Welcome everybody. We'll call this meeting to order and Are there any changes to the agenda or can I look for a motion? Motion a second we have any comment on the agenda and a public comment to the agenda Seeing none all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, like, sign? All right. We'll start with our first item, which is enforcement of school zone speed limits. And. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning, members of the board. Al Samas Transportation Planning Manager for the county. And I'm joined today. Bye. Lieutenant Billy back from Sheriff's Office. And we are here today to present to you on the enforcement of school zone speed limits. So just a quick presentation overview. First thing we have been meeting with the Sheriff's Office a few times since we last presented on May 28th and we have decided to pursue a phased approach if going ahead with this program. The county is ready to advertise an ordinance if approved. Sheriff's Office to lead procurement with a vendor and then a target start date. We had on their January, we're thinking sometime in spring 2025, and then a six-month check-in and board actions at the end. So again, the proposed roll-out, what we're looking at, is to maybe start with one of 17 schools that constitute a heightened safety risk, that would allow the program to start slowly, sort of small, and then build up as able to assess staffing and budgetary needs. And the selection of the one school zone would be based on safety traffic and demographic, including equity data. Just an overview review of the schools that met the heightened safety risk criteria. They're just sort of combined geographically, so I'm not going to name them all. And these are in both the unincorporated county and then the two municipalities for which the Sheriff's Office does law enforcement. That would be Newberry and City of Hawthorne. Yes, yes, yes, additionally, the Archer. So the county to advertise an ordinance staff recommend listing all 17 schools that demonstrate a heightened risk within the ordinance that wouldn't require all of them to be enforced but would allow the county to scale up without going back and revising the ordinance. The ordinance as written also allows a Lattor County Sheriff's Office to enforce at arrival and dismissal times or throughout the school day. So as currently written, it would permit the entirety of the school day from 30 minutes before arrival to 30 minutes after dismissal. That could be changed without again amending the ordinance. Per statute signage must clearly indicate the times of enforcement, so if that changed the signage would need to be updated. It's proposed that Elatria County Sheriff's Office lead procurement and that the county be party to that procurement or so to the agreement and that an interlocal agreement between the county and the Sheriff's Office find the program responsibilities and the funding agreements. So two primary questions before you today are who would be managing the program funds. So for violations there will be a hundred dollar fine associated people who violate the speed limit within the school zone by 11 miles an hour or more will receive a violation a notice of violation for $100 So which entity which charter office would receive those fines and then disperse them per statute And then who would provide customer service for the program? So there'd be a lot of calls in the beginning despite the statutory requirement of 30 days notice and I presume sort of above and beyond outreach that the county would want to do to let everybody know that this program is an effect but there still will be a lot of calls. Probably some requests for hearings and things of that nature. So in essence I think these two questions kind of fit under the umbrella of who owns the program, who's kind of leading and who's in a more support role. So the target start date, spring of 2025, it would be nice theoretically to go at a semester cutoff but it's not required. Again, if there's ample outreach, another junction within the spring time would probably be appropriate. So six-month check-in, we propose a sort of progress report within six months of operating the program to look at number of violations, number of appeals, number of citations, the administrative effort that's required by both Elatria County Sheriff's Office and the county, and then revenue generated. So what we've heard based on sort of lit review and then research talking to communities that have already started such a program is that it is revenue neutral or slightly revenue positive. So we'd want to check in and see how that's going. And then at that point, discuss staffing and budgetary needs. Would, you know, the county want to scale up the program, keep it as is for a while, and then discuss program expansion. So the board actions are two to proceed with advertising the ordinance as drafted related to the enforcement of school zone speed limits and then to direct staff to drafting interlocal agreement between county and sheriff's office regarding program responsibilities and funding agreements. And with that, Lieutenant Beck and I are available for any questions. All right. Thank you. Commissioner Cornel. Okay. Thank you for the presentation. I was just going to, I was briefed yesterday by staff, so I'll just go through and give my thoughts, which are subject to change, Sheriff, based on what you say. And obviously listening to my colleagues. On the six month check-in, you know, from my perspective, the sole purpose of doing this is safety. I really don't want to create a revenue generating thing on our citizens. I want to create a change of behavior if there is a need. So I would like to add one, two, three, four, five, a sixth item, which is safety data. You know, if we're taking one of the places where there was a lot of safety issues, how does that compare on the trial? So that would be one comment. I wanted it to be revenue neutral based on what the vendor represented. And I don't want to impose anything on our share of support. With regards to the management of the program, I believe it should fall with ASO if they're willing to take it and with regards to customer service, ASO and a combination of the board. I think from the standpoint of public awareness and rolling it out, I think Mark and his group can do a really good job on the front end along with the Sheriff's Department PIO. I think going together, we're bringing it forward, but I would ask that the sheriff kind of take the lead on the program. And I like the start slow, one school, two schools, see how it works, pause, and then roll it out. So I have no problems with that. So all of my comments, I certainly can change my mind if given additional little data. Thank you, Mountcher. Thank you. Commissioner Prissy. Oh, yeah. I guess. I know. I forget to work. My question is revolving around the, I'm with you. I mean, this is a safety initiative. I guess for me, it seems to make sense that the money runs through the clerk the way all our money does and that the money then gets allocated to the sheriff so that if there are ever revenues we could dedicate those revenues to additional safety improvements around those schools. Like we could enhance crosswalks or we could increase lighted crosswalks or sidewalk improvements like that we could dedicate that funding to be able to do something that directly addresses the same issue that we're trying to achieve. I mean ideally it would be revenue neutral because we don't want to be able to do something that directly addresses the same issue that we're trying to achieve. I mean, ideally, it would be revenue neutral because we don't want to be raising a bunch of money on the taxpayers' backs just because they're running these lights. But if they are, I feel like we should dedicate that money to safety improvements around the schools. And my only other comment is I like the idea of rolling it out slow and trying it and seeing how it goes because I Do anticipate this is probably going to be a pretty heavy lift for us at least initially at both the sheriff's office in our our County office with phone calls and frustrated people so I'd like to roll it out slow and so that we understand what we're getting ourselves into Do we have a plan for the magistrate and how we would handle hearings currently? Hello, sir. Madam Chair. Yes. Yeah, I'm Ergeny Sherp. So a couple of things, I'm glad you asked that because we're gonna be an enforcement agency. We need someone else to be the magistrate side. Makes logical sense. We suggest code enforcement, but I think that's something as a commission. on your must decide, but we should not be that agent as far as the hearings goes. We've had some extensive discussions where clerk's office was involved. It is a big financial piece on them where none of this revenue is scheduled to go to them. So I think you're gonna have to have that conversation with the clerk, obviously we're regular traffic citations that find structure. Some of that money goes to the clerk which allows them to pay for the extra staff. This does not. So I think that's a discussion that you're going to ask the clerk to do that to get us all figured out how their staff is going to do, but none of that revenue. Anyone else in the transportation planning manager? Again, just on the issue of the magistraterate That is something that we've talked about potentially hiring for time magistrate within the codes department and It probably be one day a month probably like an eight hour day And it may be helpful also for them to cover other sort of magistrate needs within the county So I guess to that end you know know, there are costs associated with this. It sounds like that that aren't going to be covered by the revenue or so when we say revenue neutral, you're talking about revenue neutral in the field, not revenue neutral total because the accounting and the magistrate wouldn't be covered for that with those monies. Unequivocally and quite frankly, that's why we want to roll slow. We aren't sure what it's going to do with our staff. We talked to some other agencies who started this already, Lieutenant Beck has. I have some concerns about, even though, because we have to review every single one of these, Craig Franklin, that if they do go before I imagine it is an additional work on it. So we're a little concerned about staff time as well. I agree. It's a safety issue. It may be a safety issue where the county want to pick up any additional expenses, but there may be some beyond what this hundred dollars going to bring in. We simply do not know yet. Can I ask you a question? Do you think that the cost of this based on the conversations that you had is higher than you all just stepping up enforcement of our school zones around the county? Oh, I am from a cost perspective. Obviously, it's going to cost us more for what we're paying and equipment and all those things. We've got to do that. And there was, I mentioned, we may not recall some time back, that we'll be coming back to the commission at some point talking about our traffic unit, which is down to only four deputies now. We did not do that in the 2425 because we've got other issues to address. But I anticipate in 2526, able to have a presentation today. But that program will surely cost you more. We're still going to need that program. I think these cameras are helping the schools zones, but we have speeding problems all over this county that we must address. Great. Thank you. Commissioner Wheeler. Tell me again the community that you all were looking at that had implemented this. I can't remember who it was. The use of Florida is the giddy pig for the state of Florida. They were operational first and so they've been operating since April of last year. And so through the summer and then into the fall. And they've just added their second school zone location. And they started out with a. Started out pretty busy and then at this point people are learning that there are consequences for speeding through those areas. Yeah, every program that we've spoken with there's a definite learning curve and then people, there's a certain percentage that can, you know, kind of maintain throughout the program but a lot of the speeding does drop off. See, this is from what I heard in the presentation yesterday too. You know, our sheriff is having a hard time stepping positions to take care of things and to add one more layer of it. You know, unless we can find a way to address it outside of either of our agencies. You know, we use it using the agencies, but at the same time, if we have a different court system or a different hearing place for hearing because it'll be challenges as well. It's not gonna be the idea that one person is gonna go in and pay that fine without challenges, which is gonna be time consuming as well. You know, so I understand the concerns from both sides, as what I'm saying. If there's some clever way that we can establish another pot or another lane for us to address this for the time being until we actually see and to we actually see what the impact is gonna be I guess so explain to me what the revenue neutral means then if a hundred dollars a fine does not cover the Magistrate and it does not cover administration of the program. Yeah, so I was going to hit on that So it's a hundred dollar fine. I don't think I brought it's in the agenda item It's I don't think I brought but 20 dollars the agenda item. It says I don't think I brought. But $20 of that goes to the State Department of Revenue. $3 of that goes to law enforcement training at the state. $60 of that goes to local program administration. I think 12 to the school guard, OK, to the school board. 5 to the school guard okay to the school board five to the school guard crossing program So 65 dollars goes generally to a law enforcement office that both would administer the program The vendor would have to have a cut of that as well And then oftentimes they are the ones Managing the school guard crossing programs as well May may I follow- I just wanted to finish up with that because you know I told you my concern about the school board not in that third leg of this stool and why would the $12 go to the school board? It's to make school area related safety improvements is my understanding? I have a thousand seconds to order. Oh, it's statutory. It's statutory, yeah. OK, all right. Now, I just, if the school board, is a part of this formula, I was looking for some input from the school board too in terms of what their buying would be for all of this as well, guys. And I am. Okay, I'm through. That's my question. If I can jump in, Ken, before I go to you, did anyone else here speak with vendors that are providing this program? Yes, I did. I did. Okay. Yeah, I spent a good bit of time with them. And my understanding is that, you know, some of the things that we're concerned about, they are very much involved in including the public awareness campaigns, reviewing of the footage, in terms of challenges to the tickets. Everything is on camera, so it's very difficult for people to challenge, so they seem to have a pretty good model that have worked in other places from what I understand. Personally, I feel like this is the sheriff's job. Obviously, I feel like law enforcement should be the sheriff's job, not our job. But anything, if this is a program that I understood, our only role here was to implement the ordinance to allow the sheriff to utilize this program that was passed by the legislature to make it easier for you guys to enforce speed limits in places where you know you don't have this personnel to do it. I'm a little actually surprised that we want to roll it out slow because the vendors, you know, they have a plan and they've been, they've talked about how they would do it, which means they would go in and they would look at all of our school zones, they would look, set up traffic counters, they would set out speed controls and they would say, here are some places we would recommend starting and they would present us with a rollout plan, which I thought was actually really time saving for us and a really good idea. So why wouldn't we go that way? So ma'am, talking to all, I've talked to about four different vendors and probably 38 different agencies. The vendor presents, yes, that clear cut picture, but the practicality when it goes into working it, they give us a speed study. We then take the speed study, we crunch it together with our track of violations, our own internal information and everything. They're reviewing of it. Yes, they can review it, but they have to send it to us and we have to verify that yes, that is a review. It's a check and balance thing. And it's required on the statute to do that. Then we can go ahead and send the individual. Then we send back that little click of yes, that it is a time when our school zones are in, like during the hurricanes, our school zones are activated. So anybody that went speeding through at that time, we would have to click no, it's not a violation because schools weren't in and everything. This is why we have to do that, check some balance because they don't know what else going on with all the 67 school zones they're going on at one time. Once they get it then they send the violation out to the registered owner and say hey you're in violation of your county ordinance for speeding through school zone that is us as the sheriff's office saying yes it is verified that the school zones were up and operating at that time. Then if the person has 30 days from there to get with the magistrate, if the magistrate doesn't, if they choose not to or choose to ignore it, that's when it then turns into a UTC and that's when the clerk of the court actually does get funds under the Florida State Statue of how the clerk's office is broke down. But as long as it stays and if they go before the magistrate and the magistrate, when he gets it, he gets a packet from us via the company with the picture of the violation, the time of the violation, it has the calibration that was last done on the LiDAR, which is the speed detection system inside the camera and everything. I hope I can give you all a bunch of information at one point. No, it all sounds like a pretty nice little package. It is a nice package, but there's still the leg work that we have to do on our sides. We still have to have our magistrate be there to have someone to go and say, I don't agree with this. And the magistrate says that we violate the ordinance or did we not violate the ordinance. We still have to have the personnel who sits there and watches and does that double check that the company's already vet it once to ensure that yes, it's not stolen tag, it's not stolen vehicle, it was done during the time that school zones. So there is still labor and tense, unfortunately that we have on our side. I mean, you know, to me this seems so much cheaper than having a deputy and it is your job to enforce the speed limit. So we're trying to make it easier. So I'm sorry, I just don't see this being like such a heavy lift. I just don't. But I mean, that's just me. I guess I hear all day long, you know, I drove for three school zones this morning. There are people speeding in every single one of them. Every single one. Hey, Mitch, I want to take a look. It's extremely heavy. Yeah. We're saying there's some mandatory things that must be done. I agree with that. But Lieutenant just mentioned one. Let me mention another. emergency vehicle goes through there and it's an emergency. The camera's not going to know that it's going to issue a citation. The officer's got to look at it and said that's a legitimate. Well that's what the vendor does. Vendor looks at it and says that's an ambulance. No, we we about to do that because if they enforcement because it's a second step to this as well as out there. Yeah and I understand that but I just don't feel like that's going to be you know hours and hours and hours a day of work. If you get hundreds and hundreds of those it will be so that's the problem and that's why we want to go slow so we can sort of see how the program is going to run. I suspect we know about the numbers, how many thousands have gone through when the vendor did that. So over time, we think it may come down, but we got tons of school zone. We talked about use justice. It's got what? Two, three. One school zone. So we aren't dealing with a city with one school zone. So there's a potential. We simply can't answer those questions for you until you implement it, get some data and come back and if we come back and say we can do this Last cheaper don't know in and more money. We'd be happy to do that But I don't want to take on a burden that we cannot Address adequately when we take it on we got to be prepared to do it. How's high springs managing this? They've had this system in place for a while now, right? Actually, man. They only been running it for about six months now. They started it right after the summer program. I talked to Chief Antoine up there. And he told me that the city actually hired a C-magic straight. I don't know what the cost of that was. They're running the one program. And he is actually taking on the responsibility of it because he doesn't have anybody to do it. And he spends about four hours of his day checking just that one school zone. Okay. And all the other cities and Florida if we only talked to Houston, or did we talk to all the other cities that have implemented this or any of the other cities? So I talked to Laudie because they have the one school zone up there. There's a major up there. The first four hours of his day is to check all the video data that came in For the morning and then he goes and does his major things and then he comes back in the afternoon and re-checks again for about an hour and a half. He says every day Did we talk to any other cities besides Houston, Salison that, is this pretty standard? Is it four hours per school zone? Most of the cities and counties that are trying to get a program up are in the fledgling, not actually operational yet. So when I spoke to Hustis about how much staff time it took, she said it was 30 seconds per violation, and that amounted to about seven hours a month, is what she said, and that worked out in terms of the numbers of violations they had in the 30 seconds. Okay. So that's... Seven hours a month. Seven hours a month, yeah. That's for one school zone. Just one. Yeah. Just a quick point of information. The vendors that I have, well, I've only spoken with one vendor, but then have heard about the sort of temperament of another one as far as the starting slowly versus all 17 school zones at once. They're fine with that. They'd like to do whatever the locals would like and be comfortable with to get a program running. So I think that policy decision is a little bit wall, but that's not a particular sticking point for them. I'm a little bit cranky this morning if you don't have a power for several days. I hope that you'll have a high-pologize in advance. I just got my first hot shower last night. So anyway, Commissioner Cordeaux, I'm sorry, Commissioner Chessnaux. I just want to find out how many actual counties and how many actually cities are actually doing this. From the last count of what I talked to there are approximately 38 cities in counties combined in the state of Florida right now either under contract or starting to implement the two that we were able to gather data from or used us because it's been the longest standing Henry County north of us is getting ready to start one as well as Baker and the way they have their set up is that everything's going through their clerk of the courts up there but they're only talking like one schools on each one and they're smaller counties so I imagine they have smaller budgets to work with and everything. Pine Crest and Miami Dade are up and running but they haven't been able to provide me with any data at this point. Hillsboro just assigned theirs a month or two ago I believe it was. Circello to County is starting one and I'd have to look at my notes to remember all the other ones. In terms of school zones are they just starting out with one or two or three? I mean across the state how is that being done? school zones, are they just starting out with one or two or three? I mean, across the state, how is that being done? Or everyone is just doing one at this point to find out how it works? Yes, sir. That's been not only the recommendations from everybody I've talked to, but it's also been the recommendations from ultimate blue line and red speed that I talked to. All three of those vendors suggested doing one roll out. They say it kind of helps get all the bugs out of the system so to speak because it gives you once you do that one roll out in that six month period that gives you an actual good idea what what type of staffing you're going in and how long it's taken and how much you're really seeing. That's why we go with the one school zone that My opinion is making is the worst one that we can think of based on all the data combined That one's going to give us a good blueprint for how much it would cost to upgrade to the second school zone third one so on and so forth Honestly, ladies and gentlemen until we get that data in and that's why we ask that's why We talked with the county and asked for a six month check-in. It gives us something within the physical year so that we have some knowledge going into the next physical year. If there's going to be a surplus of need for budget. Well, I just want to make the comment that safety is the most important thing to me and protecting the children in terms of those crosswalks. I passed one on 39th and a six street coming into town all the time. And man, that is a dangerous intersection to me. So if anything could help in, and I know people actually speed through there, they're not slowing up. Because they passed me and I'm going 20, so that tells you that, that that. So I'm in support of trying, at least, to see how it works, you know, with one school's own and all that, then it comes back to the board to make a decision, either to do a county wide or whatever it, but I just wanted to get the data to see how it works. And if there arewide or whatever it, but I just wanted to get the data to see how it works. And if there are many challenges to it, then we have to think about that also too in terms of that test period. And so you say you would come back in six months to give us an update? Yes, or that would be the plan once we implement the program. For six months, collect all the data. That way we're able to come back before the board and actually give you a clear picture of where we stand on the program. Okay all right thank you minute. Thank you Commissioner Quarra. Thank you, Madam Chair. So as far as the revenue and the billing who would actually do that would that be or is that a question you're asking us? As far as receiving the funds? Well sending out the bill first of all with the photo so all that gets sent out by the companies by the vendor Yes, sir and the company has will set up an account for a lot of you verify it So they send you the here's the film you verify it check the box then they send out the bill Okay, and then what happens and they'll be given instructions how to pay online or buy a check? So they send you the here's the film you verify it check the box then they send out the bill. Okay, and then what happens and they'll be given instructions how to pay online or buy a check back to them to our account. Okay for the Lachua County and then they every month will cut a check and send it to the county. For then so you can take it and do the dispersal from there for the 60%. So the commission of Prisius Point doesn't go to the clerk or would it go to the sheriff's department? So that was what the sheriff was talking about. We had a meeting with clerk. The clerk's because they're not getting any funding directly from this bill. Well they're getting 60, we're getting $60. But the clerk of the court, he was saying since, like under UTC, he's by statute given X amount of dollars. Since he's not getting that underneath this bill because in this bill they didn't write in the clerk of the court. They just wrote a county revenue. Oh. So that would be- You would fall under the county's, county would be distributing it to the clerk. Yes, sir. Okay. It would fall under the county's, county would be distributing it to the clerk. Yes, sir. OK, so I don't mind that. Jeff, did you have a comment about that? I mean, to me, that seems to be the only thing we're really trying to figure out is the flow of funds. I am indifferent. But if this sheriff has a strong reason of how it should flow, I'd like to hear it. Madam Chair, I just wanted to make the point in terms of the clerks involvement. We'd had a couple of different conversations, and one of them was about really the clerk having to be more directly involved in actually taking individual payments. And there was a concern there, but I think the latest conversations we've had with the vendors is that that is not on the hand of any of the local that's being handled by the vendors. It's really just taking in the one check. Yeah. That's probably not as big a concern. OK, good. Probably more of the public service is the element that in terms of guidance that we were looking for as we go on. So then specifically on your motion, you have a question management of program funds. Tell me what you need direction on that for. Because it sounds like under the statutory allocation, it's pretty, it's pretty set. You know, like the sheriff's gonna get $65. School board's gonna get 12. Department of Revenue will get three and the county will get 20. And that's not accurate. It says county program will cover vendor, sheriff administration and public safety initiatives. So it doesn't, that $60 it's supposed to cover everything. It's supposed to cover the magistrates, supposed to cover whatever the clerks cost are. It's supposed to cover the vendor's fee and it's supposed to cover the sheriff's administration. So $60 covers all of that. Is that the issue of management of program funds? Is it you want us to tell you how to split that? I mean, I think it's where, where does the money go? Where does the $60 go? And it seems like it would make sense since most of the lift is gonna be on the sheriff's office. They're gonna be reviewing the footage. They're gonna be attending testifying at hearings and so far as they're requested. They're gonna be having to draft UTCs when they are converted to send them to the clerk. Those aren't things that the BOCC does. Right. So it seems like it makes more sense for the money to stay with the sheriff. Do they agree? Yeah, to me it seems like the vendor takes their cut. The county would help with the magistrate. That could be a small cut off of that, but most of the work is happening within the Sheriff's Office. Yeah, so I totally agree with that. So Commissioner Prisiem, do you agree or do you? I do, I just don't understand why are we even having this conversation. It feels like I'm just confused why we're having. Do you want to do this program, Sheriff? I think the program has program have merits commission. We just need to go slow. Okay. We can fully vet and figure out what is going to cost us. But absolutely. So I was I was an add-ons and make a point. But since I'm up here, I'll tell you that. We also have to pay the vendor out at $60. So so we don't get the whole $60. So there's a vendor cost. Right. the whole $60, so there's a vendor cost. There comes as well. And I think we probably will know before we get into the contract what that cost is. But beyond that, total revenue, total cost, I can't tell you. We think we got an idea, but we're gonna have to try to program and figure that out. Okay, so that's like we're all on the same page on that. So, Allison, other question then is customer service of program. What do you need from us on that? Because to me, again, that would fall on the people that are there. Yes, this is your car. Yes, you did write the ticket. It's got to be joined. It's not about that. But we can work that out. I'm not as worried about that piece of it. I think the PIOs, respect to PIOs, can work out how are we going to do that. Obviously, in the statute, there's some requirements of how we got to do it and inform folks. I think we can work through that jointly. OK, I would move that thing. My big deal is that we can't be to manage straight. Got it. Yeah, I got that. I would move, that's right. We're going to be a phone number on the notice of violations. So who's going to receive the calls? and Sheriff. Yeah. Is that okay? Well, I mean, you verified it. So this is your car. We verified it. Pay your bill, you know. Yeah. So. Is it going to have the will? It's only going to be bad for the first. Yeah, we can work through it. I mean, I think there's, I think you just actually shows there's a huge need. If Allison's point is correct, which is 840 pictures a month, which is 120. One schools on. For one school's on, time seven hours, that's 840. If that's correct, and if our anecdotal data is correct, there's a huge need. It's undercooked and approved safety. We don't disagree with that. And to Commissioner Prisya and the Commissioner Alfred's point, it's cheaper than manning people and this will kind of streamline the process and if we start slow so we don't put you all in a bind and we're not the first county there's 38 other cities and counties that we can learn from. I think it makes a lot of sense and I appreciate your willingness to kind of try it with us. We can current, I mean obviously they're at 4 down the road so they can't give us good answer to this either. So everybody in this, because it's a little bit more. We'll be part of that data. And you know, I personally know the commissioners of Miami-Dade Hills, where it's here, so does so. We'll have a lot more data in six months. Well, we were talking to them as well. that's if we take the calls that's more staff time away from things we do now which you should reimburse for exactly so we're something saying we got to go slow we got to figure out what it is and then we can come back to you and say okay here's what it's costing so here's what I need if there's additional calls it may not be but if there are we come back we have that discussion okay your your your neck your neck stone speaker okay the question I have is, does that mean we would keep flashing lights on all day at each of these school sites? No. The way to statuaries. The lower people going to know that the school zone is still off limits during that daytime. Well, this is why I don't want to do the entire day. I want to start for 30 minutes before and 30 after, but the statute provides for the fact that it's still a school zone. So it's the regular speed limit in that school zone when the lights are off, that when they're 11 miles over, that we call some a problem. But I don't want to start there. They already have the equipment there. So if somebody's going 11 miles an hour with a speed limit and speed limit's 35, they can still get the ticket. And quite frankly, in the area of a school, people should be following speed limit anyway, whether the lights flashing or not. Yeah, period. If that helps commission, yeah, don't be the school speed once the lights off, it'd be the reggae speed at that point. OK. Can be enforced all day. I don't want to start there. I think you ought to write the ordinance if you're going to do it, given the authority to do it and allow me to implement as we go those next steps in those pieces. I don't know if it was a misstatement or thinking to give us one. I don't want to do that. I don't know where this is going to do it for all of it. Allow us as the implement and agency to take our time and implement as we go. That way we want to come back and change your ordinance. I started with the easy question. My second question is this, if we cannot connect, collect these fines, what are the consequences? Do we put people in jail? Do it? What do we do if they are not paying their fines? So that's what the lieutenant and Allison is referring to. If they do not pay that fine, then it turns into a regular citation that we'll have to write, just like if we actually saw it ourselves and they become a uniform traffic citation where points can go into the driver's license and it does end up in the regular court system. So there's a consequences that they don't pay the civil fine and it goes to in that process. All right. Thank you. All right. I have I have just a couple more questions for we go to public comment. So when when somebody gets a notice of violation is it going to say a lot of county sheriff's departments somewhere on that notice of violation? That questions come up commissioners gonna say a lot of county board of county commissioners This is gonna say no it is not You are the law enforcement It's your ordinance ma'am, but All of the ordinances are our Exactly, but we're you enforcement piece of that on there but we think starting off from what we can turn the size the best way to do it we will work through it like anything else I think we can we can handle as it goes but we got to start somewhere. I think it should have both of our logos on there. We can have that discussion another time. Well I yeah well we'll see who's sheriff in a year but but I do think that, or at six months, but I do think that it, you know, you were law enforcement and this is about enforcing a law. And, you know, we, you know, this isn't a code enforcement issue. This doesn't say a lot of county code enforcement. I'm sorry, that's something I feel strongly about. The second thing I wanted to say, what ask was, so when we write the ordinance, you're talking about only enforcing it during school zone speed limit times. Our ordinance is gonna allow for enforcement at any time that school is in place correct. We're just gonna start with enforcing it during the school zone flashing light time. Correct? That's what I suggest to you. All right. And so one of the things that I'm concerned about in order and tracking costs and figuring out compensation and things like that is that if we start out very limited, I think if I'm the vendor, I'm gonna have a higher cost. There's an economy of scale. And the vendor, if the vendor has more speed limit enforcement zones, if there's longer hours and enforcement, then their profit goes up. And so if we start small small then I think the vendor cost is going to be higher therefore your cost will you know there won't be as much of that fine for the sheriff's department. Well I'll let the lieutenant address that but I understand he is it's going to be a set cost set in the contract so that's just going to be set per citation. Right but I think the contract if I'm writing that contract and I'm the vendor and I don't know that you guys are going to expand the program I'm going to write in a higher vendor cost well then I won't select that vendor Commissioner will handle that at that point I just think it needs to be clear the discussion has been is that we will negotiate that in the contract and we'll give you that cost okay I just want to make sure that that that it's clear that that that would be that there would be an expansion and that it being a contract. Okay. I look forward to reading that. Okay. Yes, ma'am. Talking to the different companies, they all say that that standard form right then to contract to do a phase roll out. Okay. Good. And they don't put specific numbers of what you do. That way we have the freedom to do one than two or one and three or however we feel that we can handle them. Okay good All right, I'm just just a little worried about him being Good, yeah All right Any further Comments for the president my only comment is that I would ask that if if you do decide to enforce it throughout the day That obviously through the ordinance I'd be your prerogative, but we would appreciate the heads up prior to any implementation of that full scale just because I think the public relations component of that will be important. And another rollout, if you will, will be important. So it would be great to just get that heads up if you decide to expand enforcement in order to try to lower some Because I know a lot of these are on really busy roads So it's a maybe it's a great way for us to get everyone to slow down in general, but just It would be great to know ahead of time Well taken commission and I would think in the last year my work in with you would be obvious That's what I would do and when I am sure if next year we'll do that for you. Excellent, thank you. The vendor does take a lot of responsibility for notification and flashing signs, or at least the ones that I talk to. I talked to two different builders. Yes, ma'am. When we first get ready to initialize it into a school zone, they will work with the PIOs and everything to get the signage out, get all the media platforms, radio, television, and get flyers to the actual school that can be taken home with the kids to let the parents know and so on and so forth. That's part of the contract, too, is that they do that. I tell you the most, do we have them? Yeah, we do have a mission. I did also want to say I spoke to two school board members, and they both were in support of this program, fully in support of it, fully in support of it. So I did appreciate that. Chris, are we doing? I'm just very quickly to the research you've done with the other agencies that are doing this program are. We're talking about letter heads or symbols or you know that would combine Sheriff with County and that's you know a discussion that you know has got a little discussion going on here now. What are the other counties or cities doing in terms of who is actually rolling this out? Is it coming from the County or the city or the sheriff? As far as the sheriff's offices themselves, it's a combined. They are combined. Commission in the sheriff's office and it goes both ways. Some the sheriff's leading procurement, some the county commission's leading procurement. It depends on which county you're dealing with. As far as what's on the citation itself, I can call around to ask and get those answers back to you. I was just curious, because it seems to be a bit of an issue here, and I'm just trying to understand maybe why, or what others were doing as well, because our chair is obviously very passionate about this, but I'm a little bit more diplomatic. And there's several of them. Everything I'm not diplomatic. I'm just saying you're passionate and that you're speaking for a board here you know you know with your opinion and I just want to make sure that the other opinions up here you know are also filtered in to you as we work together to make this happen. Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. Cordell. Well I was just also going to make that same point. You know I don't view this as a bad thing. I mean and hopefully the sheriff I hope we are on the exact same side of the table. I mean in reading the ordinance. O says speed violations in school zones in the unacorporated of the county are rampant. With the Elastra County Sheriff's Office issuing 230 citations for speeding in the school zone in the last year alone. And it further goes on to say under the determination of heightened safety risk that the following 17 schools installed constitute a heightened safety risk that warrants additional enforcement issues. So I think we really should be on the exact same side of the table. I have no problem if you need or you desire to have our logo next to yours. But certainly it should be both at the very least. And it's for safety. We are attempting to do this to try to protect our kids, which you care just as much about as we do. So I hope that this actually doesn't become an issue. I hope it actually becomes something that both agencies, along with which ever vendor is going to work with us, which I'm going to heavily rely on you, Sheriff. And the public information campaign prior, during, and while it's going on, is about our kids. There is nothing, in my mind, more important than the safety of our kids in this county. And I'm proud to have our logo next to yours in enforcing that safety. So with the school board not also be included in the office. School board should engage the else. And they have fun. They're getting funds out of the statute. I mean, again, the legislature, the legislature, the governor thought that this was important enough to enact this legislation so that we could implement it. So that's all we're really doing is trying to protect our kids. So thank you, and I don't know what just happened, but I think we're on the same page on this. We are. I would not recommend we put a school board in that. This is a county in Sherpas office issue. Okay. Maybe just get one. They just get one. I don't understand that. That's it anyway. Yeah, that's just lays that out. I got you. It was an interesting stature. And yeah, but anyway, okay, I see no other comment from the dance will take public comment at this time. Good morning, Cali Blount. I missed a lot of the discussion, but I hope it's been looked into where they're looking at comparable programs of this around the state. If the school board is also kicking in some funds, and it sounds like it seems like a good idea if they're fiscally able. Years long ago in Far Away, this is not a Star Wars story, I worked in a food inspection program in Madison County, Alabama, checking restaurants and something that became very effective in that program was publishing the inspection results and scores in the local paper. It got a lot more compliance. So maybe the verified offenses should be, and we didn't have websites back then. So. You may name calling. Yeah, published the names and offenses in the local paper or on your website. I think that's another strong incentive for people. And if repeat offenders maybe they should have us have to put a sticker on the back of their front window. I'm a school's own speeder. Something to make people feel really bad, more than just money about doing that. Thank you. Thank you, Kelly. Mr. Mayor, just that, just briefly. When we write uniform traffic citation that goes to the driver, these citations go to the owner of the car. So a kid can drive it. Some of us can drive it. So no, I don't want to public shame people who may own the car, but they aren't driving the car. Additional public comment. Do we have any further public comment on this issue? All right, seeing none. Let's bring it back to the board. Any further comment for the board? All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, like, sign? All right. So I think it does. Did you have anything else? Okay. Thank you Sheriff. Thank you We'll get to see the interlocutor All right item two Update on farm worker housing assignment. Okay. Not feeling good today. Good morning commissioners. Made a bank tar with the Latchwood County Growth Management Department. And this item today is an update on farm worker housing code. Now possible ULDC amendment. The existing code for farm worker housing can be found in section 40419 of the Land Development Code. And right now it requires a special exception approval. Housing can be either permanent or with site with cypillot homes or with mobile homes If mobile homes are the choice of unit that can exceed density As it is a special exception the County Commission can place conditions on the approval background as to why we're bringing this to you in 2022 the background as to why we're bringing this to you in 2022. The first farm worker housing application for quite a while came to our attention. It was for an island grove farm, the blueberry farm. So during that special exception approval process, we really needed to take a look at what our code, existing code had, and then following that approval, this board asked our staff to look at issues related to this use and have a community engagement. So that following that approval, we did that and there was another meeting in November of last year where we continued our community engagement. So a small working group, composed of staff from the Growth Management Department and others met with stakeholders, including small farmers. A couple of the groups we met with, the Ruleural Women's Health Project and Farm Worker Association of Florida. So over these discussions, we compiled information, some feedback from these groups to help inform us as to possible revisions to the code. One of the things that we took on was considering the farm worker housing issue in the larger context of the county's housing plans and related social services. So one of the ideas was that a lot of times when the houses are on site, they're isolated and those farm workers don't have access to a lot of the daily things they need, you know, the services and those sorts of things and service rich area might help to address. During this time, the Florida legislature actually passed a bill to preempt local governments from regulating farm worker housing. This was sent in Bill 1082. It prevents cities or counties from inhibiting construction of housing for farm workers. That bill had standards where the farm worker housing had to meet health standards for the states to farm to health, setbacks, screening, and building separation, and the housing removal provisions. So based on that bill, special exception would no longer be approved, it would be allowed as a limited use. And dorms, barracks, those kind of bunk houses that you might be familiar with would be allowed. However, in late June, Governor DeSantis vetoed that. So we are now continuing with our effort on possible code amendment. So this flow chart here is quite verbose but it kind of gives in a flow of what the the process is now. The top third is based on determining the eligibility and the type of unit for farmer warehousing. So once we determine that you're eligible and what kind of units you're going to have, then we can begin the special exception approval process. So once that goes through our review and planning commission, then the Board of County Commission can approve that special exception or deny it and set conditions. And then the last step would be a development plan approval with enforcement of the conditions and possible inspections to ensure that the farm river housing is adequate. So upon our discussions with those groups and stakeholders, we came up with some possible code amendments. Right now, a lot of these bullet points you see are not part, they're not necessarily set in our code. They would have to be special exception approval conditions, but we could include this as part of our standard code. So that would include setting minimum, maximum number of bedrooms, so the barrack style would not be allowed. Maximum number of residents in a bedroom, so to prevent overcrowding, we could set a limit. Minimum square foot per resident, air conditioning, requiring setbacks for many hazardous chemicals that might be on site, laundry facilities, allowing visitors access that's been an issue identified from our advocacy groups that some of these farm workers are not permitted to have visitors freely, allowing for inspections and requiring a development plan to be approved. So our strike through and underline right now, we have shown here on this slide in the next slide and the bulk of the changes will be on this slide. As I mentioned with those bullet points, these are some of the changes will be on this slide. As I mentioned with those bullet points, these are some of the proposed changes that we're looking at to the farmer's housing. So at this point, we are looking to amend that 40419 and also to amend definition for dwelling unit, which would, this should actually, the one family should be struck and then a single, single housekeeping unit would reflect more accurately what our notion of a unit dwelling unit is and not emphasizing so heavily on the family, but more of an interactive group of people that are sharing in responsibilities for that residents. That might touch on other parts of our codes, we would have to look at that to see how that would affect how we define DOLing Unit. That is something that we're looking to do as far as this former housing update is to redefine the dwelling unit. So at this point our staff recommendation is to look for direction from you. And we recommend that you authorize us to request to advertise for you able to see a amendment related to firmware browsing. That concludes our presentation. We can take any questions. I wouldn't move that staff recommendation, you guys. It looks really good. No, I'm just for conversation. Then I would use that. Commissioner Prisya? So first of all, thank you. I'm so proud of us for doing this, too. I mean, I really am. I remember when it came forward, the original conversation. And this is a real issue, and it's a real issue for social justice and human rights, but also for our work on agricultural economic development. Because as we continue to support our farmers and continue to grow that part of our accounting's economy, our farmers need to know that they can have quality workforce and be able to know how to do that And I think us having quality workforce housing This is quality workforce housing if it's done right and so I'm excited about this And I want to say I thank you to all the all the teams Dr. Houchin and all of you and Everybody you kind of chipped in on this and and brought the community together because I know a number of the organizations HRC real women Women's Health, Agricultural Justice Project, kind of stepped in to weigh in on a lot of the issues they've seen in the past and in other areas of the state. So, big thank you to everybody who made this happen. I think it's another great example of us doing community engagement, right? And getting on the front end of it, when we're putting together a policy rather than having to be so reactive. I have two quick questions. One is with regards to the air conditioning, just five, a C5. I guess maybe I should say properly sized, operational air conditioning because it's real easy to pop a window unit in and call it a day, but depending on the scale of it, that AC may or may not be able to actually cool the space. So just properly sized for the square footage, maybe in there somehow. And then the only other question I have is I see under G, it talks about the conditions of special centers that include at a minimum provisions for access parking, tree canopy, storm water management, open space, and landscaping standards. It doesn't spell those out. And I don't know. I know our code has lots of provisions for those in different types of spaces, but I just wanted to be sure that these, this housing would in fact have open space for recreation and gathering with shade and is that something we need to spell out in this or is that something that we have treated in other areas of our ULDC that would be referenced here. We could, we do have other instances where open space is required for active open space. So that could be a revision that we make here. Okay, so this one with the, it says it shall include provisions for that, but we don't have any specifics. Not at this time. Okay, I guess I would love to see that added provisions for that but we don't have any specifics. Not at this time. OK. I guess I would love to see that added to the motion then that we include a provision for outdoor areas for gathering and recreation with shade as a part of what we're asking to be included with this housing. Because oftentimes they're very small. I know we have 100 square feet, that's not very big. So having outdoor space where they could play a small game of soccer or have some picnic tables, eat outdoors, I think, and having some shade to gather under, especially after a hot day in the field, it's really important. Other than that, I really, really appreciate all the work. All right. Thank you, Commissioner Baker. I should make her okay with that. Of course. Yes. I would question though. If we put too many requirements on these, does it make it harder than for the people who are actually building these? We're talking about buildings that are being put on site for farmers who are using this. Farm workers. Farm workers, but who's building it? The farmer. Right. That's what I'm saying. I just, you know, if that would cut down on their ability to provide enough housing for everyone, if there's the lot sizes or the size of the property that they're using, would restrict any of that to the point where. Then they could rent housing in our community that does have it. I mean they don't have to build farm worker housing. They can choose to rent farm worker housing or provide farm worker housing in some other way. This is I mean if they're going to go through the trouble of building it I would hope that they would want to build something that would allow people to have. Yeah like and I'm not talking about like a giant you know not like a neighborhood's open space requirements, but just some things so that they have outdoor space, a yard to hang out in. And with you on that, it's just if the list gets too long in terms of requirements of what it would be take to be able to get these in place, you know, and there's no way that they could rent housing and we can't even afford the housing rent also. They're putting them up in hotels now actually. No, I understand. Yeah, I understand that. So are you worried to mention? No, just in terms of having too many requirements. Well, yeah, you're worried there'd be unintended consequences to the requirement. Is that something that you guys have discussed? Yeah. And as a fact, the island growth housing hasn't been built at this time. So we are cognizant of any unintended consequences. OK. All right. Well, I'm fine with putting it in there. But I just did not want it to be a reason that people wouldn't bill. I guess I feel like the requirements that staff have put in here aren't undue requirements. The requirements that to me feel like adequate housing standards, and if they can't meet these standards, then they shouldn't be providing housing. I guess that's where I'm at, it's sort of like that. I get what you're saying. I don't want to limit our farmer's ability to be able to bring in qualified workforce, but I want us to be known as a place that's treating our workforce really well and that's taking care of our workforce and that isn't trying to cut corners in housing in order to be able to have the workforce that we need. And so I think we have to draw that line somewhere. And I feel like these are pretty limited in terms, I mean they're just sort of a basic apartment, a basic dwelling space. I don't think we have anything on here that's like really stress stretching it. But you're talking about adding to it and that's that's all I was saying that you add the more we have conditions from the specialization shall include provisions for access parking, tree canopy, stormwater management, open space, and landscaping. So they have it that they'll be added, but doesn't say what they are. So I'm just asking staff to bring back a specific condition. So that we know what those are specifically around the open space and outdoor space that we would know what that is. Good morning. Madam Chair, Christos and Principal Planner for Development Services. I think one of the reasons that we wrote this G like this was that the diversity of potential sites is pretty broad. So I don't think it's as cut and dry as our subdivision regulations or our multifamily standards. Every one of these sites might be different. Some of them, you might bring in a site that has no existing tree canopy because it's part of a farm. Some of them, they might come in and they're in a more wooded area that's adjacent to a farm. Those may require different kinds of standards that go along with them. I think what we wanted to do was say when an application for one of these comes in, you need to address these things in relation to your specific site and staff will make a recommend to review and a recommendation to the board. And these are things that need to be addressed as part of an application. So I'm somewhat hesitant to provide really specific standards for each of these For all applications and more just as here are the things that are going to be addressed in a special exception when it comes over the board So I think that's kind of the reason that we we wrote G the way we did yeah So the I heard emotion and I heard this is what I heard tell me if I'm wrong to the seconder that under five it would say each C5 each dwelling unit shall have and appropriately sized Operation air conditioning system. And then under G. Or under, it could be under C7, whatever it is, I would just say each joint space will have reasonable open space accommodations for recreation and gathering. Yeah, and then under G something I said within an appropriate shaded area for the residents. Is that what you're looking for? And is the maker of the Mosher okay with that? Under G? Or Chris, do we not need that? I was not being covered. My eyes are not seeing as good as they should. The G right now says the conditions of the, and Chris says it was written in a way to give staff the ability to understand the site. Because the conditions of the special exception shall include, at a minimum, provisions for access, parking, tree canopy, storm water management, open space, and landscaping standards. Is that not what we're talking about? Well, I think Mr. Prisya wanted to make sure that there was an appropriate shade in there. We have some kind of a minimum standard for open space for each dwelling unit. There is some minimum standard. They have to have some open space. So there's a picnic table outside that they have a little patio, that they have some access to outdoor recreational space in addition to the indoor dwelling space that they have. Can it be shared? Like, they could build this up against a farm field right now. Per this will weigh that it's written and they could call the farm field open space because there's nothing else there but that doesn't really allow I mean technically no that's not what staff would do to get me wrong but I mean the way that it's written right now there could be no additional recreational open space in this at all so you could basically step outside your door and there would be a farm field and that would be all that you have. So could we say an appropriate open and recreational space? Yeah, Madam Chair, I think that that what I'm not sure if that covers the concern. I think I think we're hearing what you're asking for. Maybe we can take a stab at how we write that. And then and then bring that back when when we. Oh, sure where I'd want to put that I guess just in terms of establishing that because I can see that it could work kind of either way you can have a shared space you could have it per unit whatever that is but let us maybe we can just take a stab and see how we can get to that and we'll bring it back when the when the public hearing and that was my motion was just to let staff take it staff staff to include them Would that not though be a discussion that we would have when the project would be brought before the board? Yeah, so madam chair. I think certainly, you know part of this is going to be you know We have some very specific conditions about the unit themselves, but then these other areas might be differing depending on the application. Some of them you, you know, maybe an applicant is proposing to provide all the transportation for the farm workers, and so maybe you don't need as much parking. Maybe you need more parking because you're not providing any transportation for them. And so they need to have vehicles there. So I think those are the kinds of things where each of these is a sort of unique implementation. And so yes, they would happen at the board. What I'm understanding the request to be is that recreation is one of the things that the board would find to be important. So we need to identify that somewhere in our code so an applicant knows that they're going to have to address that somehow. What I don't want is that every time a farmer comes that they've come up with a plan and then we tell them, oh, but we also want you to do this. I'm trying to leave less ambiguity. So in some instances, there's things like landscaping standards that we can be super flexible on. Like you said, there might be a broad open field. We can't expect them to have mature canopy trees if they're in a watermelon field. But I just want them to know up front that we're going to expect that there recreational area around this housing so that they know that up front when they're thinking about where to site it. So it's not arbitrary for them and it's not you know and that they bring when they bring their plan they've already thought about that so it's not something they have to go back and redo right that that's sort of in there there's gonna be a minimum this minimum standard maybe that they want more than that or maybe that they propose less because of their site constrictions and that's why the special exception and they can say we want a condition that we're going to you know not do that and here's why and they can tell us why but in general we basically are letting them know up front. I think the more we tell people up front the easier it is for them to meet our conditions and not be like well I thought that I was doing that with X or I thought that I was doing that with Y. I see my thought is that would be a deterrent that would keep you know the more requirements that are listed there that would be something that that someone would blow off and not do. They blow it off as per minimum open space and a farm. No but you you understand what I'm saying. It's you know you know people are funny about all having that being dictated to as to how they can actually develop their own property for their workers that they know better than the county of the state does. That's all. If you really feel like that that's not going to be a deterrent, then I don't have a problem with the change in the, and that I just feel like this was pretty straightforward and easily managed by the board coming in. I'm not wedded to any other. I'm just glad to know that we're doing this, period. All right. Do we have any public comment to the motion? Hello again. Housing authorities talk about two heartbeats per bedroom so I'm glad you have that in there. Nothing mentions whether these units are furnished or un furnished. I don't know if beds are provided. Then I have this imagining of, you know, there's a lot of farm work, immigrant work families. And I imagine the idea of, you know, four little kids on one twin mattress that does that get addressed in any kind of way. Oh, and well, you already talked about tree canopy, you know, some farm areas are totally clear to all trees. So people need an option where they can set up just some kind of structure with a shade on here. Thank you. Thank you, Cully. Do I have any further public comment? All right. Same none. Any further board comment? What are we clear on the motion now? That we are adding Oh, I see okay, the new wording based on what they think about where it goes and where the best okay All right, sir. Base girl clear on the motion all right all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye Hi any post-like sign Okay, motion carries and I'm going to vote by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, like, sign? OK. Motion carries. And we'll now move on to General Public Comment. Do you have any general public comment? I want to invite you all to an event coming up on Saturday, October 12th, from noon to six at the G Tech Center. There will be a multi-faceted event on the Black community and mental health. And there will be multiple vendors and displays. There'll be chair massages. There'll be some food. There'll be lots of good attractive things at this event, but the issue will be delved into very much. So I hope you can all come and bring your mental health with you. We'll spiff it up and I need some today Cully what time was that? Did noon to six Saturday, October 12th had G-Tech Thank you. Thank you that that's exciting All right any further public comment All right any commission comment at this time I do like oh if Am I not supposed to? No, you better wait. Okay. Okay. I got a call from Iris Bailey a little while ago who blew a tire out on 235 pot hole punctured her tire on the way to Mavane Middle School. So she had to hitch a ride and I'm just wondering if, do we still compensate for broken tires on our road? We never have. We never have done that. OK, somehow the word got out there into the community that that was something that we might do. OK. We do ask people to let risk management though, right? There we go. Madam Chair, people are free to make claims with risk, but we don't typically deal with that type of claim. And as far as potholes, we do ask that they let us know and public works know and we also have a general submit information on our website which could be there's a pothole or could be anything about what they're unhappy about or happy about sometimes it's what they're happy about. Sometimes it's what they're happy about. Or RB maintenance at electricheli.com, which is the road and bridge. What is it now? RB maintenance at electricheli.com. That's our color. Are you saying RB or RB for roads and bridge? Okay. Okay. And then August and high springs yesterday for quite a while. That's why I looked like I was running around in the rain. But there are still a lot of power outages up there. Duke is on it. Clay. Florida power and light. Some people serve archer. It's not getting all of there, not all on either. But I've talked to the Duke people. I've got a contact for clay folks just to kind of get a sense of when the electric is coming back on. That stretch of road between a lacrosse and a lacway is still out. High Springs businesses have lost a lot of food up in that area because of the restaurants. Also there's a meat processor up there who's lost. We're going to try to get our FEMA contact to make sure that the mayor knows and maybe can set up something in high springs for people to talk about because there's a lot, a lot of loss. And as a result of that loss, there are a lot of people who don't have food because the electric is still out, has been some got back yesterday. So I don't know if, and I was going to talk to Adam Joy, I haven't been able to connect with him for some reason. Our phones are not connecting about setting up a suit kitchen if we needed to up there or get a red of the mighty up there or get farm share in here quickly because folks have lost food and don't have access to finances to get it back. Also, lineman, I talked to up there. There was a couple of young men who were from Louisiana who were working on the lines up there. They are having to travel back to Perry for housing. And we have access to Cusco Willa that will house 40. And Gina's already approved it. Jamie has already approved it. We just have to make sure that Stacy can get that word to Duke. They're working for Duke, they're contracting with Duke. So down the road, it wouldn't hurt for us to have, you know, Al Duke. They're contracting with Duke. So down the road, it wouldn't hurt for us to have, you know, Alino State Park is right there too. We have Haynes Prairie. I don't know if there's some way that we can coordinate a response for these people coming in, the lineman who are coming in and disaster times like this, that we have a plan in place that we can house folks who are working in our area, in our area, because the lineman that I talked to yesterday are putting in a full day's work here, rain or shine yesterday it was rain, and then having to drive an hour and such back over to Perry and then come back because of housing shortages. We have hotels. We have hotels, but I think there's a limit from what I understand in a particular in Gainesville. They could only be housed there through the week. They couldn't get the two weeks that they were... Madam Chair, if I might, it is a home game weekend. Our hotels are pretty much sold out from Friday to Sunday. And so they're already reserved in some cases prepaid so that's the difficulty we may have rooms available but they have to leave by Friday. That's to check out on Friday. We're just you know we have pains prayer we have there's a Lino State Park that we could coordinate with we can I know when the disasters of tornadoes hitting Kentucky the governor opened up the state parks for the workers, the people who had lost their homes, number one, but had also the workers who are coming into help. So we have public facilities here that we coordinate properly. We should be able to offer housing or at least to park their trucks because these guys were sleeping in their truck. And if there's some way that we could have a plan in place, so when there's people in our area working in our area that we can also house them here, just saying. Yeah, typically the utility does a pretty good job of finding and providing housing for their, you know, the, you know, the, it's called the workers that they bring in. That might be white and parry because they're expected to be working toward that direction. But you wouldn't hurt for us to coordinate. No, I agree that making Cusco will available is not a bad idea at all. Yeah, I love the idea of making Cusco will available. I think every storm is going to be different in terms of the impacts to different parts or different places. And if, but I love the idea of at least having a plan in place to coordinate with any open spaces that we have for that are publicly owned and housing available for workers and first responders that are here to help. Good. Good. I'm good with that. All right. I think that's what I've got. Do we need a most very thing for that or is that fine? I'm looking. Do we need a move? I'm going to use Cusco Willa for lineman for Hurricane Helene as needed. Second. We can look at that. We can see what's available. All have staff. Look at what's available based on our rentals. I talked to Gina and she talked to Jamie last night because after talking with you, I knew it was going to be brought up and I just wanted to make sure there's two cabins that are available, that will house 40 people. They just have to have their own bedding. We have the mattresses, but they have to have their own bedding. All right, I don't know if there's any legal liability, or their liability issues that we are not considering? So when when Cusco is utilized, Jamie and her team, they have an application and an agreement that they sign for use and that covers that. So that would be part of the rental process. Thank you. Yeah, they just need to reach out to us to ask about the availability. And we will take care of that just like any other. I had let Stacy know that it was available. And I gave it to her. So that's where it is. Yeah, I mean, the best thing to just let the utility snap. Yeah. Anything else, Commissioner? No, just to be aware that there are a lot of folks that are still without power, and that means they're out without water too in the outlying areas because they're wells, depending on electricity. And when I went into the high springs dollar general up there, no water, no ice, nothing like that that would be helpful. And I don't know if there's any way that we could disperse ice, we disperse sandbags, but I don't know in a situation like this, if there's any place that would bring ice in, I don't know how that works, but you know, to just bence it. I knew that they've some places have done that in the past, but I don't know where we're going to go. I'm just to be aware that there are communities out here that are still struggling to get their basic needs met. Absolutely. The out and outer two and I think makes a new barrier as well. There were people that are still without power, without water and looking at, you know, sometimes two or three weeks out. Do we know what FEMA or the health partner are doing with regards to response in those areas? We are out doing damage assessment. We were out all day yesterday. We have even more teams out there today. Part of the key to FEMA individual assistance is those damage numbers, the amount. So we are working diligently to gather that information so that we can qualify for FEMA individual assistance. The Health Department will monitor facilities within its control, such as nursing homes, assisted living facilities, hospitals, those types of things, which are under their authority. They'll monitor the conditions. Do you know if our, if our FEMA representative is, is going to set up in each of these outline municipalities? I, I do not. I can't answer what the FEMA representative is going to do. Right now, the FEMA representative is only dealing with Debbie. We were approved for the individual assistance for FEMA for Debbie. We have not yet been declared for Helene. That's what we're working on through damage assessment right now. So when we are approved and I presume we will be because we have more damage for this storm than we did during Debbie and we did reach the threshold in Debbie. So I would be surprised if we did not reach that threshold here. It's just a matter of time and how they set that up. And how many people fill out the form, right? Yeah, we have. Right. So as of yesterday's report to me, I think we had over a thousand damage reports, not all of those will qualify under the FEMA terms, but we've gone through, staff has gone through, sorted through them, and those are being dulled out to the damage assessment teams to go verify damage, but there are hundreds, multiple hundreds of them to go and look at this week. So I would encourage you to make sure the folks in your area know to go to our website and fill out a thing saying what damage they have so that we can make sure that as soon as possible we qualify for that FEMA. Yes and what's very important and they can do it on their phone too if they've got cellular but what's very important about that is you do it on their phone too if they've got cellular, but what's very important about that is, you know, even if you have, for example, some roof damage, but you call and you report it to your insurance company and you know your insurance company is going to come out and review it. If you don't report this damage to the county, that's not going to be counted in the damage numbers. So some people will just report it to their insurance company, not think about it, because they've taken care of it with their homeowners insurance. But it's important to still report that under the damage assessments. But one of the problems too, I know with the high springs folks, is that the damage is done to the houses, unless they're repaired, the electrical company will not hook up to them again. They will have to have it corrected with their own local electricians right. And once that's repaired, then the company can hook up to them. So there will be people that may be without power even long after our power linemen are gone. So thank you. That's all. That is Chair. All right. Mr. Corner. Thank you. Michelle, I've gotten some inquiries about when will yard waste begin to start being picked up? Do you have a, as Gus reported in on when that will start? We'll find out for sure. I know we've put out some information on where to put on the yard waste. At this point, and so Mark may have the data on that, but I know we met with our debris, we did call in the debris contractor this time because we knew it was going to be considerably more. Madam Chair, Mark, section communications director, we're telling folks to call their municipalities if they have questions. But for the unincorporated area, we've put out extensive information showing exactly where to put it and emphasizing that we have waived the normal requirements for yard waste. If you can get it to the road, we'll pick it up. Is basically what we're saying. There's no longer a size restriction on how big a piece can be. If normally we ask for five foot sections, but if you get a 15 foot section of a tree, we'll pick it up. And as far as timing, our debris contractor believes that they can make at least one full pass of the entire unincorporated area of the county within 30 days. So that when I say within 30 days it's going to take them. They've already done one one assessment going through everything but they think they can get the majority of it in one pass. They may have to go back to some areas the second time but it is going to take 30 days to get it all, especially if you've driven down any of the right of ways that we have. There's a lot. And Madam Chair, if I may, just take a moment to say we have been putting out extensive information about contractor roofing and tree service fraud and scams in the area so you can go to our social media pages or the website to get more information on that. It's a real issue and we want people to be very careful. Yeah we already had people knocking on doors in archery yesterday saying I noticed you had damaged your roof. You know, give me five hundred bucks and I can fix that tomorrow kind of stuff. So yeah, we don't need that. So everybody, please be careful. I also wanted to tell folks, if you're on SNAP benefits, you can go online and apply for replacement food that may have ruined in your refrigerator of freezer up to the amount of snap benefits you get monthly, but you haven't talked to October 6 to do that. And if you are not on snap benefits, there's also a program to help you replace the food ruined in your refrigerator. I think it's called D-Snap. But if you go online and search for that, you should be able to find it. So if you can have folks that are concerned about replacing food, have them go online and apply for those extra benefits. I help somebody do that yesterday. Great. All right. The only thing that I have is that I might tell them, just not feeling great. I'm going to try to stick it out to 130, but if I'm not here, I apologize. I'm not feeling well. So, all right. Pardon? Anybody? Anything else? All right. We'll call this meeting adjourned. Thank you you everyone.