of being flexible as we go forward with certain developments. And if certain developments can't propose and justify that they are actually paying their fair share at a reduced rate, that would be great. And the second part of it that I think is critically important is to be looking into alternative sources or all of the sources of support funding for these development projects, for all of these infrastructure projects. I think that that's critical. And so hopefully we can move forward with that in mind. Thank you very much for considering my comments. Thank you. Those are last speaker. Okay. Thank you. We do have two more items, I think, for presentations. I don't know if we have one last comment before we move on. And I don't know if we're going to have to vote on this item. So yeah, so if we can please go ahead and do our last comments and start wrapping this up. That would be great. Thank you. Thank you Madam Mayor. I want to thank staff as well as the consultants. Well, I am the developer community actually for what I believe about 46, 47 pages of letters that we received from the developers with questions, concerns, you know, suggested changes, many of which you've taken into account, incorporated, moved these numbers in one way in various different directions. You know, nexus studies are mandatory and needed and they're an art, really. I mean, we, it's hard to determine where certain numbers truly are. And I think that what our staff has done and the consultant is reviewed from both literature as well as from kind of empirical fact, where these numbers are today given the economy, given various development typologies, I could quibble with some of those numbers. I You know moved just this evening just this afternoon. I played around with a couple of your performers and by tweaking a construction cost a tad bit and by moving a cap rate another way These things pencil right they weren't significant changes that needed to occur, and you have many variables. So I, again, thank you all for, for, one listening to developers. I was glad to hear, you know, Jeff, I think that was a, a veiled, okay? I kind of feel okay with this, with this study. It's mandated, but not only is it mandated, I think it's important for us to have these numbers out for developers, so when they engage in the development process with the city, and they try to make a project pencil, they understand what they have to pay to play. I think the numbers compared to our neighbors are more or less in the middle, maybe one that is probably on the higher end. But that probably speaks to the fact that that development is all happening within the RBD. And the RBD indeed has a significant amount of infrastructure work and other work that has to get covered. And I think Mr. Erick's Edison said that was actually on the larger type development of the more intense development that showed that indeed it was in a hall. And I actually was able to make that one pencil, you know, playing with the poor forma, but getting a little liberal. But again, the construction cost just out of this world at this point, how we bring them down, let's see. So I think, given the comments that were made by the Council in November, these letters, your response to those letters, your integration of that information, new information into these numbers. And they have changed since then. Do reflect valid legitimate nexus study that we can depend on to apply these fees and stay well within the letter of the law. Just a couple of questions here. We have the feasibility analysis talks about an adjusted non-residential lease rates between $57,000 to $6 a square foot. That is for a commercial. But what were those rates previously? Did we move those down some in this analysis? Okay. Pardon me. Yeah, we did adjust my, I think it was about 50 cents. Okay. I'd have to go back and look. It wasn't big. Right. Small amount. Okay. And it's, and again, about 50 cents. It's about 50 cents. Okay. Thank you. You know, again, I don't think we should be creating this next study and I should say, using numbers at a bottom of the market, right? I think we should be looking at numbers that are realistic and you know, aren't, I think actually we had that problem when we first did the first specific land where indeed we were inter recession and you know we use numbers that I think that we're you know specific to that that very very point in time and I think you've kind of hit a sweet spot in terms of trying to figure out what are the least rates cap rates that we should be using. Question related to residential impact fees. Let me just wait a second. Oh, yeah, no, actually this is the question that, I believe one of my colleagues brought up around the 1000 square foot ADU issue. What is the average size of ADUs that we see being built in East Palo Alto right now? I mean, have we had any that go beyond the 750 square feet? I'm making use of it. It's quite a direct, data back to July to about 24 and 2. The way that 34 ADUs, I can show'm already beat that 34 building permits issued since July 2022 8 Eight of those building permits were 80 use 750 square feet and above. The range of 80 use is very quite a bit. I mean, it can be simple as garage confersions of just 200 square feet. The largest 80 was 1000 square feet.. We didn't have anything above 1000. So I think the ones that were over 750 were more like in the, no, maybe 800 range or along that line. So obviously based on square footage the fee would be much lower than thousand square foot ADU. Yeah. I mean, potentially a thousand square foot ADU could actually be a three bedroom ADU. I mean, you could fit a three bedroom. It'll tough me. I mean, you have to do some interesting architect work. But you could probably fit a three bedroom. Maybe there'd be, you know, 10 by 11, you know, 11 by 11 bedrooms, but you could fit it into that. So that's a very large ADU when I think of it. Yeah, so the suggestion you have here is that we would only apply the fee to anything over the 750 square feet. Right. That's the staff suggestion. We based it on the actual full size of the, you see what the table shows. That an 80 U of 1000 square feet is using that as the maximum size. And the most dramatic is, you know, the curve fee is about 15,000. The proposal is 32,000, you know, 4,000. I think it may make whether you want to encourage ADUs or not, you know, for family units. I mean, 32,000 is a pretty large fee for a... I kind of like that, compromise in a way, because we are treating the 750 square foot, build out equally all the way across the board, and then anything above we've charged. So, and that partially helps incentivize ADUs which I'm not sure that they're all affordable, but it does seem, research and analysis does seem to show that those ADUs are renting for slightly less than market rate. And some significantly less. But I mean, I'd be willing to contemplate that change. I don't know where my other council members are. But again, the impact fee would cover anything over 750 square feet. That's correct. Yeah. Okay. And it might even, because we have relatively small lots actually, that might be a distance center for someone to build a larger ADU next to somebody's home, because 750 square feet would be the number, the magic number for folks. And then the city manager wouldn't have a two story ADU looming over is, yeah. I was asking somebody wants to save $7,000 or $8,000. Or I might, no backs, I have a two story looming over my house anyway. And looking at the square footage, it seems like there is somewhat of a pattern on a strong pattern of people building ADU's up to close to that 750. And then I have a question about the plan public facilities almost done here on these questions. The plan public facilities, looking at the total cost and these are total construction costs or these are total costs including soft costs. Is this what we're, we're these, that this is page 32 of your study, but you know, the total is for the new PlayStation, corporate or a city hall. Yeah, well, these are the costs that are programmed in the CIP. Okay. I believe they do include soft costs as the total project cost, but I would defer to a public works for clarification on that. Yeah, I mean, it's in the CIP. I think on the library, we'll hear that it's probably a little low, but this is all a moving target. So it's at point in time. Okay. Through the chair, most of the construction estimates for facilities don't include soft costs. Like with finance. Do not. Do not. Do not. It's a construction cost. Yeah. So just so I understand though, that would be a legitimate cost to include in terms of your development cost for public facilities or is it, or only the hard costs aligned? No, you could certainly include soft costs. We just aligned with the CIBE because that's the problem. Sure, no, no, I, right. It's a document. It's objective. Yeah, but soft costs are illegitimate facility costs that you could fund with impact fees. Okay, all right. Thanks. Well, developers, this point we're not including those. We can always adjust later. So I think that's it again. I was glad to hear Jeff make his point. I know there were other developers on the line here and it seemed like then Chinedin. So I think we are hopefully, I know, I think we hit that sweet spot here. And I'd be willing to make a motion, but someone else may want to. So I wanted to say thank you, Mr. Hansen. Thank you, Mr. Addison and Mr. Villarreal for giving up some of your evening with us tonight and for that report. With that, Mr. Lee, should we go ahead and have a motion and vote on it, or is it just a informational? Sure, I think there is an opportunity for motion. I would just to reiterate that motion should include the adoption of the next study as amended by the Arata that was mentioned earlier. So that's included in that. And I also want to just to mention just for everyone's out there. If the council approved the fee resolution tonight, the new fees become effective 60 days later per state law. So the effective date would be May 5th, 2025. And one of, I also mentioned one of the after the fees are adopted. They will be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able a motion to adopt the recommendation that was given to us with the amendment that our city attorney mentioned earlier. I don't know if anybody would like to make a motion. So I'll make the motion that we adopt the next study update and the updated park and trail public facilities transportation storm drain and water capacity development impact fees. But we don't have to close it. We don't have to close the hearing if that's what we're fine. Yeah, that's already been closed. I'll second the motion. So I'm sorry, I just wanted to though include. So we don't. These possible fee adjustments. So it sounds like SB 3 not 3 9 37 we have to include right. Okay, so that's right. So that's not in the resolution right now. It is in the resolution. Okay. And then the accessory dwelling unit piece is not in the resolution right now. So that that's it. Reduced the fees only on okay. Got so the transit priority area pieces too because that's mandated. Yeah. Oh, sure. The retail fee reduction or the retail use reduction for the transportation impact fees also included in the fee resolution. Okay. And then I just want to make sure this special financing district, which we talked about. Yeah. That is's not, that's a recommendation to study in the future. We talked about that back in November. Right. And I think that's going to be coming back to us. Yeah. Okay. So then, am I missing? Oh, yes. And including, of course, the erata that was presented to us by consultants. Thank you. do, um, is that we're not missing that we just maybe mentioned that we did not include a fee reduction of a residential uses for SB 2553 because that you first and then it doesn't quite qualify under the state different. Correct. Yes, right. Because we don't have the 20 minute headways. Yeah. Yeah. OK. But again, that's a polyconsideration that Council could certainly consider. All right. So that's the motion. Thank you. I think it was properly seconded by Councilmember Abriqa. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, thank you very much for your time and for sticking with us. We're moving on to policy and action item 9.1, the East Pawl Autolibrary Project. Thank you in the audience that you've been so patient waiting for this presentation. I'm sure you're going to be very excited as we are to present this. So with no further ado, we're going to go ahead and hand it over to the Noel and Tam Architects. Yes, so Senior Engineer, you're going to be going to be going to talk about the Zaro and introduce this item and then show a hand it over to our architects from Noland-Tam. Thank you so much. Good evening, everyone. My name is Batuul Zaro. I'm a Senior Engineer with the City. And tonight we'll be discussing the East Pawel to Library Project. Back in 2024, the City brought on Noland- Nolan Tam Architects to design the new East Paul to library. And last summer, the community outreach phase began for this and following the community outreach, Nolan Tam developed an updated concept design. And tonight that will be presented. We have Elaine Cross and Jane Catalano from Nolan Tam will be presenting this item. So with that, I'll pass it to the Nolan Tam team. Thank you, Batool. Can everyone hear me okay? Great. All right, thank you. So we're here to do a design update for the new East Pell of Alto Library. Very happy to be here. Thank you for your time this evening. We'll start with some brief introductions. Here with us here. Is it progressing, Elaine? Yeah, do you not see my screen? Okay, here we go. Yeah, it's slow on my end for some reason. Sorry. Sorry. Okay, so, but tool introduced us already, but just to let you know who we are. I'm here wearing two hats tonight. I am leading the interior architecture and library planning for the project. And then I'm also here as principal of the firm standing in for Chris Nol who is recovering from back surgery and was really disappointed that he can't be here himself tonight. And I'm joined by Elaine Cross who is a project manager with Nolentam. Okay, so just to walk you brief through what we're going to be about tonight, we're going to give a summary of the community outreach process, talk to you about the building site, the process of developing the building form, walk you through plans and some views of preliminary views of interior spaces and then talk to you about project cost and next steps. Is it not sharing the community? Yeah, there's a delay in my end. Sorry. I'm not sure what's happening. Let me see. Can everyone see the advanced slide except me? No, we're still in a community outreach load. Okay. Yeah. Oh, here we go. I am not sure what's what's happening there. Well, we always start meetings by looking at the project goals. These were developed early on years ago, before we came on to the project. And so we start every meeting by looking at these just to make sure that we're still on track meeting the project goals. We've also incorporated the strategic plan for San Mateo County libraries and their strategic goals are really quite well aligned with the project goals for these Pell Alto Library. We partnered with Contigo Communications for the Community Outreach effortort, and I'm gonna go first through some key findings from our meetings with the community. So first, people want library services that impact community functioning. They want digital access and digital literacy, and they want to be able to leverage this in their daily lives. In addition to books, they want access to varied programming, like classes, workshops, other resources that the library can offer. Design expectations are high. Residents of East Pello Alto have visited all the other wonderful libraries around them and are wanting East Pello Alto to have its own library of that caliber. Programming and services need to address the great diversity in multiple cultures and languages that are in this community, and multi-generational programming and design should also be considered. So it's a place for all ages. So our process started with stakeholder interviews. The city and library helped to identify seven key community organizations that we could talk to. And so we met with these organizations to hear directly from them doing one-on-one interviews. And then these were just some of the quotes that came out of those interviews. And then we had two focus groups with 10 participants, each one in English and one in Spanish. And finally we had a large community meeting that was held at the library. We had a presentation in English and Spanish and then put up boards and were able to engage directly with community members answering questions, just hearing directly from them. And then the library kept the boards up for about a month so we could gather additional feedback from the community. So our final step was a staff engagement workshop where we met directly with the East Pellelto Library staff and city staff to talk to them about how the building was going to function and how they needed to operate, how they're going to manage the flow of materials and people in and out of the building. And that helped us to really dial in the critical adjacencies for spaces and programs within the building. And I wanted to also mention while we talk talk about this staff engagement, that we also met with the director of the epicenter. We know that early on, this building and the epicenter were sort of conceived as being related to each other and having kind of a civic presence on Poulgis and Bay Road. And so we met with them to talk about potential synergies between the two buildings and the people using them. And we found that Episode are now that it's up and running is really more of a secure building because there's children in that space is kind of operating more like a school where people are signing in and out. And so a seamless open flow of people between the two buildings won't necessarily be possible, but we still, there still are synergies between the types of programs that might happen in the library and might happen in the epicenter. So we still see those two buildings as creating a civic presence, and we don't want the library to turn it back to the epicenter. So Elaine's going to dive a little bit more into that when she talks about site. So speaking of our new neighbor epicenter, this leads us to our new project site in contrast to the current location on university avenue and being on the ground floor of the county building. There is great new opportunity here at Bay Road in Poulgis to have a civic presence and become a unique community asset that's among other nearby sites and services. The immediate new neighbors are notably at the center and the residential development across the street. And we've got Menlo Fire and Bournemann Steel, which reflects a bit of East Powell to the light industrial pass and in the prospective future varying developments for Bay Road and the waterfront. So we're going to start our design presentation from the outside in and along with our landscape architect we had set design goals based on the community engagement report and Outdoor spaces were a clear priority for the community It's not simply just a connection to nature. It's a place for discovery a place for contemplation or perhaps even something eventful. Like Jane was talking about that can help gather and engage the community in a barrier free space. So we're just going to present our highlight of a variety of outdoor spaces that are starting to take shape based on how the interior layout is starting to organize. For example, at this prominent Northwest corner, that's most visible to epicenter and people approaching from the major intersection of Bay Road and Poulgis is a Makeryard Plaza. And we see some reciprocity with the epicenter and serving the East Pellowell to youth. It's also next to the teen room right now. But also other ages that want to learn or hone a craft or have a temporary event that couldn't coordinate with epicenter. So there's opportunities for maker truck or having food trucks come or just lounging outside. Then we've got our other highly visible corner from the street and from the parking lot approach, which is our entry plaza. And it's designed to be a very welcoming and accessible approach to the main entrance while framing a very visible and active lobby area. We've got a rooftop terrace where we're trying to offer as much outdoor space as possible, including on the second floor. Here we have a quieter deck area that's an extension of the main reading room with the potential of different seating arrangements to read a book outdoors or just comfortably soak in the sun and fresh air. Here we have the family and community gardens, which is a spillover of the community room, a spillout space from the lobby, and just a general open area for all library patrons to enjoy. And finally we have the children's garden which is a dedicated outdoor space that extends out from the children's area for protected play, story time, and other potential educational purposes. This is a site plan that illustrates just the general layout of the land. It helps identify important site requirements we need for code, for planning, for parking, for fire access. But like the previous concept design, it's still a two-story building, it's 24,000 square feet. We're still on the north half of the site with the surface parking lot on the southern half. And one of the critical components of the site design is the parking area, which is one of the reasons we're here tonight. And the zoning designation for PI or public institutional zone leaves the parking ratio to the discretion of the city. And hopefully, you had a chance to read the agenda packet that included a narrative describing why the one parking space to 400 square feet seemed appropriate for the new library. It's what epicenter used when they went through a similar process and many of the nearby jurisdictions also use this ratio. Though it's left to the discretion of the city, there still are some cities such as San Mateo and Foster City that outright assign the one to 400 ratio for libraries. So by applying this calculation, we've calculated a total of 37 required spaces. We're trying to balance that requirement while maximizing the number of spaces this area can provide given code compliance we still must comply with. So for the moment we're able to provide up to 42 spaces but that can change if the city desires other features that might have space demands on the site like backup battery system you know it has a pad mounted enclosure that needs to be clear of the building. So moving on to the just transitioning to. the pad mounted enclosure that needs to be clear of the building. So moving on to the just transitioning to the building form and how the site studies are starting to shape it. You know, this is just a kind of step by step of how we're dealing with the massing of the building. So we're given the basic requirement of this two story structure and pushing and pooling in ways to maximize Southern light exposure to outdoor spaces or carving away coroners to, you know, pronounce the entry plaza or the Makeryard Plaza or carving away second floor area to provide this outdoor terrace and also maximize Southern light to that family community garden. And then thinking about shaping the roof to take advantage of North Daylight or optimizing positioning for PV panels or just creating a signature appearance for a new civic architecture. The massing also coincides with how the building spaces are laid out and though we closely study the flow of books and people and floor plans we also need to study how it happens in a two-story space. A lot of the functions are weighted on the ground floor for practical reasons such as staff area being on the same floor as the service desk or children's area for better supervision. While the second floor tends to be more open, so this is where the main reading room is. It's the majority of the bookstacks and there's a variety of meeting and program room spaces. So before we launch into some design concepts, we just want to share this collage of inspiration that we collected from around East Peloto to shed some light on what inspires us and how, to us they've started to come together through this concept of weaving and layering and it becomes this guiding light for how we approach design and how we think spaces relate to each other and what relationships those enable between people. And it's become a metaphor for how we think about the interconnectedness of people, the unique ecosystems around here and traditions and land uses, but also representing what we'd like the future library to embody. So in the exploration of form, with this notion of interwovenness and layering in mind, we've explored multiple options. Options, as you can see here, and continue to study iterations on a more focused set of themes. So we want to walk you through our design process, but we also want to make clear that this is simply a snapshot in time. It's still in a malleable stage that is being influenced by feedback from the city, from the library, from engineering, code, cost. But with that said, a few themes have risen to the top and seem to resonate with how the building is shaping and relating back to this concept of weaving and layering. So here we have tapestry, which starts with a simple form, but gets intricate with a textile-like facade treatment. Next, we have reveal, which creates layering within the building form and reveals views in, views out, and becomes an interplay of parts and pattern. The sawtooth has historical roots as a building dipology that maximizes natural light to a large floor area. But it also lends itself to dynamic reshape that not only has natural lighting benefits, but can create a signature presence for a building that really deserves a significant presence in East Palo Alto. We're also exploring color and materiality for the building exterior. This is a collage of some inspirations that illustrate what we see as a unique intersection of culture and landscapes, and how the community consistently strives to renew itself. This is just an initial concept rendering of the building's design development. It's a visual tool we use to just stop and check how different ideas are progressing. This is looking towards the main entry plaza and helps us understand how the visible lobby space starts to engage visitors from the street. What kind of presence might the building form have from the street? How does the landscape come in and frame the building and its outdoor spaces? But I would like to re-emphasize that this is not a final design scheme where color selection will continue to study this as we proceed into the next design development phase. Here we have a view from the family and community gardens. The rooftop terrace extends back here. The building is nicely framed by all the outdoor uses and you can see how the outdoor space was a strong priority in the design and all the different ways the library visitors can take advantage of the outdoor space. So here you see potential spill out of the community room and to the right would be that dedicated children's play area. Thanks Elaine. I'm going to walk through the interior of the building now. As Elaine mentioned, we're working from our the outside in. So here now we're going to start looking at the building and floor plan. So this is a plan of the first floor and over to the right, we have basically a list of the spaces with numbers assigned to them and I'll just kind of walk through to orient everybody. Starting with number one in the corner, that is the main entry. And so all of that light blue space is what we're thinking of as this community lobby or community gathering space. As soon as you come in you'll be greeted by books by a variety of seating, soft seating you might have computers, you'll be greeted by staff at a service desk. And we really see this as a gathering place for all ages, kind of the community living room, continuing over to the right on the plan, you see the stairs up to the second floor and the elevator. And what you'll see in future views is that the floor to the second floor is actually cut away there. So we have an open air sort of atrium to the second floor. And then continuing to the back of that lobby space. Yes, you see kind of the other side of what we just saw on that 3D rendering from the outside. So that lobby is overlooking the garden. So moving to number three, that's the big yellow rectangle. That's the children's space. So this is the children's collection and program areas and hangout space for children of all ages from babies up to tweens. Across the lobby on the other side number four is the large community room. This is the biggest meeting space in the building could see 80 up to 150 or more people depending on how the space is laid out and what kind of furniture you're using for an event. And we do plan to divide it into two rooms so that you could have flexibility of different room sizes there. And we're hoping that those two spaces could have retractable glass walls that could really create a full indoor outdoor experience for those spaces with a spill out onto the garden area. Moving to number five, that's the lighter orange color, that's the maker space, and so that's where people can use all sorts of high-tech and low-tech programming tools to do anything from sewing to 3D printing to have a culinary class and learn how to cook. Number six, the light green, that's the teen space. So I think in previous versions of the concept design, the teens were located on the second floor and two things that we heard from staff and from the community were one the community and staff thought maybe the teens would work well in the first floor because this is going to be the more active floor maybe a little more noisy and that teens and their exuberance would do well on the first floor and then we also have number seven the staff on the first floor and that was something that Elaine mentioned that we heard from staff that really to operate this building well that staff needed to be located on the first floor. In the light gray, we also have the larger public restrooms on this level. And so another thing that we considered in laying out these spaces and their Jason adjacencies was after hours access for that largest community room meeting space. That's not to say that if there was a planned event you couldn't use more of that lobby, but really we wanted to make sure that if the library is closed, that community organizations could come and use this space or the public could come and use this space and have restrooms associated with it. So it is located directly adjacent to the main public restrooms and you could easily close off that corridor and it has a separate entrance from the outside to make it easy for people to come and go if the library is closed. Moving upstairs, as you come up the stairs or the elevator, you're really in the heart of the true library space and the more traditional library that people think of with bookstacks. There'll be a variety of seating types. There'll be computer tables, lounge seating, carols, tables and chairs. We're really hoping that anyone in the community could come here and kind of find their nook, their favorite spot in the library. And then we'll have a variety of meeting rooms on this floor as well. The darker orange, that is the adult literacy space. It actually could function as a kind of a multipurpose meeting room or classroom. And then the lighter orange spaces are a variety of smaller meeting rooms. So we have a conference room that's maybe eight to 12 people, and then a couple of rooms that could be a study room for four, and a couple of rooms that would be more of a Zoom room for one to two people. Let's see, in the light gray number eight, we have two single occupant restrooms on this level, so people don't have to go all the way down to the first floor. And Elaine, I think you're pointed to number two. That's the teal space. That is the quiet reading area. So since libraries are no longer as quiet as they used to be in the past. Some people do want that quiet focused reading experience. And so we create an enclosed room for those folks so they can get away. And number 10 is that outdoor terrace, the second floor reading terrace that Elaine mentioned where you could take a book outside and hang out in the sun. And so these plans, they look really real, they're by no means done. At this point we still have time to move things around. And so things are still flexible. All right, moving on to the look and feel of the interior. We are proposing a mass timber structural system for the building where the primary structural elements of columns, beams, and roof and floor deck, which when you're in the building reads as a a ceiling those are all wood. One of the main reasons is that this allows the the natural beauty of the wood to provide an immediate visual connection to the outdoor environment without the need for applied finishes. Mass timbers constructed as a kit of parts. It's more lightweight than typical steel and concrete construction. There can be some cost savings there on the foundations. And it's faster to construct. In addition, you might not think of wood as fire resistant, but in Mass timber, the thickness of those laminated wood assemblies does offer fire resistance that's recognized in the building code. In the event of a fire, the wood develops a char layer on the outside that acts as a barrier protecting the structural integrity of the core. So this wood structure also allows for some expressive roof and ceiling forms that can bring in natural light and pull in that connection to nature. Elaine talked about the sawtooth roof form and we really liked how that could be paired with the wood structure to really highlight the natural material. If you go to the next slide it shows this roof form in a in a time tested way to bring natural light into that deep floor plate. It has a historic precedent in greenhouse buildings. So that reminded us of elements of East Pellaltos history as well. I'm gonna walk through a few interior views. And I do wanna say these are not rendering. So they're not meant to convey color or finishes by any means are really pretty raw views taken from the 3D model of the building that we're developing. So it's sort of like you're peering into a model, but it's not a finished rendering at all. What we want to show here is just the sense of volume and what you can see as you're moving around the library. So as we come back to you, you'll see these more and more developed and starting to look more real. This is the first view that you would get as you walk into the main entry to the right. You see the service desk. As we come back to you, you'll see these more and more developed and starting to look more real. This is the first view that you would get as you walk into the main entry to the right. You see the service desk and you'll see books right when you come in. This is really that community gathering space. And straight ahead, you see the teen room and the maker space. So we really heard from the community that they wanted to come in and feel like the library was for them and that they would know where they could access things. And so we wanted to get some of these materials and spaces front and center right when you come in. Moving over to the right as you come in, then you're into this central core of the building where we have the stairs and the elevator moving up to the second floor. And here you can see where the floor is cut away. And so you get that view up to the second floor. The stair design is not quite done yet. This is just showing A-stair. But when we come back, we will have this design more fully developed and hopefully a more dramatic stair design. This is a view coming up the stairs, really that wow moment you get this beautiful roof form and you're seeing the natural light kind of flooding into the second level. And then finally we wanted to show a view from one of the corners of the second floor, just giving you a sense of the size of the space and that there are kind of seating nooks and places where people can find their spot, spread out their materials and enjoy the library. We wanted to have at least one view of the inside that's doing it a little more justice and giving you a sense of some color and texture. So this is the view towards the back of that community living room space where you're looking out into the garden and really emphasizing that indoor outdoor connection again, but this time from the inside. Okay, so let's talk about how much this is going to cost. Moving from left to right on this slide, just to orient you, in the first column, we have the cost estimate numbers that were done with why architects and directional logic back in June of 2019. So then moving down the column, the top number was the construction cost that was 24.5 million. And then you have 35% project soft costs. For a building in this type, we typically estimate 35 to 40% in soft costs. That's things like permit fees, development impact fees. It could be furniture and equipment, moving costs, that kind of thing would be in those numbers. And then it gives you your total project budget at that time, most 33.1 million. As we all are very aware, after June of 2019, there were some changes in our society and in construction costs and costs of all things. There was significant inflation. And so, when we came on board in 2024, we just took a back in the napkin, adjusted for inflation, look at those numbers to say, okay, where are we at? Let's do a sanity check. And so that's those numbers in the center column. Those are just those original 2019 numbers adjusted for inflation. So at that time, we were thinking, okay, maybe it'll come in around 36 million and a project cost of 48.6 for that same size building. So the numbers in that final column that are the darkest those are based on the actual design that we showed today. So this is still in a conceptual or schematic phase but that those numbers are based on an actual cost estimate of the design we talked about. That's coming in at $32.5 million with a $43.8 million project budget. Those costs are pretty in line with what we are seeing in the market for a building of this type and size nowadays in the Bay Area. Diving into those numbers a little more into that top construction budget number. So the bulk of that number, 22.7 million is the building construction. 2.8 is the site. And then we have a 15 percent design contingency. That's typical at this stage in the design because there's still a lot that needs to be figured out. And then we have 3.2 million that's being held for escalation, that assuming that the project moves forward based on the schedule that has been outlined so far, that we factor in some additional inflation to get to the midpoint of construction, which would be in 2027. So that all adds up to the 32.5 million. Finally, I want to just check in on the schedule to tell you where we are in the process. You can see today marked there. So we're at the end of this schematic phase. Hopefully, if we have approval today to move forward and to continue the design into the 30% design phase or design development phase. And then you will see us again at the end of that phase when the project is more developed after we've done more of these color studies and form studies and really drill down and made the building more real. So that will be the major milestones approval. At that point, then we move into construction documents where we put together a full set of plans and specifications that can go out to bid for contractors to cost and then build. So that concludes our prepared presentation. Thank you for your patience and time and look forward to hearing any questions or comments that you might have. Thank you so much for the presentation. We're going to go ahead and go to public comment right now before we come back to the council. Do we have any comments, James? I said, do you see one hand raised on Zoom from Angel Hate? Hi. Can you guys hear me? Yes. All right, great. Good evening, council members, city leaders and community members. I just wanted to say thank you for the opportunity to speak on behalf of the foundation for the San Mateo County libraries. I express my gratitude for the for your commitment to this transformative project. This will, as you guys know, aim to create more educational access and opportunities for the East Pell Alpha community. We're just so honored to partner with you on this journey. With your partnership, we are poised to leveragefick support by launching a capital campaign in the next few months. We hope that by engaging individuals, businesses and community organizations, the capital campaign will build a strong public private partnership to reflect the strength and the city. And we believe this is more than a fundraising effort. It's an investment in the future of East Palo Alto. The library is going to be more than a place to just borrow books. It'll be a safe haven for students, a resource for job seekers, and a space where dreams can be nurtured. With your leadership and the collective efforts of our community, I am confidently can bring this vision to life and create a library that reflects the strength and diversity of East Palo Alto. And thank you guys for trusting us with this important work. I'm hopeful that together we can create something truly extraordinary. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Next speaker, Larry Moody. Hello, Mr. Moody. Looks like your mic is unmuted, but we can't hear you. Not sure if we may be having issues with your microphone, but you are unmuted, but we can't currently hear you. Maybe he wants to log in and log out to see if... Yeah. Are you on a bone, Mr. Moody? Maybe try restarting it or logging off We'll give you Yeah, we're still can't Yes, we can hear you now. Yes You hear me now. Yes, okay, let me go real quick before it cut off. Good evening Council. Larry Modi's fall off to resident. I just want to say I'm so excited that we've come to this point now where we can have an opportunity to clearly see the possibilities of East Pawl off to a library. I look forward personally to working with the foundation as they begin circulating opportunities for local residents to get involved in their capital campaign effort. One of the things I would like to express, I think there is an opportunity for the Ravenswood City School District to play a role with this project on a lot of fronts. One, I would like to see some level of outreach or workshop or place where the teachers can come in. And we might be able to learn some lessons about today's culture as it relates to the classroom environment and what students are learning. And then finally, I'm here to carry a message for Dr. Clayborne Carson, who's the curator of the Martin Luther King Institute papers, which were formally held on the Stanford campus. He would like to work with these fall out to library by donating over 2000 units of papers and books and items associated with the Martin Luther King project. So I would like us to begin thinking about having a dedicated space that could be for Dr. Martin Luther King in his work in Dr. Claiborne Carson and his world project organization. We will be the only community in the nation that would have such a place for the nation to experience when they come into East Paul Law to the future. All right, thank you for your time. Thank you. Those are last speaker I believe. Do we have anyone here from the audience that would like to say something that would like to make a comment before we move on? Any comments? Okay, so we're going to go ahead now and we're going to have our council members if they have any comments questions. This is a moment. Yeah, so I like the design. I'm just interested knowing since this has been the works for a while. How we came to this design. Also, I think that we could include maybe a small like cafe or like a sandwich shop or something in the design so that we could potentially lease that out to maybe a small business that would operate it. So maybe if there could be included a space for like maybe a small cafe kind of like, I don't know if you've been to the MLK library in San Jose. I went to San Jose State so I was there when they first opened but that library includes a little small cafe inside so you don't have to go far setting it a cup of coffee or something or buy to eat but I think maybe including that in the project would be beneficial so that we're maximizing the use of this area. But yeah, I think that's really the only common I have. And I was wondering if it would be possible to have maybe a third story, but I'm looking at the cost and I'm kind of wondering how we can pay for this. So I'm also interested in knowing how this will be, this is being funded, or potentially funded. Thank you. So I think speaking to the first question about how we arrived at the design, I think we have been working, well first hearing from the community, getting all the inputs from our consultants looking at the site, and then also working with the library and the city. We've been having weekly meetings with the library and with the city team. And then we have met several times with the ad hoc group, which is a group of people from Palo Alto Library or San Mateo County Libraries, and a couple of the council members and the mayor to look at the design and do, you know, get updates and receive feedbacks as we go. So it has been a process of a few months leading up to this point. The question was a cafe. I think that has come up a lot. And I think the community has expressed that they would love to have a place to get food as well. I think food and libraries is always kind of an ongoing challenge. And maybe the library can speak to that a little bit too. Those spaces can sometimes be hard to find a long-term tenant. So, you know, we're certainly open to designing whatever the library in city wants us to put in that's been the library. But at this point that is not included in the design, we have had some clients do plan for a future kiosk if that's something because that's a little more flexible. You're not building a specific room for a cafe. We have seen some success with that type of, you know, just putting in the infrastructure so that if somebody wants to bring in a card or something like that they could, but it's not currently part of the design. Okay, yeah, I think I think there are, um, additional sounds that I know there's another library. I think in Hayward they have a little, um, yeah, so I think that one did. Hayward has a, like one of the newer libraries that was is recently built. Yeah. And Palo Alto does as well. Yeah. Excuse me. Oh, I did have a question in regards to the design as well, because I know that in the planning stages, I had mentioned when, you know, council member Lincoln suggested of having the cafe. So do we still have that little option of that little, I don't know if I'm saying the right word here today, but I think it was like a little dirt road or something like that. So if in the future we wanted to have kind of like off the grid, you know, catering trucks that would come for a special event or something like that is that still in the design or has that been like not included because you know I did bring that up as well that it would be nice since we actually don't have anything surrounding the current property we don't have any cafes or anything that would compete in having like a vendor there. So I was just curious as to if that was actually included after all or not. Thank you. So far yes. And we're going to be developing the design further. But so far the design of that of the sort of plaza areas leading up to the building that are a landscape architecture consultant is putting together. You know, they, they've proposed doing kind of a curbless section of the walk there leading to the parking lot so that you could potentially have a food truck or a maker truck, truck pull up, not curbless on the pull the pull gas side but at the parking lot. And so there are some great issues to consider because the parking lot is going to be a couple of feet below where the first floor of the building is. So we are looking at that and it's something that we know is a desire and we're trying to incorporate into the design as best as we can. One more thing regarding the potentially including a cafe, we do have library, San Mateo County library staff here who might be able to provide some insights on other libraries in the county. I believe there was another library who tried to include some sort of cafe and as Jane mentioned it was they had trouble finding tenants and they had some long-term issues that came up. So I don't know, Rachel or Ann Marie, if you wanted to chime in. I know you guys might be able to provide some good insight on that. Hi, this is Rachel McDonald. Oh, go ahead and see I'm raised on here as well. Just quickly this is Rachel Mcdonald projects and facilities manager for the San Mateo County Libraries. Good evening council members. Good evening city staff and thank you so much for this opportunity. We've had a cafe in the past at our Belmont library where we have had challenges as well and so we've then reverted to Vendy Machines, which helps us a little bit, but again, it was a lot of challenges. We currently have an Atherton Library Cafe that the city contracts with, and I believe Emory can give a little bit more information about this and our challenges that we have had with it in the past. Go ahead. Good evening, Council members. I am Ann Marie D'Sfane. I'm the Director of Library Services for San Mateo County Libraries. We love food. We love coffee. We would love to incorporate it. We have some food policies and libraries are much more liberal about that. It really is just a business model and every city is different. As Rachel mentioned and Jane mentioned as well, there's been some struggles. There's some different models out there. It's really just the viability and whether a business, a small business can survive if there's enough business and we've seen both. Atherton currently subsidizes the Manamosecollette that's there, but there's some other, I think San Mateo city, the main library has a cafe as well, but we're happy to look into that. I think that's the culinary piece. We talked about and heard from the community. We're looking at incorporating that. We offer a lot of food programs. I think some of you may be familiar with the mill programs that we offer as well. So happy to look into that and answer any other questions that you may have. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Barbie, beneficial because this is in the RBD and given the future development and might see more of use. I've been to the Atherton library. It's kind of like isolated, but this is like a high traffic area and we just don't have a whole lot of options in East Paul's house, so I think it might actually work out. B.S.O. Monley, my next last question was just about like the financing house is gonna be paid for. Has that all been worked out or how's... Not yet the city is working with the library foundation. Has I believe angel might have mentioned. I don't know if anyone else has anything they want to add, but it is we don't have funding secured secured yet, but the city is kind of bringing with the foundation to plan out potential funding opportunities. And I'll just add that we are discussing that obviously it's a you know it's a big task the foundation has set a goal to raise 10 million that was at a time when we thought the building would be around 30 million and there were state funds available that could help us reach about a third of that goal. And then we thought public funding could meet the gap. Obviously things have changed. So we'll need to address the fundraising again, but there are library JPA funds that are available. Those are dedicated to FF&E. The board already knows that those are set aside for East Palo Alto. That's about 2.5 million. And so I think we'll be looking and we're talking closely with both the foundation, the city seeking grants, seeking private and public funding as well. So that will, to seeing the next step. I'm looking forward to seeing the next step. I'm looking forward to seeing the next step. I'm looking forward to seeing the next step. I'm looking forward to seeing the next step. I'm looking forward to seeing the next step funds that will be applying for it, hopefully successful, as well as private donations and potentially doing a bond measure. Also, one concern I have is given that we're kind of in the middle of a trade war, that those costs that you are projecting might actually go up by an additional 20% or more, you know, construction materials and stuff like that. So, yeah, so I don't know. I just think that those costs might be a little bit higher. If we will start the project today, but I think this is, old project might take a few years actually to off the ground. So I think we're on the track, but that's my last comment. Yeah, thanks for the presentation. Super excited by the idea of a new library, Aene's Pal Alto. Everything looks amazing in the proposals. I don't think our role is to to micromanage the design or the aesthetics of the library. We really have one function that's to raise money. And if that's going to be a big lift, we're going to need to find private funders or do a bond measure. The role of this council, we need to come up with the money. And I'm super excited to be working on this. I'm also, you know, the need and there's people from the library staff in the audience tonight. We see the great work that the library does. We appreciate that work. And, you know, I look at the library right now and I think while we so need this as a community, it's probably the number one thing that would improve the quality of life of everybody in East Palo Alto, rich and poor and everyone in between and you know we need to get to work, we need to probably find somebody who wants to slap their name on the library and you know write a check for $40 million and have that as one of their legacies. So if anybody knows somebody like that, send them to Ann Marie and she'll be able to accept the check. Thanks for the work. I think we've got a lot of work ahead of us from the financing side. I, you know, the proposals and the past libraries that I've seen you guys build is, you know, they're all amazing and they'll all be a tremendous improvement of what we have right now. So thank you for the presentation. I strongly support a new library and any funding from the city as well. And we need to get to work and get this thing built. Thank you. Thank you everyone for the presentation. I don't know this is the last call for anyone else on the diocese that might have a comment a question. Yes. Thank you for the update and I look forward to the other design updates as they get more specific, but just to address a couple of points that are heard on the designs. So yeah, I did hear or it seemed that one of the staff concerns or one of the things that they contributed because they're the ones who they're dealing with, all the people that public was, people always looking for something which, you know, I'm one of those any lab area. I don't know what's asked. I just go looking for things. But the, that imply that there would be some, like, little stations or something and different parts or it would just more that having plenty of space where staff would be available right away because they come in, which they are now, but even more so that people right away can express their concerns. So I just kind of lost that part. What was the implication of that? Because I thought that was a very good, very good input, which often the public may not think about, that the staff definitely. Yeah, sorry if I wasn't clear in the presentation. I think what I intended to say was that right when you come in, you would see staff, but that the library, there's an openness to it so you can kind of find your way, find your way to maybe Anne or Rachel could speak a little bit more to their service model, but I believe it's that they have kind of one main service desk and then staff are kind of floating to help patrons rather than having multiple service desks throughout the library. So I don't think that multiple service desks is the intent. It's more that people will be able to see, come in, see their way around, see where the materials are, and then yes, have that immediate service point from staff right when they come in if they need help. Yes, I know that there's plenty of time to get into all the more internal things and even what's gonna be be in it, et cetera, or let's stop. One other question ahead, whether there might be a need for it, or something to consider, it has to do with the parking. And that is, one of the issues that came up with the EPA Center was them wanting to have an area where it would be kind of a drop off because of the traffic. A lot of people sometimes just dropping other kids, picking them up and, you know, which could... Yeah, so I was wondering whether that's a feature in any other libraries where, you know, part of the spacing and one of the outside areas would be kind of a small, little curved drop off curve where people might be just dropping off and moving instead of having to go looking for parking because we did hear that concern both even from the neighbors around there but also even from the people running the place that if that would be yeah so that and I mean down the line I guess will be more studies done on the traffic or the impact and all of that stuff. But just thinking of that issue coming up from the EPA Center, which initially I thought, well, maybe it could take part of their own property. that would have been a major, well, not maybe not a major, but it would be a modification of the existing, you know, the sidewalk and the area there. But, you know, I'm just thinking way back with Brentwood School, that's one thing that was changed because of the just congestion of people dropping off kids. And I don't know if it's a concern too early to think about that, but if there's room and if it does seem like something that might be necessary, maybe not. Yes, 100% you're right on that is a good question and a good observation. We are considering that and it is part of the current parking lot design to have an area for drop off of car passenger vehicles or even shuttle.. Elaine did you want to- I didn't I don't remember really seeing anything there. I mean I didn't really see anything that was like usually they're like a little curve or something where their cars are not in the way. The whole idea of it is, you know, go inside that little curve, drop off and then get out. Or is that something you were thinking about? I don't remember seeing it in the design. I see what you're referring to, kind of almost like a shoulder when you see indentation in the public right of way to pull over off the street. We don't have that off-pulgous, but what we've designated as the drop-off zone is actually putting the drive aisle right up against the entry plaza. And that's the extent of our drop-off zone as is a timed zone, which we need to determine with the city for quick drop-offs of books or pickup of books or passenger unloading and loading. Well I'm just facing that concern because or that issue just because we yeah it it is an issue around everywhere in town parking and. Yes. And then the congestion and as much as, yeah. So I think that's just something to consider. And maybe that can further down the line and the design to try that. And then the, yeah. the, the, I guess the, the smaller rooms, I think on the second floor, there were spaces for like four or six people. No way. And with those, is that, was that one area that could be, that you could actually create little spaces with dividers or, you know, I'm thinking that, for example, even like the teenagers who, so they're on the bottom floor, that's more open and more things going on, but some libraries, I think, where there's a small room where people can work on a project. And so they're going to need to talk, and they're going to draw, they're going to make noise. Not too much noise, but they can't just, they're not just studying there. They're creating something. And so I think having spaces like that would be good. And it seemed like the small rooms already accommodate that. But if there's, you know, theoretically, there could be a lot of those going on. And if there's a flexibility in some spaces, it looks like you're creating areas where there's creating flexible space. And the library has told us that, you know, and we see this a lot that if we provide the rooms, people will use them. So, so we definitely want a good number of small meeting spaces and a variety of sizes for people to go and do group projects and have meetings and. Yes, have those conversations that maybe need to be in a room and contained to have the exuberance and excitement contained and not out on the main library floor. The last thing on the very top on the rooftop, is that more like a garden where people can go and just relax there? Or what was the rooftop idea there? Yes, the idea is that it's a reading terrace, so it's a garden. There'll be planters, planted material, comfortable places to sit, so it is an outdoor reading space or hangout space. Thank you for now. Okay, thank you for the presentation for answering the questions. Okay. I'm going to go real fast. I know we've the mayor and I have on the subcommittee have already spoken with you about stuff. Yes. But various things. But the first thing I want to ask is, what is the interior height of that first floor? Do you have a sense more or less? Currently, it's 16 feet to the finish floor of the second floor, but 14 feet clear if you're taking a note count the bottom of a mess timber beam or glue lamb beam Okay,, but beyond the glue lamb, you'd still be able to see that that part beyond the glue lamb still forms part of the interior space that you could see. Correct. Correct. They would be exposed to you'd see the cavities. Right. So so you'd be able to kind of feel the 16 foot height. Okay. Yes. Actually, and I was before I started, I did want to thank the library staff and Marie, your designers, because the way the library has been laid out since this last remodel has really made a difference. As a matter of fact, I go to a lot of libraries to read all the time, and I'm coming to this library more often. Now, I still go to other libraries very more often. But this is definitely a library where, even though there are a number of activities, children are there, people are on the computers, you can find spaces in which you can read and lose yourself in a book. And so I want to thank you all for doing that because it probably is going to take five or six years before we actually get this library. And so thank you very much for retooling this library and making it much more accessible friendly for everyone. So with that, I brought this up before I'm going to bring it up again. Is the mass timber approach at this point, a foregone conclusion? Again, my concern with mass timber, it's a cost issue primarily because the number of contractors that do mass timber in this state is not very large. And what that means is that you may not be getting the competitive bids that you need to get the price down. And the mass timber does concern me. So I think as you move forward, it would be really helpful to get a pulse on whether or not mass timber is the, you know, the best way to go just in terms of cost and it concerns me. I have a quick comment on the restaurant piece. So Episodinner actually has one at the corner. I don't think they have an operator. They actually have a commercial kitchen, which is pretty expensive. So I don't know whether it, I mean given our cost constraints, the size of the library, about 24, 25,000 square feet, it makes sense to include the small, call it restaurant, or a cafe again, there is is one something at epicenter, just wanted to point that out. I mentioned the study rooms before, I'll mention them again. I wanna make sure though, I mean, I like the study rooms and right now it looks like they're one, two, three, four, five. They're five of them and then there's the big room. I would really want to make sure that we have enough of those four person rooms and that they're large enough. So just, I know from having used both the, well, many study rooms and many places including the South San Francisco ones as well as the ones in Athogen and the ones that are located in the three libraries at in Pado Alto. That size makes a difference and it seems like some of these are a little undersized as those seem to be closer to 11 by 11s or maybe 12 by 12s. So let's just make sure that when we include these study rooms, I think are really important and are getting used more and more in places. They are of a size that indeed can accommodate the collaborative study and other things that happen in those rooms. But I'm glad they're being included. I think this is something that I want to talk again bring up again because I know that councilmember Abedica, I mean if he had his druthers he would also turn this into a community center. We don't have that we can't do that but again looking at number, which happens to be the community room, just one, I know it's demizable space, correct? So you can actually turn in, you can have two rooms, is that correct? And both rooms have access to the exterior, right? Yes. Now, the question about rest room, so it is possible to use that space correct and close it off from the library. If let's say a community meeting happened and it was going to a nine at night, is that something that's possible? Because I do think that, okay, because that is really important that folks in the community might be able to work with the library to figure out how they can have access to that space. And then the last piece on that design for that community room, and I've mentioned this before, I don't know if it's possible. But having access to the space above, what I don't know, what are we calling, number time, we're calling it the rooftop terrace, somehow from that community room, I envision a circular stair, I don't know, I just, again that would create greater function for that space if possible, particularly from the community kind of perspective. I think that was it. So, again you know the more we can have the ground floor flow to the exterior the better. I guess that I don't know if the makerspace flows to the exterior if there's is there a door that that goes out to that exterior is that right? Yeah okay Okay. And in the event that we wind up making a greater connection with epicenter, which I think we should try to do that, but I know that there's some issues there. I mean, I can easily see some sort of arched bridgeway that goes over that bioswale that's there and that connects the two. And, you know, so anyway, I could see that potentially being one of those access points from which we would go. But at this point, I think there's a lot to be determined if to whether we can get there. So I think that's those are my concerns, just thoughts. As far as the funding to this city attorney, I'm so glad city manager, I'm so glad to hear that we are talking about when we have to put in our own money and that we're all spying about a bond because it's a $40, $45 million project that we are not gonna get a single donor or for that matter, 40 donors to give us $40 million. And the foundation is being very generous and helping us raise, and I'm going to say $12 million maybe. But we really do have to do a fair amount of self help on our own. And that bond that we were contemplating doing last year, hopefully something in maybe 2026 that also includes facilities would be important. And to that extent, I wanna say here today that I believe this council should make an allocation of $6 million of our general fund balance toward this project. And I hope we do that during the budget process. I think it'd be very important for future funders to see that the city of East Potlopters actually contributing money to this project and general fund money, because I think that will be a way to incentivize and as well as show members who don't live in this community kind of high wealth individuals who we may be approaching that this is not just a handout we're asking for we are indeed contributing Ardurn money Tax pair money to this project because it is that important to us So again, I hope we we consider that six million dollars during the budget process And I certainly will bring that up again. Thank you very much Okay, thank you with that. I think we're gonna go ahead and we're going to for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Thank you for the proposed city council action is consistent with the existing RBD plan. And so forth and so forth. Because it's very long and I know that some folks need to get home also. So I don't know if we have to go ahead and vote for this. So I don't know if there's a motion. I moved you down the resolution. Okay, perfect. I will second. Okay, so all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, so thank you very much. Thank you. The tool. Thank you to the architect firm as well. Folks from the county library at our local East Paw Lotto library folks that have stuck with us this long to see this beautiful presentation. So thank you so much for all you do. And we're really excited to look forward to hopefully getting this funding done sooner rather than later. So with that we're going to move on to item 9.2, the recruitment and retention incentive plan for the recruitment of hard to fill positions. And I believe is that Ms. Sherry that's going to do the presentation or is that you know? This presentation will be led by our human resources management on a whereas monitor goal. Thank you. Thank you, Movin. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council members. Can everyone hear me? Okay. Yep. Okay, so we are here today to request a approval to establish a recruitment and retention incentive program that will be paid in three installments for the following hearts of bill positions. Our police captain and police officer, which are nationwide challenges, we are asking for each of the new hires to receive a $30,000 bonus. Our chief building official, which is an intense regional competition, we are asking for 22,500 Plus an increase of 10% to their base pay Our last position is our shuttle van driver, which has been a persistent vacancy and we are asking for 7,500 I am happy to share that all meet and confer obligations have been met and and with that we would like to request the approval of the site litter agreements and because of its A B its NC that are here in this packet as well and that is it for my side. Okay, thank you. I don't know if we have any public comment on this item. Mr. Carlin. No. Okay. Any comments, questions or concerns from the diocese before we move on? Let's see if we can leave before 11. I'm a recruiter, and so this is what I do for living. And I have a lot of thoughts on recruiting. They would take four to five hours about how you would recruit for EPA. I'm happy. Blacks a black zone. Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to meet outside of Council. I was mean, this is what I do for a living. So I don't think it would be useful for me to chat right now, but I do support any and all measures to fill our positions. And what we say in recruiting is a result of the energy. And if you're not spending money on recruiting you're not going to get the right people in place and so I strongly encourage the city to do what it takes to fill positions and get excellent candidates and more importantly have a process where we're hiring the best people available not just the only people available so thank you. Do we have any more comments, questions, concerns going once, going twice? Okay. So I guess we're going to go ahead and do the recommendation of proving a resolution, a resolution establishing the City of East Paul Walts, those recruitment incentive plan with sign on bonuses as presented and so forth and so forth. If we have somebody that will make the motion. I make a motion that we adopt the suggestion of recruitment retention incentive plan. The recruitment of hard to fill positions as details in the resolution. Anyone? Okay. Perfect. All in favor? Say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye? Okay. Perfect. All in favor? Say I. I. Hi. Okay. Thank you. Ms. Torres for sticking around. Have a good night. Cuttle with your baby. And we'll see you tonight or tomorrow. Okay. Moving on to item 9.3. The authorization to execute soil stockpiling agreement with the Sikamore real estate investment LLC and P.C. Kavanaugh construction. I believe it's Mr. Games. It is. Thank you Mayor of Argonne. I'll be brief. It's late. I wanted to bring this item before you all so that you consider authorizing the city to enter into an agreement with Sikamore Real Estate property. Sorry, Sikamore Real Estate Investment LLC and Peek have an all construction company. And to direct us to put the funds generated from this agreement toward parks and recreation services. This action is aligned with our city council strategic priorities both increasing the city's financial and organizational health as it generates revenue for the city with no financial liability. And it also helps us to enhance community services and parks potentially as it will support funding for much needed park improvements. In 2023, the city's park master plan identified over $50 million in park improvements. Some of those improvements were for replacement of existing park equipment and the other funds are necessary to kind of to do the park redesign and MLK park and Bell Street. While we have $50 million in park projects, we don't have very many funding sources for those park projects. So the city then interim assistant city manager introduced myself and Maurice Baker our community services manager to a company called Landify which brings in soil and changes the topography of parks and then uses the tipping fees from that soil movement for park improvements. Long story short, the discussions with Landify, they weren't able to bring enough fill to our parks to fund a need of park improvements. So we modified that conversation, asking if they could bring soil to development projects and the RBD that needed to essentially raise their elevation levels. We spoke with Sycamore and we also spoke with 2020 Bay Road, both who were interested. And the catalyst of those conversations actually have led to this agreement that's before you now. Sycamore took the lead with continuing conversations with soil companies and established a a relationship with peak avena construction company and drafted an agreement with Kavanaugh in the city whereby Kavanaugh would move the soil to sickamores properties up to 150,000 cubic yards of soil and the city would receive 90% of the net profit from the tipping fees that are generated. We estimate that it to be about at minimum $600,000, but it could go up to $1,000,000. Because the catalyst of this conversation was parks and rec, I'm also recommending that any funds generated from this project be placed in a special fund for park projects. However, we'd come to the council for final appropriations or you still have the ability to put these funds into other uses. And with that, I'll conclude this conversation, this presentation and open up for any questions you may have. Okay. We'll go to public comments. Do we have any of James before we go to the dining room? conversation this presentation and open up for any questions you may have. Okay. We'll go to public comment. Do we have any James before we go to the dius? No mayor. Okay. I'm opening it up the the the the the the the the RMP and all the city's requirements as well. So, and I guess that's my only concern if you recall that probably most folks don't, I know it comes from everybody who does, but there was a huge pile on the fat children's site, right? I believe actually Stanford detritus, I may be wrong, but it was a huge pile of dirt that got moved onto that site. That actually I had to get moved off because it had contaminated elements. So I just want to make sure that whatever agreement we sign with any entity that's doing this work and that's moving it, guarantees, and I don't't know if necessary indemnifies us if any of this dirt gets moved is, is, we find out that it's contaminated in the future. That's my only concern. Yes, the draft agreement does, not the city would not be liable, but it's actually on peak have an all construction is liable, I believe, and Emerson, sorry, calling them, uh, Sycamore is actually holding them accountable as well. So it's their liability. The city is no liable, not liable. And and the right council there, there is a way of then insulating us from that movement. Or if it were to be found contaminated. That's correct. And we did have outside environmental litigation council review the stockpiling agreement and make it it's consistent with that. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, great. I don't know if we have any more comments, questions from the other council members. I would like to make a motion that we adopt this resolution. All second. Okay. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Hey, thank you. Moving on to item 10. Council's a lot of things going on, but I want to invite people who may be available and interested tomorrow Wednesday from six to eight at. room in the back of the YMCA. There's going to be a presentation on the impact of the Pala Alto airport on our community. As you know, it's been a long standing issue. Even if nothing is done to the current airport layout and functioning, there's noise pollution and crashes and other things. And it's going to be a presentation by a group of students from Stanford University. I was invited to a class and environmental justice and just in sharing part of the history of East Belle also Alto, the sum stones were interested in this particular issue. So they graciously agreed to do some research, which they're going to present to the community. And then subsequently, they'll also give that report to the staff. And I think as we go through the next few years, there'll be opportunities to keep learning about this issue and be prepared to have more input when that issue comes up. So that'll be tomorrow from six to eight in the YMCA room in the back. Thank you. Hey, thank you, Council Member Abirica. I don't know if we have any other council that likes reports. If not, yes, Ms. Sherry. Just wanted to remind the public that this Saturday we'll be having our strategic priorities retreat beginning with a community workshop at 10 a.m. We're looking forward to community members coming and telling the city and the city council of what they think the priority should be for the next four years. Here at 2415 University 10 a.m. I'm the agenda says 9 a.m. The agenda is in published. No. the city 10 a.m. I'm the agenda says 9 a.m. The agenda is in published yet. No tonight's agenda says upcoming meeting is March 8th. I think the doors open at 9 and there's food and then it starts. The doors open for registration. It should be 9 30. but the actual community meeting, I'm sorry, the community workshop will begin at 10 a.m. Okay, thanks. And we will be publishing a report and agenda for that officially tomorrow, and that will have the correct time. Thank you. So I think with that, the time is 1041 and we're journeying the meeting for tonight.