All right. Good morning. The time now is 9 30. This is the committee on government operations and external affairs. This is our 38th session. Today is September 4 and the time now is 9.30. Here in our Hilo chambers we have Councilmember Calguiwada, Viegas, Caneali Eklangfelder, Council Chair Kimbo, Colaca Inaba, Councilmember Kirkowitz, our Chair and Presiding Officer of this Committee Cindy Evans is in our Kona chambers and pursuant to our rules. I am your vice chair and will be leading this meeting. Mr. Clerk, any statements from the public? Thank you, Madam Chair. Just noting that we do not have any testifiers here in the Heelow Chamber via Zoom. I do not believe we have any testifiers in Kona or any of your other remote sites, but at at this time if I'm incorrect if our remote site managers couldn't form me and hearing none, Chair I do not believe you have any testifiers at this time. Great. Seeing no objections from my colleagues I'll just go from the top of agenda already. Mr. Cook, Communication 10.9. Communication 10.9, Hawaii State Association of Counties May 20 and June 13, 2024 Executive Committee Meeting, Minutes and Officers Reports from Councilmember Heather Kimball, Data Dog, 7, 2024. Motion, please. Yeah, Chair, motion to close file on Communication 10.9. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. wondered was there any likely discussion about the hazard pay settlement other than just a report? Was there any discussion amongst the numbers? No, there was not a detailed discussion on that matter. The next comment. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Evans. Ms. Of course she's starting to snuck. Ms. Kagiwada. Thank you, Chair. This is a tiny bit off topic, but I'm just wondering for the public, we started talking about priorities for each stack. I'm just wondering if I could ask Council Member Kimball just to let the public know when that might be coming back before us so that the public will know Go ahead miss Kimball. Yeah, so there'll be a resolution At the next counts sorry committee meeting this committee meeting That will list bills and priorities that were submitted on behalf of this body Will then have the opportunity to amend it before final decision making on council on October 2nd. It does have to move through, but as of right now, the anticipation is that it will be available for the next committee meeting. Thank you and thank you, Chair, for the leeway. Sure. I yield. Thank you. Anyone else? All right. for the leeway. Sure. I yield. Thank you. Anyone else? Already seeing no further comments? We have motion to close by along communication 10.9. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Contra reminded Mr. Clerk, we have eight eyes with Miss Glimba excused. Already on to communication 1010, please. Sorry, testimony for communication 1010. Very non-conocation 1010, a nomination of Nathan Gattis to the Banyan Drive Hawaii redevelopment agency from Mayor Mitchell D. Roth dated August 14, 2024, requesting the council's review on confirmation. Chair, go ahead. Motion to close file and communication. Is it 1010 or 10.10? 1010. Okay. Motion to close file and communication 1010 and forward the nomination of Nathan Gladys to the Banyan Drive Hawaii redevelopment Agency to the Council with a favorable recommendation. Mr. Clerk, we have a motion by Ms. Kimball and a second by Ms. Kirkwitz to close file and forward the nomination of Nathan Gattas to the Council with a favorable recommendation on the Banyan Drive Hawaii Redevelopment Agency. Here in Chambers, thank you so much. We have Ms. Bartolome from the Mayor's office. Yes, good morning. Poma Bartolome, Executive Assistant to Mayor Aroth. We are pleased to be nominating Nathan Gadis of District 3 to the Banyan Drive Hawaii redevelopment agency. He's a graduate of Leica High School. No stranger actually to the agency. He's actually a former member of the Banyan Drive redevelopment agency. He's a graduate of Waikia High School and no stranger actually to the agency. He's actually a former member of the Banyan Drive redevelopment agency. He works currently as the founding rilter at Vi Pacific Accomplice Real Estate Group and also writes freelance for both Beganin Nau and Maui Nau. He's right here, obviously, sitting next to me. So I'm not going to take up his time. I'm gonna let him share a little bit more about himself. But if he has confirmed he will serve a term ending May 31st, 2028, and your favorable confirmation is requested. So Mahalo. Mahalo for being here. Go ahead, Mr. Gattis. Good morning. So yeah, I'm no stranger to the agency itself. I was originally appointed to that board by Mayor Kim. During a time when Brian Dalima was serving the late Brian Dalima, he then resigned his termanship and unbeknownst to me, had planned on snap voting me in the same meeting into the term in ship, which is exactly what happened. And we carried, by coordinating very closely with the state legislature and county council members at that time, carried forward a measure that would have really revolutionized how those lines were managed at the time. This was pre-pandemic. And we got all the way through to final conference committee on a very important bill, unfortunately, to have it shot down literally within the last five minutes of conference committee. It had full support from the House, including funding mechanisms, full support of Sylvia Luke, Onishi, and Mayor Kim. Everybody basically coordinated and worked together very hard, including with the Banyan Drabri Development Agency, who drafted a letter of support. And we kind of had everybody sailing in the right direction. Unfortunately, it got shot down at the very last minute, but that was previous to this, the closest we got to major change on that peninsula. And it would have been very major change. Unfortunately, subsequent to that, not long after COVID encountered us and we encountered COVID as well as we had election and administration change kind of all at once. And so that agency essentially was kind of put into a coma along with many other activities. And not much progress was made during that time coming out of that. Mayor Roth has since put an effort into revitalizing it as has planted director Karn and the other people that are now active on that agency, as you know. So my term ended essentially lapsed after four years, and Jim McCulley is now in charge, but a lot of good effort has been put into it by people that are no longer with us, frankly. This dates back way back to Mayor Canoise days. Mayor Kanhoye's days, we've lost him. Mr. KTA Taniguchi, very Taniguchi, was involved. We've also lost him as well as the former chairman Brian D'Lima and most recently tragically Mark Nakashima who has been instrumental throughout. So, sorry if I get a little choked up, my apologies but all of those people meant a lot to the community and several of them very much so to me. And so in whatever small way I can provide a bridge between that era and this one I'm very interested in doing so. Thanks for being here Mr. Gathers, I'll open it up. Miss Kirkwitz. Chair thank you. Mr. Gathers, is it okay if I call you Nate? Absolutely. Okay great. I've known Nate for a number of years. I think what folks don't know about you is that you're also an excellent baker. When I used to manage Oki Finns, your O Hana would come and share really fantastic granola and other things and I'm glad that you were making time to pursue that passion. Nate has a total heart for service. I remember we had a conversation about how we might be helping to raise additional funding to build homes for foster youth. So I mean you are somebody that truly has communities best interest in mind. And you have my full support to continue the hard work that you and so many others have put into revitalizing Vanyan Drive. Appreciate the backstory that you shared. I wondered if you could maybe share with us your particular vision for Banyan Drive and the surrounding area. Yeah, I think there's been a lot of good groundwork laid, layers and layers of it actually, you know, starting with, I mean, going way back before Banyan Drive redevelopment agency was created, but there was a lot of groundwork laid throughout the community. And countless hours put into creating, a plan with community input that already exists there. So I think you have a good thick layer of history as far as what the community at that time had envisioned for itself. And what the agency at that time-hidden vision for itself, you've got layers of regulation, of course, that are complex. My last understanding of things was that HCDA who assisted obviously with many projects but most notably in most people's minds, CocoaOco area, right? Has been identified as playing a potential role. I personally do support that notion because it's an agency that has expertise already existing. And in my vision, my vision is a really lofty word. I should, I'm gonna retract that. And in my mind, my vision is a really lofty word. I should, I'm gonna retract that. And in my mind, from what I've seen, if you're gonna have effective change, you need both expertise and you need the authority and a mandate to do so. If you have a mandate with no expertise, you're just making a mess. If you have an expertise with no mandate, you're just all talking sitting around, drafting paperwork. So, you know, something like the ACDA has all the expertise. It's a third-party agency that's recognized it's not perfect, but it's obviously got a decent amount of expertise. I saw what happened with some of the early days presentations, but that aside, I think that's one potentially productive route, you know, is to have somebody or a group with appropriate expertise, whether it's HCDA or some other entity, like would have been created back in the bill that I was talking about, I got killed. In conference committee so many years ago, That was essentially doing the same thing. It was creating a new authority in order to move forward and bypass or work around. They should say a lot of the existing layers of regulation. So yeah, something like HCDA or a new authority that's created to have both the expertise and the mandate to actually make an expedite change, I think would be fantastic. A little long-winded answer but- Would you be supportive of Van Jaen drive being fully under the county's control? Absolutely, yeah. I'm not addicted to any one scenario but I think an effective solution is going to have those aspects to it. Okay I'm curious if you could talk about one or two specific goals that you have for your tenure on this agency, should your nomination be approved? Yeah, I think anytime you're joining or rejoining an agency, you know, you have to find out what expertise everybody there has, what role they're currently playing. You know, I can provide, you know, my skill set, as it were, right, and to what extent that may fit into an agency like that, which is knowledge of obviously, you know, real property, real estate. I also have a background in commercial and residential appraisals, other than brokerage work. I have a journalism background, marketing background. So whether it's from the planning perspective, looking at what's economically feasible, or whether it's in terms of raising awareness for the problems down there. That's also very much within my skill set from a PR standpoint if that's needed or appropriate, including chasing down people as necessary to raise awareness. One project I'm working on this year, which is a new thing as I'm serving as a host for a national television series that basically highlights local food and culture and things like that. And we're just starting to film the first segments of that. And I've been working with people in the area to try to film a segment highlighting specifically, Ben and drive itself. Working with Switzerland, working with area caretakers and local businesses to try to get something together and shot for that. I think that's just one example in that area. Great. Last question. And this kind of goes back to the vision. Yes. What role does Bani Drive play in fostering economic development and cultural well in Kilo in the surrounding area. So I like to think of it as a little mini-wike key in some ways. There's a community aspect to it obviously where you've got video-colonic gardens, you have in a shoreline access for the public that's critical to preserve and to elevate and to make that safe. So I think the safety is a major issue. I just want to highlight that that should be probably the first bedrock starting absolute non-compromised starting point is safety for everybody down there. So they can continue to enjoy it. From an economic standpoint, I think, again, the safer that place can be and the more beautiful it can be, it becomes basically a little shining beacon for the area because it is quite stunning. In terms of future development potential, it's certainly there, but I think you have to plan on how to use that resource in the reality of what we're facing, you know, a climate change and things moving forward. So I think, you know, in other words, a long term, if it's necessary to pull development back from that shoreline across the street, you know, relocate it. I would totally support that. I think we have to be realistic as far as what type of use it gets put into. You really have very little, I think you have to face the reality that you have very little in the way of resort zoning in the eastern belt of the Big Island, very, very little. So I would be probably reticent to convert all of that down there to long-term housing, for example, because where do you have your short stays for people? That area down there, if to the extent that we can concentrate short stays into a clustered area, both for economic benefit, but also just for a public safety standpoint. If you've got thousands of tourists who don't have permanent lodgings in you have a storm, for example, it's just a lot easier to deal with things if they're in a concentrated area like that. So to the extent we can promote that area that way, I'm in support of it. And thankfully you've had some revolutionary state ordinances past this year that should enable you as a council, hopefully over the long term to adjust different areas to be suited to our long-term housing and building additional affordable housing development. Hope that makes sense. It does for an alignment. Thanks for being here. It's a great nomination. Chair Eild, thank you. Thank you, Ms. Carcouillette. Ms. Caguata. Thank you, Chair. Thank you for being here and for stepping up. So important for our community. Obviously, this is a jewel for Hilo and something we need to reinvest in. I don't know if you probably saw the governor's emergency proclamation around Uncle Billy's. Any comments on moving forward? And what the county can do or what the agency can do or what this board can do or what the agency can do or what, you know, this board can do to help move things along so we're not stuck in this situation where we're just kind of have totally unusable spaces, dangerous spaces, as you said, safety and places that are not available to the public. I think the emergency pro, emergency proclamation was an old brainer, and I congratulate everybody who pitched in to make that happen. And so, you know, the things like that, I think are helpful, but again, I'll bring back to the point, you know, of having some sort of authority that has the expertise that's vested in actually being accountable and being in charge of that and funded to be in charge of that You know to use an extreme example. I have two brothers that live in Tokyo and you know Tokyo has their famous for Like this SWAT team pot hole SWAT team like that's that's all they do is fixed pot holes all day You know it's an extreme example of enabling you know is fixed potholes all day. It's an extreme example of enabling special agency, as it were, to cure a problem. That's a super simplistic version of it, but I think without an appropriate entity, whether you invest the banion driver, how are you redeveloping agency without authority, whether you invest anybody with that authority, you have to have that, you know, in order to actually step through all the different layers of regulation, or you just get stuck and people keep passing the ball. Okay, thanks. And you talked about, at the time you were on the board before, that the community had a kind of a clear view or a way forward or that they saw. It doesn't really seem that we necessarily have that right now. Thoughts on how to make sure that the community's voice is part of this. I think you know if you want to I mean I think again it comes down to whoever's vested with that authority that is their job in part is to make sure that you have a community input process. You know, whether you take the existing plans and ask for a period of additional community input, right? You know, you've got a massive general plan coming out. And so that's been formed by layers of community input. So if you want to take what's existing, for example, and have people have an input period for that, I would welcome that. I think that's really all that you can do with it. Make sure the community's voice is heard and make sure that there's a process there for whoever's running it, that there's ample time for them to do so. And a period of review for that. Right. Okay. So I mean, I hear you loud and clear that you feel like we really need somebody who's both responsible for this area but also vested with the power to make things happen. What's your first step on it, you know, if confirmed getting in there as far as moving us closer towards something like that? I mean, it takes, I think, buy in from... So you have to have buy in from the mayoral administration. You have to have buy in from the council. You have to have buy in from the state legislature. And you also have to have, I think, buy in from the community to a certain extent, through something as simple as, you know, working with the press. Everything has to be kind of sailing in the same direction. Everyone has to be sailing in the same direction as much as humanly possible with all those different layers of input. But that's how you get the success. So, you know, we've very nearly got there a few years ago. So I'm hopeful that that can be done again. But it can be a frustrating process because you know, all it takes is, you takes is one legislature, one change at the legislature, for example. Those relationships take years to build, so I recognize the realities of the environment, but all we can do is I think be consistent because it can be a marathon. But occasionally, if you have openings where circumstances allow it, where there is an opening to get something done, it needs to be attacked immediately because those don't always last, those windows of opportunity. Okay, so just to be clear, you see working up with the board to move something at the state legislature basically as the way to go. With the council's input, yeah. I mean, you have to get everybody, as much as possible, get everybody on board, aware of what's happening, bought into what's happening, and then kind of collectively hold everybody accountable, and have everybody's ships on the table as best you can to avoid funny business politically speaking. Yeah, okay. Thank you so much. I'll be supporting your nomination. I think we have to do something. It's just, you know, the state wherein is not a good state. So looking forward to seeing how you can move the needle, help move the needle on this. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Mr. Kanieli, can I help her? Thank you, Chair. Thank you for being here today, Nathan. Sure. Appreciate your work in your different lenses that you carry. I like whatever it's so far as far as your background, your historical knowledge on the area as well as the different players who have tried to make things happen over the years. Appreciate the administration bringing your name forward. I'll be supporting nomination as long as the next question has answered properly. Given your work with Vyreality, do you own or manage any properties within the area? You got to define the area for me. Well, we've you drive it so. Yeah, we know. The agency's own. No, that peninsula not at all. Okay. Yeah, I mean only in this entire district, you know, the only thing that I own outright would be a primary home up in Y-A-K-O-K-O-K, right? I also own a partial interest in the Helo Goon Center unit 602, right, which is actually part of Weilow Park and not connected really in any way to to a Vanyan Dry Peninsula. Yeah, perfect. Finally, I would just ask that I think there is a need for more hotel space here in Helo to help guide our visitor industry. What is unique about the Helo area, I think a lot of people don't recognize is that we have both an opportunity zone and an enterprise zone working in conjunction with each other within this area and a lot of Helo. That offers tremendous capacity to different organizations that wanted to come in to help build. So I think your knowledge, your understanding of, you mentioned the Kakaoco group, that is an amazing thing that was done in Honolulu. If that can be coupled with an understanding of the historical knowledge at play, as well as the opportunities that exist in different capacities within government to help development happen, then we have a way forward. And so I appreciate everything you said today. I'll be supporting an nomination for the Languages. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Anyone else? All right, seeing none, you know, I always have to think twice because I want to call you Judge Gattis. But Nate, thank you so much for being here. You know, I am in support of your nomination. I wanted to lean in a little bit more. You described yourself as a bridge, which I really, really respect to the point that we have lost so many pillars of our community, but you know, over time. And so you also mentioned, you know, the rich history and maybe some filming that's being done. If I could offer two other stakeholders that have very rich history, actually three of Banyan Drive, that would be Antitari, Nambia, he and her work. I know it well. Yeah. With the hair out there, until Lili Neu, Kili Ipio, who was a caretaker of Moku Ola, up until nine years old before the tsunami. Then of course, Halena Kapuni, he is associate curator for Native Hawaiian and Culture with our Smithsonian Museum. And I think we have just more layers of very rich history that can help drive some of the storytelling for that area. I also really appreciated your ability to think through complex things such as the ownership with the state looking at Hawaii development, redevelopment agency, Hawaii development corporation over on a walk with the legislative changes that need to happen. But if I could lean in a little bit more and let's not forget our friends over at OHA and the seated lands issues that would actually percolate because of the state land holdings there. So let's not forget them. No, completely agree. Yeah. Look forward to some of the good work we can do. I do have one question since you've already mentioned it. Sure. Yeah. Easy for you to head over to the legislature and champion and you. Absolutely. Yeah, I work on both the big island and Oahu and that's something that I was actually doing at my own expense. At the time I got snap voted into the chairmanship. We had like weeks until that legislation was, you know, going to be debated and whatnot. So I made multiple trips out there, you know, back and forth, chasing everybody down, you know, with a mayor on the phone at the time. I didn't know what I was doing. I'd never been up there before only in high school. They call it mock legislature. What was the thing that they're still doing? It's an amazing program, but I was less nothing even close to qualified to be doing that. But I do believe whenever you're given stewardship of something. You have to absolutely. If you know 100% you did your best then you can sleep on it. If not, no. Great. Thank you so much for being here looking forward to other good things. Members, we have a motion to close file on communication 1010 and for the nomination of Nathan Gattis to the Council with a favorable recommendation to sit on the Banyan Drive Hawaii redevelopment agency. All those in favor, please say aye. Contrary minded, Mr. Clerk, we have ayes with Ms. Calimba. Excuse you. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, Pomey for bringing such a great candidate. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Clerk, orders of order of resolutions, please. Sorry, testimony for resolution 591-24. Hearing none, resolution 591-24. Hearing none, resolution 591-24, men's rules procedure or organization of the Council of the County of Hawaii by men in rule number 26, related to transfer of county council district contingency relief funds and reduced Mr. Inaba. Move to for resolution 591- 4 to Council with a favorable recommendation. There's been a motion by Mr. Inaba and a second by Mr. Coneyley-Eckline-Felder to Ford Resolution 5, 9, 1, dash 2, 4 to the Council with a favorable recommendation. Mr. Inaba. Thank you, Chair. This resolution is pretty straightforward with the bill for our nonprofit grants in code. And this is a follow up to make sure that our Rule 26 subsection C aligns with that and it's pretty clear as to how the funds are transferred and that we are making sure that all of those funds benefit directly the public through an agency of the county or an eligible nonprofit. Ask for my colleague's support, Mahalo. Perfect. Any questions, thoughts, input? Seeing none, thank you, Mr. Inaba, for just always smoothing out the knots that we have in various policy work. All those in favor, we have a motion to forward resolution 591-24 to the Council with a favorable recommendation. All those in favor, please say aye. Contrary minded. Mr. Clerk, we have eight eight eyes with Miss Galimba excuse Alrighty mr. Clerk Resolution 592-24 please is there any testimony for resolution 592-24? Hearing none resolution 592-24 authorize the mayor to ensure an agreement with the State of Hawaii Department of Taxation, authorizes the mayor to enter a memorandum agreement to share confidential tax return information, relating to the administration of the State and counterwise accommodations tax introduced by Ms. Evans by request. Chair, motion to approve Resolution 592-24 and forward to Council with a favorable recommendation. Thank you. Thank you. We have a motion by Miss Kimball and a second by Miss Kagiwata to forward resolution 592-24 to the Council with a favorable recommendation. I'll handle it here. to the council with a favorable recommendation. I'll handle it here. Chair, I'd like to invite Deputy, and Director, Mr. Brown to come join us. My main question is just a point of curiosity as to which way the data sharing is going or is it's not clear in the resolution if we are sharing information with the state or vice versa or both. Aloha, good morning, Aaron Brown, finance. I have our TAT expert with us. This is Wilson Criter here and great question. I'm going to have our expert elaborate more on that. Basically, the resolution is a agreement with the state. A lot of the data we get to help process our TAT comes from the state. And so it's a sharing of information. This is one of the only taxes that we collect on our own. A lot of the taxes we usually get is collected on the state level and then pass down to us in certain ways. But this one is a new program that we administer ourselves and so the information that we get from them is very important and I think all that we'll see maybe speak a little bit more to the details on that. He is our expert. So thanks we'll see you. Good morning. So yes, as far as the MOU goes, it's like Aaron says, the state provides the state filing information to us, which we use to create our tax bills. There is a clause in the MOU that says that the state can request information back from us. The only thing they would really be asking would be payment information so that they can do their compliance work to see whether or not, you know, taxpayers are paying the county and not paying the state. But there hasn't been that request yet. So really it's just a one way communication at this time, but there is that option for them later on to ask. So we're primarily using the collection information from the state to ensure that we have county level compliance in terms of payment on the county level TAT. And that information is shared exclusively with the finance department or is that you can probably imagine where my question is going based on other items that we are deliberating. Are we doing any cross-checking with RPT or others to ensure that there are other components of the TAT and Trans-India Commodation Rantles, for example, that are being appropriately taxed and covered? Yeah, we're working with RPT, so we use that contact information to make sure that we're selling bills to the right people. And also with planning for as far as the permitting process. And I think there's a new ordinance that you guys are in the process of proving that they're going to pass that they come to us to get a certification. And so yeah, we have that communication to tell them what the link with accounts are so that they're not renewing permits. No, great question. Just want to add to that that I think the that was a topic that we continue to discuss all the time is the internal discussion and how do we, you know, take the data and how do we share that with the proper places, especially the divisions within finance to make sure some of the things you're talking about are being addressed. And Wilson is not a real good job of making sure that even when they do the reconciliation within the TAT to make sure we have enough information to reach out to these taxpayers, I think it is a little confusing because taxpayers who are subject to the TAT have to pay both the state and the county and a lot of times they're not aware that they also have to pay a separate county TAT. So it's been a lot of education, it's been a lot of reaching out and just making sure that our taxpayers are aware and then also getting the data from the state to make sure that we can reconcile properly and you know everything and everything is working on that end. So yeah. Great. And then one final question. Given the data sets you have and how they're formulated, would you be able to provide us with a report of the amount of TAT being contributed by transient accommodation rentals and their distribution across that distribution across the island. Not really. It's kind of hard based off of the information we get. The state, what they provide us is the taxpayer ID, their name, and then pretty much just their revenue. And so based off of that revenue, we calculate the 3%. Then we have contact information, which is again, just their mailing address. And so we don't know which property is generating the revenue per se. Yeah, yeah. OK. We're working with like I said, with RPT and so on, based off of that taxpayer name, to try and figure out where that property is. So we have limited information at this point. But we're hoping once planning gets more information from those listing agencies and they have where that property is located, we can take that information, merge it with our information, then we can give a better idea for where that generation of revenue is coming from. Okay. It'll be snarky here. But boy, it seems like we should have a registration process. Thank you. I guilt you. Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Anyone else? Oh, Mr. Kanye Lee, Klein, Calder. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for being here today. Just reading the last statement on the B-52, This MOU is necessary for the county to effectively administer its Hawaii County transient accommodations tax. But we've been doing this for how long now? Do I think the couple of years it started in 2022, January 2022? Would you say that we're doing it well right now? This is a substantial source of income used to be locked in at 19.5 million from the state. This is now a revenue source for the county that's substantial so has it gone well from 2022 to now or are we thinking we're not doing it well? Just look at that last statement that you did. Yeah it's definitely a lot better than when we first started and I can say from experience that we're doing it better than any other county in Hawaii. Okay. So we're ahead of the game as far as everybody else. In fact, we developed the software that everybody else is using currently on the other counties. Yeah. A lot of software packages that they're using but that was only been able to use it from that point in time that they purchased it until now. All their historical information, they haven't been able to go back to figure out what's been paid, what's not been paid. Or as we have all that information, and able to generate statements and do collections. And so, I think we're much further ahead of the game than everybody else. Yeah, cool. Yeah, to add to that, actually Wilson helped develop the database program that we're using right now. And he's flown to many of the other counties to help them kind of further develop their internal processes in how to track and reach out to a lot of the taxpayers. So yeah, we are pretty proud that we are, we're humbly ahead of some of the other counties, I think, in the TAT processing. And that's a big statement. Well done, sir. Thank you. So at one more time, then, this allows us, as MOU, provides information from the state to the counties. We can kind of reconcile where we stand with people who are saying they're paying their taxes versus who is. Well, it's actually our primary source of information of the revenue that people are reporting. In fact, right now it's the only source because until again we get that ordinance from the planning department that they get that revenue information from those listing agencies. I guess is what I would call them, the VRBOs, VACASA. If we could get the revenue information from them as well, then we can compare those two to see, you know, is there any reconciliation that needs to happen or any under-reporting or what have you? I like it. So I got you. That makes sense. Thank you very much and thank you for your work. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Mr. Coneyley, Klein powder. Anyone else? Check in over at Kona Cindy, Ms. Evans, any thoughts? No questions, thank you, Chair. Great. I too am very grateful, Wilson, for all your good work. I was able to attend the conference where a lot of our role-property tax collectors were at, and they talked a lot about software and programs. So you guys are doing great, but you guys could do better with new software and programs and maybe in a future budget, there's some opportunities there. Go ahead. We actually are in the process of contract with Tyler, who I actually upgrade our software. It's actually not going to cost us anything. We're using the SPL. The state procurement system. We're working through them with that. Was it SPL? Yeah, the state procurement system. So yeah. So yeah, we're working through them with that. So we're going to transition off of my home built system that you know, more professionally built system. Great. Thank you so much. And I do. I like the opportunities that we have where we can leverage all the counties with software programs that help everybody do their job better. Mr. Brown? Yeah. with software programs that help everybody do their job better, Mr. Brown? Yeah, so the new ERP or CONNECT system as we've branded it is going to have a module that we're really hoping it's being developed right now. We're in the planning and data generation phase but we're hoping that it will help our TAT team over there with a lot of the tracking and data. So I love it. I love it when you guys are seeing that we're in front of everybody else. Members, we have a motion on the floor to forward resolution 592-24 to the council with a favorable recommendation. All those in favor, please say aye. Contrary minded. Mr. Clerk, we have ayes with Ms. Calimba excused. Seeing no further business, thank you everyone. This meeting is adjourned at 10.13 a.m.