Okay. And we should be rolling. So I should be sharing my screen here. Make sure that's working. There we go. There's someone. There she is. Hello, Sarah. Welcome in. Just in time. All right. Please, sure. So let's start with the roll call. Sarah, do you want to go first for the roll call? I'm call? Okay, excellent. And then do you want to annotate it from there? Do Cresby? You throw up. It's not a yesee member. Or McLean? Yesee member? Tim Stevens planning commission liaison. John Fer John Ward, a member of the Energy Transition Subcommittee. Kurt Lawrence, staff liaison to ESC. Okay. Now we can roll into the public comment period. We do have a couple of people online and in person. We'll start with the in person folks. If you'd like to make a public comment, please feel free. Step up to one of the podiums. If not, that's also OK. I'll just introduce myself. Where is that from this morning earlier? And I think so. Move to false church about a year ago with my family, two little girls. I have a background in environmental studies from University of Colorado Boulder, also a master's in environmental journalism. So I saw that I'm finally able to kind of get involved in stuff after being here for a year. So, and I know there's a vacancy on the board. So just gonna see if this might be a good bit. And look forward to hearing more about everything you do. Right, thank you. Sure. Hi everyone, I'm Claudia Manosh. I've been in Falls Church for almost two years now. I also have a background in environmental science as well as a master's of public health with a focus on food systems. And I work at the Environmental Protection Agency, but I am actually resigning because of the situation. So I'm on the job search again, looking for something in food systems, but yeah, I also noticed that there's a vacancy and I'm very interested and I'm excited to get involved. So yeah, great to meet everyone. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Okay. And online, Sabra, would you like to make a public comment? Yeah, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Amidim DeBoro Luca. I go by Deborah. I'm currently a social and environment to safeguard sustainability senior advisor at the World Bank and have been in full charge for about three years now. I've worked in environmental and social safe guards of sustainability for about 10 years with the United Nations and then with USAID just prior to its closing and now with the World Bank. So really interested in this council and really interested to knowing what you do here. So happy to be here over. Okay, great. And question for you, Deborah, if you don't mind, can you hear us okay online? I can hear you. I'm just gonna turn off my camera cause it's fuzzy and I think I don't have that much bond with. That's no problem. But I can hear you very. Okay, excellent. So we will move right on. We did not receive any public comments through the email or anything. So I think we can move on to the next slide. I'm here. Which is the approval of the April ESC minutes. So we'll go back over there. Does anybody have any comments or questions about the minutes? or is there a motion to approve? Okay. Good. Let's. Okay. Yeah, we did have a question here. There was a gentleman in the audience. Did anyone catch his name? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay. I think Joseph may have known him, but I think we can probably just leave that part off the minutes and I think that's a cry. So I move of proving the minutes with that one edit to remove the highlighted section. Okay. Anyone second? Second. Okay. Thanks. It's just called there. Okay. Sarah, you're okay with approving the minutes as they're written. Okay. Then we can call that approved minutes. Thank you everyone. Okay, the next item is introducing our newest ESD member, Lauren McElinch. So Lauren, if you'd like to say a few words about yourself and introduce yourself to the group, that would be great. Hi everyone. As it says on the screen, my name is Lauren McElinch. You've seen me in a few different meetings as a member of the public from the past few months. I've been in Falls Church now for gosh seven issues. I can't do the math very well. But yeah, just happy to be here, happy to be involved and looking forward to our discussions and building the ESC and making the community stronger. Okay, great. Thank you. Welcome, Lauren. All right, moving right along. Liaisons and subcommittee reports. Tim, you want to share anything recently from the thank you commission? It's pretty slim this month. We really haven't had many developments going on within the city. So we did have our, we call it an advance as opposed to a retreat, which is basically our annual planning meeting a few weeks ago. And one of the things that I brought up was the need to update our cottage housing ordinance so that it's not as restrictive as it is right now. We had the one obviously very successful development that railroad cottages, but given all of the restrictions that were in the ordinance that permitted that development, we haven't had any others. So it turns out staff had kind of worked on this right before COVID struck and it's kind of sat there ever since so I'm kind of pushing to To introduce this reintroduce this so we can get Another housing type in the city and of course that'll help make the city more walkable and as well as provide other environmental benefits that were calculated when the railroad cottages actually came before the USC. So there was that. We also approved the site plan for the new Econize business, which is located on Park Avenue now, but they want to move over to Broad Street. So that will be a nice new modern looking building that will be on Broad Street when it's completed. So, and that's all I've got. What's the difference between cottage housing? Like, the community is actually in cottage housing? cottage housing is usually involved a number of units that are designed all the same time whereas the backyard units like that are usually just one off that we want and somebody's backyard. So the cottage house usually is some effort to have a focal point of community. In the case of the railroad cottages, they have a common building which they're all able to use. And I've seen examples in other parts of the country that have something similar. They tend to be smaller units than the alternative these days, which is a Mick Mansion type unit. So for example, in the railroad cottages, they were able to put in 10 units there versus it might have just been four of the larger detached houses. So yeah, it has some community as well as some environmental benefits. That's all I have. Excellent. Well, thank you very much. We do not have Debby at she might be coming a little later and we can hear from her at that point, but I can share a few things. Staff weighs on. I've been keeping up with the ULI tap. We're still expecting a full written report to come. And staff has been kind of going back and forth with the people at ULI. And we expect I would assume that the report would be out before our June meeting. I said it from from the final stages there. Also, in the June meeting, we're expecting Lionel Moulard. Oh, yeah. Are you able to utilize the Urban Land Institute and you're talking about the property area? Yes, sorry. Should have clarified that. We've been with the presentation. It was in January. We saw the presentation in February. The right View I tap was a urban land institute technical assistance panel about What to do in the Gordon road triangle towards the west end of the city by west falls. So it's a good there's a nice PowerPoint that's out right now that we looked at in February. If people want I I can share that again. But there's a full written report with a lot more details that should be coming out very soon. I don't know, track. Is there a next step? I think that's going to be identified in the report. I haven't been on the inside of the exchanges between staff and and ULI, But I would assume that that's in the report. During the tap itself, people talked about the next step really being the city's investment in a new property yard building down in that area. So you're kind of revitalizing that area with city investment might kind of invite investment from private development and kind of revamp that whole area. But I think that will be much more clearly identified in the report. Any other questions on the on the tap before I continue? Okay. That was a great question, yeah. So in June, we are expecting Lionel Mollard to come and visit the USC and the ESC and speak. Kind of introduce himself, share some updates on things that he's working on. He has been working on West Falls as well as the Geothermal HVAC at the community center. And at the time of our June meeting, the HVAC project is scheduled for to be completed. So it could be great to hear from him about, you know, the project in total and then kinda look at how that project is gonna operate moving forward. So it should be an exciting meeting. It's always great to have guest speakers come. Next. I think that's pretty much it for me from for now. I've got a few items up here. The progress report I'll talk about and I'll lead us through that whole document. And then the adopted budget. I know I got Joseph's name up there, but I can answer a few questions that have come in and kind of go through the rest of my ideas here. Yeah, one of the positive things I think that came out of the budget process was that City Council agreed to fund a seller on top of the oral house. So we'll have to look for details on that. But... was that City Council agreed to fund a seller on top of the oral house. So we'll have to look for details on that. But previously it was just designated as unfunded. So now it should escape that limitation. Was that hard to shuffle that around? So that could get in the budget? Well, in a situation where they were looking for cuts, it was kind of nice to see that happened on the last, of course, we kept those of us that were promoting this. I'll always kept pointing out it will pay for itself. So it's not really an expenditure. It's just an accounting issue as far as grabbing where the savings occur and you know, link it back to the initial investment. So, do we know, does anybody know if there's still concern about tax credits for the age back system that's still persistent? I think so for the age back system. Yeah, the geothermal. At some point somebody raised that there was like some concern that that could get snagged, but is that no longer concerned? There were two issues with it. One was about the size and having heard whether or not it's come in below the size limit. And then they're taking the residential tax credit as under threat. I didn't have anything, but I haven't heard about the commercial. Our planning staff, Department of Public Works, keep on sobsy that does the CIP says that they have reached out to federal contacts, and so far, they have not gotten any indication that it wouldn't be that the credit wouldn't come through. Who knows? And that's a great question for Lionel when we see him next month. Okay. Any other questions on anything? So in that section, comments? OK, moving right along. So we can dive into the Community Energy Action Plan ProgRes report, which should take up a fair amount of time here. It's an effort that we did last June. And now this one's coming in May. And this one includes some more input that we got throughout the year. A big difference is that this one includes data. And I know that's been a big point of interest for people. So to be a good discussion tonight, I think what we'll do is I'll just kind of go through page by page and kind of section by section and then we can stop for comments and questions and discussion and and get through it and see what people think. Okay. So I will just start by reading pretty much the whole page. The request, most people are familiar with, but it's kind of a recap of what I just mentioned. So ESC members are requested to receive a report on progress made by city staff on the community energy action plan adopted by city council on November of 2023. The plan sets ambitious goals, reducing greenhouse gas emissions 50% below 2005 levels by 2030, and achieving net zero emissions by 2050. The progress report will discuss the status of actions outlined in the plan to meet these objectives. So right, the progress report is organized into three sections. One, background, two, community energy action plan. We usually call the SEAP for anyone. If that word sticks out, that is our term for it. So two is the SEAP action item progress report. And section three, SEAP, metrics tracking. Okay. So we can move to the. I didn't want to that small. There we go. Okay. So background, the community energy action plan was developed through a top-down model of emission reduction potential from key sources in 2020. 42% of the city's greenhouse gas emissions came from energy used in the transportation sector, while 50% came from residential and commercial buildings. To target the most significant opportunities for emissions reductions, this plan focuses on transportation and buildings. The model and made aggressive but practical assumptions to decarbonize these key sources of emissions and highlights the significant effort required to meet the community greenhouse gas reduction goals. The emissions model targets were aligned with a community input on key interests barriers and challenges to implementing the necessary changes. Feedback was gathered through two public outreach sessions and discussions with city committees and staff to ensure that the plan reflects the community's priorities for climate action and provides the support needed from the city to achieve them. The resultant strategies are outlined in the table below. And throughout the report, we will be referencing these strategies and milestones. So strategy one, enhance access to car free alternatives. So by 2030, the target there is that by 2030, 20% reduction in passenger car vehicle miles traveled. Strategy two, accelerate the shift to EVs and the goal is by 2035, 100% of new passenger vehicle purchases are electric, and by 2050, 100% of new medium and heavy-duty vehicle purchases are electric. Strategy 3, improve efficiency and electrify our buildings, by 2030, 13% reduction in building energy used, driven by the following actions being taken annually. installation of 200 to 350 air source heat pumps, electrification of 150 to 200 water to the driven by the following actions being taken annually. Installation of 200 to 350 air source heat pumps, electrification of 150 to 200 water-veaters, and 60 homes complete whole-home efficiency improvements. Strategy 4 is minimized carbon impacts of new development and encourage energy efficient and low-carbon development in the city is the target for that. Strategy five, increase clean electricity supply with a target being by 2030, 5% of single family homes will have on-site solar, increase into 20% by 2050, and strategy six is improved measuring, tracking, and reporting of activity and emissions and promote progress within the community. It's hard, it's for strategy six, we're not identified in the seat. So this table was extracted pretty much verbatim from the seat, just trying to stick to that plan as much as we can as kind of our guide here. I did include the sixth strategy. It's not in that table that I believe is on page nine of the plan, but it is relevant and it has a few action items in itself. So I will take a break there. Any questions or comments in the background and request section? Okay. Alright, so now we can kind of get into the meat of the report. So right, this is section two, which is the CEAP Action Items Broadress Report. Each of the six strategies identified in the CEAP includes potential actions that the city can take to help community members make decisions that align with the level of clean technology adoption needed to achieve the greenhouse gas emission reduction goals of the SEAP. These action items are organized into three time frames for initiating action. With the short term being 2025, medium term being 2026 to 2028, and long term being 2029 and beyond. The SEAP progress report organizes the action items similarly with separate tables for each time frame. Each table includes the number and title of the action item as defined in the SEAP as well as columns for work completed and work planned for FY26. Okay. So going right along. So each of these action items has a number here 1.1, 1.3, 1.4. The 1.1, 1.3, 1.4. The one here relates back to the strategy that we saw. And the 0.1, 0.3 is the individual title of the action. You'll notice there's a few gaps. For example, 1.2 is not here. That's because it's a medium or long term action. And those are organized later in the report. Okay, so we'll just go through each one and we will take a break after each. First number to take questions and comments. Okay, so 1.1, increasing ability to bike safely, city council adoption of bicycle master, sorry, I should slow down. So for work completed, city council adoption of bicycle master plan, January 27th, 2025, and east west pedestrian and bicycle connection between the WNOD trail and secondary schools campus awarded funding for design through budget amendment, meeting held with residents of fall, search, cause, or condomins in December. Work plan for FY 26 for this item is the Shreve and Haytalk Road shared use path public meeting to be held in late May 2025 and East West pedestrian and bike connection between the W0D trail and secondary schools campus project design phase will be the spring and summer 2025. Okay, 1.3 promote and support golf carts, scooters and ebikes. There are 10 capital bike share stations located within the city. This is for work completed. 1000 ebikes were added to the capital bike share fleet in fall 2023. Site visits for phase two capital bike share stations completed April 2025 and staff has conducted research regarding current best practices and industry standards for micro mobility. Work plan for FY 26 summer in fall 2025 will be the installation of bike share phase two. We will amend the city ordinance with respect to shared mobility which is scooters and eikes, and develop policy on ways to support and encourage the safe use of low speed electric vehicles for example golf carts on city streets. 1.4 pedestrian travel. So there are active neighborhood traffic common cases in progress or greenway downs, Nolan street, Southwest street, North Roosevelt Street, Fowler Street, Poplar Drive Hill, Sherro Avenue, East Columbia Street, Mitch Stuse Projects, including Founders Row, Founders Row 2, Slash Madera Falls Church, Northgate, 301 West Broad and Broad in Washington have contributed to a walkable pedestrian environment with more Mitch Stuse projects in development, such as West Falls, and progress on CIP projects is reported quarterly to City Council including progress on transportation projects related to pedestrian travel Recently completed projects include the WNOD trail crossings and Wall Street sidewalks So work plan for FY26 is pedestrian travel will be supported by the following programs, neighborhood traffic, common, missing links, rapid response crew, sidewalk repairs program, CIP projects, and private development projects. Okay, so that's everything for Strategy One, which again is enhance access to car free alternatives. We'll take a break for any comments or questions. The connection to the secondary campus, is there, does anybody happen to know if they still need to work through easement things? Is that like, is that part of that process or do they need to know that going into the process? I think that would be examined in more detail as part of that process, but it was a carry on me now. It's our staff person that's going to be leading that. Okay. And we do have a question from the public. Does anyone object to taking them? Okay, answer anything. Did you have a question? So this isn't GHG for when I'm doing spell, paper, scene, bus runs. Every limited bus ride. I know I'm curious if that's completely handled by a lot of what DC is. Yeah, that's something I've been interested in because it's very limited bus ride. Yeah, just a couple of BRT is in the planning stage. That has a pretty defy. Some changes are coming now because there's a bus that's by our stop that says it's going to go to George Mason. Starting in the end of June. There are a lot of changes coming to the Metro bus system. I think they're eliminating a lot of stops with the idea that they will provide faster service and try to be more reliable. If you'd like, I can try to forward you some articles on that. I've been seeing that in the last month or so. I know there's a big change coming at the end of June. There's a big change coming to the whole system. So I think that a lot of stops are going to get action. So it'll be interesting to see how people's services affect and see what people really think. But yeah, the bus rapid transit. It's not reported on here because it is very early planning stages, but that is something that we've kind of discussed. Okay. So I'm moving right on in that talk a few minutes. I think we can get through this. I know it's a slow process, but maybe this is of interest to people. So we're going to keep going, I guess. So the one stop shop is, you'll see it's 2.13.1 and 5.1. It's the same strategy, kind of applied to different goals of the plan. So the one stop shop, if you haven't heard of it yet, is a one stop shop for community energy action is the full name and it has, it's an online resource that has information on things like electric vehicles, solar panels and efficient and electric appliances which includes everything from induction stoves to water heaters, heat pumps, even electric wanted equipment was the most recent addition. So we will go ahead and say that the one-stop shop has been published including pages for EVs, rooftop solar, induction stoves, electrical water heaters, heat pumps, geothermal heat pumps, heat pump close drives, home energy audits, and electric water equipment. Feedback service has been added to seek the following information, usefulness, accuracy, clarity, and influence of information presented, and presence of see-related items in the city like heat pumps and induction staves Two videos have been published electric vehicles and home energy audits, which is also titled a Cherry Hill farmhouse energy use upgrades And in fall 2024 one-stop shop flyers were mailed to all city residents received a personal property tax mailing So upcoming work for that includes more videos, we'll be created with the help of false church city TV. And with topics including an overview of the seat, kind of like we were doing today, rooftop solar and efficient and electric appliances. And additional web pages will be considered based on information from the feedback survey or community input. For example, we added this law and equipment page from people doing the survey and kind of sending an email. So we're happy to consider things as they come in. Personal property tax incentives. No actions formally completed yet. But it's added to the calendar year 2025 planning division work program and that initial phase will include research and kind of assessment of possibilities. And that is section two, so right to was accelerate in the shift to EVs. Any comments or questions there? I, I don't want to go ahead and question it. Sure. I'm pretty sure this is a deal and rule thing as we run into with many things. But the city essentially can't do anything at this point on its own. It's different from the tax and perspective tenant. Like stormwater I know has a tax rate but was that a state thing for you to talk about for personal property? Yeah. Well I guess I'm thinking more generally here. Like any of the types of taxes that are at the local level? Well I guess is that really?? Yeah, what is there other than the personal property and vehicles, right? Well, that's personal property. Right. Yeah. Real estate tax, of course. Sales tax. Pretty much. Permission from the state for all of them. Try anything where they do. Yeah. Just wondering if just wondering if there's any. I'm sure we should consider all the letters that are available. But. For something like this storm, storm water, that's. Is that. I'm trying to remember how that works on our. On our assessments. Uh. Yeah. So we get we get an extra based on. For example, you're your permeable. Surface right you get taxed accordingly, right? And the city has a schedule of credits that people want to apply. I my understanding is very few people do. But you know, that's one capacity that we do have. And say it's in the code. Yeah, where this comes from is just constantly a lot of like DC and centers are funded through additions to. Energy energy, the a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. amount of money that comes in from the gas and water utilities in terms of taxes and say okay a fraction of that will always be committed. That's not a new tax. You can do it. That's a close thing to think of. And Arlington did that for a while. I think they've kind of retracted it, but for a while, they were using that utility tax to help fund their environmental staff. Can I arbitrary? You could make it. Restaurant sales taxes, there's nothing could be anything, but that's just... Yeah, energies. I wonder if there's anything that you worth to use, like time and wise, putting in a word to support that sort of a thing. I don't know what time of year. I already brought that up, but could be interesting to try to figure out a way to consent its bucket however small. Well, there aren't any tools on the seat side of the ledger. It's mostly voluntary. So just about the only thing the city can do is put up financial incentives to do things that reduce emissions. Right. But the have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. The first time around she might have thought about that like how would you know? Fun. Yeah, well state legislation too is is usually considered in the November December time for I so at the ESC wanted to push for a particular Change the tax provision that would be a good that requires state intervention and that would be the time to do that Yeah, but that one instance with the reallocation may not require state intervention. Okay. All right, that's all. Thank you. Sure. Okay. We can move on to section three, which to reiterate that strategy has improved efficiency and electrifier abilities. So action 3.2, commercial and residential energy audit programs. So for this one last year, kind of in the summer, we had an RFG doout for commercial energy audits. Then in June, we had the first round of RFG closed and responses collected. We revised it and sent it back out to vendors, including some additional vendors that closed in August. And nothing really, nothing viable really came out of that RFQ search responses we got from some of the vendors were that they're not interested because it's kind of outside their usual industry and they've kind of got enough residential folks to do since we were or ocean four commercial. And then the other side that does commercial, usually does much, much better buildings than what we were interested in doing and offers that came in we're just way outside of our of our budget and we don't think would have been effective effective use of dollars so in November we began exploration of utilized and a grant program for commercial energy audits rather than contracting an energy audit vendor. And then in December, I'm kind of around that same time we had an application go out to Virginia Department of Energy for Energy efficiency and conservation block grant sub grant funding to establish a residential energy audit program. And that was authorized by Council on the 9th of December. Then in March, we resubmitted the application. Virginia Department of Energy got some new guidance to kind of ensure that we can get that funding. So we revised the application and resubmitted. And then in April, they began drafting a contract for the city to review and finalize. I've heard that Virginia Department of Energy is they're having to rewrite a lot of their contract language. So it's taking a while to get that out. But I've been in regular contact with the representative from Virginia Department of Energy. So we're still expecting a really positive result there. It's just a little slower than I know a lot of people would have liked. So next steps for that, an FY26 will be to review and finalize the subgrant contract with Virginia Department of Energy and then pending the results of that subgrant application continue planning the commercial energy audit program, which the first step would be including exploring potential partners. And then procure a vendor to complete residential energy audits and establish that program and run it, including sign up forms, advertisements, audit delivery and audit tracking. 3.4 LMI building improvements campaign. So LMI stands for well and moderate income. So we're completed City staff met with a representative of community housing partners in May 2024 Called CHP. CHP is offered to complete energy audits and made relevant energy efficiency upgrades for city residents qualifying by either income or age. They have a whole host of energy programs. So we went ahead and sent out CHP flyers to the library, the senior center in City Hall, and then we mailed all of those flyers to people who received a personal property tax mail-in. And now we've been exploring additional methods of reaching out to eligible community members, including utilizing the residential energy audit program. And we plan to continue to advertise this program to those who are eligible and track program utilization. I guess that's it for number three. Any questions or comments? Question on two comments. Those are questions. I guess 3.2. It says under the planned actions. You said audit tracking. Yeah. What does that mean? Is that just check a box that an audit was done or is that aggregating into stilling the results of these dozens and dozens of audits? So in the requirements for the state funding the contractor has to be read and give the city a copy of the audit without with the personal information removed and all that stuff but we get a copy of the audit so that's the key information that they pointed out was square footage, age of the home, and then the cost and the actual actions like the I guess you can go on suggested actions for the energy audit. I think it included cost savings and how much it would cost in that requirement they may have included the energy savings, but I think the bare bones was size age and things that they suggested the upgrade. So with tracking all those, we can aggregate them and kind of see, once we procure a vendor, we can kind of see how their energy audit style is and see if they meet those requirements then what else they provide because some of them have different kind of things that they offer. So once we see what kind of fields of data we get, we can kind of aggregate that and see how we want to do that. For example, if we do 90 homes and then see that 80 of them had to have some kind of air ceiling done because their older homes maybe a good idea would be to try to incentivize some kind of air sealing program, you know, education about that because a lot of people may not know that, you know, their homes drafty and they're losing cold air all the time. Thanks, that's good. And the second question will be on 3.4. A of questions. Do you know how many households who qualify? I mean, how do we know when you've actually, that's a good question. We've been trying to work with the housing group to see how many people who are qualified kind of figure out how to actually target these people and reach them. And it's been tricky because it's just tricky to come across a list of people with that apply for certain things or respond to the housing groups outreach. It's a protected class, so I can't really just go into their data and mess around with it. So I'm working through that now. I think I might be able to work something out where we do end up having access to more of that information, maybe with, I don't know, like names and addresses, well, names redacted and we can try to feed you out the number and how to send that out there. There's a lot of the data is more on what does, make someone qualify, but we have good data on what the 60, 80% AMI is, good data on the available, housing units to get people into. And that's a big focus of the housing groups, housing department. Is there any information out just like spend to date and they provide information just that's rolled up in terms of number of interventions or whatever you want to follow forward? Yeah, so we sent that out to, I think they had one or two people respond originally when we kind of did our initial outreach and then when we sent the property tax mail-in they had they had five people respond and sign up and then there's different eligibility for different programs. I think that they were able to actually address one home in the city. And we'd love to see more, but it is tricky given that a lot of the programs work best for homeowners and the homes here are very expensive and the property tax bill alone is quite a lot of money. So it's on on the other side, that likely means that it's a small amount of people that we can reach. So it's been a big effort to try to target these people and find out how we can get our foot in the door and make sure that people know about these programs. Well, that kind of gets to the other part of it, which was the CAP, what what they wrote out. What the consultant, Jordan said was leveraged the small size of the city. Because only especially for the multi family places and just knock on basically just knock on those doors and call those people thought of that we say called it property managers and building owners. And talk to them and assess what their status of their systems are and see if there's options properties there. So I get that there's mailings to the homeowners if they had, if they own property. But in terms of the lower income, the apartments, things like that, but I think that's where this was kind of targeted, maybe more. Yeah, but they envisioned. So it seems that's just knocking on, you know, you've got 15, 20 different building owners or something and property managers just having those conversations. Yeah, since we got the the CHP connection kind of happened, I don't know about the word organically, but I got an email in May that CHP was kind of going around to different jurisdictions asking to meet with people. So we met with them first, which I think in the plan is like the bottom action on that item. So then we kind of focused on how to get the CHP specific programs to people and get that out. actions are're right that those actions are in there. And I'm hoping that kind of reaching further than just maybe housing, we can, you know, I'm kind of knocking on doors within city hall trying to figure out how we can get a great list of that 15 to 20 people and kind of going knocking on doors. Because I've right, like you say, it's if we can go knock on 15 to 20 doors and talk to people and assess things, that would be. I'm not thinking the resident something in the people who run the boilers. And that's not written in here. But that is something that I'm thinking about and working. It's kind of, it's kind of addressed here, right? Like this staff is exploring additional methods of reach not eligible community members like that's That kind of encompasses that like that that part of the of the plan is not been forgotten is what I'm trying to say It was it was a short term 2025 thing. There's Yeah, that's it. Thanks Yeah, it's I will say it's just been a little trick. You had kind of assumed that we'd have a list of people to just go and do that immediately. It's been a little trick. You're down that list and then anticipated. Is it a CHP? Is that subsidized or fully covered? It's fully covered by the state. And that was, they did get a lot of money from Reggie Fundon, which has been kind of under attack recently. And the last I heard which was kind of some dated information from months ago was that despite attacks on Reggie Funding, which has been kind of undertapped recently. And they last I heard, which was kind of some dated information from months ago, was that despite that tax on Reggie, they did have funding for at least a couple more years to do their programs. But the idea is that the people that are eligible for different levels of programs don't have to pay. Okay. All right. So anything else on on three? All right. Moving right along to four. Okay. So advocate for state code enhancements. The city's annual legislative agenda for the Virginia general assembly fully endorsed the ESC's legislative program with one modification to remain neutral on single-stair dwellings. ESC's legislative program included priorities in the following areas of interest, zero carbon energy, energy efficient buildings and building policy, transportation, urban forests, solid waste and water quality. And the city's annual legislative agenda for the Virginia General Assembly included advocacy for a more energy efficient state building code and local authority to adopt a more efficient energy code than the state. That line which is there is kind of from the plan itself. And so the ESC has had the opportunity to do this annually and that will continue. I think that's it for four. Right? Okay. Any questions there? I think a lot of people were here for that. Those meetings were that legislative factor was trying to finalize. That was in November, so Lauren, you may have not seen those meetings, but no worries. I can go back. In November, look forward to that. Any questions or comments? Okay. So we're almost done with this kind of tax savvy part and then we can have, we'll get the data and probably get in the more discussions. So for strategy five, there was nothing in the short term. That was increased clean electricity, which most of the actions are about solar. Most of those are medium and long term items. So we'll jump right into six, which had to do with the plant itself and tracking it and updating the plan. So 6.2 incorporates sustainability related elements into the property assessment database. Staff has collected data on homes with rooftop solar and those that have recently installed electric water heaters and heat pumps outside of the property assessment database. And we're considering the feasibility of incorporating sustainability related elements into the property assessment database. Raffa by 26, we're going to continue and explore and incorporate those elements into the database. 6.3, SEAP update cycle and progress supports. The initial SEAP progress report delivered to the ESC on June 20, 2024. In February 2025, staff published a report on proposed SEAP metrics following input from ESC members and the community. Second, progress report delivered to the ESC on May 15, 2025, including up-to-date progress on action items and 2024 data on transportation, buildings, and electricity. So that that note is just when we do get to the data, it's 2024, and these action items, the text part, is up to date. So for FY26, prior to supports will be published annually. In the seat polls for three-year update cycles, City Council adopted the seat in November of 2023, and the update process will begin in 2026. The City expects to receive an updated greenhouse gas inventory from Metro, Pallatin, Washington Council of Governments by the end of 2025. 6.4 integrate actions into the city's comprehensive plan. So recently adopted was the Demedrafford chapter, and that included the following strategies, which was increased parks and open space, and reduced greenhouse gas emissions related to vehicle commuting patterns, which had to do with workers growing in and out, these quotes are kind of long. So I'll try to move us along here. And then in January 2025, City Council passed a resolution approving the bicycle master plan as an amendment to chapter seven of the city's comprehensive plan. And section 1.2 includes the following of that bike master plan. In comparison, the automobile travel, bicycle travel, reduces energy uses and vehicle emissions thereby reducing particular pollution and improving air quality that seep also speaks to reduce and vehicle emissions and should be referenced during decision making processes for routes implementation. So for that one, as we continue, SEAP actions and priorities will be incorporated into the comprehensive plan chapters as they are updated. Okay, that wraps up the text of the short term items. Any more questions on section 6? Or comments? Okay. Anything left on the short term? Okay. So, medium and long-term, the initiating action is not slated to begin yet. So, some of these may already have something underway. Many of them don't, but for the purpose of the report, we don't do a full table on these things. So these are the leftover items. As you saw, there were holes in the short term. And these are just directly pulled from the plan. So any questions about this page? Okay. Okay, so now we can get into part three, which is the Seap metrics tracking. So this this page is useful to know because it kind of defines how. We went through and did things for the metrics because some of them were different than others and we'll get into that. So strategies 1, 2, 3, and 5 identified in the SEAP include a target or milestone as identified on page 2. For strategy 4 specific reductions for new buildings were not modeled. For strategy 6 no targets were identified in the SEAP. For each of the targets from milestones listed in the SEAP, staff used available data to report on the community's progress toward each goal. The SEAP progress report includes a subsection for each goal. Each subsection includes the language of the goal as written on SEAP page nine, as well as a table with several metrics for tracking progress toward the goal as we're originally presented to the ESC on February 20th, 2025. And the report title is establishing data collection strategies for the community energy action plan metrics. Each table includes the following information. So this is the part to pay attention to. So we've got the metric description, which is in phone each metric. We might have the units time frames. Data, which is values produced from the given data source for a given metric. Data source, the source from which each data points gathered. And then a confidence score, which is a rate in a low, medium or high that describes the quality of the data source as it relates to the metric. So for example, data on passenger vehicles is scored high because the registration process for passenger vehicles allows for complete and detailed records. While metrics scored as medium or low confidence likely have instances of uncaptured data points. And we can get into that in just a minute. So then following each table is a graph for each metric wherever it's applicable. So as future seat progress reports are published, the drafts and those reports will include data dating back to this 2025 report, where 2023 is the first year for data collection. For example, drafts presented in the 2030 report will include data from 2023 through 2029. And there's a star here, because 2022 is used as the initial year for strategy three, goal one. Okay. So now we can go ahead and get into the date itself. I put in this note about the graphs for each metric because they kind of look not to jump ahead, but they kind of look a little. They're not the most useful graphs. They don't really talk too much of a story right now, but I'm just kind of trying to establish a baseline as we move forward and have something add on to for future years. Okay. So, get right into this. So, strategy one. Enhance access to car-free alternatives. So, the goal is 20% reduction in passenger car vehicle miles traveled by 2030. So, write this title and goal are from earlier in this report and there directly from the plan. So for this one, CEPVMT data, VMT as VHT will miles traveled, was provided by Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments 2020 greenhouse gas inventory. Similar VMT data for 2023 is scheduled for publishing in 2025. At which point it can be included in a CEP progress report. There's currently no available data for VMT and FULL search, meaning this goal is not measurable annually at this time due to lack of data. Okay. Any questions on that? Okay. One quick one, I can't remember if the registration does that require you to log miles? No. Okay. One last one to the cog data that includes all pass through traffic as well, right? Yeah, the cog data is interesting because as I understand it, they kind of treat full search as a subsection of Fairfax County. So it's not a great source of data and in the plan, I believe it's 6.1 is revised transportation emissions calculations. So it addresses that that's not a great data source. It's kind of what we have for now. I've been exploring other options. So we'll work on that one. But we should for what it's worth. We should get the data this year for 2023, which might be interesting for folks might be. Now, you know, too low quality. But anyway, getting into strategy two, accelerate shift to EVs. So the goal, once know, to low quality. But anyway, getting into strategy two, accelerate shift to EVs. So the goal, once again, is passenger vehicle purchases are 50% zero emission vehicles by 2030 and 100% zero emission vehicles by 2035. So for all of these data points, I got this data from the commissioner of the revenue of the revenues office. And they have a couple different spreadsheets when I used new registrations by year. And then there's another one for current registrations. And those two together gave me the data. And both those are high because it's a complete record. You got a car, you've got a register it and I can get the information to produce this report. So we'll kind of just go through this. So A is the number of pass and revivables newly registered in full search city residents in the prior calendar that are EVs. So for so in 2024 we had 89 EVs registered and 35 plug-in So EVs is electric VHTOLs, pH EVs is plug-in hybrid electric VHTOL. I know the plant didn't say much about pH EVs, but the data came out at the same time, so I figured I would include it just a painful picture. So this number as a percentage, 6.42% EVs, so right of new vehicles registered, 6.42% were EVs. And if you add together EVs and PH EVs, you get 8.95%. So since 2023, the cumulative number of vehicles registered by fall by fall search city are electric vehicles 178 EVs and 70 PhDVs. So the cumulative percentage of all vehicles registered by fall search city residents and still registered as of the reporting here that are EVs. So that's 5.41% and 7.54% for EVs and PhDVs together. And lastly, the total number of electric vehicles registered in the City of Follest Church today for the reporting year, like us, in 2024, 297 EVs and 184 PHEVs. So the stock of cars in the road today, it's 2.66% EVs and 4.31% PHEVs. All this data is labeled A through F and it has a corresponding graph with the same title and a graph. Like I said, these graphs don't sell a great story now, but as we, if you can imagine five more years onto this, we can start to see a trend. So I'll stop there for questions and comments. We have fewer registered in 2024 to 23. So just slightly fewer. Is that the best thing? That graph. Yeah, let's get there. It looked like fewer EVs and also fewer cars overall. Wasn't a big year for moving to do cars in the city. Yeah, and I know John, you would email me with a question about the about this number for C. Yeah. So, do you want to elaborate a little more? Well, I love that they were just doubled. Like you took this 89 and the 35 from above, but if you go to the graph, it suggests it's a different number. Okay. So, I give graph A on page 13. Looks like it's 92. When you're in 89 different year. Okay, so for this one. The percentages weren't quite. Okay. So for a. The this is just strictly from the 2023 move-ins sheet, so that's new electric vehicles in the city. This one is from 2024. There's a little bit of a difference. You mentioned the numbers. Maybe should have been 181 and 72. For C and D, I subtracted people that moved out in the time difference. So if you do take it as the number of city residents since the beginning of 2023, and you add on 2024 in total, you get that number of 181 and 72, but we had two PHEVs move out and three of these guys move out so that is where that number came from. Okay, thanks. Okay, does that make sense? Because I know there's a lot of metrics and graphs and I just want to make sure we're on the same page. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, great. Thanks. Anyone else? Okay. Yeah, this one worked out well. And, you know, I know I see a lot of EVs on the street. And I'm hoping this number just continues to rise. And we can get towards that metric. The new buildings having more residents like Winxmodeir, Cubs Online and other places. Just seeing who's moving in and what their vehicles are. Yeah, it'll be nice to see. And you know, a lot of those buildings might have EV charging capabilities, which is nice. And the other nice thing about that dense development is that you get people walking and biking, which is great. OK, so moving on to strategy three. So global one by 2030, 13% reduction in building energy use. So annually, we do get data on the city's energy use from Dominion. So although it's not listed as one of the goals in the plan, I thought I would just share that with you since we're getting it anyway. It might be of interest. So for 2024, the city used about 146 million kilowatt hours of energy. And then it's interesting to note that the annual change over the prior calendar year right is about 8 million kilowatt hours up from 2023, which is about a 5.7% increase. And then kind of the balance that out just the population is growing. I've also taken this as a per capita number, but it's still about a 5% increase, which this data for these comparisons of percentage increases aren't great because that doesn't account for people that aren't using gas. So, Washington Gas does not provide annual usage data, but your restriction making gas usage unmeasurable at this time. So, if someone were to electrify, they'd be using less gas, but it would show up as an electricity increase. And right, this is the one that's 20-23 data actually, not 20-24. So this one may be less impactful, but we get the data, so thought I'd share. And Dominion doesn't give you presidential versus commercial, I think you'd be that they just say citywide. And it just says citywide, that's correct. If more people use EVs too, then there would be an expectation that that usage would increase as well, just because they're responsible for charging their own vehicle and that's a lot more energy. Absolutely. And same applies for like heat pumps and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. People use air conditioning and it's getting slightly hotter each year. Yeah. Then that's another. That's it. Yeah. Okay. So moving right along to the next goals. So strategy three goal two installation of 200 to 350 air source heat pumps annually. So we've got the heat pumps and the water heaters. These are both going to be interesting categories to go through because I gave them a low confidence score and a medium-confined score, whereas the other data is mostly high-confident scores. So this is kind of just the raw data that we got. We did the exercise of going through the available data that we have and I'm sharing the results we got. So the annual entries over the prior calendar year and the number of properties with AirSource heat pumps are kind of who electrified their furnace. We got one in 2024. And then the number below that is the annual number of people that had gas fuel heating systems installed. So like a one-for-one swap out of an old furnace. And that number came out to be 19. So for both of these, we have a permits database that I can get into and look these up. But for, for metric A, I'd be able to medium conference score because the data on properties and installing air source heat pumps may be captured via electrical gas or mechanical permits. If you think about someone doing that process, they might have to cap their gas line that goes to their furnace, which might incline them to get a permit. They might have to up their electricity, their panel, which might incline them to get a permit. And the mechanical permits is for things like your HVAC in your house, so that might do no big change like that. It gives it a better shot of getting permitted and therefore, to have an some chance to track it. I give a low confidence score to kind of the one for one swaps. Because it's significantly lower given the quantity of homes in the city and the typical lifespan of the technology. So if you have a gas furnace that last 15, 20, even 30 years and you you've got 2400 single-family homes in the city. I think you'd expect this number to be at least 100 and somewhere around there. And the right, the plan does call for 200 to 350 to be swapped annually. So this number is just significantly lower than expected. So I think what's happening is it's just a lot of missed data points with people not getting a one for one swap. Does that further the building safety division at all? I think I'd have to really talk to them, I think. You know, reinforcement though too. Yeah, it's interesting because it's it's a. It's something that that should be permitted. It's kind of like when you get a new. When you do anything with your tasks, you really should get it permitted. But I can't really speak for for them. Well, they must have known about this. So this is kind of obviously them for years that they're not getting anywhere near the percentage they should. Yeah, I you know they kind of get the permits as they come in. I know they make reports and everything, but addressing the to kind, I don't think is I haven't had enough of a conversation with them to kind of get something I can report out. I think it's to be enforcement or community education, because I do think that there's probably a lot of homeowners that like that he can trust the contractors, that they're going to do the right thing, but oftentimes contractors will do the work without holding cards. Okay, and then it's kind of the same story for the water heaters. So in 2024 we actually saw captured zero. We did get one in 2023 and then 13 replacements was captured. Which right that number should ideally be hired. It's kind of the same story. But the data does kind of at least show that the goal of electrifying 150 to 200 water heaters annually is not getting the traction required to really get that moving. So, you know, it'll be good to think about things that we can do to get people to electrify in their homes. I know. Yeah, I mean, why do we think that is? That there's not a take it. Yeah. Like, is it an education piece or is it costs or is it just fact that people are like, oh, well, I have gas. So I'm just going to stick to gas. I guess it's probably it's lack of planning so when it breaks it breaks and you replace it that week that's a couple of days when it was available whatever's in the shop. So if you put in your own water heater, you have to get a permit. It's probably, I get my guests. That's what it says. If you want to, that's a traditional conventional electric water heater that you you're running a gas water heater. You're built, but you're putting a heat pump water heater to shift heat cheaper than all other options. But those are very fairly new to the water heater. People are, it can be hard to find a contractor, because you can work to do that. But if you do all forms of forms of water heater require permits? As fast as fast. Because I'm thinking it's a 120 volt heat pump water heater. You may not need to pull a circuit and there's no electric permit required. So I don't know outside of that, you can still be required to give permits for plumbing or any. So you wouldn't need a a permit for that if you're not making changes to the electrical capabilities of your home You could just flood one item in yeah Our most of the heat pump water heaters that are coming in these days out there 120 or Most people still go for hybrids, but you can they're starting to become more prevalent in terms of promotion. Traditionally, there's more for southern regions, but I think it's the time to stay in So people don't not be commonly selected because it's more limited. It's less powerful. Okay. So yeah, that's just a job for sure. Anything else on these two? On the water here's and heat pumps. Okay, then we can move on and we're almost done with the report. So for strategy three, improve efficiency and electrifier building. So goal four, 60 homes from pleat hole home, energy efficiency improvements annually. So the proposed metric is the number of single family homes, including sound homes for which a city facilitated energy audit program was conducted by a certified energy efficiency auditor in the prior calendar year. So that goes back to the earlier mention of a residential energy audit program that we're trying to work on in the city. Right because the people doing energy efficiency upgrades, it's all sorts of different things, a lot of which doesn't require permits. There's not really a great way to capture that. But for this one, a relevance statistic would be how many people are participating in that program. So that's something that we can report out on. And just the note there is that that residential energy auto program is plans to begin implementation later in 2025. And that funding for residential energy auto program as proposed would end in April 2027. Okay. So anything else on the buildings? Okay. Moving right along to increase clean electricity supply. So the goal is by 2035% of single family homes will have onsite solar increasing to 20% by 2050. So the way that's worded on page nine of the sheep is the little trikeys. And on page 45, they note that that goal really means 150 residential buildings and 50 non residential buildings. Because we already had a decent amount of people with solar on their homes prior to the plan being written. So this one has several, several data metrics. I'll start with the source. I can review the permits for these. They're well permitted. So I can go through the database and kind of see how many we're getting and get some information on them. And then for the number of single family homes and town homes, I can get that data from the real estate assessor. So that's that's high quality data so we don't have any issue here. So the percentage of single-family homes, including town homes with rooftop solar systems installed of all single-family homes in the city starting in 2023, is a little less than 1%. The number of single-family homes with rooftop solar systems installed starting in 2023 is 27. The cumulative percentage of single family homes with rooftop solar installed of all single family homes is about 3.8% and that's right if you include homes before 2023 and the year 2023 is relevant here because that's when the plan was passed. So that the total cumulative number of homes with solar systems installed is 110. The number of single family homes with rooftop solar systems installed in the prior calendar year. So this was 2024. We had five. So the kilowatt capacity of those solar systems installed in the prior calendar year was 44.14 kilowatts. So the cumulative kilowatt capacity of single family home rooftop solar systems installed starting in 2023 was a little over 280 kilowatts. And then for commercial, commercial buildings with rooftop solar systems installed in 2024 is zero. That means they had zero kilowatt capacity, but going back to 2023 we've had about 27.52 kilowatts installed on our commercial buildings. So these graphs are here, and that is the end of the report. Any questions on the solar piece? Guess I'll raise again, just so it doesn't look too rosy. He saw there the five units, five houses had it averaging about nine kilowatts each and based on what solarized was doing the leak program last year, here in the Virginia. It's about 10 kilowatts as their average system. When they say, when ICF did this report plan and said 150 buildings, they were assuming more like 23, 24 kilowatts per building. Because they've been doing on how much green house cash it could reduce. So it's really, it's not 150 additional, it's more like 350 at 10 kilowatts. So it's a lot more of this. FYI. Okay. Yeah, thank you. The plan is a little tricky with the way it's written sometimes, you know, with the 5% being on the first page and then 150 being on the on the back end there on the page 45. So it is I do appreciate, you know, people going dig into the data and seeing and seeing what we need to do. But, right, the moral of the story is whether it's 150 or 350. It'd be great to have more than five people do it right in a year. I think 22 was a much better number, you know, for the people that did it in 2023. I think we can do like to incentivize Adam and like the commercial buildings because they have a lot of dead space up on their roofs. I know like for my house I can't put solar on it because I have these massive beach trees that cover most of my house. So putting solar on is not great. But those buildings don't have that kind of issue. Yeah, It's tricky to give. We can't really legally directly give money to private commercial or residential folks. So maybe like a grant program or some kind of incentive program with, you know, green commercial commercial businesses It could be possible That's that's definitely something worth exploring because right as you saw last year We didn't get any commercial buildings to do it and they have some interesting issues because sometimes you'll have You know an owner and then a person on a lease and if the person on the lease is paying the energy bill Then the person that owns building might not care for solar. So it's a trickier situation that can require some good ideas. I mean, I used to live in apartment complex here in the city and one of the things that always annoyed me was when they had a power outage and solar would have solved that problem if it was a reserve bank. Sure. So it's been a while since I have looked at this program, but a good example for incentivizing businesses for Collins, Colorado. They had something called a climate wise program. And so one thing that that program really kind of emphasizes right is that whether it's individual or a business, you know we're driven by financial incentives of course but there's also like the respect leadership leadership part of that. So this was all a voluntary program in Fort Collins and it was actually very successful. So a business basically was kind of recognized by the community, and there's different like a reward structure, you know, so you could reach the top here, and they would actually have a big, you know, like ceremony each year where businesses could, you know, come and be recognized by the community. It's kind of fun. What is there's a brewery in Fort Collins that really was put a bunch of, you know, experience and advice by this program. They're very fun. It would bring, you know, their hubby are just, you know, kind of fun things we can bring to the community. And that could be true within a visual level as well, right? People get respect or leadership or acknowledgement of community if they're by the electric car if they're biking, you know, they can log their miles, you know, so yeah, just some other ideas. Do you wish to know if climate wise is a municipally operated program or I believe it's municipal. Mm-. Thank you. Thank you. And that kind of wraps up. Everything there is to go through on this report. Thank you all for your attention and questions and comments. Anymore before we move on to our next item? Okay. So going back to the agenda. The last thing on it is the adopted the adopted budget, which was adopted. Earlier this week by city council. And I was thinking we could just kind of go through and talk about a couple environmental highlights. We already kind of touched on the Aurora House getting funding which I know this group had had written in support of so that's that's a positive note and there was another there, another cut recently to no longer purchase renewable energy credits. So that was about $13,000 saved. And then those were notable kind of changes. Any questions comments on this? I guess this is more of a comment, but just thoughts and consideration for like while we're cutting the renewable energy credits, is there an opportunity for us to consider our sourcing for materials when it comes to building sidewalks and other things that the city is responsible for maintaining? Because there are like zero carbon cements and other companies that strive to make it market competitive. Do we do any kind of research or effort as a city to push those types of programs if they are cost comparative? It's a great idea. Because I think a lot of our greenhouse gases, while we also have our cars and things like that that It also comes down to the development and the resource scene that we have for day-to-day maintenance Wouldn't show up in the greenhouse gas and all right, but yeah, nonetheless. I think you're yeah your point is valid Yeah, that's a great point Nothing formally that I've heard of for consideration of that I know that those projects it would have to be tossed competitive right? Absolutely. Because those bigger expensive projects kind of come in for bid and yeah, you know kind of got to go with the best deal there. But that is a good note. Can I chime in here team? Yeah. I don't even have our local concrete producer, team? Yeah. I don't think so. Um, our local concrete producer, I believe it's Holcomb does have a blend of low carbon concrete. And if the city were to put out a bid, all they would have to do is add to that bid to any Request for a proposal saying the concrete must be a low carbon or have, you know, X chemistry or, you know, just reduced carbon chemistry and then that would come back through the bid process. Excellent. Yeah. Okay. So I think the city is leaning more towards concrete now too for sidewalks right and getting rid of brick. That's right. So it's going to be something that we're going to be facing as we move forward. Backed on Monday. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, that would be vocal. I don't know who their typical concrete suppliers, but that's a local company. I know of that has that carbon low carbon concrete. I think on this climate policy group is looking to some as well. Making official research that they've done. Yeah. Okay. Great. Okay. Anything else on those two notes? Those were the changes recently. Okay. And then the other thing that I can mention is just kind of going through things that kind of have been funded the entire time that have some kind of environmental interest. So in the budget, you know, there's kind of like deliverables and there's there's different things that each department is going to do each year. There's also the city councils, strategic priorities that have different tasks and objectives in them that could update it quarterly. So I've reported on this before when we did the annual report kind of the the outlook for the year. So what not much has really changed there, at least from from my perspective, right, so we're still going to be publishing videos to the one-stop shop. We're still expecting to do the residential energy audit program trying to keep moving forward on the commercial energy audit program, keeping up with the one stop shop. Let's see. We lost Deborah. Thank you. Okay. And then the other major items that I've had, and I've mentioned before, are kind of the, the micromobility is cute up for this summer. Starting with amending the city ordinance for things like golf, not golf arts scooters and ebikes the city kind of did an attempt at that ordinance a few years ago, but it didn't really go in the direction that enticed a lot of people to companies to come and start doing the micromobility thing here. So we're going to take a look at that and see if we can try to amend it. So we've also got the commercial energy, commercial and residential energy audit programs. And then right the other thing has been on the list is the EV personal property tax incentives kind of taking a look at that. Some right in the first steps would be research and kind of seeing if it's feasible it's feasible, you know given the Current state of everything Yeah, it's a little tricky to say that we'll be able to change things as far as taxes go, but it's at least Something that we can look into and kind of do research for And then the the other thing is Golf carts just like low speed electric vehicles is something that's been kind of talked about for a while. So thinking about ways that we can promote and incentivize that, that will take place kind of after we look into the micro mobility ordinance. And then I've been meaning to, at some point, consistently in a lot of these documents as mentioned of a green building paper or some kind of policy or something like that. So taking an exploratory look at that and seeing what we can do, kind of presenting on what other people have might be able to start and kind of looking around and seeing that. Because we've got a whole bunch of different kind of items that weigh into how buildings are built here and it end up getting the lead certification and having electric field holes and they're often so ready. But kind of having that in a specific green building policy or some kind of organized document might be of interest to people. So that's something that we can look into as well. But for the immediate future, we're expecting the audit programs and micromobility. So with that said, that's kind of what I've got planned for the upcoming fiscal year. Happy answering questions. Debbie, welcome. We just did the. What we did the progress report. We had a couple of discussions. And then we just got into talking about the adopted budget talked about the cutting the solar racks and the funding the rural house and then I just mentioned the things that are kind of listed for my position and the environmental planning. Division, I guess you could call it. So anyway, I'll open it now to discussion and and questions and comments. If anyone has anything, anything they'd like to ask or sign. Do you have other questions on the budget? Give back to you. It was Mary Ellen Henderson, the next potential? I know there's there I'm a group for at least a couple of few years or something. Is that the next solar target? I was on the list, but I've lost track. You remember I lost track of what this room structure was. That was limiting factor. 49 for a new roof on M.E.H. or something like that. And then solar at that point, some super in the CIP that's been kind of put off till then, I think. Although it would be a PPA that they're talking about. So really, obviously, I don't think it but a dollar amount in the CIP, it's just more. And that's the between now and that. That's all. Please, I'll get you a cup of Raising. That's the next. Yeah. They sell. Well, they always. Always the buildings are to make tree like they're not. Community. Community center was in the CIP for another two years, right? There was 20 20 FY 28. I think the CIP had the community center is there as for solar. First for solar. That's all there were two projects. There were two government side buildings. I think that was the other one. Okay. It was bigger. It's in a warehouse, but I. I know we looked at it. I think when we were doing all of the solar kind of discovery sections and I think that one kind of stored poorly for being suitable for solar because of kind of the roof structure. If we want I can pull up the most recent CIP and we can look at it. W.. Yeah, this means no. There's any other questions people have. First. If there's another question or comment I can pull this up and we can talk about that otherwise. We can take a look at this because I know so where it's been a ventrist for a long time. Thank you. Glad you guys were still here. In the last couple of minutes. This is not directly our preview, but I was looking at the fire station. It was a roof replacement. Yeah. Just making sure that whatever they replace the roof with at least doesn't make it not a candidate ever for solar Well, actually it's got the seemed Metal roof, yeah, which should be a good candidate But it's actually in our wings Do capitol and we do operating costs so there was no real the mo MOU for that was never worked out for us to make an investment. I was a little surprised about the replacement because normally I thought those metal roofs last last 50 years. Yeah. That's a way to get in there. 50 years. Yes, that's in the capital. Oh, it's in there. Yeah. Okay. So the latest CIP says that community center roof structure to be evaluated and FY26. So the first step was doing kind of this analysis with theoretically how much solar capacity could have. So now we're going to get the structure so it does look like that. I knew it's as the new work on. We're creating that to make sure it happens in up to 26. So I believe it's facilities. So department lead public works. So it would be someone in public works. I know still looking to hire a new PM to work on government energy action plan projects. So I think it would be in public works kind of with that position and I tribute a question for Lionel to see how specifically that's going to play out. Is that evaluation of our budget? Design planning is listed there. That is a good question. We have a matter of a new director of public works. I'm in a brain stuff. Stop brain. Stop brain. And she came from DC. She's been in DC. She has a planning background. Actually planning and transportation background. You know, a nice segue into the work closely with our planning department. And I would assume that the the structure evaluation would likely include a structural engineer don in there and making some kind of official evaluation of it and giving us some kind of report. So I'd assume that requires some funding. But that's a good question for public works. So for those that are not eligible for solar, have we considered rooftop gardens for those? Obviously that wouldn't be to power, but just additional green space and soil, you know, carbon sequestation. Not necessarily. Once that aren't eligible have old roofs that are structurally not able to handle the weight of the solar panels. So I think the idea is that doing something like a green roof up there would be equivalent if not maybe heavier, which could be a problem for them. And then the focus has kind of been on solar. So if they were to eventually, if the ones that have a, have a poor structure or do for a roof replacement soon, the idea is if they were to get a roof replacement, that it would be solar. It's kind of been the focus, at least as the government operations energy action plan is written. But, other question is that if they're not eligible based on tree canopy versus the weight of the structure of the roof, could there be a shade garden type of roof garden? I think that's an interesting point to think about for them. And the other consideration is that some of them are smaller buildings with these slope roofs so like the schools with the flat roofs like that's a great candidate but we do have some of the slope roofs where solar is really the best option if we can do something with the roof. Some of the projects the city did negotiate to get a green roof like the flower building as a green roof and And where the panera is someone. The other challenge is some of the research slate, right? What's up? Yeah, we do have some slate roofs. The library has slate. So. Is it a business setting of slate? Yes. And there's a green roof on City Hall back here. Yes. Sitting right next to it. Who made the exact facilities? 30. Is that a set? Torrible. Yeah, now it's on the space. I've been out to see it. It's an out.. It's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. I can't remember. It's a bad thing. I can't remember. It's a bad thing. I can't remember. It's a bad thing. I can't remember. I can't remember. It's a bad thing. I can't remember. do it before it gets dark next time we can just We can win a couple minutes of your time to see if we can do that. Yeah, that's not real big. It would take two minutes of your time. We can totally a couple minutes of your time to see if it's not real big. It would take two minutes of your time. Yeah. We could totally do that. Start the meeting with that, walk around. Just a garage, right? Yeah, that is the police garage. That's right. Police garage. Yeah. It is one that, you know, the green wall on the side is hopefully coming in in strong this year it's kind of in the shade so it's a little tricky But no, I know we've been doing like a number of theme weeks whether it's restaurant week or the fitness week Is there something that we want to do like environmental sustainability week? Through social media. I know we don't have the same platform as some of those other organizations but is that something we would want to consider for like city edification in terms of opportunities of different programs that we have or just how can you be smarter for your own home, whether you live in apartment or you live in a stand-alone home? Yeah, I mean, those two campaigns were specific to local businesses, other than economic development office, but our communications office has done a couple of focus things and I'll know why you couldn't turn it into a little video that's also put on our social media. When they do the economic through the economic development, it's because there are businesses, you know, each fact is different. But like what kind of stuff did you do like promotion for things of that nature? Well, we did restaurant meet. We had 35 restaurants were participated, and there was. Kick it off with restaurant. Yeah, but then we did the fitness businesses, and we got to that. But I mean, that's a good idea. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's not necessarily that we have to get community engagement as like, You'd have to come here and tour the green space on the roof, but just more of understanding you know. Yeah, what you can do. I should care. Yeah, I mean, I think today was a tear yesterday. It was like to work day. Yeah, so we can miss this week. Every day is, yes, but today, today legitimately is. Yeah, but you might like should never be a day be by today. glad you celebrated let's try to get next week yeah and the um you know the high school kids did their own event this past week this past week oh it's not that I don't know anything I didn't know that was how it was like for a birthday like just school day was um on the last week I Yeah, there's an official bike to school day and there was bike buses and so. But I would think, you know, I know about that. So I don't, I mean, I only read it in the morning announcements, which I don't think they did a very good job of like promoting it in the school because I don't think anyone really knew about it. So there's definitely an opportunity there, right? Yeah a partner and if you want to know who's good at social media, look at the high schoolers. Yeah. You know, and if we could provide a bigger forum to the community through our you know, through the focus or through the development or you know, through our social media channels and uh, if you win, win, you get more people to come out to the program. The kids were really hard at putting together. They were going to go ahead ahead of time and they kept community. I think you just found yourself your first project as an agency. I gotta learn how to use social media. I mean you can kind of write the ideas and ask about else. Do the social media. Go down there. Yeah. That's a great idea. Yeah. All right. Any other comments on budget questions? If there's nothing else. Any other final comments? One last, that's our next meeting is June 20th. That's a good thing to note. So the next meeting is a reschedule because of June 10th, okay, being a holiday on the 19th, which is the third Thursday. So we will be moving to the second Thursday, which is June 12th. So, which is after the graduation date at the high school, Wendy will no longer be a student rep and you're welcome to come. But you've been rep for three to own cheers. Okay, and you've been very active at the high school with some of the environmental programs and earth day things there. So thank you for your service here and hopefully you'll we haven't exhausted you from all this policy stuff and you'll continue in college and interested in there. So congratulations. Thank you. And another note about that meeting is that we will be in the Laurel room downstairs. So, right, that's you walk in, turn left or down the stairs. The Laurel room is the big meeting room in there. You'll see me. I'll be in there. And it will be a little bit tighter, but I have counted out the chairs and it should fit us all. The BZA will be meeting in here and they require the space because there are The term is quasi-judicial board so they kind of need to use the, the area here. So we will be in plural on the 12th and I'll send out, um, or mine is about that. And if you use the city calendar to, any extent that's, it's on the city calendar so that should be up to date. And I hope to see everyone there. Okay, I'll ask all for anything else. The only thing I was going to add is that the ESC has been officially invited to the Council meeting on Monday night. One of the things about a street scape. We're talking about we're doing our streetscape standards and the origin of that request to redo them is based upon safety factors and expense factors of having all of our sidewalks because we've had problems with how they unevenly over time are raised and they create some and the ADA problems, and safety problems with bikers, winter, slippery, but there's been a history of people wanting to have brick sidewalks because it defines the city of Boston, separately in distinct from Fairfax County and Arlington, when you come in you pay attention and see all that, but there are many of us who are proponents of doing like stamped brick or like in other ways, you can still stamp concrete to look like brick. That could be safer, less expensive to maintain and still have some to look. We haven't quite found the right product yet though. Like, that's what happened at the- Just close. Yeah, so something I brought up a little bit before you came in was just the idea of being cognizant of our sourcing for concrete as well because you can do lower admittance or emissions concrete and I'm not sure of gentleman's name on the Yes, Matt had said there's a local company called Holcomb that Could potentially help with that because they will if you put it in the contract they will go to the correct Like chemistry for yes Obviously understanding it would need to be competitive pricing Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, we get the stamps. The concrete that was used on the cross on the W90 trail is terrible. Yeah, we're still looking into what the right. And We know who that was. And a lot of the, well, a lot of the sidewalks that they smooth were to put in new ones at Crumbly 2. You mean a coffee? Yeah, on this sidewalk, yeah, around our neighborhood. It's like, oh, they're already crumbling. Yeah. And they only put them in a couple of years ago. Well, you said low bit. Yeah. We don't always just use the low bitter but it feels kind of like we might have. It's kind of time. It's such a time. It's hard. Lots of past pressures, but that's where you also write your contract that have some kind of service level agreement. Right, I know that our on the 19th coming Monday and the 19th. Okay, so also in that. I just knew that people are welcome. You're always welcome. You're always welcome to public comment and feedback either through me directly through the clerk in person welcome all the expertise that may be bring that certainly don't have sitting in here just like being a council relies so much on they ask for their expertise from experience in and Now it's like, what is your copy? But you don't have to add that meaning also either. You can listen to it online or you can, if you have ideas or thoughts, you can work hard. Absolutely. Okay. Anything else? We're done. Okay, thank you. We're done. Thanks for your sharing time, Sarah. The problem. We can go out in a journey. Just meeting of the ESC. Thank you all for coming and sitting through. I know there's a lot of talking from me, but we made it through and progress.