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What about the rest of us? I can hear you, Art. Can you hear me? Whoever that was, yes. Okay. That one's good, because Tristan's at the other end of the yes. Okay, this might work. That one good. Chris Tristan's at the other end of the day. Okay. Oh, great. Thanks guys. And we are already going to do it. Yeah, all right. Okay. That's going to be W nice. So I have a couple of good updates. We do have a new director starting next week. Her name is Amanda South Raid. And she's coming to the city from Washington, D.C. Department of Transportation. So very excited to have her start next week. So, and then we also have the help interviews for senior traffic engineer position. And we're expecting to hire someone out of that. They'll be starting next week's. We'll have some support there. And we're also still currently holding in a reasonable, steady engineer position. Sounds like things are going well, but I don't know that we have a candidate selected yet. I'm so good. Yeah. There's a bunch of good news on this news. Yeah, it's good to know that support is coming because you got a lot of stuff. Jennifer, can we reach the help? New Amanda come next meeting? Sure. Yeah. Very good. Update on the Hawk signals. So it sounds like the DPW are dominion connections were approved. The only thing we're waiting on now is the coordinating the signal timings. And so we expected to have those operational at the end of the month. That's good news there. What else we got? Sound Lee Street. Thank you to ask me about the crosswalk on the street. I'm looking into it. I think it's a bit funky like big happen. I'm trying to make sure this is what happened. I need to proceed. I suspect that the crosswalk that is in control was supposed to be temporary. It's just doing it for all the time. That's why it's not signalizing the other side. I'm going to. So I think that's what happened. Personally, what do we do about it? So. And we'll say literally on my way here. I had a green light across broad. And there was a good issue. I'm just walking across. I mean, they literally cannot see. let cannot see when it's a green light work. I'd like to they don't know when to walk. Yeah. Someone's going to get the by. I'll learn. So yeah, we'll have to figure out sort of what we do. It sounds like there's a desire to keep the crosswalk if we can make it safe. But if we can't get signals there, I feel like you're gonna have to take that crosswalk out and just have a one since it is single ones. But it's the part of where people can't get from here to here. Crosswalk. Yeah, so like if I met smoothie gang and I wanna get to quad jades, there is is not a state grade across this, but even if I met smoothie king and I want to get to whatever the lock temperature says, there's not a state grade across the... No, there is. There are no pedestrian crossables and the way because it's not a perfect, a guaranteed degree line at that intersection, it's kind of walking. When you're a pedestrian, and you're crossing literally at any of these corners, you cannot see the light. So we're talking about broad and diverse zones. So the only section that covered pedestrian walk, like countdown, is on tonnages to the Kensington. So everybody can cross safely here, but to get from here unsafe, to get to hear, to get to hear, to get to hear, unsafe, and it's literally every a dozen kids cross that to get to school. There's like, this is living facility. I appreciate it. And I think it's a bigger issue than just, we can't just help out cross-order. Yeah, I think the desire would be to keep it and signalize it. But I think that's just sharp, how we get that done sooner than the year is a challenge. But I think I appreciate it. and then you also talked about consolidating all the lists that we have. Yeah. Um, we're working on something. I'm trying to come up with a master list. And then we also talked about so once we get this master list. Finalize. We have to figure out how we get the staff who do the sidewalk repairs and us in DPW, I guess operations in DPW, how we get those things regularly updated and coordinated that part of it. Yeah, we're ultimately going to get on a website. That's something. I think getting on the website, I agree with that. But getting a consolidated list, it's like, we can't tell where we're looking at things. And what's below the threshold, what's above the threshold, things are missing. It's, I mean, this thing with the sidewalk on Virginia, on a list because it was in the sidewalk one, but it's like, it's kind of lost, so it never makes it into CIT consideration or doesn't seem to make it to CIT. It's a big, that one's a big letter to probably end up having to be a CIT project, but it never seems to get considered because I'm missing on the, and they're currently following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following and the company that we're following But what's going on? They're working on it. I don't want to try and prioritize an NTC project when there's something. There's some missing link project. It's probably higher art. That should be getting. So, um, we're definitely working on that. I think it makes it easier for us to have it that way because in where I check your bouncing around in double doing double work. So trying to put that together, first step is just figuring out what that is, is between operations and people. And planning. And planning. I think that's a big stuff for me. And I guess, we'll talk about annual PV, I guess I'm talk about H&O PV at some point today too. Anybody have any questions? I have a question, just here. So going back to the pedestrian walk signal. It was probably maybe six months ago. You guys might remember. a friend of mine who got hit at the intersection further like towards Broadmont on the Canberra. What's that? I think it was a round share history. Yeah, yeah, it was it was Mrs. York., so she, and she came and talked to us. So I don't remember exactly the conversation, but I feel like we were told at the time, it was, I think Tara was there and we were told at the time that they were looking at pet signals. So I'm just kind of, it sounds a little concerning to me and I'm sorry, is it Farron? Is it, it's just what you're saying, you know, it kind of sounds like you're just, You're not sure what is the deal with how we can get this fixed for the Lee intersection. And so I'm, I just, but like I said, I feel like there was something going on where they were looking at all of the head signals up and down broad street. So what happened with that and, and where are we with that? Are you familiar? I'm not familiar. I don't know if what what your referencing might be in terms of hiding? It has something to do with it was going to be some they were because we were talking about the pedestrian lead timing that kind of thing. Yeah. So I guess maybe that's a whole different thing. I think so. Yeah. It's still a pet signal. So. So. Got a chime in for such a. So. What I'm hearing in this conversation is this there isn't a that each intersection might be part of some other project. And that therefore we couldn't focus in on the issue of crosswalks all the way down broad. because broad is a road not a street essentially. I mean, it's a through it, a through avenue that has every intersection is different and the lighting and the timing, it's way off everywhere. So is there any way to bring this all together and say, let's make broad street safer. One of the ways is let's look at every single intersection right now. Well, I think so. I mean, is that timing is tied into the smart signals? Yeah, I think it's the middle point. Single list is why I think you can mark that because it's your strategy your strategy. Okay one project is it that's looking at Cherry. Right there may be one but it's on a different list than it's like. And I'll add to that was a very good point of what I don't think I was very clear on just that but it was it, if we were to just look at lead tonight, we could solve it in 15 minutes, what should be done then. We don't, I mean, we've all walked through and almost got them killed. So we all know exactly exactly what to get done. Then if we wrote that down. In other words, we advised that or someone advised that if we can't prescribe it anyway, then it's say, okay, now how are you going to execute it? And how do we get it on a calendar? Yeah, that's the kind of, and I'm not coming down on it's the fact that we're not really getting connected with the other departments very well. We need to be any kind of advisor. We need to fill our brains with more stuff. Well, anybody made, when I first brought this up like months ago, the answer I was told was that this particular intersection we're talking about was part of that smart signal The program that it juvenile families. I think timing is, but in the gesture, we're signaling. Correct. Yeah, so I think we're kind of talking about the security of the organization. Because one being new equipment and one being timing all of our existing equipment. Yeah. And so I think the adding new infrastructure is probably going to say for intersection kind of project because I don't think we have the capacity to look at all the broad street and try to be barely at budget and time and resources to do. Well, I'll give you an add-on to just what you just said. Yeah. There is a new intersection on Broadway, probably. It really works well. Oh, the lights work, it's painted, boba. All right, so that's the model. Just copy it all the way down. And you can kind of... I can't do it. You know what I mean? I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. I'm saying that somewhat joking. and the lighting and the timing was good and the sidewalk and the crosswalks were clear and everything and we go, okay, so right there that's it. There's the design. So when Project ADC comes up to the it's called the lead street or whatever comes up to the, it's called the lead street or whatever, comes up to the intersection. Oh, the intersection should be part of that project. We're already in there. We keep it down to whatever. We're already in there working. There's the model, make that intersection like that. Don't need it to study it. You just have to paint it. I think you're getting to what I've been working on complete streets, where to me, complete streets is street standards. When you go to repay the street, here's how you paint it. When you go to do an intersection, this is what an intersection looks like that way. You guys don't have to do engineering studies or try and do design every single time. You just like, here's the design boom. And speed, I think, I mean, it doesn't get any, I mean, you got to fill, but it's, you don't have to be, are you doing it? And I want to acknowledge right up front. I'm not telling you, you got to actually, so right this second, you know they can happen like that. It's more. You've got a lot of colleagues to. Really back to this kind of request. Yeah, I think. And that is pretty. No, we're like on paper. It's easier said than done because often times. Like projects have stomp so they have to start to stop somewhere. Yes. And then sometimes we get lumped songs for things that we can do, and maybe we can only do a part of one intersection. And that's how we end up in such situations when things are done piece in it. Yeah. But that's why it's being a standard is good because you have a piece peacefully only in this interstiction in this interstiction, but we know we're all the same way. So yeah, it takes a long time and maybe even the standard says these are the core things, these are the optional things. Yeah. But you're just taking off a list. You don't really. Now setting up that standard takes much longer than each individual project. But we do have should be state standards. I don't really, now setting up that standard takes much long. Then each individual project, but we do have should be state standards. I don't know. But streetscape so much. I don't know if you're like standing off the guide, the it's a complete street standard, but it's not. It's street safe. Gandruz, they're about basically outside the curve. Yeah, and maybe that's something in development. I'm just not personally believe it. It's not. It's something that I know council has been putting on their work plan, but hasn't actually initiated. I think the intent is playing with Shepherd that. Question I have though about Chirry. I'm trying to remember, I know one of the hawk signals is across from Robin Washington by Creative Cauld And where exactly is the other ones? Because I'm thinking it's near Cher. I think it's near North Fair. There's one that you know it for the fact that I think there's one further down. Down in the North. Very. It's close enough. It's close enough. 49. So it is. For sure it's on the website. Okay. It is. It is. So it is. Yeah. It is. So it is. Yeah. So it is. Yeah. So it is. Yeah. So it is. Yeah. So it is. So it is. new broadband is. But I think the other thing is like the smart signals, we don't, we know it's going to take time. So it's kind of like what's the threshold? Oh, it's going to be replaced in six months. That sort of makes sense to retirement, but it's two years. Maybe we spend a little time in retirement, even if it, I mean, let's face it, broad is all, it's all black anyway. So doing something that's gonna leave it out of black is changing the, you need for the, the Hawks? Or for just signalization, the signal itself. Plus if these traffic, that's actually traffic light, probably should be out of black because it will slow people down. I think it's, I think it's a, I want to say it for Malin, but I think it's one of the things that you have to have an initial timing sequence when the signal first goes into place. And then I think it will change with time as a part of the score signals, where I do some dissignal technician that operations can't make those adjustments. But I think what they're developing is that initial set of time. Yeah, but this one hasn't. This one's still on the old. I think we can still just go in and say unless the boards and equipment is still broken, that they can't anymore. I know some of them are that way. That they can just put a delay, put a delay on the green light so that the signal gets five seconds. We're doing that, we've brought Washington right now with the, there's five seconds before the light changes for this desk entrance. Should we do that here? You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, I mean. I mean, you can go and see the pedestrian. Crosswalk, learn signal, which is literally the entire reason why I've learned this. You can make it because it's important, but at the end of the day, what's the next step in terms of how I approach the city of how to get that done, for instance, like if you're looking for speed bump, there's the NTC program like, ooh, who is a community go to to say like, hey, there needs to be pedestrian signals here. It's a major intersection of the city. I think you would admit that citizens requests are like concerned that we probably would be a website. Ultimately, it'll probably make us straight back to me or it's become the worst. Okay, well that's obviously not necessary because all of the NGC people are excuse me all this committee I'm pretty sure is in an agreement that this needs to happen. So is Tara still working for the city? Can we get maybe an update? Because like I said, she had, she had stuff to say about PED signals six months ago. Can she come and talk to us or somebody that has answers? Come talk to us. Maybe it's good to have the actual technician attend one of these meetings. Oh, that's so wonderful. No, no, no. Technician isn't making decisions about prioritizing and what's getting done, signal to signal I don't think. I would like, I think we need to have a decision maker. I mean, I think that's fair. I don't, I guess that's fair. We can, yeah. I think it's something good to bring up with Amanda next meeting. Because now you're talking real decision maker and about who's probably going to want to improve things. I don't think so. I don't think there's a I don't think that there's a no to the confidentials but I feel like there might be a lag in whether I it's done or not. I don't think Tara is I don't want to to speak for her, but I don't think she's in this building. But the question is why isn't it done? Yeah, okay. Yeah, so we have two things. One is this intersection and what to do next. Yeah, right. And that's what she just suggested is who is that person? Tara Hoffff is the interim. Okay, so for that item should we the committee write her a memo that says we'd like X, Y, and Z to happen. Which you talk to. By the time we do all that, we have to go through, you know, approval and everything. Right. I think it would be faster individuals just reach out to her. Okay. Anyway, boom. And who should reach out to them? We are a volunteer. Can I actually be a director?? Great. That's an extra volunteer. So what? So what are the a's on that sitting in the room with us? And not, I'm not, and this isn't not trying to call you out or anything, but like, isn't that, isn't that the purpose of having a liaison? That's at all our meetings. Right. Yeah, that's, I was sorry. Sorry not I know you're not in the room with the moment. I was motioning over Ron and I. We can follow up with Tara. See if there's an answer if she would like to further explain. And then OK. So I think that would that I think then we can move on from that. Right. But I would like one more comment on that. I would be a little bit secondary, or what we're talking about. That would be interesting if we could look at the VTTI, date and the way that we did with the other intersection to see if that informs the audience that we're trying to make around the intersection. Before I do, because I've got the report. So I'm wondering whether Cherry has been converted yet. Well, I thought we're talking about people. Which would not be tried by that, right? So like you would still have like half six. And then again, I don't know if we have been. What is what probably is it? I thought they had done all. I thought they were still. You can find out actually is your as your investigating is. Is that singed up to the program? And if so, can we give the data of. You know, this is a people I'm flowing the light. That would be great to know. Yeah, I actually that raises a good question. questions we had asked about that program was could we get read only access to the member of the committee read only access? So the member of the committee read only access so that we wouldn't have to keep going to them and we could just look. And I don't know if we are going to answer on that. I don't have an answer yet on my end for that either, but I believe one is coming soon. And I think that's been subject to discussion between VTTI and city staff here. You've got would be very helpful. That way these questions come up whoever's you have the access could possibly even just throw them up on the screen with the book. It's also to be fair, Regen, who's turned around. Probably to use. It's turned around, which is very quick when I asked him about it before I would also be curious if the system is it's currently set up in the interface is something he probably is best suited. Now we need I don't know how technical it is right now. But I mean he turned around for on the other interesting people. I can tell you can't tell at the intersection line that I'm reading around. It's help it. I can't help. I have the intersection. I'm a little bit on the way around. It's a kept in closures. All right. You know anything else? We have a paper. Thank you very much. And next. Well, Thank you. Thank you very much. Good. And next. By the way, since we before we jump into it, since you mentioned Amanda, do you know who's any update on the planning director? I know currently, interview interviews are being conducted. I believe there's been a few calls, a few coming up soon. So it's the status on that. Not sure quite on the timeline of when that's narrowed down candidates. But they a panel that started. So. All right. The next item is. That's been. Hand it on to a cheap party. Well, thank you. Good evening members of CACT. So you said. We have been community members. Well, it's online. Would you now my name is Ron Farron, chief police for our city, Hidden Bulse Church. I appreciate the opportunity to speak to everybody about the ordinance and we have the proposal. This was an ordinance that the police department initiated, spent through the work session first reading and we've come to CACT to come talk about it and then we're next up the second reading of food and meditation. So excuse the format of the it is a city ordinance or bear with it that work through it. Jenna has put it up on the screen so I'll reference a couple of lines you guys are going to lift. So this is ordinance T02507. So for those of men to chapter 26 of our city code establishment, new guidelines on the article eight, titled pedestrian protections, the new article. City ordinance previously did not have a specific ordinance on pedestrian safety. So this is an entire new section. The ordinance aligns a recent change to the Virginia State law, great and local governments. The ability to better regulate traffic and hands-by-destrian traffic, or pedestrian safety, excuse me. Under this proposed amendments, our will keep a bid for will be enacted. Notaries will be required to come to a complete stop, not yield when the pedestrians are within Mark Crosswalk or city intersections. It is only a law enforcement officers are not permitted to stop the pedestrians by crossing outside Mark Crossings. These are commonly referred to as J walking. The city will have the floor each themselves stop signs and high risk crossings and impose special fines of $200 of $250 for drivers who ignore the signs. The state cap of the fine for this violation is $100. So the state level house will call these to have higher fines for those violations. These changes are intended to clarify expectations with both drivers and pedestrians and curves safer street behavior and ultimately reduce the number of pedestrian related incidents in our city. If you have one requested change and want to bring to your attention, so safety concerns may have done five after the first reading, and we've posed to council and it's regarding the lines 67 through the line 69 of the ordinance of China Context. So it's a section C there again line 67 starting. The desk is made cross and intersection diagonal and all traffic engineering that section has been halted by lights other controlled devices or by law enforcement law on search. While this language mirrors some state level flexibility, we do want to recommend that this clause be removed trying local code. You may know that diagram on crossing, sometimes called screenable crossings, maybe appropriate in very specific urban settings with high pedestrian volumes and robust signal coordination. However, in our city where most intersections are not designed for such movements and where lack of confidence of infrastructure to support and disproportionate introduce on the risk of pedestrian driving. Allowing diagonal fall thing with our field of focus, now changing, we dedicated a synchrony could lead to confusion on safe assumptions ultimately injuries. We don't currently have the traffic control measures of consistent enforcement capability to manage this kind of new or safely. So I respectfully urge you guys to recommend a renewable of line 6, 6, 9, excuse me, from the proposed ordinance before the second reading on April 21st. That's all I have on the ordinance. I appreciate timing after the answering questions. You may have a bad new ordinance before we visit actual questions that may be coming to me. So are you going to look for a motion for that? Is that okay? So before that. A car has to come to a complete stop. While the person is in the intersection in the cross law. Yes. So is it very clear in the statement that they can't move until everyone's out of that cross law? So the code reads, people must come so stop when there's a pedestrian in the cross law. Or so that's clear, that's clearly defendable before and after. Because what happens often is, as we've talked about before, someone's coming across the way I stop or someone stops. I'm walking across this and immediately the car goes after they've got their whole lane open, but I'm still in the middle of the road. That's a violation. Okay, good. And if I'm a foot away from the, I'm still in the crosswalk, I'm almost done. And that car goes, that's a violation, too. Okay. As long as it's a pedestrian that they're on the crosswalk or at the intersection, it's really remembered so that there's no vehicles leads to stuff until a vehicle that pedestrian is off the road, but those words that you just said aren't actually in the provision, right? They are they are there that say they have to stay still Well, they have to stop so then the key provision there is that there's a pedestrian still in the crosswalk or at the intersection It's has so long as the pedestrian is in the crosswalk. Okay, thank you. So indefinitely for that time. Okay, thank you. Good. Good. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. That's true for right turn to the left turn. Anything. Or is the pedestrian in the crosswalk? And it's not that mission is that consistent or more risk or conservative risk to give them like what are linked in their care facilities. So both Arlington and Fairfax have the same ordinance and their sections. So yeah, so it's not much different than what the state allows. The state legislative would like to make the legal language very confusing. So a lot of jurisdictions have just made the language very misleading. So we're not doing anything more than what the state already allows. We made our language a lot clearer based on our work session with council. And some of the comments back from the council members. I think council members neither spoke to Alaska and even March about clarifying that issue that this trans need to be out of there. rather than worship, and crossball before the evil can receive. That's the one I can have you will get violated while I train somebody's Somebody's crossing there on the other side of the road or the person goes. Yeah 15 20 feet between them the pedestrian. So I have a this is that that to happen. So is this Can I run in force? No. Okay, so one, they said number of incidents, I'm gonna ask pretty much, sorry. Second question is, if pedestrian is crossing it when they are not supposed to, it is that cycle just like, I mean, for their own safety, they're crossing on a, you know, when it says stop and now they're impeding vehicular traffic, because they get cited for it because I think they're spare. And then the last thing I would say, yeah, the reopening data from Fairfax inax and Arlington that this has actually reduced the number of, I won't even say near a message because we reduced the number of contacts with the best users across the world. That's not quite where to get it. Yeah, doing one. I think we've lost. My thought was in a crowd while I was a king's laughter. It was translated and will really fun. I'm going to do it. Here's all stairs. I think that's the real question. So I don't have to get it. I'm telling you, Eric, Yeah, I explain to the jurisdiction. Yeah. So the ordinance is focused on the pedestrian safety and the drivers action. Have to research a question about the pedestrian action and a clause one. Generally when a pedestrian is in a clause one they have a big railway everybody's side. And my concern is when we start filling up all these apartments and condos and it's Google in and everything else, broad is hard enough and now we're going to be even if it's you know each car and each intersection is going to spend it extra 33 seconds. You know, eventually there'll be times of the day where root seven is untractable. And I'm not trying to detract it from the safety of citizens. But, you know, I believe that there's There's a section of Braw. The rest of the city is kind of not very busy much, but Braw is... that there is a section of broad. And the rest of the city is kind of not very busy much, but broad is significant. I see a lot of issues coming up in the next well-datingly months as these partners are. In fact, I had a question. So I think to your questions, though when crossing, I was the deserter shall carry a single militancy here, but we'll go all the passenger vehicles. So there's no need for this tension. Yes. So we don't have the full statute. Well, it's in the way that's going. No, that's a track line. So if you go line 60, wander. Yep. OK, and then line 75. Yeah. So, one thing, but once it's highways, the other one says highway or streets. So, other than broad Washington, I don't really consider any of our roads meeting the definition of a high-work. So by Virginia code if you go to under and you get it. Yeah okay that's 46200 you can go right down that's a state code and that code starts out with all definitions. So the way the state law as highway is not in the state so I'd have to pull up and have it in front of me to read it for you, but the way they code defines a highway which is a language we use, it's not an inner state. Well, I'm thinking about, I mean, just right out here in Little Falls and Park, neither one of those roads, I think, would either one of those roads be considered a highway or a street but there's this crack like crosswalk. So public roadways for our discussions, so whether highway speeds really depend their public roadway. So I think so yeah I would say we're probably say highways or streets. When I was reading this it made sure that it applies there. Sure, sure. I'll have to pull out the code to stay code to see how they are defining a highway or a street. They may be important to leave both of them in there for what broad street looks like versus South Cherry Street looks like versus M street looks like. So we don't want to tweak with some of those languages too much because then if we have our officers psyched them and are too indifferent and take away from the meaning of the content of the legislature, we're going to run into issues with judges. Yeah, I'm just trying to think. So if I could jump in, I had the same to the service department I was reading this a couple of days ago, but by concerns were addressed by the lines 91 through 94, which said that I was saying there were comments here and an intersection of regards, where the movement of traffic is being regulated by law enforcement officers, uniform school crossing barriers traffic direction devices that the drivers should have yield according to the direction of the law enforcement. Yeah, so that's how that says to me that if there's a signal to your point, the signal is super CD, all of this right where if you're up to destiny and you're getting the stops none. That it's put working the stop, and the same goes for vehicles. So this applies more toward crosswalks that are currently just yield signs. So section of line 91 to line 94, the intention of that is that if a officer or a crossing or a public safety is directing traffic, and the light tells you not to go but the officer tells you to go you're to But the line also says track direction less is so it doesn't that mean so rapid state still there's two commas there so Does not the same the requirements you're in an intersection or crosswalk where the blue non-triple to be regularly about the law enforcement officer to uniform school calls for more tri-fit direction devices then they'd rather show yield the foreign needs and directionable opportunities. Year of our school crossing or device. So my I was concerned when I read this because I think to March 1 I was it was unclear to me whether or not pedestrians would have to actually observe the direction of something like hey stop. Well, I think so. So I'm going to go on the corner of this. They, they, I mean, well, they can't be reckless. But if they say, I'm going to be, they start walking out. I mean, just like we kind of do that. Yeah, yeah, there's somebody in the intersection. I can, there's a lot of people walking out. An example that we've been discussing, example, please can resolve our comments. Looking at the trail crossing up there at Founders Row on west. Obviously, it's a weird intersection. You've got the walk signals. There's a lot of people who cross against the walk signal. They look, they don't crack it. They walk, but then a car comes along. Would, who would get the ticket, the person inside, or the person if the car had the green light and went through that crosswalk when the pedestrian had a do not want signal. I'm not clear who would actually get the ticket in that case. We're not on the surface. I'm not going to have to be a good answer for you because the gentleman is just a pad. Yeah. So there's so many different scenarios that can happen. We can't tell you clearly what would have happened because there's so many different variables there. And that in a section, there's no turn on that. During because of a recent crash, we also took away the left turn on yellow. For vehicles turning left from Northwest past far going north. But they might have a green. The pedestrian has to do not walk signal, but they're going. Sure. So going back to their reckless car. right? So we would, that would be an investigation into the actions of the pedestrian and the motorists and looking at all the different factors is charming, who is at fault. Yeah. But generally speaking, the pedestrian and crosswalk has the right way. I feel like a lot of the minutiae about like enforcement and things that the like can be left up to common sense enforcement because of course it will all depend on a million factors. But the challenge is if I'm a pedestrian and I didn't think I was acting recklessly and or I'm a driver and I think I was acting recklessly that frame we under this we both have a like stand-up. I was my concern. And then it's an error and it's probably used to be very common there. Well, we're trying to come up with a memo to say, hey, let's make these changes to the intersection to kind of correct that. So one particular thing about that intersection, since we're talking about that, so line 61 says, when Frosting Highways, the legislature, we should not carry this field maliciously. So from a legal perspective, those two words and what's going to be looked at in terms of the action of the pedestrian. So that trail is a stop sign. Here it is, look here. There's a stop sign. Yeah. So aside from the cross-section, it just stops here. It's like, yeah, there's a stop sign. Yeah. Right. So aside from the cross it, but it also stops. So, you know, if a bicycle has come through, it just blows that stop sign, that's going to be part of the consideration, whether or not there are actions was malicious or caring. So 90% of them do just a little of the stops. Right. So, could that be a different situation, right? So it just depends, right? Like, you know, anytime pedestrians are the motorists and bicycles, their pass-pross, you know, sometimes very clear where somebody has to ride away. Sometimes I have to be investigated strongly in the specific actions because there may be that reckless and malicious part of them. I'd actually, what you just said raised the none of the question is I know people who are most streets, the intersection, the bicyclists are supposed to obey the same rules as the cars, the track things. But the trail is the bicyclists in the crosswalk. And appropriately, if they go through, when it comes to the crosswalk on the trail crossings, Do they then business applied with the bicyclists as well or how does that work? There's a whole separate difference state code section on bicycles. Okay. And what they can do when they can do, what they can do can do on a public roadway versus a shared path like the trail I did for dropping well. This is nothing. This is for pedestrians and others and crossing and intersection or a crosswalk. As you can see. I assume that we don't have an archive. Similarly, we don't have a pedestrian city code from top of the state. I'm assuming we don't have that same. We have the power to enforce all state laws. It's an omurator and beginning of city ordinance chapter, uh, the traffic section where it basically says and you know, they can start that we enact all state laws. So we're bringing this down. So as I said, as I said, at the beginning, one of the reasons we're doing this is because the state allows localities to have enhanced fines for this. So the maximum fine for this violation under state goes 100 dollars. Oh, so this is that's why it's the 250. And then we've cleaned up the language a little bit just to make it very, very clear which drivers are supposed to do and the other things you say in there. And you know, for me, the J-walk anything, that was something of that and special essentially in 2020. I wanted to make sure that our officers were aware of that, not only in stakeholder, but also in that city oil and sense, it was already under that conception. So my last challenge is on the section you want to pick out. Yes, the diagonal. The only concern I have with picking it out, the halted by lights, other control device exactly with makes sense. It's the by law enforcement officer, because if you have an officer in the intersection saying you can cross diagonally, it seems to me that we should be deferred to the officer, definitely. And so nobody should be moving anyway because the officer said stop. Yeah, so that's already covered in the lines 90 on. So it does cover that then. This line 67 to 69 specific to diagonal. But that's what I'm saying is if you saw the officer, go ahead and go diagonal. so if an officer's already standing there directing it and they're telling the pedestrian to go out and cross diagonally, there's these problems. So, but I guess my question is for maybe one through many four. Does the way that that's worded right now it says then the driver's of you. So it doesn't that. So it says not it says not with sand required adherence. So everything before it already applies. Is that a different section now? I mean, says 26 to 100. Is that still applied? Again, but if we kick out the previous one, then there's something that applies for pedestrians across there. We don't want 67 and 69 because it will allow pedestrian, like let's take South Maple and Falk. Yeah. Well, funky, four way stops on, Right, right. Yeah, right. So if we have that net, if pedestrian can literally walk from one corner to the other. But I'm saying there's a police officer there. If the police officer's there, the line 9 to 92 will be 10. It does a pop, because that's what's confusing you said. then applies to vehicles, but now there's It doesn't seem to me that's fine. Yeah, I think you know, so what police officers say. Yeah, I appreciate that and I wouldn't worry about that Farm in trying to resolve hers because please officer by code. It's not in here. I say code They're on the traffic, like I think we all learned that in drivers end. They're the ultimate like authority in terms of who doesn't really matter, but this is the police officer. That's what I'm saying. That's right. It could be middle of intersection, it could be middle of the highway. If they have everybody stop, have the illness, they have the bus to all that to wish for them. I'm going to go. That's fine. Looks like that's a question too. Jess, do you want to ask your question? Yeah, so just I just wanted to and then this isn't exactly in line with the direct discussion, but I think that the point about, you know, increased population with condos filling up and then, you know, added to all of our, all of the pedestrian cycling activity, especially young, you know, the young population that a lot of us are concerned about getting to work in two in firm school. I think all that kind of comes to ahead on broad street. And I think obviously I want everything to be perfect in a perfect world right. But like, I think I feel like we want to optimize traffic flow through broad street because there's thousands of cars, if not tens of thousands of cars that are trans like, transiting through our city, like one way or the other, they're not stopping, they don't care, they're just trying to get from A to B. Like we want to maximize the street lights with the timing, as well as with pedestrian lighting and everything so that we can get people in and out of the city quickly but then we also need to like we need to kind of we need to find the sweet spot where we're also maximizing pedestrian safety at the same time and I feel like you know you guys know I've been focusing my efforts recently on the oak street walking zone, but I feel like this, this broad street traffic flow, you know, married up with pedestrians is really another another big critical piece in this is just this kind of So I just want to throw that out there. So is it too soon to make a motion? Yes, I haven't said anything in a minute. First of all, I appreciate you meeting here. I understand your previous meeting that I didn't attend. The previous CAC TV meeting. But a lot of it. I wasn't here, but you and I had a chance to talk in summer. And I I appreciate you becoming that. So I would like to read this and seem to be reasonable questions that it answers. The first question I have is with respect to you asking the 67 be removed. Did you not prepare this? You didn't prepare this? I assume he didn't prepare it. He wouldn't put it in 60s because you don't want to be there. Did this? So I worked on this initially with the city to resolve this. That's how you cancel take a look at it. Okay. The particular line and there was a state code so out of stock to bring in from state code As I alluded in my presentation, in some jurisdictions, it's okay, I was the infrastructure whatnot. We didn't really pay our rent, and sometimes I could fight for us in Ballstretch. And the city and the attorney and I talked about it after the first reading. And we said, that's probably a good idea to take that out just because what diagonal crossings would do during the city. So that's not a big deal. Well, okay. When I look at the first under the request, it talks about the ability to assess special fines for violation of signs. It doesn't talk about violation of lights or for pedestrian violations. Now, it's sort of intentional. Why don't you talk about special fines for violation of signs, but that's a special fines for violation of street segments. Yeah, well, continue trying to do my best in interpreting legislation. Give us a state. The sign is because when we post stock for pedestrian is an intersection, right? Like there are some on Southwest street, for example, there's some right out of your park. The violation, the citation is being issued for the lease option, by the police officer, is for that muddress by the United States. So it says stop for pedestrians. The action that's required by the driver is just that. While pedestrians in the course walk in to be stopped, so a lot. So that violation is, they'll leave it, maybe theality, the technicality, I mean, it's both violating what that sign says. So for example, if you're speeding and there's a speed limit sign, technically you can also be written for violating the posted speed limit sign Spiele and the Sun. Right. So, the official Sun, right? So, are you distinguishing one snapshot from another? So, there's a general snapshot sign and then there's a special snapshot sign that says that it makes references to the district. It's generally one-sided snapshot. Any snapshot? Well, no, not a snapshot sign. The stop sign is different than what we're talking about here. So cross-lobs, okay, right? Some cross-lobs, you know this, in some jurisdiction, including here. We'll say, yield to pedestrians, okay, right? Versus stop for pedestrians. And the distinction is different because it's important and different because what's the yield, what's the stop? Right? So I think you're the best, David. If I'm still in the crosswalk and I make it past the half of the roadway and the car still comes past me, well the driver, you can make it argue, well I yield it. Yeah, I'm. So yield and stop, say, the sign does stop for the pedestrian and also generally with this. I would say it might be helpful. If there was some reference there, when it says the officer may provide a install stop sign, you're referring to install a specific kind of stop sign. What is one one of this? Just like online online online six years that the authority to install a stop sign. Oh, I assume that really means install stop signs and make reference to pedestrians. It says that in the phone stop signs at marked cross lines. I had the same question because when I think stop sign I guess I think arose. I'm thinking in the octagon. I think the sign you're referencing it, it's a stop for pedestrian sign. So this is just the line 6 is just a staff report. It's not actually what's going to go in the code section. The actual code section starts with line Okay. But certainly if you guys want that to be different, it's not going to change the substance of the code. It's just a staff report. It would just be heard to me and maybe say, except for a question. So yeah, certainly we've got to raise up the way., it's like, I don't look like I just, I just don't have a license. So I'm really for consistency. We probably want to make sure that anytime operating things in TVW is putting up sign at a crosswalk, it's a stop for pedestrians signing out of yields for pedestrians. Because according to this, there are more yields on the good, And then we have this ordinance, it's like, which one better just be the same. That's right. And I have talked to the LVS. Okay. I think a physical impact line 29 speaks to the sign. So if I can make just two more points. One thing that we talked about, I guess it was just that summer, was the number of what was the issue of general human enforcement and issue of accidents and number of number of injuries and so on. And obviously we've talked a lot about that as CACT. And so I'm really interested in all this is fine. Help me understand where the enforcement is. I, you know, maybe that's a completely different topic in session in terms of understanding what time the enforcement is going on in the city because you know, the later session about grow is going to talk about speeding, you know, that maybe that's just just a general question. I think that that needs to be addressed. If you want to respond to that, that's fine. I think some questions. I mean, things important. Having words on the paper, you know, for signs up with important, but that has to be a long ago. Well, the important part of it is really having the right vehicles in place so we can be unfortunately affected. Like, if they're not even up and running, it's going to yield versus the stop. It's a lot easier, but please also to enforce what appears to be someone who doesn't stop versus what's at yield. Right? So having that stop sign there is supposed to be yield sign, having the enhanced fines, all that will hopefully increase the likelihood of voluntary compliance in the getting the new site conditions. But like we're doing with the hot signal, you know, we do want to train all officers who do one towards my thoughts, and all the participants. So related to your related to that directly to Stuart is chief of be nice to one of the best things for the police officers are that the public actually knows the law. So is there any kind of an activity of either in the news press or at city council or at the farmers market you get the word out that hey, by the way, public, yeah, and we have an ordinance and the ordinance follows. Not that's a good even in Boston, it follows. And now all the ordinances do get posted. One thing on for the work session, first reading, second reading, on the website as well as the second posted out here and get posted. That's right. But, but I see you find a little bit different. I mean that anytime I look at taking a new enforcement initiative, I don't want to surprise people. That's my, that's a good way of putting it. Yeah. Right. Right. So that educational keys. Here's a good door for you. For us get the right to wrap up. So if there's any final question You're going to be increasing enforcement That's all we're going to go about. I'm going to need an intern staffing or I don't know how you deploy Sure, you want to say that for when the next thing You're right. You're right. You're not assigned. It doesn't become my absolute final is that just want to take a bit of an issue. I don't favor increasing traffic through false or C. I favor reducing traffic. I favor increased bus utilization, walking and maximum. So I'm not on board with increasing it flow and traffic. I'm just asking questions because I think you and I have tried a little bit here. Now I do want to turn around you for a long, long thing up if that says then the pedestrian and drive shall yield to the direction from all enforcement uniform school crossing gardener device because the issue I see with this is earlier, it says pedestrians cross the street are on cross-wives. Shall all the fans have the right way? Later on, 91 through 94, which explicitly deals with police thrashing traffic signals makes reference to drivers, but it doesn't make reference to the pedestrians. For me, the first full words and line 91 is the key term set. So it says now the same environment's hearing. So everything else before 91 still the topic that one having effect on what has been covered 91. But is there anything before 91 that says the pedestrians have to follow the direction of law enforcement or track the seniors. Let me look. And also the other thing is necessary because like we talked about earlier, if there's a long push when directing traffic, there's other stakeholders that speak to the officer's ultimate authority to be able to control traffic. I mean, my question is less to do with law enforcement officers and it's more to do with traffic direction devices because it seems to be the indication as if you're saying pedestrians always have the right of way in this and then you're also saying that vehicles have to will be a traffic signal with pedestrians to not then that creates a confusion to me and I don't think it would. Well, what, no, in line 61 says when crossing highways for the streets the string shall not carelessly or maliciously interfere with the warning passing vehicles. That's not an absolute right. But is that, to me, it doesn't seem to be too far except with the spirit of this say to just add pedestrians in to night one tonight or to eliminate that ambiguity. I would not recommend doing too much more than we're ready to eat because we have to eat quite a bit, based on discussion with State Council. Let's go on through external legal review and internal legal review and what really, this is right out of state co-authored And if you want to look up the corresponding state code, there's 462923 and 924. And we've already kind of tweaked that a lot. I wouldn't want to miss like a two much because if we do have have a crash and we do site under the city ordinance as opposed to the state code, those things may make a huge difference with an attorney or the legal proceeding that will have the fact in a civil court. So I'm just going to be really, really reposters with we can too much with the state state legislative. I'll wait for you. Yeah. I'm glad you were to say you used. Sound always very clear. Yeah. I appreciate that. My concern is I think that the first part creates more ambiguity than explicitly saying that pedestrians have to follow the direction of law enforcement or traffic statement. I mean, I'd say that it is fairly clear that even just from an understanding perspective that pedestrians need to follow law enforcement. And there's heavier restrictions on cars because of pedestrian hits a car, nothing's going to happen if a car hits a bit of a street and they're going to die. I would tend to agree to chief about an incident civil court that something that craves the ambiguity around. Yeah, I think we do. I want to wrap this up because we're already behind. But to the choose point, I think, start getting into the gap. We're getting into wordsmithing and legal wordsmithing. And I think we're not completely involved. I mean, just something I trapped or action devices. But there's a specific definition of what that is. And I don't know what it is. We may be thinking different things, but the lawyers who have reviewed this, I'm sure, looked it up. I hope. But if there isn't anything else specific to this, I'd like to make a motion with the exception of lines 67 to 69 that we refer to we make a motion to counsel in support of this change. I'll make that motion. So I'm later. I'm all right. on later. Hi. All right. Jess. I. Okay. But Jess had her hand up. Was there something else? Five minutes ago. 10 minutes. I just wanted to say for the record. I'm not trying to increase traffic. I'm trying to increase traffic. Getting out of our city. Okay, thank you, but I did have another question for the chief. Later if he has time. Well, that's what's next on the agenda is now we get it's like no doubt it's the chief. The first one you go around. The first one moment is I think this is solid and I'm really glad you achieved it. Guys will be 250. Unfortunately, probably be more. In four, double to four. I think I'm in favor of being now. Somebody who laid me out for public comment. For that, for that emergency portion. That's our letter. Yeah, that's got. I think I think she's here for actually something else. So if Pat Connelly is still on, I believe that was a comment for the Oak Street memo. Just I'm assuming because I got the email with the comment regarding that. Yeah, the challenges we only have the only remaining comment period is for specifically for a TC. But that's up to the jurisdiction of the chair to take out everybody. Right now, I think, sorry, I'm going forward with Q&A and the seat. And Jess, sounds like you have some questions. So I'll let you go first. Thanks for coming real quick. So I do encourage you, whoever brought it up, I can't remember, but education, I feel like is always important, especially with changes. And I also encourage you. I don't know what all the police farm has for educational resources, but the city communications department can also help with that, you know, through newsletters and and posters and whatnot. So I would ask that you get with them. Secondly, I'm going to put Sarah on the spot if, and see if she would be up for sharing your idea of the town hall at MEH. Are you interested in talking about that right now, Sarah? Sorry to put you on spot. But before we commit to MEH, I just wanted to give you a comment on what you just said about informing the public. I would just think her even if it is like a 30-second video of one of your office heard literally walking in a crosswalk and saying this is what is not okay and it's like a person walking and even if that person is six inches from the curb, you still cannot drive because I think we probably all witness that. I'm gonna go every day. Every day. Every day, right? I'm going to have to go to the driver. I'll do it. I'll play the car. I'll play the car. I'm going to do it. I think it's that you can make it very straightforward but educational, 20 seconds, things, but videos are like this is what you cannot do. We will take um the camera on the speed and the postman camera when we roll this up yeah you gotta go now go now go any bill you just start sharing and get the traffic stories and language oh the car is the reason've moved this as well and it's following what you witness a lot and I've witnessed what I'm with my grandchildren is. The cars challenge the kids. I mean, they're aging forward and the kid, you know, two kids are talking across the street. And they're like, get out of my way, I, you know, kids. It's, it's so dangerous down there. It looks to be about some boy. So yeah, anyway, I'm just saying like, I'm just saying like, it's good to be able to do that. And then to put it back to what Chess was saying. So, um, Mochi and I have middle school, a shoulder dances art, and as you know, like all these kids, even in a very walkable town, that's why we chose to live here. So many students bike and walk and eat food and eat bike to school every day, which is fantastic. But recognizing that they do not have the prefrontal or text form, the term, the bite, and the need for speed, there's been so many accidents and near missages. And so we used to reach out to the school administration and the middle school to say, is there an opportunity for maybe officer Reyes, who has still been loved at the school to have this town hall meeting with the kids? OK, the weather's warmer. Let's talk about what happens when you're speeding on your e-suiter, I'm only 20 miles per hour and you get in my car. 20 miles per hour, like your stall is fractured or something like that. So we're gonna talk to the administration about having a town hall meeting with the students of like, we want you to do all of this, but we want you to do it safely. And so we had just been emailing them today, but I just wanted to bring up to you. Don't feel like that may be something that we can work hard for. Absolutely. So last fall, if you remember, we had a young student head on Birch. I actually went to that crash myself. And immediately after that, we got with Andrew and his brother and the schools. And we rolled out exactly what you're talking about. So I came out on Saturday myself. We had three different sessions, one for middle school and elementary school kids and one for high school kids. And we spent time educating them. They took them out riding. And then also in December, I went out to the local scout group and talked to them on a bicycle safety route. I went back to them and made a having a jet of food competition machine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So, but yeah, we've already done it. Sarah, if there's opportunity, you email me directly and I'll be done myself. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks definitely. Thank you. Yeah. And I that's thank you so much for doing that. I think unfortunately it's just a it's a conversation that's going to need to happen no continuously, right? Sarah's son just got tapped in an intersection. My friend or my son's friend who my son like they both had needed to have e-bikes Well his friend just got hit in the intersection to hit and run your probably familiar with that in front of founder's row So these things continue to happen and these are just the people that I know You know, there's probably a bunch of people that I don't know that are going to do the same thing in our little city. So please, I just ask that you just think of it as a continuous task. And thank you very much. I mean, yeah, I agree. I, I bike to school and I've had thankfully no hits. But I think I have worked about a near miss a month in the warmer months. And it's, I mean mean it's terrifying and I think a big issue is just like it's an issue is systemic it's a matter of especially just like I mean like we're focused on now of like right of way and actually the right of way being heated and all that and of course a kid biking home from middle or high school isn't going to document a near mess so it's a matter of being preventative because they'll document it hit if they survive it. Yeah when I went and talked to the Scouts, like they didn't realize that when you're on a highly road, you're considering a motor vehicle and you're on a license. So I have a question about the bikes because obviously there are multiple different types. Most of them are pedal assist, but it's the ones that you've all seen them where yet don't need to even use the pedals. They have a motor to essentially, they're essentially e-mopebs. What are your thoughts on those being treated as e-bikes versus mopebs? Luckily, I don't have to have any of that because it's just a bunch of laterally e us Okay. So again, I don't have a, I didn't come prepared to talk about bicycles again. That's pretty much the same. But certainly I can send you the code section. So based on the kilowatts that each e-bikes have, there's different departments by state code. In terms of the age, the elements, I wasn't prepared for the scans, I just don't know all the details. Because under a certain age, you don't need a, or above a certain age, you don't need a helmet, you aren't bicycle, but if you're on a certain type of D-bike, you are made into a helmet. So there are state codes that speak to D-bikes and different kilowatts and let's talk about the speeds and all that. So I'll maybe send information in general and she'll call it. Yes, we'll probably need some education on that as well. I can tell you. Yes, you know. I got a lot of training on I can tell you there's right through and they're not. Sorry, but they're basically both heads. Yeah. Yeah, the ones that are the ones other close to that have a throttle. It's. I can't view it is that you don't have the pedal to go. That you're. It's a moment. Yes. And there are rules around both that stuff. But yeah, to your point, you're not marketed that much. No. I think we were still on Jess though. Do you have any other questions? No, that was it. Again, I appreciate your attention and devotion to this topic that is near and dear to my heart. And most of in the room if not all of us I'm sure so thank you. Well, you have a million chance. I think all my questions have been answered either by other people asking them or me or tag tagging on. David, I've been with the police for seven weeks, so I was wondering why the police are not on senti wearing custody. I'm wondering if you were on the court. When I was a star on the store and what not. I definitely had my own. No, I think I took, I explained that I didn't brief anybody on the sessions, but I don't think we have time. We don't, we don't have time. But I think we have to do it. But I've opened invitation, Sarah and other folks. And then I'm, I want to learn about how the police department's justice traffic safety, how do we do enforcement, how do we do education? We'll have another session next year and you know come and join us in and it was the fastest seven weeks. It went quite a really quickly. There was a lot of information and I think it peaked a lot of things that I learned through that seven weeks will show up right here in the room with the committee. I had a dollar every time one of the attendees said I have no idea. I have a lot of debt. Which is really good. Thank you very much. I already raised my contract. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, ways to see. So I know you were copied on this event to lady. The mayor, my 40 on to which it was about grow. Okay. People speaking to me there and it also talked about Virginia, but I want to, I have questions about have we seen a decrease in, hopefully a decrease in people in school class violations? Have we seen how are you doing with when it comes to school bus? You want to talk about the staff arm? Yeah, so I can get some data off of that, but the last time I looked at it, then a number of violations I had been going down when we got to 21-22 and they come into 23 and they're sorry going up again. But I have to check to see was that because they added new buses? So are they? Because when we started programs, less cameras and less buses, now there may be more. I don't know. I think majority of them do. About probably years they've increased the numbers. But anyway, so they're either about the same that's gone up a little bit. I don't like that. Good. Very expensive tickets to. We're good. Hi. Staying legislated. I think there are two on the field. I like our stick. The other one that other question that I had was there's a bunch of changes coming out. First of all, there's the new movie theater coming up beginning of May. It's supposed to open. Are we looking at how are you addressing enforcement and so forth with the traffic changes, the pattern changes, all the different things that are going to come. and those two things are particular. We have a plan there, so I'm sure you. pattern changes, all the different things that are going to come in. Those two things are particular. We have a plan there, so I'm sure you do. Well, it's not a whole lot different than the plans we already have in science, right? I mean, you talked about rows that are currently all kind of rows of young people. Well, there's the road. Well, with West Falls, there's Hey, how there's new crossings right over in place. There's the new intersection on Broad. That point I think is actually back to our day. There's the new internal street that I forget the name of that way too long. And then there's also with the movie theater. this was always a concern with Family Road, was worried about traffic coming in on Lincoln and West. Two Founders Road, it's going to be a new draw for people. Yeah, that means a lot of stuff we work with, the planners who work with the TVW Engine the new era as those constructions are happening will well where the new things are coming place like for example, you mentioned founders to Southwestery and working with the WNC business and not replacing the no-flow truck sun. It makes sure that trucks don't go on Southwest. So, we do work close in with them, but really, until those intersections go into play, so the traffic lights go on, operation off, not a whole lot for the police department to do, but when they do go operation, we are prepared to address a lot of issues. Are as the folks are coming in the next final part? Some work in the past. In years, but as the move can I interject on the movie theater, so they'll have some grand opening, right? As the movie theater reports, the police department, the war, and you kind of traffic control for the first weekend or nothing like that. I haven't heard anything about it. They may, for example, hopefully instead, they all turn. I remember that. That was a request. So yeah, so maybe they'll do the same and you maybe and one of the officers would be assigned or would they a plant with a? So that would be an off-duty detail. So they would have to submit for my approval to allow the officer to off-duty to engage that activity. But we also listed businesses for that business that would have come to us. Okay. If that's what they want to do. All right. That was what I had. I know that was three. I'm hopefully my daughter will get off the button and get a job at the theater. Well, I sound like I was going to be today. Really? Yeah. Good on you. Here. Her apartment is still a college, so it's like a needs to. I was gonna say she's in New York State, right? Yes, but they're doing a lot of this stuff remotely. She'll be back in May. So it's like she needs a summer job. And working at the movie theater when she's in a drama program, it makes sense. that's special. That's her. We've told her she needs to get job. We should get ready. Oh. working at the movie theater when she did a drama program. It makes sense, but that's what we've told her she needs to get job. We should get together. Well, thank you on behalf of every group. Her, your candidate, patient responses. Thank you for coming. Yes, this great news. I think we were hoping to make this once a year. I'll come more often if you want. Great. That's it. Excellent. That's a very nice thank you for sort of getting Sarah. Thank you. We are well behind so before we start NTC do I hear a motion to extend. Stand to nine. Exactly. I didn't fairly to fall. Thank you. 30. Yeah. 20 seconds. On favor. I had. I. All right. And you see, I think we have a couple public comments specific to it. I would say, since we're having a second period. The only question I have is, Jess, you said something about the memo not being white ready for the things? It's it's not ready to to vote on. Sarah and I had a good meeting yesterday where we kind of talked about reshaping it to where because I know it's like 10 pages now, but our new plan is going to be to put a lot of the recommendation that pages now, but our new plan is going to be to put a lot of the recommendation, the problem recommendation, you know, solution type things in a, and appendix to make the main, the main body. more concise, just a couple pages long, you know, making the big point that this area needs attention. So that was area needs attention. So that that's that was the what I had for you for that for tonight. If we're talking if we're going to talk about that memo I right now I believe that is why we have our visitor, Mr. Connolly. Okay. Well, that's why I want to know. Okay. Let me just buy a, uh, Mr. Connolly. Well, that's why I want to know. Okay. Let me just buy a Mr. Connolly on. Does you wish to make three minute comment? I'm here. Yeah, I just I send the letter just to highlight that particular intersection as a potential safety concern for the school area. It's an intersection that's used by the kids going to Oak Street, but also there's a bus stop for the secondary right there too. So I just want to highlight that as a potential safety concern so that you took a look at as a part of the overall Oak Street safety plan. That's all. Thank you for the ability to comment and reception the letter. And we get, and you sent that out to be a next. So we've all received it. All right, so we move on to NDC then. Yep. Yeah, thanks. I just wanted to say, I mentioned it in the comments, but I'll definitely incorporate that into the memo and thank you for that comment and thanks for comments tonight. All right, so we'll go on to the NTC monthly update for April. First up, we have the Greenway Downs Travelcoming Project. Update is mentioned last time. We don't approve the final product design plans on March 3rd. And the construction advertisement is scheduled to run the spring, following that the contract will be awarded and then construction to begin in summer 2025 and the wrap up by winter 2025. Winter 25 sounds like a later than previous. It's been fall winter. We moved it to winter depending. When it says spring 2025 it could be later spring not quite summer so based on timing of that we've changed it to winter just to keep it within scope project. Jenna, is the advertisement, has it actually been run yet? I don't believe so. I think they're getting really, really close. I think last week I was even told this week or next week. I think that's supposed to be underway super soon. At this point, it's been out of planning staff, hands more on contract side. So I've been hearing less updates from it, but we're still tracking it for this. Yeah, everything seems to take a few extra months on this project. So typically, which is incredibly frustrating. It is. That's important that the plan is approved by VDOT and they're set to go once the contract is awarded. Next we have Nolan Street update here. The neighborhood vote was sent out via mail and electronic ballot through pretty much the whole month of March, about three weeks from the 6th to the 27th. The vote has passed and met the 51% approval threshold to install the speed humps in signage. And currently an April staff have been conducting additional analysis regarding the placement of the speed humps and the speed hump signage based on the request from homeowners before a proceeding of installation. The most commented note from homeowners during the spoke was to look at the signage of whether it be placed in yards. That was a major request from staff. And there was a meeting between planning staff, engineering, went out as well on the street of the homeowner, and Mayor Hardy attended that as well. The talk through where the speed homes were proposed to go in, and some of their concerns of that. And once we have this additional analysis, ready to send out, we'll update the neighborhood and how it will proceed. Next is Southwest Street. Staff is planning to still provide an update on the speed heat applications and installation timeline to neighborhood working group this month. We have that that's on the schedule right that you said this month. Yeah, for April to inform the neighborhood working group of potential speed home locations. Thanks. And for North Roosevelt Street, pending the installation of the two radar speed displays and the high visibility crosswalks going in at North Tuckahose Street and North Sycamore Street. I believe the two radar speed displays, we went out and marked the locations where they're going in and the contractor for that said it's typically a four to six week lead time. So I had sent Tara a question about those radar displays and whether it was possible to use the new displays that include tracking. Have those installed on, replace the ones on broad with those and take the ones from broad and put them on Roosevelt. That way we could get the reporting information for broad, which is definitely a higher use higher value for the reporting. Farhan, do you know off the top of your head if that's a, I would assume it's not easy switch out that is it's fine. You can, I think you see any foundation. So if one is a put into the one, well, you'd be using the existing coal and foundation. That's what we say. And I think it sits in a concrete foundation. This is what you have to replace. I think if you're going to take the cost and move it, I don't. I still have to install the new one obviously all that. Yeah. So it's not a case that takes the job off, put on the new top. I don't know if they're the same brand, the same type. I don't know. I'm assuming that worst case scenario you have to take the one system in a little bit to the new location. Maybe you can just the the inner that's by best case scenario, but I don't know. That's something's going to fall. Yeah, well that's one. There's a way to update the bonds. Yeah, basically, it's kind of like I do with like, it was cell phones on the kids. It's like I get the new one to get some mine and almost downhill putting because most of them today, not have the recording tracking. Do you want the data? Right. But Okay. Any? The, the, the, you decided where the radar. are going to go and then a contractor's already been identified? Yeah, yeah. So for this, I went out with the junior transportation engineer, Renee, and we met the contractors on the street and they did the spray paint. It was on the grass. There's like a grass divide between the property on a CR and the sidewalk and the grass, but that was all. Thank you. Let's catch it up. These are solos. We don't wait on the trees. Right. I don't think the trees of the shade was the issue in the location. All right, next is Valor Street. Staff conducted a neighborhood working group meeting on March 20th. And the working group requested heavy solutions, such as speed humps for the street, and did not think that the proposed slight solutions would be effective for this. I was not in attendance at this meeting but I did receive a whole review and summary of it. I also attached a link to the presentation for anyone who's interested to look at the proposed slight solutions as well. Sure. Yeah. Mark, you want to share? We're in the last three, three, three, three, five, this couple of years ago, the light solutions were recommended. From that, there was an insert citizen that puts my 40-wide solutions to the solid. I mentioned that we would be having an ankle meeting if you wanted a great case. I think, I suggested there was any way to follow the additional data over to you. I don't know if the data is going to convince us what they're done. So it just, it goes back to what constitutes. Okay, this gives it somebody being allowed here and we're saying, I have Jack that I really want to have these solutions, but the numbers don't match and then I don't know the gentleman's name, but he would keep the city. He was in there and said, well, it's not have your solutions for less meeting. Jeff. Jeff, thanks. And so that to me was just whatever decision, you know, or recommendation CACT came up with. It is. If you don't outwear with less data than do it on the screen. I know which I see. I drive that street every time. Where do we see cars? I don't seem speeding, but that's not the data that was digitally collected. The challenge I have with other investigation of this the prioritization versus other efforts that the city staff has to deal with. Even this is prioritization versus other efforts that the city staff has to deal with even studying and looking at it the birth resources from other projects. Personally, I would rather have you guys working on the pedestrian situation at Lee and Broad than this. Well hold on, Art, isn't there a separate pot of money for NTC projects? I mean, there is however good, but that's not the constraint. The primary constraint is staff resources and the staff, we don't have dedicated staff resources. There are split among everything. So the same person who's investigating this would be happened. don't have dedicated staff resources. There you are split among everything. So the same person who's investigating this would be, have to be diverted from other investigations and other work. Okay, so not really a money question issue. We, I think, I mean, I agree. I think we all agree that prioritization, you know, for all of these different efforts, you know, be it sidewalks, pedestrians and all this NTC. I mean, yeah, like there's a lot of prioritization that goes into it and a lot of prioritization that each of us would like to see different. But the NTC program is a program with funding and I have a big issue if you're gonna say, like, well, you're gonna just push it aside and say, oh, we think this is a bigger project. Because then we don't have our neighbors able to put, you know, use this resource, which they obviously do because how many projects we have in the queue right now. It doesn't. It's a nice time to have that because that, but I think the point was the neighbors didn use the system. The recommendation that came back was light solutions. Part of the reasons why the neighbor objective was because aesthetically having FlexiPos in front of a house might not be welcoming to all the neighbors. And this one representative was speaking on behalf of the 12 or so houses that are on that screen. So I'm not happy with that. I want you, I want every solutions versus following the process necessary as the representative of the CSD. All I suggested was if there's other data to suggest why heavy solutions, why we've spent two years with the recommendation of like solutions and your opinion is you want heavy solutions. like what's going to convince you know on bringing back to the CSCT? That's why we're here. But I can't tell you that you're going to convince somebody otherwise based off of the same people sitting in the same room, sitting in the same date. And he's cool with it too, because I mentioned the fact that in other parts of the city, when heavy solutions went in, like one project has completely stopped because the neighbor didn't want the sign in there. Right? So he's going back to talk to every neighbor to understand what they're willing to have and willing not to have. So he's been a little homework too. So it's not like we're pushing anybody off. It's that we had a decent conversation but again it's starting and you know in the meantime you have somebody who has been certain and the city is not acting because and and part of this because he has come back and said I want to get through this process again with the long process and and I'm hopeful that you know if we can reach a solution apparently you can't put a stop sign and that four-way stop that would slow traffic down on the way on that road. Well it's a four-way intersection there's no stop sign and if you could end? Yeah, and that's, I don't want to just miss the process. It's this feeling that we've been moving forward with the process, the light solutions. I think we have that judgment of saying, we don't want to, that we're not seeing evidence that, hey, this is a situation where we need to jump to heavy solutions. Normal of the normal processes we put in the light solutions and see if they're effective. My frustration is this has been long enough that light solutions should already be a place. All right. Do you want one slight solution to that in place? Is there an in-hide? Is there a timeline? the flight solutions should already be at place. All right. Well, once the flight solutions are in place, is there an innocent? Is there a timeline? So it's like you have your flight solutions for six months or two a year or six months and then they try to doubt you. You see what I'm saying of like, so. Typically it's a year. Okay. And so that is something I was going to bring up the end of reviewing them all, which is I think the NTC program is a significant overhaul. There's a lot of pieces to it that can be better and I'll be asking the committee to send me if we could if we had a wish list of how we want this to work. What would be the improvements? I mean one of them that has frustrated us is the fact that the committee has no ability to initiate a CACP project. And it's like the only way we could is somebody going to people on the street and say, hey, would you please do it? I'm so convinced. To execute on what you just said, what would I read? The really understand. NTC handbook. So if I read the NTC handbook and I had some real suggestions, then should I put that on the calendar or next meeting? We'll just send it to me. Yeah. Send it to you. Yeah. It comes a longer process because it was also adopted by council. Yeah, and CCT did build up and did right. Good. Sorry, handbook. If we gave you some input to an overhaul, so things like this actually don't happen. It's one of the goals for the reasons for being. What would you then do with it? So I'm having a meeting up with Letty Tomorrow, one of the topics I want to talk about is potential to rewrite and update the the NTC program and incorporate these new changes. Who's the champion for the NTC? Who's the champion of it? I make for the director or the leader or the... It's planning. It's planning. Okay, but is it... And a person in planning who lives and dies? Probably. That's my. I'm. I know if you have any specific questions and how the handbook is very recent. It was right before I started for the city that it was. If you would. And you're you're chief cooking bottle. Yeah, so then when this. Sorry, I'm that had, yeah. So I'm like that. When the handbook was being drafted, I know Jess was there, Art, I'm not quite sure we need to learn it. We did a tweet. Right, that was an update. An update for more around the calculations and some other things I'm talking about. Let's, is there something? I spent a lot of hours of working on that handbook. And yes, it was somewhat the formula, but there was also a lot of process things that needed to be clear. I spent hours on it. I also spent half of a day in city hall or with Paul Stoddard and and can't remember the other one. The young lady. and I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I took that and ran with it if somebody wants to do that again, by all means, but it's gonna take somebody dedicated to it to putting time into it, and then getting consensus and then getting consensus with the council. I can also share the changes. So I could share the recent update and I can share the previous version of the handbook and what I'm really wants to see. I would like that. It was pretty major. It was not. From my understanding, it wasn't just the formulas that were changed. And if it's not extra work for you, I'd like that. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. And basically, I would like the Wikipedia. I'd like to. Yeah. How forward it. They read general. How are you guys? Evaluate the light solution version search? I think we're relying on DPW. I think we're relying on you guys to say it. And that's actually one of the other factors I'm like, should we be looking at the requests? That was a single timeline of like, than heavy or look at it or should it be? Is there a way for us to get to you know, accelerate it to get light solutions out there while we figure out the heavy solutions or whether they're needed or I mean, and also how does it get better? How does it get integrated relative to other projects because we've got this fragmentation of NTC, we've got missing links, we've got sidewalk repair, we've got paving. It's this fragmentation that and they're shared recently. So I remember a couple of years ago, there was a point where staffing on DPW was so bad. Had such an issue that we actually put all NTC programs on hold for like six months because you guys just didn't have anybody to work on. And so yeah, it's all relative. A lot of what goes into heavy versus light is the data that comes up and the high medium or low and how much traffic is on the street, you know, relative to other streets. Or at a stage where we have to actually deploy something to get the data. I think it's been collected on Fowler. Yeah. I guess from from my perspective working DPW. It's it gets it makes sense that it sounds a little bit circulated. We're all sort of putting fingers and asking questions. Um. But I think it with a lot in terms of getting things in the ground as soon as possible. If we knew what we're doing, what, what, once we got the data and once we've sort of looked at it, what our next step was without having to like spin our wheels. So if you, like for me, from my past job experiences, you typically rely on 85% health speed, right? See, right? Not saying that's what you have to do. But once you go over by seven house power, now we're talking about heavy solutions only, and which heavy solution could you? And if it was only say five house power over or if the volume was super low, we're not going to consider those speed ups. Now we're only talking about like solution. And I think for DPW and for the residents, they already know what to expect coming out of, once it comes out of CACT, they know they're street phone clockwise for one or the other. And it just streams out everything. And so we don't have to go back around because the resident thought they were going to get speed homes and turns out they're only getting flexi-posts or the other way around. So the NTC handbook had a low priority based on NTC handbooks that the risk assessment that is in the NTC never. Right. There is a calculation. There was a number of cars, it was presented last week and it was reinforced to the neighborhood that according to not a heartfelt vote according to an analysis that is part of our standard operating procedure light solutions are warned, not good. The way the risk portion is for prioritization, right? How soon we address it on our list of our backlog? But I don't think the risk the way I read it was for what kind of solutions we need. And I will say, so we probably do the providing on the day I have gained a few instances of the day that I've gained another accident in things. Right? Many of the kids initially liked solutions, but they can then even once, and if you're looking at an event, and the role wasn't, and not just begins to suddenly show out here, as an example, because the role of the experience comes from school league since I'm sure I'll get as an example. Because the role of the league is close to school and so in that instance instead of just uploading the flight solution and then it needed escalating into heavy aid and the league went to heavy even when the data didn't necessarily show that it required heavy it was we could sort of extreme, like extra circumstances that cost us to go heavy first. In that case, it's us to go heavy first. If that would be 10,000 years. That's a big, big, big, big deal. Um, I think many have the art versus the science. Like, we don't have many decision making power, but this is one of them. And we look at both the art and the science, and we make their recommendation. We don't need, yes, we use the formula and it's not just about risk for prior reciditation. It's about risk as somebody dying. And the decision that we made at the time was that it was probably fine to move on with light solutions. They have every right to come back and ask us to reconsider. And I think that's what we've done. I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel right now on this. I think we can just reconsider and maybe do we want to go back and vote on this? Are we going to reconsider and change it to hard or are we going to stick with the light? I think that's a good question here on this particular project today. On this particular one on Fowler, I would agree. So the question is really, do we want to reconsider heavy solutions on Fowler? Well, this rejects quickly. The neighborhood, the communities, the environment, they actually wanted. Great. Yes. So all of them are in the community. Right. back. I see if they're okay with heavy social science and their yard or bikes and posts. He was one person's folks and initiated this and he wants to be sure that he is actually speaking on behalf of the neighbor. So he was about to come tonight. There are public commentators and But whatever reason he's not here, I think communicated with him that when you're ready to have us reconsider, we'll hear you out there in public comment. It was a different way to fill about it. I don't have any issue, Firstly, whatever I think it is, it's one of the entire many. But it's one of the entire committee, but it just needs to come back. Representing this case. But in the meantime, do we add that to import with our solutions? That hasn't been agreed on by the neighborhood work. Everyone may have mistake. In that committee meeting, so I want big. Yes, so we can't do anything. That's not great. That's really frustration. In this. Because it made the one person. And yeah, they both know because. They want the heavy solution, but heavy solution but yeah three borders of the rest of them say yes and the counter argument is if they want they haven't if anybody would have been there at the meeting right or they would have put it in writing and you know is that a person's invincible? I think he's a, you know, got a legitimate concern. It's a, his voice is, is, is, is. There is as much weight as anyone else in this town. And then he spoke. He, he's a rassle human being. He's going back to make sure he dots his presses TV for his further delays and something he asked for. So he recognizes, you know, it's in the back on him. But he seems perfectly reasonable in his concerns. I had been in contact with him and his wife. Also I'm assuming it's the family on the corner with the four or five kids. Some of them with special needs that you unfortunately just run into the street. And so if that's the same person, I've been in contact with them also. It's been several months, but I did make it clear that if whatever direction that they're pushing the girl, they need the majority of the street. So I would hope that he took that into consideration. And just like you're saying, I have reason to believe that he would do that and not, but that's my opinion. And Jess, it is Nick Schelvin. So Sheldon's. Yeah, that's it. That's the same folks. Would it be our opinion that like solutions would actually bring us more safety? I mean it would bring safety more safety than it currently has? I don't personally like like solutions. I mean, ballards are one thing if we have ballers in place. I think they help more than painted curve extensions and signs. I personally always favor heavy solutions because that's the only real way that we can engineer a car to actually really slow down to the next step. Is that I don't know if that was the right way to say? Yeah, I think the proposal was to include, did include flexi posts. So it did. Yeah, I think it's just painting paintings. Now there's hall presentation. I mean S-plex, it agree with it. Just painting paintings. Can't do it. No, there's like there's hall presentation. I mean, that's like supposed to have show points. Yeah, you know, I mean, I don't work on it. OK, well, I haven't met the gentleman. I what I'm just catching, you know, a year. What I hear here is I want everything or I don't want anything. That's and that's not a solution to say. And so I don't know. That that's a tough one. Is Russ. I'm concerned. I he has a precise concern is I live here and I see the traffic and I do not believe like solutions will solve the problem and I don't want to wait a year. Yeah, when one of my kids is in my car, I'd rather you reassess us but in having solutions. Okay, so we need to illustrate to remember we reassessed up. So that's what we do. We see the only one at the meeting. Here's all of us meeting. And again, I think so. So we that's what we do. We only want at the meeting. Here's all the. Yes. And again, what we went back and again, I said. We will I will take this information back with a counselor as the messenger. Me as a also citizen in the neighborhood that suggests that the committee met. and wave all the options previously. What new information is out there other than your dissatisfaction that is going to change their minds. And it's there anyway, we can either reassess or is there more information we can, you know, so come here prepared to change our minds is what I told. And then I shared with them the concerns about some of the other heavy solutions that are being installed by neighbors didn't want signs in there. And I said so. You know, he was talking about the aesthetics of flexing posts in front of the neighbor's house and they might not like it. If you're concerned about that you gotta know what, if you're the spokesperson for the neighborhood, you gotta go back because we come back four months later, we're gonna put in heavy solutions to the neighbors like that sign and go up my yard. We need to invite this guy to a happy hour and just chat. That's where we needed them. There's no worry. to here. Yes. I'm saying that. Come, chief. But we look at the data, but in terms of, you know, what else is there? Just to do say that they have children who work. He has a child, especially needs is that. Is that the security has ever considered so we're talking about the curve of sure, sure, right? some that's sort of outside the wrong data I mean if that is that something that can be considered and we're talking about heavy solutions is there's a heightened risk of injury because there are special needs to right right at that the dinner section. There's not that. Definitely nothing and writing about, but it's part of the art versus science piece that I think that we can take in the consideration at my opinion. You know, the board of the board of the board is also a west. I mean, he shared that. He shared that with work. So, it's probably, I mean, but the college, but like he has opposed that. So it's pretty really. Should we invite him in? No, he wasn't invited. He wasn't invited to this being. And it could be for one reason, like we work from a life. I mean I mean, it could be. Yeah, we just get that. But I'll reach out and let him know the data next meeting as well. Okay. Yeah, and then on our side, we need kind of a person who really knows what went into that study. And how we came up with it just who wants to leave that someone has to leave that. From the data? Yeah, like so we asked the question, show me why you came up with that again. In process, she has this came up and we have was that in December of January? So we should repeat that again. That, that's why I'm not doing that. Yeah, so it was, it was just I'm reading. But I'm not doing these right. I'm not doing that because I put someone here is kind of up to that. That's what I'm trying to do. Yeah, the person who's been here is also helpful if anyone. Because I'm sure hope he does come. Yeah, lots of looks. But all. Okay. Yeah, I think this has the data to. I'm just curious. I might come back. Memory, I think we just. It was mostly just a fact. Matter of fact that there was just not. Not as much traffic. Through their. That which is why I think we. We from my memory, why we decided to start with light. Thank you for bringing that up. Yeah, and I think the main concern was very clearly the width of the road and that some of the analysis is based on expectation of people parking on a road where people don't park, which is I think why we were talking about like solutions, I think that it. I mean, that would well, and I wanted. Go ahead. I just to remind, I was suggesting that we put in a parking lane on the side of the, where the cemetery is, and which I know is not like, it's a little bit abnormal because normally we don't do parking lanes in residential streets, but we all know that there's exceptions to that because we all have seen them places before. So that was my idea to narrow the driving path, but staff did not take that consideration. So, and then looking at this picture, it's like you still have this, that whole stretch from the corner west to where that first choke point is, like you still have that whole stretch work, it's gonna still continue to be a wide street. Um, so, so I think that I brought up is that there's a entry point to the WNOD trail at the end of follow or one I just make a bike going. I think I think to help us really forward is there need to convince them. that our involved him the actual solution. And therefore tell him, you know, well, here are the 11 things you can have in my solutions. But what do we talk about? How we would implement that now? And how do you have him actually participate with us and come up with a proposal. That's so nice. We buy. That's what we do. And we don't like solution in there because we do believe, I mean, some people believe that. That's the link should be helpful. Right. And if it's not this, you ask them what you're about, but that's the one you're in place. And you know, yeah, we got. Okay. Sorry. I love that idea, but staff is still gonna ex-na on whatever they want. Just saying it may. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So staff needs to be involved in the conversation too. Right. Yes. And Jenna, you're able to maybe just be able to get in time the next line. Yes. Yes. I think there are a lot of things in the st instances that I think that's a big issue. And if they can't attend, please provide comment. Yeah, yeah. Otherwise, we have to assume that we should be moving on. That's a good point. Yeah, five minutes. Okay, I'll fly through home. I think it's pretty easy on this half. Okay, it's a good point. Yeah, five minutes. Okay, I'll fly through home. I think it's pretty easy on this half. Okay, it's a good discussion. For popular drive hill update on this, the staff will provide the revised set of proposed solutions to neighborhood working group. That is ongoing at the moment. And then for Cheryl Avenue, a staff is currently reviewing a few more requests that have come through from the neighborhood working group. One of those main requests have been pushing for a second speed hump on Cheryl. But there are some issues of that with spacing, so staff has been looking at that and seeing how to proceed. I think we're going to be able to. Because it could use. And it could use it could use some kind of a line of. Really separating that very angle. The only thing about the line I would have actually take a look at Pennsylvania Avenue which has a similar curve and has a line and some painting. It's still always cut. Yeah, it's not. It's still always cut. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of fun. So you can see what would happen. Yeah, it'd be nice if that's something there. At a good point, or something. But slowing them down would be good. Yeah, I mean, pretty similar. They're going to really be slowing down. Right. Yeah, and I think what was proposed there was taking away a few parking spaces. So that if there's two vehicles approaching, they can Yeah, it is more safely now. Yeah, it is. They saw what Ferrari looked at. I think the street width was too narrow to have that line. The have vehicles stick to that line up those sides. That does sound like with parking. So yeah. That sounds right. And especially I think the buses use it also they cannot stay. They can't get the right bus to come up there. But we're not. Right. East Columbia Street. Again, this is from North VM Viewer and Street to Sikamore. Staff has scheduled a neighborhood working group meeting at the end of April. It is April 22. I forgot who told me that they could attend. Just to get to the 0. All right. I don't know. And then update on the residential primary parking zone three. This is by Founders Road 2. Staff had received a petition following the letters sent out to the residents in the area. And the petition requested 247 no parking zone. Instead of the proposed two hour no parking zone proposed, the petition does not met that 75% threshold, and staff is currently meeting internally to discuss next steps. And for, again, other note, for cases in petition, data collection, the traffic data collection for Hillwood is underway for both study areas. So currently, the whole length of Hillwood is being looked at for data. That's a tell story. It's interesting. We had, I think, a previous case and around like 2015, 2017 data, it'd be interesting to compare it to. Yeah, see the changes with that. And that's all that dates for NTC. Okay, very good. We're doing a one minute left. We have now even talked about less than park What should I send the 940 Oh, they were All right, let's carry this quick. Oh, so we're always giving folks a straight round. Yeah. So I know a podgeist for not giving background folks until this week that I had sent background and draft with the additional data that we discussed. Pretty minor tweets sending ending to the language, mostly just referencing that we had this resource available and how I'm affected into our decisions and the impeccating, especially whether it's the addition of a stop line for the traffic exiting boundary row, as well as just the general signal fiber concerns, concerns dealing with pedestrian, we'll be looking at pedestrian crossings. I think that's where I presented well in the day that we included. The other addition to Mark's point during our last meeting was clarifying that grove that instead of a no-term sign that we would have said, you know, recommend including lines on the road to money. That is the area that she blocked. And then I think those were the major changes, but yeah, if you're just on any other feedback, questions, thoughts, or as I think this is probably close to finalized. Next, it's time. So what would be the next step? That would be what we're going to do. I think so. I think so. Do the people think this is ready for a vote? Finally question. Would it be? Assuming the change in traffic patterns when I'm moving there to the music and the founder to across this three will probably have some sort of traffic impact that the intersection, assuming all that will happen, any of your recommendations significantly change based off of... So the only ones that I thought about that too, the only one that, honestly, I have a little bit of concern with thought of the interesting to talk to management and founders was honestly I'm recommendation because I wasn't sure how that went with their vision and I would assume that they would be okay with that but especially just with the traffic patterns changing and the intersection. I found I would be curious to see how they envision what's coming. For the ten parents, ways that are ready to get, the intersection. I found this too. I would be curious to see how they envision. I mean, it's, I mean, it's, it's, His head parents, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to get you to an art official park, you know, in the art official grass, like you have kids playing soccer, running, but they can have a fruit tree. It is. Yeah. It's not even that good. Yeah. And we have, like if the city has saved that versus time, we're drove the city needs a you know, I agree. I mean, I think it's it sounds but I don't. And just someone who lives there, it's already blocked constantly. Yeah, like, I'm like, I'm like, you know, like, well, I'm wondering what it is. Three. I think I even know. I feel like I'm part of the building on the earth. I've lived there since 2022. Try to win. It's happened to you. For five hours. I was actually. Yeah. Well, I think the. It's not just that the. The leader will open. It's that all the construction. Hopefully will be removed. Like the apartment garage there, which one lane hadn't been since they started, I'm assuming with the theater opening that that's finally going to be a two lane entrance. So we're going to see, it's not just more traffic, it's the actual... That's what it's like to actually record. Yeah, so I don't know about do but I think the more activity there, the less the three traffic is heavier. So problem. Yes, people are not going to be so easy. I don't know. I just don't know. One, I mean, I know I know that that changed. I shared this with Jennifer Jennifer on, but I again, the manager of the property of the presidential space and reached out to me about concerns with signal time. It's happy where we're talking now. I've never experienced it even though I come and go from there quite a bit, we're folks were saying there were delays, in these signals where drivers were getting in green light at the same time that pedestrian and conflicting walks on, which I haven't seen it, I know you share that. You all on it, there was gonna be some follow-up on that. Yeah. Or likely you got a green light light and a pedestrian was in the crosswalk. Yeah. Because they were walking against the light of the time. Yes, the crosswalk, especially on the trail. Any more section is problematic. But there, I think there are some. One thing everybody agrees on. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, timing to some simple, basic timing, because as we can make. I afforded that along. So it's out of my hands. Good. And one of the things you have about the network. Well, that's the one that gave it that. So one question I have is the graphics. They seem to be the same ones. We got the previous meeting. Yes. And we had a question, for instance, the first graphic, where there wasn't the red on the... Yeah. I do have some insight there. I'm like, is that... I think we were talking about... Was that a data issue? Because it didn't make sense. So... This is the illegal crossing in graphic, right? Yeah, we got yeah. So I did call it range, and I probably should ask some more questions that I did. But that data shows crossings outside of the cross-sale. So the system, I think, has a box for them to find cross-sing area, and everything marked illegal is happening outside. So, and then this is, it would be also what's the deal in front of? Found, yeah, it's the box walk. Yeah, it's the closet. They should definitely clearly mark it as a box walk. They probably, they probably looked at it and said there's no box walk here. And I think one of the other things too is that I don't think each dot is a cross-net. I think it's sort of tracking the way someone is walking. So like each dot is like a second time, I think. So again, you look at your order and send us, so somebody did this, they still show a bottom up in the cross-net, but're still a bit above. And I think the red side, she tap where everybody, yeah, I think to the left, yeah. To the incident. And then we need to talk about that. Yeah, so I think that's not necessarily the graphic that we want. And what we want to include crossing in the crosswalk against the sickle. Yeah, that's what we would like to see. And that would explain what nobody's crossing outside the crosswalk on the trail. Because it's so wide. Yeah. So wide and can't keep. Yes, nobody, nobody leaves the crosswalk. There in the crosswalk. Makes sense. Why, I would be open to volume to through Jenna and then also asking about the specific that is what is something more about the system and to see because I mean, I mean, the near miss piece, I think is still accurate, but it would be good to talk about this piece to see if there was form again. Yeah, I'm not going to talk about it. I wonder why it wasn't more. Yeah, the near miss only counted like four instances. Yeah, at least it's just counting a little bit of time and then the. It felt I think when you looked at the full thing, it was a little confusing because I think that's the one where some of the other roads were mislabeled. So it's like it's the system getting confused because West is adjacent and just a weird intersection. And I'm also working on a time when Red should come again, an update. and I believe CACT and ESC are also going to be invited. To when council receives the smart cities update as well. So that could be a double but also a time where Red should come and explain more. The data are like any questions on this intersection to. So becoming a budget budget season and I think the process we've taken with memos like this I think you've previous admission of the old street one people are like, huh? I want to present this to I think it's the films of being public comment to council. I'm not sure. Well, actually, if it's going to be in the public comment period, then we may be able to get on, but I'm thinking we may want to think for their full attention and how late the meetings have been going. I would encourage it to be pushed a little bit just for their full. Yeah. I'm still thinking there, they need target next meeting to be. You may want to push a little bit just for their full. Yeah, it's a little sinking. There you need target next meeting to vote. Any council? But in the meantime, we schedule, try and get scheduled to say, okay, we're going to vote on this next meeting and then almost immediately we'll go. Yeah, because it won't have to be a full council meeting now to work in the group. Right, because I believe that's when the smart city's program updates going back to as some of those elements of this in here, I think that would. I think June would be great. I was actually thinking lately I had to leave, but maybe it's actually was might be better before the smart cities so that it's fresh in their mind and two weeks later they get the smart signal update. It starts getting thinking about that stuff. And by late May, the only thing is we do not want to be going during the budget meeting. I can look at the schedule and figure out a date. Well, the budget get approved and then go. Yeah, so that'd be like late May. Especially the kind of controversy about salt waste. Yeah. Rockshippedeers are already flying. That's not late. The salt waste proposal was, it was done. It didn't use more. Jess? Question one of the, okay, like they are, what are they called the fast action group people that were supposed to be quick reaction. I'm not sure if you're asking me to spot. Great. Like, could they deploy and just freaking put a stop line at least. At Founders Row. I'm sorry if that was already discussed and I missed that. But like, I feel like that's like the one thing. It's just like a, what is it? A 12 foot white saw line that just needs to get put right there as you're exiting. Founders row. Well, that's that's possible. That's actually one of the recommendations I would actually make is of these recommendations, we should probably identify which ones we would say these can be done by the rapid response time. But these are technical changes like the walk signals or things like that. don't have to go dig up dirt or whatever. You can just shade the traffic light. It's not a full replacement. And then there's some hard solutions on here. Raise crosswalks, or definitely a hard solution. Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, Tristan's been looking at this for sure more intimately and, and yeah, I think that might be a good way to kind of deliver it is like, hey, like real quick, these quick, these things that these couple things can't be too much, but like if it's just a couple things like that's that could be implemented super quickly. That that that might be a way to at least get some progress. Just a program. We're not looking for everything on date. I'm just going to put it in the right now. I'm going to put it in the right now. I'm going to put it in the right now. I'm going to put it in the right now. I'm going to put it in the right now. I'm going to put it in the right now. I'm going to put it in the right now. I'm going to put it in the right now. who knows why. That might actually end up being a solution. I don't know. That would be ridiculous. That's how it works in a one-story. Should it? Oops. Patagonal urbanism? This will be in the agenda next month. Yeah, so for the next month, we'll take a vote on this. Right. We need to find a way to try and get it scheduled for right out. The meeting after. How you vote on that. Yeah, and I also can ask. Two weeks after they went. When would be the best time to based on other. Public comments or any other communities coming to City Council or other things. Yeah, but that's instant push things off. But I would say we want to come on this date. Yeah. Yeah, especially if I could give a few dates. Usually I get told which one's best. Okay. Does anybody have. Oh, okay. What upcoming meetings do we have the reading? I know that was April 22nd for the East Columbia. I'm not sure if it's going to be a long time. I'm not sure if it's going to be a long time. I'm not sure if it's going to be a long time. I'm not sure if it's going to be a long time. I'm not sure if it's going to be a long time. I'm not sure if it's going to be a long time. I'm not sure if it's going to be a long time. I probably have one person. I have it on my calendar. Okay. Okay. That's Earth Day as well. Oh. I should make the slides Earth Day. I don't know anything else. Let me do that. I'm sorry. Actually, yeah, I think it is in dogwood. So you're in dogwood or Laurel. I think it's in dogwood. I remember right. For other meetings. I don't think I have any other. I think we're getting to the end of the neighborhood. We're in group meetings for now. East Columbia was the last one. All right, so we're not going to extend that. We actually are. So for May, we got the Paying Plan, Media Transition Plan, Transportation Dashboard, and we need to put the vote on the memo on here. Just do we need to put a vote on Oak Street, memo on here. That's the goal, yes. Okay. I'll leave that on there. That's pretty full. It's possible that a transition may get pushed, something something may get moved over to June since June is looking later. I feel like we're missing something we always ask about. Oh yeah. All right, two other things. Amanda. Great. Amanda. Okay. And of course we always are asking about how graphic response is prioritized in creating all of that. And that's so with ops. All right. I think we'll just This is command up on. That's not a bad idea. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Does anybody have anything else? Do I hear a motion to adjourn? Oh, adjourn. 10. All better. I. Okay, Richard. Hi. Thanks, Jess, for dealing with the issues today too. Yeah, and good patience and recovery from the sign. Everyone shift in. That's why we ran. That's why we did. We had technical difficulties. Yes. the doors in the room. Good night everyone. Thanks for not being late. Good night, Jess. Good night, Jess. Night. Night.