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I'm going to call the order of the March 18, 2025 loud and county board supervisors business meeting. This room has a hearing loop. If you need hearing assistance, please switch your hearing aid to the telecom mode. If you need a headset, we have those available as well. Please see the clerk to request one. This evening, Mr. Luternos, going to leave this in a administration of our prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance, Mr. Luternos. Thank you, Chair Randall. Heavenly Father, we pray for peace throughout the world. We ask you to protect our brave men and women in our military. We ask you to protect those that are vulnerable around the world. We give special thanks for our first responders here in Loudoun County for all of our hardworking employees that helped make this a great place to be. And we ask for your wisdom as we continue to try to make this the best county that it can be. Amen. Okay. All right. I'm going to read the proposed agenda and then I'll say some other stuff. Proposed agenda is as follows. Foclimation to recognize gift Tuesday. That's for approval and presentation. Mr. Turner will join me down front for that. Foclimation to recognize March 2025. It's women's history month in Loudoun County. That's also for presentation. Miss Umstead, Miss Glass, Mr. Crony, and Miss Brickspin would join me down front for that. Number three, to resolution the Arnold Life and service of Wilto Victor Brick. As for approval, only Mr. Turner and I will be presenting that to him at another time. Resolution to recognize 2025 best workplace for commuters. That's approval only. I will be going over there. R5, permission to recognize March 21st, 2025 is safe, so a day that's miss Bricksmiths, it's for approval only. Number one, contract renewal public safety two-way radio and related equipment. One-B, contract renewal, day support, and employee employment services. One-C, contract award, roadway and transportation design services. One-D, louder museum, memorandum of agreement. One-E, beneficial use of landfill gas. Two-A, appointments and confirmations. Three, administrative Ion's report of March 18, 2025. For proposed traffic calming measures in the water for the bridge community. Number five, led you to 20, led you to 2023, that 0109 NOPEC. South for Exception Special Exception 2024, that 0033 and special exception, 2024, that 0034. Item 10, Board Member Initiative Define, the established performance criteria for micro-briets and other on-site power generation uses. Item 11, Board Member Initiative proposed changes to the board of supervisors, rules of order, last the consent agenda. I will move this motion. There's second on the motion. Motion second, vice chair Turner, discussion on the motion. Ms. Bricksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to draw my colleague's attention to the beneficial use of landfill gas, which came through finance committee unanimously. It's really a unique project if you get a chance to take a look at it. Initiated by Supervisor Sains a couple years ago to look at how we could use our landfill waste to generate energy. And so what we did is we're going to send out an RFP and build hopefully something at our landfill which will capture greenhouse gases and convert them to energy, and we'll be able to put it on the grid for credits, and also be able to power our buses. So it's a really unique project, and kudos to Ernie Brown and Mark Avini and their team for putting these ideas together. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. President Glass. Yes, Madam Chair. I would like to suspend the rules. I have a motion to approve a nomination. Okay, we're not there yet. Not there. That's additions and to the deletions we'll get there in a sec. Okay, thank you. All right, Mr. Mr. Turner, right to your turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just a couple of comments about Victor Brick. If you look at his history in the resolution, he at 16 years old, the Nazis invaded Poland. And he joined the Polish underground. And he fought with a Polish underground for three years before he was captured, sent to a prisoner war camp just treated brutally and was released by the allies and then joined the Allied Forces I believe and ultimately came over to America as an American citizen. It's an amazing history and I'm really really honored and proud that he's 102 years old. We're going to honor him with a resolution. The second one is the Board Member Initiative on establishing performance like criteria for micro grids. This is pretty straightforward. Micro grids are the way of the future for the data center community in one form or another, some variation. There's absolutely nothing in our zoning ordinance about micro grids right now. And I think it's really essential that we begin to examine what kind of performance standards and what kinds of regulations and managerial control that we want to serve over micro grids. And so I've included this. It's pretty straightforward, but I appreciate our approval. Thank you. My motion number, I mean, yeah, the motion number 11 to change the Board's rules of order will go into effect the next meeting. We could go into effect this meeting because we're passing it right now, but I will hold it to the next meeting because I think people might not be prepared to do some of these things yet. But on April 1st, we will start to use the new rules of order. A motion was made by me, second by supervisor Turner. All of you please say aye. Aye. the opposed. I'm was from past 702 there was an addition to the agenda Miss miss glass you audition to the agenda chair. I'm sorry point clarification. There's someone else off the day So I think it's a six zero three I have no idea, right? She wasn't there for the vote. She was, but she wasn't there. 60-03 would, yeah. OK, are you saying yes to the agenda? Are you yes for the agenda? OK, 702. All right. All right, Ms. Glass, we're going to do the actual item when you get to, we get to, confirmations. But if you'd like to make an addition to the agenda right now, you can go and do that. Yes, thank you, Madam Chair I'm moved that the Board of Supervisors approve the nomination of Mr. Cliff Kieres to an at large seat on the Board of Equalization for term expiring March 17th, 2028 so the addition to the agenda is that we will have that we will have Mr. Kier's Mr. Kier this motion when we get to Comparations and the addition to the agenda is we're adding the motion to a under-confirmations and we would do that we get there Thank you. Yes, technically requires a suspension of rules when we get there. Yeah, we get there We're not gonna do that right now. We do that when we get there Okay supervisors I have have decided this evening, I'm gonna go for a go, my voice for a cause, and my chair's comments, and I'm doing that because tonight's agenda is so busy. We're gonna be here, if we're out of here by 11 o'clock, I will be very, very happy. It's a very busy agenda, Ted. God, I forgot something. It's also because the information I have, both from being at NACO and from being at Cog, is so important. It is all the information about how the executive orders are impacting loud in the Northern Virginia and all that I've learned, all the numbers, all the nuances, and it's so much that I want to be able to walk us through it's kind of slowly, and I can't do that tonight because the agenda is so full. So I'm just going to forego those things tonight, expect it to next meeting, I'm going to take a little bit of time to talk about my chair's comments, and I have a voice for a cause back at that next meeting, but I just want to forgo with this time. So if I say I will say this, it's going to be a very long meeting. It's going to be a very hard meeting to chair because there's motions on this day as right now that literally are conflicting motions. And so how to put motions out there and when it's going to be a lot. So I'm asking you all, I am begging you all. No site talks tonight. No unnecessary talking tonight, just in general, because this is a tough meeting to get through. And we have all of our speaking slots are full with 21 people on the wait list. And so just that alone is going to make a longer meeting. So I'm just going to say all that tonight. And so please, please begging you, please, to be aware of how involved this meeting is. Mr. Himstreet, do you have any comments for this evening? Yes, Madam Chair. You can't. I have so many comments for this evening. The first is that the upcoming Northern Virginia housing expo on April 12th at Meridian High School in false shirts will showcase affordable home ownership and rental opportunities in Loudoun and the region. Loudoun County is one of several jurisdictions that work together to coordinate the annual event, which will workshops and exhibit hall and one-on-one financial coaching sessions They expose free details about the event can be found at loud.gov slash housing Second renewal applications are due April 1st for participants in the county's tax relief programs for older adults And those who are totally and permanently disabled. Qualified applicants may be relieved from paying real estate taxes on their home and may be eligible for reduced vehicle tax. The filing deadline for first time applicants for vehicle tax relief is September 2nd. Well first time applicants for real estate tax relief have until December 31st to file. More information is online at loud.gov slash tax relief. Third, Loudoun County and the Loudoun Soul and Water Conservation District are partnering in a program to provide funding to homeowners interested in implementing water quality improvement projects on their property or in their neighborhood. An informational meeting about how to apply for grants for the projects will be held Monday, March 24th at 6 p.m. at Russ Library in Leesburg. More information is online at loud.gov slash water quality grants. And then finally, just in time for spring cleaning, one of Loudoun County's most popular services makes its seasonal return this weekend. The first household hazardous waste collection event of 2025 will be held this Saturday, March 22nd at the Leesburg Park and Ride. The service is free for Loudon County residents who are encouraged to bring their household hazardous waste items for safe disposal. The complete schedule as well as information about acceptable materials can be found at Loudon.gov slash HHW. Those are my comments this evening, manager. Thank you, Mr. Hempstreet. So, Vazis, we're going to do item, the information item right on broadband implementation right now. And then we're going to jump to item number nine, which actually is an action item. It's a dominion in energy tree clearing item. I'm going to go on when we get to that, I'm going to put a motion on the table and we can talk about this item through the motion. I know there's somebody from Nova Parks who will join us. I think there's somebody from the men who would join us and be on the phone. But I think we might be able to get that who will join us and be on the phone. But I think we might be able to get that item done before we get to the first round of public comments. And so we will do that when next. However, we'll do the broadband implementation item first. So will the staff please come to the table for the broadband implementation item? Good evening. Give evening, Madam Chair. Ready when you all are Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to provide an update on some of the broadband initiatives that are going on in Loudon County. I'd like to first introduce the other folks that are up here with me. First, my name is Dave Frederick. I'm working the Department of Information Technology and I am working solely on all things broadband for the county. On my right is Nate Wendland, who is the CIO of the Department of Information Technology in Loudoun County. And next to him is the deputy CIO Brian Kimberly. On my left, far left is Kathleen Leonard and Ed Diggs from Dominion Energy. They are one of the partners of the project. And then to my direct left is Tom Menis. He's Vice President at All Points Broadband, who is our partner for the initiative. I'll start off by apologizing for all the acronyms that are in the item. I'll do my best to extrapolate them as much as possible. I'm gonna start with the non-Virginia Telecommunications Initiative efforts that are going on. The first is the RFQ, you may recall a couple years ago, the county set aside a million dollars of ARPA funds that were dedicated to addressing residents in the western part of the county that are deemed unserved and weren't included as part of the VATI initiative. You may remember VATI, it was a moment in time. A year later there were other homes that we knew of that were unserved so those were included in this. It's roughly just over 200 total homes. So that RFQ was awarded to all points broadband as well. And their construction, design, construction activities are moving in parallel with the VATI initiative. We do need to be careful from a funding perspective that the VATI, any remittances for the VATI project, don't coincide with this RFP. There's two separate buckets of money. And so staff were managing it, ensure that there's no overlap. And all points can't serve homes under the RFQ that belong in VATI and vice versa. So we have to, it's a concerted effort to keep those money separate. But all in all, there will be an issue, there will be residents who are part of that project that are served during the VATI phase as well. It may extend a little beyond VATI once VATI is complete. But you will see a mixture of VATI and non-VATI homes get turned up as as part of the RFP. So I just wanted to clarify that for you. The second item to discuss is the new initiative that's being managed by the Virginia Department of Housing and Community Development. It's called BED, Broadband Equity Access and Deployment. This is a federally federal program managed at the federal level. Funds were given to the state of Virginia, the department of the DHCD in Virginia is also managing that. There's also four unserved homes that do not have broadband today. The difference between, there's a couple of main differences that we just need to point out. Staff will continue to monitor it. Staff will continue to report on it. However, Loudoun County is not the applicant for bead funding. That comes directly from broadband providers. So think of your Comcast for Eisen's all points of the world. They will actually, they have actually applied directly for funds from the VAD-HCD. And we're waiting to see the results of those bids. The bids are done at zip code level rather than individual homes so the awards will be done in more of a larger swath than we've seen with VADD. The other component of that is that Loudoun County's role in that is limited. We were, had the opportunity as a county to provide letters of support for any applicants that requested it. We had three providers, the ones I just mentioned, that all requested a letter of support and they were provided to them for their application, which was due March 1st. We're awaiting the results of that and we will continue to work closely with DHCD to get answers once those are awarded. The timeline on bead is really kind of unsettled right now, but as dates firm up, we'll be sure to make sure the board is fully aware of that, as well as any awards that are given for Loudon County. So the other key component to that is if you're in the bead program, you're not in VATI and you're not in the RFP. So the Virginia DHCD is really making a concerned effort to ensure that monies don't get reallocated once they're allocated once and that we get a larger group of homes to be served. The county does not know, staff does not know how many homes were still deemed unserved. But as we've discussed in other meetings, everything is a moment in time. Right? So VADI was a moment in time. The RFP was a moment in time, and there's always more growth and more homes that get uncovered that are considered unserved. now they're eligible for B. So lots of opportunities, a lot of exciting stuff going on and we will keep you abreast of that. Okay so now to VADI. This is the Virginia Telecommunications Initiative. We've been discussing it a lot. So this is the 8,629 homes that cross both Little River and Ketakton districts started in, was a 2022 grant award. This is the project that the county is the applicant and the award E4 between finance budget grant department planning and zoning. We all have and DIT, we all have a small role, but not from a construction perspective. So there's permitting that's involved, there's no funds or ever dispersed until we have the say from a county perspective. And so the full construction effort are done by the people on our left, they'll have an opportunity to kind of just give you a quick, quick view shortly. The progress we've made since we last updated you has been excellent. Dominion Energy is the middle mile provider. So they're the ones laying the fiber that kind of gets closer to the homes and they're nearly 80% complete with their efforts, over 130 miles of fiber, which is no small undertaking. The last mile fiber is completed by all points broadband and their subcontractors. They've begun that effort while the number is still small. It's huge progress. And to that end, in February, Loudoun County, or I guess the first Loudoun County address as part of the VADD project was launched for service. A communication went out, the link to the communication is in your packet as well. So great news that number one, we've gotten there for number one, right? There's still 8,628 to go. And it seems like a big number. However, the swath, the way that Tom will discuss the construction is going, you're going to see larger chunks get turned up in larger groups rather than ones you two's. So that's good. The county, if residents and constituents in the county aren't seeing trucks out there doing work, they're in the western part of the county than they're missing it because there's a ton of activity going on. Trying to think of this. There is some additional funding that the county was awarded. I just wanted to touch on that. It is in the item. The Virginia Make Ready initiative was an opportunity for make ready costs. So getting polls ready and things of that nature, utility polls. For this initiative, Mount County was awarded an additional $380,000, which we've accepted and will be spent based on the efforts that these individuals, their companies have undertaken. So everything looks great. I will say just, I know people are concerned about deadlines and things of that nature. Our current deadline for the project is October 31st of 2025 and everybody continues to march forward towards that date. From a funding perspective, the ARPA dollars do not expire until December 31st of 2026. So we still have a large amount of time to get to that point. The VMRI funds actually expire in June of 2025, and we will have no problems getting those remittances in, and the money will be spent. So things look good from funding perspective and from timeline to meet those funding requirements. So I'd like to just hand it off to Tom. In us from all points broadband to just give you just a couple of key points and things and then we'll open up to questions. It's good to see you Tom. Thanks for being here. Yes ma'am. Thank you. Madam Chair, members of the board. Thank you for this opportunity to provide an update. Also appreciate the time from staff on our weekly meetings and monthly with staff from supervisor to corny's office and supervisor Kirschner's office. A lot of good information exchanged in those meetings. I wanted to add to Dave's comments about the make ready construction process. We're about 75% of the way through between Dominion and Novak polls. At the end of the day, we will have gone through engineering on about 13,000 polls across Western Loutin. In the days before these broadband projects, that would have been about a full year for Dominion across their entire territory. So there's a substantial amount of make ready. And now that we're at that 75% threshold, we can really accelerate our release to construction. Until that happens, we can't attach to electric poles owned by Dominion or Novak. So very good progress there. In addition to the fact that we do have our first customer up. I wanted to draw your attention to the two maps in the presentation here. The first map is of our fiber service areas. They're five across the county. This is how we divide up our network design and how we release two construction. And then the second map is zoomed in version of FSA 2. This is in the northwest quadrant. Each fiber service area is split into a fiber distribution area. And you can see in the text there, they all have a different hub number. So right now we are working in hub number seven. That's where the dokenny winery is. And so when we turn on customers, it'll be by that second set of colored polygons and batches of between 65 and 150 at a time. Supervisor Kirschner had asked a question about the process for new customers signing up. They go to our website, apbfiber.com. They put in their address. If their address is on our list and in a hub area that is active, then we will scuddle them for a drop or an installation. That process will start at the end of March for the homes in hub 7, 6, 9, and 8. And we will be notifying homeowners in those areas by mail or by email if they have pre-registered on our website. So about 10 to 12 more days before folks in those areas can sign up. Closes to the Duke County winery, that's where our act of cabinet is. The next fiber service area that we will begin construction in is loud and four. Thank you to county staff. We've got our electric and building permit back within the last week and that is for loud and four. We have an active cabinet on Harmony Church Road which will serve all of loud and four. So that is the next area for construction and then one three and five will follow in the next quarter. We are working extensively with V.On, Ariel and underground permit approvals and we're going to add a tracker to our next monthly meeting with county staff and the supervisor staff for the status of V.On permitting that is a step in the critical path that will provide more details to staff as we enter April. A lot of other information in the item that I'm happy to drill down on as needed and happy to answer any additional questions. Well thank you and I'm so sad to buzz a cursor could not be here for this update. I know he would want to. But I will ask the question to buzz the cronyy. Thank you so much for that update. So I see a lot of your hubs are mainly in the Ketakton district. Do you know when you'll be getting into the Little River district? It's Southern Loudon. Yes, ma'am. We'll be starting in the area four. We're starting construction there in April. I don't even know. I don't even know. mine district. Okay. And the southern portion of FSA 4 should be in little river district. Is that St. Louis, my name is Chance? Yes, ma'am. And the St. Louis area and Bannerker Elementary has been a known focus area of the county. And a known priority for us since we started the program. in order to get to the unserved areas, we have to start close to a served area. But that's a known priority from the beginning. Okay, and that's in four, hub four, or hub two. I believe it's in four. Okay, yeah, and I wanted to ask, so Sankra, I guess, is doing Bannercare Elementary School. So I was wondering if there was a kind of a slowdown with getting the vatty if we could go with if we could hook up with some of the Segra connections. We have access to all of Segra's lit areas in the county, including Bannocker Elementary and their paths to and from all of those serve locations. I believe that our loud in for cabinet. We do not need to rely on any third party provider. Okay. But we could look at Bannocker as a secondary route. If needed. Yes, ma'am. So when would St. Louis, when's your estimated delivery for St. Louis? So if we start construction in April, it would be at least eight weeks after that. Okay. And then what happens if the October 31st deadline is not met? What's the plan there? So, what we would have to do. So, we're, staff is always constantly working with our partners here to evaluate the schedule and see where things stand. There are certainly some lost time towards the end of last year with some franchise agreement negotiations between towns and dominion energy. The weather wasn't particularly wonderful for us in January either. But we meet weekly, we're constantly looking at kind of time frames. If a new, if we, an extension would be required, this county would be required to apply for that with DHCD, Virginia DHCD. They granted us the previous extension. Their goal is to make this happen so they have every, they would have every intention to extend us as long as we stay within the time frames of the funding requirements. Okay. Okay. And thank you. Nope. That's okay. No, go on. You're still okay. So the bead areas, do you know where the bead areas are? We're looking at there. I know it's more by provider, but do you know where the what areas might be in the bead program? But the county doesn't have access. We have the data is extremely convoluted. The format that DHCD gives us in is not something that we can easily put into a map. We've got something we did work with mapping to try to put something quickly together that I could share with you. That you'd be able to see that. But until the awards are given, we won't know exactly. Okay. Thank you so much for all your effort. I appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Turner. Thank you, ma'am Chair. There's a donut hole around Percivil and Round Hill. I assume that's because they have their own fiber-ority laid. That's because they're served by Comcast and Orvarizing. Okay. Now is my next question. presumably maintenance issues are taken care of by Comcast and Verizon. That is correct. Okay, thank you. Only question. Do you say the... Okay, that was my next question so presumably maintenance issues are taken care of by Comcast and Verizon That is correct. Okay. Thank you Only question. Do you say the B grants were already have already been Received no so the B applications were due on March 1st Mm-hmm of 2025 and we're waiting the the results of Given that that That the B applications is actually called broadband equity access and deployment, do you have any? In their federal grants, right? Correct. And we expect the money is funneling from the federal to the state to then the providers. It's not coming to Loudon County. No, I understand that. I saying they're federal grants with the word equity in them. Yes. And when will this happen? I'm hoping it's happening soon. We expect that by summertime that we'll have the answers from DHCD on who has awarded contracts. Okay. All right, please let us know. Yes, absolutely. Thank you very much. Thank you all for all you do. We appreciate you. Thanks to Mr. Kerstner, who I'm sure you could be here right now. Appreciate you all being here. Thank you very much. Supervisors, we're going to go to item number nine. The Dominion Chee Clearing and the W-O-N-D Park. I don't know if dominion is on the line, or I don't think they're here in person. I know, I know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, is the motion, this is the draft motion. I'm sorry, this is the motion on the supplemental. I'm with the board of directors to rec staff to draft communications and form in the main energy of the board's position regarding their project and expressing support for the continuation of the minion energy's paths. But the TASHA management practices ensuring alignment with the established selective trimming approach to the 2005 memorandum of understanding between domain energy and the Northern Virginia Regional Park Authority. Motion's main segmented by by by share Turner. Discussion on the motion so the minion energy how's it going? What's going on? Is this is this discussion because of power lines? if this discussion because it's just too much to scale back and to trim the trees. Why are we doing this now and why hear me. Madam Chair, we should have Rob Richardson, their communications manager on. Mr. Richardson, can you hear me, sir? Can you stop it? I can hear you. There we go. Chair Randall, can you hear me okay? You can hear you just fine. I apologize for not being able to be there in person. But it's nice to be with you. Thank you for making this meeting link available to answer your question. We are working on a transmission project on the Clark to Eidelwood section of the trail. It's in Fairfax and in Vienna. It's about a four mile section and we were working on a project there and we noticed that the trees in that area had grown up and were causing some reliability concerns for us and so during that time we decided to look at the rest of the trail about 36 miles or so. And we've identified what we think are reliability concerns for the trees along the trail. These reliability concerns cannot be addressed by the framing of the trees. They have to be cut down. They have to be clear-cut it. I wouldn't say they have to be clear-cut it, but some of the trees are going to have to be removed. We've got about two more weeks of work along this four mile section in Fairfax. And then what we're going to do is we're going to pause our work and we're going to continue to look span by span at the rest of these, at the rest of the transmission lines along the W-No-D trail. And we're going to do a couple of things. We're going to, as I said, an analyze span by span what trees are causing problems, what trees we think need to be removed. We're also going to delineate the 100 foot ride of what easement that exists along the trail. And then we're going to also continue to work with Nova Parks and continue to keep the Fairfax and Loudoun County updated on our plans. We have more than four decades relationship with noble parks. It's been an excellent relationship over those four decades. It continues to be an important relationship to dominion. We make the mistake. We understand how important the WNOD trail is to Northern Virginia. How many thousands of people use it and support it. We certainly respect all of those people who do that. We understand how important the trail is to the community. And so we're going to pause our work after we finish the work along this four mile section and then we're going to take what I think what you'll see is a more thoughtful approach to identifying the trees that need to be removed. We have a lot of tools that are available to us to bring back potentially pollinators and other vegetation along the trail that we wouldn't be concerned that it's going to grow into the power lines and cause concerns down the line. Okay, thank you, Mr. Ricksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. What I'm hearing by the span by span process, that is a different process than you're doing right now. It is. Okay, thank you. And from my understanding, Nova Parks was surprised by the cancellation of the MOU, so will Dominion be considering a new MOU whereby there's a more selective process for trimming the trees? What I would say to you, surprise of Brisbane is that we are going to continue working with Nova Parks, I think. Fift. Can, my time be stopped since he's gone? Is he gone? Can we stop for a time? Is he gone? Can we figure out? I've stopped your time. Is he gone? Sounds like we should be having a new lady right now, like he start with time after question ask again. Ms. Brickman. I guess my question was will you consider a new MOU with NOVA parks where by you have a more selective trimming process rather than clear cutting? I'm going to ask you a question again and then we'll start with time after question ask again. Ms. Brickman. I guess my question was will you consider a new MOU with Nova Parks whereby you have a more selective trimming process rather than clear cutting? What we would like to do with Nova Parks, Supervisor Brisbane, is continue to work with them and update them and talk with them about. Okay, so that's that's sorry sir, I'm on a. So that sounds like a no but a maybe. I would say I would say we want we want to continue working with them. Okay, maybe in a different fashion than the end of the Okay, okay. So you know it takes 20 to 30 years for a tree to mature. I lead a bike ride on the WNOD just about every Sunday in good weather. And I will tell you from my experience over the last 20 years, when that WNOD is not shaded, it is brutal. It is absolutely brutal and unhealthy. And I know folks might not believe it, but there is a lot of wildlife that you see when you're on that trail. There's turtles, there's snakes, there's deer. The daffodils this time of year are unbelievable. So my heart is breaking right now. I've been running and biking on that trail from Reston to Perseville for the last 20 years and I will tell you the difference between being on an unshaded trail and a shaded trail is drastic. I actually, I don't know if I want to say this, but I guess I will. I actually nearly killed my dog when I ran on that trail in 80 degrees one year. And we only ran three miles, and he couldn't finish because of the heat. And I took him to the vet, and the vet was like, your dog is completely dehydrated. What the heck did you do? So it is dangerous not to have shade on that block top trail, and I really hope that you guys can figure something out. I'll also say for staff and my colleagues, I sent an email. You may or may not know my prose board appointee from Algonquin, Jameel Connor works for Rails to trails. He's happy to be a resource for us as we think about our documentation, our letter, our resolution, or whatever we're going to do to advocate for a different process from clear cutting. I also forwarded some materials from Mr. O'Connor to everyone, to county staff and my colleagues today that also talks about the benefits, the health benefits of shade and floral and fauna on those trails that are black top. I'm out of time right now, happy to support the motion. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. Richardson, for being here. What day did they start clear cutting this four mile section of the trail? Without knowing exactly, it was several weeks ago, it's my understanding. Okay, in the item that says on March 12, the executive director and noble parks received the communication that you plan to cut all the proportions of the 33 miles of the WNOD trail. And you made a comment that you cut, you clear cut four miles and now you're going to assess the proper procedure or the way you'd rather go in the future. That seems sounds an awful lot like fire ready aimed to me. And I'm really concerned. Let me ask the elephant in the room question. Are you clear-cutting these because you realize you don't have enough power for Loudon County, and you're going to clear-cut these so you can pave the way for transmission lines, down the WNODD trail expanded in the future. Absolutely not. That's 100% not what we're planning to do. I think to be clear, supervisor Turner, I think what we have identified is that we should have been doing a better job of maintaining our right of way along the WNOOD trail. We have no plans to expand the right of way and add additional power lines along the WNOD trail. No plans at all. What our plans do involve is making sure that we don't have a tree in the right of way that can fall and take out one of those very important circuits along the W-No-D trail. That is our plan. The pause is simply because we felt sort of a wave of opposition and concern and we are responsive to the community. And so the way that we can be responsive is we can say let's take it let's take a pause let's take another look let's make sure that we're doing the best job that we can as supervisor brisket to make sure that we're not removing trees that don't need to be removed and that is that is absolutely 100% our attention. I appreciate that and I appreciate that the dominion is now on the record stating that this is not being done to pay the way from what transmission lines that's helpful. To have an MOU in place for 20 years without any hint that there was a problem and then suddenly wake up and three weeks after the fact and find out four miles of the trails has been clear cut and then have Nova Parks informed. It seems to me very, very, very unfortunate. Thank you. So before I do my closing and take a vote, Nova Parks, did you like anything? You have anything you'd like to add or say or? Thank you for having me, Madam Chair and members and supervisors. I wish I was here under more pleasant circumstances. But I really do appreciate the support for the trail. The trail is one of the most visited and loved parks in all of Virginia. And yes, I think we need to have a hearing tonight a pause and a more thoughtful approach. That's fantastic. I think we need selective cutting like there has been for the last many decades. And where there is cutting that is necessary, we need a robust replanting plan with a wide variety of native plants. We're also concerned that Dominion was saying that no trees or vegetation that could potentially grow over 10 feet would be allowed on the trail. That seems like an arbitrarily low number that doesn't really allow for very, very much that you might consider a tree. So we're concerned about that. But we'd like robust, replanting, and minimal cutting. Thank you. So is it Mr. Robinson, Senator Sain? Mr. Robinson, you don't know me and I don't know you, but let me just tell you two things about myself. One, I'm from Denver, Colorado, and two, I really don't go outside that much. I don't want to hike, I don't want to camp, I don't want to see critters, I don't want to be bit, I don't want to sweat. I don't want to go outside that much. I don't want to hike, I don't want to camp, I don't want to see critters, I don't want to be bit, I don't want to sweat, I don't want to be outside at all. In Denver, Colorado, as a child, I heard about the W-O-N-D trail. Somebody that doesn't even want to be out there in it, we learned about the importance of the W-O-N-D trail. When I came here, I actually wanted to one time step my foot on the W-O-N-D trail. I met in about effect, but the turner took me. I saw a squirrel go by and I said, wow, life, cool. And then I left. But the importance of this trail is not just important to loud in or fair facts or a person bill or a loud exandria is important to the country. When a small child who doesn't want to go outside knows about this trail and they live in Denver, Colorado, that tells you the importance of this piece of land to the entire nation. So please do not think that you're doing something that impacts northern Virginia or any one locality. What you're doing impacts the country, and that is so important to know. I would ask a couple of things from the minion. I would ask for better communication. Earlier communication, I would ask that before anything else is cut, you do talk to Nova about the robust planting that you're going to do post cutting. So that they know what's about to happen next after something does get cut down. I would ask it in every way possible you instead do trimming back instead of cutting. I have seen some pictures already of what has come out of Fairfax. It is it is pretty bad already and we don't want to see any more of that. Ms. Brickson is correct. It takes years and years and years for these trees to come back. And the amount of damage to wildlife that you will do is hard to overstate. And so please, please take every effort to do this with care. And please know that I can't speak for any other county, but Loudon County is not happy about this moment. And we are certainly hoping that you take more time and the input and advice and thoughts of Nova Parks as you're doing this. So thank you very much for being here. We really do appreciate that. So provide. Thank you for your comments. I made the motion. Seconded by the supervisor Turner. All people say aye. Aye. Oppose. That motion will pass 702 with Mr. Kersner and Mr. Sains being off the day is still. So the vizier is just not quite five o'clock yet. So it's not quite time for five o'clock public comments. So what I will do right now is misglash. Let's go on since your item is in addition to the agenda and they have to have a suspension of the rules. Let's go on and do confirmations right now. But let's do confirmations and nominations right now. Let's on, Ms. Glass, and make a motion to suspend the rules. And so we can consider your confirmation in this discussion. Thank you Madam Chair. I move to suspend the rules. Motion to suspend the rules, seconded by Ms. Bricks, my discussion on motion suspension. I'll people say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 702. Miss Glass, want you go on and make your motion. Thank you Madam Chair. I move that the Board of Supervisors approve the nomination of Mr. Cliff Kierst to a net large seat. On the Board ofization for term expiring March 17th, 2028. Motion is made second by Mr. Rickson, discussion on the motion, Ms. Glass. I just wanted to say that it was during the time that we went to NACO and with me being late, I meant to make this motion back then. And I wanted to suspend the rule so that Mr. Kierse, if he is nominated to be able to go to the meeting that will be held. I believe the end of this week. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to vote against this motion. And please know, I think Mr. Kierse is doing a great job on the planning commission and he's a fantastic human being. I'm going to vote against this motion and please know, I think Mr. Kieres is doing a great job on the planning commission and he's a fantastic human being. I'm going to vote against this motion for the same reason that I one time voted against a motion for an appointment with my good friend, Doria Bryant, who just came into the room. I'm going to vote against this motion because it feels like we're using the same people all the time. Mr. Kieres is a wonderful man. He's a great public servant. He's also on the planning commission right now And I have worked really hard over the past years since I've been on this board to get more people involved in our commissions, committees and boards. It's not the people who are doing it or there's nothing wrong. They're doing a great job. But whenever I put out a call for other people to be on commissions and committees and boards. I get an overwhelming response of yes, oh my gosh, I will do it. And I remember a long time ago when I put Bernard Mustafa up for the EDA and I got some pretty big pushback on this board. It turns out Bernard Mustafa did a great job on that board and actually became the chair for two terms. And he was just a name that we had never heard before. And so it's my goal all the time to involve more people in loud and county on these commission's committees and boards. This has nothing to do with Mr. Kieres, who's a great planning commissioner right now, and have served many boards already. It is just my effort to say that we don't have to always use the same people and we can try to have a diverse group of people. So nothing against Mr. Kieres, just like there was nothing against Miss O'Brien, when I did the same thing, when her name was put up for something. So for that reason and only that reason, I'm going to be voting no on this motion. Would you like a closing Miss Glass? No, Madam Chair. All right, motion's been made and seconded by supervisor Bricksman, I believe people say aye. Aye. I would be opposed and we have two people who are not here, so that motion will pass 612 with me opposed and supervisor Sains and supervisor Kirschner off the days. Miss Glass, actually let's do this. Do we have any other nominations for today? Yes, Madam Chair. I nominate Ms. Naruti Shastri for appointment to an at-large seat on the Family Services Advisory Board. Okay, anybody else? I have four. I nominate Sherry Kamadas to an at-large seat on the Community Services Board. I nominate Dr. Elshah High Senate to see at-larseed in the Community Services Board. I re-nominate Scott Hemberger to the economic development authority. And that's after I call, but your browser will see me, how many terms he had already served. And I re-nominate Angela White to the Economic Development Authority. That would be their second term as well. Any other nominations? Okay, any other motions needed for this moment? Nope. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much everyone. All right, supervisors, we are at five o'clock so we can go on and do the speakers we have at five o'clock. When I call your name, please come to the podium closest to you. You will have two and a half minutes. You must have signed up in advance to speak. When your name is called, please state your name. And if you like to state where you live, you can do that as well, or who you are representing. call your names two or three in advance and we know that we have everybody so you know that you're up next. Supervised, if you first start calling these names, let me also remind you all, if you have not yet signed We'll call your names two or three in advance, and we know that we have everybody so you know that you're up next. Supervised, if you first start calling these names, let me also remind you all. If you have not yet signed proclamations, those will be done. We're going to start those at 530. So if you're not signed them yet, please make sure you do that right now. They're a part of it of them. They're probably, they should be over here on this table. So if you're not done that yet, this is a great time to do it when we have, when we have a little break to do that. All right, our first speaker is Theo Stemott. It's followed by Bill Junda followed by Casey Fisil. Good evening Mr. Stamadas, how are you? Good evening Madam Chair and for the record I apologize for FFX County President speaking in front of you this evening. Good evening Madam Chair. Members of the board for for the record, the Oesthmadis, Laven County Chamber of Commerce. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you this evening regarding the day center of ZOMC PAM. I would like to address the actions taken, not just on the fourth, but of course, the actions being taken this evening. 15 years ago, Loudon had Virginia's highest real property tax rate at roughly $1,000, $25 per $1,000 of assessed value. Today, the board is considering the county's administrators plan to set the FY26 tax rate at 80, and a half cents, the lowest in Northern Virginia. This budget also proposes a 67 cent reduction on the tax vehicles or fully funding the school's School Board's budget and request future county priorities None of this would be possible without the nearly 1.2 billion in county revenues roughly 38% of all county funding Produced by the day's center industry in fiscal year 2026 This period figured does not include the tens of thousands of well-paying jobs. I see my friend Don Slame and behind me from IBW have created and loud. And I'm spanning from construction to services and data center operations. We would like to express Madam Chair our thanks to the county staff and this board for supporting the implementation of the footnote which you'll hear this evening in phase one, which will further protect existing investments made by the data center industry. The chamber also supports the board's endorsement of a grand filing resolution for administrative applications that were officially accepted by the county on February 12th, 2025. A reasonable grant filing standard sends a powerful message to the entire market, respecting the investment that has been made and loudened. While we share our concerns on having day-sens as a specs in every zoning district and caution this board, the provision excluding applications for structures within 500 feet of residential parcels. Again, I want to greatly appreciate the board and the county staff for incorporating this footnote and drafting a grant filing resolution to protect existing investments in Loudoun County. As always, we are here to help, in any way, Madam Chair, in our committed to working with the county to ensure that we achieve the best outcomes for all stakeholders. Thank you for your service, thank you to the Board for their service, and thank you for giving me the time to speak today. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Bill Janda, call up by Casey Fiesel, call up by Dan Sleiman. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Bill Janda. I'm a loud and resident in the Kentucky District and I'm a civil engineer with Gordon. Tonight I'm speaking up behalf of NAYO regarding the data center. So... Good evening. My name is Bill Junda. I'm a loud and resident in the Catoctan District and I'm a civil engineer with Gordon. Tonight I'm speaking up behalf of NAYO, regarding the data center, so CPMZOM. First, I want to sincerely thank staff for their willingness to meet and work with industry on the footnote text that will allow existing campuses to make modern modifications to their sites. But I really wanted to talk about the importance of the grandfather and resolution that you all will be considering tonight. I wanted to share with you what it actually takes to get an administrative slight plan Submitted and accepted and why a grandfather and resolution is so important. 1,256. That's the number of hours that my firm spent on its last Loudon County Data Center slight plan application to get it in the door and accepted. 1,256 hours. The administrative slight plan process has become so complicated. It requires three times the number of plan sheets that it used to. It requires more stormwater management, more offsite improvement design, more zoning compliance, more everything. 1,256 hours we spent on our last plan. But it's more than just the engineering that went into that plan. Those hours included the two weeks spent in the field by my field surveyors. And we hired a plane with a million dollar camera on it to fly the aerial topography. And another week, locating all the wetlands flag so that we could avoid those wetlands. And let me tell you, as someone who started their career in the field as a surveyor, there are about three good weeks in the spring in three good weeks in the fall where the weather is perfect. The rest of the year, well, it's either really cold or it's really hot and there are bugs and ticks. And There are about three good weeks in the spring and three good weeks in the fall where the weather is perfect. The rest of the year will it's either really cold or it's really hot and there are bugs and ticks and poison ivy. Those are some really hard work hours. And that last submission we made likely meant that some of my folks missed family dinners or a kid soccer game or maybe a band concert. So those hours mean something to me. On top of that, we had nearly 500 more hours from the other consultants on our team for the preparation of the geotechnical report and the drilling, the wetlands consulting, the environmental and habitat surveys, the newly required sound studies, land use attorney involvement, the floodplain study, the architect to show compliance with the new chapter 4 data center building standards, and the archaeological study cemetery walk over, all of which are required for that first submission. So that's more than 1700 hours total just to get the first submission. That's almost 42 weeks of work if one person were to do it. And all those hours cost well north for quarter million dollars plus the $20,000 or so that the applicant had to pay for their application fees to loud and water, ESI and loud and county. So thank you for your efforts to protect not only the financial investment that's been made, but the investment of the time. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Gendon. Thank you. Casey Fiesel, followed by Don Tulliman. Good evening. Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Casey Fiesel and I'm a business development executive for Mountain View Solar and Energy Management Solutions. Ironically enough. Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Casey Fiesel, and I'm a business development executive for Mountain View, Solar and Energy Management Solutions. Ironically enough, I would not be able to read my speech off here if it weren't for data centers. And being a sustainability expert, I didn't want to take the time and waste the paper or the ink to print it off. First, I want to express my sincere thanks for you all giving us the opportunity in the the platform to speak tonight. I also want to thank county staff for the tedious and I'm sure grueling hours they spent preparing this evening's discussions. And finally, I want to thank all those who have been involved in helping us provide some high level thought and discourse for a fairly controversial topic. Regarding the data center, comprehensive plan amendment and zoning ordinance amendment, I would like to strongly and respectfully urge the board to vote for a grandfathering resolution that would protect administrative applications that have been accepted by the county by February 12th of 2025, and I would further like to urge the board to consider or reconsider the provision they have for excluding applications that have structures within 500 or a thousand feet of residential ordinances or property. And for two main reasons, first, the environmental impact, which we know what the hyper-local environmental impacts have been because they've been laid out clearly for us by the PEC and finally workforce development. But first, let's talk about the environmental impacts. We spent quite a bit of time during this last hearing discussing power and it was made very clear that that's not a topic of discussion that the board can vote on. So I would like to talk to you about the environmental impacts. If data center developers are driven out of this county, then we can expect to see a huge influx of infrastructure, including HVDC lines, including fiber optic networks, and also peaker plants, which all might I add have a much greater environmental impact than keeping data center development in Loudon County where sustainability has continued to be a top priority. It makes no sense to drive these folks into the backyards of our neighbors when we have the opportunity to make them more sustainable here in Loudoun County and continue to be pioneers for this industry. And finally, workforce development. I've got 22 seconds left, so I'll sum it up for you. Third party energy contractors, construction workers, electricians, and a lot of your blue collar workforce that exist here in Loudoun County would not exist without data centers and we cannot make them sustainable without those folks. So I urge you to vote for those reasons and I thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you very much. Don Sleeman followed by Brian Clifford followed by Matt Leslie. Ms. Sleeman, am I looking at local 26 out there? Yes you are. Okay, so I just need to save this for the record. I don't have to save this but I'm saying this for the record. I have a son who's an electrician who's a member of local 26. And just for the record. Have a son who's an electrician who's a member of local 26 and just for the record I needed to just say disclose that he is not here this evening. And my disclosure is amazing. Thank you, sir, ready when you are. Thank you, Chair Randall. We appreciate the time to speak tonight and thank you board members. I asked some of my members who all live in the county here to come tonight and I was hoping to have them state where they live in their name and address so that you wouldn't have to have three minutes of 30 people speaking and so just to try to save the board but I was unable to do that but they could all stand of all the IB26 members live in Lowne County please stand up. And we just like to thank the board for attracting this wonderful industry to your county and for being as epicenter of the data center industry. It is provided wonderful careers for our members and a great path to middle class and we just can't say enough about the cooperation we have with this industry and how they do mitigate all their environmental problems. Most of all what we know is how they mitigate their problems with their workforce. They're helping us to clean up the wage staff which is bought on our job spiked by the general contractors in the region from other aspects of the construction industry. They're helping those other trades that are not licensed to deal with that wage theft. We don't experience wage theft in the data industry. We experience another sequence of our construction market. But we really are looking for them to help us clean the top end of the construction industry. And they've been good partners. I just want to say that we support a clean grandfathering tonight and also would really like to have utmost flexibility on the existing facilities. You know, the AOL's first hyperscale, the first hyperscale down a center was built by AOL quite many years ago. Stex infrastructure bought that property, doubled its capacity, and we had over a year's worth of work doing that. And you know, the equipment and components in the data centers because of the VIT and because of AI and other factors, we will have a chance to retrofit all these data centers that have in the near future. And so we'd rather have them retrofit the data centers here, then build some other ones elsewhere in the country. We want to keep that work in this market here, so that these folks can have careers for many years to come. They really appreciate being able, there's a lot of overtime industry, so the shorter their commute, the more time they can spend with their families. And that's what is all about, is nurturing careers that give you a time to spend with your families and the retirement and security and some leisure. And so this has been a great opportunity for us and we really thank you for helping attract this industry. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. St. May I appreciate you. Brian Clifford followed by Matt Leslie followed by Samantha Meizo. Good evening, sir. Good evening. My name is Brian Clifford. Here speaking tonight on behalf of the data center coalition or DCC, a membership organization headquartered in Loudon that includes many of the counties leading data centers owners and operators. Josh and Kate couldn't be here tonight so I beg your indulgence for this humble resident of Sully district in perfect county. So what are the deliberations of the comprehensive plan and zoning ordinance amendments before you this evening DC seen its industry partners including various trade groups in the Lowne County Chamber of Commerce have enjoyed working collaborative with the county staff Members of this board and the planning commission not to oppose the vast majority of changes before you this evening But to help implement them in a way that recognizes existing businesses and investments in the county and does not substantially impair their economic viability. To that end, we are very thankful for the proposed footnote to the use table, but provides flexibility needed to protect existing and partially built campuses. We hope that you will adopt that footnote as part of tonight's proceedings as changes are often required to update in modernized facilities. DCC believes the adoption of a grandfathering resolution is needed to protect that investment made by the industry with applications under review. We might prefer our resolution tied to the setback approved with the zoning ordinance rewrite some 16 months ago rather than some of the larger setbacks that have been discussed in recent weeks but regardless we are very thankful for the support shown to date for a grandfathering resolution and we hope this board adopts provisions this evening along those lines. Regarding the urban employment place type, which may have gotten lost in some of the back and forth in the past couple of weeks, we would ask that due to the unique circumstances of the airport and noise contours that covered the bulk of the area, the board might consider retaining the urban employment place type. And rather changing the use of data centers from core to conditional rather than replacing it outright with urban transit center. The majority of this place type area is within either the 65 LDN airport noise contours or the flood plain, which for the foreseeable future preamps the development of meaningful residential densities required to adequately support the transit oriented, mixed use development and contemplated in the urban transit center. This unique circumstance was the main justification for creating this place type six years ago with the 2019 general plan. It's mostly zoned OP so you need a special exception there anyway so this would really kind of line up the comp plan and zoning ordinance and would mirror what you're proposing in some of the other place types here this evening. With that, I thank you for your opportunity to offer comments on behalf of the DCC and the coalition. Very much appreciate their collaborative relationship with you all. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Matt Leslie, followed by Samantha Meizo, followed by Anthony Soils. Good evening Mr. Leslie. Good evening Chair Randall. members of the board for the record my name is Matt Leslie and I'm speaking tonight in my personal capacity as a proud resident of the Caductan District. I appreciate the opportunity to address you all regarding the data center seat, Pam and Zoam. Loudoun County has earned its reputation as the world's data center capital, a distinction that has not only strengthened our local economy but has directly benefited our residents. The data center industry has been and is an irreplaceable source of revenue, keeping property taxes rates among the lowest in the region while fully funding essential services like schools, public safety, and infrastructure. The prosperity and stability we enjoy today, in large part, is a result of the historical and continued investment from data centers. As you consider, updates to policies and regulations governing data centers, I specifically urge you to uphold the principle of grandfathering for projects that are currently in process. Grandfathering is a fundamental commitment to fairness, ensuring that businesses that have invested in good faith under existing rules can proceed with certainty. These existing rules I might add were not written decades ago, but were adopted a little over a year ago, and were the framework with which countless investments were made that are now potentially at risk without grant fathering. By adopting a straightforward green, clean grant fathering resolution, this board has the opportunity to maintain a reputation for predictability, a reputation that residents, businesses, and investors rely on, and reinforces loud and status as a stable and reliable jurisdiction for continued economic growth and investment. Looking ahead, any changes to zoning and planning should carefully bounce, community priorities while maintaining the economic engine that has allowed this board to pursue its ambitious vision for the county. Given that data centers provide approximately 16 times more value than the next viable commercial use, their continued presence is not just beneficial, it is essential to funding the priorities that matter most to our community. Thank you for your time and for your leadership and shaping loud and future. I deeply appreciate your thoughtful approach to these critical decisions and appreciate the opportunity to speak before you tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Samantha Mezzo followed by Anthony Soils. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Samantha Mezzo and I am the East Region Vice President for Entitlement of Prologists. My Dallas office is located on Executive Drive in Sterling. And I'm here to speak on the data center, CPMZOM. While Prologists may not be a household name, we've been in Loudoun County for more than 25 years, where we have 51 existing buildings. And we are continuing to commit to the county through a recent acquisition of a new warehouse building, and we are planning to start construction on four new warehouse buildings near the airport. Prologist is a proud member of the Loudoun County Chamber, the data center coalition in NAMP. Like other chamber and DCC members, Prologist is also beginning to support the county through processing legislative applications to allow for future FAR, data center, substation, and other industrial uses in portions of our loud and portfolio. These actions would allow for density and uses in the future when sufficient power becomes available. Prologist is excited to continue to invest significantly in loud and county because of the expertise and professionalism of the county's elected officials. Madam, can you just hold a second? Sure. Okay, thank you. Yeah, no problem. And appointed officials and dedicated staff. Prologists recognize that Loudon County's policies provide property owners and developers with certainty and consistency. As such, we support grandfathering in process applications. However, we would request that footnote 7D and 7E be deleted from what qualifies as a substantive modification for legislative applications. We have some applications where we'd like to add battery storage to the use and where land use areas use areas may need to be changed to facilitate more efficient floor plans and developments. These are normal changes that occur during the legislative review process and this board would continue to see and evaluate the entire application during that process. With removing footnote 7D and 7E from the substantive modification list, the revised grandfathering provisions would allow those legislative applications to continue in process. In a manner that furthers the county's commitment to consistency and certainty. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Before I call my last speaker, Mr. Rogers, do you mind government me of resolutions please? Thank you. Our last speaker is Anthony Soils. There you are. Hi, how are you doing, sir? Pretty good. Good evening. Chair Randall, the members of the board, my name is Tony Solis, and I'm a Lisbon resident. I'm a business owner at Plummers and Gaspeaters Local 5. Local 5 is part of the United Associations and Plumbers and Steel Featers in the Mid-Atlantic by Trade Associations along with our sister, Local Steam Feater 6.02 Springfield Featers 669. The three locals represent over 9,000 Plumbers, five Featers and Welders, HBAC Techs and Springfield Featers, who live and work in the DC metro area for remembers that as center represent jobs, some jobs are in construction while others are in service and maintenance or members contract them and regularly visit the facilities to maintain the essential sploming and mechanical systems. Thousands of the members work in data centers providing current and new members the chance to receive training and a skilled trade and their This is the first time I've been working with the community and I've been working with the community and I've been working with the community and I've been working with the community and I've been working with the community and I have been working with the community and I've been working with the community and I've been working with the community and I've been working with the community and I've been working with the community and I've been working with the their revenue, support excellent schools, and provide outstanding public service, including parks and federal responders. As soon as the data centers, the development continues as a key keeping this benefit, which makes La Rerdown County a great place to live and raise a family. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Thank you. So that is all of our speakers for the five o'clock time period. It's a little early to start resolutions, but in fact, I actually see everyone who should be here for the Women's History Resolution. So if somebody could grab the Women's History Resolution, I'm gonna go on and do those right now. I would ask that along with Mr. O'Brien, I'm gonna ask if Aaron McClellan, if Aaron McClellan will come down to the front for the women's history resolution Supervisors, um, I'm stat Tocroni Bricksman and glass would you all please join me down front? I know my dentist is calling you. I knew if I had the view, the left of the bathroom. I did have the whole thing. What I did. I'm going to read the resolution. I'm going to talk a little bit. Whereas since Loudoun County's founding in 1757, women of every race, class and creed have made historic contributions to our nation in various aspects including their their service and the armed forces, healthcare, science, technology, business, education, arts, agriculture, and policies. And whereas women continue to play an essential economic, cultural, and social role in every sphere of American life by comprising a significant portion of the labor force working inside and outside of the home. And whereas women have been leaders, not only in the fight for suffrage and equal rights, but in social movements key to making America, the place it is today, such as the abolitionist movement, the labor movement, and the civil rights movement, creating a more just and equitable society for all. And whereas Susan Carroll is the president of a Nova Loudon Hospital, the largest private employer in Loudon County, and is the only executive within the a Nova Hospital system to have served as president to all five a Nova hospitals. And whereas Loudon County government relies on the dedicated work of many talented women to best serve constituents, including senior County Administrator Erin McClellan, Deputy County Administrator Monica Spells, and Deputy Clerk to the Board, Jennifer Grimmett who wants to refuse us to come down front with us. And in addition, 10 department heads. Now therefore, it be resolved that the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors does hereby recognize March 2025 as Women's History Month in Loudoun County and recognize the vital role women have played in Loudoun County's past, present, and future prosperity. Jury Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Jury and just a minute, Mr. Brian and just a minute, I'm going to have you talk about Miss Carol. But before I do that, I do want to talk about the women in county government in this building. And I want to especially say to Erin, you know, I've said this to you privately, but I've never said to you publicly, I'm extraordinarily proud of you. Your grace, your intelligence, in fact, your brilliance, your dedication to the constituents in Mellon County, it is just unmatched. People really don't know the staff of our county and how hard you all work. I have, we have never called you about something that you didn't know the answer and you usually do. Are you get back to us right away? You are just, you are phenomenal in so many ways and I saw you trying to run out the room. I saw you trying to run out the room but that was not gonna happen. Jenny Bremel will not come down, although I'm not going to make her, although I could make her, but I'm not going to make her. Will you just stand up for me for just a second? Can we give her a hand? Ginny Permail is kind and organized and wonderful, and the funniest person you will ever spend time with. And when you need someone just to be with, that you know it's going to be there for you or pray with you or talk to you whatever, she is the go to person and she is just phenomenal. Monica has left already Monica's bells, but if you don't know, is she here? Seriously? I can't even, my glasses are not on my face. If you don't get yourself up here right now, I did not see her back there. This is what happens when I have my glasses on. She was hiding. You can see her either. Wow. Okay. Monica has one of the hardest jobs and that she does a lot of the behavioral health things in Loudoun County over the behavioral health departments. And if you understand how hard that lift is right now for behavioral health, for mental health, for social health, it is very difficult. And she does a phenomenal job every single day. And so yes, for a client. So we really don't talk about, I don't think enough, the powerful women in this county and what a magnificent job for the county staff, I mean, the county staff does. But I did want to stop today and highlight you, the three of you and all other department directors as well. And now I'll let you talk about Susan why I hand out these vaccinations., Susan really regrets that she couldn't be here today. She's actually in London or she would have been here. And she is incredibly honored to be recognized for this. And one thing I'll say about Susan is she's an incredibly empowering leader. Can look out to Stacy who got to work with her for a long time as well. Regardless of who you are, she's there to uplift you and to encourage you to do your best. I'll also note that of the five care sites that we have throughout ANOVA, three of the presidents of those hospitals are women. So ANOVA does a great job in all ways with diversity and we still take diversity very seriously, regardless of the political climate and are very, very thankful for this resolution. Anyone else who provides just like to say anything? Jenny, you're going to come down here for this picture. Mr. Hamstreet tells you you're going to come down for this picture. Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam Chair. I think that one thing that we need to recognize is you. And the fact that you are the first African-American voted person of color, voted chair at large in any county in the state of Virginia. And I know that we have had women chairs at the county before, but I don't know that we have had women chairs at the county at large who served three terms and the fact that you've been reelected twice is a testament to your leadership and something that we all could aspire to One thing I say every year during women's history month the best thing that we can do for women in this country is past the ERA And the last thing I will say is that I'm really proud of us for recognizing women's history and keeping that on our agenda when we are facing at the national level an erasure of history of so many things, including women's history. So I just want to put that out there. Latin County is going to continue to recognize women's history. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Thank you, Jenny Konda. We're gonna take a picture. You go stand right behind me while we do this. We're gonna take a picture. Not really. I actually don't. I'm sorry, but I really don't. How about we get, we get what I don't. I don't. I apologize, but no. I'm sorry. I think you have a choice right now. I think you do. I think you do. I think you do. But Erin's down here and Jimmy's down here. And so I think you, and you just said, I'm going to start working on this in the're up here too? No, they're not. They're up over here because Mr. Sains is signing them. Is that what you're telling me? Okay, just give them to me as they are then. Mr. Kirsten, right there. Can everybody who's here for gift choose come down please? Yep, those are them. Thank you. I have a lot of them today. Hey, everyone. Yes, I do. I say bye doing. Wow, got the gift shoes. Yeah, hi, Paul. Hi. Hey, hey, hey. What's up going? You would not miss this. I want to do you have you want to go? Okay, so I, oh, look at this, this is the whole room or nothing but nonprofit people. So what I always do, and I know it takes a little while, but it's okay because it's so important. I'm going to have every organization have at least one person and introduce your organization and then I will read the proclamation. And then we're going to figure out how to take a picture. Right, Glenn? I'm going to start down here and just pass the mic down, introduce your organization, and then pass it down. Hi there, Lisa Max with the ARC of Loudon. Trish McNeil, Loudon Hunger Relief. Roman Zalzka's Loudon Chamber Foundation. Doria Brian Loudon Chamber Foundation. Susanna Lee, Tree of Life. Carolyn Haslet, Tree of Life. Stacy Metcalf, Morton Park. Christine Meyer, Morvan Park. Carrie Murphy, Loudon Education Foundation. Kathy Farmer, Master Singers of Virginia. Damon Moore, Master Singers of Virginia. Erin Guleck, Ashley Honeycutt, with Loudon Free Clinic. Kola Costa, with the Community Foundation for Loudon and Northern Falkier Counties. Tammy Carter with the AACA. Tammy Carter with MLK Diversity Engagement Foundation. John Wheeler Loudon, Serenity House. Pam Smith, Loudon Breast Health Network. Alicia Groenke, Keep Loud and Beautiful. Katina Franklin-Sweetie, and Burke Center for Self-Directed Education. I, Kevin Pullin, AACA, and Joyce Gillespie-Harrington, Educational Foundation. Manuel Vasquez, a place to be. Kurt Nguyen, Bridgefeeds Food P Jennifer Montgomery, Latin Hungar Relief. Samantha Clark, law's domestic violence and sexual assault services. Carrie Christofferson, Loud Museum. Ellen Dyke, Spark. Sean Flarity with Spark Sport. Debbie Alexander, especially adapted resource centers or spark. the community. The community is a community that is a Lanzo Patterson with Spark. Here in Grant, Dullesouth Food Pantry. Tanya Atkins, Health Works for Northern Virginia. Darren Markquart with the Northern Virginia Resource Center for Deaf and Hard of Hearing Peer. Brian Am. Turner Reese's resolution. I say this all the time. Our nonprofits are a force multiplier. Government cannot do and really should not do everything. And what you all do is you take up what we can't do. And I know that there are times that you're going to get a phone call at two in the morning and you all are going to be there and you're going to go out. And so I say this all the time on behalf of the board. We say thank you, but right now, especially what's all that's going on and what we know is coming for the Northern Virginia area. We really cannot thank you enough. You all are incredibly, incredibly, incredibly important. Our nonprofit community, our faith-based community, we're just burnna, and that's proof by what we see here today. I'm going to have Mr. Turner, who has lots of experience with nonprofits, read the resolution. While I try to make sure everyone, and for, well, not everyone, but from every organization, you have a resolution in your hand. I'm pretty sure we have enough, actually did enough this time to have every organization have won. And if you don't, let me know. I also may have you sing later on. I'm just kidding. Not today. Have you heard this thing? But but but we'll be back here. We'll be back here. Will you please reach the resolution where I pass them out? We're as countless select excuse me. Whereas countless loud and resonance benefit from programs provided by local nonprofits including human services, educational opportunities, animal welfare, nature preservation and celebration of arts, history and culture. And whereas our communities nonprofit employees and the people they serve are an integral part of Loudon County's economic development, contributing jobs, income, residents, services and tourism opportunities for those who live, work and play in Loud and whereas the give choose initiative organized by the community foundation for loud and northern falconia counties is a day of online giving that has raised over $5.1 million for local organization since 2014 and whereas give choose will begin at midnight on March 25th, 2025 and end at 11.59 p.mpm with the option to participate in the early giving period beginning March 11th, 2025. And whereas Loudon residents can learn more about give choose and donate to Loudon's community nonprofits by visiting www.givechoose.org. Now therefore be it resolved that the Loudon County Board of Supervisors does hereby recognize March 25th, 2025 as Give Tuesday to recognize the invaluable efforts of our local nonprofit organizations and encourage Loud and Residents to be active supporters by contributing to the Give Tuesday initiative. Thank you. Seriously, if you don't get one of these, please let us know when we will make sure that you get one. Here's one here I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. How about you guys join us and be behind us. Have a good feeling. But truly these organizations here just to sample what you'll find. I promise you'll find a cause to speak to your heart if you just visit the site. And March 20th is the big day. So our nonprofits have challenge gifts from donors and we also have $40,000 worth of financial prizes. Thanks to generous corporate sponsors to the Community Foundation. So we have lots of matches. We have almost $200,000 in matching gifts already and more coming in. So thank you. It should also be said, the Community Foundation is, would you guys consider just like a clearing house of nonprofits? How would you say that? I think it's a great way to put it. Clear in house nonprofits. Okay, that's important to say that. Yeah, okay, yeah, there you go. All right. So, I think that's why we're here in the next two weeks. So, it's time we have to go through the next two weeks. So, it's time we have to go through the next two weeks. So, it's time we have to go through the next two weeks. So, it's time we have to go through the next two weeks. So, it's time we have to go through the next two weeks. So, it's time we have to go through the next two weeks. That's why we need to understand this. This is the first time we've been discussing right? It's just that it's really that very, that's what I'm talking about. And then I'm going to share the kind of stories I was feeling very, very, very small, and it's just going down the left. And then I'm going to, those are some of the stories that I'm going to share and then you can see the on to the next one. So, I'll just move on to the next one. I'll just move on to the next one. I'm going to show you the new evidence progress. So I think that we will discuss it and discuss the new evidence. We're going to hear everything we've got like that support you. Thank you. I think we are thinking of something more. We are thinking of something more. We are thinking of something more. We are thinking of something more. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm going to switch to the other side. I'm just going to start with the last one. I'm just going to start with the last one. I'm just going to start with the last one. I'm just going to start with the last one. I'm just going to start with the last one. I'm just going to start with the last one. I'm just going to start with the last one. I'm just going to start with the last one. I'm just going to'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm just joking, I'm going to have to lay it in place. These are not separate areas. Okay, so clearly, there's a close to the main zone at the top. And then I'm sure it's going to be over the clear zone, really, inside. So here's where the main zone is, just inside. So I'm sure it's in place, and I'm going to see this. And it's about clear, and it's about the main zone, I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really quick movement that's a very, very tough and then we do very, very well we take a little bit of care just to let you think that then when you see a little comet in the comet's sound just to let you think that you think that you can see a comet in the comet's sound that's a little bit of a problem and then you think that you time. So that's what the board is. And then you can see the space where it's on this. This is where the gas is. Yes. I know that I am not in the fire. There's something you can't, or if you're just, I am glad, this is on Saturday night, and then, and since the time we've been here, there's a meeting there, that would be ideal. So what it feels most strange is, I would suggest this year, if I could speak a phone and speak a phone, and. And let me say this. Normally I don't like taking up items before speakers who are here to speak on those items. But we have, we have a full list of speakers and we have a wait list. So I could do item 12, which is the item for funds to go to the community foundation. Although there are people who are here to speak on that item. But the truth is when I looked over the list, everyone here to speak on that item, you're on the wait list. You got pushed to the wait list because we have a full 36 speakers and so there's no one to speak on that item who we might get to. And so I think I'm going to go on and do this item, understanding that there are people in the room to speak. I believe just in support of the item, I understand that. But we can probably, even though people are here, go on and push that item out right now. It's my item. It's a BMI, mine's in Mr. Turner's. It's a BMI. I'm going to go in and do that right now. And I do understand, because you have sent the emails and all those things, but you're on the wait list and so you probably wouldn't get to your name anyway. So if you go to item 12 supervisors, I'm going to make a motion. I move to the board of supervisors, appropriate, five million of real property tax revenue in FY 25 and provide a payment in the same amount to the community foundation for Northern and for Loud for for for Loudon and Northern far here. Mr Turner. Check it. This is I bought this BMI for a reason. First, let me say I had a very I have I have talked to. I don't even know how many nonprofits and faith based organizations in the county right now a a lot. As you saw, all the ones that were here today. There was a meeting that was held not too long ago with a lot of people, a lot of nonprofits, representative of nonprofits, loud and human services network, some faith organizations. And the discussion was how bad things have gotten and are getting. I know that everyone got two emails this week from the Cola Costup from the Community Foundation. The details, the increase in needs that we are seeing both for food assistance, for rental assistance, for domestic violence. Everything across the board, we're seeing an increase in the need. The reason this motion is for the community foundation is because community foundation in and of itself is not, women in the are a nonprofit, but they're like a clearing house. So they actually meet with and provide money to other nonprofits. When we had the meeting, everyone in the room, all the other nonprofits and faith base agreed that this was the best way to do that was through the community foundation. So I didn't so much choose this community foundation as much as the other other as the other nonprofits chose the community foundation. I have talked to Nicola Costa many times since then I know the community foundation has put together a separate kind of subcommittee to talk about how to and how fast they can get this money out and by which criteria they will use to do it. If you know the community foundation you know they have a long and solid history of having criteria and objectives and measurements before they either helps a nonprofit stand up, stand up, or give money out. And with the need that we're seeing right now, not later, but this moment, and with the need that we believe we're going to see coming. County government is able to do this right now. We have funds, more funds come in than we expected to come in. We had some unanticipated, unbudgeted money. So this will not disturb the tax rate at all. If so, not disturb either the real property rate, or the personal property rate. We can do this and we can do it and give this to the nonprofits so they can help people in ways that we cannot. And so I ask that you support this motion tonight. Mr. Eternal. Thank you, Madam Chair. So this is coming a little bit by surprise. We have our nonprofit grant funding process that's coming back to the finance committee next month. My understanding from talking to staff is that we are short in terms of our available funding. We fund that entire program at $2.5 million, which is half of this amount. And we were not able to meet all of the requests as part of that program. I believe we're going to end up being somewhere around $1 million or a little bit less short. So I am a little concerned about just simply allocating $5 million immediately to an organization and I'll be an umbrella one. When we have not necessarily addressed our own program, I want to make it very clear that I am supportive if there's a need out there of increasing our funding. And I'm not even opposed to doing a specific grant to one organization. But should we do that, I think it's important that the funding be within the county's identified established areas of need, which is our policy, and that we potentially pursue an MOU to ensure that the funding is going to be provided as we intended to. And I'm not suggesting in any way that it wouldn't be from that organization, but once the money leaves, I think we still have some degree of responsibility for it since it is taxpayer dollars that we're expending. And so my preference would be to hold on this until we get the nonprofit item to us and a minimum to ensure that we are putting parameters that this goes to the county's established areas of need. I don't know that there's gonna be much appetite to do that, but I would perhaps at least suggest a friendly amendment that as the fundings provided, it would be within the county's established areas of need. I will take that amendment, because I'll take that alone, say in your time. I will take that friendly amendment. Okay. Thank you, Moucher. I still wish we could do this differently, but I want to clarify just to make it very clear that it's not that I'm against doing this. I need to understand through conversations of how with staff and others that through an MOU, I'd just be more comfortable getting to it in that way and also with the overall funding amount, perhaps holding some back and reserve, once we have very clearly identified some specific needs that we may need to fund that are even outside this network. Thank you, Ms. Ricksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. I did have a long conversation with Madam Chair and with Ms. Acosta this week about this item. And I am comfortable with it. I think that I think the one thing that might be missing is that this is pretty much an emergency that we're trying to prepare for. And so I think that might have been helpful if it was in the item because we are watching what's happening and we are getting ourselves prepared for emergencies and that we know that are coming down the road. So that was my only comment. Also, I know that rental assistance is one of the priorities here. I'm not sure what's going to be an upcoming item as far as the nonprofit applications and those sorts of things. But as we think about this, I know that we already have a rental assistance program, which is, you know, a little bit more restrictive than what the community foundation might be able to do. But I think we should also look at supplementing that program as people are losing their jobs and inflation rises and, you know, egg prices are not going down, although it was promised. So I think that we should also look at our rental assistance program that we already have set up. But otherwise, happy to support it. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. Kirschner. Yeah, just briefly, I associate my same concerns that Supervisor Litorno has expressed. I mean, generally I'm very supportive of a run-on profits. This did take, again, take me by surprise, $5 million to, yeah, an umbrella organization, but, and I appreciate Madam Chair adding the friendly that it would be within the, kind of the confines and parameters of what we generally would. But, supervisor, Brisbane says that, well, we have an impending emergency. I think that's one one of that is actually an argument for sending it to finance and having a little more thorough discussion on how this is going to be used and for what. I don't see the emergency yet. I see that there are concerns about it. And I think we can move fairly quickly as a board if we needed to. I'm a little concerned that if the emergency as we are calling it doesn't accumulate to the degree that now we've appropriated $5 million. And it really wasn't kind of vetted through. So I don't, again, I'm a huge supporter of our nonprofits. I'm glad I agree with Madam Chair, what she said earlier, that government is not the answer to many things, maybe even most things that our nonprofits play a very valuable role. But I'm not sure, I think we have a responsibility for the taxpayer dollar, and I'm not sure that we've fully vetted this out the way it really needs to be. And I think I'd be far more comfortable with a process to send this to finance, to go through our normal process, and to be a little more deliberate than a motion on the dias without just way it really needs to be. And I think I'd be far more comfortable with a process to send this to finance, to go through our normal process, and to be a little more deliberate than a motion on the bias without discussion to send it to our loudest and not probably committee. Thank you. So first of all, this is not a motion on the bias without discussion. We're discussing it now. So we're literally discussing the motion. And I'm a little confused when people say that they're taking this by surprise. I have said this. I said this two meetings ago on the day it's on camera that I was going to be doing this. And so if you all are surprised maybe I'm just not worth listening to, but I said this. This is not new. So I have I have said this already. and I've told people that I've been having these meetings. None of this is new. If you don't see the emergency yet, then I'm imagining you have not read all the emails. And I've told people that I've been having these meetings. None of this is new. If you don't see the emergency yet, then I'm imagining you have not read all the emails that have come in from our nonprofits that show the increase in need in the county right now. And I don't know how you don't see that as an emergency. Now Mr. Luternerno, normally you and I are unlocks step with doing this thing in the ways that we have done it. But I also think that when you have a situation, you can't act as normal when things are not normal. And when you see the numbers from loud and hungry relief, when we see your numbers from the community foundation, when you see the numbers from when we get them back back when you see the numbers from laws. When you see these numbers come in, we're not in a normal space right now. Whatever the reason, we can figure out the reasons later. Maybe we have some control over those, maybe we don't. But we have and you have over the past week in your emails received the increased numbers. I know you have. I've seen those numbers come in. And so one, you did know about it. And two, you've seen the numbers. And three, I've said this. So with respect, when we get to the nonprofit item, we also know how much unallocated, unassigned money we still have. So I'm not convinced we won't have money when we get to that place, but this is, we are in a bit of break last moment right now with people in need in our county. And I don't believe the beloved county that I know we are should wait and do things as we always do when we're in the middle of an emergency, with respect to my two colleagues, who I do have a lot of respect for. So I made the motion on my BMI, the BMI was co-sponsored by the vice chair, and all in favor, please say aye. Oppose. That motion will pass 702 with Mr. Kirschner and Mr. Litorno voting against the motion. Thank you very much. Guys, it is 6 o'clock. It's still tiny bit early for comments and so this is what I'll do. I'm going to start going through public comments. And if you're not here because it's not quite 6 yet, I will go back to you. But at six o'clock, I'll go back to you and if they still not here, them is keeping moving on because they start at six o'clock. So that's how I'll do that. I will call you in advance. When I call your name, if you come to the podium, closest to you until your name and maybe tell us, if you'd like to, where you're from, You have two and a half minutes, and I will call your name three people in advance so that you know that you will be up next. Up. and maybe tell us if you'd like to where you're from, you have two and a half minutes. And I will call your name three people in advance so that you know that you will be up next. Our first speaker is Chris Kim, followed by James Russell, followed by Colleen David. Madam Chair, while they're coming up, do you wanna do the public hearing after public inputting? I forgot about the 6 o'clock. No, yeah. Yeah, I would do some speakers first. If they're here, I'll take some speakers first. Yeah, Mr. Kim? Good evening. Well, no one's saying there you go. My name is Chris Kim. I'm senior vice president of global customer care and experience at Equinix. Equinix are longstanding residents of Loudon County. We opened our first data center here in 1999. We now employ at the end of last year 482 people in Loudon County. 376 employees and 106 contractors who provide security in our facilities. I'm also chair of the data center coalition and industry group, who I think you've heard from earlier. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you this evening regarding the data center C-PAM. There is no question that the data center industry contributes significantly to the prosperity and viability of Loudoun County. I'm proud to be a member of the business community and the industry that helps start and sustain a powerful economic engine here and to be part of Equinix, an organization that is very active in community service in Loudon. Board members, you have been clear in your desire to mitigate the effects of data center development, particularly where residential properties are in proximity, as well as to continue efforts to reduce environmental and power related impacts. However, it is counter to your intent to reduce environmental impacts by adding unnecessary burdens to any business seeking to modernize and update existing facilities to meet those goals. When a campus is developed over time, it is not uncommon for more efficient solutions and designs to be developed and preferred later in the process, necessitating modest changes to site plans. Requiring a special exception to update existing buildings or change the layout of an approved future building would discourage innovation and the resulting environmental and efficiency benefits you and in fact we are all striving for. Also, as you to phase two I would ask that you support the concept put forward by the planning commission of developing a set of criteria encouraging additional environmentally sensitive and energy efficient development which if met would permit a data center to be approved on a by-right basis on appropriate parcels. Finally I would respectfully ask that you adopt a grandfather in resolution to protect the investments paid by the industry with applications under review. In the case of Equinx, our land holdings in London County are all in the places where this body most supports development of data centers. Our sites are far from residential properties and already have more than one data center on them and have multiple data centers as adjacent need diverse. We believe these properties should be zoned for data center use. Thank you again for your time. I welcome the opportunity to answer your questions and engage you further with you or county staff on these issues pertaining to the continued success and growth of Latin County. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Supervisor, Mr. and I'll get to the second person. Mr. Imtuch, just ask me about this. We have to have a public hearing tonight on the second person. Mr. Imtuch is asking about this. We have to have a public hearing tonight on the property tax increase that we did when we went through the budget process. And that has to be done this evening. So I have to at some point recess this meeting and go into a public hearing and then come back to this meeting. I'm not going to do that to about 6.30. I'm going to try to get through some of these speakers and then I will then I'll stop and do that. But I'm trying to get all this done before we leave the day is for our dinner break. So it's a lot to do. There's a lot to do. And so right now there's nobody that I see that has signed up to speak on that public hearing, which is why I feel comfortable keeping going, keeping, keeping, And so right now there's nobody that I see that has signed up to speak on that public hearing which is why I feel comfortable keeping going keeping on with the people who have signed up to speak on what's on the agenda tonight, but we will have to do that before we take our dinner break, okay? So the next speaker is James Russell and it is six o'clock now and you'll be followed by calling David followed by by Thomas David. Good evening. Good evening. First, they came for the asylum seekers and the immigrants. And now they come for the Palestinians. About two weeks ago, a permanent resident of this country, a green card holder, was kidnapped by ICE with no explicit criminal charges provided. It was over a week until before he got to consult with a lawyer. It was not until he was taken across state lines to Louisiana before his eight-month pregnant wife knew where he was. I maintain, despite how it may sound, that we are months or less weeks even away from such situations reaching the residents of Loudon County. Within these immigrant communities and marginalized communities of various kinds, the confidence of there being any kind of prevention of such cruelties and tyrannies in their life is non-existent. There is no confidence. A lot of people here are talking about the data centers, often many of them for environmental reasons, which I thought was prescient years ago to be bringing up. But I wonder if these people who I admire very much for raising these concerns, I wonder if they are aware of the questions myself and my Palestinian friends and neighbors have been bringing to these meetings about whether or not these data centers are utilized in military actions around the world that are considered by most of the global community and the international legal system to be war crimes, genocide even. We have not gotten a clear answer as to whether or not these data centers, which are a military asset that we must shoulder whether or not they are used in the commission of genocide. The next speaker will be Colleen Davis followed by Thomas Davis followed by Maria Sob. Good evening. Colleen David and I'm a Leisberg resident. Or to supervisors. Good evening. I'd like to briefly address three topics related to the number of data centers that may permanently alter the county's beautiful landscape and the ability of residents to enjoy a place they call home. First, the adverse impact of data centers on public health is real, but not yet completely known or quantified. Some of the developers have tried to mitigate some of the most obvious concerns, but the studies they rely upon regarding the long term impact of electric and magnetic fields on individuals are often outdated and inconclusive at best. Moreover, the studies most often cited by the data center proponents did not assess the long term health consequences of EMF. One thing is certain, a residential neighborhood emits far less EMFs than a collection of giant data centers. Second, the residents of the county rely on you to serve as our representatives and advocates. It is my firm understanding that the data centers developers have engaged highly paid Representatives and advocates have one goal in mind. Gain the approval for the projects by whatever means possible. Therefore, if the majority of the county's residents believe we have more than enough data centers, why are the individuals who are chartered to represent our interest, entertaining exceptions and waivers agreed upon zoning assignments. Already agreed upon. Lastly, if someone moved here today and bought a home near Delos Airport and started complaining about airplane plane noise, that individual would not gain much sympathy. However, an individual would be rightly upset if they moved to an area where the accompanying land was zone for residential use. But the county did a U-turn to obtain a few more dollars and allowed a massive industrial park to be located next door. Hence, this board should not be viewed as a rubber stamp to approve exceptions to pre-existing zoning classifications. In closing, I come to you not simply as a resident or a property owner. I am here in attempt to save my home. My home is where memories have been built, where my children and my grandchildren have laughed, cried, and learned about a concept called community. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thomas David, followed by Maria Sa, followed by Scott Pedowicz. Good evening, sir. Good evening. If it please the board, thank you for allowing me to come before you tonight to briefly address three issues regarding the avalanche of data centers that have encroached on areas that were and are officially designated for residential use. Number one, as you may know, a request for an exception or a variance to a prescribed zoning classification must be supported by a high degree of proof that objectively addresses the benefits that would be stowed upon the public's health and welfare if the waiver is granted. According to controlling legal authorities in the Commonwealth, if the competing viewpoints of the out of state developers versus their current homeowners would leave an objective third party to conclude the issue is fairly debatable the cost for the exception should be denied. Number two, if a developer wished to gain an exception to a current zoning residential classification to build, say, a mega prison, our landfill for hazmat, I suspect the board would look at that application of that nature with a high degree of skepticism. It is universally accepted that prisons and has-mett facilities are not desired by potential neighbors due to their substantial risk. Therefore, prisons are placed in remote areas where maybe they're financially distressed. I submit that the application for the construction of additional data centers in the TPA should be viewed under the same well-focused lens. Finally, it appears from public reports that the advent of data centers and areas have populated the county's bank accounts with a sizable way additional funds. Nevertheless, excuse me, nevertheless, the counties, sorry, lost it there. It reminds me, it reminds me though of an extremely wealthy man who was constantly asked, how much more money do you need? He said $1 more, $1 more. May the county not be known to say $1 more. In some, I present these issues for your consideration. Neither is an attorney, neither is a taxpayer or an investor that's out of state. I'm here for one reason only. I come to you as an individual who has also chosen Loudoun County as my home. My hope in my prayer is that the board will not irreproble alter that equation. Thank you. Thank you. Maria Sob, followed by Roger Smith. Good evening. Hi. Good evening, Madam Chair and members of the board. My name is Maria Sob and I'm here on behalf of Amazon Web Services. Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight about the data center zoning amendment and the comprehensive plan amendment. I'm here to specifically address some of the actions from March 4th. AWS is proud to have made significant long-term investments in Loudon County, contributing substantially to making this region a leading data center market and also leading county in the nation. Our existing infrastructure represents billions in investments, thousands of jobs, and critical digital infrastructure that powers both the regional and national economy. Through strong collaborations between Loudoun County leaders and the business community, Loudoun has established itself as a positive and globally recognized reputation for business investment. fact from 2011 to 2023, AWS has invested over $46.5 billion in the construction and operation of data centers. These investments benefit local businesses and support over 8,800 full-time equivalent jobs annually. These investments are responsible for the strength of Latins economy, the leading education and constituent services it provides to its residents, and the unprecedented relief that residential tax pairs have enjoyed. In 2023 alone, AWS added $333 million to the county through property taxes and fees. We're also proud of our partnerships as part of the community. For example, in addition to our popular AWS Girls Tech Day, we've launched four Amazon Think Big Spaces in county schools to help students get hands-on steam education. And we've also partnered with George Mason University to advance four degree programs related to cloud computing and enhancing local talent pools. We appreciate the county staff's collaboration on protecting the existing investments. This sends a crucial signal about laddens commitment to business certainty and investment protection. As we look forward to the future, flexibility in zoning regulations is essential to enable continuous modernization of facilities and implement cutting-edge sustainability initiatives including evolving energy efficiency. Zoning laws have a direct impact on commercial real estate values by influencing supply and demand dynamics. Development, potential, and marketability. We remain committed to Loudoun County to ensure that the zoning amendments support both community interest and continued growth and modernization of the country's digital infrastructure. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Scott Pedowicz followed by Roger Smith followed by Mary Torepaq. Good evening. Good evening. Thank you, Madam Chair and members of the board. I am Scott Pedowicz with the apartment and office building association of metropolitan Washington. Our members provide nearly 12,000 housing units and 2 million commercial square feet here in Lownown County. I endorse the position articulated by the Chamber, the Data Center Coalition and others, supporting the adoption of the grandfathering resolution for data center applications with the proposed exclusion, without rather the proposed exclusion based on structure setbacks. I want to reflect on some of the comments made about how collaborative this process has been and really highlight the key benefits that Loudens Rebus Data Center presence has for the workplace and housing, the two areas that my members most directly impact. The J-LARC study that was released late last year noted that there are about 74,000 jobs in our Commonwealth contributed directly and indirectly from data centers, predominantly here. And, you know, if you think about that in the context of loud and having an office vacancy rate of only 6.8% more than 10 percentage points below Fairfax, and let's not even get to Arlington and D.C.'s. This is a tremendous benefit to have this employment here. At a time of increased regional uncertainty, it is a benefit and a robustness we want to maintain. We were talking taxes. We are contemplating tax rate decreases with service increases in loud and we are here the envy of the rest of north and Virginia as I go around the region That is a tremendous benefit Fairfax and our own tenor contemplating additional meals taxes just to make their budgets work And to try to maintain their key investments in areas like housing Whereas here in loud and we are contemplating plating, dedicating one penny of this lower real estate tax rate to affordable housing creation. in areas like housing, whereas here in Loudon we are contemplating dedicating one penny of this lower real estate tax rate to affordable housing creation, which I know is a shared priority of all of us because that is something we have discussed often and we look forward and our members look forward to continuing to bring in this community. So taking advantage of all these benefits, maintaining this flexibility allows Loudon to remain the strongest economy in our region. If not in the whole Commonwealth and so, I encourage the Board to ensure that we maintain this flexibility for all these benefits going forward. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Pedowicz. Roger Smith. You will be followed by Mary Mary Tarpeck, followed by Mario Zepiello. Good evening, sir. Good evening, chair Randall I'm Roger Smith. I'm resident of Waterford. I'm here to address three related agenda items agenda item seven the phase one data the sense of standards make a lot of sense. So why exclude any recent applications? Grandfathering is a very blunt tool. Picking a date is a bad idea. Developers say they want predictability and stability. Total residents. I don't want a 180 foot tower appearing in my front yard. That is a consequence of building too many data centres. Some believe that having no grandfathering would be unfair to developers who have already incurred significant costs. But should we not consider equally the unfairness of significant costs incurred by loud in residence due to the additional data centres and the resulting transmission lines that will negatively impact the whole county? On a gender item 8, phase 2 work plan is ambitious, but still does not seem to address how many new data centres are appropriate. It's a claim that data centres are necessary to fund future budget growth. This isn't true. In fact, if the trends continue taxes on equipment in existing data centres are likely to exceed the total county spending increases. Speaking for myself, I believe we should cherish relationships with the existing operators of data centres in Lowne, but we should dis-way new applicants, even helping them to locate in places that would welcome them. And finally, on agenda item 10, micro grids certainly belong in the work plan for phase two. Costly legislative action may be needed, but it will pay off handsomely in the long run. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Smith. Mary Turpack followed by Mario Zempello followed by Mark Pantelio. I am not Mary Turpack, however she asked me to deliver her comments. To you for her. Thank you. Mary Turpack of Love It's Fill. Tonight you're posed to take poise, to take multiple actions that will help the county gain greater control over data center growth. Thank you, that's good news. But I don't understand why you would support grandfathering the 22 administrative applications in the system. By doing that, you are giving up the right to review those applications that still have not received final approval for their site plans. The State's vested rights law gives you the authority to change the rules for applications that have not been approved with very specific criteria as you consider each application. Going through the review process, you would be able to decide on a case-by-case basis the details that govern vested rights, what the status of each individual situation is, and you would have the ability to negotiate better conditions through the special exception process than the limited issues that can be considered during administrative review. Residents in both eastern and western louden have now experienced firsthand that data center approvals come with many land use impacts that may be far from the actual site of approved data centers and these impacts are within your right to consider whether it's new power lines and substations and how they impact neighborhoods or any health impacts from the air pollution from their diesel or natural gas generators. These are real considerations of fairness that loud and communities are facing, no matter where they're located, and we need you to take care of us, your constituents, since we will have to live with the many negative impacts. Whatever reason brought residents out tonight, no one wants transmission lines and transformer stations opportunistically placed throughout residential areas and the countryside. Nobody wants power shortages, water shortages, rate hikes, noise, air pollution, fossil or fossil fuel plants eroding Virginia's clean power goals. And it's up to you to help manage this. So to the audience, if you support more control and do not want the board to grandfather these applications, please stand up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. On behalf of Mr. Turgpack, Ms. Bingo. Mario Zampello, followed by Mark Pantelio, followed by Patricia Steguardia. Good evening. Good evening, Chair Randall and members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Mario Zampello, and I'm the Vice President of Business Development at William A. Hazel. Thank you for allowing me to address tonight regarding the data center, Zoham and C.Pam. I specifically want to discuss the actions taken by the board on March 4th, 2025. A strong reputation as a cornerstone of success in business. Loudoun County is built a globally recognized reputation for business investment through collaboration between county leaders and the business community. These investments have strengthens Loudoun's economy and provided significant relief to residential tax players with data centers playing a pivotal role in this process. We appreciate the county staff's efforts in incorporating a footnote provision that safeguards existing investments in Loudoun County. Additionally, we support the board's tentative endorsement of a grandfathering resolution ensuring that new zoning rules do not apply to administrative applications submitted by February 12, 2025. This sends a positive message to the data set of industry and the broader business community about respecting investments in Loudoun County. We at William A. Hazel welcome and support responsible construction, responsible development, such as the well maintained E and S measures, safety aspects, and good membership of the community devoted to these projects. Thank you for your time this evening. Thank you. Mark Pontiello, followed by Patricia Steggurdiaia followed by Jeff Tara. Wait, no, I'm sorry. He's on the phone. Is that person here? Or is he on the, he's on the, okay, on the way back. Okay, I'll go to him. Good evening, sir. Good evening, Chair Randall and members of the board. My name is Mark Pantello. I'm a resident of Loudoun County, more specifically the community of South Riding. I'm also the Deputy Director of Organizing for the IBW Local 26 and the Chair of our Examining Board. Over the past year, I have had the privilege of recruiting more than 550 electricians to join our union, a majority of whom are working right here in Loudoun County's data center industry. This sector has provided incredible career opportunities for these workers, allowing them to earn family sustaining wages and benefits under our collective bargaining agreements. These are generational changes for some of these folks who start working as a union electrician may put their first child of that family through college. As a loud and kind of resident, I have personally seen the positive economic impact of this industry, not just for the workers and their families, but for our entire community. The data center sector has created high quality jobs, strengthen our local economy, and help keep our tax rates lower, but benefit that every resident homeowner and business owner in the county can appreciate. I cannot overstate the importance of this industry in shaping the future of our workforce and ensuring that skilled tradespeople have the opportunity to build lasting careers. I urge the board to continue fostering an environment where this industry and its workers can thrive together. Thank you for your time and your commitment to supporting working families and economic growth in Loudoun County. Thank you, sir. Patricia Stegg Gurdia followed by Jeff Tara followed by I think the colacosta has left. She's left. I think she left the room So we're gonna go to Ram Rupert Dede who's on the call good evening. Hello good evening chair Randall and the members of the board My name is Patricia Steggerda and I'm a resident of Ashburn. I've lived there for 23 years. I worked at Loudon Hospital before it was in OVA for 20 years in the NICU. I raised my kids in my house in Ashburn. My husband and I paid off our mortgage after 20 years of very hard work. And now my home value is about to be destroyed. Here's a picture, this is appending by right application that is in the pipeline right now. This is going to be the data center. You're going to have to stay on the mic if we can't hear you. This, I'm sorry. This will be the data centers within 500 feet of my home right here. This distance will be barely 500, it won't be 500 feet. That is very detrimental to all of our homes and to our health, to the noise, to the light, to everything. Having it so close, this is one of the closest applications of the county that are going to be near the residence homes. It's not right. Here is the effect of the board's actions to have those data centers so close to residence homes. That is what the 500-feet looks like. This will devastate my home value, and it's going to devastate my retirement. As to that civil engineer that spoke earlier today, he was advocating to protect the financial investment at those data centers. He kept repeating 1,256 hours of surveying and engineering fees that the data centers have invested. I wish he would have spent 1,257 hours just one more hour to come to my house and sit on the back deck and understand what the financial impact of my home is and my neighbor's home's. My impact. He didn't look at that. The investment in his work is probably going to be in his company $100,000 by the data centers. We will lose five times that and our lives and our retirements. Who will protect the residents financial investment? How can we let this happen? And it is essential that the Board of Supervisors assert greater oversight. And at the Board's meeting on March 4th, we could have gone against and voted against the grandfathering exemption. And it undermines that the board, or everything that the board in the county has done. I'm sorry, your time is up. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Is Jeff Tara on the phone? The next three people are on the phone. Is's a ROM, Rupert Ready and Raj Patakar to the next three are on the phone. So we can just go right through those three. Yes, hi. Good evening, Madam Chair, Board of Supervisors. Thank you for letting me speak this evening. My name is Jeff Tara, and I'm a commercial real estate broker who has worked with companies and developers to place investments in this county. I'm also a 20 year resident of the Latin County and while I support adopting a grandfather policy for data centers, I strongly oppose the proposed 500 setback requirement. As a real estate professional, I see first hand the challenges this creates. My clients have invested heavily in this county and continue to seek new opportunities here are now facing uncertainty. The proposed setback directly conflicts with existing zoning ordinance, creating confusion, hesitation among investors. This board spent years developing a comprehensive plan and zoning ordinance only to revise it multiple times. Now, yet another change is being introduced. Investors require consistency and clarity to make informed decisions. Frequent policy shifts create a conflicting message discouraging future investment in development. Loudoun County has benefited tremendously from the economic development driven by data centers, changing the rules, midstream, jeopardize that progress, progress that benefits all of us as residents and business professionals. I urge you to provide a stable and predictable framework that fosters confidence in the development community and shares continued economic success. Thank you for your work. Thank you, sir. Can we go to the next speaker, please? Good evening members members of the board. My name is Ram Rupriety. I am resident of the Northern Vanity Community in Ashman. I completely agree with the speaker, those who spoke before me. 15 years ago, my family and I invested in this community paying a premium for privacy, safety and a promise that the woodland behind our home would remain untouched. We built our lives here, believing in the stability of this neighborhood. Now, their promise is being broken and we are being treated as if our voices do not matter. The proposed high-voltage power lines will describe our privacy and put our children in harm's way. Why is our community being sacrificed? Would you be willing to live with these power lines covering over your back yard, humming day and night? This can be your family's health. The choice to run this power lines through root three and four is not just irresponsible. It is deliberate and unjust. Why were these roots selected while others were spared? Did both assume that we wouldn't fight back? My home is less than 50 feet from this line. I can literally dry my clothes on this power lines. Our children at Rosalic Carter and Rocket High School will be exposed to electromagnetic fields every hour of every day. If these lines are safe, why are they running along other routes? Why weren't alternative routes through industrial jobs prioritized? This decision wreaks off of carelessness, favoritism and a black and disegregate for our will-be. This is not an industrial corridor. This is our home. If you are determined to turn our homes, come into an industrial corridor, then why our homes set a fair market price? Do not expect us to silently accept having power and force upon a while corporation's profit. The data centers require more power to find responsible solutions that do not endanger residents. Many countries, including India, are investing in the underground power lines. Why can't one of the richest counties in America do the same? Or is it easier to cut corners when it is not your family at risk? We do not want tax break and from data center revenue. This is nothing less than a blood money. We refuse to be sacked for corporate interest. Stop all power lines. Stop roots pre and four. We demand underground alternatives. The future of our families and community depends on it. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Can we go to the next speaker, please? Supervisor Sains Board of Supervisors of Loudon County. My name is Raj and I am from the Sterling District. And myself and all the families of 2,400 students who voted for you to protect everyone, not just some, are here to urge you to take back your recommendation to the school board and please please stop pressuring them to allow blue or green routes on school grounds. Mr. Sains, you send us an email and he told us that you absolutely hate the Loudankan De Parkway option. Why don't you also hate the blue and green option too? Don't our lives matter? All lives matter. Those of you who are mothers and fathers should know that what you have done is equivalent of sacrificing one child to save another child. Which parent would do that? We all woke up one day to see your recommendation to the school board to sacrifice the health, safety and lives of 2,400 students and hundreds of families. It's not just us. Everyone in Loudon County is watching that you willingly told the school board that it is okay to allow high power voltage lines 50 feet, just 50 feet over where these children are going to walk to school and 300 feet from where elementary school kids will be studying and setting a precedent here that exposing every other school in the county. If tomorrow they want to build another school through another school, what will you say? Say no now, resign your recommendation, you need to go back to them. You have taken Dominions world on face value. We have sent you a lot of information that we as citizens were able to dig up, which shows that clearly that there are partial underground route options which have been rejected by Dominions because they don't want to work hard and they have deadlines Please work with them help them solve those problems Where there is a will there is a way Have the will to fight for 2400 students and hundreds of families are like us that will be affected Data centers may be good for our economy, but please stop these impacts on communities like ours, otherwise we will all start hating them. We need to have a third party independent review of Dominions report to ensure that the communities' best interests are met. Undergrounding may be expensive, but we have the richest county in the U.S. today. And the need for power is growing. Thank you. Your time is up. We have one more speaker online. Can we go to that person and then after that we'll go to Hassani K and Jagadash Shinerri. We have one more person on the phone or no no Okay, we're ready We are ready Good evening One second I'm sorry. I think there was somebody on the phone. Is he there? Okay, just tell him to hold up and try to fix what's going on and then I will I will go to are you miss? I'm sorry, I think there was somebody on the phone. Is he there? Okay, just tell him to hold up and try to fix what's going on. And then I will go to, are you Ms. Hassani K? Yes. Okay, and after you, we'll go back to the phone. We're ready when you were. Yes. Good evening. My name is Hassani. I'm a junior at Rockridge High School. And I'm an alumna of Rosalie Elementary, both schools that will be impacted by the power lines. And I volunteer at Rosalie every Thursday and a couple of weeks ago when I walked through the doors and I smiled at these third graders, I realized that they don't know. That 369 feet away, there will be power lines that can hurt them so much. We don't even allow cell phone towers near our schools. And I don't understand why a 720,000-volt power line is even an option. I've lived in this neighborhood my whole life. I've seen little kids take their first steps and moms nurse their kids in homes that will be in the shadows of these huge power lines. And this is unacceptable because it's not just about power lines. Children who live near high voltage power lines have double the chance to get leukemia. That means two times a chance of kids to spend their childhood in wards for chemotherapy instead of playgrounds. Is this a risk you're willing to take? This isn't something that you can undo. Please reject this plan. Demand answers, demand real research, and demand that every possible alternative be explored. Because years from now when people look back at this, they're going to remember who fought for us and who didn't. Thank you. Thank you. So, that was to use amazing. And I love to have young people talk. However, we do not clap in this room. We don't allow our rules of order. Do not allow neither cheering or garing because both those things can get out of line really quickly. So you can do jazz hands, but I would rather you don't cheer or cheer when we are in the room. And that's not my rule, it's the rule of the board. It's in our rules of order. That young lady was an amazing speaker, but if we can do that, that would be preferred. Can we go to the phone? Are we ready? Okay. Good evening. My name is Shravan Dukaraju, and I am resident of Lord and Valley Estates too. I am here today to strongly oppose the overhead power lines particularly around our school systems. By selecting one option over another, you have divided our communities. As elected officials, your responsibility is to protect and unite the entire community, not to favor one or the other. Supervisor Saints, I understand that you have worked with a member of our community, a community in the past. However, that individual has since resigned. And our Hetzwey Board is now forming a new committee to represent everyone in our neighborhood. We know that partial undergrounding is possible in 2025. Dominion has claimed that they were unable to engage with MWAWA, but that is not accurate. MWA has allocated approximately 800 acres of land to Dominion, and additional parcels also available near the schools to accommodate transition stations to enable the undergrounding. Now is the time to make things right. Loudon County is known as one of the well-deus counties in the nation. Please act before it becomes known as the counties are under by power lines and cell towers around the public properties. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I'm going to, if I mispronounce your name, I am sorry, and if you come up with your pronounce correctly, from me, I'd appreciate it. After you, sir, will be Sam, Matroja, followed by Mala, Kaba. Good evening, sir. Good evening, board, Chair Randall. My name is Jekithees, and I'm from Loudon Valley County. I'm living in this community from last 10 years. I'm here to urge you to not pursue installation of any high-voltage power lines near our children's elementary and high schools. What you are proposing are not standard residential lines. These are high-voltage lines carry 50,000 times more capacity and cannot be assumed to be harmless. Any overhead route preference should be least impactable to the community, right? Before making your recommendation, did you consider the safety and healthy of 2,000 plus young children from pre-K to high school that attend these high schools every year. Your recommendation directly contradicts the documentation facility, documented facility safety guidelines. Virginia Department of Energy Guidelines for School Facilities in Virginia's Public Schools page number 16, item 9 states, quote, location of schools near electric power transmission lines or other environmental hazards should be avoided. Yes, these are just guidelines, but they are created for a reason. Please, please respect them. Chair Randall, we urge you to use your influence to amplify the voices in your community which are being ignored. Mr. Sains, we need you to ensure the pressure from developers who want to full, self-future lots should not outweigh the current community of actual homeowners. Our communities are rallying to legally appeal any installation near schools and children, effectively disrupting plans to meet the project schedules. Instead, we request you listen to the community and work in tandem for a better solution listen to the community and work in tandem for a better solution. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Sam, Maturra, followed by Mala, Kaba, followed by Cheyess, Chummeda. Good evening, sir. Good evening. Good evening, everyone. As you know, LZPS is weighing a lot of information to make recommendations on the proposed routes for Golden and Mars. I just want to point out a few points so you can make an informed decision. The first one, the impact study that Dominion has shared with all of us is deeply flawed. It only considers physical structures like homes and schools, not the number of people affected. If the number of people's impacted were factored in, the Green and Blue routes would rank among the worst options. The proposal for partial or full undergrounding of the lines has not been thoroughly researched either by Dominion. Other communities like in Chino Hills, California have forced utilities to go underground. Black and Veatch, that is a contractor that designed and implemented the 3.7 mile line in California, is also a contractor for Dominion. The Dominion has said that they need about six to seven acres of land to install substations to be able to do undergrounding. That is false. 10 years ago, in California, the same contractor did it on three acres of land. So that's incorrect information as well. Dominion has repeatedly said that there is not enough land to build substations. They have said so without exhausting all options. For example, one of the land parts of the question in Sterling, Virginia, on Pavlovland Road, is owned by Microsoft. I personally work at Microsoft, for Microsoft. So I went ahead and talked to our Director of Environmental Sustainability, as well as an America's lead for land development. I can connect Dominion with Microsoft. If they really need to pursue and look at this option. Finally, I know that data centers tax revenue is important to the county. We are not talking about data centers right now. We are only talking about the routes and how the power is applied to the data centers. So do not take the money part and make that the big deal over here. Make the health issues that kids are going to suffer be the main reason why you pick one route or the other. I know these schools are really close about 300 to 400 feet from these lines, that 2,400 students by picking one set of kids or another is just wrong. I mean, how can you pick favorites amongst your own kids? I sincerely hope that you make a choice inside with the kids and pick routes away from schools. No more routes on the school grounds now and forever. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Mala Kava, Calva. I'm sorry. Palabai, she yes, I'm sure yes Comedia followed by Dorna trainer Good evening, good evening, Board of Supervisors. I am Malakalwa Resident of Lauren Valley 2 in Ashpon. I'm here to convey the community Disappointment that the board sub Board of Supervisors has picked the recommendation option that will serve impact the safety and health of our children who attend Rosalie Carter Elementary School and Rockridge High School. I want to highlight some of the points here. Health risk of high voltage transmission lines, Virginia Department of Education guidelines inaugurate impact assessment, and a proximity of the housing homes, homeschooling independent review, I'll resign recommendations of Explore Alternative Activities, alternate, alternate use. So I want to just let it more deep into these bullet points, the highlighted points. My kids currently walk to the both schools. The proposed lines go right above their sidewalk, the way they walk under the project, proposed the construction of double circuit for 100 kilowatts and 230 kilowatts, overhead transmission lines, which can result in several severe health issues for our children and the staff members. Research proves that this will increase the risk of cancer, especially for younger children. And there is also a Department of Education guidelines, according to the Department of Education guidelines, as one of my neighbours said, guidelines of school facilities, the location of the schools near the electric power transmission lines, and the other environmental hazard should be avoided. The guidance supports our argument against the placing high voltage lines near the existing schools. The rock reach already has a big cell tower, the school board does not allow cell phone towers. can we allow high-voltage transmission lines to in the school board does not allow cell phone towers, how can we allow high voltage transmission lines in the school ground? I think if the snow accumulates more than in the western part of the northern county, the school board may decide to close schools in addition. If a power line is approved on one school ground, it could extend to another school. So inaccurate impact assessment. The table submitted by the domain is inaccurate incomplete because it must include number of student staff and families affected by the school. When this is considered, it becomes clear that green and blue lines are not the most impacted. We cannot consider the school building distance from the power line, but we need to consider the students on the football field, baseball field, and the soccer field, which are less than 500 feet. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. I think the next person on the phone, she has come media, been in doorknob train to Iran, supermoney. Good evening, Madam Chair and all the members of the board here. My name is Shia Shamedia. I am a software professional. I am a father of two young children, aged two and five. And I am a concerned resident of Laudan Valley II in Ashwin. I'm here to represent the voices of thousands of children and teachers whose health and safety are addressed due to the proposed overhead, high-voltage power lines by Dominion throughout community. These overhead lines, particularly the blue and the green routes, will pass dangerously close to Rosali Carter Elementary School and the Rockridge High School, and some homes will will be as close as 25 feet from these lines. Our primary concern here is the severe health hazards associated with the wrong exposure to electromagnetic fields from high voltage power lines. Numerous studies have lent EMF exposure to increased risk of childhood leukemia, cancer and serious neurological illnesses. Our children, teachers and families should not be subject to these dangers simply because Dominion prefers a cheaper, faster option. Secondly, the catastrophic response by proximity of these suggested over-adlines to heavily wounded areas and existing Columbia gas pipelines on blue and green routes cannot be ignored. A single incident could lead to devastating consequences. Prioritizing cost over community safety is not a responsible decision. Moreover, the decision to recommend these routes violates Virginia's own guidelines, which advise against looking at schools near electric transmission lines. New schools cannot be built in such a way that existing schools have been disregarded. Why should our children safety be treated with less care? Additionally, Dominion has demonstrated a lack of transparency. The justification for dismissing underground alternatives is flawed. Partial undergrounding remains viable and safer option. Other developed regions worldwide have implemented underground solution to mitigate health and safety risk. Why can't we do the same in our own wealthiest countries in the nation? I also urge you to consider the unequal impact of this decision while the Loudon County Parkway auction was rejected our community has been unfairly burdened. Every child safety matters equally, sacrificing one community for another is unacceptable. We protect our children. Prioritize their health and safety or corporate convenience. They know to bleed blue and green routes. We deserve a solution that safeguards our future. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you, sir. Dornar, train to follow by Aram Subharmoni followed by by Srikar Sohra Panihei. Good evening. So I'm Dornatainter from Waterford speaking on behalf of the Loudon Transmission Line Alliance. We're here tonight to express our enthusiastic support for the CPAMZOM amendments, but we do not support grandfathering. We've been advocating for responsible least harm transmission lines, but that's becoming impossible. I know that there are members of this board who have said, and I'm paraphrasing slightly, they want the data center industry to know that some members of this board recognize that everything they do is fundamentally dependent on the industry's willingness to give us over a billion dollars a year in revenue. But we are struggling with the damage from data centers and the transmission lines that are needed only because of the data centers and want to remind you that our quality of life is your first primary responsibility. We need standards and transparency and the agility to keep up with the rapid changes. The LTLA is asking what the final vision is for build out. How else can we plan? How many more data centers, substations and transmission lines? What happens as data centers get built outside of existing transmission corridors? Two years ago there was speculation that loud and might exceed 40 million square feet. We are currently close to 50 million with close to 60 million more in the pipeline. The current data centers will continue to upgrade to faster, hungrier, computer chips, even more power. We're looking at 50 new substations, some of which will require the board's approval effectively deciding the route of the transmission lines and the fate of Loudon residents. At these meetings, we hear about the good jobs that data centers create. They are good jobs. Unions have made America great. But the J-Lark points out that these jobs are largely during construction, which we knew. We've loved getting revenue without putting many cars on the roads and kids in schools. Loudoun has had at least one data center under construction every day for the last 14 years, creating demand for these jobs. But infinite growth is simply not possible. There's already concern that AI may not be economically viable. What if the AI bubble bursts? Here in the data center, Nexus of the world, and I quote another member of this board, we have both a profound responsibility and historic opportunity to redefine and permanently reshape the digital world and the power infrastructure relies on. And we must act now. Thank you. Thank you. A'ron, super money, followed by Shreedhar, so Rapanani, followed by Shreedar, so so Rapa Nani followed by Shreedhar, Sandra. Listen, seriously, please correct my pronunciation of your names when you come up. And I am really sorry if I am misfinancing your name. So please correct them when they come up. Yes, sir. Thank you. Good evening. Tonight is stand before you as a concerned parent and a member of this community. A community that values the health, safety, and future of our children above all else. The proposed high-power transmission lines near Rosalie Elementary and Rockridge High School are not just an infrastructure decision. They are a moral one. This decision will impact thousands of students, teachers, and families for generations. We cannot afford to get it wrong. The scientific evidence is overwhelming. Peerview research studies show that these EMFs and high-voltage power lines increases the risk of childhood leukemia, cancer, and psychological harm. The WHO classifies these EMFs as class B carcinogen. Yet Yet we are being asked to accept these power lines less than 50 feet above sidewalks our children use daily. Ladies and gentlemen, this is an Erin Brockovich moment. If we proceed with the green and blue lines, we will someday have blood in our hands. Some argue that these roots affect the fewest homes that impact study is deeply flawed as suggested by some of our other speakers. Why is this boat comfortable playing God with the likes of over 2,000 children, teachers, staff and other families? Virginia Department of Education prohibits EMS near new schools. If it is unsafe for new schools, how can it be safe for existing ones? When cell phone towers are rejected, why are power lines acceptable? This isn't about statistics, it is about real lives. The decision will have national repercussions. If we allow these power lines near schools, we set a dangerous precedent that compromises the safety and health of millions of children across the country. Hence, it is not a local issue, it is a national one. You are being watched for the, you are the custodian and the guardians of the citizens of this county. Our community has identified a viable solution as our friends spoke before. The Blue Route option won with partial underground. When Microsoft is willing to work with the county and allow us to use their land to use these underground options, options. Why can't the community. The community is the community. The community is the community. The community is the community. The community is the community. of Supervisors and the LCPS School Board. Please have accountability, transparency, and a thorough review of all the alternatives, including on the ground options. Thank you. Thank you, sir. The next two speakers are online, are on the phone. And then after the next two speakers, be Racheca, Juncanella. Juncanella. Hello. I am Shrikah Sirpani, a six grade and I'm a former student of Rosalika at elementary school. Basically, I live right behind Rosalika at elementary school, same as my other friends who live right across me. I feel like the power lines will greatly affect our community and it will destroy the ecosystem. And I'm here to request to reject the green and blue lines proposed in the Dominion Project Golden Mars. It has around like 500 kilowatt substations and it's a near-school property where tennis courts are there and around 2500 students will be affected. It also sends electoral magnetic waves which will lead to cancer and affects again 2500 students in the school zone. And And I thought that if you also walk to school, which most people do, if you walk near the power lines, the effect will be harmful and is also devastating. So I humbly request that you don't do and reject the green and blue lines proposed. And thank you for your time. Thank you, thank you young man. The next speaker will be on the phone as well. And then you will call you up, sir. We have one more speaker on the phone. Do we have one more speaker on the phone? No? The call just dropped. Okay, so we'll go back to that person. You will be next, sir. Are you Rastraka? Okay, and then after you, we'll go back to the phone and then we will go to Seerbracharb, Boomer ready, good evening. Good evening, madam. Good evening, madam chair and board of supervisors. My name is, my name is, sorry, my name is Raju Kanula and I'm a resident of you know, lot of value to installing this state. So I'm here today to wise my concern and oppose the recommendation that was given by Board of Supervisors to allow construction of double-circuit transmission lines near school premises, which basically the schools are Ros a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a very important and a elementary and a rocker in high school. So kids currently, they also walk to both schools. And the proposed line will go directly about the sidewalk which they will be walking under them. Some studies have also related health issues, especially among children with this high power transmission lines. So this proposed high-voltage and transmission lines, it may impact both children as well as the school staff, though. So the research shows that some of the research done on this topic shows that this can increase the cancer in the children and some neurological disorders, even though this may be inconclusive, but I mean they said that too. Also, according to the, according to the Virginia Department of Education, the guidelines for school facilities clearly says, you know, the IPAO transmission lines cannot be, cannot be near the school premises. And also the table of impact that was submitted by Dominion, they're not all factual, then they are incomplete too. The report did not take into consideration the number of students that get impacted and also their families and the staff needless to say the staff to. So please resign this recommendation. I urge you to please resign this recommendation. Thank you, Erwin. Thank you. Thank you. Is he back in the phone? Okay, let's go back to the phone. Ready when you are? Yes. I'm going to come back to you all over there and we're going to go to Seversha, Ruma and then we'll come back to the phone. Are you here? Good evening, ma'am. Hello, can you hear me? We can hear you just fine. Good evening, board members. My name is Sireeshabhumaradi and I have been a loud and counter-resident for the past five years. Like many of you, I'm moved here seeking a spacious, green and family-friendly environment. My family and I spent a year searching for a perfect home and we finally settled what was once considered the richest and most beautiful county in the nation. But today, that beauty is disappearing. My morning walks with my children and my pet along Loudon County Parkway, a place we once cherished, are now clouded by the fear of what is coming. The Dominion Energy Golden to Mars project threatens to bring 500 kilowatts power lines along the Loudon County Parkway route within 50 to 100 feet of thousands of homes, Stone Hill Middle School within 500 feet, Mooreville Middle School within 500 feet, Primrose Daycare where you see infants and toddlers within 50 feet, I know a medical center within 50 feet where the patients can even touch from the I know a medical school, the power lines that go along the Loudoun County Parkway. There are many schools along Loudoun County Parkway and this will hit 17 communities in total. I am afraid there is a right of way, route, orange 5, along, route, and, loud and County Parkway, which is the most disastrous route, which will impact 17 communities, thousands of families with a ripple effect of a few more thousands of families along the loud and County Parkway. Please take care of that. Do not give permission to go to the right of your route, Orange Line. Please look for possibility of partial undergrounding in the proposed five routes if that goes near the schools. Please look for partial undergrounding. If at all, if there is a possibility within the five proposed lines, if that goes near the schools, please take care of that. This project will directly impact thousands of families in our community. Forget walking along a loud and county parkway. Soon, I won't even feel safe letting my kids play in our backyards. Stop the Golden Mour's project from coming onto loud and county parkway. This county is rapidly turning into an industrialized zone at the cost of our homes. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. We want to try the phone again. Okay,ival, Lord Mary II. I'm a father of two kids going into school of Rosalic Carter and Rockridge. I grew up with saying health is wealth. When being esteemed committee knows that we are doing this project of dominion for creating wealth, including the health. When the health is not considered for the kids who are the future leaders, future economies, future businessmen who are there to create the wealth, if they stop their growth by creating such a project where it is a electrical hazard for young children growing in that environment will create problems to their health where we are stopping a health, wealth generators who are the future investment of this country for growing in a safe and secured healthy environment. We dream about kids. When the dreams shatters because of creating investments, for them, the future of the kids, we are generating investments by losing the health. It's not right decision. I request the HISTEM people over here to make right decision and that to create the safety and healthy community where the kids can grow in safe and health without ill-clicable hazards or EMF area. And one more thing, financial guarantee, the Loudon County is giving to the residents who use the guarantee of health. What happens to the kids who grow under these alcohol-magnetally fields? So I request everyone to oppose the fund or what power line near to schools and please create a health and safe environment for kids to go and learn and become a rightful citizens of this country. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Our next speaker is Enbita Gendari. Gendari followed by Sandra Madapalia, followed by Colin Gillis. My name is Enbita Gendari and I'm a 15-year-old freshman at Rock Ridge High School. My family moved to Loudon County five years ago and I missed my home in Massachusetts where I had a big backyard filled with flowers. I loved spending my days surrounded by nature and I was excited to have a similar experience in Loudon County but with the power lines that feels impossible. Instead of nature and open skies, thousands of families along Loudoun County Park Rail may soon be staring at massive power lines. There are thousands of homes, schools, daycares and hospitals along this road. I started a change.org petition to oppose the golden to Mars power lines along Loudoun County Parkway and 600 people from 17 different communities have already signed it. I would like to submit this petition on behalf of hundreds of both students and their parents who are deeply concerned about this project. Loudoun County Parkway is home to thousands of families who chose this area for its peaceful environment, open spaces, and strong sense of community. Now this is uncertain. Loudoun County is meant to be a place where families can thrive, where kids can have a happy and healthy childhood, and where communities can grow. Not an industrial zone filled with data centers and high voltage power lines. But if this project moves forward, it threatens to take that away. So I'm asking you to think about the thousands of families along Loudoun County Parkway. The ones living here now and the ones who will grow up here in the future, please don't let Loudoun County become a place where families lose their homes to industrialization. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Sandra Maddie Patula followed by calling Gillis, and then we'll go back to the phones for Shushman Luka. Good evening. Good evening, Chair Randall and the Board of Supervisors. I'm a resident of Laudan Valley to community. I'm here to urge the Board to take back your recommendation to choose the blue line or green line that is Route 4 and 3. There was aalled to know that the board thought routes blue and green are the least affected routes among the proposed routes. The routes 4 and 3 are the most jeopardising routes for the children of Rosalie Carter and Rockridge High School for the health and well-being. It's so scary and insane hearing about the impacts of EMF from these mammoth power lines on our children. I wonder if the board would have approved the 500k with transmission lines to go around the schools if your sons or daughters are studying the school which already has a cell phone tower in its premises. I want to know if there was ever a study done on the combined effects of radiation from the existing cell phone tower near the Rockridge High School and the EMA from the new proposed transmission lines. I completely understand that the data centers are essential infrastructure for the businesses and I'm not against the progress in development, but definitely not at the cost of our children's health. I request the board to reject the lines, blue and green which immensely impact the schools and puts the health of 2,400 students at risk. I ask the Dominion to go partial underground. I've been talking to my fellow community members and the parents and all the parents are losing sleep over this issue. Please reject these power lines to force the Dominion to go partial underground and keep the children safe. Thank you. Thank you, sir. We're going to go to calling Gillis. Ms. Gillis, hold on. All right. Miss Gil. All right. Ms. Gillis, thank you for holding. And then you'll be followed by Shishmont, Loka, followed by Zebulan Tainter. Good evening. Good evening, Chair Randall, members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Colleen Gillis. I'm an attorney with Curator Partners. And I'm here this evening on behalf of my client, Yonder. Yonder has made significant investment in Loudoun County and started developing in an industrial area of our COLA. Throughout the years it's built in Loudoun County. It is sought to be a responsible and responsible developer of data centers. In fact, in meetings I've had with some of you prior to me being retained by Yonder, you've commented and remarked to me that Yonder's data centers are some of the most attractive, well-designed and well-cited data centers in that part of the county. You may have driven by Yonder's campus on North Starball of our near the Interstate overhead power lines at Traverse Loudoun County and near a slew of other data centers. For all intents and purposes Yonder's properties are surrounded by industrial development and data centers. Yanders purchased the land in reliance on the belief that it was buying land in an area that was appropriate for data centers and zoned accordingly. And after closing on the property, it submitted a site plan at a cost of between a quarter of a million and a half a million dollars. No small or inexpensive task. Unfortunately, the administrative plan kick out for data centers within 100 feet of existing residential. If that's approved tonight, yonder will be forced to show that site plan for 12 months or more while it seeks special exception approval. We understand the board's reason for this, however. The property that is subject to this plan that I'm speaking of tonight is literally the hole in the donut. Surrounded by properties that are zoned and site plan approved for data centers but also by homeowners that have been before you seeking the rezoning of their property for industrial development because of the proximity to data centers. It is these residents that want to rezoned to IP and do not want to remain residential that would trigger that 500-foot kick out for Yonder. If these homes are, as the homeowners have claimed and it seems some of you have agreed, too close to data centers to remain residential, we suggest that requiring Yonder to seek a special exception for data center use and causing a 12-month delay is unnecessary. Tonight we urge you to reconsider the 500-foot kick out because the drastic effect it will have on the investment that Yonder has made and hopes to continue to make in Loudoun County. This property is exactly where you want data centers. Yonder wants to work with Loudoun County and will continue to work with Loudoun County in developing its campus responsibly as it already has. But please don't put a wrench in the development of our program by requiring Yonder to get a special exception in an area that is planned for transforming and developing as a fully industrial area. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Gillis. Sushma Luka followed by Zebulan's trainer followed by Shetan Doma. Okay, Zebulan's tainter. I don't think I've seen there you are. Followed by Shatana Doma and Shrinivas DiKonda. Good evening, sir. Good evening. By now you've heard a lot of arguments against grandfathering data centers and I agree with those points and I oppose more data centers. I'm not for tearing any down. But if build you must and I think you will, there's a study that's going to be published in two weeks that looked at growing up specifically adverse and positive childhood environmental experiences. And the author is considered 2,246 articles, 87 met full criteria for reviewing environmental influences. And community level variables were often measured as deficits or risk factors. Most of those studies were conducted in North America. Relationships between community variables and individual well-being showed mixed results for social characteristics, probably because humans are so variable and unpredictable. But more consistently, positive associations per strengths-based measures of natural and built environments. Key findings were accessed green spaces and walk ability that a lot of talk about walking tonight. There's a robust study, a body of research supporting the mental health benefits of children being in nature. Numerous studies have found that kids living in greener environments have better moods, higher self-esteem, and more resilience. Research has also found that long-term exposure to nature reduces stress and anxiety in children and lowers their levels of aggression. Nature time can also lead to cognitive improvements. One systemic review looked at various nature-based interventions in five to 18-year-olds. Researchers found that engaging in nature can improve kids' working memory and attention One small study even found that children who grew up in greener spaces had increased to volume in the areas of the brain, the deal with memory and attention. Sociale, a systematic review found that time outdoors can improve pro social behaviors, including sharing, cooperating and comforting. Nature can be particularly helpful for those who have had adverse childhood experiences, making art and nature affected about 100 children and a low income neighborhood in England. Their confidence, self-esteem, and agency all improved. Maryland is increasingly having kindergarten outdoors. Most of us accept the growing evidence that nature promotes mental health. My purpose here is you prepare to build things as to ask whether sacrificing more green space or access to it can benefit our children as much as leaving it there. Mr. Tainter, thank you very much. Your time is up, sir. Shaitan Doma followed by Shrinivas DeKonda, and then we will go on the phone for Pradeek Jha. Good evening. Good evening, everyone. My name is Shaitan Doma, and I'm a six-grade student at Stonehill Middle School in my sister's studying at Rock Ridge High School. I'm here today to talk about a justice situation about the 500-kilowatt power lines near our schools. I'm worried about the impact it could have on our health, the safety and education. These power lines create something called electromagnetic fields that are harmful to our health, especially kids such as me are still growing. The study show that being near these power lines for a prolonged time might increase the chances of getting a sickness such as cancer, specifically leukemia. As children, our bodies are more sensitive to stuff like this. And we need to be safe while we grow and learn. These power lines can also create a disruptive hum that can distract us while we are in class. It would be hard to concentrate if we hear a constant hum while we're trying to learn. We also spend lots of our time outside for recess, sports, and field trips. And we want to enjoy a peaceful environment, not one that's impacted by loud power lines. The towers holding up these power lines are really tall and could potentially be dangerous. If something goes wrong with the power lines, it could be dangerous for students, teachers or anything nearby. Even birds and other animals could get hurt by the electricity in the lines. We know that power lines are important for electricity, but we believe they are set for ways to do this. Maybe the lines can be moved further away from the schools, or we could use an undergone power line so they're not a problem. We hope the school board will think the supervisor board will think about our safety and make the best decision for all of us. Thank you. Good job, young man. Thank you. Thankrinivas DeKhanda, followed by Pladeek Jaw. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Honourable Board Members. Friends, I will be describing briefly how to write about my intent like what I am speaking. So basically I am talking about the Domino and proposed Romanian power lines in our neighbourhood within like Lauren County. So there are like numerous studies which have proven that like there is a direct correlation between the high voltage proximity to the child wood looker area. So which is like this has been proven in numerous studies, basically, it's not one study. So I have actually given the handouts to each board members. So within those handouts, like there's a link, there are numerous studies among those cancer rates and all that. So also there was another study conducted in Colorado, the school children who are impacted. So the children who live near to the proximity of high voltage power lines, not just like voltage power lines, it's like very high voltage power lines. They had like, this is it has been proven that they had two to three times of like developing this cancer is more real. And also not only that, not only the children, the workers who worked on the power lines, as well as the workers who worked on the buildings and all that, they were affected. Also they were affected and also they reported the breast cancers. So imagine, so it's not only for the children, it's effects everybody, and these are the fundamentals. I'm just trying to put forward to you. And also the high power, voltage power lines are still effective, macro level, micro level. But these power lines proposed by Dominion R, very high power, high voltage power lines. EHP is there called extra high voltage power lines. So imagine these power lines will will be basically like not even like 10 times or 100 times, it will be thousands of times of effect will be there in the radiation. So I would urge honorable members and chair, please, please reject these high voltage power lines near the proximity of the schools where our children should go in a healthy environment and even their staff like as my friends spoke about 3000 people getting affected within the school area and imagine nearby neighborhoods. There will be a lot of people getting affected and also like imagine like 20 years ago I think like most of you are like at the same age the industrial parts for the crew. I am sir, sir. Out of the city. Thank you. Thank you. I think most of you are at the same age. The industrial parts for the crew. Thank . . . . . . . leadership in making out on one of the best places to live in the US. Today, however, I come to you to register my grave concern with the proposed older-to-mars project that seeks to put overhead power lines very, very close to our schools and our communities. As a father of three children, that attend Rock Ridge and Rosalie Carter School. I can't even envision my kids being exposed to these over the ground, high-powered electric lines multiple times a day. Also thousands of kids that live in my neighborhood and a hundred and thousands that attend the school every day. The long term safety and health concerns of these high power electric lines are well documented. Many studies have been already shared with you. If there is any doubt in anybody's mind or even a question, it should be laid to rise by seeking independent advice from an expert in this field. The impacts of the high power lines to neighbourhood and property values are also well documented. Today, I seek your unconditional support for voicing complete opposition to any proposal that seek to build overhead power lines close to our schools and neighborhoods. Number two, seeking alternatives and finding solution to undergrounding them near the schools and neighborhoods that are in proximity. None of our residents should be impacted for the sake of greater good. This impacted option is not an option because if one of us is impacted, all of us are impacted. We also cannot accept a response that undergrounding these power lines is not feasible or very expensive. I can't imagine this project is more complex than putting a person on a move, which is counting USA can solve both of these things. Yes, we benefit from the business. That cannot be the reason to compromise health and safety of our residents. Or turning our beautiful ads and stirring into a series of box buildings and power distribution lines everywhere we look. Thank you for your kind consideration on this topic. Thank you, sir. So we have one more speaker before we go to the waiting list of speakers and we will have speakers into 727. But we have one more before you go to the waiting list. Good evening, sir. Hello, everybody. I think the speakers who spoke covered most of the effects of the line, power lines and everything, but I'll keep it brief. I lived in Virginia for the past 25 years. The first day, five years, I was in Macleen. Then I moved to Lodden County, Sterling, and 15 years ago, I moved to Lodden Valley villages. When I first moved to Lodden Valley, 15 years ago, when I was used to dry on Northern Valley, except for one Verizon and a gas station, there was nothing else. And when I was driving a suit, I used to see a lot of animals crossing the Australian, the Northern County Parkway. Now it feels like as if we are the animals, like the data center pushing us out. That's how I feel Look at the data centers that are they are building every day and coming to the lines That are proposed on the Loudoun Valley or whatever the two trans-facial lines that they're trying to connect they're going to Through the school property and every time somebody time somebody brought up the blue and recommendations by blue and green line by the committee, I saw Miss Randall, you were shaking your head, what are they talking about? But I saw this from your website on January 22nd, it said, after evaluating the potential community and environmental impacts of each proposed alignment, the Board of Supervisors identified Route 4 as a preferred alignment route 3 is the Board of Supervisors, second preferred alignment. This was what was sent to school board to pick or whatever. This reminds me of my kids when they were young, as soon as they come back from school, me and my wife used to ask them, we want appular orange. Not, we want a fruit, they say no. When you say, we want appular orange, they're forced to pick one. This exactly reflects like that. You're not telling them, okay, we want high-powered lines that they're planning in school property, which could have adverse effects, long-term effect on kids. Then you'll get 100% votes to say no. But here, you already gave them options at the same time. This is the preferred one. This is only two options. That would put them in a situation. They related. They have to pick one. And both of them are not good. That's what my suggestion. I'm already done. So, Dominion, they have so much money, they can easily do underground and if possible, push them for underground lines please. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. You are our last speaker before we go to our waiting list. When we have two minutes for the waiting list, Mr. Montgomery has left the building. The first waiting list person we have is Todd. Steg, Gurdia, are you here Todd? Okay, wonderful. You will be our next and our last speaker, sir. Good evening again. Madam Chair, thank you for your leadership on this issue. My name is Todd DeSteggerda. I've been up here before. My wife, a long-standing nurse in Loudoun County, is now the easel in a reverse role. Navy. I did the entirety of my 20s in the Navy, served my country, settled down in Ashburn, 23 years. I raised my kids and invested in my home. Our home is our future. To put it most succinctly when I saw what had been happening and I was shocked, I was horrified and I think it is outrageous what this board has done with respect to grandfathering. The effect of grandfathering to allow these by right pending applications to get approved and allow something like 60 million more square feet of data centers in this county is irresponsible. And the effect of it on the homeowners is being completely ignored, completely ignored. This is what occurs by this strategy by this board. This right here is my house. These are massive data centers with refrigeration units. Does anybody want to buy my house? You want to buy my house? Does anybody here want to buy my house right now? Do you live next to one of these things? Where's the compassion for the residents? This is too close and you all know it. And you hide behind a zoning ordinance from 2003, the developer that's proposing this didn't even live in Loudon County in 2003. They just bought this to flip it. And here I am 500 feet from a data center. My kids won't even want to inherit this house. They won't want to live here. We will have to move. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay. That was our last speaker. So let me just say what we have to do just very quickly, I need to recess this meeting. Everyone just stay where you are. And I need to call to order the public hearing for the notice of proposed real property tax increase. As of now, I don't see anybody on a list that wants to speak on that issue. So let me just ask right now before I go through everything else. Is there anyone who wants to speak on the issue of the real property tax increase? Is there anybody on the phone who wants to speak on that item? There is not. There is not. OK, then I'm going to adjourn that item and go back to our meeting then. OK. We need to take a break because we've been on the day since 7 o'clock. Supervisors, we are going to do one-clote session in break. When we come off a break, what is going to happen if people want to kind of stay here is this. We're going to come up break. We're going to do board comments, which means if supervisors choose to, they can respond to any of the statements that were made during public comment. And then we're going to take the two items that are about, the two data center items up. Those are the two after break, we'll do closed session. I'm sorry, after closed session, we'll do board comments, and then we'll take these two items. And so if you'd like to stay here, we will try to get these done. Now, these items are going to take a long time. There's a lot of motions on this day and they're complicated. I am so going to take a long time. But we do invite you to stay if you'd like to. Our, if not, go home and watch us on television or something else. But we are going to take a break, Mr. Turner, which you please read us into the first closed session? Are the closed session that regards the county administrator? That's the moment we're going to do right now. I move the Board of Supervisors recess this public meeting and enter into closed session, assume to sections 2.23uant to sections 2.23711A7 and 2.23711A8 of the code of Virginia to consult with legal council and staff members pertaining to actual probable litigation involving the county and the architect for the animal services facility. We're going into closed session about the county administrator. Number two. Okay. Everything I just said never mind. Close session Number two. Okay. Everything I just said never mind. Closed session number two. I move that the Board of Supervisors recessed this public meeting in Andrew in the closed session pursuant to section 2.2 30 7 11 a1 of the code of Virginia to consider personnel matter involving the annual performance review of the County Administrator. I will second that discussion on that motion. I'll move his aye. Any opposed? the annual performance review of the County Administrator. Sir, I will second that discussion on that motion. 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I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go, ma'am, I'm sorry. I fell asleep there for a second. I move the closed session be adjourned that the Board of Supervisors reconvenes its public meeting that the minutes of the public meeting should reflect that no formal action was taken in the closed session and further move that the resolution certifying the closed session be adopted and reflected in the minutes of this public meeting. Second. Second, discussion on the motion. All people say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion passed 9-0. Would everyone please affirm? Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. And aye, affirm as well. Thank you very much. All right. board comments right now before we take up the next item. So the board comments, Ms. Amstet. And disclosures. Yes, thank you. All right. Thank you, Madam Chair, on disclosures. On March 7th, I met with Ben Wales on the Magnolia Rose application. Also on March 7th, I met with Ben Wales on the Magnolia Rose application. Also on March 7th, I met with John Cox, Chakoon, and Charles Yellard on the Cross Mill Center application. on March 15th. I had a phone call with Charles Yud on the Cross Mill Center application. I have no board comments, thank you. Ms. Guess. Thank you Madam Chair. For disclosures on Wednesday, March 5th, I met with representatives from Peterson to discuss the Commonwealth Center setback application. Thursday, March 6th, my staff met with a representative from Equinix to discuss several of their upcoming applications. Monday, March 10th, my staff met with representatives from J.K. Land, holding to discuss the Cross Mill Center application. I just want to thank everyone for coming out today and speaking to us about your concerns. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Mr. Latterno. Thank you. I actually meant to cover this earlier when I was opening the meeting, but I just wanted to take a moment and reflect on Sudisca Kanaki, who was a resident of my area in Loutin, who tragically went missing in the Dominican Republic on March 6. We have been praying and hoping that to what be found, fortunately, she hasn't been and her family now believes that she may be deceased, so I certainly just wanted to express my thoughts and prayers with the community, really promising young woman, University of Pittsburgh students, just a total tragedy. As a parent, every parent's worst nightmare to hear something like that. So I know all of us, you know, we've been thinking about it and praying for her. So I just wanted to express that tonight. Otherwise, I know we have a long meeting. I have some comments on certainly some of the issues and items coming before us, but I won't take up time here during a couple of comments. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Tachroni. Thank you, Chair Randall. I want to thank Supervisor Luternoy. I have been thinking about that family. I'm glad you brought that up. I want to thank everybody who came to speak tonight. I heard you about the transmission lines and the impact to your quality of life. Unfortunately, I think more transmission lines are coming. The Morrisville to wishing star transmission line is a rec and rebuild that will impact my district and the dullest district. We heard about that from Dominion the other day. So that will be coming to the public so the public can have a voice. Probably in May I think they're doing outreach to minion to different communities along that line. But I hear you I hear all the residents there are impacts and it does affect your quality of life. On a positive note, today is my daughter's sweet 16 birthday. So my daughter is turning 16 today. Yeah. on a positive note today is my daughter's sweet 16 birthday. So my daughter is turning 16 today. Yeah, so I'll be taking some cake when I get home. But I know that, you know, she's really growing up. And I'm sorry I'm going to miss her birthday tonight, but I'm going to take her out Friday night. I want to mention that on Friday, I attended a COG Farm meeting in Montgomery County, and we talked about the need to have a farm to food bank program, especially with some people losing their jobs, the federal workers and contractors, and also how we can capacity build with infrastructure like cold storage. So'll be looking for ideas to help our farmers meet some get get the infrastructure they need and also maybe come up with a farm to food bank program. Brambleton office hours are March 25th from 4 to 7 at the BCA the Brambleton Community Association office on Ryan Road. And I just want to throw out the scrape for the grape is coming up on Saturday, March 29th from 10 to 1 and Saturday, April 12th from 10 to 1. And that is an opportunity for people to come out and get rid of those invasive spotted lanternfly eggs on grape vines and fruit trees. So I will be going on the 29th and I'd love to see people if you want to join me. Thanks. Bye. Mr. Sains. Thank you, Vice Chair Turner. I'll start with the scloses first. On March 7th, my staff met with the applicant team for Cross Mill Center on March 10th. My staff met with the applicant team for Magnolia Rose 1880. Thank you to everybody that came out to speak today as I normally say. Could have been anywhere which I chose to be here to speak your piece on issues that are near and dear to your heart. So we really appreciate you taking the time to do so. Just want to clear up a few things regarding the golden-tomars power lines. As it's been mentioned a few times tonight from the speakers, yes, the board did endorse routes 3 and 4 for the transmission lines, the permit submission line, excuse me, for golden to Mars. Reason being, if you look at all the routes that Dominion says they're going to file with the SCSC and disclosure here, the board supervisors does not make the decision on where the the power lines go. If it was up to us, we would be voting for the lines to be buried. But that's with the SEC. And so we took the, made the decision to vote for three and four of those routes, because those are the routes that are most less impactful to all the residents that are on the Loudon County Parkway corridor. There's thousands of homes that potentially could see those power lines. So when you look at it from that perspective that's why those routes were selected. But it I think is what missing from the conversation is I'm going to read the full motion again so everybody hears it. The board approved identifying route four of the Golden Tommar's transmission line alignment as the county's preferred route and route three of the Golden Tommar's transmission line alignment as the county's secondary route preference. We will also advocate, and I'll say that again, advocate to have Dominion Energy bearing any transmission line's plan to pass closer than 500 feet from any resident or public school and direct staff to continue to work with property owners, loud and county public schools, the Virginia Department of Transportation, Metropolitan Washington Air Force Authority, and Dimension Energy developed the proposed route. So within our motion that we passed a few weeks ago, in there when I just stated, again, we are still going to advocate and work with all those stakeholders to try to get the power lines buried. Either buy the schools, 500 feet, or 500 feet, and close proximity to the residents in that neighborhood or to the schools. And we're also going to be working as we've stressed. And I've talked to the Loudoun Falley State's residents numerous times that we will continue to stress and advocate for bearing power lines on a different route along 606 on MWAH property. But again, that's going to take a lot of effort, which we are up to the challenge to do. So, because that's Chair Randall X to say, We do hard things and this is a hard thing to do, but we are taking up that challenge. We'll continue to advocate for those lines to be buried and looking at alternative routes. So I wanna make sure that is not missed to the residents that spoke here today and has been emailing us. I think that has been missed during the discussion. So please take note of that. But again, if we choose not to pick some alternative routes, the SEC could potentially pick the route that's gonna impact thousands of residents who drive up and down that Lowne County Parkway quarter every single day, because that's one of the routes again that Dominion is asking for. And I want to stress again that these lines, unfortunately, do not fall in our preview. We do not make the decision. It's the SCC. And we will continue to give updates. We will continue to meet with the residents. We will continue to meet with Dominion. We will continue to meet with the public school system here in Loudoun County. We will continue to meet with MWAH and advocate and see if we can get these power lines buried. that the Romanian has told us they will be looking to file by the end of March early April. We're trying to ask them to do an extension of that and hold off, but we will continue to have this fight in these conversations. So I want to make sure to stress that point that again, the board has taken a position, yes, on routes three and four, because they're less impactful. And we will continue to advocate for bearing the power lines and also want to stress that, I know it's mentioned numerous times that, you know, yes, the Parallel lines by schools is not the best option, but I would admit that, but we hate to say it, but it's true. We do have Parallel lines by numerous schools right now. There has not been any issues, as far as I know, my son's attended one of the schools that has been, has Parallel lines since 1997. There's been power lines at one of the schools, and there's not been any issues. So I just want to point that out there and home value as far as, no, I did some research. There's actually one home in the last six months that's by power lines by the school that I'm talking about. That's all for one point, almost $1.4 million. So home values in Loud and County are going up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Berksman. Thank you, ma'am, Jag. I will associate myself with many of the comments from Supervisor Sains. First, by the way of disclosures, today I met with Chuck Kuhn and Charles Yud from JK Holdings about the data center, standards location CPMZOM. On March 11th, I had phone calls with Ben Ben Wales and Colin Gillis of Curata concerning Magnolia Rose and yeah I'll echo a little bit of what supervisor Sainz said and it's I do appreciate folks coming out and telling us their concerns but I think there's a misconception out there that we have the power to reject certain routes that Dominion is proposing we don't have that power. We have the power of our voice. And you know, as Loudoun County, the entity is Loudoun County, the jurisdiction. And we have been working really hard to use our voice and to enter into the cases with SCC. We always advocate for undergrounding the power lines, but SCC makes the decisions and those who have petitions or want to Engage, I strongly recommend you engage with SCC on this case, Just like we are. As far as the earlier discussion about the emergency funding To community foundation, I just want to point out that there was an article in Axios, I guess last night, that said, first time unemployment claims filed by Virginians surged in the first full week of March. It could be the first data driven look at the impact of Trump administration's federal spending and workforce cuts on local jobs by the numbers, the 4,000 initial unemployment insurance claims filed for that week is 40% higher than claims filed in the previous week and 81% higher than the same week in 2024. So I'm really proud that we are actually preparing ourselves, having gone through COVID, we know what the community is going to need, and we're getting prepared to do that. On some happier news, we will be celebrating trails day in Algonquin District with a biking with brisk men event, partnering with bike loudened rails to trails, Route 7 Brewery, Arthur's ice cream, and Maverick bikes for a casual eight mile bike ride starting at Route 7 brewery. So all of the information is up on my page and in my newsletter if you would like to join us we would love it. Since we're doing little mom bragging tonight, I want to publicly congratulate my daughter Jordan who is graduating from University of Delaware. this May, she's actually finished, but oh, I'm gonna get for Clempt. She has been accepted and has put down a deposit to attend graduate school at UPEN. I took the day off yesterday to go tour UPEN with her and oh my gosh, I never knew that there was such a beautiful campus up there in Philly And so just extremely proud of you Jordan. I know you're up for the challenge and congratulations to you. As far as the gun violence archive reporting this year, there have now been 2,900 total gun deaths and 50 mass shootings in our country. The deaths include 52 children under age 11 and 194 teens ages 12 to 17. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. Crowley and Ms. Collins. Did you guys do your disclosures? You did, okay, I'm sorry, Mr. Kersner. Thank you, Madam Chair. Welcome everybody. Thank you for coming out. Thank you, thank you to my fellow supervisors and the staff for being here and for all the hard work that you do. As always, first of all, disclosures on March 6th. I met with my staff met with the applicant for Magnolia Rose application I'm that'll be coming up in April I have kind of three updates from Katocton the first I got to attend a very important round-making ceremony Which this board had a lot to do with the air mount air mount round hills new air mount tank on Friday, March 7th. I very much needed improvements, so thank you to my board for helping to fund that. We had some folks from the community, the mayor, some of the town elected officials were out there as well as those working on. They just poured the concrete for the base, a very important day and really important for that area. So thank you. Second, Morven Park is holding its spring horse trials later this month. And then in April, they'll have a question events almost every week including but not limited to schooling days in the park, Nova Springs Show and the Loudon Hunt Pony Club horse trials. And then third, I have really good news about Sweet Run, the State Park, Virginia's Department of Conservation and Recreation is holding a virtual meeting about the park on Wednesday, March 26th, from 6.30 to 8 p.m. Members of the public can sign up from the meeting. Here at presentation about the draft plans for the park and give their input on these plans. If you can't attend the meeting or you have more thoughts to share, the department has set up a survey to click feedback about the park and about their proposed plans for it. And there was a, I wasn't here for the consent to genus. There was a couple things on the consent consent to genio that I wanted to mention on item 1D the loud museum. I'm really glad I appreciate my super whether we're voting on this. It's a cornerstone to our county's history, and I'm glad that we are supporting this great museum. Also, item 2A, Nancy Nicholson, is incredibly well-qualified for the role on the commission of aging, so thank you for placing her. I'm assuming it passed. That was on the consent agenda. We are honored to have her serve as the Kentucky District Representative on the advisory body. And then on item four, I want to thank DTCI for working with the Waterford Ridge community to make that this happen. My office was glad to initiate this request and we appreciate it being put on the consent agenda. As far as nominations are concerned, I'd like to make an nomination since I wasn't here as the chair and she that was okay. I nominated Scott Hamburger as the at-large representative on the economic development authority. He was actually, he was. That nomination was made. Okay, well then I would draw that nomination. The other thing I want to mention, it's kind of a personal note. My son, Braden Josiah Kirschner, he's eight years old. He won the big tournament of the year, the Mason Diction Wrestling Tournament, a whopping 53 pounds. He cut a little bit of weight to make that, just a pound or two, and he pinned every single person that he wrestled all the way up to the championship bracket. What's really cool about it is, as a young wrestler, his, I also had one of the Mason Dixon five different times. And his grandpa, who he was never able to meet because he passed away, who was an NCAA All-American wrestler, he did it on his birthday. So it was a pretty awesome day. Needless to say, Daddy cried just a little bit. I will have further comments about some of the data center issues when we get to to that, I will have some opening comments, I think in the motion, but I really appreciate everybody that came out. And whether you agree or don't agree with the positions that we take up here, I do think that this is not an easy issue, it's a very difficult issue. And we've all struggled through it. I do believe that we've probably gone far too far on this, but obviously this is a corporate body and the majority will rule on this, but I will have some further to say about what the ultimate impact I think on Latin County will be when we get to the motion. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to nominate, I forgot to nominate someone. I'd like to nominate Vina Agaram to the Family Services Board to fill the out large representative seat. On March 5th, 10th and 12th, my staff and I spoke with Ben Wales from Curata to discuss the Magnolary Rose application. On Thursday, March 6th, Tuesday, March 11th, my staff and I spoke with the manual Williams from Cooley to discuss the digital dollars application. On Wednesday, March 12th, my staff and I spoke with Todd House from Cyrus One to discuss the Cyrus One Brodland's data center application. On Thursday, March 13th, my staff and I met with Chuck Cune Charles-Jud and John Cox from JKMU and Steve Cune from JK Landholdings to discuss the Samuel Mills assemblage and Clint Mar applications. Thursday March 13th my staff and I met with Colin Gillis and Molly Novotny from Karate to discuss the applications for global plaza north, global plaza south, Trans dollars and Cochrane tech. On Friday, March 14th and Tuesday, March 18th, I spoke with Aaron Swissound from Wash, Kallushi to discuss the zebra east application since everybody's talking about their children. and I'll announce that my black dog, Maggie, received a new toy on Wednesday and she's very happy with it. So I have, thank you. Okay. On 221, with the applicants on Zebra East on 226 applicants on Magnolia Rose in 37 applicants on the Blue Mount Monopole on 314. 3, 4, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, Sun 226, applicants on Magnolia Rose, and 37, applicants on the Blue Mount Monopole, and on 314 I spoke for Charles, Yad, and Chakkun, on the Data Center CPAM discussions. I want to first say that the astronauts are back on the ground after nine months in space, the astronauts are back on the ground, kind of puts things in lots of perspective, doesn't it? I mean, that's just absolutely phenomenal. I also wanna say that yes, they was Miss Briksman's birthday. Happy birthday, Miss Briksman. Happy birthday. Sunday was her birthday. She is 39, she is 39, yes. All of us are 39, except for Quran and Matt. They're actually their age. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha will talk about the issues when we get to the to the items, when we get to the issues, There's two things I want to say first. There are times that on a regular basis, this board says to our state delegates and state senators. If you have any questions about what's happening at the county level, please give us a call. And we mean that because we have very different jobs. Would it be a state legislator? And would it be a supervisor or a school board member? It's very different jobs. The, what it is to be a state legislator, and what it is to be a supervisor, our school board member, is very different. Today, our state senator, Ms. Perry, put up a post that said that we have not had transparency around the CPAM data center item. There can be nothing further from the truth. We have had years of discussions, multiple, multiple, multiple public hearings and chance of people to speak. Not to mention every time somebody walks into this room, if they want to speak on anything, they're working to speak on anything that they'd like to speak on. And that doesn't even count all the emails and phone calls we get in other ways. As we talk about things that are grandfathered, I'm not starting to know grandfathered, that are by right, by right applications have always been administrative. They've never been something that's come to the board. And so if that wants to be, if somebody wants to change that, we can. But that has been across the Commonwealth, how those applications have been processed. And I don't remember Miss Perry putting any legislation forward to change how that is processed. And so to make any statements that we're not literally the board that has the most chances for public comment and public hearing, we literally are. We have public hearing, I mean public comments at every single business meeting. And so I personally take offense to that. I am chair of this board and I take transparency and public comments very, very seriously. And if somebody wants to have a discussion about how by right administrative applications are done, we can have that discussion. But to say it's, we're not transparent, it's just wrong on its face. And I wanted to say that publicly. Finally, I want to say something completely different. There's a man named William Ferguson Reid. He was born in 1925. He was the first African American elected to the General Assembly in the 20th century. And he just celebrated his 100th birthday. He's a medical doctor. His community leader, especially in Richmond. He was one of the co-founders of Crusade for Voters, which was organized in 1955. And it was one of the more formidable political organizations in the state. It lobbied for voter registration, especially for African-Americans. He conducted Get Out the Vote drives. He did, he drove people to the polls. And he did so much that he was actually able to win a seat in the House of delegates in 1967. He did, he won on his second try. He served three terms in the General Assembly. After he served in the General Assembly, he was a regional medical officer for the United States Department of States. When he was elected to the General Assembly, there were, he was in 1963, he was the only African American member of the General Assembly. Today there are 31 African American members of the General Assembly. There were two people of color who had been elected a chair at large in Virginia. There have been two African-American, Lieutenant Governors. None of us get to these places by ourselves. None of us. We get to these places because of the shoulders we stand on of other people. I stand on the shoulders of Dr. William Ferguson Reid. I want to say to him happy birthday. I spoke to him today. He was, he is an incredible, clear-minded, strong man. I want to say to him publicly happy birthday and say to him publicly, thank you. Okay, supervisors, let's get to it. All right. Hey, staff, how's it going? All right. All right, hey, staff, how's it going? All right, so supervisors, I'm going to have staff. I know we've seen the presentations. I realize that. But there's so much going on and there's so much, some misinformation, and there's just so much. I'm going to actually have staff, and we don't normally have them do the whole presentations, doing the business meetings, but we are going to do that today. And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to put on the table a motion to start the conversation. It doesn't mean in the end I'm going to support the motion by putting the table, but we need to start the conversation somewhere. So I'm going to place a motion on the table to start the conversation and then we will go from there and try to get this get through this the best we can. So good evening. Thank you for being here. Mr. Glando thank you for all you and your staff have done. It has been a lot and we're not even halfway through it yet. So we recognize that so thank you very much and. And we are ready when you are. All right. Good evening, Madam Chair and supervisors. My name is Abdul-Jafri, project manager for this project. I'm joined here with our department director, Dan Gullindo and Carlos Tehran from the County Attorney's Office. And Ryan Grease, the deputy zoningrator. I'm here this evening to present item number seven, data center standards and location, CPM and ZOM phase one. Tonight we will discuss the board's motion from March 4th board business meetings along with staffs analysis in response to each motion, and we'll conclude with the recommendations. So the purpose of tonight we're here to seek board's action on two items. The proposed amendments to the Loudoun County 2019 general plan and Loudoun County zoning ordinance and the grandfathering resolution. the board business business meeting on March 4, the board passed three motions related to grandfathering resolutions along with an additional motion recommending further amendments to the zoning ordinance. The next four slides will provide an overview of each motion and staff's analysis. In motion number one, the board directed the staff to return to March 18 board business meeting with a grandfathering resolution. This resolution would allow administrative applications to be grandfathered if they meet the following conditions. The applicant was officially accepted for review on or before February 12, 2025. The data center used as a located more than 500 feet from a residential structure and the applicant is diligently pursued to approve without major modification. To assess the impact of this motion, staff created a 500 foot buffer around properties with active administrative applications. The distance was measured from the proposed structure and external mechanical equipment of the data center to the nearest existing residential structure. For applications without prior legislative approval, so that is your middle column. Three applications are within 500 feet of residential structure and would not be ground-fothered. 19 applications are outside the 500 foot buffer and would qualify for ground-fothering. And now if I can draw your attention to the last column, applications with prior legislative approval, four applications are within 500 feet of residential structure, and would not be grandfathered. Five applications are outside the 500 foot buffer and qualify for grandfathering resolution. The board directed staff to return to the March 18 board business meeting with a grandfathering resolution. This resolution would allow legislative applications to be grandfathered if the legislative application is officially accepted on or before February 12, 2025 and the legislative application is diligently pursued approval without substantial modification. The staff analysis includes that recommended ground-father the date for February 12, 2025 aligns with the planning commission's recommendation which proposed using the board's public hearing date as the effective date. This date is also consistent with the board's directions given at the February 12, 2025 public hearing. In process legislative applications for data center use would be eligible for grandfathering under the terms of the grandfathering resolutions if approved by the board. Motion number three, the board directed staff to update the ground fodder in resolutions specifically revising paragraph 6 to clarify that a substantial modification includes changing or adding proposed uses or changing or increasing the land area subject to such applications. The ground fodder resolution has been updated to reflect these changes. the revised language now in paragraph seven and eight defines a substantial modification as any changes or addition to proposed use or any increase in the land area subject to the application. The board directed staff to revise the attachment to you to specify that legislative applications approved after December 13, 2023 are deemed to include an approved special exception for a data center use. To implement this direction, table 3.0205-1 has been updated with an additional footnote as shown on this slide. This footnote clarifies that some legislative applications approved on or before March 18, 2025, are deemed to have an approved special exception for data center use. This footnote ensures that development with a detailed data center use approved by the board as part of the zoning map amendment, zoning concept plan amendment, or zoning conversion in around 28 tax district will not require a separate special exception for site plan approval. This approach eliminates the need for developers to seek a vested right determination, thus a streamlining the approval process. It is important to note, to distinguish this footnote from the grandfathering resolution. This footnote applies to approved application, whereas the grandfathering resolution applies to applications under review. Finally, staff recommends that the board approve the proposed amendments as presented in attachment 1, 2, and 3 and the ground further in resolutions in attachment 4. This concludes our presentation. Staff is here to answer any questions. Thank you. Okay, supervisors, for weeks now I've been screaming. I'm going to go straight through a motion and I could have me this question before the motion. But I think it's almost impossible to do that on this one because there's so much going on on this. So I'm going to do one round of questions and then go through the go to a motion. So if you have questions for staff right now on this item, please put your light on. Ms. Bricksman. Thank you Madam Chair. Could you please go back to the slide that had the chart with the numbers of their, yes, okay, okay. So these applications right here, suppose they could move the buildings around on their site plan to accommodate the 500 feet. Do they have to go through aspects to do that? Would they have to come back through aspects to do that? Or is there in a administrative way they could do that? So with the way that the resolution is written right now, they would have to come back and get a special exception. Okay, okay. The ones that aren't grandfathered. Correct. Okay. And then these as well. Yes. Would have to, even if they had room, they'd have to come back first backs. Yes. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Mr. Luterno. How do we define residential structures? The way we looked at residential structures is a property a residential building on it using the available information Okay, that's assessment House basically at home. No house. Yes, does the home have to be occupied? Yes, yes, however to our analysis Did not knock on the doors Well, yeah, and I don't know that the home should have to be occupied because it could be for sale. It could be vacant, but it could still be a home that's an active home. How do we determine when a home is no longer a home? So we actually ran into two that are down either on or near the, no property near the airport that still show up in our records as residential, but there's nobody living in them that's just been sitting there and those records haven't changed for years. So in those cases we did not include that, but for the most part, the ones we're looking at are near standard subdivisions. There's not really any question about it. We don't really need to clarify the work occupied in this, and that's how you're already interpreting it. It could be helpful, especially if there's something that's in the process. What I don't want to run into though is if we did do that, and a home happens to be for sale or vacant or someone's moved out but it's still home, it's not occupied at that moment, right? Yes. I discussed this with Mr. Rogers earlier. So I think the way we have it worded, we would look at it as if it's something that has been issued and not kept supermitted or otherwise had someone living in it to avoid that kind of a change then. Occupancy permits, not necessarily occupied. Possible? Okay. I would just mention one thing. I'm going to go ahead and click on this. Because the building code was adopted in 1974, there's a lot of residential structures who do not have a certificate of occupancy because they predated the building code. That's why occupancy permit was not mentioned in the grand father resolution. That's something that was considered. Okay. And then we're having the discussion about the place type, the urban employment place type. I think the concern is, which I think is valid, that we are, we end up putting in a designation that permits residential into an area that's in the 65 LDM that doesn't allow residential. So what is the staff's opinion on trying to fix that and change that? I know you've looked at it. So the original impetus for that back in 2018, 2019 was specific. That play site was created by the different boards that we were going through at the time to allow data centers there. Period because we knew there were a lot of interest in it. Staff did not support that at the time and we're trying to figure out ways to allow that to be a more mixed use environment, even if you couldn't have residential under those contours. At this point because of how much has been built there, it doesn't trouble us if we do keep it or if we make the change. I think there's pros and cons both ways. Given the number of approvals and active applications in that area, leaving it has definitely has some merit, but I will say the other. We did discuss this way back when we were going through T-Luck about this at the time, and whether it made sense to do it or not, and the consensus then was to go ahead and pursue this path. Mr. Luternow, a little bit of point of, I guess, information. What was the name of the ordinance that you brought to us about the houses when they followed the fallen and disrepair? Blight, blight, okay, yeah, okay, I'll have that question, thank you. Mr. Sains. Thank you, Madam Chair, and evening, staff. And thank you again for all your work on this exciting topic. All right. So we got a request in regards to urban employment. Erber is being requested to make a dentist's data center a conditional use in the urban employment rather than eliminating the place type and replacing with residential heavy designation. Are you familiar with this one? Yes, we are. So highlight for me, I don't know if you can on the map there on the display, is it only for the area where the metro station is called Loudon Gateway, or is it for Loudon Gateway, and for what would used to be Loud and Station when we then changed the station name to Ashburn Station. The place type is mapped north of Loud and Gateway and east of Loud and County Parkway. So would that include Loud and the Ashburn Station location? No, no, just so that far. So just primarily the Lavenvengateway area. Yes. Okay and that just make sure that's over by. Prentice Lockridge. Over by the one lifetime fitness, the post office facility. That's correct. I believe we have QTS data center and there's a whole bunch of other data centers being built under construction right now is that that area there you? Yes. Okay. And so in staff's interpretation do you feel the suggestion is valid or? I think the suggestion is valid. It's a matter of preference in the board deciding if they want to set a path for the long term future. Nothing is going to change there in the next five years, 10 years. If the board wants to make that policy change now to show where we want this, what this area to look like, 20, 30 years from now, we can do that, but understandably give it everything that's actively going on there. If they also want to reflect the facts on the ground, that definitely makes sense too. Okay. But it wouldn't change or stop anybody, say, 10, 15, 20 yearsyear-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-year-old, a mixture of nice designs, because I know before some data center companies I've said, oh, we can do data center on the bottom floor, the very, very bottom floor retail or office and then housing on the top. That prevent anything like that. It would not prevent it. The place type, again looking at the fact that the contours were over it, isn't oriented in the same way towards mixed use that the urban transit center place type is, but no, it would not prevent somebody from proposing that in the future. Coming in front of us. Yep, all right, thank you. Mr. Kirschner. Thank you, ma'am Chair and thank you, staff for being here. I've got a, can you go back to the chart where we were showing the number of data centers that would not be grandfathered on the current proposal? So can you tell me how many of these are within 400 feet? Or what the distance are, what the range are on these? I mean, it's one of the 490 feet. I mean, we kind of get this. If you could while you're looking that up, let me ask another question while you're looking that up if you happen to know it. How did we come up with the 500 feet? Was that something the board just came up with? Or is that something staff developed? or where did the 500 feet kind of number was it random? So we did not measure specifically the distance between all the buildings and capture that to where we can repeat it back to tonight. We could figure that out using JS but we did not do that. We just did the 500 feet and saw what was affected. The 500 feet initially was from a board motion. However, staff has looked into the reasons why that is a good distance to use. We put that into the item. Okay. You want to elaborate on why that's a good distance to use? I mean, if you don't want to, you don't have to, I'm just curious. I mean, I know this has been kicked around a little bit, but it has occurred to me that we're choosing a 500 feet, why not three? I mean, when I look at it, 300 feet of football field, 400 feet of football field in the court, that's pretty long distance. 500 feet even further. So I think the, what we wanted to do to justify that 500 feet is that I think we found also state legislative legislation that are currently approved that consider high energy uses to be within 500 feet. So there's linkages with some of the legislation at the state level. but other than that, this is just from a noise perspective, from a livability perspective. This distance is appropriate from a good zoning and planning practice to have noise generating use, have the appropriate separation distance from residential areas. Let me switch questions. This is probably for Dan since he sent the email. Dan, one of the questions that you just, I think, reached out to us a little bit ago at 8.10 p.m. Thank you for doing that. Is the question about, there's, I think, an application or a few, maybe one, at least one that I know of, that's come in with the ZRTD. They've been approved and accepted. And there was a question, and I have a motion on here. And I think it'd be helpful for my fellow superiors. That would, my way I understand your email is under the current grandfathering provisions that we have on the dius, that would be not could be considered grandfathered, correct. And my understanding is, of course, it specifically cites data centers as a use. So my question is, if it doesn't cite data centers as a use, it would then be essentially have to come back for a special exception correct. And isn't it true that staff is telling these applicants don't put in specific uses? So I feel like perhaps you can address that. So if an application does not reference data center at all in its application, we have not captured that in our analysis. The applications that we have been looking at when we purified these numbers to you into the commission has been applications that either obviously show a data center or it's referenced in their statement of justification or there's some linkage to them having an intent to put a data center on that site. If an application does not provide that we have not considered that in our analysis nor do we think that that kind of application would be very likely to be granted the kind of vested rights that would allow them to move forward with data center without having to pursue a special exception. So some of the language that's been proposed in alternative motions would adjust that slightly to make it a little bit easier for an application that's in that maybe is not showing that level of specificity to go ahead and provide that at their selection if they choose to. To address that concern so they could be considered grandfathered as part of their active application process. And there was a second part of the question. The last question was can I repeat it since he's forgotten it? I did ask the question. Yes. What are the applicants or at least one particular told me they were told by staff not to put in data centers as a specific use when they came in for their conversion? So I heard that today too for the first time. I can tell you that three, four years ago that was probably absolutely true. That's in more recent past. We have been more open to applicants providing more detail partly at the boards for quest and considering the RTDs to see what actual uses might be intended. Again, we have not required that but it is something that we've been more likely to encourage. I couldn't speak if someone heard that a month ago. I can't just prove it and I can't really speak to that if that did happen on a one off. But generally, I would say our guidance and staff has been for them to be open to that kind of consideration because the board has encouraged us to have them provide as much detail as possible. All right, well that's not the one. Thank you Mr. Kirschner. Mr. Kroni. My won't be as long. Thank you, staff. So I want to go to footnote number four. So footnote number four. So footnote number four is illegal mechanism that allows approved data centers to not have to go through a special exception. So that's footnote four. I'm just questioning. It says here in footnote 4, ZMAPs, CCPAs, ERTDs are deemed to include a spec approval for that data center use. So that's footnote number 4. So if that's the case, if they're deemed to have a special exception approval, then and they make those minor changes that are in section 10.11.0H.01.H of the zoning ordinance. So the section you just referenced is actually in footnote 3 not 4. So is it 3 that you're asking about? No, well 4 it says at the end it's deemed to include a spec approval for that data center use So if it's deemed to include that then it would because the zoning ordinance already allows that Stopper time, please So Dan asked me to take this question. There wouldn't actually be a expect with standards or any sort of conditions or anything else in it. and they can't go back and amend the ZMAP, ZR's TD, ZCPA without doing a ZCPA itself. So there wouldn't really be a way to do any of those modifications because there's no spec plot or nothing that is a spec. It's just, it's sort of a legal fiction. That's why it's saying it's deemed to include rather than saying that it is a spec approval. Okay, so it wouldn't apply anyways, what's your saying? No, it wouldn't apply to be able to do minor changes under that. If they do eventually get their site plan approved, then they could use footnote three, but that's a different matter. Yeah, and I'm okay, and I have a motion for that one. Okay, thank you. Excuse me, if I could elaborate on that, the board has seen these applications, and so what we're trying to do is make sure that they don't have to go through the process again. Mr. Vice Chair Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. Can I get a clarification? It's on what now infamous section 10.11.01H. It allows the zoning administrator to approve realignment of principal buildings in parking areas, provided that the building and parking remain within an approved building envelope. If you've got a legislative application, then that building envelope is pretty clearly approved. But if you have administrative application, you may not have a precise building envelope. So my question then is, if it's an administrative application, can the buildings be aligned, aligned minor change? And if how would you define improved building envelope for administrative application? So actually in both cases you could have a building envelope, although for an administrative application the building envelope is likely just to be the site you're expecting to build. Because what Carlos was just referencing, because there's not actually a special exception application that's been approved, there's that tangible spec splatter or what have you's not there. Staff has determined that we would be interpreting that as any land within the required setbacks. So as long as it's not in conflict with some other portion of the ordinance that prevents building there, they have flexibility within that. That would be a minor change. Yes, okay. Thank you. Back to Mr. the Turno's question, because I is a great question I really hadn't thought about it when I think residents, I think it's a home with somebody there. But he makes a good point. Is it possible that we could, the reason I ask him about the blight, is it possible that we could say what is a residence and if it's not something that the blight, it's not now being reported as blight than it's a residence because you know, people, you know, your home is your home and it might, you know, you could have a home if somebody is saying in military and they can be gone for a year or so or whatever and their home might be sitting empty or they can be renting it out for some amount of months. It's not unusual for a house to be sitting. My mother's house just said empty for a year while we moved her from one place to another. Literally we went in and we mocked all our house and it was still our house but it's said empty for a year. Is it possible to say like if it's a blighted property or something like that? So we have some ideal of what a residence means? I think that's possible. I would say that if for one the applicant would be showing their distance as part of their application, they'd be proving to us whether they're in or out of this area we're talking about. And from those I've seen. I don't think the question was the distance. I think the question was, what do we do mean as a residence? Right, so you can correct me if since you've been more to relate more than this. Is that what you're trying to ask the question? I don't believe that there are many applications in the, what seven that are on that table that have dozens and dozens of homes around them. It's a small number of homes that anyone might be within 500 feet of. So it'd be simple enough to go and actually do a site visit on those sites to see if it's something and use or not to confirm it. Type of staff just go and confirm it and those are the ones that. All question. Now I'm a bit confused as well. Are you saying that if a data center is, first of all, I think any distance we choose can be said to be arbitrary. We have to choose a distance. 500 feet makes sense, 750 makes sense. I mean, maybe 4.92 doesn't make that much sense to me, but any distance we choose is a distance. 500 feet makes sense, 750 makes sense. I mean like you know maybe 492 doesn't make that much sense to me but any distance we choose is a distance we choose and that's a decision of the board. What you're saying if a data center sitting at 300, 400 and 80 feet and they change the how it how it's sitting and and and and changing that moves it back to 500 feet. They'd have to come back for respects at that point? No, they would not. They would not. Okay, all right, I think so. Supervisors, I'm going to make this first motion, but I will tell you, Supervisors to Crony, Bricksmann and Glass, I am going to deem the motion you all have. I would deem that motion in direct conflict of the motion in the package. And so that motion would only move and less the motion in the package doesn't pass. Because that's a direct, that's a, that, that motion is in literally direct conflict in my opinion. They are it it is. It just, I don't know how anyone gets to any different, it is. It's in the rec complex. Point of clarification, then those of us who are okay with grandfathering legislative applications but not okay with grandfathering administrative applications have to vote against grandfathering all together? Well, we can do that or you can make a motion. The smallest thing to mind is you will make the motion first. Okay. That might be something, but these two motions are in conflict. Perhaps I can do that. Yeah, I know that. Maybe that's what I'll do. I'll split the main motion because otherwise, they are in conflict. So I'll move the first part of the motion first. I'm going to move. I move, and again, I'm moving these motions because I'm the chair of the county and we've got to somewhere Not because I may or may not support the motion so you know because I just all this news of compensation I'm going to do the second part first because I think it might be just easier to get through this one I move the board supervisors adopt the grandfather resolution for so I'm 2024 that 001 as we're buying in a task 4 to the March 18 2025 or so by this business meeting action item. Motion's made in seconded. Okay. So the grandfather, grandfathering resolution is a resolution that says it's 500 feet. And by agree with that? Yeah. Yeah. Anybody disagree with that? What? No, it was a rhetorical question. Oh. So if I'm sitting, if you, if for everyone sitting in this room right now, if you imagine that you can walk that way and walk through walls, at 500 feet, you hit fireworks pizza. That's how far, that's exactly 500 feet from this day is fireworks pizza. If I am a homeowner, that is a very close, that's very close for a data center to me. And I think the thing that's being lost in this whole discussion is if we're doing a specs, we're not saying no, we're saying they have to come back to talk to us. Because some data centers may say, you know, we're gonna do this landscaping and this Birmingham and all those types of things and you may not even notice as a data center over there. Others may not do anything at all and there's a data center sitting where that fireworks pizza sits. That would be awful close if it was nothing done as far as burming and things like that. So that makes sense to me to have at least 500 feet. Quite frankly, I was really close to making an emotion to go further than 500 feet to be honest because if it's my house, fireworks pizza is close. Now, if it is, let me choose, let me choose visa, data center. Beautiful data center looks like an office building. I would have that there with no trouble at all, that be fine with me. But there's also a data center that sits at Route 7 and Belmont, that is a monstrosity of a data center. That 500 people in my house, I would be very upset by that. The everything is this, and I think that this has to be said. I've said many times, data sends are a double that sort. And all the things they do for our economy have been said and are very, very, very, very appreciated. However, homeowners have also spent money on their homes. Homeowners are living in their retirement. We can't simply say data centers bring lots and lots of revenue and so that's what we're going to do. It doesn't mean we don't appreciate our data center community. We do. It doesn't mean we we don't know what they do for our tax rate. We do. It doesn't mean we don't appreciate our data center community. We do. It doesn't mean we don't know what they do for our tax rate. We do. It doesn't mean we don't understand how we're good community partners. They some of them are. We do. But at the same time, there has to be some type of restrictions on what we were allowed. And the fact that we're talking about data centers, this close to houses, we're already in a place where we, some situation we shouldn't be having in my opinion. Anybody else on this item? I have a amendment manager. You have an amendment, friendly? Yeah, I'd propose it as a friendly. Okay. I say, oh, I'm sorry, what am I doing? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She's calling right you the vice chair. I go I don't go to the vice chair first. My bad. Okay. That's right here. Okay. I'm just a little confused about the process tonight because if this just passes right now then we don't have an opportunity to make amendments to the grandfathering clause. So are you saying Madam Chair that you want us to make our amendments during our comment, propose amendments during our comments on this motion right now? Because we have a couple amendments. Well, that one that would be in the opposite amendment now, that I I would be opposite. You can make it, I won't accept it. Right, but there's a couple other amendments that people- And they should make those. During their comments. Yes, make them now. Point of parliamentary inquiry. Okay. One of the amendments is to not approve the grandfather and cause. So if this passes, that amendment becomes moot. So shouldn't she make the motion to not approve the grandfather in clause first? Just give me a sec. You stop Ms. Bricksman's time and put it back where it was. I understand what you're saying, and I appreciate it. But Ms. Bricksman is still in her time and you end- Point of Parliamentarying takes priority. But only when it's recognized and it wasn't. Ms. Bricksman, continue, please. Okay, so I have a proposed amendment pertaining to the 500 foot clause. I think I also, three of us would like to be able to exclude or at least vote against grandfathering of the administrative applications. So and we can't split the motion because of the way it was written. So I have a motion here to delete all provisions from the grandfathering resolution pertaining to grandfathering of administrative applications, which you won't accept. But maybe I make an alternative motion right now. And then if it doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. of the chair. And then I did have the 500 foot amendment I was working with. I basically want to save those four applications that are legislatively approved and allow them not to have to go back through specs. That would be my other amendment. I think it is, but I'm still going for a louding amendment right now. Which one? The one. You only want to make it your time. You want to make an amendment right now. Okay, my first amendment would be to delete all provisions from the grandfathering resolution pertaining to the grandfathering'm going to say that I'm not going to Okay, that needs a discussion. So that's an alternative motion. That's an alternative motion. Okay, all right. Then I didn't say I moved. Yes, I thought it was okay. Then that's an alternative motion. Okay, that's my alternative motion. So hold on that motion and no, no. It's been made in seconded. Do you want to do an opening on that motion? I do. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Sorry, everybody. So the point to this motion is that there are 22 applications in the administrative process, quote unquote, buy-right applications. And I am uncomfortable with basically allowing those buy-right applications to be grandfathered in because it's basically in my mind and some of my colleagues' minds. It's basically approving 22 new data centers to the tune of I think it's about 61 million square feet of data centers. When we are on when right now it's more than doubling our data center square footage in the county. I know the Department of Economic Development doesn't think that they will develop all 61 million square feet but that's what they would be approved for and so I think that the board should be reviewing those 22 applications and they should not be able to continue through the by-right administrative. I think the community has said to us, we want you to have review of these applications. We want you to be voting no on more data centers. And we want our county to go in a different trajectory. And this is our opportunity to go in that different trajectory by reviewing 22 data center applications Instead of letting them sail through and be grandfathered through Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you And this is just for the administrative not the legislative. This is mr. Administrative mr. Croni Yeah, thank you chair Randall and I want to I agree agree with Supervisor Brisbane. I do support the grandfathering resolution for legislative, but not for administrative. I don't support grandfathering administrative or by right applications because they have not been reviewed by the board to minimize impact and they do not include public input. And I believe there's actually 24. So I think there's 24 administrative applications. Residents have been asking for transparency and higher performance standards. And I believe we need to be accountable to residents to protect their quality of life, requiring a special exception for administrative or by right applications. Gives us an opportunity to really protect our residents. Applications will then be carefully reviewed to ensure they fit within the desired character of the area and do not negatively impacts surrounding properties. and spec app applications are reviewed for impacts to public services, utilities and infrastructure and mitigation of impacts. This is what residents are asking for who are impacted by transmission lines and substations. And I believe balance is providing grandfathering to legislative applications that have been accepted for review. But I do want to make the note that the board does not have to grandfather. Most zoning ordinance do not, most zoning amendments do not have grandfathering. The 2023 zoning ordinance grandfathering resolution was very generous. a lot of the data centers were grandfathered to that zoning ordinance and would not be impacted by this CPM and ZOM. So I do appreciate the data center industry. I want to take care of our existing data centers. I know they provide a lot of revenue and I really appreciate appreciate it. But I think even Buddy Riser is saying that we've kind of met our goals, and he wants to focus on limiting the location of future data centers and achieving better balance of commercial uses. Thank you. Thank you, and I think we should be really careful, but about user Mr. Riser's name one way or the other of these conversations. So I think Mr. is a turn-off. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm not supportive of the motion. I think there's a fundamental fairness that goes into what we have to do. And one of those kind of bright lines is not changing the rules in the middle of the process. So for any applicant, and I don't care what time of data centers or housing or any other type of application, that is following the process that we have established under a zoning ordinance that we have established that we did see fit to have a grandfather resolution into because of fairness issues. It's very difficult for me to say, sorry, like you may have been into this for over a year or two years, you may be going through this process, but you have to start over. You have to start over with different rules, completely different rules. I understand the discussions, I'm going to be careful how I word this, but I really believe it leaves the overall, not having a grandfather ordinance clause leaves the overall ordinance much more vulnerable, at least to delay of implementation, which quite frankly could be all it takes to have it be ineffectual. That's all I'm going to say on that. But I think we would be wise to adopt a reasonable grandfathering clause. We could argue about exactly what the date it should go in effect is. We do have a carve out and it's kind of interesting when we listen to the speakers because we had a whole lot of people who frankly weren't happy with us regardless. We had people coming in and saying we shouldn't have this 500 foot rule for residential. We should have no rule and then we had a lot of people saying don't do grandfathering at all. Sometimes when no one's happy maybe you've actually gotten it right. I don't know. But what we are trying to do here is strike a compromise. And the carve out here on the grandfathering is to get at the exact issue that the residents have been the most concerned about. And that the board hasn't wanted, which is data center residential too close together. I understand 500 feet is more than the zoning ordinance and that's been the complaint and that's kind of unfair. It's seen by industry at the same time. This is a unique situation and there's not a lot of these involved in this that's caught up here. So I think that 500 is sending the message to residents that we are really trying to look out for that issue, but it's also saying to industry look, you know, we're not going to make everybody start over because we've now put new rules in place. So for that reason, I'm not going to support the amendment. I will support the base resolution on this and I like to thank Mr. Turner in particular who did a lot of work to get to this and some of my other colleagues. Thank you. Senator, absolutely did. Mr. Kirstner. Thank you, Madam Chair. Quite frankly, I'm shocked we even are discussing this motion. It is quite frankly a complete property rights attempt to complete property rights snatch. What we are basically saying is we're gonna come in at the end of the process after you as a developer have come in to the industry, you've done everything we've asked you to do. You've met with staff and you've spent somewhere between in some cases over a million dollars goes through the whole process to get approval. Because remember all the engineering has to take place. You sunk all this money and now we're going to say, sorry, we're not getting any grandfather. You want to talk about a massive chilling effect that that would have on every single industry. The fact that Loudoun County went and did this, they wouldn't want to come to Loudoun County anymore. Now, I understand a lot of my colleagues are kind of trying to split the baby here. I appreciate the thoughtful process, but this motion is the most egregious of all the motions that we're going to look at here tonight. Can you imagine as a homeowner, you buy a piece of land, you have the right to build a home. It's your dream home And you go through the process you spend all the money at the county you hire engineers You get the well get get the permits to drill the well and you sunk all this dollars and all of a sudden the county the government Comes along and says sorry you can't build your house That's exactly what this motion is asking to do to this particular industry and mind you the industry that is allowed us to cut the tax rate this year to 309 on the personal property of car tax. That's exactly what this motion does. It's egregious, quite frankly, it's anti-American to do what we're doing quite frankly here. Because we are built on property rights and yeah, I'll say it. It largely is. Now, I understand what the board is trying to do in terms of the 500 feet and the grandfathering. And I think we've done a lot of good work. I don't agree with all of it. I'll probably, I'm still looking at the base motion here. I want to hear some of the discussion. But this motion, saying sorry, you spend all this money, go away. That is just egregious and I cannot support this. Mr. Saints. Thank you, Madam Chair. I wasn't going to speak on the motion, but after those very spirited conversations from Mr. Kushner, I'll just say, I think I've said this before, Lex all take a breath, mix literally. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Relax. I think some of the Mr. Kutcher, some of you know, I understand where you're coming from, but some of your language was a little, well, I'll just say way off base. Over top off base, inappropriate, whatever, you know, yeah, it looks just, let's just take a breath, um let's be respectful everybody has a difference of opinions that's why we're elected we have all different types of land in our districts and and what not you heard a lot of different you know commentary from the residents this evening so let's just calm down and let's be respectful for everybody's opinions and the motions that we have. All right, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Saints, Mr. Turner. No? So I would say there's a lot of things happening in this country right now. This anti-American, this is not just one of them. I'll just say that and leave that right there. There are times I feel like that I am with respect to my colleagues, I'm sitting in the center of these discussions, which is what I feel like right now. I understand why some would say no administrative applications should be allowed. I get that, but I also don't think that's reasonable. I think it will end up in court. And I know some of my colleagues are itching to go to court. I'm not one of them. I'm not. And if we did have to go to court, I want to win. So I want to be real careful about putting this up to someone we don't have to be. Statement, let this. Of the, I believe it's 21 Mr. Croni, I could be wrong. I don't think it's 24, 22. Okay, of those, how many would you say of those right now if you've done these numbers are in areas that are appropriate industrial areas? Because if we did, if we do with this motion says it kicks all of them out even ones that are actually in appropriate areas. How many of them would you say are in completely appropriate areas? And I know that's a hard question to put you on the spot with. I'm gonna stop my time for just a second why they get me close to that answer. So just looking at the analysis we did for the 500 feet, there are 24 that are outside of that. And quite a number of those are well outside of that. Those that are surrounded by other industrial lands. So you're correct that if we absolutely dry grandfathering, they would all have to come back into, which seems like it's likely unnecessary. Seems like it's likely unnecessary to make data centers that are in appropriate places that we know we should put them in industrial areas where other data centers are, that know what their power use is going to be. That it seems not wise to make all of them come back in. And not because of the money. I mean, I know that these numbers are big and I know money matters, but people's houses money matter too. So it's nothing. Are you never here to talk about the money? It's just because it's not a logical thing to do. And so I'm gonna vote no on this amendment, on this motion, and then all that other motions be made and we'll get to where we get. But on this motion, I don't think it's a... I... amendment on this motion. And then all that other motions be made, and we'll get to where we get. But on this motion, I don't think it's a, I don't think it's with respect, logical motion. I also don't think it's an anti-American motion. I just don't think it's a very logical motion, is our motion, is how I would say that. So Mr. Bricksman, would you like a closing? Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, I just want to say a couple things about some of the commentary tonight. The, it's not fair to compare the data center industry to other more intense industry, which was happening tonight by our speakers. Data centers are not in scinerators, they're not landfills, they are not prisons. Okay, so, and also the idea that the nine of us up here are just seeking the dollar or maybe have personally benefited from data centers. I think it's also completely offensive and it is completely false. So let's just set those two things aside, okay? It's an industry in our county that has been very successful and we're very proud of and it's also an industry in our county that our residents are suffering from fatigue over. They are not happy about the power lines and this we're talking about a zoning ordinance here not a land use application so I will talk about the power and the power lines and the recent our ledge meeting dominion said we need 50 more substations in Loudoun County. 50 if we're going to continue to grow the way we grow. Asking these applications to go through specs is not a denial and while staff may be saying that they are in appropriate areas, guess what? There's nine of us up here who get to decide that. If they come back in a specs, there may be a difference of opinion up here as to whether they actually are in appropriate areas for data centers. And as Supervisor Tukroni said, they don't have vested interest until they have an approved site plan. They just don't. So we don't have to have a grandfather in clause. We just don't. And we are, in my opinion, I believe Leo's opinion, will win a lawsuit if they don't have an approved site approval. If they don't have that's the line. That's the vested interest line. So we are not required to grandfather by any stretch of the imagination. Our residents are begging us to slow it down. They're begging us and that's why I brought the motion. I don't think it's going to pass, but I had to make the effort because of what I've been hearing in the community and about what the community is feeling about the industry. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. The motion was made by Supervisor Brickson and seconded by Supervisor Decroene. I do believe all in people who say, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. That motion will fail 5-4. With supervisors to Crony, Brickman, Turner, and I'm sorry, Miss Glass, you voted, yes. How'd you vote? You voted aye. That's right, so it's a 5-4, thank you. Okay, we can go back to the base motion, but if there's others on the day, let's go, let's hear them now, if it's connected to this motion. Is there, are there? Yes. Well, that's why I'm asking, because I'm about to go back to the base motion. Missed. I have another one. You have another one that's connected to the base motion? The first one. Is it connected to the base motion? What are we doing, Mr. Crony? Mine is connected to motion 1. That's the base motion. Yes. It's a friendly. It's a friendly. Yes. Okay. It's a friendly. I'm ready. Okay. Okay. So mine is. I move that. Wait. If it's a friendly, you don't have to move it. Just tell me what it is. I'll see if I accept it or not. Okay. That the Board of Supervisors. I guess I'll go through the whole thing. Adopt CPM, 204-0-1. So I am 2440, 0-1. Data center standards and locations phase one is provided an attachment one, two, and three to the March 18, 2025. Board of Supervisor, business meaning action, I didn't accept with the deletion of footnote three and attachment three. Okay, so what you, what the friendly is that we delete footnote three and attachment three. I don't think anyone you want to say with footnote three and attachment three are? Okay. Yes. It is a second. Does she need a second? No, it's a front note. We don't need a second. She's accepted it. Yeah. Okay. So footnote three. Madam chair, you only move the grandfather resolution, right? Yes. So this footnote is not in the grandfather. Right. I said it was connected to the, to the, to the, and she said yes. Okay. This connected to the base. But she didn't make the base. But she didn't make that part, that part of the motion yet. Okay. Sorry. So you'll come back to that. You're coming back to that. I'm so ready for that. Ms. Vixman, you have something connected to the grand bothering. And that's something else. Madam Chair, I'd like to get advice from Council Rook. You're coming back to that miss Vixman you have something connected to the grand bothering and that something else Madam chair. I'd like to get advice from council real quick If that's okay. Cool. I'm a phone a friend I'm being told that the four applications I'm concerned about on that chart are not required to have the 500 foot but buffer or separation. I believe the four applications that are legislative, the grandfathering resolution does not require 500 foot from a legislative application. The 500 foot is only part of the grandfathering for administrative application. Because legislative applications come to us anyway. So the issue is that up there, all of the numbers up there are administrative applications. There are nine of them that are administrative applications in that have come after previous legislative approvals. The other 22 have not. So we've got two buckets partly because the board's been talking about those. So the four number, those four applications are attached to a prior legislative approval, but they are still within 500 feet, so they would not be grandfathered the way it's written right now. So I'm sorry, I don't know what you just said. Those administrative applications, we would need a motion to allow them to move around the data center buildings. Which you could also do for administrative, but that would have to be previously approved legislative motions that are now seeking administrative approval. I understand what you're doing. I understand what you're saying and I understand what you're doing. Will you accept that as a friendly? Okay. But do you want to actually say it so we've we know what's going on right now? I don't have. Okay. So I am offering a friendly amendment that allows previously legislatively approved applications that have come back into the administrative process for a change to be exempt from the if they only have a 500 foot issue to be exempt from the 500 foot distance rule. That's not what I understood. So that's not what that's not what I'll try to elaborate if I can. So it says When it says Administrative application with prior legislative approval. It means there was a rezoning it could have been done 2018 It could have been done in 1993 All right, I strike my own I strike it there only coming in to do their site plan now So the rezoning would have it could have been a rezoning just to IP, and they're only coming in now to do a site plan. So it could also be very specific and say we will do a data center right here, and it shows you everything about the data center. Okay, so that's not important. So what this is is the administrative application refers to the site plan. You can do that at any time after a rezoning has been approved. I want to clarify a vacation. I will do that just can give me one second. Can I have a computer guide down here? My laptop, I mean my iPets doing all kind of ridiculous. Madam Chair, I'm getting withdrawn my friendly. Yeah you did but plan clarification yes. You were correct. Plan clarification. Let me clarify. Okay all right plan clarification. I believe and I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to put words in Civilized Brisbane's mouth, but I'm trying to clarify it in my own mind. My understanding of what she's saying is for those four applications that are legislatively approved that are inside of 500 feet. What her motion I believe says is if they now choose to modify their site plan so so that they're outside of 500 feet, so they don't trigger the specs to come back to us. That's correct. We want them to be able to move those around to stay out of the 500 feet so they don't get a speck. That's why I think that's why I was going to accept the privilege. I put it back on the table. That's more or less correct. There's like a couple of steps in there, but I think everyone got the gist essentially. That would accept that as a friendly. Thank you very much Madam Chair. Would you accept that as a friendly? Yes, but what language do we need? Because that's what I was, I agree. Yeah. So what language do we need? So it would go towards the part of the grandfather and that addresses administrative applications. Okay. But only for those four. Preparations. Yes. I just say we probably need a motion that's accomplishing. That's all. That's all. Dear. Chair Randall. I think this is what you were given to. By. I'm done with I'm done. Okay. I got it now. Well, through Reservoirs, I guess. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's give the language to her. And I will accept that. Mr. Attorney will accept that. Is anyone have issues with that? Okay, I mean, would you like to read the language and so we can know what we're saying what we're saying? Woo, okay. Thank you, Mr. Turner, for helping with that. For an administrative application with prior legislative approval, add a new paragraph three to read as follows. If an administrative application meets the requirements in paragraph two, other than the 500 foot standard clause and such administrative application is revised to comply with the 500 foot standard in clause of paragraph two, including by a revision that requires changing a site plan amendment application into a site plan application, then such administrative application shall be treated as if it met all of the requirements of paragraph two and will be considered grandfathered a grandfathered administrative application period. Don't we the end? Yes. You guys got that? You're good? Yes. It's basically B. It is B. It is exactly B. And that was accepted as a friendly and we're going to move on. Are there, thank you, Ms. Brickman. Thank you, Mr. Turner for helping with that. Thanks, Ms. Brickman. Are there any other motions on the day to the base motion, which is just about the grandfathering right now? Yes, okay, Mr. Potentially. Potentially. Okay, Mr. Mr. So, Mr. So, Mr. Brisbane's motion just covered legislative application. I think there's still a question about whether an applicant with an administrative application should be able to modify their administrative applications to get outside the 500. Can I ask staff if that's the case, I don't sure. Yes, please. Well, she covered administrative applications with prior legislative approval. So not a legislative application, this would be an administrative application. Okay, so that has a prior legislative approval. Right, but what about just an administrative application? Without a prior legislative. Those are the three, those are the other three. So there's not be grandfather. Okay, so then I think we should at least discuss doing that. Let's get those out of the five hunk. So. I think that would be a motion. I think that has to be a separate motion. Which is fine. Which is, if you want to make the motion, be happy to second that motion. Yeah. All right. So I think it would say, at this point, are we modifying the new paragraph on paragraph three to read if an administrative application meets the requirements in paragraph two other than the 500 foot standard, and such administrative application as revised to comply with the 500 foot standard in class two, a paragraph two, including by revision that requires changing a site plan and amendment application into a site plan application, and such administrative application to be treated as if it met all the requirements of paragraph two, and will be considered grandfathered administrative application. And that has to be a separate motion that I will accept, that I will second rather. Okay. Any discussion on that motion, Mr. Chair? Yeah, I think, I mean, the goal is to get these out of, right, right. Away from being 500 feet. So if these three are able to move outside of 500 feet, and I honest the God have no idea what they are and whether they can be or not. So I'm not doing this to benefit any particular one of them. I know. But if they can't be, then I don't see any reason why they should have to go back through respects process, which would what they are and whether they can be or not. So I'm not doing this to benefit any particular one of them. I know. But if they can be, then I don't see any reason why they should have to go back through respects process, which would be a long journey for them when we could achieve. You know, I think you want to say the opposite. The goal is to let them do 500 feet. Yes. If they can do it, then I don't see, you know, why would we make them then? Yes, that's correct. Anybody else? Mr. Turner? I'm not sure. Okay. On this say, from a policy perspective, that's exactly what we're doing with the base motion, which is what the base motion is more than 500 feet on the grandfather. So to say that you go on the base motion says so. So to allow an applicant to change their application so that they meet that standard seems to be consistent with the policy that's trying to be set by this board. So it seems very just and very fair, quite frankly. The basics you're saying you agree? Yeah. Oh, okay. That was a lot of good. Okay, The motion was my most internal segment, second by me. You want to run closing? I'll pick the say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass eight to one. Was the advisor, Briksman, disagreeing? We should let people go to 500 feet if they want to. Okay. Okay. Yeah, but we passed that discussion at this point. Okay, so back to the base motion. Are there any other Mr. Turner, you have a amendment or an alternate motion on the base motion? Actually, I think it's a friendly. Okay, let's see. Let me propose it as a friendly. The friendly is to amend the grandfathering resolution in accordance with the red line detachment that you guys have at the bottom of your motion packet. And let me just briefly review those in my comments so that you understand them. Basically all of these changes simply tighten up the language. So if you go to page 10 and then in the handout that you have, paragraph seven, then we add the words that we're saying for a, it would be considered a substantial modification to a legislative application. If it would require, and it would require a new special exception in order to increase the floor area ratio. I've added the words that exceeds the maximum allowed in the district. Okay. For the second one, it would be substantive if they increase the height of the building and then the new words are that exceeds the maximum allowed in the district. And then the last red line is it decreases the setback and then the added words are to a point less than the minimum required by a district. So for this part what I'm saying is we're just being more precise. If somebody wants to go to a point four FAR and they're allowed a point four five FAR, we shouldn't trigger a specs because they're going up to what's allowed by right in that district. So that's all those words to. The next set for legislative application, we strike D and E, which says changes or ads proposed uses would trigger aspects or changes or increases the permitted uses on the application would trigger aspects. These are legislative applications, we're going to see them anyway. We don't need to trigger aspects to see them. We're going to see them anyway so the legislative, so those two things probably shouldn't apply. And those are the changes, so they are just minor word changes. Finally, I have absolutely no idea where this grandfathering resolution is going to pass. I haven't whipped the vote and I don't know whether it's going to pass or not. However, this language tightens up the language to make it a better grandfathering resolution if in fact it passes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Okay, so you're offering all those things as a friendly? Correct. I have no issue with any of those, Mr. Terno. Thanks, Sam. Okay. So since they're friendly, there's no discussion needed. They're friendly and in the less somebody opposed is I am wants to make a motion. We accept those as a friendly. Okay. Are there any other motions? Are alternate motions on the main motion, Mr. Kirschner? Thank you, Madam Chair. The main motion is still about the grandfather resolution. Yes. Okay. I think it is. So now I'm working off the substitute, which is Mr. Turner's, which was. Well, yeah. Which is confusing me from the very beginning plus all the amendments that are made. So I had originally introduced a motion to include some of the red lines that Mr. Turner made. And that is my draft motion. As you can see, there's ABC and D. C and D have been answered by supervisor Turner. It had been technical fixes and supervisor Turner's second motion. Okay, wait, you gave least to us? Yes, we handed. It's an attack, I have it, I have it, yes. So what I want to move is to make a correction based upon my questioning of staff previously on the ZRTD. Are you asking for a friendly right now? I can ask for a friendly. I can make a separate motion. Let's see what it is and then we'll see if it's a please allow. Essentially. And if I can speak to staff, Dan correct me if I'm wrong. My motion attempts to do is strike the language for data center use under, on the eighth where as, and also to delete for data center use within section one. And here's the reason why. What that will do is for those who have come in with the ZRTD and were either misinformed or misunderstood, whatever the case may be, thinking that they were doing a conversion, but they didn't specifically list a data center use. And remember, this is the 28th district. So, yeah, which would be, which would be, so I don't want them to have to come in for another special access and they're still going to have to go through a certain approval process. I think it will still ultimately come to the board am I correct on that, Dan? Yes. Okay, so still it will be somewhat like but it will not be as I guess a slow of a process. So we'll still have a level of oversight but it won't set them back a whole year to go back through the whole process. Is that a fair statement? Okay. So what this is is really a technical fits. If you did not put a data center use in your- oversight but it won't set them back a whole year to go back through the whole process. Is that a fair statement? Yes. Okay. So what this is is really a technical fix. If you did not put a data center use in your conversion, either because you didn't understand or because you're following test direction or whatever the case may be, this will still allow you to follow the normal process by striking those few words. Is that correct? It will allow them to amend it to fulfill that without having to add any special exception to anything of that nature. Okay. And so that would be my mistake. First of all, you guys should know that the ZRTDs, that whole tax in district will be gone by 2027. I understand. Six years, no, no. Well, that's it. It's paid off, right? It will be, by the way. I'm on that. So before I say yes to her, friendly, are you saying that if they didn't put a data center use in, it now just adds a data center use? I'm not sure, I don't know what- So my understanding from a couple of the applicants that I've spoke with, when they came in and they did the zoning conversion and they've been accepted by staff. For a data center? Well, it was just a zoning conversion from the, I think, yeah, 72 to 93. They just converted it thinking they had that right to put a data center in. But because they didn't specifically list data centers of use, now they won't be grandfathered on the way this, it's with the language literally reads because the language literally says, and I can find it. I think it's under the eighth whereas. That's a lot of your district. I would recommend Madam Chair this get made as a motion. I think so too because that's fine. I'll make it a separate motion. It's a lot of this district. So go on and make the motion. All right. I move the Board of Supervisors to adopt the Grandfathering Resolution for Zone 2020-401 as provided an attachment for to the March 18, 2025 Board of Supervisors. Business meeting, action item with the following revisions, delete quote for a data center used end quote from the eighth whereas clause and then secondly delete for a data center use within Section 1. May 2nd. What's the main thing? Mr. By the way. Point of water, Madam Chair. Yes. By the supervisor. I'm sorry. He's made to a second. What's the main thing, Mr. President? Point of order, Madam Chair. Yes. President, I'm sorry. He's making a motion to adopt the grandfathering resolution. He's amending it, but he's making a motion to adopt the grandfathering resolution. And we already have a base motion on the floor to adopt the grandfathering. And he said that's starting, so he did say that. I can strike that portion in the motion. Yeah, because you can say it. I just move to amend the present grandfathering motion. It's. And he said that's starting so he did say that. I can strike that portion of the motion. Yeah, because you can say it. I just moved to amend the present grandfathering motion. It's on the table as previously stated. Is that sufficient for staff? That's sufficient for staff. That's fine. Is it your second stoke for Sans? Okay, would you like an opening on that? I mean, basically I just think this is in abundance of fairness. And I'd like to hear what Mr. St. Hesis say, but quite frankly, if an applicant came in and a good faith, did his own in conversion thinking they had this right, and then we've now at the last hour put this language in that technically could exclude them from their ability to be grandfathered in and then forces them into a special exception process. I think that's a, that will link in the process for them. And even if, even if we do adopt this, they still come, have to come through for an approval process. We will still have oversight on this and we could still say no. Is it? Okay. Thank you. Mr. Sains. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right. So, can you for me with Mr. Turner's motion when he was doing, wasn't that already solving some of this? Issue or was some of that still left? It's addressing some of it, so the, as I understand it, at least the concern from industry is that by having that quoted for data center to use language in, is that if you have a ZRTD that is not mentioned at the data center at all in that application thus far, that application currently is not for data center use. So it gives them the ability to go and amend that application to clarify their true intent if a data center is their intent to provide that additional specificity. So in staff's opinion, your fine with Mr. Turner's motion motion. What he was doing and that takes care of most of it. And I believe that Mr. Turner's motion would take care of C&D from this motion for Mr. Kushner. So that only leave A and B to, I guess, tighten up, I guess. Is that B? That great. And he did not read C&D for that reason. So the previous. Okay. All right. We're all on the same page. Okay, I'm fine with that. So we're taking care of AMB the previous. Okay. All right. Just want to make sure we're all on the same page. Okay. I'm fine with that. So we're taking care of AMB for Mr. Kirschner's amendment and then adding in from what Mr. Turner did originally and taking out C&D from Mr. Kirschner's original motion, but he didn't read it. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. All right. I'm fine. Mr. Berksman. Thank you. I'm confused, staff, as to how this relates to CRTDs. So is this basically saying anything that's a CRTD that came into the new zoning ordinance would be allowed to add data center use as a use, data centers as a use. But if we didn't do this, they'd have to come in for a special exception. So because, I think I would mention if you make this change, it's not just limited to ZRTDs, it'd be any ZMAP, because the where it's placed in the grandfathering, it's not specific to CRTDs. So it would allow anybody who has some sort of CRTD, ZCPA, ZMAP, and it didn't already specified data center use. They would have the opportunity as they're going through the review process to add a data center use and show it in more detail so that one, legislative application comes in, you can see what that data center use consists of. But it's only for legislative applications that we're going to see anyway. Yes, and the other option would just be they'd have to add a specs and do more or less the same thing but with a specs. If I could follow up on that, I mean I I really see the only application happening with the ZRTD because the ZRTD is a legislative approval and it's a legislative approval to convert from the old ordinance to the new one and where the staff is in a normal rezoning they're going to talk about changing to the district and the uses. In this one, we would have to have specific proffer and a specific concept development plan be included as part of the ZRTD. So would no longer be your standard conversion, which the board would have to consider that approval, but you would also have to consider the use approval. And so this allows the ZRTD applicant to do that, to make proffers to put in a specific concept development plan and the board would have to approve that use. Wonderful. Okay, thank you. You can speak. You can speak. It's your turn. It's your turn. Yes. Thank you. Can I just clarify what you said, Mr. Rogers? So in the past, if a ZRTD comes to us to update from a prior ordinance to the current ordinance, which is what a ZRTD is, correct? Okay. In the past, if that's all we got was a ZRTD, then there are significant implications for us with that application. I won't go any further than that. Now we're saying if they did this and they suddenly added data center use on top of the ZRTD, we could deny the ZRTD with the added use based on the added use. That is correct. Thank you. Well, then first of all, I can't imagine anyone doing a ZRTD that wanted data, so I didn't put that down. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I want that person in my county anyway, if you don't know what you want to do. I think that's un-American. What's un-American? That's the first thing. So I think I'm voting against this. So we're saying that somebody came in and they wanted to do a conversion. But they never said they wanted the data center as part of their conversion. Now we're saying they get to add a data center as part of their conversion. Is that what we're saying right now? What staff has done, and this has been inconsistent, is we have said to data center applicants, you're not supposed to identify use. In a legislative application, they can identify use, they can submit proffers, they can submit. So staff is said to them, you're not supposed to identify or use people, so they didn't based on direction. I mentioned that. I think part of it is when we adopted the Zor, they kind to identify a useful person. They didn't based on direction. I mentioned that. Correct. I think part of it is when we adopted the ZOR, they kind of changed a little bit what was allowed in a ZRTD based on the language that was ensorted in ZOR. And that language that sort of opens up the possibility for the specific development proposals. I don't believe it was in the revised 93. One more question. this area where somebody would be doing a conversion. Are there residences in this area, down this area, or is it all kind of industrial, light industrial use? It's largely, there are some residences in the 28 tax district right along the borders of it, but it is largely commercial industrial. I really can't think of, I'm looking at Mr. Sanders, really can't think of any areas that are residential. There's some overall status drive. Yeah, many a matter, chair. A few by the closer to the mall, but there's not many. Okay, and this would, if this was the past, it would come back to the board no matter what. As the RTD will always come in front of the board. And the grandfathering, well, actually that wouldn't even be applied right there. So the board could say no to that when it came back. Just in period. Well, if it includes the additional detail that we're discussing. OK, yeah. So the board is a board is still out to say no. If that additional detail is in there. Yes Okay, I feel good about better about that You want a closing You have a point of clarification I was just gonna say in our second board term. No, that's not a point of clarification. Never mind You just want to say some stuff. That's not what a clarification. Mr. C. Derser would you like a closing? I don't need a closing, that's fine. Okay. Motion was made by Suburbanza Kirschner, second by Suburbanza, I'm still on paper to say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion passed 9 to 0. Okay. Mr. Turner, did you have a motion? Yes, you had something else? You both have motion. You both have motion related to the original motion. Holy smokes. I'm going to hit first, but I just did you. This is a recommendation from staff. I think I'm making it because I happen to be sitting closest to staff. I move to authorize staff to update the grandfriending resolution to allow cross references, renumbering and correct any technical issues related to the motions approved by the board. I think that is set, I can pay off these things that take that as a friendly. Yeah, that's a friendly. Okay fine, that's fine. Any issues with that? No, okay fine. All right. to the original motion. You have, okay, Ms. Bricksman. Well, this maybe. Bricksman. I, well this maybe could be a friendly, but I'd like to amend the grandfathering ZOM to insert the word occupied before both instances of residential structures and paragraph two. Why would you do that? Why would you do that? Because there's some places where there's just like an abandoned building. And so I mean, I get, it gets back to the conversation we had a little bit ago about what does residential mean. So the point is if it's not occupied, why, and they're going to tear it down. I'm not going to take that as a friendly. You have to make a motion on that one because not occupied doesn't mean, because not occupied to vague. Like, I don't know what not, I just said all that stuff that I said. So I won't accept that as a friendly. That's why I don't know how to get to it. That's why I suggested. OK, I'll always draw. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, yeah. So that's too vague. OK. We are back to the original motion. No, Madam Chair. What? Why actually the same thing? I said, I didn't get an idea. You did, you did, you said it was simple. I know it's going to go fast. I'll have one comment. If it's simple, it may be a friendly comment. No, you're not going to accept this. So there we are. I moved to the Board of Supervisors, a job of grandfather. Well, I'm going to move to the Adopper. But amend this grandfather as it has provided it in the amendment for the March 1820 Board of Supervisors. business actually with a following revision changed the effective date from February 12, 2025 to March 18, 2025. No, that's March 18, 2025. No, that's a motion. So yeah, no. That's a summary. A motion has been made and seconded by Ms. I'm still at discussion on the motion. Yes, thank you Madam Chair. We've had some of the discussion in the previous meeting. I think quite frankly today is the better date. There are, I think in some ways by choosing the February date, we are picking winners and losers. That is my personal opinion, and I think there is some data to back that up. Obviously I think there's going to be say, well we didn't know who was going to make this date or didn't make this date but again it's the same argument that I've made before. There's a significant investment has been made that you will still have all all the requirements that are in here, the 500 feet, et cetera. But there was, I think there's one application I spoke to, literally came in the day that was, I think it met approval by staff the day after the February day. And to me, when you go through all those hoops, you try to make it, and it doesn't ultimately us because there's a lot of reasons these things get delayed Sometimes it's task fault sometimes it may be your fault sometimes it's just the slowness in the process and there's a lot of money And there's a lot of investment and I think again our data center That we're gonna still have the 500 foot requirements that are gonna be in the base motion There are a couple of data centers that will Will fall under this that did not quite get there and quite frankly, I think you're going to have the same protections that you would. And what we're basically saying, listen, you've gone through all this process with staff, you spent all this money on the approvals. But now you're going to have to go back through the special exception process. And I think I will finish with this. This is exactly the motion that we had when we adopted the zoning ordinance rewrite. We chose the date of adoption as the date that would ultimately, I think of grandfathering and ultimately going to effect. I think to be consistent with our greatest partner in this county, we should indeed adopt this March 18th date versus the February date that we are currently having the base motion. So I'm not going to support this. First of all, I think they're greatest partner in this county or residence. That's the first thing. Secondly, I think that what you're actually doing now is creating winners and losers because you actually know who's coming after this. And so there's a purpose for this. And it's like creating a winner for somebody that came in after the February date. The February date was put out there. Everyone knew it no matter what date we choose. Somebody's going to say it's an arbitrary date because kind of little bit of this is an arbitrary date. But everyone knew what that date was and so I don't know what everybody else and where people are going to land. But I'm not going to support this. I think we're going to leave it as the February date. Would you like a closing? No. Okay. Most of the main pursuit bars are... but I'm not going to support this. I think we're going to leave it as the February date. Would you like a closing? No. OK. Motion made by supervisor Kirschner. Seconded by the Amstead. I'll pick, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. That motion will fail 7, 2. With supervisors Kirschner and Amstead. Yeah. Listen to that motion. OK. All right. I'm back to the original motion with, well, okay, now I've got to find it. I'm back to the original motions with all of the amendments and changes that were made to it. So I've already spoken on the original motion, at least on an opening on the original motion. And so now we're speaking on the original motion with all of the changes that were made to the other original motion. Would anyone else like to speak on this first motion, on the second one, the second half of the motion? Anybody? Anybody? So what we're saying right now amongst everything else is we are keeping in place the 500 foot. Why I'm gonna say setback but but difference. I would say this. First of all I say it to the data center community. Let me say what I said before. The fact that we're having discussions about data centers being this close to homes in and of itself is a bit of a is bit of an issue. Because for years, the kind of handshake agreement is that we would say yesterday the center is all day long, as long as they weren't near residences and in kind of your color corridors and things like that. The board wasn't the one that kind of broke that handshake agreement. It was the data center that broke that handshake agreement. And so I had no trouble at all leaving this in place. That's the first thing. The second thing is, and I'll say this again, we talk a lot about how much it costs for a data center to put an application in and what they do and all the things they go to. And we should talk about that. That's a lot of money. But I'm not going to value a data center over a person's home. One way or the other, I'm not going to do that. A person's home. One way or the other, I'm not going to do that. A person's home is their home. And by percentage, they probably spent just as much if not more of the percentage on their income on their home as a data center company does on any particular building that they have going in place. Not to mention, if you're like my house, my home to the large degree is my retirement. People are living in their retirement. We should not do anything that possibly lowers the cost of the value of their home. And you hear people say, in fact, it was said tonight, that our state market's doing great and loud in county, and it is. However, that's not the question. The question is not, is our market doing great overall? The question is, is that home, there's a data center near it, doing as well as that home over there, that has like the same type of home, same neighborhood, same square footage, that doesn't have a data center near it? That's the comparison you'd have to do before you know whether or not a data center near or home is actually impacting home values. And so not knowing those things, speaking of property rights, not knowing those things, I'm not going to do anything that devalues a person's home value. That is just not correct to do. So I will say one last thing. Dance in the community, perhaps, and I've said this to many of you individually, I'm going to say they're by together. If we don't want to keep happening this discussion, perhaps police your own industry a little bit more, because some of the listeners do it absolutely spot on correct. And others lead us to these moments. This is uncomfortable for everybody. Talk amongst yourselves and and police your own community a little bit more than you have. And maybe we won't have to end up in these situations. This motion was made by me, I don't know who seconded a thousand years ago. Mr. Eternal seconded this motion. On- Point of clarification, manager.. Yeah. Thank you. Yes, sir. I just want to clarify, the vote we're taking now is to approve the grandfathering resolution as amended. As amended. Thank you. I said that like five times. I know. I'm a guy. I don't understand that stuff that I used to. And that's? I resemble that comment. And that all in favor. I didn't even make the picture. All in favor, please say aye. Oppose. No. Okay, if you, I don't know what that count was. If you and I, please raise your hand. All right, that motion will pass five, four with supervisors. Glass, Takroni, Turner, and Briksman voting against the motion. All right. I move the board of supervisors adopt CPAM 24-DAS-00001, and ZOM 24-DAS-00001, data standards on locations phase one, is provided in a testant one, two, and three, to the March 18-25 board Board of Justice Business Meeting Action Item. It's a packet motion. Wow, okay. I know you have it friendly. That motion was made in seconded. I don't need to do an opening on that motion, but I will go to Mr. Crony. Who seconded that? Mr. Cronin, you seconded that? Who did second that? I think. Okay, Mr. Cronin, would you like to tell us your friendly? Which I actually accept with Septus friendly. Yeah, thank you, Chair Randall. So my friendly is to approve motion one Except with the deletion of footnote number three and attachment three Okay, I need to do explain with footnote number three in attachment three are yeah So attachment three the proposed draft footnote to table 3.02.05-1, would afford administrative applications for minor changes to a previously approved site plan for data center uses the same flexibility granted to previously approved special exception uses. 10.11.01-0.8 of the zoning ordinance, which authorizes the zoning administrator to administratively permit minor changes to previously approved special exception uses. Removal of this footnote would necessitate approval of a special exception for data center use prior to any changes to a previously approved site plan proposing a data center use. So my issue- This is a friendly. Yes, it's a friendly. I will accept a friendly. As Mr. Sains, will he accept a friendly? Mr. Sains, will you accept this one? Sorry, for you at one point. Oh my gosh, I'm frustrated. You're going to accept the right one. Sorry, you have a couple of motions up here. That's one here. Oh my god, just read it. He's a guy too. He's a guy too. Okay. No, I'm not going to accept it as a friendly. Okay, you want to make a motion? That was funny. I move that the Board of Supervisors that op C-PAM 2024-001 and ZOM-2024-001, data center standards and locations phase one as provided in attachments one, two and three. To the March 18, 2025 Board of Supervisors business meeting action item, except with the deletion of footnote number three and attachment three. Oh, I'm sorry, I should have seconded that. Discussion on the motion, Ms. Crony. Now you can explain, go on for them. So footnote number three permits minor changes to an approved site plan for an administrative application. My issue is the minor changes are significant when you apply it to an administrative application that is not received board approval or had public input. For example, an administrative data center used with up to 1 million square feet could expand 5% or 50,000 square feet without coming to the board or having a public hearing. To put this in perspective, the size of a football field is about 57,000 square feet. So my thought is this is not reasonable or modest changes to site plans. It would include an increase to the square footage of data centers by up to 5%. The addition of accessory structures, re-alignment of principal buildings and parking areas within an approved building envelope, minor additions to principal buildings and corresponding additions to parking areas with a cumulative total of all building additions, neither exceeding 5% of the gross floor area, exceed maximum permitted floor area ratio for the zoning district. Again, my concern is permitting an expansion of administrative or by-ride applications that have not been reviewed by the board or the public. And I'm only referring to administrative applications. The current zoning ordinance covers special exception applications that want to make minor changes with section 10.11.01.8. And the new footnote 4 covers a data center use approved by the board as part of a Z-Map, ZCPA, ZRTD. So by removing footnote 3, it means any previously approved or grandfathered with this zone, that we just approved. Site plans that were developed or are by right would need to seek board approval for any expansion or relocation of the data center use on the property. I support this because it provides more oversight and adds public input to the process. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Litternel. Okay, I think this discussion is getting a little bit distorted because it's exclusively focused on the 5% on minor changes, but there's a lot of other minor changes, right? And the minor changes have to be within the buildable area, correct? Yes. So it does not allow for reduced setbacks. That's not correct. So removing this footnote would not impact that. You can't do that anyway. I'm really concerned about what the impact would be if we don't allow minor changes. What can you sort of explain a little bit more about what the other changes are that we typically would allow on any application? It would mean that if the building needs to get moved over 10 feet on the site that would require a special exception. 10 feet. Any significant choice? We're going to require a special exception if somebody needs to move something over 10 feet. Let's just say staff wants to move over 10 feet because of some easement or some sort of future water line or something like that. They got to go through an entire special exception. Without the footnote, yes. The footnote was put in their choice. If we want to encourage complete lack of corporation with the county on absolutely everything moving forward, then we should take out this footnote. But this is way over the top to do. I can understand perhaps if Sue Reservoir to Crony wanted to really narrow it just to that 5%, we could have a discussion. But taking away the ability to move things, frankly a lot of times what we ask for, we ask for them to move things. That does not make any sense. I really encourage folks to think twice on this one. Ms. Berkspin. Thank you, Madam Chair. I did second the motion, but I would, I kind of agree. And I would ask to make a friendly that this only applies to the 5%. Okay. So there's a motion, there's a friendly on the table that it only applies to the 5% that's been made and for administrative and for administrative. It's just to be clear when you're saying it only applies to the 5% you're removing We're gonna yeah the the friendly is to only strike the 5% 5% provisions so they Want to increase FAR they have to come That's I'm chair. Can we stop my time? Yeah, we can only stop your time. We can put 15 seconds back sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm just annoying. Talking'm sorry. Did I approach the bench? That was like everybody. That was great. That was really long time. Okay. So we can just strike the 5%. We would have to figure out how to reword the footnote because it's referencing that whole section, but we understand the intent. Okay, okay, great. So in the rest of my time, I will just say that I'm concerned about an increase in square footage of data centers that can happen without coming back to ask us. And I think 5% is allowing them to go up to 5% and only coming for a spec if it's over 5% it was a little bit too generous. For example, the 1.3 million Belmont innovation campus if they came came in for a 5% increase, it would be 65,000 square feet. Zebra East, I think we're going to talk about later, if they came in for 5%, it would be 37,000 square feet. So I think we want just to be able to monitor that a little bit. And so I will support the motion. Thank you. Port the motion as as as as the friendly as friendly amended by you. Mr. Rogers. I just want to make sure that we're clear with the motion that it's the 5% is an expansion of the building footprint itself. It's not regarding all the other items of minor exchanges. That's how I understand it. Is that how you guys mean it that would you all mean? Okay, mr Kirschner We don't we need some sort of percentage on this yes We can't just make no percentage. We have to have some sort of percentage to have some flexibility I would agree from policy standpoint. I think having some sort of flexibility would make sense if we leave it if we are silent on it, then that would mean that whatever number is it's approved. If they reconfigure the building expanded, change the shape, but we still have to stay at that same square footage exactly. So you say in just Mr. Kirsten, you say in some way between boom and 5%. I just think my question is, there has to be a level of flexibility as a policy issue that is a... Mr. Kerston, you're saying it has to be somewhere between boom and 5%. You're saying it? My question is staff is there has to be a level of flexibility. As a policy issue, that is a very good idea. Am I correct? 4%. I mean, I understand what they're trying to do up here, but we're talking about the footprint of the building. So if they needed to move it out slightly in order to make it work or staff asked. You saying give a minimum and a maximum. of the maximum five percent. Right now it's just, we need a number. And five percent was what was recommended by, was that a staff recommendation originally? Well, we referenced everything to the section that was already in the ordinance for each area in the administration. So we allow that flexibility for special exceptions already. So it's okay. So it's already in the ordinance. We're adopting what we put in the ordinance for other applications and now I think the motion on the table is to remove that which will ultimately, it's almost like a poison pill essentially trying to kill what we've just already done in a lot of ways. So it's, we are tying the flexibility for administrative approvals that the board is not seen generally or at least, to language that is made for discretion on a special exception that the board has seen. So, we did that because it was easy to administer and because we're treating these as special exceptions, so it made a certain degree of sense. But these are large buildings, and so 5% is too much. I do think something larger than zero would make sense, but we have not done any research to figuring out if that should be 3%, 1%, that would need to be a board decision if we're doing it tonight. So we're making this on the, I'm just talking out loud here. We're kind of making this decision on the fly. We've not had anybody here from the industry to say how this is or is not going to impact the industry. We may actually get far worse product or no product. We may get far worse product quite frankly because of the lack of flexibility on this, especially if moving it or expanding it slightly, et cetera, could make a better product. So we are eliminating any flexibility in the development and application process. And without really anything to base that on, it's what it sounds like to me. I think this is a disaster waiting to happen. Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. So if we pass this and remove the 5% as part of the footnote, if someone wants to increase the the floor air ratio by 10 feet, it would trigger a special exception. Correct? Bye. Yes. Yes. If we do weigh with 5%, completely, and they want to increase the floria ratio by 10 feet, then that would trigger a special exception. Unless they reduce the other dimensions appropriately. Okay. So if we agree with the concept that some reasonable amount of flexibility and adjustments to the site ought to be reasonable, then it seems to me that somewhere between 0% and 5% which I think is a compelling case is probably too much. We can arrive at a number that would provide flexibility but not all the way out to 5%. I'm happy to propose 2%. So I'll offer that as a friendly to say 2%. Yeah, yeah. So. Motion. Are you doing okay? Who second the motion? So the reason in my head this. A bivariate application, administrative application is administrative application. You know what it is. That's why it's administrative application. That's why we're not looking at it in the beginning. Anything even minor that's being done more, we should see it. We should see it. Otherwise, I'm not going to call it an administrative application anymore. I have no issue with the 5% at all. And I think it actually, if the discussion is, We need to give the industry clarity. The industry now has clarity. They may not like what they're clear about, but they have clarity. This is your administrative application, this is what you're doing, this is how you're doing it. Anything else, then don't do it. That's really how I feel at this point, because there's a reason it's an administrative application. And thank you for saying, I think it's, I don't know who said, just 5% versus everything else because the question did become, if they were all just minor changes, how many could we build on top of each other? And that was going to be a little confusing to me also. But I don't mind it being 5%, and I don't want to be in 5% just period. To Mr. Kirschner's point, I do think that maybe whether I mind it being 5% or not is immaterial, maybe there needs to be more due diligence around these numbers. Even if I agree with it, I also agree that we can have more due diligence around this, because this is really a random number, that I agree with, but me agree with it, that make it any less random. And so I'm comfortable with the 5%, I'm not comfortable with the randomness of 5, how about 2? How about 1? Right, that part is not comfortable for me. So is it possible, Mr. Croney, that we can table this discussion and come back to it when we have some work down around it. Again, I don't have no issue with the five, but I don't think we have any. The five is, I don't know the reasons for the five. The point of clarification I'm the point clarification gonna be free table this will we do it the main motion point clarification is the Friendly that was just accepted the 5% is no longer being debated. It's 2% she accepted the okay It doesn't that's my point you're making your point clarification is Not clarifying you make it my point the 2% 5% 1% it's still random It's still just kind of tossed out there and I'm uncomfortable with that so So mr. Rogers is it any way for us to Pass the main motion and table this part no, this is part of the this is part of the zo zone. It's a footnote that's part of the zone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. You're going to vote it down. Okay. If I made sure, Randall, the one thing that we could do is whether we keep it at five or tick, pick a different number tonight, we could clarify that something we can look at in phase two. So we can put effort into it as part of phase two for sure. Okay, so if we said two, we would look at it in phase two. Yes. If you said two percent is jackal. Yeah, also true. Okay. I'll go back to Mr. Crony for a closing. Good idea about maybe incorporating it in phase two. So are you suggesting that we just go with the original motion and that we could come back to this and change it at a later date based with some data? Yeah, because I would agree which here randled that, you know, I'm not comfortable with 5% and that's why I brought this up because it's data centers are huge and 5% is a huge amount of square footage and these applications have not come before the board and you were correct Dan, this is new for us. Usually that provision is just for special exceptions, not for administrative. So this is a new footnote for us. So I think it makes sense to table it and then bring it back into phase two and see kind of we might offer. Realizing that 5% is too much. So it's like making motion to table for this item until it's into phase two. Yeah. Let's do that. So I move to table the motion that deleted footnote number three in attachment three. I will second that motion table has no discussion on the motion to table. You can't do that. And it's just going back to the main motion now. All in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Table that motion. Thank you Dan. We'll go back in phase two. We are now back to the to the. Is there anything else that any one wants to add on the base motion, Ms. Amstet? Thank you Madam Chair. I have a motion. I move that the Board of Supervisors have been CPAM 2020 40001 data center standards and locations phase one has provided in attachments one and two to the March 18th 2025 Board of Supervisors Action Item with the following revisions one the area currently designated as the urban employment place type will not be designated as the Urban Transit Center place type and two data centers will be listed as a conditional use rather than a core use within the Urban Employment Place type. I further move that the Board of Supervisors direct staff to incorporate a study of options for the Urban Employment Place type including land use recommendations that promote the long term mixed use redevelopment of the place type into the project plan for CPAM 2025-001 and ZOM 2025-001 data center standards and locations face to. Thank you. Was that the whole thing? That is it. Staff Dan was very good since the final paragraph would have dealt with supervisor turners, grandfathering that was unnecessary. So that is it. Okay. Motion is made and second by the Secretary of the Attorney. I mean, I'm sorry, but some staff. I really appreciate all the fast work that staff did to get this ready. This is a request from the industry and the reason they are requesting it is that 82% of the land area of the urban employment place type is dedicated to data centers and supporting substations. this amendment would protect existing campuses. So we already have that particular place type, fairly thoroughly covered by data centers. This only impacts the area near the Gateway Metro station. And I would just read the staff description during the board's initiation of the CPAM and adoption of the ROIA in July 2024. The board provided direction to staff to revise the urban policy areas place types map by replacing the urban employment place type with the urban transit center place type. This place type occurs in one area of the county, adjacent to the Gateway Metro Rail Station. This motion would override that element of the CPAM, so the urban employment place type would remain in its current geography. However, it would also redesign data centers from Accord Use to a conditional use, providing the ward with an additional degree of discretion at the policy level to determine whether a specific data center use proposal is appropriate within this place type. It would also direct staff to consider this area more thoroughly as part of phase two of the data center standards and locations project and provide recommendations encouraging the long term mixed use redevelopment of this area. Other discussion on the motion, Mr. Litterno? Yeah, so the main reason that I'm supportive here is the area that is being redesignated here into a the urban transit center place type is a place type that allows for residential development and there is no way we would want that where it's in the LDN 65 part of it is and the rest of it is like heavily industrial. I think the macro like long term intent is to try to encourage development other than data centers in the immediate area around the Loud and Gateway Metro Station. And I have complete agreement with that. However, I think we're going overboard here by designating, like trying to change the entire urban employment place type area into this urban transit center place type, because that extends further east into that big core canyons of data centers that already exist. And there's just no other uses that would make any sense. And we certainly went on residential in that area. So the other key thing here, and some residents that read it at the end is we're still changing it to make it a conditional use. So I think the goal was that we have more control over what's happening here. So it's no longer would be a core use in the urban employment place type. So it will come to the board, it becomes a conditional use. We're getting what we need here, which is if there is a circumstance in this area that we don't want a data center, we now have the ability to say no. But we're not changing the entire place type into something that permits residential and is just going to cause confusion with really disagreement between the zoning ordinance and the comprehensive plan which we've run into before and we should try to avoid. In this case, we would be sort of putting ourselves in that situation. So I don't think this particular change makes sense. And I also think having a broader discussion about what to do with this place type is also a good idea from a planning standpoint. So I am supportive of this motion. I mean, absolutely no disrespect to anybody sitting out there has nothing to do with whether industry likes it or not. It's more about the disagreement between the residential permitted and the urban transit place type and the area that we're talking about here, which is not appropriate. Ms. Glass. Thank you Madam Chair. I do not support this motion. So we have the comprehensive plan and that's to guide us what we're gonna have, right? So if we're looking to the future, that is where our metrostation is. So if we are having nothing but data centers there, that's just likely going to be a failing metro station because there's nothing there. And if we're talking about we're looking into the future, we need to look at something other than data centers there. Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. St. I'm sorry you finish. Miss Glass, you're good? You're good? Yeah. Mr. Saints. Thank you Madam Chair. As I believe I have staff about this item a little bit earlier in our discussion from that previous conversation. I'm fine with the motion but when I get clarity for the committee. I have a question for the committee. I have a question for the committee. I have a question for the committee. I have a question for the committee. I have a question for the committee. I have a question for the committee. I have a question for the committee. I have a question for the committee. I have a question for We don't need it. Okay, sorry. All right. It's been a long day. All right. So, Miss Glasspoint, you know, I park at this Metro stop Loudon Gateway Station. I'll be honest with you. Unfortunately, data centers are already here at this location. There's one that's pretty much done. There's another one that's being under construction right now. They've cut down all the trees to allow two more data centers. There's a substation being put in right now. It's directly across street from another to QTS data centers that are established in operations. There's another sub station there. Then you have the lifetime fitness. Then right around a corner from that there's another data center. You know, the outside of least done. Now they're going to be doing the work in the inside. So unfortunately this metro stop, you know, is is going to be a data center metro stop for a period of time. But I think we can still, as I mentioned earlier, ask the question to staff earlier, we still could have applicant who can come in and do some changes and do something else down the road, which hopefully that does happen. But I'm fine with this motion as is right now. Thank you. Ms, I mean, so I'm a supervisor, Turner. Yeah, we're going to make it a conditional, data centers are conditional use. Does that automatically trigger respects for data center application? No, but the zoning amendment that we're adopting would. Okay, so we make it a conditional use and then the adoption of this Motion tonight to see Pam's own would automatically attach respect because it's a data center. Yes, okay. Thank you So my problem with this motion and I understand what we're trying to do here I do and I love that we're talking about the conditional use my problem with this motion is this We all know that every piece of land is going to be a data center application. We just do. That's what's going to happen. I mean, unless we literally say that we will say all this, but the one thing we will exclude as a possibility of being here, besides housing, is data centers. It's going to be data centers. That's my issue right here. Of course, it's not a good place for housing, but we've talked a thousand times about how we need other uses, how we need flex industry, or how we need other things besides data centers. And we also know that data centers will and can buy a plan faster than anybody can any day of the week all the time. They just will. And so if we do this, even make it in the conditional use, what's going to happen is Buy a plan faster than anybody can any day of the week all the time. They just will. And so if we do this, even making it to the conditional use, what's going to happen is the day of the season is going to buy it. And then they're going to get far down the road and then people are going to be going to be like, well, how much money they spent and in the end, we're going to be voting on a data center here. And so I don't want it for obvious reasons to be homes, but I almost want to say, and I didn't put a motion together, so I'm going to go to this and hope it doesn't pass. I almost want to say, and I didn't put a motion together, so I'm going to go against this and hope it doesn't pass. I almost want to say this, this almost everything else works in here, but this is set aside for blank other types of industrial use that's not a data center, because when we talk about trying to diversify our economy, there are things that can be, even though it's in the LDN, there are things that can be there besides houses or data centers. We've gotten to the place where we've decided is residential, or data centers, and there's nothing other options. No other options. There are other options, but if data centers are allowed there, data centers will be there. And so I get what's trying to happen, I really appreciate the condition I use. But I would like to try to have something that we can actually have as a business in Loudon County, that's not a data center. So I'm going to vote no on this. Would you like to have a closing this, I'm stuck. Yes, Madam Chair. What this does though, is it makes certain that we begin to look at other uses further down the road. So it recognizes a reality on the ground. It actually makes certain that, as Dan said, the zoning ordinance changes, that data center applications will come before us for approval. And I think it accomplishes, ironically, what I think, I think, Supervisor Glass is trying to accomplish. So I would just ask for the board support. Thank you. All right. Most of us, I'm still, I think we'll see about the internal. I don't feel please say aye. Opposed? Aye. May. Okay. That's a note. Mr. Tains, where are you? Not the dimension at this point because of of the fight. So it's a four for one then. So then that will fail the motion. Four for one fails a motion. Yes, it does. If you're going to help me, you've got to help. I just want to help you. You're going to help me. You're going to have to say no. You've got to be helpful. So that will fail. That will fail. Now, I don't like doing things on the fly, but this is something we should, I think, talk about in phase two and later, I think, because I understand what the intent was. And so I think that maybe later. Anybody else on the one that has any other motions or amendments or Friendlies on this main motion? Yes, you do. You're one comment on the main motion. Okay. We're coming down the main motion that has not been amended at all in any way. amended at all in any way, right? No, it hasn't. Okay, Mr. Kirschner. We made a motion. I did. You don't want to? Okay. So, a long time ago. Thank you for the vigorous debate and the many thoughts that went through. I want to thank my colleagues, even though I seemingly disagree with some of the things I do appreciate, I think the good intentions regarding the grandfathering of the data center applications. And I'll say the industry quite frankly, and I think everyone up here can agree with it, has come a long ways in how they've done things. and the applications we're seeing today are quite frankly very different and I think everyone up here can agree with it has come a long ways in how they've done things and Applications we're seeing today are quite frankly very different and I think the chair and mr Eternal and those who are on the board a long time ago are very different than they were in those days and so for that Quite frankly the industry should be complemented And and a lot of that was at the behest of this very board But in good companies have come quite feel, and acted in good faith, and have been some of our strongest business partners here in the county. But I think under what we are doing, they are being forced to play a very dangerous game of Loudoun County zoning relette. And I'm concerned that they're not winning. And the problem with Loudoun County zoning rel let is the regulatory, and I've talked to many of them about this. And this I think is, I want to be a little prophetic here. When you spend that wheel, there is a level of uncertainty that permeates all businesses, not just this business, but all businesses. Who are thinking and doing business here in the county, and that has huge negative effects on loud and county. We're going to be voting on this process here that we've gone through over the last year and a half or more, and I think it will cost a lot of businesses. These businesses, some that spoke tonight, primarily data centers, but also all those that service these data centers, some of who we heard from tonight. But it's gonna impact more than that, because the uncertainty is really real. I think a lot of folks came to this county, they sought to develop, they sought to use our zoning ordinance, and now some of them are losing out. Some of them have had millions of dollars in investment and are going to be losing that investment no doubt to some degree. And quite frankly, I spoke with industry leader recently and he says, it's not the cost of the building themselves nearly as much as the cost of what's internally in there. There's a lot of jurisdictions, we don't have the latency strategic advantage that we used to. And so I think it's just a matter of time. It won't happen next year, it won't happen five years from now. It might not even happen seven or eight, nine years from now. But I think this industry will ultimately, if we continue kind of down this path, we'll probably leave Loudoun County. And they've been such a great partner. And I feel like what we're doing here is gonna have a long lasting effects. And so I appreciate a lot of the changes that were made, a lot of the improvements that were made, but I think the process itself has been flawed. Thank you Madam Chair.. Thank you, sir. Ms. Amstatt. Thank you, Madam Chair. I will be voting against this main motion for probably many of the reasons that supervisor Kirschner outlined. I'm concerned in general about taking away by right opportunities for businesses that have invested or for homeowners who have invested. We try to treat everybody on an equal playing field. There have been millions, hundreds of millions of dollars invested in the county and the results we've seen in allowing us to lower taxes and actually this year are actually lower. The tax bill for the average resident when it comes to both their home for the rent that's paid because taxes on rental properties will be on average going down as well, but also on the homeowners cars. The data center industry and some of us have said this to the point where I'm sure our colleagues are sick of here again, but the data center industry enables us to pay for mental health counseling, child protective services, law enforcement in the county, parks acquisition, historical property acquisition, schools, transportation projects. All of what makes this a great county is paid for in large part by the data center industry. And it is an industry that we as citizens of this country and citizens of this county and state have created the need for. So just as we expect there to be farms to provide food for our tables, the data center industry provides the kind of life we have chosen. So whenever we come out to speak and we use a laptop or a cell phone to read our speech from or any time up here where we all have iPads. All of that is utterly dependent on the data center industry. It is not some alien force. It is fundamentally what we want. It provides what we fundamentally want to be part of our lives. So when we speak in terms that are less than complimentary towards it or try to slap it down or try to restrict it, what we are doing is I think what we're doing is being a bit hypocritical. We have created this and we ought to appreciate it. Thank you. Ms. Tukroni. Thank you, Chair Randle. I wasn't going to speak, but I'm going to now. So I appreciate the data centers and what the data centers bring to our fiscal situation. Data centers generate over one third of the counties. General fund revenues are 38% of the total general fund revenue. Our approach to data center revenue and our fiscal policy is to limit our reliance on data centers and to diversify our economy. We have now hit the point that county administration wants to lower the tax rate on data centers on data centers personal property tax in particular because we're getting too much revenue from them. So, you know, I hear supervisor Amststead, but we've really hit the point where it's kind of diminishing returns, you know, where we gain a lot of revenue from data centers, but our policy is to limit our reliance on data centers. And when I first came to him into office, my goal was to stop the lowering of that data center of personal property tax. Because that would have happened, it would have gone down. But I held on to it. Because residents need to feel the relief. And so Supervisor Kirschner and I worked on lowering that tax. But we have hit that point. And so I know the data center industry has been great partners. I want to support the existing community, but I do know that residents are really feeling the impacts with the amount of transmission lines that we have going through this county and also the amount of substations. I'm shocked to hear people say we need 50 substations. I'm gonna do some research on that. Because 50 substations is a lot of substations for our county residents to put up with. So I do think that, you know, we have the largest concentration of data centers in the world. And I do wanna partner with the data center industry and I think that we're to be doing that with phase two, but regarding the revenue, we are over reliant on data centers. And so that's what I've been told and that's our approach to data center revenue is to try and meet that ratio. And I think it's become too much at this point. So I do want to make that point. I'm happy to support this data center. And I think it's become too much at this point. So I do want to make that point. I'm happy to support this data center, CPM and ZOM. I think it's time for us to take oversight on this industry. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Luterno. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, I am disappointed with the last discussion we had on the place types to the point where I may bring something back to at least do the last part of that where we can have a better discussion about what we're trying to do in this area. And that does push me slightly on the negative on this. But ultimately, I will vote yes on the overall package. We have 400 something thousand bosses, and they've asked us to do something. Every meeting, we hear the horror story of what we're dealing with on the Mars the Golden Transmission Line. And you can't just look at all these things in a vacuum. We got here, we are here. I echo what my colleagues have said. I'm appreciative of the amazing revenue. And also, I've been pretty consistent about supporting data centers that are in places that they should be. But the reality is some of them haven't been, some of them aren't. Many of us have had that experience. I will just be very upfront about the fact that there was one particular data center in South Riding that came in as a buy-right use that I tried my hardest to go somewhere else to the point of even finding a different site. And that company wouldn't work with me, wouldn't talk to me, and here we are. That stuff accumulates over the years, and it creates resentment with presidents. And so at some point, yeah, the board board has to act and I understand it's unfortunate because many companies aren't doing those sort of things but here we are. All that said I did want to offer just a few thoughts because we've put some things into phase two. I don't I think I think we need to take a fresh look at phase two. I think we number one don't necessarily need performance standards because we've now made these special exceptions. If we adopt performance standards, we're going to end up making existing data centers non-conforming, which I don't think is something we should do. And number two, I also really think we need to prioritize the transmission line corridor zooam potentially above anything else because if we, you know, it to look at this in retrospect. If we go back in time, the approach we took here, whether we wanted it or not, it created a gold rush. We had dozens of applicants coming in, getting entitlements. But frankly, I think some of this is inflated, because I don't think all these things are actually going to develop and build for the maximum that they've been asking for. But they did it because they felt threatened and they came in. So maybe we could have approached this differently and not had that situation. Be that as it made, the next threat that we're going to be facing is on power lines. It already is. And it's not just loud in county. It's power lines getting down to Prince William County, which has a big expansion on this. So we've got to get a handle on those quarters. And I think that's just an important thing to potentially prioritize. So I think we need to have a discussion around phase two. What that looks like and then which of these things need to go first because staff's time is valuable. And we know how much work they've had to put into this. So thank you to staff. I will vote yes with reservations. Thank you. Ms. Bricksmann. Thank you, Madam Chair. Well thank you staff for all of your work on this and thanks to everyone who met with me and you know thanks for all the conversations appreciate it, appreciate all the speakers. You know I I semi-agree with Supervisor eternaluterno. I'm looking at our calendar here. And, you know, we started this in literally in 2021. It came to T-Luck in April of 2022. But for some reason, we only had, it come to two business meetings in 2023 in February and November. So that's a double-edged sword, right? Like people, maybe there was a little bit of a gold rush, but also you can't argue that people didn't know that we were going to be doing something. I find it really curious that the two supervisors on this board who are the biggest advocates for data centers have literally no data centers in their districts. I mean, Catoctin, I think has zero and Leesburg, maybe one. So, know how many? Okay. I'm disappointed with the grandfathering. We have 41 million square feet already in the county and potentially now with grandfathering the administrative applications through here. We're gonna to have another potentially 61 million. So I am disappointed with the grandfathering, that's why I voted against it. I don't think data centers are going anywhere. I think the jobs are not going to go anywhere. I mean, it was such an investment in the community. I don't think they're just going to up and leave. I think that's a little bit of fear mongering. Yes, we need data centers in our lives, but they don't all need to be in Loudoun County. They don't all need to be in Loudoun County. I mean, that's why I've been trying to help some of my Vaco colleagues figure out how to get their zoning ordinances in line and how to work with the industry to make sure that to make sure that they have all the information and learn from everything that we've learned from in the last decade or so. But residents have been begging us to do something. I'm really proud that we're doing something. I mean, the visual fatigue, they're concerned about pollution, they're concerned about transmission lines and substations. And the fiscal reliance on the revenues is becoming almost irresponsible. So I'm really glad that we're doing this work and that we're going to pass this first phase. I would be interested in having more discussions on what we do in phase two. I don't think that's a horrible idea at this point because it's just been so long. And I think some things got put in phase one that maybe weren't initially supposed to be there. So I'm happy to do that as well. Anyway, great work everyone and thank you. Miss Glass. Thank you Madam Chair. And I just want to thank staff for working so hard on this on the grandfathering and answering our questions. I know we had a lot of them. You know, I think one of the things that I hear mostly from my constituents are the data centers because we do have a lot of them in the broader industry. And as, you know, I would go with what supervisor Briskman said, yes, they do bring us revenue. I appreciate all the work that they have done in our communities working with non-profits, such as the blood drives that you all have done. And I think these changes will help empower us the board to make thoughtful decisions regarding what data centers are we built in our communities. So I'm glad to support this motion. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to thank staff. I know everybody else has, but I know the kind of work that you've been doing for the last two weeks has been crushing. This is incredibly complex. All of us involved here are being yelled at on an almost hourly basis by every stakeholder in this discussion. And it goes with the job. There it is. It goes with the job. In any event. Oh, just hold on. Let's just finish. Okay. There you go. In any event. It's Yeoman's work. It's in many ways, thankless, but when you get to an end result that is a reasonable end result, and I think that you should have some satisfaction and pride in the work you did. So, and thank you for helping me specifically. There have been many times I've reached out for help. You were very kind and helping. So thank you very much. I really truly appreciate it. I will add my voice to thanking all of you. Thank you, staff, very much. And Dan, you're particularly, you're very, very calm. I already say you have the greatest dryness to humor. It's a pleasure working with you. I will also say thank you to Mr. Turner. You've done so much work on this issue for such a long time. If we can go a day without you calling me about some new idea or something, then that would be just fantastic right now. But you have really, really done yo-mins work. So thank you very much. Mr. Kirschner, I think you're right. I think there is a level of uncertainty, but I also think that the level of uncertainty is because we're trying to get it right. And sometimes when you're trying to get it right, It's not always pretty. And truthfully, it wasn't Mr. Turner, I mean Mr. Turner and I was years ago for board supervisors that put these things in place. I mean, this was the 95 revised, was 2003, yes, before anybody on this day, it was up here. And so we're trying to, I'll say the word correct, I don't mean that to be be disparaging to supervisors that came before us. I think they did their best they knew to do at that time. No one could have known what this was going to become. And so when you make data centers uses office use, you don't know what's about to happen. And so I don't blame them, but at the same time, there are some things that need to be corrected. We have two goals up here. One land use and zoning which I love land use and zoning and two to hear the voice of the people and we have to do both and we have there we have emails almost every day I get emails about data centers. When I first came on I would call people and I would say but this is what it it does for your tax rate and how much it lowers it and they do this for the community and somebody would say, oh, I didn't know that. Things will let me know and that be it. Now I say this is what it does for your tax rate and they say, I don't care. I have people say, I will pay more. Stop building these. At some point we just cannot ignore the voice of the people. And no one can say that a county that has the vast majority of the world's data centers is not friendly to data centers. No one can say a county that says no almost never to data centers is not friendly to data centers. We have been very, very data center friendly and very, very data center accommodating, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean that we can't, at some point say, yeah, but this is enough. To quote Ms. Rickson, yes, we all use cell phones and I patch and all those things. But the entire day the entire data center industry Does not have to be located in Louding County, Virginia. It just it just doesn't and so we need to do something to try to balance out what we're doing I do think we should do more right now with With with with talk more about face two that's that I'll say that no more all right I made the motion So, let's turn on the two second motion. Who second is motion? Huh? Who did second this motion? Because it was a long time ago. Mr. Corny, you have Mr. Corny? Mr. Sains? OK, who you got? Who you got? Who you got? I'm going to hear her. That was me. I'm not sure who we did it with, but I'm going to say it was vice chair Turner. So that's where we are right now That's that's what we are as the chairs for rocket if that's what made a call um all people to say aye oppose nay that motion will pass seven two supervisors um I'm set in cursive voting against the motion supervisors we're not finished and we can on. We have three more items, two more items, and a closed session. I think actually we can go on and do, we can not do eight right now, go on and do zebra east because we can. So we're going to do zebra east. Mr. Sains, would you like to go to a motion for zebra east? Which is item number 6. Who took this off consent? I don't know. I'm both or bricksman or both of them. You both have them took it off. Mr. St. you would like to make a motion please. I move that the Board of Supervisors approve, ledge 2023-0077, 7, Zebra East, Z, CPA, Dash 2023, 0, 0, 0, 5, and Specialist exception, Special Exceptions, excuse me, 2023, Dash, 0, 0, 1, 9. Subject to the proper statement dated March 12, 2025, and the conditions of approval dated March 13, 2025, and based on the Foundings for approval provided the attachments 1, 2, and 4 to the March 18, 2025 Board of Supervisors Business Meeting Action Item. Motion is made and second supervisor, Lieutenant, discussion on the motion, Mr. Sains. All right, thank you Madam Chair. This application we've worked on and had a few edits and nips and tux to it originally, the special exception to FER was at 1.0, which is equivalent to 965,038 square feet. They're coming in today with a 0.75, which is equivalent to 720,3779 square feet. So we're lowering it. And we have a lot of new proffers in regards to the construction of second and future Lockridge road from Loudon County Parkway that extends into the Subject property. And let's see here we have also some right of ways on that Various Road. And we, right, the subject is actually near the Data Center that's currently being built. We know there's gonna be some other data centers from this applicant in the vicinity. But overall, it's in a good place type for data centers. There's power that's currently there now. So I will be supporting the motion. Thank you. That's for the motion you made. Thank you very much. Mr. Luternow. Yeah, just real briefly. We've had a lot of discussion about Lockridge on this and I would agree that we don't need Lockridge at this moment. But if we ever are going to do Lockridge, we need to approve this application because of the way the site's configured and the amount of work that we've of work that we've done to get access to it. And I'm not willing to look 20 years in the future and say that we don't need lockritch. we need to approve this application because of the way the site is configured and the amount of work we have done to get access to it. I am not willing to look 20 years in the future and say we don't need lockritch. It has been in the CTP for a long time for a reason. I have had extensive discussions with staff who have outlined several scenarios in which we would need lockritch. It really depends on long term development patterns. If we are successful, we will crack frankly in doing what supervisorvisor Glass and I both talked about, which is improving the situation at loud and gateway long-term, then we probably would need lockridge, for instance. So for that reason, and given the fact this is an industrial site anyway, I will vote in favor of it. And I think it's important that we have that lockridge potential in place in the future to kind of protect ourselves. So, Vizza, to Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. So I can't support enlarging the data center building from the original 372,180 square feet up to the maximum of a 723, 779 square feet to build a segment of future lock Ridge road when I believe this connection east of Loudoun County Parkway may not be needed. I know supervisor Luterno just mentioned that it might be, but here's why I think we don't need it. Number one is, Shellhorn Road is a short distance away. It's less than a mile away from Lockridge and Prentice Drive. Both Shellhorn Road and Lockridge Drive are identified as four lane major collector roads in the 2019 Countywide Transportation Plan. And Shellhorn Road provides the most direct access to the Ashburn and Gateway Metro stations. It also connects to the existing Lock Ridge Road. Both across the broad run do we really need to plan crossings of the broad run north of the Greenway. I think this is a situation similar to Gloucester Boulevard and Russell Branch Parkway that were both planned to cross the goose creek and a sePM removed that Gloucester Boulevard crossing. I believe the need for lockridge, apprentice drive, east of Lawn County Parkway needs to be studied during the countywide transportation plan review that will be started this year but I'm not willing to approve a data center for a right of way and a building of a road in the frontage of a data center that I don't think we need. I also think that the proffers do not include some sustainability practices that are in our comprehensive plan such as a tier 4. And I know that the applicant did proper lead standards, green building standards, but there's no commitments to water usage, water conservation, and efficiency strategies. So I won't be supporting this. Thank you. Dan, how much water is this data center using? Is it using more than what the new adversaries are using today? I honestly could not tell you that. OK, that's fine. That's fine. Don't worry about it. Listen, I'm going to say yes. And that's not because the lockers drive or any rope. Because I personally don't know that we should be saying yes to know the data center is based on profits that are voluntary anyway. I mean, I think that gets me real dangerous when we start requiring a balance. know that we should be saying yes or no, the data center is based on profits that are voluntary anyway. I mean, I think that gets me real dangerous when we start requiring a voluntary froth or before we say yes to an application. That's just not a smart thing to do and for a lot of reasons. I'm going to say yes because I think this is a data center in the right place. We just talked about data centers that are located in the right locations that have industrial around them that are not by residences, that are not going to right locations that have industrial around them, that are not by residences, that are not in a big call, a corridor that has power generation already there. The reasons that we should say yes to a data center are wrapped up in this data center. And so that's why I'm going to say yes to this no matter what is or is not happening to with what they wrote. And I don't believe, because I think the staff would have flagged it, that this, they're sort of today, the new ones, they don't use the water that used to be, they just don't. The water usage is not nearly what they used to be. If they were, I'd be saying no to a lot of data centers, but they're just not what they used to be. And because this one's power is there because it's already in a site, I do feel comfortable singing yes to this particular... but they're just not what they used to be. And because this one's power is there because it's already in a site, I do feel comfortable saying yes to this particular data center. Mr. Sands, would you like a closing? Yes, I'll be very brief. Yes, the lock ridge was not the issue for me on this one. As you pointed out, this is in a proper location for data centers. This is surrounded by other data centers. There's power there already and can incorporate this use into it. But in regards to lock-rich, I feel not right now, not in the next two years, three years we need that road. But down the road, yes, because keep in mind we have Silver District West and the Cloud More property that those are, I think altogether, probably about five to six thousand residents that will be coming once those are fully built out. So we definitely will need some more roadways when when they come online eventually whenever that happens but obviously not today not tomorrow it's going to be further down the road. So thank you to the applicant and hopefully this passes. Thank you. All right, motion was made by supervisor saying thank you by supervisor eternal. I'll give you say aye. Oppose no that motion will pass six three with supervisors the crony Bricksman and Turner voting against the number eight. We're going to number eight and then we're going to take a quick break before we go to closed session because I need a quick break before we go to closed session. So we're going to go to motion number eight, which is not motion number eight, I number eight, which is also, okay, I'm just lost in there, just give me a second. Yeah, the address of the Davis Center item, yeah. Yeah, you guys, you guys forgot about this? Well, Madam Chair, do you think there's any chance that we could potentially... Yes, the Diversal Data Center item. Yeah, yeah. You guys, you guys forgot about this? Well, Madam Chair, do you think there's any chance that we could potentially take this up at the next meeting so we have time now that we know where. I absolutely think we can table this to the next meeting. And actually, the next meeting's not a very heavy meeting. It's a pretty light agenda. Dan, don't lure my life right now. Can we table it until I come back with the work plan later in April? You can table it until you come back come back with the work plan later in April? You can table it until you come back to the work plan later in April. Would you know when it was like second meeting in April maybe? Yes. Let's table this to the second meeting in April when the staff comes back to the work plan. Then you will now my favorite county employee. Do you live in London? Exactly. I'm doing that right now. Mr. Hemsdreet, yes. Are you having an issue if you want to be in my favorite county employee? I do not. I just want to ask a procedural question. Are we to take into consideration for Fates 2 to provide some counties issue on the percentage? Yes, please. We tabled it item seven. Yeah, but I just want to make sure that we catch that. That was the one. Yes, that would be fine. There's a motion to table that I made and who second, Leo, I'm sorry. There is one item in this. There's a Roya that's to initiate phase two. Do you want to do that at this time? It is referenced elsewhere. We need to. Documents that we have. Do we need to? You could put it off to April. Let's do that. Okay. So I made the motion to table. There you go. Motion to table has no discussion. I don't feel please say aye. Any opposed? I motion for the going to say no. I do want to make one correction. Matt Rogers is my favorite county employee. Dan, you're second. Okay, you're second. Okay, let's take a five minute break before we go into the second closed session. Yeah. I'm going to go to the next room. 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Because my seat stand on too tired to raise it up. I move that the closed session be adjourned. That the Board of Supervisors reconvene its public public meeting that the minutes of the public meeting should reflect that no formal action was taken in the closed session. And further move that the resolution certifying the closed session be adopted and reflected in the minutes of this public meeting. What's his main second discussion on the motion? By the way, Ms. Prickspan did not read into closed session, did not go into closed session with us and she has left. All people who say aye. No, fine. Any opposed? discussion on the motion. By the way, Ms. Prickspan did not read into closed session, did not go into closed session with us and she has left. All people who say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 70, I mean 801. Ms. Would you please affirm? Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. And I affirm as well, we are adjourned.