the city council. The time is 6.30 p.m. I call to order this special meeting of the in-reville city council. This meeting is being conducted in person at 1330 park avenue here in in-reville, California. Just to remind everyone since it's been a minute since we met. The city council welcomes comments into the learning criticisms of the acts or emissions of the city council. Speaker Shauna used threatening profane or abusive language which disrupts disturbs or otherwise impedes the orderly conduct of a city council successor agency management of immemorial service authority or related meeting. The city is committed to maintaining a workplace free of unlawful harassment. It's mindful that city staff regularly attend city council meetings, discriminatory statements or conduct that would potentially violate the fair employment and housing act such as statements or conduct that is hostile, intimidating, a person that we're abusive is per se disrupted to a meeting and not be tolerated. Then clerk the role, please. Council member bowters. Council member Carr. Reson. Council member pry force is absent. Vice Mayor Moira. Present. And Mayor Welch. Here, item three is approval of the final agenda. Members, do we have a motion on the final agenda? Move approval. Second. We have a motion and second, Madam Clerk, the roll, please. Council member Bowders, council member Carr. Aye. Council member, Pry Force is absent, vice mayor Moira. Aye. And mayor Welch. Aye. is absent by smare mora and mayor welch item 4s exparte communications members to any of you have any exparte communications to report for this agenda. Seeing and hearing I received a communication from Fran Quattel also spoke with John Souter and also my as well regarding their interest in applying. Item 5 is public comment for items none on this agenda. Any member of the public that would like to make a comment for items not on this agenda could do so now for two minutes. Going once, going twice. All right. Thank you. Public comment is now closed. Item 6, the big show. We have items 6.16.2 6.2.1 6.2.2 6.2.2.3. First up will be item 6.1, which will be the resolution of the city council of city of Irrigale appointing two plain commissioners to serve on the planning commission for terms commencing immediately and ending June 30, 2027. I'm going to just see is it you please stand if you're here for the planning commission? Okay, we have three. Carla correct. Thank you and Robert and Maya. Okay. All right. This is how we do the planning commission. I have some questions that I will read. My fellow colleagues will then follow up with some questions if they have any. And we'll just go in alphabetical order. Carla, you can come to the podium. Thank you. And you can start off Madam Clerk. could you set the timer for two minutes? And you can just give us a brief intro. Hello, my name is Carla Coverubia Sforster. I'm a recent Emeryville resident for about two years. The reason that I came to Emeryville was through BMR below market housing. And that opened the door of opportunity for myself and my children. and that I came to Emeryville was through BMR below market housing. And that opened the door of opportunity for myself and my children. I'm a single parent of four. I recently graduated UC Berkeley from the graduate program of Goldman School Public Policy. And before that, I did my legal studies degree there as well, which opened a field of opportunity to advocate and be the voice for my community. And I am honored to be here and to represent the minority children and people that often don't have a voice. Thank you. And so the first question I have for you is, why are you interested in serving on the SAES Plan Commission? In your response, please include a summary of your relevant education, skills, and experience and include any passive involvement. So the reason being is coming from a place of poverty, I didn't really have a voice. Once I started going to UC Berkeley, I saw it as a tool to represent people and knowing that there's so many like me. And then I obtained education in order to gain the tools, but now that I have the tools, I want to use those and represent people. And I am a recipient of the below market unit and Emery Bill. And it opens so many doors of opportunity for myself and my children. The resources there at the Emery are amazing. And it's because of that that has enabled my children to prosper and thrive. And that's what I want for other communities. And that's what brings me here, racial equity, social justice, economic justice, and even though I don't have civil experience, I believe that my experience, my lifetime experience, raising children 8 through 18, has is sufficient enough to bring and like a voice for the community and to make change and also to think of my children and other children and generations to come. So I'm not only doing this for myself. I'm doing it for my community, my children, and many generations to come. Thank you. And what do you see as the role of a planning commissioner? And Madam Clerk, can we just make sure that we got two minutes on the timer? Thank you. So yeah. So the planning commissioner, I believe, is to guide the city of Emeryville with what to do with land use and also to acknowledge the people that were here before us, the lonely people. And to make decisions that not only thrive the economy, but have people thrive in their well-being, in their everyday lives, in the air that we breathe. And I feel such a responsibility for my community that I feel it's like a dedication to be a part of these projects. Thank you. Please describe your knowledge of the city's general plan and any other major planning documents that have been adopted by the city council in the past two years. So the Emeryville general plan, it involves, for example, the Sherwin Williams plan, which has 500 units, which is also the emery. And it consists of a park, a huge park where children, dogs, people come, have picnics events, and they're in community with one another, also the bicycle routes. And it's like automobiles, bicycles, people are all just in transit with one another. Like the bridge that connects the Emory to Bay Street alone, you go to restaurants, you go to shops, you go to the movie theaters, and yet it's a walkable distance with reduces greenhouse emissions. And builds prosperity within communities, within families. And also, I noticed that agnolony acknowledgement within the trail of the park, it acknowledges the the lonely people, the indigenous, also the Mexican community that was here before. And I feel that is a very, very important part of Emeryville to acknowledge the land and to also make use of it and honor it the way that the people before us meant for it to be honored. Thank you. Please give one example of a recent economic development or housing project in Emeryville that exemplifies your point of view regarding design, community benefit, and or community process. And please explain why. So I read really touched on this. But once I moved to Emoryville and I lived in the Emory, the park was in built yet. And it gave us a sense of like industrial, like land. It was more like, you just come here after a commute. But once the whole land opened in the greenery, it opened up so much, like an ambiance of livelihood community. And I feel like the greenery that Emory also focuses on is such a vital component for communities to thrive. So that's part of the Sherwood Williams mixed use project and I feel that it was extremely useful. Although I feel like the playground might only be suitable for younger children, my children actually asked me to ask for the older children. I feel yet there's so much, it has so much potential. And it shows an example of what a community can bring. Thank you. Members, do any of you have any follow-up questions for Carla at this time? No? have any follow-up questions for Carla at this time? No? And so the last bit, member pry force? Thank you, Madam Mayor. So thank you for applying for showing up. It's not easy. So I appreciate your voice and how you amplify that here. You talked a lot about the BMR program and how that has created an opportunity for you to be not just in and reveal but to thrive, in and reveal how can the planning commission build towards the BMR program. So for example, if cost of Hawkins is repealed and recontrolled is possible in Ann Reveal, then our community of BMR residents will wouldn't likely be better secured. And so that means not just building towards single family owners and condos, but also towards our low income community. Was it that we can do to better sort of place them in view in how we plan our city in the future? I think BMR units are vital for people to be able to afford living in Emeryville. If it wasn't for BMR, I wouldn't even have the opportunity to be here. And without having a community that Emeryville, with all the amenities, just the quality of life, we would be significantly just like an everyday thing like suffering. And just I was placed 19 on the an everyday thing like suffering. And just I was placed 19 on the wait list of the lottery and I was told I was like about 5,000 people and I can only imagine what those other thousands of people are going through and suffering and probably won't even get a unit but I was fortunate enough and with that comes a sense of guilt that I'm able to prosper from this, but not all families like mine can. And because of that opportunity, I was able to finish my graduate studies and being a place where I feel like my children can go outside, walk the dogs, and they'll be safe. So I think for the City Council it's imperative to know that these are not just numbers. These are people and every day is like a war out there every day to survive and a BMR unit for especially for a single parent it transforms, like not only their life, but their intergenerational prosperity. Member, five, fours. Sorry, just a follow up. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. How awesome to be a Mar as a fellow BMR. I agree that it is it is fantastic. But like for example, I don't know if you're aware that certain BMRs can be placed in areas in buildings where there's a lot more sunlight. So it tends to be warmer. And so those are slights. Yeah, those are like some of the things that can happen that can lead to greater disparity in terms of the experience of BMR residents. So what would you do as on the planning commission that would help the BMR program or help BMR units or future BMR units to be built? You know, I figured that because I got a unit and my unit faces the lab completely. I have no view. All my windows are the lab and I'm like, was this intentional or was this random? But now that I heard this, it's like, I think that VMware units shouldn't just be selected. I think it should just be a random process in order to bring equity. So I believe that I would advocate for units to have the same amenities as the ones that pay the full price. And I know like these like developers get tax credit. So it's not like they're losing out. So yeah. Any other members? No. Carly, did you have any closing remarks? No, I just wanted to thank you for the opportunity and I hope to be able to make a contribution. Thank you. Thank you. Robert, please join us. Good evening. Madam Clerk, two minutes. You've got the floor to give your personal statement. Great. First and foremost, thank you for giving me the opportunity today. My name is Robert Rivera. I'm interested in serving on the City's Punting Commission because I have a deep dedication to improving my community and fostering a strong sense of place. I believe that the Punting Commission is a crucial appointment that dictates the future growth of the city and ensures that the city grows in an accessible, inclusive, and equitable way. In terms of my experience, I hold the master's degree in city regional planning. I'm currently a senior planner for the city of Berkeley. I've been a professional planner for almost 10 years now and my background is primarily focused on policy and long range planning where I've cultivated understanding of state law as it applies to planning and policy. I also have experience reviewing proposals for compliance with applicable development standards as dictated by the Minnesota Code and C law. Thank you. Those same questions for you. Why are you interested in serving on the City's Planning Commission? And your response please include a summary of your relevant education, skills and experience, including any past civic involvement. Sure. So my former answer still applies. I've been a professional planner for almost 10 years. But what really sparked my involvement in the public service was my service in the Peace Corps. I joined the Peace Corps after undergrad and served two years in West Africa and Senegal as a community development volunteer. I worked with local communities to organize and to, you know, immerse myself into the culture aspect. I worked with other volunteers on different programs that inspired my kind of spark for civic engagement. And that led to different opportunities, my master's program where I studied city regional planning. And I've continued to grow professionally and work towards diversifying my experience, reviewing multiple plans for compliance with state law, with applicable development standards, and then also working to advance policy that promotes affordable housing, multimodal development, transit-oriented development, in the different jurisdictions that I've worked in. Thank you. And what do you see as the role of a planning commissioner? So I believe the role of the planning commission is to primarily uphold the guiding principles of the general plan. Planting commissioners have the responsibility of reviewing policy documents and project plans for compliance to ensure that their decisions and recommendations best reflect the goals of the city and the residents and also future residents of the city. Thank you. And please describe your knowledge of the city's general plan and any other major planning documents that have been adopted by the city council in the past two years. So the city's city of our mrivel's general plan is that the guiding document on the future growth of the city. It includes goals and policies and strategies to promote city that is walkable, vibrant, and inclusive. It includes an award-winning housing element that plans for the future housing needs. And then includes programs to to expedite objective designs and development centers, encouraged streamlined development of proposals and projects. And includes other documents that may guide the future development of city improvements, as well as infrastructure and transportation. Thank you. And give one example of a recent economic development or housing project in Inriville that exemplifies your point of view regarding design, community benefit, and or the community process. And please explain why. Thank you. I'd like to bring to attention 5890, 591 and 6150 Chrissy Avenue. I live in the apartment buildings nearby and it's a 100% affordable city sponsored housing project and it'll accommodate 362 units, all 100% affordable. It includes expansion of Chrissy Park and utilizes SB 35 and AB 1765 effectively to provide deep levels of affordability and includes community benefits that I believe are cohesive with the existing buildings and structures around the park. I think it's a great example of how the city can brokerage affordable housing development and incorporate that with existing structures and buildings nearby. It has unique architectural structures that I Or features that I think add to the liveliness of the area and it will fit fit really well with with the existing community. Thank you. And any follow-up questions from my colleagues? Member Priceworth? Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you for applying and Council Member Botters and I both did AmeriCorps, but Peace Corps is a whole not a level. So thank you for your service in representing our country abroad. So how would you define gentrification? And what is it that the Planning Commission can do to combat gentrification? Thank you, Council Member Price Force. And AmeriCorps is no easy service as well. So thank you for your service here. And how do I define gentrification? I mean, that's a very difficult question, but it kind of stems from redlining from the process of development pushing out, creating new housing that does not include all of the existing members of the community. It is a result of maybe greed and development pressures on a community where community services aren't readily available. I think that in order to combat gentrification, it takes a deeper dive into infrastructure and financing and how a city can kind of invest strongly in a community and in those necessary infrastructure and development needs that the community relies on. Member, by force. Thank you for your response and just follow up. Could you name one infrastructure that could happen to combat that could be implemented by the Planning Commission, means the Planning Commission and the City Council, but planning commission, what's one thing that the infrastructure that can be implemented to combat gentrification. Thank you for the question, Favollop. I think planning commission can incorporate policies that promote additional or higher degrees of affordable housing in existing proposals. I know that it's difficult to capture high degrees of affordable housing in existing proposals, but one way that plan commission could kind of promote and the other thing that we're going to do is we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a we're going to do a use those additional fundings through, you know, ABAG and MTC to invest in or sponsor co-housing deals with with affordable housing developers. That would require different levels of adherence to the MTC and ABAG's POC policies, including densification around transit corridors and ensuring that within a half mile transit-oriented communities, those densities are increased, I think the average is 100 million units per acre. So adherence to those policies to achieve more funding. Anyone else? Barbara would you like to make any closing remarks? I just want to say thank you for giving me the opportunity today and I appreciate the time. Thank you. Good evening, Maya. Good evening, Council members. Really nice to be here. Thank you so much for your time this evening. Absolutely. Madam Clark, are we all set? Right. Well, it's very nice to be here tonight. My name is Maya Small. And first of all, I'm mother to a 12 yearold who takes the emery go round every day to school there and back. I'm also anchored in this community. I've wanted to live in Emoryville since the early 1990s when I was a student in architecture UC Berkeley. And I for the last 30 years have committed myself to housing and environmental justice, working in the built environment in a variety of different ways. So I was trained as an architect. I went to back east. I had a master's of architecture. Went out into practice and found that I didn't really just want to do nice buildings for rich people. Ended up working in a community in Rhode Island and centered myself on community development. And working on a nonprofit, board for a nonprofit housing developer, worked on the variety of downtown revitalization projects and ended up really sort of turning my career into something quite different towards planning. Wanted to work more on the rules. I've been back in the East Bay and working for the City of San Francisco for about the last 12 years where I started as the city's first design review manager and worked in urban design, running the urban design program for the San Francisco Planning Department. And then ended up working on development projects in negotiating development agreements and working on design review for hundreds of projects, probably thousands of projects over a six to seven year period. Ended up running the San Francisco's housing element, its update, it was just completed thankfully unanimously, but it was adopted in the very last deadline of January 31, 2023. And it was the city's first housing plan that was centered on racial and social equity, incredibly proud of that work of the team and ended up at the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Authority where I'm currently the Planning Director. So I have been working in transportation and housing, I'm planning and urban design and architecture, but I am deeply rooted in public service and very happy to have an opportunity to actually start helping and supporting Emoryville of this isn't, is a works out. Thank you. And so same questions for you. The first is, why are you interested in serving on the SAIS Planning Commission? And your response, please include a summary of your relevant education, skills and experience, including any past civic involvement. So I have volunteered as part of the Blackstone Riverfront Commission. And as I said, I was of the Blackstone Riverfront Commission, and as I said, I was on the nonprofit Housing Developer Board for about seven years, and also was on the board of the Pateca Foundation. So I was really rooted in a community in Rhode Island for about 10 years and found that that kind of public service was really critical in making sure that you could build trust in government, that decisions were made in a transparent way, and that people really understood how government process worked, which seems to be increasingly difficult in a very complex environment. So I was very interested in continuing that here in the East Bay and in San Francisco as well in my work, but I really see the planning commission as an opportunity to support the city's goals through the general plan and through all of its relevant and applicable plans. But to really make an opportunity for there to be clear decision making, the more that the state has been involved with the local government and kind of interactions between these two, it's increasingly less clear what we have control over, what we can influence and really making sure that voices from the community are heard and weighed in a public way. So I'm really interested to see how I can impact that opportunity through the Planning Commission in Emeryville. Thank you. And what do you see as the role of a planning commissioner? I really want to make sure that there is a kind of clarity around what the rules are, making sure that the systems and Emoryville is an incredibly diverse community. You can see that as we sort of move towards the future that as the economy shifts right now, housing approvals are not as frequent. We're going to have to make sure that our rules are clear and really weighing those most at risk, those most vulnerable. Equity is a very difficult thing to achieve within a community over a long period of time. We have historic harm, we have historic rules. It made it very difficult for wealth building within especially communities of color. I want to make sure that we have what comes in the future in the decisions that come forward become something that really provide the opportunity for community-led process. Thank you. And describe your knowledge of the city's general plan and any other major planning documents that have been adopted by the city council in the past two years. There's the housing element was something that I went through and I would think there's probably a support group for many of the planners that went through that process in the last update given the states and HCDs rules. I was interested in looking at how the housing element fit into Emeryville's general plan. I noticed that the general plan here mostly was passed in 2008, which was around the same time that I came back here and visited Emoryville and watched this incredible Place come together where transportation housing and Bikability active transportation really started coming together But that's a long time ago the housing element is trying to weigh and make sure that we have, we have firmly further fair housing in the future. I was really impressed to see in Reville Meets, it's a regional needs housing allocation goals, which is something that San Francisco definitely did not. So I think that we have to sort of make sure that we're meeting all the different levels of affordability that we want to within or below market rate units, as well as planning for how we can really make sure that it meets multi-generational families, our family households in general. I think Emoryville has an incredible opportunity to support families, seniors and elders as well. So the diversity of who is here now, how can we continue to promote that? And the housing element is an incredible road map for that. Thank you. And give one example of a recent economic development or housing project in Inverville that exemplifies your point of view regarding design, community benefit, and or the community process. And please explain why. Yeah, and I found it difficult to choose an individual project and since I've been very deeply involved in San Francisco's process I have less familiarity with how the community was engaged with some of the projects here But some of the ones that I can I've certainly experienced as a resident the Sherwin Williams project comes to mind because it both has a very beautiful scale of building it really meets the street. There's a lot of active ground floor activities. It has a beautiful park that's part of it. But I really feel like it's all these incremental things that come together within all the decisions that a planning commission weighs in on that creates a bikeable and walkable environment. It feels that there are eyes on the street. There's a sense of safety. The bicycle infrastructure around the Sherman Williams is, I think in some ways, groundbreaking in the Bay Area to have elevated cycle tracks to really separate cars and bicycles, for example. So it seems to, and I know also it's BMR rate, I think was about 17%, which is quite high for what we probably can expect to get in the future. So the way in which you go through a process with a developer figuring out what those community benefits are is very detailed, it's very in the moment, it's very much the pressures of what's happening economically, the decision-making space gets very small and complex and it's sometimes very hard to know exactly what you can push on and what will be too much. I was the author of the constraints reduction policy work in the housing element in San Francisco. San Francisco has been under a lot of oversight and worry around that. And really figuring out exactly how we could lift and support communities and cultural expression, really transforming the design process, not about what necessarily meets goals of historic preservation's past, but really how people and cultures can express themselves in the future. So getting the most that we can, at the same time knowing that the economic pressures are very, very real, money is very tight. This is a very stressful environment to do development in. And I think the Sherman Williams is probably one of the best examples out of this last cycle of the real estate market. So it's a great one to look at. Members, any follow-up questions for the applicant? Member Price Force? Thank you for applying and for I apologize for almost running into you. On the bike path in the front of the Sherwin-Williams. Yeah, so, but yeah, you're very courteous to let me get here as quickly as possible. I appreciate it. So when we're, I remember when I was running for this city council seat, there are all these different groups that send you questionnaires. And one question that keeps popping up is which is a question that we don't ask, which is very interesting because it kind of gives you an idea of what people are thinking about, which is what are the biggest challenges facing Emoryville? Now you recognize. I guess it comes out of the whole in the House of the Lord, the biggest room is room for improvement. So what would you say, especially from a planning commission perspective, what are some gaps or what are some bridges that need to be built in Emoryville in terms of planning vision. Yeah. I think like many parts of the region, gentrification to displacement is a very serious question and I was looking at the population changes within the housing element really goes into detail and race in particular and I can see that we are losing some of our black population. American Indian population is a little harder because our population is small to be really elevating and make sure that they can be seen. So making sure that we have good community stabilization, that we are reaching out to communities so that they are defining their own version of equity, that their voices are really defining what needs to happen as discussed earlier. Gentification is an experience. Displacement is an action. And displacement has to do with what is available. Housing obviously is incredibly expensive. My husband and I are in our 50s. We have, you know, Ivy League educations. We were incredibly lucky to buy a house in Emeryville that was $800,000. I have been in the community for the past five years. I have been in the community for the past five years. I have been in the community for the past five years. I have been in the community for the past five years. I have been in the community for the past five years. I have been in the community for the past five years. I have been in the community for the past five years. you. When you are do not feel like you belong in your neighborhood that is a crisis, that is about your community, your sense of self, your sense of family, your sense of identity. I think it's first of all you have to talk to people to understand what that is like and to hear them, what for them will make a change, what for them is anchoring. One thing we also see in this in this part of the city in San Francisco as well is that when you do lose people, which is happening all the time. And Emoryville is a very position because of its proximity to San Francisco into Oakland and job centers that it will be increasingly at a risk that way. But Emoryville offers something else which I don't see anywhere else, which is proximity. We can, we have small businesses, we have big businesses, we have big businesses, we have industry, we have arts, we have all kinds of jobs here, we have medical services, we have all kinds of different ways in which you can participate in entertainment. We have it here, let's make sure to hold on to the things that keep it together. Any other follow up questions? Member Pye Force. Thank you for your response. It's sad to let our city manager go. But I remember a fond memory of, I think, I either left something at City Hall or you were delivering something to me and so you were in front of my apartment building and a religious chatting and then someone in a who's wheelchair accessible came up to us and started asking questions and I think people are going to be doing that and you mentioned that I'm talking to people. What's the first question that comes to your mind in terms of what you would ask anyone living in an every bill? Oh, that's a great question. It's certainly about the experience of place, the sense of safety, the sense of fairness. Do they feel they can be who they are? Do they feel like their family belongs here? Belonging is at the core of everything. And I think that housing and transportation, we tend to isolate these things into different disciplines. I'm kind of creating my own bingo card between urban design and housing and transportation. But it's really about how it all comes together and how it feels. Do you feel like you're anchored? Do you feel like you're safe? And what are some of the histories that have brought you to the place that you are and what can we do to help you know either change that or make that more solid? Any other follow-up questions? All right, you have the floor for closing remarks. The only closing remarks really are just that you have you know three candidates and I really feel like lived experiences and I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. being here and we will be you know committed to being part of something at some point. Thanks. Thank you very much. At this time I will call for public comment on item 6.1, the appointment to the Planning Commission, any member of the public that would like to make a comment on item 6.1, the appointments, the applicants for the Planning Commission can do so now for two minutes. This meeting is violating the ADA Act Americans with Disabilities Act because the, there's no way for anybody that uses a wheelchair to get into this room right now. As is normally the case, the wheelchair access door does not work downstairs in the garden link. And so there's no way for a person to be here tonight that uses a wheelchair. So it's not a legitimate meeting. I don't know what you can do to fix this, other than fix the door, but I've told you this 50 times and it just doesn't seem to get fixed. So I don't know what the solution is here. Again, this is not a duly, it's not a proper meeting because people with wheelchairs can't be here now. So that's a violation of federal law. Thank you for your comment. Any other members of the public wishing to comment on item 6.1? Public comment is now closed. Members I will turn to you for deliberation on the item. Vice mayor Moore. I just wanted to thank all the planning commission applicants for their interest. I was really blown away by the enthusiasm, the technical qualifications and just the overall commitment to the city. In particular, I think it's very impressive that we have a senior planner from our planning experience, from our neighbors in Berkeley and San Francisco. So interested to serve in Emryville. And for that reason, I'm prepared to make a motion to appoint Robert and Maya to the open position. Second. Okay. Before we take the vote, did anyone have any other deliberations? Member Pye Force? I usually with these planning commission meetings, it's less about what you know and who you know and now have it been impressed because I've seen some really intelligent people answer those questions brilliantly and still not get selected because of the politics. But this time around, I'm floored and still not get selected because of the politics. But this time around, I'm floored. And I don't know if that's Kudos, the city manager to the city clerk and just, you know, the staff to our city, I don't know, but I'm just really impressed by all of you. You can look at past planning commission meetings and yeah, it's not, you guys really rock. So, when I think about the planning commission, I think about who's already there. And so when I think about not just skill sets and background, I think about what are what are the diversity of voices that we need there. It's the same thing with a lot of our committees, you know, and I'm not a big fan of one person being on several committees. But one of the reasons why I'm a fan of John Souther's presence on several committees is because he provides that voice as well as the lakes to seniors in Anriville. And I like to see that diversity of, I like to see those diversity of voices. So I would say the first applicant who spoke and the third applicant, I believe at something to the planning commission that would be much more reflective of what we need in an Emoryville. And the second epic a second person who spoke they're absolutely fantastic it's not like they they aren't qualified it's just that I believe their skill sets and backgrounds are duplicated on on our current a commission. Madam Clerk, we have a motion. And a second to roll, please. Council Member Bouders. Hi. Council Member Carr. I. Council Member Prifors. Nay. Vice Mayor Mora. I. And Mayor Welch. I. Thank you to all the applicants and congratulations to the new commissioners. Item 6.2.1. Resolution of the City Council, the City of Irvail, appointing a business representative or a community member and appointing two other community members to serve on the by and pedestrian advisory committee for terms commencing immediately and ending June 30th, 2026. And I see we have John is Eric Markey here? Yes, wonderful. You both are here fabulous. Eric, you are up first. The standards a little bit different for just the advisory committees will just have you speak for two minutes and give yourself an introduction. We'll just have you speak for two minutes and give yourself an introduction. We'll do some potentially some follow-up questions. And then, John, you'll be up next. How's that sound? Awesome, thank you. Awesome, thank you. We got two minutes. floor is yours. My name's Eric Markley. I'm a PhD student at Berkeley currently, hopefully finishing in May. And I moved to Emeryville two years ago. When we moved here, we were expecting to only stay for the length of our one year lease, but immediately fell in love with the place. We thought it was gonna be Tuesday, Bourbon. We wanna be in Oakland or downtown Berkeley, closer to campus, but the community here has been incredible. And that's because of the walkability and bikeability of Emeryville, you can get to the grocery store, you can get to work, you can go pretty much everywhere you need to go without ever driving your car and feel safe doing it. And that's something I'm not really seen in a lot of other US cities. And then that's encouraged me to ride my bike more, which I think is a good thing for everyone to do, is commute without a car. It's healthier, it's greener, it gives more access to people that don't have a car that can't rely on a reliable bus route. If your bus only comes twice a day or limits the shifts that you can take, if you can ride your bike in a safe manner, it opens up work for people. And I've started volunteering at Biketopia NX six hours a week. I hope being people learn to have confidence to ride their bike, teach them to fix a flat, put their chain back on, provide low cost maintenance for less advantage citizens of Emoryville. And that's something that I'm really the follow-up questions to just one. Do any of you have any follow-up questions for the applicant? Member Pryor's? Can you give me another definition or the SAUR's term for less advantage. This is disadvantage for that's the same something that it hasn't yet done. to make different choices. I'm just curious, what is one opportunity you see for Emriville to continue on that path and do something that it hasn't yet done it could do for the community? I think making a more continuous travel corridor, specifically around Hollis Street and Stanford and Powell would be very beneficial in terms of making a more unified version of Emeryville because I feel like Emeryville does change pretty dramatically as you cross-pals tree, it becomes more industrial and there's less, I see less people walking around as you get closer to city hall and like the 40th street corridor. I think a more continuous path where you don't have this weird intersection at Hollis and Powell where the path crosses diagonal to go over to the bridge to where the Emory is now located. I think having a more streamlined, easier transit would be very good for Emory Villain General. Thank you. Members, anyone else? Thank you very much. Thank you. Hello, John. Mayor, members. Got two minutes. Half of my presentation has already been presented. I talked to the mayor in the park several Fridays ago and announced to her I was going to be here. DEI candidate on the BPAC and and member pre-forces is also kind of shared the fact that I'm on another committee. So you know my kind of some of my background. I want to be the minority filling into hole for elderly. I'm we haven't had a senior on BPAC. I believe since Celeste Burrows left the committee. So it's been a long time, the gap's been there. Secondly, being an extremely serious walker, I think you saw in my resume that I walked two-thirds as far as I drive my car. And it basically there's no place in Emoryville and slightly over the border from Ever field that I don't walk to. The benefit of that attribute is I will be able to provide a meaningful voice that has a different focus and that's where the better plans come from is when you have a variety of voices. And I think that we need to be more correlated to the breadth of Henryville's act of mobility community. So, and also, because a political pedestrian committee is a dual mandate, we'll fulfill that dual mandate. the commission. And so, as you know, I'm a member on various committees, both in the city and in the county and many services. So I promise to continue my commitment. Thank you. Members, any follow-up questions for the applicant? No follow-up questions? Going once, going twice. And so, as you know, I'm a member on various committees, both in the city and in the members any follow-up questions for the applicant? No follow-up questions? Going once, going twice. All right, now it's time for public comment. Any member of the public wishing to make a comment on item 6.2.1? The appointments to the bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee can do so now for two minutes. the building. Joining the B-PAC should be aware that the controlling document. For the the tells the city about how to make keep bicycle is safe. Used to be the are the bicycle pedestrian plan with pedestrian bicycle plan. Now it's the actor transportation plan. And the actor transportation Plan has foregone the old metrics for bike boulevards, which was regulating the number of vehicle trips per day on the volume on the bike boulevards network, and also the average speed of the vehicles. But the city thought that that was a good idea to forego that for the new act of transportation plan. So what the controlling document, however, is NACDO, the national sausage, I forgot that it's an acronym. But the NACDO guidelines are the new guidelines controlling our bike boulevard network. And what NACDO says is no more than 1,500 vehicle trips per day on bike boulevards, except for short one or two block segments where you can have up to 3,000. So every bike boulevard in Emeryville violates that, substantially violates it. And we know that because last time there was a traffic count in 2019, every single Boulevard. There's five of them in Amrugal, all of them were in an overage violation. But Mr. Bouders who controls the, he's basically, you know, who runs Amrugal, I've implored him to please, you know, find out how many vehicles we have on our bike Boulevards because it's unsafe for bicyclists, but he's not impressed. He doesn't want to do a traffic count. And we're supposed to do him every two years. And we still don't know how many vehicles are on our bike boulevards. So we don't know how badly we're violating the NACDO guidelines. We know that we're violating. We don't know how bad. you're interested in bike bull comment. Thank you for your comment. Find out how that. Thank you for your comment. Any other member of the public wishing to comment on item 6.2.1? Seeing and hearing none, public comment is now closed. Members, I turn to you for deliberation on the application. Member Bowders. Madam Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to appoint Eric Markley and John Souter to terms commencing the application on the application. Member of Bowders. Madam Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to appoint Eric Markley and John Souter to terms commencing immediately and ending in 2026 for community member positions on the bicycle pedestrian advisory committee. I'll second the motion. Madam Clerk, we have a motion. Second the role, please. Council member of Bowders. Aye. Council member Carr. Aye. I council member car. I council member price horse. I vice mayor mora. I and mayor Welch. I Congratulations to you both Item 6.2 point to resolution of the city council the city of immemorial appointing a large business representative a resident representative and two small business representatives who serve on the Economic Development Advisory Committee for Terms Commencing immediately and ending June 30th, 2026. I see everyone is Rob Fong here. Rob Fong? Not here? Okay. All right, first step we have former council member Scott Donahue. Good evening. Good evening. I've had a small business in Emoryville for decades. And I continue to have a small business and I'd like to represent the small business interest and other interests on the BPEC to keep our city keeping on. It's good to have a balance of small and large businesses for our city. All right that's all. Any Any follow up questions for the applicant? None. Thank you Scott. Next up, Frank Quattro. Hello, Frank. I want to, I want to comment about the quality of people who come to our city to volunteer and I think it's just amazing. We are so attractive and it's too bad that we don't have more positions because the quality of person of everybody who spoke tonight is just phenomenal. So I think I'm known to you. I serve on the budget advisory committee. I've probably served on it for about eight years and there was something in the March meeting that really caught my eye and it had to do with sales tax the fact that the general fund we're not recovering quite as quickly as we as we might be and it had to do with sales tax business license tax on the card room property property transfer tax, so on and so forth. And then this position came up for resident to serve on the Economic Development Committee and I decided I'd raise my hand because several people who have served on the committee I serve on also serve on this particular committee. I feel that lots of businesses left emery-vild during the pandemic and there's a lot of empty retail space and that we really need to recognize certain things that are happening right now. One is the transit changes that are gonna happen on San Paolo Avenue that are really going to affect the small businesses that are there, and we have to find a way to support those. And I also feel this is, people wanna go out at night, they wanna be safe, they wanna, we want safety for employees, for shoppers, for customers. And I wonder, we lost the Allegro ballroom that I feel met so many needs in our community and that's the kind of business that we really want here. So I think that I bring a certain sensitivity to why diversity of small businesses, businesses that suit our town and that's why I would really like to serve on the economic development committee. Oh, perfect timing. Thank you, Fran. Any follow-up questions for the applicant? No? Member Priceworth? As a professional, former professional, a boardroom dancer. What do you miss most about us losing that night life like Allegro? You know, that brought people in from everywhere and it served the needs of our community. People who live in the East Bay do not want to go into the city anymore. They want to stay in the East Bay and that was a tremendous draw. And if I am on the committee, I would try very hard to get the Allegro to come back. You know, we could all do some salsa dancing in our town. Thank you, thank you, friend. Mary Lou, you're up. Good evening, Mayor Welch and Mayor, Vice Mayor Mora, City Council persons members. I'm Mary Luthier-Coff. I've been on the Economic Development Advisory Committee for many years since the start of the America's Cup, I was on a committee called Destination Emery Bill. And ever since then, I've been on the EDAC and I've totally enjoyed it. I'm a small business owner and I have two small businesses. And I understand the frustration of running your own business, the ups and downs and the ups and downs. And serving on the EDAC has been an opportunity for me to reach out to other small businesses in Emoryville through my San Francisco and the Bay Business. I write stories about Emery Belt businesses and so I get to hear from them what their concerns are and what their issues are. And I served on the committee that developed our economic development strategy, which we're always implementing. It was adopted in 2017. And right now we're at this great juncture where we've hired our marketing team to help us promote the city of Emeryville. And during this time, we're going to be reaching out to the businesses and finding out what their needs are again. So we keep reaching back out to the community and bringing the information back to the EDAC. I've been the chair for many, many years of the committee and I just love overseeing us implement our economic development strategy and going forward. And I'm very concerned about the small business community because I feel having a hard time. And Camarilu. Oh, it's okay. Any follow-up questions for the applicant? Member of the workforce. Thank you, Mary-Lu. You mentioned that we will be sending someone out to collect research around what is it that our businesses, our local businesses particularly need again. What did they need the first time and did we meet them in terms of us? The first time the greatest need was to connect with the business community since the chamber closed eight and a half years ago. So what we did was start those networking events that were called business events and those were very successful. And then of course during the pandemic. We were able to do some things to help the business community. That was really important. All of you did. Any other follow-up questions for the applicant? Thank you, Mary-Lou. Thank you very much. This time I'll call for public comment. Any member of the public that would like to make a comment on item 6.2.2 can do so now for two minutes. Okay, I gotta say that you should not select the last speaker Mary Lou Thierry cough. I believe her name is because she is not democratically inclined. She's not her organization. She started the ECC, the Henry Commerce Connection, grown out of EDAC. Does not allow businesses that she personally doesn't like. For instance, my business, I'm a small business owner in Emeryville and have had my small business here for 40 years. But her organization grown out of EDAC with public money. I'm not welcome. Other businesses also, I'm sure, that don't meet her invisible needs that she needs to have. They also can't join. So that organization is not democratic and so I don't think you should have Select somebody for edac that had this not democratically inclined not Inclusively not thinking about the whole town and all the businesses so I think you should say no to Mary Lou Thierkov And then I think you should say no to Scott Donahue former City Council member Scott Donahue Some of you may not remember but he moved against the working core in Emoryville when he joined with then Mayor now Council Member John Bouders to roll back our Emoryville minimum wage ordinance and so anybody that has the temerity to do that I don't think we should be rewarding them with an EDAC appointment. Well, I think that we value working people in America, in our, in our Mavil not in America, but in our Mavil we do. And this, that would send a really bad message, I think, to put a minimum wage rollback person on the EDAC. And so that's two of them now gone. So I guess you just have the one choice that's left. Friend, so I think you should vote for friend for those reasons. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Any other member of the public wishing to comment on item 6.2.2. Going once, going twice. Public comment is now closed. Members, I turn to you for deliberations on the applicants. Member, pay for us. closed members I turn to you for deliberations on the applicants. Member high force. I just want to give a shout out to Dustin Durham who sent us a comment card that because of medical complications can be here to my knowledge. I don't know what's happened with Ron Fong. But Dustin does work for the company that owns public market. And I think he would be a great representative of the voices in the public market. So that's a lot of local merchants. And so I would advocate for Dustin to be selected. Was it? Thank you. Any other deliberation? Any other comments? Yes, I'll make a motion to a point James Dustin Durham to the large business representative position to a point Frank Quattel to the resident position to a point Scott Donahue to the first small business representative position and to a Mary Luthierkopf to the second small business representative position all terms commencing immediately and concluding June 2026. Do we have a second? I'll second the motion. I'm clerk we have a motion a second the role please. Council member Bowders. Aye. Council member Carr. Aye. Council member Priforce. Aye. Vice Mayor Mora. I'm going to be in the position of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of and the association for terms commencing immediately and ending April 30th, 2025. And is Brooks Jessup here? Hello, Brooks. And Calvin Jordan? Calvin Jordan. Okay. So you guys know how this goes. You get two minutes to introduce yourself. We'll potentially have follow-up questions. And we'll rock and roll. And Brooks, you are up first. Thank you, Madam Mayor and good evening Council members. My name is Brooks Jessup. Ever since moving to Emoryville, a couple of years ago, I've been commuting on the Emory Go rounds into San Francisco on a regular basis. I work at a public agency mentioned earlier tonight that runs Muni and San Francisco. And one thing that I've learned from working there is that transit is really the backbone of any safe, sustainable, equitable, and efficient transportation system. But to play that role successfully, it needs to meet people where they live, or at the very least, connect them to other sustainable modes that cover that first and last mile or even less than a mile, like biking and walking, for example. And that's why I want to use my experience not only working for Muni, but also serving here in Emriville previously on the BPAC committee, on bicycle and pedestrian issues, as well as on the housing committee, to help the Emriville Transportation Management Association to basically meet those needs of emeryville residents in terms of mobility in the safest, most sustainable, efficient, and equitable ways possible. Thank you. Thank you. Any follow-up questions for the applicant? That's vice-memor more. I appreciate your interest in the position. What's your thinking in terms of ways to improve the emery go around? And the context being, you know, this is funded by nearly $5 million of taxpayer dollars. I don't, it's no secret that it's kind of a hidden gem, unfortunately. It's relatively, it's no secret that it's kind of a hidden gem, unfortunately, it's relatively, it could be better utilized. So I think one question that I would post to the organization and to applicants is, what opportunities are there to modernize or improve, to address that concern? Yeah, I know that's a terrific question. And I completely agree that it's a hidden gem. And yeah, so I think a couple of things come to mind. One, it would obviously be electrification. I think that might be something to look at in terms of making the system more sustainable and leading on that. I think also, as you said, if it's underutilized, then we need to look at how people get information related to transit. And so Emory Go-Round does have essentially like a real-time map on the website, but there might be ways to improve essentially a customer information system. And with Muni, that's one of the things we've rolled out very recently is a brand new modernized customer information system to try to connect people to not only that first trip, but then also connections to other transit. Thanks, Brooks. Along the way. Yep. Any other follow-up questions for the applicant? Member Pi Force. I just want to say of course, thank you for applying. I've sat in on committee meetings, housing committee meetings, and I've sat in on community meetings, how's the community meetings, and I've always appreciated the way that you not only listen to your fellow members, but you also ask critical questions. And as a fellow renter that has to pay those trash fees that are really high, what do you think you would bring that's different? Everyone calls me the equity council members. So what do you think that would be different to this body? Yeah, so I think, well, thank you for that Council on Repri Force. And I've very much enjoyed beginning to learn a lot from those kinds of questions on the Housing Committee. And I think that actually that is some of the experience that I might bring to this committee is is the familiarity with housing and land use in the city and understanding which neighborhoods in particular I think need to be served from an equity standpoint. And then also I think my experience with B-PAC as well because the needs for all of these different modes to be interconnected to make sure that you do have a seamless trip, seamless travel and walking as well, right? And pedestrian infrastructure is extremely important for those who ride transit and want to get home safely and comfortably. So. Thank you, Brooks. Any other follow-up questions for the applicant? Oh, thank you very much. Caller, please join us. Good evening, Mayor, council members. So I'm here for two reasons. A, I love transit. I love transit for about eight years. I think it's one of the most critical issues in our fight against climate change and also just economic equity concerns. And two, I'm here because I love Em for about eight years. I think it's one of the most critical issues in our fight against climate change and also just economic equity concerns. And two, I'm here because I love Emoryville. I moved here three months ago and I made a leave. I didn't wanna live anywhere else. I came here to go to school at Berkeley for a public policy because I love transportation so much. I'm here to get those operational and analytical skills at school, but really why I'm here, and I think I have value to offer the committee, is that I've spent eight years as a communication professional. So when we talk about the Emory Go-Round being this hidden gym, I know how to unearth hidden gyms. I know how to create public awareness. I know how to create community engagement. And I feel that's really the piece of the Emory Go-Round that's missing. When I moved here, I didn't know what existed. Obviously I did by research because I love public transit, but I think that there are a lot of people who don't know that it exists. And once you get the buy-in from the community, I think that that's when you can really take the program and expand it. And really grow it into something that the city should be proud of. Now just feel like it's kind of hidden behind closed doors. I think that there are things that we can do with media relations. I think that we get to prove the website. I think that we can do things on social media. There are a lot of things that we can do to reach people where they are and get people onto those buses like we should. Thank you. Any follow-up questions for the applicants? Applicant, vice mayor Moore. Thank you, Calvin. The same question that I asked the previous applicant, how would you look to improve or modernize the emery go around? And I appreciate you already addressing the hidden gem aspect. So just to clarify, are we talking operationally? So the context being the $5 million budget taxpayer dollars, how do we make sure the taxpayers are getting better bang for their buck there? Well, I think it starts with informing the taxpayers that they do have their service available, that they should be taken advantage of it whenever they can. I think you then collect data on it, and you go and you show the city that, hey, we have this thing that's really valuable on these set of metrics that we can figure out together. But I think it really is prioritizing the communication and prioritizing that information sharing because that's not happening. If people have to seek out the value of a program, that's not really a win-win for the city. And what about operationally? Operationally, I think that they're... So I live and Bayview apartments, so it's very far north end of the city. And so I often take them around all the way to MacArthur to get around. There's sort of a disconnect between the west and the east sides of the city, especially like where I am, you kind of have to walk at least 10 or 15 minutes to get places. And so bridging those last miles I think operationally would be really important. So people know that they don't have to walk so far, maybe in the heat, maybe when they just have something quick to do, and they know that it's there and it's accessible to them. Thank you. Any other follow-up questions for the applicant? Council member Carr. Thank you, Calvin, first for your enthusiasm. Have you served on any other committees on the City of Emeryville? No. OK. All right. Can I ask Brooks that question? I'm sorry. Yes, he said he's on the housing from what I understand. I'm impressed by the credentials. So but thank you for answering any other follow up questions. Remember, pry force. Calvin, I just want to share how much I appreciate your communication background and that your background is something that any committee that we have in EnriVille, I think communication is something that is in terms of what infrastructure affects every aspect of Emory Bill from you know the core our core staff to the committees to city council there is We could do a much better job communicating Through our Emory Bill and so I so I I appreciate That you bring that That background So I appreciate that you bring that background. What do you believe, what are we currently communicating from the go round to the public? Like what do you think, and that can go across brand marketing, that can go across as you know, operationally, what do you think we communicate? Like what are we saying about our emery go round to residents and guests and workers in emery go? I think on our broad level, what we're saying is that the city is offering this service that we know as a value to our residents, to we're saying is that the city is offering their service that we know is a value to our residents, to the people who work in our city and that we care. I think overall that you want. The people don't know that you care about them and that you're looking out for their best interest. What flows from that is that we care about you by connecting you on that last mile from your home, from your placement employment, whatever it might be, so that you can get to where you got to go because ultimately we're all people and you have to do things that you have to do. I think it's being very upfront that we recognize transportation is a necessity and that we want to help you in achieving and getting the things that you need for that necessity. Really that's what it is. I mean we have this $5 million because we're trying to connect people around our city trying to show them that you can come in Emoryville. You can have a great life. You can have a great career. And you don't have to have a card to do it. Right. Thank you, Gavin. call for public comment on item 6.2.3. Any member of the public that would like to comment on item 6.2.3 can do so now for two minutes. Hi, I'm back again. I just want to mention that I think with this go round, there has to be some better communication with Bart. The location under the freeway is totally dangerous, particularly at night. This hasn't been addressed over years, and the signage is just atrocious. The signage throughout the system, the signage under the MacArthur freeway, again, atrocious at the signage at West Oakland Bar. So I think there's a huge bar connection that Council and the Committee have to pay attention to. And then also the signage issue. Thank you for your comment. Okay, so they talk about the last mile here with the transportation applicants and So that commonly involves the last mile commonly involves bicycling. A lot of times bikes are put on buses and then people bicycle the last mile because they don't want to walk in the rain or whatever and that, you know, it's cold or whatever. They're just instead of walking the last mile, a lot of times people want to bicycle. So in so far as that's true, and it is true, I think these applicants here tonight should pay heed to what I said before it warned about how bicyclists are put in harm's way on our bike boulevard network and that's there that's according to the new act of transportation plan backed by NACTO, which says no more than 1500 vehicle trips per day. gross violation of that and the city has not addressed that. The city is as flying blind because they don't even, they're not conducting the traffic counts to see how badly they're doing on it. And it's probably because they don't, you know, worried about optics and narrative. And so I don't care about optics and narrative. I care about bike safety. And so I think the applicants would be wise to, you know, if they really care about safe transportation to write a letter to the council. Say that you care about this and that the bike pool of our network should be safe for bicycling, we should follow the NACDO guidelines as pointed out in the Act of Transportation plan. Thanks. Thank you for your comment. Any other members wishing to comment on item 6.2.3? Thank you very much. Public comment is now closed. Members, I turn to you for deliberation. Member Pyeforce. Sorry, Madam Mayor. I give a confused when you said members. So yeah, I remember getting into a conversation social media wise with you, Fran, about the signs. And I agree that at MacArthur Barrett, sometimes it could be a treasure hunt of trying to figure out, okay, does the memory go around? Is it safe? Is it where is it going? That sort of thing. I mean, even as something as actively displaying a painted map on the bus itself to get people an idea of what the route is. And there's little things that I think really capture our need to communicate well all throughout our city services, but definitely with the memory go around. I think sometimes we communicate that just be glad we're running, it's free and we're nice. And I think that it could be more than that. And I like what you said about that last mile. And I agree with one of the speakers about, as much as we say that we're very, so I guess pro-bike in Emoryville, there aren't really a lot of attachments to Emory go around to their favors, a cyclist, particularly cyclists on e-bikes. I mean, even applicants for their, for what they shared. And yeah, and I'm leaning towards, because of the communication needs, I'm leaning towards Calvin. And I respect Brooks qualifications. And I'm glad that he is also serving on the housing committee. I think that would create a little more, get some new fresh faces in. Thanks. Would you like to make a motion? I will make the motion if councilmember pry first. I'm making the motion. Oh, one minute. I just wanted to say I do think both candidates would bring fresh ideas to the community. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I'm making the mish. Oh, one minute. Vice Mayor Moore? I just wanted to say I do think both candidates would bring fresh ideas to the Emory Go-around program, the UTMA. But I do think Brooks Jessup's experience on the other committees, I think that helps provide additional insight into the city and context for his decision making there, which is why I would like to propose putting Brooks Jessup as appreciate your interest and I would love to see you apply for other committees within the city. Member Carr. Is that a motion? I'll make that motion. Yeah, I would like to make a substitute motion to appoint Calvin because even though I respect Brooks's extensive experience, I think it would be a little unfair to keep encouraging someone to apply to other committees when someone already is serving on a committee. I would like to give Calvin the chance while respecting Brooks's immense experience and thanking him for his service on the housing committee. I think that your experience is very well suited to that. But I would very, very much like to give Kelvin a chance. Now there is one opening to see his level of service and commitment. I just have a point of clarification. Well, two points. I think we do need a second for the. For my motion, but I want I think it's important to make a distinction between the city committees and the. I think it's important to make a distinction between the city committees and the board for the Emoryville Transportation Management Agency. So that's not a city committee. So I just wanna make that distinction. I appreciate that. So I will second vice mayor Morris motion. And so Madam Clerk, the role please. We have a point of order. Sorry. Point of order. Sorry. Yes, please. So I heard vice mayor Maura made a motion. There was a substitute motion that's out of procedure because there's no second. But now you've made a second to his motion. Yes. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I'm going to ask you a question that Vice Mayor Moore made a motion. There was a substitute motion that's out of procedure because there's no second, but now you've made a second to his motion. Yes. Okay, so the question I would just ask is is there now a substitute motion or are you have you called for any other motions or that's it because I heard make the substitute motion now then in that case. Now that there is a second, I will make my substitute motion to appoint Calvin, Joan, Jordan to the Inriville Transportation Management Association. Here we have a second. A second. A substitute motion. Madam Clerk, the role, please. So on the substitute motion, Council member Bouters. Aye. Council member Carr. Aye. Council member Priforce. Aye. Vice Mayor Moira. Aye. And Mayor Welch. Aye. Motion carries. Congratulations. General Clerk, the time is 57 p.m. and this meeting is adjourned.