Okay, just give me a quick one. I know you're about to hear the question. So you can show me the presentation. I'll be now to the end of the slides. Okay. Don't need to be like this. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Slow that down. Nothing that I should know. So it's 9.30 when we get started with the roll call. We are going to do things a little more traditionally this morning because our guest speaker is joining me to go to so let's go around and just for the record please state your name and your floor buildings are the first floor cutters hall created call from if you want to ask your questions. I think this is a love getting it. Here's your book commission, but it's a love book. It's a love book. It's a love book. Yeah, so we went to the family and kept her story friends and sharing it. She bought it and made it. I was like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Cindy. Let's mark your member at last. Go ahead and go ahead and up. At least now, thanks to them. False Church Chamber of Commerce. Jesse Lovicus, Mary Riley, Siles, Public Library. Ronnie Lovic, Tourist Society of False Church. Rose, be first. Are we not going to talk at all? No, as I said, we not going to talk at all? No, as I said, we're going to follow up with you. We went on the agenda just to accommodate our guest speakers scheduled to next up. And Cindy, Mr. Sorry for being rude. I was so excited about a new business. And a photographer's work. And Cindy, a call strategist. I was thinking the chambers and checking on their So are you guys ready to Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know this is a lot more. And let me know that your scholarship is going to be a number of large. OK. We're going to go to the meeting. All right. So thank you all for discussing your agenda. And I have to also do some formal housing stuff this morning. But this was really important in front of us exciting because we've been doing this in the past. The law school program, we were kind of talking about the chambers art. So this is the third of the sort of art thing, just part of the 75th. The welcome sign, just in time here, and I just confirm some dates, is gonna be mostly installed in some for a second, and that's the one out front that says, welcome and 19 different languages. And hopefully we'll do it someday and we'll be able to be around that. That's how we know such an invite. So the love structure was sort of the third item in the arts arena for 75. The squalcon cyan ended up as a sign not hard, but a visual work. So this one we did is employee, uh, offer art and what the employees put in designs. And those designs have come in, because this one is art and it is going to be publicly owned. It's going to be on City Land under the Public Art Administration guidelines. I'm here to present the design options that made it through the initial cut as it were. And I'll go through the criteria. And then our ask is for a recommendation that then we'll go through the process that I'll talk to you in just a moment. For final three, the fabrication will look like the Virginia tourism love letters. There's six feet high, the bases are about four feet each, and there'll be the stainless steel. And then the designs that you'll see will be adhered in the vinyl wrap similar to the chemical boxes. The design would be adhered to the letters. Yeah, that's my question. So today's discussion is just on the design. And then once we have the design, we'll finalize the fabrication and installation process. And we're probably looking at installation end of January, February, just because of the design approval process and doing the fabrication time. Because what might be a rest of the location, even though the design question is what's before you, we haven't actually finalized the design for location. We then had a concept to city council last Monday for out product and future partners in on the City Hall campus site plan. We're not too excited about that location just because of the intersection to the traffic. So we're looking at a couple of others. One could be the other side of City Hall where we have a lot of easements and utilities, but that's obviously required access to of those to be talking to. We've our house coordinator in the practical dressing park. And then also we have some new parklets out around the city that you may have seen one down by Kevler Park in the rural house in one of the South Washington and Canada, which have gathering places in our visible focus. What we want though is is to love the culture to end somewhere where it could be a draw. And you can just go around take photos safely. So you can't be on too busy with the group. So we're still looking on where it will go, but it will go somewhere. I personally kind of like this campus area where you can live very to this part of city hall and it's only community beds here, this part of the 70s. So that said, we're gonna present four design options and if you scroll down for me, well, pause for a moment, you'll notice under the proposed motions I've listed to. And I'm doing that because I'm just bringing this to now, I'm not sure in one meeting with your president, I feel comfortable making a student. And we just got the designs. And you'll see my timeline is kind of tight, whatever, just it wasn't just in the end of the race. So one, if you talk about it, and you get excited, yeah, and you can go forward for, as you've done with the Chamber of Arts, you've had public arts subcommittee, and if you needed more time, maybe that would be a way to, still get your old privilege to my time. That said, timeline has to shift, the timeline has to shift. So I did put two motions in the year. I have structures as city staff report for the distance and easy as the person to process your information for the schoolwork. I have listed requesting two designs to be recommended in priority order. So like what would be the first one, until we get the second? The second, that request is because we need to make sure we can fabricate it. And just see in the moment, one of them has a reflective finish. And I have talked to the fabricator and we do think we can do it. But just in case we have trouble producing one, we already have two. We don't have to start the process. So with that kind of foundation, if you don't mind rolling down a bit, two, mine, 18, just great. So when we put out the call for the R, and I have provided Holly the actual call, a bunch of the voice, you know, we just see it in the a moment but we can also put down the notes which is posted. There were some specific criteria that we used. One, it needs to be reflective of what the point thinks about the little city, this history, its EVU people, its community events or any combination there. It has to be on the template, and we provided the point to template of the love letters. So we needed the part to be on each letter individually, the L, the L, the L, the L. And they needed to fill each letter in, and it could stand alone, so whatever was on the out to stand alone, it's a visual messaging out, to stand alone in the piece of visual messaging, or they can make a design for us. And so as an example of that, I'll easily get my shift into the all-in-justice that we're just going to do. So on that top one, you can see the love, the trees go across, and then you have the mountains and the clouds. And so the piece of art is across each and our eyes fill it in, or they can just make each letter stand. And flipping back, they could sketch it or design it. They had to submit a brief description of what, how does it need our desire of thinking about the little thing. The next line should be the work I do. Color palette, no limits, had to be an original design. And with no political or religious statement, that's consistent about how the art is used. I think that's the best. And the artwork would be the intellectual property of the city, so we need to be able to help. So did that? I'm going to introduce my collaborator, a partner, on this. This is Mary Katzen Chase Chase, who is joining us as our new communications director. So we need to keep you on the committee busy. So one of the things that she joined in as she saw her piece down with on the bus. Thank you, afterwards, when you go around, she'll put you all to it. But she definitely wants to be here for this project, but also, yeah, it's a journey to meet and see how it's been managed. Thanks. Thank you very much. Morning, I'd like to apologize for my tardiness. I have to prove our weekly newsletter every Thursday morning. So we had a conflict of time and apologies for that. We liked giving our focus. So those were the criteria that the submissions were reviewed at. Love to string in, but there are specific criteria that we have placed. You see eight submissions, which are really exciting. There's a lot of energy and enthusiasm around this project with our employees. Four submissions have met those criteria, and that's what we'll share with you this morning. We do want to acknowledge however, everybody's submissions. So Mary Catherine and I are brainstorming how we've been creating large involves of submissions. And then hanging it somewhere in city hall, maybe in the short term, there's a lobby like the bathroom, well from sign out, he's all in there, we have an area have an area going to be pointing towards the stuff. I'm going to add the disappointment of people getting to that's perfect. Yeah, so we're doing one love sculpture. So we did new all of the submissions were notified literally yesterday. Because as I said, this has been on a real-time line. So we appreciate being on this agenda at first. So which of the criteria is the other four submissions? Not the right question. So if you want to scroll back up for me, try to keep the bottom one at the end. So just keep on pulling forward. It's like, well, so two of them did not actually use the template. So we've actually really been able to produce it. One of them was an original art. It was a great message and picture, but it was some of the else's, this is artwork. And then the other one also great, but we wouldn't have been able to own intellectual property. So they were all in the submission document and they did quite neat. So before I go to the format, Holly, if you could just actually do the talk. All right. We looked at the first page so that you could see how an art piece could go across the letters. If you could just pass it all. So what we gave to all employees is the, there's a template that they had to fill in. And they had this document and then we had the available letter size. And then going back up a bit. So everybody got the timeline, the details. We also provide everybody the Virginia.org love website, because you can see zillions of examples of what's around the state. And there are others that are 3D and use airplane for colors and logs, depending on the locality. This one we've wanted is our compute to it. So everybody had this document in advance to be clear what the criteria were. Thank you. A little question about intellectual or medicine. I just want to make sure the artists, obviously, they're clear with that, but they have the ability to use the art outside, but I just want to make sure that the artists are being taken advantage of, I guess, by giving over all of the intellectual property rights of the piece. Could they use it for rights and distribution? What... No, I appreciate that the artists might want to own at themselves, but for the city to be able to leverage the full asset in the future. I think there would be a conflict if somebody else assessed that. We didn't receive any pushback or questions from staff on that. I think when you see the art, you'll understand that it's very unlikely they would want to use it in any way. I think that the staff member who's selected would probably be proud of it, take pictures, share that, otherwise. I don't anticipate that. Should questions come up, we possibly would explore it. At this point, I don't expect that to happen, though. Okay. Yeah, as long as they're able to use it and they're like on their website and provided they're not artists. They're not artists. It's all amateur artists. Is this city staffers? Yeah. No. My, sorry, my assumption was there could be Senator Stafford's or also artists. There are none of the many. None of these submissions were received were from artists. We have some city staff who are, but we do not receive submissions from them. Thank you. Of course. So I appreciate that. Concerned now. The city will own this. Or where will you display it in plan? So the district. I'm talking about after 75th year. Well, officially the 70th- What's the law following? No, no. This is a permanent installation. So, one of the things that we wanted to do- I'm actually, I remember this is an early on conversation- key. Is that the end of the 75th anniversary? What are we going to have to say we celebrated? What's permanent that's been a last. So we're gonna have the bulk of sign, we're gonna have the Chamber of Art, we're gonna have the bulk sculpture. So this is a permanent installation that will be up, it is heavy, so it's not moving around. So when we want to have one at watch night or some other event, we're probably so gonna have to rent the states, but this was gonna be permanently up. So the actual location is still needing to be decided. That's the one where council didn't like it at the intersection of park and little halls. So we're looking at alternatives, whether there could be something else on the campus. That safe physical people could take photographs with successful amount of room. It doesn't detract from other things like a passport or like. Or, you know, we've got other parks we've got park lists the library don't have enough space around it to actually put this in gatherup it could be somewhere near there so location TBD so we need to explore all the business users of any options we want to go to and then go back to the Council. So the cuts. No, one is in and stay put. These things are going to be not still. So they are technically moveable from what we're going to have. So they're not moving. So the concern from the city council was that it would take away from enjoyment of start buildings on the campus. That's not a concern. For the one out front, it's because we don't have the part of design yet. They also felt that that area is getting too crowded and we wanted to keep it open so you had the view shed up to city hall. The other competing activity that's happening is there's going to be a cover pipe shelter out front of the flag falls, which is required as part of the city hall site plan for the reduced parking. We have enough parking now, but anyway, when the site plan was approved, we didn't have to add parking in in exchange we had to add bikes, racks, EV chargers, and so forth. So you're going to have this bikes rack out there with eight loops and 14 bikes covered to the left of the plank poles, totally regular. So they just felt like that, the bike shelter below all of a sudden you're not going to see the center of democracy. So with that, that's fine. We've got other options. You just have to file all of that. But you're not aware it goes. Maybe you can design a bit. And that's why we're very bold to be able to get. Big questions. both do this with the public. Great question. Okay, so with the design process and the blank 40s perfect, thanks. As I mentioned, that sort of my intro, this does a biz deemed public art. We're going to own it and it's going to be a public land. So it does fall under the public art initiative guidelines that you you oversee and so we're here to give your false recommendation. This also is being a statuary monument. You'll under the city's charter and I have the code that you want to read it. And we've also been stocked in south too long and so this has a mandatory referral to the planning commission. So your all's recommendation, or go to the planning commission, they have to make a recommendation to City Council. City Council will make the final decision, final design, two points. One, because of the City Charter, and two, it funded in this third project center actually, and the end users will come in. So our plan will be today's meeting and you all can let us know where you are if you can hit the top two, or if you want to do your public part subcommittee to make the decision, our goal and hope is that we can then take this to the planning commission to subvert for the meeting. Because we are running short on meeting for the end of the calendar year and then go to council December 9, which is the last meeting. Just the planning commission have authority to reverse our priority or do they have to deal with it as our priority one two. They based on the city charter they can make an independent decision and three or not agree with you. That's a staff perspective when this gets to council, let's say they're the same, then I report a UC in site information for current. If there's a disagreement or a difference, council will see both recommendations. So they're going to be aware of the others one that I have wanted. The regular decision. Long term, I think what we need to consider in the city, you'll see the date of that charter is 2001. That predates our humanities council, it predates the administrative guidelines and the conflanchap on public art. I think this was there because there was no other mechanism to review public art. I don't think the city general needs to have this section now that we have these other pieces. That said, the charter can only be embedded by the general somewhere in Richmond. The last general charter change I did took three years. So the meantime, we're going to keep doing public art and look at other things that that is possible. Now, I use you that the Planning Commission does respect this council, does boards and commission recommendations like to think whatever you all put forward with respect, the Vigil Vale is the employee design piece. So the project is rolled down. I'm going to go through the four. We did not put them in any priority order here. We also did not put the employee's names. We want you to be able to look at it for the art and the criteria. You may have been not lowly employees, but a lot of our employees were very good with small, so we just took that equation out. This one is a community work cloud design and the employees concept would be that we produced the letters. If this concept was selected, we could use the employee towards choice or we could put out a call, her vision was to put out a call to have people put in words to create the word cloud and then we produce it. So the description below is written more like how you would put out the call or input to create the words. So the words that are there now are the words that triggered for the artist, what does a little city meet to me? It's history of people, a bad fact to be used. It's just kind of like, I'm gonna scroll through them all and then welcome going back and forth. And so, like 73 is community with the Brightness Sustainable Future and the design as you can see has bright colors and the intent is to be a welcoming diverse walkable community concept. And if you scroll down just for a moment for the descriptions that we see along with. They described, they're described the choice of colors and it helped to represent, for example, the trees in the city and our green bike racks. And so sort of representing the sustainability goals. Flowers were native to Virginia and you can see the pick potentially a dogwood aster. And then, so that was the parks and the greenery and our sustainability there. The tracks are to be representative of people's movement and different mobility devices. So, they walk in the stick welcome sticker wheelchair, like a bicycle. And so as you scroll back up, I'll probably be going to find, to look at that content. That's the thought there. You've seen foot steps, you just can parallel wheels for a wheelchair and then sort of the walker, moving in the different corners. And then as we roll to the third entry, this is a reflection, diversity, and inclusive design. So what the artist described is that the O, with the faces and eyes, we've flattened the diversity in the community now and desired. So it's the people that live in our city and try and encourage and represent it for us. The inclusively part is the other three letters and it doesn't reflect on a flat PDF, but these are intended to be reflective, lettering, a shiny finish, which I have worked with one of our potential fabricators who would produce the letters and we can't get a shiny reflective finish. And the concept from the artist is that you would look into that reflective and see yourself back. So that's the interactive inclusivity piece of it. The one-for-favorited like a mirror. Because this is metal, it would be fully like a mirror, but that's a concept. You'd be looking in a mirror and seeing yourself back as one of those community members and with diversity. One of the fabricators, because before I have to do Virginia procurement all that fun stuff, makes sure we're compliant with who we select. One of the fabricators can do that reflective in for anybody that knows sober diner, they actually produce the metal around the sober diner. So if he's that kind of finished, so it'd be on a of shock miracle, it's the, it would be a replica. And then our fourth design is a private little city. And you can see each letter here has different shapes and designs and telling the story of what the artist was thinking about. So we'll just scroll down to 998 for a moment. So it's trying to surround the natural beauty, the restaurants, you see the different few foods, coming together, you see music, you see instruments, so it's the concerts, that's the goals. And it's something that the artist loves to do and want to point colors across the floor. So those are the four submissions. I've already mentioned the timing that we're trying to give you all today, get to the planning mission on Sep 4 Council on December 9th, produce and unveil in the January February off as well. So that chair went to talk questions and we looked through the... Yeah, I have a question, I guess about the fabrication and whatever. Since these are amateur artists or whatever, is there part of a process that would, for life, have a better word, provide some potential improvements to the design or whatever is there anything like if you'd understand what I'm saying. Yeah, so I think our guide wanted that it could happen. That it may have to be adapted to be able to be produced. So, for example, we could hopefully work with my guy to say, okay, we're going to take this design and because we're proposing the trial wrap would be CSI, who already knows the trial and control box. And we've got to size it a bit, we've got to make sure the art fits and so forth. So there could be refinements. We said that we were adapted and changed it to now. I'm not sure how I'm talking to you into your question or not. We can't change it and they get more to. We're not going to have. I actually disagree with that. I feel like these are concepts. It's like you can get this, even if you're working with a designer, you can get a rough sketch. These are concepts. These aren't designs. For him, for him, that's not trying to say it in any way to be disrespectful for the, because I believe everyone's an artist, but when it comes to actually fabricating something that's going to be so permanent, whatever, there's a concept and then there's attention. All you can use, grow back up the language. So when we were looking at sending this out, I didn't think about that piece and I felt the language that Cindy had already drafted, provided for that. Now whether staff who are entered in our finalists see it as that interpretation or not, I don't know. But I think in terms of the way it is written, that we do have that. But as you can see, Cindy and I are reading it differently. So it's entirely possible that staff could not read it the same way I did. And I do think we could adapt. I guess what I was trying to say, we're not gonna totally change as though you can't see their concepts. So the concepts still have to be there, but we have to finalize the works of a little professional and that can survive. We can send ears ahead, please. Yeah. Should we open it up? Can I have any Other discussion and questions? Well, just drilling down to your conservation. I guess I would ask if one like one of the concepts but thought the color palette was somehow off muddy, you know, whatever, whatever the, could there be some work on that with the staff member? So that will have to happen no matter what way the designs were submitted. I can't go and use the color dropper to actually have been fine with the PMS is. So given that, all every single design submitted would have to do that. There was only one design which we could have done that was done digitally and that's the one that was disqualified because of the intellectual property that used a design tool in which they didn't have, we can't own that design. So. Right. Yeah, and I would say that if there's like you say, okay, we like these top two, you don't have to stop it. You can say we like these top two's with and provide some feedback recommendations or suggestions for either color or other replacements. which would add up to the planning commission and you all to decide whether to embrace those kinds of recommendations. Right. And some of it doesn't come for the committee to introduce it as well. So other questions or comments, we want to go around and start the process and weighing in on the contest. Okay, let's go here. So you have one in the closet, so it's still for you. I don't have it that way, sorry. So for discussions, let's call one, two, three, 3 and work. And it's 1 which is the word power. And do you want to like to scroll back to just for a pressure visually? I won't speak but how I can just like roll through. Two, three, four. And four. I'm gonna go ahead and lay in. Yeah, I guess for something for me that is, I mean, there are aspects that I love about each of them to be the concept like that that beats us. It is less when you think about them. It beats a place that there are the city of all churches, places, astonishing. But I guess for me, the one that has the most grimy tasks, and I think that when you're talking about public arts that's going to be a mound or for me for whatever is held on steel less. The reflections want to like grasp me more because it has grimy tasks. That's what you would say. I thought that was what you were going to say. I just a little bit. Absolutely. This, the other three, the problem for me, we've already had in the city with our boxes and the cell and Similar things to that and with some of the strains and so on. And again, I don't mean that to some lesser in any way. But we have that, that those kinds of colors and that kind of love for the city for certain things and somewhat childish notions. To me, I've never seen this. And I think this is a piece of art. And I have no problem at all. This is my choice. Absolutely. They're lovely. They're lovely. I've never seen this. I've never seen this. And I think this is a piece of art. And I have no problem at all. This is my choice. Absolutely. They're lovely. They're lovely. I've never seen this. this apse of art. And I have no problem at all. This is my choice. Absolutely. They're lovely. They're lovely. And there's emotion and fun. And this is completely different from anything that we currently have as far as I know, or that I have seen anywhere. Based on desk research, I could not find any other love's culture that has the same concept. Obviously there could be ones I couldn't find because there's not a comprehensive repository, but I could not find one that was so close to us. Yeah, it reminds me of the beans culture in Chicago, which, you know, has an interesting reflection of people love it, you know, the pictures in front of it and the feedbacks and the reflection. I would say one thing about this is it makes the setting more important because everything is for what? It's going to look really different if it's surrounded by trees than if it's on a street corner or something. So I think putting it in a place that will look good. It has to be put in a serious place. Serious and beautiful. Yes. It really does because I just I think this could well mean something to a lot of people who've come to the city. This could be a significant aspect to the little city of foster. You also is forward looking. You know, it's very forward looking. You do men on the basis, because my two criticisms, I love this one. So, probably my topic as well is one, what's's gonna be like this is a fun Instagrammable kind of thing so I want to make sure that it does that and Yeah, I just want to make sure that like the course. It's gonna be so big that the quality of The faces is Is not yeah, it's like Yeah, like Yeah, look at them which is could be fine, but I mean, I want to sort of, like, just sort of there. They look a little, which is, could be fine, but. What is the source for these faces? Do these faces have to be the faces? Or then there it is, is it just the concept? In this submission, it did not specify that this has to be a, sorry, excuse me. Yeah, I'm just a conster. This is how it's supposed to be. I mean, there's artistic excellence that is, this was submitted with these sort of, this is a representation of what it could look like. Not exactly like, this is what the expectation was. I believe it also talked about, it could be photo submissions. That's what I was gonna ask. Could those be photos? But the artist making a big difference. I like this one too. I also like the bright one in the green, but this one and the gentleman came talking about the beans, sculpture and the Chicago. The interesting thing about that is that it's fun because of the distortion that you see. And if this is just going to be a plain reflection, I think a distortion might be fun and interesting, rather than just the plain, see yourself in the LVE. Like that O could be rounded. I'm not a fan of that. You know, otherwise, you know, you just looking at yourself and it's just there. And so I think the artist and we could go back to what they were showing. The way I read with artists, but it was that it was supposed to be a reflection of the diversity. So it's as you step up, everyone would be taking a different photo because it was person and different. So one thing to think about, I like it that I think it would appear better if two of the letters were pre-filled. It would hold more gratitude there. there, so like the O and the E. Yeah, I have an idea too. But also, you have to think about, like, watch night and versus this. So watch night, you're taking a picture of your family in front of the love sculpture. on this one, are you looking at the look, sculpture, and taking a picture of yourself in the reflection? You see the opposite, you see the issue? So... I can see both, actually. I can see people gathering behind, because they want to have the picture of them for the card from like you be collecting and I can also see the sort of way you are usually wanting to use these you're very much in the picture and let they got themselves with what you can take. I'm just just a little bit of an angel out of the front. Two, you can take them out of the end. And I don't think it should be designed or repeat people take the picture. I think it should be designed because it's a great design. Well just another question. So we're looking at a flat plane from straight on because these are actually three-dimensional things that have depth. They're pretty flat. So square, square flat. Square and flat is, you know, it's going to be the thickness, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm, the sperm that may reflect the two, because you know, the O's curved. So if that helps side of it, the depth part of it is reflective too, then you get some of the distortion that has. That's fine. Oh, this one was bad. This one will not be five or six. It's a flat. It's pretty flat. The thickness of the steel that we need for stability and sustainability. You do have a back. You will have a lovely brace going back to the base to hold the protocol. So the back is not the artistic campus. The front really needs to be the campus. That said, this is, this is, so be employing me, but I do have a budget limit. So please be creative, but the reality is I may have to step back to what you can afford. Yeah, just briefly building on what Laura said about forward-looking. I like naming things to kind of think about in the word cloud option. This is aspirational. I mean, yes, it reflects a certain reality, but it is much more. This is what we want. This is what we want for the future. This is what we think about when we talk about love and community and all that. So I think that's that's important. I see RU has our hand up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Our new audio is not working very well for us. Okay. Sorry. Thank you. I'm not sure why it's. Um. If you want to call me on the phone. Yeah. Call me on the phone and I will. I'll put you on speaker phone. 202, 2007, 006. I'm not having any. They already did. I see in the chat the question about, would these be the cases selected? Okay. And I see in the chat the question about the, would these be the cases selected and I may have put in before we have our discussion. I think we're going to have to go to the other committee. I think we're going to have to go to the other committee. We're going to have to go to the other committee. We're going to have to go to the other committee. We're going to have to go to the other committee. We're going to have to put that through the cities. But yeah, it would be, that would be an interesting task. So you're on a script for phone out? Okay. So I'm on my way here, self. On the computer. There we go. Okay, good. Thank you. But I'm a speaker. Charter. One line. Hold on. That's what we get chance to be good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Because it's flat and has no third dimension, if you will. Okay. But actually, I'm answering on your ask and about with the center of the oak being there. Okay. So one thing I think we should put on the table is one of the problems that we have at Blasch Nite is, it's got the state of Virginia logo in there. And the past, we didn't put a false church one in front of it to say this is false church. So that could either go in the middle of the O, or if you go in front of this culture. Is there a possibility to ask them here? Because that could be cool. Yeah, I guess a couple of months I had worked that. I mean, it doesn't really, it doesn't look like Ankeret in the city of all church. So that was a good way to do that. And I had a question about the faces, are the faces conceptual, or would they be actual representations of people that we need to have give permissions for their images to be used in the graphic? I think the based on what was submitted to artistly find with either or the figures that we want to talk about. Yeah. And certainly, if we have people in the city who volunteered to have their motives and faces taken we would have on file. Um, how do they should use their photos? Yeah, as we go perspective having done this kind of work if they are real people then they would you would probably want to release her protective film. So I mean, I was seen by advice. And if they're not real people, then they, their needs to be an artist, illustrator, connected to this, who's actually going to create the images. And I don't think is that. But you can buy the stock photos. And it comes with all the rights. Well, what did this artist do? What were those? I think what they did. I think that they used a technology like doll E AI to do it. It looked from my playing around doll E. That's what it felt like to me. But the fact that in the submission, they didn't expect what they were putting in to be used. We didn't just call them by them on that whereas the other artist was saying like you would use this. But that disqualify them? If they used the dolly? Yes. I think so because we don't have rulings yet from from any from any legal source on that subject yet that doesn't exist. Oh, but that's a good thing. Then you can go ahead. Well, we've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. We've got to go ahead. So you could go and purchase that. I also think we have artists that work for the city who could do sketches. I'd like you to do photo submissions and not even do full heads, but you like pieces and collections like that. So that if at some point I've been thinking about if you're representing a real person, what if that person becomes someone that we don't think represents our community's values? If you only see a piece of them, that that wouldn't be a problem rather than a full headshot. And most of these were intended to be pieces of and representatives of race, age, gender, and I think the artist who's clear that that is being kept and would work with us to make sure this has set also. It's a very big six foot oh so there's a lot of space but it also has to be sharp and the finished product not so it feels like there's there's another person to either be hired or deputized within the city to really bring this into fruition to the level of my side that he might be has that scale set by Professor Aran. He's already in the police. He got it. Okay. I just texted him. Still, I don't know. The only thing I want to talk about already making changes in it. I think one of the reasons it looks beautiful is the difference between the lovely colors that are chosen in the circle and the rest of it. It's that contrast that's part of what makes it a simplicity, aesthetically beautiful. I also, even though I don't think it would be a deal breaker for me, but I think again, the aesthetics of is to leave it just in that circle and not to put it anywhere else. I like the fact that it wouldn't be perfectly divided. It would be leaning in one direction. And I just was so taken with it as it is, as it looks now. That I hope for a big room in any changes, we go a lot. Although I understand all the reasons that you're talking about a professional artist, and I didn't understand the notion of that coming from a program because I know nothing about those things, but that's, that's, would be an issue for sure. But I think that the brownish colors, those tans and the perfect colors, looked very beautiful. It was beautiful. Yeah. I don't know how you say, I think it seemed like majority of us, if not all of us, like number three. But what I would like to see is something that makes it fun. You know, where's the fun aspect to this? And I think having either concave or convex surfaces on the mirror images gives people something to, you know, look at themselves through in different ways. And I think that's fun. Just like the bean in Chicago, it has a lot of different mirror images of people that make them look either vat, skinny, tall, or these kinds of things. And I'm just saying that that would make it fun for people to come around and spend some kids would love that, I think. Can I, can I, I don't even know if it's my place to throw anything out there. Cindy and I were just discussing what if one of the letters is a straight reflection, one of them was a fun mirror, and another one was being textured so you're intrigued to come up and touch it. So all three are reflective but reflective in different ways. All right. And we have to sort of test the materials. I think it's possible based on my conversation. Okay, I think what you're saying there, with the sheet metal, it could easily be curved on the vertical. It would be harder to curve it on the horizontal, because it's not actually wide enough. But at least that's something. Yeah, you could have some short and then the other one could come tall. I would say we weren't planning to put City of Falls Church in the designs based on submissions like not filling in the O but we definitely lost the default search on the basis where you've got to go detail and as part of the acknowledgement of the artists when they submitted we also said we've had some kind of signer or acknowledgement of good to avoid the leave from that submission. These, these, they are consensus to kind of move forward on the recommendation. To the planning commission, this is the concept that we would like to see develop and go forward. And I think you provided us the legal use for the uh that's not for for the and we go down from number value just to interject one next um I was I'm trying to my mind's eye to think about the faces and I just wonder any in terms of inclusivity if we can have a concept of one of age reflected as well, like very young age person and as well as a whole third age person to that broad range of inclusivity. It's not just you know a middle age person or a, you know, that span. Okay. Any other discussion or is there? Let me ask you a second back up. You think the one that I think we may have staff like this much for this also the hardest one to fabricate. And I do think it's possible, but I would appreciate that. And it's not. That's fine. And then it doesn't work. We'll be back. Can you show them again? Yeah. Yeah. I think my concerns with one and four is to really appreciate the design directly right of course. Pretty much. And I think who wants something that works that way, but also works from standing back. So I think number three has that aspect. Love it. It's where I'm already unified design across the letters. Although I can think of it as a good concept, but it could use some refinement. There won't be their arms all small. Well, the images inside that tree, you can get them. I know, for a long time. So two and three are what you're suggesting. Let's look at two again. I like the brightness too. I do too. And one comment about number one is that I don't feel that's particularly inclusive. There's everything in English. And the reality is that while English is one of the land just spoken in the city, it's up to you all in one. And it may not be the only one later. I think with this one place is also important, right? Because if what's like the background is one where it kind of like just melts in and you kind of lose the color. What's the yellow figure? I get the pink is a dogwood. The yellow is just a flower. Three flowers. three flowers, but ask your answers in three different colors. Okay. And ask your views to be in the D.A.R. Garden, took over. Cindy, if we used what you had suggested or had that you had to talk about the idea of using slightly different materials still in the reflective mode. Would that make it any easier? Would that give you another words maybe only one of the letters would have to be the most difficult to create. And then the other two might be slightly simpler to create because of the difference. Or does it joke is it all just equal for that one? There's not a thing that they call the all equal. I think it's all equal. The question is, is there a material that we would be able to have that would have the durability? It would be vandalism, proof in some ways, right? So we don't want someone just come up with a sharpie, but be able to not have to replace the materials because in some ways I feel like the lack of defined design on these could invite that sort of thing. And whereas with the other ones, I wasn't concerned about that, but with this one, if it feels to some people like an invitation to to do that. And so Cindy has been talking with the companies that were produced it and there are surfaces that you know we could clean without having to replace and things. And you can see a little bit similar to the center how harsh that we did. We have a coating on it that's repeating food. I don't know what that means. It's not real. People can filter curfee, when we hold the kitchen, you can clean it off. Yeah, and talking to the fabricators with the meal, the design piece, you can do the steel, and then we just do the vinyl wrap. That would be the way you do the other three, similar to the traffic. Oh, by this. This one you can do steel, That would be the way you do the others three, similar to the traffic control bodies. This one you can do steel and they have a thin, reflective coating that we can put on it and put it in by the way. It's a little bit more like the silver liner metal. So that's how they polish stainless steel. Or you can do the letters in stainless steel. Or you can do the letters in stainless steel. And the whole thing is stainless because one you have to glue in it here so we need to test the maintenance and durability. If we do the stainless steel, then you can probably do the comcave work on one on the vertical roll and kind of a different texture. That level of detail. We have a few other papers out. Could Holly scroll back up to number two? I was just reading about the about the tracks that go across. So there are bicycle walking and a wheelchair. Okay. Okay. Yep. Okay. No, I'm not sure that I'm not sure that reads. Yeah. Yeah. I guess. And so I guess I would maybe push back and say I know I understand you want a second less but what if this body feels like this is really the only choice. It's your balls, it's your recommendation. That's where I could go. I would go. Of all of the four of that, just like you do. Yes, I'm happy to endorse that as well. I'm just concerned that things may be moving fast, we may be losing our chance to weigh in. If this is too expensive. So if it's a fabrication issue only then our second choice is this. So the issue is if fabrication doesn't work. I know I'm going there. Okay. Okay. Good. I mean, does the scene realistic? Is this something that's gonna be your background as well? Like, with changes of the metals and everything with Vasi realistic within the budget? I, I think producing is there's realistic. The budget piece, I guess two thoughts. One in my conversation with the one fabricator, we'd be trading off some costs and the actual runs for numbers. So if we do the stainless steel, I don't have to power code this deal until there's a cost rate off. So it's maybe close, but we're definitely already at the budget limit. That said, we have one council member here and I'm not going to throw on the spot. This is really important. And so the question would be is if we came down to the bottom line and we made it in other $500, would council be willing to? And we do have other money that for a possible year, whether us to portrait money, something like that with the battery. But then the budget, we still have money. We just change the allocation. We put these out for kids for fabricators, because I may have someone as a recommendation. I would welcome a recommendation. We haven't got to have to bid because it's under $10,000. And so I'm just getting quotes. I welcome another quote on option. You know, it's like for example, I've got the name of the company that did truck oil because they have their name right on the back. So yeah, I am trying to stay local and in the city of North Church, if but all possible. That said, we need to get before we introduce what we want and I extend the trouble. So yes, for us, we have to have this meeting. I think we can find one, but also it's more for us. And the material costs have gone up. So where we started this as a budget estimate before council that a year and a half ago before the 75 The actual materials have changed significantly. This does Dixie now do this type of work. Yeah, they're one of my prime people that we're talking to. They are standard quality but they're in I'm not going to make a motion. Okay. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion. Okay. I know that we say that it is, unless this is not accurate, that it is the unanimous recommendation of the Arts and Humanities Council, that number three be the choice. My second. Oh, in favor. Can you repeat it? Yeah. We almost move the manual motion that something is in it. Yeah. But it is. Why not? Because we don't know yet yet that's in the result make a decision the second and then we all okay well if it's not then then well in discussion yeah okay so you're saying wrong recommendation well the language could be no no the welcome to unanimous once everybody votes we can't say if unanimous until we vote. Yes, we just made an recommendation. I'll remember through. The move both there, the one's voting. Yes, right. We have a vote. Why don't we wait and vote before I make my wish? No. I can't. No, I think all you have to say is that you recommend. That's the one you have numbers. Parts of humanity's council recommends that number three is in the letter. It said the vote was unanimous. Is what the staff let it go for? What will we provide for? What did you do? Okay, that's fine. That's fine. I just don't understand what if there's no discussion. I mean that's my question. Does anybody disagree with this? Let's put it. Yeah. Let's put it. Let's just do the first one. We're going to have to move on. We have to move on. So we have to move on. We have to move on. We have to move on. The language of the discussion that discuss. We have a motion that we discussed. Do you have any, if you have any more clarification of the language on the motion room? I mean, you read that. Ellen moved that the Arts and Humanities Council recommend number three as the decision-like selection, number three be the city selection, number three be the city selection. Well, I don't understand about this. We're a group that's not discusses right now. We are. We are. Just the letter that goes forward will save you an animal's hope if it's your animals, but we've got to vote it first. So let's get there. So this is our our recommendation. Now we, she does end up. And I'm seconded by. And I said, please check. So that we can move to the discussion. It was seconded. Yes. Sorry, I made the motion too quickly. No, I should. That's OK. All in, is there any discussion? See you in a moment. OK, all in favor. Is there any discussion? Stand up. Okay, all in favor. Raise your hand only voting members. So the only voting members can get that out of them. If you have time to see my name was zero. It doesn't have a vote. Okay. And then get those online. There's five. Three. And then that's online. Yeah, there's a lot of things. Marie, Marie, are you here? Not voting for me. Are you able to vote? Can you hand up? You know, I can't, I can't, I can't. So I didn't hear the whole discussion. So I'll see. Can I abstain? I really. Okay. Thank you. I think I think. Okay. Thank you. I think I think I think it's a good yeah favorite and any opposed. The motion passes unanimously. Oh wait a moment. Wait, wait, wait. Those hands do you next, Nate? Okay. We've got that. Two. I took a last note on your feedback and we can take down the skin consideration. I just want to confirm that you can probably keep your skin for a couple to us on feedback. You know, simplicity of the other ideas, but we certainly work on the faces, work on city and false-terged for life, and both to see if we can have different textures. Yeah, I think there's going to be another process that a very capable artist is going to be involved in, maybe there could be a little report back from guys' thoughts and what people do to this. So I'll quickly share with the community for a while. And I think also, I would appreciate knowing like what the location needs to have, so I think that's the key as well. Yeah, that's a big discussion. That's a huge discussion. Right. Really, that's huge for me. That's the known sense of really good. Thank you all very, very much. Thank you. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. I'm not sure if you can tell us. We have been longing for this beginning since the establishment of the council. And I was here for it. If we could, if we could develop this kind of process in the broader scale of private development as well. Maybe not ascically. That's going to be a current discussion today. That something. What is it that would make that keep is going to be a current discussion today, something new is that it would make, that keep is going to break that, is the whole, yeah. Then following up on our discussion from last week, is like the real involvement of this council when we go over and stand by you or whatever. And that's with the council. The city council should know as well. Yeah. Yeah, definitely for public art, I think we've got a good process and this was a good that and the changes and good test on it and then it can give you all some framework for other you have it. Right. And there's that you. Yeah, that's me. Oh, I'm so excited. I'm a rock sand whose was that overseeing the visual artist at World Art Day last year who is involved in sort of making up and again this year. She and I met with a planning to make the person directly meet with some of it's the special events, look at something committee, whatever, it's a lot of various different city departments involved with big like special events in the city. So how would work safety, the police is there? So there were more than just one person. I would be represented sort of across. And I think it's a sort of a new process that's being developed after an application is submitted, they then review it and then you have an opportunity to sort of respond in person. And so we went there and we're more or less told that we could not block off the street, which was part we wanted to draw a lot of a section of little falls to allow for better accessibility for sort of movement around the area during the farmer's market where we were planning to have a visual artists displayed. Last year there was some, so it was beyond the grass, but they sort of ended up shifting down because it was better for the easells and then that even with being on the grass like the accessibility of, um, and like safety, there were concerns there. So we were proposing that and they said that is not possible based on the there's a budget for paying for like, it's a case to be put up. There would have to be public works involved in a variety of ways. So there was a lot of ideas thrown around about other locations, other timing. So right now we're sort of still in the discussion phase. One thing that was brought up was using the space at Founders Row because they are required to work with cash to produce X number four events a year. And there's sort of some money for that. But the clarity on logistics on how that would happen are a little bit unclear. There's concerns about having events there just because there's zero shade. And so the artists would have to provide their own tents to be able to cover themselves. And also the main concern that we have is just that as a body, the Arts and Humanities Council, as its own entity, doesn't really have an audience. Each of our individual organizations do, but we don't have an audience. So we don't have a mechanism for sending out invitations. We haven't really established and developed that. So our world art day was really relying on the audience that was already at the farmers market. And then we wouldn't be sending out notices and inviting people, but for its own events, I think they're some risk in producing an event at a different location without someone sort of running the logistics of sending out invitations, making sure different organizations are involved. So we wanna make sure that it's worth the effort that people will actually show up beyond the artists. So I think there's still discussion that's happening and Keith maybe you can, I don't know if you want to add anything about catches involvement or lack of. So there's, there's still in the works. That's a sudden. Not too. It hasn't been fully pulled. I think that the message was clear from the city that they don't have the capacity to be involved, both financially and staff wise. And I only get to just hold our day. I think that's for like and so I mean we weren't really asking for much we thought but they were different opinions so it's a nice thing like together but likely that will happen anytime soon. The worst outcome is we continue to do what we're doing and the farmers market on a late April weekend Saturday. Yeah. And so there's something that's just difficult to make it an art or something more. Yeah. And I think one of the other elements to this is that the there's a little bit of unknown of where the farmers market is going to be located at that time because the community center is being going under renovation so that maybe finish and be not be so there's a little bit of ambiguity there like could we even use the space that we thought we could. So I believe Roxanne is gonna meet with Holly at some point and walk the grounds of Jerry Hill and the farmhouse and see if the farmer's market is in this back parking lot because the other act, the other where it is normally is not happening, then it makes sense to put it in the farmhouse. So we may have sort of two contingency plans, unlike the actual breakdown of where the visual artists will be. But I think for this year in particular, like, most likely it'll remain just rock stands piece of organizing, like 30 or so visual artists to come and sell or work. And hopefully within doing that'll continue to develop an awareness that this is a city event. And hopefully, we can like, close it down the website, a city's website and that kind of stuff. So what about what happened for the Vietnamese heritage day and using the cherry hill. Yeah, that's what raps in and I are going to be exploring next week when we do a little site visit. Because I often get offered when we had that meeting a couple weeks back that the farmhouse has been used for things such as this in the past. So it feels like because of the proximity to the farmer's market, especially the farmer's market has to spill closer to whatever that you might get some synergy like that day I thought that there was, you're creating a bit more, kind of welcoming people from the market to come to this festival. And if you had performances in addition to the visual arts or whatever, you might be able to get up like a concentrated moment of things happening. Yeah. Attract. Yeah. I think we, Roxanne, expressed interest in having some at the very least like the musical, or as to would be their sort of busking, asking, like last year the high school bands performed, and it was one of their fundraisers, so they people are donating money while they're performing in the farmers market. So I think that there's options for doing that, because I think you're right, it like if there's some sort of music or something that's like drawing people up. And obviously signage and just sort of looking through the different options. I think the biggest concerns are just, if it rains like a few days before, the ground is really soggy. And is that how do how the artist going to work with bringing their easels also the like unloading and loading aspect of it like getting up that hill and then just the accessibility if anyone is you know if you don't turn user and that's everything so I don't think that's like necessarily going to stop it from happening but it may change exactly the like path of where the artists go. Are there any large installations of art that will be displayed? I think we don't know that. I think that will be up to the artists. There's some of our easels. Yeah, I think it'll mainly be. I'm able to get it to someplace in the park. Yeah. I don't think that's really an issue. Unless it's here here the large installation of art that they need to transport and to explore. Yeah, I think it's just the like on a black like the the fact that the ground is just uneven. So it's a little bit more tricky. So it's not impossible. It's just a concern that was expressed by the artists. But yes, it would be much better for the people visiting to be more space, but also for the artists. So again, I think it's going to happen in some capacity. It may just, especially if coming year may not be exactly. Yeah, and I think, yeah, just the lack of established, like, audience, like, that's not really our role, right? So we kind of have to figure our way through this, I guess. What is Roxanne's last name? Is she working for the city? She's a volunteer. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was getting my yellow line here. Okay. Okay. And you work in progress. Maybe at least. Going to happen at the level it's been happening and still needs. More kind of funding and broader vision to grow. Yeah, and I think that also we will, we're going to stick with just having activities at the farmers market. Maybe we might have it a little bit later or something that it'll be mainly centralized there rather than in years past we've had. Artists' chores, you know, we promoted the library events that were happening. So I think just like centralizing it is the best option as far as just making sure we get the right attendance. Okay, should we move on to city initiated public art project? I have one thing to say before I meet. We have the day of the Seattle 21st. We have the day of the community. He is the president of the Greenery Community for Maryland, he's the emerging head and the head of the day to introduce the community of the community and I am there to invite you and we will send the email later. But I ask first on December 12thJL. We have the day for weekly to introduce. Is it at Innsenur? Yes, and with some centers. We need even. And also, we'll compare to each other with us. And we will buy food. And we know how many people continue. Thank. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Beth. Okay. Okay, so a few updates. The council voted last week to approve the two artists for the council portraits. So the first is Agent Anderson. She has been tasked with creating a portrait of Frederick foot junior. So this is the sketch that she provided in her RFQ. And City Council's decision was based off of this body's public art committees recommendations. So both artists are water colorists. The background, specifically for Frederick foot junior, has yet to be determined. But based off of council feedback it will include some symbolic aspect that pays homage and respect to Frederick foot junior's history. So we're going to work with because as you can see in the background it's the farmhouse city council didn't believe that that might not have been the best representation of Frederick foot junior. So we're going to work with Aja Anderson on figuring out the background. And I just wanted to give you all a little snapshot of her work that she included in her art in her proposal. The second artist is Debra Khan, who is going to be tasked with creating the portrait of Carol Mulong. Again, she's also a watercolorist, the background for that one. Portrait has yet to be determined as well. I've been in contact with her along with Pamela and the image that was used in the RFQ is the image that they would like to portray her like this, which is this little sketch right here. So both of these artists, me and Michael, been working with, I have a meeting on the books next week with Deborah, and hopefully we'll have one on the books with Asia as well. So the goal is to have some type of finalized concept or sketch that I will bring back to City Council in January at that point council that's feedback on like, you know, if they like the background, if they wanted to eat anything here or there but at that point the artists like Deborah and Asia are going to be contracted at that point. And so the artist is not changing is just the final scope and concept. So I'll be going back to city council sometime in January to reveal that and then the artists will be be given about four to five months to produce the portrait. But the overall goal is to have these two new portraits. Bring them more like cohesive look to the council and so and we have yet to determine where they're going to be located whether or not we're going to move the current portraits that are in council. Like they're going to the founding part of portraits are staying in council, but whether or not the locations that are in now, we're gonna continue to stay there with the addition of these two portraits. Well, they're gonna be the same size, these two new portraits, so they the same size as the current portraits, and we're determining whether or not we're gonna keep the frames, like you have these two new portraits, how the same frames as the four, ones that are currently there, or all six are going to get entirely new frames. That's yet to be determined as well, but so you counsel definitely wanted these to, to blend well with what's already in council chambers, because they're watercolor, as they are going to be brighter and add a different perspective to council chambers and what's already in council chambers, so because they're watercolor, as they are gonna be brighter and add a different perspective to council chambers and what's there currently. So I just wanted to give you, and this is Deborah Conn's portfolio that she's actually get an idea of her qualifications as an artist. That's right, she lives on Tim Burnley. What are my neighbors? Does anyone have any questions for me? I think that if we look at Fred foot the background should say something about what he was and he was a robber, he was a clearly shows it has a store, Kade corn, two brown hardware. He was also the constable. He always the first elected. When Paul Sturgeon became a town, he was elected the constable, not lifting the chair. And I think for background, it should say something about him as a person rather than a chair for your farm. He was also a council member too. In a time when the council looked very different. Maybe they were councilmen, but everybody knew him. And there was an African American community in the food industry. So we have looked at bit of new office of it as well. His history as a businessman that was discussed in terms of maybe that could possibly be the background of the portrait is his business in the background. But again, that has been fully decided. We are going to dig into more of his history just so we can accurately represent him as a full person. But yeah, I just wanna give you guys a little snapshot of that. I'm glad that we have those two artists, contracts are out to them. So we're slowly moving along. And then, does anyone have any other questions about the portraits, part of the bonds to the utility boxes? We've worked with blocks. So the utility boxes, if you all have noticed, the one where we had the ribbon cutting on western park is no longer there. They had to replace the box. Oh no! Yes, I was very shocked. But in the end there are others that they the electrical or traffic people. So it was a project. So I think it's called like smart city boxes. So our city staff had to replace it after we did the work to there was an issue with that intersection specifically. It was it because that location was approved. They, the work that they did was unexpected. So now the box that's currently there is larger than what was currently there. And then there are two other boxes. The one, the blue one with the white textiles and the one on Brown's Hardware were also really used recently. So I'm tasked with measuring the new box that Parking West measuring the two boxes that were raised and we will get those wrapped and it's going to be a conjunction with a brand that's and you got four these like smart city boxes. So the one in parking was will be wrapped. Again, the artist has been notified as well that that is a priority. And then those blank spaces on those two other boxes will be wrapped as well. So, you know, TVDS to when that will be a non-tired leach or, It depends on when might can get out there and measure and create a design descent to the vendor. But I wanna do give you all an update on that project. But sometime probably in the new year, either January or February, Mike and I will be coming here to have a conversation with you all on what we all think the scope for that part two of the wrap project project because we have another $20,000 to create for new wraps. So we're going to be working with this body to determine the scope of that project, what our expectations are moving forward and what we'd like to see on those utility boxes. So that's all I have for the projects that I am managing. Are there any questions on that? Absolutely. Interesting. All right. Let's get the minutes approval. It's only had time to read the minutes for the last meeting. And if so, are there any changes at its? Yeah, I'm really going to be sure I have a lot of good advice, sentiments, and we've had that discussion about our role in the guidelines and new development projects coming down the pike so that's how to capture that nicely. There's a balance between of course too much detail but I don't want it to be too vague either. I wanted to be reflected in the minutes. That discussion. Okay, if there are no changes or edits, is there a move to approve the minutes? I so move. Second. You're okay. All in favor, please raise your hand. The minutes are approved. Let's do a real brief update on our organizations at Roundtable, one of our Christaligny. I don't think you've lived with us that much longer. How long have you been here with us? I told the deepest president that I am stepping down from the council as of our last meeting in December. And he has notified you and you. So I'll just take this opportunity to say it's been wonderful. I'm sure you all wanted one of the time to bring my neck at various times over the many years that I have been here. But I'm stepping down from the deepest point, I'm stepping down from this point at the same time. I think it's time for other people to step in, feeling very rickety this point. So there are other things to do. But thank you, you've all been so great. This has been wonderful, fun. And I feel bad, and I'm not to be able to continue arguing about where we get into the interview process but I know you can all handle it beautifully the best out. They just speak up, sound hesitate. Anyway about the emphasis, we had a wonderful very well-attended meeting this past week on tree canopy, maintaining, rebuilding the tree canopy was terrific. There was a lot of interest in a good presentation. Our tree best, as I've said before, is just seventh and eighth Friday and Saturday. If that was the correct day, if you go with the least six and six and seven, I do that wrong every time. Sorry, anyways, Friday and Saturday, Friday from five to nine and Sunday from one to nine. A lot of fun. The trees are interesting, creative or traditional. You can bid on them. And then the other nice thing is that we make a grant, authorize a grant to create a call for you. We're very pleased with that. And over to lots and lots of years, one of the collection, great call for NLP. Over there, it's such a wonderful addition to the arts and humanities in the city of Wall Church. That's it. The big cards this Friday in Falls Church had one and it all passed this page from our newsletter around at one event at Cherry Hill and that was the Halloween literary name, which was well attended and a lot of fun. I think that's what we remember folks. We had two things coming up. I'm talking about a lot of things. If you all have an attended Victorian society event, you need to do it. It is amazing because bunch of us are pretty wacky. If a lot of the way that this city is kind of a lot more culture and knowledge than anybody who thought in the past. Thank you for that. Anyway, we included a pretty broad variety of following things. Funny and Mak Makkah folks. So we have coming up on Saturday, November 30th, which is the Saturday after Thanksgiving, Victorian Christmas at Cherry Hill Farmhouse. It will be a number of folks there, including a period Santa as we had in the past and decorations in the house which only I have to get together on and that's 10 to 2 on Saturday of average to the number 30th and then on when we are participating in watch night as far as I know Keith and we are reprieving the Victorian photo parlor, which will be at the Falls Church Presbyterian Church. And we're trying to scrounge up a correct number of clothes for families to pose in front of their cell phones. That's the church. So that's it for public things, public grants. I'm going to share your vote a little Thursday. All right, so we've got to December 7th. We have our book there, but it's also the kickoff to the 125th anniversary closeout of this past year. So on December 7th, in addition to the book fair that day, the U-director, Megan.sler will be there for the entire day. She'll be doing a kids reading that morning and then donuts with the director if you'd like to keep her that day. There will also be a jazz concert that day. And so the poll event for the 125th close out will be summer 7 through the 15th. Toys for Tots, there is a location at the library for a job being off twice, not as through December 7. And the library is closed Thanksgiving and the day after. 20th of January. I'm sorry, towards the top ends on December. Okay. Okay. So with the chamber, we do have a mixer at the BFW on Tuesday. And on the 11th, just the 11th, we have our holiday mixer. Add a great of cauldron. Thank you. Do you have any updates on when you're going to move? Oh, I just reported on that. Okay. So I don't know if this is the last event there, but we're going to sell real well. And we have our luncheon on December 17th. Yes. And then we will also be at the tree lighting. There are a lot of activities going on there. The new theater here, Donna, I've been working with them. They're gonna be present, getting out there before they open their next year. Where are you gonna open? And right now, it's Memorial Day weekend, as they go. Is this at the end of the year? Founder's at the end of the year. Yes. So, the other side of the world? Yes. So, we are going to have a few. Yes, I would ask most definitely. It's a lot of those touches going off for the interior right now. Yes. Yes. And we're working with a lot of new businesses. They're opening, Dolan and Road has joined the Chamber. There's a lot going on. Mason's, Lobsboro's, Falls. in the chamber. So there's not going on mason's love's role as false. There's also a hint groundbreaking in January. And this goes on and on and on. And we've got the gala theme for next year April 3rd, Mark your day, Thursday, April 3rd. We won't have our in no chamber. That's not great. That's not great. That's not great. It is. It's going to be, but you all like to dress up, so it opens something you could dress to. Have you heard when Whole Foods is going to wonder? That seems to be getting pushed back, which my work is always the case. It's like her February. It's time for the I don'tnd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. It's March 2nd. She was a lot who's learned about her commute. Yeah, it's new. And we keep adding businesses in that stroke. Thank you. I wonder what I'm going to do. By the way, they, um, in conjunction with their moving, they are, um, providing a lot of different places. So they will be the source for people looking for contributions. All things? All things. Not your scale of money. I'll go over the third one. I'll ask, I don't know how you would take from this. Thank you. We have lots of artsy stuff going on in schools. So I'll try to get through it off. We just wrapped up Swini Todd, high school. It's great production. That's our high school students put that on. We have holiday card course, ban concerts coming up. So if you have any inclination to come see the students performing, the high school course students will also be caroling throughout the community as a fundraiser this year. Or they do an annual trip, they're going to Montreal. So they are raising many for that. So if you see carolers that you're door, right? We have the fostered education foundation just gave out all their their fall super grants and a number of them were arts related. So we had two different requests for drumming equipment for elementary students and for both elementary school schools and the middle school, I believe. So we'll probably have maybe some drum line or percussion coming online. They also funded Mark Robarsch for another artist residency project. So he was the art teacher at the high school for many years. He was a wonderful project, a while mural at the high school. Then he did one at Oak Street Elementary. This year he's going to be doing one at the middle school. And he involves all the students and a lot of the teachers in the process, what he makes these murals. So if you ever have an opportunity to go into the schools and see them, they're very neat. They're he utilizes clay. He has the students make different objects out of clay. And then they are fixed to the wall and to be a cute mural. They're beautiful. And in addition to that, we are also Mary Beth and our super intended, they're a big project this year and I'm hoping they're with that is a piece started up on the fifth floor at the high school and that is to commemorate Mary and Costner Selfie, that was the first African American student who integrated George Mason High School back in 1961. So that project is going to be, there's going to be a mural from by Asia Anderson. So if you want to see her work in progress, she's actually painting it as we speak. She started last week. She's continuing through this week. It's going to be on a wall up on the fifth floor of Mary Ann when she was that age when she was in high school. And then Roxanne Cable is doing a metal cut out of her in a schoolgirl uniform, I believe, kind of figure out the right age era for these designs. And then there's going to be 10 panels that go around this courtyard that's up on the fifth floor that tell the story, the timeline and Marion's story of what she went through in the time period and how the city of false church put the public schools and her role in all of that and integrating the schools. So we're really excited. It's really going to be a wonderful dedication to her and attribute to what she the bravery she has a child and I don't know how much choice she had in doing what she did but she did it and she you know led the way and she is still with us she She's amazing. She came and spoke to the school last year. She's really been involved in coming to different classrooms and speaking about her role, her journey, what she went through. And she's a fascinating person and she's, it's been, it's been, hopefully it will really be something that she's very proud of, because I know that we are really proud to be able to do this for her and to say. Marianne is actually the granddaughter of great granddaughter of a bunch of Joseph Tenor. She's adopted by the cost of residence who lived on North Virginia Avenue, my great grandmother of the cross street next to the library. But and she did not really want to but Reverend Costner instilled in her how important it was for her to do it. When she was at Luther Jackson High School, she was involved with clubs and other activities, but she was not allowed to really participate in at George Mason, but she took this role, as an important step to progress. And she is rightfully commended for that. I think your installation will bring us life. And we'll invite everyone here when we have the, when it's completed and we have a, you know, Brown from Ribbon County unveiling, whatever we want to call it, that, you know, it will be something that will be available to the whole, the community as a whole, as a education piece, as part of false church history. Is it really this? Wonderful. Thank you. And Katherine, I just was wondering, what happened to the mics? Did they go well? It needs a microphone. Oh, no, no. All right. Hello. We're Tom and Nicole. I'm talking to you and I'll hear it. And I just talked to the elderly boy right up here and he's gone and she's out there real quick. So I am speaking about activities for the Friends of Cherry Hill and our biggest, one of our biggest events for the year, which is the Children's Shop at the community center on December 7th. Seven. Seven. That's where children can come and the parents can not participate. Children can go into the room and pick out gifts that are all very, very cheap and inexpensive and they can be wrapped as well. So it's an annual thing that a lot of families look forward to, December 7th. And we're supporting the Victorian society and the other big thing with their events and the other big thing is tree fest me there will be a tree. It's in the back of my car. And Ron has told us. Thank you. We also have cheese. Oh, Maureen. Well, Catherine, we have the two Christmas cheese. Okay, the Christmas teas. December 14th and 15th. Yeah. Yeah. Good, would you mind if I just did Balls Sure Charge now because I'm sure absolutely, you know, my bed. I don't know, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'll be really quick. My battery's about to go out. Balls Sure Charge. Yeahs, church, art. Yeah, I mean, we have lots and lots of classes. We, one of the artists is a couple of artists are doing some new, innovative things, like quick drawing and drawing with using guidelines. Another one of the artists, yeah. This past week took several students to the National Gallery, did some sketching, and then came back. I think the current show is vivid, lots of bright colors, which is we often do one of those a year. And it looks like sometime in the spring, we're going to have some kind of an artist exchange or garage sale. So anyway, my battery is about out, so I'm going to I'm going to say goodbye. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm going to start out with Tenor Hill and one Nikki has sent me to say. Ten of y'all is right size in our programming, including the music festival, working on Dr. Martin Luther King's event, January 18th of 2025, reactively seeking new board members to serve our efforts to expand our past and work on preserving. Okay, when are you coming back? For serving with African American history, as well as the building relationships that will help to strengthen respect and harmonious. as respectful community, and false church, and Sen. As well as sharing the unique history and culture that has impacted the entire nation. Any interested person can email me at nikkigreed77 in yoppin.com or phone 313-505-540. I will talk about the historical commission. With change in chairmanship of the Fall Church history commission on, and as long as the step aside, it will be interesting. The for the vice chair is now becoming chair of the commission. First meet. We were supposed to meet today, but because of some illnesses, we are changing the meeting to December the 5th to discuss and I have four of the items that we put on the agenda. This is the recommendation for pocket parts, naming for pocket parts. Definitely the city. I'm not. I think the city is pretty much already signed with the one called. We will weigh in on any names as well. Shocking. Shocking. Also, I would like to talk about the report of the false church ties to slavery in 1830, 1730 to 1860. Now I don't know how many of you all know about this study, but there are almost approximately 750 names that they are looking at that were used by church or their members. And when I looked at the study, I saw that it was grossly incomplete. And so we're going to work with the, that's typical test, but we're going to work with them in order to expand the study. I mean they have a number of names out of society with William Henry Fissue. However, William Henry Fissue is the fifth generation that won ending in 1860. My family was a slave on the water-cired Fissue plantation in late 17th century until the end of slavery, and I have the end of the story to improve that. So we're gonna work with the fall church. We'll expand that. Is that before shareable? It is. Did you mind sharing that with me? Well, I have a copy, but I don't have it electronically to share. But yeah, that was originally by the Paul Church of Piscop. Yes, I knew. What would they call themselves the Justice Committee? Yes, the racial justice and the industry. Another thing that we'd like to discuss is the Monday's King Day March and Community Program, discussions with the city, thanks for so that we were considering the 20th or the 18th, of course, the 20th meeting in Operation Day. But the city has decided that the 18th couldn't have to do today, and that's the big march downtown as well. But there was a big march downtown, but we did first, when had our barge gathering on 2017. So there's always going to be something to put. The march for justice will begin at either 12, 30 or 12 o'clock, we we need that at further discussions to save the financial. But the program at the church, which is from a multifaceted commemorative program about the further discussion about the ties to slavery and the breakout session where people will come together and then break out into sessions and come back and review questions that got in different quotations as EM. And also, I wanna talk about in the agenda the 10th year old historical cultural district, which is now part of the top-est plan, and a possible collaboration which we're working on in application to the African American Civil Rights Network which is part of the national process. So those are some things on our agenda that we wanna try to do to talk about in the next historical commission meeting. And my cast is towards to me and we'll have to figure out what the, you know, the vice chair will be and hopefully we'll have a robust agenda to work on in the historical commission. Thank you. The Keshe Foundation, as you can tell, is working on a number of different things. Watch night, of course, is our biggest thing coming up on December 31st. And working with sick lack of effort involves the Presbyterian church, Piscola Church, the city close in the road. And we're overcoming some issues amazingly. The stage that we've been using for the last 24 years is not available to us anymore. So I'm looking for a mobile stage. So it's things that you think you got solved on salt. And let's see, one other thing was, excuse me, is that like a flatbed truck? Like you would say, is there something more? Well, it's build like a flatbed truck. No, it's actually like a flatbed trailer. And then it's hydraulic and unfolds and it comes a 20 foot deep wide stage. actually like a flatbed trailer and then it's hydraulic and unfolds and becomes a 20 foot deep wide stage and their car was around but the one that we normally were barren was a county of Fairfax and they said it was no longer available to us in the winter time because the hydraulic stone work well in the winter. I think it's stuck halfway open, halfway closed. So it's amazingly difficult to replace it. So but otherwise, catch foundation is pushing on with some minor things as well. Great. Okay, Claive Cauldron, we are closing this weekend our production of Ellison Wonderland, Alicia. And in a tiny, they might be us. It's been a great production and wonderful. We got like 25 kids in it. It's really great. So we are also in rehearsal for Madeline's Christmas, our Christmas Confection. We're doing it when we're here, nighting Madeline Nation. I thought I'd call it. I didn't call it. No, I didn't call it. It's not the groundhog set. It is hard to give up because it's a really, really. It's really wonderful music. It's only an hour long. But we have a little new craft post. It's kids involved in it. We are going to participate in the tree lighting ceremony. Do give you a little teaser there. Oh, and there's a great mind marketing and communications manager and that's this great little gimmick she's doing. She created a poem about Madeline or whatever. We have a little Madeline doll that's going to kind of visit different places in the city restaurants and whatever. Like there is Madeline now so I'm going to tell you about that. You might have some other suggestions. I'll put it on the shelf. So she's going gonna take pictures. Where is Madeline? This is the store. You have places that end with Madeline. Yes, a lot of sand. If you have places you'd like Madeline to visit, just let us know and we'll make sure that you can add those there. So I think that was kind of cute. Everybody keeps asking me when we're moving my latest nut. And what is this really good? No. We're hoping that we will be able to open our professional production of steel magnolias in February there. We're going to have our passport to the world series still in our current space. But probably going to be paying rent in two spaces for two months. Yeah, I was up, and trying to slowly transition in, but I won't be going to a OAC meeting at one o'clock and I get updates, you know, where we are on schedule, so I'll keep you posted. Do we have anything from just seeing us and stuff? Okay. Yeah, two good things. The buyers now that they are, I guess, transitioning the lots of the car lot to new ownership, they have offered to donate the things that you do to your visiting of false church. So something that maybe for discussion another time would be suggestions on where to put it. That's wonderful. I'm not gonna lose it. Okay, great. So yeah, so the question was, do we want it? I think the answer is yes. Yes, we did. And then the next question is where do we put it? So yeah, I think that would be great to have on the end. So just in the next month, think about where you want it. The other thing, I would just bring up the art walk now that we are having more inventory, like you should have were adding plaques and other things like that. If somebody here, leaving her block stuff, okay. All right. No, no, no. Okay, yeah. It's been on my life to list their code. So maybe that's something we can add to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to things that need the blacks. Or this even should be added to our industries. And that's not left. It's a good reminder, when we get these public art donations, try to cut off those, no matter how much we do. How much we don't like them? Right. We've got to capture the artist's name. Any real thing. And sometimes when you go back to the developer, they go, I don't know. It's so we've got some missing artists, and that becomes important. So we capture their kindness. Like the minutes from the last meeting. And you see what I mean? Yeah, thank you. Actually, it's easier to stay on top of these banks now that we have a great face. So it's like, okay, we should just make sure I stay on talk of them. And then in terms of the pachypher, at least from my experience on council, there was a wide variety of lots of ideas. There was nobody who was like set on any one thing. And it was ranging from like presidential names to like local names to everything in between. So the player who is in charge of that and Lee Baysmore, she is going to be coming next month to do a presentation and to get you all's recommendations as well. So it is on the agenda. As far as I'm concerned, there isn't like any front runners. So don't feel like a second stone in y'all are just like chiming in for no reason. They're really a purpose. Because I don't want to be naming them next time. But I know this three line-up park wasn't in the running anymore. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, yeah, I'm making it the same. That's traditional, and then if we all know that corner box. Yeah, I agree. That's funny. So maybe there are some names that will be just all the bikes. That's a name. OK. Do we miss anything from our online? So they've lost so completely. How about you already? Thanks. Is that are you able to hear me? Yes, I'm a bit bad. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh good. I just wanted to mention that I had the the honor and privilege of attending the Arts Fairfax Awards Can you hear me? Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, good. I just wanted to mention that I had the honor and privilege of attending the Arts Fairfax Awards Lenschen in connection with Su Chen, Cups, Company, Jindance. She was being honored for her contributions to the community. That was a really special and incredible experience to be among so many great benefactors as well as some artists being honored. And just also just got back from Curacao, which is loaded with public art and came back with some more ideas. And I wanted to offer to Mary that I will, I was just sending you an email that I'll connect with you to see how I can help with the update of the artwork. But I think that we overordered signs but maybe we have already gone through those supplemental signs. No we have extra signs. So I have the clock. I'm ready to go. I just have another. I'm happy to help you. After the meeting. Yeah there are some places where we don't have where we still have to approach the business owners that are not, so that's the only. Yeah. OK. Got one thing to add. For false recharge, we have the opening on Saturday night for the vivid exhibit that Mario was talking about. And it really is an amazing exhibit. Everybody's welcome to their opening reception 79 PM on Saturday. All right, don't you have something to share anything? Hi, can you hear me okay? Good morning. This is Donut from VeeLac. I think Haven was there earlier today. We've been busy. We just a couple of weeks, a couple of weekends ago we had a fun raising dance event for our organization and we are in the planning phase of the upcoming Dula New Year events. And I know that we had a meeting with Holly a couple days ago about the next next year, 2025 Vietnamese Heritage Day. Touching back to the World Art Day last year or this year, if you remember, we participate with a couple of dances. That was a lot of fun but once again there was a lack of audience. So we ended up bringing the dances outside to our audience outside. It was fun in its own way but so for the next coming year we are happy to participate again if given the opportunities of course. So we're looking forward to that. So we are also VLAC. We're also planning a couple of, around this time every year. We have, we ordered coordinate events to visit homeless shelters and sponsoring luncheon as well as having gifts for them. That was quite a fun raising event a couple weeks ago. We will let you know how they turn out. And then once again, happy to be here. Thank you, thank you. All right, do we have any new business? And I think given the given power to your money, going to be this as a seed in the discussion next week. Okay, so I've drafted a letter that we talked about from our uh, filming and raised the issue of um, the process. And this is a letter to um, City Manager and the planning staff. You might know that we're losing folks, so Jim's hired a city, all spotter's leading city. Uh, so um, I believe you know, with Gary and the acting team up here. But this is to outline the frustration that the parts of the remains of the council's feeling. And given a couple examples, basically the Hoffman project and Founders Room 2. What may have worked and did not work well. And so based on what has been said, take a read on it lays out the thing that we're getting these at the end of the projects and not the beginning and our input sometimes totally disregarded. And therefore unsaid is what is the RSC managed council about if our input to important or installations are not being heard. And also the underlying thing here too not stated well is we spent a hundred thousand dollars of essentially taxpayer money on the off-my- my project and what we got was for eight coins and a either the red and yellow wall or the yellow red wall into the future to our part of the complex, which most people would not recognize as art in a public art. So that's a real opportunity, miss, about getting $100,000 to do a piece. It's something that doesn't happen often and it's kind of flittered away into nothing. So. So thank you for taking the time to craft this letter because I think that we needed to get this started. I think it's something that I felt like the entire council is feeling more and more in this process that it's time to kind of at least make our voices heard Why don't you read it over the next month digested see and we can put this on the agenda to discuss and make In addition to Any thoughts Great thanks for doing us. Yes, thank you very much. So I think with that, for what we're doing, I think we need a motion to adjourn. Okay, all in favor, thank you very much.