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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm sorry. We will begin our agenda session. Councillor Randolph. We are in for Councillor Forzman. I certainly can. Thank you, President Toulonic. Councillor Forzman, item two, resolution 187 is a resolution approving. Budget and cost sharing formula of Minneapolis, Duluth Superior and passenger rail alliance and authorizing payment of city's cost share of $18,648. Item 3, resolution 199, is a resolution authorizing an agreement with JNM displays, Inc. for the purchase and display of fireworks for the amount of $62,100. Thank you, Councillor Rander. Any questions on items 2 or 3? Seeing none, we'll move on to Councillor Derwockter purchasing and licensing. President Tamanik. Item number four, Resolution 216 authorizing the purchase and installation of civil defense siren control board upgrades and replacement cabinets from frontline warning systems for the amount of $93,260. Thank you, Councillor Dure-Wactor. Any questions on item 4? Seeing none, Councillor Awe'll personnel. Resolution 200, resolution confirming the appointment of Ben Van Tassel to the Housing Trust Fund Committee. Item 6, resolution 201, resolution confirming the appointment of Brad Scott to the Duluth Public Utilities Commission. Item 7, resolution 224, resolution approving proposed amendments to the specifications for existing civil service classification of engineering technician. Item 8, resolution 225, resolution approving proposed amendments to the specifications for existing civil service classification of seasonal utilities labor. Item 9, resolution 226, resolution approving proposed amendments to thements to the Specifications for the Existing Civil Service Classification of Senior Engineering Technician. Item 10 Resolution 227, Resolution Approving Proposed Specifications for the new Civil Service Classification of Unhoused Response Coordinator and Specifying Contract Benefits for Same. Item 11, Resolution 229, Resolution to the specifications for the existing civil service classification of utility operator. Item 12 resolution 230 resolution approving proposed amendments to the specifications for the existing civil service classification of utility Operator, item 13 resolution 251 resolution confirming the appointment of members to the city of delude boards and commissions. Item 14 resolution 253 resolution confirming the appointment of Kate Van Dale to the planning commission. Thank you, Councillor O'Hall. There will be two changes. We will be moving the vote on the appointment of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state and to Mayor Reinhardt to like really talking about how we can move forward with the just my question was is I've heard from some counselors and if instead of doing it either after agenda session or before the council meeting if it would be worthwhile to explore having all of the appointments on one day. I would just curious what the council thinks about having all the appointments on one day. In what respect? Can you explain how that would work? Yeah, just wondering if we should have an interview day set aside a few specific hours, have all the applicants come through, we just do all of the interviews in one go. I think you can talk to the clerk about that and let us know. Okay, sounds good. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor Wockter. Thank you, President Tumonic. I'm sorry, I lost track of item number 10, Resolution 227, I have a question. I'm just curious if this is a new role, or is this somebody replacing a previous role? And it sounds like you got the key. Yes, thank you, President Tomonic, Councillor Girocchio. This position was actually created last year, and we had a person in there, but because it was, part way through the year we were dealing with encampments, we had a lot of things going on. We used what was a previous job description, which was the property and solid waste compliance officer. The person who was in this role last year quit in, I thinkime last fall she took a different opportunity with a different organization. So it gave us a chance to actually rewrite the job description and create a position that's a little bit more accurate to what that person actually does. This is funded by the opioid Director Carlson can explain some of that stuff. But this is for 10 years, so we're in the second year of that. Some of the things that we really wanted to note, and I'd like to highlight if I have a quick minute here, is that we wanted to put in that street outreach portion of that. There's parts of the opioid settlement that actually require training to the public, both the public and to possibly to users, how to operate safely, needle pickup, things like that. So we integrated that into the job description. The actual pay range is the same is what it was before. It's been approved, of course, by the Civil Service Board and the Union, the ASME Union Union, even though it's in a fire position. So, great. Yeah. Thank you. I have a follow-up. I'm assuming this person would be working closely with the other homeless outreach officers. Correct. So that's correct. Councillor Dorecker, that's part of the job description is in there working with our partner agencies like Chalm, Union Gospel Mission, Damiano, of course the police, either their core, their cert team, the HDC mental health crisis response team, all of our partner agencies, including police and fire and our other life safety and property clean up and things like that too. Okay, thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you, Chief. Any other questions? Yes, Councillor Kennedy. Thank you, please. Chief Kruse. Thank you, President Dominic. Demonic. I'm just wondering how much time this person and some of the other cohorts in the group that's working on some unhoused activities. How do you figure out where you are in the city of Duluth? How much time are you in West Duluth? How much time are you in Lincoln Park? How much time are you in downtown? And where do you see how that would be fair to make sure there's in the neighborhoods that have some activity. Sure, President Tomonic, Councilor Kennedy, this is a citywide position. So if they're dealing with, when they're dealing with the specific encampments, of course, that would be complete driven or neighborhood driven wherever that is. When we're looking at outreach, I think one of the things we want to do is go to where the people are. So unfortunately this winter, this position wasn't filled, but we would utilize like the warming center. We would utilize places like Union Gospel Mission, where people are at, where Chum has outreach places already. So we don't necessarily have a specific 10 hours a week have to be on the east side, 10 hours have to be on the west side, and 20 hours have to be downtown. But that is kind of how I envision it is when we're dealing with encampments. Of course, that'll be site specific when we're dealing with some of those outreach programs. It'll try to utilize our partnerships with those other agencies and piggyback off of opportunities that are already there in the community where there's already presentations where there's already services being provided. They can then be there. What we don't want to do is have to have people come to us. We want to come to them. So if that answers your question, we don't have it specifically narrowed down, but it is a citywide program. If I may follow up, I guess I would want to encourage that the outreach come out to West Ooth because what we're seeing out there, I'm not sure if people that are living in-house, needing services are coming to the downtown. So it would be nice to at least be out in West Ooth. I'm not sure what's happening out east, but I do know what's happening out west. And I'd love to see some outreach along Grand Central Avenue, maybe in some of the Lincoln Park neighborhood as well. President, Tomana, Councillor Kennedy, I think once we have a person hired in this position, I'd like to reach out with you and find out what some of your specific concerns are. And if you have any target areas, dates, times that we could focus that on I think that would be appropriate. I certainly do. I do know. I know what some of your specific concerns are, and if you have any target areas, dates, and times that we could focus that on, I think that would be appropriate. I certainly do. I do know one area that has been identified is the Spirit Valley area, where you can go behind the Spirit Valley and that little alcove, that there have been some folks that have been sleeping there. So, but we can talk a little bit more about that. Thank you. We look forward to it. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Kennedy. Councillor Derr-Walker. Thank you, President Tamanik. I have another question for you. But I do want to add that whenever I talk to John Stetson, he's often out in West Outh. So, I do know he's making a presence out there. He's a homeless outreach officer. And I'd be happy to give you his number. Chief Krujee, I'm wondering if you could... a presence out there. He's a homeless outreach officer and I'd be happy to give you his number. Chief Khrushche, I'm wondering if you could just give a little bit more about who was part of the team in selecting the criteria? President Tomonic, Councillor Duroctor, Deputy Chief Otis worked with, I think, all the leaders have asked me. And then there were some specific parts of the opioid funding, so he would have then worked with finance to have that definition, I believe. Director Carlson or possibly Budget Manager Casper did a presentation on this last year to the council, and they had bullet points of what that money needed to be spent on So then that was incorporated into this job description And then I think deputy chief Otis met with a lot of our outreach partners To see what they needed what what help were they looking for from this position? Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you chief Kajay any other questions counselors on items five to 14 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Chief Kajay. Any other questions, Councillors? On items 5 to 14. Thank you. Councillor Derwock, do we read in for Councillor Mio? How about we do Vice President Neff you? Okay. Go ahead. Item 15 resolution 219, resolution vacating planted sections of Forest Street and I don't know how to say that one roast sand Avenue in the plat of fondalak Subject to the retention of utility easements item 16 resolution 220 resolution vacating a section of West first street in the Plants of Duluth proper second division and Glen Place division. Thank you, Councillor Neffio. I get so excited about planning for where we're going that I forgot. You make my apologies. Councillor Sennick questions on items 15 and 16. Seeing none, we'll move on to public works. Now Councillor Derwakter, we ran you in for Councillor Mayo. Sure, thank you, President Tawaneck. Item number 17, resolution 187, authorizing a cooperative agreement with St. Louis County for the 2026 townships and cities maintenance striping program for road lines striping at various locations in the city of Duluth. Item number 18, resolution 215, authorizing an annual contract with Northland Constructors of Duluth, a division of Matthew Construction Company for Batuminous Hot Mixed Black Top for street maintenance activities for an annual estimated amount not to exceed 295,000. Item number 19, Resolution 233, awarding a contract to White and Company Inc. for the lead water, I'm sorry, lead water service replacement. High priority sites 49 to 52 and 94 to 99 for a total amount not to exceed 363,921. Item 20 resolution 234 awarding a contract to Hoveland Incorporated for the lead service line replacement. Lincoln Park 4 project for a total amount not to exceed 11,550,218 dollars Thank you, Councillor, there's just one more item. Yes. Thank you President DeWanda item 21 resolution 235 awarding a contract to Trupani Incor incorporated for 2025, Lead Water Service Replacement, Filter Pitcher and Test Kit Services for a total amount, now to exceed $290,900. Thank you. I get excited about that one too, because it's such a service for the people in our community who have led lines. I see that Cindy Faulkner here from the Public Utilities Commission. Did you want to speak on this? I have a very good one. Okay, thank you. Any questions, councillors? It's just very easy to request those pictures. I live in an old house. We do provide the replacement filters and it's a very good service that we provide to our residents as they awaited line-led replacement. Okay. Moving on to recreation libraries and authorities, Councillor Kennedy will you read in for Councillor Swenson? I was reading. I can do that. I- Thank you. I'm on item number two. Thank you, President Tamanik. Resolution 210, authorizing an agreement with LHBN incorporated for a park recreation and coastal preservation plan for park point recreation area for an amount not to exceed $129,461. Item number 23 resolution 217 authorizing the license agreement with the Duluth Book Club for the use of certain property and in part point through 2030 for operation of its services at no cost to this city. Item number 24, resolution 22 authorizing an amendment to agreement L30637 with cross Anderson construction for construction manager as agent services for the spirit mountain chairlift installation as part of the overall spirit mountain infrastructure renewal project to increase the amount by 156,722 dollars for a new total amount, not to exceed 181,722 dollars. Item number 25 resolution 223 authorizing a contract for services with the Duluth Area Family YMCA for an amount not to exceed $100,883.21 for life-guarding services provided at the city's Park Point Beach House and recreation area during the 2025 operating season. Item number 26, Resolution 228, authorizing the first amendment to agreement 24365 with the Arrowhead Bowhunters Alliance Inc. to extend the term of the deer management services agreement. Thank you, Councillor Kennedy. Councillor Derr-Warctor, question? Yeah, thank you, President Tumonik. I have a question about item 23. I'm wondering if we can get a little more history about this. I guess I'm wondering if this is just a routine license agreement approval. I noticed it's for five years. Is it kind of an every five years type of thing? And curious does the city then own that property and they are just using it at no rent and we don't have to pay them for the services. I know they provide a great service for the community but thanks Jim and Philby Williams. Go ahead director. President Tamanik, Councillor Gerrard, thank you for the question. This land, some of the last undeveloped Bayside Beach close to Canal Park, was acquired in the late 1990s, early 20s, with the idea that the city and partnership with the Dulat Club would plan finance, construct, and operate a public water access. And early in the 20 OTS, the city and the Boat Club entered into a development agreement that specified how we would work together to realize those goals. part of that development agreement, the Bo Club had the privileges to use the sites that are outlined in the resolution before you today. What we are doing is decoupling the development agreement and the development plan from their ongoing use of the site. We are in conversations with the Duluth Book Club and we'll be circling back to you in the months ahead about kind of a fresh vision for the development piece. But this is now going forward by itself. Oh, okay. Thank you for that. I do have a follow-up if I may. And I get a little confused at first when I saw a boat club because I know there's a restaurant by the same name. But the Duluth boat club is officially the Marina or is it the whole entity that houses the rowing boats and is it all together? together or? Present's my counselor, Drew Octor. The Duluth boat club is an umbrella organization for six different non-profit water sports organizations, Northland Adaptive Recreation, used to be Courage Kenny, the Duluth rowing club, the Duluth Spear Sailing Association, the Duluth Sail and Power Squadron, the Duluth Yacht Club, and the Duluth Superior Dragon Boat Club. And so all of those organizations collaborate in the use and management and programming and maintenance of this site. Okay, I may just go, clarify. You said there was an entity that was splitting apart. It's the Duluth Boat Club, the whole entity of those six organizations is splitting off together. Present to my Councillor Drew Wocker, the Duluth Boat Club is the umbrella organization that encompasses all of those six individual organizations that I listed. If you may just clarify which one was splitting off, the way you said, or maybe I'll ask you later. I think I'm not understanding. President of the Democratic Councilor, Dr. Wocker, I have been spoken there on the organization splitting. Okay, I'll follow up later. Thank you. Thank you, Director Phil Villiamas. Thank you, Councillor Derracher, Councillor Randolph. Thank you so much, President Tumanik. I have a question on item 22 resolution 210. This is the Coastal Preservation Plan for Park Point. Mr. Phil Bueliams, when was the last time we had this plan and what were the types of things and repairs we made during that one and if you can give us just a little background? President Semonich, Councillor Randolph, there has not been major reinvestments in the basic infrastructure out there during the tenure of any current city employees. It's been decades. And it is for that reason that it is now timely to decide how we wish to reinvest in that deteriorated infrastructure. So at the end of this investment with LHB, we'll have a comprehensive plan on almost like, what is the state of this infrastructure? And will there be then a master plan of repairs along with where the money will come from? Is that kind of the vision? Yes, President Tomani, Councillor Randolph, this will produce a reinvestment plan that reflects how our residents today wish to use and enjoy that site, that reflects and responds to the deterioration of much of the infrastructure and the need to reinvest. Wonderful, thank you. Thank you, Director Phil Begley. I miss thank you, Councillor Randolph. Any other questions, Council? All right, moving on. Vice President Nephew, reading ordinances, please. Thank you, President. Two, an ordinance amending UDC section 50-18 after-the-shoulder resources overlay. Section 50-20 use specific standards for manufactured home park and recreational vehicle park. Section 50-33.2 site designed for plants, table 50-35-1. Procedures summary table. Section-37, administration and procedures for special use permits, subdivision, plat approval and variances, 50 variances, section 50-38.2, provisions for non-conformities and floodplains and article six definitions. 28, ordinance three, and ordinance amending UDC section 50-41.16. Principal use definition. Thank you, Councillor Neffio. Any questions on those two ordinances? Go ahead, Councillor Randolph. Thank you so much, President Semonich. I just wanted to have a question on ordinance two. Is this just basically a cleanup of chapter 50 in getting these U standards up to date? Okay, thank you. President Tamanik, Councilor Randolph, both of these ordinances are related to the flood standards that have come out from FEMA and so these are bringing us into compliance with with their new rules. Perfect. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Director Mantessel. Councilor's any other questions? Comments? Councilor Kennedy. Councillors, any other questions? Comments Councillor Kennedy Mr. Staling, could you just let me know why we had to pull back the boards and commissions? So I can explain those those process more with the City Council? I believe to accommodate interviews? Is that correct, Council President? It's to figure out how we're going to handle all those. Yes. If I may, give me just a minute. I want to scroll back to where those were. So item number 13, Resolution 251, those are appointments that are done by the mayor. We do not interview. Is that the one that we pull back? Because we do not interview those folks. They're mayor appointments. So I'm not sure that we need to pull it back, but we can certainly figure that out after. I think that's, if I may, I think that's why we're sending it back to administration. We have begun the process of interviewing the mayoral appointments. We're going to see if we're going to be able to continue that with so many interviewees. Okay. Is that something new that personnel has been working on? Because that wasn't the process before. We interviewed this past year mayoral appointments, yes. When I was personnel chair, you can ask the personnel director, did you want to comment? Councilloror Alt, go ahead. Thank you, President. Tamanik. When I was personnel chair two years ago, we had started the process because we've heard people, sorry, I'm losing my voice. People had asked for more transparency in the application process of getting onto boards and commissions. President Tamanik, last year also continued to interview mayoral appointments as well. And that is something that I've heard from constituents that they like that process. It gives members who are interested in applying for boards, board members, and also commissioners some FaceTime with council and the public, given that it's a public interview, and people can see who their representatives are on those boards and commissions and be able to have some face time with them. So people, I have been hearing, although some folks are like, they have differing opinions on how we do the process, but we've heard that there's, you know, there was some frustration with what the interview process looks like, so the transparency process. So keeping in line with what the past two years we've done, which is slowly start doing interviews for mayoral appointments, that's keeping in line with this. What my conversations with President Tamanik and Mayor Einhart has been leading to is like, can we do a hybrid model given that there's so many coming through, where instead of doing individual interviews, can we just interview that particular commission, members who are up for that commission. For example, African Heritage Commission or the Indigenous Commission, the Library Board, the Parks Board, and just have do all those interviews in one goal. So that's why you're seeing those specific interviews in the allocation in those ways. So, then here in the department. Yes, you may. That makes sense. I've had questions as well about some of the transparency. It feels like we've been back and forth on this. And so, I know we have our retreat this weekend if we could just make sure it's the same. Because it feels to me like, well, wait a minute. Yeah. I'll have a second. And these are a lot of folks. Yeah. I think I had another question, but I'll just pause there. Yeah. Councillor O'Hall. Thank you, President Tamanik. And I think just hearing constituents wanting that transparency and wanting us to continue that, that's why I was like, do we continue that process? I think since we have been interviewing mayoral appointments, I think it makes sense to continue that. But given the volume of candidates coming through for all the vacancies that will be coming up, that's where we're like, can we clump them together? And you know, the current, Ryan Hurts administration has been very transparent in their process, and you know, I just had a conversation with him, Mayor Ryan Hurts this morning too, and he thinks that an abridged version would also be well. But he, again, left it up to Council too, because you're right, we're technically a mayoral appointment, the mayor appoints, and then Council votes yes or no on that appointment. And then in the past, we're seeing more processes being laid out for interviewing individuals, being able to ask them questions, finding out having more time with the folks that go into the boards and commissions, asking them questions about, like, is there a conflict? Because we've had some conversation with just recently candidates regarding like conflict of interest, or are they able to make the meeting times and like giving them some more face time and challenging them to engage with us too in that moment. So I think it would be nice to continue the interviews and again given the volume, maybe we just streamline it in whether we do a one full day interview or take some time before the next few council meetings and just interview African Heritage Commission. Thank you, Councillor O'Hill. Go ahead. Do we have to change anything in the charter then? That would be my other question. What is abstaining in the charter or any other regulation? Councillor President, Tomonic, Councillor Kennedy, I do not believe so. I believe you. Councillor Hesse and latitude in this regard. Thank you, Mr. Steeling. Councillor Neff you. Thank you, Presidentamanik. So on the same subject, I guess what I would like to know is what is the process that is like the minimum requirement versus what we're doing, what are other communities doing with this? So for example, what does the mayor actually even have to or what are we actually even required to do in the process with mayoral appointments, like if there's nothing written. And then also like what are other communities? And I know you have some experience going from St. Cloud, but it'd be interesting to see what other communities are doing too, as far as when these appointments come across. Mr. Staley, do you want to answer that? Certainly, Council President Tamanik, Councilor Neff you. There really is no set rule for how the council was about this. I think every community does it a little differently. You certainly could have kept this on the agenda for Monday and approved it as presented, but if the council is of a mind to have more of a transparent process, as has been described, there's nothing limiting the council from doing that if that is the will of the council. In terms of my experience is limited to St. Cloud, St. Cloud. Council did not have a similar interview process. I didn't see that during my tenure there. All right, thank you. If I may, I do have a follow-up. So in the process, if the mayor puts a mayoral appointment in front of us, and we say no, what would stop him from putting it before the same person before us again? Council President Tomanic, Councillor Neffi, I mean that would be the mayor's prerogative to nominate or recommend whoever he or she wishes. Mayor has that ability and authority under our charter. Okay, thank you, thank you, Councillor Neff, you thank you, Mr. Stanton. Councillor Derwockder. Thank you, President Dumanic. If we were to approve of these names without interviewing them or having any information about them, it would seem to me like it would be very similar to reading the text of our agenda where it's just that one little line and not having any attachments or any context that goes with it. And our jobs are to vote on all of the additional information. And so my question is if we're not going to interview them and it is solely a mayoral appointment, as we've all discussed, why is council even asked to approve of it? How do we legitimately approve of anything if a haven't had any information to go by. Mr. Staling. Council President Tamanik, Councillor Drewock, I mean your point is well taken, the more information the council has. You're in a better position you are to make a decision. And so I think the process that I've seen the last few council meetings, council is able to get some good information from candidates or interested in these positions, but the extent, there are many different commissions and boards within the city. And some commissions and boards have more power and authority than others. Others are in advisory capacity. And so whether you want to treat them all the same and have the same process for each board commission or advisory board, that's really up. That process is really up to the council. So that's for the, you know, the council to wrestle with that. Thank you, Mr. Staling. I have a question for clerk denim. Do the councilors have access to the applicant's application? President Tamanik, they certainly can. So we provided the past couple of times since I've taken over this role, I've added a redacted application onto the resolution just so there's some background information for councilors. So to answer your question, Councillor Dervocchio, that's one way we could gather more information is to look at the applications. Thank you, thank you, Clipton. Next we have a Councillor Randolph. Thank you so much, President Tumonic. I guess my question is, we've been calling for open boards and commissions. I know since the last year I was president, every Monday we would do that. So, was it that these individuals, because we have such an influx, were they in the queue already had they applied and we're now just doing ketchup? Or, do we call a bunch of people? And they're now in this queue. Why do we have an influx all of a sudden? And I read the news story. I know we want to fill our boards of commission. I get that, but I'm just wondering, how do we find all these people? The Councilor, our under-president, Tawanek, these are applications in our systems stay active for about nine months. These are nine months worth of applications that were sent to the mayor for approval for however many vacancies there were. So it's a backlog so it was more of an admin admin kind of a blockage. Yep in our office we see maybe one or two applications come in a week maybe for different boards and commissions. Thank you clerk denim. Thank you Councillor Render for you finish. I did. Okay good. Councillor Kennedy. Thank you President Tonic. I guess my worry would be is since this has been a backlog and I can only speak for the Blue African Heritage Commission because I've been working with them on some of that work. They've been not been able to have a quorum and they actually have gone ahead and actually had found some money to do some work that they brought in. And so if we're gonna wait, we need to figure out where the priorities are. How long, how long are each one of these boards or commissions gonna wait? And are there ones that need to have people on them right now? I think that would be the priority. So do we have an understanding of how long boards have not been able to get, what do you call it, a full board? I just said the word, a forum. And because that's important. If they've been waiting long, and I believe that Duluth African Heritage Heritage Commission has been And they haven't been able to meet because of the quorum. I don't want them to wait any longer. So do we have any information about that? And that would go for any of those commissions Council President Tamanik, Councilor Kennedy, I do not have Precise data for you on that how long some of of these boards have been open or how long some of these interested individuals have been in the queue. I know that it was important for us to get Dr. Marshall Lu in her position and give her a couple of weeks to envision how she would like her Human Rights Commission and the other related boards, how she would like that to look. And so it was important that we get her that position filled and her in place to bring these forward. So I guess a question to be, how long are we gonna, because it's a long list like how long is it going to take to get through this list and how are we going to be setting a priority for those who maybe need to meet and have it met for a while. Can I take that? I'll take that question. The Mayor, the clerk, Councillor Owl and I have worked on this all day shuffling people around. So my question, shuffling interviews around trying to get the committees that are most important to be filled scheduled first. And there are, you're right, the equity commissions need to be filled and especially the human rights commission needs to be filled. So knowing how long it took to schedule a retreat, a half a day retreat, scheduling a whole day where people would probably have to tick off work, that is going to be a challenge in itself. So I would like to ask Councillor O'Hall, are there interviewees that you would consider not, are there applicants you would consider not interviewing so that we can move this process along? President would. President Tamanik, I would be open to that but I would want to touch base with each of the individual board chairs first. If they're making quorum and it's not a priority for them, I can see them being later on in the list or if they don't see that they historically haven't had a council interview and don't want to present. Because I think having a council interview also makes that board, highlights that board or commission in the public side as well and gives some more perspective, the public can understand what they're doing and the candidates that are going forward into the board and the commission. So I can follow up, I don't know if I can do that before the Monday meeting to touch base with all the chairs of the boards and commissions, but that is something You know, I would definitely Try to do I know that the identity Commissions I know Mayor Reinhardt was saying that he did want those to like move forward and because they will be under Dr. Marshall Lou And she would you know wanting to get a move on those since folks have been waiting for those ones. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. I'll Councillor Derroctor. Thank you, President Tumanic. And thank you, Councillor Kennedy, for bringing up that important issue of the urgency. I know on the Public Arts Commission we're having a hard time making quorum as well. And so I respect that a lot and I would actually be open to being able to just read the applications I'd be very comfortable personally voting that way. Great. Thank you, Councillor D'Arroctor. Councillor Kennedy. Thank you, President Tamanic. we could make some concessions on, I see that there's three that are reappointments. Do we feel that we would need to interview them? That would bring the list down, you know, three people. There's one that is district specific and that commission has to have that person from that district. So that may be another one that we could just look at the interview. They have to have somebody from district five. That's in the charter. And then maybe if we could just look at some of the identity commissions and move them through quicker or and or anyone that are not meeting quorum, I would be a mini bowl. Otherwise I would just say let's just vote the whole slate through and start over next time. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Kennedy. I have a question. If anybody wanted to answer. Okay. Councillor, all do you have? Yeah. I'm in a question. Just for the public's understanding of what the current process looks like. An application comes in, it's with the City Clerk's Office in kind of a waiting period for the mayor to review. There might be multiple people applying to want like a boarder commission and the mayor reviews them and puts forward a recommendation to council. It comes to council, usually President Tamanik, counsel president and personnel chair will kind of touch base on when that interview is going to be and then President Tamanik would schedule that interview with the clerk's office and then we would conduct the interview, which is usually about 15 minutes as we've done currently in the last few council meetings in the past few years. And then I think President Tamanik when she was personnel chair did an excellent change up where we do the interview and then we wait until the next council cycle to vote them in. So that's so far has been the process right now. And I think yes it's not a written code process but that has been counsel procedure essentially for the last few years. If we want to move, my concern is, if we want to change it up, because all of a sudden we have a volume of influx, are we handling the candidates in a different manner than we have other candidates that have come through? Are we showing a different preference? Are we changing it up? And does that have legal ramifications, perhaps, saying like, oh, we just switched up the process, like completely drastically where we interviewed people and all of a sudden we're not interviewing people. And I'm amenable to like, if it's a reappointment or a district specific, maybe we do just vote them through. And then I also understand the value of having those interviews as well. To really get that face for that board and that candidate to our public. Thank you, Councillor, all. Councillor Randolph. Yeah, just one last thing. I don't want to belabor this. But are we thinking that we're going to limit it to two individuals in any given agenda session interview? Are we doing more? Because when you look at this, this is about five hours worth of interviewing. And I can see where it'd be pretty exhausting for them and for us as well. My recommendation to President Tomonick and Mayor Reiner after hearing both of their concerns and understanding kind of what where they stand on it and then hearing from different constituents as well is I don't think it would be fair to these commissioners and candidates to do one or two interviews before a council meeting and that's going to go forward months. Like President, President, Tamanik and Councillor Kennedy had mentioned we need to get these rolling sooner. So my recommendation recommendation, when you have the African Heritage Commission or the Indigenous Commission, for example, that commission, individuals interviewing for that commission would come up. We will just interview that entire slate for that commission in one go. It doesn't necessarily need to be 15 minutes per person, but at least then they're in the forefront and we can ask the same questions and they still get that chance to answer those questions publicly and it should take less time. So I'm not anticipating it's 15 per person but say 20 per commission. 20 to 30 per commission. Thank you, Councillor. I'll Councillor Rander. No, I'm good. Thank you. Councillors, any other comments? Questions? All right, then. Remember to look at your schedules. We start on Monday at 5.15. Great. Thank you.