I'm sorry. It doesn't work today. I don't know what this is. Just a prayer. I'm sorry. I'll wait for them. They're ready. All right. We're ready. I think. Yes. The hammer. I guess I wasn't quite ready. All right. It's five o'clock or five o'clock. We'll begin this city council meeting with the park heads on. It's today is September the 16th. We'll begin with a roll call. Councilman Westmani. Here. Councilman Cindy Stresslucky. Here. Councilmember Greg Turner. Councilmember Marcus Yax. Councilmember Adam Turner. Councilmember Marcus yes. Councilmember Adam Estilper. Mayor Dan Rays. We have a quarpment. Thank you for the stability to be here and for the ability to serve this great great city we call Winchester. It's in your name. We'll begin with the apartment heads and start with the fire department. Good afternoon mayor council members. start with the fire department. Good afternoon mayor council members. You have my report. I'll just give you a quick little clip notes on what's going on. We just had the 9 11 race this past weekend. Honestly, I think our staff did an amazing job. We're having a cold. Of course, I wasn't able to make it. But we had a meeting this morning to talk about in that after-actroom report. And it was Kudos to the Public Works Department, police department, Gavi and Jen. They picked up that ball and ran with it. We did figure out that maybe we start a lot earlier. Then I think it could be a huge success if we start maybe in June and we start advertising in June and maybe get some sponsors and so on so forth. But I could do it in that thing. I was there and I was looking around and I couldn't find you so I went ahead and talked to Jennifer and Gabby and we're're thinking if we move into Saturday morning. Yeah, that was one of the topics that we discussed. Most of the racers on Saturday, so if 9-11 is not on, if 9-11 is on a Sunday, then we'll probably run it on Sunday. But all the other time, I think Saturday's going to be the best bet because of the church crowd, people want to go to church, so on, so forth. Yeah, because I think we'll have better participation if it's on a Saturday. 100% I think Jennifer took notes. So she's going to type up something from that mistake and it shall probably spread out to everybody. We had that stop the belief class this past month. We had over 30 people there. I thought it was fantastic. It was a heck of a turn out. I believe that we're going to start doing it probably quarterly. Next will probably be in January, January, so we're depending on which time. And just keep on going until we are completely empty. So we're going to keep on providing that great class. And he's not here currently, but he's got a council of reacts and an amazing job on that teaching. We had a great safety meeting with Winpress Elementary just to start a new year. We did purchase the nine sets of bunker gear that we were a lot of last time and the alliance has matched so they were so I do want to put those to the alliance for that. And then one really other quick note we noticed today our hard marks knows today that urban air is closed So urban air is not with us They're not there anymore or there So We'll see you in the next video. Okay. So, I don't know. You guys have any questions on my list? Yeah. I just have one quick one. How has the coordination going between you and Chief Cole? Oh, I've retained the, uh, the pets, the animals. Yeah, the non-leafable. The non-leafable. We were sitting now. We're kind of working it out. Just to keep a brief description of what council member a Westman was talking about is maybe using the fire truck or the small car turret. And if we have to break up, we're something just using water, but we're still trying to figure that out. We're still in discussions on that. And how are we doing on the NOX campaign? That's going fantastic. As a matter of fact, we just put another Knox box in today. So are we running short? How many more do we have? We just had, we just face in order of 10 so we just got rid of two so we have eight more so we're still good right now. Okay, thank you. Was there a fire drill at Heritage School also Yes, there was a hard fill in there. That's how we find it. They didn't call us. They didn't let us know about it, but yes, they did have one. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Fire Alliance. So, first one of the start off with, we know the financial report you guys have not received, and that is because we are working with the CPA to get him access to a book so that we can get you guys the metrics to be more on that in just a bit. In regards to money, we've taken into everything that you guys, the movies we've had, Mayor Rees and Councilman Yax, and we are spending money right now. A much needed items, Chief Ivan mentioned that nine sets of bunker gear, we are matching that at $35,000. Thermal imaging cameras were spending about $10,000 on thermal imaging cameras for the department's use so that we can have each firefighter can have those issued directly to them and it's not going to be a cool situation. Can I ask you a quick question? What is a self-formed thermal imaging camera? So it's exactly what we're using now. So it's a new version of what we're carrying now. So old school versions of thermal imaging cameras were a large piece of equipment that you could take into a fire. Now each firefighter will have a thermal imaging camera so that if they're ever in a fire doing a one-man response, which we typically would not have on an interior attack, they have the ability to check hot spots throughout when we're doing rehab and overhauling a space for check and see if there's any hot spots hidden behind walls that we don't know about. So this camera is carrying it, but it has a wand? Is that... It looks like a cell phone, so it'll be the same as in that here you go right here Yeah, so if you can you can point that Council mistress like he's got the right idea. Is that like it's like a next ray or? Detection differences in heat. I didn't know that. So those are the newest ones we just... We can see Wes's wires. They're first as kind of a color. They're rubberized. They're a thing with things from... Oh, that's creepy. Retriever glasses. don't look black. Yeah, I'm gonna press it. It's often now. Very Halloween though with the black eyes, sir. Claudia. You don't have to close the thing and go through. How much thickness? Uh, so it doesn't really penetrate, uh, well, it doesn't really penetrate surfaces that read surface temperature. Um, so if there is, so behind a wall somewhere or fire in an attic crawl space that that temperature is going to read much higher and we can tell that all that. I was wondering if you could take it in like that and find a person. Let me show a little demonstration. Put your finger down. Right. I'm serious. Put your finger down and look at where your finger is. Okay. See your finger? Yeah. Okay. Now just take your finger and rub it down like this. You see where your finger was? Yeah. There's a ghost there. The point is, is that it's that sensitive to the heat signature. So it's sensing the heat signature on that. Awesome. But to answer your question, Councilman Manning, yes it can. And it is commonly used for certain rescue measures, especially in areas where there's low visibility, lower note, disability. Okay, so this is pretty neat stuff. So what kind of warranty or guarantee do you have on? I mean, do they get replaced? How do they use up a replace of battery or what? They do have a manufacturer's warranty that's standard and I don't have that information on the head. We typically we press those every six years Is right around the lifespan of those and the technology evolves with that anyway to where we would want to replace them anyway Even if they weren't at end of life So if we're moving on past Yeah, just just remember this is a file alliance. He's not the fire chief Thank you, thank you We also spent $12,000 on or we put it $12,000 on a new gym so we have a fitness coordinator with the fire department that we're working with it It is set up a basically a cat drawing into the military Elementary version of the cat drawing of what the new gym setup will look like for utilizing one of the equipment that we currently have and we're phasing out some of the older broken equipment and we're adding to a lot of the free ways for a health and fitness program to me. Bylaws we do have the body right now. We intend on having those to the city by the end of this week. So on Friday we would like to present the body approved and signed bylaws with you all. It is right now it's with the body for their vote and for their any kind of recommendations or changes that they want to see made. Nominations for the new board are going on as we speak. Again, I wanted to thank everybody for their consideration with allowing city employees to take the board member seats. It is going to be oddly beneficial to the city and the board. So that's kind of brings us into into budget. We do we are going to have a special meeting where we're going to discuss and vote in our new budget. Right now so we're working with with the CPA they we have hired them on under contract. Mayor Reese, you've got a chance to meet him. Councilman asked for you to as well. So for those that didn't get to make the meeting, we're working with Bass Associates. They have 12 people working under them and then we're working directly with Hunter Bass, who's the firm owner. He's been doing finance for 27 years. He's extremely knowledgeable. He's both a CPA and an attorney, so we're actually kind of tapping him for both sides. So he was able to take a look at our our violas and give us legal advice on what should be included with those violas that were covered there. All aspects of financial reporting and tax compliance he's taking care of. We're right now taking care of everything with the state. We have, we're finalizing and facing out everything that has to do with the association. So we're canceling their EIN as well as their tax, uh, state tax filing. And then we're getting a state, uh, tax and sales use permit from the state as well. Um, we're going to be, he's going to be working with the Alliance to create and maintain the budget. tax and sales use permit from the state as well. He's going to be working with the Alliance to create and maintain the budget, processes and controls over expenditures, creating a dashboard. And the biggest thing is, however you all want this reporting from us in the future, we can fine tune that dashboard and we can retrieve all the information that you could want. If it's at a very, very granular level, we can deliver it. If it's a very broad overview, we can deliver that to, and give you the 30,000 foot view, with the ability to look into other expenses as well. So, if there's no questions. Excellent. Thank you very much. Thank you again for the advice of the guy. Absolutely. Release. We got National Night Outcoming on October 1, and I think we have the banners up now. We'll just put those up, thank you all. And we had security seeing first though. We got a lot of things. Anyway, so we're looking forward to that. You know, this year we are trying to put it back into the neighborhoods. And so I think we've had Jennifer and Josh are handling that. But I know we've had one neighborhood that saw that. So we're looking for more. They called down here. Anybody who's wanting to do that, call down here. Let us know. And we will get, we'll put them on the list. Make sure the officer gets by there. Other than that, I've got the report there. Anybody have any questions on that? Thanks for the correction last month. On the one you changed. Red now understand what I have to show You're standing on the right. Yeah. Yes, that's the emergency. Yes. Well, apparently the, the, uh, they have a computer system now where you, uh, cases are followed by tropical computers. And it went down to Matthew, uh, through the last mile. So there was, uh, yeah, but I'm monitoring it. We can add a staff and we're down to right around two minutes on emergency calls and are right about five minutes on You sent five for non-emergency And you've totally switched over to the 12 hour. On patrol. Yes, for patrol. So that gives how many officers on per day? I mean, per shift. I have a sergeant and there should be three officers. Some places before. Right now, our staffing level is fully staffed. I can't hire anymore. I've got two cadets that are coming on. I'll go here real quick. And we can't do any more hiring. We have any more issues with our animal pickup costs? No. Please. animal pickup calls? No. We have started a new animal control officer this morning. I'm training to do that. Where are the cadets? You said there's two cadets in training now. Yeah, still at the side. I'm going to graduate first of all to open. Okay. Very good. Nice. Thank you, Chief. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is Paul Court. I can't hear you. I said we finished board roundup on Friday. So I'm going to calculate all the warrants and the numbers. And then I'll say to you. Thank you, ma'am. Public Works. We have a very busy month in August. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Public Works. Thank you, ma'am. Public Works. Thank you, ma'am. Public Works. Thank you, ma'am. Public Works. Thank you, ma'am. Public Works. Thank you, ma'am. Public Works. Thank you, ma'am. We have a very busy month in August. I will go over every item on the touch on some highlights. During August we were still mowing, trimming and edging all of our green spaces and drainage areas. That has changed as of September but that's what a lot of our time and focus went to. Because of the rain and kind of really had everything growing. We did some work getting ready for wind-cress literally. We cleaned up their lot. There's some of those lines that I'm not sure. Some of you guys may have thrown your back to our little purple flowers. They get pretty intense and they took over the backstop. So we had to get up there on ladders and it took a little bit of work to get that out of there. But when we straight up the foul ball markers, they're a bit wonky. So we don't amount, we straighten them out, getting ready for their scene to come up. We did our new concrete pad installation for the new dedication tree, it went really well. It looks really nice. We have a lot of extra power there, so we'll be able to get the tree and any events that we decided to do up there. We had the band plug into that at the 9-11 run so we know that everything works really well and so we'll be able to support any kind of activities that we decide to have up there. We laid that base approach to give us as sort of gradual as we could. It was about an 18-inch lift on one of the ends so we tried to drag it out as much as we could because we know that the folks are going to want to walk out there for the next few weeks, so I'm going to throw that stuff. We tried to focus on walls of, trying to touch on some of the things that the intern had mentioned in his presentation, so we did some cleanup on walls of the trash and the islands. And we appreciate the traffic assistance from PD because we wouldn't have been able to get that done as thoroughly without their help. It is frustrating how quickly the trash comes back. This is something we're definitely going to have to do, monthly or buy monthly just because it was days and there was already trash back in places that were very frustrating. We cleaned up the old shell station lot as well. It's not ours but you know we're trying to do our part to help our friends from the EDC get a tenant in there and get someone wants to come look at it. We wanted to look as nice as possible so we cleaned up the trash. We cut down the weeds that were there. We had a stop sign that got hit so we took care of that one and then during the month of August, well over there we were getting any van on control officer and we were helping them with the dog station clean outs and picking up a couple of just e-cam on the road. We did the traffic delineators in the four winds area and within about a day someone had already hit them and taken one out again so we had to go back out there but crack they seem to be in there pretty good right now. I think someone may have hit another one but I think they took it. There's a space but there's no delineator so I think they took it. There's a space, but there's no delineator. So I think they took it with it to hide the crime. We did some minor work to the I-Rator and found at the Wimby Hall of Bond. It wasn't working for a little bit, so we got that going again. We're going to be doing some cleanup on the island to cover that. And then a couple of just special mentions that we have are sending to employees to the Botanical Gardens to get a certified Arborist and Tree Health Training course. It's 32 hours and then they will be able to take a test for certified Arborist. And then I believe three years later, you go back for a license. So for one of the individuals, he's already certified. So this is going to be renewing his certification for the other individual. This is entirely so we'll have two certified augurs in the city to really work on our trees. We have over 500 and so it's going to be a chore to really get that under control again. Yes, if they're not certified by the if they don't get dirt, you said they have to work for three years to get certified, right? There's a certification and there's a license and there are different things. So, certification will come after the training course and they hold that certification for three years if they want to achieve a license. And it's sort of like, you know, when you have a journeyman in an apprentice that works a little bit differently, but trees, when you're certified you can do the work. But when you're licensed, you can say, oh, I'm licensed. And that's sort of a step up. And so if you're a business person and you're running a business, it matters to you. To us, it doesn't matter as much. But if you're someone who has a private business, you want to be able to say that you're licensed because it'll look a lot better than just saying you're certified because they know that they come with three years minimum experience And we're going to have two. We're going to have two, yes sir. And they're both, I mean, one of them is already underway with this year's, but this will be a fresh start for the other one. So, and our mechanic, we have a really great mechanic. That's why it's going to get its own section on the report coming up. We have a 25-year-old daily use vehicle. Daily use is this is the vehicle that's used for the school to put out the cones and the guy that drives it to the park every single park every morning. We use this vehicle constantly all day, every day and it's 25 years old. He's able to keep that vehicle on the road. We had it go down and he was able to take a shifter out of a 26-year-old vehicle and put it into our 25 real people. So I just wanted to mention that because he is very, very good at his job and that's also why you see here the fleet maintenance report coming up pretty soon because that's not the only thing he did. One thing you'll, I'm going to say now I didn't want to wait until the September. The backhoe the other day. The street server you had asked about the water for the street server. The issue was that the spray bar was broken. He fabricated an entirely new spray bar. He did the street server. So stuff like that, I just wanted to mention him because he is, but I don't know how that is now. Okay, so what's the name of this shabstand and guy? Chico, you know him as Chico. He's been with the city for a very long time. He used to be with the water department. He left the water department and we picked him up. And he does a lot more than that. He still holds his plumbing certifications and he lends a hand whenever we have issues there. So, but other than that, if you guys have any questions or if you're going to make sure he keeps his water license. We're helping maintain those those plumbing licenses so that when we do have issues like backflow and things like that What caused the water Stoppage there at the take us part. Oh, we had a two-inch Ball valve that it just failed it it was it was old. No, there nobody hit it. Nothing happened It just failed one night and when we came in the next morning, the fields were flooded. So we do have a couple of guys who are very good at irrigation and they were able to take care of that. We did, a little bit did have one day where they didn't have water. We communicated that to them. So they had a short practice that day. After that, we had them up and running again. Right now the irrigation to the fields is still down, but that's because further down the line we discovered a separate issue that has specifically to do with irrigation and about not closing properly. And so it will result in the fields themselves flooding. So right now we're working on that one again. They should have irrigation by the end of the week. I'm sure. All three irrigated are just two. Leave just two. One of them's just dirt, so we don't. That's right there. On the alley repairs, could you give us in the future, either which ones are the number of blocks that you've done? Because that always comes up as a concern. And what's a light on post office tree? Oh, OK, I'm sorry. So that, the trees out here, the two trees that we had right outside the post office had lights installed over the many years ago. And they're great. They provided a lot of great ambience for the area. The issue is that they were mounted to the tree, which is a disservice to the child of the tree, but also it over time started to stretch the wire that connected it to the ground because it was stapled into the tree here, but it was also stapled into the tree at the root. So that wire started to grow and grow and grow, and it became very taught. At some point it was going to break or just fray enough where the electricity would still be running and then someone occurred to himself. So we had our facilities, Maine's Tech cut it. And it was just one light that was disabled. And it was the one that was in the tree shouting down. So all the ones on the ground shouting out were still in service. And I was glad to see that the door locks came off the rust rooms and we have what look like like a game. That's a COVID-19 we have switched back to the push plates. And to thank you for the spray bar on which you already mentioned. And I think it's excellent that you're sending two people to the Botanical Gardens. Of course. There are different areas that are so that more various, very happy with that. That's happening. Training hopefully will be a much bigger part of the public versus part of moving forward. That resulted in two other people approaching me and asking if they can go to specific trainings outland. In other parts, that are better necessary. So I'm very happy that that was open. We're going to be necessary for the light up. We want a lot of new stuff for light up. There's some stuff we're going to be able to take out. But we're going to add them to the section we already have. We just need to lay a pad. We have plenty of time. It won't be until the disassembly of the new tree that that new tree by itself it takes up the space at one so I know I was gonna ask you Oh, sorry, that's there if you try to call I might I answer I might miss your call I try to spend as much time in the field with the guys as possible Sometimes they don't hear my phone working on that and getting a thing that so I'll be able to hear it So very good Thank you You see Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. EDC. EDV Mayor Council. First, I'd like to thank the citizens of Wincrust for their continued support and interest in the Wincrust Economic Development Corporation efforts. We're fortunate to have seven citizens applying for four open EDC board positions. Additionally, we had another high-level executive interest center applying, but unfortunately, she couldn't meet the application deadline of eight year, eight years, eight days before today for the City Council policy. We've also spoke with several other residents who've expressed interest, but we're not able to apply at this time. This high level of interest reflects the success we've experienced, the effective programs we've implemented, and the strong support from the City Council for Economic Development in our community. The individuals that you'll appoint later tonight will be poised to begin their service with the start of the new fiscal year on October 1st, so I'll be sworn in at our first board meeting. Thank you for your leadership and ongoing support of the Economic Development in Windcrest. On to the report. Real quick before I forget, Mr. Eslecki, you had asked about DMB, Denise McGee, Brown Insurance, is what DMV is. Correct? Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to mention that before I forgot. So for project activity, we're working with two new leads for a pad site on the Wincrust International Business Park property. That is just never a good flow for me. Anyway, both are considering the site next to Dundles and Dumplinx Building. We've provided criteria and financial offers to ICP and JLL. Also, two new office operation leads considering the form with towers have been developed and provided to Transwestern. Mario had the lead on those. For leads in prospect development, lead generation was sound in August with eight projects identified and analyzed. Follow followed contact was made and the process continues as needed. Leads have been developed from the Governor's Office of Economic Development Tourism, freighter SATX, local real estate firms, and calls on regional site selectors. Again, Mario had the lead on that. For business retention expansion and technical assistance. In August, we conducted visits to a total of four businesses through our BRE efforts. And we also assisted six businesses with registering for the city with the city and doing business in Wincrest. These included Essence of Dance, Truetella, Mears Group, Mrs. Kitchen, DMB, FICAPEX, Fidelity Benefits, JD Todd, Randall, State Farm Office, and Synergy Home Care. Karen has the lead on business retention expansion and the technical assistance provided there. For real estate, we continue to work with Building Hope to identify possible uses for the almost nine acres that remain fake at next to the Compass Rose campus. Potential uses include office retail and residential. Building Hope has developed a rendering for a proposed 10,000 square foot office building in commercial sites along a new road to extend into the site from Windsor Hill. Uses and costs are being analyzed for presentation to the leadership. Mario has a lead on this. We're talking to Councilwoman Srinazaki before the meeting. They're not prepared to share all of the details of their plan yet, but it is something that they want to bring to the city council. So once they are ready, we will work with them to bring those plans to you, but again, they're not ready yet. For new businesses, in August, care essence signed the lease at Ruff Road, a Ruff Road provider location. They're completing their finish out and registering with the city Karen had the lead on that. Social Media highlights Karen led an initiative to help Buffalo Wild Wings Generate Business and recapture previous customers by implementing a social media contest that called attention to their new air conditioning system. The reason that was relevant is because they lost a lot of business because their air conditioning was not working for a decent amount of time. And as you can imagine, a lot of folks didn't want to come in and eat hot wings in a hot restaurant. So they made contact with us and say, hey, is there any way you could let people know that our air conditioning is working against? We can try to get folks back in. So two individuals from the many who responded, won the contest. They received a swag bag of one-press items plus a $25 gift certificate. Hopefully we did a little bit to get some business back in for them because something like that is very unfortunate. We hate to see a business suffer just due to something that happens to everybody really. We've also started, oh by the way, so when we say Karen was elite on that, that was all 100% Karen said. Hey, here's the problem that's come up and here's how I think we could address it and we said go and run with it and it was very successful. She had a lot of social media interaction and it really did help them out a lot. We've also started an effort to involve residents and local leaders in developing testimonial videos on WinCrest. So far we've had 12 people volunteered to participate in the social media effort. This is another one of Karen's ideas. She said, we know that the folks who live in WinCrest and even a lot of folks who work in WinCrest, they don't live in WinCrest, are very passionate about the city and understand a lot of unique aspects of it. So she said, wouldn't it be great if we could get those folks to agree to sit down and do a little video about what I love about WinCrest. And so we could post those. So she's going through and building those videos. Of course, that was the first one to volunteer. And she said, yeah, Jennifer, you'd like to talk a lot. We'll do you later. But eventually, hopefully we'll get all of the EDC board members and anyone else who wants to talk about what they love about Wincrust and you know those are videos that we can continue to post on social media over the years because you know they'll always be just really good content and nobody can speak to the greatness of Wincrust like the folks who live in work here. So that was another one of her ideas that is, I think, going to be really great. And then, of course, you know, we're trying to identify what Mario's leading on, what Karen is leading on, but what we don't want to leave out of that equation is the fact that everyone on the board, city council members, city staff, we have a lot of collaboration beyond just Mario and Karen. So we're trying to identify who's leading on different things, but at the end of the day, it's really been a team effort and everyone's been really supportive. Again, just can't thank you guys enough. I forgot to ask, didn't Berger Boy announce that they're coming in on I-35? Next year. It's the working, yes. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's not finally up. They're looking at a location, but it hasn't been finalized yet, which is why we haven't announced it yet. The day and I will say that on their website. They actually have several locations around San Antonio where they're looking to expand. So if I remember correctly, the story and the business journal was, Berger Boy is looking at a lot of expansions and one could be WinCrest, but as far as finalized, I don't think it's, yeah, it's in. Actually, I thought, I'll have to look up. For some reason, I thought they said, where are they differently? They may have in the story, but- No, I'm just saying it was their story, and I thought they said Wincraft, but, you know. It just has been finalized yet. We don't have- As we know, that's just a story. The answer is, hey, thank you. We haven't signed anything officially. Correct, correct. And that's when we bring it to you is when things are finalized. Right, I get so. And we did have the noodles and dumplings opening in August, correct? Was that August or the end of July? Actually, it was August. Oh, OK. Yes. Yeah. So we did have the noodles and dumplings opening. And that was great, very well attended event. They're still attending it every time I dry by. I know. Yes, they are. They're doing it. Might be empty at some point. I don't know They're doing great business. I've been there three times just a grab All right, well you alone might be able to keep them in business. I'm working on it practicing maybe Yes, that was in August for some reason. I thought that was at the end of July Well, there's obvious opening. It's what they can cut the ribbon in August. All right Obviously, yeah, there we go. August third yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, actually an El Paso Texas on the West Side on Mesa Street. So a first one outside of El Paso maybe. So what are you that El Paso is not really Texas but you know I would know some do. My wife has family there so. Well I'm a lovely wife there and I live there for four years so it has a special place for me. Anything else? Yeah, just one thing. Karen, you were about five minutes late, but she mentioned your name at least 10 minutes, 10 times about how great you were. So you missed that. She knows, I tell her every day. Yeah, what's the tape? Okay. So on video, it's official. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Did these check for charity? In a second. Uh. Uh. Yeah. So I'm just going to stand. Uh. Y'all have my report. So I'm just going to stand. Uh. I'm just going to stand. I'm just going to stand. I'm just going to stand. Y'all have my report. We had a total of 47 permanent inspections, 18 health and 31 plan reviews for a total expense in the month of August of $6,905. Tele payments made to the 68 permits that were issued was $27,888.25. Real quick. On the public information request, it says 72, but I feel like it said 72, 3 months now. I have double checked and rechecked and that is correct. It's just ironic. All right. Interesting. Yeah, threw me off too, right? So I was like, that's the same number. August to the, that's just the report $9,727.72 to the US Post Office helping the system and the customers of a 1086. Do you have any questions? We school up to monthly sales for a post office Yeah, the debit card certain us huh? So the lack of debit card A lack of debit card seems to be a little painful right? And then we we were closed for a week 3 days 3 days officially closed due to illness. Don't miss okay. How are we doing with the machine from what? I don't manage that. I mean do they do it? Do we keep any records about how many people use it? They haven't shared anything with us yet. I think that'd be a good thing to know is how many folks actually come in and use the ATM machine. Yeah, I agree. But they haven't shared it. No, it's all free, but they haven't shared any information with us yet. Is there free to lie? Free to lie. They haven't shared. Is there an expectation that they will share? No. Well, then we should ask them. Yeah, but we. OK. I'm just saying we should. We will ask them, but we should be proactive on that. Yes. But again, I don't want to sound negative. But part of that, too, though, is I don't want to say it. So what I mean, the answer is, it's not a metric that we would say, okay, take it away, but it would be interesting to know what. We will ask them how much they will share with us. Okay. All right. Because I guess at some point, they're making money on it. At some point, if they're not, they'll probably say, you're not going to get our machine. That's cool. All right. I can't tell you. I have been a challenged communicating with her. Oh, no, sorry. I'm talking about the post office, sorry. Just curious, when at some point I assume someone has to come put money in that machine, is that, is that, is that, how does that work? I haven't seen them yet. I'm not sure if that's the question. Is that is that is it. How does that work? I haven't seen them yet. From experience. Yes. Once they reach a minimum about a minimum dollar amount. Usually they come in and refill it. And that's all them. They do all that. But I haven't seen them yet. Yeah. Yeah. And they could come after hours. How can they come after hours? They can come through reading. Bring Borbell. Which may be safer. OK. Hi. They just bring to Norbelle and say they're from. I'm sure they'll see the brinks car or something. They can go drive them with a chain. And I don't know. OK. And then you all have an officially met Rafael Diaz. He's the new assistant city secretary. He's sitting right here. He comes from Hill Country Village. I did a multiple of things there as well. So I'm excited to have him on board. Hopefully we'll get back in the swing of things. Welcome. Welcome. I'm still trying to catch up from my family stuff. Next is the Civic Center. I haven't had the opportunity to run the reports for that. I will tell you that there is... It is book through 20. It's completely book through the end of the year and we already have a few bookings for 2025. I actually have quite a few and one for 2026. When you say completely book, you mean weekends, right? I mean it came in. There's no availability for anyone to reserve it on the weekends, only on weekdays. And weekends include Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Okay. And we're that the issue we had with nonprofits all that's working out fine. Yes. I haven't had an issue. Nothing's been addressed to me and we have gotten back to them with regard to the fees. Sorry. I will tell you that there is three of us that are managing operations as far as reservations as concern for the civic center, the individual that we have on staff has been out on medical leave unexpectedly. So myself as well as Philip Duenhas and public works as a student with that. That's it. and public works as a student with that. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. All right, that's the last report. It is 5.46. We will be in recess until 6 o'clock. We'll start right in the evening. All right. I just want to ask you about it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. All right. It's a 6-0-2. We are back into session for the city council meeting. We will go to a proclamation before we do citizens be heard. So we're sort of, I don't want to say post-ating. We did this proclamation. We did we posted it, but because it's already happened, I do want to read this. You said there's not anybody else. Okay, so a proclamation for designation of smart week, August 26th through August 30th, 2024. The spot mason and Claire's August 26th to the 30th Smart Week in the city of Wincrest, Texas. Whereas guns are the number one killer of children and teens in the United States and whereas the city Wincrest is committed to creating a safe environment, triviting to the safety and well-being of our children and whereas almost every single day a child gets their hands on a gun and unintentionally kills or injures themselves or someone else in the United States, and whereas research shows that one of the best ways to protect children and teens from accessing guns is to implement secure firearm storage practices, and whereas research shows that the most effective way to prevent children from accessing firearms is making sure all guns are stored, unloaded, locked and separate from ammunition and whereas there are steps that can take that all take that we can all take gun owners and non-gun owners alike to make sure kids can't access guns and put themselves in others in danger. And whereas estimated 50% of gun owners don't lock all of their guns securely, and estimated 4.6 million children live in a home with at least one unlocked or loaded and unloaded gun in the United States. And whereas guns are not properly stored, tragedy can strike whether it's a child finding a firearm or an injuring or killing themselves or someone else or someone stealing it and using it to commit a crime in our communities and whereas protecting public safety in the communities they serve as mayor's highest responsibility. Whereas schools, hospitals, and state agencies, and community organizations are committed to their critical role in reducing injuries and deaths by promoting secure gun storage and safety. And whereas smart week raises awareness and promotes efforts to educate the public about secure gun storage and city of Winchester commands to be smart, a program developed by everyone for gun safety support fund. And all involved in their endeavor to keep community safe. Now therefore I, Dan Reese, mayor of the City of Winchester declared the week of August 26th, 2030, and 2024 to be recognized as smart week in the city of Winchester. Texas this 19th day of September 2000, I'm sorry, August, oh, I think that's actually today. September 2024, Dan Reese Mayor of the city of Winchester. And I wanna thank City Strassecky, Council Member Strassecky for bringing this to us and making this happen. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I believe the police department has locks, cable locks. Also the Sheriff's Department, their County Sheriff's Department, hands out free locks as well, if anybody's interested. And just the other thing, the majority of the parts and acronyms and R is to recognize if anybody's interested. And just the other thing, the majority of the majority of gun deaths are suicides. And so any kind of delay to get to a gun for somebody who's suicidal could have a better outcome than the others. If you don't know, the number changed for the suicide and crisis line in the country two years ago, it's 988. You don't have to do the long 800. And they have at least 240 different languages that it'll translate to if somebody calls that number, as well as a separate veterans access for resources locally. Thank you. All right, citizens have been heard. Do I need to Check in oh For the record for the record Thank you As has joined us. Thank you. All right citizens to be heard Citizens have may address city council on topics not on the agenda for not more than three minutes. Citizens shall have the opportunity to address City Council during consideration of post of agenda items for not more than six minutes. A City official may make a statement of specific factual information in response to an inquiry made by a member of the public or recitation of existing policy in response to an inquiry made by a go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. I'm going to go to the public. What an experience it was for our first hearing of the ethics commission. I would have thought the city would have provided an opportunity for this commission to have a mock trial or meeting so they could understand their part of the whole process. Instead we watched if they struggle trying to be sure everything was done correctly. Jill did an awesome job. As one of the complainants in this first hearing, it was extremely frustrating with the little information I received as how this hearing would move forward. No information from the city secretary or city attorney about what to expect. I fortunately was able to locate the ethics committee's procedures, so I then understood that I would be placed under oath and would be able to make a statement. I also asked for the videos to be played, even though I had provided the committee with the transcript of the comments. I thought that would be helpful to the committee to understand the context of what context of what was said. I appreciated the time taken to delivery, but I have no idea what the outcome was. The way the motions were stated, and they were using the number of the complaint on paperwork, only the commission had, it is totally unclear as to their decision, except they did find some items that needed a letter of admonition, which was 1, 3, 10, and 14, and a letter of revermman for number 2, whatever it was on the floor. I'm not sure why each charge was not read publicly and why I, as the complaint did not receive some information from the commission or the city as to what the decisions of the ethics commission was. This was a public hearing with announcement of vote taken in public, but when asked for clarification for the motion, I was told by the city secretary I needed to do an open records request to receive that. What part of a public hearing indicates confidentiality? Part of this process was to assure the public that standards will be met by the people who are serving the city. If no one knows or understands the outcome, how will we know that an action was taken to make sure that there are consequences to not following the ethics code? What happens with those letters of reprimand and admonition? And where can the public find them? Since this commission works at the will of the council, will the council at a public meeting then read the commission's motions and the letters associated with them? If they are not available to the public, I'm not sure how this process serves the public at all. And I guess this ethics committee is going to be busy. I have heard a number of complaints have now been filed against at least one of the people who filed this first complaint and also some others. And days gone by they would call this tip for tapping. Thank you. Thank you. Rebecca, you want to speak now or do you? Are you speaking as to the appointment to the position? For the W. Okay, and I'm on you can speak now, but I will tell you that when we get to that, we will ask anyone who's there to see what's that. I'll speak then. Okay. Paul, I've speak then. Okay. All right. Paul, I've got more to see. Paul Morris. Morris, okay. Are you going to speak now? That's not about us. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Also, thank you to Council Members Trezecki and Mayor Rees for the smart week. Proclamation, it's a very important topic. And I'm really excited that you all brought it up here. Made that proclamation. My name's Paul Morris, I'm the founder and superintendent of Comunist Rose Public Schools. We currently serve about 4,000 students across the state of Texas and San Antonio in Austin and 500 of whom are around the corner at our journey campus on Crestwood. I'm here to speak on the topic of the Tefer Hearing. My understanding is the topic today is to discuss whether or not to hold the Tefer Hearing in the future. And I wanted to come to explain to you how critically important this issue is for our students at the campus Rose Journey campus. Campus Rose Journey is currently in our fourth year of operation over here at Crestwood. We started with about 300 students, grades K through 6. We currently serve over 500 students there, grades pre K through 8. We'll continue to grow over the years in that space. Of the students at Compass Rose journey, 90% identifies African-American or Hispanic Latino. 80% are economically disadvantaged by the way that the state counts that metric. So we have a group of students there who are at risk, who need as much as schools can provide them. What we are contemplating with this Tefer Hearing is a tax exempt bond sale that will allow us to refinance the facility that exists there right now so that we can recoup some of the money that currently goes to debt service at the campus and use that for what we call learner-centered expenses, learner-driven expenses. So that building was built and developed by a developer. The developer then leases us to the building. We have a partner who actually also is already in the project who is ready to sell tax exempt bonds and allow us to purchase the facility through that tax exempt bond sale. Ultimately, what this would do is save the campus, starting in year one, starting right now, about 200 to $300 thousand dollars a year in debt service which then would be pushed to what we call the learner-centered expenses. That's more teachers, more curriculum, more stuff for the kids to use in the campus. My job as the the founder and superintendent is to make sure we are maximizing our learner-centered expenses and while the developer deals are a good bridge for us as charter schools, we can't go out and put bond issues on the ballot. We use whatever means we can to build great buildings for our kids. They are just a bridge, and ultimately, the goal is for us to get to long-term, low interest financing. And this opportunity allows us to get there in a time from the really benefits our kids who are in the building now. The temporary hearings an opportunity is part of, it's the IRS's way of allowing public comment on the use of tax exempt bonds. And we encourage you to consider putting the temporary hearing on the agenda in the future. Perhaps as early as the next council meeting, so that we can move forward with this opportunity, because it really is exactly what we're looking to do there, so that we can maximize the revenues, the resources we have for our kids. We are really excited, and I mean, just so pleased to be part of the Wincrus community here. We have been welcome with open arms. You know, it's always a challenge to have a big new school, or even a small new school open in a city. And you all have been incredibly accommodating. And so I want to thank you for that and again, encourage you to consider putting this on the next agenda because it is so critical for our students who are there. Now. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mrs. Hagen. Thank you. I have one. I may or not. You know I only come here when the city gives me problems, right? Yeah. Again. September 9th. She called me by one of the attention, sir. Office is about to disassume my property and arrest me because one, first, I didn't provide an ID. And then it writes on a citation list because I didn't have a permit. And I asked him, why do I need a permit if my neighbor did not need a permit to put a fan's phone? Why do I need one? To which he claimed, the rules are different for everybody. Well, the last check again is the second time that this city does discrimination against me. That's one video. You can check it. So I already requested. I know what Ryan Henry is going to put it, the excuse. But the office is not the only one that's got video on that. Instead of that twice, the rules in the city were different for everyone. So very well, well, not providing an ID. There is no Texas law that requires you to have an ID unless you are voting. And you do have to provide when you're committing a crime, which I did not on my property. Another thing I would like to request, Shift Co. It's for officer, I'm not even sure if it's an officer, I know he cares the police shirt, but Mr. Fox, who quit coming, fading, people's property, or telling my people to stop working here, I mean, this guy's got an asiatic attitude. He just goes to send in, he doesn't ask permission, just walks in, like if it's in condescending. This doesn't as permission. Just walk scene like it is in its own home. Well, my property is protected by FAAFO, and it will be used. I'm getting tired of this man. He can talk to me from the city property unless he's invited in. It doesn't, I mean, a little bit of respect and goes a long way. As far as the, it reads something here. As far as the ordinances, this is Supreme Court case law. Rodriguez versus Ray Donovan. Department of Labor, 769, F. 2nd, 1344, 1348, 1985, United States Supreme Court decisions. All codes, 48, 1985, you'll University Supreme Court decisions, all codes, rules, regulations, that for government authorities only. Not human creators in the court in the Stuglads Law, all codes, rules, regulations, that are unconstitutional and lie, let do process. I don't need a permit at all. And I take a lot of them by now, and the threat that I couldn't build on my private property. I'm not on serious property. I'm not harming nobody. Why are we going to go against this or this charade of permits just to extort money from the people? That's what's going on. But the neighbor they needed, because she's the one that is calling in. She did not call this time. I know that for a fact. So you tell me, up come some people in Wincraft. Some men and women do need another stone nap, too. It's common sense. So it reminds you, I would like you to take care of this permit situation. And she would call out, I would like you to take out this permit situation. And she would call I would like you to get your officer straight. But the same way we say the bad, we should say the good. Could as to Sergeant Underwood. She was very professional and the escalated the situation. On the contrary, I mean, officers and pat the woodspin, as much time breathing a little bit of lawyers, they spend putting gel on that hair, you would not make a fool out of himself. And the way, oh, and it mentioned, oh, this is, this is the good thing about being a cop. We get to do these things. It's time. Well, next time put the time over there so we can check on that. It's just discussing. But is representing the city is giving you all a bad image. Thank you, my appreciate. Thank you. Rainbow Presti. I'd like to wait. There's two of the items. OK. You may have the reminder you get there's two of them. Okay, you may have the reminder you get, you get there's two of them. Thank you. Okay. Since we have several people to, to regarding the appointments to council, to, to, to a point for EDC and for the zoning and commission and the issues that I'd like to move to the resolutions. So we're gonna move to item number, looks like 11 B. City Council or VU Discuss and May act on resolution 2024-552 resolution appointing numbers of the WinCress Economic Development Corporation for a term ending September 30th, 2026. I believe we have seven. That is correct. So, and there's. There's four. What's that? There's four coming up for exploration Okay, and so I'm looking at the list that we have here. I'm assuming this is by oh we have them. Oh, okay So I'll use the So we did one withdrawal for the record Julie, Mazzamura did withdrawal. Okay. So we have in front of it. So I'm just going to use it. So the paper we have in front of us, I'm going to just call the name. So M camp, the person here, you speak. Okay. Thank you. By the way, the only order I'm using is a there's not alphabetical. I know that because you would have been first. So with an A and a last. Mr. Mayor, City Council members, my name is Rebecca Oktober. Thank you for the opportunity to apply for a position on the WEDC Board of Adjustment or the Ethics Committee. I believe I would be a good fit for any of these committees, although I am primarily interested in serving on the WEDC. I moved to Wincrest as a permanent resident a year and a half ago. However, I've long considered Wincrest to be my home base as my parents, Don and Carol Hobo lived here and were active members of the community for 40 years. Although my father recently passed away, my mother remains as active and as involved as possible. In my new life as an officially retired person and full-time Lincrest resident, I am interested in serving the community as best I can. I hope to help Lincrest thrive for years to come. A financially secure community is desired by all who live in it. We all hope to enjoy a community that is well positioned to provide access to an appealing job market as well as desirable shopping, dining, and services. I am hoping that the experience I had contributing to building a successful business will be useful to the community. My partners and I grew a small and floundering company into a thriving enterprise. We administered substance abuse prevention programs for businesses. The majority of our clients were regulated by the U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Drug and Alcohol Testing requirements. My expertise was in compliance auditing and assurance. I had to be very familiar with the regulatory requirements and I provided guidance and coordination to our clients to assist them with their compliance requirements. I oversaw the entirety of program administration. On a quarterly basis, I compiled reviewed and submitted client testing data to DOT regulatory agencies, as well as to third-party auditing agencies, ensuring that all data was on track to reflected hearings to the regulations required in eye for detail and understanding of more vulnerable facets of a program and understanding the story being told as each quarter was completed. In my view we occupied a very interesting position to serve as a bridge between government interests and private business interests. The bottom line is that we functioned to help our clients succeed in prosper while navigating complex regulatory requirements that were unrelated to their scope of business. We prided ourselves on integrity, expertise, and our true desire to provide the highest quality service we could. I will apply the same values and skills in my involvement with the WEDC or other committees as appointed. Thank you again for your time and this opportunity. Thank you. Okay. Compolo. Okay, Camp Hollow. Living in Compton. Good afternoon. Hello, Councilor Simeon, I'm Kevin Compton. I am the manager of Walmart. I have been working for Walmart for 34 years. I do want to sign up again for EDC. I was on it during the years COVID for four or five years. I feel like it was pretty stressful times. We did a really good job with what we had to work with. But I feel like we can do a lot more now that we have a home replaced to be. And I feel like I have more time and stuff to work. So I would like to get back on the EDC so we can grow it and see what we can do. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. I just wanted to speak briefly about tonight's EDC board member appointments. I was appointed to the board two years ago and I'm currently serving as the board's vice president. My term expires in a few days and I've reapplied for your consideration tonight. EDC's role in our community has always been significant but the opportunities on the horizon following the sale of the RAC space property to ICP are of paramount importance to the future of our city, excuse me. The board is in a position to affect positive change for us all, and I would very much like to continue to be a part of that. I also wanted to say that I was really excited to see how many people applied for the boards and commissions on Tine's agenda. It's a beautiful thing to see residents stepping up to volunteer their time, so thank you, everyone who applied. Thank you. Good to be on leave. I'm getting up here. This is nervous. Tanya was introduced to me into this to apply the position of W and C. And my name is Vivian Lee and I've been married for about 21 years now. And we have three boys recently moved here to Congress for about five years now. And I grew up here in the state with two MacArthur High School and graduated at InconnoWorth University as business management of international business. I did not know what to say much. Sorry. This is very new to me. And I would love to serve the city since I'm a substitute at Northeast, any ISD? That's pretty much it. I didn't know that I had to prepare for a whole speech. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. This is Tanya. I don't know if you're on your Tanya. She just told me this morning that we have a meeting tonight. And that's good. OK. And she just built me out. She was here tonight. So I did not know that I had to write the whole speech. Or what are you doing? We appreciate you coming up just to be here. So that's all about me. And thank you very much, Mayor just to be here. Okay. So that's all about me and thank you very much Mayor and everyone here. Thank you. Thank you. All right. All right. Council, I guess at this point what we'll do is you will vote for for those of this, what happens is the council has a We'll vote for their first, second, third, fourth, they go all the way down to seven. Actually, since we don't have seven, they'll have the sixth choice. And the way this will happen is each person will get points based on their position. First choice will get six points, second will be five, third will get four, fourth will get three, fifth will get two, sixth will get one. And so what will happen is the council is now voting on that. They will give the tallyan to the city secretary. The city secretary will take those votes and the top four vote getters will be the people who will be appointed to the EDC. I think in this case they're all the same dates, right? There's not a different date. They're all the same dates, right? There's not a different date. They're all the same term. Their term expires September 30th of this year, so it will renew for September 30th, 2026. But all four will have the same term, right? Correct. Okay, all right. So Council, when you're ready, go ahead and we'll pass those to... I'm going to put it on the table. So I Okay. I'm going to start with the I'm going to put it on the table. Okay. I'm going to do all the hooks going around. I think she brought them in. I think you've had it before. She got back in one mile. Oh yeah. Can you hear it out there too though, but... Can you have a count? Not yet. There's not one, two, three, four. I'm going to put it on the table. Okay. We have. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Are. Rebecca Arctobergur, Kevin Compton, Vivian Lee, and Rainbow Presti. We still need a motion for the slate of them. So we need a resolution 2024 552 to be considered. I'm moving to consider resolution. That on my screen. 2024-552 are. So 552 2024-552, appointing The name says red, right? Yes, that word. All right. Is there a second? Second. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor raise your right hand. All right. Now it's done. How you can clap. Thank you. All right. All right. So thank you. Thank everyone for who put their name in it. And as was pointed out, we, it's very encouraging to have that many people apply for our positions on our boards. Rachel you gave us another piece of paper for ethics are we considering I know we have positions on. We do you can pull it now to determine that or you can wait until we have one place a seated dius place which is why we gave you a ballot because one would be considered for the seat and one would be considered as an alternate. Is there is there any conflict about being on EDC as well as ethics? Yeah, so it's only ethics, right? Yeah, you can only sit on ethics as ethics. Okay, so at this point then we have an essence, one person to consider on ethics. That was received by the application deadline, yes. Did they indicate whether they would be willing to drop off the other board that they're sitting on to fit sit on ethics or I would say based off the information provided to council. A little ago. I believe the appointed position would be the one they'd want to stay on. Please. Say that again. So we have two people that have applied for ethics. One of you just appointed to W. E.G. So they're not eligible. So you have one person. Yeah. Any other one though does sit as an alternate on a board right now? No. Yes. Or do they resign? They're on the animal services advisory committee so There is We did not see that you had previously appointed that individual She sat in on at least two meetings So the ACS yes, but she also applied for ethics. Yes, but did we confirm that she knew that she would have to drop off? She doesn't need to drop off. This is only for WEDC and ethics. Oh, for the ACS one, committee. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't have to drop off. Yeah, she doesn't have to drop off. Yeah, she doesn't have to drop off. Okay, so I think the best thing is to take no action and ask for she wants All right, okay, that was that was always asking We know few weeks we didn't get a ballot for planning and zoning but there's two positions and at least oh There is one person that is correct. That's my mistake So planning and zoning is Is Marshall can and Vivian Lee The planning and zoning is. Is. Marshal camp. And Vivian Lee. And there are two open places in planning and zoning because one is a whole lower. Okay. And so I guess the same question Viv vividly that there's not a conflict there not with the WEDC. No WEC and planning and zoning. Okay, now I guess the question might be for Vivian. She wants to, so she is here, so she want to serve on, or would she prefer to serve on one? And we can ask that question. Yeah, absolutely. Do you have a preference to just serve on one, or would you want to, now that you've been appointed to the EDC, do you still want to be that you've been you've been appointed to the EDC? Do you still want to be considered for another position on and another board? Or would you prefer just to be on EDC and and and remove your name for consideration for the other board? No, not you. I don't Did you do that too? I'm sorry. I was talking to Vivian. Maybe they didn't. I'm sorry. Did you do it behind me? I'll go back to the same one. I'm sorry. So, yeah, I don't mind this my first time doing having lunch with you. Just serve on on both. Okay, all right. I don't think that applies to you, Becky. I don't think because I don't think that applies to you, Maggie. I don't think, because I don't know what it... She was on ethics too. She's on ethics, so it just qualifies her for anything else. Yeah. Say that again. She's on... She's on... You see? She's on the C. Sorry, I can't go to ethics. Correct. She's also putting for BOA though, correct? Is that what it says on her? Yes, she can she can do double up with everything except ethics. No, she was appointed to ethics. No, not I see to WDC. I'm sorry, but if you'll point her to the ethics Then she would have to withdraw from WEDC. No, I understand. I want to say is she can do WEDC and Board of Adjustments. No. Oh, yes. Yes. I'm sorry. Can't you planning a zoning board of adjusting? Yeah. That's right. Yeah. This is a company. So you have sorry. Like a judge with a bad question. Does she want to sit on two? Same question. I think that's what we're going to do. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. have two for a second real quick so what do we have on planning zoning lights for in place six and and so we and what do we have for we had Lee and camp correct and they're both I think so so are they both planning? Yeah, but I'm trying to think it would make a difference if you're as far as the appointments are they are they all planning and zoning also there's just one spot. So both of them would expire in 20 that place for would expire in 2026. Okay. Place six would expire. Says 2024. That's when it expired because it's in holdover. Let me check something really quick. Do you want to bring that up? One second, I'm making it difficult. the You know what? It does it. Planning and zoning and ethics are what the, for revolution, 5.3. So we can do planning and zoning just not. We're talking about planning and zoning right now. So let's continue talking about planning and zoning. We have two positions on planning and zoning, place four and place five. We have two people who apply. Are those two positions, do they have the same? Yes, they do same terms this is like what what happens at home so they have the same term they have the same term right now I know it's the same thing happens at home you know what the question was but I didn't ask it all right so so so it as what happens at home is you're right also. So, the council censors two positions and both of those positions are an essence equal other than there's a different number. The council could consider camp in Lee or those two positions. Correct. in Lee For those two positions correct So I move read off resolution 2024 dash 553 resolution appointing in Lee to place four on planning and zoning and marshal Cune Yeah, in place six on planning and zone second. Okay We'll second it 20 24 553 has no any any discussion and place six on planning and zoning. Second. Okay. Moving seconded, 2020, 4553 has noted any discussion. Those favor ratio right hand. That's done. Okay. That's all the action that the council is going to take on appointments to see. And I provided you the full memo with the help of Rafael. We identified all of the vacancies so that you all would see how many vacancies there are on the boards and commissions at this time. So we're doing nothing on board of adjustments. Correct. That's not on the agenda. All right. We're going to go back to the agenda regarding. Let's see. We had to the reading class. Oh, thank you. I think that I think there's probably some sort of record. I don't know in my time on this council and I don't know that there's ever been anybody appointed to two positions on rent at the same time at the same meeting on one night at the same meeting at the same time is where I was going. So I understand their people. I understand that's the sentence we hear there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. I understand there are people. discussion acceptance of the unaudited monthly financial report to the month ending August 30th, 2024. Good evening, Mayor and Council. You were provided August 20th, 2021, audit the finance report. We'd like to point out that sales tax for August came about 30 percent lower than last year's sales tax. And then we're almost at the end of the budget one more month left. If you do not have any questions about the August 24 report I would recommend to accept unadded finance report for August 20. Do we think that drop in sales taxes because Rex base left? Yes. The majority percent of it is yes. the majority of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the February of 25 have the first time that in there. So I move we accept the monthly finance report for August the unaudited monthly finance report for August 2024. So second, then we accept the un audited financial report for August 2024 discussion. All those in favor raise your right hand. Thank you, council. Consent agenda. There are one, two, three items on the consent agenda. Does anyone wish to speak? Anything off the commission? The May comments, sorry. Oh, sure. Just to make everybody aware in the public who's listening to the meeting, September report will not be provided until end of December meeting or January meeting, because we will be closing the year during a cruise. All right, thank you. Consent agenda, three items. Is anyone who would just take anything off the consent agenda? I would like to pull B. Which one? D? B. The Desemois. Okay, which is the City Council review discussed and may act on resolution approving the transfer of 175,000 from the garbage fund. Okay anything else was to speak. All right, so I'll accept the motion for consent agenda with the exception of item B. I motion we accept the consent agenda minus item B. Okay, move a second second we accept the consent agenda with the exception of item B. All those in favour raise your hand. All right item B, City Councilor Review, discuss a Mac on resolution 2024. Sorry this thing keeps going down. 2024-550 resolution. I'm sorry, it went back. A 549 resolution, approved and transferred 135,000 from garbage fund to general fund to offset sales tax revenue loss. The fiscal year year 2324. So, someone want to speak to that? Sure. As we mentioned, Mayor and Council members, we did a transfer and the budget amendment for the previous budget amendment on the ordinance for I think it was 300,000 and now that the sales tax ads are coming in again we're transferring our last portion from the garbage fund which is 175. This should help us close out the year with the projected fund balances. We've had some unforeseen expenses in what I'm going to call the Animal Control Department and also some additional expenses in the legal department. So why pull it from the garbage fund instead of from, as we're up higher than we need to be for the, the 25% that we set up side, we have a higher number. For Mars side, for Mars side is that the garbage fund, it is your enterprise fund and they're designed to help the general fund when needed. It'll still has a small little fund balance there. And then if need be, then we would go into the reserves. It's just a matter of, do we need to go into the reserves of not necessarily yet, because we still have some fund balances in the enterprise fund to transfer there. Now, the next step is just continues. And we would come back and say, we have to go into the fund balance. And we're trying to avoid that step. So will that leave enough in the garbage fund to pay the republic? Yes, Madam. So we have that much extra. Yes, ma'am. It came in just from the CPI. I know the contracts. It goes in by CPI. We're fine. We're healthy there. Yes, ma'am. Yeah, that's all I just wanted us to have a just a quick question as to why we're pulling from there and not the budgets. That is the, I mean, it's up to council. But, you know, we recommend that you take it from the garbage fund and if we would have to come back then we would go to the fund balances. We're not like I mentioned it to Councilman Asperger. We're not at that level yet. We still have reserves in the garbage fund. And this is, of course, this will be the last part of the reserves. If you did not do that, the garbage fund would just have that much more funds in it for the next year. That's correct. We're just common practices. We do not want to go until the community that we're dipping into our reserves. Whether it's restricted or non-restricted. You're not there yet or we're not there yet. Hopefully not. What percent is the restricted reserves? Remember, you have the 25% in a belief. We're 25% by the charter and I think we have another 20% if I fall part number. But we just committed on the unrestricted reserves. We just committed ourselves for 535,000 for the pool project. And that was also another reason. Again, from a management point of view, I don't want to go in there and allocate another 175 there because we still officially haven't received notices from the county. We've been reaching out to them. We've I'm not going to was able to locate it either. So again, this is just an accounting practice that we don't want to go in there since we already allocated or restricted which you'll see in your budget report that we showed you. That was 535 already. I call it out of K did she's gonna call it restricted For the when we start funding the I guess I'm gonna call the paper of the pool project Basically it's gonna cost 175,000 from wherever it comes from Yes, the reason you want to do what you do is it's gonna cost less harm to the general fund. Yes. Take it out of the garbage. Yes sir. That's all. So I'm moving to adopt resolution 2024 549R resolution approving the transfer of $175,000 from the garbage fund which is an enterprise fund to the general fund to offset sales tax revenue loss for fiscal year 2023-2024. Second. Second. We approve 2024-549R as a red discussion. All those in favour, raise your hand. Mayor and council members, thank you all very much. All right. We are going to move into a public hearing. City Council will hold a public hearing for receive comments on the proposed budget for this year 2020 for the fiscal year 2024 2025. This budget I show seven o'clock and so I will actually I show six fifty nine so I will open the public hearing on the city council budget. It's now open. Are there anyone signed up to speak on the public hearing? No sir. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak to the public hearing on the budget? Hearing none, I will close the public hearing at 7 o'clock on the proposed budget for this we are 2024, 2025 at 7 o'clock. I will now at seven o'clock. I will now at seven o'clock open a public hearing. City Council will hold a public hearing to receive comments on the proposed 2024 tax year rate of 0.39.17 per $100 valuation for physical year 2024 budget. That public hearing has opened at 7 o'clock. Is there anyone signed up for the purpose of speaking to the public hearing on a tax rate? Yes. Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak to the on a public hearing as it relates to the tax rate. Hearing none, the public hearing on the tax rate is closed at 7-0-1. All right. We're going to now move to the ordinances. City Council review discuss and may act on ordinance 2024, 016, an ordinance approving and adopting a budget for operating the municipal government. The city went for physical year beginning October 2024 and ending September 30th, 2024. We have our special language for that. for an ending September 30th, 2024. We have our special language for that. Yeah, we sent a, I know, with a hold on, Mayor. Let me, I got it here in the back top. R-C-J, you have it, but I'm gonna give it to you here. Just give me a second. I mean, I can, I can make the motion and verbally, that's what you want. Well, I see, I,. I just see if it's... We have an email mayor. Let me just get it for you. I mean I have a whereas thing with me is that one. No sir. We're reading the correct one. Do I have to read the whole whereas? No. That's not what you have to read. There we go. All right. There we go. All right. There you go. The ordinance number mayor was changed from what's in the memo. So it needs to reflect the one that Rachel has up like number wise, but the rest of the motion is correct. Let me show you the paper we just gave them. Okay, so where we're at then is the Council will have a roll call vote for the adoption of the budget to motion to adopt this spelled out in the statute. And so the Council has this and the motion, as the Council have it, because I can't make the motion. Does the council have it? Does I can't make the motion? I move the city council. Does someone have that in front of that? It's that memo? You're correct, mate. I'm starting with the city council. The city one crest adopted ordinance. I move that the city one crest adopt the ordinance. I move that the city of Wincrest adopt ordinance 2024 dash 0 1 0 1 6 0. Proving and adopting a budget that will raise more revenue from property taxes than last year's budget by the amount of. 179,000 416 dollars and 82 cents, which is a 4.65% increase from last year's budget and the property tax revenue to be raised From the new property added to the tax roll is $41,499.71 The proposed revenue increase will support maintenance operations and interest and sinking funds for the city when crest. Is that a motion he just proposed? He did. He said that. Don't make me reenegade. Is there any discussion? I'd like to add a friendly amendment that all of the employee whether it's the city or WADC have the same percent increase going forward. I don't think that's the same budget at a moment. I don't think you can do that with this. This is so we're approved. This is in the budget. You'd have to amend the budget. You'd have to amend the budget. You'd be mending the budget. So then I'm friendly proposal to amend the budget. You told me last meeting. So if we did that, we'd have to amend the budget, get the updated numbers. Right. Because your budget is an itemized listing, yeah, with dollars and percent. Right, and so that's what you're approving as the budget. And so if you're going to amend individual dollar line items, you'd have to know which line item you're changing and what you're changing it to. Even if the total dollar amount for the budget doesn't change, if you're changing the line items, see this is a proof of that full motion. If you're going to change the line items from what was like filed and then what you had the public hearings on. You would have done that when you did the like the public hearings and the comments for what things should change in the line items right now. Can the Council approve the budget and then amend the budget? Yes. You can amend the budget after it's fascinating It may be harder to do what you want to do now But it yes, but you could approve the budget and then come back and make an amendment to the budget Yes, you can move the line items how you want them with an amendment at the next meeting All right, but I apologize because that's not what I understood the correction you gave me two weeks ago I could bring it back to this one. So, okay. All right, I got it. Quick question. What's the point of this? What's the benefit of what you want to do now? That it's the percent increase is the same for all employees across both. Right now in the budget, they're not equal. So I'll bring it back with a line item number in the amount. Yeah, I was just wondering what suddenly now what was the? So it's in fairness. Can we have that conversation later? Because all we're doing right now is affirming a budget. She has an idea that we'll come back and then we'll have that conversation. So it's moved in second and is there any. I've been seconded. Yes. Okay. So it's moved and seconded. Is there any seconded? Yes. Okay. It's moved and seconded. And so at this point we have a roll call vote for the purposes of approving the budget. Yes sir. We're ready for the roll call. Is anyone else has a discussion? And we're ready for the roll call vote. Councilman Westman. Aye. Councilwoman Cindy Stresslapi. Yes. Councilman Greg Turner. Councilman Marcus Yax. Yes. Councilman Adam Aswapar. Yes. It passes. Okay. Is there any other fancy words we have to say? No. Just move on to the next one. Okay. All right. So the second would be for the tax rate. And so the council should have the wording that starts out with I move the city adopts the ordinance adopting the tax rate. And on this, there is the wording I have. Typically two motions that need to be made. And there is, but there are some numbers on this to there is the wording I have. Technically two motions that need to be made. And there is, but there is no numbers on this. Does that make a difference? I have a number here. OK. Perfect. All right. I'm going to say adopt ordinance. I move the city. Yeah, we'll adopt ordinance. And that one. All right. I move the city of Wincrest Adop's ordinance 2024-0170 in ordinance adopting a tax rate of 0.393917 per $100 valuation for use and support of the municipal government. Second. Second. As as read any discussion. Okay. We'll now proceed with a roll call vote Counting us, Manny. Yes, Councilwoman Cindy stress likely. Yes Caldum and Greg Turner Councilman Marcus. Yes, yes Councilman Adam S. Cooper. Yes Rachel, please pick this up here That passes Please pick this up here. So the because you have a debt service right a secondary motion is required It splits them out. So you can just read it. All right. I move out of a tax rate of Point or zero point three nine three nine one seven per $100 valuation, be the rate that, if applied to the total taxable value, will impose the total amount of principal and interest that will be paid to pay the city's debts in the next year for property tax revenue, and that out of a tax rate of 0.393917 per $100 value that 0.325937 be the rate that if applied to the total tax of the value, impose the amount of taxes needed to fund maintenance and operation expenditures of the city for the next year. Good job. Second. Second of discussion. Pressure. You'll now see the roll calls. 0.3203. This is incorrect. For the record, the ordinance that is reflected. That 0.38 seven one is incorrect. It should be point three two five nine three seven as red In the that's in the ordinance Okay, yeah, it's incorrect. Yeah, that's wrong. The B is wrong So we hear so so a men yeah the motion is correct the motion is correct I'm just saying that the screen has a wrong number In that case just for a parliamentary aspect I asked that you a manger motion to simply add And adjust the ordinance with the, thank you. MNO, the proper MNO number as read. All right, so I'm going to amend the ordinance to reflect the proper MNO as read as part of your motion. As part of my motion. Yes sir. And so then the second would include that. So whoever seconded it. Yeah, the second. You accept. Yes sir. And so then the second would include that. So whoever seconded it. Okay thank you. You have another roll call vote yet. So yes sir. Oh. Councilman Westmani. Yes yes Councilman great-turner Councilman Marcus yes, yes, Councilman Adam Astelberg yes Ordnutz number 2024 017 0 has passed. Perfect. All right. Okay. One more thing to do, Mayor. Resolution. Resolution. But this one's easy. City Councilor of you discuss and may act on resolution 2024. Is this correct? 5-5-1-R resolution ratifying and the recently adopted fiscal year 2024 budget. Correct. Good on the number? Yes sir. Okay. I move to adopt resolution 2024-551. Our resolution ratifying the recently adopted fiscal year 2024-2025 budget. Second. It's regular vote correct. Yes regular vote. Regular discussion. All those in favor, raise your right hand. That's done. Thank you council. Thank you council. All right. We have completed the DC we have completed the planning and zoning We are to item number or it's like 11 D unless I miss something the city council review discuss a Mac on resolution 2024 554 or resolution approving services contract with Team West 5 LLC for cleaning services at Winchester City Hall. I believe that resolution is zero to four days, five, five four R. I'm approving a favorite contract with Team West five. I will second, move the second that we approve resolution five, 2024, 554 are resolution approving services for Team West five, LLC discussion. Yeah, so I guess to start this came up to us. But in January or well about six months ago, so I guess March. Can you walk us through the timeline of I know we asked for an RP to be put out for this. When we posted where we posted who bid number of bidders. Just to hear anything about it. So I kind of want to make sure that we're above board on everything. Yes. Can you come? Can you just go down the stairs? Yes. Thank you. I gave it to them. Okay. I just don't have it in front of me, but I know we brought it up at the beginning of the year to the council, council direct staff to advertise for RFP for genitalial services. I don't have this row in March of August. We also post a letter of tizement on ESBD to get a better exposure to the RFP. We did receive, I believe, four or five proposals. I don't have the information. And then we did evaluation of course and then the team west came with the better rating and that's what the staff was proposing or bringing to the council for the poll. Is there a reason we didn't get all the other proposals? No, normally. We never in a past provided all the other proposals. When you said that? Whenever in the past provided all the proposals to the council, but... You have to build proposals for the animal contract. The fence we got, I think the list of bids, the street ones we've gotten, the list of bids. So the list we can provide? Yes, I did. I did provide it the bit of relation. I don't know if the call. I did. Yeah, okay. I'm going to look because that's part of why I'm asking these questions because I don't recall seeing it and that's part of why I'm a. We can we can bring it back in the first meeting in October. That'll be fine. Yeah, the notice in here says the publication dates were Saturday September 20th and Saturday September Not September. I'm sorry July 20th and July We will bring to someone's No, we just want to make sure that we know we understand before we get there Yeah, I think we got most but not quite all of everything that we might have miscommunicated ourselves in the problem just to have yeah we can yeah we walk over that be great not a problem so do we need a motion to I guess you want a table this is that correct yeah I like to amend. No, no. So I guess you had a was the past. So, uh, there'd have to be a motion to table or are you taking a action? I'd like to make a motion. We table this until October 1st, being in our proberts 7th. Yeah. So just to be clear, when you say motion table, we already have a motion, but a motion of tables was called the priority over. Yeah. Just to be clear, when you say motion table, we already have a motion. But a motion of tables was called the priority motion. Okay. A motion of tables are second. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Right hand. All right. I can't count the review discussed in May act on resolution 2024 5555. Our resolution ratifying the expenditure of fund for demolition expenses. And actually it's not a ratified because we'll be starting the best is on the 23rd of this month and the demolition on the 24th of this month. It's approximately about an $18,000 expense. And we're just asking for certification on this. It's not a ratification. So you don't need action or you do need action? I would go ahead and vote on it. I mean, we have it in here, but it's not a ratified, because we have not demolished the property. So this is within your purchasing threshold? Yeah, it is. But I mean, we already drafted it because we thought it was gonna be a little higher. But if you all want to, we'll like to vote on it. That's fine with us. I think you can just have a motion. You don't need to adopt the resolution. Let's just you know. A motion to do what? To prove the spending chair funds for the demolition. I know. It's with the job. It is within my threshold though. We're not approving the resolution. I guess what we're saying is you don't need a resolution because it's under his threshold it's under his threshold and it has not happened yet yes yes or no motion could be made and you can still proceed that's correct not unless you all say don't go do it but I mean I that we. I'm just saying now that and I don't want to get into the weeds of this but the council could say don't expend the funds. That's correct. So it's under his purchasing power. If we motion that he can, but then it comes in higher for whatever reason, how would that work? He would have to come back. And then you would be ratifying he would either expend it and ask for a vacation or he would come back asking you to approve a higher number. Okay. So, why they already started work is that going to cause any issues if it comes in higher because of the estimate or are we good? No. I mean, as far as the payment process goes, you're good. You're see- We're seeing really fine. You're seeing really fine. I just make the point that this issue's been going on for a long time. Almost two years I think. And so we followed all the legal requirements. Yes, ma'am. So just out of curiosity, this I was under the impression that the there's already been an approved amount of money to do this job. What were you talking about? It's there's. There's. You have not allocated specific funds for this. This is the amount though is within his. I thought that that would that's what the funds were allocated for. It's to take this place down. No, so he's asking you to approve the funds that let it. Technically he has the authority to do that, but the council can can approve the funds that let it. Technically he has the authority to do that but the council can can approve the funds as well. It's a good direction for the city manager or you could tell him don't you don't approve the funds which it would be stopping the the so you don't have like a contact with these folks. So you're still in discussion but no we're ready to go our goal is to start the demolition process the bestest on the 23rd of this month and start the demolition on the 24th which will be about a three-day process. Correct me if I'm wrong the the issue here is you at some point you believe that you probably were below your threshold you're looking for a council action in case you go over that threshold. That's correct. And you're only asking for council approval in case you go over that threshold. That is correct. So the council is only acting in case you go over your threshold. That's correct. That's the only purpose of this conversation is in case you go over your threshold. That is correct. You already have people in place. They're ready to go. That this number and everything we're not talking about whether people are in place or not. We're talking about whether or not you go over your threshold. That is correct. So. I mean, and I just brought you and I just transferred 175,000, you know, a little while ago. So we want to be transparent there. We're having these expenses about it also. What does that have to do with this? Everything. Everything. So I think I will motion that we adopt resolution number 2024-555R. for the S55R resolution of the City of Wincross Texas City Council ratifying contract funds for the remediation and demolition of 509 Wax Wing. Yes. I'll second. So the motion is to approve Russian 2020 45555 ratifying the expenditure of funds for the demolition expenses for 509 waxwing It's actually waxwing surplus I believe This I think this should ask to see that we are ratifying like excess funds if needed. Well, he has the contract in here. We don't need to. He has the contracts in, we're allowing him to expend funds for the purpose. And I assume the resolution allows him to exceed his budget and authority to make sure that this is done. And just originally thought it was going to go over 25,000. That's why it came to us, but the close came in on here. Can we move? Seconded. Why is there any other discussion? All those in favor, Ranger? Thank you. Thank you. Seconded. Is there any other discussion? All those in favor, Ranger. Thank you. All right. Discuss an act. City Councilor, review the discuss and may act on the scope of services for for the request. We'll call it the case for the for a city comprehensive doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. We're going to be doing that. Let you all That's the one we got. Yes, that's correct. Yes, sir Do we get to move forward? Part of the RFU is just not too perfect because they're going to come back. That's correct. So we're content. Okay. We will relay the message to the EDC to proceed. So any other issues with that item? All right. Thank you. Board of City Councilor Vius Gussa May act on the TIA roughness for portionality, valuation, submittal, or pladium, USA for additional addition of a dedication, eastbound, left turning lane off of Cresway Drive. I think we have that one in the second of session also there. Yeah. Okay. All right. And then we can come back. Okay. City Council reviewed. Discussing may act on request from Compass Rose. Journey Compass located at 100 Cresway. Quest went drive for consideration of holding public hearing regarding proposed bond issuance for by public finance authority in the amount of $26 million for taxes you have financing for a conference rose. And so at this point, what we're saying is we, the council is okay with proceeding with the public here. That's an executive. We've got an executive on. We have executive if you need it. All right. Then let's go to signs. I think Rainbow wanted to speak to signs. If I got that right. Thank you. So yeah, I remember it has been long, but I've tried to remember. All right. I was hoping to get some clarification regarding political signage and the code that addresses them that's attached to tonight's agenda. Even if I can't get a direct answer, I'm hoping the council will take my comments in a consideration prior to amending the ordinance. Section 109-1 of our sign code defines a temporary sign as any sign, banner, penance, balance, or advertising display. Constructed of cloth, canvas, light fabric, cardboard, ballboard, or other light materials, with or without frames intended to be displayed for a limited period of time. What does this mean by a limited amount of time? Political signs are typically out for a couple of months. Just wanted to make sure that they're considered temporary signs since the definition of political signs in section 109-19 subsection A doesn't state that they are. On Munich Code, at the end of section 109-19, the political signs on private property section, there was an editor's note, which states that the ordinance attached to tonight's agenda amended Section 109-19 in its entirety. After that, the note has a link to ordinance number 627, which amended the sign code back in 2010. In ordinance 627, more detailed guidelines were established regarding placement of political signs on city-owned property, as well as the right of way extension that the city has on all private property. Most of us know that as the city easement that extends between the curb and our property lines. Ordnance 627 lists the city-owned locations that such signage is loud and states that political signs may not be placed on city property or the right of way extension until 20 days prior to the commencement of early voting and they must be removed within 48 hours following the conclusion of the election. It also includes a prohibition of mobile, portable, and vehicular signs with the exception of bumper stickers. None of that is mentioned or addressed in the ordinance attached to tonight's agenda. So does amended its entirety as it relates to Section 109-19, mean that ordinance 627 no longer applies? If 627 no longer applies and political signs are indeed temporary signs, then that means they're allowed to be on city property and the right-of-way extensions adjacent to private property right now. If ordinate 627 does still apply, in my opinion it would be who the city to include that information and the revision of the ordinance on tonight's agenda and codified at the earliest available time. So the candidates for office have access to clear concise and complete information. When people go on municode to read our codes, are they gonna read the footnotes? And is that really where we want people to go to have a better understanding of the codes we have to abide by? Also, the city right away extensions adjacent to private property vary from lot to lot. So Howard candidates supposed to know where the private property lines begin, so political science can be placed in the correct location if the 20 days before early voting timeline does apply. In the past, there's been an unofficial, but quasi-official, as it related to enforcement, distance of 10 feet in from the curb for political science placed earlier than 20 days, which is what I'm following. It would just be nice to know without a doubt what the city's actual requirements are. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mo. All right, City Councilor Seben explanation of the city attorney regarding the procedures and process for ethics complaints under the current report. So I asked Brian to give us a kind of an outline about how that process works. So when the council passed or updated the ethics ordinance several years ago. Is that any better? Okay, is that too loud? Okay. With the, I guess, That's too loud. Okay. With the, I guess the recent activities since the last update on the ethics code, there have been some questions about how does it work and some confusion, I guess, from citizens and even officials as to, like what's the normal process, what's the like the normal path that it can take. And there are some deviations. So I'm not going to talk about any specific prior instances. I may give a hypothetical example, but I was just going gonna kind of run through the way it's set up. And then the council can kind of take that and explain it to anyone, has any questions, refer them to the recording, or if there's stuff there you wanna change, you just bring it back and let me know what you want changed. So the ethics code is really designed, not so much to address frontline employees because those are all under the purview of the city manager. It's meant to address mainly volunteers and elected officials appointed officials. It does encompass some aspects for the statutory employeesoys, which is going to be Raphael, your police chief, your fire chief, and some of those. But mainly, it's the council, boards of commissions, and Raphael, who it really applies to. So if someone believes that they have violated the ethics code, the code has a list of prohibitions, things you're not supposed to do. If someone believes that any member of a Board of Commission or the council has violated this code, then they are as a specific ethics complaint they fill out. They fill it out, they have to list kind of what section they're talking about and they have to list kind of what section they're talking about, and they have to give some factual information that backs up. Okay, why do you think that this person violated the code? It has to be sworn to. The ordinance sets up like the general parameters. The ethics commission is allowed to adopt their own kind of rules and procedures, and they've done that. But it's really just to kind of fill in the gaps, like logistically, how they handle things when they come in. So an ethics complaint is filed. Once it's filed though, it has to be evaluated because when you're dealing with ethics, you need kind of a gatekeeper because you can get people that attempt to weaponize any ethics code you have. The example I like to use was told to me by a fellow city attorney where she had a former city attorney for El Paso. She actually had an ethics complaint filed against her under their code for wearing a red dress to a council meeting. And when you upset people, which sometimes happens when you're making decisions, they will latch on to anything they want to complain about you. And we really don't want city resources and stuff wasted on things that aren't actual ethics complaints. And so the gatekeeper function is essentially what's called the ethics compliance officer. By default, the city attorney serves as that role. However, the ethics code basically says, if the complaint is against the council member of the city manager, I'm automatically conflicted out. And so then it has to be assigned out to an outside firm to serve in that same capacity. Can I just real quick? Yes, sir. Council that includes me too. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So certain ethics complaints were attempted. Only one has gone forward against the council member. For those, my office is conflicted. And so that's handled by somebody else. But regardless of who it's handled by, the ethics compliance officer's role is we have to analyze, this is what they said, this is the code they talked about. If everything they said, factually, is proven true. So we essentially assume that for purposes of analysis, everything they say happened does that even violate the code. If it does, then we have an obligation to forward it to the chair of the ethics commission. If it does not, you know, wearing a red dress is not a violation of the ethics code. If that's what they say, then the ethics compliance officer, it's mandated in the ordinance that we dismiss the complaint at that point. When the complaint is filed it's technically confidential so we don't tell people that it complaints have been filed. And we can't really share the complaints have been filed at that point. Sometimes the official doesn't even know that complaints have been filed against them. Because we have to go through the analysis and we're not really bothering them with things. If in fact, they've only been accused of wearing a red dress to a council meeting. If what is asserted does meet those minimum requirements. Well, let me back up. That's on the factual allegations. There are some form aspects of the complaint that need to be filled out. They have to list their name, address. They have to list the title of the person. They do have to swear to it. Certain aspects, if they're missing those things, then the ethics compliance officer has to tell them you're missing stuff, but you can still fill it in. So it gives them a certain number of days to fill those things in and get it back. But assuming the form is the way it's supposed to be or it's been corrected, and if everything were to be established as true, it could be a violation. Then it's forward to the chair of the ethics commission. It is also then given to the official that is accused of violating the code. It's mandated that they be given it at that point. Normally we will inform the complainant that has been forwarded to the ethics commission at that point. If it's been dismissed, then they receive a letter that says it doesn't meet the minimum qualifications and is therefore dismissed. Once it goes to the ethics commission, the ethics commission has to meet. They have to have their first meeting on the complaint before a 60 day window expires. They can have multiple meetings, it's just designed to make sure it just doesn't linger and that some action is being taken to move forward with it. Can I ask you a 60 years from what? From the date of the complaint. So what my office attempts to do, depending on the nature of the complaint, is we attempt to do that analysis that's required within the first 15 days, but depending on what else is going on, no later than 30 days later, because the commission is going to need time in order to hold a hearing. The commission will hold a hearing or hold a meeting and then kind of decide how they want to proceed with it. They can conduct their own investigation or they can just let the complainant present stuff. But what they do is they, at that hearing, they will normally set a date that is more of a trial aspect. Where the commission will consider anything the complaint has to have, they will put people under oath. The respondent, the official who's been accused of violating a code, they don't have to file a response, if they don't want to, but they're allowed to. And they provide a response in writing. We provide the ethics compliance officer is supposed to provide an analysis to the commission for whatever hearing that they have on it where they're going to be taking testimony. And kind of it just explain the legal steps that apply to that code provision, whatever that code provision may be. They then call it, and if once they're ready to hear testimony, they start with the complainant. They will put the complainant under oath. They'll let the complainant talk and basically submit any supporting documents that they have. The complainant isn't under the code allowed to call witnesses, but they can submit any documentation that they feel including affidavits or other things from people. The thing is, whenever they're submitting the respondent or the officer that's been complained of is entitled to have that information in order to prepare a response. So they are the responding officer can present a response if they do they are placed under oath as well. So it is formalized testimony. Understand that there isn't a there isn't really a prosecutor. The commission is the one that's inquiring. It's more like an inquisitive body. Think of it more like a Senate investigation on the congressional level. And so they're the ones that ask questions and they're the ones that are seeking information because their job as a determined was their violation or not. Many times the facts really aren't in dispute as far as sequence of events, but some of the ethics requirements, the prohibitions require them to be done knowingly. Others don't really address what the mental state is. And it's up to the commission to kind of decide who's, who to believe who's telling the truth, what weight they're going to give, documents, and things of that nature. They then deliberate into determine kind of, they, like I said, they can have multiple hearings if they feel they're necessary, just depends on the complexity of the complaint. They then deliberate into determine, kind of, like I said, they can have multiple hearings if they feel they're necessary, just depends on the complexity of the complaint. But once they get to the point that they deliberate, if they find that there's a violation, then they have to assess some form of penalty. If they determine that no violation occurred, then that's what they say, no violation occurred. The process that they go through is largely flexible because you really don't know what kind of complaint you're gonna get, and they can vary rather significantly, but the procedures are laid out as far as, kind of who goes first, who goes second, what the limits are. And, you know, the commission has the ability to intake any documents. And pretty much any document that's submitted by the complainant is given to the commission. Even if it isn't played or read aloud or presented in the public hearing, the commission has it and they evaluate it. And so they go back and they go into executive session and they examine whatever testimony, whatever exhibits, whatever anything has been provided and they discuss what they want to do about it. When they come out, if they vote, they would either vote on that the complaint is you know sustained that there was a violation they then assess a penalty the penalties are outlined largely based on whether or not they were knowingly committed or they were committed but it was more of an accident. Or they just didn't know, maybe they should have known. The commission has, the authority the commission has is laid out in the ordinance. They can penalize someone with a fine of up to $500. They can require training. They can do letters of ammunition or reprimands. They can also make a recommendation to the council to do something regarding the official. A lot of the times who we're talking about are people that council appoints. And so the council is the one that has to remove them. And so the commission has the ability to make recommendations to kind of what happens with those individuals. There is an appeal process. If there is a recommendation but no penalty, then it's really not an appeal, because whoever is complained of, they don't have a penalty and only recommendation the council's made. They can plead their case to the council regardless but the appeal goes to the council anyway so it ends up in the same place. So if there's a penalty like say a fine whether there's a recommendation or not to do something with individual they can appeal that to the to the council and so it would appear before you you have the ability to kind of reexamine it, or you can just kind of look at what the commission looked at. They made make a decision off of that. The kind of process all the way through is designed to give proper notice to the one that's complained of, but we're not going to necessarily go through all that process unless at the very beginning it's established that what you're getting into is in fact something that could be a violation of the code. The thing that can get a little confusing though is if what they're alleging it might be an ethics violation but it's also a charter violation. The ethics code does not give the commission any jurisdiction or power over charter complaints because the charter grants exclusive authority to the council for that. You're the only one that considers charter complaints. And so those are kind of carved out of the process. But as far as the ethics commission and ethics process goes, generally that's the process that's followed. So if citizens have, or if other officials or other employees have complaints that they believe someone has acted against the ethics code, I fill out the form. They need to identify what section they think was wrong and why. Spell it out. If the ethics compliance officer doesn't determine the truthfulness of anything, we have to assume what they said was true and then it's the commission's job to determine factually what happened and kind of what they want to do about it. But if you don't allege something that if all the facts are true, it would be evaluation, then you'll get a dismissal order is kind of what happened. And actually the first several complaints that came in under the ordinance really didn't allege anything. They were more of the red dress kind of scenario. And so those individuals got this missiles. Others have proceeded further, but that's kind of the process in a nutshell. Any questions? Did I hear you say that both the complaint and the person that it's filed against get notice if they don't need the first level? No, the complainant receives notice. The respondent isn't necessarily notified. Now the ordinance and the rules don't really address advising the respondent if in fact it doesn't go forward. My office has traditionally if you've been alleged of wearing a red dress so to speak at a council meeting and it's dismissed because there is just no basis for it. We don't really even bother you with it. If that's something that you would prefer to know, we can certainly forward that on, but that's more of a direction to me and the ethics compliance officer at that point as to kind of how much information you know or you know you wanna know's going on with it. Councillor Sussera, Council, but anyone. How would they do that? Would it be going to be, would it be an ordinance? Would it be a, in other words, I do, actually, I actually would like someone to know there was a, something that was filed against them, even if it was, not systems. Yes, sir. And so, there are two ways to do it. One, you just tell me that's what you want to see happen because that that comes from my office. That's my that's what I would like but maybe the council doesn't and someone else might not want that in the future. So if the council wanted to memorialize that how would they do that? We would just bring back an ordinance amendment. Yes, sir. Does the ethics compliance officer tell the commission what their analysis was on why it came back, why it went to them? Yes. Yes. Because we have to kind of spell out what would be, what kind of things would be a violation. Because especially if there's a requirement that a violation was committed knowingly, we normally spell out if the council or if the commission finds that this was done intentionally or knowingly, then it could be a violation. If you don't find that, then it's actually not a violation. So I mean that's an example. We try to give an analysis so the commission understands what they're looking for. We don't comment on like truthfulness or anything else like that. It's just, actually, these are the things that would be a violation in this scenario and these are the things that would not be a violation in this scenario and these are things that would not be a violation in this scenario. So, presently what happens is if somebody has a complaint for all of them and you determine it's not a valid complaint, the person never knows that they had a complaint for all of them? Yes. Yes, what? Yes, they never know. They never know unless they ask. But if the council wants me to tell you, I'll tell you. If they don't know, how can they ask? Let's ask them every Friday. No, no, no. I mean, if what the council's preference is, I'm like the council can direct and I think it needs to be in there. I just want to make sure what the present. Presently, I don't tell you when you get an unsustained complaint. We're going to do that. It needs to be immoralized somewhere. Not just we might want that, but the next council. So I understand. I was just trying to make sure when I understood that the accused person never gets notified they're accused. And that's that's. That's. So if the sense I'm getting from the council is you want the ordinance to require us to tell whoever is accused at the point they're accused. That's a, I think, and I think we were working on this. Some sort of, I'll use the term I'm used to. Some sort of check us and says, this is, this is where, and I don't, and maybe this is overstepping, but where it is in the process, because sometimes there's this feeling that things get lost in space. They start, and for instance, you said 61, 60 days. What happens at day 61? What if there were some wayward attorney slash whatever that would just say you know I'll just wait out the process. You know you not you but a some other attorney just said'm going to take 45 days to look at this, throw it at, and then the ethics commission can't be in 15 days and then you bust the 60 days. What happens? I mean, and I say again, I just, so it's worth tracking, I guess, whatever that is, I just think it's worth figuring out a tracking system that says because I can the staffing and kind of the communication that we have with the securaries of office I think it'd be very easy to come up with a a temporal check for temporal checkpoints. You mentioned that this is on this is a sworn statement. Yes sir. Does the word perjury come into this? Yes or does? I know my ask you. Absolutely. And that goes actually to the if someone, not this has ever happened to me, but if someone has a sworn statement and it's wrong, it's and they have sworn to it. Number one, that goes to, I'd like to know about it. Because if it is wrong, I would like to pursue whatever that means. And that goes to my first question, which would, if someone has filed something that's incorrect and they have sworn to it because there could be a situation, we'll take your example, someone may and a sworn allegation that that attorney wore a red dress, okay? What if she wore a blue dress? And I know that's hypothetical, but the answer is they swore she wore a red dress. So then she might take that and say, you purge yourself. And in your scenario, she wouldn't even know that that person purged themselves. So I would just like that process to be... I can flesh that out. I will caution that one of the reasons that that kind of flexibility is built in is there are multiple kinds of scenarios where you're going to worry about someone filing an ethics complaint preemptively or as an issue where an official is planning on doing something or likely to do something and they're going to as soon as they know that an ethics complaint has been filed even if the ethics complaint is unsustainable. They do so as an attempt to try and say, well, you retaliate against me or you, you, you, you, um, lashed out against me. It actually insulates the individuals. If they don't know it and it's very clear that they don't know it because it hasn't gotten through that point yet, then it's very defensible to say, you couldn't retaliate if you didn't know that an ethics complaint had been filed against you. And that's the point of all this. Is there is fraud insulate against the weaponization which you spoke to? And then any sort of retaliation, preemptive or not? Because the last thing that I would like to see happen or I think anybody would have this type of complaint be weaponized. I mean, it's just... I would just like to say that when you start discussing this for real, I believe it's a very simple thing, which is if somebody accuses me of something, I'm entitled to know right away what they're accusing me of and who's making the accusation. I mean, that's the bottom line. All of the stuff that's prohibited, prohibitively, or whatever, that's fine. But the bottom line is, if you come and make a complaint against me, I'm entitled to theoretically. I'm entitled to know the next day that you follow a complaint against me and who you are. And let me take it to the political spectrum and I know it's a little bit different, but the same thing happens at the Secretary of State left because someone can find, and even though the Secretary of State says you can't use that, I can file an ethics complaint against anyone. And the answer is that is indeed an ethics complaint. And so someone, even though it says don't use it, the Secretary of State says you can't use it, because the fact that someone filed it still means there's a complaint. And then what happens is in a political arena, someone says, because not that this has ever happened to me, there are five ethics complaints against that person. By the way, none of them are sustained because they're all bogus, but the point is that what happens then is someone says, hey, there's five ethics in place and to his point if someone if if I File that ethics and plan against someone and he doesn't know it. Why you pointed me? I'm my point is that I'm I filed it. I did it and so he doesn't even know it. I filed it. And the next thing happens is he gets something, you know, let's just say in a political arena, he gets something that says there's an ethics complaint filed against. He doesn't even know what's happened. So he didn't even know it. He didn't even know that I filed this bogus thing against him. To my point would be I let Lake the least know it happens so that I can say I know something's there. And here's the thing let's take that one step forward. You can find one against that. Let's say that scenario I see this and I don't agree with it so now I publicly am going to address it so where's the comp I'm just saying where's the the conf- the charity? Right. Because like what you're saying, your immediate reaction is, I want to know now so I can do something about it. As soon as you do something about it, that complaint is no longer confidential and it breaks the system. Do you understand, do you see that? No. I'm not sure. I agree that it breaks the system. No. I wouldn't expect. I don't think it breaks the system because whoever filed it has decided to actually file something and write down that this is a true statement. You have taken a step to write something down and affirm that this is happening. Okay, what's the expectation of confidentiality in a net income? It's confidential up until the point that the commission is holding a public hearing on it. And so it's not confidential. It's confidential all the way through that, which means I can't really tell anyone else, but I know that's come in and neither can the complain it. I can't hear anything about it. So when does the accused find out he's accused if it's all confidential. When either it is forwarded to the commission, the accused is a fault. The confidentiality still applies, but the accused is informed that it's going to the commission. So how long would this, I mean, see the whole thing just, it you only have 60 days. If I'm accused of something I don't know anything about it number one if it's dropped I never know anything about it till they drop it on me at the term at the commission meeting and number two if there if it is a battle of thing going up I never find out about it until it's time to go to court. You you find out about it until it's time to go to court. You find out about it well in advance of any hearing. But in your scenario, let's just say you got it and we'll say roughly 15 days. So in roughly 15 days, you're going to make the determination if indeed what I filed, if it happens to be true and it would indeed be an ethics violation. So in that scenario, at that point, you would tell the person, there's been a complaint and let's just assume there's a 60 day window, 15 days you've determined it. You would know it at the 15 day. In this scenario, you would know it 15 days. There's been a complaint. It's been filed. It's going to be. But I would also want to know who filed a complaint. That's why I would. You would get a full copy of the complaint. At that point, you get everything. The accused has given everything that was filed. Yeah, I just don't believe in dropping these little things and then suddenly at the last minute your red dress was wrong. Well, it's not it's not the last minute. I mean, it like said in a perfect scenario. I think it roughly 15 days. Yeah. If it's valid, if it's valid, you never hear about now again. But back back to the original point, let's say, let's say it gets there. And there's a date set. We're going to go in front of the commission and individual the complainant or the person being complained upon still can't publicly talk about it until after until the commission the commission has to kind of announce that they're going to do a public hearing on it and that's kind of where it gets out there as to what it is. There's still a certain level of confidential that apply but it's significantly reduced to that point because you're having a public hearing regarding. But up until that point, no one's really allowed to talk about it. Who's not allowed to talk about it? Anybody that knows about it? I can't bring the signs. No sir. So, what I'm saying is that the point that it's filed, the accused should be notified that up your under investigation. That's just, would they file a complaint? It's up to the council when you want that, if you want that, how you want that. So let me, let me suggest, I can put together some different options, the two different things. And then the council can pick which one or combination of whatever you want to use. Cause it really boils down to what does the council want it to be. And it can be whatever you want it to be. Just understand there's a given take. The cost is complained. Nothing's anonymous. No, but the person being complained about has no knowledge of it for what 15 days? Yeah. All right. Got a couple questions. That's an error. And that's an error. Yes, in that scenario. Yeah, we talked about the perjury thing ahead of time while filing. Is there a recourse of somebody's up there during the hearing and it's later determined that they perj perturb themselves or. So the way perjury works, the criminal action, the criminal aspect of it, it's not what, I'll say normal humans think. Essentially, you have to lie under oath in front of a tribunal with the express purpose of deceiving the tribunal. If that's what they do, then that goes to the DA's office. Okay. And then let's see. And the Commission Council says a tribunal. Yeah. You mentioned that penalties, fines, letters of... Reprimand, yes sir. And then recommended action. Say they don't take a recommended action. Does the Council still have the ability to take an action after that based on the hearing? Like if for whatever reason, we had a board and somebody came through and the ethics commission didn't say something about a particular board member, they gave them 17 letters of rubber band but there was no action to remove them. We still, I guess we can remove for anything. But the council still has the ultimate ability to do what you want to do with. I guess I just answered my own question. Yes, sir, you do. And then does the city council get a report of what happened during this? I mean, again, do we know, or is it not really, especially if we're going to take an action. Well, do we at least get a summary of what's been discussed? Nothing's been appealed to the council as of yet. If it is appealed to the council, absolutely. You get everything, right? You get everything that was presented to the commission. The aspect within is okay, if it's going through the process, it's not to your level. If they're appealing to you, the more advanced information and pieces of information you get, before then, you kind of want to make sure no one is asserting you've been prematurely biased on anything, or that you come to a conclusion beforehand or anything like that. And so if it's going to get appealed to you, normally those decision-makers are insulated while the process is going on so that you have a fresh look at what's going on and you're not prejudiced or biased one way or the other. Like when their HR issues and ultimately Raphael, things get appealed from the part that have things they go to to Rafael. He may know about operational aspects and things going on, but he doesn't get like HR investigations or things until it goes up to his level. And so, especially if it's being handled by a supervisor, and they have the authority to handle those things. So, again, it's what is the council want it to be? But normally, if it's something that the council want it to be, but normally if it's something that can be appealed to you, you're usually hands off until it gets to you. Right. Now, once the ethics commission holds its public hearings, I mean, you know something's going on and that doesn't prevent you from taking action, however you want to take action regarding board members or things like that separately. But you're taking action based on not what you've received from the ethics commission. You're taking action, you know, for other reasons. If it's appeal to you, then you get everything anyway. And normally my attorney preference is you are insulated until it gets to that point. It is a little spot. Yes sir. Okay, let me ask you. You use Ralphiel as an example, but he goes to his level. And you're saying he only gets what the recommendation is. No. He's not entitled to all the bases for the recommendation. No, he doesn't get it until it's appeal left to him as to what's going on. I mean, if the permanent heads have problems with various employees and things, they obviously keep him informed. But as far as disciplinary action goes or all of the in the grass or in the weed details with regard to, you know, why someone may, why a supervisor may have, you know, issued a rep or man or something like that, that he doesn't get all of those details until it's appealed up to him through the process. Once it's appealed up to him, he gets everything. Right, okay, no sweat, that's what I got it. As it relates to at-monishment or whatever, my, in my military career at-and-monishment or reprimandor something would be actually a letter that would say, you did this, and so therefore you are admonished. Yes. Or what are reprimanded. Is that the outcome of the ethics? I mean, you know, yes, technically a formal written. So someone letter. So that would that there's a document that would happen as a result of the ethics commission says, we are going to admonish this person for this particular. This act, yes sir. Then there's a admonishment or whatever that's written. Yes sir. And then so the, is that come from your office? The ethics compliance officer whoever is serving is that role. So the only admonishment so far have been ones I've been conflicted out of. So, okay, so, so, so that's then written. Yes, it's a document for if a person were accused or found guilty if that's the right term of several items, there would be each one would be a separate in-monishment? Each thing that they were, you know, found to have violated. Okay. All right. Would be in a letter. It's not going to be a separate letter for each one. They can put it in a single letter. It's given to the chair. The chair assigns it. It goes in their file and they get a copy of it. So there's a written document. And that document is in the files of the ethics commission. Yes, sir. And that is a open document. That's an open document. So a person who wanted to see that would file an open record request. Open record request. Yes, sir. Other than that, there's other than if the ethics commission chose to decide to take some recommendations, say for it to the council, that would be a separate thing that they would actually send. But if they chose just to say you are a remanage or reprimanded, it would just basically stay there. There's no reason for it to go anywhere. Right. So there are technically two things that happen. One is in the minutes of the ex-commissionation. Okay. Right. and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it's a report and it I'm not talking about volunteers. I'm talking about volunteers. I'm talking about volunteers. I'm talking about volunteers. I'm talking about volunteers. I'm talking about if somebody has found a city employee has found guilty of whatever the charge is, you're saying that the letter of reprimand only goes to the Ethics Commission to be filed and no copy goes to the commission. Employees are not under the Ethics Commission be filed and no copy goes to employees are not under the ethics commission The ethics commission doesn't have jurisdiction over employees Rafael does So but a letter from Rafael if Rafael finds somebody guilty a copy of that that letter Whatever would go with the employees first the health Yeah, that's no that's not ethics. Well, that's a that's a writeup. That's just a regular employee write-up. But yes, that would be in the employee file. So I have a comment first, which is the reason we have so many questions is this is the first time the ethics commission is met since we appointed them. Yes. As I know on a complaint. Is it correct that the time frame to file is within a year? Yes. Yes. And then my last question, and it was commented earlier in citizens to be heard, but reading the complaint that was violated, is that not part of the public hearing during the commission meeting? If they decide that something's sustained. So like I said, the penalty. The confidentiality applies up to the point where the commission holds its public hearing. Right? And so they're not supposed to release the complaint until the public hearing. When they're in the public hearing, they actually read the complaint, or a complaint summary is technically what they're supposed to do. The public announces what the inquiry or the investigation is about, what they're accused of doing. But it's not really supposed to be a listing of all the evidence or all the stated factoring. It's just a very, it's supposed to just be a very brief high level summary of what the complaint is and the underlying basis for it. So if you let me make up a hypothetical example. So let's say a council member is accused of exerting undue influence on somebody. And so the complaint says they pressured me to hire a particular vendor, their brother happens to work for, or something like that. The reading of the complaint was essentially just say, they're accused by this person, this person is accused by this other person, exerting undue influence with regard to selection offenders, right? And that's really all that's supposed to be public. Does that make sense? I understand it. OK. Does it make sense? It's a different question. But what the commission, at the point that the commission starts as public hearing though, they have to have the ability to go wherever the evidence takes them. So depending on what people testify to, what documents come up, things like that, they need to kind of follow what's going on. The process gets them up to this point, and then they control the investigation from there. Now, technically, they also have the ability to instruct ethics compliance officer to kind of collect data and stuff ahead of time for so that they're not asking questions and doing stuff quite as publicly. But that's just more of the method that they get the data. It's still, they have to review that data, whether it comes from the, you know, the documents presented during a hearing or it's collected ahead of time, they're looking at the same stuff. And so, the thing is you can have a, when you're having a public hearing, it's public. So at that point, you don't really have a expectation that all things are gonna be confidential in that regard, but it's confidential leading up to that point. Because up until that point, there are different things that can dissipate it, make it go away, dissolve it, take care of it in other ways so that it is the public announcement of what the accusations are, because they're just accusations at that point. Nothing's been proven, nothing's been established. And as well, no accusations can be, you know, more harmful than, you know, the truth of what happened. And so you keep it confidential up to the point where they actually start a public hearing, then they explore wherever they need to explore. Okay, let me ask you that I understand. I was waiting through this all this stuff. And there a section that talked about even if the person was no longer there. That an entries complaint can still be filed on that person even though they longer work for the company. What is. So that section really has a very limited application. And it really is, so if you have an employee, or sorry, an official that's here and they're accused of releasing confidential information and they say, fine, I quit. And then they go and I post it on Facebook, the same confidential information. Yeah, but what I'm saying is they they already said fine, I quit and they've gone somewhere else. Right, so the commission, if they determine that was done willfully, they can still assess a fine. They still have the ability to monetarily penalize them. But do you have the authority to penalize them? Yes. But only because of the way the ordinance is written. But really that former employee section is just designed for that kind of scenario. And I mean, you could do a letter of admonition, but it's not going to do it at that point. Right? The only penalty that has any sort of effect is going to be, well, I won't say that. The fine has the most significant effect. the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Another position at the city later on if they quit now and in a year they come back Does that answer everybody's questions All right All right Items below pursue 551071, real property. 551073, dedication, dedication's review. 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So I think all we need to need is the council has, can I, am I allowed to just say that we're not voting right? No, you're not. The council, the council conversation was that we would, the council has decided to allow for the public hearing for or come to us. All right, so absent that we are at the city manager's report. Mayor and council members, we provided you a few pages and a lot of attachments under the manager report this press week or this week. Some of those items will be on future agendas. So we're going to keep you ahead of the curve on those. There's some of them that are I'm going to call it public safety related. There's something and once related to batteries, I'm going to call it. I think that's, please review the information that we provided to y'all. I think that's very important. Give me a call. If you have any other questions on some of the attachments that we provided, please review the attachments. I know we've had it about six of them, right? Yeah. Is that issue on October 7th, agenda? Data racing. I think we do have it on there. Because we're trying to schedule some meetings with us, but we're going through the process and they might be on the 7th, but it's coming soon. If not the 7th and the following day. Any questions on any of that? We did provide you the sales tax report. You can tell that we're not the only ones hurting, but we have dropped. We're still in the top five in the area from the report that I provide to y'all. But you can see that it is dropping. We're no longer sharing any kind of sales tax with the city of San Antonio. So that's the actual number. Now please recall that, you know, we do the accrual basis. So those numbers are two months ago. So, and that's the reason Natalia was mentioned, you won't see the final numbers. But we are, it is tight on the cells tax side. I'm just a quick question. The answer, down under the outstanding invoices down where you're with the animals. Yes, sir. You show a total outstanding invoices of $100,000. That is correct. But then next the next line you show total here paid to date $172,000. That is correct. So we're looking at $272,000. As of right now, yes, and I have one more invoice coming in For the month of September and let's say you take a average of 30,000. I'm looking at about a 300,000 Yes, sir How many dogs are we at right now? Do you know I counted them this morning and I think we had 36 I thought we were in the 40s again, so yeah We have you know, we we've adopted seven of them, but we just added more to the inventory. Okay, we budgeted $200,000 bucks for dogs, right? I think we budgeted at 175. Okay, we've got us. Now we're over a quarter million bucks for dogs. No, the numbers are here. We're budgeting for 15 to 20 dogs and we're saying 40. It's gonna. Yeah. We're right. Yeah, I understand I live but I'm well, however it works 300 thousand dollars for for Kennel operations are or abandoned dogs. On a positive note, the bear met 911 system is given us a console that has a value of about 66,000. I'm just trying to balance it, I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. I'm just trying to balance it. No, no, it's this week. I'll have a ready for the make a rotsale, okay? No, I haven't ready for the make a rotsale. That's what I said. I'll pack it did up and I'll have it ready Is there anything else I'm sorry. Yeah, we approved the renewal of the grant. Yes, man. Report. I got it. I thought I had sent it, but I'll send it. Okay. And I. What newsletters being laid, I know has to do with the editor. Now they have one. So that should fix. Yes. Who reads for typos or errors? I don't know. Fill up and I am. Who made fill up? Okay. I know this past one was a challenge. Okay. Now one thing that I do believe. this past one was a challenge. Now one thing that I do believe, we probably need to meet sometime soon and Miss Indy and Miss React, sometimes soon. And with the council in general, cause there's a list of questions that we probably need to answer. So we can have some backup information for the future poll project. Well, and that was my other question. Of these bullet point things? Yes, ma'am. I thought we did have some things from Mr. Young that we submitted. I had the original ones from the previous polls, but not from this one. And I know that the council hasn't really made a decision of where the pool's going to be. I'm assuming that we could put it on Jim seal drive. And I know from my side, I got to work with Ryan to convert that into Parkland. I also got to get it appraised so that I can have a value attached to it. You know, I got to see what I'm going to do. I'll praise it first at a value and then turn it to park There's a few things that we got to adopt the ice and cross the trees on these things If I'm mistaken, I think it's on the B1 Yeah, B1 that are one B1 I think they just gave it to us as part of the upgrading the systems. the last meetings. For the RFQs. For the RFQs. Yeah. I don't want to interrupt anything else. I move adjourned. Second. Move to the second. We adjourned. Discussion. I was a