Okay ladies and gentlemen if you would join me this is our regular schedule, City Council meeting tonight. Wednesday evening, October 14th. Oh, 16th. 16th. Excuse me, October 16th. If you would join me with the legible agents. I put a legible agent to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, the faithful for the liberty and justice for all. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to offer an opening prayer? Seeing no one will observe a moment of silence. Thank you. Mayor Green. Here. Nice mayor Inskeit. Here. Councilman Lehman. Here. Councilwoman Hanchard. Still here. Fancy Smith Finance Officer, Shanna McLean Finance Officer, tab board public work manager, Chief Skyglyon, Captain Bray, Sergeant Hoffman, Chille Leonard Assistant Clerk, here for our new community development supervisor, Julie Denowski Records Clerk, City Attorney Andrew Han, I'm here. The agenda for this meeting was posted on the City's website, City Hall Bulletin Board on Wednesday, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We will go into council comments concerning the agenda. Any council comments concerning the agenda? No sir. Anything? No sir. Okay I have one comment I am going to read into the record, ladies and gentlemen. And this concerns the City Code of Conduct in public meetings. Practiceability and decorum in discussions and debate. Difficult questions, tough challenges to a particular point of view, and criticism of ideas and information are legitimate elements of a free democracy and action. 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City Council members shall support the maintenance of a positive and a constructive workplace environment for city employees and for the citizens and business dealing with the city. Members shall recognize their special role in dealings with city employees to in no way create the perception of inappropriate direction to staff. Limit contact to specific city staff. Questions of city staff in our requests for additional background information should be directed only to the city manager, city attorney, or department heads. This office of the city manager should be copied on all request. Governance of a city relies on the cooperative efforts of elected officials who set policy and city staff who implements and administers the council's policies. Therefore every effort should be made to be cooperative and show mutual respect for the contributions made by each individual for the good of the community. Proper conduct is keeping promises being dependable, building a solid reputation, participating, being available, demonstrating patience, showing empathy, holding on to ethical principles, under stress, listening attentively, studying thoroughly, keeping integrity intact, overcoming discouragement, going above and beyond time and time again and modeling as a professional manner. Proper conduct is not showing antagonism or hostility, deliberately lying or misleading, speaking recklessly, spreading rumors, stirring up bad feelings or divisiveness or acting in a self-righteous manner. It all comes down to respect. Respect for one another as individuals. Respect for the validity of different opinions. Respect for the democratic process and respect for the community that we serve. Are there any other council comments? Okay, we'll move on. We don't have a city manager, though, sir. No, we don't. That's correct. So noted that we do not have a city manager. Council just to address that what I would note is ordinances were drafted and so forth city clerk is substituted for city manager. So that applies to policies for whatever may be relevant for whatever isn't relevant is just antiquated. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Andrew. I will now move on to public comment. Is there anyone in the feeding this evening who would like to speak on a non-agenda item? Come forward, Mr. David Porter. Welcome. Dave Porter, 1-1835 East Fluke, Hove Drive, and Denowin. I'd like to follow up on a room that's going around and just discuss it. I have heard that Chad is totally out of work and he's all caught up. So in light of that, I'd like to ask Chad to consider the bright green signal control boxes that we had installed. They're fairly non-beautiful. I'd like to ask if you could contact the DOT and see if we can wrap those with something like the beautiful wrap that the police cars have or even a photo of the rainbow river or something like that. That makes that attractive more than the lime green. Thank you. And that rumor was alike. Chad, would you like to respond to Mr. Porter's observations and suggestions? Well, all right. I think he heard you loud and clear, David. Anyone else? Okay, seeing no one. We'll move on to the consent agenda and we'll accept public comment on the consent agenda items. This is for consent agenda items only. Anyone wish to speak? Seeing no one. I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. I move because I move that we approve the consent agenda. Is it a second? There's a motion on the floor and a second discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Well now move to the regular agenda. Item number one. Don Ellen, little league president Todd Patterson. Mr. Patterson, Todd, welcome to the City Council meeting this evening. Thank you for having us. I also brought my Vice President Joe Hoothal. I don't know if you want to join me up here or not, but you don't have to. Joe, you're more than welcome if you'd like to pitch it for him. Yeah, I'm on the spot. I'm going to put you on the spot. You're also more than welcome to be here tonight. We're so glad you're here. And if Chad's out of work, we got plenty of stuff we can do out there. I could put you to work. The page X is great. I'm just kidding. So thank you, Valerie, for reaching out and inviting us here. I know you had some inquiries about registration, kind of state of the league. How many kids do we have out there registered? And what our future plans are and how we can try to work together so If you guys want to ask me questions I can Provide answers or if you just want me to tell you you let me know why don't you just kind of give us your You know Be of what's going on out there and then if we have any follow-up questions and some I know we do have some concerns We'd like to speak to you about so I think that'll be but you just talked us first and then we'll communicate back with you how's that sound that's fine so I was just elected the president starting October 1st and Joe and both and I were both on the board previous to the current year Joe was in a vice president role and I was in a different capacity on the board. Right now we have roughly 150, 160 kids I think registered for fall which is typically a lot smaller than spring. It's more of the learning and development season for Lolli. In the spring we usually have, I think we had upwards of 350 this past spring. Obviously we would like to grow that more, bring more kids into the park and more people into the city. So, everything's been going pretty well. We've had some hiccups past year, unexpected expenditures. We had to replace our well. We had to move our fences back to being compliance for tournament play. Last, it was spring, what did we have, we had a mid-season tournament in spring, which I think was the first tournament to low league and yeah, several years, five years. So everything went off without a hitch. The district DA for Lil League said we did a great job. All the parents and kids and everybody out there said they you know had a great time. Everything was wonderful so we want to keep that going forward and continue to grow Lil League as best we can. How are the lights working? I know we replace those. They're working. We have some bulbs out. I mean, they, it just depends. Sometimes they'll work. And sometimes they just randomly go out. We do have some replacement bulbs. And thankfully, a lot of us know a lot of the folks in the community. And some of those folks step up and come help us take care of that. And don't charge us to do it. So Brian Hammock is one of them if you guys know Brian Hammock he's, I'll give him a shout out, he comes out anytime we need him. As long as he's available he'll come out and take care of the lights or trim up some trees if we have anything you know it could be a hazard. Is there anything that you're looking at that you'd like to talk to the city about? Because we don't have the responsibilities out there. It's always been volunteers and it's been like that for decades. I just didn't know if you had any big projects that were going to be trying to come up or anything. I mean, I know that people used to go out there and paint the dugouts. Thank you, big boy. You can tell I played a lot of softball days for myself. You know, and those types of things. So I just didn't know if there were any big products that you all were going to try and do fundraisers for or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, we're always trying to do fundraisers. We're in the process. We have to have a board meeting to discuss it and approve it. But we need to buy some equipment. Like we need it a long more. We have two right now, but they're constantly down. There's constantly repairs for them. And as you guys know, we don't have a constant study income of money. And it's strictly on what we get for registration. And our concession sales and how we engage with the community and businesses for fundraising. That's where we get our money. So when we have an expenditure like a well, it was $5,000 or $6,000 that we didn't expect on spending. Thankfully again, we know a lot of folks and we got some help there, But it's still, you know, unexpected and it puts the damper on things. We would like to revamp and paint some of the dugouts. We did somewhat rebuild the minor softball dugouts because they were just really pretty looking and falling apart and we tried to stabilize them a little bit and do some work there. The other dugouts are made of, you know, center block. So we don't want to knock them down, but we can make them look a lot better if we can. That's a project of ours. And just, you know, trying to get the field back in a better shape. It's not that we neglected it or anybody hasn't passed, but we just had two hurricanes that put a huge damper on things, trying to get things up to par. We had to delay our first week of gains for fall and close the park. So we're a week behind and just trying to still play cleanup. If there's any help that could be provided, we could always take help with field maintenance stuff like that. There's a few of us that go around in Moe and Weedwack, but you know it's that's a lot of time and that time could be invested in other things trying to get you know more fundraising raised, fixing other you know project around the field that we need to take care of and just addressing general issues. We have, most of us have full-time jobs and kids and things outside of the league and I don't know about Joe but some of us, like we spend more time there than I do at work. But I'm invested in it and I want to make it better for the kids and the community and if we can work together on certain things, we're here to be a partner because we could use all the help. Whatever it is, financial resources, equipment, whatever. We could use any help we could get. One thing that I will mention and it's not really directly on our responsibility. I don't know if it is the cities or the counties, but the one feedback, piece of feedback we got from the mid-season tournament, everything else was great, but every parent that came to the field complained about the roads. That's kind of- And I know Mr. Green, we were talking about getting the roads graded and those did get done, so thank you for doing that and getting that done, but it was after the mid-season. And that was just one of the biggest complaints we got, especially from some of the teams and parents that traveled. From Crystal River, you know, Shady Hills, West Ternando area, those parks don't have, you know, don't roads like we do. And not to say there are any better than us that's just where we're at, you know. If there's any long-term plans to, you know, improve the roads, then we would be forever grateful. So you got anything to add to that? I mean, you hit it all. Okay. You hit a great job. So, I mean, we're always looking for ways to do better and try to improve things. So we're open for feedback and comments if there's things we can do better. We're here to accept criticism as needed. See, we can do to make the league better than it is today. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Rex, good to be questioned. Tim, you said about 150 in the fall and about 300 in the spring. Does that include outside groups that come and play in the park also? No, that is strictly denailing registered players. Okay. So we have, let's say if we have, we have seven fields. And giving example, our mid-season tournament, we had 23 different teams, including our own teams. So there was upwards of 30, I think. Okay. They came to the park that weekend, which was Friday, Saturday, Sunday. So we were packed. Right. So in that scenario, you're talking, you know, 600 people, right, potentially. Okay. You know, sometimes all at once, sometimes, you know, 200 every, you know, a few hours, depending on how the games are staggered. Okay. Well, do you have any idea what time of the year? Excuse me. I don't mean it. No, I'm just kidding. I was just hitting on something. Did we have a rough idea when you may be the timing on the tournament this year? If we have one, I mean just a conjecture. If it's... Yeah, I'll have to go to a president's meeting. So we have to kind of essentially auction to try and get tournaments to us, right? Last year, I think it was May, middle of May, time frame. It would most likely be the same time, middle of May. But I won't know dates or anything like that until we have another president's meeting and we talk about next spring season and tournaments and stuff like that. I think that information whenever you confirm that up, give us a pretty good rough idea so that our police department and our Roach department we can all kind of work together to be able to handle that crowd. I think a little more coordination on that this coming year would be a real good idea for all of us. Yeah, absolutely. That's just a suggestion. That's fair suggestion. We'll let you know as soon as we get that information. Thank you, Tim. And thankfully, I think the sergeant isn't here, but he came out and handled an issue for the mid-season tournament. But that was one problem we had with the parent, and other than that, everything was good. So, thankful for that. Thank you. I have a question. Yeah. When people are out there, how many people did you say were on site for the term of the term? Upwards of probably 600 if you account for all the different teams that came in from out of our district or out of our city area. Well let me ask you if you wanted to raise money would it be viable for you to bring food trucks in to do that? And we've done that. Last fall, when we took over last fall, at the end of the season, we had games on the Saturday. It was the last day of the season for us. This season, we don't have games on the last day of games. It's not a Saturday, but we're trying to figure out something we can do for a fall festival to generate money. When we did that last fall, we had some food vendors out there. We did some raffle baskets to engage the parents in the community to donate, essentially, right, and help support Penelope. We did very well on that. So that's something else we're trying to do. During the mid-season tournament, I'll be quite honest. It is chaos out there. So trying to do a fundraiser on top of all of that, it would probably break everything. But yes, we do think about doing those type of things so we can try to generate funds and bring things into the park. Is there anything that went on during the tournament that you would wish that Don Ellen could have worked with you to make it more successful or to make it easier? I mean, it took a lot to get our fences moved. That was on us. The fences were moved years ago. They were, the fields were shrunk, basically. So several of our fields could not be used or certified for tournament play. They had to be extended 20 and 25 feet. So a lot of that was done by these guys standing up here and a few others. So not saying the city needed to help us with that, but on top of that we had to do all the field maintenance. Those type of things could definitely be helpful. And then the road situation, because that's what we got the most grief from the community. And not just people traveling out, we hear about it from the Nellin community as well. So we can only do so much. I try to deflect the question because I know it's, you know, it costs money, right? And that's for Yoni. I mean, it's just an unauthorized thing, but I know that we don't have a lot of hotels. Would it be worth investigating whether or not we could use part of that field land if people wanted to bring like our bees and park their with their kids over a weekend? Yeah, and would you all be able to charge them and make some money off of that? We potentially could charge, yes. I know people have done that in the past, especially the folks down in like Hudson and Spring Hill, shady hill areas. They've brought our bees or campers up before and parked at the field. Now that hasn't happened since we've been on the board, but I know it has happened before. And that's something we can take back to the board and talk about. We want to put it out there when we have another tournament for the teams that got to travel far away. Maybe that's the possibility. If they have those, the equipment, they have campers or RVs, maybe that's something we can look at. That's what we're looking at in that aspect. And we have to find out where the actual property lines are, because we're already limited for what we're looking at. It is during the term. Yeah. So we have to see that the actual property lines are in relationship where our parking lots are right now. So. I would need to verify insurance and how that would be affected as well. Now I'm just trying to think of things because I know that you're trying to raise money and in other ways to raise money, the fund raisers, like when you go to a football game, send $1 to park. Right, right. But listen, if we get charged to park, I would love it. I just don't think people are going to show up if we start charging to park. No, no, no, I understand that. but then you would have a bigger pool of money to work on to improve the facilities. And then as they improve a little more and more people would want to come to next year. Yeah, and there's other things we've talked about potentially doing having, you know, maybe some travel ball tournaments out at the field because, you know, there's an entry fee for travel ball tournaments. And that would generate, you know, extra funds for the leagues. So that's on the table. We just have to talk about it, discuss it, and try to plan it out, see what's available. So. Let me explain the road situation and then, I'll try to go. All right. It goes sort of gravel roads, you know know, comes with problems in and of themselves. What we have just done is we have a contract set up that we haven't had before because boy's been, there's been people saying, hey, you haven't graded, you have graded, some people saying we've been out there twice a year. So give everybody a conclusion. We just put a contract out there. And the time frame that we're looking at doing it so that the reins don't destroy the Iraq and the new grading is roughly looking at after the reins in November. That's not a hard type thing, OK? And then prior to the rains in May. And that's the issue is we spend over 20, that's the highest costing maintained roads that we have in the entire city. Taxpayers pay over $20,000 a year, it might be 22 this year, to re-rock in Grey Dose Roads. So that's the taxpayers' dilemma. Okay, now with the robes were never meant to take the amount of traffic, I think that we're seeing now from the outside groups. I think they're okay to take the locals, you know, the done-alone folks that have signed up and all that. So the more traffic out there just makes the road issue, even that much worse. And that's where we're at to go pave the roads. You can't just go throw a black top down because you have to get into storm water and all that. So we can't just go out there and it's over $10 million bill and our annual budget's $4 million. And to do when we look up to get what's the special tax called? Special assessment. Yeah, right, I can assessment out there. All right. It would bankrupt everybody out there, if we had them pay that kind of assessment. We have ran that through rough numbers with the county. And it's pretty ugly. So the best that you can explain that, you know, to the folks that are out there, hey, why do roads this, why are that? It's not that we're not taking care of them. We don't have any more money to put in. Trust me, I understand that. Right, I know you do. I've listened to you. I can not understand. Yeah. and I can understand. And we tried to explain that to folks when they, you know, like listen, then I was not the biggest city in the world. No. And that's not the only thing to spend money on, but we understand that, we'll take it back. But, right, and we so much you can do with the pot of money that you've got it. And we've upped the budget every again, you put a word out, those are the most expensive roads we have in the city that we maintain. And the only other thing, we get a lot of complaints from the people that live out there. And I'm sure you've heard this too also. You know, I went out there last spring just to take a look. You know, I went out there last spring just to take a look. You know, I'm hearing about it, I'm hearing about it. I thought, man, I just go out there when an event is going on and I was not surprised, but I understood what the residents were talking about. You know, the speeds when something, not everybody naturally, but you know, seemed like some people run a little bit later or something and they're flying down those roads. And then roads got little kids on them. You know, I don't have to say anything about children. You know, off the well, we're there. If there's a way that you could put out and remind the folks, hey, they're traveling through residential Rose with little kids. You know, and I know some of you that's running late, they hit a little kid, you know, and mostly they better run somebody over. You got it. And mostly everybody's going to get ruined and that's just not worth it. Be five minutes late. We can definitely put some not to our members and our parents to make sure that they respect the speed and be cautious of right if there are kids out there, even if it's not a kid. Right. So people live out there too. People live out there too. I don't like you, but I don't like people flying by my house. I'm not a got to get my kids a little big man and nest their focus so be reminded them every once in a while hey you know nobody wants to get nested so probably should be that other than that happy ball games man good luck to y' Todd, did you hear? Yeah, I'm pressing the camera. I probably gave the main call to you. On the ballfield maintenance, do you guys give you the maintenance as non-AIRs and taking care of the field and stuff that way? Just you guys do. Pretty much. There's like three of us that do. Like, for the past, I don't know, five, six weeks. It's like I've been out there on a Saturday or Sunday from like 8 to 4 30 all day. Because I try to get all the fields done at one time. So we're not doing a field every night because if we have practice or games, I don't want to be on a field with a mower. And I don't want to be on a field next to a game with a mower distracting the players, the umpires, the coaches. We want to have it maintained and you know set up, ready to go when So when get all that done before people get out there. What things do you usually have game players at various? It usually varies, but for the fall right now, our games are scheduled. I think all of them, pretty much all on Mondays and Thursdays. I think we have a few games on different days of the week, but the majority is Monday, Thursday for this season. Typically in the spring, it's usually every day, but Wednesday and Sunday. Saturday not as many, but it's usually Monday Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, during the week. Is when we'll have what we call, interleague games. So that's when Crystal River, Inverness, or one of the other leagues comes travels to us. We have house games as well, which is denele versus denele. But most of those are during the week. And then if we have to travel for, you know, Spring Hill or the other side of O'Cala, sometimes those are reserved for Friday night or Saturday. So we don't have to, you know, worry about kids staying up till 9, 10 o'clock at night, playing a ball game, having to drive, you know, an hour back home. So- for the fall season currently yes which is goes through November 15th whatever I think it's the second Friday in November I can't remember the date. Do you guys have like a parent leading me prior to like the seed and start and that was the seed a bunch of calls that was calling up to field, the sand purers and how high the grass was, and they call and tell me, if we were told it's parents responsibility, they have to maintain the fields if they keep them. So we did not have a parent meeting prior to the fall season because of the hurricanes and, you know, we just didn't have the time to do it with other things we had to get done. There is nobody on our board that has told the parents that it's your responsibility to come out here and mo. In fact, I've told the managers and several parents that I'm trying to get it to where you guys don't have to do that. Because I'm also a parent outside of being a board member. And if I want to come watch my kid play, I want to come watch my kid play. I don't have to worry about if I'm scheduled to move the yard today or the grass. That's why I'm trying to get it done where we don't have to burden the parents with that. We're asking them to pay a registration fee, we're asking them to come participate in the league, but that is not something that's required. Now if they want to volunteer and step up, we will take it all. But it's not required. Nothing's really technically required, right? They're volunteers if they're helping. The biggest thing we need help from parents is just picking up their trash. Like, we did some, we built some score boxes out there for scorekeepers and like, there's parents and kids throwing trash on top of the roof. Who's going to clean it up? We are. We got to climb up on a roof and clean that up every night. Like, that's the part that's frustrating but we need to handle that internally and talk to our parents but the parents have not been told that it's their responsibility. They may have been told you can help because we'll take all the help and get it but it's not required. Yeah, there's just some of the calls that hit and the answer that you know you have to sort it through what they say in material. And some parents I think like to just complain to complain I mean you guys are in government And like you're prod because we are volunteer and we have like we try to have you know separation between what we do Personally and what we do at the low league so like I don't voluntarily give up my phone number People are welcome to message us or email us. And that's how we try to separate things. Because if you give up somebody's phone number, they're gonna be blowing you up one time. So, but we do have different various methods of communication, whether it's email, to the little league general email, a lot of folks have my personal little league email, plus the little league on Facebook Messenger. So we have definitely different ways that people can reach out to us. And there's I don't know a handful of people that have complained about the Sandspur's this year, but I get it an ants. But Florida, you're gonna have ants. I mean we're trying to control it, but you go through two hurricanes as well and you know I'm worried about putting a roof on a dugout or I'm worried about fixing the power line that fell down you know those kind of things to me are more important not to say ants aren't important but you got to prioritize things because if you got a power line down like I close the field so I didn't want anybody out there nothing not even board members were out there until we got that fix because it just takes one person to get stuck and then that's a whole other problem. So Chad you have Todd's information also because you get most of the calls so that you can at least communicate with him and you guys are on the same page. I get got cool okay. So I didn't have last name. Did you send that to me or did you send my number to Chad? I think you're number to Chad. Okay. Okay. Feel free to call me or reach out if you need anything. Or you have the people complaining. You don't do that. About literally. Specifically, literally. Thought we had it made your dad. No, I have to ask him a question. Just because they all call, I don't know the answers. Yeah. And what they tell you and what's true. No, I mean, there are ants out there, but again, it's Florida. We're trying to, it's 20 acres, right? And there's four people that are pretty much out there maintaining 20 acres on the days that we can get out there. So I think we could do a little better as a group, but we are doing what we can for the folks that are actually engaged in doing things. So, but what we're working on, I have plans on the ant problem and we've got to get the other motor fixed, if we can get motor fixed and get the fields, we're getting the fields tilled again this weekend. So that'll kill if there's any ants on the fields the clay specifically to get rid of the grass and get all that kind of cleaned up again So can we can we have maintenance we can't lock that field because if there's chemicals on the field It's like my hand if anyone's slap my hand. I'm locking the gate so nobody gets sick We did it last year. We did it last year. We did it last year and locked the fields when we sprayed because we didn't want kids going out there. Even if it's just something to come out there to play toss with your dad, you've got poison on the field trying to kill weeds or kill ants. We don't want anybody to get sick. You're all good. We just had one of the kids that lives over there went out in Blue Donuts all over our field and tore up all the play. So, that's what our police told us. Yeah. So, we handled that. We finally, for the police department, we found out who I talked to, but we finally got in touch with the dad. I can't remember the person's officer's name I talked to, but they did come out and put some time into fix that. Granted, it's a 12 or 13 year old kid. I don't think he knows what tough work is yet, but we had him out there for a good solid week. Rakin, cleaning up stuff, so hopefully he learned his lesson. Right. So. Well, it's a valuable lesson, that's for sure. I sure hope it was, because I was not very happy. I know. None of us would be. None of us would be. The message I portrayed to him was like, if you come out here and do that, whether you play a hear or not, I said, look at all these fields and all these kids playing here. I said, you're letting those kids down and you're affecting those kids. Not just us, don't worry about me, but worry about the kids that can't come out and play. Or one of the kids that runs through the play and steps in a divot that you did and breaks our ankle. Who's gonna pay for that? The Lilly's not to pay for that. So, hopefully he gets the message. The dad was not happy. He was very supportive of getting him out there to fix his kid. So that was good. Yes. Well, hopefully the kid doesn't cause any more ruckus because I think there were some other incidents with the same kid prior to that and what I heard. But yeah. Todd, thank you all for taking the time and coming out. Thank you for having me. You're great meeting you. You as well. And next time you all do any fundraisers, make sure that you let me know what the city, are you all members of the Chamber of Commerce? It's a good question. I don't know. I should be. I will find out. I will find out. Is there a put the information out there for you? Okay. Todd, we have grandparents out there now that are watching their grandkids playing on a field they played on. This has been an institution in this community for over 40 years. And it's always been volunteers and you guys are carrying the mantle. Yeah. Between the Dunnell and Little League and our Corporal Warner organization here in town, those two organizations have done more for the youth of this community than anything I could ever imagine. You too are to be committed in your board and all your volunteers, everyone who is keeping this wonderful traditional life. And I know I speak for the council. We are so proud of you stepping up for our community. It means a lot to all of us. Thank you. We appreciate it. And thank you folks for being here tonight. You're always welcome. Come back anytime. We appreciate that. I got you on Facebook Messenger. Yes, sir. When I see something come in, I do everything I can to respond. Soon as I get out of school, I'm looking at that phone. We appreciate it. And likewise, if there's anything, you know, Valerie, have my number, you can reach out to me or share it. Reach out to us on Facebook, whichever. There's something you need our help with or something we can help you guys with as partners. Let us know. Sounds fantastic. Have fun this year. We're going to try. Thank you. Where's the super, the big one? What's the, yeah, let's see y'all do that this year. We could look. We'd love to get there. So long road. Well, Bob Warner got there. Hit it. You know, Don Ellen versus New York. I think that's pretty amazing. We'll try to get there. All right, Bob, great evening. Thank you very much for your time. Well Todd, don't forget when your children are grown, you won't need to know the difference. Walk right up here. Thank you. All right, we'll move move on to public hearing statement. You get to read that. Madam Clerk. All persons wishing to address the City Council will be asked to limit their comments to the specific subject being addressed. Public opinions and input are valued by the Council. However it is requested that comments are directed at specific issues rather than personal comments directed toward council members or staff in order to foster mutual respect between council members and the public. Members of the public and attendance at public forums should listen curtously and attentively to all public discussions before the body and focus on the business at hand. They shall refrain from interrupting other speakers, making personal comments not germane to the business of the body or otherwise interfering with the orderly conduct of meetings. Members of the Public Addressing City Council and Board of Commission on a specific project or proposal are requested to disclose any personal interest or relationship and any business professional or financial interest with any individual group project or proposal regarding the subject matter under review. Members of the public should always err on the side of more public disclosure, not less, in the regular meeting and open the public hearing for ordinance ORD 2024-08 school speed zone advertised in the Riverland news on 10, 4, 2024 and posted posted on the city website on 926-2024. We'll entertain staff comments. Council, I don't have a presentation. I'll just state nothing has changed since the previous reading. If there are any questions, I would be happy to answer them if I can. Anyone else have anything? Anyone else from the staff? Okay. We'll entertain public comment. Is there anyone in the public who would like to make a comment on this particular item. Seeing no one, it is now 6.22, 6.21 PM, and I close the public hearing held to discuss ordinance ORD, 2024-08, and reopen the October 16th City Council meeting. Move on now to agenda item number 2A, final reading of ORD, ordinance ORD 2024-08 school speed zone. I move ordinance 2024. There's a motion on the floor. Any discussion? All those in favour say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Ordnance number 0RD. 2020 408. An ordinance of the city of Dinellen, Florida. Amending the city code by vacating and deleting chapter 39 traffic management, traffic calming, parking and pedestrian safety in its entirety, creating chapter 66 article 4, school speed zone enforcement, establishing a school zone speed enforcement program to authorize the use of speed detection systems within the city, providing for program implementation requirements, providing for designation of school zones, providing for enforcement procedures, providing for collection of evidence, public records, and retention requirements, providing for annual reporting requirements, providing for the remittance of collected funds and costs, providing for severability, providing for conflicts, providing for codification, providing an effective date. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak at this point in time? Seeing no one, I'll entertain a motion. I move your order. It's a motion on the floor second discussion all those in favor say aye motion carries We'll move on now to item number three resolutions Three a resolution RES 2 2 4 dash 32 surplus equipment Will accept public comment on this particular item anyone wish to speak on this issue Seeing no one I'll entertain a motion to be read by title only I Move resolution RES no twenty twenty four-32 read be read by title only There's a motion on the floor there is a second discussion all those in favor say aye aye Resolution resolution number RES 2024-32 a resolution of the city of Dennell on Florida declaring certain property is surplus and providing for disposal thereup. I'll entertain a motion for approval. So moved. Second. There's a motion on the floor and a second for approval discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. All those in favor say aye aye motion carries We move on now to item 3b resolution RES 2024-33 vacation rental registration fees back up to be provided Mayor I'll speak to this At the workshop last week we talked about Trying to come back to you at this meeting with an estimated cost of what we thought the registration fee and the renewal fee should be set at, but we kind of went in a different direction when the subject of software was discussed and we were directed to start looking back at that option again. So I don't have a cost for you, I don't have a resolution ready, but I'm just going to run through a couple of things that points that I put together. This is in the backup folder as well if you'd like to look at it. Madam Clerk, so what we should do is table this until the next meeting and then you're going to present your information now and we'll table this for the next meeting. Is that the plan? Would you suggest? Yes, I don't think we will be prepared to bring your resolution until maybe October, I mean, I'm sorry, November, but more likely December. Is there any questions from Councilwoman? It's not. By the way, back up, son, I'm like, do you put it in the back up folder? I did. Oh, I put it to the top. Did you put it in the back up folder? I did. Oh, I put it under the department. It's under department reports in the back up folder. Okay, so on the subject of software, when we looked at this last year, we received a proposal from Greenicus in August of 2023 and that proposal was $14,500 in change. I have identified 42 short term rental registered within the city limits and that was on through the Department of Business and Professional Reg regulation website. There is a search feature in there where you can narrow it down by the type of license in the town and the county. And of course there were like 11 pages that of registrants but I went through and identified 42. Our current ordinance is scheduled for enforcement beginning January 1st, according to the last resolution that Council passed, extending that deadline beyond October 1st. But we can push that out further if it becomes necessary. The amount of staff time that it's going to take to administer this vacation rental registration enforcement is largely going to depend on whether or not we get software. So I can't really provide you with a number at this time until that decision is made. So what I'm proposing is that we establish an implementation team to start looking at software and a sign task to different departments. We are looking, we requested a quote from a company called Local Gov for short-term rental compliance hosting and we attended a demonstration of that software today. Michelle and Ron and I looked at that. I was pretty impressed, but we also want to look at another provider called GovOS, which a lot of cities in Florida use for their host compliance. What our implementation team will do is benchmark other cities, look at other cities, websites, their programs for online registration payment and that sort of thing. Communicate with those cities and see what they like about the software, what they don't like about the software and try to get a feel for one of the three that we're looking at. And I also sent out an email yesterday in the clerks form with a number of questions to the clerks in our central west district to see if any of their cities are using a motion to resolve where trying to get something back there. I'm looking to prepare a recommendation for Council to consider in November or December and prepare a resolution establishing the fees for consideration in November or December. And if Council chooses to allow us to move forward with software implementation. The next step would be to contract with the host compliance provider. Identify the funding source because we'll obviously have to pay for this upfront. I know that we're going to recoup this cost through the registration fees. But we will need to identify funding source for that initial purchase. Then we would create an implementation plan. And according to local gov, a full software implementation could take up to 90 days. Because this includes establishing forms and workflows and training and all that. So it could take up to 90 days, but he said they have met shorter deadlines. I don't remember what Grana does. I don't recall what their implementation timeline looked like, but I can research that. At some point during this process, we're going to have to coordinate with Marion County on fire inspections, and we're already making steps toward doing that with our forms and things that we've created for short-term rental registration. And then before we go full enforcement, we would do a lot of public notice on the city website and the newspaper. And for those short-term rental owners that we have identified through DVPR, I would recommend sending out letters to them individually to advise them when the enforcement will begin. So that's sort of the plan, if you will. Rawer, do you know? I appreciate anything I can do I'd like to know. If we implement this and we find somebody has a register, is it possible for us to implement a find to them for not registering? I believe that situation has been dealt with in the ordinance but I haven't looked at it. It's in the ordinance, right? What? The penalty stuff is all in the ordinance for stuff like that. So if I go back to the ordinance, yes sir. Because what I was discussing with somebody is if there would be a way to track the police time and I believe probably would run be the one if there was a code issue who would go out, whether or not they had too many people in the building at them one time, would Ron be the person we were sending out there? Or would we have to do it through the police department? Okay, and the force, I was told the force from our police department. How would it be, would it be one in force? It would be one. Code forst. Code forst. Well, the reason I'm asking is if we could treat the violations of this because I know that I've had several people call me about the parking and everything else out there. Is it, is there in a way on the police reports or if Ron goes out there that we can keep track of their time how much time they actually spend and then at the end of the year when we have the registration fee we tie that back into the registration fee so that the people who are not in compliance that we can get reimbursed then through the registration fees for the actual time like if Ron's got to go out or the police have to send people out to where we could recoup the money so that and to put a little bit more bite into it. The registration fees are not punitive so the answer is no, you can't go about that way. for the common cross for violations and there's a range to do things there but essentially permitting fees and so forth are just for that. The cause is issuing the permit. They don't become a means to penalize other because ultimately, you know, things which are suggesting but ultimately what that becomes from a, you know, just applying the logic is that you have other Biting short-term rental owners paying for all the violations of others, right and We can't do that legally could we then could we keep tracking the violations of the people who we know and then submit them a bill? There's the wait what the city can do. I do have I believe it's included in the ordinance like I said but you know when it comes to law enforcement and that type of things those are funded by taxpayers not by user fees essentially. Okay let me ask the aspects of the software that we're looking at though does track how many violations and that's one of the one of the many software that we're looking at, though, does track how many violations, and that's one of the many things that we're looking at the software for. This software, we're track individual violations, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. These are treated just like, and I pulled up the last draft of the ordinance. They're treated like code enforcement violations, and so it goes through the code enforcement system, and violators are assessed to find just like other code like code enforcement violations and so it goes through the code enforcement system and violators are assessed to find just like other code and you know just like other violations in certain classes. So there's a specific class that's assigned to this and so there's a fine that goes along with it as well as the cost of the prosecution can be assessed by the magistrate. I guess what I'm trying to get to is the bottom line is and listening to what Councilman Inskeep and Dave have said about the cost as we can take this $14,000 and we can pass it on to the people who were regulating. My question is there is why can't the same process be implemented to the people who violate the law to make them pay for us. If we're going to make the owners pay for the software, then why can't we make the people who rent out to violators pay for the cost to us, for Ron and the police department to do their job. I'm just trying to find a way to where it, if we have to spend our money and our resources to police then we should be getting compensated for that too. Well, they do. So if you think about it as a criminal violation, or any other kind of civil violation. So for instance, with being under code enforcement, there's a statutory code enforcement chapter. And the city has a code enforcement chapter within its code. So if there's a violation, there's a fine that is assessed for that violation. If it's not paid, it's prosecuted, if it's prosecuted, you get more fines. There's a statutory limit to the amount of fines that can be assessed. So any type of time or anything beyond that essentially becomes a fine which would, if it exceeds that statutory limit becomes problematic. So it's set up to follow the code enforcement system established by the legislature and these cities code enforcement system is set up to meet the requirements of the legislature. Okay. Okay. Okay, because I'm just trying to avoid when we were on the fire department, we had people who constantly did not repair the fire alarms and we had to send trucks out. So what we did was we started every time that they, we had to send a truck out, we sent them a registered letter and then we charge from $1,500 per hour. It's amazing how fast the arms got fixed and what I'm saying is if we could be in that mentality because until it costs some money, they'll just keep doing the same thing. This is a case where you have to prove a violation, right? So you have to go through that enforcement procedure and that's when you get those fines. Okay. So you can't be just if somebody goes out there, if there's a call, say that there's a violation, you're unable to prove that, or there's not something. Okay. Then there can't be a cost associated with that. Okay. What if the code enforcement officer observes something? Fine. Give him a citation. They don't pay it, prosec given another five. And then it becomes a lien and ultimately runs with the man. Okay. I just wanna try to keep him accountable. Okay, good thing. No, Tim? You know I'm more good at thinking. Oh, I think that's your own right track, Mandy, to try to gather as much information as you can. And your efforts to contact the other cities that have been through this and made decisions, you know, best for their community, probably as your best template. Because we're traveling down the same path that they've already been down. And I think you're on the right track. And I think the council's consensus we just do as say, Mandies will not vote on this tonight. I'll consider it. Table it. Jim. Absolutely. OK. OK. Everything? Well then, let's everybody have an in agreement, we'll move on then to item four, regular agenda items, amendments six to the agreement, AGR209-03, Powell and Jones CPAs. And I'll accept public comment on this particular item. Anyone in the public wishes to speak on this particular issue? Seeing no one, let's see here. I'll entertain a motion. I move to authorize the Mayor to sign amendment number six to agreement AGR 200903 by Powell and Jim C.P.A.'s. Second there's a motion on the floor second discussion. All those information. Mr. Mayor I think. Mr. Mayor I've submitted two proposals as I was directed to go back and see if we could renegotiate the original proposal fee increase of 5% a year. So I've provided two proposals. One is the original at 5% a year. The other is fees based on the change in CPI on an annual basis. So whichever, either if you're accepting staff's recommendation, you just need to kind of clarify that. So we know which amendment to sign. Okay. My apologies. We're going to discussion. Let's go into discussion on this particular issue because I know Tim broke this up at the last meeting and I know you followed up with it. And, and staff, we're going to, we're going to go into discussions about this right now then, Jan. And staff did recommend the original proposal since it was a fixed fee, fixed amount so you know how much to budget each year. There's no surprises because two or three years from now you don't know what the change in the consumer price index is going to be, I've given you an example over the last four years So yes, it's come way down from a high of 9.06% But there's nothing to say at some point it might jump back up to that or or above 5% So that's where our recommendation came in at the fixed fee at least you know that for three years Go okay anybody have any questions for Jan on this or concerns our recommendation came in at the fixed fee. At least you know that for three years. Go. Okay. Anybody have any questions for Jan on this or concerns with her recommendation? That's what I'd like to amend my motion. I'm not amended. Thank you. Did you have anything for it? Just that I'm all good. See the 5% is that I agree with Jan on the CPI before the last meeting I took a look at the CPI and I've seen exactly what she's seen during the when everything went crazy right after COVID their CPI is also went crazy at wind nuts so based on what's normalcy now, who knows? And so I agree with Jan's recommendation, let's go with the original 5% rather than the CPI. Okay, and do you have anything, Rich? Five percent. So I'm in a pain of motion now, Valorant. I'm in my motion to accept the agreement as suggested by staff which is the 5% and not the other ones. Okay is there a second? Second discussion. Anyone from the public wish to speak? All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. We move on now to item 4B historic board appointments. We'll accept public comment on item 4B. Seeing no one. I'll entertain a motion. So moved. Second. There's a motion on the floor to reappoint Mr. Wilton Martin to a full member of the historic board and to appoint Ms. Angie Rosier as full member of this historic preservation board. Do those have to be two separate motions? Yes. They do. Okay. Well, we will entertain the motion. we will entertain the motion to reappoint Mr. Wilton Martin To a full term of the historic preservation board for three year term affected January 22nd 2024 to January 22nd 27 so vote second all right. There's a motion on the floor in a second discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. I'll now entertain a motion to move to a point Miss Angie Rosier to a full member of the historic preservation board for a three year term effective November 8, 2024 to November 8, 2027. So moved. Second. There's a motion on the floor in a27. So moved. Second. There's a motion on the floor in a second discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Well now we're going to department reports. Who would wish to begin this report? Mayor, I have a couple things I'd like to touch on. First, I was contracted by waste management yesterday and advised that the debris that is piling up around town is getting to be more than what they are contracted to remove to pick up. They're still going to get small bundles that are put out like they normally would, the regular or size yard waste. And they asked if we would be interested in contracting with them at an hourly rate to get some of the larger debris that's out on the roads that we normally wouldn't pick up. I did confirm with Jan yesterday that FEMA is going to cover 100% reimbursement for debris removal. Okay. So we reached out to our debris removal contractor, Levin Gaston, and they came out in the assessment today and said that we don't have enough for them to engage the contract. So I guess now we're back to whether or not we want to contract with waste management and shortly before the meeting, Chad and I talk. And Chad, I'll let you take it from here about how you think you want to handle it I felt the bill 11 is brother this is the very move to come on he come in the go through town check that grab the mic please He he come to go through town everything and did assessment the city and said that we don't have enough to breathe here to justify the bill they would have or them to come pick it up. We talked about you know what waste management don't pick up the bigger stuff. We talked earlier in here with waste management and they said they could provide us with three to four forty yards of raw dumpsters a year at no cost. I guess public works could go and try to pick up the bigger stuff that we can do with our grapple and our dump truck and try to fill a 40 yard or if waste management would provide them for us that we could unload them and put the stuff in there. Let's see. Only other thing besides being the residential responsibility for their own cleanup. I can think of it. Yeah, I have a question. When you say that the company didn't want to do it because there wasn't enough to meet the criteria, but would FEMA still pay for it if a smaller contractor did it? That, I don't know. I know he has had a company that we had and he says based on a yardage base, we have to have so many yardage debris and stuff for them to be able to come in and be justified the cost. Okay, so I guess what I'm trying to say is if there was other than that company if there was a smaller vendor would they be able to pick the stuff up and then charge FEMA? I can answer that. We have to competitively bid. Okay. We can't just arbitrarily hire somebody. FEMA's requirements are, the debris has to be measured. So FEMA has to be told the quantity that is picked up. There's got to be pictures taken. They have to have GPS coordinates of every debris site. There's a lot of requirements to get FEMA to reimburse you. It doesn't mean it can't be done. If Chad's staff picks up a pile, if it can be measured, and that's kind of above my pay grade, but you take a picture of it, you take the GPS coordinate, can't do anything on private roads or private property. So this is only debris that would be in the right away. So that's kind of where you're at with any FEMA reimbursement. I guess the question is no more. The stuff we're running too is what people are bringing off private property and putting it in our right. So is it considered right away or is it considered private property? I think you would be okay if it's on the right of way. That's that's kind of my opinion you can't go on somebody's property and pick up a big tree lamp and put it in your dumpster on your truck. If they move it to the right of way, then you pick it up because then it's on city property and it's now become a hazard for the city. But again, we would really need to get with FEMA to say, what are your requirements to reimburse? And I really gave you the list. And media is something we can look into because we've got close to 50 yards now of storm debris. We've been piling to the cemetery. We picked up plus there's still debris out there that we have to get to get to get to know how do you measure that? The containers, that's what I was thinking. The containers are certain yard containers. So we fill up a 40 yard container. There's 40 yards of stuff. It's a little different than that. I'm going to explain me because it depends on the density of the material because we put a big old wishing tree in there and take a dumpster. It's not considered a 40-yarder because they have to compact this mesh that it was in there. Okay. That I don't know how it would determine, exactly. Lessons by a measurement, I think with the height, I can imagine they may do that way and become up with the yardage. That's a common thank you. Okay. I guess right now we have close to 50 yards. And Jan, if we go with waste management, if we go with waste management, do we still have to go out and get this? We competitively bid that contract. Right. And if there's a clause in there about coming in and picking up stuff like that, I'm sure it would be acceptable because we can prove we went out for bid for that contract. Okay. I don't know that there's a storm clause in there. Well, there was a fireman. I know there's a clause in there for anything over four inches, but then the property owner has to contact waste management and it would be a personal thing. I can pull it up real quick. And we think of a whole different rate on that also. Price rate that would be charged to the city beyond their normal rates. Okay. And also the debris has to be completely cleared and picked up within 89 days. So there's a time limit. And just real quick about the pictures and the GPS. When you take a picture, if you on an iPhone at least, that's as intelligent as I get, the picture you can show where it is. And so I don't know. And it gives you the coordinates. So I think if we took a picture of all the picture and that on our our and then Prince of it and did however we needed to do it. I think that would at least be an extra step we wouldn't have to take. Now we use time with with the cemetery being the dump site. There may be an environmental impact because you're talking of cemetery now. So this is something that I don't have a contacted FEMA. I mean, I have one for Adalia that I can talk to to see what kind of information I can get. But there's gonna be a lot of questions that we'll have to answer, I mean, like with every storm. Like, remember the sand question, they wanted to know who gave us the sand, who picked up the sand, where was it taken, and what does Marion County do with it? Questions that were outside of our responsibility, but we still had to provide the answers. I had to provide the address of where the leftover sand was taken. That's going to be the same thing for this storm if Marion County came and picked up any sand or delivered sand. So it's a lot of red tape. It does not mean we cannot get reimbursed. We just have to follow the requirements to the tee. In our location, I forgot to talk with the debris removal company. We've used this location and it's been pre-approved by FEMA in the T. In our location, I forgot to talk with the debris removal company. We've used this location and been pre-approved by FEMA in the past. Oh, OK. The different hurricane. This is the new way. The EGA requirements. Oh, they did. They did. Oh, OK. And this will be all right. Oh, great. OK. OK, that's one less hurdle, which is good. Chad, what would be your recommendation of bottom line from where you see it right now? From where you see it now, not. I mean, it's just going to be a man I was. I mean, it's going to take us a lot longer time. And we're going to have to dedicate just the all guys doing that with the short staff and what they need. It'll be our whole staff thing. On the time wise, I don't know without really getting a better assessment of everything we got left. We spent 17 hours in just cleaning roads. We've moved in all the trees and they're opening the roads just after this last storm. Mayor, there is a clause in the contract. There is a clause in the contract that we can contract with waste management for storm debris removal. And the cost that they get in me is $235 an hour of clestisposal costs. Do you want to consider that? We get 100% reimbursement. It may not be quick, but the city will eventually see that money. No, we'll waste management. Let me ask a question this way. Does public works need to be involved? Does public works need to go gather it up, put it in dumpsters or waste management just takes care of it. Awesome. Okay. Is that like give it a little bit of the limit size because I know they have certain size because there's some big tree trunks and stuff like that. Does it not matter? They do it all. You know right now it's I think it's four foot long, four inches in four inches in a dime. No, this is specific to the big, you know, just like Mike was when he called me yesterday he saw him. to the big you know just like Mike was when he called me yesterday he's got he's riding around town and there's piles of debris out by the road there are five foot high and 10 foot long right right they're trucks are not going to pick them up on regular routes right but they will send out a gravel truck to come and clean up that debris for $235 $235 an hour plus the disposal cost. and in the contract it says the contractor will be compensated by the city for additional personnel over time costs of rental equipment provided the bidder has first secured written authorization and approval from the city clerk for the rates at a total not to exceed cost so they would have to give me other than the 235 an hour and not to exceed cost as well. Okay. And we'd have to do up some sort of contract, you know, one page, you know, contract amendment or something to address that. Okay. I'm going to assume. Yeah, and one thing that I would be careful about, I was just discussing it with Jan, is typically with FEMA contracts, you know, for any type of federal funding, you have to have all the federal clauses in, and typically local waste hauling and so forth do not include the federal clauses. City of the Netherlands does not. And so it's important to make sure with FEMA that that is not a requirement for this particular storm because FEMA is very easy to see, is rather amorphous when it comes to what they're going to do year to year and how they're going to reimburse. And that sort of thing, it's a moving target that probably is necessary for them to operate. But also provides a lot of uncertainty. So it's just one thing to nail down, and that's one thing that I would encourage staff to investigate. I don't have any information on that. I do have some information too. The FEMA is offering potentially some reimbursement for private roads. So long, certain forms are filled out right of entries if there's a gated community, for instance. So with this particular storm, there may be some opportunities that weren't available before. But I do know there's a lot of misinformation out there and it's hard to get to the bottom of an answer. But one thing to keep in mind is those federal procurement requirements. FEMA I know has reimbursed in the past when those have not been present so long as the monitoring would really require them and so forth are followed and this seems to be the most generous offer that has been made in some time for reimbursement. So that may be the case but I can do nothing but speculate at this point. Well, certainly, if waste management is involved, and if they're involved in areas all over the state of Florida, and they're well-familiar with the documentation that's necessary and they took comply with female, and I would think they would be, and it's even in our own areas, that our area manager would be familiar and help us extend the help we need to be sure we're in compliance with FEMA's requirements. So I think it's probably the best thing to do. We don't, we need to remember, the bottom line is we need to secure the safety of the community. And getting rid of this material as soon as possible is in our city's interest and our citizens interest. So I don't see a problem with going ahead with our contract that we have with waste management. With of course the advice of public works with Todd and the city clerk whatever you want to try to do. I mean I'll take the recommendation. I mean that's the way I feel about it. We need to move forward with it. We don't need to you know stretch this out any longer than we have to. Whatever you would recommend I have no problem with. I have confidence in you allall to put it together. And with Jan and trying to be sure the wording is correct, to comply with FEMA. I mean, we want you to do that. I want it picked up as soon as possible. And I know we all do. Well, we can confirm with Mike tomorrow to make sure that he is fully aware of the FEMA reporting requirements and that waste management is prepared to document everything accordingly so that we can apply for reimbursement and then Jan may be follow up with a phone call to FEMA tomorrow to sort of say, you know, here's our plan. Our debris removal contractor will not engage because there's not enough, but we do have a contract with our sanitation and they've offered a rate. I'll see if I can...if there's somebody available to speak to. Is anybody on the council on the convener? This chief have a...from EOC is there a contact that we could put Jan to. Jan. Yes, maybe we just talk to Aaron or the EOC and we'll follow that and get them in. Good. Do you have anything? No, the right track. I think so. Yes. I just want to ask Chad. Chad, since we've been through two storms and now we're getting into the part where we're gonna have the winter storms. Like you remember the storms we had during the spring, where the schools close and the tornadoes. Is there any equipment? Because I know handling from experience, handling big tree limbs and stuff, they take up a lot of space and a lot of men power. Is there any equipment, like say chippers, that we can look into getting to make it easier for you to better utilize your staff? I think the storm or biggest thing is just getting into a central location. I mean if we had grinders or chippers or something like that, I don't know what that would take to get rid of the repile but at the, the storm, everything else, our biggest thing is just moving stuff that we can to a different area so we can get stuff cleaned up and open up. Is there any equipment that you feel that you need that'll facilitate it for you, that we could look into this year getting. Could you think about it? Yes, the second one, I can't, the storm is just what we can do at the time. Yeah, preventative labor, you know, we rent lifts during the year, take out certain trees, or anything else, and try to clear up the stuff. We've been ret've been met from, we did last time for an ace and crystal river. But at the immediate time of the storm, notably because it's just what we can do to open up everything, but prevent it and stuff like that, you know, or maybe more things like that. Sally, do you have anything? Can you have anything you want to come in? Councillor, I just want to make sure the distinction is clear because I mentioned the monitoring and the procurement. The thing that really I think needs to be clear with them is all those federal contracts and the city's debris removal contract specifically was procured pursuant to federal requirements. They're much more stringent than state requirements. That's all a part of their contract. If FEMA will reimburse, and like I said before, they have for contracts that don't contain those. But any time that we're creating a contract that we know is going to be subject to FEMA, it contains those federal requirements. And so if you're looking for your waste removal contract, that does not. That is just one potential issue that FEMA could kick back. So, for instance, I had a number of communities that have asked for emergency debris removal contracts and we produced those. The caveat that comes with those is it's potentially possible and may not get FEMA reimbursement if you use these contracts. Nonetheless, it doesn't affect the decision because at the end of the day, the debris has to go. And so, there's the procession there. But I just do want to make it clear not to add an era, element of foreboding, but I have seen communities that have had issues with FEMA and don't even pursue FEMA in the past. They have not because they've had such issues with FEMA. I think a lot of that's been remedied, but there can be issues with certain contracts and they have happened in the past. So I just want to make that clear given that there was some talk of an expectation of reimbursement. There's always a possibility that that won't necessarily come through. And council, you do have an emergency reserve. This is a prime example of use of that reserve to get the debris removed. And if it doesn't get reimbursed, it doesn't get reimbursed. You know what I'm saying? We'll put in, we'll provide all the documentation that we can get. And it'll be uploaded into the portal and we'll get assigned a project manager who will hold our hands and walk us through it. And we've had things eliminated in the past for other storms, but they've been on a very small scale, not to breathe removal removal but other things. So this is what your emergency reserve, you know one reason why this reserve was established. Perfect. Well that's what we want, like I said I'm sure the council agrees with the idea that we want this situation resolved as soon as possible and as safely as possible. So that's the path we want to try to take. And last I looked, I think you have over a million dollars in that reserve. Okay. Any other, are we kind of set with what we're going to do, ma'am? I have a question for Andrew. Since that language is in the current contract, would a motion by council to authorize me to approve a proposal and an amount not to exceed X? I don't have the purchasing policy in front of me, but yes. I think so. It's in the contract. Not only that, but you have emergency provisions that, you know, it's not a bidding process. I mean, it's per the contract. So you're clearly defining the parameters and I'm sorry, I'm thinking through what you're talking. I don't see that being a problem. All right. Do you want a limit it? Do you want a limit it to a dollar amount? Well, that's the way it reads in the contract. Oh, okay. Sorry. So what was it $2.35 an hour? If you had big equipment and you could do it like waste management could just a ballpark. How many hours? I mean we're looking at 10 hours, 15 hours, 30 hours. If you had their stuff. I got it. Cost the cost of this, but it's okay. Costs is an inch of that. A better idea of what people's bringing out yet. Okay. It says, the main thing, we have put 15 hours on just trying to open the roads and clean the roads for vehicles. I'm just trying to think of a way that we can help you, and find a number. I'm just I'm just trying to think of a way that we can help you man the fine number And was it out of let's say it took him a week let's say it took him a 40 hour week to do it That's $9400 plus the cost of disposal So I mean you could say you can set it at 15,000 to be safe. Or higher. Yeah, whatever it's going to, that's what's going to cost us one way or the other. We need to, yeah. I mean we will have a figure because the production that they're going to create and getting the job done is going to indicate what it cost us. It's simple math. In other words, like you said, if they work a 40-hour week on this job, that's what it'll cost us plus the removal fee, which, you know, that's all baked into it too, because it has to be paid. So let me read this to you. The contractor will be compensated by the city for additional personnel over time cost of rental equipment provided the bidder has first secured written authorization and approval From the city clerk for the rates and total not to exceed cost So was the rental the $235 per hour was that including His overtime fees and his rental costs that's everything with the exception of disposal It's personal okay disposal expensive I mean I'm thinking 2025,000 I Think we're in ballpark So you need a We need to, we need to vote in a proven number tonight. Is that what you're looking for? We want to go ahead and engage the judges against the judges. Okay, gotcha. So we don't have time yet. No, no, no, no, no, where I was at, I didn't know if Mike could give us an idea, okay, but we don't have time for that. That's what you're saying. Gotcha. Well, I'll entertain you at this point. Jan, Jan has a finger. I just have a question. What if, okay, they reach this not to exceed cost and they're still debris on the roads, you know, on the right of ways. What if it's not enough? Then we bring it back to council. Okay. I was just, you know, looking at options. You guys, as We have 89 days. What figure would be just a 5-o that we know of right now? What kind of give us an idea? 25, 20, whatever you think would be just a 5-o. We could go ahead and make a motion and approve. I mean, if the council agrees. This is only for actual done Ellen, right? Yes, for the city. I would say just go with the 40 hours. It shouldn't take a more than 40 hours. That is five working days of a truck out there and they can have, and they do all of done Ellen at about three or four hours. So they just basically drive down, pick up and go. So what figure? 25K, I think. Only 25k we're going to be way safe. That's what I'm thinking. Okay. Well, whatever it's going to be, we're going to be going. It's going to go. But we have to get the job done. Just to clarify though, so we don't lose out on FEMA funds. You'll contact Mike and see what his understanding of how FEMA works Jan will contact FEMA and Make sure we have our eyes dotted and teased cross to do the best we can to get funds if we Whatever reason we cannot Dot those eyes and cross those teas and it'll come out of the emergency I reserve Yeah, I just don't want to lose out on you know how do the emergency reserve anyway I'm with you again with and we can hope for reimbursement right next year and I'm with you but just like to understand what tease need crossed what ice need dotted so we don't us you know if it takes a day or two to figure that out it takes a day or two but we execute anything with waste management right we'll get all that squared away before I prove anything. Okay. And when we set this up as a time thing that they're going to be here this date and this date or sort of an annual because what we see is we don't think on there. We can talk to Mike about that tomorrow. It's over. It comes back two weeks later and cleans out a jar and puts everything on the front front. Right. I understand where Chad's coming from. Yeah. So we will take advantage of this issue. You got it. Right. Yeah. Yes. I mean, basically, let's just say it takes them one day. All right. Once they go through that neighborhood, that's it. There is no more. Yeah, that's it. That's what I was bringing up last meeting is maybe we could look at after this is done next year, looking at a contractor putting out a bid for somebody to do this other than waste management for just like a one day, just for like one haul after the meeting. I mean, one haul after the storm, like a week later and we were done. We thought we had that covered. We do have a contract is this is twice now this contractor won't do it yeah so we need to relook at that who we're using I'll entertain a motion then is there someone on the council wish to make a motion I'll make a motion that we authorize waste management to as Tim said he felt safe for 25k to pick up the trash, the remaining trash from the storm. All right. There's a motion on the floor. There's a second. Is there any discussion? Discussion do we need to have it, the motion state that we give permission to Mandy to execute a contract with the raised management. Once FEMA regulations and staff have feel comfortable like what you said. I can't remember the word. I'm like, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, whatever this word is, we're out of a shoot written them down. And then have the mayor sign that? Is that what the motion should have said? If you can approve it. Oh, you can approve it. I can't. I need counsel to give me authorization to approve it after we take in the necessary steps as discussed to confirm with FEMA and waste management regarding reimbursement. I think that's what Rick said. I will rescind my motion and say I move that we give a man, Mandy, the authority to follow through the contract for waste removal. For the 25,000. Yeah, that's basically good. So that gives you what you need, Mandy. Second. Yeah, is there any public comment on this? Anyone wish to make a statement? Seeing no one, entertaining. Vote on this. All in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. What lasted a lot longer than I was. I'm not going to entertain vote on this. All in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. That lasted a lot longer than I was going to do. But we're all trying to understand we want to be in compliance with the federal government, you know, and it's very difficult. And I think the time was well spent. So we're all pretty clear on what we're trying to achieve. And we won't trash picked up for the city as soon as possible. And maybe we should do a little, FYI, you know, Facebook and things to help residents, you know, please don't put any more trash on the side of the road. Well, that's exactly when they move. They need more yardways to be on the side of the road. Just think that you're enough, then, if you think it's for times running out. I just let them handle it. They know what they're doing. Let them get out there as soon as possible. That's the way I look at it. Because longer you wait, the more that stuff's going to wind up in the curb. That's why it's the more we wait, the more somebody's going to say, hey, I can go just as Tim said, I can go trim my trees. Yeah, we want to be, we want to ensure the safety of the community. That's the whole point. Not to provide a service for people to clear out their yards. That's not fair. That's not fair to the overall citizens in the community. So we want to be fair to everyone. OK. I just have one more report from my department, and Michelle's going to talk to the Internet and Phone system. OK. So I was asked to provide an update for you all about where we are at with our internet and phone project transferring everything from the multitude of providers that we currently have over to Lumen. So we are on track despite a couple of delays, we did have a couple of setbacks due to the fact that AT&T went on strike. And so that kind of put us behind quite a little bit, and we did have some disruptions due to the recent storms. But we are back on track. I have scheduled the final installation of the hardware for the Internet hookups. The police department will be installed on Friday and City Hall and Public Works will be installed on Monday. With that, we are hopeful that once that is done, they will do the post test and turnups on Lumen side shortly afterwards. Hopefully Andy will be able to, hopefully we'll be able to schedule on Thursday for Andy to quote flip the switch. It's not really that easy, but that's what they call it. Flip the switch. Andy will come over next week on Wednesday and change our switch over, because we're getting a new switch. It's a new piece of hardware. And then he's going to do all of that prep work. And then Thursday, he's going to change all three locations over from the old internet to the new internet. If we can get that scheduled, we do need to coordinate that with Lumen, but their goal is to have the internet changed over by the end of the next week. Once that is done, then they will do their testing the, they're doing their initial test and cut over and they are going to do a schedule test in turn up of the VoIP phone system, VoIP being voice over internet. The following week, which is the week of November 4th. We should be getting our phones in before that. The target full completion and functionality will be by the end of the week of November 11th for the phones. That includes placing all of the phones at all of the next top locations. And then the final step will be porting all of the existing numbers from the current phone provider. All of that is done, of course. They'll have a little bit of a testing. Make sure everything's fully functional and running. But soup to nuts, everything should be completed. All of the old providers should be disconnected and everything should be live with Lumen by the absolute latest November 15th. We don't want to cut everything off immediately. As soon as we do it, we want to give it a little bit of a transition period. But there should be little to no disruption of anything. Meaning we will not have to stop anybody from working when we change over the internet. No one should be without their phones for any extended period of time. I mean of course it's, it'll take a few minutes for somebody's phone to be transferred over so you won't have a phone for a couple of minutes. But the phone lines won't go down. The phones will still ring. You just might not be able to call someone's extension and actually speak with them for a minute or two. It might go straight to voicemail. But, couple more weeks. All right, any questions from Michelle on this? Nice job. Okay, how about any more reports and departments? Chad, do you have anything? I don't have too much with the road screen up and stuff like that, so you get 15 hours in that. We had to clear out seven trees that had intersection and roads a lot to be able to cut up and get cleared out. Earlier we talked about Dan Allen Heights and the road graded in the limo. We're looking hopefully in November right now. The quarries are flooded. The quarries run to water, the pockets run to water for a stone to water. So that's what we're dealing with. But I did a follow up with Rockman Old Favors and talked to him and he said, once they can get stoned and get into a quarry, they'll get on the road, but right now they can't get into 40s of your aim stuff. Chad, I want us to get that information out on our city website as soon as possible, because I have been questioned about that and they're very good concerns, because we understand, you know, I've told them that this work was hopefully get started in September. Now we're halfway through October, and I know we've had the storms, and I know we had a lot of rain, and I've explained that to them. But that information I did not have. So information is key to getting the word out to the public that this is the reason that we're not seeing the road to done now. And I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that we have an explanation. Yeah, I'm keeping with rightful papers and you'll give us updates when you can get in. Well I want us to keep, keep, keep, keep updated on our website so we can refer to that. So our public will know that we are moving on and this is what the constraint is right now rather than all the rumors that go on. You know that we're not doing our job and all of a sudden, the other way we're struggling is best we can. But this will answer some of those concerns. Could we also add, Mr. Chair, if you're okay with this? Again, I just let everybody know, this is the first time we're exercising this particular contract, if I'm right, if I remember correctly. And like I said, we typically set it up for November and May, and this particular contract if I'm right, if I remember correctly. And like I said, we typically set it up for November in May, because we put it down too early, the storms just wash it out. But if we could add that information to what you just asked, then everybody will understand, hey, every November, every May, you should see your roads getting done. Yeah, I agree. And it's not practical to do it in September in the first place because that's heavy rainy season for us. And now you see where we are, now we're halfway through October and hopefully we're into our dry season now after the drenching. But the drenching is what's caused the lay on right. But the public doesn't see the perception that we do. Their view is when, well, there's a reason why it's not now. And that helps us, all of us, helps our whole city, and it puts aside a lot of these sad comments that are going to be made that it's just not being intended to. So that's the point. And exactly what Tim said. We want to communicate to our public. OK. You have anything else? That's it. I'd like to thank the people who come out. We have the Sandbag Publications. We did over 9,000 sandbags. And my back can prove it. And I don't know how Chad's even sanding up. 9,000 sandbags. That's amazing Chad. More volunteers show up. It wasn't a ton, but it helped. We had volunteers show up. We've never had before, and it helped out a lot. He was one young man there. Chris, wasn't that his name? Oh yeah. Chris, I mean, he lives there on a metal with forms area and he wasn't having any work. So he literally I mean he had a safety shirt and everything and he was there what two three days from seven a text message and hope that he was well. I never went back from him. But there were a couple of general, I mean, people that were just driving up and they were going to get there back and they'd see these older people trying to struggle and they'd sit there for another good 30 minutes and hour helping other people come in. It was really a great, I'm sorry we were having to do it, but it was a great view of what our citizens and the areas that live around us, our neighbors, and they were, it was good. A lot of ad-vail, but it was good. This is the kind of information that's valuable to our citizens, that they actually see our city as functioning, and we do function with volunteers. Our whole community is based on volunteerism. And this demonstrates exactly what Valerie is emphasizing, and we need that with volunteers. Our whole community is based on volunteerism. And this demonstrates exactly what Valerie's emphasizing, and we need that on the website. We need these kinds of information, put out consistently to our public as much as we can. So I would encourage that, you know, that anytime you've got information like that, it's 9,000 bags, and then if you have, if these people want to be anonymous and not recognized, there's a way to recognize and without their name and just say, just name off, you know, how many you had and how many hours some of these people put in. We don't want to publish high people's names without their permission, but we certainly want to recognize it. Volunteerism. Chad, are there machines, are there same bag machines or something that will make it easier? There is. You have not there. Can you look into them for us? Yeah, I did actually look into one, I did put into one for that, through Florida, a water, which they ran out of money. So our grant is set until they get refunded, but their own machines got the crystal of reaction that's got one this year. That. Well, I would suggest you talk to Troy Slattery about it and get some information from Troy because I think we're going to be okay this fall. I think we're heading in beyond the season now, but we need to be prepared for next year because these storms are not going to stop. And it would help us a great deal if we hadn't. When I've seen them demonstrated and it is amazing how quick and how efficient they are and to keep the public moving when they come in to get the bags, it's amazing. I can say that I saw a presentation on when I was at the Leighers' meeting. I looked at the information. I've got all the information that the color will on the line. OK, well, you've got, you know, we have another season coming. And Chad, that grant, is it like a no, we missed out on it last time? It does it auto. Yeah, we're in it. We are just there. It's just as the money generates. They award this stuff as a money generate. Right. They award the stuff as a good. Okay. So we're still live. It's not a term thing. It doesn't run out. Okay. You set an item until Florida Worldwide generates money or whatever they get to get to get money. They're not awarded according to. Okay. So we'll probably get it on July or something. That's all right. We don't need it. Well, it'll work with next year. And the county employees were really helpful too. They were very nice. They actually staged a couple of people down there, three people, two different days and helped. That's good. Internmentally, when they didn't have to run somewhere else, they would have more bags. So they said the record distributing for bags they've ever had, they recall. Is that conclude you? distributing for bags I've ever had a date recall. But is that conclude you, everything? Ron, you're in the saddle now, bud. Oh, okay, I'll just send them up. Well, Mr. Mayor, Council, I don't have a report prepared. However, what? What was that for? But I would like to share some of the positive feedback that I've received due to the storm. Some permitting inspections, things were delayed and pushed back. And this week alone, I've received a lot of phone calls, a lot of emails like Chad. I kind of get that general inquiry phone line where people call just about anything. Has nothing to do with community development, but they have questions or they're confused. So it comes to me and I take the time to figure it out, do research for them and just be that listening ear. So I've got a lot of positive feedback about every department in the city, including PD, public works, community development, everybody that has just jumped in and helped catch things up and even our other safe fill with fall law getting out inspections and people are happy. Even told me today I got a few positive thank you you guys answered the phone. You rescheduled quickly for us and it was good to hear so I wanted to share that the positive feedback from citizens and contractors things like that so yeah they see we're working. Any questions for Ron? Thank you, Ron. Who else? Jan, do you have anything? Anybody else? Have anything? Chief, your turn. Oh, good evening. Hope everybody did okay from the storm. It survived. A cat embrace should have passed out. Our monthly report, everybody should have that. This is for the month of September. We did 81 calls for service. You can see it's burped down there. The three deaths that we had were non-suspicious and just natural. Looking at our traffic activity over the month, we had 100. were non-suspicious and just natural. Looking at our traffic activity over the month, we had 100 stops, 62 warnings, 18 citations. We should have the second page, I think, or tell them about our high visibility traffic. We did that in September 19th. We did the same thing last year. Nope, that's fine, it's just numbers. We did the same thing last year. We got lucky enough to be able to get Mary and County Sheriff's Office, HFHP, and Willisden to join us this year because we did it at this late date. It was towards the end of their fiscal year so they weren't able to come out and join. But through that, the couple of hours that we were out, we were able to do 60 traffic stops just with our officers within those couple of hours. We wrote three citations and had one arrest. The Marine unit over the month, we had four ordinance violations. We had three requests for marine response, and we had 112 contacts on the river. Volunteer hours provided by our police volunteers, they did 90 hours through the month of time. They worked a lot this month helping us prepare for the storms, fixing some vehicles and updating a few things. And then our CGS audits, all our David audits, our Elvis audits and links audits are all completed and we're in compliance. Sweet. Chief, I just wanted to tell you that, Miss Ram, sorry, I just wanted to tell you that, Ms. Ram, sorry. I just wanted to tell you that a lot of the citizens, at least in Bott's Springs, during the storm, they felt so comforted knowing that y'all were out there. You know, you were running around with the lights on. And I had, you know, because we always walk around that neighborhood. And so many of them, you know, wanted me to make sure I complimented y'all because they knew that you were there. They felt comfortable in case something did happen to tree fall. That, I mean, y'all weren't there one time. Y'all must have been there numerous times probably when I did find fall asleep. So, I just wanted to make sure that you please tell all of the officers thank you that the citizens did recognize you and they did feel comforted knowing that you were controlling the neighborhoods frequently with the lights on and such. So thank you all very much. I'm glad you all stayed safe. Thank you and that's part of my report for the hurricane. No, that's perfect. So going into the emergency management report for Hurricane Milton, as far as what we know, damage to city property. There was none. Unless Chad or somebody else knows of anything else. I don't think there was any damage to city property. Citizens property, we know of at least two. There was the tree that fell on the house in blue cove and a tree also fell on a camper in blue cove Traffic during the time with the evacuation and the returning Once the storm cleared it did increase through the city that did get Backed up here in there, but it managed to work itself out We didn't have to go out and stand at traffic lights and direct traffic. That came at Murphy, oil. So for fuel, we all know fuel got scarce. There was a lot of evacuees talking to Marion County's emergency management. The evacuees were being redirected to 41 by maps and everything else because 326, 318, I-75, 441, all of that was backed up. So they were rerouting from Gainesville to into Williston and Johnson and then coming down 41 and the only place in multiple counties to get gas this area was the Murphy gas That Murphy gas was the only one in the area that was getting constant resupplies The rest of the gas stations if they got us resupply it was out within a matter of hours and they didn't get another one. So traffic was backing up. It was backing up Southbound 41. And it was backing up Northbound 41 for the left turn to get into Murphy. So the officers went up there, in fact they were up there Monday night, the night of our workshop meeting, prior to even starting the meeting. But at that time Murphy gas asked us to close it down. The employees were worried too many customers. So they asked us to just close it down, which basically all we do is turn your lights off and switch pumps off. So immediately after the meeting we were up there working on getting that started back open. Patrolls, which is what you were just mentioning. So what we did through the storm is we broke the city up into five different zones. And we would send officers to the zones. Go check this zone, go check that zone instead of just saying hey, go to Vosprings. We sent them to a zone that included Vosprings. So they were driving up and down those roads all night long. They could get back into the REOC and say hey zone five is fine. Zone three is good. There's a tree down to zone two. We were keeping track of that. And I really think we kept up with it. And I don't think Chad, we missed anything. I think we got everything through the night. So when Chad came in on Thursday, we provided him a list of what was there, and he could go right out and get to it. We stayed highly visible with our lights on. Couple reasons, one, so the citizens knew we were out there and we were watching over them. The other thing is we didn't want the criminals and the looters to think that everybody went to bed because the storm was here. So if people were out and about, which there were still several people out and about, through the night, they saw us out there constantly. The other things that we did is we assisted the American County Sheriff's Office with monitoring chatmeyer, hammock estates, and a river retreat. So when they had something come up of those minor, we would go out and check it. If it turned into a report they would come out and work the report. But because it was right here close enough we could knock those out really fast for them. Flooding. The captain did put a 13 slide power point together if you all want to see it and what the current conditions are on the river. I'm any can pull that up. Currently within the city limits at Dennell, there is no threat of flooding. We are experiencing high waters, but no homes are threatened. The pond that's in Blucove has reached the point that is moving over into the DRAs on the east side of it. That water is flowing to a drain that's by Ibus Court and can't drive but it's draining. So these are areas here showing our local area. There's nothing too dramatic. Chief, have you already posted these on your city website? We just got these kind of up and going. I'm sure that's in the process. That's just a question. That's all these? Yes. And then that's it. That's kind of what we're experiencing right now. I was out on Sunday, took some photos. I'd go to the Tuber exit. As you're walking down to get in the water, there's that very first white line and then you hit another white line that go across. The water was up to just past that very first white line yesterday. It was up a little bit higher. So it is getting a little higher on the rainbow but we're not experiencing any drastic floods that we keep hearing about. With that, today we got a phone call from the Marion County Emergency Management requesting that we close our boat ramp. Reason for that is Citrus County has closed all of their county road or county owned boat ramps on the river. With the Kuchee River, within Citrus County does have flooding areas. Boats that are going on the water are creating wakes. Those wakes are creating property damage Portions of the river within citrus county are now posted are now closed You cannot have a boat on the water at all And there are also other areas that are now Idol speed only But there are sections Citrus County that no boats are allowed. Right now, currently, there is Hernando County, Citrus County, Marion County, Sumter County, and FWC is out there patrolling the river. So if you're out there, you're probably going to get stopped. And they have also, I believe, those Citrus County today asked us to start getting down the river here starting tomorrow and start watching out over here. Did they tell you about how long they thought they'd keep the boat ramps closed? I had somebody ask me today. I did not give me any answer, but by the 19th, we should start seeing the rivers dropping. Thank you. So. the 19th we should start seeing the rivers dropping. Thank you. So these are restrictions that with the no boats on the river at all and the idle speed only those come from the Florida administrative code. So those are Florida state statues. That's not just the county saying no boats out here. Media, the mayor has made it known and requested that we do our best to work with the media and social media and keep the citizens that live here, plus families that have moved away, that still have families here, and concerns, to please keep them up to date as constant and current as possible, which we're trying to do. As we move forward, some of the things I talked to Mandy about this today, just a future suggestion looking at some other phone lines and they may be here in the city hall already. You could have a vacant number somewhere but adding like an employee information line and a citizen information line. The employee information line, if we're going to reopen the city, employees can call that information line. They'll get a recording and say, hey, city's still closed. Hey, nope, be in the work by 12. It saves Mandy the work of calling each individual person, trying to find out where they are, what, hey, we're coming into work and still closed, or any other information that the city wants to pass on to their employees, and then have a citizen information line. I know right now the concern is the flooding for the river. So the citizens could be calling in, hearing a recording of this going, currently within the city limits of Dennell and there's absolutely no fear of flooding. So that's just a suggestion for the future if that's something we can come up with. The other thing for the citizen information, the shared part of the EOC contacted me before the storm hit, they needed a pod location. They needed some place to put a minimum of five semi-trailers in Dennellen. We don't have that area. But this was going to be for opening up to serve MREs, water, ice, tarps, that kind of stuff. And what they had seen when they were up in, I'm going to guess, swanney area up there. They had just gotten back over the weekend. They were dealing with 35,000 cars a day of coming through the pod area. So they were expecting something similar out here in the Western Marion County, the Den Allen area. So if anybody has a better location than the Windixi and they were lucky enough that Windixi let them do that, because when they were in a Windixi location up north here, Windixi got mad at them, because they're given away food and Windixi is like we're selling. We're open for business, why are you in our parking lot, given away food? So Windixi here was generous. No, absolutely come here. Why don't you go out to the airport? We're not allowed to use the airport for that. I asked the question, but that's the answer. We're not allowed to use the airport. So, they didn't give me the explanation. They just said they're not allowed. I offered a bill golf course there up at where the cheers restaurant is. They were best friends? Yes, that's got a big parking lot, nobody's there. They did look into that, but they elected the Windixie area because they have to, where are they gonna line up all these cars? If they're talking 30,000 vehicles a day, the ease of getting back onto 41, you've got the right turn lane, left turn lanes, kind of right there on 41, plus you got the light to start getting people out, so they opted that. So if anybody knows of a better location, please let me know, and we'll get that to the EOC for future. The other thing with the storm, y'all know our generator didn't work. We were able to get it started and came on. It looks like it was a dead battery. That generator is supposed to be exercising itself once a week for 30 minutes. I don't know what time that's supposed to happen, what day that's supposed to happen. That's something we're definitely going to jump on and find out when this is supposed to be happening so we can get out and check it and make sure it is running and exercising. The other thing is when it finally did come on, it did not power the outlets, it was supposed to power. So our server room did not get powered, which we did not find out till I was hearing a beeping noise and I walked in there and it's the battery backup and I was watching it go 50% 47%, 46%, 43%. So we were able to get an extension cord to it and it's still running off an extension cord now because if the power goes back down the middle of the night and an officer is not there, we could lose everything on that server. So a work order has been sent to me, so I will address them here. The first one is we purchased a speed trailer. And the question is why is it sitting at public works for the past month or so gathering dust? There's been a storm. We can't put this trailer out during the storm. When we did receive this trailer, there was a couple of things that needed. One that needed the Sims card and the other was we had to have the training. The day we got the SIM cards in that was done, the day that the training happened The trailer was out that was out alongside the road We hooked it up on the road with the training it was up and running we pulled that trailer in for Helene And no, we did not put it out because we knew as another storm was coming so That's why that trailer has not been out right now We're not putting out during these storms to have a $38,000 piece of equipment damaged. Another email was a citizen sent a picture of patrol car parked on San Jose. Why would it be parked there instead of being in town where the roads are congested? Some things, the police department, you don't get to know, but I'll answer that one. But sometimes cars are out there. That could have been the officer sitting waiting on a search warrant for the sheriff's office. That could have been the warrant we were looking for for the guy in Dennell Heights. That could have been because there was no power in Dennell Heights, so that officer had just done a security through there and then it was watching. That could be because we've gotten how many complaints of people speeding over there in Dennell Heights. All right. Or it could be the real story is that officer was sitting there sending me an email that I'd demanded him to send me. And it was the end of his shift. He was sending that email to me. He was waiting for the oncoming duty officer to meet and do a face-to-face handover of the shift. So I'm not expecting them to be doing that out on 484 at 35 miles an hour. They have the right to pull over and do some things. But there's the answer for that one. I'm going to go to the police officer. This one here hits me in the gut and upsets me very much. I had a request by a council member to be introduced to the police officers. So we had a traffic detail planned. member to be introduced to the police officers. So we had a traffic detail planned and it just happened to be fall on a council night. So why not before we even get started, they're here already, bring them in and introduce them to the council. You get to see their face, they get to see your face. The other thing is they're hearing from citizens out there that there are members of this, just like my email said, there are members of this council that have been trying to close the police department. I know through the conversations I've had with you, I know through the emails you sent to me after this or the conversations I've had with you, I know through the emails you sent to me after this or the conversation I've had with you, that is not true. I know you guys support the police department 100%. I have gone and spoke to this over and over and over, but you still have a citizen that keeps telling the officers that they are in contact with council daily and they're trying to shut the police department down. I can only say so much. I can only do so much. So if they're here and they see you and you do what the mayor did, you know, we really appreciate you guys out there. Thank you very much. What harm does that cause? I thought that was a really nice gesture to everybody. They need officers need to know who you are as well. But apparently that is my poor leadership. And I'm passing the buck to the council on that. I find that very disheartening and undesirable. The other thing on some emails that I've received, I have noticed unknown people in these emails. Some of the people I know, other people I have no clue who are in these emails. This now becomes a security threat to the police department. If we're responding to all, just hitting all, you know, reply all, giving answers to everybody and we're not paying attention to who all is on there, not my concern is who's in the blind carbon copy, who's in, who's in these emails. And if we're sending out confidential information, because our emails are encrypted and we're thinking it's going to a confidential email and it's going to unknown people this now has become a security threat to the police department. I don't know what we're clicking on anymore. I don't know what we're opening anymore. And if there's a Trojan horse that's in there somewhere, that is not going to go over well. The other thing is there is reduction that needs to be done to some of these emails. And you are bypassing the reduction needs from the city. If somebody did a records request to our emails, which they're public records. But some of that information may need to be redacted. And I'm not saying these emails that I had just received was anything that need to be redacted if there was a reply. I'm saying in the future, or what I have sent, I know things I have sent in the past, there's stuff that need to be redacted. And if these emails went to unknown people, because I did not know they're an applying carbon copy, and there's some email trail out there to citizens, that is not good. This also puts false information out to the public before it gets vetted. My officers did not show up and dress blues. We don't have dress blues. That is the uniform they're issued right there. That's it. That's all we got. Matter of fact, he's down to one pair of pants. So you guys just passed this new budget, so now we can order more uniforms. So to claim that I paraded these officers in front of you in their dress blues for some stunt is ridiculous. And the council member that sits there and laughs at me for this is ridiculous. You're responsible. We'll go ahead. I'm not. You're talking. I'm not. Chief, let me just make sure I clarify this real nicely. I was the City Councilwoman who asked you to, because I want to know the new officers. I came on after all the hoop law. And I have not, I've tied me in the mall and you you just have I just haven't met them all. And again I think they needed to know who we are. We've done this in the past at previous council members. I've had new officers come in and introduce they've been introduced to us. So I requested for you to have the officers come in that they could see who we are and we could see who they are and get their names. Not that I remember them, but that's okay. So no, you were not in dress blues. I've been very snazzy if you haven't been. But no, you wereall were not just blues, and it was a stunt on my part. It's simply for the citizens who do watch us on the cameras. Also, they can know who our police officers are as well. So that was my intention. It was the best way for us to do it. Thank you. You're welcome. So I thank you all for coming. So when these emails go out, and I give a reply, or these emails go out, when a unknown citizen reads these emails, they take them as truth. And if somebody is to reply and respond, something else, they're going to think that there's some type of cover-up. So I'm not covering up anymore. I'm not responding to these emails other than right here in public. Oh, yes. There is a citizen complaint apparently about the patrol car being parked on San Jose. If we know who that citizen is, I have a citizen complaint form here. I will hand it to him. They can fill it out and we can do an investigation. That's what needed. They can come up here and get it from me. If there's anybody here. Yep. Just remember when you swear to it, you're open to arrest for lying. The other thing with these emails, depending on what's being sent, we could be in violation of the FBI and the CGS policies. So the FBI and CGS are being notified along with our IT department to go back and look into these emails and who these people are that we're receiving these emails. The Emergency Management Coordinator. the emergency management coordinator. This is a policy that council put in place not I. When you enacted the Proclamation for the local emergency management that put me in charge. I would like to think I did not abuse that power or abuse any decisions. I told you Monday night at that workshop that I had sent EOC some requests for some additional items. One of those items was the message boards. So the week-to-get message boards out, directing traffic. If there was an accident out here, we could route them another way, other detours. We could get information to the people out there. One of the biggest things during these types of situations is information. People just want to know. So if we can get some information posted on a message board and put it out there, that solves a lot of problems. Message boards didn't come in when we originally requested them. They came a little bit later. But they came in. We were able to get them out. I'm not concerned over how long they're going to be out there on the road. If they're out there for an hour, if they're out there for four hours, if they're out there for eight hours, if they're out there for 24 hours. The point is we asked for some equipment. We received it. Let's use it while we have it. To receive phone calls from a council member that is very accusatory of why I am wasting public work's time to do something. Push my buttons. It absolutely did. Push my buttons. But at the end, when I was able to go back and talk to these other department heads, it has become clear to me. The vice mayor in skip is playing department heads against department heads. And again, he sits there and laughs at me. These things that you told me being public works being angry that I am having them deliver a sign, it's not something that the Department of Head for Public Works had, not a problem he had. If he did, we're in the state of emergency and he's got to do something. We're in the state of emergency. We don't have time to clean up Ernie Mills Park for a concert. That is absolutely nothing to do with anything. And to insinuate, there is no storm coming. We've been through this before and nothing's gonna happen. There's no proof and things gonna happen. I will prepare the city every single time the best I can and hope we get nothing. And hope we don't have to go out to a contract for $200 an hour plus disposal. Opening and closing the city. If you guys want to change the charter, you want to change the policies. That's your job. Absolutely go ahead and do that. I'm not here to stop you, harass you, anything. But during that time, okay, the majority main portions of the city limits of Denella were good. There were still a lot of areas without power on Thursday. So to claim all the power came back on Thursday, that is not true. There was no internet service. So if you're expecting your city employees to be in here working, there was no internet. So I don't know what work they were going to get done. But my job is to make sure that our employees are as safe as can be. Right now, your city employees, general city employees are not essential personnel. They do not have to be here during that time. So to try and reach out to them in the middle of the day and go, hey, it's beautiful skies. Come on in. You want to change that policy. You are more and more welcome to change that policy. It is clear to me that at this time, Vice Mayor Inskeep has created a very hostile and bullying type of work time, workspace. I will not tolerate it. I will not allow my officers to have to put up with it. I don't know where to put up with it. I don't know where to go forward with this. I am looking for direction from council and how to handle these matters. But at this point, working with vice mayor Inskeep is a no-go with the way he treats me, and he treats others, and I'm unable to work with Vice-Marin's team at this time. And by the desk, thank you. That is my department head report. If I may comment, here. That is my department head report. Thank you chief. The council appreciates your information about the storm and I as a council member and serving as mayor deeply appreciate the constant communication between the police department, public works, during this entire episode. I am so pleased that I was able to repost the information that you put on the police department website to my friends and family members that are friends on Facebook. And I received several comments about the conciseness of it and the condensing of basically what we're facing here in Dun Allen. It's very seldom that we can get direct information that relates to Dun Allen. We're stuck over here. We don't have a communication system. As a daily newspaper or radio station, it operates totally just within Dunnellin. In fact, our WDLN went off the air due to power failures. And I was able to get some information from John and repost it for him. So our station was down due to the tower being without power on the triangle building. So there were several instances of the community coming together to provide a safe environment for our citizens. And I want to congratulate, as I said, public works. Mandy was in constant contact with me. Michelle, also the chief, his staff, everyone. We all work together to get through this storm, and I was very much impressed by your actions. And I have nothing but admiration for your dedication to the citizens of the staff. Thank you. Chad? That's something I want to respond to Chief Delta for your dedication to the citizens of the staff. Thank you. Chad. That's something I want to respond to Chief belt. On his generator stuff, they didn't work. We contact a trademark today. I talked to Rob Goetak and Saul to us. He will have a Victor Oliver out here and Rob Goetak first with the Solos generator. We'll both be out here, hopefully tomorrow, not the next day, but they said they'll go through the whole generator and prepare what's wrong. They said it was completely unacceptable, and they will figure out what's wrong with that. A talk of Maritime Electric on the electrical part, he was thinking that your new server room, they wired it for your old server room because the new server room wasn't there at the time. I'm not sure if that was who was there. There was nothing in the old server room. Okay, when they set the generator, if they give the wire and somebody had thought they've set it up for the other room, but he said that's easy switch. He can very clean up breakers and he'll be down and have them change down to get that new shooter to run up and run. I have any contact with both of them and hopefully for the next week, them issues that we have will be done. Take care. Awesome. Thank you. Anything else, Chad? No. We will move on now to council comments. We recognize whoever we should speak first. Would you like to speak first, then? Of course. Vice-Marian Keith. What Do you like to speak first, then? Certainly. Vice-marion Keith. What did she fail to mention is, I'm the one that went out there in Hill-Pron at the height of the storm and got that generator going. Okay, so that's kind of why I was like, man, we had a beautiful day. All the power was back on at 10 o'clock on Tuesday. Everybody's on the payroll. Was everybody out in Dunne Ellen stores. Everything is open, run around. Most everything is open. Everybody's run around. So I didn't understand why the city wasn't open up at least by 10 o'clock. As far as the circuit's not working, okay, after that generator was fired up, I don't remember if it was the chief. I spoke to, but I called over there and asked them during the test that everything power up, like it should power up and the answer was yes. Now we do realize that the new server room is not powered up. Spoken chat yesterday or whatever day it was we were out here and it just like Chad said getting hold of the electrician, we'll get that circuit on the emergency generator. And just on the generator thing, when it, with the power up thing, it did power up and all that stuff. And while they were there, I asked them, are you gonna turn the power off to the building to make sure it's doing what it does. And they go, no, we're not doing that. So they never turned the power off to make sure, see what came up, what ran, what didn't run. They never did that. And I'll hear you. The only thing I'm saying is I made a phone call and I asked if you guys, if everything is working and the answer was yes. Okay. You know, but again, learning paintings with a brand new piece of equipment. We can get that taken care of. The, here's what I see. Okay, there was no oversight of the last police department. And what we walked into and what Chris and Ron had to rebuild was ridiculous. And probably one of the most things that bothers me the most, might sound like a tiny item. But if I was an officer, it would be anything but tiny. These people didn't even have operating casers, right, working. And so we have an officer out there. They were still out to use the tasers if they wanted. But we could have an officer out there, okay. And he's used a taser, and that's all they get. And now they're at risk because their taser didn't work. Or the taser could act like a bug zapper, a zaffer whoever they hit. And now the officer's liable because he didn't know the taser could act like a bug zapper and a zap whoever they hit. And now the officer is liable because he didn't know the taser. Well, he or she did not know the taser was out of cow. All the statutory stuff that wasn't going on and wasn't happening, you know, basically my simple mind, we were basically operating illegally. Chief and Ron came in, tremendous job getting all that put away. The rub that the chief and I have is this chief doesn't want to seem to have any oversight. Now, unless we change the charter, okay, and our jobs are not oversight of the police department, I will be asking questions, providing oversight, etc. And my issue with the chief is whenever I ask these questions, it's always from a victim mentality or it's always a defensive type thing and there's no blame to anything. Another thing that bothers me, we've mashed teeth back and forth over providing patrols, business checks, checking our city buildings and all that. Last thing he told me was, I'm not babysitting public works. If they can't lock their gates, that's too bad. And in the future, I'm not looking to do business checks anymore. All right, so once I get enough of those answers, now I thought with the six robberies that happened, all right, I didn't bring it up anymore because we had a conversation and I didn't ask him about it. With the, it's like after the third or fourth robbery, I didn't think I had to say anything more about doing business checks and doing, going up and checking our buildings, not just driving by, but just like you did in the military, and you looked at stuff, okay, is the gate locked. If the gate's not locked, it's not babysitting public works. It's like why isn't the gate locked? Get a hold of chat, okay? Did they forget the lock-to-gate or did something else happen? Either one is a way to work together. I absolutely don't play one department against another. If I get information, I call up, okay? And I call up. I don't do any of this in public. I do it all out of the public eye, all right? When the public witness is not working, all right, I'm going to communicate with the people that pay the bill. $1.4 million for this police department. One third of everybody's budget. They audit and I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying we got some holes here and there. But if I can't get any cooperation working out of the public eye, then I'm going to involve the public. There were no regists, I'm not sure what the terms are. Okay, nothing about BCCs or any of that. Everything's compliant. That's why they have all their super and cryptinated hardware that we have paid for. Shouldn't get through any of that. But there was nothing like that going on. The car park acts like it's a one time thing with the car park back on San Jose. I can produce six pictures, different days of it. And I'm getting, so where I'm at is, if I get enough pictures and I get enough information, all right, and then I make a phone call, I get defense. I don't get an executive mentality, all right, and this is an executive position. We should be working together to solve problems, not get defensive, not take on a victim attitude that's not in executive type mentality. And again, I've worked behind the scenes many over and over and over again, okay, with these things, but it's not working. Our DRAs, okay, the only thing that we ask for is during the summer. Got people sending me pictures of people parked down in our DRAs. Pictures of, they drive right by the, the do not parking grass sign, drive by either side of it, parked in our DRA over here, where we're at. Compact the ground, so now that ground cannot perk like a D.R.A. should. I simply keep sending the pictures and ask why in there's no tickets? Why aren't there tickets? So I get, like I said, all summer long, I'm getting people text to me. I'm coming over here, putting my eyes on it, make sure they're not exaggerating this, that, and the other thing, and I'll send them to the chief. All right. I should not be out here playing police, all right. We want our DRAs protected. I mean, if it, but this is really a good time for that. So here we are in the middle of storm season, and our DRAs been compacted and compacted. But we don't write, we won't write tickets. It's not until somebody like me comes through and says, would you please go take a look at this? And then they go take a look at it. There's one I'm not going to bring it up. Okay. All right. I won't bring it up. It started out with the citizens thrilled with the new police department. The police are out there, they're seeing them everywhere. Then after, I don't remember time frame, six, eight months or whatever, we start here and where's the police at? We don't see him. Is the honeymoon over, et cetera. I've had that conversation with the chief. Next thing I know, I'm getting, like I said, I can produce photos way more than one time of a car out at San Jose, a car out at the cemetery, et cetera, et cetera. I will work with the chief behind the scenes on all this stuff, all right. But I'm not working with somebody that, like the last regime, all right, you're not my oversight, you're not this, you're not that. If that's the case, change the charter, and I will never have a conversation with this chief with any chief ever again. All right, but if I'm responsible for the police department, I'm responsible for everything else, budget, you name it, I'm going to do the job. All right, that's what I told everybody I was coming on here for. I was not coming on so it could be status quo. And everybody just do whatever you want so everybody gets along. You know, so maybe it's not a bad thing that we have this little beef in public. I'm not giving up. If chief wants to give up, give up. But I'm not. If you can't work with me, I won't even say what I want to say. I want to say grow up. But I won't. These, and exactly because these are the conversations we can have. But it's those ones I'm getting tired of is the yelling. All right. We get cursing at each other. Right. Those violent conversations from you that I can't, I won't deal with. Those I won't deal with. Can't be one sided, so. Yeah, well, they start because of a reason. And those I can't deal with. These conversations I can have. These conversations I can work with. But there has to be results, okay? And that's why I went around of including the citizens. There are no results. Since the data goes back, the camera data at public works only goes back to August 8th for gets rewritten. Since August 8th there's not been and we have cameras all over the place now so we can see all around that building. Since August 8th there's not been a patrol car go up there and check the gates, check anything after we we're still doing stuff. And I don't know why this robbed that would be because I've been there multiple times. I've been there in the middle of the night multiple times. So I don't, if those cameras aren't picking me up, I don't know why. I've taken people with me to those gates. So I don't know why. Well, they picked up. I've been on a bicycle riding up to those gates. It picked up every person that went up there and sat on that bench during the music festival So yeah, I don't know I'm there. So and I know my other officers are driving through there I'm not gonna waste any more. I'm done. I'm not gonna waste anybody else's time Valerie if you have a comment? I did have a... I did get a card in my business store, by the way, that y'all checked it just to... We are doing business checks. So I just got one. I've probably gotten to this year. So just FYI, I'm on that. So no. I... We just ordered like a thousand of those cards and I think we're already halfway through them. So just FYI on that. No. We just ordered like a thousand of those cards and I think we're already halfway through. I did not say they were not doing business checks. What I said was I'm sorry. I'm so sorry about what you said. You said it so I was just letting you know I apologize. You're fun. I just, again, I just want we don't all have to like each other. We don't all have to be best buddies. We don't even have to go get a beer afterwards. I would prefer to, though, by the way. Sometimes our voices can't get too loud when we're trying to get something across. And I just would hope that these matters can be taken care of and that we don't have the, our staff is not feeling micromanaged by any single person up here because that is not our job to micromanage y'all our job is to make sure that we're doing the legislation that we're getting our budgets good that y'all are doing what we're asking of you that's legislatively or whatever the word is I should be actually be using a lot of training so but just let our officers know that whoever is going forward and telling our officers that they talk to us every day, that is a bold face, 100%, and I don't use this word lightly, lie, bold face lie. They might be talking to one person or three people, but I can say they're not talking to every person because no one has ever said it to me, nor would I ever agree with it. So I just want everybody to know that is a bold face line and I don't say that word lightly. So I'd like for us to all go forward, Do the best we can, get the generators working, get the keys where they belong, get the electric outlets working, and let's be on a positive note from today. And we've aired our laundry. It's washed. It's dried out. Let's move on. Rex, you have any comment? Go back to our lives. Mayor Henske, did you have any comments? No, I'm good. No, I'm okay. Thank you. The council is responsible to the citizens of the community. The council decides the department heads of the city. The council makes the judgment calls of the actions of the responsible parties in our departments. Whether it be public works, whether it be a man's office, the clerk's office, or the police department. When there are issues involved that are cited by an individual council member, these issues can be exposed but they need to be exposed in the council meetings so that all the council members are aware of the concerns of one of our council members. And this should be an ongoing process so that the council as a whole can be aware of issues and the council can take actions if their issues need to be handled. I personally, from my experience in city government, I do not micromanage. I never have. I have worked with Jen. I have worked with Mandy for many, many years. And I have sat down with him and spent many, many hours in the past. I may not agree with everything and I may go in that door thinking, well maybe there's something else to this, but I want to hear what they have to say. And the vast majority of the time when I sit down with these qualified people in our city government, I have found the answers to my questions. And it was conducted in a civil manner. I didn't have to get mad. I didn't have to argue with anyone. I didn't have to make any accusations in our city government move forward. As a member of this council, I want to see that kind of action take place. I don't want to see adversity. I want to see us work together and constructively handle criticisms and accomplishments. They work hand in hand. And that is my determination as I go into this four-year term to serve this city and conduct the citizens' business in a proper manner. And I expect all of the council members to conduct themselves in the same manner. If they do not, then we're going to have to have action by council. As earlier presented, I presented City Council Code of Condo, and I presented a statement at the opening of the meeting. These comments are in the force, and they will be enforced as long as I'm there. I will insist that this take place. And if the council wants to overrule me or they want to take actions that would disavow what I have stated at the beginning of this meeting, so be it. But I know this city government can operate efficiently without adversity of this nature. And once again, I commend the department heads for their actions during this trying time for our community. And I have nothing but admiration for our police department, our public works department, our city clerk, finance officer, everyone is pitched in. And I've watched them do this before in storms. It's not only the time now or the time we had last week or the one, two, three weeks ago. It's the follow-up that counts. What is our finance officer going to do? How is she going to work with our city clerk our place department our public works to tie together So that we get re re reversal for some of these expenses So we are all tied together to create a process that the citizens can appreciate and that's what I want us to concentrate on Now we can do it This city has done it for 133 years. We can still do it. We can work together. I hope that that's going to be the case. Is anyone else having any other comment? Andrew, you report? I have no report this evening, sir. Okay. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Motion on this. Public comment? Yes. Well, yes. Kathy, would you? We had public comment earlier. Did you want to comment? I would like to. Well, then please come forward. We're not adjourned. There was a motion on the floor. If you withdraw that, let her speak. Is that okay with the council? I would draw. As it's been withdrawn, I'll entertain your comment. Thank you so much for letting me comment. I was deciding not to comment anymore because I feel like the best way to communicate my wishes are to call you personally. And I'm going to continue that and quit publicly commenting because I live here, our staff does not live here and I feel like, except for Michelle, bravely lives here. And I feel like it's my patriotic duty to express what I think is happening in my city and your city. And to communicate with you is my duty as a citizen of America. I am appalled when a department gets up and says he will no longer work with one person up there that was elected by the people. And I'm not saying that I appreciate you serving. But I also think you should stop and wonder why there are no people here and why there are no people that put up to run for office. And I talk, I mean, many groups in town, I communicate with many citizens. And the reason is because they've given up, because they feel like there's no accountability in our government, from the top at DC to the bottom. And we're looking for that, but most people have realized they're beating their heads against wall. I will fill this out because I have seen our police. We have a long history of police ignoring citizen requests. As I stood up here many, many times and asked our former police chief to stop speeders. He gets up here and tells me there are no speeders. He calls channel 20 news and is campaigns for a new police station for months. We sat here for years talking about a new police station that we could not afford and he did not need because it was the old one was not maintained. And I just feel like a staff member of our town should not be able to get up and say that they will not work with an elected representative of the people. That is very serious. And just because I don't like Mandy does not mean that I would say I would not work with her. Because that's not your option. You're a staff member. I will fill this format because I was at all these the other day and I see one of our police officers from Dunnellin parked in the fire lane in her police car going in and shopping And then she gets out and she loads her groceries in I would think the police chief would want enough But I don't want to calling because I don't even have his number But I do have mr. Enskepte's number. I didn't even tell him But when I hear that we're going back to the same thing of calling channel 20 news and patting ourself on the back, to me, you don't need to pat yourself on the back. If you're doing a good job, your work will show. And it becomes nauseating to the public. But we have concerns like these things. I know very well that the police chief was so unresponsive when Chad came to town. We asked that the no parking signs be placed on Walnut Street. Couldn't find the police chief. But now, so don't be surprised if we're not a little watching what's going on. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kathy. Before we adjourn, Mr. Mayor, it's a quick one. Yes. We've got all tangled up in the argument. We got this sheet here. It's the high visibility traffic detail. I think somebody mentioned that there was two sheets. It's the one that shows the high traffic. We didn't get that. That's no one's. Right, right. Because one of my question is, is there a stuff that's not the high visible for? I got it. I didn't get to a sheet. I got it. Okay. But I didn't get this sheet. Okay. Could we get these electronically? I think it's your issue. Okay. But I think it's your issue. Okay. Can we get these electronically? Absolutely. Okay, cool. That's all the whole thing. Thank you. I'm going to entertain a motion to adjourn. Together adjourn. That's both of mine. Oh, motion, yes, goodbye. Motion to adjourn? Yes. Six seconds. Oh, discussion. All those in favor say aye. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Thank you all. Everybody, whatever I say. Oh my god, my heart's asleep. Please. Okay. I'll see you guys next time. Bye. Bye. Bye.