we have a time to do it. Okay, perfect. Sorry, go ahead and do it. I'm good with that. Okay, wonderful. So just to kick off, we're giving a quick background at the beginning, um, explaining why we're writing this letter and why we're focusing on these seven particular items. So fire, water, compost, demo and waste, item transit, building electrification, and it's the inability coordinator staff to send because Greg is only one person. Um,. Most days. If you want to scroll down to fire. And really quick, Jamie, did you see the updates? Were you able to integrate those comments into your section? Yeah, I saw Tom's comments here just a little bit ago. My apologies I hadn't been able to get to this until just before this meeting. And so I was just adding some clarity around, you know, the, you know, I had spoke to, you know, the cost challenge and that's one of the main drivers to incentivize is for the town of snowmast to continue investing in, you know, grants and rebates to help bridge that cost barrier for residents. So, perfect. So we can get in step further during your section of that work. Yep. Um, okay. So, the suggestions was to put, I can speak if you put electrification number two. Well, I just thought, yeah, I mean, so we could reach it by most impactful first, right? Whatever you think is most bad. Anyway, so I don't know if Jamie's still working on edits and he can do that while we're we keep cruising so that we have something to action finalize, but maybe at the tail end we we throw it in number two. Or so I can move it. Yeah, um, so maybe what we do is instead of reading through the background, we can just trust that the person who owns this did their research and Tom also had some good comments to approve. So maybe we can just kind of quickly read through each recommendation and just say whether or not we're comfortable with the recommendation is stated. Does that work? Okay. So let's start with fire. Sorry, I'm mind going back down? We're up. Yeah, I am. Okay, fire recommendation. You want to read this? Sure. Sure. EAB strongly recommends a four-phase approach to dramatically improve fire-defense spaces around structures in Snowmass Village. which start with education, extended financial incentives, eventually to code changes, and then rules affecting existing structures. There's widespread industry agreement with supporting science on the essential practices of defensible space. These practices include both landscaping and home hardening actions. EABs long-term goals have developed strong fire protective measures in line with other mountain towns that have successfully implemented these policies. Council will determine the schedule for implementing as planned. However, the EAB urges the schedule be aggressive with a timeframe of completion in five years or less. And then the background goes into a variety of options in terms of education, incentives, code related things, and addresses the difficult thought of how do you go towards existing structures, any kind of retroactive changes. That would be definitely the toughest not to crack. And then I will support and maybe the most important because code is only about in general either new structures or chain up. We're not feeling many. We're not. Exactly. I did also because the printout was kind of hard to read. I just updated this afternoon. The Vale landscape code and a cut and paste format that will make it easier to print and read, still with highlighted things, just to sort of show what others are doing. That's the biggest. I thought Dale was very impactful, though, as well done. I think five years is a long time. You were, it amazed me you suggested we be more aggressive because I think about people like Alyssa even having challenges getting a contractor to make some changes that we could end up with a workforce challenge to get widespread changes done. Is it to have everything done in five years or I have the new sort of guidelines education arm plays of five years. Good question. I was thinking of the whole shooting match. Okay, then five years. I thought you meant, you know, where I was on the education, the code changes and all that, that being done in five years. That could be done much quicker. For sure. And actually, we're already updating the code to the 2021 International Fashion Code, which are you thinking things are being more pro protective than that code? I'd have to go back to the code, but I mean, I was thinking along lines of what you identified at the house in Mexico, and along those lines, that's actually quite aggressive if we were to make that change. Well, that's just from the insurance company. I know. I said, I know. So yeah, that's where everybody's going to have to do. So I guess my thought is that the timing we table in the sense of trying to nail any particular stow, but say, look, here's a five-year window to get a lot done. And the council can determine how aggressive that is partially based on... I would probably say three. I wanted to say three. I was going to say three to five.five years. Three-five years. So that would be at the end of the first paragraph. I was a voice of like we shouldn't be too noxious with this. No, that's noxious. That's a good job. Just to move things along, is. Everyone feel comfortable with this is the stated recommendation coming from the EAD, also given that Tom has already reviewed and has given his comments. Should we move to a vote for each of these? Does that feel like the best way to move forward? Yeah. Okay. So, let's everyone who approves this recommendation for the fire section, these they are either hands. Great. I think everyone except for Joe Joe, did you not want to raise your hand for this one? So I'm you know, I was just trying to wrap up to adjusting a couple of these. I wasn't quite sure. Like, I'll try to understand like the, I guess the excerpt from the Vail Town Code, are we approving kind of that excerpt? Be the recommendation part of the record. Like, no. That's just a reference. For example, it's included as supplemental information as a reference. If that's not clear, we could change that language or something. But it was not. Yeah. Not only do you mean towards there. So yeah, I'm an I for approval of this section. Wonderful. All right. Moving down then to water. Just'll just go over with the four phases. Are that really quick though? Sure. The fire. The four phases are education, then incentives, so education, then carrots, then code changes, and then sticks, meaning going and doing enforcement of existing structures that are not in the plan for being altered, would be like, you have an existing house, clear vegetation. Those would all be determined by part department? Well, I think it's the fire department and town staff working and lead. I just have a personal interest, you know, water department notwithstanding, you know. I mean, it would be council. And then who council says, shoot me these. Well, council wants to fire department. This, you know, that'd be a point venture kind of thing. But I think really it's, it's all this comes to council on behalf of the town. Awesome. Let's move on to water back over to Rebecca and Darrell. Thanks. I'll jump in. I mean, I had already moved, I had moved electrification up to two while we were talking here. Okay, well is Is everyone comfortable with staff drinking it that way? I guess before we do that. Yes. Okay. So then Jamie will pick it over to you on electrification. Please read the recommendation as written. Sure. Yeah. So the, as written, it says the recommendation is to support building owners to increase the pace of voluntary electrification and energy efficiency projects by increasing the town of snowmass villages. the financial investment by 20% a year over year for the next five years to provide building owners with a focus on residential units, rebates, grants and technical advising through the community office for resource efficiencies, core building performance. building owners with a focus on residential units, rebates, grants, and technical advising through the community office for resource efficiencies, core building performance hub, and associated advising and outreach programs. That 20, what's the 20% base line? So the 20% base. Yeah, so the 20% baseline of that aligns with cores goals for increasing speed scope and scale within the area here and so it kind of aligns with our Our mission as well, but then that is kind of grounded in the reality of of the of doing this. And then as we continue, what could I talk about now of just staffing up and doing so in a responsible way where we feel that we will be able to, as we continue to do more pilot projects and have a further impact to be able to actually put those initiatives forward and actually use those funding and provide those impacts to the community. So it's just kind of a number that we've evaluated with. I have a programs committee that looks at that and the core board of making sure our mission is grounded in reality but then also is stretching to be to be able to continue to further that impact and increase that speed scale and scope of reducing emissions in our built environment. But I assume the 20% is based on 20% of the 300,000 that we just granted core this year. Is that correct? Is that what I have to ask? Yeah, and exactly Tom, so it would be like basically asking to say to like take that. And if you can keep investing more as we show that we can provide the impact to continue to invest into that as the impact is shown and grows. In the question for you, Jamie, and for Mike, based on our fair share documents, the considerations were to change over about 3 to 5 percent of the built environment per year. Do we have a pathway or multiple pathways to accomplish that? The change to electrify 3 to 5% of the built environment per year. I guess I don't have those metrics directly on the tip, unlike the, you know, the tip of my tongue, I guess I would say, you know, by, you know, when you look at it from the standpoint of of greenhouse gas emissions, where you talk about in the background here, which then does plug in Holy Cross Electric as well. Kind of Snowmass Village is well positioned to greatly move forward from an emissions standpoint. Then with that additional project management, and staffing that we are bringing on, we're looking at doing targeted outreach in this area in addition to the pilot projects that we've done. to be quite honest, like with you, I don't have off the top of my head, you know, what those units are and what numbers those need to hit. But yeah, those are those are good metrics to think about and talk about as we move those forward. We just just a number. I mean, we have those from from the others studies we've done. Yeah. We do we do like we had a bullseye. Yeah, we were going to get our targets in coordination with Holy Cross. We as all stakeholders basically need to electrify five percent. I mean, there's a thousand single family homes. Yeah, we're negative. 5% will be 50 homes a year, right? Right? Fly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of my funneling of my question. Right. It's an earned funding electrification and hitting the next stages or the West Union is are there other sources for funding sites that out to be. Well, and that's why I was a question for both because Holy Cross has been working to program to help work with us on electric patience. Yeah. By the way, I'm thinking about this. I personally, I know Jamie has spent a lot of time on this. I feel like if we could move forward on this specific recommendation, I would love to see like for this upcoming meeting, it doesn't necessarily used to be in a letter, but we need to have some sort of understanding of like, like what is the breakdown of built environment conversion versus like new builds? And if you can show like some sort of a chart, this is what, this is how we get to 20%. And like 1% for like the next three years is with new builds. And the amount of converting existing homes is, you know, $40,000 on average. And so we know that we can subsidize and like really push people to do that by like that level of analysis, I think would be super super helpful. We have it. We have all of that. That's why I'm concerned on the five, we need to minimum 5% electric case. I've got some realistic. Right, so we at least need a program to incentivize electrification both commercial and private. Yeah. So you know, I'm saying, it's not a bit bold. You know, it's a stretch, but I guess that's what I'm saying. Like Jamie could say, if we only like we're able to do five homes a year, like what would what would we have to do then on? Like other things in order to make up for that 20%. Like do we have that level level of analysis? So if we have x-number comes that we're retrofitting, then we have x-number around. I would suggest you go the other way, which says, if the numbers 5% year or 3%, whatever the number is say, I would make your recommendation to achieve the goals that are established, we have to do 5% a year and that's probably going to cost X amount of money a year. So the town's aware of what it would have meant right now the town's going to put in 300,000 and maybe there's another 500, 600,000 required. Can we share how we can find that money? I think that's just the biggest gap in our in our in our the knowledge we need to fill is what is the average cost per Square foot that we need to electrify and if two years ago it was 3% every year of commercial and 5% of private What what is that cos landscape? What is life? Yeah, and I think that's kind of a still the the barge gap we. And I would put that in the letter somehow. The better issue. So I'm excited. We need the exact numbers of what's going to cost the town. But order to be a magnet to nearest would be very helpful. So people are talking, it's not $100,000. She's a million dollar issue. Right? So should we rate as things have put in an amended letter letter just again so we can get something to count. Yeah, I think it's a good idea. It's a very amazing thing. Jamie, can you take that as an action item? I can't say. Yeah, I can't say anything about where I'm getting these numbers from. Yeah, that'd be great. And we can put it on the agenda for next month's meeting. Does that work for everyone? Okay, so again in an effort just to of trying to get something out. Is everyone okay to approve this data recommendation? No, we're going to be building in an amended version with this analysis that Andrew and Jamie are going to work on together. If you approve, please raise your hand or say aye. Aye. Aye. Wonderful. Great. Moving right along. That's really. Water. Okay. I can make this very quick. What is in front on this document is a very modest recommendation. And I can just tell you that. The bulk of my job is focused on this now and will take some time. And that. And that, so in other words, if we were to put a full plan together, it would look closer to what Fire said. But I'm not ready for that. And there's a lot that I'm actually doing and working on the next six months to deliver to our water board, a strategy on that. So the very modest recommendation is the town takes the steps to fully evaluate all town irrigated spaces for irrigation efficiency in the next three years using a third party assessor. Based on the recommendations outlined in these reviews, irrigation systems should be upgraded to maximize efficiency if they are not already in place. This should include weather-based controllers, rain sensors, and high efficiency heads. And in the background, I address some of the other things, actually, Tom's feedback in terms of where things need to change on the private side. And that's where the bulk of my energy pays. He only had one shot for the impact of this letter. And so, I would like to see in the recommendation, you can caution it the way you just did, but you'd say, you know, the water department's working on stuff. Yeah. We'll come back to you with that later. You know, but get it in the letter. So, it's a portal. All those people think all we got to do is worry about the parks that we're watering. And that's and the problem. I will also water and to include my note to you guys, the only issue firefighting, because you guys can't fight a big fire, right? And that's noted in the fire section. You did it. Yeah. Yeah. So here's here's what I put for that question. Thomas might not be strong enough, but SWSD is currently pursuing several initiatives to reduce irrigation use and private residential commercial spaces. Greater efforts are going towards enforcement of the three day week watering schedule and the tiered rate structure means that high users pay five times the cost per gallon and the lowest users. The district is also reaching out directly to high users, making them aware of their disproportionate use and informing them about funding that is available to incentivize irrigation system upgrades. That's a, yeah, but that's in the background. That's in the background. I would put something in the recommendation or else it's going to get missed. Just refer to it in the recommendation. On the private side, we're working on this. OK, come back to you. But so then we say means are on the private side. Let me wear some of that while we move on. Exactly. Yes, I just want to come in. I'm shocked at the size of turf that gets installed and kind of major retrofit new construction on the private side. That's one of my primary objectives is to present to our district board some revisions to our rules or recommendations to the town code related to either development or redeveloped properties. So it's very similar to the fire situation where somebody builds a new house and at that moment we could step in and say, okay, you can only have X amount of turf as a percentage of irrigated space or irrigated lot, sorry, percentage of lot. Those are the types of things, but what we, the board, our board is wanting to do is to look at those existing ordinances in a variety of other places and call through and get the best in terms of clarity of language and sort of a justified, you know, way to march that way. I don't know if that makes sense. So. The suggestion then at the end of this paragraph, why don't we add in the EAB? The EAB recognizes that some of the largest savings and water can come from the private or residential sector. We know that the no-mouth water, yeah, and the no-mouth water department or district is doing a study over the next six months. We will continue to watch, Exactly. And we hope to update council on set of recommendations for more of my says. Yeah, that's great. Can you type that? So. Voice to chat. It's the same 40 people. I know. It looks like I can't. I'm not depending you. It looks different. So in water. Is there any interest to work on kind of the just amount of water that gets put into. concrete culverts and we fail to infiltrate into the landscape, which would reduce our reliance on watering and also improve kind of fire protection. I mean, there's a lot of science like the negative benefit. Yeah, I mean, and that's a big topic that the town and basically all flowing water in ditches and culverts and stuff is town is a town topic and not a water district topic. So all stormwater you're shaking your head. I don't understand what you're thing. Stormwater is... All stormwater anytime, anytime water, the snow melts, anywhere in some mass village and enters a ditch. The town is designed those ditches, maintains those ditches and how it's directed... Oh, it's stormed right now. Yes, so that's what you're referring to water that comes off Which is included in that unless you I Mean essentially You're talking about brush Creek. Yeah, the derivatives and This is more of a staff discussion Not to bring this to down the level, but yeah, I mean it it's a complex question Joe is the short answer to but regardless of whose jurisdiction it is if there's an important each sustainability issue there it should be addressed and you figure out who's dealing with it I'll go in for a second. Yeah, I was. It's one of the highest leveraged things we can do. Like keep surface water like on the surface instead of shoving it in culverts where it can't have any environmental benefit. It feels like you're likely going to be doing some of this research over the next six months and this is is going to be part of your study. Is that fair? No. Okay. If that once, if that needs to be a research, I don't actually feel like I'm the most qualified to do it. It has everything to do with stormwater runoff and how you engineer that and how that works with existing zoning and properties and all that kind of stuff way beyond me when I'm focused on water consumption. So it then feels like if everyone is okay with this last sentence that I added and then we can change it if we need to. But the AAB will work closely with SWS Steve to integrate their learnings over the next six months to have a more aggressive recommendation to implement for the town's optimal benefit. And then in addition to that, we can say the EAB also strongly recommends that we that surface water or I don't know how you want to phrase a joke, but like surface water is further investigated for like more town benefit or something like that. Because that's really your concern, right? We're talking about, right? Well, hi. Well, it's put water in the ground. It has no ecological benefits. Right. Wildlife to insects, to birds, to a lot of ground. Yeah. We're touching a fine. Higher protection. Stormwater as it relates to the town is a lot different. But Joseph's recommending it. What Darryl is talking about, and then what Tom is being confused about, which is everything. And we can spend 90 minutes in the conversation as soon as possible for what. And I don't think that's important. But if there is an issue that should be part of a recommendation about surface water, then we put the issue in the letter without necessarily out of solid. I'm not quite, because it's first time I've heard this up frame, I fear out of it. It's an issue. I've got a joke because he's front of the sub of a couple times. Yeah, I feel like I understand. Please, try to break to the table. So as rush street comes off of the hill and as it goes under Fanny Hill, it gets divergent to the cold right thumbs out on my delgol, but well that was yeah. But Joseph is arguing that that water would be better used in a natural flow state, which it's already an engineer crazy, so he can put past that, but having infiltrating the forests, make greener forests, more fire resistant forests, it's not quite that black and white from an ecological standpoint, but the point still hurts that we can stop engineering waterways or open up opportunities and less engineered waterways, it might have more ecological benefit. I would, yeah, but then, and then the other side of it is, well, it wells are after the fact, you know, and there's development, there's roads, and there's all kinds of things of being back at, but it's worth looking at it, right? So maybe part of the recommendations is something of the fact of, we also recommend a future study of more beneficial use of storm, water, rut off or whatever. I don't know how you say it, but you don't have a recommendation of what should be done, but you recommend that maybe it's something that should be looked at. It almost feels like the recommendation should be the EV also asks Townfall to better understand storm water, like water rights in our area, storm water, and the best of those things. You must understand that. Yeah, it's definitely that like Darrow comes with like some other and like a time representative, someone else, and then like a conversation that's had like you know yeah and that's why I said this is really a staff conversation. So I hear you about not one you we have one shot I guess my thought is there might be a letter next year and which is got what I would prefer to put something forward in front of the council council that's clear, well-reasoned and understood, then something that's not. I think council, I understand that, but council also would like to understand the scope of magnitude we're talking about. Okay, you know, like it's what I say, listen, it's not stopped with just better water in it. Parts, right? Yeah, let us know there's other stuff we got to be looking at, but maybe we don't have solutions. Are you going to break the subject? So then maybe it's a note of somebody typing. But could it be for additional future study needs to be done on surface water, water, runoff patterns and how that could perhaps provide. Or a lot of ecological sustainability or so. I mean, it's super sticky wicket. It is diverting is an existing stream into a non stream is. Involves legal and ecological issues out. I don't even know where to start. Right. But so does all this stuff you've said about fire, right? So I know, because that's our jurisdiction. Well, I understand, but, well, diverting a stream would be effects downstream users with rights in a way that they don't on our fire. I totally understand. Okay. It doesn't mean you shouldn't address it as an issue if you think it's an issue. Doesn't mean there's a solution. But what do we have written? I can't read it. Yeah. The town takes up to fully evaluate all town under irrigated spaces for irrigation efficiency in the next three years using third party assessors based on the recommendations out on these reviews. Irrigation system should be upgraded to maximize efficiency. If they're not in place already, this should include weather-based controllers, rain sensors, and high efficiency heads. The EV recognizes that some of the largest savings are on the residential private side. The EV will work closely with South West and SWFD to integrate their learnings over the next six months to have a more aggressive recommendation to implement for the town's optimal benefit. EAB also recommends that the town analyze storm water systems that recognizes that additional research needs to be done on the ecological benefits of natural waterways. It's a little wordy, but it's a beefy. It's a hybrid. I'm out, which is the first sentence. I would change to two years to set a three years. Three in first sentence. I love that. There's no reason why we got to take three years. OK. To improve our watering system, right? We can do that. I just want to be nice. People don't mean nice. People are going to hate me. No. OK. So everyone gets to move forward. Thank you for the words you met. Yes. Okay, so everyone gets to move forward with the word Smith. Yes. Okay, so everyone who's good to move forward on set a recommendation, please say I raise your hands. Anyone opposed Joe and I know what you're okay. Great. Perfect. Um, um, fancy, your fancy consultants like the idea of, of, of creating a premier paddleboard from, um, Blake, all the direct center and that is open source water way. How would paddle board that all the time? Yep. Maybe break that if you do it. The way you stop and are like, you know, two beavers, we can keep them. I'm not touching that one right now. And three more sections to go. So, Pompus, we recommend that the town council initiate a pilot program in coordination with Pondas de Más Village, Solid Waste and Recycling and at this program it's not peaceful for the town and organizations such as Tom's suggestion. Evergreen Zero Wage should be contracted to facilitate organic hauling from participants. The pilot program would allow us to understand any operational hurdles to disposing of composable materials during this time for more extensive adoption by all commercial spaces. We also suggest requiring all on mountain skiing, thank you P.S. All on mountain skiing company restaurants to compost in the kitchen as they currently do, but also in forest composting and restaurants as they currently utilize compostable materials, which releases more methane when added to the regular waste stream, but they do not have enough compostable bins to make it obvious as to where to trash your items. Sorry, that's a monocentance. Simply said, we also request that all on Mountain Ski restaurants have an active and fairly marked composting program for pre and post-posting or organics and move as such as possible to reasonable tableware to reduce post-post-posting or transmitting or transiting. And the first time, you asked for a pilot program, but. The pilot program is, well, I guess that's in okay. So the pilot program is to get 10. Up to 10 commercial spaces. with the amount of, just to explain. I'm going to throw it in the water. Yeah, fair. Yeah, please. You want me to roll it? Yeah. Yeah. So it's 10 commercial restaurants that would be in this pilot's agency with the digital hurdles of it. been honored. Comments, feedback? My big question was, I don't know, how do we feel about this 10? I don't know how many restaurants there are in Stomas Village. I think that's 10. I think that's pretty good. Yeah, up to 10. Yeah, up to 10. Well, I say 5 to 10. OK. It gives it a read. It won't want less than 5. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Perfect. Looking back to all the times we have every feel about this with that change. Good job. Good. Yeah. About my fourth day in Javu when I think about with Sam and Joseph and all the, let me give us a good shot and it's been really tough. So I like Town of Gancell taking it over to see. Peace. Let's try. Hello. Okay. All right, so should we move to vote on this and move on to the next section? All in favor to approve. That's written. Raise your hand or say aye. Awesome. Joe, can't see your hands. Are you ready to approve? Have comments. You got to unmute. the only thing I'm wondering about is the tightening up of the language. So do you need to do that now? Yeah. Before we move on or could be done on the side? Well, there's no So it's a good change. Go right there. OK. I mean, it's just like three sentences could become two. Yeah. Yeah. OK. We could do that later. All right. Moving on to construction. Definitely. Okay, I mean, it's just like three sentences could become two. Yeah, yeah. Okay. We can do that later. All right, moving on to construction demolition. This is again. So the recommendation here is to work with the Picking County landfill to track five construction jobs through green halo, a software that helps track waste management for construction projects. Currently used by Pickin County and those adopting CME ordinances, who adopt a similar construction and demolition diversion for his late 2026 or early 2027. Adopting a complete demolition and construction change in code would depend on our kickoff date and the to collect one year of data. A full time hire may be required if an ordinance is passed to monitor within Green Hayley. However, there may be some opportunities to partner with Picking County as they have provided a resource to the city of Aspen until they hire their staff member. Our full recommendation is to hire this full-time employee or find a part-time employee to manage and roll out the same ordinance as the city of Aspen, the limit confusion for all contractors working in the valley. I mean what as a leader of town council, what is your guys perception of what's been rolled out in the town and the feasibility of mimicking that here? I mean, that's a question. I haven't had a presentation lately, but I think the last time something presented to us about it, I don't know where Tola was working very well. Am I correct on that? lately but I think the last time something presented to us about it, I were told it wasn't working very well. Am I correct on that? I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, and she said that it's been working really well and picking county has actually really supported them to get it to the ASDFF program, has helped with teaching, grief and halo. They've even provided temporary headcount basically, which is county staff to do monitoring before they've been able to hire the run person. So it seems like it's going well. Good. I mean, I think council is very much in support of all this. It would be probably, huh? It's only money. So, but yeah, I mean, that that's where it comes out to. But is this the problem? The contracture puts up the deposit front and then I guess you can actually make money because a lot of these people are going to forego it and collect them the whole deposit. That's a really strong problem. It's a revenue stream. You look at all the branches. I think that's what we were following tax. It's tax. I believe the ordinance was just changed recently, like in the last 12 months. So if the presentation wasn't in the last 12 months, there are. I'm just trying to remember what we last heard. But yeah, that shouldn't deter you from presenting this. It's very specific. Officially, that's very different. Yeah, but yeah. But I, that should not enter you, you should put this forward. Absolutely. They should have, not not going to rush with you. Fine. I wouldn't fair a little. I'm going to write your draft. Okay. So anyone who is willing to move forward with said recommendation. Raise your hand or say aye. I mean, I pulled it too. I think that's like it it's half me, half you kind of changing it. Yeah. Okay. That's on great. All right. We're good to move on to the next section. Item transit. Andrew, it again. All right. Pretty simple. Kind of a top phone for the recommendation because basically the recommendation is that we are asking Tom Castle to initiate a work session with East West Partners and one of six logistics to understand if there's any potential mutual benefits in last mile delivery solutions. So I'm basically the reason we want you to have a conversation as you alluded to in many of us know. Once you... I'm basically the reason we want you to have a conversation is as you alluded to in many of us know, once East West finishes their final building, as they do, they're probably out of here. So why would they want to take this on unless there's some sort of trade off? So they basically told one of six logistics, who is one of six logistics, is a logistics firm that managing the underbelly of Vail Village to remove all commercial trucks from the Vail Village, running to seize up there. Like, well, that's, I mean, that's in the background right here. And I responded to your comments. Yeah, I'll break it. Yeah, so we read it. Okay. So basically, we're having trouble is because that is a private enterprise, East West has said we don't even really want to talk about it unless it's an issue for the town. Other than that, let us be. We did identify their space in the garage as a suitable work place for 106 to operate. Here in base village. Yeah. One of the big operate. I mean, there's right behind where the buses go. They're service. They're service doctors. Yes. Okay. Yeah, they're service dogs. I couldn't see a semi-glover. Yeah. No, no, no, no. They're service doc there. Okay. I went in with two of their principles. And they said that we believe it. believe that given the space and they've provided a little dark little image today that we could scroll down to but it's kind of an awkward recommendation because we feel at a standstill where it's worth exploring yeah but at the same time East West is saying we don't care less the town cares and so they're not really even willing to talk to to when you're think about, I mean, what kind of items would be, is all every package that comes in, they would start small and then they try and move to absolutely everything. Yeah, so if you're a restaurant, let's you break it, because they're system working real. You're a restaurant in the main drag. you don't want to jam up Main Street or Nallyway with your big Cisco truck if you're getting your food order for the peak. Yeah. So instead they do a transfer of the trans living facility in 106 West, does logistics of accepting storing and then delivering to each restaurant. So what would be envisioned here is a store like Andrews, instead of having a liquor truck parked out front at the center, would go to the chance loading facility, and then they would deliver any smaller, more efficient vehicle, like an electric car basically. And in a consolidated thing, rather than having 10 trucks with each partially full. Right, yeah. And it gets one delivery a week, as opposed to 10 smaller ones. Yeah, and I mean, it certainly certainly we agree from a staff standpoint, it's a great idea. Yeah, we're talking just basically. It's interesting. So it's because we just have no good stop for it for it. Right. And so I like talking about recommend because they had a sweetheart deal recently where basically they were able to purchase the city was able to purchase a warehouse. And it was basically the purpose built already for an operation like this. We don't really have, I mean, you know, I'm expensive, but it's built housing just behind here. We don't even have flat land to build a facility. I probably would have done already if we did. I think the real win would eventually be to operate this arm of logistics for Aspen and SoMass. And it's way out of my pay grade, but just for theoretical, the C-DOT property on the intercept plot were to receive all goods for Aspen SoMass, you eliminate trucks going to both towns. Absolutely, that's why I think you should bring it up and off. Is there a better term than item transit or is that what to use? Because it's hard to translate this. Sustainable translating facility is the industry term. You got to put that. It's like last. I have a degree to say. Because item transit.'s not quite clear. We talk about moving people or stuff for. I mean, I'm African. That's the other term that you use to spray transit. I was thinking, yeah, free. Free transit in just X. Is that, yeah? I like it. So how about I like to sustain both? What was the term? Sustainable transit. So yeah. Well, so a truck wouldn't necessarily come to the center and drop there, and then go to base village, and then go to the mall, and then go to the divide, right? So if you want to scroll down, they gave me a little ETF that's just below this as an assumption with some assumptions on, you know, truck trips they can reduce and emission reductions and so forth. So this is something they provided today. Some probably odd. I give it a sexier term. Nobody could understand sustainable. Existing sustainable. Can't breathe it. Usually the sustainable. Trans. Trans to snow. No one knows. No one knows. No one knows. No one knows. No one knows. No one knows. No one had to try this. It's like a sex neutralist. And I'll stop. But like I as mentioned it. The only reason we're bringing it up is because it is worth a look. Absolutely. But we're at a, we're at a standstill between the various stakeholders on having a discussion and the solution. We're as human to break the issues we ought to be dealing with. Right? Yeah. And some of them all are team for solutions, but you can't have them all. That's great. The real solution, I think, is to eventually work with the town and the, Aspen and the county to just eliminate trucks from going to both towns. It seems like the request is to initiate the conversation. It's a very some Aspen can't have figured out how to drive into town. That feels really good. It's only, it's only only six years to discuss, right? Yeah. This is a recorded line. I don't know if everyone in the corner is the essay recommendation, Slower. So please raise your camera or say aye. Are you good? Joe, I can't see you, but as your cousin, I'm gonna be your proxy, moving on. I'm gonna be the best. Great. Can you copy that title to our seventh full appointment on the first page? He's on it. Yeah. And good. Okay, sustainability coordinator position. I actually, Jamie, you worked on this, right? No, it worked on this. We did. Cool. I don't remember. All right, so the EAB strongly recommends adding an additional headcount to the town of St. Thomas Village staff because Greg Meens is an assistant and to focus entirely on these items and more as we aim to reduce our emissions by the express goal. If we do not do this, we are putting our town at risk. Wait, we are putting our town at risk by putting our. That's not putting our best foot forward to combat a fast pace climate change, that will impact our tourism, our resident safety and our villages future. Yeah, I think, you know, my criticism when you brought this up before, it wasn't clearly defined, you know, what was this person that it do? Now that it's more much, you identify what six or seven different areas and you be addressed and need somebody to do it so okay you know anything else we need to add into this recommendation yeah where the money's coming from but that's your chocolate okay recommended letter but it wasn't it wouldn't be very popular with the friend on the call. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. We're going to be so. Yeah. Definitely. Money. Sustainable source of funding. Yeah. Okay. So are we all good to move forward on state and recommendation? If so, raise your hand or say aye. Great. Okay. And then the next steps, EAB asks that the council review this letter and select the AAB to speak with council on this recommendations. And any appropriate next steps at a council meeting, we hope to bring along essential stakeholders, including someone who represents climate-focused staffing for neighboring town to answer any real-time questions on staffing workload and possible barriers to completing our goals. I'll tell Tom now that Aspen has 11 people in town. I know. I know. Um, he's still getting fair out of driving the town. But he's not fair. And my, I'm just throwing this out. There's so much here. You know, maybe there's one session. I come and you've the broad outline you talk about, but there might be a whole separate work session just on fire. It all started work session about water. There's a lot here. How do you uncover it all in your one piece on a call? You lose everybody. So I think the first time should be big picture, all these things without going into the weeds too much. But then what do you think? You're looking to be skeptically. You know, you eat an elephant. Is that you know how you eat an elephant one by was a time the time? Right. Yeah. Yeah. And there's really important stuff you guys done a great job. And this is exactly the kind of supports council needs. I think it's going to be very impactful. And it's really important. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So let's maybe switch up this last next step then to reflect on suggestion. What would you like me to ask? Um, uh, I guess we want to ask the Riverheatis letter and select the eab to have multiple work sections, sessions on each subject. No more, fit. As they see fit. Maybe you make it as a suggestion that perhaps you come once with an overview and then can come back and follow up meetings as a council, these fit. You know, we've got a little bit of a scale one scale. So it's a little bit, you know, you know, you know, with the council sort of feel that out. Great. Okay. All right. So with this, do we make a motion to put the players into council? I think we can't, can we do that even before we just clean it up, you know, for things like TOSV having small those bigos. Yeah, once you approve it, no, nothing of substance can be changed. You can make edits for clarity, but yeah, there's no new ideas or new ideas. Okay. When would you, if we approve that, when would you like just the cleanup version? Every splutter. And I suggest you guys approve it today. And but you're going to send a clean copy around. Everybody can then comment at that sort of grammatical level of the issues, right? But what can be- I think maybe we want to have one person do a fun, because I think this is what that kind of tricky towards the end that is tagging multiple people into their sections and then I was making edits and then they were making edits on edits. So you'll do a great job. Okay. I'll do it. You can just take half an hour. Perfect. Great. So all those Joe, can you be on the video or go off mute? You need it, right? Is it about something? Is it about something? No, no. But you need it for the vote or no? I think you probably took it all. If he's off camera and he's muted. But it's evening. No, we have enough, we have enough. Okay, so all those in favor of approving set letter to council, please raise your hand or say aye. And then afterwards do a big high pass. Yeah. All right, good job. We're good to move forward. Good job, everyone. Wow, I'm ready for a drink. Well, I thought Sundance was underwriting today's session. I'm ready for a drink. I thought Sundance was underwriting today's session. I'm ready. All right. Sundance on your shop upstairs. Yeah, exactly. Neither one of them will help us clean up the chromatic. But why, Andrew, will you be shipping your butt? Sustainable trends whenever. That's an electric vehicle number one. But the 5% X size tax could be a way to potentially fund. In addition, I mean, there's a lot of money going where the 5% excites are ready to go on. So. I love the salmon and Greg. Exchange blocks. It's a restricted fund. So okay. Never mind. So if we want to fix up the upcoming agenda items. So this is obviously a pretty big lift. And that's been a lot of our focus. But you want to do for next time. Take the next. I'm not a spree-cake. Spree-cake. She is that- a lot of our focus. But do you want to do for next time? Take the next step. No. No. I'll speak right. Tina's I don't know. You blew that. It's nice to know that. I don't. Yeah. The one thing I actually be really interested in, because I know that like where's the money coming from has come up multiple times. Does snowmets have a tourism tax? What does that money go to? Tourism is a matter of time. It goes to a market, a tourism marketing and housing. What's that tourism? It's the logic tax. The tax on lodging and it was approved by taxpayers by voters rather. And originally it went straight to just marketing of the tourism group. And like two years ago we had a voter issue where we can use what's not used for tourism, where it's housing, those are only two uses over tourism. But how much is our tourism budget? A lot. That's something I'd love to explore. You found an element about under other people. That's not hard. No, I know. I mean, could we have someone in common speak to us now? It's all, I don't have any access to it. I mean, we talked about it this morning. We would have to go to the voters to use that money for anything other than those to use. But it's an ordinance. Oh no. So that's a Colorado tax law. Yeah. Any changes tax policy go to a vote. Yeah. Is your question just where is the money? How is this town funded general? Well no, because I know that I mean there just there has to be some that there has to be some tax money that is currently being used for things that are not for local uses. And so I am really interested in understanding that. Well, I mean, Greg, I'll give you a link to the town budget. You can see where it all goes. We go through it greatly. We spend months going over in the fall and there ain't and then we review it for about three months. It's council. I mean there's nothing left over. There's nothing extra. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing left. If snowmast's tourism budget,, like someone told me that there's a billboard in access. Yeah, but that's chicken and egg. If we don't bring those people, we don't bring those funds. And then there's less tax on the food time we've heard. I don't know. I heard it from someone else. And I don't remember where I heard it from. There is a billboard in outside of one of the airports that we serve. Sure, but like, do we need to have a billboard? Yes. Yeah. We need to bring the people. Right. So, as we got that, you know, you know, you know, fence targeted ads that cost like, then some of the dollar. I'll just tell you more. And it's, it's, that's the only can't climb. We can't touch that money. We tried many of them. We tried this morning. With the voter change, which is a big deal. Yeah, really big deal. Okay. All right. It has to have time and man hours preparing that balance. You would be less than what you're or more than what what you're saving from that bill. Interesting. Okay. We have an amendment to discuss eventually from Jamie related to the questions you were asking. Could that be next agenda? I don't know. Proposing this workload for Jamie. So, well, it kind of goes over to Mike Land. Because Mike, you guys are had the, gives out of the secret financing on financing program. For a little while, I guess, is there, is there a day, a hard date for something like that to be piloted or to be rolled out? Yeah, I mean, it's currently, we're currently piloting it. You know, I think it's just a matter of how many people will get enrolled to get access. We don't have unlimited on bill financing mechanisms, but we can certainly utilize it. We just need to get an idea of how many members are going to enroll in this and how many We are going to utilize this on bill repayment program. So if there's somewhere that the public can learn about that or even sign up to be able to. What we have, we have a message yet because it's still on pilot phase. I'm trying to anticipate a rollout. I can't give you like a hard date. I'm hoping this summer, you know, we can roll it out. But that's kind of what we're trying to get our arms around is, you know, if it goes gamebusters and we don't want to, you know, run out of funding. But I think I would anticipate that this summer. And I was going to add that into this. I think that's going to be a good program to include on some of the costs savings on the fuel switching side. And other than your guys moved to renewable generation, that is by far will be our biggest opportunity as a town to reduce emissions. So it's a familiar with kind of what they're toying around with. I don't know what this file is now. Yeah. So it's effectively, we would support upfront capital for a heat pump project. Joe's very worried about this. And then you would repay us 0% interest over a 5-10-year period. And so that's kind of how the program works in terms of, so you're not doing a cash outlive or using a different pregnancy mechanism at 0%. Yeah. I mean, for the first time, I think you're converting a gas user to electricity user. So it's a little self-serving. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah. I'm not going to name it one one. Yeah, we're in the same. Yeah, I mean, look like that, that, that program, like, really changes the economics of electrification. Yep. Right. And frankly, I almost think that like. The electrification budget resources, like marketing. I think there's opportunity just to piggyback on top of that Holy Cross program. Like, they're doing 15,000 from Holy Cross. Like maybe we do, you know, we set up whether it's like a thousand or $5,000 or like incentive on top of that and kind of co-market that and see how much adoption we can drive. Like it, because yeah, I mean, we're also exploring other low interests, you know, financing partners on this. And so, yeah, I mean, this, the, in all honesty, yes, it is self-serving and supporting feel certain but it's gel medicine, it totally changes the economics of this. And so, I think we mentioning that, whether it's whole across existing programs or future programs, I think is pretty criticalness from the cost. So you're letting that comm a question? It's sort of the elephant in the room. That'll get asked. You guys come to counsel. If somebody converts from a gas furnace, a fairly efficient gas furnace, for private home to keep pump, and forget the cost of the capital cost of doing it but is there energy cost or less or the same. So go ahead, Jim. I can answer. I've had the well over a dozen, you know, professionals from the Valley through my house to give us quotes. Well over three quarters of them came in and said, whoa, gas is really efficient. This heat pump stuff, it's not efficient. And, you know, they're all by a factor of like three to five, right? If gas is 90 to 100% efficient, heat pumps, they're three to 500% efficient. That's what a COP means. And happy to not use this time, but to take different time and explain that if it's useful. But you know and so that efficiency results in you know what we calculated for my home which is like probably just under a thousand bucks per year of like energy expenses. savings savings savings that savings going to electric from gas, you can save money. That's not what Jamie said. Just to put them on the spot. Okay. Now, it is really situationally dependent, but yeah, like what we're typically seeing for a j... And that may be Joe's case with how his place is configured in the size of it, but generally speaking, we have noticed that it definitely does depend and quite often because the cost of electricity like for a, you know, unit of energy of electricity is more expensive than gas that. especially and we have looked at that then your energy cost per month can go up if you are converting from natural gas to electricity if you're looking at heating oils or if you're on propane like I am in marble the those energy cost per or those dollar costs per unit of energy results in much more electrical beneficial savings. The trends long term is that, and right now short term with some of the things going on, like there's cost-driving electricity up, but there's also like the long-term trend, the cost of gas is expected to go up at a greater rate that there'll be an inflection point at that point in places where natural gas is very cheap, like in Colorado. So that is something where then like that's why, while we are focusing on electrification because that has great greenhouse gas savings which is very good for the environment to still be very cognizant to like as part of CORS mission to um couple those with energy efficiency projects because by simply using less energy um that um you know that reduces your your your utility costs in terms of a dollar amount. It is a really, really important issue to be able to explain very clearly. And we're talking about snow mass, not talking about propane, not talking about fuel oil, or talking about gas, or some electric. And if the town is going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, I know entice homeowners to switch. People that understand, it's one thing to help them with the capital costs. Get that. But if then the end, you're telling the homeowner, that is great, but you're going to probably pay more for your fuel costs for the next five years. That's a tough sell. That's a reality. It's really important to understand. So, for back to next agenda items. So do we want Jamie and Mike to come back with more of a plan? Do we feel like that should be an agenda item? I think one thing that you've been to agenda is I feel like we're always kind of late to curate extra educational components we would want as part of time clean of day. But I think we should have a discussion in here about time clean of day and how we want to participate in any educational outreach we want to do at that point. And in terms of these guys of internal programs, I don't know what their timelines are and so forth. Yeah, but I guess we may be able to just make a suggestion. Like I would probably consider that the town of Snowmass should review what Holy Cross is doing. I mean, we've talked about it here. People need more information that is dive in and like formulate a plan to amplify the program. Whatever that means, like put more money towards it, put more marketing to it, towards it, right, work with core, like get out of the world locally, like we should pursue a disproportionate participation in the town of Somas because it totally changes the economics of electrification, which is something we've, you know, we've- You're double clicking on on asset or awareness, whereas I think we first need to understand like how like what how can make this more accessible to people. And so, does it make sense to have my can Jamie come back and say okay like for us to convert five homes a year, this is what we're going to work towards in terms of like emission goals. This is like the cost of those five homes. We think that if we can cover 50% of the cost or 75% of the cost, then we'll have a greater chance of converting. Then where is that that differential between the five homes or the tenement homes we can get done in the year and whatever other projects we have going on? I feel like I want to understand that first before figuring out how to amplify Holy Crosses out of the year. So, yeah. I mean, first, how much do you have 50 homes a year? Andrew is at five zero from the art fair share, like five percent a year. in is at five zero from the R first year like five percent a year. In two years ago it was like it was three percent of residential square footage. But just based on the points that Jamie brought up, I feel like one way that we could work towards accelerating our work, core's work, and Holy Cross's work is when these type of program, or when this program is rolled out, we could really collaborate with core as like, there's messaging about this potential program. But the first step is that you take advantage of all the services that Core provides about what you can retrofit, how you can tighten down the household, how you can use less energy, and then maybe within that process there's sort of a diagram that lets you know, hey, you are eligible to fuel switch, and if you do so, you're going to save money, or if you do new field switch you're looking at an increased cost. That way we're being really honest we're in we're kind of coming together and we're increasing the work that core can do for the local community and then we're being very clear about what the outcomes are if you do make that feel switch. Yeah yeah if we can kind of have a better understanding of that, then it feels like we could work on awareness and... So, go ahead. It occurred to me a little on-seconder, but we talked about earlier. Our building goes required. All new construction had been electrified and couldn't use gas. That'd be huge, right? Then nobody has a choice. Hey, there's only one thing to talk about. And then that brings up the secondary question of what point in a remodel do you enforce it? That's a secondary question. I mean, that's where the real, that's where the real progress is made. Due to the small number of new builds. Well, know, on the home side, there's a lot of tear down to rebuild. That's what I mean by remodel. That's not a remodel. The tear down is, I mean, there's, there, there, there, like, what, my house, like, oh, no, but there is already in the code, because we talked about a certain size remodel, you got to change your facade to you know, none combustible materials. And there's a there's a formula in there. It's how much I don't know if it's by cost or by your there is a definition of when the triggers. Yeah, you could do the same thing with electrification. And you know, maybe you ought to go back up to that in your Earth come day sure you get it re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- it's situationally dependent Joe's example being different than other examples. It's very specific snowmess village. So I think in other words, and what I the question I posed to Jamie on our comment forum was at our elevation in an average property, does your price go up or down? And Jamie, I think you're saying the real savings is on the energy and the greenhouse size, but the financially, it will on average go up. It would be good to know what that number is. Just knowing average basis, like it goes up 30%, it goes up 50%. It's perfect. I mean, it's got to be simple because, you know, gas, you assume you got a 95% efficient furnace. gas costs so much per BTU, right? And electricity with a heat pump that if 5 CLP will cost so much per BTU. And then of course, the caveats of energy prices may change. But at the current price, here's what it looks like. So we understand those dynamics. Sorry, so my understanding is that gas electric is one thing, but some of the best things you can do for your home outside of converting is around insulation and like, you're doing all that, right? But I don't, but that's not a quote. But I mean, I don't know if my home as well, and my home was built in 1975, I have zero idea what the installation is. It's like tons of windows. That's just great, it's a different issue. Right, but I'm saying, as we're trying to understand this, we should probably understand what would it take to actually instead of just having within the building code be electric instead of gas, and that's required, what would it take if we were buying houses building? Building code already requires huge amounts of insulation, really good windows for new construction or significant remodder. I mean that, and we're going to, from the 2015 and the 2021, we talked about this morning, which is, that will actually look at it yesterday. It is a lot more insulation than in the new code. So all that is covered, what is not covered in the code anywhere as I understand is that you gotta use the light, heat pump as your eating source. And what about for passathomes? Is that? What do you mean by passive? So it can probably better explain this. It's when like you're basically relying on like the natural cooling and heat. Well, then you just need less energy to supplement, right? So whether it's gas or electricity is really to supplement. Absolutely. But if you if you do all those things correctly, then your bill over time becomes less. And your usage becomes less, which is ultimately better for the environment, which is kind of what I'm trying to count. If we could understand, I'd be very interested in that. I don't know if it's for next meeting or for subsequent meeting. But what would it look like to require all new homes to be built? Is it called passive builds? Is that the technical term? No, no, pass up solar something different. Or actually Or any of your windows to bring in the heat the stuff. It's a building code. But the building codes are so, I mean, the envelope is so insulated. The windows are, I mean, it required already, but even in the new code code we're going to adopt still for years old. I mean it's amazing. I mean, well, so let me just say we want to talk. Town cleanup and we also want to keep working on how we align core with future Holy Cross programs. Perfect. Are we get on that? Okay, great. Next meeting is May 6th. Clean up. Do we have time in May 6th to plan the cleanup? It's in May, isn't it? Usually. But I'm just wondering if it's too close. It's probably May 7th. It's probably May 7th. May 7th. And up time for what you want to do. Yeah, because I think it's just understanding if we want to, how we want to be involved or just having the awareness to talk about that it's coming up and what the board can do. Um, okay. So we have our agenda item next meeting day. We have time for a cocktail hour and after that. Yeah, next one. We're doing a agenda item. I'm going to be on the agenda. From the celebration of the A.B.s efforts for the town. Okay, and you have a non agenda items. Wonderful. We can adjourn for 57. Well, thank you guys. You guys do a great job. Thank you. Well, a lot of people did a lot of work. I got to thank all of you guys on that side of the table for sure. But you didn't do it a lot. I like how we divided, conquered and So there's I mean that was a nice way to arrange it. Yeah. Great job, everyone. Are you happy? But that was always happy. Being here with you people. I'm just bringing you like like, a cocktail comes first. That's right after the acceptance of minutes. What is that? Thanks everyone. Thank you, Jamie. Thanks Joe. See you, Jamie. Yep, see you.