Good evening. It is now 6 p.m. I call to order the workshop of the Appalachicolo City Commission. Today is Tuesday, August 27th. May I have a motion to adopt the agenda? Make that motion. Have a motion by Commissioner Grove. May I have a second? Second by Commissioner George discussion. Hearing none. All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carried. At this time we'll open up the floor for public comment. Before me, I have three cards. First, Michael, right there, right there. With board insurance. I'm going to go ahead speak with you this evening. My name is Michael Richter. I'm with Boyd Insurance Investments, the Vice President of the North Florida Division. My office is located in Liberty County, my hometown of Bristol. I have had an insurance practice there for almost 20 years and partnered with Boyd recently to bring resources into our North Florida area that I saw we desperately needed. With that became a partnership with the preferred government of interest trust which is one of three carriers that write municipality, write coverage for municipalities in the state of Florida. Floyd has a 25 year long standing working relationship with this carrier. One of the top producers, the carrier provides coverages for roughly 40 cities, state of Florida, 20 counties, the city of Appletz-Cola. I think you have been covered with this carrier provides coverage for roughly 40 cities state of Florida, 20 counties, various municipalities, special tech districts, such as that. Not a stranger to city of Appletz-Cola. I think you have been covered with this carrier before. And so I'm bringing before you have proposal for the City of Appalachia Code. It's been fully underwritten and bindable based on all the coverage information gathered, working with Miss Lee Mathis over the past number of months. And in this proposal, you will see an indication of savings from your current and renewal premium for this package of about $60,000. Now in conversation just recently, we recognize that I have over quoted the workers' comp portion of that. There's an adjustment that we know is necessary. So the savings for the city would be in excess of $60,000. I don't know what that excess is, but we can put a number on that very shortly. I know the tonight's meeting is for different subject, but this was an opportunity for me to stand before you. Give you a proposal, put it in your hand, have you have something that you can look at, and then follow back up. We do it a more appropriate time whenever directed to address that. I'm hoping that the city would give me the opportunity and the privilege to provide these services for you going forward. You would be a very important client to me. I'm fond of Applied School. We spend a lot of time here. My family and I and something I'm very interested in would give you great service for and be a great service point for you. Continue to bring value and making sure that you're having a efficient premium as possible going forward. If you have any questions for me, feel free to ask. If not, I'll leave you with that and follow it with you as as after the meeting and see if there's anything I can do to answer any questions for you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to come and make this presentation before us. We will have a take a look and compare with our current policies and see if there's any differences there. the committee. We will also again get legal feedback because there was not a RFP. We will look at all of that but we will contact you. Thank you, Mary. I will say for the record this is what we would call in the name of the terms and apples and apples comparison of services and coverages and also just to note for all the commissioners the last change I've been told by the carrier was made by the city without formal RFP so when they left preferring went to your current carrier they did that in a similar fashion and it's not uncommon we procure for cities insurance services for cities, without four more RFPs, and there are provisions in that statute. But yes, ma'am, if I can answer any more questions, we'll let it be happy to do. All right. Do, does, are there any of the commissioners have any questions for? Michael? I have a quick question. This proposal, you put this together yourself. Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much. And this is based on, when you say you collected information from this math, as it's talking about. We gathered all of your current policy information, loss history for current year in preparation just as you would through a normal RFP process. the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, the last year, and come before me without a full RFP, but it's something that we saw an opportunity to do to provide value for the city of Appalachia School. That sounds like a significant savings, and we'll certainly like Mayor was saying, we'll do our due diligence and we'll be in touch. Yes, ma'am. Thank you so much. I have one question for you though, unless Commissioner George, Commissioner Grove, have a question before I ask my question. Not a my question. Not having a question. All right, thank you. What makes you your services different from our current service provider? What can you offer? I mean, because most policies are specific across the board when it comes to municipalities. So why would we change providers or carriers agents and go to you? What makes you? Yeah. So, well, there's a number of things there. First of all, the two carriers that you have. You have a carrier that offers great services as well. These are direct competitors at the top level of the three. They're the two largest and do the most business in the state. So they just, by the fall, have to compete with each other and make sure that they have competing services that match or exceed the other. So from that standpoint, but as far as what I provide, as far as a presence and a local presence and service and a long-lasting and standing relationship, significant relationships throughout the state with all of the decision-makers from the carrier level. My partners, Jim and Austin Boyd, Jim Boyd is actually a state senator that sits on the banking insurance. He shared that. We're very informed on what's coming down. The pike for changes, legislative changes, and how it might affect the city and the coverages or the carriers and how that could have a price impact. Keep informed on that. Give you updates proactively so that you can budget effectively in plan. But more, the presence and knowledge of what rural North Florida needs for services that are unique to North Florida. Living my entire life in Liberty County, I'm well aware of that. I've worked with governments for over the past 10 years. I've got seven-eight years of direct experience working with insurance coverages within government entities. So I see that. And so by being present and understanding those, I become an extension of your office and what you do to provide additional services. And being there when you have a need. One final question before you sit down. What's your response time? Response time. If we call and have a question, you will have myself communicate. You will have my cell phone number always. Just as I'm here today, but standing in the room before you after a brief conversation or when you have a meeting, I can be here at any time. We're, like I say, my family any time. We're like I say my family in here. We come, I have clients in city by pledge cola, friends, we're commonly here so I'm in just a neighbor. I can be here at any time. Response time is I'm at your service when you need me. So thank you very much. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. It is one a wringer. and the Appalachian Column and the Historical Society. And a couple of comments about the first game during notice that wasn't included in the handout, but I saw it was in the online version. Specifically, the Column first moved, and it was, I noticed that the three is used for heritage trades. And actually, this just kind of an editorial kind of, but the training that's used in the comments is actually a Patreon trade. There's a proposal, a preliminary proposal, and change it to heritage treatment for the purposes of the field schedule I recommend you use patriotic. There is patriotic treatment. So there is a field of some proposed forms, significant training, and a heritage training, which does exist before we have a plan. So, I'm so glad that we have some of the seven-year training, a major training, a major 50 dollars, so it's a lot of 50 dollars increase. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. But it makes everything twice, you know, be some of a small deterred for something going out and over trimming one of our majestic patriarchs. So I support that. I have a couple of comments on what you're going with. It's a very last, very important moment. If you're really willing to come home from the room and to address them, I'll cut this short note. It's for the public works department, the staff, the community, the trees, the administration, and as I said in the last time, they did for this fiscal year, it shows $6.20, as they had the exact same period over from my fiscal year to this fiscal year. So during this fiscal year, there was some additional money that was collected for the administration fund. to this fiscal year. So, doing this fiscal year, there's an addition in the meeting that is collected for the first time. I don't know how much I don't know what that number is exactly. What I'm asking you to do is care for whatever the name is, the 2628 plus this year's fees and care for that amount into this next fiscal year of the budget that we're talking about tomorrow. The other thing I wanted to tell you briefly was the Centurion Manuals Contract, the Historical Society made a request to get a copy of the contract and want to give a clue to she made her a chiffon there request and, within a matter of hours, I appreciate that. The contract is made in January, it was fully prepared, it's fully clear that it's going to be a serious, a sad thing for centuries. As I said, the last word in the language has been acceptable. The training has been substandard. So if there's so many to identify the language of that contract and there is a provision there which allows the city to modify it to be more specific unless actually expected of the contractor. This contract was for a year period, then your period is not passed. There's a lot of mad and criminal provision in the contract. Obviously that has occurred and there's been a couple of the pros over there knowing this week. But I like civil language, I've turned up to make sure that there's more training that specifically. Chestnut, but I assume it's happening at the other cemetery is also. Everything is it calls for. When it's two times a month or 12 months of the year, there's no way that it's been happening. I mean, it's been been been happening infrequently I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I the commission would make a decision around as you're going through deliberations or whether you had already intended to address that without me talking about again. At this point, we're just talking through everything. So before the hearing, we'll make that decision. So we'll determine tonight if there's a need for another budget workshop. And so we'll make that determination prior to the hearing. Okay, here's talking about the first hearing. Yes, sir. Okay, thank you. Good work. Liz Perkins. Commissioner, thank you for hearing me. My name is Liz Perkins. I'm the chair of the pals. You can pull the microphone down to, so, yes. Sorry. Is that okay? I didn't want you to have to be straight. I'm chair ofals, the friends group of the Appalachia Colomargett Keep Public Library. I understand that the city is in a budgetary emergency, and I appreciate finance director Mathis' efforts to write the ship with realistic budget allocations. Question was raised at the last budget hearing, or the last budget workshop, rather about the role of pals in library funding, and I wanted to address that topic for a minute here. Pals is a 501C3 private charity. Our mission is to assist the library through volunteering by raising money for the enrichment of library programs and by serving as advocates for the library within the community. Since I joined the board three years ago, we have worked hard to bring our practices into line with professional standards for library friends groups nationally. On funding, we take very seriously the American Library Association's best practice advice that I quote, friends funds supplement the library's operating budget library association's best practice advice that I quote, Friends Funds Supplement for Library's Operating Budget to provide materials and programs that enhance the library service. Friends Funds should not replace money that is normally provided by the city or institution for library operations. Friends decide how to spend their money after conferring with the library director. This approach to funding management is shared with library friends groups throughout the United States. So, pals is a private charity that should not be mentioned in the city budget in any capacity. Our board is unanimous that the city cannot depend upon pals to fund core operational expenses, such as basic staff positions. Ms. Perkins, if I can just kind of stop you so you don't have to go any further. I think there was miscommunication in that. We understand the role of Pau. Just wanted it on the record. What I asked the question, what was the purpose of POW? So that was that there is not a request for POWs to fund a position. So there was miscommunications on that. So if you feel the need to continue on, please. We were talking to City Manager Travis, this Travis weighed this afternoon, and he didn't actually understand the world of pals, so if I could just finish, I'd just brief men this one. Okay, so we don't raise a lot of money. I'm gonna be candid with you in the last three years, in 2022 we raised about and spent for the library about $7,000. And we did it on things such as a sound bar, a digital projector, these kinds of things. We pay for things that enrich the library's program, but are not the core, you know, total budget line things. So we can't do that. We realize that this is an emergency and when your budget process is finished, what we will do is work with Lucy and the library advisory board to see how we can support such things that will be appropriate for us to spend money on. And now this program's subscriptions, books, equipment, what we can do. We'll do what we can to help, but we need to keep our mission clear that we are enhancing. And, frankly, that's the basis upon which we raise our money. We don't say we're going to take over core functions. We say, you give us money and we'll make this a better and more lively library. Just to conclude, I routinely hear the library spoke and I've as the face of the city, the soul of the community, the heart of an apoelectic cola. Lucy Carter has done a remarkable job in creating a library community of volunteers who give hundreds of hours of their time to host programs, work with children, help people do their taxes, sell books, sell pumpkins. The entire library staff works hard and creatively to meet the needs of all parts of the community as they come through the door. This is a busy popular and important public service. So I would thank you for trying to at least fund it to the extent that you are able to this year and to continue thinking about what a great job, you know, and and what important thing the library is to the community. Thank you very much. I can answer any questions. I just want to thank Pals for their service to the city to the library. I would greatly appreciate all that you do and what you have done for the library. Thank you so much. I do not have any other cards, public speaking cards. Are there any other comments before we move on? Thank you. So from the last budget meeting, if you're looking your column on page one, we're on general revenues. We're looking under the column for 827 workshop, it's over there to the far. After reviewing Duke energies, utility franchise and utility tax, I did not take into consideration the increase we get in the summer months. So I felt confident in increasing those revenues of utility franchise by 25,000 and utility tax by 23,000. I got confirmation on the local option gas tax from the state. So I increased that 10,500 maybe per the state of Florida. We also took admin from Enterprise Fund, 17.5, from Water 17.5 from Sour, to help find positions within the general fund that have enterprise fund duties. So just myself, my finance clerk, Sheneja, we all Travis, we all work in enterprise fund. So we just took a portion, a very small portion, and moved that into general fund. Comissioners, do you have any questions or comments for Lee regarding the revenue page? Just leave what you're mind talking into the microphone when you're talking. Sometimes it's a little hard to hear. No other questions? Lee? Okay. Under governing body, we've decreased grant consulting by 5,000 and we have decreased repairs and maintenance by 1,000 So that we've cut this department by an additional $6,000 Question comments Here we go I'm sorry, commissioning growth You were going to move the insurance for the field house. Done under here. Sorry. Long comment. Okay. Good. Okay. Admin department. This department encompasses city manager, planner, admin staff, code enforcement grants and finance. The reduction on the 827 column is the part-time position that has been eliminated. The communications we've done and audit with our communications and so we were able to confidently reduce that by another $5,000. The travel budget in the admin department has been zero now. Gas and oil is we brought that down by 600 payroll services. I could easily reduce that by another 3,000 and equipment reduced by a thousand which we brought this department down to another 26,000, 5,76. Questions, comments? Perceible. department because we're not going to fund a building inspector. I was able to reduce this department budget by 6300 just by reducing their supplies and gas and oil and communications equipment things like that just basic things comments Perceived So this takes in Gary's Gary sellers still the Councilor Tixen Gehrie's Salary still accounted for contract building inspectors. Yes, for Gary yes. Police Department Bobby went through his budget one more time and was able to reduce his communications, uniforms, supplies and has training additional. So we saved another 4,000 in that department. Thank you Chief. Any questions? The only change that we made in fire department we reduced their communications by $220 and we reduced their supplies 500 which leaves them 3500 for supplies but we increase the first responder supplies so questions comments So. Questions comments? Public works. I had to increase their communications budget by 500 because local option gas tax is going to fund The majority of their equipment all of their equipment repairs and maintenance all of their equipment, all of their equipment repairs and maintenance, all of their equipment supplies, all of their street repairs and sidewalk repairs. We were able to reduce the repairs and maintenance, the tires, supply line items, street signs, the gas and oil significantly. We also reduce the tree maintenance line item by $5,000 which makes it $25 and then we reduce the sidewalk street repairs of maintenance by $8,500 for an additional savings of $43,000 and within this budget. The comments. Lee. Library Department. Added back and the part time employee and the fight in the retirement that goes along with that. Reduce the supply budget by a thousand. So it's still a thousand above what it was last year and then reduced the book budget by a thousand which is still a thousand more than it was last year. Reduced the programs by 500 and reduce the equipment by 500. So this department gained 15,9919. Comments? Commissioner in Duncan? I just wanted to follow. Math is the note out to the side where you know you've said support to my employee where it has the note about the pal's Oh, I forgot I forgot to remove that I just Because that was requested so there's no reason why we can't remove that right. No, I think yeah, I just forgot to believe that That's a big advantage. Thank you so much Yeah, the any other comments Mathis Under Parks and Rick under repairs maintenance, we reduced that budget by 5,000, which still leaves 5,000 and reduces supplies by 1,000, which leaves 4,000, for an additional $6,000 in this budget. Page 10. the The facilities department has not was not changed. And on the back page you have your general fund revenues expenses summary. So we've added an additional $93,580 in revenues. So if you take everything that all the changes throughout the budget for a $827, we've cut an additional $76,681. If you stay with nine meals, you'll be 187302 to the good. If you stay with nine meals, you'll be 187 302 to the good. If you stay with our current military, you're 15,458 to the good. And if you go to your rollback rate, you're 196 097 in the deficit. A couple of questions before we move on. You heard the comment regarding the Reforestation Fund and the Carey Forward. What are your comments on that? I do not have a balance for the Reforestation. I do not have a call-creen balance as at this point for the Reforestation Fund, but we have opened up a separate check-in account to keep those funds entirely separate. The other question I have is will you just for the sake of discussion because we have not received the final consensus on this. Talk about Waste 1. How it will affect the budget. If waste one consumes their billing, we just don't bill it anymore. We're completely out of the loop. If we go with our current military, we'll be to the good $40,458. If we say with our current military. Commissioner Grove, thank you. On the reform station fund, Dinesons calculated this over the past decade, at least. Many times, and we've come up with the balance, he has gone through all the applications. He's kept track of it and every year we have this. Oh, I don't know what it is. It's not supposed to be used for tree maintenance. It clearly says that in the ordinance. So we should have a good idea of what's in there based on what permits were taken, what they paid and where the money is. So I don't understand why we had a mystery on this every year. And I'm not speaking to you particularly because the new things changed around a lot, but it seems like we could come up with a number and stay with it every year. And it shouldn't be moved around much, you know, except we haven't really used any of the money out of the ReForce Station fund in the past 10, 15 years that we've had the ordinance in place. And as per ordinance, that money has to be used for certain things and not maintenance. So we had it in separate accounts. Now we need to, we're back to separate accounts. I know the auditor asked us to streamline and not have somebody separate accounts, but I feel like we should know what's in that balance. I agree. Okay. Commissioner George, before we go on to enterprise, I wanna open up the floor open up the give you the floor I'm sorry, I could you repeat that? I'm before we move on to the enterprise section. I want to give you the floor. Do you want to? Do you want to have Just talk about it all and you know some the budget what I'm what was what's your pleasure. Okay I think Lee has done a great job of going through the budget and trying to see what can be eliminated to balance our budget at least at the current We have a 13% increase in our evalorm taxes. Every other taxing entity within our county is reducing their milled rate at least some. And we find ourselves having to stride up the taxing into the city. We have a 13% increase in our evalorm taxes. Every other taxing entity within our county is reducing their milled rate at least some and we find ourselves having to strip down a budget where we're eliminating all our capital outlay budget in the general fund and reducing all expenses to a minimal level. I think we're suffering from some decisions we made in the last few years that maybe we didn't study carefully enough. Our salaries are now 45% greater than they were three years ago and certainly our revenue have not increased to that extent. So, I mean, that's the number we have to work around. You know, there were a lot of estimates that were incorrect in last year's budget. In addition to that, were projected revenues were overstated, significant expenses were understated, such as the insurance. So if you'll see in this budget, there's not much comparison to last year. And on top of all of that, we're still struggling to get our counting records up to date so that we have meaningful, actual year-to-date numbers so we can see exactly what it calls to run the city and what our revenues are. I mean, I'm embarrassed to be in this position that we're scraping together a budget with so many unknowns. At this point, I mean, I think our best, our best quarters is to stay with the current military as much as it pains me to say that. And we're just going to have to in this current year study every system within the city and see what's needed and make some hard decisions. Thank you. I too would like to thank Lee for what she's done. She has put in a lot of time and effort and she is the bad guy. But she is, she has a heart for the city and she has worked extremely hard and she has put a lot of time and effort in and so that is admirable and I'm grateful and I thank you for what you've done and I know that you're going to be you know again the bad guy but I will I will be asking you to put stricter procedures in place when it comes to spending so that will be one of the requests that I will be asking of you will meet and we'll talk about that in more detail. Manager Wei, did you meet with all of the department heads on the budget? Yes, we are only on both met with each one eventually. Before we move on to enterprise commissioner Duncan, do you have any comments or questions for Lee or Travis at this point? No, I think it's very clear, very straightforward. Thank you again for all the work that you've put into this and for doing the auditing to go back and check your numbers. I appreciate that. I have never other comments on that. Thank you. Commissioner Grove. Yeah, thank you, Leon. It's been not just a short term, but months and months and months. If not a year of work matching that we need to do for grants. That's all men accounted for. All of that is prior year. That's part of your carry forward cash. That's not included in this budget. No. We need to. We need to. We need to. We need to. We need to. We need to. we need to come up with more funds for that or what are we looking at? That has already been approved. Those are approved funds. That has nothing to do with 2425. Great. Any other questions regarding the operation budget? I think that's a good question. Great. Any other questions regarding the operation budget? Leave you a move on to enterprise If anyone needs a copy of the budget there's copies over here on the table So in the water department, we had an eliminated position on Friday, so that position is not going to be filled this fiscal year. So we were able to reduce the water department by that position. So that is the only change besides the admin. So we have the 17680 to 1352, the 2409, 8592. Those are the benefits for that employee because of those changes. And the addition in the ad men of 17.5. We did not need as much of a reserve and I've triple-checked this number. So we were able to reduce our water reserve by 18.17. So that's an additional 14,350 in the water department. Proceedably. For sewer department, the other half of the employee is the salaries, the Vica retirement, the group insurance, the 175 for the admin, the reserves had to be increased by $100 in 21. So that department is $12,412 of savings. So with all the changes in the water and sewer department, we were able to reduce expenses in the water department by $14,350, which leaves a surplus in the water by $216,323. In the sewer department, we increased expenses by 12,412 and that department is still in the deficit 69,598. CBO Creek is in the deficit by 5,01510. Battery Park is in the black by 255, which leaves a total enterprise reserve of 166,715. Comments regarding enterprise funds. Commissioner George. Our enterprise fund is in a lot better shape than our general fund. We're showing that we have a surplus in the enterprise fund of 166,000. What's deceptive about that is that the SUV FV that we charged every water and sewer customer between $9 a month, three individual, $95 a month, every business is projected to increase enterprise fund revenues by 720,000 and 372,000 of that will go towards paying the debt it was created to retire leaving 348,000 to basically prop up the enterprise fund. Now we spent two thirds of that with projected capital outlays in the enterprise fund, but this is something we need to look at moving ahead when that debt is retired, we'll be eliminating the SUV and we'll have to look at the funding in the enterprise fund. We provided substantial reserves in the enterprise fund as we're required to do under our DEP loan agreement, 12.5% of our operating expenses are reserved. So in addition to that, we're adding 166,000 to this surplus. So that's a positive note for the city. Are there any other questions regarding the budget at this point? So do you want to discuss the fee schedule today or do you want to call another workshop? I think still need in discussion or needs to be in discussion as the RPFunds in the hospital. And we have the fee schedule before today. Do we want to discuss the fee schedule now? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. The fee schedule, um, basically, it really hasn't changed because we have the 6th Street wreck in the community center available for rent. I think we used to rent the Holy Family at 500. I think I know it was lowered because we didn't have that was the only available venue for anybody to rent. So I put it back to 500 for the standard rate, 300 for discount and 100 security for the 6th Street wreck, 200 for the standard rate, 100 for the discount rate and 100 security deposit. the community center. The community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, a community center, that there's people who couldn't rent for only families and all that. 200 seems. Just. Whatever you decide. We are going to have to spend a salon getting it. Ready to. Okay. How much is the community center now? But all of them are the same. Sixth Street and community center are the same price. Now, the sixth street is at two when the community center is at three. Okay. I can't remember what we had rented in a month before. That's all you? the the discount refers to? The, for the Holy Family, the discount rate is 300. The standard rates five, the discount is three, and it's $100 security deposit for six-street rec. It's 200 standard. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't want you to have to repeat it. I meant what qualifies a person or an entity for a discount? It is a qualifying charity event and city employees. Are you okay with leaving the rates where they what's been presented? Commissioner and George? I concur with the changes. One more question on the event permit. Is that everything like the boat show, the porch fest, all of these, the H. Cola, everybody gets charged that? Or I guess if they're on a piece of property, they're using an event that's using battery park. the the the the the the the the Just one fee. We probably should be paying a charge in both. But I think the event forum just has a fee on it. We'll have to look at that. Yeah, it seems like a venue fee and then you've got the event fee. And the event fee, I think, needs to also encompass whether we're law enforcement's involved and those types of things. Cover expenses. Yeah. the public records. The public records are available to the public and the public records are available to the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public and the public The public records is the same, golf cart registration is the same, cemeteries is the same, gun range is the same, occupational license that's dedicated about organics, battery, the battery part marina and cpc marina nothing's changed other than live-a-boards we don't have any of those anymore yeah we don't have any live-a-boards anymore the library fee schedule I don't, unless I don't have a renewed library fee schedule. The old one. Okay. We'll get. I don't have to look at our recalls. Okay. Building department. Nothing's changed there. Planning and zoning. Re-added a commercial multifamily accessory structures, including decks and poles. A $250 fee for that. She added also a $50 fee for sign and then the parking mitigation, the $5,000 and an appeals fee for $500. Those two fees are actually mandated by law, the per communication and the appeals. The code enforcement they put in the significant trimming of a tree for $100. We changed that to Patriarch tree. So it matches the ordinance. Yes, instead of a heritage tree. I think the phrase like they may change it soon, but patriarch tree is what's in the ordinance. And then your utility billing, the only thing that has changed on this is that your water and sewer rates were increased, the standard 3%, nothing else has changed. So we have, are there any questions regarding the fees? I don't have any questions regarding the fees. So we have discussed on Commissioner George. But this is in the final because we don't have the library's revisions. I don't have them yet. Lise, are they significant changes or? Could you come up to the mic? I'm sorry. I won't pick you up on the recording if we don't. Thanks, Dennis. I know. Like efficiency. So in my apologies, I sent you the updated fee schedule after we'd had our first budget meeting together and I had put together the kind of a recap of what we'd gone over in the budget meeting. It's okay, I've got it right here. I'm sending it to you again right now, don't worry. But I've got it here. There are some actually significant changes to it. I mean, we still have always, well, historically in the time I've been here, we have an operating budget of less than $25,000. But as far as the fee schedule, we try to keep our fees also to a minimum for people. So what we currently have are scans are free. Black and white copies are 10 cents. We have color copies. We had to increase the price to 50 cents. So it's little things like that. I'm happy to send the updated schedule to you. Again. That's it. Thank you. So at this point, other than the Library of Feast schedule Commissioner George where you finish I apologize. Comments I'm sorry I'm having trouble hearing for some reason. Are you finished with your comments? Yes. Okay. Thank you. So what we have before us is a revised schedule budget with changes, recommended changes. Are you okay with moving forward with the proposed, are there any additional changes that you suggest? Commissioner George. Are there any additional changes or proposals that you suggest at this point? I don't have any additional changes. Commissioner Grove. Now I don't have any additional changes and comments at the end of the meeting though. Commissioner Duncan. Manager Wei. I don't. So are you. Would you like to move forward with, before I ask that question, do, is another workshop necessary? Again, we still need to discuss ARPA. We need to discuss grants, and we need to discuss the hospital. So do you want to have another workshop? Commissioner George. The hospital, we're gonna have to have a meeting for that. We have a scheduled date for that. We have a scheduled date for that. We have not did attorney Hartman reach out to each of you. Okay. Next week is regular schedule meeting. The next, the hearing is scheduled for the 10th. So we will need to schedule a meeting. I know the county is trying to wrap up their budget process as well. So tentatively, I think we said we would have a workshop if needed on 9-3 before the regular schedule meeting. Do we want to keep that date? Okay. Commissioner George. It's this for the hospital matter or because that's going to require a special meeting. I would because there's a decision to be made. So budget workshop will it take an hour to workshop, Arpa and Grant. What? I'm trying to determine, kind of break it down, if we can have a workshop and a special meeting all in on the same date, or do we need to bump the time to for instead of five. I'm trying to figure out what all we need to workshop for ARPA. I think we're waiting for some cost estimates that Manger Wade is putting together. I think, aren't you talking about having those ready for October or later in September? I mean, that's not connected with the budget. So give me your advice, commission. George, I'm just trying to figure out what all we have to do. I think Orpah is a separate subject apart from the budget. And I think we had a workshop in February and came up with ideas of how we would like ARPA allocated and manager weight is going to develop some proposals for a number of those items. And there's also some moving parts with grants we didn't receive grant opportunities we have. That will affect what we might. I mean, a topic we may have wanted to use or before before may no longer be necessary and vice versa. I don't think we're at a point where we can make those decisions without further information. I know there's some engineering studies are still in process and some decisions from the county we're waiting for. So I don't think that one's an immediate issue. The second the grants I'm not sure what the topic is for the grants. I want to make sure on grants I think it's critical that we know it could wait grants could actually wait to afterwards, um, because if there are any moving parts for 20, um, the upcoming 25, 26, 20, where are we going? 24, 24, 24, 25. Um, I would like to get ahead of that. So it could actually wait if we need to. I think Lee has indicated that all of those funds have been allocated and set aside for grants. So however, I know that there may be two. I know there's one that there are requirements within the grants that we will have to satisfy as far as employment and that type of thing. So we do, we will need to discuss that. And if we can get ahead of that, I would like to do that. So but it sounds like for the 23, the 24, 25 budget, we're comfortable with where we are. Am I hearing that from you Commissioner George? I believe so. I mean if we're going to have a workshop and special meeting about the hotspital we may be able to combine that with any remaining issues on the budget. So there'll any remaining issues on the budget. So there'll be minimal time on the budget. So if we can schedule with the county reps. Are you comfortable with having a special meeting workshop for the hospital before the 9-3 meeting. If we can schedule that. Yes. And if so, what time? 430. if we can schedule that will give an hour and a half discussion. I'm sorry. I think that probably would be necessary. I think we may be surprised at community involvement on that issue. So we if correct me if I'm wrong. We will not have another workshop, but we will have a special meeting, workshop, special meeting regarding the hospital's request. Is that correct? No additional budget workshops, but we do need to schedule a workshop and special meeting on the hospital issue. That's what I understand. Commissioner Grove is that your understanding as well. If you don't want to go into grants, I'm sorry, if you don't want to go and delve into grants before October. I think we're going listening to Commissioner George. I think we'll be okay for the budget itself, but we do need to talk. We do need to have that discussion. It will not affect 20 or 25 budget. Correct, Commissioner George. Correct. So are Commissioner George. Correct. So you. Commissioner. Yeah. George, you're okay with a 430 meeting. Yes. On 930. And so having said that the hearing for the next budget hearing, I apologize. First budget hearing is scheduled for September 10th at 6 p.m. Any other comments concerned regarding this budget workshop? Well, commentments Commissioner Grove. The old city, I mean the current city hall is bleeding a stride. The expenses to stay in that building are ridiculous. Have we come up with a Insurance utilities We have a bottom line on that building costing us each year What's what is it a lot of me and a half a million a half a year and we take in maybe I'm trying to build that way. 150,000 dollars. It's 150,000 as well as cost and I think it will be able to make it a little more fixed. 150,000 dollars in insurance utilities. Interest utilities, yeah. Cost. And I feel like we could get a USA. loan and build a new, smaller building that's energy efficient or move somewhere else than it's sucking a stride and we need to probably have a meeting or a workshop or something on what we can do with that because we are bleeding money out of that building. If I may, I've had this conversation with we are bleeding money out of that building. If I may, I've had this conversation with manager Wade regarding that building and I, after budget is over, I have tasked him to come up with some options and bring those before us, including what opportunities may be available for USDA grants. Moving relocate into another building, so he is tasked with that after budget is over. So that will be another discussion that will be having. So at some point you got to stop. Yeah. So if there are no other comments. May I have it? You have a comment? That's a no man. Okay. There are no other comments before us. I may have a motion to adjourn. Make them ocean. Have a motion by commission. A grove may have a motion to adjourn. Make them motion. Have a motion by commission or grove. May I have a second? Okay. Second by commission or George. All in favor? Aye. Meeting adjourned. Thank you so much for your time.