Thank you, Mayor Rue recording. Welcome, Mayor one. I'd like to call this meeting of the John Screech City Council meeting to order the September 30th 2024 at I'm sorry 718 where you're away behind schedule Thank you at this time I'll call Rue Councilmember Chunky. Okay, Councilmember Skinner. Councilmember Aramelli. Present. Councilmember Kaupon. Present. Councilmember D. Councillor Member Skinner. Councillor Aramelli. President. Councillor Member Kaupon. President. Councillor Member D. Viasi. Here. Thank you. We have a call in this evening. Next item. The next item on the agenda is our Pledge of Allegiance. And I'd like to invite students from Dolvin Leadership students to come forward. Tell us your name and lead us in the pledge of allegiance. My name's Adriana. My name's Noel. My name is Shreya. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God. Indivisible for liberty and justice for all. Very good, ladies. Thank you. Thank you. Mayors opening remarks. Yeah, I'll just say that we had a great literary fair this weekend. That's our second annual literary fair. We had a good attendance. I think it was a very good program. So look out for that next year. And on October 5th, we're going to have community safety day and also the summer concert with the John Sp Creek Symphony Orchestra on that same evening. So being on the lookout for that, I will add that I'm going to be hosting a Mayor's Town Hall on October 6th at 4pm at Finley Oaks Elementary in the cafeteria. If anyone would like to come by and ask questions or have anything they'd like to talk about. And I'd also just say that the DeWalley market that celebration will happen on October 26th and 27th. I encourage you to carpool for any of the dates and times or any other details about events and other things going on with the city encourage you to go to our website at johnscreege.gov. Thank you. Thank you. The next item is approval of our meeting minutes. You have September 9th work session and Council meeting minutes before you. Any motions? I may remove that to approve the minutes as presented. You make a move, is that what you said? I'm saying a motion. I like making your making a move. All right. Any second moves there? I'll second. That was Samar. All right. Thank you're making a move. All right, any second moves there? That was severe. All right, thank you, Councilmember D. V. Ossie for the second. And any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? All right. Thank you. The next item is approval of the meeting agenda. Okay. I know of no changes, are there any motions? I make a motion to approve the mint the agenda has presented all right. Thank you councilmember air millie. Is there a second? Second mayor. Thank you councilmember Kaufflin. Is there discussion? Seeing none all those in favor? Thank you. The next item is consent agenda. There are a couple of items. You have an action item, consideration to approve, selection of sigma and the standard to provide employee health, insurance and other benefits. You have consideration to authorize $650,000 for engineering of the Medlock Bridge Road, its straight bridge road, including an approval of a task order with barge design solutions in the amount of $596,106. Consideration to approve a contract with Charles Abbott's and Associates in the amount of $332,800 for building inspection services. And finally, consideration to approve an easement dedication to Fulton County for Fire Station 63 at Brumble O Road. Any motions? Mayor, I would like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. Thank you, Mayor Pro Temtunke. Is there a second? Second. Mayor Mellie for the second. Is there a discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? Next item. Thank you. This evening we have nothing under presentations. The next item is public comments. I don't have any cards before me. Public comment? Okay, come forward. Good evening. My name is Narendra Reddy. You have seen me two years back and I have been here once again. Maybe that is because my campaign brought me. No, it's not that. I came here not to complain but compliment you guys. One thing I notice days whenever I go to Kali Park, it's such a beautiful place now for the family, children to come together and play around. And I notice that all the parking is almost full every time I see there. But also I've seen in your budget proposals that you recently approved. There is a provision for expanding the parking in the Caulipore. That's very nice of you. Another thing I want to compliment you all, the true leadership comes to the forefront even before the bad things are happening. And I've seen that in your budget, you approved resources for the hiring other five police officers. That's very good because we can't wait the crime to knock on our doors, then make arrangements. And I really appreciate it because you all have a proactive leadership mayor and under mayor leadership and you all doing very good. That's the biggest thing for me to live forever, as long as the God permits. And another thing is, I noticed this place is, always, John Screek is bristling with the activity, community activities, particularly that are open theater, Mark Barkhart or amphitheater. These are the things that keeps community together and also in touch with you. And I really like all those things. These are the things that keeps community together and also in touch with you. And I really like all those things. And also I want to tell you I'm running for the State House once again. And at this time I'm going to win and I'm going to work with you for whatever needs you know, need in the future. If I get elected as your representative, I will be truly representing you, not just going, getting elected and spending my time at the State Capitol. Thank you very much for this opportunity and I wish you continued success with the city and the city administration. May God bless you all. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Rack. What do you want else like to do at the public comment? Anybody else? Seeing none, next item. Thank you. The next item is under reports. We have the manager's monthly report. We have a city manager for presentation. Good evening, Mayor and Council. So looking back at August, there were some fantastic highlights from the month and they range the board on all five of your major strategic priorities. I want to start with arts and culture as you know we kicked off the conceptual planning process for performing arts cultural arts facility. So that effort has continued through this month doing interviews and better understanding the area and where we are headed with that initiative. The report in your agenda packet focuses on the gallery change out that also happened in August. Both on the interior and exterior walls. We do that in partnership with the Johns Creek Art Center and the art skills. So that is a fantastic thing that moved forward in August. In the public safety arena, your report focuses on the graduating graduation of our first joint public safety academy that was really well received. We're already planning for the next one. I also want to highlight that we had a lot of other great things going on in public safety. The probably biggest one that brings the two agencies together was something we talked about at work session. We were finalizing those documents for the new Fire Station and police substation going out to bid. When we were looking back at August on the economic development front, the one highlight that I want to add was we had the annual Chamber of Commerce, state of the Chamber, luncheon happened in August. That was well attended, well received, and certainly speaks to the new energy with the Chamber and the positive path forward that we are taking together in partnership. So really excited about that on the Public Works front you cannot move forward and you've still to this day without seeing some orange barrels on many of our major roadways made some great construction project progress in August the one that I want to highlight is something that we are now preparing for an early ribbon cutting on, Sergeant Ashwick. You have that new roundabout that has gone so well from a construction standpoint and hit some major milestones in August. On the recreation and parks front, the report highlights the park behind City Hall, which certainly we had that really exciting ground breaking for and many of you were able to attend. We got some great publicity on that. But the one I want to highlight is one we will be doing a ribbon cutting for this Friday over at Otrimel. The new amphitheater is ready to go. We finished out the landscaping in that last week. So Friday at noon we're going to be officially cutting the ribbon. Really excited about that. But I will end there of your strategic priorities are moving forward. And August just represented another month forward in that that quest. Happen to answer any questions. Not a question, but a statement. Thank you for this update, the new amphitheater at Altramel. My daughters gave us an impromptu show yesterday. It's beautiful. It's a nice addition. I'd also remind the community that they can assist us by naming Creekside Park as it is now, but we've sent out correspondence. So we're seeking the best names from you all, the community. Thank you. One thing that I meant to say earlier during mayor's comments is that we are, I think we should consider ourselves lucky in Georgia, and especially in John's Creek considering the storm, the hurricane, you know, although it had some damage, it was minimal, I think, for most of us. And we certainly, you know, sent out our thoughts and prayers, so the folks are really taking it hard in North Carolina Carolina especially. But has there been, and I know that there has been some kind of an after the storm kind of perusal review of the city looking for damage. I think in my mind I'm thinking about the barrels that are right there by the elementary school of Bice Row. They seem kind of topsy-turvy, but maybe they've been recituated. But can you tell the council and the public kind of what it is that the city kind of did in the aftermath? Sure. So one of the things John's Creek is very lucky to have is a staff team that believes in collaboration and planning and preparation. Our fire chiefs, serves as our emergency management director. So one of the great things he does is make sure all the right staff members are trained up on NIMS protocol, so the National Incident Management Reporting System through FEMA. So that any kind of major incident and comes our way, we have our conference room upstairs next to the traffic control center that becomes an emergency operations center. And that was something we activated in advance of the storm and whether that storm very well, we were so fortunate to be the track of the storm was a little bit different than initially forecast. But that doesn't mean we didn't have things that we kept an eye on throughout the storm and then looked at after the storm. So just very briefly known hazards for us are things like the Bicerode Bridge, which we are replacing. But right now it is a very low bridge. So one of the things we keep on ion is the water going to top the bridge. Do we need to close that area? We are blessed to have so many beautifully wooded roads in John's Creek. But when it comes to heavy rains and high winds, that's something we also keep an eye on. We've got a great team of folks that went out as safe during the storm itself, our fire stations. We had folks from every station that were part of that response, part of the public works team and our police officers, which remained on duty throughout the storm, were our eyes and ears within the field throughout the city. After the storm concluded, we had kind of the full gamut of teams. We had folks from our recreation parks team that were checking the parks of where were the limbs and trees down. And where do we need to have those work orders issued? We had the public works first responders that were out checking the roads and the bridges, where the limbs down, where the things on the sidewalks. They are not all cleaned up yet. But I believe they've all been noted at this point, certainly going to take us a couple days. And then we've, of course, got eyes and ears at all of the fire stations and at-city facilities to see where the problems are. We also have great relationships to check in with our major businesses, things like Emery John's Creek Hospital, making sure that any issues they had are attended to and major businesses that have 24-7 operations like ALCONN. There's our team members that aren't direct-city but ones that we do check in on and try to make sure everything is well. So our process after the storm from a damage assessment standpoint includes a variety of folks from the police team, the fire team, the public works team, and the recreation and parks team to survey what's out in the field. And then we have this amazing map that our GIS analyst, Kat Crawlin, developed for us where we track and are able to manage where are our hotspots and what are we seeing so that we can all be on the same page. And then our communications team helps put out warnings, incident alerts, and when there are still things that are hazardous for our community, that we make sure that people are aware if there are areas to avoid or closures. In this case, as you said, we were very fortunate that it was mostly LIMS, small trees, the few power outages we had were very short lived, but continue to have our thoughts, prayers and hearts with those both in Florida that were hardest hit and up in North Carolina. But yes, did you have any specific questions or is that enough? No, just have, off the, now go ahead. Do you have a specific room where there's some central authorities there coordinating that? Yes, so we turn our atrium health conference room upstairs with all the mobile tables into an emergency operation center. It has a whole specific layout with name cards and action plan books. We open the wall up to the traffic control center so we can have live feed at different places across the city and open the wall over to the break room in case they need to get a bottle of water. So yes, we have an emergency operation center in city hall doubles as a big conference room. Chief Koons, your fire chief is also your emergency management director. Very nice. You did a great job. And if there's something that the community is blessed and you all did a good job putting out that correspondence, showing the pictures of them up late at night and showing that they're going to remain there through the night. So with a lot of us who do live amongst the pine trees and know the tenuous grass, they have stank rooted it. Sometimes it was a blessing that allowed the community to sleep because you knew something before they're. We had people from each of our partner departments stay up all night watching the storm in case it took a dangerous turn one way or another. We were ready to respond. And there was some great regional collaboration too on a point out that our partners in our North Fulton cities that work together on the emergency management side made sure we worked out with AMR ambulance provider to have ambulance staged and ready up in the North Fulton area in case something happened. We were able to work in the Fulton area in case something happened. We also were able to work with the Fulton County to make sure that we had a location for regional debris in case there were a lot of trees down. So Fulton County was also a great partner with us as well as the state agencies, the Fulton County Emergency Management Agency. It's a multi-layered approach, but it is one that I hope you are very proud of because I am. Those things don't happen overnight and you have to practice throughout the year and have those relationships that continue. So one of the things this council has done previously was adopt, the Multigere Sictional Hazard Mitigation Plan. It's a mouthful, but it outlines a strategy and who does what for different kinds of major storm events, whether it's a winter or snow in ice or a hurricane or flooding and it basically gives you a really high level playbook and then the NIMS protocol gives us the boots on the ground. All right, depending on the situation, what are the best practices and then we inform that with we are so blessed to have so many staff members that have such a long history of Johns Creek to have that great familiarity with what are the specific areas and the specific hazards that we face. Oh, I'd like a little more detail if you could. Thank you very much. That's great information. You have a great team. Wonderful. Chief Mitchell is there, several public works members. Jason Nealy, Ricky Faurini. We are so blessed. It's thinking about all the things that we never think about, that you and the staff and the city that allows us to sleep well at night. So thank you for that. Some of the things which came to what people approached me was the several trees went into the river. I hope you got a report on that because I think I don't know whether now most people will not choose the river but I think it presents some kind of maybe that's some place where Chif Koon's in his new boat. I'm happy to follow up on what we do about trees that fall in the river. That one I don't know. I know I could talk to you about how we had the boat stage and whoop-boop was where. We were ready. We were ready and we will be for the next adventure too. No, no, this is fine. This is just to round up the... I just have some questions to her. Some specific... I just have some questions to her, some specific. Municipal Code 95% Code clearance rate and 90% scheduled cases were successfully disposed. What are the difference? 95% Code clearance rate versus 90% of scheduled cases were successfully disposed. What does that mean? That would be for me. So that one, I do not answer for it. So it depends on when the case comes in and when it's calendar to be heard. So you never have an exact match there because you have cases that come in at the end of the month prior and just posed an earlier in the month or cases that we get in towards the end of the month but they're not scheduled to be heard, disposed, settled, taking care of until the beginning of the following month. So those numbers don't typically line up exactly unless your inflow of citations matches your court calendar. So what is clearance and what is disposal? Oh, so, dispose means more or less settled. Clearance is essentially the same thing. Like, Angela can come help me with the technical stuff. That's what I want to check. So a disposed case would be, for example, if there was a probationary period and that probationary period is now closed so that there are no city resources being put towards that case at all. Clearance is it was taken care of in court. It may be with a probationary period, it may be with an extension of probation, it may be a check back date, but it was the person showed up, we were able to deal with the case and either through a sentence or through some sort of consent agreement close out the case, but it's not disposed until it is completely finalised with any kind of probationary period or check back. So, my understanding as a layman is all 90 steps have been taken is clearance. Disposed off means it is finally put to sleep. Correct, yes, sir. Right. And one of the questions, what is this? I would love to drive a lot of young adults to this. Municipal court drive, 55 young adults enrolled in the municipal court drive. What is that? So drive is an online program that we, there used to be a program that municipal court in the solicitors office put on live, but with COVID we went online. It's geared towards useful drivers to help them learn not just what you might get at a typical driver's school, but it's really geared towards younger people. It's a little, it's got some attitude towards, you know, the younger folks. And so it's geared towards young drivers. We require it in municipal court of most drivers who come in with car wrecks or speeding tickets, if they run a red light, they generally we send them through that program to give them that extra added confidence in education. So, unless you're guilty of some misdemeanor, traffic misdemeanor, you can't go to that or can I send people just as- You can sign up even if you do not have a case in municipal court. We do offer it. It is free if it's incident to the municipal court, but I believe if you are just taking the class without a case, there's a small fee, I believe. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? All right, thank you. Next item. Thank you. The next item, announcements. I do have a couple. Sorry, I'm a skip tour. Planning Commission will meet tomorrow, October 1st at 7 p.m. There's a zoning public participation meeting this month. That's been canceled. Recreation in Parks Advisory Committee will meet Wednesday the night at 6.30. Artsation in Parks Advisory Committee will meet Wednesday the night at 630. Arts, Culture and Entertainment Committee will meet Thursday the 10th at 630. Board of Zoning Appeals is canceled for the month and then we are back here on Monday the 21st for 5PM work session and 7PM council meeting. And council, do you have any announcements? All right. Next item. Okay. The first item at their old businesses ordinance 24 5 7. This is a public hearing and consideration for the zoning map for 63 50 hospital parkway and director song is here for presentation. The mayor and council just waiting for the presentation that come up perfect. So the rezoning case before you is RZ24002. The subject properties located at 6350 Hospital Parkway, acreage is 6.74. And the existing zoning is currently mixed conditional. The proposed zoning request is for TR, townhouse residential district. The request is to allow for a single family attach residential subdivision with 60 town home units at a density of 8.9 units per acre. More detail in terms of the location in front of Hospital Parkway, it's 760 feet northwest of Hospital Parkway Melok Bridge Road intersection. It is bounded by John's Creek Medical Pavilion to the west. Terrorists is at Johns Creek Shopping Center to the north, which is a budding meganist area across from the stream. Hospital Parkway to the south and then Johns Creek Village Shopping Center to the east. As mentioned, the property is currently zone mix, first one to rezoning case from Fulton County, 2001 Z-0133. This is a 2002 approval that applied the mix zoning district to the subject property and all adjacent properties as you can see in the pink in the graphic. The original zoning allowed for a 600,000 square feet of commercial use hotel limited to 120 rooms or 75,000 square feet and up to 75 multifamily units above commercial space. The site is currently undeveloped and predominantly wooded and And as mentioned, there's a stream that traverses parallel to the rear property line. The applicant's site plan shows 60 fee simple town on units. It's broken up into two product types. There's a 24 foot wide. There's gonna be 28 units. And there's a 20 foot wide. That would be comprised of 32 units. The minimum loss size is 2,000 square feet. The minimum heated area is 1,900 square feet. Service by private roads and alleyways for a rear loaded units. There's going to be a single ingress, egress point off the hospital parkway. This would align with the intersecting road for evict's way. And the stream exists to the rear of the property, which shows the applicable 75-foot stream buffer requirement. The property would be serviced by two store-moort-of-management facilities. One would be closer towards hospital parkway. That would be an underground facility. There would be a store-moort-of-management pawn towards the back. There would be a 25-foot landscape strip along hospital parkway. They would also provide 10-foot landscape strips along the east and west property lines. The T.R. zoning requires 15% of the gross acres to be set aside as open space. The better graphic is this, where, well, let me go back real quick. As you can see, we've identified portions, it's hard to see here, but as you can see, we have A, B, C, D, and E. That's representative of the proposed open space plan that has been set forth by the applicant and they could share that a little bit more in detail but it's a mixture of outdoor areas, fire pits, botchball area, nature trails, bench seating, passive park space, green space, actual gathering space for the residents. In terms of the elevation, the building facade, we've been constructed with a combination of brick, veneer, board, and baton, and cementitious siding. Rendering, show varying roof lines and building offsets with both front and rear loaded products. Built with rear decks and porches, The maximum amount allowed is 40 feet. Each unit shows that it's consisting of a minimum 50% brick or natural precast stone as the exterior building material. Looking at the zoning criteria, suitability with nearby land uses, the subject property surrounded by commercial retail and medical office uses and is characterized by a mixed-use zoning district as mentioned. It was part of the rezoning in 2001 with Fulton County. The proposed town on development would be considered a use that is appropriate within a transitional area. Again, it's flagged by commercial medical office. And the proximity to those retail office and major workplaces in the cities, in particular, every hospital. The proposed development would be suitable at this location with appropriate conditions. The subject property has remained undeveloped while adjacent properties on all sides have been developed since 2005 with a mix of commercial and retail medical uses. The proposed development would not adversely affect existing uses but would complement them by bringing a new, walkable community and close proximity to commercial medical and office uses that exist today. In terms of reasonable economic use, the property of purest have a reasonable economic use as currently is owned. Criterion number four impacts on infrastructure. The proposed development is expected to generate 406 daily trips of those 26 trips during morning peak hour and 32 trips during evening peak hour Based on the trip generation data for the development staff is recommending the following conditions Which is to restruct the existing gory area long hospital parkway for a right term diesel lane to service the development and To install stop signs to create an always stop controlled intersection on both sides of hospital parkway and ebicsway. Fulton County Water and sewer confirmed that there's enough capacity from both water and sewer aspect. And the school board also has indicated a total of 12 to 46 students will be anticipated, but will have no direct impact on school capacity. Comparing it to the comp plan, the subject properties will can in the tech park community area. The vision for this community area is to become a live work, play destination for business owners who want to live in a premier residential community, have a short commute to their offices and have a amenity rich park at their business front door. The comprehensive plan's future land use map indicates this property as commercial multi-family. The land category is defined as property containing housing units with more and the forth wanting units, which includes town homes as property containing housing units with more than 4th-weling units, which includes townhomes as an identified housing type. The proposed development would be considered to conform with the policy and tend the community areas land use element and with the comprehensive plans or unintended vision for housing specific to technology park, which is expand housing options for employees working in technology park, especially those in critical positions such as hospital workers. Other considerations to account for the subject property as mentioned was rezoned in 2001 as a mixed use development, the consisting of commercial retail office hotel and up to 75 multifamily units above commercial. All uses except for housing and hotel have come to fruition as part of the overall development since 2005. Edition of a residential component would help to complete the intended mix of uses for the area. Regarding environmental impacts, the environmental site analysis indicates that the property development would not disturb the environment-consensitive areas on the site. Two-stone water management facilities will be provided as part of the development. And the applicant will be required to provide runoff reduction, BMPs to comply with the city's natural resource and environment or protection ordinance prior to issuance of a land disturbance permit. Staff has recommended approval with conditions. The planning commission also unanimously recommended approval with conditions at their September 10th public hearing. Thank you. Thank you, director Song. At this time, I'd like to open the public hearing for RZ-24-002. This hearing will allow 10 minutes per side. All those wishes in favor of this matter, please come forward. Already here. I've done this before I have a few. I've been around the block. Good evening. My name is Din Webb, 1105 West Peace Street Street at Lanta, Georgia, 309 here on behalf of the applicant toll brothers. Before I begin, let me introduce a couple folks who are here with me. First, my right is Jake Meek. Jake is the director of entitlements. For those who don't know, toll brothers is known as America's luxury home builder. There are a Fortune 500 company, they operate in 24 states and have been in business since 1967. They are obviously here in Georgia and they have a regional office here. Try this, Ben stole a lot of my thunder, so there's not a whole lot left to say, but I'm going to touch on a few things. First, he talked about where the property is, and I don't need to get into too much detail on that. But I think I want to elaborate on one point he made, which is, as you heard, this property is part of a 42.4 acre mixed use development. It was approved back in 2002. That included commercial uses, retail uses, office and residential, and the development's basically complete except for the one piece, which is the residential piece. As you heard, this development is entitled for 75 apartments over commercial. That's not what we're here to propose, of course. We're talking about 60 owner occupied town homes. And as you heard, I believe, there'll all be three stories with two car garages and Ben did a good job of kind of going through the layout mix as he discussed. We've got a combination of front and rear load units. As you can tell from this site plan in front of you, the site is heavily landscaped. And importantly, the toll is heavily immunitized. That toll is America's Electric Home Builder. Amenities are a critical component to everything they do. You can see as been mentioned areas identified on this property where amenities are proposed and I'll try and pull out a few if I can. The first is this area which we identified as area A there. That's an active amenity location proposed for outdoor dining, a fire pit, botchy ball, male kiosks, things like that. There is more of a passive amenity here in the back that takes advantage of the proximity to the creek that runs in the back and the buffer that will be a part of that. That is what we're calling a nature park. It'll include a nature trail and some bench seating. We've got basically passive parks here in the middle. These were the two items that have been identified as number C, or letter C here. Those are, you know, for things like cornhole and bench seating and whatnot. We've got a pocket park here. Let's see if I can get this back. For something like a fire pit and finally, another passive park sort of down in this area as well that will just be essentially an open space. I won't go back through in too much detail about the elevations but I want to mention one point. It vends presentation he said that we're proposing 50% brick and stone. There's actually a condition that requires 75%. And so we've agreed to that. So we're doing a little bit more than what the code would require in this instance. Ben mentioned that staff is recommending approval to conditions. We agree with all of those conditions. As you heard, the planning commission recommended approval as well, subject to the same conditions. And just so you know, we've never had opposition on this request. We've been hanging around for a while because there was an engineering issue on this property that we solved. But we have never had anyone step forward and oppose this proposal. So with that, I'm going to abbreviate my presentation. Just let me touch on a couple things before I stop. I think this development makes sense. This was started as a mixed use development. It was started as a live work play community, it's there except for the live part, right? And I think our proposal for owner occupied town homes is a lot better than Woodfield and County initially contemplated when they proved 75 apartments. As you heard, this development is also consistent with comp plan and I don't know if been touched on this but we meet every zone in criteria. We're not seeking any variances here, We have worked within the parameters of the code. So I think I'll stop there. I'm happy to take any questions you have. I'll reserve my time and we'd ask your recommendation of approval subject to staff conditions. Thank you. Anybody else speak in favor? All right, seeing none. Anybody that would like to come and speak in opposition? Anybody? All right, seeing none. Anybody that would like to come and speak in opposition? Anybody? All right, seeing none. I'll close the public hearing and counsel the floor. Yes. Dr. Song. Dr. Song. Yes, sir. I called you Dr. Song. I'll leave him back. I'll take that. So hospital parkway, just, I can't recall the noun that wrote a thousand times but never paid attention. Do they have pathways or sidewalks down hospital parkway? Yes, they do have on both sides. Both sides. So in that one document or one picture, there is ties into the sidewalks. That is correct. Are they the normal size or are they the pathways? It's the normal size. Is the five foot sidewalk that they have along the hospital park? And it goes all the way to Medlock Bridge. No, it's both sides, hospital park. Sorry, Medlock as well as McGinnis Varian. So they can tie into the tunnel and all that kind of stuff. Yes. Thank you. I'll ask, what is the price point? I don't know if you can answer that or if they're Mr. Web. These are proposed to be in the 7-800-1000 range. Go back to my site plan here. I'm an idiot with these things in my hand. I usually qualify and say I apologize in advance for messing this up. But yeah, so $7,800,000 is the proposed price point. Okay. And typically, town homes around $2,200, $2,500 square feet? Yes. So the range here is about 1,900 square feet to about 2,600 square feet. Oh, okay. The minimum is 1900. In question for director Song, what is the permissible units per acre there? 8.9 units per acre. And there utilizing the full amount, 8.9? Well, sorry, the maximum is nine. They're at 8.9, so yes. We'll close. Thank you. Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know that this is necessarily, should be my focus, but 7800,000 for the size town. It doesn't sound very expensive. It doesn't, to me, it sounds a little less than what I would expect typically from tall brothers and you speak to that at all I can First of all $800,000 is a lot money for a town home. It's a lot of it's a lot of money It's a lot of money, but I was expecting considering it being tall brothers that you're gonna tell me a million plus for that location I can let Jake speak to this a little bit more detail, but you pick your market, right? And obviously, we've told brothers is looking at all the property in John's Creek, we'll have price points significantly higher than what we're talking about here. But the target here are the folks at Emory, whether they be doctors, nurses, or administrators, or people who live in the area. And I think that's the right price point. But I'll tell you this much, in my experience, they'll pick a buyer, excuse me, a developer price and they'll let the market establish itself. So if they go to a million, they go to a million two, then great. But they'll have the finishes to support John's Creek for sure and I think what most buyers would expect from an $800,000 town on. That's a big number for towns right now. Hey, I've just made someone very angry that wants to have to pay more money for their town. Yeah. One quick question. Are cities trying to develop a lot of bike trails? Are you going to encourage that? Designing it? It's not part of this development, but certainly that. Tolle Brothers, as I mentioned, is all about amenities. The one thing we like about this project is that stream in the back because it creates you know a required buffer but also creates a forest space it creates nature trails and errors for people to hang out so bike trails would be consistent with what you know told us proposing but it's not part of this deal we have very little frontage on hospital park way here and if you see in the site it sits way up on top of a hill. So it's kind of a, it's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. It's not a great bike. support but no one's asked about it. All right. Are these, I'm looking at your photos of your elevations here. Are these the actual elevations that you're looking to put into the actual unit each, each townhouse units if you will are four or five? Because what I'm seeing is there's a rotation of the same facade or look. Is that how we're going to see all the actual buildings? Well, I think one thing you'll see is a little bit more brick or stone. We submitted these earlier on in the process. So your code requires 50%, but we've agreed to 75%. So there'll be a little more stone or brick on these units. They don't show as well in these flat, sort of rendering-tice, but the idea is to deviate the facade. So there are differences there, not just in terms of spacing, but also in terms of construction materials, to create depth into the things that you want. Right, yes. So that is the intent. Maybe they don't show as well in here, also in terms of construction materials to create depth and the things that you want. Yes. So that is the intent. I don't know, maybe they don't show as well on here, but that is the intent. I mean, if I were to extrapolate that and move it, I'd just see every other one with a white face and then a brown face and, you know, it almost looks a little bit to a part-manage to me is that the roof line is the same across all the units. Did you ever discuss anything about alternating the roof line? Well, the intent, so that's only four units to see, you know. Right. Okay, so you've got two pronounced roof lines and two suppressed to create sort of the masking scale that I think we went for. I don't know that we've been asked to do any more than this. I'll tell you one thing. We spent a lot of time on architecture in the very beginning of this. This is not where we started. Jake Meepertow brothers, 8 and 6 degree street Atlanta, Georgia. Just to add a little context to. So one of the hangups on this project, as you know, is delayed for a long time, was the engineering challenging, challenged on that, a lot of that had to do with dirt export. What that means relevant to this conversation, there's a lot of hope on this site. And so there's going to be a lot of undulation, not only front to back as you can kind of see here, but it doesn't show it very well, but also up and down too. So there will be varying roof lines throughout this. I'm seeing that more on the bottom picture. Right. Yeah, and even honestly, this is, these elevations are conceptual in nature too. They will be refined as we get closer to that. We always, at all Brothers, we enter the highest end of the meat of the market. So there's full custom that'll blow it out of the water. But they, and we won't necessarily be that. But for any sort of traditional builder, we are always going to get the highest end of that. And again, these elevations conceptual, but conceptual on a slab. And there's going to be topo here, where you're going to have, again, not only front to back, an insulation, but also up and down as you move down the site. So is that a guarantee that you can make? I don't know if that's an appropriate. I'm sorry, guarantee in terms of that. There will be some variation among the units. We can put in, right now we have, we can put in a, it's hard to, because the engineering is going to dictate the undulation up and down, right? But we're happy to put a condition in for an offset of the units horizontally, so at least you can break up, guarantee you break up the roof line that way. And that's what we have shown here. And we'd be happy to have that to the conditions. Hope I'm not giving anybody a heartburn over here. Thank you, upper screen. And just to take that just a little further, I guess, you know, Mayor was talking about the roof lines. I was also looking at that and referring to the front elevations. Is there going to, the percentage of bricks understand that that you're going beyond what code says, but is there any other materials besides the brick and were you using hardy? Yep. So brick is a marching bandling. So some board and bat and you see it as well. Board and bat and okay, so a little country look kind of thing. So beyond that, is that look and feel going to be throughout all the buildings on the property? The sewer units? That's right, it's a balance right between not having one monotonous look throughout the entire Development which we don't want you know the same exact elevations rinse repeat but also having some You know contiguous nature with it where it's all ties in and looks the same sort of look and feel So it's kind of striking that balance between the two not everything looks plain Jane cookie cutter repeat But also not everything looks hodgepodge either and disconnected right? I I mean, just for what it's worth here, the dormers, if you will, those peaks, you know, those are same four windows and top. It's very similar on all the units as well as the elevations. It's very symmetrical in the photo, which may be throwing me off. So you may do something different in the real world. Yeah, we do and so we we are always constantly redesigning our products. You know, even if a one plan, you know, really has a shelf life of maybe a few years, right? Until we redesign it and we change things like windows placement, like you just mentioned, pitch lines, accents, like bump outs and things like that. So we're continuously doing that. Again, these are just conceptual in nature. So, Director Song, how do we memorialize what we're hearing to make sure that this is not what we're going to have? Well, I mean, one thing is you want to give some flexibility to the builder to come up with a certain product that would be welcoming, welcome by the market for that particular price point. What I will consider, as mentioned by Jake, is we could always put in the offset of the units. The very roof line, again, you've got to, if you go to the side, it's hard to tell right now just because it's wooded. But actually, the slope, I think it goes actually as low on the hospital park when it climbs up towards the stream. So you're going to have that aspect of the grade that they would have to account for. And so you're going to get that elevation variation in terms of building height, building placement and so forth. That was one of the reasons why they initially came to you related to the deferral, because there was so much dirt that was placed on the property. But in addition to that, there's a lot of topographic issues associated with the property as well. That is a cost prohibitive aspect in terms of moving all that dirt and hence one of the challenges of this property not being developed up to this point. Someone willing to take on that challenge. But I think in terms of the offsetting of the front facade, that's definitely something that we could put in as a condition if you like. I can work up the language as you sort of. And ask questions. Thank you. And just as this was starting to be developed as a concept, the Emory Johns Creek, how do they feel about this in the neighbors? So there have been any talk about just. So initially when we started our discussion with toll brothers, a couple of things I asked them to look over. One was try to reach out to Emory Hospital just to see what their initial inclination would be in terms of interest related to the type of product. I believe they did reach out to them on several occasions. They just never got the response back. And they could confirm that. The other thing is related to traffic issues or future traffic concerns, because we did approve sort of a master plan for Emory Hospital. We informed the applicant to work with Kim Lee Horne, who did the initial traffic study for Emory Hospital. And just to incorporate this development to the future development and improvements that they would have to make from a transportation operational standpoint improvements. And it worked out where there is no impacts related to this, even with the condition that we're putting in there where they would have to make it a four-way stop, always stop at the intersection of the E-Bixway and hospital Parkway. But if you want to touch on Emory Hospital. I was taking a shot at drafting a condition while Ben was talking. We did reach out to Emory in the very beginning. We did not get a response. It's been a long time. I don't know if you guys are aware of this. We delayed this four or five months. I don't remember all the details. Ben did mention that very beginning. We did as we were told and didn't get any feedback. But with that said That is certainly a market toll brothers has in mind right there are doctors there are nurses their administrators there Who I think would love the opportunity to live across the street and walk to not just their job at a restaurant at the corner Sure I just want to ask you is it a gated community pardon is it going to be a gated community? I don't think the intent was to gate this no There mixed emotions are mixed viewpoints on gating. I don't know Some like it some don't but the intent here was not to gate. We don't like it I can you can tell you like it because we don't know to pay your roads Understood I can tell you like it because we don't know to pay view roads. I don't know. I have a feeling that there is a motion coming. This side. No, y'all go ahead. Oh, no, I was ready to make a motion, but you go ahead. It's a little bit different. Maybe the other. It's on our line. You can go ahead. He's literally going to figure on the bottom. Dr. Song. Yes. Got a question. So I know you did mention that we have an expansion plan for the Emery John's Creek and there are a couple of conditions in here. So earlier you mentioned that so how does it integrate with the like distillation lane or the curb cut? How does that integrate into the overall plan? Because their plan is about 15 years? Yeah, 15 to 20 years. And so that's why we made sure that they're working with Kim Lee Warren who produced the original traffic study As part of the Emory expansion request that was approved and so aligning Excuse me aligning all those aspects the diesel lane the curb cut to always stop There's no impacts to the improvements that Emory hospital will make in the future as they make those incremental improvements. I'm just to impact like does it blend into their overall grant? Because we talk about the Gour lane, it already exists. It's a stripe lane that exists on the travel lane. Yes, how that. And so that would be doubled, that would be used as the diesel lane. So really there's no additional right away, they would have to account for whatever right away they would need. It'll come off their property So there's no impact with that their Egress ingress egress point would align with the ebics way which is already an existing Drive way so everything matches where there shouldn't be any direct impact on hospital partway Thank you, Ben. Good question for the applicant. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I can, sorry. You said like it's owner occupied, a single family attached to it. Does it mean like you're going to have some kind of regulations in the bylaws or like would that be implemented in there? Or how does it control the owner occupied? There will be an HOA formed with restrictions on rental as part of that, yes. And again, we really appreciate you going back and working on the land, the soil dirt sitting in there, so I appreciate that. It was touching go. I know. You guys took the time to go back and resolve it before coming back, so I really appreciate that. Thank you. I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm the HRL and I'm a strict. If you're rental about 25 percent, I think it is. That will be a lot of. Yeah. That's a massive. Mass. Okay. I'll pass it. Okay. You would better. Yeah. So I was going to suggest, I mean, if it's 10, that is also something that we could condition if you feel like that's something that's worth while adding as a condition in terms of the right tool. The only thing I would say is just it becomes difficult for us to enforce just because we don't have that mechanism to go in and say it's really for the HOA to enforce that. Yeah, it's more like a solution. It's like it's not. All right, so I don't know what this hand gesture is going to be. I'm waiting for that phone for that condition. I'm happy. So I was looking at the conditions that we placed on medley with our town homes. And so again, we follow this, we've been working with the builder on that side. So the one that I was running by, told brothers was the language could be adjacent town home units forming one building she'll have facade offset and varied roof lines. We're fine with that. Chris is going to make a motion with that. See. He's about to. Let's put it number 14. Okay. I'd like to make a motion or unless anyone has a final question. Mayor, I move that we approve 020240507 amending the City of John's Creek zoning map for RZ2402 6350 hospital parkway mix to our single family attach residential subdivision with 60 town human units. With staff recommendations with the addition of one condition, number 14, which is adjacent townhome units forming one building shall have facade offsets and varied roof line. Okay, I'll second that. All right. Thank you for the motion. Councilmember Coffin and the second Councilmember D. Councillor D. Biasi discussion on the motion. Chris, you want to? Just a comment. I'm sorry. I will defer to you. Okay. No, no, you go. Just make a comment on the applicant. It's a great product. Right location. Right at the intersection near Emery John's Creek and pretty close to the Middle East. In Washington scientific and the Creek side part that's coming up. So it's a great product and I'm glad to just choose the location. Yeah, I fully support this project. Thank you for investing in John's Creek. I think it's going to be an excellent addition to serve. The original intent of the zoning for the mix use, I think, serving Emory John's Creek, I do think it will allow for some people to work close to home. And I'm really excited about it. And so with that, I'll be supporting this motion. Yes. I was good when people support their emotions. I echo their sentiments here. I appreciate the feedback and what we're hearing here because, you know, it's a piece of proper that you put a lot of effort to prepare the site itself, the horizontal build itself. So I understand where you are with this. And like my colleagues say, to be right next to John's Creek Hospital, it's a win-win for you. And we're so happy that you're here and investing in John's Creek. So thank you very much. Thank you. I personally think that this must be one of the few residential complexes, which is so close to the place of work. So that concept of work live play, you're putting in an action. Thank you. And I'll just say I appreciate your willingness to work with us, work with the community. We want you to be very successful and I'll be supporting this definitely and look forward to the finished product. So good luck with that typography. Anybody else? All right, seeing none. All those in favor of the motion? Congratulations. Thank you. All right, next item. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is ordinance 24-715. This is another old business. Public care against consideration of an ordinance amending the zoning map for RZ 24-004 with a concurrent variance 24-003. This is a 2950 old Alabama road and director song is here for presentation. So Mayor and Council, I do not have a presentation for you and the reason being the applicant is requesting for withdrawal. I won't necessarily get into the specifics but we do have the applicant available if you like for the applicants to come up and explain a little bit further as to the purpose of the request. No, I believe the presentation during the planning commission was comprehensive so I'm ready to make the planning commission was comprehensive. So I'm ready to make a motion. I will. Once I come. Sorry. Yes, I watched it as well. So I was going to ask you, is there anything we could do to bring it back sooner than a year? Unfortunately, there isn't. Per our code. Okay. One thing that I did guarantee the applicant was whatever next steps that they plan on that will work closely with them and make sure that they're prepared in preparation and then coming back when they're allowed to do so. Thank you. Okay. If no one else in the UNMACer Mission. I know that we would draw a consideration of an ordinance amending the City of John Screex zoning map for RZ24004 and VC240032950 old Alabama road OI to AL as presented. All right, thank you, Councilmember Kaufman. Is there a second? Councilmember Skinner. and discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all is in favor. I will draw. Thank you. Next item. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is resolution 24922. This is consideration of a resolution regarding the acquisition of a parcel five for the vice road bridge per placement project. And I believe we have attorney couch for this presentation. Good evening, Mayor and Council. We've got on the agenda three. We originally had three parcels that we were going to need for the vice road bridge replacement to use the city's imminent domain power. We have been able to resolve all but one. And this is what we sometimes call a friendly condemnation so that we can actually get all of the stakeholders in one place to try and perhaps negotiate it once the condemnation has been filed. So we are asking for a resolution to exercise the imminent domain power for partial five on the vice road bridge project. Happy to take any questions. So to reiterate this would be as the colloquialism says friendly condemnation. Yes sir. Yeah. I don't know where this place is. You don't know where the where the place is. It's part of the Bicebrood Bridge replacement. I don't know if the agenda report had. It's it's a vice road at John's Creek. Yeah. Um. John's Creek the Creek. It's the bridge that goes over the Creek. As city manager Greer mentioned earlier, the bridge is low. We're bringing it up and making improvements. This is one of the parcels. It's owned by a homeowner's association and it's impossible to get all of the owners to the table in order to be able to vote on a negotiation. And once we condemn it, then the Homeowner's association has the authority to negotiate on behalf of the homeowners. Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Thank you. Any other comments or questions? All right. Is there a motion? Anybody with a motion? I made the motion to address the position of resolution regarding the position of the person applied for rights and based in the project. All right. Thank you. Council Member Aramelli. Is there a second? Thank you. Councilmember Skinner. Is there a discussion? Thank you none. All those in favor? Very much. Next item. Thank you. The next item is an action item. This is consideration to approve a construction contract in the amount of $6,184,823 with vertical earth. As CEI task order was case CEI and a 10% construction contingency for the town center pedestrian crossing construction project. And are you doing this one? I think there's going to be a assistance to your manager Bennett for presentation. What's that mayor? There's going to be like one or 11. So we need to make another presentation. Now we talked about this in the work session and Councilmember Tunky is correct. There was some discussion about having the owner contingency to add alternate up to $400,000 for further design of some protective barrier along 141 as an option. So the ask is prove the base contract or prove base contract with the owner contingency up to $400,000 with staff coming back at a later date with some options for what. That's what we agreed on, like based contract. Let me ask you a question, Mr. Bennett. So even if we were to put that contingency additional amount on there, those funds could not move until something came back to council. Correct. There would not be expanded until, okay, it would be part of a budget amendment to be reflected in the project, but it would not be spent until you make a decision on what that add alternate looks like. some reason that contingency comes back even more expensive. Is there any way to go back on this contract to terminate this contract? The way that I would consider doing it would probably be a change order at that point for any gap. Because once we sign this contract and budget it up to a certain amount, then you've got your price term fixed up to $400,000. And if it comes in above that, then because this contract has already been signed, it would need to be in the form of a change order. So we're not to lay into signing of this contract after we approve. No. So please consider anything more expensive. Right. I would just, my only thought there was that if in fact we felt handcuffed by the vendor at that point, that we would just potentially go back out to bed. I think, you know, at least we'll get this complete product as it stands. It's a bonus, like, allowance, right? If you don't spend it, we'll bring it back or maybe we'll decide let's not do anything just leave it the way it is. To answer councilmember de Villacis question, if you decide not to do anything, they just build it per the base contract with the guard rail. The $400,000 has not spent the project gets closed or y'all reallocate it to another project. Or you have another proposal for what you want to do above the tunnel, this separate in a part, within another contract. Sometimes, sometimes I just, my gut tells me that if you're, if it was all baked in at the front end, you have a better chance of negotiating against, against other vendors in the process. If you sign a contract with a vendor for a base level and then add, do a change order and add on, you're going to probably pay a little bit of a premium for that add on. That's all I'm saying. But again, we're going to make a decision in the few weeks, right? Once we get more information. So it's like, this is going to be part of it just that we don't want to hold a base contract because of that one component. So we can just keep the ball rolling and. Depends on how serious we are about adding those other items, whether we wanted to pull back or just do base. So I mean, we can go the other way. I just think that we have, we come from a position of strength when it's all baked in on the front end. That's Ryan. But I mean, to do the way the city managers come in earlier doesn't sound like we really are taking a risk if for some reason the council decided to lay a vote until the next meeting. You have flexibility to the next meeting, but after that point I believe the bids will actually expire. The city does have experience putting projects out to bid and I will say every time we have, when we have to go back out to bid, it's been very negative experience. There is some on council now that could speak to that if you would like. I can't. It's bad. Not the lines projects. Okay. Because the elements you're seeking to add are distinct and could be done separately. If we don't like the price negotiating with this contractor, we could always put that extra element out to bid as a separate project once this one is done, if that makes sense. So we can still be in a position of leverage, what we have to do is reach consensus on what it is you want to do. And we're making good progress on that from your work session discussion. But if you want this to continue in that great sequential order you've kicked off with stream restoration first, Creekside Park second, Pedestrian tunnel started third so that you have something that will open in quick succession. If not close to the same time, you need to get this one rolling. Well, and I understand vertical earth is a great organization. They've grown from very small beginnings here and I think it's coming. And so they've really grown a lot. I'm just, you know, with your building a project and you've got all your assets there and you have to add on something, it's not as big a deal as if you were to go out and go out for another bid or someone it hasn't, start over and bring all, and mobilize the people, mobilize the assets to do it. So I'm hoping, hopefully, they will work with us closely and get that price pulled something reasonable. So what are the expecting next meeting? Nothing necessarily. I'm not necessarily guaranteeing we can be back in three weeks. You've given us a lot of different things. You want us to come back with options, cost, price, ideas. So I need a regroup with the team on all of those and get some rough estimates and everything we're able to pull together for you. But we'll work with due diligence and hast. Let's go with the talk. Sorry, but Mary does have a point. She's on her is only when you want to develop it further. Not. You should know what you want in the first place. At least the first draft. So my point is, if he... If he thinks that this is the right product, we should go with this. If he want to do this this, we should do it. I'm okay to go with the base level at this point. I mean, based on what Councilman Kaufman said here, not Congressman Kaufman, but Councilman Kaufman. Going back a couple years here. I don't want to open up that problem where the bids even higher. If that's our history and that's where we go, then let's, my thought is let's go ahead and do the base and then figure it out from there. I'm glad you do that point. If we see that one, we can just fall back onto our base because I know that. We have that option, so it's that. I know, but it's always better to have it all baked in and get everyone to bid on it completely the way we want it versus having to go back because we're not in a position of strength. So, I mean, I had those concerns or thoughts, but just thinking about everything that we've been listening to. So if you take the wall all the way above the street, that's going to be the same vendor, right? Yes. So we do know that. So we're pretty much locked in with that vendor for that if we go that direction. If we don't go that direction and we do kind of like what you're talking about with the side light things, it sounds like that can be someone else and can be bit out separately. So it doesn't sound like that we are going to be really risking anything by moving forward at this point. So I'm going to support moving forward. So ready to make a motion if? No, and I've already expressed my concerns. So I won't reiterate it again. But if we were going to bring this back next meeting, if we could have the breakdown of the T-spaus 2 program financial summary, thank you. All right. Ready to make a motion to approve M2. M2, a concentration to offer the construction contract in the amount with $400,000 as owner Elements Is your motion also include the 10% contingency and the Commission and even 10% contingency and KCI $255,000 and 50 cents You're just adding on. Per what we've been talking about. But I don't really want to amend this. Yeah, we did. We did like a...no, base is going to remain same. Plus 400,000 owner elements. So that's like...it's our money to spend or ring it back. I want to do...okay. You don't have to go through all of it, but just the key parts of your motion. Okay, so I'll prove the construction contract with as presented with $400,000 owner elements. Would that make sense? And the contingency. I said presented, so it includes the other. 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All right, and you're all right one nay All right, thank you All right next item Thank you, Mayor this evening we have nothing under other business. We have another opportunity for public comment All right, I don't really see anybody. I think we're good. I think we're good to go to next item. Mayor's comments. No, just I think that we talked about a lot of sometimes difficult topics, but I think we did a pretty good job with it. So I appreciate that, and that includes the staff and all the councils. So I appreciate that. Executive session? We do have a need Don't we oh we don't I apologize I thought that there were and I'm sorry I'd like to adjourn this evening in its entirety Wow fantastic All right, discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? All right, my bad, great.