the call the order the KCDC meeting April 15th, 2025 at 6 p.m. We have a quorum. I have number two pledges. We're going to do pledges this time, guys. Stand to the sides over here. You're gonna have that way? Oh. The federal agents to the fire and I think they're just going to have a way to sense one animation. You're getting a little liberty and you're going to say one state. One state. All right, number three is the moment of silence. All right, thank you. Number four is invitation to address the board, but I'll have anybody. Let's, the new guy just walked in once addressed the board. Nope. All right. Number five, proclamations, awards, community spotlight. We don't have any. Number six, board member comments. Brutus. Just early vote and start next week for the two council positions at large. And just where everybody's aware of the six-street project that table to July by City Council. So, oh yeah. Sean? Just thought if any, I'd love to go visit. I'd love to go visit any businesses that I haven't visited in the past. I know there's a lot of places I haven't been to. I'd love to do some focuses on them and take some pictures and get their name out on our Facebook page and that kind of thing. So if anybody thinks about it and thinks of me, let me know. Reach out. All right. Any coming? No? Yeah. We're working on the current linear part project. And we've got to meet with LJA and discuss our options for what text.can do for us, what they can't, and maybe what we want, but Dustin and I and Theresa today walked the park from Bell all the way up to the vote rampant back. Just kind of get eyes on it, look at it, walk, you know, look at the crosswalks, make it see what we like, what we didn't like, what we thought we could add, or what we thought the priorities would be. So I'm going to take a bunch of pictures and we've got some notes, I'm going to put them together in a report to the board and Jacqueline. And so we can sit down and take a look at it and then meet with LJA, once we all agree on what our priorities are for this part. At this point, it's really not much more than a gateway from the west side of 146 to the east side so the idea is to simply enhance that. There may be some additional benefit by having text.pave or expand the parking area about where the boat ramp is going to be, I'll put that in the report and everybody can take a look at it. Thanks for doing that. It's fun. It was interesting. Were you guys here just in time? No, I didn't. You have comments? No, I didn't. All right. Dustin? I do not. All right. President's comments. I have a little bit, so we're going to re-elect officers today. So I have enjoyed serving as President about his board, the community will leave for a long time, and I'm excited with his board's going. We have a really good board now that I think can get a lot done, and I'm excited. We went from a board that planned a lot and talked a lot to the board that executed. I'm very proud of that. I'm also very proud that you guys were bold enough to make decisions that need to be made in the town, even if it was a little controversial at times. You did the right thing. And we've done the right thing as a board. And we've done more than I can remember any other board doing from my time here. And so I appreciate that. And hopefully it continues. Next is the City Administrator Report, he's not here. Next is Ronnie Richards, you got anything? Not really, you think just when I urge everybody to be sure to vote because there's a bond election that's on the ballot for the Alistair County and we're going to, this city of Kima will see a lot of benefit from that if it passes so be sure to get out and vote You know which one it is to everybody knows which to vote for Okay, thank you Caesar Caesar is here Caesar. Did you have an elephant you want to make? I'm sorry. So, sir, no announcements. I just found a little one. We'll do that. Okay. Thank you. 10A approval of minutes. Is there a motion to approve the minutes? It's still moved? Is there a second? Second. We got a first and about three seconds. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Daring and the time. Passes unanimously. Okay. 11 A annual election of KCDC board officers. So we are going to take nominations from the floor. We are going to select President, Vice President, Secretary, and President. I have a nomination. Go for it. I'd like to nominate Darren Brottis for President, and I would like to nominate Dustin Oliver for Vice President. I took the Vice President position a year ago, a year, a year and a half ago, because at the time it was the, it's what made the most sense considering that I had been here a little bit longer. I had the I had a little bit more free time. I'm not in that place anymore and we're doing a lot on on this board right now that I really think Darren and Dustin could take the lead on and it would be very fruitful for this board if they get. Who is the current Secretary and the Treasury? It was Christy and not, yeah, it was Christy and Harry. They were the secretary and treasurer. Do you want to balance that out and finish that? Do you have anybody in mind? No, I don't. We're going to slide you. I can go back to being Secretary again, I don't mind. All right. Sean, five minute good measure, I think. I think he would, yes. Okay, sounds good to me. Is that a motion? I so moved. All right, is anybody with a second dance? I'll second. All right, so we have a first and a second. All those in favor say aye. I'm going to say hi. Hi. All right, congratulations guys. I will move right out of my seat. No, this is your gender. No, no, you're the guy now. You've been on. So. I can't, all of them favor say aye. Aye. All right, congratulations, guys. I'll move right out of my seat. No, you, this is your agenda. No, no, you're the guy down. You've been on. So I looked at this already, so I think. He also counted wrong, so. So I think you two need to sit down. You'll sit there and I'll sit there. OK, there's a bike. We can. Yeah, you two start that way. Congratulations, guys. I'm sorry. You're welcome. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think she's probably nicer than I am. She makes me bad. I just... I am one of the people who see me. I think I'm probably nice that I am he makes me that I just I am one I'm glad that he has that seat That's gonna happen one of these days You better pay attention That's actually hilarious I've found this in for a long time, man, never to fall. Yeah. Carmen's going to be swaned in. Who does? Right. It's a live building. It wasn't designed for this many people. It's amazing. Well, thank you all very much, much appreciated. My first task is I'm going to reach out to each one of you because I'd like to find out what your passion is why you wanted to be on this board and how can you help this board move forward. So I will be reaching out to each one of you on the next couple of weeks and hopefully we can come up with a plan on how to push this board forward, even further. Everybody's got talents and where I love economic development. Some people like quality at life. I mean, let's focus on what we are passionate about. Because I know people with passion will do great things with the city. So look forward to leading this group. I guess we'll get back to the agenda. 11B, add signatures for KCBC checking account at Texas First Bank, Finance. Mike is on. We need to add, we would like to add some new signatures. So something happens to Isaac. He's just stepped down. So he's not protected by the KCDC security anymore. And Ms. Rae over here, she's the R only two. If no one else on the board would like to sign up, maybe outside the box thinking, add Caesar as maybe a sign or on myself. So I'm not, you know, if no one's willing to have their name on the check for case of any comments. I think Darren and Dustin should be. When you're treasuring. And your treasure, yeah. I think there's no reason why we can't just put the more we have the faster it is to get things made. It makes it easier. I know that when something has to be signed and needs to be signed so we're not always really available. I'm nervous to put a staff member on it not because of anything that any staff member currently employed here has done, but just because a history sake, I would like to see it just stick to board members for now. But that's just the thing. We made a dual signature. Yes sir. So it could be a staff member and an airborne air was the signature. Was it? Oh yeah, we did put him on as a signature. Any other thoughts? You're cool. I'm not cool. The board's cool. Well, if you want to do, if you want to do, you know, by she said, and then add a caesare. I think that's good. Okay. I'll make a motion to add Darren and Dustin and Caesar to our and Sean I'll second all those in favor 11 C I think the glasses I'm getting old discussion and or possible action concerning sensory-friendly experience in chemo. It says to the administrator, but I'm sure this is probably Isaac. So, at the last council meeting in my comments, I asked for a few action items. was to have a sensory day at the boardwalk. One was to extend a sensory day at the boardwalk. One was to extend requests to the local businesses to have Century-friendly components. And the third was for the PD to be trained to deal with special needs. And Patty actually, you want to speak to some of that? up here. The party actually wrote something that really nice and Caesar came. And Patty actually, you want to speak to some of that? Patty actually wrote something that I really nice and Caesar came with the idea of a sensory-friendly chemo. So each of you have at your place a letter that would go out to local businesses asking them basically just kind of letting them know what the city has in mind and what we have in mind. And asking them if they'd like to participate in becoming part of a sensory friendly chema. And basically what would happen is if they could make certain adjustments to within their businesses and we could give them a sticker or window cling that they'd be able to put outside their window. Something else we found when we were kind of looking at all of this is that there is a certification program that cities or businesses or whatever can become certified city, I'm sorry, certified sensory friendly cities. And I'd like to see, kind of in talking the three of us, we kind of would like to see if you guys would be interested in in pursuing that for the city. I think it's a great opportunity for Kima to kind of show visitors that hey you've got a lot of choices of where you go but but we could make it easier on your family if you come here because we kind of you know our police departments being trained our our businesses are involved and we just really want to make it a welcoming community for everybody, where everybody can come and have a good time. So in the little packet that you have for me is the letter. And then on the last page would be some different logos that we could use for the window clings and just with different marketing materials. Thank you to Isaac for guiding me in that to make sure that my design was sensory friendly as well. Is there someone that advertise a 57-acre park as well? Yeah, because that is an all-ability playground. So yeah, that would be awesome. And Dustin, you want to talk a little bit about, can you divulge anything that we talked about? Yeah, sure. We had a good meeting with the boardwalk and city leadership, I say, chief police and Caesar to work on getting on the calendar some sensory friendly days, the boardwalk that makes sense. I won't say the date yet just because it made change a little bit, but tentative dates on the calendar and things like that to work out some details. But I think this is a really good program in a previous life to kind of go off not to go off on a tangent. In a previous life at another campus we did the program that you're referring to. One thing I will say that, or recommend that when you go have this conversation with business owners in town, is that this is an incredible program to be inclusive for all of our guests. And it's not just for them, but their families, their parents, their siblings, whoever's bringing them, grandma, uncle, whoever. It's a great program, and I wish more places would do it. I think you need to be really candid with the businesses that it's a commit. I mean, it really is. It's not the easiest program to be sensory friendly. There's a lot of steps. There's a lot of things that they need to get trained on and how to handle different situations they may not be used to handling. And it's for good cause. They should be doing it anyway. And it's for a good cause. They should be doing it anyway. I wish we were all doing it and doing better at it. But what I don't really don't want to... different situations they may not be used to handling. And it's for a good cause. They should be doing it anyway. I wish we were all doing it and doing better at it. But what I really don't want them to do is to commit to something that they really don't understand how much they're committing to. And then we drop the ball when a family comes in thinking they're going to have a good time. And then everyone's going to have these stickers or window clings around town. And then I just know how it's going to go. If one they have one poor visit and someone's not prepared, they're just going to assume everyone else in town is prepared no matter how well they are. That's the only thing I caution because the program is strenuous and it can't be. I mean, it's a good thing. Could this be something that's earned though? Like we get so many recommendations from people, once we get so many good comments or something, then we issue a sticker instead of just saying that you are. I think it should be, I have to complete whatever training they have. Sure. I would have checked last. At least the training, just, you know. I just don't want the businesses to think, oh, I've sit through a couple of webinars or a power point and I'm ready to go. It's a bigger commitment than that to the community that they serve. And it's just be candid with them. It's not meant to scare anybody. Just I don't want them to commit and then fail. No, you're right. You know, we have an upset kiddo going home that and then mom and dad never want to come back to Keema. That's not that. I think that's a great point. I think that basically what you're saying is, you know, words without action, action, it's actually a bit of a. And I like the idea of either having it be a recommendation or being having a checklist of, you know, have you done these things? Yeah. Have you done the training? do you really know what you're doing before you put this on your door or wouldn't know? I'm not so sure. And I've talked about this in Council and I'll just briefly touch on it here. But as a father of a special needs daughter, whenever we go anywhere, we plan to do this. And there's at least a couple of places in town that do it without even purposefully doing it. Right. And I brought up the example of T. Vontoms You know my daughter loves that place we go there when we go there They know exactly where to center so she doesn't bother anybody. They know exactly what she'll eat They when we they see us come in the door. They've already put her order in when we sit down to the same waitress comes to her She's used to her They know how to talk to her. They know when she's getting excited. They've already keyed into that. Without even knowing any of this. So I don't think it's that going to be that big of a transition for some. And I think it's very special that somebody can go in there and like you said, it's when if a family can go enjoy a dinner when they normally it's hard. I think that's all great. Do you have any discussion or direction in the logos? I like one of the top two. I think one of these top two are good. Okay, any combination of, you know, like I like this item from this one and this one. Yeah, either one of those. Okay. Actually, I mean, all three, I like the circle ones better. Okay. For me, personally. Just to be all know that, so like the autism community, some people use the puzzle piece. That is a little controversial. It's an autism species, what that's from. The infinity sign and the rainbow colors, really kind of more openly accepted in the community. That's why I asked for to put that on there. I also asked for to put on the, you know, the Discover Kima and the Kima City. I did some research and it says circular ones look better. That's why she came up with those. I thought I wanted to choose between them. I like that just not right. But I mean, I think we should probably decide on one and then send you with walking orders That would be my opinion. Any other comments? We do have a butterfly garden. We do? Do we have a butterfly garden? And then we just know we know. No, we're second-graded. OK, well, we will have a butterfly garden. I love this. That's all. Does anybody have a preference on the logo? I have a better one. I have the better one. It was a learning experience for me as well too, because I didn't realize that there, once you suggested some fonts, I didn't realize that there weren't, that there were fonts that were better than others. And then so I started, you know, started googling and looking at fonts that are, that are more easily read or, or whatever. So I learned quite a bit when I was doing this too. Let me take a load on it. I'll choose one. Anybody else's got any opinions? Anybody else Tom? I'm glad it's fine. All right, we're glad to buy this. All right, thanks. Thanks. So I'll make a motion to proceed with this program. Prepared to continue going and get well touch with the business owners and for the butterfly logo. Is that clear enough? You have a second? Second. All those in favor? Hi. Hi. Is there going to be the certification that Dustin talked about the training? Is that part of the? Yes, that's part of the program. That's not us doing that. Right. Right. All right. 11D discussion and possible action of concerning KCDC social media policy. Patty? I see, sorry, still here? Did you hear the news? Did you hear the news? Even when we're hearing a graph of a social media policy not only for big things but also for more. And the general ideas were to start writing the drafts in the general city started compiling something. The idea for it to come in the book, big, big, empty, big counsel at the very meeting and one of him is that we would like to have it to you for the main matter. I've submitted a draft of a social media policy to him to look over. And I think basically what we were talking about doing is having one. One that the council would consider and approve for the city and then we would bring that one back to y'all and see if there were changes that would need to be made to make it more KCDC specific and then you would adopt one as well based off of that preliminary one. And so that's just coming down the pipe and out for it at the, I think the meeting in May. Any questions or anything in particular you'd like to point me in a direction as far as if you think should be included. I guess without having seen it you can't really. I'll get you, I'll get you a rough draft. I'm get you a rough draft. Yeah. That's probably a good policy. Thank you. No action taken on the 11D, 11E, discussion concerning economic development prospects and outreach. Casey D.C.? Sean actually wanted to talk to us about that. Sure. So I've been thinking around, you know, I you a couple of you about it. I've been thinking about maybe some businesses to try to snooze and maybe look into. When I had ran across a couple weeks ago, you all are familiar with it. I think a lot of people are familiar with it is. I've been looking at businesses that are open only on weekends. I know there's some businesses that during the day but maybe some businesses that can handle that flux and maybe don't have to depend on business during the day and that type of thing. When I was looking at was a place called Dig World in Katie and basically it's a big strip of land and dirt and sand and they rig large construction equipment to purchase a printer drive and you can take your kid and your kid can drive a safe bulldozer and you can play with dirt and stuff like that and it's not a complicated business. They're open on weekends obviously not during the rain and certain times like that but they're pretty popular. It's a tourist attraction too which kind of goes along with the tourism aspect. It would be something nice so all I really want to do is some direction. I've kind of reached out a little bit but I really need to know like who you know I want to have somebody come talk to us you know look into do I, you know, who wants to talk to me with them, who wants to show them around, you know, who wants to kind of go through that. And then obviously there are logistics that are involved. You know, where are you gonna put this, you know, but we have some empty land in Kima obviously and maybe it's something that we can just take a look at. That was just one I thought about. I'd like to look into now so I just want your blessings to get to be that and to maybe start. Do you have any idea on the lane requirements? So my understanding is they have multiple sizes but it really kind of depends on what you're gonna have here. Like you can have a smaller size one I understand but obviously're not going to have the ability to have it in lots of people here. Here, we have the boardwalk here. We open a big world here. People are crazy about kids coming in the weekends, wanting to do that with the boardwalk and things like that. They're going to get cross-tracker from each other. And I think it's really just a matter, in my opinion, I think it's just really a matter of what can you get open, you know, because if you only have a small amount of things, obviously you can't have that many people here. So that's something I don't know and that's something I need to understand. But they do corporate, they can open a thing, but there's also franchising options available too. Okay, somebody might be interested here. I mean, we have a lot of talented, thoughtful play a donor's year that may be interested in that type of thing and investors not type of thing. So, I mean, if you build a table cup, so it's really just a matter of getting it forward. Maybe somebody needs some like, land work done and you get some cheap labor. I'm not kidding. Let's get stick out here. How do we fill it up? Digging in the floodplain. That's what I mean. How about a boat launch? Boat launch? I get built up boat launch. I think it's worth looking into, absolutely. When I think of strategic planning in Kima, one of the big things that my mind immediately goes to is actually the opposite of what you're looking at. So I'm looking at businesses that will bring more traffic to KEMA during our downtime because that's when we have the biggest area of opportunity and the biggest place to fill, especially when you're talking about trying to get hotels to come here and want to build. A lot of hotel owners aren't going to want to put their business, all their livelihoods somewhere where they can only fill it up on weekends. It's just not enough revenue for them to maintain that. Same thing with a lot of other businesses that come here. If we have a small amount of land to play with here in Kima. So That's kind of where I go with that, but I mean I'm open. I'm open to new ideas if maybe if they're you know their peak season is in you know December in the hot hot heat of August To have them here during weekends wouldn't be too bad I don't know if we need a motion for this, but I mean, I'm okay with showing. I'm good with you. You know, if you want to explore and reach out to him, if you need support, I'm happy to help you. I'm probably the amusement guy in the room. Happy to. Well, my thought was, you know, and you know, I'm telling me now that maybe, you know, This sounds like something you might want to meet with somebody with me or something like that. Show people around and talk to them, show them around and something like that. Or if you think of anything like, hey, maybe this place, maybe this area, maybe this area, do this kind of thing. I think it would be myself and Dustin, because Dustin does bring a lot in the zoo when the poor walk in. He understands that industry way better than I do, but I also have pretty good grasp of the lands that's available. and the parking is always going to be an issue here, so you always get to be conscientious about parking. I'm in direct about the land that's available. Right. So, you know, that's something I need all the way. But, you know, I just want to leave you to it much more. I think doing this and kind of following many potential businesses like this, that actually is the way they do it. And you throw as many darknesses and again, the dark world in the most six. I mean, I would think moving dirt around in a put zone would be ideal, actually. I mean, you do not stop the alien permanent. You not have any permanent structures. And I think you find a place that would put zone in that way. That would have normally worked for a lot of business. Yeah, when it rains, I've kind of looked at the way they do it. And when it rains, they can still do stuff. But when it rains, they can. That's it. Drives off. We can do it. But at the same time, the wild looks successful. So. Yeah, I'm forward to. I think you proceed forward. Okay, Caesar's talking a couple comments. He said from staff. I can show them around with Sean and for a levany for prospects We are compiling a list of all vacant land and buildings to showcase possible suitors and he's still talking So I Work on that since the Cesar and trying to get all the contacts and phone numbers and so we can make it a lot easier for anybody who does call. We know who to get a hold of. So. Yeah, he said it would be a living list and partnership with the realtors, etc. So assuming no actions needed, we just proceed forward with Sean's. Correct. I had something else to add in there. Against something I may get it up on what we don't know I know there's been some Some outreach and again. I don't know the specifics. I'm just trying to look into stuff From an outside perspective so the empty Walgreens is there anything in in the pipeline for that? Problem we've had with that property is the owners or from South America the best I can tell. Yeah. They have no get up and go because Walgreens has at least and they're getting their payments every month so there's no reason to come to the table and have any true discussions is what we we found far but we're still working on it we do have one prospect but I think that's where we've gotten hooked kind of got the hang up is that the owners just don't have any reason to get in their payment every month from Walgreens and they're under release until I think 2027 so I think that's we've never seen the lease but I think that's what I kind of got out of one conversation I had was 2027 So they're getting their repayments no matter what till then so So I think Walgreens is just as frustrated as anybody else because they'd like to get out from underneath that and have somebody else go in that building So well the other problem is somebody coming in and spending the money to rehab that building for whatever is they need and the Sub- what it was? And so they want a longer commitment than that. So you essentially have to get commitments from two different entities to get on the same page because if you look at like on the four corners are over here with that old CVS used to be, that actually turned that into a retail trip center. Which I think is a great idea and I've talked to people that would do that here. I just didn't want to invest in something that unless they can get a longer term solution. So we are working on that. In 2027, I mean, I remember you told me this about back how long it was. I mean, if we think about it, in terms of how fast things move, 2027 isn't that far away. No. So like. It's on the radar just a matter. Yeah. Somebody wants to do something today, but we're still two years out before. Yeah. Really there's going to be somebody coming to the table. I know that they're got a little upset about their tax value because they went up like everybody else's and but that's about that I think it's built into their lease. They got to raise their lease price to lower the rent. Yeah, they're getting their money back. Well, I, I, I game with somebody who works with, um, a retail issue and he actually knew about the property. And I never even mentioned it. He knew about the property. So you do, I don't want to say the name right now, because I would cause commotion. I don't have permission for him to say it right here, but I think there would be some interest in it. But if it's only 2007, I mean, that sounds too far away. I mean, just the time to get it going and get it ready. It's definitely on the radar. I just don't want to once commit to it at this this point because they can't get a solid information. And Walbrings is closing more stores, according to the news. So they've got these stores, if you go to their website, they've got these places all over the country, you know, like the same thing. So there may be more pressure at some point for them to do something between down then, but I think the investors that own it and lease it to them. They're not any heard to do anything because they got a strong client in there right now. No. Anything else, Sean? No, thank you guys. Okay. Moving on to 11F discussion and possible actions for Sue a strategic plan for Kima. Isaac, I'm sure this would you? Yeah, so I originally thought about this to kind of be a good segue into budget season. And what really kind of made me start thinking about it was, you know, we get people that come in and want to start these new projects and aren't necessarily in the budget. And we that we've changed things around the budget, you know the last minute last time and something got asked So right now was all fresh in our memory in our minds we start with the strategic plan and go into a Budget counsel's meeting about the budget tomorrow. They have a Special meeting on it. So it won't be it won't be deep. We'll probably just send some direction and go on, but since we don't meet once a month, we probably go and get the process started. Jacqueline actually has experience in it. Caesar has somebody that can do it that we would pay. I just wanted to present all of it and see which direction we wanted to go. I like that idea of we working it through it, what through it, ourselves. I don't know. We probably should have synergy with council also on that if we want to actually have you know get things done. So I just really wanted to have a conversation about it and see where everybody wanted to go. But at the time now because it is about we do need to start working on budget very soon. You want to talk about kind of what your process might be? Well, I mean, whether it's who Caesar is talking to you if you wanted me to help, you definitely want council and then the board to be aligned on the plan because they're hand in glove. So you would want that to be a collective effort. And some of that could be done through just questioning, you know, like some pre-planning before you actually met. I don't know what the timeline is that you're thinking as to when you would want to get people together for that. I mean, budget September, so that'd be before budget, so then he's going to start. I'll put say, like if I were to give a plan of action tonight, it would be for you to talk to Caesar, you and Caesar and they're going to get together and decide which way you guys want that to go and you guys can accumulate a little bit of the decide, which way would it be best? But I think it's important we do it, because it just makes it easier when you budget. It makes it easier when we're making decisions. Somebody come up with a new idea, and they want to do something, we say, well, that wasn't part of our strategic plan, but we can add it, like you said, to the living document. Maybe we do it next time, but I think it kind of helps us stay on track with our spending also. and bring everybody up to a level playing field of understanding. I had actually tried to get her to be the plan while back. Remember that? And then the lady came back and really was kind of not very helpful. And- Maybe my next question is where the last one goes. What should we already have? No, she just copied ours. She didn't do it. All she did was write down what projects we were working on and who the contact people were, which we already had. So it didn't work out, but I think it's important. I think we tried to do it on council. Admittingly, I've pushed back on it from council before, just because I felt like nobody knows our town better than we do. Right, I think we could do it. I think we can come up with that. But I'm just one opinion. Well, the advantage of having someone who's not in the mix they're facilitating the process. And so that's their role is they're facilitating and they're bringing the different viewpoints and they're creating cohesion in the different viewpoints. So yes, but the information and the insight resides in the people in the room. And the person doing the plan is getting the information out of you, organizing it, and then making sure that there's collaboration and that you come together on shared understanding and agreement. I've sat through a couple. Whenever a carol was mayor, he had one, I came in and sat through it and it was, I'm going to be honest, it was painful because I said, and it's just me talking it out with you, right? I was sitting in the audience and people were talking and I'm like, oh hey, let's bring a, you know, another amusement park here. I mean, these things that were unrealistic, oh hey, let's, you know, let's just pave this road, you know, or the things that I knew weren't feasible financially. And at the end, and when you, I mean, it's great to come up with this idea, but that's probably what I mean when you keep it with the people that are knowledgeable in this situation, you kind of, you kind of, it's more of a purposeful action. Well, and that's why you want to do things like a SWAT. So you're doing strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats. You also want to look at what is realistic. There you go. And then you want to look at, and you know, I've said this to you, even like you going to Vegas and looking at different businesses. What is the vision for KEMA as the types of businesses that you want to attract? And then, you know, Sean, where you said, well, you know, we'll just throw it out there and cigarettes. Well, that's not a strategy. And so you want to make sure, like, what is the strategy? And then how is everyone on KCDC aligned so that we're filtering and looking at things? And it doesn't mean that we don't have different viewpoints, but it's what is the ethos that we're working toward? So do our projects fit the strategy? Yeah, yeah, that's I think that's it. And then that's it, pick the budget. And then, well, and so then you look at that year one, two, three, four, and five and then what's the risk and where's the opportunity and what needs to happen for consideration of either budget or grants or other things or what patty's doing from a marketing standpoint and who are we attracting from that standpoint. So they it all goes together when you look at the city government and then the council and the board. I mean, I'll inject a little bit because I came from a town in North Texas where I was President EDC. One thing I did like about a strategic plan is you can start checking, yes, I accomplished something. I did like that part of it. You're accomplishing the goals of either the board or the general public. But I didn't see it work too well on the economic side. I saw it work more in the quality of life, and not that you didn't get a list from the residents or the players of what they would like to see, but we don't really dictate that when we can't kind of go after those people, but I mean sometimes they just come to you or you don't turn them down. I mean, how are you going to do that? because we don't have zoning, there's things we don't, the mechanisms we don't have to turn businesses away. And they're like infrastructure projects like the walk scape and stuff. you don't turn them down. I mean, how are you going to do that? Because we don't have zoning, there's things we don't, the mechanisms we don't have to turn businesses away. And they're like infrastructure projects like the walk scape and stuff like that. Those are projects that I think need to get done and we need to have a strategic plan on what that looks like over the next three to five years so that we can get there. Because we We don't ever have a strategic plan when ever finishes 57-A-Gapart. We'll never have the walk skate. We'll never have, you know, if we need to redo a road for an existing business, then we need to have a plan for that, because if they're going to move, because their infrastructure's falling apart around them, then we need to take a look at that. But as far as on the economic side, I mean, I would love to, we've done it internally, I guess, to send it out to people we know and say, what would you like to see in Kima? I'm gonna list back and they're very similar. A lot of people have... I mean, I would love it. We've done it internally, I guess. Just sent it out to people we know and say, what would you like to see in KEMA? We've got a list back and they're very similar. A lot of people had a lot of similar things on that list. And you can't just say like a certain type of dry cleaners, but they sell like dry cleaners. It's just a basic service that we don't have in KEMA. you have to go to the city. So, but you break it down. It was pretty similar from the list we got from random people in town. So, I think that would be beneficial to this board. But going into a strategic plan and trying to master plan certain pieces of land, we just don't have enough control in the home land. So it makes it really tough for us to strategic plan that. But Darren, you just said the key things. It's like identifying what do we have, what do we not have, and then what is it that you're trying to create? And so if you know that, then that's that visionary list of what you're looking for are considering against. It doesn't mean that it's intimate. So if someone were to make a motion, put you in charge tonight of this, what do you need to get started if you were going to do it? I'm not trying to take away from whatever season for what you guys got going on. But what do you need if you were going to run this from us or from the city to get the process rolling? Well, I think first we really need to hear from Caesar and what he has in mind. But what? Oh. OK. Yeah, they don't totally need to be rolling either. These things are under the influence of the government. OK. They set up the chance. I can really ask. OK. No, it's a bit. Yeah. So from the standpoint, you would do a survey of gathering information. So you would, like, from pre-planning because everybody's time is really valuable so you would do a swap. Like, what does everyone perceive Strengths, Weetnesses, Opportunities, Threats? And then you would go through what are current projects, what are aspirational projects, so where are they? And there's data like you have some of that data as it has it. Each of you different aspects of that And so you're looking at where things are and then you're lining that up so that you're showing a work plan Where things are so if you think about a map You're actually showing here's what we've got going on here's what needs to be completed Here's what we're considering for future and so you're doing a five five year and you're lining it up from that standpoint. And then you're projecting the budget piece. So there's the opportunities, what exists, what exists and then you're looking at the financial requirements and where you're getting funding. So then some of those are funded, some still need funding, some maybe you're at risk for funding. you're going through different things like that. So you think about the business operations, that's what you're lining out, and then you're prioritizing, you're saying what is your one priority, your two, your three, and then what is your mission vision goal. So it's lining out all of that, and then for a plan to have breath and life, dust and it's it's bringing the people, the council and city government together, what are they willing to commit to and where they in alignment and understanding not everybody's gonna get their way. And so what is the priority and then what is the initiative and then when you have something come up You're always looking back at what did we say? Is it alignment with in alignment with the plant or is this something that we want to re-prioritize or do we table? So I have the worst kings of days up here right. We do something along this line almost every single year. It's either we call it a strategic plan, we call it a five-year plan. Something along these lines pops up on our agenda every year. And I think the concept is a great idea. I think we do need to revisit the plan every year. But every year when we bring it up, it's almost like it's a new plan. And it's not. So my idea is to let's make sure that this time we're gathering all of that past information that we have, the previous five year plan. The obviously include the Master Parks plan, the previous strategic plans that we have. What else have we done? We've done a lot of them. We have the master drainage plan, we have the studio plan, we have the master park plan, we have, if you want to include the economic development part of it, we have what's, what's the guy that came in and identified the businesses that would come here. What is his name? Aaron, Aaron, Marmer. I used the data from the, the data that he identified he would come and what he had about the information. All that could be put into it. I agree with you. Don't retread the wheel. Yeah, instead of starting over from the beginning or starting over from the beginning this year, let's really make sure that we're pulling it all together. And we should really all get that data, all review it, and just be like, okay, we're not doing this anymore, and then maybe have a workshop. That's what I want. Where we can kind of go over that, since we've got veterans on the board right now, you've got new people on the board. This is a great time for us all to come together and revisit all of that old stuff and decide what applies now and what doesn't. And that will nobody's working from scratch. Agreed. Is that something that, since Jacqueline knows what she's doing, is kind of stuff? Can we direct her? She wants to be the person in charge of, I don't want to say collecting that information, but directing that to us so we can better get behind her and that kind that kind of stuff and then maybe she works with Caesar and she can identify what does need to be needed and what we do need before we decide what we need. I mean is that... I agree with that. I think the marching orders like I said should be you get with Caesar and Darren I'll be happy to help because I have a lot of history on this board You know about which way to go and then we can come back either a special meeting or the next meeting and and Set it for we probably have a special meeting to be honest with you because the next meeting won't be until end of May And we probably need to have it in going so that the next meeting we have something to do Not create the next meeting. You know, shall I make a motion? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. She's got Caesar comments. Oh. I need to plan something up on the screen here too, but I'll blow it up here in a second. Okay, he said that for the latest plan, it's since then 2021, and it's time for a new plan. We need to compile a scope and then decide route to take. And then strategic plan is not a one year plan. It's usually three to five year plan minimum. Good facilitator would make it less painful and more streamlined. And then he has an image if you'd like to take a look at that. I remember coming up with the three and five year plan years ago and we knocked those things out of the park real fast fast and then we had nothing to do. I have to think of more stuff. There's some nice stuff. Me for me a great facilitator, facilitator sounds great. We have somebody that specializes in that sitting right next to me. So. Actually do any make a motion? You just need to stand in motion. Does need to be a vote. You just go find that fine and come back and... Why not? Do you see me? And Caesar talk as a first step. Okay. And really get a sense of what Caesar envisions and then come back and say, okay, either that's something that makes sense for me to take on a health list or we want to talk about seizures like who he talked to. I like that. Okay. Okay. Can we get an update on that maybe before the next meeting? We might have a special meeting so we can accelerate this because we got a deadline. Yeah, when you get it done. Probably August. Maybe Jacqueline could send out a. Because they got to go in front of Council and they got to prove what we're. They're going to put in their budget and we're going to tell the Council about this because this could and should probably extend in the Council. The workshop should be a joint. Yeah, I should be a joint workshop. So yeah, which will all have a conversation. Luckily we got a million more. Yeah. Like someone did that. There should be no action, really. All right, no action. Other than we'll get together with Caesar and proceed forward on what's the next steps. 11G, consideration and possible action to approve a quote with on the way electrical to provide lighting to Wiggins Park formerly known as CN Park. Caesar put that on and he thought to those guys. I mean, do we have, do we have an actual agreement with the water board? Is this actually our park particular? I mean, has anybody seen that? I've never seen the thing. I mean that's the me that's the one I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I it in the past. But is it in writing? Because it's going to be a lot of cost over there. And if it's not our park, I think the water board should do it. That's just me. I agree. We won't be able enough in a responsible for that. We cannot take care of all of this. And if it's not our part, I think the water porch would do it. That's just me. I agree. We won't be in enough in a responsible for that. We can not take care of our own stuff. You know, unless we have to, I would make sure. I did ask Caesar that question. And I think Chris Richardson was called right then and there and he's going to send something over. So I don't know if it's not in the packet. I won't see it up here. Unless Caesar has something to type in, that would be mine, but make sure it's ours first. Just table this for right now. in there and City's going to send some over. So I don't know if it's not in the back end. I don't see it up here. Unless Caesar has something to type in, that would be mine. But make sure it's ours first. Just table this for right now. Is there any comment from Caesar? Don't look at me. Where are you at, sir? I'm curious. I'll be Park Sport position seven next week. I will just say that if we're gonna start doing these parts and put lighting in and we have a look at our ordinance of the city side too because they're just a dawn and there's some things that need to be changed if we're going to start doing these parts and put lighting in and we have a look at our ordinance of the city side too because they're just a dawn and there's some things that need to be changed to start putting lighting in parts. In all seriousness, I just can't help. I've got a lot of... I agree that I think we need to see what the agreement really says or what is in there and what's responsible. I know, for shard and his guys are all ready, doing a bunch of the work or all the work, I guess is more fair. I'm not against lighting it up for safety. I know, for shard and his guys are all ready, doing a bunch of the work or all the work, I guess, is more fair. I'm not against lighting it up for safety. I do have a ton of questions that this comes up later. I mean, we're lighting it up at nighttime when the park is closed. I mean, does it need this much lighting? Is it really a public safety issue? Not saying it's not, it's dark. Are we having vandalism issues in there now? Are you constantly cleaning up your feed-e if you are than makes total sense? Is it being wiped up at night? No. Not saying it's not, it's dark. Are we having vandalism issues in there now? Are you constantly cleaning up graffiti if you are, then makes total sense. Is it being wrapped up at night? That's what's going to happen. I have my help a lot of that. And I think this is going to bring up a lot of the questions of is RNM of a part, a KCDC problem, versus a city budget problem? So I get out voted on that down the road more than likely, but that's fine to her, but I just From a safety standpoint, I would say yes. It is a problem. We've had some vandalism. They've stolen some stuff out of the restrooms, the graffiti, and currently we're not locking the park. That was something that we had talked about with the police department a while back to Lock the Parks and the restrooms at the Visitor Center because of the vandalism. It started for a while and then it kind of just fell off to where they weren't doing it. Public works, works, we're not here at night to go by and lock the parks. True enough we can unlock them in the morning. I'm here at 5.30 every morning so that park is dark. If you stand at the street, the first you can see into that park is at the back of the restrooms and that's just a guess. So from a safety standpoint, would it be an unlocked, I would say yes. Now if you want to get the PD involved and make it a mandatory that those parks get locked, then that may help. But- Do we have it posted that the parks are actually closed after sunset or pick a time? There are signs out there that says close had done, but if it's not's not locked then you still have the ability to go in the restrooms are not locked and for that matter if you walk in one of those restrooms you this is about much as you're going to see and that's even in the daytime. that there's a sunlight can in those restrooms over there. That's been times when I have to go over there to do work in them. I've actually had to take flashlights and then the broad daylight. So that's one of the reasons why. And I think, Mr. Daniel, you have been working on the light with fun ropes for a while to do the solos. We just came up with the idea that it was probably even cheaper and we'd get more bang for the buck if we just put some power there. The request I got was for the fall time when it gets dark at 5.30 and they're just getting off work. They still like to have a place to go play pickleball and go do some things. And these are dust to done lights that would be. That's getting dark at 8 o'clock. I mean, is it really feasible to leave the park open past dusk? I mean, that's what things we just need to look at. But when it does get dark at 5'30 and people don't get off work till 5' that's how you get home, the the parks are closed and they can't you know the server you know with silly so that's what was brought to my attention was I had been in the shop hours when we do have but now it's what eight o'clock. Yeah I had mentioned for years. I think you're talking about it. Any insight as to why our PD isn't locking the gates? I mean, there's I had mentioned for years. I think that's all love, bro. Any insight as to why RPD isn't locking the gates? I mean, there's probably a bunch of variables that I really can't speak to. I mean, it could be that they're on a call of... Well, they used to lock the nature facility too, and it just didn't happen anymore. None of that happens. Yeah, well, there's no fence around the nature field. Well, they used to lock the roads. Yeah, we used to do that. But that was back when Mayor Bob Cummins was here. And they used to lock the lighthouse, the parks, and then every morning I would go and unlock them. I would be meeting the PD there to unlock them at about the same time, about 7 o'clock in the morning. And that just kind of fell off. It just stopped happening. But I've been mentioning for years that that pork needed some lighting over there and it just kind of, you know. I guess some like smarting orders would be, I'll get my hands on that agreement from Chris Richardson, we'll review it, see where we stand with the water board and then we can table this and bring it back if necessary. Can you explain the, I sound a little bit, I was looking at this book. Can you explain a little bit what the issue is? What you're talking about with the water board? Can you explain the, I sound a little bit, I was looking at this club. Can you explain a little bit what the issue is, what you're talking about with the, with the water board? Can you kind of explain it? The property is owned by the water board, and it's my understanding that the city put the equipment in? Well, some of it, Matt put some of it in, Matt put the skate park in, I believe. I mean, pay for what I was pocket with the sea was on the board of the government. I was not part of CNL, the KCDC, initially, but when Treesil was on the board. I was on the board of the government. I was not part of CNL as a KCDC initiative, but when Treesil was on the board. I was on the board when we did that. So what we did was, like I said, it's always been done that way, I didn't mean the way it's supposed to be done. So the water board owns the park. KCDC, I designed that bathroom for me and Bill Kerber, and they built it. And then we put in the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the some input and they put those cool things and they did all that. And then the playground equipment was put in later because they used to be just like a walking trail and remember that that. And had to exercise stations. Then with the exercise stations out, and we put them at the nature cylinder. And then they brought it out with the cover of those now. So yeah, we've always had our hands in it, but now it needs major upkeep. So even though because we've always done it that way, my steps would be, A, is it our responsibility? I mean, is it clearly stated that it's our responsibility? And if it isn't, I say that the water board doesn't. Let's not forget that we're asking for the landscape company to mold the grass so that's the case then they maybe that maybe need to be looked at as well. That's ours. And it's a pretty hefty price tag to fix all that stuff. Then what doesn't need maintenance is the much maintenance is the tennis courts, the basketball courts, the skate bar, football courts does. You know, rip out that playground equipment and just leave it like that until we can budget it and then face it back into do something different. Because it's expensive. Ken, I'll tell you if it is our responsibility. That's what I would recommend. Also too, I should mention that one of the parks is barricaded off right now because of some of the issues we found with you know when we had it out of it. And it's a hazard out there. So I've talked with men's eyes, or have talked, and Doug has even showed up over there and seen some of the hazards. Which park? Seeing Park, Wiggins Park here. The issue that I find is that we can't stop people from going into that area because we're not there to monitor that. I went over there yesterday and there was remnants of a little kid that had been in there. The shoes were still there. There were Easter eggs in there. So that tells me that parents are still letting the kids run around on this playground and it's unsafe It's a highly used part. It's a highly used part so so we need to do something Whether you know just bad cadence often my opinion is not enough Because we've done our due diligence don't give me wrong. I even got signs out there saying do not enter But what does that do for a parent who's still letting their kid run around on this playground is it's gonna be lava for that I mean that's a problem you're gonna chase every time you block something I mean look at everything I block you can walk the game stuff all over it no I guess I have one clarifying question there's no lights in the bathroom I've never been there's no lights there there's no power there at all yeah there's no power in the bathroom. There's no lights there. There's no power there at all. It's just a skylight. Yeah, there's no power in that park at all. If this gets not to give you more work, but should we not look at a bigger lighting plan then? I feel like that's more of a safety issue than just not lighting up the park after it's closed. I'd rather light up the inside of the bathroom time. So if you look at the quote, it puts the power there, and it gives us the ability to add lights into that restroom. It's not in the quote because that wasn't just right off, but lighting up the area, the front of the park, under the basketball goal, around the tennis court, around the skate park. There's a lot of light that is going to light this thing up. And then from there, putting one or two lights in the women's bathroom, really one light because it's not that big. One light in the bathroom for the men's, one in the women, and the problem there is solved. I just feel like the lighting up the bathrooms in the evening is more of a compelling argument for public safety than just generic. I mean I think you should probably add it by the time it comes back. Yeah I was just about to say so if that's something you want to if y'all going to table this if that's something that we want to go back and I can contact the three vendors again and say hey add another cost for just putting the light in the bathroom. I'm sure it won't be that much. And to that point, that's something that public works can do because Oscar does some of our electrical work. So once all the breaker box and all that's there, it's simple to just tie in another breaker and add a light. I don't think that would break the bank. $5.6. I don't want to give you a bunch of extra work and we're going to have a contract to come and do lights any way. of a breaker and add a light. I don't think that would break the bank. No, like an army of five and six, doing, I don't want to give you a bunch of, I don't want to give you extra work and we're gonna have a contract to come and do lights anyway. Well, I mean, that's why I said, we can definitely, you know, ask them to revise the quote to add two lights, one light and each bathroom. And I agree with you. I definitely agree with that. I want to close you. So hey, going back to the water board, maybe being responsible for it. So, and forgive me, I don't understand really the dynamic right now with the 1-4-I-5 watching they are very tended. It really is, if we find out, we decide that it is the water boards responsibility, then what? Are they actually going to do what they need to do? Or are we going to have to depend on another entity to do it? And if they don't do it, we have a traction park that's not being taken care of, which looks bad for everybody. I think we show up at the Waterborne meeting and make sure they do it. I was on the board. Show up at election time. I was on the board when they did the name change, but all our members, we just voted to change the name of the park to... Were you named, do you stick here? Yeah, really. Take care of it. I was on the board. Waterborne, you did us. I think one thing we should do, Patty, and just my opinion, is maybe we promote and foster part more since equipment is in there now in functional, correct? The basketball crisis functional. I mean, we've had to do several repairs from time to time as far as the basketball goes, but right now the playgrounds are our main issue. We met with a company, say, Caesar and about a week and a half ago to come out and, you know, actually we had it audited and it brought up some issues that some of them we've rectified. Yes. Can you guys hear me? Yes. Okay. So, one, and I'm sorry I'm not there. But just to not dee the, we're talking about items that are not on the agenda. And we're talking about the playground and all this other stuff. And we're talking about tonight and lighting. The original directive was for us to bring back quotes for potential lighting. That was the answer that was done. There was a preliminary poll done for four silver lights that would have cost roughly $22,000 if I remember the quote. In this case, what we evaluated was the buy-mouse quotes for us to get more lighting. In this case, every formal office is up to 13 lights that we can add back within the two to three so we want to add inside the restaurant. The idea is whether it is our property or not our property. You can still provide lighting at this facility. And that's what I just want to mention. We'll stick to so that we can just make sure that we're on the same page. The playground, we have met with them. There are some issues with the playground. Some stages with the playground. But there are things that we could do internally that we have already planned to do for very nominal fees, there is possibility to the residents with duties as partners, as our visit to the park. but there are things that we could do internally that we have already planned to do for very nominal fees. There is possibility to the residents who do this part. This is our business part. That's what we've known that if we're going to do something that even we do it or we don't do it to your point, if you want to table in and bring us back up at the next meeting or two weeks of a special meeting we're already in half, we can choose to do that. But I wanted to make sure that we're staying on the same page. Do you want to do this tonight? Do you want to tangle it? We can bring everything back to you. We already started meeting some of the repairs that were... have, we can choose to do that. But I want to make sure that we're staying on the same pace. Do you want to do this tonight? You want to table it? We can bring everything back to you. We want to start making some repairs that we're noted to on the paper. So I just want to show one of the same pace of the average possibility to keep a facility safe. Well that's what we're trying to find out is whether or not we have the responsibility to do it because if it is the water park's responsibility, we don't have an infinite budget. We cannot just be the unsung heroes of KEMA. We need to go to the water board and get them to do what they need to do if they happen to be the ones that are in charge. My suggestion is we take the item and then we bring it back and we have that answer. My understanding in typical cases when people donate the land to you, similar to how the county donated and a virtual lease for 37 acre park that would be our responsibility to maintain it for the civil residents. That's usually how these things work, but if we can just table the item and then bring that information back and then meaning I think that would be good. Looks like on this agenda you have up, it was in 2014, it was a five year lease. So 19, it would have expired. So find that out for sure, and then I wouldn't vote to table until we find that out. Make a motion? Yes. I'm gonna look at the lease. The lease may automatically renew. Who knows? I have motion. I got a second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. We'll get more information in the back. 11-H. Consider impossible actions to approve. A budget amendment to provide funding for the lighting at Wingett's Park. I guess that would be the table. I don't see anyone. Do any emotion? Motion. Second. Second. Motion by Tom, second by Ray. All those in favor? Hi. Item 12, we don't have anything in executive section. Item 14 adjournment. You got a band of go.