Aloha and good morning everyone. Welcome to the 47th session of the Hawaii County Council. Today is September 24th. We are located here in the Hilo Chambers and connected by video conference to our West Hawaii Chambers as well as our remote sites. At this time I would like to invite Deakin, David Watson to come and give us our invocation, Deakin. So if we can all quiet our minds for just a moment and put ourselves in the presence of God. Heavenly Father, we thank you for all the gifts and blessings that you give us each day. Thank you for your presence and work in our lives. We ask that you bestow your guidance and blessings upon each person here. May we honor one another in keeping an open mind. May we voice our truth and listen with an open heart. May each one of us be able to share his or her contributions and gifts. We ask for your wisdom and grace to use our talents for the betterment of others. Lord, grant good health and safety to our loved ones and bestow peace and good will to all of us with gratitude we offer this prayer in your name. Amen. Thank you so much, Dick, and have a beautiful day. Appreciate it. All right, moving on. The time is now 1101. Call this meeting to order, Mr. Quick Roll call, please. Councilmember Evans. Hi. Councilmember Evans. Aye. Councilmember Galimba. Here. Councilmember Renaba. Aye. Councilmember Caguata. Here. Councilmember Connelly Kleinfelder. Here. Councilmember Kirkowitz. Present. Councilmember Lee Lai. Present. Councilmember Villegas. Aye. Chair Kimmel. Here. I'm sure you have an I'm a resident. Thank you, Mr. Court. Would you please lead us in the pleasure of allegiance? Thank you, Mr. Clerk. With that, I will pass it to Vice Chair Inava for the presentation of a special award perhaps. Yes, we're going to ask we'll go ahead take it away. Thank you. All righty good morning everyone. We have today with us fire chief Kuzul Todd. We're working on getting the honoree down here. It's a surprise. But the September 2024 Haveo Award honoree is not someone who's out on the line for the fire department every day and would like to ask Chief Todd if you'd like to introduce our person who will hopefully be joining us shortly. So it's a little unusual, obviously. I have an employee who's been working for us for over 35 years. He is work under More chiefs than I have obviously and who has got an amazing work at the case here in the evenings. He's here on the weekends and He's also extremely humble and not someone who particularly likes to receive awards. But he is a staple in our administration and has been around as a font of knowledge. He was hired back in 1899, or 1889. 1989. Yeah, that's how long it seems he's been around with us. And he's been a steadfast pillar of our team. So back in the day that, you know, he came on, fire administration was actually over by Central Fire Station and he was there and I have him in the pictures moving our station out when it flooded due to a heavy rain and the whole building had to be demolished. At the time, the department had only 150 employees, and today we have over 500. He helps us rule our time sheets, and he works in our fiscal section and processes over 800 pay periods through his career. And definitely, I'd like to introduce Senior Account Clerk Ray Miyaji. There it is. Come have a seat. So we have an award for you today. I know. I know you don't. So Ray is critical for us. He is our subject matter expert. He's been around long enough that he knows where everything was filed. He understands how it was done back in the day and almost inevitably, anytime there's an issue or something, Ray is consulted. He is a steadfast pillar of the Fire Administration. And one of the reasons I wanted to bring them up today is because he is basically the heart of our administration. He has worked under seven fire chiefs and witnessed the careers of almost everyone I have never known in the fire department from start to finish. So I think right now, Ray takes something like one hour of vacation a year and in the evenings and weekends that I'm working here, it is not unusual for me to be seeing Ray and having conversations with him. I wanted to recognize him for just being an amazing person and definitely one of the best employees I have ever had the pleasure of working with. So, Ray. Appreciate it. Thank you, Chief. Sorry for having a spot, but you know. All the photos were job. Yeah, but Ray, if you'd like to say spot, but you know, all part of the job. Yeah, but Ray, if you'd like to say a few words, Chief, could you put a mic close for him please so he could share a few words if he has any? I don't really deserve this. I think that's all part of the job. I appreciate it. With that chair if you'd like to open it up to the body. Thank you Vice Chair. Council Member Kirkwood. Thank you. Ray I remember meeting you when I interned for DEM and the County offices were shared. I think it's a rightly now in the point of co-a, but you are always someone that was a very humble individual and you really do set the standard of excellence for public servants. So we just want to take a moment to mahalo you. We were all sworn to secrecy about your presentation and award because we wanted to make sure that you were going to show up today. So we don't mean to startle you, but we wanted to surprise you with this recognition. And thank you again for just going above and beyond to serve the Fire Department and the county of Hawaii. We appreciate you. Well, I'm pretty sure you folks work way harder than me. Thank you, Council Member Konele. It's Council Member Konele, Ethan Bother. Thank you, Chair. Ray, you deserve the award period. I mean your butter achieved two tiers up here. 35 years. Surprise to me. I don't think so I deserve it. You absolutely deserve it and I really have to appreciate the statement. That's just part of the job because I tell you I'm looking at somebody young kids coming into the workplace today and they don't think like that. It's not part of the job. They should get paid more blah blah blah blah blah blah but you've shown up for 35 years and you've worked hard and your your responses. It's just part of the job. It's what I got to do. I love that. Thank you. Thank you. I do honored. I love that. Thank you. Thank you. Chair. I do honor to work for this new fight. Thank you, Councilmember. I'll be right over there to you, Councilmember Evans. I'm going to take Councilmember Cuguata and then Councilmember V.A.G.S. So Councilmember Cuguata. Thank you, Chair. You know, thank you, Ray Ray for really sending an example for the rest of us and being so humble and thinking you don't deserve it, but everybody knows you do. And I just want you to look behind you to see how many people showed up here. Take a look behind you to see who showed up here. Yeah. And when we do these awards, we never get this many people showing up from our department. So we know it's special and your tears brought me to tears just because I can see that it's very meaningful to so many people. So thank you for your service and we're so happy to give you this award. Thank you, Councilmember Caguila. Councilmember Viejquez. Aloha, Ray. Wow. Service with humility and recognizing a purpose and embracing that purpose. Something that somebody instilled in me years ago was it's just as powerful to receive as it is to give. And you are providing an opportunity for this department and your community both professionally and personally, to give to you and to mirror for you what you have shared with them. The standard you have set, the legacy that you've created, and the joy and honor that you have exemplified in embracing a job as a lifestyle and an opportunity for service over self. Thank you as my As my colleague Mr. Cunnelly mentioned, unfortunately that's becoming too rare with entitlement sneaking in and what we all think we deserve in our ode, but you are a generosity, kindness, and truly living a loha in your role. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart because not only have you affected all these people and inspired them from your department. But I know that somewhere each and every human life that has been saved or healed or served by the fire department has been touched by your skill set and your incredible pillar of strength and guidance and leadership, true servant leadership. So thank you for being here today enduring how uncomfortable I'm sure this is because this is not the way you walk in the world but thank you for allowing us and your community and your team to give to you the way that you give and share with all of them. Mahalo. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Vegas, going over to Councilmember Evans. Wow, this is so cool to be able to do this. You know, I'm just, you know, I always like to share my personal story. You know, I represent North and South Koala and so I'm usually over in Kona. I don't make it to Hilo that often but I try to get to council meetings in Hilo when they're there. But when I'm there, I like to stay in the office and work late. And one of the things I realize in that dark building where there's nobody there and it kind of feels strange. Feeling that you're all by yourself and maybe you see or hear the janitor. But I can always count on this light shining and you're working late in the evening. And it just struck me that you just do your job and you enjoy it and you stay there until you feel like it's time to leave and you don't clock in, you don't clock out. And I never feel alone when I'm working late because I peek out and I look in your lights on and you're working. It's like, wow. I mean this is this has a lot about how you feel about your job and how you feel about the dedication to the job and if you don't want to accept it for yourself, I think you need to accept it for an example of what a person who loves what they do. They just give it without conditions. And I just think you're so unconditional with this job that you've had. And I think that everybody that surrounds you today gets it. And they really admire that you do it out of love or commitment to your work. And I just, I think it's pretty awesome. And my mother worked as a telephone operator for 38 years for AT&T. And I remember after her 38 years, she always used to say, I retired too early. I should have stayed longer. So I think this is who you are. And it's pretty cool. And I want to thank you. For me personally, thank you for being there at night by myself, but also I want to thank you for just being who you are. So I'm very grateful to who you are. And I want to thank you and want to thank this opportunity to recognize you and the person you are. Thank you. Aloha. Thank you, council member Evans. I've been asked to allow another esteemed guest to make a few comments of congrats Mahalo as well if you know in mind we have Mayor Roth. Alright. How you doing? Good. I feel out of faith. But I got to tell you know you work in a department of heroes. And you're an unsung hero, not only for the department, but for everybody in the county. And I kind of was listening to some of the comments that are being made. And I can't thank you enough, but I'd like to thank you on behalf of everybody in our county that doesn't get to see what you do, but makes such a huge difference. You know, Councilmember Villegas kind of talked about how that touches everybody. The firefighters, they can do their job, but they need the support staff that often doesn't get that praise and that glory. But you really deserve to be recognized and just proud to be able to work with people like you. So on behalf of everybody in the county for wise, thank you, thank you, thank you. I wouldn't be like this if it wasn't for you folks. Thank you. I see all hardy folks work. So we all have to work together. Thanks, Ray. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. And Councilmember Lee Leck, can you bring us home? Yeah, absolutely. Like many of my other colleagues, I'm here too. And the weekend, and I always get to see you. I do want to equip a little bit, 35 years in government is a very long time. We actually have members on the diet that are not of step in and the emotion that filled the room And other members of the public start to tear up. I am reminded of Something Mayor Canoe would always share which is we build on foundations that we did not lay We sit in the shade of trees. We did not plant We drink from the wells that we did not dig. You have laid that foundation. You have planted that tree and you have dug that well. This Havere Award is really about the light that you bring not only to the department but everyone in community. So thank you so much Ray for serving us and making us a great community. Thank you, Chair. Thank you so much, Council Member Lee. I'm really very, really, very proud. So if I can ask everyone to stand, we will present the award and we'll take a short recess to take photos. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Congratulations, if you can come forward to the photos. I this meeting out of recess. Hopefully the positivity of the start of our day will transmit through the rest of the session. Mr. Clerk, do we have any statements from the public to the reminder you have the opportunity to testify now at the beginning of the meeting or in advance of any agenda item? I am planning to take a few items out of order. So Mr. Clerk, anybody wishing to testify at the beginning of the meeting today? Thank you Madam Chair. Just noting that you do not have any testifiers at your remote sites. We do have testifiers via Zoom here in the Heelow Chamber and Kona. So what we'll do is we'll start with our Kona testifier and then we'll transition to Zoom and then to our testifiers here in Heelow. So Scott, if you could start us off, please. Thank you, Relle. Yeah. Thank you, Relle. Yeah, this morning we have Colin Keola Childs to comment on bills 1, 2, 3, and 1, 0, 4. Colin, go ahead and state your name for the record procedure. You'll have three minutes per item. Thank you. A lot of council members. My name is Colin Keola Childs. I would like to testify first on bill 104 draft six following that some comments on bill 123 draft five. And both as to both well as to bill 104 I did not look at the communications with supplemental recommendations by council members. I looked only at the published draft to make my comments. about long-term rental definition, where it says property occupied for 12 consecutive months, and under assigned lease for six months or more, et cetera, is fine. But I'm coming from the standpoint of a landlord of a long-term rental. My current tenant's been in the property for 22 years, for example, that's very unusual. But just for example, I am a genuine long-term landlord, but I have handled rentals in my earlier real estate brokerage and rental management career decades ago. I can have a lease of six months with a tenant or 12 months, and there are occasions where the tenant may need to break the lease for their personal circumstances or they defaulted by payment or behavior and have to be vacated or choose the vacate. My concern here is how this is going to be administered in conjunction with the annual filing requirement of proof. This is implying a tremendous burden and a lot of stress for landlords to have to document in the event of a vacancy of any period of time, okay? One week, one month, two months for replacing a tenant during a 12 month period. How are they going to comply with this literally, and how is a rule going to be written that isn't going to end up being arbitrary and compitious for an employee to have or direct their manager to have to decide, well, in your case, it's okay, or in your case, it's not okay. I see a lot of problems in this kind of a definition. Secondly, in the application form for the long-term rental on section 4L, the annual requirement, as mentioned, is a, with a copy of a signed lease. Please, Senator. Is burdensome. And then lastly, the failure of the property owner to maintain for the reasons I earlier mentioned, how are you going to prove good faith efforts to maintain and how are you going to authorize and approve a good faith effort when a tenant has failed and had to be evicted? May I proceed to the next bill? Yeah, at least proceed. Okay, bill one, two, three, draft five. I have about six points of, I think it's a good bill and it's intent. I'm gonna point out comments as to your kitchen, definition and use, your water system requirements, your including affordable housing occupants from participating in this program. The square footage limitation, as it applies to a farm dwelling, you're off street parking requirements as the technicalities, including the requirement of the code for screening from adjoining residential areas. And what you're going to do about unused still authorized according to county practice old O'Hanah permits. How would they be administered when they finally come in after issuance in 1992 to try to apply it? Are you what section of what chapter are you going to use for that? OK, as to the kitchen, your definition of an ADU is a structure building containing one kitchen. I can guarantee you that people will be trying to get around this by having de facto kitchens, which include a hot plate, microwave, or anything like that, on their lani, and therefore the structure would not contain it. I recommend that you change your language to embrace any use or utilization of more than one kitchen or other words of that effect. Your water system, portable water system, you allow any private water system or rain catchment system. I recommend that you provide some set of reference to standard specifications as to what that would work. Well, unless a building code is going to kick in that says it has to be approved by civil engineer. And so far, I don't think it does. Anyone with any size system of any type of private water or rain catchment should be able to say, well, here's my system. So I, and the zoning code currently for, Ohana's or for AFD is does not provide a, in the code, a specific requirement. And even if it were to, by rule, like 6,000 gallons or 9, 6,000 plus 3,000 for fire safety. That's not adequate. In most cases on this island, and I think everyone knows that. Also, when you allow rain catchment systems on residential, our S single family zone lots, please think more about how you're going to face the problem with not only the space of additional buildings, but the setbacks for these water tanks and how they're going to be regulated. Okay. The square footage size of 1250 square feet? I think you should rethink that for farm families, whether that's reasonable in the case of a farm dwelling application. And why should affordable housing project participants be excluded from this privilege? Just because their housing was approved as affordable housing that makes no sense. Thank you for your testimony. Thank you so much to our testifier and Kona chair at this time we can take our first two testifiers via zoom Chuck Flaredy testifying on bill 123 to be followed by Les Estrella testifying on resolution 595. Chuck, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Mahalo Riley and Mahalo, and Aloha, Madam Chair and members of the County Council. My name is Chuck Flaherty. I'm speaking on behalf of this year, Club Hawaii Island Group. Unfortunately, again, sent like written testimony, I would encourage you to somehow review that before the bill is heard. The points that I want to make is that bill 123 excludes significant restrictive language that's contained within at state act 39. Chair, Madam Chair, you had stated that you're taking a hatchet to the on the dwelling code. Unfortunately, the pieces haven't been really put back together again with reference to the state legislation. So I would encourage all to revisit that. In addition, there was some material misstatements of fact made during the public hearings on bill 123. At 39 specifically states that residentally zone lot means zoning lot in a county zoning district that is principal principally reserve for single family and two family to to touch dwellings. A residentally zone lot does not include a lot in the county zoning district that is intended for rural, low-density residential development and open space. It also states that it shone out applied to any area outside the urban district as established by 205, included that language in the written So, again, in addition, there was a council member kindly, client-feldor had asked about whether or not there are any outstanding land use boundary amendments. There was one for Hocalia development, of 6.769, which I provided that involves over 1,400 acres. The primary thing that I want to point out is that, again, this is not done within the context of the general planned revision. The Hawaii County has a capacity, according to the technical report for the general plan revision, over 200,000 additional dwelling units that are already based upon existing zoning subdivisions and building permits and it also increases the amount of acreage by about 25,000 acres as far as rural. So these are very unknown impacts that this bill is creating and I really think that this all needs to kind of go back to the drawing board to at least who I only believe so. 30 seconds please 30 seconds. Thank you very much. So the bottom line is I would encourage all to the county council that would this council to revisit this send it back and have these issues resolved. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, our next testifier is Leicester Stralla testing on, testifying on resolution 595. Leicester, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Hello, Chair Kimball and members of the council. My name is Leicester Stralla, and I serve as president and CEO of Goi-Homol. I'm here today to strongly support Resolution 59524, requesting continuously relief funds for the Hawaii and its sequential inter-set model or SIM report. Hawaii only faces a significant challenge at the intersection of mental health, the criminal justice system and homelessness. Many of our committee members with mental health needs end up in the justice system, not because they are a threat to society but because we lack appropriate mental health care end up in the justice system, not because they are a threat to society, but because we lack the appropriate mental health care and support systems. The same report is a powerful tool that can change this. It identifies key points where we can intervene, such as during police encounters at the point of detention, or as individuals prepared to re-enter the community after incarceration. By focusing on these critical intercepts, we can create targeted programs that divert individuals away from the criminal justice system. And into the case, they should read, need this means fewer arrests, fewer incrations. And most importantly, more people receive mental health treatment in a community, where they belong. This approach is not just about improvement in mental health care, a community where they belong. This approach is not just about improving mental health care. It's about reducing homelessness. We know that individuals with uncheated mental health conditions are more likely to cycle between the streets, shelters, and jails. This isn't just costly. It's a failure of our community to provide the support they need to stabilize their lives. The same report will guide us in breaking the cycle by addressing the root causes that keep people trapped between homelessness and the justice system. Supporting this report isn't just a moral obligation. It's such strategic investment in the wellbeing of our community. It's about using our resources wisely to create a safer, healthier, and more supportive environment for everyone on Hawaii Island. I wish to give a special mahalo also to councilmember Inaba for introducing this resolution. I respectfully urge you to approve resolution 595 and allocate the funds needed for this critical work. Thank you for your time and your commitment to make Hawaii Island a better place for all its residents, Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony, Chair. This time, we'll transition to our two testifiers here in Hilo and before going out to Pohoa. The first of which is Susan Collins testifying on Bill 144 to be followed by Vanessa Ho. Susan, when you begin, you'll have three minutes. If you could just reintroduce yourself. Good morning. Good morning. Hi, my name is Susan Collins. You've seen me here a few times to testifying and support a Bill 144. And I'm just going to reiterate some of the points, the key points that I feel like are important to passing this important bill. So support for small scale beekeepers, allowing beekeeping on smaller properties supports hobbyist and small scale beekeepers who might need access to more extensive tracks of lands. This inclusivity ensures that beekeeping is not just a privilege for those with extensive properties but is accessible to a broad range of people. So not everyone can afford acres and acres of property to abide by the standards that we have right now or the, the, the, um, sorry, the guidelines. Um, I just lost my notes. Um, sorry. Okay. Um, health and wellness, be keeping allows for the production of local honey which has many health benefits such as helping with allergies, providing a natural sweetener and containing antioxidants. Access to fresh local honey can contribute to the communities while being. The Big Island produces some of the best honey in the world and I believe is one of the best value-outed products that the Big Island even provides. So supporting local beekeepers in that pursuit is very important as well. Community and social benefits, foster a sense of community as neighbors and local groups come together to support and learn from each other, sharing honey and knowledge about beekeeping, strengthen social ties and sense of community together. This bill not only supports beekeepers, but it supports families in general and in the community. So I found it, or it'll be the third year next year that we're having World B Day Hilo. And in that World B Day event, we offer free tastings of honey on free classes on how to use products from the hive in everyday use. So this idea of- 30 seconds please. This idea of self-sustainability goes hand in hand with beekeeping. And if we don't have bees, if we don't have pollinators, we don't have things to eat. Basically, that's what it comes down to. And if we're not supporting our pollinators, then we're not supporting self-sustainability period in Hawaii. So thank you again for being so supportive of the bill thus far and have a great day. Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier is Vanessa Howe, testifying on bill 144 and then we can transition to our testifier in Pohola. Vanessa, when you begin, you'll have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself. Good morning. My name is Vanessa Hool. Thank you chair. Thank you council members for this opportunity to speak up in strong support of Bill 144. I reside in Pune area and I'm also the outreach coordinator and secretary for the Big Island Bekeepers Association. I've been a bekeeper since 2010. We now have around 200 hives with a small business that relies on that honey supply. We've been a part of this process for the last six years with the various stakeholders and as secretary of our organization, I've had to respond to countless emails, calls from confused citizens regarding the rules that had been regarding beekeeping on the big island. So I know that the hard work that went into the bee ordinance offers great clarity guidance in terms of the best management practices of the industry, setbacks from property lines and so forth. As Susan mentioned, it strongly supports the beekeeping industry of all levels, from backyard to commercial to queen breeders, as well as looks out for the health and safety of our citizens. I believe this is a great step in the right direction in terms of the goal of supporting agriculture. As we know, honey bees are vital, vital part of our ecosystem, food supply and local economy. So thank you for the encouraging support thus far and Mahalo. Thank you. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, at this time we'll transition to our testifier and behold before coming back to Zoom. Gloria, if you could. Chair, at this time we'll transition to our testifier and behold before coming back to zoom. Gloria, if you could. Yes, thank you, Rellie. We have John Olsen here. And representing Main Street Behold, commenting in support of two resolutions, first 5, 8, 3-2-4, transitioning on to 5, 8-4-2-4. You're absolutely pleased with stay joining for the lecture. John Olson here, a formally chair of the first community development plan that the county ever did. And we're finally getting to it, and then I'm still alive and breathing. There is an immense amount of work that the county is going to have to do, forthwith, for all of the lots that have been allowed to be subdivided and sold in the Pune District. Now I realize that the electric vehicle one is a new one and as the focus of this one, it simply seems to be in库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库库 the subdivisions in Puna. It's a flood and somebody is going to have to organize that in such a way that we could deal with it because they're coming and you can't stop them they own the land. Thank you. Thank you very testimony that's awful. Thank you so much Gloria. Chair your next testifier is via Zoom Debbie Hect testifying on Bill 104 and then we'll come back to finish our testifiers here in the Heelow Chamber starting with Harry Hope. Debbie if you could unmute your mic you'll have three minutes to provide your testimony on Bill 104 if you could just reintroduce yourself as you begin. Hi, Debbie, it seems like you're muted if you could just unmute before you start. Okay, is that it? Yep, we can hear you now. Oh, good. Thank you. Thanks, Riley. Aloha council members, Mahalo for all you do for our island community. I have managed properties since 1978. That is 46 years. I'm in full support of Bill 104 draft six. If you want to keep small investors running apartments long term on years leases, the best way to help us is to form a new class of property under the tax code laws. This would help owners with reduced property taxes. The next step is to set the tax rate at a residential rate. You are after all, running to residents, right? As a small investor, I am a perfect example of what is happening right now. I have several two bedrooms, two baths. I manage them myself. I try to keep rents below market to help families encourage them to stay long for term. And I only rent on yours leases, no short term rentals. I have had to ask my tenants for the biggest rent increase ever because of the huge increase in insurance costs and property taxes. Just as an example in the last six months all of my condo fees have risen by $250 per month, $250 per month or $3,000 per year because the insurance for the condo association to ensure the entire complex has increased by 300%. I paid $4,324 in property taxes in August of 2023. I paid $5,824 in August of 2024. This is for a 900 square foot unit, two bedroom to bathroom unit. That is an increase in property taxes of $1,500 a year. And the increased homeowners insurance fees added to the increased property taxes means that my expenses have gone up $4,500 per year. That is my profit and it's gone. So how does it make sense to me to keep the things repaired, pay all the bills, do the property management, do the cleaning, do the renting, do all the work with no return on my money. This is how I feed my family. 30 seconds, please. 30 seconds. To put it in a CD. You can significantly increase the ability for mom and pop owners like me who rent long term to stay in business by creating this new class proposed. and thank you to Jen and Michelle Kalimba Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, we will finish our testifiers here at the beginning of the meeting with our last two testifiers here in Healow. Harry home testifying on Bill 144 to be followed by Jackie Proud Testifying on Bill 188. Harry, once you begin, you'll have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself. All right. Thank you. My name is Harry Holm. I'm the President of the Big Island Beekeepers Association. I thank you for this opportunity. Just as a continuation from Vanessa's and Susan's testimony, again, just to reiterate that the importance of these, the impact it has on our state, and also the impact it has on the mainland. Our county produces the most amount of cleans and we actually export about 600,000 cleans to the mainland, which roughly translates into $20 billion worth of agriculture. In Hawaii, it represents about $220 million in agriculture. And most of almost 80% of our produce is because of bees. We're not allowed because it's against a lot of import bees. So it's really crucial for us to maintain our queen breeders and support our beekeepers, whether they're commercial, small business or even hobbyists. So I would ask for your support. And I just wanted to personally thank Ashley Kirkowitz for kind of spearheading this. This is really important. And it also resolves some conflicts in the current laws where it really need to be clarified in this build certainly does that. So, Mahalo. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your last testifier is Jackie Prell testifying on Bill 188. Jackie, when you begin, you'll have three minutes. If you could just reintroduce yourself, you can turn the mic on by hitting that green button at the bottom. Hi, my name is Jackie Prell. I'm here to testify on Bill 188. And I hope I have that right. It's regarding the increase in property taxes on pasture and orchid land, orchid land. It seems as if the county needs to take a pause and if they want to encourage farmers to make improvements on their property, this is going about backwards to raise taxes so considerably on properties that Are being used for farming which I know the county wants to encourage and I'm trying to remember everything the bill said the part about or or Chords being needed to be planted in a row To be maintained isn't necessarily applicable to all parts of the island which are rocky and hilly and interspersed with natural forest rows are not a way to plant necessarily and yeah I just want to oppose those two parts of that bill and hopefully that can be reconsidered. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, that concludes all the testimony you have at the beginning of your meeting. Thank you so much, Mr. Aroselli. With that, I'd like to start with the reports, please, Mr. Clerk. GOAC 149, Communication 974, nomination of Janet Sixth, the Hawaii County Cultural Resources Commission. Chair motion to close file on Communication 947 and confirm the nomination of Janet Sixth to the Cultural Resource Commission. Motion by Council Member Lee Loy, seconded by Council Member Member Caguata to close file in Communication 974 and affirm the nomination of Janet six to the Cultural Resources Commission. Discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine, aye's, the nomination of Janet six to the Cultural Resource Commission is confirmed. Congratulations, Ms. Six. And we appreciate your service to the county. Next item, please. Is there any testimony for a GOAC 1-5-0? Communication 975? Hearing none, GOAC 1-5-0. Communication 975, nomination of Melvin Ventura to the liquor commission. Chair motion to close file on Communication 975 and confirm the nomination of Melvin Ventura to the liquor commission. Motion by council member Lee Lysa, seconded by Vice-Terry Navajo to close file on Communication 975 and confirm the nomination of Melvin Ventura to the Licker Commission any discussion. Vice Chair Inaba. Yes just quickly I wanted to stick for the record that Mr. Ventura was President Heelow Chamberson came we we told him he could go on his way. Thank you. Council member Kerr. Chair Friendly Reminder that I'll be recusing myself from this film. Thank you. Appreciate that. All right. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Kirk, you have eight ayes, Council Member Kirkwoods, excused. It recused the nomination of Melva Ventura to the Laker Commission is confirmed. Next item, please. Sorry, testimony for GEOC151 Communication 976. Hearing none, GEOC151 Communication 976, nomination of Tason Wong Chong to the Game Management Advisory Commission. Chair, motion to close file on Communication 976 and confirm the nomination of Tason Wong Chung to the Game Management Advisory Commission. Motion by Council Member Liloi Seconded by Council Member Kagiwata to close file on Communication 976 and confirm the nomination of Jason Wong Chung to the Game Management Advisory Commission. Any discussion? Councilmember Lee Lohan. Yeah, I just want to thank Tason for stepping up. He actually brought his parents, Lanan Wang Chung, who's my classmate. I have to go warriors. But thank you so much. You know, this is a very unique commission and really appreciate all of the hunting gathering experience that you bring to this commission. I yield. Thank you. May for their discussion. Yes, thank you. You look lovely in your coordinated black and orange maybe a month early, but thank you for being here. We appreciate you and appreciate your service. All those in favor, please stay eye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. The nomination of Tason Wong Chung to the game management advisory committee is affirmed. Thank you very much for being here. Congratulations. Mr. Clerk, I'd like to go to Bill 144 for second and final reading. Draft 2. Is there any additional testimony for Bill 1-4-4-Draft II? Very none. Bill 1-44-Draft II amends Chapter 4 and Chapter 25 of the White County Code in 1983, 2016 edition as amended relating to APRIs and beekeeping. As in amendments existing definitions, the Stapis has generally accepted APRI management practices, and that's APRI's as permitted uses in 17 zoning district classifications, including all residential, agricultural zoning districts, the resort hotel district, all commercial districts, all industrial districts, the open district, and the downtown Kilo commercial district to remote beekeeping introduced by his Kirkowitz, first reading August 21, 2024. Chair motion to a dots bill 144 on second and final reading. Second motion by council member Kirkowitz seconded by vice chair Inamba to adopt bill 144 draft to its second and final reading. Council member Kirkowitz. Thank you chair. We are here, the fam. There have been so many individuals that have been really instrumental to this effort from the community, from the industry, from state and county, but I want to give a special Mojalo to Harry Holm, Vanessa Hool and Iris Carter who is not here, but these three individuals approached me pre-COVID to start taking a look at our county code. And I would be remiss if I also did not extend the Mojalo to Leslie Chow and clerk Hendrix for their impeccable just support in ensuring that this bill really sings and does the beekeeping community justice. So those Mojalo's are with so much Aloha and gratitude. This bill is going to permit and encourage beekeeping across all of our zoning districts to make it a more accessible activity to more of our residents. And it also helps a lot of folks come into compliance. We have folks that are keeping bees and residential neighborhoods and on school properties right now. So this makes sure that they're actually in compliance with the law. I think this legislation is also really wonderful testament to the wonderful collaboration that happens when county and community and even state government get involved to resolve the issues together. And I think it really reflects our county's commitment to ensuring that we have healthy ecosystems, thriving food systems, and we are responsible environmental stewards. And we are recognizing with this legislation the crucial role that bees play in supporting healthy biodiversity pollinating our food crops and ensuring ecological balance. In this bill we also include a set of best management practices which is I think a really valuable resource to new and experienced beekeepers because it you know creates a culture of education and responsible beekeeping that ensures that folks are doing this safely and we are minimizing potential risks as much as possible. Also in this legislation, we've identified the appropriate county and state agencies to consult with and direct complaints to, which provides for a more, I think, responsive and transparent government structure in managing our beekeeping activities. And we all know beekeeping it's good for the planet and our food resilience, but also our economy. Harry touched on this a little bit. Hawaii provides, Hawaii Islands specifically, provides a significant amount of queen bees to the United States and Canada. And because of the glorious weather we have here in the islands specifically provide a significant amount of Queen bees to the United States and Canada. And because of the glorious weather we have here in the islands, we are able to maintain bees year-round, produce honey, things like meat, all these extra value added products. And so with the adoption of this legislation today, we now become, I think, a model for other counties and regions in promoting sustainable beekeeping practices. Once this bill is signed into law by the mayor, we will be working with the Department of Research and Development and community stakeholders to ensure that more of our residents are aware of beekeeping opportunities and their community. Looking for everyone's continued support. Final thing, Chair, that I wanted to just wrap up is at first reading, there was a question about movable frame structures within hives. In consulting, again, with the Department of Health, and I have folks here from the beekeeping community, it's actually, it's illegal requirement in the United States that hives have movable frames, and this is because in the United States that hives have movable frames and this is because in the event of a pest outbreak or diseases you have to be able to remove the frame out of the hive to check it and mitigate those issues. So hoping that folks can support the legislation as written today. Thank you, I yield. Thank you, Council Member Kirkwitz. Going to Council Member Kagiwata. Thank you, Chair. I just want to thank my colleague for the incredible work on this. I know it was a bit of a marathon piece of legislation and we're lucky that we have a marathon runner who was leading the charge here. So thank you very much, Council Member Kirkowitz. I think it's a really important piece of legislation that sets our county up for success. And I see a couple of my neighbors back there too. I didn't even know we're bee enthusiasts. So very happy to support this legislation. Thank you so much. Thank you, Council Member Cuggy. What a, anyone else? Council Member Beats? Yeah, I just want to chime in. Excuse me with my support for this legislation, my passion and appreciation for the bee industry on this island. My stepfather's a long time now retired beekeeper with Kona Queen. So I really appreciate you mentioning the big island being a hub for queen propagation, which keeps the food industry and us as humans and other creatures alive. So thank you for picking this up, carrying it forward, working with Councilmember Kirkowitz to ensure that all the necessary legal documents are in line to protect you from having any hiccups or anyone coming and making any trouble for you and your bees. So just wish you the best always and thank you for continuing to perpetuate this ancient art form that really perpetuates our lives as a human species and the perpetuity of humanity. So thank you. I'll be supporting. Are you? Thank you Councilmember Vegas. All right. Anyone else? Seeing none. All those in favor of adopting Bill 144-Draft 2. Second and final reading please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Bill 144-D two. Second and final meeting, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine, aye. Is Bill 144, draft two is adopted. Congratulations, council member. All right, with that, we are going to go to the top of the agenda. Please resolutions. Is there any testimony for resolution 53-24 draft 2? Very non-resolution 583-24 draft 2 authorizes the Maritant to a multi-year-germal with sustainability partners subsidiary Hawaii Island EV LLC to replace and install additional electric vehicle charging stations Authorize the guaranteed to a 10-year lease or your motor to proximal the cost of $5,717 to replace Inoperable and aging vehicle charging stations and install four additional charging stations at the Westway Civic Center The Alpuni Center and the County Building introduce mr. Connolly Kleinfelder by request Chair motion to adopt resolution 583-24 draft two. Motion by Council Member Connolly. Kleinfelder seconded by Council Member Liloi to adopt resolution 583-24 draft two. Council Member Connolly, Kleinfelder. So we have members from the last meeting here with us today. Thank you for being here. Mr. Noel, good to see you. And then Director Adams online, if there are any questions, I don't have any further questions today. Thank you. Thank you. Any further questions, comments? All right, seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Cook, you have nine ayes, council member. I'm sorry, eight ayes, council member Kirkwoods, excuse. Mr. Moran and Director Adams. Thank you for being available for questions Next item please So any testimony for resolution 584-24 Very non-resolution 524-24 authorizes the marriage into agreement with the Corporation for National Community Service, a loss for a cost to agreement for up to 10 volunteers and service to America members with the county funding to members at a cost of up to $45,764 in additional members supported by AmeriCorps to strengthen and supplement efforts to eliminate poverty-related human, social, and environmental problems, and introduce Mr. Clemphelter by request. Chair and motion to adopt resolution 584-24. Motion by Councilmember County Lee. Client builder seconded by Councilmember Lee Lloyd to adopt resolution 584-24. Councilmember County Lee. Client builder. Thank you. I don't have any comments on this but one is recognized as director being present. Thank you. Thank you. Any further discussions on this matter? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Resolution 584-24 is adopted. I'm going to go to the next item and just to give you a heads-up I plan to jump down to the companion bill just to keep all of this together. Is there any testimony for Resolution 585-24? Hearing none, Resolution 585-24 authorizes the merit into agreement with the Corporation for our National and Community Service. Pursuant to our Advise Statute Section 46.7 for a grant to the White County Department of Research and Development, allows for the receipt of $40,000 of federally derived funds to provide community-based training and regional education from local historians, cultural practitioners, and other sources to AmeriCorps volunteer as a service to America personnel. Introduce Mr. Connelly Kleinfelder by request. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 585-24. Motion by Council Member Connelly. Kleinfelder, seconded by Council member Kennelly. Clientelander, seconded by Council member Lee Loy to adopt resolution 585-24. Council member Kennelly, Clientelander. Oh, one second. No, we had a good discussion on this at the last meeting and again recognizing the director being present for further questions. Thank you, Chair. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye Any opposed Mr. Clerk you have nine eyes resolution 585-24 is adopted if we could do the companion bill 190 please Is there any testimony for bill 190 which is that first reading? That's correct I'm going to go ahead and who has amended operating budget for the county boy for the fiscal year in June 30, 2025, who has been a federal grants volunteer and service to America, support grant account $40,000. And appropriate the same to the volunteer and service to America, support grant account funds, we used to provide committee-based training, regional education for local historians, cultural practitioners, and other sources to AmeriCorps, volunteer and service to America personnel, introduce Mr. Connelly, Klein Kleinfelder by request. Motion to approve bill 190 at first reading. Motion by Council Member Carly Lee. Kleinfelder seconded by Council Member Lilo. To approve bill 190 at first reading, Council Member Carly Lee. Kleinfelder, no comments? Anyone else? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine ayes. Bill 190 is approved at first reading. We'll go back up to resolution 586 and then the companion bill 191, please. So any testimony for resolution 586? Hearing none, resolution 586-24 authorizes the mayor to enter into an agreement with the federal highway administration and state of Hawaii Department of Transportation pursuant to our revised statute section 46.7 for granted the office of management. Last for receipt of $96,000 in federal drive funds which we used to promote alternative transportation options, pedestrian bicycle safety, and introduce the community to the interconnectivity provided through the Trek the Charles Project. Introduce Mr. Kiley Kleinfelder by request. Chair, I'm motion to approve resolution 586-24. Motion by Council Member Kahneli. Kleinfelder, seconded by Council Member Lilo. To approve resolution 586-24, Council Member Kahneli. Kleinfelder. No comment, thank you. Vice Chair Inaba. Thank you, yes. Based on the B-52 for this resolution, it looks like the plan for these funds are to promote and conduct to one-day community events. And I just want to put the request out there for the administration to please let us know as council members when these events will be so that we can get that information out to our constituents and try and increase participation in these events, previous events in corner at least kind of went without notice. So we just let the opportunity to share, Mahalo. Thank you Vice Chair Chair Innova. Director Adams, are you still on there? Hopefully you were able to hear that message. I think yes, we're all interested in promoting attendance at these events. I'll make sure that he heard you. All right, any further discussion on this item? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine ayes, resolution 586-24 is adopted. If we can go to the companion measure for first reading, bill 191. Certainly, testimony for bill 191. Hearing none, bill 191 amends order number 2432 as amended operating budget for the county We're going to be doing this. Okay. We're going to be doing this. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. will safety introduce the community to interconnectivity, provided to the TRECTA TREL's project, and to dismiss her kindly client-fothered by request. Chair, I motion to approve bill 191 at first reading. Second. Motion by Council Member Cunley. The client-fother second did by, I'm not sure who was that Council Member Levy. To approve bill 191 for first reading, Council Member. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Bill 191 is approved at first reading. All right, if we can, we're going to skip the CRFs for now folks. If that's okay with everybody and move to resolution 640-24. 604, my apologies. Is there any testimony for resolution 604-24? Carrying non-resolution 604-24 urges the mayor, prosecuting attorney and executive agencies of the county to observe September 2024 as national preparedness month with a focus on Asian-American Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander communities, introducing his Kimball. Chair, motion to adopt resolution 604-24. Motion by councilmember Lee Lois, seconded by Council Member Glimba to approve Resolution 604-24. This is something that I put forth working with Oscar and so we have members from our Oscar office, the administrator, and one of the staff members if you wouldn't mind coming forward and saying a few words before we adopt. I did advance this forward directly to Council since it has to do with this whole month. So I wanted to get it on the agenda as quickly as possible. Administrator Morrison, floor is yours. Aloha Council, Bethany Morrison, Interim Administrator for Office of Sustainability, Climate Equity, and Resilience. I just want to thank Chair Kimball for bringing this forward. We want to recognize, of course, any time should be prepared this month, but there is a unique opportunity here with Ready.gov, which provides a host of resources and tools for us to be able to get the message out. And so just thinking about this year, they focused the campaign on preparing Asian American Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander communities. And that really is our community here, which is a unique opportunity for us to lean into that and work to tailor some of their resources to really fit the strengths and the needs of our community, which we know already has a great propensity towards resiliency. The other part of their theme of ready.gov is start a conversation. And so this is really important when we think about especially reaching out into communities that don't tend to get the opportunity to participate. How do we start that conversation? Who do we start that conversation with and really focusing on being able to make that accessible to folks. So we are currently partnering with Civil Defense on a national preparedness month's social media campaign. And we hope to get the word out on these important tips that are available at ready.gov. But again, they're really tailored towards the needs of our community. And we just offer for you folks to like and share those to help us get the word out to your communities as well. Thank you. Great, thank you, Administrator. Council Member Leela, you. Oh, a bit a bit. Thanks, thanks, Chair, for advancing this. And Director Marcia, for being here. Love all of it. And what the funding is for. I did wanna acknowledge that within these Asian Pacific native communities there's a lot of kupuna who don't have the availability to technology. And so as you get this message out, I know it's always fun to start a social media campaign, but if we could make sure that we just tease out some dollars, just to really go touch that community, especially our coupons who may not be able to get information in support. Thank you, Chair. Thank you so much. Anyone else comments? All right. Seeing none, I'll just conclude by saying, you know, I really want to thank the Federal Emergency Management Agency for identifying what really is, as you said, administrator, our community, Asian-Americans, Native Hawaiian-specific Islander communities, and highlighting that is this year's focus nationally with respect to the prepared this month. So I think it's really important, obviously, for all of us here to ensure that we have a safe and prepared community. Thank you for being here. All right, with that, all of those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine ayes. Resolution 904-24 is adopted. Next item, please. So any testimony for resolution 6-05-24. Hearing none, resolution 6-05-24 authorizes the mayor to enter an agreement with the State of Hawaii Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism, the City and County Honolulu, the County of Maui, the County of Koi, the county of Kauai, pursuant to our by statute section 46.7, to support the development of Hawaii's creative economy, establishes and defines the roles of each entity to execute a plan on shared marketing efforts, develop a strategic road map, implement plans to support workforce development, align county and state film office integration, and introduce to cost sharing to support the development of Hawaii's creative economy. Introduce Mr. Connelly Kleinfelder by request. Chair, motion to approve resolution 605-24. Motion by Council Member Connelly. Kleinfelder seconded by Vice Chair Inaba to adopt resolution 605-24. Council Member Connelly Kleinfelder. Thank you, Chair. This item was asked to be waived to Council to expedite the process. We do objector items here joining us. Thank you director for being here. Can you provide us a little bit of back on this looks nooks needs sounds interesting looking to get some more information from you. Thank you very much council member and thank the council for your four parents in waving this to council. Part of the reason for that is that this is a document that's signed by the four county mayors along with the along with the director of business economic development and tourism. And so there was some timing issues associated with making sure that we could get this to them. So I really appreciate the council. This is an active, this is an MLA that's associated with our creative industries, our film industry, both in the state and here in Hawaii County. It's associated with the opportunity for diversification and revitalization of our economy. The MOA itself has been in the works for at least a year and a half to two years. Our Corporation Council and the State Attorney General has been have been working on making sure that the phrasing is correct. The real key here, as I believe, is indicated in the notes that you have available to you, is this opportunity for all of the counties and the state creative industries and film office to work together both as a brand and to make sure that we are doing the things that we need to do on a workforce level. That's part of the key elements for us is making sure that we are both educating and training providing those opportunities for the variety of workforce positions that are part of this industry as well as thinking sure that those folks then have an opportunity to have access to those positions when productions are either created here or come here. So the SMAA is a step forward in a major way to make sure that we are all working together and I'm glad to take your questions. Thank you. Thank you very much, Director Chair. You'll... Thank you. Any questions for Director Adams, Councilmember Kuetz? Thank you, Chair. Aloha Director. Great to see you on the big screen here. I was wondering about the timing of a couple of the deliverables including the strategic roadmap. When will that commence? The discussions and when do we expect for there to be a roadmap that this county in conjunction with all the other counties are working in a coordinated way? Thank you for that question. The conversations among the film commissioners and the film office director, as well as the director of the Creative Industries Division have been ongoing. There is not a strategic roadmap yet. I wouldn't be, I'm not able to tell you what the timeline is for completing that, but I can tell you that it has been an effort that we definitely want to complete as soon as possible. One of the things that we have done is move forward with a software update to our film office that will provide information, not to say that it's directly like a LinkedIn, but there are portions of it that provide the same kind of flexibility and capacity so that we have folks that can put their information on as well as productions being able to put information about what they're doing on this website. It also helps with the location work that productions will do both at the state level and in the county level. So we have made some, there's been some effort moving forward that will contribute to the strategic roadmap. As I'm sure you know, this is not just within the state administration or the county administration, the state legislature, as I'm sure the council is very interested in and how this moves forward and anything that we do has to incorporate plans for workforce development. Thank you. I'm really interested in that directory that you're talking about. It reminds me very much of the Kukuru Switch board. I think that was developed amidst the pandemic where folks were able to identify, you know, the skills and things that they bring to the table but also folks could reach out and say, hey, I need this. And so very organically, but online, people were able to foster those collaborations. So very excited that that's happening for this industry. How is this particular effort being reinforced by our county's workforce development board? Because there is funding available to support workforce development in existing emergency, are emerging in new industry. So I'm just wondering about the alignment. So the alignment helps a number is a couple of things. One, the good jobs, the why approach or initiative that is being run by the University of Hawaii system on our island, Hawaii community college. This is one of those sectors creative This is one of those sectors, creative industries, is one of those sectors that they are focused on. And then in our own work, the ETP, the training provider opportunities is something that we are making sure that we are up to date on and also taking a look at whether or not there are opportunities, particularly in conjunction with the community college and some of the courses that they have, see if we can't provide some funding to support students being able to attend some of these courses. Fantastic. Thank you. Just a couple more questions just going through the B52 here. There's a mention of our comprehensive economic development strategy. Saw you at a luncheon with Jackie Hoover last week. And I took another opportunity to review this particular sector within the SEDS. While creative industries as mentioned in the overall summary, it's not identified as a specific priority action in our SEDS. Is there an opportunity to update our SEDS? How do we resolve that issue? So the fact that it's not included as a priority does not mean that it's not a county priority. I would just say that. We recognize, as you know, there are so many things that can get done as a part of developing that document, but it's clearly a priority for us. The other to answer your question specifically, the any amending of the county says will be done, you know, the next time that that runs around so that will be in the 2026 time period. Great I just want to make sure that we are not discounting ourselves from going after any sort of available you know funding from the federal level EDA. Director one final question it talks about county and state film office integration. I'm just curious if you could speak to the status of our county's film office and if we've selected a new commissioner. We have we have a new commissioner that was that started work this last Tuesday, September 3rd. Sherry Nakagawa who has been a part of our department for the last year and a half and an economic development specialist role. So she is now the Hawaii County Film Commissioner. So we have a full time person in that role. Very excited about that. She has had some experience during her time here, assisting the tourism sector as well. And so her background will serve to help us in the film commission role moving forward. Very excited about in particular her connection and her understanding of how counties work. She has both the city and county and fun all Hawaii background and experience. And so making sure that our processes and procedures are done in accordance with the ones that we have here in terms of the interagency, the inter departmental work, and then also understanding how that works at the state level will be very helpful. Director, fantastic. I can't wait to meet Sherry and support her. Fully support this resolution. I love that we are exploring ways to diversify our economy and reflecting on a workforce development report that was issued by vibrant Hawaii creative media was the number one industry. Our youth were interested in pursuing some very excited that we are, you know, in a meaningful and coordinated way trying to find ways to uplift this industry. Thank you. I yield. Thank you council member Kirkwitz. Anyone else on resolution 605? All right seeing none all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Kirk you have nine eyes resolution 605-24 is adopted. Thank you. Moving on to resolutionolution 606, please. So any testimony for Resolution 606-24? Hearing none, Resolution 606-24 creates one new business manager position for the White Police Department established a new position to receive the Department's finance and he made resources sections and introduced Mr. Connelly Kleinfelder by request. Chair, motion to approve Resolution 606-24. Motion by Council Member Connelly. Klein Felder, seconded by Council Member Lila to approve resolution 606-24. Council Member Coneley, Klein Felder. Thank you, Chair. Thank you for being here today. This was way to council as well as requested by Chief Mosquitz and Chief, sorry, assistant chief, deputy chief Mona, correct? Mr. Burian is here today. Thank you. Thank you for being here. I just sent the link over for Chief to join my Zoom. You're here until I see him there. Let's proceed with you giving us some background for the Council on why we're leaving the Council and what the position is. Okay, sounds good. Thank you, assistant chief Andrew Burian. I'm also on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm on a library, I'm a police officer, but I'm also now as the assistant chief, I'm the personnel officer of the Hawaii Police Department. And really, three years ago, about two and a half years ago when I took the position, I really wasn't set up for that and didn't know what to expect. So with this request, let me go back a little bit more as the personnel officer, I really stumbled when I came in. As you folks know, human resources and finance are critical positions within any organization. So what we're proposing, what the chief is proposing, and I actually had supported this from when I first got into the position of Assistant Chief is to create the position of a business manager who would oversee the human resources and finance section and they blend together those two sections. The biggest thing I think this position brings besides knowledge, you know, specific job requirements as far as human resources and finance training is continuity through the years. I'll be retiring at the end of this year. And I really don't want to put into, you know, put another officer in the position where they're really unsure of their duties. And it's a steep learning curve, but what this position would bring is a great deal of continuity throughout the years. As police positions change, as people get promoted, retire, whatever the case is, normally civilian positions are very reliable as far as length of service, training, the specific training that they bring, and the dedication is just amazing. So the chief has seen the need. Some of the duties that I do as a personnel officer would be redistributed to that position. And there are many other things that we foresee that this position would also have their hand in as far as managing not just human resources and finance, but that that extends throughout the entire department things that they're normally involved in. So that is in a nutshell what we're looking at doing. This would not require any additional monies this year. What we're looking at is, you know, we have a fair amount of vacant positions. We would go ahead and use some of that money from the vacant positions toward that. And we would probably toward next fiscal year as far as fully funding this position. Or requesting funding. Thank you very much, Assistant Chief. That was actually a wonderful explanation of why you needed how much funding, which is zero, because you already have the funding. And then a kind of historical too, and the fact that there is no continuity in the position to sworn police officers usually rotate every five years. Correct. Yeah, this position I've been this way three years. And like I said, I'm retiring at the end of the year. So yeah, I'd say about three to five years is normal as far as occupying a position. But the business manager position actually could do well with someone with continuity of service. Definitely. There's a beauty to that. So I really appreciate that training experience. And that continuity is really, really important for the department. Okay. I think you spoke very well for the department. Thank you for being here today. I'll be supporting the resolution and our as medical members to do so. Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you council member. Any further comments? Council member Lee? Yeah. Thank you in support. Thank you, Councilmember. Any further comments? Councilmember Lee? Yeah, thank you. In support. Thank you so much. On the B50 to the background report, you mentioned a couple of duties outside contracts, capital improvement projects and grant management. And I think what you described as far as continuity, I mean, some of these projects just go on for a while and having someone who has the understanding and knowledge of this. I really do support this because I know our central department, our station, is in need of some upgrades as far as elevators and just a sidewalk and entry. So I am in support of that. the Vaders, just the SciWalk and Entry. So I am in support of that. Maybe this business manager can actually help align some of those priorities. So when we start plugging in CIP projects, some of the work that's so desperately needed at our station is fulfilled in online and budget. So in support. Thank you so much. Councilmember Kirkwoods. Thank you chair. Chief Berry, nice to see you. Thank you. What a great spokesperson for the department fully in support of this request here. I would be remiss if I didn't mention that Chief Maskowitz also reached out to take the time to explain the need for this position. I think you articulated it very well. And kudos to you for sort of upskilling and diving into an area that you are not comfortable in, but really learning new skills so that you can continue to do what is expected of you and more for the department. So thank you for your many, many years of service. Thank you. You are counting. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Council Member Cookwoods. Council Member Vegas. Aloha. Thank you for being here. I like to call it the plight of the competent, right? Because you can. Sometimes you end up with things that are outside your purview of expertise. Congratulations on being in the cusp of retirement and for this planning for succession planning. I had a great conversation with the chief about this. It makes total sense. It is actually necessary for the perpetuity of management of personnel. I myself ended up in an HR position with Conan Brewing Company. So I feel you on all that that takes. Yeah. Paperwork is one part of it. But then there's the personalities and the relationships and navigating all the extra needs for men and women that serve in first responder roles and with a lot of the challenges that have come in these past years for our police department and police departments everywhere. Thank you for your leadership and your servant leadership by picking up what needed to be done and also working so closely with the chief to ensure that what you're doing can be picked up and carried forward for the next generations of police men and women who serve our community. So I'm in full support today. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Vegasegas. All right. Anyone else? Seeing all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine aye's resolution 606-24 is adopted. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much. I appreciate all of your support. Thank you. All right. Moving on to resolution 607, please. Any testimony for resolution 607? Hearing none, resolution 607 has to for authorizing acceptance of nations of animal control equipment to the animal control and protection agency. The notion that donations from Barking, Don Kindle, Hawaii, Illinois, and the Human Society, and Hawaii Rainbow Rangers, with an estimated value of $144,000. $5,000 will be used, either in the wide support of the agency's operations, and you dismiss her kindly, client-fothered by request. Chair, motion to approve resolution 607-24. Motion by Council Member Kanili, Kleinfelder seconded by Council Member Lila to adopt resolution 607-24, Council Member Cunley, Kleinfelder. Thank you, Chair. I wave this to the Council to exploit the donation. I think we have Ms. Saku trying to get today from the mayor's office. Thank you for being here. This is actually a pretty tremendous donation. Looking over to the list as well as the monetary value. Yeah, no, thank you for waving this. I think as we were going through our inventory and adding these items, sorry inventory, it really was part of the deal when we bought barking kennels and the owners were kind enough to throw these items in, you know, as part of the deal, but we did forget to acknowledge their donation and follow our proper procedures. So we wanted to make sure we got all caught up with that and let everybody know that we're very grateful for their donation and you know, we wouldn't have been able to get started with the Animal Control Center as quickly as we did if it hadn't been for their donation. So we really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thank you, Medi-Jing Director Salko for being here. Appreciate it. You'll turn. Thank you, Health Member. Any further comment? Yes, Vice-Terry Napa. Thank you. Can you just remind me we do that one resolution each year for the acceptance of all donations. This one is different than that. Sorry. It is for things that were not capitalizing. I believe that other that resolution. And I believe all of these items were capitalizing and putting inventory inventory. Okay. Thank you very much. Terriol. Thank you. Thank you for coming down managing director and yes absolutely we appreciate the barking dog kennel Hawaii Island who made society and Hawaii rainbow rangers for these significant donations to our growing and emerging animal control program so on behalf of the council mahalo all right all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine-eyes, Resolution 607. No, I'm sorry, Council Member, oh, she is there. She's standing up, but you stood up, Cindy, I couldn't see you. You were blending in. All right, so we have nine-eyes, excuse me, Resolution 607-24 is adopted. We're going to bump down now to bill 104 draft 6. Please. Before you read that, I'm going to pass it to you quickly. Vice chair, so I can take a quick break. Sure. 12.35pm assume the chair. Mr. Clark bill 104. Is there any testimony for bill 104 draft six, which is that first reading? Yes, we have Kyra Bronson in support of Bill 104. Kyra, go ahead and state your name for the record and proceed, you'll have three minutes. Good morning, council members. My name is Kyra Bronson. I live in district seven and I only long-term rental condo in District 7. I understand that some of you think this tax class isn't important because landlords are greedy and they make too much money already or because we already have the affordable tax class. Maybe it used to be that landlords could make decent money on rentals, but I assure you that those days are gone. After paying high mortgage rates, drastically increased maintenance fees due to the nationwide insurance fiasco and high county property taxes, there is zero benefit to being a landlord anymore. We need more long-term housing. When a landlord ciphers the difference between long-term and short-term renting, there is no difference in the property tax burden, so the numbers for short-term renting usually win. Creating a long-term rental tax class that can keep taxes at a moderate level will allow more landlords to make the choice for long-term instead of short-term. We need more long-term housing. When a landlord looks at savings accounts giving a 5.3% interest rate and compares that to the minimal or non-existent cash flow on their rental property, it makes more sense to sell that unit and put the money in the bank. Creating a long-term rental tax class will allow landlords to continue renting rather than giving their tenants notice and selling. We need more long-term housing. With long-term rentals stuck in the same property tax category as short-term rentals and second homes, the county has to consider the impact to long-term rentals when deciding on property tax rates each year. Creating a long-term rental tax class will allow the county to raise property taxes on short terminals and second homes without affecting our local tenants. We need a long-term mental tax class. I appreciate Council Member Caguata and Council Member Gellimba for putting this bill forward. And I encourage you to approve this bill. Thank you. Thank you, Kyra, for your testimony. Thank you, Mr. Ritty. Is there any additional testimony for bill 104 draft 6 amends Chapter 19 Article 1, Section 19-2, Chapter 19-7, Section 19-S-53, and Chapter 19-Article 11, Section 19-90 of the Hawaii County Code, 19-83, 2016, edition, as amended relating to the creation of a long-term rental class for real property taxes. Staffers of the long-term rental tax assignment, classification for properties that are occupied and released for at least 12 consecutive months and are assigned these for six consecutive months or more to the same tenant Introduce Miss Kaguata and Miss Glimba. Those are supposed ponjuli 10 and July 24, 2024 This emotional for Miss Kaguata second Miss Kaguata limit to pass bill 104 draft six on first reading and communication 649 from customer Jen Kaguata dated August 22, 2024. Transmitting for Pozo Memus Bill 104, draft six. Chair, motion to move Bill 104 to final reading with a favor or any? There's already a motion. Sorry, I'm so sorry. I'll remember Kaguata. So, sorry. Okay. Thank you all for continuing the journey on this discussion with us. I just want to say a couple things just to recap. I think a couple of our testifiers did a good job, but I want to recap that this has become an extremely simple bill in that what it does is offer a separate tax class for long-term rentals. That is just because we are hope we do not believe that long-term rentals should be taxed at the same rate as vacation rentals, second homes, short-term vacation rentals, and time shares. And if you agree, then we're hoping that you will support this legislation. I do have an amendment today, but I want to see if my colleague wants to say anything first. Council Member Kaguya Glimbo. Thank you. Just briefly. Yes, I believe Council Member Lee Law put it really well that we have a junk drawer in the residential class and this is just the first step in trying to separate out some of the properties in that junk drawer so that we can support long-term rental properties. And Councilmember Caguata will, there's some amendments that we have that are going to address some of the comments that we had last time and so I will turn it over to councilmember caguata. Councilmember caguata. Thank you chair. Motion to amend number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I have a number of questions. I do not know that the first testifier, Colin, Keola, child was going to say what he said, but I want to say that one of the things that we're doing with this amendment is addressing exactly what he mentioned, which is striking the 12 consecutive months from the bill and just really staying in line with the signed least for six consecutive months, which is how the State Department of Taxation defines long-term rentals and aligns with our real property tax folks. And I believe Administrator Mura is over there in Kona if we want to ask her about that one. The other parts of this amendment really were just related to things that were said here and we were trying to be very clear. There was a request to add a Clause that said except for the owner's principal residents when talking about the eligibility so that people weren't confused about that So we put that in as a clarification We were able to strike K3 from the bill because that was taking care of when we passed bill 174 so that simplifies things as well. We can take out that piece talking about rentals on owner's principal residence. Now we're only talking about rentals that are not on the owner's principal residence with this bill And then I just wanted to highlight number 4B, the real property with agricultural use pursuant to sections, we've added two sections and that's really just to update the community food sustainability use assessment and the short term dedication that we've already passed, so we needed to include those in there to update and be in line with our code. So those are kind of the pieces for this amendment. I hope it's going to further simplify and clarify, and it's not really hoping to do too much in the way of changes. I'll leave it at that for now. I'd love to hear from our colleagues unless my collaborator would like to say something first. All right. Any discussion on the amendments? 6.0.49. nine. There being none all those in favor of amending bill one zero four draft six with the contents of communication six zero zero point four nine please say aye. Any opposed motion carries nine eyes back to the main motion. Council member Kagiwata. Yeah sure sure. Once again, just looking to see if anybody has comments, concerns, input on this at this time. If not, I'll just wrap up. Oh, somebody that's? Councilmember Kaniyally Ekline-Felder. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Councilmembers Kagiwanya and councilmembers, give them for bringing this forward. I think this actually is and has grown to be a very nice class you've created that does actually start to reinforce long-term housing in our county. Appreciate the work. Thank you. Any other discussion councilmember V. Agus? Sure. Just really quickly I want to Thank you. Any other discussion? Councilmember Villegas. Sure. Just really quickly, I want to do that sentiment. You guys have worked hard. Here we are at draft six. And so I just want to recognize and extend my deep respect and gratitude for the diligence and tenacity and determination. It's taken to get us to this point. And I like what you said about the junk drawer of the residential class. So thank you for taking this on and carrying it through. And I'll be supporting this today. All right, Councilmember Kau you out on the wrap us up. Sorry, I can't. Council member Kirkwood, so that's okay. Thank you. Did you say that administrator Miara was in Kona? Yes, she is. Yes, she is. Hi, Lisa. Yes, here. Lisa's there as well. We're very lucky today because we also have Deputy Administrator, Keta Joe. Ladies, thank you so much for the continued work and iteration of this bill. I think we're getting there and I appreciate you continuously listening to the community and refining this legislation. Lisa, Kate, I want to hone in on when this ordinance takes effect January 1, 2026. And so if we're advancing legislation today, it's going to be adopted. It's 2024. Talk to me a little bit about the implementation plan, because we haven't yet set rates. So I just wanna think through how we're implementing this, how people will take advantage of it and ensure that it's worth their while and it pencils out for them to move into this class. Thank you, that's a good question. Lisa Mirra, a real property tax administrator and Kate Jo is here as well as the assistant administrator. I believe two hearings ago, probably at committee, there was a timeline that we had provided and the draft six has it so that your tax rate won't be lower than the affordable rental, but it doesn't show what the max would be. And so I believe for the first year it is going to be a little bit of a soft approach into it because people will want to know if they're in the Ag Tax class, if it's going to be worth it for them to apply, because next to the Affordable Rental and the Home Owner Tax class, the next jump is the Agricultural Tax class. So if it was, they knew it was somewhere in between, it would be worth it. But if they don't know what that ceiling is, it might be hard. Because this program doesn't start till January 1, 2026, when county council sets the tax rates, they're not gonna know what that tax rate is during that application period in 2025. Because administrator, we can't set the rates fiscal year 2526, right? We would have to set the rates fiscal year 2627. Correct. So the tax benefit, although the assessment period is January 1, 2026, the benefit doesn't start till the tax period, which is July 1, 26 till June 30, 2027, which provides county council up until June 20 of 2026 to set the tax rate. How the bills are always done or the programs is you have until December 31st, 2025 to apply. So I think this is a soft opening. I would imagine people are going to apply for it in hopes that county council would look at that in setting the tax rate. Great. So they're applying without us formally setting the rates yet. Correct. Okay. A little bit wonky. But I see what you're trying to do here. There's clearly a need. We've had a number of folks in the community come forward and say they need some kind of relief. And administrator, your office is good with all of the amendments that the council just adopted this morning. Yes, we did want to clarify one thing. If it's possible now that it's been approved, that what we are seeing and understanding is the intent of council as we proceed with the rules if this passes. If that's okay. I will leave that for the maker. I'm out of I'm done with my questioning. Thank you so much for your presence and that additional clarity. I yield. All right, answer. Thank you, Council Member Kirkwood. So I'm going to pass the chair back to Council Chair Kim Blatt this time. Thank you. Nice chair. Yes, Council Member Kirk, you want to go ahead, Mr. Oh, yeah. So yes, that's that's correct. That was the intention is that you could work give you time to work on your rules and that way it would also clarify things even further for the public around this and so we wanted them and make sure that there was ample time for that and that you got that public input as well. Thank you, Council Member Kauweta. I'm going to pass it here to Vice-Chairi Nava. Thank you. I continue to not be able to support this bill. I think, let me say for the record as well, I think it's really become improved in its framework, just as a matter of policy though I don't think we should be creating new classes. I think currently the council has struggled in trying to really understand and wrap our heads around real property tax. The levers we pull each budget process on how we can reduce expense, how we can best meet the needs of our communities. Right now now administrator, you're a for affordable rental program. What percent of the AMI are we currently restricting folks to renting out? The way the code currently reads it's 75% of the payment standards set by HUD, which housing reports to us. Okay. So I think for us, we are trying to encourage folks to rent long term. I don't think any of us disagree on that. I think rather than creating a new class, however, we can definitely look at code to see how perhaps we can increase the AMI cap for our affordable rental class. If we're able to do that, say bring it up to 100% or 120% of the AMI, not only are we getting people to rent long term, which is a requirement of the affordable rental class, we're also guaranteeing that our local community are going to be renting out affordable rates because this bill, as it's currently presented, does not guarantee any type of affordability. So folks, we continue to rent at market rate and get some sort of tax benefit, which is, as of this point, unknown, because we won't be setting the tax rates until after the program goes into effect. I hope to have the Council really consider, reconsider your position on this bill. As we know, there are already a lot of programs, there are already a lot of classes, and to add yet another class and another annual program that the real property tax division needs to come and deal with more applications, I think does not serve the public or the department and the justice at that. So I cannot support this and would I will be introducing legislation around and perhaps we can have further discussion on increasing the affordability rate of our affordable rental class. But I strongly urge this council not to pass this bill. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Vice Chair Inava. Vice Council Member Biggest. Yeah, real quickly. Thank you, Council Member Inava. I take your words of heating, these decisions to heart. I just had a question for Lisa. Hi. Now I know that it is kind of a directive for you guys in your incredible work that you do enduring the decisions we make. But looking for an honest answer from you because I have felt as was stated by Council Member Inaba that we have, we've really messed with the tax codes and rates and classes quite a bit in the last year, two years, more than I think we had in my whole prior terms. And so I want to be sensitive to that also because I get a number of emails and communications from constituents who find themselves all of a sudden confused, concerned, not knowing where they fit in, what they need to claim and they feel vulnerable and things feel volatile for them at that point. So I wondered also from your standpoint about the wisdom while it sounds great through the story and this legislation, if so much about what we do with policy also has to do with timing and if it provides more stability for our council or I'm sorry for our county and for you guys and for our community when it comes to their understanding of what's expected of them. So I would love to hear your honest insights and any, yeah, perceptions you would be willing to share with me and us today. Real property tax administrator Lisa Miro. So I would say if this bill was effective January 1, 2025, there's we would be very concerned because we are in the midst of the changes due to the agricultural program. And to a degree, we still will be next year because the appraisal staff will be busy checking all of those ag applications. When it comes to this program, I believe the compromise was made to push it to a future year to give us more time to make sure we can do the roles and get our application together rather than rush into it for this upcoming period. When it comes to how this is gonna affect county with housing, I mean, I think that's a good question for the housing office, because I'm not a housing specialist. I did not attend the recent IAAO conference, but I know Keta Joe did attend, which was just last week, and long-term rental housing is a huge discussion that is talked about up there in relevance to short-term rentals and the vacant housing that a lot of different counties around the country are trying to address. So I like to see if he has additional thoughts to it. Normally our stance is, you know, we do what county council approves and has a stew. Yes, there are some things we don't love or enjoy. I agree our word needs to get out better to the public. There is a lot of confusion, not just around the agriculture, but around all of our programs, especially in respect to the short-term rental activity when there's a homeowner in the property, and there's confusion there on what they can and cannot do because part of the code deals with another department and it differs from ours. So I don't think we're gonna fix everything, but I'd like to get Kate us take on it. We've had appeal hearings the last two days, and so we haven't been able to really talk about what came out of I double-AO other than to know this was a big topic. Kate, Joe, assistant administrator for the real property tax division. So it's a big issue for a lot of municipalities as it is for us. And different taxing authorities are tackling it somewhat similarly and coalescing around you'll see on a walk who there's legislation on an empty home's tax, which requires self certification of a long term rental. You have co-white I believe with a long term rental program where applications are received on an annual basis and vetted on an annual basis. You also have discussion on short-term vacation rentals, which Hawaii appears to be on the forefront as far as managing that through tax policy. And it's really about putting the different types of properties into different buckets so that the Policy Makers Council can pull the levers that feels necessary to encourage long-term rentals or discourage other behaviors through taxation. The other item is, again, long-term rentals, housing is an issue across the board and so it's about incentivizing and providing tax benefits through property tax to encourage long-term rentals. In some municipalities, the long-term rentals and homeowner's tax class are one and the same. So there's no differentiation. If you're renting to a home, it's not your primary residence. You're going to be taxed just the same as as if it was a home because it provides a long-term housing option for somebody, it's somebody's home. And it's not a short-term vacation rental. So those are the main themes that we see nationally with regard to long-term rental policy, short-term rental policy, empty home stacks, all kind of within that same bucket in terms of housing. So it's clear as mud. And there's some municipalities out there doing it all different ways. There's no set standard or proven methodology at this point that we could look to for guidance. Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah, I mean, this several different ways to tackle the issue. Okay, still leaves me a little bit stuck then. I do appreciate then that this wouldn't start until 2026, but I, not my forte or my main area of expertise. So yeah, I'll just kind of sit with this. But thank you for your answers, your honesty, and I definitely look to both of you as subject matter experts, as well as appreciate your flexibility and your graciousness to endure the things that are placed on you by the decisions we make here. And thank you for also sharing your honest and humble advice. And you're allowed to say say white flag capacity reached. So appreciate you, I yield. Sure. Did you have your speech? Okay. Council Member Cahneley, Klein Felder, then Council Member Leighley. Thank you. It's a real property division. I mean, just did a mystery. Nobba's comments. He's very thoughtful about his approach. Well, with that said, are affordable rental class that exists now? especially if their homes were built in the 1930s and 40s that they are permitted. And so that's definitely been a problem for some of our older plantation areas where there's older homes. Is that really the driving difference between a portal rental class and this new proposed long-term rental class and this new proposed long term rental class? No, the big difference is that the affordable rental has a cap on how much they can charge monthly. That's tied to what HUD provides to housing and what housing turns around and provides to us. Okay. Okay. Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Tell us a member of the law. Thanks. Thanks, Keta. I also attended that IWO conference. And as Keta mentioned, there's different ways to incentivize housing and definitely real property taxes of one of those lovers. I continue to be supportive of this bill because the approach that Mr. Inaba talked about, I started to tackle when I first came. And these HUD guidelines and standards are county-specific, but my challenge continues to be the rents on the west side is higher than the east side. And so that ability to, and I absolutely agree, he nailed it on the head. We need to bump that up from 75 up to 120% of AMI. The data that they're using through HUD standards is skewed because of the rents. And the rents are skewed because of housing availability. And housing availability is the critical nut to crack. So unless we're creating more housing stock, these data sets will continue to be slanted, which is why I can support this bill. To the point that Lisa mentioned about, it's a soft half a step because we're not in 2025. We're going to go to 2026, which I still think leaves the door open for Mr. Inaba to work on that legislation and come up with perhaps a new incentive or a new pathway for long-term housing at a sensible rate. Because like one of our testifiers said, I don't think insurance is going to make it any better any time soon, no matter what lever we pull, whether it's in the real property tax category or it's at the new HUD rates at 120 or maybe 140% AMI. And so I find myself with a timeline on the work that I can do here. And so for me, I can support this and leave it up to future councils to begin to set sunset other things, move in other things. But for right now, getting long-term rentals out of the residential category. And I know there's other work that's going on. Is a nice place to land until other future work can come along. That's where I stand and I look forward to supporting this. I yield. Thank you Council Member Lee Light. Anyone else? Council Member Camila, your. Anyone else? Council Member Cunley-Clynthelder? Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate what Mr. Inalva is saying based on what I'm hearing from the department and what Council Member Lee-Law has said and about the date specifically and allowing time, which is always very important for the time to be allotted for the department, for the public to understand. I think part of this is in Pune, we have a tremendous, I would say island-wide, but I remember I could focus on Pune, we have a tremendous amount of homes that may or may not be permitted. Those are rentals. The ability for someone to use those as a long-term rental and to come underneath this class, if I'm understanding everyone correctly, opens up a huge amount of housing, maybe more than we know, but also decreases the cost of renting and the property taxes will decrease potentially for renters. And that to me is big because the property taxes are now are just crazy. Everybody knows that it's our assessment and it's based on the value and the way we do our system here in the county so I like this bill for what it's offering in that sense to the folks who need the housing. I'll be supporting the bill as I have in the past. And I do see both sides, but I think this is important to offer. I did at one point say maybe this should fall under an existing category. Maybe that's still an option. I mean, it's not off the table, but I like where this is going. I'll be supporting. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Gellolanba. Thank you. Yeah, I think it's, this is just one little piece of trying to address this situation that we're in of not having enough long-term rental housing. And there's all the other pieces, including the short-term rental bills. And honestly, I think we didn't have to have this class before a short-term vacation rental. So this is very late. And it's going to be later because we are just going to be a soft opening. I know one of the things that comes to remember Kagiwata. At the beginning, she really wanted this to come in sooner because we are in a crisis, but we also understand the realities of having to put in a new program. So we've been trying to thread the needle and listen to everyone. And it's not going to save the world, but it could make a little, make a little dent in hopefully in allowing for more long-term rentals when you go on to Zillow. Hopefully we'll maybe see a few more because right now there really aren't a lot, especially on the cone of side. So I hope that my fellow council members can support this effort to get long-term rentals out for people in a way that really is sort of allows for as many people people as many property owners as possible to really think about doing long-term rentals. Thanks. Thank you, Council Member Kaguata. Let's wrap this up. Yeah. Yeah, it's very simple. And we've simplified this bill. Basically, if you think that housing for our residents should be taxed at a different rate than housing for our visitor accommodations and for investors who park their money here, then that's what we're doing here. We're allowing that break. And so if you think that those things should continue to be taxed at the same rate, then we should say no to this bill. But if we think that housing for our residents should be taxed at different rates than for visitor accommodations and parking your money here as an investor, then I think we should, I'm looking forward to your support for this bill. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Kaguata. I think with that, I just wanted to make a couple of quick points. I also had the opportunity to go to the tax assessor's association. Yeah, this is cool nerds over there. Let me say. But anyway, no, it was fascinating and as Councilmember Villama said, you know, I actually do think we can save the world through good property tax policy. No, I mean, seriously, it is one of the biggest levers that we have and I will reiterate what what administrator, deputy administrator Joe said, which is interestingly enough when we went to the presentation on real property taxes with respect to short-term vacation rentals. It was Hawaii that was brought forward as the example. And yes, we are on the leading edge of this. A couple of points that I'll make. We have almost 50% of our housing inventory owned by offsite owners. And if we want to incentivize housing for local residents, we do have to pull that class out of the same class that contains the time shares, the short-term vacation rentals, and the vacant properties. Those are all in the same category right now. I'd like the change with this bill from actually suggesting a rate versus just let's just pull it out because then we can start to get the number. Like the biggest thing that I had concerned with the previous iterations is like we have no idea how many this is. And it could be if we made a change to the rate, it could have been a huge sock to our budget. Doing it this way, just pulling it out, creating that class, I think is gonna be really helpful in terms of making the decision about what that rent should be, or that rate should be. We can bring down the long term rentals for local residents and then constantly bump up that rate for transient accommodation rentals, time shares and all of that, which we would be hesitant to do right now because that would hurt long term rentals, right? Because they're all in the same class. So, I understand the concern that there is the potential that if we create this long-term class, people in the affordable class might bump up there. Let me say that we have a very small number and maybe General Council member Kaguya, I can say, I will say the hundreds even that we have in the affordable. It's a manini number where we have tens of thousands in the residential class. Okay. What this tells me is that the affordable rate is not being used effectively as an incentive to get people to provide affordable housing. And this, the report from 2018, I think it was, about the housing and the housing needs really strongly indicated and maybe we can have administrator couldn't speak to this next time. Most of the housing that's going to be in the affordable housing class is going to come through subsidized units and through and not necessarily through the tax benefits. Okay so when we look at the different types of inventory, we need this middle market inventory That's for going to be provided by the private sector because we have so much of the very low income affordable being private being provided by the public sector and not needing that tax break, right? So applaud you for the work on this. I think it is absolutely important that we pull this out so that we can make some of these other decisions later on. And I am glad to support this piece of legislation. With that, I will ask Mr. Clerk for a roll call vote, please. On the motion to pass, Bill 104, Draccess, as amended on first reading, Council Member Evans. Aye. Council Member Galim Evans. Aye. Councilmember Galimba. Aye. Councilmember Chair Kamal. Aye. Madam Chair of eight votes in favor of Mr. Commission carries Bill 104 draft six as a minute passes first reading. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Chair. Yes, Councilmember. I just wondering if you're having any issues hearing me because I did ask to be acknowledged and I was not. Oh, my my apologies. Good discussion. We had really good discussion that I would like to be recognized. Thank you. Yes, sorry. I'm good. I have good discussion. We had really good discussion that I would like to be recognized. Thank you. Yes, sorry. I did not. I did not hear it. It has to be recognized over there. It will be more attentive. Next time. We will move on now to Bill 123. Go ahead and you can read that in Mr. Clerk and then we're gonna do a little musical chairs here, literally. Is there any additional testimony if we bill 123, draft five? Hearing none, bill 123, draft five, amendments, chapter 19, article one. Here's me. Council, we do have a testifier here I'm going to go ahead and I do I start. Yes. Okay. My name is Jason Masters. First I'd like to say that I think that Bill 104. That you just mentioned is a step in the right direction. Towards working towards affordable housing objectives county wide. Regarding Bill 123, I am opposed at this time. First simply due to what I believe is a lack of notice, particularly during this election season. I wasn't made aware of this bill until Friday. And only yesterday with people at the county office was I directed to the website website which allowed me the opportunity to peruse the proposed bill in its entirety. So on the website it says that these bills are intended to preserve the character of our residential and agricultural areas while reducing speculative investment in properties within these markets and actually believe that the effect of these bills will be just the opposite. of what they're hoping to accomplish. But the big thing which I'll get to in more depth later is that the lack of an opportunity for the action committees. So I'm the chairperson for the co-community development plan action committee. So I think the lack of an opportunity for the action committees to both be directly made aware of and have an opportunity for the action committees to both be directly made aware of and have an opportunity to discuss this at all of our action committees prior to the council coming to a decision on this. I know that we have had an email with all of the action committee chairpersons and this is a sentiment. I don't want to speak on their behalf, but it seems to be a shared sentiment that none of us have had an opportunity or have been made aware of this bill whatsoever. I think some of the unknown adverse effects of this bill will be traffic and circulation in general, but I think more importantly, that it would have the effect of turning much of the island and to essentially multifamily housing, which I don't think is something that, certainly not in rural code, that we would be, be an embrace of, so I'm aware that, that would be an embrace of. So I'm aware that if I'm not mistaken, the number of additional dwellings has been reduced from three to two. But this would still essentially triple the potential population without accounting for general infrastructure. I know it mentioned some offsite parking requirements. It says that it must meet general sewage requirements, but that's a significant issue in co-oops. We're still awaiting resolution. Water supply, energy. There isn't a minimum lot size. And the parking section itself. it just refers to the code. So I think this will create a bit of confusion for the planning department and how to apply this standard. I do see a 15 foot setback between buildings on the same site, which seems pretty minimal. And then it has to simply meet the required setbacks of whatever applicable district. So, regardless of currently, as you probably aware, we're going through county general plan amendment. So I'm curious as to why this is being proposed as a separate item while we're going through the general plan amendment and why it's been so in my opinion poorly advertised when it has much more drastic immediate impacts. So yesterday where I guess I'm looking at it right now so even today. So you're three minutes has expired. Oh, I didn't even know my 30 seconds was coming up. Thank you very much for your testimony. Mr. Clerk, do we have any more testimony today? Not that I'm aware of, but I will put the call out. Any additional testifiers for Bill 125 draft three. Excuse me, 123 draft five. Hearing none, Bill 123 draft five amends chapter 19 article one and article 13, chapter 23 article nine and chapter 25 article one, article two, article five and article six, the White County Code, 1983, 2016 edition as amended relating to Ohanah Dwelling Units. Removes each inches of the term Ohanah Dwelling from the County Code and insert the term accessory dwelling unit and as provisions for the establishment of an accessory dwelling unit. Introduce Miss Kimble, Miss Kirkowitz, this was Pulse Ped in August 2021, 2024. There's a motion of Florida Miss Kimball, second of my fiscal limit to pass the 123-3 draft where as amended on first reading, with communications 677.33 from Council Member Helicopa-Goro-Inaba, dated August 22, 2024, transmitting proposed amendments to bill 123-123-Draft 5, and communications 677.38 from Council Member Helicopa-Goro-Inaba, and Communications 677.38 from Consumberho, like a goal were you now by dated, I was 27, 2024, transmitting for pose amendments to bill 123, draft five. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. With that, I'm gonna pass the chair to Council Member Cunnelly, Kleinfelder, as the author of this with Council Member Quits, and then he is the author of the two resolutions. So for our rules, it's over to you, Council Member Kennelly, the Kleinfeld-Thurch chair. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Please have the record effect. I would assume Chair at 1.23 p.m. Thank you. With that, Mr. Clark. Where do we stand with the bill? Just a motion on the purpose of the council. Okay, Mr. Enaba. Thank you, a motion to amend the bill with the contents of communication 677.38. Okay, we have a motion by Councilman Renaba. Second. Second by Councilman Brick Kimball, to amend bill 123.35 with the contents of communication 67.3. Eight. Eight, thank you. Mr. Inala. Thank you. This is, again, I know there was discussion that had gone on while some of us, or perhaps just myself, was not present at the meeting and I believe the bill as a currently reads, allows for up to 3. ADUs per building site or per property. And what is being proposed in this communication is limiting it to two. This goes back to the language that was proposed by Senate Bill 30202, which was enabling legislation, which required us to introduce this ordinance. And again, I'm in support of these ADUs and the potential it has to increase the number of housing units we have on island. I think what we should do in this case though is just go up to the limit that the state had or the minimum that the state had recommended and go from there and if you know there's opportunity to increase that number later we can take that up. So again this amendments puts the bill in line with the minimum required by Senate Bill 30202 to ask for your support. Thank you, Council Member Kimbo. Yeah, thank you. I think you for the opportunity to just speak again on this particular matter. It's important to kind of know a little bit about the legislative history of the state bill, which was initially it would have allowed for a subdivision and then to per unit. So in effect, for total, which is what 123 says now. During the course of the deliberations through the legislature became clear that city and county of Honolulu would not support the subdivision and to buy right or is for total. And so that's where we got to where we were. But in the initial housing conversations that we had with Senator Schatz and his team, really maximizing the number of units that could be developed in the urban core close to facilities close to wastewater close to mass transit was the was the priority. So I continue to support the ability to do three additional units a total of four dwellings keeping in mind that there will be constraints based on the fact that there are setback requirements. We talked about those a little bit yesterday with TARs. There are requirements for square footage to be allowed for individual wastewester systems. If it is requiring a septic tank as opposed to being able to connect to wastewater. So there are other constraints that will keep the numbers in check. I think that's the best way to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to get the right to be able to where it stands right now. Thank you, Neil. Thank you. Chair. Council member Evans. Thank you. Very supportive of this amendment. Yeah, at some point I just wanted to weigh in that the previous speakers spoke about kind of the legislative history of what happened with Brian Schatz in that conversation with the county. I just wanted to add to that on May 20, 2021, 2024 in the meeting minutes of Hsac, the city and county of Honolulu commented, all counties need to come up with legislation to allow for two ADUs by the end of next year. Since 2012 Honolulu has legislation for ADUs allowing for one ADU now will mandate two. Also member Kia Anna said no rush to enact hope the laws repealed efforts to update the land use ordinance. This whether they have two ADUs or and an Oana unit. The decision is very complex if the council decides to move forward having an ADU with or without this Senate Bill 302, which might get repealed, it is a question about land used in density. I agree with the previous speaker on that, but I don't think we need to brush to three. I think we can start out with to see what kind of impact that has. And also the nuances of the impact to parking and traffic and the density of neighborhoods. You know, it will change the makeup of it. I am a density, I believe in density, but is it too much too fast? We're not urban on Alulu. We have our small communities around the island and I worry about changing the kind of that nice kind of low-clean hang loose type of feeling that we have on our island and I would really like us to go with two instead of three at this time. Thank you. Are you old? Thank you, Councilman Bravins. Councilman Merkel, you want to? Thank you, acting chair. Yeah, I am not going to support this amendment. I think it's been said but we can't be underlying enough. This is related to the urban core areas on our island. Speaking as somebody that is representative from one of the main urban cores on our island, in the urban core we're never going to be Honolulu, we do not want to be Honolulu. This is a way to allow for a little bit more density. It's not talking about high rises here, but this is the way that I can speak for my district. Hilo could do more density in the urban core without moving towards a Honolulu model and I believe this is the way we want to do it. So I you know three I think you know you still have to meet all those other things you have to meet you know all those other infrastructure needs and space needs and everything else and for our urban core I really think we should be looking at more density. It keeps our country country. It keeps our neighborhoods, our neighborhoods, and allows for more density in our urban core. And so I'm going to not be supporting this amendment, understanding where some folks are coming from on that, but I just want to emphasize that urban core piece of this legislation. Thank you, I yield. Thank you. I was a member of the council. Thank you, Acting Chair. Really appreciate the opportunity to have this conversation. I'm going to continue to support the version of the bill that is before us to consider. You know, Act 39 requires that the counties provide by right the opportunity to at least have two 80s on one's property. By increasing that to three, we are maximizing housing opportunities where infrastructure exists. And last week, we were meeting as an ad hoc, sort of U-Chapter 11, we had the opportunity to hear from someone from Senator Schatz's office, and Rep. Luke Ebsland, Housing Chair, and he was actually very supportive of the idea that not only are we in alignment with Act 33, 39, but we are going beyond that. I think there are going to be missed opportunities if we limit it to two, so we'll continue to support. The bill has written. Thank you, I yield. Thank you. I like the amendment. I like the amendment because I don't like going too far too fast. And moving to do as many as allowable versus as many, sorry, as few as what Mr. Nabe's proposed in the amendment is to me a careful step in the right direction versus let's go forward and see what happens. I am wondering how this is going to hit our different departments as this lays out. And therefore that is what that really is the basis of my support for the amendment that mystery novel is brought in today. Sorry, Ms. Glimma. Go ahead. Thank you. I'll support the bill as written and not the amendment. I do think we just need the housing and giving people the freedom to build on their lots as appropriate, as allowed by all the other parameters and not on state ag. What is it? The designation. So yeah, state land used ag areas. So this is going to be just on urban and rural areas. Yeah, so I just we we have to give folks the tools to help with our housing situation, which we can all see the ill effects of every day. So it is really, really important that we do all that we can in a measured way. But this is again like this is a national crisis that we are seeing and we are seeing national incentives to increase density. So this will also get us on the curve for that effort. I yield. Thank you. That was a very good question. Yeah. I apologize. I missed some of the beginning of the conversation. I had to go to the restroom, but catching up quickly. I will be supporting this amendment because I, I think that adding one is plenty and sometimes going further. I think we can test the waters. I also have, you know, testimony in front of me from the Sierra Club that is, you know, three and a half pages along with a number of questions and points out a lot of conflicts actually in existence between Bill 123 and Act 39. I also, District 7 has a lot of urban and we're in the middle of a general plan review and transitions with new designations and it's creating some confusion and a bit of a lot of concern. I would also temper to say that while we are, there is a shortage of affordable housing for long-term rentals and people in our working class. We have plenty of homes. They're just not affordable for our working class. As a nation, there are plenty of homes that have been built. I would state that a disproportionate allocation of resources, greed, capitalism, corporate biops of large swaths of homes. I mean, there are a number of reasons that have contributed to this. So I just have a hard time moving this fast in one direction. I think the doubling of the opportunity is plenty versus the potential tripling. And I just take heed when certain organizations that tend to have value systems in alignment with my own bring forth such a lengthy testimony and opposition of Bill 123 draft five. And I hope that my colleagues have read through it and taken a consideration, a number of the things listed here. I mean, there are, yeah, I just would encourage you to do that. And so, as my humble opinion, I will be supporting this amendment. It doesn't look like it will pass, but I think there is wisdom with just adding one ADU instead of going past that at this time. I yield. Thank you. Any further discussion? Okay. Hearing and seeing none motion is on the floor to amend Bill 123. J5 with the contents of communication 677.38. Mr. Clerk, roll call please on the motion to amend bill 123 draft five with communication 67.38 councilmember Evans I Consummember Glimba no Consumere Naba I Consummember Kagiwata no Consumere Kerkowitz no Consumere Lee Lai no Consumere Vegas I customer Campbell no no acting chair kindly client-feller I acting chair client-feller your four votes in favor of those being customer Evans customer Renaba, customer Vegas yourself, if I propose the motion is lost. Back to the main motion, Councilor Murr's discussion. Councilor Rikimbo. Yeah, just I think we've had a pretty lengthy discussion about this legislation. I'd like to continue to move it on to the next level. I think we've made a lot of progress and I do want to just acknowledge the work of everybody on this Dias, you know, going from the initial proposal to getting to where we are now, which is now going to be draft seven, no, six. So I think we've really collaborated well on getting this going and I just, I do want to acknowledge council member V.A. guess that I have read, you know, the testimony from the CR club for Hawaii Island group that I used to actually chair one of my chair person ships. And while I appreciate their concerns, there is some I don't want to call it misinformation, there's some incorrect understandings about the state and what the state legislation says that are present in that testimony, I don't want to go into it now, but I have read that and I just wanted to assure you that I have taken that into account. With that, I will yield and ask for my college support continuing to move this forward. Thank you. Chair. Council member Evans. Thank you. I wanted to ask the kind of a point of order I guess. I wanted to ask the clerk and corporation council about the title of the bill. And if the title of the bill meets the requirement for the content of the bill. What is your concern, Miss Evans or Councilman Breven's? The title says it's relating to O'Hana dwelling units. But because of the way the bill has been drafted, it has completely changed to accessory dwelling unit. Even if you delete the term O'Hana dwelling unit to replace it with accessory dwelling unit. Even if you delete the term Oehana dwelling unit to replace it with accessory dwelling unit, my experience at the state capital is that the attorneys, when they reviewed title, said it had to be clear to any public person who was reading the title to understand what the content of the bill was. If you were reading this title relating to O'Han and dwelling units, you would not ever figure out that it was doing, it was addressing necessary dwelling units. So I'm just thinking it might be a flawed title. So it'd be Corporation Council I guess that would have to review that. The Corporation Council is heading to the dias right now. Thank you, Councilman Revin. I've seen Bill's killed because of titles. Actually, vetoed, not killed. Governors vetoing them because of titles. Good afternoon, this is therans Corporation Council. I would normally consult on a title issue with the Council clerk. The bill itself purports to deal with O'Hana dwelling units and part of that was to change a title and then to address density. And so without doing a little more looking just offhand, I wouldn't think that the title of the bill is flawed. But I would defer at some level to the clerk because they go through a whole legislative review process before placing matters on agenda. So I would be interested in his input and if necessary we could collaborate. Again, I was told that when someone reads a title, a public person would have to understand what is in the content of the bill based on what the title says. In this that is why I'm bringing it up. If the council wants more feedback, I would request a break so that I could consult with the clerk. A title is sufficient. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Councilor Revin's has the clerk fulfilled your request. You're liking? I'm sure you're still in the position to be able to fulfill your request. You're like, you know, I'm not sure if you're fulfilled your request. You're like, you know, I'm not sure if you're fulfilled your request. You're like, you know, I'm not sure if you're fulfilled your request. You're like, you know, I'm not sure if you're fulfilled your request. to us what he's basing that on. The title describes the chapters, the articles that are under review and provides a basic description of the subject matter. A title cannot be relied upon to describe the contents of a bill, particularly most bills being multi-faceted or somewhat even say sometimes complex. A title is merely a descriptor, it does not tell the story. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's an interesting thought. How do you proceed when you when you review title and what is the, um, so I guess I'd ask the clerk. Is this Robert rules of order? What is the? No, it's not. And it's not actually a point of order. You're not pointing out a violation of procedural rules. You're kind of certain about whether or not the title is sufficient and we'd satisfy legal muster. It's a fair question, but it's not a point of order. Okay, so with legal muster on that, I personally, I think it should be reviewed only because it says relating to a Honit DeVellan units. And I've just seen how our attorney general at the state level really drills down on the specific specifics of title. It becomes a really big deal. And I just have really felt we for whatever reason or not calling it relating to accessory dwelling units. I mean, we're not. That's the title doesn't talk about that. And I just would like to think the public when they're reading the bills and looking at title that they feel confident about, you know, why that might, O'Hana might capture their attention but the accessory dwelling unit is different. It's different. I don't know, I just, I feel feel I guess my motion would be to postpone until we either settle on this or keep it here at first at first reading and not advance until we have further discussion and maybe have a corporation council do a little more research and roll on it that's what I would prefer to do. Okay thank you council member Evans coming back to you. Council member Kimmel. I'd like to call for the question. I think that council member Evans's recourse is she has concerns about the title of the bill is to go against it in the first hearing. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. Councilmember. Yeah, I still have a question. Councilmember, yeah. discussion is still ongoing. Councilmember Viegis. Yeah. I received a number of emails between the last meeting in this one from some people claiming or making statements that ADUs cannot be used as short term vacation rentals. I want to confirmation that that has been removed from this legislation. Is that a question I could ask to the maker? that that has been removed from this legislation. Is that a question I could ask to the maker? I actually would ask for the planning department to be here for that. I think that would be the best agency to answer. You could ask the maker, I'm open to that as well. Council Member Kimball, if you'd like to respond, since I do not see planning the permit. That is the authority is given to the council to limit the construction of new ADUs, the use of new ADUs for transient accommodation rentals. One would argue that if there is an ADU in existence that is being used as a transient accommodation rental, that is an infested right that could not be taken, it would be taking if we were to prohibit that use. But this legislation allows for the building of new ADUs and the potential use of a new ADU for short-term vacation rental and that just doesn't sit right with me. I think that that is counterintuitive to the purpose of my understanding. And this goes back to, and I appreciate Council Member Evans pointing out, ideally, this would say a accessory dwelling unit instead of O'Hana dwelling unit, especially after all the conversation we've had about the difference in terminology and the need to change it to be an alignment. And I don't know that any of that can change at this point, but I will acknowledge. Councilmember Evans, I see that being a much clearer, especially since the first thing done here in Section 1 is crossing out the one that's welding unit. So in a perfect world, that's what it would say. I'm not sure where we could go with any of that conversation. But my big problem with this here is that we're making all these adjustments and changing terminology. and the purpose of the ADU opportunity in my understanding is to provide more long-term housing and potentially for multi-family housing and that's how I see that coming into the strategy and at the risk of adding density to already overburdened areas where we don't have the infrastructure to support what's already there. I don't want to be adding to that. For short term vacation rentals, we've been trying to phase those out and limit them, not build more. Yeah, so to me that's counterintuitive. So I would ask for that to be removed. Even though the state gave us the opportunity, I think that's what we've been trying to work on. So I yield. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further discussion. Councilmember Evans checking in. One more time. Oh, thanks for checking in. No, I'm fine. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. That motion is on the floor to forward. Sorry to approve bill. 123 draft five at first reading. Mr. Clerk, roll call please. On the motion to pass bill 123, draft five on first reading, council member Evans. No. Council member Gullimba. Aye. Council member Enaba. Council member Coguata. Aye. Council'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm sure Connie Lee Kleinfelder. Hi. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. Acting Chair Connie Kleinfelder, you have six votes in favor to oppose customer Evans and customer V. Agas and one absent customer Renaba. The motion carries the 123, draft five passes on first reading. Okay. Chair. Chair. Thank you. Yes. Sorry, Ms. Rads. No, I'd like to make a request if I might around some issues that were rosterrain consideration of bills. That's please. I do my best at these meetings when called up on the spot to answer legal questions. I really do. But I would request that if council members have legal concerns about a bill that they try to communicate with me in writing before a meeting so that I can do my best to be prepared and give you the best advice that I can. Just a request. Thank you. I appreciate that. That's helpful. Kelsu, are Evans, did you catch that? Yes. Okay, thank you. Okay, Mr. Clerk. Leslie. Mr. Kim, would you want to take back over a chair? Okay. For sort to our rules, please have the record reflect. I'm re-linkishing chair at 154 p.m. to council, council chair Kimball. Thank you. Thank you, councilmember. All right. Vice Chair Inaba asked that we hold 127 until he returns. We have to step out a little bit. So I'm going to have to jump down to Bill 122, please. Sorry. 192. OK, we passed the lunch hour. It's going to be testimony for Bill 192, which is up for first reading. Bill 192 amends order number 2432 as amended operating budget for the county boy for the fiscal year in June 30, 2025. Increases revs in the federal grounds volunteer fire assistance accounts $17,000. And appropriate same to the volunteer fire assistance federal account for total appropriation of 317,000 dollars. Funds be used for public safety supplies for volunteer fire operations. Introduce Mr. Connelly-Clypholder by request. Chair, motion to approve bill 192 at first reading. Motion by Council Member Connelly-Lee. Klein-Fother seconded by Council Member Lilo. Was it or Glimba? Lilo to approve bill 192 at first reading. Council Member County Liloi Kleinfutter. Thank you, Sarah. No discussion. Any further discussion from the body on this one? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight ayes by Chair Inaba. Excuse Bill 192 is approved at first reading. 193, please. Excuse me, testimony for Bill 193, which is at first reading. Hearing none, Bill 193, a men's chapter 24 article 10, division five, section 24-280, schedule 28 of the White County Code, 1983, 2016 edition as a men are relating to no parking at any time. Cribits parking any time alongside Komi Na Kaimi-Nani Drive in North Kona at the following locations on the south side of Waikani Place from a .51 feet south-east of Waikani Place, extending 39 feet northwest and on the north side of Waikani Place from a .75 feet south-east of Waikani place extending 69 feet northwest of by Connie Plays. Introduce Ms. Lee Light by request. Chair motion to approve bill 193 on first reading. Motion by Council Member Lee Light seconded by Council Member Connie Lee. Kleinpolder to adopt bill 193 at first reading Council Member Lee Light. Thank you asking for my colleague support. I know this is in Council Member Inavis district but he had an opportunity to share his thoughts which is continuing in the committee report. He supports this bill and as acknowledged that the signage has been put in. I yield. Thank you. Any further discussion on this matter from the body? All right. Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine or eight ayes, council member Inaba. Excuse bill 193 is approved at first reading. All right, going on and now to second and final reading, we'll start with bill 182. Is there any testimony for Bill 182? Yeah, I'm going to withdraw this. Oh, okay. We'll just have to wait then until he comes back. Thank you. All right, let's do one nine five. Is there any testimony for Bill 185? Hearing none, Bill 185, amendments chapter 24, article 10, division six, section 24-288.1, schedule 36.1 of the White County Code, as a matter relating to active loading and unloading zones. As a portion of a county Pouley Highway, approximate the Holy Bakery Road to designate an area for distribution of consumer goods to patrons in neighboring businesses. And you should do spend the slew away by request. First reading, August 21, 2024. Chair, motion to adopt the 185 on 2nd and final reading. Motion by Council Member Leole. I seconded by Council Member Glemba to adopt a bill 185 2nd and final reading. Council Member Leole. As for my colleagues, however, I know this is in Ms. Evans' district. Oh. I'm just reading the committee report. She supported this during our committee meetings. What she's walking back into the room. I will defer to her. Thank you. I came back. I was going to the bathroom. Sorry. Where did you talk about my district? Yeah, we're on bill 185 for second and final reading, looking at the traffic code amendment. Do you have any comments before we proceed with the final vote? Yeah, I always appreciate our traffic safety division working with the public. And you know, we have a lot of, you know, one of the things I want to note, I guess, of record about the traffic in North and South Koala is going through exponential. I mean, it's just amazing how it's growing fast and fast. And one of the side effects of having that kind of traffic as people now are speeding. We're having a lot more issues with speeding. So yeah, I think more of this stuff, more of these type of bills will probably come in front of us. So I want to thank you, thank you. Remember Lee Lois. Ask for your support. Thank you. Councilmember Evans. All right. Is that any further comments? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight ayes. Vice Chair Inama excused. Bill 185 is passed. Second and final reading. 186, please. So any testimony for Bill 186? Hearing none, Bill 186, amendments chapter 24, article 10, division 5, section 24-280. It's going to 28 of the way, County Code 1983, 2016, addition as amended, really, to no parking at any time. For its parking alongside two portions of Kalapana Kapoho beach road, from one point, 320 feet southwest of Pouikiro in extending 165 feet in the southwester direction and two 693 feet southwest of Pouikiro in extending 241 feet in the southwester direction. Introduce us Kergo Wits first reading August 21, 2024. Chair, I motion to adopt Bill 186 at second and final reading. Motion by council member Kergoids seconded by council member lily to approve Bill 186 at second and final reading. Council member Kergoids. Thank you just looking for everyone's continued support. I want to take an opportunity to thank Riz over at Public Works and my legislative aid. Yappel for working so diligently with our constituent Auntie Lena Carver at Pohe Kee to resolve the issues that she was experiencing with folks, breaking all over the place. So thank you, Chair. Ailed. Thank you, Council Member Kirkwoods. All right. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight ayes, Council Member Inaba. Well, Council Member Evans, are you over there? Nope, okay, you have seven ayes, Council Members, Evans, and Inaba excused. Bill 186 passes, second and final reading. Bill 187, please. Sorry, testimony for Bill 187. Hearing none, Bill 187 men's orders number 2432 as amended operating budget for the county for why for the fiscal year in June 30, 2025. A police resident of federal grants workforce innovation opportunity act, WIOA account, $2 million, $100,000, and appropriate the same to the following, 2024, 2025, WIOA accounts, administration planning, $200,000, adult program, $800,000, just like this located worker program, $350,000, and youth program, $750,000, funds used by the Department of Research and Development to assist adult-siscated workers and youth by providing services that will train individuals to increase employment, retention, earnings, skills, and literacy. Introduce Mr. Connelly Kleinvoter by request, first reading, August 21, 2024. Chair, I'm motion to adopt Bill 187. Motion by Council Member Connelly. Kleinvoter is seconded by Council Member Gimba to adopt Bill 187 at seconded final reading this one. So I appreciate your time, sir. Thank you. I yield, Chair. Anyone else on this? Thank you very much for being here yet again. I can do the enthusiasm for the program shows by the time I have the opportunity to thank you for the time I have the opportunity to thank you for the time I have the opportunity to thank you for the time I Thank you very much for being here yet again. I can, it's enthusiasm for the program shows by the fact that you come in on a share of that. Thank you. I appreciate all you're doing and thank you to you as well, Director Adams. You're always in a different room when you zoom in. I don't know if you've invented teleporting over there in our D or is that one of the projects you're working on? It is one of the projects we're working on. All right, with that, all those in favor of adopting you Bill 187, please say aye. Any opposed to Mr. Quick, you have seven I's council members, Evan and Enaba excused. With that, if the request of someone who needs a break, I will suggest that we take a 15 or 10 minute break until, sorry, five minute break until one 15. Two. Two. Two 15. Two 15. We're coming back at two 10 minute break. Two 15. 10 minute break. at two 15. Two 15. Ten minute break. Oh my gosh, I think I'm the one that needs a break. Clearly. Thank you. We are going to go ahead and proceed with our agenda. Starting with Bill 127 draft three, please. Is there any testimony for Bill 127 draft three, please. Is there any testimony for Bill 127 draft three? Hearing none, Bill 127 draft three immense chapter 25 article two, division four, section 25-24. W.Y. County Code 1983, 2016 edition, as amended, really into conditions on change of zone. The cars of planning directors include time constraints for the completion or satisfaction of conditions imposed in changes on the district ordinances that do not revert zoning to a previous zoning district designation or an open zoning designation. Introduce Mr. Inaba. Moved to approve Bill 127 draft three at first reading. Second. Motion by Vice-Duringama. Seconded by Council Member V.gas to approve Bill 1273 at First Reading by Vice-Chair Yinaba. Thank you. I'd like to make a motion to amend Bill 1273 with the contents of communication 694.12. Motion by Council Member Yinaba. Seconded by Council Member council member Vegas to amend bill 1 2 7 draft 3 with the Contents of communication 4 9 4.12 by staring at them 694.12 694 I put it out there. That's why all right We introduced the amendment at the last reading and subsequently there was just some confusion in the reading as to how the tolling mechanism works. So the proposed language here says that any request for tolling shall be verified and approved in writing by the director prior to the deadline established by the ordinance and that the director will notify the council of any approval of a request for tolling within 30 days. So no change on the ability to to toll. We just want clear record keeping. And if they don't request or prove that the tolling, then it would refer it as we had previously discussed. So ask for your support just to make sure there's no gray area here. Thank you. Thank you, Vice-Tranabba, Council Member Vegas. I just wanna express my gratitude for your clarification of that. And I think that this holds developers and property owners responsible in a positive way, because there's a history of time extensions running out and going years, if not decades, without any updates. And it kind of seems that it was just assumed that they could get another time extension, but this holds that accountability and focus. It's a responsibility and a privilege to own land in Hawaii, especially if it's zoned for potential development, and it behooves the property owners and the people they work with and hire and pay in order to work on these projects to keep that front of mind and watch those time frames and remain accountable, both to the county administration and the departments that manage these issues and to the council. So thank you for making that very clear in writing black and white. So there's accountability there. I yield. Thank you, Council Member Vegas. Anyone else on the amendment? Seeing none, all those in favor of amending bill 1-2-7, please say aye. Any opposed? Council member Evans? Okay, great. Please. You just kept blending over the camouflage there today. All right. We have nine eyes, Mr. Clerk. Bill 1-2-7 draft three is further amended with the contents of communication. Six, nine, four, point one, two. Back to the main motion. Any further comments? Councilman Breven's checking in with you. No comments, thank you. All right, all those in favor adopting bill one, two, seven draft three is further amended. Please say aye. Any opposed? Any opposed? You have nine ayes. Mr. Clerk, bill 1-2-7 draft 3 is further amended. It is approved at first reading. All right, passing the chair back to you. Vice Chair Ynaba for bill 188 and 189. Thank you, 2-21 PM. I'm assuming the chair. Is there any testimony for Bill 188? During the 188 immense chapter 19 article 7 section 19, that's 57. Other white County Code 1983. 2016 addition as amended related to the non-dedicated agriculture use assessment program. Seated change of sunset date of the non-dedicated agriculture use assessment program from January 1, 2028 to January 1, 2029. Extended the time for property owners of the program to reapply for alternative programs from September 1, 2025 to September 1, 2026 and sets a September 1, 2028 deadline for the director to review all re-applications. Mr. Smith Kimball and Mr. Connelly Klein-Peller. Chair, motion to approve Bill 188 at first reading. Second. Move by Council Member Kimball. Second, and by Council Member Connelly. E-Clinepelder to approve Bill 188 at first reading. Council Member Kimball. Yeah, thank you. Pretty straightforward. Just extending the timeline for folks to apply for one of the new Ag programs by a year, moving all the subsequent dates related to that forward by a year. I did wanna just note in your pinky folders, I did share a communication with you folks, which is a report provided by the Lincoln Institute. This was another piece of documentation that came up in two different sessions that I was in at that tax conference. Not going to go into it now, but one of the two things I wanted to highlight is that the issue that we're seeing with gentrification of Aglands is a national issue and a national concern and the solutions that we here in Hawaii County have adopted to address it are pretty much standard across the country. So those are the two things that I wanted you know you guys to take home there are some other suggestions and ideas in here to maybe put near back pocket for another time but I did want to make sure that you have this is one of the resources available to you with regard to property taxes and ag property. So thank you, that's for everyone's support. Thank you. Just wanted to clarify further record the deadline or the timeline is moving out to the future not forward on the sooner or two now. So I'll come to remember Tony Ali, Klein folder. Yeah, thank you for that clarification. Just need it. It was needed to let the community figure out what's going on and understand how to apply what existing programs that we've created actually are now applicable to them or not and where they need to be headed. And we had some great testimony from folks from our previous administration actually come in and give us testimony to that nature that we do need this time lapse and we do need to have time to figure out how to get this under our belts and how to make it work. So appreciate the community stepping forward asking us to do this and happy to be a part of just a temporary solution. Thank you. Thank you. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of approving Bill 188 at first, we can please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, nine, aye's. Next, Bill bill please. Is there any testimony for bill 189? During none, the 189 amends Chapter 19 article 1, Section 19-2, Article 7, Section 19-DES53, and Article 8, Section 19-61 of the Hawaii County Code 1983, 2016 edition as amended relating to are relating to real property taxes. A men's definition for community foods sustainable use and diversified agriculture, allows for properties on the community food sustainability use assessment and short-term commercial agriculture use dedication programs to be eligible for the homeowner tax classification if the property is used as the owner's primary residence and removes the limit of three consecutive three-year terms through dedication in the short term commercial agricultural use program, introduce Ms. Kimball and Ms. Golembo. Chair, motion to approve Bill 189 at first reading. I want to thank Council Member Kimball, seconded by Council Member Golembo to approve Bill 189 at first reading. Go ahead. Yeah, thank you. Had a good discussion about this in committee, but, um, really just building off of the, the coffee back we got from the public in the rules hearing. Um, these are two item. Well, there are two here, two items in particular that were brought forth as forth as really key issues. The first being the need to not have the three renewal limit on the three year program. People like the flexibility and we're willing to pay for it. And then again, adding pasture for food production to the community food sustainability. Although I will reiterate again that if you're doing pasture that is not the program you want to be in, but if you want to pay us more, we'll take it. Thank you. Any further discussion? Council Member Gilemba? Yeah, I just wanted to take note of the pinky that Councilmember Kimball provided. And just to having read it, that we really are on track with what the sort of recommendations and thoughts were on a national level as based on that piece of reading. Thank you, any further discussions? Seeing one more, calls the American elite client folder. Thank you. I like knowing that we have a renter. Let's help put this bill together. No slight to you, Ms. Kimball, but Ms. Calimba's touching on this bill in regards to a pasture for food production. And lending her experience in that business is, I think, very important. So thank you for leaning in on this. Both of you appreciate it. I yield. Thank you. With that, all those in favor of grouping bill 1 8 9 at first reading to say aye Any opposed motion carries 9 eyes Bill 1 8 9 is approved at first reading 228 pm Returning the chair to Jerk and bull. Thank you very much. I know we've done a lot of chair passing, but I believe, you know, just feel strongly that that's the appropriate thing to do when you're chairing. You do not wanna be chairing a meeting that you are putting forth items on. Okay, moving forward, we're gonna just knock through these CRFs, starting with 594-24. Is there any testimony for resolution 594? Hearing none, resolution 594-24 transfer is appropriates an appropriation out from a designated funded concrete at St. Louis to a designated funded account to purchase a lease for the West White Veterans Cemetery. Puhu Ma O'Noppoy. Kuhu O'Vaikomohana for the National Reesa Cross America Day. Chancers $4,000 of Kerr Council Services Condenser Leave Account, Constitution 8 and Credit Department of Pacture Agration. Administration of the current expenses account issues Mr. Inaba. to approve resolution 594-24. Motion by Vice-Jerry Nabba. Seconded by Council Member Glimba to approve resolution 594-24. Vice-Jerry Nabba. Thank you. I just want to offer the opportunity to the community to attend the reads across America event at 9 a.m. on December 14th at the West Hawaii Veterans Cemetery. A wreath is purchased as part of the efforts to be put on every single grave at the cemetery. And also wanted to take the opportunity to share that a new World War II memorial was dedicated on Monday's past Monday. So lots of great things happening there and to pay your respects on December 14th by placing a wreath if you're able. Thank you. Thank you, Vice-Chairi Naba. Anyone else? All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine ayes. Resolution 594-24 is adopted. Next item, please. Sorry, testimony for resolution 595-24? Hearing none, resolution 595-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account, credit same to a designated fund account, but a grant to going home Hawaii for its Hawaii County Sequential Intercept Model Report. Chancellor's $5,000 dollars of credit council services continuously for account, cost district eight, and credits the Office for Pressing Attorney. Other current expenses account, introduce Mr. Inaba. Move to approve resolution 595-24. Motion by Vice-Chairing Naba. Seconded by Council Member Gullimba to approve resolution 595-24. Vice-Chairing Naba. Yes, we had testimony provided by Goyne Humphoy Ease, Executive Director to support by St. out of incarceration, so ask for your support, Mohonal. Thank you, Ms. Shereenaba, any further discussion? Council member Kagiwata. Yeah, just happy to support. I'll be putting forward a similar CRF resolution to support this effort. I do think it's really important that we have this information in the public about what we can do to stop or intercede when some of these issues before people get to incarceration because it will save our resources and also saves those people from being traumatized. So, you know, people with mental health issues don't need to be traumatized in the justice system if that's the main reason they're there. So thank you and I look forward to supporting this in any way I can. Thank you, council member. Anyone else? All right. All those in favor you, council member. Anyone else? All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine, aye's resolution 595-24. Is adopted. Next item, please. Sorry, testimony for resolution 596-24. Hearing none, resolution 596-24, transfer is appropriate. It's an appropriation of a designated fund account Could it same to a designated fund account by the grant to the friends of first responders to assist with expenses for the 2025 appreciation weeks transfers 5,000 dollars from a car council services continuously relief account Constituc 8 and credits to the public control public programs account introduced mr. Inaba Hope to approve resolution 596-24 to the council. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. appreciation for our first responders across the island. That's where your support. Anyone else? All those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Kirk you have nine eyes resolution 596-24 is adopted. Next item please. So any testimony for resolution 597-24? Hearing none resolution 597-24. Hearing none, Resolution 597-24 transfers or appropriates an appropriation of my designated fund account, credits saying to a designated fund account to add a grant to friends of the Children's Justice Center of East Hawaii, incorporated to assist with this emergency closet program, transfers $5,000 of clear council services continuously relief account, and credits to the Department of Lyric and Control, public programs account, and to use Ms. Lila. Chair, motion to adopt Res resolution 597-24. Motion by councilmember Lilo, seconded by vice-gerenava to adopt resolution 597-24. Councilmember Lilo. You know, when you ask this girl to help fill a closet, I get really excited. But it really is an honor to help the children's justice center. This really is about filling a closet for children who have experienced abuse and have really nothing, I mean, just nothing basic. And so I'll ask for my colleague's support to help fill this closet. I yield. Thank you, Council Member Levy. Anyone else? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Quick, you have nine, aye. Resolution 597-24 is adopted and Council Member Lee Lawyer. Will, you can help me with my closet any time, too. All right. Is there any testimony for Res resolution 598-24? Hearing none, resolution 598-24, transfers appropriate and appropriation now from a designated fund account. Credit same to a designated fund account but a grant to the island of Hawaii, YMCA for expenses relating to phase three of a mural project for its new horizons youth development program. Chancellor's $9,625 from the Clerk Council Services is continuously for Council District three and credits to the Partly Liquor Control for the Programs Account and you dismiss Liloie. Chair motion to adopt Resolution 598-24. Motion by Council Member Liloie, seconded by Council Member Puggy. What a to adopt Resolution 598-24. Council Member Leila. You know, I never imagined the demolition of Uncle Billy's really turning into a place for art in public spaces. This is Phase 3, the why who provides great intercession programs for our kids. This provides them the opportunity to do art at the Y. And then establish that on our mural project at Uncle Billee's for Art and Public Spaces. So I do appreciate my colleagues' support on this ongoing effort down at Banyan Drive. I yield. Thank you, Council Member Levy. Anyone else? Council Member Kaguaylata. Thank you Council Member Levy. Anyone else? Council Member Kaguya-Lotta. Thank you. I just want to lend my support for this CRF. You know, it's a great project and I'm happy to see my friend Becky is working with the kids and I think it's going to, you know, like you said, be something positive coming out of a situation that's not been so great for our community previously so thank you for we're heading this in supporting it. Thank you council member all right up any further comments seeing none all those in favor please say aye any opposed mr. quick you have nine eyes resolution five nine eight dash two four is adopted thank you is there any testimony for resolution five nine nine dash two four the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . downtown Kilo Christmas lights parade. Chancers, $3,000 of queer council services continuously relief account, council district two and Credit to the Department of Parks and Recreation Administration, other current expenses account introduced to Ms. Kagiwata. Thank you, Chair. Motion to approve resolution 599-24. Motion to approve, Council member Kagiwata. Seconded, if I can, I'd be Council member Lee Lo to approve resolution 599-24. Councilmember Kagiwata. Thank you. I'm just happy to support this annual event that's kind of fun for everybody. Happens in downtown Hilo November 30th at 6 p.m. come out and see the lights in the parade. So hope you can all make it. Thanks looking for your support. Thank you council member. I can't believe we're talking about Christmas already boy. Oh boy. Your your decorations are to you All right, well any other comments seeing none all those in favor. Please say aye Then you post mr. Clerk you have nine eyesolution 599-24 is adopted. Next item, please. There's any testimony for resolution 6000-24. Hearing none, resolution 6600-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fund account. Credit scene to a designated fund account to provide a grant to the island of Hawaii, YMCA for its family visitation center. Trustors $5,000 in a clerk council services contingency relief account, Constituct 2 at Credit Office Press and the Attorney, other Curny Spence's account introduce Ms. Kagiwata. Chair, I'm motion to approve Resolution 600-24. Motion by Council Member Kagiwata, seconded by Council Member Lidl, to approve Resolution 600-24 for Council Member Kagiwata. Thank you. Just looking for your support for this really important program for our community, the widest, the family visitation center, which allows children who have been in a domestic violent situation to visit with a parent in a supervised and safe way and still keep those connections But really maintaining that safety. So I'm happy to support this and hope you'll support me. Thank you Thank you, Councilmember Kauviwata. Anyone else councilmember Lee? Oh, yeah, thank you I just wanted to pass on a note from our former colleague Tim Richards now Senator or he that you know This was always a big program for him, so he did want me to share his support of this resolution. And thank you, Councilmember Kaguata, for continuing to help these families. Are you? Thank you, Councilmember Lee Luey, any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine aye's resolution, resolution 6-00-24 is adopted. Next item, please. There's already testimony for resolution 6-01-24. Hearing none, resolution 6-01-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation of a designated fund account. And could it say into a designated fund account about purchase of REs for the Westway and credits the part of parks or agrarian administration other current expenses account introduce Ms. Villegas. Motion to approve resolution 601-24. Motion by council member Villegas seconded by council member Duda to approve resolution 601-24 council member Villegas. Just want to thank the people that work on this great project and I'm grateful to have the resources to be able to contribute kind of that gap funding for this and proud to be able to support along with council member Inava. Thank you council member Vegas any further discussion? Seeing none all those in favor please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Resolution 601-24 is adopted. Next item please. Certainly testimony for resolution 602-24. Hearing none, resolution 602-24 transfers, appropriates an appropriation of from a designated fund account. Could it seem to a designated fund account for the 2020 by Summary Fund Program at the Pahala Community Center. Chancers $4,000 on the court council services continuously for Council District 6 and Credit Department Parks Recreation, summer intercession class activities account. Introduce Ms. Glimba. Question to approve resolution 602-24. Motion by Council Member Glimba. Seconded by Vice Chair Inava to approve resolution 602-24. Council Member Glimba. Not here. Motion by Council Member Glemba. Seconded by Vice-Chairi Nava to approve Resolution 602-24. Council Member Glemba. Thank you. So I'm even worse than thinking about summer. So this is just to help kids in my district to be able to afford summer fun and ask for my colleagues support. Thanks. All right. Thank you, Council Member Gilemba. I don't know if I can think all the way until next summer. Well, all right. All those in favor? Please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine eyes. Resolution 602-23 is adopted. 603, please. Is there any testimony for resolution 603-24? Hearing none, resolution 603-24 transfers appropriates an appropriation out from a designated fun account. Could it say into a designated fun account? With the 2025 summer fund program at the Nalu Community Center. Chancellor's $4,000 of the Clerk Council Services continues to really account Council District 6 and Credit Department of Parks and Recreation, Summer Intercession Class Activities Account, and use Miss Gullimba. Motion to approve Resolution 603-24. Motion by Council Member Glimba. Seconded by Vice-Terry Nabba to approve. Resolution 603-24, Council Member Glimba. Thank you. And also want to thank my parks and recreation staff at the Summer Fund Program for their support for this program and for making the kids happy. Thanks. Thank you Councilmember Glimma. Anyone else? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have nine, aye's resolution 603-24 is adopted. We do have to go back to Bill 182 to just withdraw that. Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. I missed 608-609, thank you. Is there any testimony for a resolution 6-08-24? Hearing none, resolution 6-08-24 transfers appropriate an appropriation of a designated fund account. Credit same to a designated fund account But it went to homo cool youth foundation incorporated to assist to assist with expenses relating to its kiki program transfers $5,000 a clerk council services continuously for count constatistic one and Credits to part of liquor control for the program's account introduce Ms. Campbell Motion by council member you now be seconded by council member kaki wanted to approve resolution 608-24. Motion by council member. You now be seconded by council member Kaguata to approve resolution 608-24. Just as for my colleagues support, this is a program that I fund pretty much every year. So I'll ask for your support again. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Kirk, you have 9-9. Resolution 608-24 is adopted. 609 please. Is there any testimony for resolution 609-24? Hearing none, resolution 609-24 transfers appropriate and appropriation out from a designated fund account. Could it say into a designated fund account but a grant to the North Kohala Community Resource Center for expenses relating to the Grand Parents Day event. Transures, $2,160 in the Kerr Council Services continuously relief account, Councilor Chief Nine, and Credit's Department of Lyric Control public programs account introduced by Ms. Evans. My move to adopt resolution 609-24. Second. Motion by Council Member Evans, I move to the resolution 609-24. Motion by Councilmember Evans, seconded by Vice-Chairnava to adopt resolution 609-24. Councilmember Evans. Thank you. The Kohala Resiliency Hub has put together an event called Cran's Parents Day, and it will have entertainment, refreshmentsments, informational boost to educate our Capuna on services they may need such as healthcare, home care, hospice, daycare, SNAP programs. And so really please just support our Capuna and ask for your support. Thank you, Councilmember Evans. All right, any further discussion? Signeann, all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have eight ayes. Council Member Connelly, Kleinfeld are excused. Resolution 609-24 is adopted. Now we'll take care of Bill 1802. Is there any testimony for Bill 182? Hearing none, Bill 182 amends Chapter 24 article 4, Section 24 17 is Section 2419, or the White County Code 1983, 2006, and Dition as amended. Ready to exemption from certain motor vehicle taxes and fees for vehicles used by police officers and are official duties seeks to exempt motor vehicles older, least for 12 months or longer by the county and county subsidized motor vehicles from motor vehicle taxes and certain vehicle registration fees. This introduced my scramble first reading is August 7th to then 24. This was post-polling in August 21 2004 and there's a motion by mystery novice second of my school to pass bill 182 on second and final reading. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Just for everybody's edification, there was a flaw in the title of this one. And the language of the bill, we were initially going to amend the bill to align with the title and then do a subsequent bill. But after talking with the finance director, we're just going to pull the bill and correct it and push the new bill straight to council. I just should make a note that what the bill does, which is ensure that folks that are using county vehicles, that personal vehicles for county purposes are not being charged to the registration fee. That is already kind of happening. So this bill actually really aligns the procedure that is already going on in finance. So there's really nothing going to change from the actual implication inside. But we wanted to make sure the bill was all correct. So that is happening and I asked the maker, the motion to withdraw it so we can correct the title. We submit. The motion is withdrawn. Thank you, Vice Chair. All right, that leads us to the end of the agenda to the executive, sorry, the executive order, executive session item. 9-5. 399-5. 389-5. Code Uchi versus Code Civois Civil Dumber. 14-1-00000336 from Deputy Corporation Counsel, Litigation Section Chief Larissa L. Herol dated August 12, 2024. Recursion Attorney Client Confederation Discussion to Consol with the Council regarding the love and title matter. 5 by Douglas Hustead, S. Quarer, and behalf of his client, Jemme Kauuchi. All right. Can we have a motion to close the file on communication and do you want to make your motion to close file on communication 995? Motion by Council Member Inaba, seconded by council member glimba to close file and communication 995 with that. There hopefully everybody has read their packet and I guess we need to see if we want to get into executive session and if so, if I'm sure you now is prepared to make that motion. Believe it, this is probably complex enough, we need to get it to executive session, right? But if you would, if you would. Yes, pursuant to HRS requesting that we go into executive session as it relates to our powers, privileges, duties and functions for civil number 14-1-003036. Can I have a second? Okay, motion by Vice Chair Inaba seconded to, by Council Member Glemba to enter into executive session pursuant to HRS chapter 92, all those in favor. And you pose to Mr. Clerk, you have seven eyes. Council members, Liloie and Hamilie, Kleinfeld, they're excused. So with that, we will be moving into executive session. Thank you. you you you All right. Thank you. We are back out of executive session. I'm going to pass the floor to Vice Chair Enama to briefly summarize the conversation. Thank you. Yes. In executive session, we were briefed on the case history and the beauty corporation also provided us a summary of the request and I believe we are prepared to make a motion. So with that I will make a motion to accept the recommendation by Corporation Council as it pertains to communication 995. Thank you, Vice-Chairyan Namba. So the motion on the floor is to accept the recommendation of Corporation Council in respect to communication 995 in the case regarding Kawaguchi versus County of Hawaii, civil case number one four dash one, dash zero, zero, zero, three, three, six motion has been seconded by Council Member Kaguata, any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have six I's. Motion carries. I'm sorry, absent is Council Member Liloi, Council Member Evans and Council Member Conelli Eclinfeldr. We will return to the motion to close file. All those in favor? Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have six eyes to close file in the communication 995. Council members Evans, Liloie and Cunnelly Eclinfeld are excused. Without are there any announcements? Saying none, we have no further business. We are adjourned. The time is 3 10 p.m. Thank you everyone. have a great day