Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Nunnallon October 7th, Council Meeting Workshop, if you would join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to offer an open and prayer? Am I allowed to say anything? Seeing no one, Councilwoman Hatcher answer would you like to say something? If I may please, thank you. Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day and we thank you for the blessings that you bestow upon us. We praise you, your Lord, for all of the many hands that are here in the city that are trying to protect and serve our citizens. We ask that you protect all of those that are traveling through our city and protect them. And we ask that you protect all of us as we travel to our homes. We know you are with us and we know that your arms are protecting us. And your holy name we pray to Lord, amen. Amen. Thank you. Maybe see you. Madam Clerk. I'm going to have a clerk. here here mayor green here here Jan Smith, on its officer here. Show them the police on its officer. Here. Chad Ward, Public Works Manager. Here. She's Guy Plione. Here. Captain Bray. Here. Michelle Litter, Assistant Clerk. Here. Ron Brown, Community Development Supervisor. Here. Julie Denowski, Records Clerk. Here. City Attorney, Andrew Van. I'm here. The agenda for this meeting was posted on the city's website, City Hall bulletin board on Monday, set to November 30th, 2024. The agenda was amended on Wednesday, October 2nd, to add police introductions, item number 5D, add backup to item number 4C, and item number 7A. Ladies and gentlemen, at this point in time, I would like to recognize our chief of police. He has a presentation to make before our city. Thank you, Mayor and council. I wanna introduce the officers from the police department. I know we did this early on when we very first, kind of got the police department up and running, but it had been first-known changes. There's new people, so some are the same, but I want to introduce them all. So I'll start over here and start off with Hopman. Y'all met him, Officer Gonzalez, Officer Cantrell, he was here, Officer Mani Ramjit, Officer Ezra Ramjit, the one that Van Aiken came and praised. The last meeting is currently at the jail of somebody, so he couldn't make it today. I'm going to go for a paterson over there and my detective, Berrsto. Detective Berrsto is the one that just went from part time to our full time now. So we have one full time opening and one part time opening. Please start. Well, this is us, and I wanted you guys to meet everybody here by his faces, and I wanted them to be able to meet you and see your faces and know who people are. So, get out. Welcome, guys. We're very, we're very... We're very pleased you're here tonight. And we're fantastic job force. I have to welcome Therese. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. That meant these numbers. Thank you, gentlemen. The city supports you and everything you're doing to protect the citizens of this community. And we have certainly preached of every effort you're making, especially during this time of trials that we're having with this storm. And know that we back you 100% to counsel support you. Thank you very much for all your service. Go good. I'm so safe, thank you. Thank you very much for all your service. Go good. I'm going to step outside with them and give them some mission statements for tonight. All right. Thanks. Is there anyone signed up, Mandy, for comments. Is there anyone who would like to make a statement at this point in time from the audience? Anyone? Seeing no one? We'll move on to board reports. Judy, did you wish to speak this evening? Yes, sir. Well, I would like to recognize you and this for opportunity and do that you go home as soon as possible. Okay, thank you. Appreciate that. My name is Judy Twilliger. I'm the executive director of the Den Allen Chamber. We have a few new members. We have WS fishing sales, Patsy and company Salon, the art addicts and Jeff Norton digital. Been a busy month. We have a few upcoming events, October 7th, 14th, 21st and 28th. It's going to be bingo nighted cheers from 5 to 7 pm. October 23rd is the musical trivia at cheers from 6.30 to 8.30 pm. October 2nd, 16th and 30th is a tropical trivia at Cheers from 630 to 830 p.m. October 5th, 19th and 26th is a spar-building, spl-eye farm swap from 8 a.m. to 12 p.m. October 11th is Tiny Jams at Gypsy Guitar's Life from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. October 12th is the Two Rivers Music Festival in Food Truck Rally from 5 to 10 p.m. to 10 p.m. October 12th is the two rivers music festival in Tofu, Trekk Rally from 5 to 10 p.m. October 17th we have the diabetes support group from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. at River Life Church October 20th is the Dennell and poetry meeting from 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. at Rainbow Springs Art and Dennell. And that's all I have today. Thank you. Thank you, Judy. You're really appreciate all you're doing. Julie, how many do you think you have now, members? Just out of curiosity. We are up to about 130. One more. Thank you. Is there any board reports that we have, anyone serving on the board, which should address the council? We'll move on now to Item 3 a city council report All right. All right. We'll move into discussion. Item number four. For a lease agreement. AGR202.0-05 rainbow springs are incorporated. Mayor, I did prepare an agenda summary for this item and I'll just read it into the record. The term of the lease with the Remedies Rings art was amended by the City Council on November 15 to extend the term through December 31st. For the amended agreement the rent for this property is $525 per month. On September 25th 2024 2024, Council passed resolution, RAS 2024-14, allowing for the disposal of the property at this location, and further direct the staff to advertise and work with the real turf necessary to solicit offers for the sale of this property in accordance with chapter 163-380. Rainbow Springs Artists requesting a month-a-month extension of the rental agreement, effective January 1, 2025. They are requesting with payment new in advance the rental rate continues to be previously established at $5.25 per month. Further more the request is for a 30-day notice of termination on a before June 25th in anticipation they will not extend occupancy past that time. I reached out to Luis Rodriguez with optical tail on Monday, September 30th, and left a voicemail advising him that the city will be advertising to solicit office for the property. And I'll follow that with an email. Options to consider. Do not extend the lease agreement and solicit proposals immediately. If we proceed with soliciting proposals immediately and optical tail makes an offer on the property, consider our clause allowing RSA to remain in the building until June with rent due to optical tail or extend the lease agreement and postpone soliciting proposals for the property. Thank you. Discussion. Personally, I'm with number two in Consider a Clause allowing RSA to remain in the building until June with rent due to optical tell. That's assuming that they buy the building before January 1st. So then any other if they were to stay there, they would just go to, we will be collecting rent until they until we sell the building. That's what I'm in favor of. To me, these are people that are trying to make a living. We agree to sell the building. We know they've got a building and they're in the process of transitioning. We don't know next week what we're going to be dealing with due to the storm. So my feeling is, let's try to do as much as we can to help the businesses. It doesn't matter whether it's all right away or whatever. It's going to happen. But let's work with the people to try to create jobs and create more of what we want. Ellen. And that would be, you know, I don't know if we go ahead and advertise if someone else besides Optical Tail were to make an offer on the building that they would be willing to, but I'm presuming since, because we don't know what they would want to do with the building, obviously. But I'm presuming that if Optical Tail did make an offer since they've been sharing the building with Rainbow Springs Art all this time anyway that they would maybe be willing to negotiate some sort of agreement with them to let them stay there until June. But that's to be, you know, I can't say that they will, but I'm just assuming that that would be a possibility. Valorant? Yeah. I mean, you know, and again, kind of this is in my wheelhouse doing it for 30 plus years. But basically, even if we, you know, we put them on like a, even if we go and put it up for sale, regardless if opt to tell, buys it it or XYZ comes in and buys it, having a tenant in a rental property is not a deficit to a buyer, especially if they know that there is an end date for that tenant to be moved out. Now this also would require if XYZ buys buys it we're also going to have to have up to up to tell got a can't say that word also have to vacate by a certain date as well be it 1231 or some but I can't imagine them being out of there within two months back at the agreement because I can't remember exactly what the termination clause is for that lease agreement. It should be 60 days? Was it 60 or 90 days? I can't remember off the top of my head. It doesn't matter, it's one of them. It's a rub and it's one of those, right, 30, 60 and 90. I want to tell you it was 60 60 but I could be totally wrong in that So basically yes, you know if opt to tell you know, I give them to Monday or whatever to get back with you And if they're not then I think we could go ahead and proceed to speak with a real-sake group or how we want to do it and Having a tenant there is not a deficit. I don't know if we want to give them until June or just tell them, you know, they have until February, March to get out. Whatever it is that we all decide is fine. But I agree that supporting our local businesses is something that the downtown area has always promoted. I mean, not that they don't love real estate agents, but they'd rather not have 50 real estate offices on that road, they'd rather see businesses that bring in the people to walk up and down those streets and that's what we want. So, trying to work with them, I think that's the citizens of the knowing will not be losing any money. Even if we sell it tomorrow, if we agree to let them stay that's the citizens of the Nellin will not be losing any money, even if we sell it tomorrow, if we agree to let them stay in it till, and if the buyer, it's always negotiable. If the buyer doesn't want them to stay, then it's out of our hands at that point, but we will have to follow the lease that we currently have. That's my professional opinion and council opinion. Damn. Yes, sir. There needs to be language if we're going to extend the lease that if the buyer does not want somebody in there leasing that building. Okay, that the city offers 30 days notice. And whether it's off to tell or RSA that they they must vacate the premises. But I don't want to go on a hope. The last time we listened to this wheelhouse stuff, we bought a church. I can't be used for police station, so I'm worried about people's expertise sitting up here with that. I won't words. Mr. Mayor, I will not. No, yes, you will, because this is on record. Then leave. Sir. Well, wait a minute. I am going off the records, sir. All right, if anything I say is not factual or is not record, then you let me know. But I am not going to sit up here and let the taxpayers buy another church or any gang go down that road. What needs to be in this contract is, yes sir, absolutely sir. Just give me a moment please. What we're talking about is the sale of the former library where Optatail is now with an extensive array of equipment. It would, it doesn't make a lot of sense after they've been there all these years, that they wouldn't want to continue there. We have the Arts Council, the Rainbow Springs Arts. They have bought another building and they're going to move. Those are the two facts that I know of so far. It's how we determine how the city disposes of this property, which is advantageous to the citizens of the community. There are different aspects as far as what's advantageous and what's not and how do we weigh that out. I think that's basically what's not and how do we weigh that out. I think that's basically what we're trying to establish. Yes, sir. And I will anything that went on in the past. Can we can always discuss that you're progative? Damn always. But any comments that are addressed from one council member to another or reflection on on them is a borderline You know how to water no sir. It's not no you know if you make a statement and A derogatory a statement or wouldn't a derogatory statement sir? It was an absolute fact We can go back to the record and find those facts. Well, I'm not disputing that to him I would rather us absolute fact we can go back to the record and find those facts. Well, I'm not disputing that, Tim. I would rather us be more congenial to each other and avoid if there's even any idea that someone's going to take offense. I'd like us to go the other way as much as we can. I understand. Is that? Valor, do you understand? Is that correct? I am a good professional, sir, and I will continue to be a good professional. I will not have my reputation as a professional in this business. Fridisized by someone who is- I just repeated the records, sir, I didn't criticize anything. All right, well, I'm going to- But back to my point, if I'm back to the business. All right, okay. It doesn't matter if it's RSA, it doesn't matter if it's Optatel. We represent the majority of the taxpayers. And so to me, it only makes sense to put in the document, what the sales document, that if either of the Leases need to one purchases the building and if the buyer does not want to Leasey in there, then the city will give 30 days notice and they will evacuate. That's just typical business. There's nothing unusual about that. And it's reasonable. And that's my point. Okay. I understand. Does everybody else understand that? Did you, Tim, would like a 30-day option to vacate the property if a party outside of the two individuals that we are currently dealing with as renters are not interested in the property? Is that a clear point? I understand the point. I would rather do 60 days. 60 days? I would offer 60 days. Would you think 60 days would be objectionable to them? Do you have an opinion of that? 60 days would that make a difference in your judgment? I would say it is up to the buyer. I think 30 days is a reasonable. We don't want to lose a sale if it doesn't work out if we have a buyer is. Well I believe we should exercise on the caution of the taxpayers. If a buyer is good with 60 days, if a buyer is good with 90 days, we can always extend it out. But I believe that we should err on the side of caution for the taxpayers and not lose a sale over a number. Well, I think when we get into negotiations as far as closing dates and things of that nature, I think those decisions can be made in negotiations between the purchaser and the seller. But I think the suggestion of 60 days is reasonable. And I also have a background in real estate myself. So I think at 60 days it's not objectionable as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it would be a deal breaker. Okay. So we have a deal breaker. Okay. Oh, so we have a consensus of 60 days. And again, it's always negotiable. Amuse negotiable, is that? It's not negotiable if we put something in Optitell's rent. If we tell Optitell, they have till June 1st and month by month, then it's not negotiable. We're talking about what kind of, but we're talking about January for December 31st, our contract, our agreement with RSA expires, our agreement with Optatel expires. What RSA is looking for is terms that bring us to June 1st. All right, so that is where we have to answer, give RSA an answer for that agreement. All right, so in there we have to determine whether it's going to be 30 days, 60 days, or anything like that. And once we let that in agreement, then whoever the buyer has to abide by that. There's no negotiating on our part. You're talking about, you would lock in an option that they would have to deal with if they purchased the property on January 1st. In other words, you're talking about a lease agreement tied into a sales agreement. This would be subject to this lease agreement and you would be obliged to adhere to it, even know you bought the property in January 1st. Yes, sir. Right. Okay. Even though you bought the property January first. Yes, sir. Right. OK. So it's up to tell an RSA that we have to agree with what the terms are. And once we agree with the terms for those particular agreements, regardless, there is no negotiating after that. We must abide by the terms of those two lease agreements. Well, in real estate, the less incumbents you have on any sales agreement, the better off it is. Exactly. We always try to do that. Exactly. And that leaves it open. You know, for negotiation, that's the key. We want the best for the taxpayer, regardless. And I think a 60 day is reasonable. Especially since if they're doing financing, it's going to probably take 30, 45 days for financing, for a prazer, for surveyors, surveyors right now are taking anywhere from three to four weeks alone to get a survey take. And now you can get them faster, but the majority of the people are probably three weeks out, two to four weeks out. Again, the commercial, a commercial purchase, you know, there's a little bit more than just purchasing a, as you know, going through a residential sales or loan, a little bit more paperwork for it. So again, you're probably looking at 30 to 45 days anyway. Plus we have to negotiate up here and approve it. So that's probably going to be 20, 30 days. So I think again, business wise, the norm for such things as 60 days, especially for business, because it's not you and I getting the kids and the dog and doing it on out. I tend to agree that 60 days would be a suggestion and it would fall in line with the timing of probably what would take place in the first place. And we can always ask for a 10%52 or whatever the magic number might be. From both of the businesses to make up for any, just to make up for anything. I don't know. Okay now, this is October. Okay, when are we going to put that building up for sale? I would not tell November. Mandy when are we looking at putting that building up for sale? I thought it was going to be immediately. I have to advertise. Andrew I think it's 45 is it 45 days? Two. 45 days? I think it's 45 days. Once I put the ad out to solicit offers for the property. But I haven't put that out yet because of this issue. I want to get a consensus from Council. Do you want me to go ahead and do that? I can do it right away. But with this request from RSA, I needed some direction from you all on whether or not you wanted to consider putting it off or considering and leaving it there or go ahead and advertise them immediately. Because the clock doesn't necessarily start December 31st. The clock could start 45 days for now. Let's say Optitel says December 1st, they'll buy the building. All right, so now we're obligated to honor the lease through December 31st. And now what we're getting ready to say here is another 60 days on top of that. That would, you know, that may not be palatable to the buyer. I still think 30 days based on where we're at in time, we can always extend it, but I believe we should err on the side of caution for the taxpayers. Okay, yeah, I'm gonna say something. Seems like there's a real big push. And so to get the building sold, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it sounds like you know somebody ready to buy the building and you wanna make sure that you can get them in there. Okay, we've done bend down that road. Okay, here's my other problem with, I'm glad you brought that up. Here's my other problem with this honorable business. I know, Tim, Councilman, whatever she did. She says, I use the words I know that he's working with somebody to sell that building. I have nothing to do with that building. No sales. I don't know. Anybody interested in it other than maybe Optatel. So that email that you got from her was an outright lie. And I am way okay with saying that because she used the words I know Tim is working with it okay So but I'm just wondering why it's like We started in six months why it's like It's got to be 30 days. I think the three of us are in agreement 60 days is fine and it's probably going to take 45 days to advertise the building to get a sale to get all the rest of the paperwork done probably by the first of the year and then they and if they know it's getting sold then then they can work at getting it done faster but it just seems like there's just like this push like we kind of get rid of this and I'm all for working with businesses. It's not a push to get rid of this. And I'm all for working with businesses. It's not a push to get rid of it. OK, what it is is it don't lose an opportunity for the taxpayers. The iron's hot. It's time to strike. And this is it. And anything that makes it deal more and cumberling can send it off the tracks. So I'm here to represent the majority of the taxpayers I'm not here to represent a special interest That is well said except I'm here to represent the majority of the taxpayers and I'm sure if we had 100 taxpayers in here and said would you Be interested in not selling the building and keep rainbows rings art there then most of that would probably say yes. You don't get to speculate none of us can speculate that. Mr. Mayor can we go back to? I think what we have done so far is we have expressed a majority of thought concerning this issue and our city clerk has asked for direction on what we would like to do as a council and of course we will make a firm an official decision in the council meeting. This is a workshop. But I think 60 days is advisable at this point in time under the circumstances and I have heard that from two other council members also. So we're here to try to provide a consensus to our city clerk as to where we wanna go on this particular issue. Man, do you understand what we've discussed? Okay, does anyone else have anything else to say about this? So this will just go and I'll agree with you. So this just simply goes up for about next week. Yeah, there you go. Right. I'm with you. We've discussed it and I think we pretty well worked it over. If anybody has anything else to say, I'm certainly not going to cut you off if you want to say something else. Sorry. Okay. Thank you, sir. All right. Well, then let's move on then to item 4B, Dunnell and Little League Youth Agreement, AGR2022-008. We want to speak on this issue. I thought they were supposed to be a representative to show up. They are going to be coming in on Wednesday. I'm sorry. I thought I had next week. Yes, I'm sorry I thought I had talked to that. My apologies. I'm sorry you could do that. No, I thought I think we, anyway. Shouldn't these things be worked out in a workshop? The council meeting is to basically go through the, I'm speaking please, the council meeting should basically be based on items that we've worked on out with the workshop agenda. Not pile up stuff on a council meeting that ought to be into a workshop. Thank you, Professor. This is the question. However, this wasn't a use agreement. He wasn't coming here to discuss this agreement. What he was coming here was to introduce himself, him to us, us for him, excuse me. I'd asked him for some facts about the little league, and then we were going to try and, you know, maybe give him some of our opinions. Yes, I would have preferred him to have come on a workshop, however his schedule was not where it could be on a workshop that was going to be on the City Council. So that was, I mean, I can't make somebody come when they can't do that schedule. Is there an objection by the Council for this to be considered from what Councilman Hancher has explained for it to be only a agenda for the Council meeting that we have this at our meeting? I would like it on the agenda, please. Thank you. Right. Yeah it on the agenda, please. Thank you. Right. I have a check. Sorry. Why we're on this. I would like to speak to it, though, since we are on the topic. Well, let me get through with this. Man, I think inviting the, you see the current president, Valerie? Yes, sir. Inviting the current president and Donald and a little lead to come to our council our regular council meeting next Wednesday is a good idea it's a good idea to become acquainted with this new administration at our little league that has served our city over 40 years and it's produced some of the most wonderful results for our kids there are many many kids that are now grown adults and even grandparents now that are bringing their grandkids out there that play little league in those fields. So I think asking the current president of this nonprofit, hardworking organization to come in and introduce himself and listen to what the council may have as far as questions he may be willing to answer is a good idea Does anybody have an objection to that Yes Recognize councilman I'm going to recognize Councilman. Here's what the issues are. Mr. Chair, I understand everything you're saying. However, there are agreements in place and there's agreements in place for a reason. So that people follow the rules and it's controlled. There's no safety risks, etc. What we have going on is we're receiving numerous complaints about the condition of the park in areas that the little league is possible to maintain. These are code violations and their breaches of the agreement and it must be maintained whether in season or out of season regardless of who the little league president is. The city also receives numerous complaints about safety risks to the children and residents and pets due to the speeding through their neighborhoods in Dunnell and Heights. The other item is Dunnell Heights roads were not designed to handle the amount of traffic that now goes to that ballpark. This traffic is destroying the residents roads and is costing Donnell and taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars per year to repair. We represent the citizens and taxpayers and it's their interest that must come before all others, especially when it comes to the safety of their neighborhoods. If these topics, these issues cannot get resolved, I think it's time to exercise the clauses in the agreement to terminate this agreement with the little league, before somebody is picking their child up out of the road out there. And that's what it's really about. I went out there myself last spring, all right, and took yes, just to see what it was. I'm thinking, you know, people overreacting, you know, what's going on so that I can see it. I was stunned, number one, by the amount of traffic, all right. The other thing is these people are literally flying down that road, you know, like it's, you know, I'm guessing late or whatever. But none of that's going to be a reason when somebody's picking their child up out of the middle of that road. But it's like it's because the little league, So, basically, we're just going to ignore all that stuff. So, basically, what I hear is because it's a little league, we're going to ignore the safety of the residents in Don Ellen Heights. We're going to ignore the concerns that the people in Don Ellen Heights have, and that's just not right. You know, I'm done, sir. Okay. If we have a problem and it's a safety item and it involves speeding or any kind of infraction in our city ordinances, regardless of whether it's the streets in Dunnellen Heights or anywhere else in this town, that's a law enforcement issue. And we're going to rely on our law enforcement and force the speed limits. The speed limit is 15 miles an hour. And on my particular street. And the sign is posted 15 miles an hour. Now, I'm not aware of every street sign and every speed limit within the subdivision, but I have lived there almost 17 years. And we do have a problem in San Mateo and we do have a problem on the approach road from San Jose, agreeable. And we need to curtail the speeding on those two streets. Those are the two main accesses into it. One of my property almost touches San Mateo. I'm right off the street from it. For many years I was the closest neighbor to the little league. And please try to look into it. I will get with the city clerk and the city attorney to verify that the studies have been done to verify the correct speed limit that's out there. Thank you, Chief. But it isn't. I lived there, as I said, for a long time. A little league has been there for around 40 years. So it didn't appear yesterday. And we still have about the same number of participants as we've had in the past. It has varied a little bit. Sometimes it's 377. Sometimes it's 340. That's for the main season. So it's basically the same, but it is an issue as far as speeding on those two streets. And we need to correct that as best we can. And I think the participation and inviting the President a little bit here to express that so that he can relay that to the membership, that we are going to clamp down on this feeding and that at least the department is going to take action to alleviate this issue. As far as speaking with them, the Little League would make a command and they could send us a schedule of games. So we know when parents are coming and things like that, you know, one's a busy times of the day. Well, these are some issues that we can discuss with him when he is here next week, and you'll have the opportunity also to work with him and discuss it with him also. Perfect. We will go over to that. I'll text him that he knows to bring that information. Awesome. Thank you. Because I presented this to him as this was a neat and greet and a that we would discuss that I did tell him that there was some worries on his feeders and he agreed that they sent, he's seen him go fast. So but it was definitely a a meeting greet and a let's get to know each other and how can we help you and how can you help us. Thank you sir. You have anything else on that too? No sir. Okay. Anybody else have anything else? Chad does. So let's move on. Mr. Mayor Chad does. Chad does. Well Chad, he's on on the early based on stuff. We have in the last month received nine, I believe complaints from parents because the condition of the ball field being un maintained. They were blaming the city. They actually talked to Tim and Andy, but they also threw the last few out of how does not maintain the property The roots in the field and their kids being hurt and the fields being covered in Sands first they had to pull their kids off the field because the grass and stuff was way steep and Somebody can just with them review the contract and stuff because all the parents were told that it's their job to maintain the field if their kids want to play on it. The parents were out there with push mowers and mowing the fields so their kids could play. So they were. Yeah, and that's what's always been. The parents have always been the one that maintained the field. That's always been, I mean when my husband was manager and the coaches and even on the boards they I was a widow a baseball widow from February until sir point of order. Well Chad. Chad is brought this up. Did you have a question? So I just let you know. No, but don't need to hear everybody's history. Well, Mr. Mayor, can I just attend? This is a business meeting. This is not your social club. All right, we're not interested in that you were a baseball widow. Sir. All right, Chad, can we start? Can we write violations for the code for the Mr. Mayor? Let's just stop and respond to that comment. Yes, you can respond. Thank you. You, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Mr. Mayor, I have the corn. I don't want snide remarks made in reference to me. I'm over it. There are bigger and more important things than Mr. anybody's up here. Personality against me. It's done, it's over, I will be extremely cordial to him, I will be extremely cordial to you, and I will be extremely cordial to Ron. We don't have to be best friends, we don't have to like each other, by the way, which I do like Tim, because I think he has a lot of great qualities, except for his character, assassination of me, and sir, I will take it, and I will smile, but I am going to lose my footing mind. And when I do, I apologize to the citizens of Denomenon, and I apologize to Tam for pushing my one button, one, two, mini. Is that acceptable to you, sir? Mr. Chair, I was talking to the mayor. May I see the book? Let me make this clear. I want no further references from one council member to the other concerning their comments on this bias. All comments made on this bias are equal. All council people on this biasus or equal. All council people on this dius are equal. I will not condone nor put up with anything other than that. When a comment is made by a member of this council, they have that right to make that comment without criticism from anyone else. And I will not put up with it. So from now on, what you've said, Councilwoman Hatcher, I agree with. We are gonna sit here and we're gonna conduct ourselves in the proper manner and we're not going to make any comments about any one other serving on this council. That will not happen to anybody else, have anything else to say? Yes we operate under Roberts rules as well we operate under okay point of order I'm allowed any council person is allowed to call point of order if a council person gets off and goes into their personal life or all of that stuff okay drags these meetings out point of order should absolutely be called all right that's what drags it out. It has nothing to do with the topic, et cetera. All right, so I will not be censored. Okay, if point of order is- Is- Is- Exercise. Yes, sir. I understand and you point of order will be considered. Thank you. Absolutely. But there will be no references as far as anyone's personal opinion of another council member or any interjection to suggest that You can bring anyone in the council can bring a point of order I will listen to it and we will and I will make a call on it and the council can turn it down or accept it if they so wish. As Roberts rules of order suggest when I make a ruling. But we are here to work together. We're not here to have a personal discussion about who is serving on the council and what's their purpose for being here. Council members have a right to make a statement and they can make that statement when it's their turn and I am not going to object to that. Did anybody else have anything else to say on this subject? I just want to say Mr. Mayor I fully agree with what you said and Councilwoman Hintchar I want to say thank you for what you were telling me about the baseball park because while we were discussing the problems of the overgrown weeds, I was thinking, who's gonna pay for this? Cause I know Chad's overworked and then when you explained to me about the parents had gotten to do that and that they have been taking care of it. Maybe that's the avenue and that's what we need to address. So I do wanna say thank you because I don't have a history but you brought your history forward which then gave me a chance to understand better of the situation. And personally I feel that there's been nights when I've sat here and I've listened to people talk about things and I like let's on, but we all have the right to speak, and that's basically what free speech is. If Mr. Mayor, I've never seen our mayor allow things to get out of control, and then I'm sure that it went on too long that Mr. Mayor would take the initiative and close it down. So I think really what you said about we do need to just move on and deal with today and treat each other with respect and dignity because it's going to be along two years if it's not. So, and we never know what tomorrow is going to bring. So let's just be nice and work for everybody. Okay, I got one more comment. We're not up here to be nice and get along, okay? It's not get along to go along. With Councilman Lehman just said, okay, so we're gonna go from hearsay from a council person. One of the things that pastors me the most of sitting up here is how people can sit up here. This little league agreement is on the agenda. You would think a responsible council person would read the little league agenda, would read the little league agreement and come up here prepared. But time after time, that's not what happens. We sit up here, we listen to somebody's hearsay up here, we take it for gospel and then we make decisions. When there's something on this agenda people are supposed to be coming in here prepared. If it's something about the agreement they need to be reading the agreement come in here and understand not listen to hearsay from somebody else. And I'm done with this object. Thank you. Thank you. Consumant ends keep. I just want to say thank you and I have to say for the most part, you're right. I did not read the agreement. I got back into town yesterday from the hurricane and I've been doing stuff at the house. But yes, I do need to pay more attention and read these things more thoroughly. And I do thank you for your comments. Is there anyone else like to speak on this issue? If not, so we'll move on. Okay, let's move on to item 4C. Stormwater Education for MS4 compliance. Who would like to speak on this issue? I will address this, Mayor. August 29th, we had DEP come and do a site visit to audit us for our storm order permit compliance. Chad and I spent the majority of the entire day with the auditor going through all of our documents that We are required to produce for that audit and it was very enlightening We have been a little negligent in doing some of the things that is required to maintain that permit and part of that is public outreach and education. So what this document is here, I will just read it into the record and this will meet our requirements for public education and bringing this to City Council and we will also begin together to talk about some other outreach efforts, such as some brochures that are particular to auto repair shops and restaurants that have to do with their grease disposal and that sort of thing. But this is just a short presentation to meet this requirement for our permit. The Public Services Department is responsible for maintaining and improving storm water management throughout the city to include swales, storm drains, drainage retention and water retention areas not maintained by the county or state and responding to flood emergencies to prevent future events and responding to and addressing citizen complaints or requests. In order to comply with the city storm water permit and MS4 reporting requirements, the city is required to distribute educational materials or conduct equivalent outreach activities about the adverse environmental impacts caused by polluted stormwater and the steps the public can take to reduce pollutants and stormwater runoff. In that effort, we have distributed illicit discharge and detection elimination brochures to tonight's meeting guests. They're actually out on the table. We would also like to provide some very basic information to Council and the public addressing illicit discharge into our storm drains. What is illicit discharge? Is any disposal emptying or dumping of any substance other than rainfall into the stormwater drainage system? Polluted entering theailing stormwater system do not flow to the water treatment plant. They empty into our local rivers and wetlands. Chemicals and nutrients become stormwater pollution as they are soaked up by the passing water. The stormwater pollution is harmful and can lead to algae blames resulting in inadequate oxygen levels and other impacts to fish and wildlife. In proper disposal of all-based paints, mineral spirits, pool chemicals, pesticides, or other home chemicals can pollute the Nellons sensitive environment. Did you know that used automobiles batteries and fluids can be returned to an auto parts shop? Stormwater runoff is rain. Stormwater runoff is rain that does not soak into the ground where it falls. This carries this water runs off yards, streets, and parking lots in storm sewers or waterways and carries a variety of pollutants, including fertilizers, yard waste, paint, gasoline, motor oil, pesticides, weed killer, pet waste, detergents, and soaps. These pollutants enter the storm drains and end up in our rainbow and with Lucicici rivers. Be sure to maintain a fertilizer-free zone around all storm drains and be sure that pet waste and yard clippings near storm drains are picked up and disposed of properly. Disposing cooking waste. Cooking oil and grease are waste that the sewer system cannot handle and should not be discarded down the sink. Dumped grease, fats, and oils can clog sewer lines causing sewage backup and flooding. Sewage backups can damage personal property, public property, and the surrounding environment. Do not dump cooking oil, poultry fat, and grease into the kitchen sink or in the toilet bowl. Do not use hot water and soap to wash grease down the sink because it will cool and harden in your pipes or in the sewer down the line. Do not place cooled cooking oil, poultry, and meat fats. And do place cooled cooking oil, poultry, and meat fats in sealed non-resuccubable containers and discard them with the irregular garbage. Use paper towels to wipe residual grease off oil or dishes. Pots and pans prior to washing them. Disposing pharmaceuticals, flushing medications down the toilet or throwing them in your trash can also be harmful to the environment. These pharmaceuticals can end up in our water system. Residents can dispose of properly expired prescriptions over the countermedications, needles and sharps by visiting the Denell and Police Department at 12014 South William Street or calling 352-465-8510. Water quality is important to improve and sustain our springs of waterways in Denellan and Marion County for future generations to enjoy. Keeping this ecosystem and fishery healthy is critical to protecting the quality of life of the community and wildlife, as well as our local economy. If you have any questions or to report a possible illicit discharge, please call the city of the Nellon at 352-465-8500-11, Extension 1102 or visit the city's website and select departments, public works, NPD, and stormwater compliance. And in addition to this, the brochure that I'll refer to is also published on the City's website. We have a stormwater page dedicated to stormwater compliance and you can find this page, this brochure out there and we do keep folded brochures in the stand here at City Hall for people that can pick up when they come in. Any questions on this issue? Everybody understand the points that the city clerk has brought up on this issue? Any input? Any moment? My question is, I understand, but how does this relate to the inspection we did? It was't audit. So what they do is they come in and they say, what events have you conducted outreach? Have you had employee training? Have you had council presentations? And we have to give them the dates and other handouts? And so this is the presentation that we need to start making on those lines to be compliant with. Right. We need to do this over here. Because Mandy, if I'm wrong about when we volunteered over at the the bike centennial for Mary and County, we handed out those types of papers. When we've done, we've volunteered over at the booths. We've done those volunteers. I remember handing them out. We have to help have done this in the past with everything with some of the turnover in here and at public works. We just haven't done this here. We haven't been so good about doing what we needed to do so we're getting back on track for sure. Perfect. I'm always happy to help. Everything else, really the only thing, the only thing that we were lacking was in the public outreach and education. Chad had all of his employee training records on stormwater management. Chad himself has his stormwater certification now. So we're just trying to catch up and get back on track so that our next audit will be a little bit easier You have anything to add to that The MS4 was kind of surprised us so we kind of laughed on that so I think we're getting everything in line We're cheap got list of compliant stuff. We need to do and We're going along with that. So we'll be compliant next time and everything's out of the way. Anyone else have anything else to say about this? Good job. OK, we'll move on to item 4D, vacation rental registration fees. Who wants to address this one? Is this yours, Rob? Is this yours? Who's the mayor? I put this on the agenda so that we could start to discuss what direction we're going for a fee for annual registration and renewal. If we are goal is to start enforcing this ordinance January 1st, then I'm going to need to bring before you a resolution establishing those fees. And we have not clearly decided on what that should be, but I believe Andrew can speak to that. The fee should be directly correlated to whatever costs staff would incur as far as making sure the registration occurs. So if there are certain amounts of staff time, they're going to be dedicated to it. If there are implementation, if there is software purchase and so forth, then that would be part of the registration fee. The fee has to be reasonable and it has to be directly related to whatever is incurred. Forecasted to be incurred. With that, Manny, do you think you could come to before council with a recommendation? Yes, sir. I can run some numbers on staff time and estimate what kind of staff time it's gonna take to process of registration and I can bring you a resolution. Mr. Mayor, I would like to ask you. Andrew, do you have a town of our size that you've worked with that has something already in place just for a ballpark? I have a number in my mind and I'm just pondering. No, because every community is quite different. A lot of our communities on the East Coast had already had regulations in place, so it was such a massive issue years and years and years ago, so they're preemptive from it. There are some communities I think that are very good to take a look at, Jack's beach, with Jacksonville area down, both seaboard and down the western seaboard as well. And so there's certainly a number of models out there, but those fees are dependent upon what they've, you know, what they've actually done to, and what staff is incurring. So as for the size, it just depends on what's automated versus how much staff is being used. And of course, it depends on salaries for staff, which vary widely depending on communities, even with size. Certainly a lot of the communities on the coast have very different salaries than some of the cities in there. So it really would be difficult to say, but it's not rocket science and arriving at a particular number based on the dedicated needs of staff here. That said, maybe off for the first year can always be adjusted in the future if these are forecasted to be too higher and to be too low. So are we allowed to make a profit? And I don't mean profit, but I mean, well, I guess I didn't mean profit, but I mean, well, I guess I didn't mean profit. No, the idea is not to have a windfall. It's to have a, I would say think of it as sort of like an impact feed, to have a rational basis for what's being charged, because you can't get down to the penny. And so, you know, there may be some money that comes in, a little bit over, it doesn't mean there has to be a refund, but they have to be reasonable and defensible and based on real expectations of how much the cost is going to be to implement the program. Okay, thank you, sir. Anybody else having anything to say on this one? Yes, sir. Yep, can I go here? Could we include, could we get quotes for software? We were thinking before that maybe we didn't want to go through the cost of software because when it was in front of the legislature, the max we were going to be able to charge before it got vetoed was $150. So at $150, we weren't looking at spending. We were going to try to do it on our own with our own staff. But now that that's not the case, I think we should take a look at the software and to lessen the burden on staff to follow this. We did get a few quotes already and we can reach back out to those vendors and ask them for updated quotes. Cool, thank you. That shouldn't take much time to do that. Cool. I thought one of our programs would, maybe I'm thinking about what you're saying is that we looked at a program. I thought maybe we had one of the finance programs that would be able to do that. Well, granted because granted can do it, but it takes up, we have to purchase that module. Yeah, it was okay. Sorry. When we went to the new website and the new agenda meeting management, okay. This is a module that they also, is that what I'm thinking, okay. Yeah, and that's what they quoted us on. So that would be, thank you, under that same umbrella, unless we were to find another vendor that perhaps we like their software better or it was less expensive. That's the one that comes to mind that we looked at. I don't recall the other one. Do you remember what the quote to the software was? No, sir. We're running about $14,000. Right. Yeah, per year. So we would have to pass on $14,000 to basically, I think we figured out there's like, I forget, it wasn't a great number so we would be passing that on to those people. Right. If we make the assumption there's 40 STRs in city, right, in that number, then the total of everything, including the software, would be divided by that number and then that would be the registration fee. Because we don't want the taxpayers to have to pick it up. Well, I fully agree with that. And I fully agree with now. Do you mean the software to keep track of the short-term rentals or the software to process the registration? All the above. I'm just trying to think of what 14,000 divided by 40. You know, it would be charging down the next or $350 a year to. Well, that would only be software now. What? That would only be the software portion. Right. Plus the registration. So we're looking at $500 a year. So it's. I'm just wondering what other. I know the. I know the staff if if it did the work and it cut the staff's work, but I guess my question is is it if we have this software that finds out how many short term runels and I'm not I'm not against this I'm not against short term runels or registration but it's $14,000 for information that basically is of no use. We can say, okay, we know exactly how many we've got, but it's not going to be of real pertinent use. And my question is, and again, I'm not against it, but if the cost was a little more reasonable, I would say fine, but what do What differences that is gonna happen tomorrow if we know for fact for a fact that there's 47 short-term rentals in Dennell and instead of 40 And but for that extra seven people We're gonna charge each one of the other short short term rental people and extra $350 a year. So that's, I put it in the perspective of what I want this done to me. So I'm kind of a leery of it. Well, I think what it does is on that aspect, now, when the staff takes a look and, man, get software quotes, we'll see what all it does. Okay, besides just identify short term rentals. But in the fairness of a short term rental owner, we don't want to make an assumption that it's 30, okay? And then only the 30 that are abiding by the law that have registered with the state. Was it DEP? Whoever they have to register with. Now we have only 30 people picking that up when there might be 50 or 55 out there. So to come with to a fair basis, I think that this would, you know, and it connects to dots for us, how'd you get to this number? We got to this number, dividing it by that. You know, now the first year before we get to software, like Andrew said, we may be high, we may be coming in low. And then the year after, based on whatever the software says, we adjust accordingly, and then it's off fair. There's not people out there that are not that we don't know about that are still ridding their homes out as, or ridding their properties out as STRs, but the other people are picking up the bill for it. Andrew and Jan, but what is one thing I would advise council about again, these are for registration, not for enforcement, as far as fees go. It's just something to keep in mind and as far as software costs and whatever else, I think that there are a lot of options out there. One of the things to look at is there's a question I could answer about similar communities is to look at these communities, what they've implemented, and it's important for D'Nellan, I think, especially from what we've seen happen in the legal world, and I won't even go into it. I don't want to talk about it with some of these, just what I don't want to talk about it, because it's off the subject, but off the topic that's for discussion tonight. But we want to make sure that everything is in the realm of a reasonable range and that the Nellon has and normal sort of fee because certainly, and Council's not discussing this, but certainly there are options that are available that would be prohibitively expensive and then could be purchased and that would be prohibitively expensive and then could be purchased and that would make up a number really created a number I think that would be completely out of line of the norm and so again it's just reasonability staying within that reasonable range and whether to know is on high and the low end or right along that line that's fine it's just staying within that range and looking at options that keep the city within that realm. Thank you. Anything? Man, is that what you need, what we've discussed? So what we're doing is we're gonna go ahead at January one with a rate based on estimated staff time then look into the software and see if we want to implement that at some point in the future, not that we want to have software ready to go January 1st, I don't see that happening. I would think we want to listen to your recommendations of what you really need to accomplish to go. And I think that's something, when we can suggest what we think are good ideas, but ultimately we want to hear what your suggestions are because you're the one that's going to be managing it. You know, putting the thing together. You do the research, I think it would make sense to hear what you have to say about it. I do have a company that's interested in the city's business who will handle the entire program. I'll give Mandy the contact information. They're the same company that is currently doing a revenue on it for the city. It's something to look at because it takes all the work off of staff. They monitor, not sure what the site is as far as knowing what rentals are available, that they're not paying the city the registration fee. In other words, compliance, they monitor compliance as well as I believe they actually handle the collections. So it's something that maybe, you know, maybe could be considered rather than purchasing software. So I'll give me any of the contact information. Okay, thanks, Dan. But I've been approached several times. Okay, well, then we'll leave it up to you, Manid. You know, with this research, you try to come up with a suggestion that you think makes sense. I think that's the best thing. And we'll see where we go. Okay. How long do we think it's going to be before we actually start assuming, say I could tonight, if we said $150, when we would actually start the registration? We're looking at January 1. Let's hope we decided all decided last meeting. So if we started January 1, could I think that maybe a good thing to do would be to look at where we're at June 30th. See how many registrations we've got and then decide if there really is a problem. If most of the stuff that we can identify is what's registering, but just so we have an idea of what we're missing. If you follow what I'm saying, because if we don't have a list of who all's got them, then we'll get an idea of who's gonna actually follow the ordinance and register for the first six months. And then we can have a better database to make a better decision on what we want to spend. Because my issue with the whole thing is we find out how many SDRs we got, but we're not making money of it. We're not other than for the census as Jan says, and the property taxes that it's just where is it leading to? I don't see it. We're not losing money from short-term rentals. It's not costing us money. So. Right, but if, again, I go back to, if only 30 are following the law and it's signed up with the state, that's what's going on. Like many of the STRs, I'm going to say it was way over 50%. When we first got into this whole STR thing, they were registered with the state. Then when this whole STR thing took place and all the national teeth and the planning meetings and everything else from both sides, now all of a sudden these STRs registered with the state because they kind of told on themselves. All right. And that's where I'm going back to the people that are following the law, okay, and are registering with the state. They shouldn't be having to pay more burden. They're going to pay a higher price because of those that will not. And we know that this has already happened. What we don't know is how many are still doing that within the city that haven't registered within the state. And that's what this software does. It goes out and does that. Use Crystal River for an example. the River started out where they had one of their staff members taking that on. Okay, and on one side of the river, same zip code, Chris the River doesn't allow because they got weighed in front of the legislators, doesn't allow short term rentals. On the other side of the river, they do. So this one person is trying to go in there, read ads and do all that, trying to look, trying to find them by zip code, and then it just became so cumbersome that they ended up going to software. Okay, I understand. I mean, it's to make it fair for the people that are following the law. Otherwise, they're going to be paying the burden for those that are not that are staying under the radar. I do follow the logic. My only question is, is that if we look and found out how many there actually were in reference to what's going to be on the agenda tonight, could we look at implementing some kind of impact feed because the more people who come in and use the facilities, the roads are going to wear out, whereas you might not leave your house for a day or. No, I'm following you, but just cut the chase. What's the term? A family of six. Make about on six trips. Well, in impact, people will be part of of the study and it's essentially for new growth coming in. So, presumably at this point in time, all those businesses and so, and there are, to answer the question, really, an impact fee is not going to be appropriate tool to assess that. Now, when an impact fee study is done, that will capture, hey, this is all that's going on in a residential neighborhood and this is the traffic that is being generated by certain neighborhoods. So in other words, it will cover some of those concerns, but it's not going to be predicated on the fact of, okay, we have vacation rentals. It won't be one of the focal elements of the study. It's only for new growth, new residences coming in, but for proportion of new residences will have a component where they add additional short-term rentals so that'll be part of You know traffic unit studies and implemented in that in a very In-depth study So that's one of the criteria that's considered by the professional so that's when they they're having discussions with staff, but what's going on in this community that's one thing to bring off, yes. But it won't address current existing homes, any homes that currently exist within the city. One of my points is that I've been talking with the chief is that the more people who come in using it, the turnover people, those are going to require and sometimes more police services. So that's why I was saying, if we did have an idea, could the police then use that as a way to justify a bigger budget because we're going to have to absorb the cost, but as we get more of these kind of people in, I don't mean a derogatory, these kind of people, I will say, pickationers. Well, again, impact, these are tactics growth. Right. But if there are more law enforcement needs that are generated for any number of reasons, that's part of general revenue that comes in as part of taxation. And I, you're talking about passing the fees on and so forth, that becomes more difficult to do because a number of things are tagged to increase increase costs as a community essentially grows and there's more than one kind of growth, right? It's not just growth as far as expansion, real property wise, but growth and economic activity, growth in a number of areas. So, I mean, that's just a matter of the city's finances and you know would be dealt with from a number of different angles. We currently have an impact fee for police. We currently impose that. Okay. Anyone else have anything on this issue? All right. We'll move on into regular agenda items. 5A amendment number six to agreement AGR 209, issue three, Powell and Joan CPAs. Jan? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council, this is the last year of the year auditors contract for the most recent fiscal year that has just ended. They'll be starting their audit sometime the middle of December. And we've been given a proposal to extend their contract for an additional three years, which is what I've presented to you. The fee would increase $1,000 per year. There is a new requirement that there could be a standalone CRA audit that is required and that's based on the CRA expenses at the end of the year if they had to meet a certain threshold. I'm sorry, either revenues or expenses. So you could be paying an additional fee for a standalone CRA audit and that's required by the auditor general. And they are interested in continuing their relationship with the city, which they've enjoyed for since 2009. Staff has had an excellent working relationship with them. Of course, they don't work for staff, they work for you. And they are available at any time during the year for any questions. I've used them multiple times over these past years. Minimal impact to staff outside of the finance department, which when I first came here, the audit firm impacted every single department and had them prepare multiple schedules, and it was quite an ordeal, year and ordeal. So staff is requesting that you authorize the mayor to execute one more amendment for Palin Jones. Is there any questions for Jane on this? Any comments? and omniscient any comments. Jen, have you heard what other firms of this that that worked with us would kind of be of, and I would resist that then the range that I can't tell you? OK. Did you have the firm that when I came on board was hourly? It was very expensive hourly. This firm came in at a fixed price. I can only say that I believe fixed price is the way to go. But no, I have no knowledge of what other firms charge. You would need to go out for RFP. That is a major process. We would have to issue an RFP. Council would have to establish an audit committee to review the audit fees. Staff cannot be a part of that audit committee. I believe a council member can. One council member can. Otherwise, it would be a committee of professionals that of your choosing. I know Brenda Darville was on the audit committee for that's helped select Pollen Jones and the late Dan Warkowski was the council member. Nikki Connors, who was a former council member, she was on that committee at the time. She wasn't a council member at the time I Think those were the only three. I don't think there's a firm number that you have to establish So it is it is a process that's one reason why they're presenting this so early because Audit firms will will book up real quick even for the next year audit. So if that's the way you want to go, I know RFP would need to be issued very, very soon. Do you mind fast, Shanna? Did you remember what the auditors charged? It's based upon the work that they have to do. Obviously working for the county, it was a lot larger, which they also did all the separate left and officials. I know I've worked with county governments when I was here previously, as well as there was two different auto firms that I work with, I will have to say, Illinois is very easy to work with. They, like Jan mentioned, know as far as interrupting departments. Yes, they are very good in interrupting departments when they choose to, like, you know, volunteer to strike, to keep like, you know, volunteer and strives to keep everything, you know, but the other thing is they are familiar with the books, you know, obviously the cost for the event is going to be so. Thank you. And one other comment, if you do decide to go with a new firm, it will take the new firm approximately two years to really learn the city's books. So you're looking at, especially with the changing of the guard, that may be something that you want to consider in the future if you don't want to consider it now. Just some food for thought. Well, that was my other comment, and then I'll let anybody else talk, is that it would be nice to have someone who's familiar with the books, while you're not there, but not there for us. So I'm in favor of continuing for consistency, especially for Shauna's and for our benefit as well. So all right, thank you. Anybody having a comment? Yes, sir. Jan, you mentioned possible extra fees for CRA. It sounds like it depends on a threshold. Yes. What is that threshold? I believe it's $100,000. And do we meet what space are we in now? Are we in the space where we would pay extra? And we would end up most likely paying extra. And do we know what that? It would be, I believe it's $4,000. Give me one second. Oh no, I'm sorry, that's the federal single audit. It would be an additional $2,000. OK. And we did pay that last year. So that's not something new. It's not something new. It's fairly new to the auditor general. So it's new within the last few years that this is required. So you just said $2,000. So is that the same figure as last year? So that's not going out. That's not going out. OK, gotcha. And then single audit. Well, with the ARPA project, you could get involved in a federal single audit for next year. The single audit threshold is expenses over 750,000. But this is something that would be budgeted because we pay after the fact we would most likely know if we're entering single audit territory and be able to budget it for 25 26 fiscal year Okay, yeah, and what kind of You have any idea what kind of number we're talking there? $4,000. Oh got you. Okay, got you. That's what it's okay Because I don't unless you get a state grant that's gonna push over the threshold. We only have the upper grant rate. Right. Okay. My only other comment is when I took a look at it, it's roughly a 5% increase of year, 15% over the three-year term. My opinion is I think 3% per year would be a reasonable number. And I don't know if it's negotiating or if that's it, and they're gone. All I can do is take it back to them and see what they say. So what would that number be? Sorry, I'm not doing them now. So right now it's $1,000 extra per year. Right. So $19,750. $570. Look, yeah, $6,000. 750, 570. I'll take this back to them and see. Can I break it down to 1% to see what the percents look like? 15% over 3% sound sigh. 5% per year sound sigh. I just think 3% is more reasonable. It's 570. I just need direction from council. Great. What we were just talking about, you missed this point. There is a point where we're there asking for 5% per year for increase in the new agreement. And what Vice Mayor Minsk keep was bringing up that he feels like a 3% increase would be more in line with what he would think would be a good idea versus the 5% in other words, he's second he's questioning the increase that possibly it could be lower if it would be an opportunity for it to be lower without going into another firm. We don't know that without asking. Without asking. Does council have a problem with Jan going ahead with that? As long as that's yeah I think. All right we have a consensus if you Jan you back that and see, it's not going to do any harm to ask. No, not at all. Not at all. And we don't ask, and maybe we should ask for something. So I'll come back Monday with a response as long as the hurricane doesn't print them for answering. You talking about for the next Wednesday's meeting? I'm still on schedule. I know. I thought you were on that, but you're talking about you'll have something to disclose to us at the meeting next Wednesday. Has that agree with the council? Okay, thanks Jan. That's good. All right. Anybody else have any questions or concerns about this piling, Jones? All right. Then let's go on to five B historic board appointments. Yes, Mr. Mayor. The historic board we have a few changes. Wilton Martins term expired on January 22nd, 2024. Mr. Martin is eligible for real appointment and he wishes to continue as a full member. Upon consideration, it's a successful motion to approve real point. Mr. Martin is to a full member on the historic preservation board for three-year term. And that will be effective from January 22nd, 2024 through January 22nd, 2027. Any discussion on this? No. Appreciate him volunteering. Yes. We also, I had a long conversation, really nice conversation with Ms. Jane Keele. Her term expires on November 8th, 2024. She has decided to submit her resignation. She had a nice conversation with me, a little background about how long she's been with the city, how long she's volunteer time. Also, there's some research and found a lot of historic records. So she gave me great history, which was real valuable. So she has decided and had declined to be real pointed. And that will go effective when her term expires on November 8th. So we do have an alternate Miss Angie Roser. She is the first alternate. And I had conversations with her. I need to follow back up with her, but she did let me know that she was interested in being that fifth member to assume that position on the historic preservation board moving from an alternate to a full member. I just need to reconnect with her again and make sure because the hurricane in the last one got in the middle, having a follow back up with her yet. So make sure she still wants to do that, and I'll have that definite answer for you for next week's council meeting. Any questions or concerns for wrong? No, I appreciate you reaching out to them personally and talking to them, but can we do something for Miss Keel perhaps in November to recognize her for her long term volunteering? Yes, certificate or something? That'd be acceptable, Mr. Mayor. Absolutely. As far as I'm concerned, as a member of the council, absolutely. Yes, sir. She has donated her time and efforts to this community for decades. I don't even want to embarrass her. I know she's over 90. Well, she's only 21. Yes, she's, well, excuse me. We'll go back to the 21. But Janey Keel and her husband have done a great deal for our community. And I'm sure you've got a good chance to listen. Absolutely. We spent probably an hour together. Yeah, that's the best time. Yeah. Well, I always enjoy my time, whether I share it or she's been a stalwart in this community and who she and Charlie both yes amen oh anybody else on that issue I'm ready for that one all right let's move on in to item number five C disposal of surface property in response to bid BID 2024-105 for Chestnut Street lot. Who wants to take this one on? I will. Okay, Manny. On April 10, 2024, Council passed resolution 2024-15, allowing for the disposal of property located at the corner of Ohio and Chestnut streets, Mary County, parcel ID number 3380, 135900. Council for the Director of Staff to advertise and solicit offers the sale of this property in accordance with chapter 163384 statutes. One offer was received from the practical behavioral solutions on set to number 16 in the amount of 25,000. The assessed market value of the property, by the Marion County Property Appraisers, is $24,116. The surplus property is adjacent to practical behavioral solutions, and they currently utilize it for needed parking. A special CRA meeting must be held in order for the CRA board to propose a motion as follows. So what I would like to ask is that we hold a special CRA meeting next Wednesday at 5 o'clock prior to your regular council meeting so that the CRA Board can recommend accepting the offer to the City Council and then you as the City Council would have to then accept the offer. And the motion for the CRA Board would be in accordance with and having considered the criteria set forth in 163382. For the statutes I'm going to recommend that City Council accept the offer submitted by practical behavioral solutions in the amount of $25,000 in response to bid number 20405 for surplus property identified as parcel number 2380135900 by the Mary County property appraiser and authorized preparation of the closing documents. And that as far as the closing documents, turn your hand said that if the, well, you say it, Andrea, you say it back in the eye can. Sure, as far as closing documents, those would be usually the city requests that the purchaser pay the closing costs and tradition is that as you well know, if the purchaser pays for the closing costs, they say the title company, ultimately the title company prepares those, so the title company prepares those documents, I review them. And so costs are all incurred by the purchaser. Finance a review from the city side. Any questions on this issue? I just have a comment and clarification. When we put this property up for sale, the value on the tax website was 24116. Now the value is 31581. Myself, I have just a clarification. I am well good with the $25,000 offer myself. But the only reason I'm saying that is to clarify the 2024 numbers are out now for tax values and but Like I said, I have no issue with the 25,000 proposal the only other comment I have I can't see this taken more than five minutes can we just Add it to the regular council meeting have a CRA special meeting at 530 and then at 535 you went to the regular council meeting. Have a CRA special meeting at 5.30 and in at 5.35, you went to the council meeting. Sure. Okay. We knew that. I like that idea. Also, is anybody having an objection of that? It's only one item that we have. I don't think Ron correct me if I'm wrong. Do you have anything else? CRA related that you need to come before the board, as far as grants or anything like that? No, not at this time. Remorsements, okay. So yeah, we'll just have it at 5.30. Open that meeting, have it quit, close it and open the workshop. Okay, that's a good idea. Is that a dish like a feed here? Buyers like that. We don't have any milk for you, so. If I ask. I mean, we could. We give them a round of applause. Let me clarify one thing with Andrew because this was discussed with him about there being it has to be a reasonable offer based on the property value, Andrew. Ultimately, the governing board, the governing board being City Council has a wide, heavy discretion as to how to dispose of the property. Don't have to accept any offers, these aren't bids. You don't have to take the highest and best offer. Right now you only have one offer, but you can impose certain strengths on it, in line with whatever is within the CRA plan, there are certain things that can be done. If there is a situation where the value of such property is supposed for less than fair value. Of course, what is fair value is subject to debate. Then that has to be the decision has to be made by the governing body at a duly noticed public hearing. So there just is that public hearing requirement and this is already something that's been advertised. You can just put that out. I can talk to Mandy and make sure that there aren't any additional requirements for ads. I don't believe there are at this time based on information, but I can do a review of that and make sure that the city checks off all the boxes. And I'm pretty sure when we voted on it and we sent out the we asked for bids at that time the 24k was what was in place on the website. My only question on that is I know that we have problems in the parking now on Walnut Street the next street down because of the rain water system are any of those people using that parking lot and would they be allowed would they be willing to let other people park in it so we don't compromise the parking situation down down myself and Chad can speak to him more he's out there way more but we've been out there many times due to different issues. And we haven't seen anybody other than the school use it and the school fills it right up. Okay. You mean the practical behavior solutions? Yes, sir. Okay. And they're good neighbors. Take what the church used it, whatever we had extra things. So they're good neighbors. Any other questions or concerns on this? Okay, then we'll move on to 5D agreement. AGR2024-26, L.L.C. law enforcement policy manual. And I see our captain coming forward. I presume he's going to speak on this issue. Yeah, you see for your supporting documents, this is we back and honestly we spoke about this. This conversation came place and we came forward with three vendors that met the criteria that we set up for. Obviously, to public, legally, the principal policy customized to the police department for Denomen. Obviously, policies that would align with accreditation agencies for law enforcement and provide continued updated support and tracking for training on policies and procedures that were required for. So in that criteria, we went out, we looked at those, we presented those in August. Lexipole was the primary vendor and for a total cost of $25,852. Now, the portion of that, the $17,000 would be a one-time fee for the policy manual working as a partner to get that published. And then there was a, the remaining balance of that, I think it's like $5,000. That would be an annual fee that provides the computer-based learning or training because obviously we have to show the documentation of the continued training and updating of those policies. When we look at a policy that's made for the police department, obviously we have to make sure that it's compliant with Wagenauer. We also have a labor agreement, but then we also have things that we do for police policy that we have to make sure that it's compliant federally, state, and then locally. And those can change month to month because case law is created. So with them, we have an additional oversight to make sure that we're on top of that and that our officers are trained on that. So this, so this what, nothing to interrupt your own do you find? So what this does is place us in compliance with the best practices that we need for our police department. Yes, sir. And so what I was asking at the Council after we reviewed this is in the next Wednesday is to be able to go ahead and start the process, allowing the mayor to sign the contract and move forward with it. These funds were put into the budget. Okay, any questions, concerns? Just for a quick, the $5,000 is that good for one year too? I mean, I know it's a reoccurring. It would be a reoccurring thing. But is there a, is it gonna be for five years it's set at 5,000 or is it gonna be, it could go up 5%, 10% every year? There should not be as long as we remain a customer with them there was there's no every year correct because they already done we've already paid the bulk up front and created the document now it's just the maintenance of that thank you good question thank you Thank you. Good question. Thank you. And again, do you have a question? I didn't mean to pass you a break, did you hear? No, I can't go back. Okay, so the initial is roughly 26K, correct? Yeah. Okay, and then what is it per year after that? After that is, if you look at that. I'm looking at 19110. What's that? I'm looking at 19 110 Mm-hmm. What's that? I'm looking at 19,000 110 Yeah, oh, I'm looking at it 8,300 subscription 8380 Okay. Okay. Got it. So 26 initially, 8338 after there. We covered that to get everything started and then that would be the annual fee. Gotcha. And I think we spoke before. Year one, we're going to pay the 25852 plus. No. Okay. Gotcha. That's why it's going to be a little bit more expensive. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. I think we spoke before year one we're going to pay the 258 52 plus Okay, got you that's why I just want to clarify. Okay, got you. Okay. Thank you We put this on the consensus agenda Like that I would too yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna consent Yes sir. Yeah. We're all in consent agenda, ma'am. Thank you council. Okay. All right. Let's see here now. All right. Number six. Staff agenda items. Six A impact fees. Jan spent finance officer. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council had asked staff to come back with basically how do you impose, what are the steps to impose impact fees? We had a conversation with Joe Williams of Rafftellus financial consultants. They're the firm that assisted the city with the creation of the impact fee for the police department. Four steps, you have to have council meetings to decide what the needs are and develop a capital improvement plan. Like you have spoken about before. You need to hire a consultant. The consultant will provide the required steps that are needed to even include public hearings. It is absolutely imperative to hire a consultant so that you ensure that these fees that are developed will be defensible in a court of law. The consultant will review the completed study with council and you'll need an ordinance to adopt the fee. Impact fees are to accommodate new developments and should be reflected in a capital plan. Um, we can collect transportation impact fees even though the county already does. If infrastructure is impacted by new development, meaning you need new new roads, new turn lanes, you've got to increase your infrastructure. Um, and you can also impose the development agreement that any new roads are the responsibility of the developer. One main point impact fees cannot be used for maintenance of roads. And they need to be refunded within 10 years after collection if they're not spent. So basically those are the steps you all need to take. So this kind of goes hand in hand with your development of your long term capital improvement plan. Thank you, ma'am. Questions? Concerned? Anything? You have anything on that hand? No sir. Okay, thank you Jan. You got by E the on that one. Resolutions item number seven, seven, eight, resolution RES 2024-32, surplus equipment. Ch's at you. Sir plus equipment is that you? I believe that's the mowers. Seven eight. We have this one is like I'll take it. I'll just just like seeing you. Here's right one. I was like, you need to turn around. We have electronics that we're wanting to surplus through technology conservation grid. We have miscellaneous office supplies that will be declared in the Sposa via Weeks. And two moors in our trailer shall be disposed of through the sealed bid process. Rather than taking those two weeks, Chad feels like he can get more money from them for them through a sealed bid process. And then here's the list of electronic equipment. I know you can't see it. Yeah, it's a new one. Missilinus office equipment, old keyboards and stuff that's just been shoved and closed, we've just been clean and house here. Can I add some of my stuff? Oh, it is a lot of that. And then we have the two zero turns and a triple crown trailer. And we did discuss Chad, maybe when we put this out for sealed beds just a minimum bed you said what 8000 for the mowers in the trailer. Correct. Minimum bit of 8000 for the mowers in the trailer. Each or as a package. As a package. It's a package deal. I don't think so. I think. Yeah. I'll have to rely on your expertise. Questions, concerns? That was the stolen, was that the stolen stuff? So will we about break even then on what we had to pay for that if we can get the money back? No. Okay, it's one of the stolen mollars and the monobar over the oldest motor we have. Since we did recover the John Deere and it was new month old when I took that. We had that done, we're going to keep that motor and we'll get rid of our oldest motor we had plus the one that was stolen. Any questions, concerns? All right, well then we'll move on. How about that, Glen? Agenda item, let's see here. With the declared emergencies, myself I think it's reasonable that makeup hours are required for the time off during storm events. The amount of production that's being lost's fairly significant. And when I go through my mind, I'm like, OK, if I pay for somebody to pay my driveway, storm comes in. Naturally, they're going to call up, say, hey, we're not going to do your driveway because we've got a storm coming in. OK, that makes sense. And then I say, OK, well, when are you going to reschedule it? Well, we're not, okay? Oh, you're going to give me my money back. No, we're not. And you got to remember, these are production hours that the taxpayers have prepaid for. And I'll leave it at that. Okay, anyone else have a comment on it? Yeah, I had a comment on it? Yeah, I don't have a comment on that. I think that I don't really see it as an issue. And one thing that I can say is that when you take this week an example, it's like we're discussing maybe six hours pay. But if we do get a good storm with a lot of damage, Chad, you're not, am I right? You're not only going to have to clean up the storm damage, but you're going to have to do your regular work. So your pace is going to have to pick up a whole lot more. And the people in the office, there's probably going to be permits and stuff like that. And this is not meant as a slur, but they have a pace around here. Then Alan has a pay. So I'm sure that the office will be doing three to four times of work during the day. So when I look at the question of am I willing to give up six hours pay or eight hours pay for a storm? I don't have a problem with it because I know one set storm comes. The people that actually do the work are going to, and if it's serious, are going to end up doing two to three times more work. And if you're going to say if we have to go after them for the loss production, then if they come in and say, well, we normally handle this, but now we're handling this, can we get double the pay? Would you be willing to do that? We already deploy your manuals, specifies the pay. So if we have a storm and they have to come in and they have to work overtime, they get paid overtime. But I'm not asking about overtime. I'm talking about regular time because they're not going to be able to work at the same leisurely pace. They're going to be going from one to the other. And yes, they may get some overtime. So I think that we're really nitpicking on a problem that is nothing and having dealt with emergencies in Miami with hurricanes and Irma, everybody's going to be doing a lot more work and that's just my feeling. Now just for the math, the first storm was 130 loss production hours. Okay. Okay, the last storm was it didn't do the math on that one, but it would be six times 13 because I don't include the police force. They were on a totally different schedule. All right, so it starts building up to add to the fact can anybody up here tell me before we even talk about vacation. Okay. How many days off the general employees? And I don't mean get by, they shouldn't get them, by all means. You know, I'm not looking. When somebody comes and takes a job, they say, I'm willing to do this, and the company is willing to do this, and they make an agreement. And that is, that is solid. But so I don't mean any of this in a negative way whatsoever. But when we're talking about production in this city, can anybody up here tell me how many days off each individual has, okay? Then multiply that times 13 hour wise before we are not including vacation. Can anybody up here answer that question? Okay, the number is 25. All right, so what we're getting into is at what point when we bring in storms, okay? Production has to be done, all right? And again, we're running a business up here. At some point, got to put an emotional shield between ourselves and our emotions. And, you know, there has to be productivity. I understand that. Okay, that's all I got. I understand, but I also understand that after the storm, that there's going to be a lot of extra work and it looks like this it might be a lot of extra work. We thought that about the first one, we thought that about the last one. Okay. Mr. Mayor. A, this is a new point. There is no agency that I had been able to find. The state of Florida, the Georgia, talks to people there. That require during an emergency and after the emergency for staff to make up time during an emergency. Businesses talk to huge corporations HR. Again. Point of order, Mr. Mayor. This is all speculation. I come from the private world. If we didn't show up, we did not get paid. All right, so to speculate on this is just a waste of time. I'm good. If the other three members don't want it. Let him finish his statement and then move. He interrupted because point of order. It says in speculative. This is what I found. I'm not sure if you want to go into the private world because it is simply that. It is simply hearsay. If you don't want to do it, the answer is no. Leave it at that. Anyway, back to my story. Thank you, sir. Remind me. I will never ever. So anyway, back to my story. And thank you, Sarah, for reminding me. I will never ever vote to have any employee make up work, because let me inform you. I can tell you right now, Mandy will have her phone on by her head for 24 hours. Michelle will, Chad, and the rest of our staff are in call 24 hours during these emergencies. They are out there after the emergency, assessing, and they don't care if it's on Wednesday. They don't care if it's on Saturday. Storms do not pick work days or weekends for us to be convenient. So it's a new point, sir, and I really wish we'd just feel with the meeting. Okay, did you have anything to add? Any time there's an emergency, the world continues to turn. The public does not see what goes on behind the scenes. They don't know how many times the phone is answered on an off day. They don't know how many times an employee comes in with 580 emails to sit down and try to go through. We just recently had that occur. So the world continues to turn. And our employees are dedicated to serve these citizens in this town. Whether it's as Valerie pointed out in Tim would agree to whether it's Sunday, Saturday, when there's an emergency and there's a need to step up and answer them a request. I have never had a problem since I've been in office and even the four years I served before would get a response any time of the day or night. I've always gotten a response. Those people are the ones that keep the wheels turning and I appreciate them as the police do too. So we're a team and sometimes it's a little less and sometimes it's a whole lot more obligation to do what's best for the city. So I think it balances out when you're a public servant, you work for a city. I don't think it favors you one way or the other. I think it balances out to serve the city. And that's the way I feel about it. And I like the idea that we have a city clerk who has served in this city. I won't say how many years because I don't want to mad at me. But enough years to know how to balance her staff and what needs to be done and how they're directed to complete their responsibilities and I rely on her to do that and she has done an excellent job of that and I think this is this is something for her to discuss with the employees if they feel like that there's an issue and I would like to leave it at that. Anybody else have anything else to say? Okay, well let's move on then. How about sick leave? Table that one. Okay, Christmas parade cost. Yeah, do we want to, we've met with the chamber. We still have to work out the numbers. Last year we split the cost 50-50 with the DCBA. It was roughly, I mean for us it wasn't money, it was resources. It was roughly 500 bucks for each one. And sort of question is this year because the Christmas parade truly is a local event and for the locals. It makes sense to me that we split the cost with the DCBA but can't just run off like a loose cannon. And we just need direction from this council if they agree to split the cost with the DCBA and last year was roughly $500. And again, not $500 cash, it was in service. Right, in service, right. Because when this parade gets permitted as a special event, one, the chief looks at their plan, their, you know, he makes the determination how many officers need to be assigned a special detail and for how long and there's a cost associated with that. And then Chad and his staff, if there are barricades necessary, we typically do that and calculate a cost. How much is it going to cost public services to set up those barricades, take down those barricades and we associate a cost with that. And I think we combined the two last year and then split the difference. Something like that. Any council concerns as far as I'm concerned, I think it's a good plan. I think that's a good idea. Money will spend. We don't have a problem with it. Do we? All right. That's pretty clear. That okay? Everybody understand you get a consensus? All right, well we've got police department structure. That one there was a table to also. Now that we're moving forward on a comp plan, a couple months ago, the chief is going to report out first of October, I said a reminder, based on meetings he goes to, I think we've got a have a lot of time to find her. Based on meetings he goes to I think we're going to cheat other police organizations but now that we're moving I spoke with him not we're moving forward with the comp plan. We table this until after the comp plan is complete. Okay. The comp plan being a compensation plan or the comp plan for the city. The comfort does city comprehension plan right. Sorry. We move on to A.C. Blue Run Park Management. Yes, I want to bring up the on the blue run letter, the initial letters that we sent to Marion County stated that we would be willing to turn over management of the park. Marion County responded rather quickly and explained that Blue Run River is the gemstone of their aquatic adventure tourism business. And in the next paragraph, she said we look very closely and we are very eager to work with you to take over total ownership and management of Blue Run Park. And my question is, when that letter came back, since we did not dispute the park that they said about ownership, will we be putting ourselves in a position where we will have accepted it? No, no. The city charter specifically requires that any disposition of park lands be by referendum. And so referendum would be necessary by the voters to vote affirmatively to dismiss the city of the park and transfer that to Marion County. So that's something that, and that's to change that would require charter amendment, which would also require a referendum. Right. So no matter what, there's not getting passed a referendum on this one. No, I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't something that we didn't respond, that we would be accepting. And I understand it. And I understand it would be that's not possible. I've had numerous people send me emails and explain to me the whole process of how we got the park, why we got it, and it does require a referendum, but I just want to make sure. Thank you. Okay. All right. Anybody have any comment on that? Council? All right. We'll go to council. Oh, let's see. Department reports. We have any department reports? Anybody? Jan, do you have something? Yes, Mr. Mayor, thank you. In keeping with the capital improvement, planting that I know Council probably in the fairly near future, even to start discussing it, I wanted to let you know I had a conversation with the auditors, and because of the gas tax issue that was brought forward last meeting, there is a way to capture any road projects and transportation projects within the CRA, you can't transfer money from CRA to General Fund. You can transfer money from General Fund into CRA to fund road projects. I'm going to make a suggestion that the projects that are planned for next year are put on hold for a couple years so that they can be factored into the calculation that Marion County will make when they reallocate transportation funding. That's just postponing them by a couple years, then they can be captured in marrying county's analysis and expense analysis. It's not a guarantee that you will get more money because it depends on the rest of the municipalities and how much they spend over that time. But at least they'll be captured. And when you have600 over $600,000 worth of projects, it's worth it to maybe put them off a couple years, or maybe not do all of the roads, because I've heard you all discuss hail. Hail Street, I think it is, is a disaster. So maybe you at least tackle that. But it's just I'm just bringing this forward as a way to capture more expenses, so that possibly in the future you'll be able to obtain a little bigger part of the pie for the distribution of gas taxes. So that would be your recommendation. It's a suggestion. A suggestion. Okay. Comments. Comments. Anybody have a comment on it? James suggestion. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. When they adopt a new agreement in 2031, that'll be effective January of 31. So that's your 31 32 fiscal year. They look at the previous five years. They don't go back 10 years. So by postponing your road projects a couple years, it moves it into that five-year analysis plan. And again, it's not a guarantee, you'll get a bigger percentage of the pot, but it increases your chances because, again, how are you going to fund your roads in the future? When you develop your capital improvement plan for roads, you have to determine how you're going to pay for it. So what you do with CRA, you keep obligating those monies over the next couple years for roads. You don't budget it, but you air market for road projects. That way it kind of freezes whatever funding you have. And if you're gaining approximately $400,000 a year in CRA money, you're just soking away more money for CRA roads, general fund roads. There was even talk about possibly expanding the CRA district. That's an option. I don't know the definition of light. That's something that would have to be determined. But if you expand your CRA, CRA can cover those monies. I mean those road, any road projects, as well as general fund money. You could add to that if needed. But you all have a big decision on how you're going to fund your roads. If you're going to do a capital improvement plan, it's going to be workable in the future. So this is just one option that I'm presenting now that you've started a new budget year before you get into these projects. You don't have to postpone them all, but you may want to postpone some of them. And even though the cost will undoubtedly increase over the next couple years, again, you can sock away that CRA money, you know, an ear market for the roads that have already been identified. And I don't even know if that's all the roads in CRA that need repairs. Maybe there are some, and Chad could speak to this, that are not critical, but they're getting, they're gonna be critical, come 10 years from now. And Chad's shaking his head, yes. And this is just up for discussion. You know, they're still in the budget, you could still do them if you want. Okay. So it's just- So I understand better with the five and the ten. But my next question is, is the money considered, is it all money or just the CRA money? Right now I'm speaking just the CRA money. Okay. So, with this new project coming in, the new subdivision that's going to be coming in. If we get impact fees for roads and we apply some of our money, will the money from their impact fees then count as the money we spent so we can get more gas tax? It's not what you collect, it's what you spend. If we collect an impact fee, it's not what you collect, it's what you spend. If we collect an impact fee, it's not what you collect, it's what you spend on transportation costs that count toward your formula when the county redes the formula in 10 years. So impact fees are not really, you could use impact fees to fund roads. Okay, but it's got to be if that road is going to increase capacity. If you're going to add turnlights. Right. If you're going to have to. No, I was just wondering if we could find a way to move to get credit for the impact fees. You can't spend use. Yeah, for the use of the impact fees to attach to work within that five year thing. Yes. Yeah, for the use of the impact fees to attach to work within that five year thing. So then we have their money that work counties is our money to get more money. In a roundabout way, oh, just say it on the roundabout that we're gonna be adding. Okay, that was it. But sure, any expense that's classified as transportation and again, that would mean taking the CRA and creating some new accounting lines to specifically identify them as transportation expenses. Which is what we would want to do for these, if you continue with your road projects this year, we should still establish that accounting line to capture it, even though it won't factor in the analysis at all. But at least it would be a start getting that set up for future accounting purposes. Okay, I just want to find out. Any other comments or questions for Jan on this? Yeah, it was actually going to be my last council comment. It's all tight in with this here. Okay, basically we just lost 360 K and tax revenues for the next 10 years to maintain city roads because we didn't understand how these distributions work. Therefore we didn't plan so that we could leverage the revenues available for the city. Absolutely an agreement that we need to take a look at what we're going to come up with. I think what we've gotten now is either an eight-year plan. I don't believe it's ten years out. I think it's been going on for two years. So the last five years of that agreement, so basically we need to come up with a plan. We need to go out there, see what the conditions of our roads are in, put as many roads that we can repair in the last five years and roads like Hail Street that my opinion definitely have to get fixed or way overdue, to fight to bowl it, spend that money now. Okay, the other thing that happened is that I understand something correctly if I'm wrong is the way the auditor comes and looks at what we've spent. They only take it out of 541. And if we spent CRA money, but it wasn't, that's what Jan was saying. We can take general fund money, put it in that, but we have to create a 541 suffix because that's what they look at. So I didn't go through to look and see if we'd spent how much CRA money we'd spent during this last period. We know where we're at so didn't want to do it. So also the coding that we use for these road projects, especially with CRA money. We got to get a code in there that the auditor is going to pick up on because the auditor is the one that goes in there and says, okay, this money applies to get the road and that's it. And if it's not a five four or one, they don't see it. So we've probably spent money on the roads, but it didn't get recognized because we didn't code it this such. So we need to correct the coding, we need to come up with a plan. I understand it just what Jan's saying, you know, but it's not just hey don't do them for a couple years and I don't know what Jan's not saying. We got to come up with a plan that we're going to do. This road, this road that need to be done and then the last five years of this agreement spend the most money possible so that we can leverage these roads but it's got to be done with a plan so we don't need a 10-year plan so I think we're already two years behind something like that so we need to come up with either a 8-year plan 9-year plan whatever wherever we're at in this 10-year cycle. The teams that are going to count are 27, 331. Those are the five years that are going to count towards the next redistribution. So we need a plan through, we need a road plan through 31. From 27 to 31. Right. We need to have a road plan. So that we can leverage the tax dollars that are tax distribution that is available to us. And more importantly, we need to make sure that the prior, that the preceding councils after us understand why that plan is in place in the financial remick. Right. Right. Otherwise it's always the correct. Yeah. And you have to just herm in funding. Correct. You're going to have to identify with each of those roads in your plan what money is going to pay for that. And you don't have enough in reserves to cover the major projects if you're going to do a number of roads. You just don't have, right now you don't have the money. You can project, you'll get more money over the years but like the gas taxes we get, we're talking $50,000 a year give or take. So that's nothing. If you get one-cent sales tax, that will definitely help. So which you won't know until November, if that's gonna get renewed. Scottalbot, what I've heard, a lot of people are against it because Marion County has proposed a 20 year tax Instead of a five four year tax or five year tax for the push in 20 years that in the other thing is going to be it's competing with a half a percent a new half percent school tax So the voters are going to see two taxes in front of them fully understand. Right. In dig county, they put in the half of said sales tax for transportation. It went everywhere but transportation. So I fully understand it. So at least, you know, you'll know early enough this year if you've got future dollars coming in. But again, a plan is no good unless you could specifically identify how it's going to be paid for. Because I'm also thinking that is this thing becomes closer to completion and we get our comprehensive plan. We see the roads we need probably put us in a position where somewhere along the line we can get a real grant writer and start going after grants since we can show a real need because of the subdivisions and everything else so we might get even more matching money. Keep in mind grants are really focused on going towards a 50% map. No, I fully understand. So again, that comes where you're gonna get your 50% and history. So we don't want to spend it now, we'd rather save it to when we get the most back and I hate to be negative but history has shown if it's not a water project or a sewer project the city just really doesn't get variance and we have had it professionally written but the mayor has got has gone to tell H-Lawid on the city's behalf and been able to obtain funding. So you've got four more years of the mayor and it takes so long to get the grant funding that maybe it'll coincide with any road projects that you want to implement in 26, 27. So timing might be perfect, but I'm just really saying don't count on grants. When you identify your funding source, it should be a real concrete funding source with if you get a grant, you don't have to spend it. You can use the grant. So that's really all on leaning towards. And I wish, I do hope that the city can obtain some grants for road infrastructure. No, I see you looking at me, Jan. And I am in here with that I've spent a good bit of time in the last six weeks trying to build some relationships and with some of our incoming legislators and our Florida League of Cities, Florida League of Mayors. I worked a lot of phone calls and a lot of contact and I am moving along on it. And it has been so far, it's been very good reception. So we're going to say- Anybody can do it, you can do it. Thank you, Jan. Thank you. Any other department reports? I have some questions. We're just kind of hearing up for the third thing, trying to get it prepared as weekend. I think we have everything that we can do in order. As the same bag, fill in the station over there, contact with Mary and County and everywhere right now, listen Mary and County in here, we're seeing record numbers from people. Has a five we've done over 3,100 sandbags just today. And we're getting calls to the traffic. I think it's going to increase in the next two days because everybody's coming up in Southern Florida, getting on to call them traffic jms, everybody backed up and sure she's trying to be running the same situation. Just want to put that out there that everything's gonna be clogged up here before. Too long for everybody in the emergency services. If there's anybody out there for staying bags, volunteers, anything. They could use them over there. The numbers are just crazy with all the people. They're a friend. Chad and Chief. I know we've had other times when I've been out volunteering and doing the bags. We've had the sheriff's prisoners come over and help us. Is that an option for us this time? No. I hope to them last day still have the staffing and help us. Is that an option for us this time? No. No? I don't know. My last days don't have the staffing to stand there with the inmates and stuff and watch them. Okay. Okay. I asked today. Are they at any other station? Do you know? Oh, okay. All right. Thank you. It was a good right. Oh, okay. All right. Thank you. It was a good source. They were great. We talked about Chief Scott and Bill Morgan's stuff coming in, the same electronic trailers and stuff that will be starting. But notices up all over. Once they come in, I think they're delivered tomorrow possibly. I have to talk with Ron. I'm sorry, Chad. What is that that we're doing? Messing for the electron. What's wrong? What's wrong with that? Okay. What, I'm sorry, Chad. What is that that we're doing? Lessons for the left-hand, lesson for the right-hand. I saw the big one there. We put them up for the same big vocation because they were just going crazy. Yeah, I think we got our message board up at the same bag. We've asked for the state to send us some. They called me today around noon and just confirming the delivery location. And they didn't show up yet. But maybe they're stuck in traffic. They got a call in traffic. And even after this one coming stuff, we got a lot of calls. A lot of people were kind of angry, but our main focus when we get to call the stuff, one thing we're doing is clearing the road. Last time we had four roads, five roads closed, the trees and our only focus was opening the roads up and getting everything off there until we come into a work week. So I know we're getting calls of people having it a brief picked up or the stuff we left lay around. But this one's on the standard. The only thing is get the roads open for traffic that first day to two days. After that, then we'll do our cleanup and go pick up all the little stuff up. We do get a bunch of calls of non-hatter residents because they have houses of breeding for their house. I understand, Chair. This is just to open up everything. Well, you're doing the best you can, And I'm sure you express that to them. That's the point. It's to get the roads open. That's not only for the convenience. It's for the safety of the residents of the city. And that's the number one obligation, is there well being. And yes, there will be debris alongside the road until we can pick it up. And we are making every effort, as I know you are, to do that. But the safety is the number one issue. Get the roads clear in case of an emergency we can get in and we can serve the public. Some things we just have to deal with is just making sure, like you said, the safety because we're doing a lot of power lines and stuff down there. That's it. Let fire and power economy stuff clear everything, close everything down before we can do anything. That's exactly right. You're doing you know exactly what you need to be doing and you're doing it and there are many citizens appreciate it. Did you have anything else? And I see our chief is at the podium are you ready to for your car? I've got everyone brought spring. We've got a lot of large piles. So the city ever looked at contracting somebody like 10 days after a storm to come through with a bucket truck and just make one pass through the city and letting people know They actually have a brief brief company where I contracted with I did reach out to them on this last storm, but They measured on the volume of the Breon area and after they went through the disassessment, they said we don't have enough Brein as a area. Well, that's what I was saying is, could we, as a council, could we look at allocating some money so after a storm, since it's not gonna be enough major debris, but to make one pass through, to make it easier for the citizens? What's the management does that now is in the art of breeding stuff and they were doing it They were doing it, but I was like I've got four big piles in my neighborhood because they lost a couple trees So it's gonna take a couple weeks. I was just thinking just to get it out so that there's no event for another storm Plus as people are already so booked up It'd be hard to find something but I bet Who knows but it's a good idea I'm not sure what else we do. A lot of stuff just comes from so far after the fact, like we do the debris cleanup, and everything else, if people have limbs or trees or yard, then they start cutting that out and dragging it all out. Then it becomes, is it a city problem, or is it a personal problem on private property? I was just thinking of yard as a way to, they have to haul out. I was saying that there's a way to they have to hold out just like somebody else would we'll do what we can but no but that's what I'm saying I I know you can't that is a service to the citizens is saying like 10 days after the storm let everybody know that a debris company's coming by to pick up the rest of the files. And we just get in and we're done because, almost everybody in my neighborhood is over 65 years old and except for Valerie. Yeah, I was all sad. Anyway, because they will only pick up a certain size and a certain volume waste management will and they did do an extra pass through on Wednesday after this storm to collect yard waste because they were so full on Monday as of all the garbage because they didn't get because people forgot to put their cans out. Well they didn't forget they didn't know that they were going to pick up on Friday. So they had an extra amount volume of garbage to collect on Monday. So they did a pass through Wednesday and picked a yard waste. But it's got to be a certain size and a certain... Yeah, no. And even the circumcised, they still didn't get it all because it was so... I mean, at least it's in bombspranks or so much. They're going to come back in. They'll take smaller portions each round, but they're not going to come out if you've got a pine tree cut up in front of your half inch, just four inch diameter is going on it. They're not going to go and hold that off. No, I know. Yeah. And we do try to pick up what we can take out and put in our pile. It's just come to, we talk with me management, but what they can bring us out of 40 yarders to put that stuff in because Sandland will not take certain trees anymore. Palm trees, they're not like that, they will not take them from heaven. So we don't have to find out what we have to do with plant trees. Right now we just have what waste management said, they give us so many 40 yards a year, because three is what they mentioned. I know costs, but then maybe we have one decide to pay for anything beyond that. Something that has to be discussed later. Yeah, everything else, Chad? No, but you get anybody else? Okay, you ready? Chief. Ready. Just changing up a little bit. We'll go back to the storm Keeping with the the promise that we're gonna be doing traffic out here. We did do a traffic operation Couple weeks ago through that operation the couple hours that we were out. We did make 60 traffic contacts At least one person was arrested through that. We can modify it and we can do one out in Den Allen Heights or, you know, get some of this morning traffic coming in. But we did do that. Talking about the little league, damage out the fields and things like that. There is a new family that moved out to Den Allen Heights with some teenage kids. And they have been causing some issues out there in Den Allen Heights with residents and out there destroying the ball fields. The people running the ball field said that they would go ahead and handle it within themselves and have the kids come out and fix the ball fields and do the damage. So whether they actually showed up and did that, I don't know, but once they make that civil contract, that's out of law enforcement hands and we can't enforce anything anymore. So that's some of the problems that are happening out there at the ball field. Talking about the impact fees. If the city is looking at working on impact fees, I would greatly ask that you include us. Because if these new homes come in out there, you're almost going to double the size of the police department and that's a lot of equipment, that's cars, tasers, uniforms, that's a lot of stuff that has to be purchased. So I think that needs to be into the impact needs. So I would greatly appreciate if you included us into those discussions. Before I move into the storms, anybody have any other questions on things? Happens just the normal happening with the police department. Just wanted to let you know I left work in Leedsburg twice and a couple of days later I got a very nice notice from Leedsburg that I was speeding through their camera. And it said, this is just so morning. There's a little Montessori school right there. And you come down and I mean, it just comes around. So I got two of them. I got two notices of violation and I do slow down there now. Good. Because those will be coming out soon here locally. Anything else on the normal happening? So, please come to the city. All right, going into the storm then. With the police farmer, we're gonna be starting our 12-hour shift starting tomorrow morning, doubling up mainly because of traffic that's going to be happening out here. We kind of watched it all day. It did build up, but it seemed to handle itself okay. Gas stations started running out of fuel early, which then started alterations at the gas stations. And one of the gas stations actually said, look, we are scared to be out here. Would you close our gas station for us? Tell these people to get out of here because it was getting too bad for them. So we went ahead and closed it for them, gave a little cool off time. And right now, there are officers up there sitting at the gas station, getting it back open so people can have fuel and monitoring that kind of stuff. We did put in some requests through the Mary County EOC. One request we put in for the strike teams to come out here with their chainsaws after the storm and start opening the roads. They said yes, but it's on hold right now because it's till the storm goes by. They will not open local roads, only highway roads. So pretty much they're just looking at opening 484 and 41. So everything else is gonna be relied on Chad and his people. We ask for extra deputies to come in and help us manage our traffic. If it gets bad, that request was denied. Did they give an explanation? Not really. Other than some of the requests, they're like, we send you people now, not really other than some of the requests, they're like we send you people now, you have to house them, you have to feed them, but that request was just for local agencies and it could just be that they have deputies deployed other places, they're pretty overwhelmed too. But they're staying in close contact with me on the phone. They've answered it every time I've called. So if we needed something I'm sure that they would they would send it. We asked for the message boards from the state. They called me today like you said that was around noon time today just confirmed the location, which I just changed the delivery location from the police department to public works. So they would be staged there. And we've asked for a ham radio operator to come out and sit with us during the storm because the power goes out. We all know cell phone service is going to go out. So we at least have hopefully communications back to the EOC. There is starting it said within the next hour so by three o'clock in the I have no clue where Champions B is, but basically I for North to I-10, they have opened up what they call their emergency shoulder use, so you can now use the shoulders of the road for Northbound traffic. They're trying to keep the outside of right-hand still for broke down vehicles, but the interior shoulder lane is open for through traffic. And, they're doing some of that as well on I-4. Andrew, I don't know how you made it here. I don't know. Yesterday. Oh, true. Yeah, I text the be the whole way. So email me the whole way and kept them busy. Mary County did put out a mandatory evacuation for mobile homes and RVs, but they amended it. And they kind of put a year down our homes built before 1994. They have amended it to say anybody who just feels unsafe in their house, they can go to the shelters. So they do have a list of new shelters out there and there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven shelters, eight with the special needs shelters that are open. Who is the special needs shelters? That open. Where's the special needs shelters? That's always Westport. That's what I think. So, and Westport, they will take your special lead pet, but you've got to show proof that there is a reason. And then there is a special location for your sex offenders and predators that they have on there. And then if that, the storm gets too bad, they will move all of them into the jail. So that's kind of it right now. Again, as far as what we're doing with the city on Wednesday or Thursday. I don't know because every report is different or just vacant. There's other storm out there and it's going this fast. And somewhere between here, it's going to hit. Stop looking at that center. Those are the briefings. So they're not giving us any clue. And first, it was supposed to hit Tuesday night. You know, so my thought process was kind of delay the opening of the city on Wednesday, let the sun come up, let roads get cleared before people come in so they're not coming at nighttime, running into a down wire or down tree. And then I said, well, okay, it's coming a little later. So maybe we will open the city in the morning, but now who knows when it's coming. So that's a wait until tomorrow before I make any decision on that. Got with Chad earlier today. I'm cleaning up the city, getting out. There is a $1.7 million kind of cap is what the county looks for. So if, and we submit all our damages kind of into that pot of here's all this money, all those damages as we spent, Marion County has to reach that $1.7 million in order for reimbursement to come back. So they did not make that on the last storm. And Jan, I know it's more specific on what numbers go into that pot. Right. So I put out that email. Yeah. Okay. And that's why I, uh, carbon copied you all so that everybody would see, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I right now just to now hold on better. So. Chief one thing I want to compliment you on is your post on Facebook on the social media. We already have several fictitious comments by people on there that do not know what they're talking about. So when you put a Dunnell and police department post on there. I noticed this being copied and shared. And I have done that myself with your post because they are concise and they're simple and they're easy to understand. And I want to compliment you on that. That's, I've had several people mention to me that they're glad to see this communication. So continue that, continue that. I know you've got a lot on the plate, but that's important to all of us. I'm trying to keep up with it the best I can. Sometime, Chris Smith or Jill Eason are doing some things. I apologize for my spelling errors on there, but apparently my phone does auto correct and changes some things. So I did get a phone call last night going, you know, you didn't you proofread your stuff Well Julie's a Julie is a former English teacher of about 22 years, but I don't want to spread I don't want to spread that around because she don't want to be that But yes, but they've been very well received and I don't I imagine the council members have had the same response The ones that actually evolved I forward all the council members, I believe the last kind of update, the 130 update from the EOC, it's got that PowerPoint. Well, except on the air. Any questions for the chief? Are you going over there, Mr. Mayor? Am I going to Okala? Yes. I may, I may, but I want to, as the chief said, we're not sure what really impact we're going to have yet. And being here in town, we've got one more day at school, you know, I was in several places today at school. So I want to try to get this last day in and we won't be there on wedges in Thursday. So we went in Thursday, I possibly could be over there. I was just. Well, I would would yes, Valerie. Answer your question. Absolutely. If it's necessary, if I think it's necessary or I get phone calls, you know, we think you need to be there. I'll be there. I'll make you sandwiches if you need any. All right. Thank you, Valerie. The last time I was over there for 20, I think it was 26 hours. But that's been several years ago. Anybody have anything else for the chief? Thank you, chief. Thank you. Council comments. Me and did you have anything? I just got back into town Saturday from Georgia and if my house isn't destroyed and everybody's safe Then I'll probably be leaving Thursday or Thursday afternoon to go work the power thing So I'm probably not gonna be at the next meeting Next Wednesday Georgia for nine days Valerie did you have a council comment? You have anything I just want everybody to stay safe and here to help however and chat. I'll be there at seven o'clock tomorrow morning. I'll do bags I've got gloves and show Madeline are you wait, but let's see here. We'll get to you in just a second. One more, Tim, did you have any council comments? Yeah. Spoken chase spoke to us, had today. I don't want to wait till tonight's meeting when Andrew was here. The AC contractor that put the new AC in over at the police department, they didn't perform the scopol work that we agreed to. And the shortcut changes that they made are not working. The bill's been paid and now basically we're a note on the contractors' white board for them to come out and they're convenience to do something. And it's not anything. Chad did wrong. It's not anything. The police did wrong. The contract spells out exactly what they were going to do, exactly what we agreed for them to do. But that's not what they did. And so I'm not sure. I just don't want to let this go. And then it becomes another like the Shade shelter did over at Public Beach, where we have a contractor skip out on us, and they didn't do the work. So I'm not sure what to do at this point. It was the contractor? Well, when I talk to Chad this afternoon, they have, he said that they are going to come out after the storm and rework according to the original estimate. Okay. And what if they don't? Then it's a problem. Okay. I think if they're telling us they're willing to come correct the problem. We should give them an opportunity to do that. And then if they don't show up, they don't reach back out. They don't fix the problem. That I think that's when we need to involve Andrew with any type of legal action. Okay. Is that it? Anything else to him? No, sir. Max Er. Oh. Er Max Er. I don't know That company. Andrew? Yes, just a couple things, Mayor. It'll be quick. Yes, certainly if there's a contract for a problem, if it gets to that, happy to write letters, starting with that, and then do whatever we need to do to address the issue, hopefully, police departments taking care of it, but we don't get there. Two things, I just want to address very quickly, as far as police impact fees, and the chief's reference as we discussed earlier, the city does have a police impact fee. This study was done in May 28, 2020. So the city is looking at comprehensive impact fees or adopting new study. Usually they're done about every five years. So would be good to take a look at updating that impact fee. I'm certain that dollars in 2020 are very different than dollars today. That's clearly the case. Just as another note, the city did receive a letter from the school board with an interest of a member of the school board potentially joining the city planning commission. That's provided for within the interlocal agreement between the city and the school board. It's also a statutory requirement that there be a seat on the planning commission, any planning commission within the state for items and it's non-voting seat. But just a seat available to a school board member, one member of the school board on any planning commission to address expansions or address any issues such as a rezoning or conference of plan amendment that could result in population growth that could impact the school district. So in discussing that with Mandy, we can do as do a simple change to the city code. I've been well aware of this for some time, but there has never been an interest in express until now. And so just a simple one line or two line change to the city's code to provide for that for a non-voting interest for those type of matters So that's something that we can bring back before you Then that I don't have anything else. I then of course wish everybody here the very best during the storm Certainly it's all everybody almost the entire state everyone is Going to be impacted in some state perform and we're all together so I hope you all farewell up here and certainly anything that I can do to assist in any stage any time I will be doing as well as any member of my firm here to serve and help you out in any way that we can. That's all I have to say. Thank you, Andrew. Any questions or concerns, Ranjou? Public comment, we have someone at the podium with you would give us your name and address. My name is Madeline. Hi. I just have a question. Madeline, your address? I would not like to share my personal information. I'm going in. Thank you. So I just want to ask question about the car wash over there. Is that open? And like pertaining to that, somebody said something about water and how it's not being able to use and businesses are being shut down because of not enough water to them. I just wanna know if that's true or not. And like, it is not. That is, that ran the rumor mill pretty hard. We contacted FGEUA, the water company. And the businesses, it was not old businesses, it was the three new businesses that were put in and trying to open. They had problems submitting their drawings that didn't follow the processes. They put them in wait late, et cetera, et cetera. So it was basically their own doing that caused them delayed in opening up. In a nutshell, what happens is when you build a business or a home or anything, you get a temporary water meter, you apply for all that, okay? But then once the business opens up, because the original build, you only need so much water to build a building, but like let's use a car wash or a coffee shop that uses a lot of water. Now they have to put in the paperwork, the drawings, and etc. Because now they have to go to a bigger water line, a bigger water meter to do all that. They fail to do everything that they needed to do through that process. I shouldn't say they fail to do everything that they needed to do through that process. I shouldn't say they failed to do everything. Along the process, they failed different things to do different things. And that's what caused the delay of the business. As far as the car wash goes, the car wash is not opening because the people had originally were doing it for whatever reason they're selling the business. So we don't know if it's ever going to open. I mean, you just might just be building there. Go ahead, Brian. I can no wait, answer that. There is a new buyer for the old, what was it? Take five. Take five, yeah, take five. Thank you. There is a new buyer that came in to introduce themselves last Thursday. Awesome. They're a family from Miami area who had family local to this area. So they're more retiree age. So they decided to move here to be close to their children and other family members. So they are family-owned, philanthropy. They are looking to be part of community engagement. They are looking at fundraising efforts and they want to be part of the city. They even mentioned that it wouldn't have ready to go to invite city council members for ribbon cutting. So they seem to want to be really involved with the community and they mentioned that this how they ran their businesses down south also. Wonderful. Did they give you any idea when they were going to open? No, right now they're just finishing up paperwork. Gotcha. Came in to ask about what procedures would be for permitting in the future. They want to do landscaping if they wanted to put up some trees on their property in the back because they said it was pretty bare and... Gotcha. And they want to make it more friendly from the road. Nice. Because it's just concrete, right? So, yes. So they just have some general preliminary questions. And as we move forward, they may want to do take down some trees maybe, because there's a long tree line and be underneath the the power lines and between them in the business next door On at the south side of the car wash So that is now leaning on to their roof after the last storm And it's also clogging all the gutters and so they did inquire about that in the future too Removing some trees and getting that properly done. So yeah, they were very active came in very nice family But really really involved in community engagement They want to be involved. Thanks Ron awesome You too be safe madland I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. He was a granddaughter. I'm sorry I didn't realize. I did not address either as I am. It's on fire. I didn't know that was a choice but the whole year of America. I have talked to Michelle about having a public information officer here because I have had Judy at City Chamber of Commerce has said she's got more calls about the car wash and the right turn auto not being open and it reflects badly on Donnellan, even though it's not warranted. Why not get ahead of it and put this on Facebook, our Facebook page, which really is not used that much. So that we can also use it if you look at other cities like Williston and you know Dora they put things like bull water notices sidewalk repair blah blah why not why not use it more to communicate with the public rather than the old-fashioned way of sticking a sign in for the lucky people that happen to drive by Blue Run Park the other thing is I feel like that a lot of times when you have lived your all your life and people move back or come in and they see things that need to be changed, people that have lived here forever take it personally. It is not personal and I really feel like running the city as a business is very important because it is a business. And we want to, I met a couple that were born and raised here and chose not to live in the city. I said, why not? They said, we would rather live somewhere that protects our property values. That is shocking. We need to protect our property values. And when you have to charge the people that own STRs, those fees to do the work to maintain the business side of it, why shouldn't they pay it? The girl two doors down for me gets a thousand bucks a day. Why can't she pay for part of the software? Protect those taxpayers that live here, because in Bluecove people have, the RBOs on either side of them and it is not fun. The other thing is I would like to find out, have a public explanation of why the five years that we used to establish the apportionment for the two sales tax, why did we not pay attention to that? And I'd like to have an explanation about what happened so that now we're suffering for it. Are you talking about the gas tax or the gas tax? Yes, sir. And I don't want to explanation now. I think the whole citizenry also, as far as people coming taking the day off of the storm, I think that's great. Yes. But I really expected them last week to come in on Friday. Why not? Don't we need you from the public? I mean, and that's why citizens don't want to vote for one sales tax because they feel like they're, it's not essential why are we having to pay more? So I don't see anything wrong with if you have off Thursday coming in on Friday. That's just my point because the money makes a bigger impact for a town that is so poor and with only 2,000 people it makes a much bigger impact. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kathy. Okay anybody else have a comment? I'm not seeing any, I'll entertain a motion, Jerry. There's a motion on the floor in a second discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Stay safe, everybody. God bless too. Thank you. Well.