Good evening. My name is Catherine Taylor and I want to be Howard County zoning hearing examiners. We're here in the case of BA 24-025C. The petitioner is J&J Property Services LLC. Doesn't appear to be represented by an attorney. Is that you, Mr. Price? Yes, sir. And you're not represented by a lawyer, correct? No, I'm not. OK. OK. No problem. I just wanted to confirm that. All right. So it appears we have a lot of people in the audience. Mr. Price, there are a number of people who showed up in person, who are in the audience that you probably can't see. And I don't even know if they can see you since you are virtual. But we've done this before. before it can get a little wonky, but we'll, we'll do the best we can to make sure everybody can hear everybody else. And then that everybody can be heard who wants to be heard. So first, what I like to do is just get the, find out who it is that's online and of those people who will be participating. And then I'd like to find out from the audience who will be participating, i.e. providing testimony as opposed to observing. If you don't know at this point, that's fine. But if you do know, if you could just let me know. And then we'll kind of go from there. So the people who are attending virtually, of course, Mr. Price. And who is that next to you? That's my wife. Okay. And your name, ma'am? Mrs. Price, Miracup Price. OK, and do you plan to testify? No. OK, you're just. Just observe. OK, all right. OK, and then we have a Bob Terry. If you could unmute yourself just so I can have you identify yourself and let me know whether you plan to testify or not Mr. Terry can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you just an observer. Thank you just observing. Okay Thank you Devon Kitchett I'm going to go to, maybe Kitchell. No worries, Kitchell is correct. Thanks. Are you observing or will you be testifying? Observing. Thank you. Joseph Rudder. Mr. Rudder, do you plan to test far you just observing? Mr. Radar, can you hear me? Okay. Okay. Mr. Rutter, were you wanting to testify? Okay, we'll come back to him. There's a call in, a, a, a Laurie Luck. Miss Luck, can you unmute yourself? Okay. Ms. Luck, do you plan to testify or are you observing? Yes. Question mark? Yes, I will plan to testify. Okay. For the petitioner or opposition? Opposition? Okay. Okay. And so we'll call you when that time comes then. And then there is a call in user that is obviously online via a phone. If that person can unmute their speaker or their microphone. Calling user 2, did you want to testify this evening? You're able to unmute yourself. self. Okay, we'll come back to that person at a lighter point. Okay, so... And then there's one more calling user. Oh. Let's see. Call in user 3. That might be Joe Rudder or okay well I only I don't see a call user three. I just elevated them. Oh okay there's somebody call and user three it looks like an area code 302. That's me Lily Dahn, GAHNN, I'm just hearing and observing. You're just observing? Yes, okay, thank you. Okay, I think we've gone through the people who are attending virtually. And we'll try to check this as we go forward to see if anybody pops on. Okay, so for those of you who are here in the audience, can you just give me a raise of your hand if you plan to testify? Okay, so 123456 ish. Okay. So what we'll do is rather than going through all your names now, did all of you who are either observing or plan to testify, sign the sign in sheet? Okay, make sure you do that. So what we'll do is when we get to, okay, I guess I shouldn't assume that you're here for the opposition, but how many of you in the audience are here for the petitioner? For the opposition? Okay. So Mr. Price, there are a number of people here who are studying that they are opposing the petition. So let me explain how this is going to proceed. So this hearing is going to be a little weird because we don't have parties sitting here like you do in a court. But it kind of proceeds a little bit like a very relaxed court proceeding. So the petitioner, who's the moving party basically gets to go first, and present the reasons why he believes that the petition should be granted. Now since he's not represented by council, his presentation will basically be testimony. I'll square him in before he starts. And then after he finishes, then any of you will be able to question him on the testimony that he's given. if know, a question that's raised as a result of testimony he's given, then you would then have an opportunity to ask him that question. That isn't your chance to testify. It's just your chance to ask questions of the petitioner. And then after that part concludes, we go to the opposition side. And then I'll go through and just ask you to come up one by one. I'll get your name. I'll swear you in. And you'll be able to testify. And at this point, we won't have any limits on testimony. I'm hoping that you all won't be any more than a handful of minutes. But, and to the extent, if you've had an opportunity to prepare maybe a little bit in advance with each other, to the extent, try not to just repeat the same thing over and over. Again, if somebody else has said something that is something you want to bring up, you can say, I agree with, you know, Mr. Orsonzo or Mr. Orman-O-Missonzo in that help speed things along. And then at that point, actually after each of you testifies, then Mr. Price will have the opportunity to ask you questions, if he wishes. And then more conclude with all that, if there's no other evidence to be submitted into the record, then we will basically end the hearing and close the record. So a couple of things for the record house keeping. So Mr. Price, have you handled a hearing like this before? No, I have not. Okay. So basically, I'll be making the decision based on all the factors that are set forth in the zoning regulations, right? And those are the factors that are set forth in your petition that you are required to respond to. The information that I'm going to be able to consider is as follows. The petition and the revised petition, I know that there was a revised petition and a revised plan and I think a revised narrative. All of that, all those documents are already part of the record and if you wish to refer to those you certainly may or should and then that you don't need to have them accepted separately into the record as an exhibit. If there is a document that has not yet been provided to Ms. Berg and placed into the file or the record, then we will have to have that document marked as an exhibit. So in addition to the documents that have already been provided, the documents that are already part of the record or the DPC Technical Staff Report and all the agency comments that came along with that, the Howard Kennedy zoning regulations, of course, the general, Howard Kennedy General Plan, those are all considered to be part of the record, meaning that is all information and evidence that I'm entitled to consider when I make the decision in this matter. Now generally we adhere to some rules of evidence. We're not really strict in administrative proceedings as parties may be in court. For instance, there's not a limit on hearsay, et cetera. But there are some constraints, think constraints, or that we don't want repetitive testimony or documents and we also don't want anything that's not relevant to the issues in the case. That's a big problem because here say we're going to hear a lot of hearsay. Well I will tell you that very experienced and I, you know, anything that's admitted into the record, even if it's hearsay, is given the weight that the fact-f the the the the the the the the the the the the the Okay, let's test. submitted that you do plan to use. I've only submitted things that were required for this. OK. Potession. OK. I believe. OK. So everything's been submitted. I hope so. Hope. OK. OK. OK. OK. All right. OK. So at that point, what I like to do, Mr.. Price is go ahead and have you state and spell your full name for the record. My name is Peter Kenji Price. And how do you spell your middle name? A-E-N-J-I. Okay, and price as spelled like we all spell it. Okay, and I'll need to swear you on. Do you sound only promise to speak truthfully in the testimony you're about to give? Yes, I do. Okay, now this is your opportunity to submit, you know, the information, evidence, you know, documents, what not in support of your petition. You certainly can rely on and or refer to the documents that have already been submitted. You know, some people just say, hey, everything's in the documents already, but you can certainly highlight certain information if you think it's important. Thank you for that opportunity. I think everything's in the documents. However, I do want to point out our situation. We are in a cul-de-sac at a pipe stem lot. We're at the very end of our neighborhood. I'm requesting that we have a 40-order by 35 area of parking area to storm my business equipment. And that's it. As far as I think the stipulation is that we don't have 16 feet of roadside frontage. So therefore we have to go through this procedure. And one of the main complaints was about that. So with that said, I think the county and this is the reason why we're here makes provisions for that. with that said we have our 44 by 35 lot. This very well hidden from the rest of the neighborhoods of you. You can barely see it. It's not a hindsight for anybody. really reduce the value of anybody's property, especially with the amount of traffic that we have coming and going. I think we're allowed to have up to 18 wherever creators. We're allowed to have up to 18 visits to and from our property on a daily basis, which we'll never see that in a month. I'm sorry you said you're allowed to have up to 18 what? I'm pretty sure it says that property that's over three acres in size. That's in the RC dristered. Can have over 12 trips, excuse me. For lots of three acres or more. I will never see that. I even come close to that in a week. However, I just wanted to point that out because we have very little traffic compared to the amount of traffic that comes to tour in the neighborhood on a daily basis from landscaping companies, EPS, FedEx, of course, Amazon, with all the other services that come into our neighborhood and provide services to everybody in this community. They won't hardly even notice our presence. We have people parking their trucks on their streets, other construction, they park their streets like once a day, the street is blocked by their trucks, not blocked, but they're parked. And there's, of course, a landscaping truck. And to single us out, it's ridiculous. There's another business on our property with the same issues of pipe stem property. Here are called friendly pet fences or something like that. Same issue. They have four trucks, but they have a lot more traffic than we do. And I'm compelled to file the same kind of petition or complain against them. Should I be? So let's just stick with the factors that support your petition for, I mean, I'm not necessarily gonna be looking at what other people are doing, except to the extent that somebody claims that this would have an adverse effect. And then in that situation, I could see where your explanation that there are a lot of other similar, lots of other, and on paraphrase, similar traffic in the area could be you know a bottle to that. Excuse me. In neighbors doing the same thing. We've had shredder trucks parked on a full of sacks. People that own shredder trucks Shredder business, it's just pretty much do as I say, not as I do, and I'll even at that. Okay, so you said that... So there's a limited number of vehicles that are allowed under the statute or the code. And so you have stated that you only propose one landscape dump truck, a dump trailer, a roll-off dump trailer, and two roll-off bins, is that correct? That is correct. Okay. However, I prefer not, I can actually store the roll up, Benz it another property. I don't want them on my property. I don't want any of this stuff on my property. But for now, it is what is. We just started a business. Okay, so the number of commercial vehicles is limited to three commercial vehicles. And so they're most of the vehicles. Pardon? You see vehicles. What does that mean? Very good question. It's probably defined in the code and and I can get to that, but I just want to make sure that your statement here in the petition that you're proposing when landscape dump truck a dump trailer, a roll-off dump trailer, and two roll-off bins is the extent of the equipment that you plan or would like to have parked on the site. Yes and I think the trailer, the two trailers and the landscape truck constitute vehicles. I would agree, I think. What is a roll off bin? A bin's just, you know, there's things that people have been as a, and then what a bin is, I just don't know what a roll off bin is. There's a dumpster. Oh, it's the part of the dumpster without the wheels and the truck. It's just the bin. Yeah, you drop it off. You drop it off on a location and people fill it up. Okay. And how large are those? They're 13 yards. In terms of the capacity, right? The 13 yard capacity. About how long and wide are they? Do you know estimate is all I need? Probably about 20 feet. Okay. On the on top of the trailer, probably about 25 feet. Okay. It would all all this equipment would fit in that 35 by 44 and parking area that I'm proposing to use. If not, I have of interrupt to do all that you continue. I'm sorry, you know. I'm done. Okay. We'll... will... So in terms of the... The potential for impact or adverse impacts, what you state here that the impact would be the same as neighboring properties. So I think what I'd like to know is at what times of day are these vehicles brought in and out of that area where they're going to be parked? Well, we would have to be strictly comply to, I think what Howard County said was like, I think it's like from seven o'clock to six, 30 PM. There's a there's a pretty time that in the zoning laws that we're not allowed to be driving via coast. And we're not allowed to be driving vehicles. And we will strictly adhere to that. Additionally, we don't have that much business. We're just starting up. Okay. Should we actually get to the point where we have 12 back and forth visits by my kid. I'd be very happy. Is the plan to have any employees come to your location at the address? I don't have any employees. I don't have any employees. Okay. I don't think I ever will have employees. I have a business partner and he's been the only one that's come onto my property for business purposes. Okay. So there are basically just two people at this point who are operating the business who would be coming on to the property to either bring vehicles out or take vehicles in. First. Yeah, we don't have employees. We don't plan on doing. There's hardly any maintenance to our equipment. The company said that we were doing mechanical work on our equipment. That wasn't even ours if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not sure if we can do that. I'm not here to hear the complaint per se, but it seems that this petition was spurred by a complaint or complaints, is that right? Yes it was. Okay. So there is a requirement that any parking areas, loading areas, refuse areas will be appropriately located and buffered and screened from public roads and residential uses to minimize adverse impacts on adjacent properties. And the statement in the petition is that the area is mostly already screened and buffered due to the property location and elevation. Can you explain that a little bit more? We were at the at the end of the total sack that backs up to farms and Tapska River, the area and parks or whatever. And actually one of our two that you adjacent to our neighbors probably has become like a park area. Anyway, we're very isolated. You can't see anything. We're at an elevated height. Our house box of you from our next door neighbor, even they may be clean, you can see everything from his property. He can't. Also, we built a tax garage for personal use. Originally because I thought it wouldn't be such a big deal if I stored some of my building like a little office in my garage and conduct business from there, and also telecom me for my other professional job. However, I'm not using that detached garage for anything but personally use. So this 44 by 35 foot parking area, which is very well hidden. You can't see it nobody can see it unless you really tried it very hard to look for it. It doesn't, it's not a promise for us. You're concerned for that last. You can't see it is hidden and very, very private. Okay. So there are no structures being proposed, right, not for my business. Okay. When the. Howard County, if officials came out to inspect my property and I was in violation of things, I told her I was probably going to use my garage for part of my business, but when I found out, it exceeds the square footage allowable for my property. I said, hey, I'm not going to use that for any part of my business ever. Can you point out on the revised plan? This is one of the documents that you submitted in advance. It's a marked up survey from Clearline Land Surveys. Yes. I'm trying to looking at this. I'm trying to figure out where the area that you propose to use for the parking of those vehicles will actually be. Is it? Okay. And does it have all the scribbleings all the drawings that I drew all over it? Yes. Okay. You can see a parking area one and parking area two, I guess. You can see the house attached for Roche. And so the right of the jet. Yes, hold on. Kale, am I able to share my screen? I'd like to put this up for everybody to say. I'm sorry. No, that's okay. Sorry. Let's make sure. Yeah, I'm just trying to make sure I get the right thing on the... Okay. Okay. That's okay. Okay. Can you see that Mr. Price? Yes. Okay. I'll try to make it a little bit bigger. I don't think I can. Okay. May that. I might. I can see that. See you see all that. Oh, got it. Okay. Okay. So yes, I see P1 and P2, right? Yeah. Okay. So, and I see the garage. Where is the area, the 30, 44 by 30? It's P2. It's what? P2. Okay, well, P2 seems to connect to P1. Or there's a, that's my detached garage is between the two. Okay, so P2 is only as we're looking at this piece of paper to the right of the garage. Correct. Okay. The garage is basically blocks. Look, that along with my house that you can see. Basically blocks a view of my whole parking area. Okay, so the garage is even. The garage is 50 by 43. It looks like or 45. 42. Okay. Because I, 2200 square feet so largest. Okay, so I just want to make it, make it clear for the record then the area that's being proposed for you to be able to park these landscape contractor vehicles on is the area labeled P2 and even though there doesn't appear to be a lot to me there doesn't appear to be a line separating P2 from like rest of this area. But am I correct in saying that the line would be like here? Mara, they're not connected. There's a patch garage between. I'm going sure if you can see the there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a the back of the gr to the back corner of the garage correct correct correct correct correct so from the back the front of the garage the back of the garage is 44 feet understood and then the other direction is 35 feet yeah right so yeah that's it. And it's very well hidden as you can see because that detached garage as well as my house, the elevation of my property, which is higher than more basically higher than all of my neighbors. Okay. Basically, it makes a very well hidden property parking lot. Sorry. Okay. So that's clear. Thank you. Let me just go through several of the... Okay, so... It looks like there are only... Are there... Looks like there are three lots with dwelling units that, oh, actually four, that join either, that join your property or that exit. Well, there's only three that are joining your property. And then there's one. Yes, so there's only three parcels with dwelling units on them that are joined your properties. Is that correct? And I'm not okay. I'm not positive about that. Okay. We have a neighbor to the right of us and neighbor to the left of us. I don't know what to say. And a farm behind us. So it looks like there's a flag lot right next to yours with a similar length driveway. That's one of the lots. Is that 896? Correct. OK. What is your address? 899. OK. And then 895 is also adjoining your lot and your flag drive and your in the pipe stem. Correct? I mean that one and you have to ask the Garcens. I'm not sure whether they're pro. I I've I would say yes. Okay. I'm not sure. I'm done with their addresses. Well, regardless of what they're addresses, when you drive, when you drive into your driveway, there is a house on the left as you approach your house and then there are two houses on the right, correct? As you drive into your driveway. Yeah, I want to be, I guess, chair, crawl, chest, but they're, I would, then I'd have to say, OK, so, so really what I want to know is, so what you're saying is that this parking area is going to be on the opposite side of your garage from the house at 895 old station court. Yes. Okay. They won't be able from their house or from from the okay. And how about the home at 896. Very little. Okay. They'd have to look to all their garbage that they have lined up against our property to see. Through that and also is there any. Is there any buffers or like a tree buffer fence or anything like that? Yes, yes, there's trees. And also they're downhill from us because we are at the higher elevation. So if you can see through the ground, it'd be amazing, but I mean, you can't very little. We can't see. Okay, and then they will say different, but. And that's fine. Everybody has a different, literally a different right? So okay, and then the house to the right as you first Enter your driveway not the house with the flag lot but the house itself. I don't know the address of that but There's two houses they were they might have minimal visibility there's a lot of trees a lot of hot big giant pine trees around and okay yeah to do it's a stretch to see my parking lot too okay two. Okay. Alright, I'm just looking through the... I'm going to ask you to ask for your first question. I'm going to ask you to ask for your first question. I'm going to ask you to ask for your first question. I'm going to ask you to ask for your first question. I'm going to ask you to ask for your first question. I'm going to ask you to ask for your first question. I'm going to ask you to ask for your first question. There's other businesses in our neighborhood that are probably using more space on their property than I am. I'm really asking for a 44 by 35 very well hidden art of five property to store a little bit of equipment that won't even be used in this community, be used outside of the neighborhood at a very limited basis because we're just starting out. Graphics should be minimal and I appreciate your time and patience with me. And so I just want to thank you for doing what you can. OK, absolutely. So thank you. All right, so you can kind of relax for a little bit. What we're going to do now is ask if any of the, well, you can't really relax. I'm going to ask if any of the people here who are Planed who plan to testify or even if you don't plan to testify have any questions for Mr. Price and these would be questions relating to the criteria that are required to be found in order for me to grant the petition. All right, so I see a couple of hands, ma'am, you can come on up. Yeah, you can sit here. If you will, state and spell your name for the record. Hi, I'm Karen, C-A-R-Y-N, Clark with an E at the end. And your address. 815, Iron Rail Court. Okay. Okay, so I have a couple of questions about what was just stated by Mr. Price. One of the things you stated was that you wanted to store at another location you seem to allude that in the future you would want to move your equipment there as opposed to having it where you are petitioning to have it now. Why in the future, why not just do it now? Because I'm basically, a friend has offered me help to do this. I feel like I'm encouraging on his property and all this stuff, but he's willing to help me out. So what does that mean? He's not even charging. He's not charging me any money for this. However, the thing is, I want to, the reason why I want to keep certain equipment in my house is basically for security purposes. I don't want to see my stuff getting storm damaged or ripped off. And that's about it. And we can understand that and appreciate that. But what does the future look like? That's a very subjective term. Are we talking month, year, what is the future? Well, I have to say that, you know, my, I can't make my decision based upon what may or may not happen in the future. You know, Mr. Price, if you want to answer that, you can. But I don't really think that's necessarily relevant. I'll leave it at that, Kale. Pardon? So my next question is, you said, how long would the roll-offs be on site? And how long until they're emptied? I did some quick searching and the 13 yard bins. Is that correct? Is that the size you're talking about having on the property 13 yard? Sure, it's correct. OK, so those bins, according to Google, say that they hold 70 to 90 trash bags. And that seems somewhat small. I think your dimensions that you gave, according to, again, Google, 14 by 8 by 3.5 feet high. So how long are those going to be there with refuse in them? How long are those going to be on your property, do you propose? Hopefully never. We plan to dump them that day that we pick up our bins. If not, I will not bring them onto our property. I'll store them somewhere else. And we will never have a filled bin on our property. Unless it's my own, how many of them for myself, which I've maybe been using most of my equipment for my own personal use. Again, that sounds great, but how do we know that that's gonna happen in Miss Taylor? I understand you know, you can't protect a future, you can't make your decision on the future. As residents of the neighborhood, I'm hoping you can understand that the future, we don't want to do that. We want to keep things off of the property and in the neighborhood. And understand Mr. Price's desire that he seems to be stating that's the case as well. But. Well, so what I was saying is that I can't make my determination based on the idea that one day he may be able to use a different site, but I certainly can't use certainly, so that was really not a relevant question, but your question about how long the loaded bins will stay on the site is relevant. Right. And there's some ambiguity to how long they are going to be there. The desire for Mr. Price seems to be they don't, he doesn't want them there, neither do any of us, obviously, but I'm not sure what kind of guarantee how to, you know, want to should, you know, those things. We don't have anything definitive that we know that they are going to be gone. I think that's a concern. Do you have any plans for the future to have larger bins? And if so, what is the size that you are hoping to have? And I guess the same questions. Are you expand to expand your business? Are you going to have this be something that is continuous that you just get bigger? I mean, I will note just to interject here that there is a limit of three commercial vehicles. Three commercials vehicles of what size? I'd have to look at the rules, but I mean, basically commercial vehicles, anything used for the business, right? So I mean, if it was a bike, I guess it could be considered to be a vehicle, right? So there is a limit in the regulations themselves. Okay, so that's something we don't know at this point. Well, we know that there is a limit already in the code. So for instance, and any decision that is rendered by a hearing examiner in almost any case requires not only compliance with the decision in order if there are any conditions but compliance with the law obviously and so if this would be granted let's say and there is a violation of the regulations again then it would be your opportunity then to file another complaint. That's the procedure right. That procedure right. You know in our county and frankly in most counties throughout the nation zoning departments don't affirmatively go out and ride around looking for violations because we'd have to hire you know tons and tons of people the county would but the county would, but compliance is mostly complaint-based. Certainly if an inspector was riding around they'd see a blatant violation, they would probably look closer at it. But for the most part, it's complaint-based. My next question, Mr. Price, you said that there will be no employees that it will just, it will be you. So who will be driving these vehicles? How does that work? Who will be? I actually have a business partner. So is either me or my business partner, Jay Spade. So only the two of you will be driving. For the only two people that are insured to drive any of our vehicles. Okay, so if Mr. Spade, how do we assure, we would hope that you as a member of the neighborhood would drive it a reasonable speed if this gets approved and this business is established that you would drive appropriately, but what if how do you regulate other people driving these vehicles driving these bins onto the in the neighborhood. We do not exceed 15 miles an hour in this neighborhood in our vehicles. Not in our service vehicles, no way. We've been very cautious about this because of the complaints that were lodged against us and why we did these petitions. We are very careful about the amount of vehicles or the amount of traffic which is minimal compared to the regular traffic that comes and is on a daily basis. You're not going to see our trucks or vehicles like maybe one to two times a week. We're not that, I hate to say you, we're not that we don't have that much business yet. And as it grows, we're still, we're still going to comply with, we're not in a rush. We were very, we knew there's a lot of new families with a lot of children in this neighborhood brought around. God forbid anybody hits one of these children. You know, we're very cautious. I told my partner Joe, we do not exceed the speed limit. We don't come close to 25 miles an hour. 15 miles an hour max. And it's hard to do. Okay. You referred to trees. I'll go back to the map that you showed. You refer to trees between 896 and your property. And on the drawing, I see groups. There's a group of three teas, which I believe are representing trees. And another group of two. And then there's four. And then there's one. And then there's two. So this leads me to believe that it's a broken tree line. It's not a whole hedge of trees. Is that correct? That is true, but again, there's a house between the trees, it blocks of view, we're at elevated height. If you're concerned about 8, this view of our property as a piece of your view from iron rail support, I don't know what to say. Well, my point is for Mrs. Taylor here that you're given the impression that the trees create a, you know, almost forest-like effect around your property and that nothing can be seen practically from 896. So I just wanted to clarity on that since Miss Taylor's not there to realize that there are gaps in the trees that 896 and possibly even 895 at certain times of the year. Are they all pine trees or what is the type of tree that surrounds your property? Were these teas are represented on this plan? Well, I didn't plant these, but they're seeders and pines. And we plan to put pine trees down the middle of that strip to block the view from the coldest sack. We own that entire strip so we're going to line that whole strip with pine trees to block a view and uh what size more pine trees if what size pine trees are you talking about planning at this point? We have decided. We'll hear it out. May I ask you said down the strip. Can you explain what you mean by that? There's a strip between the two briaries between the two pipe stems. Between the two pipe stem bri drivers and we we actually end the majority of that strip. Okay. Yes. So we plan to kind of block the view with pine trees. So the trees will be between your driveway and the driveway for 896. Sure. Okay. And where? We're not sure, but it's really not necessary because right now our. That parking area is very well. We're debating doing that for the sake of anybody from looking from the cul-de-sac so they can't even see our house. Okay, I think I see what you mean. So I guess I could see that if you're on the cul-de-sac, then a strip of trees kind of along the driveway there would block you. Yeah, it would block the whole view. And we don't want to do that because we actually cut down the bunch of paratries that were planted by my neighbor at eight, nine, six, quite wild ago to prevent the previous owner from planting pyrretry, pine trees. Ms. Clark, would you just indicate for the record where your street is compared to what we see on these diagrams. When you come in off of Morgan Station Road, you're on Old Station Court. Okay. And approximately maybe a quarter mile, third of a mile, to the left is Iron Rail, which goes north, and Old Station Court continues on, which I believe would be wet, east. So it's sort of like a, this more like a, this more like a tenth of a mile. Okay, so you from your parcel, you can't see this. No, okay, okay. Not unless I drive or walk through down the court that understood. Okay. Yeah. Okay. It's not a place I pass every day in and out of my home. Okay. She would actually have to walk up our driveways to see the parking lot which I'm having, which I'm, you would have to base any trespass to see my parking area. Okay. I guess I was wondering too about,'s research referred several times to the trees between 896 and his property and on the map it just does not indicate that so I wanted to find out if if it was a continuation of trees or spotty as it looks on the map. And when you say the map are you was referring to the drawing? Yes, yes, that drawing. So, yeah, I mean, I'm looking at the technical staff report is online. And the technical staff report has an aerial view that appears to have been taken when trees were had leaves. And it looks like there are, it looks like there's a fairly thick hedge, as you called it, between 899 and 895 and between 895 and 896, there do appear to be several smaller clumps of trees. That's what I see on the aerial. Okay. Can I go on with my next question? Yes. Okay. So my next question is to probably you referred to that your property is a higher elevation. And do you know what the difference? There's no topography on this. Do you know what the difference in feet is? It makes you lead. It made it sound like you were 100 feet up like it's a mountain. And I thought it was all pretty level through there. When you're saying you're much higher, how much higher are you? Probably 10 feet from this to say the nine sixes parking lot who were our what levels out. So we have a bird's eye view of all the trash on eight nine sixes property. From your home or from where you're served from where we live we look down the hill or next to our property and we see commercial bread trucks boats. Chas, piles of piles of bricks, Cinder blocks, the browser wood, you name it this there. And it's all downhill from us about 10 feet in elevation to answer your question. Okay. So in the technical staff report, The DPC staff stated that the property rises from 460 feet in elevation at the northwestern corner of the property to approximately 508 feet at the southern end of the pipe stem. So the way I would read that would be that if you stood at the North Western corner of the property, you would essentially be walking uphill as you walked toward the pipe stem and to the end of the pipe stem. And it's the difference in elevation is about, well it's like about 48, 48 feet, which is, I guess not that significant. I would call it a slight elevation or an elevation, right? Okay. So I guess what I was going to say is that information is in the record. I'm trying to make sure that when we talk about these things that, you know, if there are responses that the information is in the record. Okay, one last question. You had, Mr. Price, you referred to the wording that you said for structures in your property. You said not for your business now. And again, I think we're all thinking about the future. And you keep saying it's a small business, but your wording is such that you're leaving a door open that you may grow your business. There's just a lot of your wording you seem to be choosing very carefully to lead the door open. And I guess we would like to hear on the record that as definitively as you can can say that this is going to stay a small business as you are describing today and in your documents. I kind of disagree with you're saving about. He's suggesting that. I was kind of misleading as far as the growth of our business. I'm hoping our business grows. However, we will not use anything beyond that. 44 by 35 parking lot for any part of our business. If our business should grow, hopefully, we move that we find somewhere else's store equipment on a property that we're either leasing or on. But right now we're small business. I'm happy we grew up. But we're never going to use more than that 35 by 44 a piece of lot. Property are parking area, parking area number two for anything other than our business quickly. There won't be, if we see that, I'll find a place to store the other equipment. But that's it. And the traffic again will be less than, I think we're allotted again, 12 back and forth visits. If we have it on a week, I mean, that's a per day. If we have it on a week, I'd be happy. Thank you for your questions. Ms. Taylor, I would just like to say on behalf of my family that we are opposed to this because of the possibility of having so much traffic. I understand so you can testify at a later point. So this is the opportunity to ask Mr. Price questions and then you can come testify and just kind of go through straight all straight throughout your concerns. Okay, okay. Thank you. Mr. Price, I do have a question for you following up. So the technical staff report on page five section, Technical staff report on page five section B, D, of oddly labeled states. The conditional use site plan, on the conditional use site plan, parking area number two is designated to be used for the home-based contractor use and is approximately 87 feet from the nearest property line. This location is not in compliance with this criterion. And then it says there are no structures being proposed or utilized for the proposed conditional use. I know that you submitted a revised plan. Does that revised plan correct the change the location from the original plan so that the conditional use area is at least 100 feet from the property line? I will extend that. I'm not sure my reply is pan has that, but I will keep that. And then and I'll move my. My proposed 35 by 44 area. A little bit ahead. Hmm, by 13 feet. Actually, I won't even, you know what? I won't even use that 13 feet. I'll, is going to reduce that, that usage, because I want to keep everything hidden by my garage and hidden from public view. So I'll take the 13 feet off of that 44 feet in not he's it's for my business And I'll find another if That doesn't scope a storm and equipment properly Would it somewhere else But I want it to be hidden by my garage. Understood. Thank you. OK, that clarifies that. Does anybody else have questions they would like to ask Mr. Price? OK. And if you'll state your name and spell your name for the record. My name is Joe Carroll chick, K-A-R-O-L-C-H-I-K. And your address. 890, the old station court. Okay. Mine's going to be easier than Ms. Clark. All right. You can go ahead and ask the question. The question is Peter, when did you actually start your business? Well, August 20, 23. We got incorporated. Okay. So that's when you started your business operations. And then I really, we had no business for, gosh, like maybe like May of 2024. Okay. Can you, can you give an estimate of how much, you have dumpsters that you're using? Can you give an estimate of how much they are in use versus sitting idle? They've been sitting idle for the microphone a little closer. Did you hear the question? No, I did. I heard. They've been sitting. Jay, they've been sitting unfortunately, even sitting there. It'll for quite a while. Okay. I thought we don't we don't have an internet presence yet or advertising. We're trying to figure that part out. Okay. Um, so I'm going to keep storing them where they are. Anyway, I really don't want these. That dumb trailer. I don't want to talk about my property. Okay. And Ms. Taylor, I have a question for you. I may or may not be able to answer it, but go ahead. How does the county distinguish between a home-based contractor and a landscape contractor? So that's it good question. And I can't answer that. So there are distinct requirements. And the way I'm going to say it in a layman's way is a home-based contractor really is somebody who has the business and they may park a couple of trucks at their house, right? As opposed to a landscape contractor. I mean, if you go out into the rural districts, there are a lot of, there are a number of landscape contracting businesses where they have a sign, they're allowed to have up to 20 employees, parking for 20 cars. A lot of space designated for storing of equipment. They can have indoor and outdoor spaces, etc. It's basically the magnitude of the business. And so what I was going to say is that hopefully we all want people to do well and they start businesses and hopefully if Mr. Price does get to the point where his business is growing, then his only alternative then would be to move, the operation somewhere else off site, because there are a lot of limits on this size lot in this district. Okay. The reason I asked the question, in the T-S-R, in the petition it refers to a home-based contractor. Correct. The sign that's posted at the end of Peter's driveway refers to landscape contractor. Okay. Interesting. So, I don't see that as a problem because a landscape contractor is a lot of the time to be able to do that. I think it's a lot of time to be able to do that. I think it's a lot of time to be able to do that. I think it's a lot of time to be able to do that. I think it's a lot of time to be able to do that. I think it's a lot of time to be able to do that. I think it's a lot of concerned if there was a landscape contractor. So the likelihood of somebody showing up is greater if the use advertised is more intensive. Since, so I don't think that's, it clearly was not correct, but I don't believe that's a fatal mistake to the petition. Sir, okay. So I'll save the rest for when I come back. For a test run. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else that have any questions? All right. And if you would state and spell your name, please. Thomas Morenchin, THOMAS and its M-A-R-E-N-C-H-I-N. I love it 865 the old station court. Oh, it's okay All right, you can ask your questions Peter. I know you're mechanically inclined So if if there's your vehicles, if there's repairs to be done, where are the repairs gonna take place? Well, of course, the dump truck because it's under warranty is gonna happen at a four dealership. Otherwise, I'm gonna jeopardize my warranty. I just had a little change done in the century forward. If I should violate that warranty, or take it to, let's just say, do it myself, or jiffy the, or not use an OEM part on my truck. What about that? What about your other equipment? The other equipment is brand new. Belly maintenance is needed. Charging of batteries and maybe grating of. A grise points other than that is we don't have lawn mowers. We don't have excavators, which was in a complaint. We don't have lawn mowers. We don't have excavators, which was in a complaint. We don't have, it's just me two guys and dump trailers. And you and two guys, and we don't. You and two guys? I thought you only had one business partner. Yeah, me and Joe spade. It's two guys. Said you and two guys. So that kind of implies three. The UK one or whatever. So I will note that the regulation state that minor repairs to vehicles or equipment shall be permitted provided such activities take place inside a building, bodywork, Engineering building, engineering conditioning, painting, and similar activities shall not be permitted provided such activities take place inside a building, body work, engineering building, engineering conditioning, painting and similar activities shall not be permitted. Yes, and so if he had any major work being that he has claimed that the detached garage is not part of the business, he would not be able to do any. Can't do major work at all, only minor repairs. Yes. So because he claims the detached garage is not part of the business. So he can't even use the detached garage as permitted to do it inside. If the detached garage is not used for the conditional use, then that's correct. Yes. So I just wanted that on the record that he cannot use the detached garage for major work on his equal. Can't do any major work on the site, right? As I've said, my head to attached garage is for personally use only. And I resent the fact that he says claims that I'm going to say this. Basically calling me a lawyer. Well, unfortunately, he's speaking like a lawyer. So, and I say that, you know, with pointed at me in my profession, you know, that's the way lawyers speak. And I don't know whether he's a lawyer or not, but in any event, I think. That's all I have. Yeah, okay, thank you. Anybody else have any questions? Okay. Yes. There are more attendees. Yes. The attendees who are online, there is a raise hand icon that you can click on if you have a question for Mr. Price. I also note that there are two additional people that weren't on before. So either Elliott Orin or Dana Defebaugh pardon me if I'm not pronouncing those names correctly. If either of you wish to either ask a question, if either of you wish to ask a question of Mr. Price, please let us know now. Or anybody else that is online. Okay so it looks like nobody online is raising their virtual hand and so we can... So we'll come back to the online folks, the new online folks, Elliot, Orrin, Dana, defaball, and Joe Rudder, if you're back listening and to find out whether you wish to testify at the conclusion of the petitioner's case. OK. So nobody else that has any questions for Mr. Price, and Mr. Price, I'm going to give you an opportunity to explain anything or add anything else that may have arisen as a result of the questions that were asked you. I think that it was a lot of dialogue back and forth and you may have already done that. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. Okay. So now we'll go to the opposition folks. This is your opportunity to provide testimony. So if you would like to provide testimony, just want to just raise your hand and we'll just go as we as I see. Okay, gentlemen, with the glasses. And Mr. Price, you can ask questions of these folks if you wish after they're finished testifying. Thank you. All right. If you will state your name and spell your name for the record please. My first name is Maybury, M-A-B-R-Y, last name, Pouncy P-O-U-N-C-Y. Okay. And I'd like to present this petition from the neighbors to you. Okay, so this is a petition that's signed by neighbors? Yes, by all the neighbors. Are all those people here? Not all of them, some of them are online, but not all of them are here. So generally, I'm going to have to look at the rules about the admission of petitions. 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And do you have any other testimony? Yes, I do. All right. And did I already swear you? No. Okay. Do you soundly promise to speak truthfully and testimony about together? I do. All right. Just have a couple statements I want to make to you. I'm with the first resident in Morgan station and First House 801 the old station court. And when we purchased this house, we all had to sign a declaration of coveted conditions and easements, which I have a copy of. And that's by a hemp hill on Associates, a Maryland partnership. And it was registered through Howard County in 1987. So I've lived there 35 years. And what the reason for this declaration was for was to enhance and protect the value, desirability, and attract enough of the properties in this development. I think I can speak for everyone except for Mr. Price that we're all against him having this business. What worries this is that if Mr. Price decides to move and you make an exception to let him run a commercial business from his property, that that will continue on to the next person that purchases that property from him. And now we've opened Pandora's Box. And we just don't think it's appropriate to have dumpsters and roll off dumpsters in our neighborhood of $1 million homes. It's just not the place for it. So conditional uses don't always necessarily transfer with the property. It really depends on the type of conditional use. See, I'm afraid that he'll say his grandfathered in. Well, I understand what you're saying. And I'll try to clarify that in a decision in order. Well, I could be wrong, but I don't believe Mr. Price's ever really stated what the business is that he's doing. In other words, we hear it's landscaping business one day and the next day it's roll-off business. What is it? How many of this is a question for me to you? What is your understanding of the business? Well, all I can say is what I've heard here today and what's in what's in the petition Which is you know been what is it? Well generally not supposed to answer questions as if I'm a witness, but I mean I can tell you that I mean want to make this easy for everybody at Park landscaping equipment in a 40 by 44 foot area. So to park landscaping equipment that's that's the proposed use right which he said he has offsite parking available to him. He just doesn't wish to use it. So in other words, the resident neighborhood has to contend with him riding up and down the road with these dumpsters. And who's going to clean the mess up if something spills out on the road? Do we have to call it a county? Because Mr. Price is not going to respond to us, I'm sure. In other words, I can't answer. Yeah, I know it's a hypothetical question, but what I'm saying is, like you said earlier, you said you couldn't have all these employees checking on people to make sure they follow the rules in regulation. The best way to prevent any infractions of the rules is for you not to approve this. And I'm finished. Understood. Okay. Thank you. You're right. I'm going to have to ask questions about Yes, yes. Actually, Mr. Pounsy, when you come back, Mr. Picewood, and let's keep this to the criteria of the petition, please. Sure. Okay. Mr. Poun Ponzi yes, sir How you doing? Good um The top of the streets so you'll be able to personally observe the traffic coming and going right From my business, so that's all I got to say this minimal You're exaggerating things I'm not not exaggerating. Yes, sir. I've people. The. Okay, let's not let's not argue back and forth. What's I was going to say. Let's take that outside, but no, we don't want to argue outside either. Don't don't want any arguing. No, so. Yeah, go ahead. Is that almost a price? Okay. I think that's all. I'm going with it. Thank you, Mr. Nancy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else who wishes to testify? Okay. You'll state and spell your name for the record. Yes. My name is John Carlo. in the last name is spelled C-A-R-L-O. And your address? I resided 848, the old station court would bind marijuana and 2797. And you soundly promised to speak truthfully in the testimony you're about to give. I do. Okay. You can go forward. Great. Thank you. I've lived on the old station court for 35 years now. I think we were the third house built in the community. And so we go back all the way to the inception of the community. And I think that may qualify me to make some statements about the general nature of the community. I would say that from the start of the community in 1989 till now, one could fairly characterize this community as a prototypical residential neighborhood. It is replete with lovely homes and on any given day, if you look out the window, you'll see kids playing in the street. You see kids on bikes. You see adults on bikes. You see adults jogging. You see adults walking. So it is a busy sort of a residential community, very much the best way I can use to describe it as prototypical. One of the most charming aspects of our community is that it is extremely quiet. And over the years, a number of times, visitors who have come to our home have remarked about how quiet it is. And whenever they say that, I stop and I think, and listen, what it is they're not hearing, that I'm also not hearing, but not recognizing. And I think what it is when you stop and listen, what you hear is the wind, you hear the sound of, maybe a train going by or an airplane in the sky or birds, but it is a super quiet neighborhood. And I think that's what it's a very interesting feature of the neighborhood. It makes a little bit different than a lot of other neighborhoods. There is not a lot of traffic community or traffic going back and forth, very quiet, lovely place. like concern with the establishment of a business like Mr. Price's in our neighborhood is that in my view, the use of the property and the fashion which he is proposing is disharmonious with the residential nature of the community, with a quiet suburban nature of our neighborhood. Now, Mr. Price has been very careful in his use of words, and I think he's characterized this as an application to store equipment on his property. Thinking about that a moment, I mean, this not, I don't believe he's proposing to run a museum. So this equipment has to be transported to the property and then off of that property. And on a business like this, it would probably be on a relatively frequent basis. That means there's going to be truck traffic. There's going to be noise from equipment, picking up those dumpsters, putting it on the rollbacks and the rollbacks being hitched up and taken off, brought back at the end of the day or whatever the frequency of that his business is going to drive. So this is not just about storage, it's about using the community to facilitate and to of a business activity which is inconsistent with the nature of our community. So the increased traffic, the sounds of the equipment loading the dumpsters onto the rollbacks, the trucks moving up and down the street, the potential noxious odors emanating from the refuse to their in those dumpsters that are being transported back and forth. All of them... on the street, the potential noxious odors emanating from the refuse in those dumpsters that are being transported back and forth, all of that is going to adversely affect the quiet, peaceful nature of our neighborhood. So I recognize, I think everyone here recognizes that this is a balancing act that people have the right to use their property in the fashion. They like, within certain limitations. And I think the limitations have to be that the benefit has to outweigh the detriment. Here, if you grant this petition, there will be one beneficiary, Mr. Price. And there will be 41 people who are adversely impacted by this application. So I would respectfully ask that you would deny the application because the balancing of the interest here would dictate that his interest in promoting his businesses outweighed by the impact, the detrimental impact it'll cause to all of our properties. Thank you. I don't have anything more. Mr. Price may have a very good question. Well, I just have to say there's a right across the river from this is a plant that crosses is a smolch and several of our neighborhood resident has complained to not only Howard County, but to Carroll County and to various things about the noise damage coming across from the mulch plants, the rock plants, all that business park across the river. There's also the very loud noises that come and light noise that comes from a Carol Jewel facility that's not very far from our neighborhood as well. We do not live in a very quiet neighborhood. There's all its noise and I'm not going to add one bit of noise to this neighborhood. Humes, come on. Again, our traffic up and down this property are minimum. And his, I can't address other his other concerns, but this is we live in a very loud neighborhood with a lot of traffic that probably even services his property and makes a lot of noise more on his grass. And other people in our neighborhood have lawn services. They make generate a lot of noise. Everybody moves along. I move along to scrumming noise. It's just living in the neighborhood. It makes there an industrial park across the river from our community There's so much I was eating here I 70 from our neighborhood And am I is that my fault that we can hear the highway from my neighborhood? And that's my statement Yeah, I would just simply say that Mr. Price has made a lot of statements here tonight about what his future intentions are and how he proposes to use the property and I would suggest that all of those statements are absolutely irrelevant because once he gets that permit or gets the ability to use the property, there is gonna be no limitation on what he's doing other than what the absolute maximum parameters are in the law. Any other intentions about only using a truck once or twice a week, or the dumpsters not going anywhere, all those statements are, I mean mean they're really hogwash if you think about it. Well, I can certainly put limitations, even that are stricter than what the regulations require. So Mr. Price, what type of products will be carried placed in these roll-off bins? Is it landscaping material? It can be landscaping material. It could be also construction waste. So, okay okay so does that mean that? I'm sorry. So is your business going to be more like a or like a for lack of a better term junk removal business? I mean I, I know it's not like, but like, right now, debris removal. Right now we've, right now we've only done, I'd have to say trash removal for instruction jobs. Okay, and then, so that's what you were talking about when you said that if if you or your business partner go and pick up debris trash, whatever it is from let's say a construction site, you won't bring that truck to your home-based site before you empty the contents out. Is that correct? Correct. Because we will not do that. and after these proceedings, we'll definitely adhere to that policy. So okay. So the petition states that it's a landscaping equipment. but the equipment goes beyond landscaping equipment, correct? We, yeah, that is correct, but we initially are set up our business here. You're in a restoration business. Okay, not not really landscaping like we're not gonna do fancy walls and things like that We're just gonna clean up people's yards. Therefore we bought dumpsters and bins for that purpose Okay, okay, that makes more sense then. So the debris in the bins or in the bins or in the roll-offs is that is the debris somehow secured by a Tarte covering or in bags, I think at one point. How is, I mean, my guess is that there are Department of Transportation regulations regarding in a transporting facility. But how? Absolutely So what will be actually going up? What will the vehicles have in the bin, in the roll-off part, the bin that rolls off of the truck as they're going up and down the old station court? As they go up and down the old station court, they will be empty. Okay, so the so the they will have already been and they will be empty. Okay, so let's just unless it's my own personal trash that I just put in there. And I've used my, my dumb trailer and... I am personal trash that I just put in there. And I've used my dump trailer and dump truck for my own personal yard work, basically. But that won't be every day by any means. And yeah. That right, okay. Yeah. Right, there's a lot. And about, so how many times a day would you estimate the trucks would be leaving your property and coming back. Like how many trips? So leaving the property and coming back is one trip. Recently, I've been using my dumb truck as a service to deliver mulch and So, I things like that. So that's been like maybe on an average once a week. We have not been renting our dump trailer or or roll off bins as we haven't really establish our business. So that's kind of like that has been ordered mouth of who's done anything with it. Essentially they've been sitting idle. Okay, so there's the document. I'll go ahead. I'm sorry. I anticipate less than three trips back and forth between any kind of equipment related to my business a week, I think we're possibly allowed to have 12 trips a day on an over three-haker RC lot. So we're far behind that and it won't be noticeable. There's so much going a day between seven o'clock. And I think 5 p.m. There's too much commercial equipment parking on the whole station court, doing various chores for people in the neighborhood that you wouldn't even notice are traffic. Just bear with me one minute here. So, okay. So, you've got the dump truck, right? And then you've got a dump trailer and then a roll-off dump trailer and two roll-off bins. Right? So I know what a dump truck is. What is a dump trailer? Is that pulled behind the dump truck? Or what is it pulled behind? Well, actually, it's not a landscape in truck. It's not a big giant truck. It's a landscape, but it has a dump in ability. It's not gigantic. It's basically like a big Ford F250 350. Okay. But here it says, it's a one-ton truck. You're in the technical staff report, it says you're proposing a dump truck and a dump trailer are those two different things? Yes they are. Okay. And so we have a case of you have a dump truck or a landscaping truck that has dumping capabilities. Okay. Excuse me. A dump trailer, which is probably about 20 feet long. And then next to that, we would have the dump trailer which does the roll off bin thing. And that's about it. So what's the difference between a dump trailer and a roll off dump trailer? Are there two different things? These roll off dump trailers is kind of a new thing. Okay. Now there's big roll off trucks come on and they have these big giant dumps, or bins on them and they dump them or put them on to a location. This has actually a bin that's on a trailer that can be trailed by a pickup truck. OK, that's my question. And so what vehicle is going to pull the dump trailer and the roll off dump trailer? My landscaping truck and my partner has a F250 diesel truck that he can. Pack that thing around with. So we're all under the department of transportation limit for 26,000 pounds. Okay. So, and then the two roll-off bins, or do they go along with that roll-off dump? Yes, they're compatible. Yeah, they're compatible. They're made for that trailer. Okay. So, so the idea is that you take one of these bins to a site and they fill it up, right? And then you, and then after a day or two days or three days or whatever, then you or your partner go back to that site, take the bin, empty the bin and then bring the bin back to your location. Is that kind of how that would go? I mean, the idea isn't to load these bins up and store full bins on your property. No way. Okay. We, we, we, we added dump them. And if we can dump them at the right appropriate time because we're also restricted to our county won't let you dump anything into their facility unless it came from our county. So we have restrictions on where we can do that. So we will store this if it's a full bin and we can dump it in the required amount of time to get it to the dump. We'll take it to the appropriate place and what the bin will not be on our property. There will never be a blooded bin on my property unless I just lit it up from my own yard work. Which I've been doing a lot be. Okay. Okay, thank you. So I'm I just had one thought of based on what Mr. Price said about if he can't take the bin to the dump in time that he will take it to the appropriate place. I think is the wording he used. I'm curious, what is the appropriate place? Where are my bins are currently being stored at a French property? I don't want anything more. Thank you. OK, thank you. But it won't be in the neighborhood. OK, is there anyone else who would like to testify? Okay. And feel state and spell your name for the record. Again. Joe Carroll chick. It's K-A-R-O-L-C-H-I-K. What was your first time again? Joe. Okay. and you some may promise to speak truthfully in the testimony about to go. I do. Why? Can I submit a couple things to you because I actually have a couple photographs that might add some clarity to it? Sure. Yes. Okay. So, this is a photograph of the cul-de-sac with all of the driveways that enter into the cul-de-sac. Okay. And so Mr. Price's driveway is the one that's in the middle. Okay. So one of the things that I am concerned about. Now do you have just one copy of those? Yeah, I'll submit it to you and it's yours to keep. Well, we'll go ahead and mark that as an exhibit. Do you have other photographs? Yeah, I have a couple more. Why don't we just go ahead and mark them all? OK. And then when you're referring to them, you can refer to them by exhibit number. OK. So you'll bring those to Ms. Berg. It shall mark them. Okay. Sorry. Are they all photographs? Those are photographs. I have a couple more things if you want to. So what we can do is mark the photographs as opposition to, I think that would be, and it will be, you know, pages one, two. We'll just go. Yeah. And then just in general, do you want to kind of proper what the other documents are? Sure. So this is what's advertised on the alpha-ridged page for the JNP property service. So it describes what? JNJ, you mean? JNP is Mr. Price's. OK. OK. Yes. So and it describes his business with the link to his website that also advertises what business he's conducting. Okay so let we can we can do you have any other ones? Yeah two more. So this is this is from the planning and zoning website. It's the it's the interactive map that shows the property boundaries. One thing that's missing from the TSR and also from the site plan is the tributary that empties into the Patatsco. They're behind where parking areas, P1 and P2 are. There's not any not any additional drainage or, I mean, there's some vegetation, but there's not any stormwater runoff, and I'm concerned about runoff going into the Patapsco. Okay. Yeah, let's just go ahead and mark all the documents, and it's easier when I'm going back through. Typically, I go back through, listen to the test, and I like to kind of have the documents kind of in hand. And then as you go through, you can explain the documents and then refer to them by exhibit number then of course explain what they are. Okay. And I had one more. Okay. And Mr. Price again. So yeah, Ms. Burke will make copies of all these and send them to you. That's fine. Do you need these back? I do not know. To give your testimony. I'm trying to. I think so. Yeah, you can get it back. Sorry. I'm sorry, what was that? OK. I said like the prior testimony, I can say this hall gouache. Well, OK. We don't need to. So say that. You can disregard that one. The last thing that I have is what was sent to me after the presubmission meeting. And there's a statement in here that says, this whole mess is about two neighbors that don't like each other. And I guess my concern is that that's the reason why we're here is that there's a. Yeah,'m not going to get into who likes who I simply Stating that that was sent to me and the rest of the people who attended the pre submission meeting. Okay. Yeah, I mean Yeah, I think that's irrelevant. Okay, so we'll keep that out Exhibit to a okay is a picture of the cul-de-sac with the driveways that's all empty onto the cul-de-sac. And Mr. Price's driveway is the one that's in the middle. Okay. On here I indicated that it's also the business entrance. So that's what he would be using if he was if he had equipment going in and out of his property. I do have a concern that right next to that at 895 there's also a school bus stop. So exhibit 2B is a photograph from my vegetable garden looking at Mr. Price's property. So, and one thing that I will note is that the the dump truck is parked in P1 Okay So exhibit 2c is it's a picture of I'm not sure if it's the roll off dumpster or the dump trailer. Okay. So, just, since we were having a discussion about it, that should add some clarity. This is an actual picture of... It's Mr. Prices. Mr. Prices. Yeah. Okay. So, also parked in P1 This one already described it's the the alpha Ridge website with the advertised services That was exhibithibit 3. Okay. And Exhibit 4 is the site map showing the tributary running behind the property. All right. Okay. That was, that was my testimony. Okay. So I have a couple of questions for you. And Mr. Price, if you have questions of Mr. Kalechik, you can ask also. Actually, do you have any questions for us from Mr. Price? You can give us. OK. So the school bus stop, you said that's right next door at 8.95? Yes. OK. is that for all three grades or for what? Like what? How many buses? Two buses in the morning. Two buses in the afternoon. Okay. 715. I knew the exact times they actually come because I have a, I work full time as a consultant as well. And I used to, during the COVID, I used to see the exact times that everybody comes and goes. And they're very cognizant of the children, this neighborhood, the bus stops, the coming due times, and we are very cheerful. Much more than our neighbors, as far as driving up and down the street, especially with the influx of new, young families with children. Okay, and you said to be was from your garden? Yes. Obviously on your property. Yes. Okay. So, and the trees shown across here are actually on my property. OK. OK. OK. I guess I do have one more thing. I agree with the characterization that Mr. Carlo was giving of people out active in the neighborhood. One thing that I would add to that is that there are no sidewalks in the neighborhood. So if people are out walking or kids are riding bikes, they're in the street. Okay. All right, that was it. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else who wishes to testify? All right. Hi, I'm Scott Swetz. Last name is SWETZ. Scott with two T's Yes. Your address? 896, the old station court. And do you sell when we promise to speak to the intestimate about to get? Yes. All right. Good forward. I also have some exhibits. Okay. Actually just a packet. Okay. They're labeled so. I have two copies, but if I can use one for the presentation. Yes. I guess, first of all, I just want to say I live adjacent to $8.99. And I'm opposed to approval of this petition to allow this business to happen. OK, so for the record I'm sorry that's your package of photos is opposition 5. Opposition 5, yeah. Thank you. Okay. I guess there's a couple things as a couple of, you know, some inconsistencies we can chat about quickly. At the presubmission meeting, Mr. Price explained to us that he would, in some situations, be bringing refugees home. So maybe that's something that's changed recently, but this is one of the inconsistencies I think that Mr. Carlett was bringing up. It's, this is one of the things that I think is a neighborhood we're concerned about. In addition, as far as the petition is concerned and the narrative, there are some inconsistencies there too. My property shares a 939 foot long boundary. If you look at the diagram, you'll see how long it is. The narrative states that the farm boundary represents 50% of the perimeter. But in reality, it's only 29% of the entire perimeter because of the pipe stem. And we share between 895 and 896, we account for 71% of that perimeter. Now again, some of its pipe stem and we can talk about that. Also, there's a discussion about seclusion. I realized that there is some seclusion from the court in other homes. But there are a few trees along the property boundary. You can see them in the diagram. I don't know when they're in the figure in the report. I don't know when that figure was photographed, but the majority of those trees along the boundary with 896 are pruned 8 to 10 feet from the ground. So the ground level to 8 to 10 feet is pruned. So you can see things underneath those trees. Other trees that aren't pruned, things like crate murals and things like that have foliage on the top but the bottom is empty for the same 8 to 10 feet. So from a visibility standpoint those trees don't do anything. I have, I think it's two large hemlocks and one small hemlock in the rear yard that aren't pruned. So that's just something to consider. And what I will say is I looked at the diagrams, I walked the property, and the business parking area is visible from both the front and the rear of my home. I know it's directly across from my garage, it's not visible. But from what I asked to make, I can view the parking area along 450 feet of that 939 foot boundary. So I'm almost 50% at that point. So I'm not saying all of it, there are some areas that are blocked and some areas I can't see it from, but there are areas I can see it from. I'm sorry, you said how many feet? I'm guessing 400. I'm estimating 450 feet. And that would be between visibility in the front of the property along the property law and in the rear of the property along the property line. So it's not contiguous. Okay. I guess another thing too I wanted to bring up too is there's there right now there's there is a lot of equipment parked on the property and it's some of it is the equipment that Mr. Price wants to have as part of his business. The landscape dump truck and the dump trailer. There's also personal equipment that's out, soared outside, not stored in the building that's for personal use. There's an equipment trailer, which is in trailer that's used to haul the backo that he owns. Now the backo is in the garage and I'm not saying anything about the backo. I'm just saying there's a trailer that sits outside to haul haul that around. There's also a large utility trailer, a four-wheeler, a concrete mixer, a small concrete mixer, a bass boat, and then some backo tools like a grapple and a pallet fork that are all sitting outside. Just indicate that we're adding to that list of equipment. And from my perspective, when we add this other equipment, the lot is going to start to look like a contract we are that I would find in a more industrial park, for instance, not on three acres in a residential neighborhood. I am concerned about the, you know, the traffic, the increased traffic into neighborhood and over surprises stated, you know, limited number of trips and the like. But the stopping distance of the truck, especially a truck that's loaded, is a pretty long distance. Things that I have seen online indicate that just the truck may take with reaction time and breaking time could take as much as 90 feet to stop. And we have in our neighborhood, we have two limited site distance hills, one outside of Tom Marengens' house, which is what, What did he say? 8.35 or 8.45, I forget. And the other one is, I'll slide it here. And you go on one second. I'm not seeing it. Okay, so one near the top of the hill, and there 8.35. And the other at the crest of the hill and they're 865. The old station code. So there's limited site distance because of the, because one has a, is a crest of a hill with a slight turn towards it, with some pine trees on the one side. The other one is actually the top of a hill. And if you're coming along, if you're coming from, from Morgan Station Road, station road you can't see what's below you on the hill if you're coming along, if you're coming from from Morgan station road, you can't see what's below you on the hill. If you're coming from Mr. Price's in my property, you can't see what's above you on the flat at the top of the hill. So there's limited site distance there. So I think that needs to be factored in. I know we mentioned the school bus stop. I want to say there's two school bus stops on the old station court that this traffic will pass. The one is in the court, as Joe Carroll check had mentioned. And the second one is at the intersection of Iron Rail Court and the old station court on the old station court. So there's a second bus stop there that this traffic would have to pass when those buses come. From a my perspective, where I stood adjacent to the property, the driveways between 8.96 and 8.99 are parallel for about 400 feet. My driveways 600 feet long, I'm sure Mr. Price is as longer than mine. But for 400 of those feet, they're parallel. And currently there's no screening. Now I know he had indicated that there's potential for this to, for trees to be planted and things like that. What I will say though is is that I would think that would be something that would you know according to the county regulations is something that if we were going to do it we do it now. We do it before we before we start to do so we look at the regs because the regs say that things have to be screened. So I just wanted to bring that up. In addition, the dryways for 899 and 895 run parallel for approximately 300 feet. Now there are some trees and there's a short bit of fence that screens the driveway, about 50 feet of fence. Now the fence is longer than that but I'm just speaking about the driveways. But again, you've got trees that are owned by 895. And when we have bad weather and those trees have to come down, then this gets approved, then it's their responsibility to plant new trees to screen that driveway. So I think the screening should be on the onus of the property owners who's proposing the business, not on the property owners who are adjacent to the business. Okay. So one of the things I did want to show is in, and I'm sorry I didn't label these pages with page numbers, I was going to hurry to get this done. The first page of opposition five is a photograph of the parking area from my driveway, coming down my driveway. Not too far from my house. It's not straight at my garage or anything like that, obviously. But that's my view of parking area two. That's parking area two. That's parking area two. Okay. And the second one is also a picture of parking area two. Equipments just switched around. It's in a different position. That's parking area two. So were these photographs taken with the zoom lens? I don't know. They may have been zoomed in. Taking with an iPhone or an iPhone. Yeah. You've got to scroll in to get closer. This first one is from the driveway. And you can actually see the plantings near the edge of the driveway at the bottom of it. From your driveway. Yes, from my driveway. Yes. Yes. And the second one is zoomed in. Is zoomed in just a picture was zoomed. Okay. So the first one gives you a perspective. This, the third page is a picture of P2 parking area from the property line at the rear of my law. But on my shed and so that's just a picture of it. So I just wanted to submit that. Okay. Okay, and I think one of the things that you can see here is is there is no, in these particular photos, there may be screening from my garage, but in these particular photos, these parking areas are not screened. And I think that's what the code calls for. So you can see there's no screening. On the third picture. Yes. There appears to be, well, I can see the truck next to the garage. And then kind of closer in the foreground to the right of the image is looks like some metal and that's Mr. Price's garden that's not that's a garden yeah that's a garden that's a raised vague garden that's not really an issue a race okay yeah it's a vegetable garden I mean we have those I have one okay okay okay now the other thing I would say about this too is you see this in picture three you can see the size of the building and while Mr. Price says there's no noise or anything like that. One of the things I will say is what does happen is with the metal building, the sound from the equipment operating, and the backup signals on the equipment, actually it actually echoes. And it actually sends that sound to my property more readily than as if it was coming straight through, well I can say more readily, wouldn't you call it really, but pushes it towards my property as well. It's not blocked by the house necessarily because it's echoing off of the building. Okay. Just looking through my door to a separate place. We've been, but I am opposed to his insistence on operating it out of our residential neighborhood, where the risks to everyone are increased. In my opinion, this refuse business equipment yard should be located in a more industrial area where the impacts to public safety and property values are much less. You know, we're here because the business owner began operating the business in violation of county regulations. And when his neighbors filed a complaint, he was very agitated that we had done so and did not acknowledge that he had violated the ordinances. So, you know, I mean, there's nothing more to say about that, I guess. Just, it's interesting. The equipment currently stored outside on the property makes it look like a construction storage yard. And this is before adding even more equipment. And I agree with Mr. Carlo and Mr. Carroll chick that if this gets approved, Mr. Price can do other things. And we as a community have the unenviable position of having to monitor and complain about this. And I've, I've, I have personally taken the vitriol of Mr. Price over this complaint, even though I was not the only person to submit this complaint, but I am the one that's putting the front of it. Right. So finally, approval of this petition sets precedents that impact the neighbourhood. Refuse, well, Mr. Price says he's not hauling refuse, but we've heard different things. I just say that if we're moving this equipment back and forth throughout the neighborhood, it's going to affect property values. People are going to, if I go to sell my house, people are going to come in and they're going to question what's going on next door. And I have one of my neighbors is a real estate agent. I spoke with him and he couldn't be here today because of medical emergency. But he explained to me that there's a perception issue when it comes to selling a house. And that does cause problems with property values. It will affect my property value and then it will affect directly and then it will affect property values in neighborhood through comfortable sale value. So I just wanted to state that for the record. And finally, again, you mentioned this earlier, but if this word of you approved without conditions, then there's the potential for this conditional used to be passed along to the next owner. And it's, I got to admit, Mr. Price has done a great job of setting up a situation that if somebody had a small business they would love to buy his property because it's established for that. It's got a building. It would have a conditional use. And again, we're back, we've again of having to complain and then deal with this, you know, a month-long process to go through and drag all these folks here to hearings like this. So that's all I have to say. Okay, I have just one or two questions about. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I have one other thing. I guess there are other figures in here. There are other what? Other photographs in this packet. And I'll describe that. Those photographs are just photographs I've taken where we've been in this process since last, I want to say September timeframe is probably when this all, actually even before that, when this all kind of transpired. And I have several photographs here. I probably have more of these, but these are photographs similar to what Mr. Kielchick posted of where Mr. Price has parked a vehicle or equipment either, either out, either in P1, or you can see in page 5, I think it is, on the 13th of March, just a few weeks ago where it's parked right up against my property line near my driveway. Okay, so that's what I wanted to ask you about. If you look at the fourth page, it's called alternative equipment parking. Yep. 15 March, 25. That's looking at the structure from your yard. Yes, from my driveway, which is my yard. From your driveway. And so the truck is actually on the P1 side. P1. Yeah, P2 would be on the right side. Okay, so the left is P1, the right is P2. Yeah, okay. So this gives you context related to the diagram you were talking about earlier. Right, and then likewise for the 14 March 25, the next one, same thing, the left is P1 and the right is P2. Yes. Okay. And then for the next one, 13 March 25, is your driveway the one to the right? I mean, the one that's kind of on the right. My driveway is the one on the right. Yes. Okay. And then you can see a little bit of the price driveway on the left, right? Correct. This is where the driveway is kind of split. So was that truck parked there? I mean, I know my neighbor just pulled a big truck into his yard yesterday to, you know, to unload like 40 bags of mulch, and it was there 30 minutes. I mean, was this there like, has this regularly been parked there? Was that just temporary? No, it's not. It's not typically parked there. OK. But I will explain some of the details. Without getting in too much here, I was in the back of my yard working in my garden behind my house. My wife was having some of her friends over to play bunco. I took my cars and I parked them in my yard so that the ladies could get out of their cars and wouldn't have to traverse the long driveway to get down there. And I parked them pretty much across from where Mr. Price is parked on the right side of my driveway in this photo. And I was in my garden. I did this about five minutes after six or so that evening. About 615, he came home. I don't know what was going on. I look up, I see his car parked where this truck is. I'm like, OK, well, whatever. And then the next thing I know, I hear him clicking the his key fob for the truck and the horn's going off. And he clicks it maybe a dozen times, and I guess he was trying to get my attention because I look up and then he starts screaming at Senates at me as he's walking towards his house. And I'm in my garden. I'm probably 40 to 50 yards away from him in my back garden. And this escalated into a shouting match on the side yard. And I don't even know what it was about to tell you the truth other than he had explained to me at one point in the conversation that I was trying to piss him off by having a party. And I'll just explain. I'm just going to be very, very frank. This is bad enough. This is bad enough. This is bad enough. I don't need a business owner who's also in the, has equipment and has the capacity to do the same kind of things when I'm doing other things. When I have people coming to my house, I just don't need it. I just don't need it. Okay. Maybe that's irrelevant, but I just wanted to state that. I'm pretty good at sipping through those things in my mind. So okay, so I don't have any more questions. Mr. Price, do you have any questions? I was going to tell the truth. Oh, okay, wait. I don't, I mean, if you have facts that you can state that robot what he said, then feel free. Well, again, our traffic is minimal. We're very safely driving through the neighborhood. We're very observant of the amount of traffic, the amount of equipment. We will adhere to that. Whatever the county says we have to do. We have no choice. And as you can understand, we don't have a choice because we have a watchdog right next to our house. So we're not going to mess around. So I have a question of you kind of based upon what Mr. Sweats testified to. Is there a backhoe stored in the garage? I am a front end later backhoe that I use for my personal use. And actually he's used it for over 60 hours. Okay and So you're getting along. Okay, so so those so the backhoe and the front-end load or those are two different pieces of equipment News it's a John dear. Okay. It's for okay. I use it for my personal use. Okay, so it's not used for your business. No, okay. No way. Okay. Nothing inside that garage is for I'm glad you caught that. I didn't catch it. But no, it's for personally use. Okay. Okay. It's not it's not it's not really commercial. It's not that big. Okay. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else who just testified? Okay. One more person. I you'll state your name and spell it for the record please. Herbard Aston, HERB, ERT, Aston, ASTLN, other 818, the old station court would by Maryland. What was that address again? 818, the old station court. The old station, okay. And do you solemnly promise to speak truthfully and testimony about the gift? Yes. Okay, you can go forward. I basically have two concerns. Mr. Price, stay here. I'm probably gonna go up and down down the street a couple times a week. He also stayed his business is just getting off the ground. So he does hope that it does get bigger, which would increase traffic. He also states that most of his trailers and his dump truck are construction sites. And a lot of times those construction sites are they can be rather muddy and a lot of rocks and stuff. And those trailers and trucks, they drag that dirt back out with them. And that would be coming down our street. So I'm also concerned about that as well as more traffic. And my other concern is the precedence that he would set by having this business as property. Like Mr. Swetz was saying, it will affect his property. And when they look at all the rest of our properties, they do assessments on other's in the neighborhood. So it would drag that property value down. And that's those are my concerns. Okay. Mr. Price, do you have any questions? Well, I appreciate his concerns. Again, our traffic is going to be minimal. If it does a grid, which I hope it does, we probably take our business and equipment to some other location, but right now, we're just a body and business. As far as the second concern, I don't know what to say about that. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Aston. Anybody else? Yes. I want to say your honor, but I don't know if that's your message. No, you don't have to. So I've been given an email from our realtor that lives in our neighborhood. He had a medical emergency that was mentioned earlier. Is it proper? Can I read this? I've got copies. I could give them to be submitted. I don't know what the protocol is here. I mean generally, generally we wouldn't accept an email from another party. It's on his part. Do you want it just for your reference? I mean, I don't know. It's basically talking about from Realtor standpoint. I understand. Okay. I have to say this to the Stomach because it's all pretty much here, say, in the court of law. If they don't provide the, yeah, so generally, generally here, right. So generally, this would almost be considered like an expert report or something on those lines and it wouldn't be a medical emergency. And it's not a, I understand, but you know, it's not appropriate to get that in with an email. So I'm going to deny that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay station court. And I just like some clarity on a couple of things that I've heard. I was at the first meeting and they were talking about a 2200 square foot building being built on this property. And Mr. Price stated that he intended to use that to restore vintage vehicles. I haven't heard that mention today. Number one, I've heard a lot about a piece of property that's back on a flag lot where nobody can see it. We have more than one property on flag lots that nobody can see or some that they can see. We moved into this neighborhood because it was a family oriented neighborhood. Actually, it was an old farm that was being developed. We got used to smell on the cow poop in the spring because that's what they do. We got used to lawn mowers being brought in for some of the old folks that could no longer cut the grass, but, or maybe they didn't want to, whatever. Now Mr. Price says that, and he could clarify this possibly for me and some others. This is a landscape company. What's the difference between a landscape company and a little fellow coming in, hauling a lawn mower that's only going to be there probably 45 minutes and he's gone. So I'm just wondering, if I don't have to put up with the lawn mower's more than 45 minutes. Why do I have to take the responsibility for him coming over to your light, cleaning it off, whoops, the dump closed. Now what's he going to do with that dumpster full of stuff from your house, bring it over to my neighborhood? That's my question. One of them. The other one is he mentioned the noise coming across the river from Carroll County. When we moved there, it could have been CSX, I'm not sure, but back in my day it was B&O and it's food smoke, but it's a delight to sit there even in the winter time when there's no leaves on the trees and see that little light coming down through there and that and we all know if we leave our development and we go up to the post office we might have to sit there and wait 10 minutes because that train's coming through. And that's the neighborhood. The neighborhood is generated now where we have four to five families moved in with more than one kid. And these little kids are the future. And it's a delight to sit out there and hear the squeals and the delights as they play in the creek that runs through that's going to go past his property with the runoff at some time or the other with these dumpters coming in and the vehicles that have to be service back there that's going to run in up the creek. So it doesn't matter. It does matter. That's why I'm bringing it up. This stuff's going to run off into the Chesapeake Bay and that's another whole problem. But whatever happened to that building that was going to be a service to these vintage vehicles. That's one of the questions. Can he answer that? Well, this is your opportunity to give testimony, not necessarily to ask him questions. Oh. We've already kind of gone by. Okay. Point. I mean, I will allow Mr. Price to answer the question about the vintage vehicles if you wish to. I don't know what to say about that testimony. Well, so if you don't want to answer it, you don't have to. Pass. Okay. Pass. Okay. Anything else? All right. Anybody else which to testify? Okay, let's go to the folks online. We won't forget. Oh, Mr. Rutgers got his hand up. Hmm. Good. Mr. Rutgers, you're going to turn on your video. video. Mr. Rudder, we can't see or hear you. Looks like. Well, maybe that was an accident. Okay, let's see. Bob Terry said he was observing Devon Kitchelt. Said he was observing Lori Lux stated that she wished to testify. Let's go to her. OK, can you hear me? Yes, we can. OK, great. I'll be quick. Thank you for hearing us. I appreciate it. So I think- If you'll please, well, sorry, your name is- I can say my name. Yeah, LA. Sorry, LA. R-I-E. And the last name is luck, L-U-C-K. And- And my address. Yeah, your address. A-3-0, the old station court. And that's in woodbine. And do you solemnly promise to speak truthfully in testimony about it here? You're about to go. I do. And you said it's eight 30? Yes, 830, you got it. I agree, zero, okay. Yep. Okay. Okay, so I think back at the very first meeting we had where Mr. Price answered all of our questions. I believe he stated that the original petition was for a landscape business, which in my mind, significantly different than a refuse business. He said that the roll-up dumpsters were more profitable and had sort of moved away from the landscaping part of that. So that changes sort of the nature of the business and the traffic is a little different because now we'll have sort of these refuse roll-offs instead of the landscape equipment. So I think that's significantly different in at least in my mind or what I was expecting. The rolloffs, that's different than, you know, saying some mulch and some rakes and some tractors. My other, I guess it's a question or a concern is, you know, we talk about line of sight or the view and that sort of thing and the view of the trailers and all that stuff is dependent on the trees. Now trees are temporary, of course, because they, you know, who knows what if someone else moves in and or what if all the trees die? Is that a condition that would be in, that the person would have to maintain whether it's Mr. Price or whoever buys the property next? And then, you know, as I stated earlier, this really is, your job is to sort of balance between the needs of a small business and then the needs of the neighborhood. And so I think what we're doing here is just helping to let you understand sort of what the needs of the neighborhood would be and balance those against, you know, what one person in the neighborhood would want. And then my last issue is that we talk about, we can't predict the future as far as how big this business will grow. So I think it's just reasonable to expect that this business would grow quite a bit. I mean, that's what everybody would like, is that the business becomes profitable. And so while there may not be traffic and may not be equipment moving in and out now, I mean, the hope would be, I think, from any small business owner, is that you do become successful and you do have a lot more activity. And so I just want to sort of balance that out too, or it might not be a lot now, but it could be, you know, if all goes well, it could be a very viable business and I think we have to think about that as well. And that's it. I'm done. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Mr. Price, do you have any questions for Ms. Luck? Well, I think these are really valid concerns and a hithy-yar business does grow. Again, traffic is going to be minimal. As our business grid is we'll try to keep it out of the neighborhood and not being disruptive to bus stop schedules, kids run around. Just our intention is not to disrupt the, the primary of this beautiful neighborhood. We love living here too. And we have a beautiful piece of property. We try to maintain as well as possible. There's been claims that we've keep construction materials in our property. Well, anything that we keep on our property is for our personal use. It's not for some other project we have going on. I have no projects. We just started this business and we don't know what we're doing. And we're not sure for, like you said, a dumpster business, landscape and business, we're trying to figure it out. And, um, God bless you all. Thank you for attending this meeting. And this all I got to say. Okay. Let's see. There's a person that we haven't asked about yet. Dana Delbaugh. I'll pronounce that correctly. Or I'm sorry, Defa Ball. Hi, yeah. Hi, yeah. I'm Dana Defa Ball. Now I'm here observing and just want to thank everyone that has shown up and given their opinions and that's all I hadana or Luliana. There's somebody named Luliana. Hi, yes. I am just here observing this well. Okay. Is it? Okay, so I think we've gone through the list of the folks who are online. We're getting in that line. We've gone through and again, there's no one else in the audience who wishes to testify. All right, so with that, Mr. Price, if you'd like, you welcome to make closing statements. It sounds like you did something very similar just a few minutes ago. But you're you can you'll have that opportunity. Yes, you're correct. I thought that was a closing statement. And we'll take it back. Yeah. Yeah. And thank you for your time. Yes. And everybody else. Okay. So with that, we will we will close the record. And just in a minute, you know, in the recording. But I'll let you know. So I will be issuing a written decision in order within 30 days. And the people who signed up will all get a copy. OK. Should we read email as a digital. Right. We'll get a copy. It will also be listed. Make sure your email is eligible if you signed in. And it will also be posted on the website when it is rendered. So I don't even know this as a picture. Can I get both the position and the people that signed in today sent to my email? You want a copy of the sign-in sheet? As well as the petition. Yes. Yes. You'll get a copy of all of the exhibits that were entered, correct? Thank you. And then? Yeah, I just, I find it going hard to get the project docs a website and get information for them. Well, this won't be and this won't be in project docs anyway. I don't think right? All right. Okay. Okay. So with that, we'll end the recording and the hearing. Thank you. Thank you.