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I'm starting to the battle halls of the Cumberland County, Virginia Board of Supervisors to ensure a fair, orderly and safe meeting. Ms. Orange, please call for Mr. Hamlet. Here. Mr. Newman. Ms. Sarkley. Here. Mr. Stumsman. Here. Good evening. I'm on the call of the March 3rd, 2025. I was joined in workshop planning commission to order. Mr. Johnson, can you call for one please? Mr. Matt Seale. Here. Mr. Steve Donnew. Mr. Kevin Meadows, Mr. Hebert Allen. EO. Mr. Johnson, can you call it wrong please? Mr. Matzio. Here. Mr. Steve Donahue. Here. Mr. Kevin Meadows. Mr. Hebert Allen. Here. Mr. Steve Risen. Here. Mr. Harry Donahue. Here. Mr. William Flippett. Here. Do you believe that anyone that collected any invocation tonight? Father, we come to you, Ardent, thank you for this day. Thank you for the food. We all react and pray that you will be in tonight in Jesus' name. We now do the pledge of allegiance. I'm here to lead you to Mr. Coulier and the nice chase of America to consider how we will look at the stage of our nation and have your God and your visible liberty and justice for all. We have a motion to approve the agenda. We'll begin. I'm going to see the president. So move. Mr. Hamlet. Hi. I'm going to get the agenda. I'm going to move the agenda. I'm going to move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Move the agenda. Mr. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the radio station, and I'm going to go to the police station. Good evening, thanks. I'm going to go to the Board of Regents, I can't wait to go to the Board of Regents. Thank you for letting us be here today to give out presentations for our workshop. I'm going to be quite a commissionary, why do I have to do this? I'll try to thing one. I tried to speak louder. I have the privilege of, I guess, it's our third session with the planning commission, so I apologize if a lot of it seemed redundant to the planning commission. I think there's a lot of important information that we want to make sure that we're also sharing the the board since this is their first work session. On this project, what we would like to do, and I think you worked well last time, is I have with me Mike Lawless with GRC, as I think most of you know, GRC is the engineering firm that has been working with Green Ridge for years on this project. What we'd like for Mike to do is talk about what is involved in building and constructing and permitting a standard state of the art MSWL landfill. And also to go into detail, some of the steps that Green Ridge is taking above and beyond with the regulation for the wire, including a double wire system. And what that entails when it evolves, also, probably that I'm quite frankly what the cost of that is. But essentially, it's building this to a hazardous request to thank you for, for not having to go this is the last study, but. So what I'd like to do is turn this over to Mike. He'll have the beginning of the presentation and then out over some of the more details that we're still working with. Canning, staff, Johnson and County representatives and some of the details of the conditions, the big before the planning commission that I could talk about generally, what's gonna be included in the case when you understand it. And I think as you'll see, this is, we'll have a much less impact on the case that is originally approved back in 2018 and has some additional benefits to count it. So my turn is my story to you. Thank you. Well, we leave the folks appreciate the opportunity to speak with you tonight. Tonight, I'm going to go over some operational issues that are typical of the most penny landfill, but we'll also talk about some of the specifics that we're designing into the landfill here in common. We will talk about the double liner system, we'll talk about the Proudland Monitoring system, land for gas, monitoring and other management, leachate management system, the county oversight that this facility will have. We'll talk about traffic impact analysis, and we'll talk about post closure care, because even once the landfill is full, there are still requirements to monitor that landfill and take care of the grass and soil for at least 30 years after closure. So it's not like the landfill gets filled up and we walk away. There's a most closer care plan. Let's get submitted as part of. So the presentation, I guess we ought to identify what page you're off. Screen is behind the commission board, so just let them know what page you're looking at as they can't see the screen behind you. Thank you, school board. So now we're going to be looking at page 3, which is a cross-section diagram through a modern landfill. And we refer to these modern landfills as sub-title D landfills. And sub-title D is merely portions of the federal regulations that contain the desired the applicants for the water, urisable solar waste waste, also most of it, wasted the children. relations that contain the desired elegance for the water, municipal solar waste life is also most of the language culture. Is that on our run for a second? Yes. So just to ask a question, so out part of the kind of issue, we've heard this numerous times. So now, here here again tonight to sit here with the board as a judge. Why weren't they, I guess, delivered the same message at a separate time, had no time, by my own family? And now I get to do the same thing again. I'm not really happy with that. This is the same slide, same everything I've seen before, three times. And now I have to see you for some of the else. Well Mr. Metos, I think the thought process was to share the information with the PC, gather feedback, address issues, and then over a couple of meetings and then come back with the board and the PC is kind of a transition in terms of information sharing. So they should have been part of the being of the entire time. But that's me, the here and the there. But, again, I got to sit here and listen to slide. I can slide and we've asked questions, been given the answers to, so we have it, and now I have to sit here again, and take time away from my own family. I'm out of here with that. And we're here to answer the question, and I appreciate that. I mean, this is like an angry answer that one. Well, I can't answer it. We're set. These were set. And we're more than willing to participate. So I think it's important that at the information I present. I appreciate your participation. So could it be presented to the board and then we can meet it to board in the planning commission? Well the goal was to actually share this information with both entities here tonight. The board to hear perspectives of the planning commission, the planning commission to hear questions from the board and to share this background. but we have to hear their presentations one more time. Okay. and to share it to us. But we have here, there, presentation, one more time. OK. I appreciate it. I think I might be able to give any more. So this diagram on page three shows the cross section through the modern sub-type of D-Lland. So these are very different landfills from the old town dome. These are engineered systems, highly regulated systems that are designed to protect the environment and human health. You can see on the base of the landfill is the liner system, which we will take a look at a little more closely here in a couple of slides. On the left we have the landfill gas monitoring approach, which detects any landfill gas that could potentially migrate up from the landfill. On the far left there's a leachate tank where leachate when rainwater falls onto landfill, it's filters through the waste and moves down to the top of the lion system where there's a pipe that collects that leachate and it gets pumped to that tank and And then the leachate will be trucked off site to a treatancies. On the right hand side there we have some groundwater monitoring wells that are intended to monitor the groundwater around the landfill to make sure that there's no impact from the landfill. Then on the front right there, you see a gas flare. The landfill gas will initially be collected and just flared off. But when the waste decomposes enough, it's generated enough gas to be economical, then we can collect that gas and even generate electricity or create renewable natural gas. So it can actually become a resource. So now we'll move on to slide four. And this shows the groundwater monitoring network. And the direction of groundwater flow is shown on the map with the small blue arrows. This is the well-network that will be proposed to DEQ in the Part B application. You'll recall that the Part A application was the site in the study to demonstrate the site tovel for a landfill. And then the Part B is the actual design of the landfill, which includes the layout of the groundwater monitoring wells in the monitoring site. So right now we're showing those bringing the entire property. We're looking at at least 15 monitoring wells, although there may ultimately be more, depending on how the comments we get from DQ. But the point is that those monitoring wells are located in appropriate locations based on groundwater flow and subsurface soil and bedrock that they would be in locations to detectably, differently, somewhere to occur. And we have, and these will be the official wells that are set up to monitor the landfill. As part of the Part A, we did install about 45 or more warnings and actually 45 of those were converted to wells to monitor the quality the groundwater levels. So we have about seven years of water-loving data, so we've got a really good understanding of how the groundwater moves through the self-surface. So this may be one of the most interesting slides we're going to talk about tonight. We're on page 5 now. This is the double-liter system. And I'm going to talk about it from the bottom up instead of the top down. So at the bottom, we have what's called a controlled subgrade. And that basically acts as the foundation for the landfill. It consists of a compacted clay layer, but it's not necessarily constructed to be low burdened ability, although it will be low burdened, but it's really an act as a foundation for clay and fill as the land filled values. Above that, we'll have what's called a geosynthetic clay layer, and that is an impermeable layer of that like clay that acts to retardant liquids that could potentially be there in subsurface. And that has a permeability of a hundred times lower than a compacted clay layer. So when we first started designing these, sometimes the landfills would use a foot of compacted clay. This GCL layer takes the place of that and is actually less permeable, so it's more protective. Above that, above the, that geosimmetically layer, we had the flexible membrane layer, and that's that thick plastic high density polyethylene liner that is your impermeable layer. Above that we will have a drainage layer and that completes that first liner. The drainage layer is going to be between that and the provider of shallow reminder. So both that drainage layer will then have another GCL, another GIC composite clay liner. And above that, another flexible membrane ring liar. So in that above that'll have another geocomposite. So we've got two GCL layers, two of that impermeable play, and then two of the high density polyethylene membrane layers. And between those, we have this geocomposite that acts as a drainage layer. So if there are any liquids that are between the two liars, that will drain to the suns where the liquids could be accessed and tested if needed. So above that, topmost geocomposite is where we have a leech-a portion of the liner system, and that would consist of a perforated pipe with either sand or gravel around the pipe to help filter out anything on my clogged pipe. And so that's where your leachate moves down through the waste. It's that pipe and then is gravity fed to a sump, and then it gets pumped up to the tank where it will be held on site until it's trucked off site to another two-off-side tree system. So above that leachate collection drainage layer, we have what's called a fluff layer, and that's going to be the first layer of waste that's placed in the landfill. The operator is going to segregate the waste to make sure this is the soft, non-metallic, non-rock, not angular material that's going to be about a foot thick on top of the liner system before any other waste is placed off there. So that kind of outlines what that double liner system is. And again, the Virginia regulations only require a single liner system. So this is being designed to a higher standard to be more prepared. So now if go to slide six with odor management. Two of the biggest contributors of odors and landfills are wastewater treatment plant sludge and process law and the applicant has said this land will not accept either sludge or process law. So two of the biggest contributors to odor production will not be allowed to life. There may still be some odors to a much lesser degree and that's where we'll have the landfill gas capture and control system because that's how the owners escape from the landfill is through that gas so the objective would be to collect that gas and like I said initially put to a flaring station or an off eventually it would be a value resource that we can use to make energy and generates a revenue. Slide 7 is that Leachate Management System. And again, the idea here is that the And Leach A is collected in that Leachate collection system of liner and it's fed to sumps and they get pumped to a tank and then they'll be hauled off site to retrieve the system and we'll retrieve it. If we look at slide 8. Slide 8 talks about the county oversight, where there will be a county employee that will be at the facility that's able to evaluate operations, inspect those operations, inspect waste. Really it's a representative of the county, make sure that the county's interests are being protected during the operation of the system. Slide nine. We have done the traffic in that analysis. It's a bit of that to Vida and got some response from them. We're looking at about 75 waste hauling trucks per day. And most of those will be coming from the east around 60 and then kind of get a fine road road to the entrance to the landfill off the iron road. We will also be working with the to evaluate the pavement and with the mine road road to determine if upgrades are necessary based on the 75 waste haulage trucks per day. So there may be a need to be up the pavement or pay the shoulders, but whatever improvements are needed would be able to be accomplished within the existing right way. Slide 10 shows what a landfill looks like after closure. it becomes a hill covered with grass and it can be used for other purposes. Some communities have solar panels, either on the landfill or around the landfill. Some have recreation trails in the area. Bedford County actually uses theirs for model airplane. So there are some things that you can do with the property after it's closed. Like I said, part of the Part B application will be the post closure care program which will include at least 30 years of continued monitoring with groundwater and gas, mowing with the cap at least twice a year, and then evaluation of the soils on the cap in case we get a dry period and there are mud cracks that open up in that soil, we go ahead and repair those to maintain the integrity of that cap. The cap also has one of those flexible memory liners that's under, underneath the landfill, who also can cap on top with flexible liners, as well as the soil and vegetative liners. We'll move that element, turn it to you. Next slide. The next slide is what is Greenwich now? It is a non-hazard, a sedentary landfill that has to be committed by BQ, and ultimately operated green ridge. The pair of company is a national public-literated covering GFL. We've gone through and as we've discussed before, what we're doing initially is to come in. We need to get this open as quickly as possible again. So this first phase is coming in with zero impacts. It's not discussed to anyone, it's any shrubs. And so there'd be initially approximately 104 acres available for disposal under the current DQ permit request. As Mike said, we have submitted, and it was years of testing and analysis, I think, spent more than $20 million to date. And dealing with the Part A suitability is this a suitable landfill. And we got that approval from VQ, and now we're proceeding with the Part B permit, which again is a very detailed exhaustive analysis and design. Some of the things that we're coming in here is, and as you'll see, is the scope of this given some of the conditions that we are suggesting and agreeing to will greatly reduce the impact of the scope of the landfill. Michelin we came in in 2018, the Cup had, that it could have a maximum of 650 acres of waste disposal area, it was anticipated to be a 24-7 operation. And that has changed. And we would be relocating PagroRO. And talking to the community, talking with BQ, we revised the permit request and requesting that conditions in this case reflect that there's a commitment that PYRORORO, which was a major issue of the relocation, not be relocated. So under this COP is its proposed that Byron Road will not be relocated. As a result that has a major impact on the ultimate size of the landfill, a major impact. And we know even though we're coming in and a little over a hundred acres,, that can only be expanded if we ultimately get federal and state permits to impact jurisdictional waters, wetlands, streams. But even if that happens, we know that scope and size is greatly reduced. So as you see in the conditionally used permit, a couple of conditions, we have suggested there be a cap on the waist disposal to slash it from 650 acres to no more than 350. We've also put in there that we will not be 24-7, so there will be hours of operation and limitation. And the other thing that we're doing is, in order to avoid all impacts to wetlands, in order to get this up and running as quickly as possible, we would have to cross the wetland to access directly through root to 60. And so we have come in in order to eliminate that impact, to be able to access and build this as soon as possible. We're looking to come in on Pine Road Road initially. But what we're doing is putting severe limitations on that access. So in the company would say that the maximum that you could receive on a daily basis from Pine Road Road would be 1,500 tons of that. That's about 75 tractor trailers. And we would put in the cop not only that there would a cap of not just an average per day of 1,500 tons a day, but also add in there that it couldn't involve 175 tractor trailers. So putting a limit, not only on the tons per day, but the number of tractor trailers that they can be used. And there'd be no on Sunday. We've also put in the DQ permit request that this landfill can only accept the Jimmy Ways. When countyways came to the county, that was the goal. As I had serious C4, he explained a number of times. He saw that he was a great, stringing of capacity. And that Schussmith, he predicted, it was ultimately going to the Schussmith but he was served power-taining or served power-taining, cummerland, and such a Virginia area. He was going to close. He predicted it, he was right. Schussmith to say, there's no longer accepting a resolution to waste. And then as a result, two companies will only be almost at any percent of the private landfill passing. That has to have a major impact not only on the capacity going forward, but also the price. I think the county has probably seen a last year to some pretty significant increases in cost and waste as well, to talk about in a minute. But it's wide, but county waste and LGFL is looking to serve its customers. It serves several hundred thousand customers, including Cumberland customers, weren't have access to landfill that they could serve that community. So they there was a 2018 we explained that but the permit and the conditional use permit no allowed for the out- out of state waste. We amended our permit request to be given to specifically say it could only accept the genuine waste. And at 3500 tons a day, plenty of us, GFL, can accommodate, I mean, they have the capacity for that waste. That's the number of customers that are serving in Central and Southwest. We are still also committed to no sludge and process construction debris. We have in the original conditions permit, at least the wide-roability to use fly ash for beneficial purposes. There is cover or if you're using it to roads internally or to build a barn. There was a question from the community if we don't want fly ash generally. So as part of this condition we use permit. We are making the affirmative statement and we want it to impose that there will be no fly ash, whether it's a beneficial purpose or not. There's no fly ash as part of this project. So why didn't County Ways and LGFL need you to want this landfill? As I touched upon just a moment ago. They made a determination that all the ways, and that the reasons why so much waste, the paddle state waste, it's shipped to Virginia, using rail lines and trucking routes and what can be taken down here and then shipped back to the Northeast. But they made a determination that they're be at this point in maybe nine years of disposal capacity remaining from their analysis, and that almost all other private landfills are except out of state quastes because the truck remains in the red line at the very profitable. Smith as I said, stopped accepting waste in 2023 and it started the closing process. I think when I looked at the budgetary documents and Mr. Stamy in the presentation, maybe to the final point on the way I looked at it was that in 2023, your waste disposal cost in couple of counties projected that budget was exceeded by almost $175,000. This is an example of the example of the work of the cost. And I think in 2023, your waste disposal budget was about $962,000. As I'll talk about it in a moment, one of the commitments that Green Ridge has made is not only that the Canadian Senate here are except counting waste from residents, but also to serve as your existing Canadian units centers and to dispose of the waste that comes to your unit centers, which will be significant cost savings. They will continue to grow at the time. And this is a response to two companies owning 97% of the land through a private land through a passing. The competition is good. It keeps your costs lot. In terms of the next slide is why I come to the county. The Confounding Waste Analysis was who we serve. And when they're primarily serving in Virginia, our central Virginia and Southwest Virginia, probably 70 to 80% of the waste comes from the Central Virginia area. Two thirds from Southwest. And so as I'll show you in a moment, the problem that is sort of in the epicenter of the service area that kind of waste services. You evaluated, I have four sites in Cumberland County. Mainridge chose this site, which was approved by the Board of Supervisors in 2018. Quite frankly, the board wanted this site on the eastern edge of Cumberland County. And one of the primary reasons is, one, the direct access offer of 16, so it was ideal to give them the most of the ways that's coming from the east to the west. The board wanted, it is far east as we could have a landfill, because 75% of the traffic is coming from the east, so about 25% to 30% is actually traveling through Cumberland County. Next slide shows you why Cumberland was such an ideal site. Cumberland had had a landfill approved in the past. It had been an issue with that company. And ultimately, it had built, I know, that Cumberland had made a lot of financial decisions between this beautiful high school based on that project. But this is within a mile or so where that landfill is going to be. But as you see from this slide, we've got the triangle where the landfill will be located. and then the little markers, little other smaller triangles, show you essentially the transfer stations. What happens is, counting waste has transfer stations throughout this area, probably about a 30-mile radius around the transfer station. I didn't gravitate that in the same way ways and you take a little tractor trailer so you can take it the way. And so as you can see from here, the Green Ridge landfill is not really looking into sort of market and the genuine customers in any way, sir. This is showing what was the preliminary cyclan And that's going to be part of the solar system, anyway, serves. This is showing what was the preliminary cyclan, and that's got an important condition of use program. You've seen in the poll, where they've been from the initial waste disposal area will be. And then we've identified where possible expansion is going to occur if we get the necessary progress. The next one is on terms of the top. As I indicated, we've impacted the size of the landfill, the hours, amount of truck traffic, the volumes of the waste, the ones that we're doing in this case is initially, if you receive up to 5,000 tons a day, we know that this would be your size and scope. It's not going to be a five-day, it's not going to be a five-day landfill. And so what we're also suggesting in the condition is permit. And I know there was a lot of concern in some in the community about the amount of waste per day being 5,000. We're suggesting that there would be an absolute daily capital 35 or something like that substantially lowering the amount of waste on the daily basis, the food, etc. This is a chart that next to me, how does Green Ridge change since previously approved? This is added to how it based on some of the feedback we got in earlier planning commission meeting. You should have not only the original design, the current design, we have under the party that might be discussed. We have a party approval, so we know that the maximum expansion under the party is if you have a waste disposal. Assuming you get permits, an old state work permits, which is the third column. third column. And one is, if we amended the Part A and with it, and that was approved, and then got further the final state permits, what is the single root barbs that could be? And so that's what this chart is showing. Initially, we had a maximum of 650 acres, but we listed the above to somewhere over 500. The current design is 104 acres. Probably the end of 170 under the car name. If we get the federal state permits, and then under no circumstances, we'll be more than 350 acres. The other thing that not only low- the Pine Rover does, is it substantially lowers the height of the landfill. And one of the things we're going to be putting in the conditional use permit is a height cap. How high it could be. That's going to be a number that's based on sea level. That's more scientific and exact. Standard, but obviously we're hundreds of feet above sea level at this location. But at ground level the original design is going to be about 330 feet above of the local area, Current design, we'll get a total state, four permits, we'll be about 140 feet max under the current part A, we'll be about 200 feet and then if we got it amended, it'll be 225 feet. Which is probably well, even under that scenario is well under, at least 100 feet less than, was originally opposed. We also reduced the number of houses within a half area, a half mile, and then showing how, with part design we have zero impacts to weapons and what impacts the streams. Currently on our part A, one reason why, once we can move forward in part B, get this constructed as soon as we can, is we're having zero impacts to a little stream is a word. I'm asking a question. Yes. Excuse me. In limiting the height, is there any additional depth to the pole? Yes. That's why it's not here. No, we're not looking at significant extreme. And actually, how is the signal? We're still working through all that that but it's probably somewhere between five and ten feet. We don't want to excavate too deep because we want to maintain a separation between the bottom of the landfill and the water tape. So the depth will be dictated by where that water tape is so we maintain a three-foot separation. And so then your height is based on three to one slopes, which is what's required by using your closure, so that takes place. And that's why we've been putting the cap in the initial. next slide. This gives you a visual of how much this code has been managed over time. This was the original design approved by the board supervisors. We're basically having these in the west area. This is the current design. There's about 104 acres there. I think we need the U.S. disposal area? Now, obviously, we have hundreds and hundreds of acres of buffers. So, for example, minimum of 200 foot buffers. And we're buffers from any residential property. And then the next slide. It's one of the things talking to staff. We're an idea of a phasing plan, how are we going to be building it, phasing it over time? So we have submitted a suggestion showing how this will be phased. The time we've done, we'll just open up the entire site. You're going to be doing the relatively small pieces of time and building what it's doing. And part of your part being chromat is to show what your general phase employment is. And so we're submitting a document to say, okay, this is where, how the project will be phased over time. And if we have expansions, where are those expansions? topic that came up was where you located your action, each egg tank that's system, especially the kind-wrote road, we make sure that was a of the useful to take. So we submitted a preliminary draft for staff on the review. And a lot of, obviously, I really was subject to DQ's ultimate approval, where the cheek existence would not be located. And so that this is what this happened to yellow as saying, we're not going to be having the V-Chake tanks any way close to the perimeter of the profit essentially. I will say that we're still working with Stanford. We know that there are going to be a number of conditions that are different from the existing condition use for it. The biggest one obviously is no relocation of pygros road. And the other thing that was a question of alcohol, there could be even though you're approving pygros road in terms of asphalt, whatever it requires, there may be damage caused during the construction of the track and. So what we said is what a condition that says that during the construction not only will make the improvements that be not requires but will maintain a road road section for the construction of a project and also as long as tractor trailers are accessing pyro-road, repair and damage from the tractor trailers that come in. One of the things that is in this case is that, we've cut the tonnage from 5,000 tons a day to 35, 100 tons a day. Ultimately, we do want to connect to 160. I mean, that's when you can go to 35, 100 tons a day. That is our colon aspiration, the mogueratage will get the permits. That is our goal. So what we have suggested in the conditional use permit is that once we access route 60 so that we can go up to 35 million tons a day and serve the anyways customers, we will close the pie group to accepting waste. And the other thing we've discussed is, you know, coming up with some language, because our commitment is, at some point, after you start operating, you try to get the permits of the allowing expansion, that we would try and submit an application for those permits within a certain period of time after the Atlantic comes operation. One of the biggest things that we've said is the double-wire system. If you move back here in 2018, that kept coming up again and again and again. People wanted a double-wire system. I even though it's not what's required of the EU, and as Mike said, since about 1993, the standards for land spill have dramatically improved and increased. But the EU does not require a double-liter system. I mean, a single lighter system. I mean, a single composite lighter system, so it's pretty extensive. And you don't know of anyone that has failed in the country. But what we've done is made a commitment and put into conditional use for that. You don't do without the lighter system. But that's essentially, I think, all right. But almost equivalent to a hazardous wasteland for a wasn't You know, this is the US Navy's lengthbook. But that commitment is to give you the scope of what that means. That's probably an excess of $80,000 a neighbor at all. And so with 100 acres, that's about $8 million. And if you've got the expense, it would be more than today's That's an added benefit and added protection for the community that we're committed to. A lot of people were concerned about the 24 hour nature of the operation. So we've reduced the number of hours. The other thing that really came through, what wasn't prepared for folks in leadership in the county was there was a problem in common with, and it's not a common for the world communities of how do people dispose of their anyfrees and modes of, because that has a real environmental impact if you're just dumping it in the wind or it goes into the string. It's only a problem. And so looking at how we could address it, Greenwich is making the commitment of health care of those fluids. And so as part of the community center, we have to tweak the initial use permit because technically that's considered hazard of choice, you don't know the source. So we're having to tweak the initial use permit to allow it. But we'll accept that and go into the tag, the initial use permit, how we have to treat that. that is not going to the landfill. That's getting shipped all- site to the appropriate facility. That's a major benefit, we think, to couple of pounds. The other thing that came up, people concerned about the lighting of the humble landfill, and one of the conditions to have for your rain to is the too is the dark sky for the flight. The sky goal is not to be seen. I will say, and we will obviously discuss this with County, the one thing we want to make it clear, as I think of many of you know, the landfill, there's incredible costs up the flood in the land. All of a sudden, in size is a massive investment in the gotta bag. And then the big of the landfill can recruit that. Even though we are slashing the ultimate size of the landfill in the matter of waste, you can accept where Green Ridge is not back in the LR, or any of the direct financial benefits to the county. So this is a sheet I go that if this is all being maintained, we're still talking about some other things we might be able to do to realize how much we know about it. But the host fees, those commitments, remain the same for time and then the guarantees and then the savings from the free disposal for the county, that's going to be a huge ticket now that's going to be a grow over time. So even at under the current structure, we think it's going to be a me and a benefit, at least a minimum, half-powers to a couple of times. Additional benefits. One of the things that Mike had mentioned was the landfill gas. That's in the corner of Post-Greyville. But especially since we're not accepting sludge, one reason why I don go with any private landfill that doesn't accept sludge. Sludge is very attractive to the landfill. It causes greater, but it's incredibly profitable because it's very dense, doesn't take a much room, we can actually eat some of the waste. That's when it celebrates your smell. Those landfills and out of robbos, so smell, it's this large. And that's why, generally, came up and did board that to be, was it, was it, you're proud of this? That he proactively suggested we're going to call Banner as well as a process of the law of law. But the gas revenue ultimately, it's going to take a little bit more time since we've always have a select and we'll be nearly as much gas. Over the next six years or so, you're going to have a system capturing it, selling it, and that can be a profitable source of revenue to the county. Because I're getting 10% of the revenue that's generated from the revenue-cantra system. And we've obviously indicated supporting the CDL and the Canada Education Programs paying the full cost of a county employee to monitor the landfill and the to be sure, the way it should be done. I will also note, you might correctly find wrong when you're constructing the landfill. There is a third party professional engineer that is supervising everything, doing, and submitting the reports to be included on this, but also be submitted to public talent. To make sure everything is being done exactly the way it's supposed to be done under the government of the DQ program. And obviously going on a major impact on businesses and capital investment. The initial phase of this project is $75 million, and the dollars that we explained that comes more. The next thing is just, I think the green wage is demonstrated. It wasn't a valuable number of the community. I had a seven year track record. Even starting out, it might not have to be the top. You know, you know, a lot of people didn't think from the beginning of being a good neighbor and trying to support the county and the community. So this is the list of some of the things that Green Ridge has done over the last seven years, including when there was a budget crisis, pre-paying for $100,000 on the tip fees and guaranteed tip fees, even though we hadn't had many permits, it's contributed to scholarship programs. It is committed at $4 million for new parts for a couple of counties to name it for you. And also helping with that, I would say. As we said, there are a number of protections that are being provided to the groundwater monitoring. And also, we have a probably understanding at this point that given the part A approval, the amount of analysis in the community, we know so much more about this site than we did at the point. It is an detailed analysis. Not only do we know that the groundwater flow, how it flows, the rare flows, of course, I think it may be one problem, but that's where the actual fall of the residential problem. But before we open up, we're also monitoring what's in the water, because one of the things we do is you don't have that baseline. So, I'm sure testing if you can compare it to what the quality was. Now, full of the length of the load. And this is activities today. And I would say there are a lot of industries out there that probably are more impact. Maybe a landfill, they don't have nearly the exhausting analysis in safe parts. So that's a good thing. A landfill perspective. These are some of the things that we've done today. the part A to the years because we were looking at most every conceivable aspect from the geology, culture resources, to get order seismology, traffic, looking whether they're in the threat or in the human-driven species. It's an exhaustive list. That's been completed. Now, actively working with DQ on the Part B permit, because that is so exhaustive, what we're trying to do is get as much as we possibly can light this mill. That way, we can expedite the procedure. The plan is to actually file the formal part of the permit in the next month. What you have on the part B permit is I'm briefly said, because of the detailed design of the landfill itself. and it includes a number of aspects which is not only the design, how it can be constructed, closure, closed closure, plans, the PGA management plan, modern plan, financial services, they will do, which is best to do. One thing I will also say, and this is important, I know the Pine Road School is very important side of this art significance, and our view of that, we were never going to relocate Pine Road Road and then eyesight school. but we made it for the commitment not to relocate hydro-right, but because of the extensive operating, it's part of the process, we're going to be part A. We actually flew balloons at the highest level and we thought the land was big. And then we take photos from different sites to see what you can when it is fully built out that age. And what we discovered is even under the original height, you won't be able to see any portion of the landfill from the Pinebroke schools. This photo that I have up here is on the public road right in front of Pine Brother School. Obviously, that's even more of the case now as we're going to be substantiating lower than most originally the existing. It's a lot of greenery in that picture. Yeah, there's a lot of green. Yeah, there's a lot of emigrating trees. I mean, especially being the kind of farry that was being done in agriculture. We're very fortunate to have a lot of having great trees. So we're very kind, and that's part of the permanent to the extent that it does happen to any additional spring. That's going to be part of our part B. So we're very confident that we're not going to be seeing from the virus. So that's a summary of where we are and there's still working on some of the details of the specific conditions. But with county staff, I think they were basically there. I think we appreciate the ability to be here. I'm excited to know about the landfill, what it is, what it isn't, and how it's changed over the years. I think we've met, now it's here obviously in 2018, and I think we put through a systematic list of what were the major objections? Now, size of could be known, the timers could be accepted today to go with the waste theoretically, come from, and we bet each of those commissions and trust those we've So thank you for your time. I'd like to answer in the questions and it will be forward to planning commission hearing. I have a couple questions for you. approximately how long do you think it will take to fill the landfill at 15 hundred tons today? If we didn't get any expansion, I would say you're probably looking out for a material on that exact hour, but I think you're probably looking at 20, 20 years. OK. At 100, 100, 80, 50, that's one reason why you're going to start the north, west, and also 30, 100. OK. And you mentioned that the Eardware ofARM on law to monitor the landfill for 30 years after its fall. Yes. What was that monitoring that consisted of? It would continue with quarterly ground water monitoring with all the monitoring wells. New compliance network would sort of include landfill gas monitoring, mowing with the landfill cap, evaluation recovered, make sure the integrity of the covers the work needs to be. Other Niagara requirements is how thick that cover needs to be. I know the question. Yes. The rest of the picture. Yes, there is a, there's about a foot of clay and then there's the synthetic membrane, plastic, HDPE liner, and there's a foot of topsoil and then vegetation. Okay, and you mentioned that it could be used for recreational activities. Yes. You said building trails and everything, so there's no risk that people being there are an animal coming in digging and something or... I mean, that's one of the things of doing the inspections of the caps to make sure you're not getting any animals borrowed into the cap and if you borrow them, okay, get them out of there. But it may also be that you go on to open it up to recreation in the first 10 years, but maybe after it's had time to set all there's less gas generation, but maybe that's an appropriate time. Thank you. One thing is basically to encapsulate this on the bottom, on the bottom at the top, right right? Yes. Now, I ask you a follow-up question. It's related to the height. So it's about if you have all of your permits and you get the Expansions that you want, it's about 50% less Space allocated to the landfill, 30% less height, and 30% less waste. How does that work out? Is it just not going to be this for as long a time? That's the only variable I can see. Is this the time of the collecting weight? It's also before with the original design we were looking at two large landfills. If we were to do the theoretical maximum expansion as the program is currently configured it will probably be three or four smaller landfills so you're losing some airspace that way too. The tide is also... Right, so I'm still trying to figure out, I mean, the only variable I can see is the amount of years you're taking the waste. Because if before you had the 500 feet height, I don't remember what it was, but I did the math. If you, the only variable that could account for it is for the amount of years that you take to height. So your original was 500 acres of disposable, right? If you get what you want, you have 340. So that's 30% reduction per hour. If you have a 330-foot height and you get what you want, that's 225, so that's about another third, right? But then you're getting 5,000 tons versus 3,500 tons, that's 30% less. So the only variable I can see to account for the, that change can be the amount of years you're taking to waste. Is that correct? That's part of it. Another part of it is with the original design, that 330 foot height, there would have been a lot more area at 330 foot of height. Now with the 225 height, it's a much smaller area. It's going to get to the 225. So you have to account for the angle of the size. When the other one you one you build an account or this way, so you had, I guess I get that. So the area of accounts to correct. Okay, you got it. That makes sense. I've got a question. That being said, when this landfill, or as we infill, has added some accident capacity in 22, how many years, what's the total tonnage that you would say is a massive capacity? That's under without any additional expansion or partners. Correct. Oh. I'm going to have to ask your partner. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It will be based on, I mean, if we're right now, the permit, I believe, is 30 million cubic yards. So that's a theoretical maximum based on the layout that was approved in the Part A. That could change in the Mark B based on the specific design. If there are future expansions, there would be limits on the amount of waste that couldn could be placed in those expansion areas, also based on the configuration of those discourse. You said 30 million cubic yards. I believe that's correct. I believe it's 1.65, but don't hold me to that. I've got a lot of numbers swimming around in my head, but I can get you down. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, and I can get you the precise number. But they just, when they do, because different ways and materials have different densities, What do you put the number and the department that want to put it basically in the R and ACES? I appreciate that answer. You also said, in my case it was, one of the first slides about groundwater monitoring. And we made a statement to make sure there's no impact. The groundwater impact. I'm trying to wrap my head around. You've got wells drilled to monitor ground water. Obviously if they come up contaminated there's been an impact ground. So I don't understand the to make sure that there's no impact ground water because if it comes up in your test pool that there's been an impact then you're already at that point. Am I missing something there? No I think the idea is if there's a if there ever was to be a breach to the line or the first place you can see it is in your drainage layer between the two likely it's. So that if there's a reach in that upper liner, it hits that drainage layer and then goes to the sub. So we can test that and see that it was a leak. And that would meet before it got through the lower liner. So that point there would be no impact to groundwater. If both liners would be breached and it was to get to groundwater, then the next question is, what are the concentrations, how is it moving, and what are we going to do to do to not, and that's where that auditorium, well that work really, comes into play, is to work out those two tales, how you could have just pulled them. One thing in terms of groundwater, when you learn to know exactly what's going on, but it's also, people realize how slowly the groundwater moves, it's like you're trying to put it as close to the waste boundaries as possible. So, therefore, if you, we did this whole process with a modern system, we did that all kinds of redundancies, and there's something happening, but it's highly unlikely what is your safe guard detection, and what kind of thing do some of that. So, I appreciate what it's happened, we've been through this, any real chance of getting courage, but we want to add the moderate to in there. So if it does, it's a result. What'd like, Desi? Oh, go ahead. Well, two follow up questions to that, if you will. This double liner system, is it earthquake-perfect? We've done the seismic analysis to show that the site is suitable for landfill. So with the double line or would be appropriate for the seismic seed, we see it in the area. Okay, so the ground use is not going to cause cracks in the ground line. Correct. That's part of the part A system. The extent of statics to see is the sue. That's one of the biggest issues. Yeah, in fact, we did some additional signs of miscellaneous evaluation during Part A, just to make sure that that was the case. So, I mean, the way you present it sounds almost whole proof. I don't know if Greenbridge would be willing to put in writing a guarantee of no groundwaterwork contamination. We're submitting everything in terms of our studies and what we have to do. I mean that, and that's why we made the added commitment to basically build this hazardous place in the state. So the answer would be no, right? I'm addressing our saying. I'll talk to the client below what we're doing is all you can do is, and that's part of what you've seen us do, what steps, if for some reason, and if it's either reason that there's a leak, then we've got protections in what steps we have to take to ensure that it doesn't have that. And one thing I will also say is once it gets that groundwater well, what is your plan to make it so it's not impacting? The one groundwater well? Well, you're doing these tests. And you find that there's an impact. What is your remedy for that? It would depend on what the concentrations are, what type of chemicals that we see, a lot of the old, online landfills we see organic, constituents like benzene, panthinners, and those types of things. And so there we're looking at what the concentration is, and where the nearest drinking water well, or stream stream is down gradient. And then we look at how is that constituent going to naturally break down before it gets there. And if it will naturally break down before it gets to that receptor, then we're just going to monitor it to make sure it's degrading. Like we think it's going to be great. If that that's not the case then you look at controlling the flow of the groundwater Either through pumping well to reverse that groundwater gradient that direction pull it back Or in some cases if it's widespread enough you do slurry wall That captures that all behind the slurry But that's the other thing that Healing with it if you look at landfills, that's why we were saying is we're not aware of a sub-tile of the landfills. It is a complete, a complete sub-tile of the, one of the problems you have is these older landfills, and they go out And I've got a county has a couple of online landshorts. But in your hedge, I'd like to... these older landfills, and they go out to Latin America County as a couple of online landfills. But you have a lot of situations where it was an older landfill. It was then expanded under the new regulations, but you still have the portion of the landfill. There was under the pre-1993 sub-type of the The The way landfills should be is completely built according to the new regulations. That's one of the advantages of this project has. Without building on an old existing landfile. What happens in 30 years when another planning commission is sitting around talking about building landfills? They say, but we're not building it like Cumberland County Building because that's the old model we're doing it. We've seen that there has leaks in those models, but now we've got a new system. All I can say is we don't know if anyone in the country is late under these standards. If you look at for example, that's why we came up with the double line. I mean, I just, you were building it to have you slice land bills. And if you look at the liner on that geosynthetic play, I mean, it's tend to whatever, but I mean, it's the density of that is extraordinary. And that's just the underlying that the two motors will play about the composite wires. And if it's not guaranteed, then you ought to be able to put it here and to you. I would say in terms of the standard, the right length compared to a lot of uses and even agriculture uses are very valuable. One of the things that I mean, I'm feeling as you've got a lot more safe for us here for a lot of other uses than maybe. I'm going to count the number one, the buttons, length, mancrats. Do you have those? I mean, you already contracted those and they're all there established. We contract with contract and they pay for the credit. So you have the established? I will say, the way back to me, I was approved by the U.K. University of Michigan. We bought the credits that are needed in the Github Province. in central Virginia. I believe in that, yes. We've all been credits. They're needed in a different price. Right. In central Virginia? I believe yes, yes. Okay. I wrote it as, are there, meet-up recommendations for a term-line or a taper? There's a, currently, recommendation for a taper. We're working with them on the design, the entire road, and the entrance, so there may be some tweaks to that. That's where they are right now. The impact statement did not make it. It is extraordinarily likely to be used for a road and they might have traffic or just general raises. Have you all had downpacks? Have you ever been downpacks? Many, many times. likely to use road and the amount of traffic just generates. Have you ever been down for many, many times? So you've traveled it and looked at light, if you've been down for many, many times? Well, I've been working on this for seven years. It's not that likely of a travel route anymore. There's a lot of construction going on in that area. And it's a very nearer route. A lot of people use that route daily. I'm one of them. I'll be glad to give you that. I mean, we had a detailed traffic in that analysis. You know, in that area and it's a very nearer route. A lot of people use that route daily, I'm one of them. I'll be glad to give you that. I mean, we had a detailed traffic in that analysis, you know exactly. Eight years ago, seven years ago. No, but then the last two years. Okay. And the county has that traffic. Moving on, the route 60 entrance, are you willing to acquire that prior to expanding to the 3,500 tons of data? Absolutely. The way we've done the conditions for that is we can't go over the 159th today on a high rev so in order to get the way we're going to structure in order to expand the landfill, we've got to have the root system access. The 16 full-time jobs that you mentioned are these jobs are coming to come in residence. And we may not commit, but I think in the highest agreement that they give an eyes to our artists. Nothing like a leaf state chemist or anything in there that we wouldn't have in our skill sites. Okay, okay. Okay and recycling, I think you, as a fellow satirist, until then? Yes. Are you going to keep that urban water if they can't be run over the cost line? I only think the thing that we need to inspect whenever is coming in. So what we're trying to do is as long as our land flow is open, we can be in center, can you imagine that? We have a hard time extending the hours that the land flow is close. So we can look at those hours, we're trying to match those up. and family of the first type of client, I will look up for it. So we can look at those hours, we're trying to match those up. And how many, the dark sky compliant on the left flaring? I mean, the flaring produce is somehow flat too, so. Yes, it does. And we will manage that according to the dark sky program. We have other facilities. There's one in Broadwater, the twilight, the rich Mark and we manage what that flare is. So, and, you know, if it's far enough, in the future we're generating enough gas, to generate energy. We're not going to be flaring at that, and we're going to be capturing it in music. That's my class in the terms of that animation. But, can I ask a question? Sure. So I'm gonna try that. That's the best way I know. So in 2018, my own savings, CUP with approved, or a super-fast approved, correct? Yes. So did the... You approved it with that one time? Sorry? Did the DQ... No, did you have... Did you have built at that time? Sorry? Did you approve? No, you should have built at that time. Yeah, the start operation. No, you would have to, once you make the money, you've got to have the zoning approval. No, no, no. I said it in 2018. Yeah, you have to get the zoning approval and then you see red in terms of the permitting is this demonstrates given all the extensive analysis and also code, I mean, we, code works in 2021, we lost a couple years. I mean, as of this firm in the staff, this responding from the state standpoint. So, but as I'm indicated, this tells you the the level of analysis across the goes in, these things take a lot of time. Because... But as I'm indicated, this tells you the lovable analysis across the goes in, these things take a lot of time because you're trying to be extremely careful. One of the biggest things is to demonstrate to be to you that you've got a suitable site. And that took years. So we have a approval now. We have what's known as the Part A, who says, okay, it's done in phases. You've demonstrated that this site is suitable for landfill. Now you've got to go to the specific design and look at what it's going to look like, and all the different operational plans that are attached to it. That's what we've been working with the key. So that's happened in 2018. That's not happened in 2018. One of the, it's not a straightforward permanent process. You cannot cement an application to DQ until you get local government approval. And in order to get local government approval, we've got to have the correct zoning, and in many cases, the condition needs for that. So we have to get the zoning and the CUP in place before we can even submit an application. Which had one of those things in 2008? Yeah, we did. Yes, and that was when we started trilling all the boards and levels to do do with the university. I'm trying to figure out what happened between 2018 and then. I'm telling you what, we can, I know the county hasn't been given, we need to be a staff and documents and studies that we've been doing. That's an interesting thing, but staff and documents and stuff. It's all I need to get it's about the use of the V-Time by DQ. It's a long process. I just give you a feel, I mean, as I said, I as of today we can spend, you need me to work this volume into this project. They've spent my $12.28 a day on the bottom. If you have a deadline, you can work to put trash in the ground, I don't want to. My view is that the alternative is not to be the analysis, but I've got to wait somewhere. And I think one of the things that's important is putting it appropriately, analyzing it, having its model regulations. I'm the exhaustive, the costly, but they were very worthwhile. And so I think my personal view is the fact that it's taken so long, and obviously, kept counting the rest of seeing how diligent we've been and trying to get this accomplished. I think this should be, in my view, some solace knowing that this isn't just being thrown up, but this is about as extensive analysis and design as you can possibly have. I've got two more questions to practice here. You mentioned that you have to in order to get the DQ Part A approval, you had the the party, they had to look at all these things. So a host agreement, a cup, you can start the approval, the application process. Did the original local county, previous board of super houses approval, and either the host agreement or the original cup, allow for an entrance off of Pine Road Road for the land flow operation. Next to me. And then if it did or didn't, was that not a predicate to the approval for the Part A by DQ because that was included in that application that you were coming in off of Pine Road Road? Now, I think from what we're looking at, they're saying, if you do this, then you can do the pool. So what are the issues on the condition? Use permit is exactly what we say, I'll not allow one reason why we're coming in, this is just a use permit as you know, we made all the attributes. We also know a lot more about the site so we can detail the relationship. that was going to be much more costly coming in off of 60 and going through the process of getting the approval to mitigate wetlands and yellow at night. This is more of, and it turns out, if you're not assured of getting the permits. So, but what I'm saying is, was there anything in the original approvals from Tom and County or supervisors that allowed for an entrance off the high group? No. I would disagree. My interpretation is a lot of it was subject to teething to approval. But, in the beginning, if the V, U, S, this is how you can put limitations. It made sense for many reasons, now coming in with a conditional use format, saying this is how we plan to initially access it. And then for you to consider it. I mean, you also mentioned the Mr. Schumig. You mentioned something about COVID slowing down the government's responses. Are you aware that DG has a website that you can go on and look at responses from Green Ridge and incomplete application after incomplete application? And that's all public knowledge, public opinion. I can say this is a recording through the process. We're submitting the information and it goes through the file to become, and then as you give them more information, they look at the study, they want additional information and additional studies. That's just the kind of nature of this detail coming through the process. Yeah, I would say that numbers look back and forth that we had the DQ during the review was not unusual if anything. It was two or three times shorter than we would have on other side. Well, there last my point, you're placing the blame on the slowness of DQ and governmental responses yet it wasn't out of the norm. Well, the F.I. I mean, we've been working very closely for Islam, I'm gonna say we've the North. Well, we've been working very closely. First of all, I want to say we've been working very closely with these. I will say very clearly is everybody can understand. That just naturally slows your process. I think that's the fact that that wasn't just your need to this project. We have demonstrated, though, it is how much effort and analysis and indulgences is called into this to hit the party. And the humility brought it. And that's why we're here. So that was my point to begin with is that yes, it was a group in 2018 for students and it was more of a city faster than it was in 2018. Yes, maybe it can happen. So here we are in 2025, one of these again. That's the part I don't want. And that's just me personally, and I'm not going to be out of the world with a braver person. So the point is, you had it, you took it done it, out of a way that got you with it. So it made me happen in 2018, 2019, and it's been out of the world for me. I think you're going to happen. So we are in between two. I'm not going to say born. I think you'd have to. So we already went from one. I was at that. I'm out of say, it was going through the process. And we left the part of it all. So I have a few shuffling in here. I would appreciate that. And I will say there was no way my COVID would have been this done in, you know, I told you to. I mean, I, but one of the things we hear is we're coming forward on this commission, we are going to be using it as an issue, is this a good project? Is it beneficial to the county and the greater community? We believe it's very strongly that it is. One thing that we can do is because of Paul that's been done on this project, we've got an extraordinarily amount of additional information we can provide that we didn't even have until we could take the hand and the book. But I appreciate your question. I'm not extraordinary about the money involved in it. Oh, the electron, these things are very not cheap. Can I ask more questions? First of all, I do not envy any business having to go through the meeting here. I'm in business myself in regulations, but anyway, the water monitoring wells at one of the previous workshops you indicated that you were going to check those, I think, was it quarterly? Yes. So can you tell me how fast the water would drain out from underneath the landfill to one of these wells? Well, the groundwater is moving at about two to three feet here. So if you think about river, it's not like a river. It's like when you're at the beach and you're digging a hole in the sand and you can see the water flowing through the sand. So there's basically no chance that you miss something. Correct. Correct. Thank you. All right. And then the five phases that I saw in one of these charts, are they, I got the hint that they're going to be like, individual locations? They will, we don't want to build the whole 104 acres of lunch because they've got a lot of soil water and we'll put a more of a beach in to deal with. So we build them in 10 to 20 acre phases. And so each one of those 10 to 20 acre phases are going to come together for one big landfill. So it's not going to be like five different small landfills. part of people all coming together. The other side of the road. Road to get the correct. OK, OK. The other thing on that is, and on the daily, I don't know, one of the red e-cum relations is, at the end of each day, there has to be cover on almost the pot pot. And so, when I talked about it, the initial cell of the 10 to 15 acres, daily, daily measures much, much less. Yeah, that's what it means to my understanding. So, how, so if you're starting from this phase right here, this little cell, and then you're expanding, you need to go and I'm not understanding the engineering behind how you connect the two overlapping, varying between each phase, you'll have a burr and that liner system at that first phase will lap over that burr. So then when you build the next phase you tie right into that liner that you've left on top of that urm so that you know you then have one continuous liner underneath the entire net. With some warbles. So is it possible for any activity of bond with those warbles are to get into where the seal is. In reality, when we construct that next phase, we'll give it a burn. So bottom will be more even. So you take out those wormals. The wormals are there to control brainage and also to have easier access to the liner to tie it to it. But when we do that, we would get rid of the bar, that's adjacent to the phase that's filled up. We build the next phase and we'll create a bar at the end of that one so that we have the liner handy and tie it. But when we actually do that construction, we'll get rid of that bar, So, is he the flat, the flat problem? Okay. And then this is, and Mr. Schumann, you may have missed both. And then that's okay if you get on the CUP, new conditions include, when you're talking about the disposable of the community, anti-freeze and motor oils and the holding tanks, you said the conditional use permit will address this. Well, we have the conditional use permit and promise that it doesn't address this. Oh, yeah. The draft I've been working with, I mean, the one we've been doing the draft, it does run for you. But as the White Bill, it's going to hold the host to bring in what our obligations are, but we drafted those conditions to prevent us to accept that from certain conditions and how we can treat it. So that is going to be the conditions. Well, that's what I'm asking. So, it is not the conditional use permit? This power is powerful. No, I know, but I don't remember. It's probably my fault. I don't remember seeing it in the conditional use permit. So, that's what I'm asking. This is the conditional use permit. No, this is the conditions that we're working on the trial. So, you have to be conditional use permit, not patient. and then you're working at reunite suggested conditions. We've been working with staff in terms of and other county representatives to finalize the conditions and conditions of the county might want to say. So there will be a list of additional conditions that will be accepted. So the application that we have before is not the condition we use permit. We have the conditionally used permit application which we're working through, working through exact conditions through the assembly. But we're recommended by the planning mission and act on all other things. So will we see that in the final thing that we have to submit this document. I don't think so. Well, on page three in our packet section eight, I'm sorry, any resident Moe of Fuel shall be containing a corrosion resistant to both ground storage tanks and shall be transported all site exposed to a link on crimes with all state and federal laws and regulations, and it arrives to the county resident and a fridge available. Okay, so that's what you were referring to? Yeah, yeah, okay. All right, and what we're doing is be submitted the initial list of four committee conditions for the Santa right under the additional conditions that might want to be working on that right now. And and all that will be before you at the money and public hearing. I apologize for not saying that. Commit under your slide under being a good neighbor. There's all kinds of money that has already been distributed to the county. Yes. What if this doesn't pass? That money is there. Okay. I mean, it isn't that they were planning to do it. They don't think I'm like that. That was there. You know that's your cap. The state cap. What was the answer? I said, the money that they've committed to the county, and they've given it the county and they've given it the county they've given it the county It's certain all three of the ones that we have now don't take over Operation expense all that the test. We're not going to be staffing those community incentives. What we're going to do is we're going to be having our personnel and trucks come taking the waste from the centers and you don't have any of the hauling cost and taking that away as part of our group. So we're not closing them, but we would reach service as existing communities as we are. Our employees aren't gonna be what's actually operating as community service. You know, things like it is now, rather than having a conversation, a contract, it's called the way you go. Yes. I have a question for the Board of Supervisors. I have a chance to ask those Board of Supervisors. Under the, and I haven't seen those agreement, I know it's under negotiation, so I'm not asking about that right now. Although I will ask about the potential revenue sharing from the gas, as the board of some questions considered actually that going to the residents of the county? Rather than Alaska, we had revenue checks basically from the oil. It was 12 of their, drove up there. And it allowed for those who were environmentalists and didn't want any drilling. It allowed for the Native Americans. They wanted to just keep things the way that it's always been. And it allowed for the oil companies to come to some kind of agreement because everybody wanted money. And when the all of the revenue goes to the county, the citizens don't really see it. So that's just a pot I would like to have more to advise you to consider. That's about my favorite. My favorite. There are no more questions. Thank you for the opportunity to hear an answer to additional questions and questions. We would follow them up in a second. I'm going to have a motion to let you have a quick break on the meeting for March. The event is going to be passed. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. For the commission, we have a morning manager. So we'll have the meeting on point 17. I'll just go move. Thank you. Mr. Matanseel. Mr. Steve and Donnie here. Mr. Kevin Bittes. Mr. Hubert Allen. Mr. Steve Riven. Mr. Harry Donnie here. Mr. William Fletman.