the order the workshop of the Appalachicola City Commission. Please rise for the inv's budget for the city budget for the city's budget for the city's budget for the city for the invocation and the pleasure of allegiance. Gracious Father, we thank you for this opportunity to come before your people to do their will, oh God, to do your will. God, we ask that you are grant wisdom, knowledge, and understanding, leading God as so God so that we may do what is best for the citizens of this great city, God. Lord, we ask that you are grant wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. Leading God is so God so that we may do what is best for the citizens of this great city God. Lord, we thank you for the leaders of this city God, and we ask that you are blessed and importantly God. This is the asking your son Jesus' name, amen. I pledge allegiance to the body of the United States of America and to the public for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. So Bri, at this point, we're going to open up the floor for public comment. If there is any public comment, would you like to wait until after the presentation? I'm on the out of tears. Resident City of App Watch Co. I just saw online the possibility of renovating the pop and building. I'm just really down here to say it's a great idea. And it's not that you all have held things up. I know the funding sources are difficult to come by, but I think it's a great idea to move forward that building and needs to be cleaned up to city zones, all that waterfront down there. And this is just the beginning of what hope is a great future for that area. I will just say, and I hate to remind you all things you already know, but I will in this case, making an improvement down there that we can maintain. It's easy to get funding source to build it, but the maintenance has always been a problem. It's certainly to get funding source to build it, but the maintenance has always been a problem. It's certainly when I work with local governments to problem. So I would say the make it functional, but the smaller the better, almost in this case, because you don't want a big building. And I saw something with a roof line. I'd be honest with you, I would just recommend not have the roof lines just more to maintain. It's a great area for wind to blow around. And if we have a storm, it's not a hurricane, and not a president of the declaration, it gets damaged, it gets what? The city's pain. is more to maintain. It's a great area for wind to blow around. And if we have a storm, it's not a hurricane, and not a president of the declaration, it gets damaged, it gets what? The city is paying for the repair. So I would kind of keep it as, to what is functional down there, but not make it too big. And that's my comment. Even without seeing what the plan is. Thank you. Any other comments? We have two items on the agenda. We have the pop-up building and we have African American Museum. Any other comments? Here and none? Bre? Turn it over to Brett. Good afternoon. Thank you for having us on Brett Ham with the Hammond Zanger Park Attacks. And tonight with regard to the African American Museum, at the last meeting you all asked to see more brick samples. And so we chased them. And of course you can see we were asked to look at a more modern approach and we brought you the blue black which is really pretty dark and with the oyster shell banding. And then I brought an additional one which is a gray blend, which would also be a stunning combination with, you know, it's not as black or as dark as that. And then we had the original one until we had a red with a brown banding. If you want to show the side, what we tried to do is capture the brown, the great modular blend, which is this one. We talked about it a couple of times in the middle of the month. You'll notice it's kind of hard to see much different between that and the black when it's just quite a bit dark. But with the light gray banding, as well as the wall caps, being a form gray wall cap on that one. And that's one view of it. and the next view, if you would, the children and the entrance door, just to show you what that would be. We did that at the request to kind of bring it to a more modern break and kind of move away from the painted red break that the current Holy Family building is. Yes, and best we can get permission grown. We've got you got the oyster show gray with the gray blend to look module. This one. Or with the banding. And the reason we ask you all this like first of all. Everything is not for the whole thing. The community is going to be going to have a meeting. You think all of your bodies will be there. Bye. And the reason we ask you all this was like, first of all, but there is a difference in brick price. So those are readily available and it would make a stunning combination against the white with the sort of topos stucker column. That was what we did. Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Duncan? So should we go with any of those brick options? Are any of them considered a change order? Are they already in the price for a deal? No, and that's the whole point. We pride ourselves, and I wasn't kind of taking a phone to figure out but we pride ourselves in trying to keep change orders to an absolute bear minimum. We've been very successful in saying below 5% on anything we've ever done. That's the entire length of my office which in next month will make 25 years. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure before we started considering it. Absolutely. And that's a great question. Thank you. But there's no change, order whatsoever. We just need to lift it on the bid documents so that when it hits the street, the contractor has no question as to what it is you all want to see built. And so we pride ourselves in that. Are there any other questions for Brett regarding what he has provided? What you need from us today is... Can I do with us on this so we can get it just right. We do. We pride ourselves in that and in customer service. We certainly want, you know, again, it's your building we want it to be what you all want it to be. You know, it's been spending the money on it if it doesn't do what you want it to do. Or it's not the type of building you want it to be. Commissioner Elliott has opened the floor for moving forward with the colors that are suggested on that. We're good. Thank you very much for the time on that one. I really appreciate working with you as well. I appreciate having you all done. Okay. So we are moving on to the pop-up building. I'll take the lead on that conversation. Great. So, the last meeting, again, Brent Hamins, Hamins Ranker, Birkittites, at the last meeting that was discussed, we had the open debt concept with sort of a covered, a pertinent thing in the back and it was discussed that you wanted more of a just a deck sort of an open air deck arrangement. We did some various views. Next slide, please. Next slide. All right. So we looked at it from a stand point. There was a discussion I think Commissioner Elliott mentioned some sort of future connection, potentially a projection out. So what we looked at, one of the participants who's here talked about maybe being able to make use of the piles that currently were under the covered boat storage area on the river. I don't know that we could do that necessarily. I'm concerned that you may not, the piling system, you may not be able to use them. But again, we can certainly try. But if we're just an open deck concept, we had some seating, we thought maybe we could build the seating arrangements, because we've been in discussion about using items or elements from the pop-up building. You might be able to have it milled, or there might be a salvageable lumber that could be used for seating arrangements, those types of things, the idea there with an extension out and I think Commissioner Grove talked about the question of people who are going to fish off of it. It's fairly shallow right there under the actual footprint of the actual building but it's not to say you could not fish it but if with the extension out we, we'd get you out physically into the river. Next slide, please, Travis. We went back and looked just to kind of show you ideas with thoughts. There was a discussion about how does this look like anything on a waterfront. If you wanted an open air concept, we could potentially use some of the deck for ornamental decorative braces, knee braces, and you could reuse some of the lumber in that arrangement. Next slide, please, Travis. Again, these are just open air concepts. Same sort of idea, again, but what was discussed was an open air, so that was the first one. It was just again to give you ideas. Next slide. This was just change if you went with the, I mean, I think Commissioner George talked about something elsewhere that had been used where they used cabbage palm trunks in some arrangement. I'm not going to say we could make that structurally consistent with the current code, but the idea of doing something out at the end of projection out some sort of circular arrangement that had provided you a covered canopy if you were fishing. So again, this is just like if you project that deck on out to give you an area out there again. So those were just ideas thrown out to kind of give you an idea of what you could do. Again, I know you asked for just an open debt concept, which is what we showed at the first concept. We're open to any again. We want it to do with the community and you all wish it to do. Don't want to add to your burden of cost on things, but again, we need some direction to move forward. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm just going to open it up. Can you give us some prices on what a roof like that? I can. I did not, but I certainly can with regard to this. And here's what we've just discussed. Dan, of course, is obviously representing health. I spoke with Snyder before Dan. And before Dan left, or before Dave left, there was discussion with regard to the expenditure of the grant funds. It may be with regard to an open debt concept since the grant is very specific about what you can physically use that money for. You can't resurface the roadways, which I think Dave and the early days thought he was going to be able to resurface Riverfront Street. I think his current pricing still leaves about a million dollars out there. Again, I don't want to speak for Dan, but there was discussion to say between Dave and I that potentially that money could be used to create an open debt concept. Now, I would need to go back and put pencil to paper to come up with it and say, okay, do I think you're in the million dollar range? So are we looking at, right now, are we looking at the deconstruction only? No, what's on the street, what Dan has issued, is the deconstruction of the building. But David indicated to me that even with the deconstruction, and I'm not. I have not priced anything on the floor. David mentioned he thought there was going to be money left over, even after all the dock repairs and the deconstruction, and there might be money moved over. How much of that I do not know. I think the driving app is if we have the deck and it can be utilized in some manner, that's great. If we have a price on what some arrangements of the roof might be, we might be able to get money to finish that in other places. Okay. That's I'm just trying to kind of get as much as we can out of the grant so that we have something to go and get more money. So I guess I just want to clarify the scope of this grant was amended based on commission decision to demolition and a plan set to move forward with and look for other funding for. At this moment, commerce is not going to pay for the construction of this plan. That would be a phase two activity that we would have to apply for in another round. If for some reason if we get the bids in on riverfront and we find out, hey, we've got, figures left, which would be very optimistic. We could go back to Commerce and ask them to amend the scope again, but that would be very, very optimistic. Right now we're looking at deconstruction and a plan for a project that shovel ready, so we can go and get something further funding. So what the scope says right now is demolition, high fencing to keep the area safe, educational signage and a plan set that we can have in hand to apply for later. That's what I thought, but we kind of kind of. All right, thank you. Yeah. So if there are no other questions, Commissioner Elliott? I'm sorry, not a question just was going to begin commenting. My thought was if we want what are what what are your decisions or comments regarding what you've seen this round? Commissioner Elliott. Thank you, Mayor. Again, thank you very much for working with us through this process because I know what we originally started with and how we've gotten to this point. You guys have done a lot of work listening to us and helping us get to this point. So thank you very much for bearing with us through that process. I am a big fan of the 5.6 open deck with seating. The square footage on that was 2,400. Is that, and I apologize for not recalling properly, is that the square footage of the footprint currently is 4? The footprint of the current building is about 6,500 square feet. It's quite a bit larger. The 2400 is how we arrived at this commercial it kind of goes back to the historic process. But when we generated the cost for even the build of 6,500 square foot footprint, we were between 5 and 6 million. And so we said, well, we did a study and said, well, what happens if we reduce it down to about 2400? And that was a covered structure at the time to bring it down to around 2 million, which is probably a little more digestible. And so we kind of stuck to that smaller footprint inside the existing confines of the existing footprint. Because obviously we don't go outside of that because then we touch wetlands and we increase the scope of costing in that regard. So we tried to say kind of say, well, how about if we did just kind of reduce it and kept your cost down a little more manageable in what we tried to do. That's where we came up 2400. Thank you. I did also see so on the 5.7 that one mentions back that up Travis that one mentions 1200 square feet so is that in reference to the entire pavilion or just to that covered the covered area. It's just a covered area. Yes ma'am. Gotcha. Okay so I probably would say just because of position of it and looking forward to try to keep maintenance cost low as Mr. Peer said denoted after the storm roofs or the first thing to come up sometimes. So I would be in favor of going forward with the total open air concept. However, I am a fan of the very end slide, the 5.9 of having a 600 square foot open air pavilion over the end of the extension of the, what would be the fishing platform. I think that would tie in and mirror the docks that we are in boardwalks we already have at battery park arena and then down at Lafayette Park. So I think that visually would tie together the waterfront. And that is all I have right now. That's the way I'm feeling about it. And thank you very much for getting us there. Outside of that talking square footage of it, 2400 doesn't seem to bother me. That sounds like a fine square footage to me. If there's any comments on whether it should be smaller or larger, I'd like to hear that from the rest of the commission. And going along with that, if we do, if we were to choose to shrink it at all, in general, what I'm thinking towards the eventual maintenance and upkeep for this building is I think that it would make sense to tie it in to battery park marina because the docs remote the pavilion there and potential docs that can be built off of it would probably be utilized by boaters or people that are doing some sort of leisure pleasure boating or coming in commercially with charters. And we could benefit from a charter captain row in some of these areas. To my understanding, it wouldn't be ideal to try to have things like permanent slips or live-a-boards there due to the traffic that goes through this part of the channel. It would keep it rocking a lot. So I know that we still are waiting to hear back from DEP about whether or not we're going to be able to rebuild all of the other docs and phishing peers that have been defunct since Hurricane Michael. So I think this would be something nice that if we cannot in the long run get those other docs bases and phishingers back. This would probably be another option to get that access back to the public. We clarify yearlings with five seven which would have had open air pavilion over top of an open deck with five nine as the termination of that. I apologize. I'm looking towards a five six five six five six with five nine with 5.9 as a termination of that. I apologize. I'm looking towards a 5.6. 5.6 with 5.9. With 5.9. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. That's fine. That was all I have. No, fine. Thank you. Thank you. Any other commissioner have a comment? All those? Mayor Duncan? Thank you. Yes. Thank you very much for your hard work. It's interesting. I too like the 5.6. The 5.6 would just be open deck area. But I also like the idea of adding the 5.9, the end. It's combination of it. It's similar to the rest of the walkways we have on our waterfront. That's where I'm at. I like the idea. I like the idea that it's still large enough to be useful, but yet it's still so much smaller than what the footprint is right now. If we get to this point along the waterfront and then it leaves a lot of area that could still then be maintained and kept up just there at the water. Thank you. I like it. Thank you for your your comments. Thank you. Commissioner George Commissioner Grove you have any comments? Are you to an agreement with Commissioner? Commissioner George I also like the 5.6. I want to sample as possible. Let me say in the middle there. Those are the benches that you Well, we're figuring we have to do something with benches. We might be able to use some of the lumber from the existing pop and building, but also, you know, have some sort of educational, which is, you know, we haven't figured it all out right there. We are going to show you benching and feeding, but we probably would want to work with you on helping you come up. And as part of the grant is to discuss the ideas of the working waterfront. So there may be some opportunity there, whether it's just benches with plaques on the back, just give them on the back or something else, but we work with you on that to help figure that one out. The big issue is getting the deck defined and getting the structural components there, as well as the extension out with the covered canopy at the end of the extension. And then what occurs in-fide that area is not gonna be a big deal. Whether I mean, it's not heavily structurally loaded. Pedestrian traffic, those types of thing, they don't take tremendous loads. So we'd work on structurally to get that defined and work with you and maybe come back at a future meeting, we may develop that, flesh it out and even bring that back to you to add another meeting that would assist your efforts and say, we like, would you do that? And we're happy to help you. We have to help you. It looks a little different now, if you change the colors, but if the 5.6, essentially the deck that we looked at at the last minute. Especially just an open deck with some sort of, we thought some sort of seating where you kids could sit on either side and then maybe somebody giving a speech and a discussion about what the pop and building a ban or the oyster industry across the bay, you know, what pop, you know, what pop and brought to the area of those types. I mean, again, it's just kind of a conceptual thought process of where we go from here. Okay, so the only additions there are the benches and the... Wouldn't be tough to do. We could fix any of that with you and be happy to bring back ideas as we get further along as the... and before we finalize. We get the structural bones figured out, which is the big issue right now. It's trying to get the structural bones figured out to where it's compliant with code and we'll serve you in not only the near, but the distant future. If we get piles in and so forth and recreate that area. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Commissioner Grover, you have any comments? Okay. So the consensus is that we will move forward with 5.6 combining it with 5.9. The consensus that I we've reached. Thank you all for your time. Comments have been a pleasure working with you. We'll be happy to move forward and and be happy to come back at any time to give you additional information. And again, as we get closer to that center piece, let's go to work on the structural bones. Be happy to come back and talk with you all, your visions of what you want to see from an educational standpoint and what we need to do to comply with the grant. Okay? Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Thank you. All right. So, Bri, can you just kind of give us an update or rundown on now that a consensus has been made? And... appreciate your work. Thank you. So, Brie, can you just kind of give us an update or run down on now that a consensus has been made and we have made a decision on what we want to do with the pop-up building? What's the status or where do we go from here? So, my understanding as far as Fret's concerned is you've given him directions, so now he'll finish up the plan set. He'll likely we'll show it to you again once it's complete. I don't know if he'd want to come present it or we could just every I want to go through that. As far as the grant standpoint, we're gearing up to bid these projects out. They had to go through environmental clearance. They're also going through DEP permitting. Once that's all settled, they'll be able to be bid out and the demolitions and the dock repair will start. Do you want to speak to that a little bit? I can't have an update on the permitting, ma'am. I'm Dan Scher with half engineers at Tallahassee. So I did get an update on our perming U.S. which is the U.S. Army Corps of engineers and DEP, DEP's not the hard part, you say this is the real hard part. We're probably four to six months out from getting a permit for the docs. Anything you do in the repairing area is always a heavy lift with U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. So we're working that with our environmental consultants. But as far as the demolition happens, I've given Bri the final plans just for her approval. And once we have those, we'll sign and seal them. Just a city of Appalachia Coal Apartment is all as required as to do any demos. So we'll be able to make the demo happen fairly quickly with Bri by submitting those applications to the city to get the demolition permits. The fire station is really easy. It's not on the water. It's not on the water and we should be able to move forward with DEP on the demolition of the pop-up building and the storage of that material at the site Travis has identified for us. So we should be able to move forward with some deconstruction in rapid fashion and then but the permitting is going to hold up the bidding process for the other items. So thank you, ma'am. May I ask a question? Just wanted to ask, just continuing that process a little further. So we're four to six months out for the permitting for docker pair So let's say we get six months down the road. It's June, July. We've got those permits What does our timeline look like and what are our steps from there? Sure, so we'll just work with the city to put the project out on the street for bidding You You can do two weeks, four weeks, six weeks, it's really up to you guys. I don't know if you have a standard procedure, but we'll go through your procurement process to get that on the roof, and your attorneys will be involved with that because it's a contract. And low bid usually wins. I'm not sure how we do it in Appalachia Gold, but I'll figure it out. But we'll get those bits in. We'll help you evaluate them. Find if there's no bit anomalies, and then kind of give you our recommendation on how to move forward, but still be low bid. It's usually not complicated. So. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you, Commissioner. Any other questions or comments from the commission? I have any comments or questions from the public. I'm going to open it up again based on what you've heard. Bre do you have any comments? I do not. So at this point if there are no further comments that concludes the workshop and may have been motioned to adjourn. I say move. Second. We have a motion by Commissioner Elliott, a second by Commissioner Grove, all in favor. Any opposed? Motion carried, meeting adjourned. We will reconvene. motion by commission or I say move. Second. Motion by commission or I say move. Second. Motion by commission or I say move. Second. Motion by commission or I say move. Second. Motion by commission or