the meeting. This meeting is being recorded. All right. We'll go ahead and have the item F, my special meeting city attorney report from Cossession. Thank you Mayor Pro Tem. There is no reportable action from Cossession. All right. And with that, the special meeting is adjourned. And I'm going to go ahead and call the order. The April 3rd, 2025 meeting of the Sanger City Council is now called to order at 6.08pm. Under the Brown Act, government code section 54953, subsection C, subsection 2, the legislative body of a local agency, so a public report, any action action taken and the vote or abstention on that action of each member present for the action. We'll go ahead and go to item B which is opening ceremonies. The invocation today will be done by Pastor Paul Kennedy. We'll do the flag salute and then we'll have a roll call. Would please stand. Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we're here because we care so much about the city God. And we know that you do too. We know that you love the city of Sanger that you look over the city of Sanger God. So we ask for your blessing upon those who do the same. For those who protect the city, for those who govern the city, for those who have the best interest of the city at heart. Thank you so much for that, God. God, we ask for your blessing upon this meeting and that everyone today feels heard and honored and we thank you for those who are being honored to day God. And would you just again bless it in Jesus name, amen. Please join me in the flag salute, ready salute. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, the indivisible liberty and have roll call. Councilmember Montolongo. Here. Councilmember Melinda. Here. Mayor Gonzales. Mayor Proto-Martinas. Here. And Councilmember Fattado. Here. Thank you. We're going to go to item C, agenda approval, additions and or deletions. Mayor Proto and we'd like to move presentation E3 to the next scheduled council meeting. The city engineer is unable to attend tonight. Okay. Anyone else? Okay. All right. I'll go ahead and accept the motion to prove the agenda with the exception of item E3. I'll go. I'll second. It's kind of motion by Councillor Melinda and the second by Councillor Montolongo. All those signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All right, Mr. Passes. We'll go ahead and go to item D ceremonial matters and we'll go start with number two we'll go and just do item number one recognition of Jesse Vazquez I might know the mayor isn't is running late today so he went ahead and ask me to go ahead and say a few words Go ahead and present a few words for Jesse Vazquez Jesse Vazquez has been married to his wife Sally for 55 years. They have three children and eight grandchildren Jesse was born born and raised in Sanger, where he attended Sanger, unified schools, graduating from Sanger High School in 1965. He has worked for a total of 52 years in the federal government, spending seven years with the IRS and 45 years at the United States Postal Service as a retail associate in the Sanger Office. Jesse has also enjoyed serving on the Parks and Recreation Commission for two years and the Sanger Planning Commission for another two years. He has been a board member for the Sanger Unified School District since 1998. stated that his favorite part of working at the Sanger Post Office was the annual Christmas party where all the employees gather to celebrate. As he prepares for retirement, he recognizes that this is a time to step back as his body has been signaling him that it's time. He looks forward to spending more time with this family, have encouraged him to retire for years, and he is exciting about going fishing. Although he is eager for this new chapter, Jesse will miss his customers and co-workers. So, surely great. That's not true. I'm sure we've had that. I'm sure we've had that. I'm sure we've had that. I'm sure we've had that. You want to say a few words? You want to say a few words. Come on up, Jesse. It's going to be weird not seeing you at the post office. I mean, boy, since I was in high school, I was there. Well, I want to thank the city of Sangha for this recognition. It is great to appreciate it. And sorry for the mayor being absent today. But thank you all, turn it over to councilmember Huttado. Okay. I would like to invite up, Marie Godman, up to the front. She was nominated as woman of the year last month during our reception and I just have a certificate of recognition and also a plaque to present to her on behalf of the Singer City Council. Marie, do you want to say anything? Yeah, I wrote a little speech. Let's go. Sorry. Okay. I wrote it like 10 minutes ago, so bear with me. I am truly humbled and grateful to be standing here today as this year's Women of the Year. Thank you for this honor. This award isn't just about me. It reflects the strength and resilience of many women who have paved the way before me and the incredible women that I have the privilege of working alongside every day. I want to thank my family, my friends, and my mentors with for all their love and their encouragement. None of this would be possible without them, so this honor is for all of them as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Please. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. One more? Please. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We will go ahead and go to item E. We have several presentations tonight. We'll go in to start with item one. The Sanger Chamber of Commerce will today? Good. Wonderful. Okay. So the updated one? Yeah. OK. My head's been semi-attached as it's been a crazy three months. And thank you for seeing me today. So let's get started. So we're going to be reporting on January 3, March. And we are going to start start and we're going to cover these events. So we had a human trafficking event over at a town hall. We had a blossom trail opening ceremonies. We also helped with the Center for Community Transformation Roundtable, the Blossom Trail Best Tour, Blossom Days Festival on Car Show, our inaugural timber of commerce women's history month celebration and obviously our ribbing cuttings and mixers. So let's start with this singer town hall on human trafficking and this is a collaboration that we've been helping council member Montolongo with these town hall meetings that he's been having in his district. And it's obviously not just for his district. It is all for the entire city. We did one while back that was on fentanyl. And now he did one. We did one on human trafficking. And we just kind of help collaborate with him and, you know, do some of the logistical things and help with that. This was a great, great experience. There was over 175 people in attendance. Obviously hosted by our council member. We had expert speakers there and we were able to bring out a message of, you know, see something, say something. you know and they were able to talk to the kids about you know what was the message and how to you know what what to see. They're going to get some raffles for the kids they were given like prom tickets for both Sanger High and Sanger West. I know that it's not just the city we always have to think about the district wide and asage was out there so they put it on their New station so people can rewatch it and it was a collaborative effort like we said, but it was between not only between Councilmember Montalango, but it was the Chamber of Commerce and the St.Gersey And oh look at there. We have a city manager was there, along with Mayor Pro Tem and Councilwoman Melinda. And now here is the fun one. So, not that that wasn't fun, it was a serious subject. We had our Fresno County Laws and Trail opening ceremonies. So I believe all of you were out there that day. And obviously it was planned and executed by the team group commerce. And it was, I mean, every little detail, if you guys were out there, you saw how we paid attention down to like, what flower was put where it was Amazing unforgettable for every single person that attended and I want I am gonna both it was record breaking success Because up to this day I was talking to the mayor about a couple weeks back and he ran into Supervisor Mendez and he's still talking about this event and how Sanger has set the bar once again on this. And when we did it five years prior to, we had set the bar and now we did it again. And so I'm so proud that we're able to do this for a city and every time we deliver and not only Sanger did it, but it wasn't just that Supervisor Mendez had this, but the other chambers were saying, man, you guys did a great job. And they're asking us if we can help them do this when it's their turn because now they want to do it, right? But what we're not gonna help them they can figure it out because nobody helps us we have to be creative ourselves and not that I mean or anything but I always want to be the best. Okay and then we went ahead we started helping Fresno Pacific University they have this the Center for Community Transformation. And they reached out to us because they wanted to do this round table. And it's kind of an interesting project. It is faith-based and they come out to the cities and they're doing it in all the rural communities. And it's about getting people educated and helping them to be able to manage their businesses, getting their businesses started, and kind of figuring out what tools are necessary. What tools are needed in your community, whether it's finances, social media, what kind of marketing do they need to know what need like for their businesses, how to manage their businesses, it's all kinds of things from, you know, like aligning, like it's just amazing what they do, they give out grants, all kinds of training, you name it. We have a local story here and I don't know if you've seen Fadi Tha from Royal photo booth and she's been out quite a few of our events and you've seen her around and she went through the Entrepreneurship program through them and they give out scholarships for that and so she's one of the success stories with them so that's why it was kind of a great partnership that we've been doing with this program and So now we've gone on to the second phase so we went we had the roundtable and now we went out and they did a social media and marketing class for everyone and that had quite a bit of people there So it's about business and economic economic development and education and it's for pretty much everybody, not only business, but nonprofit and civic organizations. So, been doing that. And then moving on, the fun bus, the Blossom Trail bus tour. I mean, what can I say about this? That hasn't been said over and over again. It was a sold out bus and you know, we get to take people on our beautiful Blossom Trail, which we always get to capture at the perfect time. What I love is we also, we have this repeat customers year after year, and then we get new people. We had this one girl that came specifically flew down just to go on the bus and she was from Seattle, Washington. We get to tour all our local wineries and breweries and what we've been noticing is like, you know, why do we do this tour? What do we draw out of it? Because you know, not only do we talk, you know, like to learn about what we have here, but it's, you know only wine lovers, beer enthusiasts, things like that, but it does support our local economy and small businesses. People come back and that's what a lot of people tell us is, and especially our wineries and our breweries always say, you know, we get repeat customers. We get people that come from out of town and then they come back on the weekends and they bring their friends and families to this. So it does stimulate our economy. So even though it's eight hours of fun, it's also then draws people back that come, you know, that come back on different weekends. And this year we noticed something kind of funny and cute. Are itinerary got leaked. This is how popular this has become. Our itinerary got leaked, and somebody was, we had like a caravan of people following our bus. And so they were like on the tour, but not on the tour. So next year's gonna be top secret. We're gonna put a fake itinerary on and then we're gonna change it the next day before. Okay, then after that we had our blood. Wait, how much is my time? What am I on time? I feel like I'm talking so much. Blossom days festival and car show. I'm gonna go faster now. That you guys know was fun. We had so many cars, so much food, so many things going on. And this has been just expanding near after year. We had great weather. We were scared about the weather, but it didn't fail us. We had just a little bit. I think we had just about 300 cars this year. Lego master Competition. This is a Weber Realty's fourth year sponsoring this event and putting it together. They're in full force just going strong on that and the Bible Church does an amazing job with the Lego Master's Competition. The first year we did the Lego Master's Competition, we in a Sam Gutierrez Park, and there was 20 entries. And to see where that has gone, it's just amazing. Oh my God, okay, and this is my favorite, and please just set me up if I talk to much. We did our inaugural, like, little chamber women's history month celebration. And when I started diving into this, it was just mind boggling the things that we got to learn about the women of singer. And councilwoman Melendez got to go and I walked through the past and got to see just the pioneers of Sanger and how amazing we were. I mean, it was spectacular. I was listening to the little speech that the woman of the year just gave and to think about what they are and how we become and it is. like their stories remind us that understanding our path isn't just a memory. It's the foundation for stronger features and how to find out that the first softball team, right? The first women softball team in all of Fresno County was from where? Finger, right? And who was working and who was working before Rosie the Riveter people were out and we were here in finger, right? I mean there were so many amazing facts that we found out about the women in finger that the women here in finger have been trailblazers and so that was was so important to me was to get that message out about the women of Sanger that have been paving the way for many, many years prior to what the whole other, the country has portrayed to be. And so that was such a proud moment for us. Okay. Ribbon and cuttings and mixers, we did two ribbon cuttings and no, two ribbon cuttings in February. And one mixer and then one ribbon cutting and one mixer in March. So you guys were there, we did these blooming butterflies and Melinda Dierla. That was great. And Melinda Dierla, the reason why we did the ribbon cutting that day was because they never had an official ribbon cutting and it was their anniversary and they moved when they moved in during COVID and they wanted to finally have an official ribbon cutting. They did all that amazing mural work inside their building. They just renovated it completely and it was time for for them to finally do it and so that was fantastic. And then we did a surf through a ribbon cutting and then grocery outlet. We had a mixer there and we're going to be doing an official ribbon cutting for grocery outlet in November. She's going to be celebrating her two years. Really quickly, financial reporting for events in January through March. Boston Trail opening ceremonies, okay, when you have to do something with a huge, huge bang, it cost a lot, a lot of money. Luckily, we came through, we had a great spot, we had some sponsorships, because that's not a normal budgeted line item because it's not something you do every year. You do it every five years, so you have to have people come in and help you with that. Oh, that came across really, really weird when it closed. Sorry. Um. You do it every five years so you have to have people come in and help you with that. Oh, that came across really, really weird when it closed. Sorry. We had $7,200 that were donated and then we had an additional sponsorship come in after this report was the financial records were closed. It cost us $9,200 to put that event together, so we were negative on that event. The BLOCKSEN trail bus tour costs us $6,700, $6,073 to put on. And we came in $211, I'm sorry, we revenue it $6,073. $7,073. It cost us $2,141 and we made $6,073. It costs us $2,141 and we made $3,933. The Boston Trail Festival and Car Show, we have not closed the financials on that. Everything is still coming through. So we don't have an accurate portrayal on that, but I just wanted to show you that we are working on that. And the women's celebration obviously, there's no money. We just cost us $300 for the hors d'oeuvres and things that we did working on that. And the women's celebration obviously, there's no money. We just cost us $300 for the, or derives and things that we did serve that day. Okay, we have upcoming events. We have our 100 annual community awards banquet. I have your tickets here. I'll hand them over. You can pass those out, for those that have not received them yet. It is up at Wonder Valley. I'm so excited. I'm going to look so beautiful. So you guys better take your pictures with me. Sorry. I'm excited. That is this Saturday. I hope to see you there. Five or a little bit later, but don't be there any later than six thirty. But these be there at 5.30, so I'm nice and fresh, so we can take really good pictures, okay? And then on the 15th, we're having a mixer, and then we have mixtures every third Tuesday of the month. We don't have the complete schedule finalized yet, but we are gonna be moving our street fairs every month from May through September. And September, we're going to be finalizing with our big Hispanic heritage celebration. And then you guys know this slide. I didn't change anything. It's what we do for our business outreach is ongoing, nothing changes, and do you have any questions? Sorry, that was probably way longer than 10 minutes because it felt like an eternity. I'm so sorry, audience. Thank you, Karen, for the update and the presentation. Those photos that you have, I mean, the weather for all your events, I don't know how you do it, but it's always perfect. Me and you have a good conversation. That's why I have big hair. It's bigger than hair than the closer to God. But yeah, perfect weather, great events, and looking forward to the chamber. Tickets are still available to the chamber bank. We have eight seats. Eight seats. There you go, folks. So if you haven't got your tickets yet, make plans and get them. You can take a picture with me, I'll do all that. Alright. Awesome, thanks. Does any council members have any questions or any comments? I just want to say thank you, Karen, for involving all our community and everything you do for our community. Good job. Thank you, Ross, Daniel, and work and appreciate the partnership that we have with the M-town House. I love those town halls. I mean, they've been very instrumental in like getting the community aware of the things that we do. Thank you, Karen. Thank you. Thank you. All right. We'll go and go to our next presentation. This is item number two. Our H builders will be giving us a presentation. So good evening mayor and council members. I believe it's Andrea, correct? Katie. Katie, oh, Katie, I met somebody else. So anyway, our age community builders came in and met with our community development department, then scheduled to follow up interview with my conversation with myself. So they are looking at saying or to potentially come in and do some business and they just wanted to have a few minutes of their time to introduce themselves and their product to the Council and our community. Thank you. Thank you, City Manager. And thank you, City Council, for the time this evening. My name is Katie Wilber. the Executive Director, RH Community Builders, and joining myself tonight is our President Brad Hardy and our Development Director, Leslie Alvarado, as well as some of our partners from Fresno County, Amina Flores-ores Becker and Dylan McCulley from the County administrative office and Aula Yang from the Department of Behavioral Health So a little bit about our age community builders We have been in the Central Valley providing affordable housing and Specializing in permanent supportive housing as well as partnering with cities and counties to provide permanently affordable housing that supports the needs of Communities in the county we specialize in working with the Fresno, Madera continuum of care to meet the needs and we have partnered with upholdings Who is a developer that has roots in the Central Valley and has done development throughout the Midwest as well. And then we have created together a partnership community holdings management that provides all of the property management at our properties after we have completed development. The one benefit to that is that we have a vested interest in the ongoing performance of the properties as owners and operators. We want to make sure that we have the best products and always strive to be the best community partner that we can at each of our developments. So just a little bit about our leadership. We are led by our president Brad Hardy and our executive chief executive officer Wayne Retledge and then myself as the executive director and the leadership of upholdings is Jessica Burzac and Colin Davis, who are our partners in most of our developments. We came together during the 2020 COVID crisis, of course, as everybody remembers, there was a lot of new affordable housing opportunities, and we saw an opportunity to bring our partnership and our specialties together to work quickly and provide a fast access to affordable housing throughout the Central Valley since 2020 we have partnered to bring more than 500 units online stretching from Modesto to Tulare and a lot in Fresno County We have historically been working on either vacant lots or underutilized properties within the communities and so a lot of motels that were no longer serving a great purpose in the community and taking those to revitalize them and making sure that they were now an asset to the community instead of a drain on community resources and taking away from the partnerships within the community. So our team specializes in providing wraparound services on site to make sure that everybody who comes into housing stays in housing and remains successful once they're there. And our property managers are well developed and well trained in providing a great property management ensuring our properties are kept up to to be the best properties on the block and making sure that we're a positive asset to every neighborhood that we build into. A couple of the developments that you may recognize from around the Central Valley, Butterfly Gardens was completed in 2022. This was a completely new construction property in the city of Clovis. And we have 75 households residing on site there. They are all permanent supportive housing units, so they're all individuals who are coming from the Department of Behavioral Health, who have experienced chronically being homeless. And we have 24 hour on site management, supportive services, and have really developed this property into an infill project that has brought affordable housing into a previously underdeveloped community as Clovis had not had a lot of affordable housing new developments there. And so it was an uphill battle, but we have built strong relationships and can confidently say that would invite any of you to reach out to the city of Clovis to hear about their experience with both our development and our property management. One of our marquee properties is Crossroads Village that just reopened it was a former smugglers in if you are familiar with the city of Fres, on Blackstone as a part of the city's redevelopment, we have opened 143 units of permanent support of housing there as well. And it recently received the excellence in residential development. And so we're really proud of the project that we put together there. And if you go drive by it now, you would never know that it used to be a underutilized motel. It looks like it's a flourishing apartment complex now. We also recently completed majestic gardens in Tulare County. As you can see the top left picture is what it looked like as an underutilized motel and the bottom is how we have redeveloped it into a nice apartment complex that fits into the community and something that the neighbors can be proud of rather than being a detractor of the neighborhood. We have 42 houses 42 individuals and households house there with on-site services that keep everybody happy and healthy while they're living there. We are looking to continue our work and expand into the Sanger community. As we are looking at new opportunities, we are looking at an opportunity in Sanger where we are committed to long-term developing relationships and building a positive asset for the community. We don't want to just provide quick fixes and leave We want to build relationships and be here for the long term We want to hear from you here from the community and what you want it to look like how you want it to be an asset from the community And we want to meet each of those needs that you present to us We are partnering with Fresno County on this development We have recently opened Crossroads Village I mentioned, and we are co-applicants on this round of Homekey Plus. Homekey started in 2020 during the COVID pandemic and has gone through several several rounds where we're now at Homekey Plus. And the county has continually demonstrated their commitment to expanding affordable housing throughout the community and we're excited to bring this opportunity to the city of Sanger. We have a vision of 51 new construction units that would be a robust onsite supportive services, professionally managed and well maintained, as well as being 100% affordable. So every unit that's on that property would have affordable covenants on it and be permanently affordable to the people that are living there. The picture is a concept of what we are proposing it's not obviously a finalized design yet and would be eager to hear feedback on what you would like it to look like and how you'd like it to fit into the community. We have a proposed site on Cherry Ave in North Duet. It is a vacant parcel currently, and we believe it to be zoned our RM1 for high density multi-family, so we believe that's a good fit for the project. And it is identified in Rizone via the City of Seniors 5th cycle housing element to meet the regional housing needs. We believe the project will be exempt from CEQA as a categorical in-fill exemption and we are committed to engaging with the senior community to gather input and ensure the design is thoughtful, respectful and aligned with the rest of the community outlined there. Our next steps are we're hoping to have this application fully submitted to the state in the spring by the end of May. They are doing awards on a rolling basis as those applications are submitted. So hopefully by summer we would hear back from the state of California and the Department of Housing and Community Development would release awards during that time with a tentative construction, of course, following awards in winter 2025 with a fall of 2027 finalized construction timeline recognizing the site work and all of the work that would need to go into finalizing those constructions. We are excited to bring this high impact project to the City of Sanger. It is an alignment with a lot of the policies that you of a City Council have established with infill and bringing in supportive housing as well as affordable housing and offering fee reductions in deferral for development impact fees is one of our asks today. We are also seeking a letter of support from the City Council that the state would highly appreciate the support and knowing that your City Council is in support of bringing affordable housing to the city and to supporting the community development. So we look forward to bringing this vision to life with you and respectfully request a letter of support to do that. So happy to answer any questions or provide any other insight to the project that all of you may have. Thank you. Mayor Proktaim. I understand all your different projects is the Clovis site and you had mentioned like 24 hours staff on site and all that stuff. Is there anything unique to the Clovis site that the other sites don't have or are they all pretty much you operate standard procedures, standard operating procedures on every single one? Yeah, they're fairly standard. Some of them have different funding components. This particular project has a no place like home funding element, which brings in more of the behavioral health focused clients versus some of our other projects don't have those funding components to them. This particular site has additional live on staff because of that need. But all of our projects have at least one living on site staff. And then what's the length of, or the average length of stay, or is there a maximum length of stay as well? So these properties are all permanent housing options. So, so long as you follow the lease and continue to meet the criteria which they are income restricted So if you eventually exceed that income restriction you would have your lease non-renewed But so long as you follow the lease and stay in compliance. It's permanent housing for as long as you want to live there And then my last question is your funding sources I guess you apply for a lot of state grants in order to build a thing. But having that many affordable housing units, you're not really taking a lot of income to pay for all these services. You get a continuous source of grants and funding from the state to keep these things operating. We typically look for project-based vouchers or ongoing subsidies that would provide that market rent payments. And so the tenants are paying the affordable portion, whatever that may be based on their income, and the rental subsidy, whether that's from Fresno Housing Authority, partners at behavioral health or other funding sources, pay that difference to keep the property operating in the long term. But on none of these projects, the municipality, like the city itself, give you guys any funding directly? In less you have like CBDG or other types of that funding, some cities have brought those types of funds to projects and support of them, but there is no like ongoing new surprise asked to the cities. Okay, cool, thanks. Mm-hmm room, Ricardo. Thank you, Katie, for that presentation. Just a quick follow up questions in terms of the criteria to qualify for these units. What would it take for a person to apply and what is that process? Yeah, absolutely. So don't want to write anything in stone today because we haven't finalized the application in all of those parts, but it is typically driven by the application process and if whatever our subsidies for the housing units are long term. But like the Home Key Project specializes in individuals who have experienced homelessness or are at risk of homelessness. And so we work with our partners in the Fresno-Madeira Continuum of Care to identify individuals who are already residing in the zip code that the project is being built in, or have identified that as their zip code of origin, and prioritize folks to be moved into the units that way. It's typically a closed application process, so referral only through the continuum of care, but working with any sort of community outreach projects or I'm aware of some, you know, like faith-based outreach that happens within Sanger in the areas and so working with them to identify individuals who are either experiencing homelessness. A lot of the experiencing homelessness, especially in our rural areas, the not-seen homelessness, so doubled up or within vehicles, or at risk of homelessness identifying those households or families to be prioritized into projects. Okay, and just really quick, who do they contact to be referred? So as we get closer to that process, it would be through the continuum of care. And so there's outreach teams and there's navigation teams. But as we kind of finalize who the target populations are and getting ready for lease up, we dispatch, you know, navigation outreach teams that would, you know, have all that information. And we'd certainly be coming back to keep you all updated and provide lots of opportunity to know the exact process again just depending on those exact funding sources and the qualifying criteria. Okay. Thank you for all the information. I just have one follow-up question for staff. That's a specific location. Is that currently like Ag land? I don't recall what our last rezoning process was. Do you guys have any information? No, I believe she said the zoning in her. It's RM1. RM1, which is multi-family identity. What was changed? Those changed. Okay. This one's not currently used for any ad. No, it's vacant lot. Formation, thank you. So the vacant lot that you're looking at used to be ag, and that's right now it's just all dirt It's in my district district for so I would love to have a meeting with you and see me and you're talking more about the project Also curious and see when you say there's a cap as far as the cost of rent or lease What would that cap be was it go? I it sounds like it's gonna go by their income. So the project is what we would call a 30% AMI. So individuals who are approved to live there have to be making 30% of the AMI or below. In Fresno County this year, that's around $14,000, $15,000. And then the rents are also set off of what their income is. So they never pay more than 30% of their income. Typically we find folks who are on social security, who are in the $900 to $1,000 range per month. So they're paying $300 to $400 per month for rent. Each year those numbers change a little bit. So by the time we're leasing up in 2027, don't hold me to those exact figures, but that's typically the formulas that are used. And then you're saying you guys use social services to help you and help the people that are gonna be there, is that what's taking place in Clovis currently? Yes, so each project again has kind of a different funding stack and different supportive services that are committed to it. But the home key applications and all the projects that we work on have requirements to support of services and have requirements for what those look like. And so, Amina from the county can also speak to that. I just wanted to clarify Council Member Montelango that our office, the CAO's office, has been in contact with, I believe, your office to schedule a meeting specifically to talk about this project and then other homelessness functions that I believe you had reached out to the pressure max six. I was going to get to it. Perfect. Okay well yes she answered because we are going to schedule a meeting but I would like to see we can include them as well. Absolutely they have our contact information as well as the city manager. I'll reach out tomorrow during email. I'll go for go for that. Appreciate it. It just sounds interesting. I know it's in the district of mind. Yeah, absolutely. Want to get more information about that. Thank you. Thank you. That's what Melinda's. I don't have any questions. Just thank you for the presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And coming here to meet us. So as we go through the process, our first process is to submit the application and get those balls rolling. Once we have that submitted and once we hear green lights from the state, and need to move forward with some of the planning processes, we typically hold town halls, listening sessions, outreach to the council members, district, visit with you all again, talk to the county supervisors and any type of meetings that you all recommend or that you prefer. We've had you know listening sessions at local restaurants, we've met with neighbors individually. During COVID we had a lot of online Zoom town halls to get everybody's feedback whatever you all feel is best we are happy to accommodate. Okay. Now I well we all know that surrounding area very well and like a long de-wit and cherry and all of those roads has there been any kind of study done as far as to what is going to be needed on your end To modify that because not too far from there Two kids have been hit by a vehicle in Paris. Yes, we are Adding another 50 units. I mean, how's that gonna impact that little area? Yeah, so I'll let our development director speak to the specifics of the studies that we have to conduct and the results of those, but we definitely are always sensitive to the neighborhood safety and making sure that we're bringing in the necessary infrastructure to support that safety. Right, and that's the main reason why I said, what is entailed in this community outreach? Because I really would like the community to be involved in this and not automatically write a letter shooting from the hip. Because I want to know exactly what the community is thinking on this thing. Yeah, so we're aware that some offsite improvements will be required. So we've been in conversation with the planning department to learn more about that. So far they've shared some details about what that might entail. We have heard from the city manager as well about the need for more cross streets in the city of St.Germ. We want to do everything that we can to promote safety. So we'll continue to be in consultation with the city's planning and engineering department to make sure that we are building all the necessary infrastructure to make this a thriving part of our community. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I don't have anything else. It's good. Okay. Awesome. Thank you all for your time this evening. Who we push the next presentation to the next meeting. I think due to the city engineer not being available to see me. Okay, so we'll move to public form. Thank you, county. We'll see what the game is on. All right. We'll move to public form. This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons desiring to adjust the city council on any matter, not otherwise on the agenda and within the jurisdiction of the city council. Speakers shall address all comments to the mayor and council as a body and not any particular council member or a member of the staff. Speakers should limit their time to you three minutes. We have any public comment. Come on in. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Stephanie Gustin, and I'm here representing the TIVE Valley Friendship Farm. What the Friendship Farm is, we are a program for developmentally delayed adults who have aged out of different programs or who are not involved in other programs for developmentally delayed adults. And we're a farm. We have animals. We have a farm to table produce that the farmers grow themselves. They come out Monday, Tuesday, and Thursdays from 9 to 2. and we teach them how to grow vegetables. Take... days from 9 to 2 and we teach them how to grow vegetables, take care of animals. We do craft projects this year, last year I'm sorry, we submitted some of our craft projects to the Fresno Fair and all of our farmers one first place with their different projects. But this Saturday we're having an open farm fundraiser and Midlanda Teraf is going to bring a food truck out so we'll have lunch. We're also going to be selling plants. You can come out on your way to Wonder Valley, to your event at Wonder Valley, and your pictures with the previous lady. You can come by and have a good donkey. We have, you'll get to meet our farmers. You can celebrate with the spring season with us. We do have plants for sale. They are organic. So if you want tomatoes, peppers, I think we have squash. We have flower plants, all sorts of stuff. And you can see what we do. One of our farmers is a family member of Meal and Deteria. So that's our, so you can come out and support, you know, a local business. And our farm animals are friendly. We have baby goats and lambs and rabbits. I'm in charge of the animals, sorry. I kind of love them. So yeah, bring out your families and come and have a good day and there's a flyer and I have more flyers if you want to take a look. Okay. Stephanie, we're real quick. What's the times for that? I'm sorry. The time is from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Okay. So see, you can come out with us and then I'll be there. Go on. Well, I know a few families out there. Didine, Nancy Didino is the one that actually started the friendship farm. Her daughter's delayed and she went and looked at some programs after her daughter got out high school and she's like, no, this isn't working. This isn't what my daughter needs. And so she started this. That's how I found out about it. I actually went out there to get some eggs at their egg ranch. And they invited me to this thing. So the album. It's an amazing program. I just can't. The home that they have at, or the house they have at was, Nancy's my cousin, was our grandparents' house. So Nancy's father and my mother were both raised in the house and they've They lived there for a period of time and now they've converted it into A farm and Yes, all right perfect. Thank you Stephanie Cindy other public comment I have a couple of questions and I'm kind of concerned but what happened a couple weeks ago I understand some people got their water shot off okay and unfortunately a lot of things came to a play that I saw that really disappointed me. One people were given the opportunity even though I know a lot of people were under the rear which is because goes on in a lot of communities but at least could I had to decency to give the people a chance to get some water or in buckets or whatever. Because what this cost was a problem was on sanitary problems really in a way. How would people go and go to the bathroom without any water? Some of the people told me, they called me, they told me, they wanted to go call the health department. You know, that brings up big problem here, you know. And the other question is, and I want to answer really, why do we have to bring outside individuals to help with this when we got our own employees here? To me, I think that's a breach of contract with the union of the city of Santer and employees. And I would like to have an answer on that. Why that happened? To me, that wasn't right. We have our own employees here. Okay, I think no offense to him. Okay, I think he went over far over his boundaries, far as the authority to do what he did. Thank you. Thank you. The public comment. I just want to know why they turn off the water and they don't let us like the pyjamas. They put something in the door and they said when they're going to turn off the lights, you know the electricity and why the water they can do that because they turn off my water, they don't tell me, they don't call me, they said he said they said end of bill, I don't have nothing. So I have five kids. We're seven in the house. I have epilepsy attacks. And they was asking me for 300 to pay cash 300 plus the bill. So how I'm gonna get 300 plus the bill is crazy. I have epilepsy attacks. So if you don't get the money, how I'm gonna take a shower, my kids, they go to school, how they gonna brush the teeth, how they gonna take a shower. You gotta be able to let me use the restroom, your house? No, you cannot understand because you have a job. I can't work. My husband is for me 24-7. Why? Because I have epilepsy attacks. I know you guys don't care, but I do care because I have fight kits. And when that happened, that guy, I don't like that guy when he went and turned off the water. Because he was looking like, so crazy, like, what the hell? What is he doing? He don't have nothing. He was from the singer. Nothing. And when I find out they pay him 90 or 190 something like what the heck per hour? Why do I know that guys from here? Why you guys have to spend more money? We need some money for something to fix the streets to fix the parks. What's going on with you guys? You have to save the money, you waste for that guys to something that park. Jave gave a park. Do you guys went? They don't have no lights. They don't have no lights. The kids are playing with no lights. You have to do something. Now only get people for nowhere and people to work. Please do something. Thank you. Thank you. Just a minute of the public comment. I'm here tonight as a as a concerned citizen in an effort to improve our community. Tonight I'm gonna be asking a few questions. First of all, was it March the 6th? An item came up on that meeting. And it was for the purchase of a pipe hunter and jettar trailer. I had asked questions on that, and that was gonna cost 113,000 by the way. But I asked questions on it, like have you been in touch with anybody else that may have has that equipment in their cities and asked to see what their take is on that equipment? Also, how long was it supposed to be under warranty? I asked also that, is it, I don't know anything about, is it a a new system that somebody has to be trained on and if they do, are they going to be compensated for their new skills that they have? Yeah, because 113,000 lot of money and we're in a deficit. So none of those questions were answered, maybe because you couldn't, but they weren't answered. And then you go ahead and vote on it. It's like, man, you guys keep doing that. You did it with the fire, with the ladder truck. I had a bunch of questions that you did with the Sanger Stage Mahal. That's still a lot of questions on that one. But anyway, questions need to be answered. And then, secondly, what these people are talking about is the water. You know, they got a point there. You paid, they paid out $95 an hour, $109, I'm not sure what it was. That's a lot of money. When we have our own people that could do that. It's a union too, people. What happened is when you bring in a contract is like that. You took away their work, which violation of what the agreement of Sanger with a local was it 90 39 local 39 You could have paid them over time you could have paid them over time to You know four hours whatever it has takes you know for you days It wasn't an emergency. I don't think it was I believe so so anyways They anyways, they could have made, they could have worked overtime and got away with it cheaper. You know what, guys? Pitman farms owned a million dollars to the city of Sangre for their water. You just shut them off. But yet you shut water off for someone like this lady just said 300 bucks, whatever it was. That isn't right. So anyways, before I get cut off here, I do want to thank Danny Martinez for the last meeting that we had. He asked some tough questions about the water situation. It takes a lot to ask tough questions. I appreciate you did that. Her total councilman has done that constantly. But now that shows me that you do represent your constituents and keep it up. Talk, ask those hard questions. Thank you. Thank you. Coming Carter didn't plan on speaking, but sometimes I, as usual, can't keep my big mouth shut. I'm going to be real unpopular with what I have to say, but that's okay. I don't know how somebody doesn't pay their water bill, and this becomes the city's fault that we turn their water off. If you're in a rear as you get a bill, I'm pretty you're pretty soon you get one with a red marking on it overdue. You know, you know your bill is overdue, so the city goes out and tries to collect their money and now you guys are the bad guys. I just don't get it. Thank you. Thank you. So here's the public comment. See, none public comment is closed. City manager, can you adjust this water issue thing again? Which aspect of the shutoffs and the whole violating the union? So for one, the request was made from the department to get help because we physically don't have enough people for the size of the operation we had to do. Because what would happen if we were to use internal people, we would have only been able to do probably between 20 and 25 shutoffs a day. We had hundreds to do and then you run into the issue of, well, who do you shut off first, if you start shut off, and how do you shut off, equitably, between housing or who has kids who doesn't have kids? So you operationally, you want to do it as quickly and efficiently as possible. So that's why we went out and got some additional help. So like I said, notices did go out. The governor signed off on legislation during COVID that people couldn't be turned off for their water bills. That expired many years ago, prior to my time, the council did take action to collect on those and do shut offs, but the city staff never enacted on that. So we were to the tune of $1.4 million in arre on these accounts So short of council giving me direction to have the general fund pay for that Which isn't the right thing to do we have to collect and we did everything by the book by the state law People were notified It's not a fun thing to do. It's not a popular thing to do but you know We enforce the code on the books and we enforce what we can and cannot do. But we would have been dragging off shutoffs for months and months trying to get this done. And we just don't have the water staff to do stuff like that. Now, we continue now that we started shutoffs every month. Anybody more than, I believe, 60 or 90 days in a race, will get a shutoff notice. And we will do that with our in-house staff. They can handle that kind of volume, but they can't handle the volume when we haven't done shutoffs in five years. That's a big operation. And the fact that we were able to pull it off in three days was pretty, pretty spectacular. So, you know, yes, it is an inconvenience. People were notified. There was, we even had some information that was given out where people could go for help to pay their bills. And, you know, we gave everybody the opportunity to come in. And like I said in the last meeting, we had over 1500 people in our rear as when we started this process. When it came time to shut off, 900 people had come in and arranged to make payments on their accounts. So we shut off about 600 people. I don't know what else to say with that. I was brought up like twice the whole violating union contract. I think if we're going to outsource hold the apartments, it's in the MOU that we have to do a meeting confer. I don't know about specialized, I'd have to confer with the city attorney. But I do know that from the finance side of the house and the public work side, they knew we didn't have the manpower wherewithal to take care of this and that's something we had to take care of. All right. All right. Thank you. We'll move to the consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and will be enacted by one motion and one vote. There will be no separate discussion of these items if discussion is desired. Remember the audience or council member may request an item be removed from a consent calendar and it will be considered separately. Council members are anything you guys want to remove? and MG6. T6. That's announced. We can use it. And Mr. Mayor. I'll have to recuse myself from voting on item number five. I'm an employee of the public agencies that's going to be granting, that's proposing the grant or the city is asking for the grant. So do we have to pull it? Yes, so you would pull it and there would be a separate vote so he can recuse himself. Okay. So that's number five. Two, five. Is there... Is there any other consent? How about the audience? Would anybody like to remove an item? Hearing done. So in regards to the consent counter with the exceptions of item G5 and G6 to our Emotion to approve. So moved. I'll second. We have a motion. All is a favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye hearing that motion carries unanimous 5 0 item g 5 and No, I'm recusing as an employee, but since it's on consent. I can say no Gotcha Okay, Is there any comments from the council? In regards to item G5? Terry Nunn. Is there any comments from the public? In regards to item G5. Here in the regards to item G5, our motion to approve. We have a motion in the second. All is in favor. Signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed. Here you know that motion carries 401. We can use item G6. Is there anything specific that I can answer for you? Yeah, I would like to know who's moving into these three units or buildings and also how many employees from each department specifically. The plan right now, if approved, is we're looking at moving all the human resources over, including Michelle Spear would move out to go over there. And so it's one, two, three, four people from the city. And then we would reutilize the space that would open up for planning and building individuals. We're still haven't presented the budget to council, but there are some ask for some additional help on the planning side and in the public work side Should be net neutral the budget so we currently do not charge enough on our fees to cover our cost of service And we are absolutely allowed by law to to recoup the amount of money it takes for permits and processes like that and with four subdivisions coming on we've got a lot of economic development coming to the town. So they've asked for another building inspector. So the intent right now is to be bringing some new positions to the city and they'll be covered under the new, the new master fee schedules and impact fees we're bringing on board. With the city of those studies are both currently underway. So with those buildings being readily available across the, we're just not a room. Like right now we've already authorized the public works director. Like the place to put him would be in council's office. So I got to move council somewhere, try to free up some space. But we're just, we're out of space here at City Hall and then the others one section of one building We the idea would be to move the chamber out of the annex over to the building there We're still centrally located and then Give the annex back to the detective side because they don't have enough room in their current space So we're just we're trying to find more space that's convenient and right across the street from our existing spaces And in the staff report I saw that there was something in the contract with the Chamber of Commerce that we have to provide them a space for them to operate. And do you have a copy of that contract or do you know that's where it's going to be? Yeah, I haven't pulled up, I didn't print it, but under our agreement with the Chamber, under article four compensation, four dot five, the city shall provide the following as in kind use of the city annex with the address of 1789, and Gents today having a sweet bee, together with the shared use of restroom kitchen and conference room facilities at no charge. The city may discontinue this in-kind use in the event a police dispatch center is located in the annex. In such event, the city shall provide 90 days notice. Utilities for the City Annex office provided at no charge to the chamber and space at City Corporate Yard, on which the chamber's C-Train storage container is located at no charge to the chamber and space at City Corporate Yard, on which the chamber C-Train storage container is located at no charge to the chamber. Okay. And I can get you a copy of that. Yeah, so on the staff report, it was saying that we are mandated to provide them this space, based on the contracted, saying correct me if I'm wrong, that it only the annex, the annexation building is what we're currently contracted to provide. Is that correct? Yes, but it does say if we move them, we can move them out of the annex with 90 days notice if we utilize that space for dispatch. Correct. And under this, the point why I'm bringing it up is because in the staff report, it's saying that we're mandated to provide this building building so if we're leasing the three units then that means the chamber is going to be moving there. Are they going to be providing any fees going into this new building? Are they going to be covering their cost or is the city also going to be providing this building? I do not intend on paying for them to move over or that would be on them to move stuff over their partitions and whatever friends should they have Okay, because it it just hasn't on the staff report. They've been moving to one of the new units They've been moving to the far end. Yeah, regardless of they're moving in or not. I think based on the actual least the it's a five-year term The equivalent to 55,000 between 55,000 and 60,000 for the next five years. I think with talking about the city being in a deficit and a lot of unknowns and us expanding and growing, like I think that we really need to be more fiscally responsible. And I think we can't predict what the future holds with the economy right now. So I don't really see us executing a contract like this, especially something so significant where it's five years and it's gradually increasing, is increasing every year. One thing we did look at is the use center. We currently lease that out to the tune of like 58,000 a year to the school district We thought about not renewing that lease and then moving services and some people over to that. So but then we're not essentially located anymore. So we thought this was a good, a good interim step. Unfortunately, this city doesn't have any impact fees or master fees for new facilities to be built. So we're pretty much stuck with what we have until we come up with a funding mechanism to grow in the future. That is something we're taking into consideration on our new fee studies that are going on right now. But like I said, this is at the Willa Council, but we're busing at the seams. And we're absolutely out of space here so Thank you Hey, thank you I don't have nothing right now. Sorry. I'm not coming. Thank you. You have anything? Yeah. Thank you. Okay. We'll move to the public comment. We're going to start from G6 to every comment. Yeah. There's a few things that concern me about this. things that concern me about this. First of all, it's the cost of it. The first year is going to be $4,500 a month. The fifth year is finally going to be $5,065 a month. It equates to what, half a million, I don't know. I didn't use that. It sounds like a lot of money. And where's the end game on this? Okay. Yeah. We're busting at the seams. But why? I mean, again, here we are in Sangha again, waiting for the last minute. You know what's first saw this happening? All these people crowded here falling all along top of each other. And all of a sudden becomes an issue. We got to be more observant of what's happening here and if it's sentry located it doesn't matter. Everybody's got it doesn't you could be work from home. It doesn't matter if you're across the street or across the town but as far as planning again where's the end? Because at the end of this five year lease, we're still gonna be busting at the seams. Why don't we start thinking way in advance that maybe we need some property, buy something. Buy something to go. Some of these, some of these towns, I don't know if Sanger has any neighborhoods that, you can rent a house, you can rent a house for less than what you're gonna be paying for this and you're getting nowhere. You're paying half a mill. I don't know. It's bad planning again, dudes. We're here on a budget and kind of wonder why. I mean, how did he let it go this far? And now we're going to pay big time money, $5,000 a month. And at the end of that lease, who knows what it's going to be? And we still know where. No buildings being considered. Nothing being built. I mean, I would just rather just, you guys suck it up for a little bit longer and go purchase some land or buy something. At least it'll be ours. There's no end to this. And not to, not to. Some of you guys are going to be gone. I'm talking to everybody here. at the end of this five years, people like me, if I'm still alive, will be stuck with this. You guys are gone, you're doing some mouse. Anyways, I just... I'm talking to everybody here at the end of this five years. It will be, the people like me, if I'm still alive, will be stuck with this. You guys are gone. You're doing something else. Anyways, I just think that that's not a good idea to do that. Should have thought of this before. So if I could just address, I know that it's come up before, prior to my time, that we needed more space and we needed office space. I think I did address his concerns about when you plan for the future. Unfortunately, we are plan for the future. Unfortunately, we are planning for the future by putting in impact fees and master fees that can help allow us to build and buy. I did ask the owners of that property if they'd be interested in selling it. But as an investor, they need to get some of their money out of it. So that would absolutely be a conversation we try to have again in upcoming years. So anyway, that's just what I want to say. We don't just willingly do these things. Do you think it through? And Mary, I also would like to clarify something. The item for you, for your agenda today is the contract, the lease lease agreement only and there has been discussion about how the city would intend to use one of the spaces for the chamber. But as he's noted that agreement expires on June 30th. So you're not committing yourself to have the chamber be there for five years. You're just leasing the land and for now, under the existing contract, you would be allowing the chamber to move so that the police department can have you so that space, of their space. Thank you for that clarification. It's kind of ironic how some people complained that the city's budget is all screwed up, but they want you to run out and buy more property. You can't stand on both sides of the argument. You're on one side or the other. So that doesn't fly. Thank you. Is there any other public comment in regards to item G6? So you know public comment public comment is closed we'll move you back to the council item G6 mayor pro-tam You know, I do understand that this place is kind of a little bit compact I mean it is a fairly small building. I did a little bit of research and this city hall was built in 1975. And the population of Sanger in the early 70s, 1970, it was 10,000 people. So we've almost tripled in size, and the city hall footprint. I don't think there's been any expansions to the original design, because it all looks pretty original to me. It's the same footprint as when it was built in 1975. So obviously services get more intense and more individuals are needed. I mean the other solution that I would support and I've been a big proponent of and I made no secret here is telecommuting and teleworking. If you have tight enough space you can have communal cubicles, communal work areas to where half of the staff comes in certain days and then the other half comes in other days and you kind of share the load or have people work from home. So, I mean, that's the only solution to, when you have a building providing services that is impacted. So, I think I know which way that goes. So, go ahead and,, and I mean this is a good idea to go ahead and get additional space if we need it, but there are other solutions, but I don't think they're very popular. Thanks. Councillor Mangilio, heard title? Just a quick follow up question regarding just the long term plan after the five years, But as a city are we going to prepare to like house the rest of the staff members that are being relocated? What's the plan? So depending on how the study turns out and how our growth goes over the next few years, it really comes on to how much money we're going to have to do with new construction. You may be able to do a remodel to this and create more space, but it's pretty tough on a building this old. You could go vertically. Right now, we are, with the hires we're gonna be doing, I think that probably gets us through the next couple two, three years, depending on how the boom, the growth goes if we if we grow like we think we're gonna if we get the North annexation territory. Yeah, there's a chance we might need additional space, but the good thing with it across the way there, the people were moving now there may be some additional because like we're saying one area will do will do another conference room over there. So there could be a potential to have more office space over there and then in future negotiations with Chamber of Contra. area we'll do, we'll do another conference room over there. So there could be a potential to have more office space over there and then in future negotiations with Chamber contracts too that could free up, free up some more space. So I wish I knew how the city was going to look five years from now, but right now I know this is an interim step to get us over the next five years. Five years beyond, I mean right now I'm developing a plan plan to keep us going for the next five. And once we get this going another year or two, we can reevaluate and go beyond that fifth year. Yeah, then another question. Why not three years? Why, I mean, yeah, why not three and not five and versus the five? Just to lock in costs at a lower rate. Those originally were renting for, I believe they were asking for $2,500 or $2,000. Nobody was taking them, so they dropped a rent to $15. And I do believe that the top end after five years is a little over. It's not much more. I think there's an inflator to an half or 3% a year to put up with the CPI. So from a landlord tenant, that's not a bad deal. So I was just trying to lock in long term stability. So in three years, they wouldn't negotiate for a $2500 monthly. So that was part of the strategy was to keep a long term lease to keep the costum. Okay, no. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm in around 2021 and the city was closed and people left and you could walk through City Hall and hardly anybody was here, not just because they were home, but they were just longer not here. And it's a plenty of room. I think when this council hired a new city manager is when we started saying we need more people Even the council. I mean the mayor doesn't even have an office When our office now being used by somebody else right now and we have to now Deal with that and that we have a meeting with somebody then we have to go outside to have a meeting somewhere else Versus having a meeting here. I know the mayor said had a meeting elsewhere where he should be having a meeting at City Hall. So I think this is a very good step. A five year plan, the lock of 15. You know, I was just talking to somebody downtown. That's what I'm saying. Somebody's paying 2800 right now for a little bit smaller than what this is here and this is all brand new. And as far as our relationship with the entity of the chamber, I see the chamber as a tie-in to the city. And that's been going on for, I don't know, I would say 50 years or so, that we've supplied them with a place to be in everything. And I don't know why we're going to just say, well, I I'll see you later. You know when we're doing stuff together and making the city better each and every time. And so I think this is an excellent choice. They're close by. They could be monitored by their directors and the city manager as well. He's talking about hiring more people, we need more people. We have, I would say if we look at everything that's coming right now close to 800, 900 homes, possibly in the near future, we already have close to 500 going to be coming up this year, but the other one just finished up. We got the apartment complex that are going. We got many businesses that are coming in that we know of, you know, that we can't announce it until they close different things and so on. So things are happening. I'm excited about North plan. We need bodies. We need bodies here to do the work to get the permits done to get people to build. And that's what's going to take the people in the room for them to meet. And I believe this This is a great alternative. So I'm very supportive of this. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Melendez. I only have a comment. I think this is going to be a good idea. We are growing as a city. And like my colleague said, we need everybody to be here to help support the growth of Sanger. I just think it's good idea. Thank you city manager. All right thank you. As far as just item G6 I mean you know we don't we don't deal in personnel issues as a council or deal're dealing with item G6 right now and five years John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with St. John's association with But you know it's just I don't want to get too far into the weeds because we are just focusing on the item g6, but that was just kind of a thought of mine. It's just I don't want to get too far into the weeds because we are just focusing on this item g6, but that was just kind of a thought of mine. So when regards item g6, do I have a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve. We have a motion. I'll second. We have a motion. A second. All is in favor. Signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed. No. That motion passes 4 to 1. 1. No. Item H. H1. Okay. This item is to, so as you notice, or it's been stated, we had our recent city clerk retire. We did go out and attempt to hire that position. We had many applicants. We interviewed, got down to kind of the final, made a decision on one individual. We offered them the position and they declined it after we could not meet the salary requirement they were asking for but they were coming from the private field. So what we're in an attempt, this is language here so you can bring retired and new attendants back to work after six months of being gone. Miss Pedro, six months is an up until May 1st. So this is a legal formality. We have to do that. CalPERS will allow her to come back and give the city some part time support on the city clerk position. Well, as we run through another recruitment and another another round of interviews trying to secure that full time position. But as of right now, we don't have a city clerk we're using our deputy city clerk in Sierra and Sierra Delgado and Amanda Champion. But there's a heavy workload that they already have to take over in the city clerking and all the public records request stuff. It is quite a demanding part of the time for the city clerking and all the public records are questioned it is quite a demanding part of the part of time for the city so we're just looking to bring Becky back part time to help us out thank you The other side of H1 Daniel you have anything no Councilmember her title Bring item H1 to the public. Any public comment with our title H1? Seeing no public comment, public comment is closed. Bring back to the council. Is there any other comment on that? Where's the item H1? One question. Go ahead. Just pretending to comforts for the requirements or restrictions as a city that you have bring your bring your back to this to work for time. So any anew it can not work more than I believe it's 960 hours any year. So they're limited to how much time they can work, but we're hoping to have the position filled within the next few months. And the commencement day has to be six months after they've been retired. Unless we approve this resolution tonight, then they can come back within the six months. Correct. All right. So, in regards to item H1, do I have a motion to approve? I do have a comment or a question. Hilda, the mayor required to say this declaration on here? Yes, yes. Yes, he is. There is a requirement that the Brown Act, that for items like this, that for this one and the next one, there is a Brown Act announcement for high- high level positions where the salary and benefits have to be announced. So this time it's probably a good type page 66 mayor for you to read that floor after the italicized language. And it's a requirement of the broadband. Okay. So it starts off with if adopted. Yes sir. the proposed resolution will approve an employment agreement with Rebecca Pedro Ong for the position of interim city clerk executive assistant as follows. Term of contract April 4, 2025 and ending December 31, 2025. Or when permanent city clerk executive assistant is appointed whichever occurs first Compensation being 41 dollars and 30 cents per hour the interim city clerk Executive assistant will not receive any fringe benefits So in regards to out of each one Mr. Mayor, I'll make the motion to approve resolution 2025-25. We have a motion. As in the second, all those in favour, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed. Hearing none, that motion carries unanimous. Item each two. Good evening again, Mayor and Council Member. So this is the item to approve an agreement between Tyler Technologies Inc and the City of Sanger for Enterprise, Minus ERP software. As been said previously, our current system of Eden will no longer be supported as of March of 2027. Eden is a Tyler Technologies platform. So we're going after this agreement on a piggybackable contract through source well. There are a couple other options out there, but being we're going from a Tyler product to Tyler product that keeps the implementation cost down. Council had previously approved about $194,000 for implementation to occur in this fiscal year. When we got down to the nitty gritty, they will not put us on a calendar for implementation until a contract is signed. But this new software will basically be the backbone of all city financials. It'll be our GL accounts, all our personnel information payroll. And right now the city currently uses Eden for financials and payroll. But we have a bunch of one-offs in planning and permitting parks and rec that Eden currently doesn't have. With this new platform, we'll be able to roll all those into one because currently we take the one off items they have to be all hand entered into eating to get that data to pull over. So It's just that product spend here since 1995 it serves as useful purpose. So this is gonna be what we take us through the next 20 years of, you know, ERP until probably have to do it again someday. But we're asking that Council approve the contract. I do believe it's going to be the fiscal impact is about $496,000, but the annual cost being approximately 114,000 because we only get billed as we roll out the different modules. So the first things to roll out would be the GL, the general ledger. That's all your, you know, money's in, money's out, accounts payable. And then the human aspect of it, which is your payroll, your benefits, things of that nature. So we're just looking to get this approved so we can start the planning process and start the implementation. Mayor Pro Tem. I don't have any comments at this time. I'm sorry Mayor. The 174 that was already approved will just not be spent this year. It'll just go back into it'll stay in the general fund reserves. Oh good. Council member Hurtado. Yes, I have a couple questions. Are they here present currently? No, they are not here this evening. Okay. And you mentioned that there are other options, but were there any bids that were proposed or anything like that? Well, there's people soft and there's another one called one, but they don't tie into any of our, they don't tie into anything we have now, so it would require probably a third party integrator to come in and morph that data over. No, we did not go out to bid again. This is one of those source well projects that have already been bid competitively throughout. So any municipality that wishes to use the source well contracts, it meets all the legal requirements for bidding. And I'm familiar with Tyler Tech. The new staff we brought out since I've been here has already done a Tyler Tech implementation back in the city a little more. So the staff we have on board that will be driving this is familiar with this product, they've done it and worked with it. So a lot of that learning curve is gone, which should increase our efficiencies and keep our costs down on the implementation. And what has, I mean, their experience been with Tyler technologies and terms of, in terms of like customer service as well. It's been good and the one thing I can say on this because it is Tyler technologies owns Eden which we currently use it's the same platform. So if we stick with the Tyler technologies platform, they will give us a little bit of leeway on that March 27th to keep kind of things going if we're still using the old system whereas if we go to a new platform it shuts off on the 27th but Tyler technologies many cities use it. It's a good program. It does everything we need it to do and cost wise it's right in there. Yeah, I just have huge concern over like the transparency transparency of the data collection and how it's shared and used. So in an age of our software companies profit from data, we want to make sure that we're protecting people's information at all costs. So is there anything that protects them in our contract where they're not allowed to provide any of Share this information essentially or profit off of it. I'd have to look at the exact contract and error But yeah, that's not good business people aren't gonna share your information. We obviously went to allow them We have an obligation to our employees in the public to protect their accounts and protect names and things like that so I'm sure there's verbiage in there to that effect, but I can double check it and I'll get back to you. Yeah, I think it's important that we protect, protect it at all costs because you know, we don't want to sell anything or sell critical information. That's a huge concern and I wish that they were here so I can ask more specific questions. At this moment it's not something I'm comfortable voting on because I don't have these answers and you know that's why I typically like them to be present especially for contracting with them. Contract is very lengthy it's not very specific or detailed and how we're protecting ourselves. So that's all a comment for now. Thank you. Don't smell about too long ago. No, I just appreciate staff be proactive before this runs out on this in two years. So I'm glad we're doing this and we're keeping close for the same company. Thank you. Tell us when we're in Melinda's. I don't know how no questions are at this time. Thank you. OK. So we're currently using a Tyler Tech product, right? Yes, it's called Eden, but it is obsolete. It's going out. They're no longer will support it. So. I mean with this other program, has there been any security breaches or problems with not to my knowledge? And when we did the implementation in my previous city, we did not have any any types of issues at that. It's not like we're selling we're not transferring Data like like credit card companies and things like that. This is setting up the city's financial backbones and all your different GL accounts we can get money Zid and money out and auditing purposes and things like that. I'll tell you what I worked at a company that was Switching over exactly what we're doing right now and they were at it for for like a year and a half. And when they finally switched to switch over, they were using two separate companies. And by the time they hit the switch over, switch, nothing worked. People were getting paid. Nothing was going through. The checks that they were printing were just a half a check. It had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. We had to do a lot of things. technical problems. In regards to that, how we did the implementation of the previous city is we ran parallel, we ran the new system as we put the data in and we ran the old system. Then every payroll we check, boom, boom, boom, we were running parallel before we put sections live. But the good thing about this is we're taking each module and going live. So it's not like you're building and going with the whole one switch. And I will say we did have our, we had our moments, and Amanda, Miss Amanda here was a big part of that on the HR and payroll side of things. So I won't say it wasn't without its challenges, but that's one of the reasons I really like Tyler's, because we've been through that learning curve. Exactly. And once we got it online with all the double checks and running par- because we ran parallel for multiple months, but I'm not mistaken. And so that's why I'm very comfortable with recommending Tyler Tech. Yeah, and that is the problem with this other company because you couldn't run parallel. Yeah. Just, there were questions about confidentiality and there is language on page 85 concerning confidentiality. Confidentiality it is pretty very detailed as well as for language concerning the quarantining of client data. There's also very specific language on indemnification against third party claims by Tyler. So it's in there? Yes sir. Okay. And, I was looking for it because I remember reading it. There's background checks by them by each employee that are going and all employees on a coffee alley agreement. What's the security codes? All right. That's one question. Go ahead. Just really quick. What is this? In the staff report, they mentioned something called SourceWell, contract O6O624. How is source well playing in this? Who are they? So this is like I talked about those piggybackable contracts instead of going out to RFP or RFQ and getting multiple bids if they've already, that process has been vetted and done through source well. So that you can buy this product on that contract. So you're not required to go out and do a public bid because it's already been vetted. And it's, I don't know if he'll do it. City Attorney wants to jump in here. That's pretty much it. And it's permissible under your care and your purchasing ordinance. And it's known as it's cooperative and also known as piggybacking contracts. And source rule is just an entity that sort of creates a master contract. First of all, it gives bids, competitive bids from all over the country, and then puts them in different categories. Because this is not the only kind of contracts that they hold. They hold many other kinds for equipment, etc. And so they've gone through the competitive process. So the public contracts code says if they've gone through the competitive process for efficiency purpose, says a local agency may use them and piggy bank onto their process. So basically they found us the best price for this so far. Yes and for many others. All right. Some of the gargisite them. H2. Is there any public comment? See no public comment. Public comment is closed. We'll come back to we have to do our job and that we need ensure that no one can do any harm here. I would also like to propose that we pause. What is it called? I can't think. Yeah, table this item until we can implement stronger protections. And in terms of our policy and data sharing, especially when we're contracting out these services. So I just want to make sure that we're protecting everyone here before anything else. So that would be my recommendation. There is no motion, but if there without where a motion, somebody could second motion to table otherwise you can move on. Okay. I have a comment. Well the question just for clarification. Our PILD you have had it. Junt to review the all the terms correct. Okay. All right. Just want to make sure. Thank you. Is there anything else? It. Thank you. That was a good question because on the staff report it has her initials that she reviewed it. And it is lengthy but I read all of that's why I was able to find number seven. And if you just keep going, section G, it just keeps going. And all the obligation that talks about identifying, they will even hold harmless. They will defend us if something goes wrong. They will maintain ematements as long as we're paying the bill. And basically, so keep everything going, but it's all in there. And I know that our city attorney was okay with it because she signed off on it, so I'm good with it. Okay, thank you. So when the guards started M.H.T., they have a motion to approve. So move. I'll second, Mr. Mayor. We have a motion. The second, all the favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed. Aye. That motion passes for one. Item each three. Good evening again. So this item is to appoint Michael Salvador as interim police chief and authorize myself to execute the employment agreement. Mr. Salvador is in the audience tonight. So little brief history. We are currently seeking a permanent police chief. We have four qualified applicants that have submitted. So we will start the process of interviews. The plan right now is to have the executive team do interviews with the applicants, including the interim chief on those panels, then the interview with myself. And then we'd like to take the top two candidates to do a public meet and greet and kind of let the public ask questions, and then we'll make a decision based on that. But in the interim, we're looking to bring in Mr. Salvador. He's a 30 year plus vet. His last two jobs were with the city of Atwater and prior to that, the city of Kalinga. So tonight we're looking to bring him in as our interim police chief for the next, who knows, two to four or five months. Thank you. ask with item on the city clerk, it is required that under the Brown Act, you read the language on page 171 following italics. Do I read that now? Yes, sir. OK. If adopted, the proposed resolution will approve an employment agreement with Michael Salvador for the position of interim police chief as follows. Term of contract April 4, 2025 and ending December 31, 2025. Or when the permanent police chief is appointed, whichever occurs first. Compensation will be $68.11 per hour. The interim police chief will not receive any fringe benefits. Thank you. So when regards item H3 Mayor Mayor Pro Tem do you have anything to add? No, I don't have anything to add. I just hope Mr. Salvador will introduce himself to the dies, but I'll wait for that. Okay Yeah, come on, come on, come on, come on over. Come on forward Mike. I have some questions. Let's go. Good evening Mr. Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, members of the council, members of the Sanger community. There's a lot of people to see Council meeting here. I like it. My name is Mike Salvador. I go by Mike and go by by chief, I go by Michael. My wife says, hey you and I answer. It's a little bit about me, Valley Native. I grew up on the west side Kerman area, local schools, grads, Fresnel State, Kerminology degree. I've got a master's degree in criminal justice administration out of Columbia Southern University. 37 year veteran of law enforcement, five different agencies, saying it'll be my sixth. Little bit of everything. It wasn't for a bad day in 2014. I had been the sheriff of Medera County. I kind of smiled when you talked about a long-term member of a school board, and you honored him tonight. I spent 10 years on the Madera Unified School District Board of Trustees. I was its president in 2014, so I understand the schools. kind of a jack of all trades. I think my biggest asset is, as I'm a numbers guy. When I took over Collingham, me and the city manager who is now the city manager in Lamor, we turned around a $700,000 general fund, any fund-balanced deficit. Went to Outwater, which was $6 million in the hole. And me and that senior manager, along with cooperation with the fire department, we turned around a $6 million general fund, any fund balance deficit in five years. I built one building and I've renovated two. So when I hear the community and you guys talk about planning, I really, I had that conversation with Nathan when we talked about me coming to take this job. I'm in it to help the city manager, the council, make good decisions about how to make that happen. Outwater was 35,000 population, Collingo was 13. My largest jurisdiction when I was under sheriff from Madera County had 150,000 people that we provided service for. Budget's anywhere between 15 million and three. I'm a big community guy. Unfortunately due to the CalPERS, I won't be able to spend as much time as I would like. But you will have access to me as council members, if you so desire, through the C Managers Office. And if the community, I get a chance to meet a couple of them here in the background this afternoon. When I heard my name called, I kind of get up and I just go, hey, you want to talk to me? Let's go. Very personal guy, people person. I can't wait to work with PD here. Jason and my wife went high school together. So I'm looking forward to coming and serving you and helping you get through this interim time. And if you have any questions about how policing works, how police buildings are supposed to operate, how they get built, I'm your man. The Sheriff's Office of Madera was my crowning achievement. It was a $15 million project that we did 10 years ago. And we did it from the ground up and it was probably the most fun I've ever had. And except for a catch make. So if you have any questions for me, I'd be more than happy to take them. I look forward to working with you, the council, the city manager and the staff at Sanger PD. Thank you, May pro-tam. I don't know, I just wanna say I'm welcome aboard. Thank you, sir. And thank you for, you know, bringing your experience to Sanger. I think you'll find that Sanger is a very welcoming community. And they support the law enforcement. And we really do. I mean, we have a police foundation that is absolutely amazing and really supports our first responders and our police officers as well. So welcome aboard. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Hattado. I just also want to welcome you and thank you for your bravery to work with the City of Sanger. We look forward to working with you and hoping to move things forward. This is a team city council meeting. Okay, this is great. You guys are great. I would be like it. Council member Montanego. Appreciate you coming to Sanger. And thank you for working with us. The police parmin's in my heart. I love them the death. And I know you take care of them. And I would just like make sure you do take care of them when you're here and help them as we go on to the next phase. And just make sure our community is still community be safe as well. but thank you for making the call and being here today. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you. And then again, from... just make sure our community is still community safe as well. But thank you for making the call and being here today. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you. And again, from me, thank you for stepping up. And I know you got the small town in your heart. You do, I grew up in one. Yeah. We're all born in a small town, right? That's right. So thank you for carrying this torch for a little bit. I'll make a comment. Go ahead. I want to say welcome to Sanger. Thank you for coming over here and being positive. Hopefully our officers, you give them all the guidance that they need right now and just welcome to Sanger. Great. Guys, you get what you see. This is not fake. I believe I've bled blue for 37 years. I like it. Okay, in regards to item H2, we'll turn it over to the public. See if they have any comment in regards to item H3. I'm sorry. You know guys, I've been I've been around all over the place. I've seen all of Europe, I was being on vet, Air Force, always traveling TDI, you know what that means. The jobs I've done, never been home, always traveling, been an official as far as a union member. So I've met a whole lot of people. I always see as different people all the time, different cities, different states, been there, done it, conventions, everything. I can more or less judge a good person, but I first see him. I do have an act at that. Very seldom my wrong. I think I'm right about Mr. Selvard. I met him earlier and I felt good. He seems like a good man. He really does. Something that the city of Sanger could use. The only questions I have on that and against him or in a team, I know he's 960 hours. How much? How many hours do you think he'd be working per week or per day? Is he gonna be on call at night and get something shit happen? It's gonna be one of his hours that he's gonna be knocking off. I don't think he'll ever reach 960 if he's going to be here to December, but is there a game plan on that? I mean, I want the guy. I'm just just because I want to know these kind of type of things. This how much is he going to be available? You know, and when he isn't, who's going to be in charge then and is officer Bous once he signs on, but she should. I hope you know you guys have voted him in. He goes back to Lieutenant or are we gonna have two police chiefs while he's gone? He'll be the police chief or are we just gonna go without one for half a day or, you know, questions like that, just if you could explain it more. Because it's just, you know, I hope you understand when I'm getting that. I wanna know how how long are we going to have it per day? So typically he can work 40 hours a week for the first six months. So I assume he'll be here full time to start, kind of get his assessments. But with any agency, the chief's not here 24-7, they are on call. So then it'll fall back onto the commander. When he's not in or whatever, which is normal protocol what we have now, but once he's on board he will be available like a chief and available on call 247. And then if he starts approaching that by 160 hours, which I don't think he will, but then we will manage the hours to make sure we don't go over and violate the per's rule. It's really up to the chief to kind of design what he thinks he needs to get us through the interim time. Yeah, thank you. Turn to the public comment. Yeah, I got one. Just not say that. Is this covered any quite a bit on the behalf of under CalPERS? I agree with the questions. I don't understand. He's a calp, he's a calp person and you attend attend because he's a retiree and that's why there are limitations on how many hours he may work and that's why the action has be taken by resolution in compliance with PERS requirements. Any questions from the public? See, you know,, public comment is closed. We'll be back at the council. Is there any other comments that you wish to... No, don't think. Can you move on to another one? Okay, with regards to item each three, I have an motion to approve. So moved. We have a motion? I'll second. We have a motion in second. All of them favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed to who none. That motion carries unanimous. Welcome board. Welcome board. Chief. Thank you. Thank you. How do my city manager? Okay, a few things. First and foremost, I'd like to thank acting chief Boust for stepping in and keeping the wheels turning. No, he didn't. He didn't know it's standing job. Jason, I appreciate the effort and the communications and taking my calls at all crazy hours and things like that. You were outstanding, but we need the help and you know, we're short on staff, so we need the body. So I do greatly appreciate your willingness to step forward. So thank you We did receive a cow recycled grant for through public works and that was voted on tonight as part of the agenda So I wanted to know that the public to know that we went out and I got it's just under $7,000 that goes towards our recycling programs The measures so measure C We have the county doesn't audit on measure C for the city of Sanger. We couldn't complete the measure C audit until our 2022 audit was completed. So we just got the 22 audit done. Our auditors or the auditors contracted by the SIT or the Fresno County have reached out to finance. We're going to meet our deadline by April 9th to get our measure C audit into the county and intern that should release just under $2 million and funds that they're holding from the measure C that because we were non-compliant on our audits, we're finally gonna be getting those monies in. So that's good news there. And then a few weeks ago, I talked about some well issues. So we currently have three wells that are down in the city. Well number six has been fixed that's getting ready to go back online we're expecting that well to be back up by April 11th. Well 12 dropped off on its pumping to about 150 gallons a minute. It was found that it had a hole in the case, so we're scheduling a switch. They basically go in with a patch and switch it in, and that should be done here in April as well. And then when they come into switch and we run the camera down, they're gonna go to 14, but we're expecting to have all those wells back online by the end of May. So thanks to public works, George and the guys for staying on that and getting on that. That's it for the wells, but thank you. Have a good day. Thank you. Item J reports and members initiated by City Council members. This portion of the median is reserved for the mayor and council members to make a briefing port on boards, committees, and other public agencies and at public events. To initiate new matters and to request updates and to initiate new agenda items under this section, the council may also take action on any item specifically agendas and which meet other requirements for action. May or proof stand. Do you have anything? I see as far as items. No, city manager helped me with a couple issues this week. We wanted to include, we talked about this in the past, RVs parking in the street. And I have been told that the ordinance is making its way through so we're keeping it going. So I guess, you know, what's happening right now, the way that it's getting better, people walking outside, we all wanna have nice neighborhoods that look clean and when you see, you know, these cars and vehicles that are run down and being parked in the roadways, I'm getting on some calls and rightly so, because it is really, really frustrating. So we're working on that. As far as any updates, I do some flyers. Maybe I want to share. Cinco de Mayo. I want to thank the Recreation Department. I'm Mr. Zamora for putting on this event again. Tickets are available for purchase for seniors. $10 for seniors. The event is May 2nd. So if you want to buy some tickets, make sure to see the REC department. I know my mom really looks forward to this. She has such a great time there. So I encourage all of our seniors to participate and see go to Mayo. The Jensen Avenue cleanup is Friday April 18th. It's going to be during spring break. Hopefully we get a lot more people participating since it's during vacation from school. There some events going on this Saturday that I'll also be participating in. I know there's a hazard waste cleaned up that's being done here in the city hall and they'll take your paint and some various other items. So check the internet and the website for what they'll take because I know I have paint in my garage that I've been really wanting to get rid of and this is a good opportunity to do that and And the last but not least, Bethel Avenue, the trailer park that is there on 5th, and Bethel by the canal, they're doing their yard sale this weekend on Saturday. So if anybody's looking for good deals, see you guys out there. That's all. Thank you. Let's remember who's out over. Yeah, thank you. had some follow-up questions regarding the wells. What was it that had the hole in the case? Case? 12. Well, number 12. Is that the one off of, was it the case street? SB, I'm going to call a phone a friend on this one. So, e-cell phone or app? Fowler, right? The one on here. Okay. Thank you. Also, I just wanted to ask for a quick update on the pedestrian safety ordinance. I know it was going through the process, but I want to see where it's at currently. So still working with it with Josh and our risk managers. We're getting ready to propose some alternate things as well on pedestrian safety. So that one's still in process. Okay. Because there's certain rules with the MUTCD that we have to follow and guide on. So it's, but I can assure you that staff is, I mean, the safety is always a top priority and well, yeah, there'll be more to come in in your future. Okay. Last thing, I really appreciated Katie's presentation today. And honestly, I think we should move forward with providing a letter of support. It seems like they have their entire project in place and they're willing to work with the community on input in terms of infrastructure and what needs to be developed in that area. So I would like to get consensus so we can move forward for a letter of support for the project. Mayor Barney, go ahead. I would like to hold on the consensus because that's my district and I'm going to be meeting with them along City Manager and then from the county to know more about it. Because I'm pretty sure the district area is going to want to hear more about it before they hear us saying yes or no to it. I would like the public to be involved in this well, but like they said they're going to be meeting. They're reaching out already. Okay. No consensus. Okay. Anything else? Okay. I'll spare more lots of water. I have not met with the city managers been working with me on some of the issues and so I appreciate it. Thank you. I did meet, well I didn't meet, but I did have conversation with city manager earlier regarding the issues in my district. Regarding the wells, how many did you say we have? Down three? Yes, three. Okay. Summer is around the corner. And I did get a call today that a little water pressure was running in my district. So you said, end of May, is that the soonest we came work on the walls? No. Having them fixed. No, that's for all of them. We should have well-six should be operational end of next week so that will come back up and then April 10th we should get the Swedging we're trying to get the swedging done next week on well number 12 Once the switch goes in then they have to go back and and camera it and jet it So we're scheduling the jetty of well 12 and 14 simultaneously when the contractor comes out they could hit them but we should we'll have we should have two of the wells up by the end April to get all three of them up probably like the end of May for 14 depending on what they find with it. Because that one dropped off to about 250 gallons a minute so probably after rebuild some pumps or something after after the hydro test. Okay, I would also like to request if we can please do maintenance around all the wells in Sanger to make sure this doesn't have industry wells. That's a lot of wells at one time. Yeah, we currently do about two a year. We plan for two a year on rehab where we completely take them down before they do fail. The only problem we had with well number six, the decision was made several years ago to lower the bulls while they started pulling sand. So really the fix to that one is just to lift the bulls back up to their original set point where there's not the sand base in the in the layer of strata. We're trying to pull water from so But yeah, it's we'll get them but yes, absolutely we do prevent them maintenance is key Okay, so we can please get that going because some are around the corner. Thank you There are you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you