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Thank you. We do have a second presentation on, now I see you have SBA on your shirt but it says an urgent of the FDA wildfire recovery presentation so maybe you could help. Yes, thank you, good evening and thank you council members for allowing me to speak tonight. My name is Natalie Longwell and I'm a public information officer for the US Small Business Administration's Office of Disaster Recovery and Resilience. Our office is in Los Angeles with FEMA in the aftermath of the January wildfires, helping survivors of this disaster recover. Our mission is to help communities prepare for, respond to, recover from, and mitigate against disasters of all types. We assist in the economic recovery of communities after disaster by providing long-term low interest loans to businesses, nonprofits, homeowners and renters. Tonight I'll be speaking about the different types of assistance you may be eligible for if your home or business is within Los Angeles County or the surrounding counties of Kern, Orange, Ventura or San Bernardino. Next slide, please. Our federal program provides low interest federal disaster loans to assist both businesses and residents that are either uninsured or underinsured as a result of the wildfires. After floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, wildfires, and other disasters. SBA disaster loans are the primary source of federal assistance to help private property owners pay for disaster losses not fully covered by insurance. Homeowners, renters, businesses, and nonprofits are all eligible to apply. Next slide. As I mentioned, homeowners, renters, businesses, and non-profits are all eligible to apply for SBA disaster loans, but your home or business must be within the declared disaster area and meet other eligibility criteria depending on the type of loan. Next slide. Businesses and non-profits may borrow to 2 million to repair or replace buildings, equipment, and other assets. Small businesses and private nonprofits may also apply for economic injury disaster loans to help them recover from financial losses with or without property damage. Homeowners may apply for disaster loans up to $500,000 to make repairs to their primary residents, and homeowners and renters may borrow up to $100,000 to replace the damage contents of their home as well as their cars. An additional funding may be borrowed to cover mitigation costs to protect your property against future damage. Next slide. Here are some examples of what a disaster loan could cover for homeowners and renters. The SBA encourages all affected to apply because even if you are approved you are under no obligation to take the loan. You can also delay your decision on whether to take the loan you are approved for by up to six months and delay the disbursement date of the loan even beyond that. So whether or not these loans fit into your recovery plan, it's a good idea to apply before the March 31st deadline for physical damages and have that option available to you should you decide to take it. Next slide. And here are some examples of what a disaster loan would cover for losses sustained by a business, both physical and economic injury. Those applying for economic injury loans do not necessarily have to have sustained physical damages as a result of the wild violence. The threshold for an economic injury business loan is you would have to be able to meet those obligations, be it payroll, monthly lease obligations, or accounts payable, were it not for the disaster. Next slide. Additional funding is also available for homeowners and businesses for mitigation costs up to 20% of the total verified loss on the physical structure. Next slide. Interest rates for SBA disaster loans are as low as 4% for businesses as low as 3.625% for nonprofits and as low as 2.563% for homeowners and renters with terms up to 30 years. Interest does not begin to accrue and payments are not due until 12 months from the date of the first loan disbursement. There is no cost to apply and no obligation to accept a disaster loan if approved. Next slide. Here's a breakdown of the application process. Those interested in applying may go to lending.sba.gov. After a loan is approved, an initial disbursement will be made within five business days. Next slide. There are three ways to apply for an SBA disaster loan. The first is by applying online at lending.sba.gov, or by email at disaster customer service at SBA.gov. A second way to apply is by calling the SBA at 800-659-2955. The third way to apply, which I would recommend is the best way, is by going to one of two disaster recovery centers located within Los Angeles County. Customer service representatives are available there to answer questions about our disaster loan program. Explain the application process and help individuals complete their application. In personperson individualized attention is often the best way to complete an application. There is a disaster recovery center located at 540 Westwoodbury Road in Al-Tadena and another located at UCLA Research Park West at 1850 West Peaco Boulevard in Los Angeles. And both centers are open Monday through Saturday from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. Next slide. Here are a few resources with additional information and the contact information for the SBA's Office of Disaster Recovery and Routesylians. Thank you once again to the City Council for allowing me to present tonight. So I did notice that the deadline for damage was today, right? Actually it was extended today. So the new deadline is March 31st for physical damages and then for economic injury, it's October 6th. Okay. Yes. Yes, you can use it for mitigation up to 20% of total verified loss for the disaster loan. Loss is a result of the wildfires or straight line winds. And do you know the boundaries, the current boundaries of the declared disaster is in all of LA County or is it just the fire areas? No, it's all separate proposal. I've got two groups here. I've got people that are here to talk about the annexation proposal and that's the item 20. And I've got a separate proposal and that's the item 20. And I've got two groups here. I've got people that are here to talk about the annexation proposal, and that's the item 20, and I've got a separate group. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go ahead and do public comments for items that are not associated with our, for comments not associated with item 20, and then I'm going to move up item 20 to follow immediately after public comment so that those of you that are here you don't have to stay through all of our administrative stuff and wait until item 20 shows up but that's okay to do. All right so John Dominguez. Good evening everyone. I just have the usual another update on the different projects and some of them are coming to close to the next face of of my efforts. So the first one has to do with the project. I've been working out with using Google Earth to map out all the fire hydrants in La Habra Heights. That should be the first face of that. It should be done in about a week. Basically that means that everything that I can possibly map as far as the hydrants will be mapped in about five days. There are some that I cannot map because the in private roads or Google Earth was taking pictures of lava heights on the same day as the trash pickup day. So yeah, that meant some of them are hidden. So I need to verify that with the, hopefully the, uh, the party department will help me with that next face of verifying and finding those hydrants that are not, we're not visible, we're not available because of, uh, private roads. So that's the first update. So once that's done, in about a week I'll start the next effort that I'm trying to work on, which is the initial face of mapping out this, the same process, the storm drains of La Haber Heights. The didn't realize this until some provided to me the actual latitude and longitude locations of these storm drains. There's two points. There's the inlet and the outlet. So I'm guessing, meeting. I've got about 500 points to map out for that. So I am looking for volunteers. I did find a volunteer that's helping me out for last week or so to help me finish up the first part of the hydrants. So that's progress because yes, I can sit at home for hours, for days, just mapping out stuff So yes, that's coming up. That's next face getting the strong ring started I'm also working on I've got a few neighbors who keep asking me for a map of the basic egress Roads that we have in case of evacuation in case of an emergency which roads can they use to get out? We have somewhat of a map and it needs to be finished. So actually, we're working on that this on that this week to try to get that finished. It just needs to be added on. A few more roads need to be included. Some need to be taken out. That needs to be cleaned up. And I'll provide that to the EPC, maybe we can distribute it to whoever's interested in whatever form would be electronic or branded form. Another interesting project that I just started is, as you know, we've had this Genesis project going as far as the five evacuation zones that are plugged in through Genesis Internet system that they have. They also have an option to have an acoustic notification. It basically implies that if there's an emergency anybody or certain group needs to be evacuated, certain zones needs to be evacuated, that this acoustical system would go off and verbally would say folks living in zone 775, it's time to get ready to evacuate or something of the sort, whatever may be happening. So it's another option. I am still working with the genesis people to get the rest of the information that we're passing on to either you and or the party department. I'm just gathering the information that's all I'm doing. Let's see. Our estimating were about halfway done, completing our online and offline volunteer sign-up form. It's got about 20 options so far. And they've been somewhat categorized. It's got the potential once the website, the Haber Heights website is updated to eventually be included permanently in the website so we can have a permanent version as it is. What I have now is through Google, Google's form, which is to say it's basically I own the form and The email that I have for in that forum for contact would be a beautify beautify LHH at gmail.com which that's the same email used for the Hussein the real cleanup project But that's in the process of being finished I see the other thing is April 26 is coming up That's when we do the the Hacienda Road cleanup. Just a shout out for anybody who's interested in helping out. Last but not least, oh, a couple more things. I did get finally recertified for my search training and I'm actively, proactively trying to get the La Haber Heights search team to go to and promote it to other La Haber Heights residents to join. They have exercises every two months or so. So that would be something that we need to get involved with. And like I said, I'm proactively trying to get this done. I've been contacting them and emailing them so we can hopefully get this done. I did talk to a couple of Lahabra Heights cert folks when I was at City Hall Lahabra. I talked to a couple of people from Lahabra cert team when they were at the Lahabra City Hall cert training that happened last couple of weekends ago. So the last thing I have is that a few more residents have actually stepped up and are trying to join the Firewatch group. And that I've also bought my own radio norms. So we'll be returning the radio that you let me back to you so you can give it to the next person that's coming on to Firewatch. So that's all I have. Thank you. Hey John, just one thing. Can you, for the certs, can you email me how you want people to get in touch with you or coordinate on cert? I'd like to add it to an article that I'm going to write. Sure. Okay, thank you. All right, Susan Brooks. Good evening, Councilmembers. This is Susan Brooks. I'm at 335 West Skyline. And I am here representing the Law Breites Improvement Association. As you know, the Improvement Association does a lot of activities within the city like Halloween Haunt, Morning with Santa, Music in the Park, Yard Sale, along with Jim maintenance. And I think the new president for the fire department, they are very active. And I am here to talk about the newest activity, which is the Easter egg hunt. And that will be April 12th. And it's a very good family activity. We've been holding it for a number of years now. We have a egg with the kids go out and three different egg for age-appropriate groups. And then we also have face painting, pony rides, petting zoo, and a balloon twister. So it starts at 10 o'clock. About Easter Bunny will arrive, maybe about 10 after 10. And I will be out of the country during this. I'm chairman of it. But unfortunately, I'll be out of the country, but Angela Owen will be co-chairing this with me for this event. So I'm encouraging everyone to come. It's free for everyone who attends, just we ask that you bring a bag of individually wrapped candy. So mark your calendars, April 12th, 10 o'clock. I am in the park. Thank you. Thank you, Susan. All right. Kathy and Tom Torrini. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Councilmembers and residents of the City of La Habra Heights. My name is Kathy Taverny. We live in La Habra Heights. This is my husband, Tom. We're here to ask about the situation with where disposal. In the last week I I've been in touch with each one of you, and each of you has assured me that the situation is being looked into regarding the Scout service. I've been assured that the city manager is looking into it, and that the city attorney is looking into it. I would like to reiterate that between the time we moved into the house as brand new construction in April of 2002 until August of 2024, we had trash collection by the regular sized trash trucks, not small ones. We didn't have scout service. We're having a difficulty with wear disposal because they are insisting that we should pay for scout service on our street. We don't have scout service. That's a fraudulent charge. I took pictures which I sent to you all of the smaller sized trash truck collecting the trash in our neighborhood. For 22 and a half years, we had the large size ones and they were perfectly adequate. There was no problem with the street. So I would like to find out what has transpired. Like I said, we can't have a two-way conversation with you during the council meeting, but I can ask. That can speak to it. Yeah, so your issue has been passed on to City Attorney's Office and an individual in my office who's a trash expert. That's what I know. It sounds fun. Aren't all lawyers. But so we're looking at those issues City managers are aware of it and we're going to track down and be communicating with you as to what can be done. Okay. We have our trash cart sitting in front of our house unempted because where would not collect them because we're not paying for those fraudulent charges. We can test fraudulent charges but we understand your issue and you know we'll be getting back to you. I don't have an answer for you right now because we are talking to where as we speak. Can you give me an approximate date that we might hear something? Probably by the end of the week. End of the week is what we're trying to get it resolved by. All right. I'd like to say one other thing. I looked online, you know, for anyone who wanted to do diligence on where, and on Yelp they have 115 reviews. 103 of them are ones or less. Three of them are two's. 92% were negative views in their three common themes. One, we are lies to everybody. Look at the, you can look at those reviews. They just lie all the time. The second one is they overcharge, and they charge fraudulently. The third one is they extort them to pay those charges by saying they're not gonna collect their trash unless they pay them. And sadly in there I saw two or three people that moved out of the area as they lived in because nobody would resolve the issue with where. They're not a credible company. You can look online yourself. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm just going to pause for just a moment. Well, I mean, the individual is allowed to say what he wants in public comment. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for interrupting you. Go ahead. Okay. Those are available for anybody to look at. By the way, you can go online and find the reviews of where. what I said is 100% the truth. And I went to the Air Force Academy, where honesty and integrity were drilled into me. I spent 38 years in the military, where honesty and integrity were essential. And I refuse to be intimidated by fraudulent charges and extortion. That is not the way I wanna live. That's not the way I want to live. That's not the way any residents should live. All right. Any other public comments? Not associated with the annexation? Okay. I am going to move up item 20, which is second. So item 20 is consideration of the annexation of the Los Angeles County Islands. I think you may. Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'll give you a brief report on this one. So within the City of La Haber Heights, there are two areas that are sort of in our, Lafko or the agency that controls how cities are annexed and incorporated and they call them spheres of influence. So those are areas that are unincorporated county areas that are generally directly adjacent to properties or borders of communities. For Laudmire, there's two areas. There's the neighborhood that's just across the street from city hall. And then there's another neighborhood on the very east side of town that are in the sphere of influence area from those. So within those areas, they are sort of looked at by Lafko as being like a primary to be incorporated within the city, within the boundaries of the community, and we'll sort of clean up the areas in the boundaries. Those two pockets of areas likely have the Hopper Heights addresses, obviously because our post office that services us also services those neighborhoods, similar services and all of those things that go along with it. Since there are a couple of areas there, there is a process to go through to look at annexing. So you can look at a process to be able to go out and incorporate those into the city and move them to become part of the city in no longer county islands. That way, the city would provide services to those areas and they would become part of our community. So this was an item that council member, stephler wanted to look at the potential for looking at annexing those two areas within our sphere of influence to incorporate them into the community and bring them into city law rights. So we would be able to provide services for those communities and look at those various areas. I can turn it over if Commissioner Stathler has any more comments or thoughts. Maybe what we'll do Greg is we'll hear from the public and then we can take what we heard from Rafferty the public into our consideration of the item. L. Lieberman. Yeah, come up here because we televised these and we record them. I know. So my name is Lisaiza at Leibon. I live on 180. Someone that moved into that property in 1961, I have wonderful property taxes. And I want to know. Anyway. Any way. Can give official tax advice but the answer is no. No as far as property taxes. Your base property tax. Okay but it will affect other areas. We can talk about a more detail but there is the city's in a fire I don't know if that areas in the city's fire district so there are other assessment districts that potentially could be included on your property that currently aren't. Okay and would we have to have that crappy garbage collection or would we stick with valley I just had to do a good test. That was funny. Good. Don't believe everything you hear. Yes, generally a city's trash collection is city wide under the city's franchise agreement. Yes. Who'd get, does trash in the county islands now? Valley Bistet. Okay. So yes, it would most likely be in court changed over to where? Last question. Street parking. Wouldn't would not affect my home, but my neighbors are often multi-generational with lots of cars. Nay, park on the street would they have to find new parking? We've got this meeting isn't really that level of detail. Yeah. OK. Thank you. But I mean, I think our commitment would be that we would have just as we've done in the fire. So we just had a public workshop on issues that are important. We would probably hold a public workshop where we can have the back and forth I think that you desire to have. So if we do move forward more than likely, that's usually the mechanism that we use so that the shackles kind of come off and we can have a two-way conversation. Okay, thank you. Yep. And we appreciate, let me just say that this is my idea. We appreciate all the residents in that, these are potentially and acceptable areas to come and tell us what's going on, what do you feel about, what do you think about it? For our purposes, we're just attempting to help the county eliminate these islands. That's our primary purpose is to do that, because it's very costly for the county to service islands when they're servicing from miles and miles away. So maybe we would be a better fit for your folks and that's what we're going to try to examine. So thanks for coming and we'll have a meeting on it. Okay, thank you. Melinda Larrabi. Hi, my name is Melinda Larrabi. I live in Art Shield. I don't live in the island. My question is, if the annex annexation happens, does that affect a hard time with the gate. And you're sorry, your president, the I'm. I'm president of the Harvard Heights Community Association. And that is that encompasses a Gava Avenue, Pasiflora, Mondo and Papyrus. Those are the streets that would be involved in the annexation. We are a group of 100 homes. And actually Mondo has additional homes that I'm not including because they are not a part of our association. I myself and the president, we have quarterly dues, we have three private parks, and it's a private association. My first question is how we would like to know how Lahabra Crest benefit? We call ourselves colloquially La Habra crest because obviously we're not really La Habra Heights. I mean, 40 plus homes are and then 60 are La Habra. So it's kind of odd because part of our association is serviced by the sheriff and part is serviced. 60 homes are serviced by the City of La Habra Police Department. All of our water is La Habra City water. Myself I lived on the floor drive for 13 years so I'm well acquainted with the City of La Habra Heights and we thought they were great. We had nothing but positive experiences with them. We are residents are concerned about how this would increase our costs like an additional city tax that might be levied onto us. That's one of our concerns. And also we would like La Haber Heights to know that our parks are private and they would not be open to the city of lojabra Heights for their use because we pay quarterly fees solely for the care and maintenance of those Properties and we pay for the water for those properties so we would need you guys to know that you guys could not use our parks because we paid for them. So mostly my question is what benefit would LaHobbercress gain from part of our association joining you? How would that help us? So that's my major question. All right. So those are all the public comments that I have. Greg, I'll turn it over to you. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. I'm going to go ahead and do it. So we would have to... I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. Thank you. I'll do that. I don't believe your mic might not be on it. I don't think they're picking up your audio. There you go. Okay. Is that better? Yeah. Okay. The last thing we want to do is create problem problem. We're hoping to solve a problem, frankly. The neat part about the general area here is that they're right across from City Hall. So you're right next to, we've had a lot of people come in wondering about building permits. And we have to send them to El Monta to the county, planning people. We've had people, we have a wonderful fire department that's right across the street from us and they don't have to travel a long distance to get to you. So we think there's benefits. And when those are outweighed by the negatives, I don't have a clue. The only way we're going to figure that out is hopefully today we'll vote to assign a a couple of people to do a due diligence analysis, look at the positives and the negatives, and find the things that might be problem. is hopefully today we'll vote to assign a couple of people to do a due diligence analysis, look at the positives and the negatives, and find the things that might be problems. And I certainly think that here I show it's going to be one of those issues that's difficult. I'm a lawyer by training, and so my brain is kind of spinning trying to figure out what the effectiveness would be. It's been funny, though, that we talk about housing, and there's a fairly significant legal issue now cropping up down in somewhere in Orange County over whether HOAs, BILA's can supersede the housing rules. That's not decided yet. And I'm sure that our city attorney will help me figure that out. But it's interesting to hear that there's this HOA. So what we're going to hope to do tonight is just pass resolution that assigns two people to examine this. We'll come back later in a month or two after we've done some due diligence. We'll probably talk to you, probably try to get a copy of the bylaws of your HOA, so we understand that a little bit better. Try to understand if there are CCNRs on the property there, conditions, covenants and restrictions that run with the land. Those are all things we should understand as we attempt to put this in a box and see if it's feasible or not. And I really appreciate you coming and telling us about this. We didn't know about that. So it's a good thing Thanks Greg taught yeah, I was just gonna say since I asked the question So really whatever you got going on as the HOA this wouldn't impact any of that you'd still be in HOA You'd have all those powers of it. It's really a quite going to be an analysis, is it better being part of the city or being, or part of the county, right? All the state law stuff is going to impact you either way, but it's, is it better to be in the city or the county? What? Well, yeah, if you own the park, park's yours, but it doesn't become a city park. We don't, All this is really a redrawing of the jurisdictional maps. Whatever's private remains private. Yeah. come at City Park. All this is really a redrawing of the jurisdictional maps. Whatever's private remains private. You should probably come up here if the mayor. So that I live at 612 Mondo so I'm in the same area and that development was built in, which predates the city. I'm kind of curious why it wasn't drawn into that area right from the get-go, and kind of why now. And the other, just another thought, was it just seems like it's actually more logically, since you can't even get into the neighborhood without going through La Habra. Not physically possible, but it would be actually more part of Orange County in La Habra rather than the Habraites. It's just the physical layout of it. So those would be my thoughts to talk to you, who's ever doing the due diligence. Thank you. So Greg, you want to, I think to move forward, you want to get a group together, get a subcommittee together of the council to look at this. We probably should have, we've heard a couple of questions that I think are good tonight that we probably should research a little bit more. Do we want, do you want to talk to the other council members and see who would be willing to participate on that? And then we can agenda this next month to come back and have you already, do we already have another willing participant? I'm willing right now. OK. So there we go. So we've got a subcommittee of Brian Bergman, Greg. Their contact information is available on the website. So feel free to shoot them. You know, your questions. Don't shoot them. I'm going to metaphor and send them, send them your questions. Don't shoot them. Metaphorically. Send them your questions. And you know rest assured that it's a process that will go through. My guess is like anything we'll have a workshop where people can come in and meet with the attorney. Usually we have the city attorney there. We have most of the council there to answer these questions. We're a little bit more able to have that dialogue that I think everyone wants to have tonight. We just stop to do. My city attorney's already upset with me for interrupting public comment earlier, but we'll just agree that right now it's you and Brian that will work on that subcommittee and we'll agenda this monthly as to get updates. That's not about right. Make I make a comment please? Okay, basically, I want to thank the people from across the street basically coming to our meeting. One of the problems I think we had over the years is a lack of communication between our side of Hossi and the near side of Hossi and I think it might be helpful if nothing else comes of this committee that we can establish the regular communication because what we do affects you and we don't want to mess you up too badly in vice versa, I'm sure. So we want to make a feel come included in the city even if you're not part of the city. So I encourage you to how are this issue develops to continue a liaison and communication with the city in vice versa. Thank you. Thanks, Norm. Any other comments? No, just one comment that thanks for everything that came and gave us that information. And I guess what I would be looking for, and hopefully Greg too, is more information. Questions are good, but information like the homeowners association, things like that and what works for you and what doesn't work for you and the people that lived in those pockets for a long time, what they would like to see or not like to see that type of information would be very helpful for myself. All right, so I think we've got a path forward. Greg and Brian will be part of the subcommittee that we'll look at this. We'll agendaize it monthly. For the folks that showed up, you know, if I don't know if you, if you, on our website, you can go into and look at the City Council agenda and then these items have a link to them and then the details that are you've got it. So feel free to share those. You know, if there's stuff you want to get us, so if there's information you'd like to get us for the council meeting, the City Manager and Christina can help you with that. So if you'd like to include stuff in the agenda just get it to them When we need about a weekend advance before the council meeting Yeah, so if there's stuff you'd like us to see get it get it to us about a weekend advance and we can put it in the agenda Yes, sir and just for the communities annexation is a long process you have to go through this county entity called Lafgo So it's it's isn't happening anytime soon. It is going to be a pretty drawn out process, just so you know. Yeah. All right, anything else on the subject? Undecide them? Okay, I'm going to go back then to the beginning. Thank you all for coming. Thank you very much. I'm going to go back to the beginning then. I think we left off. We just finished public comments. I don't think there's any more. We'll go to committee comments. I don't see any committee members here. Right. Kathy, do you have a you don't have a habitat update or anything, Kathy? Nope, okay. All right. City Council comments. Done? All right. Administrative report, city manager. Thank you, Mayor. We're gonna get some rain this week. So if you haven't already checked your drains and gutters and the Fendi sandbags or sandbags are available in front of the front door of City Hall and there's fresh sand at the park and the lower parking lot close to the arenas so everything is out there for you and please be prepared for a little bit of rain this week. All right city attorney. No comment. I'm not sure. Minu-D development. Building inspections have actually been pretty busy lately so if you have a permit in that process make sure to try to call in and get scheduled as soon as you can since we have been quite busy in the building inspection side of it as well. Fire chief. Good evening, City Council. The report of this February call load for the Le Haber Heights Fire Department is presented there. We had 54 calls this month, which is pretty much average. We've, but you guys have noticed we averaged between 50 and 60 every month. We are seeing a lot more activity in Le Haber Heights proper. Not so much work with the county at least on this month should also be aware that Brian Jorgensen chief Jorgensen is taken over the BCP program I think that he's been interfacing with all the different agencies or groups Committees that are necessary for him to to succeed in his role as the new uh, breast clearance program coordinator as well as as our paramedic coordinator. So, uh, I'm happy to see that the new administrative team that we put together in the fire department is all starting to come together and we're looking forward to moving into the breast season this year with uh, with Ryan at the helm. And that's all I have for the report. Do you, I know you were saying there's a lot more calls I'm looking at the list here in La Jover Heights. Do you have a way to track responses to the county islands? To the county islands? Yes. No, I don't have a way of tracking that now. I mean, the county got called out and we were mutually responded with the county. Right, so can you track calls to the county islands that we get? I don't think we have an algorithm in place that would pinpoint those specific areas. When we run with the county, we just get put on a ticket with the county. And mostly it's on Whittier where we come adjacent to. Not specific to the county islands. OK, if there's a way to track calls into that space, I think that's going to be something. Because they ask what intuitively one of the values is that you've got what, a one minute response time to most of these areas here. And probably are the first resource to show up to a lot of these islands that are right next to City Hall. So that'd be something that I think we should add to the value proposition for that. It might be that there are individual street names. Most of them are unique to the islands. Yeah. And so we could track perhaps by street name. The street name showed up on a call. We could just know that that was in the island then. Okay. Let's see what we can do. All right. Thank you. Anything else, Chief? That's it. Okay. Thank you. Oh, by the way, thank you for having the other two chief show up to to our wildfire workshop. They were very instrumental in its success. So thank you for that. Very well, thank you. Chair's department. Good evening, City Council. We had four residential burglaries last month, one vehicle burglary, one grand theft, petty theft, one hidden run and one traffic collision. Luckily to report that there was no violent crime this month or last one. And then same question for you and you in particular is my guess would be is that when you're here in the city if there's an issue in the county island, do those get assigned to you? Yes they do and I do patrol checks in that area. As a matter of fact I was there a couple days ago but I am always driving through there. I hear some of the residents complaints about suspicious vehicles. I go check it out but very good area. I spoke to some of the folks over there. Not about this issue about annexation. Yeah it would be interesting if you could over the next few months, even if it's just informally track, you know, the calls that end up in that where you're responding to the county island from the city. Yes. And you can think about that. I think we, we, we, cataloged, it's, it's part of the but La Habra Heights, we don't call it county area. So it would be in our report. It would help. We've cattle it's part of the Le Haber Heights. We don't call it county area so it would be in our report. I hope we're not getting billed for that. What's that? I ask a question for the city manager. Oh. I hope we're not getting billed for the time that our deputies spend in. No, in the unincorporated areas. No, like if there's actual response over there's not. Okay. But because it's in our area, it's all tracked. Got it. Our area. All right. Anything else? No, that's it. Okay. One last thing. It's, yeah, like the city manager said, it's separate. It's a different RD reporting district. Ah's right. Yeah, it's 1454. Okay, so it's assigned via that separate RD. Are we assigned to the county? Got it. So they don't have the same RD that we have. No, they don't. Oh, perfect. Okay. It makes perfect sense now. Thank you. All right. Let's go ahead and move into the consent calendar. Anybody want any of these pulled? Motion to approve. Second. Norm. Yes. Carol. Yes. Greg. Greg. Brian. Yes. And John's yes. All right. Let's move into the public hearing. I'll open the public hearing. Thank you, Mayor. Ms. Beesah, the item before you tonight is a protest hearing for unpaid brush clearance leans. So there is a total of seven properties that were on the list for consideration. Those properties have been through abatement. So through the process with brush clearance, we went through the entire process, worked with the owners to try to get them cleared before we were going to abatement, went through abatement Provided time for the owners to make payments before coming to lean so The ones on there tonight have made it to that process We did have one property come in today and make the payment for their brush cleanse So there's one on viris on that will come off of the list And they made the they made the payment today before the meeting before one, we did go through to double check the properties to see if any have outstanding brush clearance leans on the properties today and none of the properties all in there today have any outstanding brush clearance leans. So the recommendation for Council tonight is to review the project and overrule any protest if any offered during the protest hearing in a doubt resolution 2025-10 confirming the report of cost incurred by the city and authorizing the assessments as leans be placed on the tax rules effective March 10th 2025. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer. Any questions? One of my two usual questions are any of these repeat offenders There there is like to them on there that have had their properties abated in the past But they don't they have paid those those lanes the lanes are no longer on the properties Okay, and the second thing is as anybody on the list communicated with you about the brush care and so many other concerns about the abatement or have they not contacted you at all? We have been in contact with them through the process. No one has talked about not being able to afford the abatement process. But have they communicated saying, well, I think the brush clearance requirements are we misunderstood what you wanted us to do and something like that. No. Okay the one thing that bothers me I noticed with the care facility on a patchway is on the list. Is that the first time they've been on that list or had problems brush clearance? I think they have gone through the abatement process one time prior But typically usually they will work with the fire marshal to to do all their brush clearance for whatever reason this particular time We went out of debated the property Okay, here's my concern pretty specifically first of all that's a care facility for people having difficulty caring for themselves So in my mind they have a even greater incentive to To take out the brush clearance around the area so they know there's a putting their own clients in danger. Secondly, they're located very close to where the 1955 fire occurred that killed, I believe, six firefighters. And quite frankly, I'm willing to cut people slack if they've messed up one time and something like that. I release try to do something about it. But this is a care facility. They have a license from the state to take care of people having difficulty. We can't take care of themselves or have difficulty. And at some point, I'm not recommending that right now, but at some point, if this continues, we need to consider sending complaint to the licensing board that gives them a license pointing out to look if this keeps on going on. If it's the one time thing and they correct it and go on, that's Thanks Norm. Referee don't they have a business license with the city? They have a CUP that requires. Actually there. I don't know if you had that conversation with them, but I guess I would like you to have that conversation with them because I was here when I went through the CUP process for the residents and in the CUP there's additional inspection requirements because we had a big concern with the fire. So I'm troubled that they're on here. All right. So I guess what's the resolution? Well, let me just make sure there's no public comment and then we can. So any public comment on these items? I think we don't have anything online. Okay. All right. So. I mean, my recollection was they came in and got extra spaces in their CUP over the state law requires five or six and they got an expanded permission They went from six to nine and Yes, we approved that and in the CUP there were conditions for fire inspection So I guess what I would like to do is approve this and I'll make a motion to approve resolution 2025 as discussed the city manager spoke with the also with the condition that we review that the city manager reviews the COP, CUP for appropriate action. Second the motion. Norm? Yes. Carol? Yes. Greg? I will close the public hearing. Second the motion. Norm. Yes. Carol. Greg. Brian. Yes. John's. All right. I will close the public hearing. All right. Item 16. Angie? That will be Angie tonight. Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. Today I am bringing the fiscal year 2324, Annual Financial Report. little late this year, but still in time to apply for, excuse me, for the award. This is the seventh year that we've compiled this report and yes, it is a seventh year. So pretty much the annual comprehensive financial report, it provides a thorough explanation of the city's fiscal condition and, excuse me, and is the best practice standards for financial reporting. The financial report also includes the letter of transmittal, or org chart, a list of our principal officials as of the end of fiscal year 2324, and also some of our schedules. In the document, the letter of transmitters included as well as the MDNA, which is a management discussion and analysis, which is written by myself and to the city manager. And it serves as an executive summary of kind of everything that's happened in that fiscal year, 2324. And also how it has impacted the year. We also met with the auditors February 11th. So the audit committee comprised of Mayor Per Tem angle heart and council member Staffler and we met with the auditors to review the financial reports and the committee recommends that the City Council receive and file the reports. So we did have one general recommendation this year which could be found in the auditor's communication report and we've already implemented the change in the current fiscal year. So it is recommended that City Council receive and file the annual comprehensive financial report which includes a GAN limit communication letter, the gas letter, and the financial report for fiscal year ending 20 to 324. Please let me know if you have any questions. Any questions? Recommended receiving file? I just have a question. You've mentioned the GAN limit and we're in compliance with that. We are in compliance with the GAN limit. Is that correct? Yes, we are. As of 2324, yes. I know in past years we had to, I can't remember it had to go to a vote of the city in order to exceed the GAN limit, but I guess we're in good shape. Okay, thank you. And I don't think we need a motion to receive and file, do we, Todd? No. Okay. Angie, thank you for all your work on the audit. Appreciate it, and that leads us to item number 17. That you, Rafferty, that's going to talk about this or does Angie get to talk about her? How great she is. Angie can talk about how great she is. She's great. Angie. All right. So we had applied for the GFOA certificate of achievement for the financial reporting program for the previous year. So the deadline to apply is, I think at the end of the calendar year, we did apply and The GFOA was in contact with me kind of going back and forth answering questions. They have their own committee where they have the reviewers. So it went longer than usual. They must have had less reviewers this year. But anyhow, we did receive the certificate of achievement for excellence in financial reporting for the previous fiscal year, 2223. We received it back in, I want to say December, but we had so many items on the agenda. I didn't want to add one more, so I'm just adding it now. So again, this is for the fiscal year that ended in June 30th, 2023. We did receive a little brass medallion. With the year, I believe I put it up. I'm not sure, but it's in our collection, so I'm hoping to fill the plaque. We have, I think, about four spots left, and then we'll have to get a new one. And that's about it. Thank you. Let me know if you have any questions. And she thank you for the work associated with even just applying for that. It's good to have that supplemental review of our practices and get that feedback from those professionals. I'm sure that look at cities a lot more complex than ours. But to hear that we're doing the things that we should be doing and being recognized, that not only we're doing them we're doing them in an excellent fashion. I think that's very meaningful, so thank you for your effort there. I would like to add that most cities do have a budget team. We have, I think our team consists of two individuals. I'm primarily working on the numbers with the auditors and putting together all the documents. There are a couple of staff members that do help me kind of put the document together. Well I focus on the number and the numbers and the written portion. They make it look nice and formatted and really nice. So I'm very grateful to have them. And everything we do is manually. We don't really have any web design programs or anything. So it's very, very time consuming. And those staff members are? Jesse Hernandez and Joshua Chavez. Thank you. Any questions for Angie? Comments? No, just a big thank you on the fine job that you've done. All right. Item 18. Thank you, Mayor Council. the senate before you is for a recommendation to purchase a new recruitment and applicant tracking system In the past city as you used a one company that ended up merging to another company and through that process as we made that migration into the new software It looked like it was going to be really good and fit very, very, very well. But as we made that migration and started using the software, and primarily there's two people that do most of that work. One is Christina and the other is Dawn in the Fire Department. We're primarily responsible for all of our recruitment. So submitting a job ads, communicating with applicants, scheduling interviews, and compiling all of the application packets for review by the interviewers. As we made it through there, we just started having some troubles with the current company. So, since it was not working very well, we started looking at alternatives. And there is another alternative that we found, which was a company in a website called NeoGov. So, NeoGov is associated with one of the largest government jobs recruitment websites. So there's a couple of benefits that we get by this new system if we choose to make that migration to it. One is our jobs are posted on this large government website that offers specifically government jobs. So people that are looking for government jobs can go there and find it and the other benefit too is everything is embedded within that website. So if somebody finds an interest in our application they can click apply and then start the application right through that process, right through that website. And the one nice thing is that website, typically people, you know, people seeking jobs create profiles in there so they have all of their certifications for like firefighters so they have all their certifications that they have already in there. It makes them really simple and fast and easy for them to apply. So there is a benefit for the ease of use today. We have a couple of positions we have our ties on there but it transitions you back to our website So you have to leave that system go to a different system for those things. And then just we're old school that way. We have physical papers, we create files, and a lot of things that were coming out printing wise. We're magnifying glasses trying to get to it. So ultimately moving to a newer system would be a benefit to staff. and I think for recruitment as well. There is a cost associated with that, so this particular company, we would qualify for the lowest tier of cost, which is about $5,100. So we're $5,100 a year. There is an initial setup fee of just over $4,000 for that initial building of our page, integrating all of our information and developing our application within there. So staff's recommendation is to authorize the city manager to terminate the agreement with criterion and enter into an agreement with NeoGov based on forms approved by the city attorney and authorize the finance manager to amend the fiscal year 2024 25 budget to increase general services account number 101-150GSD-6235 by 9,356 dollars. If you have any questions, happy to answer them for you. Any questions? Motion? Move to approve. Second. Norm? Yes. Carol? Yes. Brian? Yes. Greg? Yes. And John Ches. Item 19. Item 19, we, last week, we had a defensible wildfire workshop that included representatives from City Council, Planning Commission, and Public Safety and Emergency Prep emergency preparedness committee. Also there were representatives from our fire departments or deputy chief and our fire marshal will there to answer questions. And Mayor Pispisa helped arrange to have somebody from Cal Fire who represents my safe LA come make a presentation to our residents. Attached to the report are the slides from that presentation. It was a great presentation and provided a lot of insight. Opened a good discussion between the people at the workshop and the panelists for it. So we wanted to share the slides and give you a little more information about that workshop. Thank you. And you know, for the folks that weren't able to attend and that are watching this meeting, we did record the meeting. Is that recording available on the city's website? It is where you go to minutes and agendas. It will say, wildfire workshop. If you click there, the video is available. And again, and she all that you tell me when the time is right. But I would like to give our Fire Marshal some additional time at a council meeting to come up and reaffirm I think what we all heard as part of that workshop which is the critical importance that our brush clearance program has in the city along with the home hardening material and benefits that were presented there. So I'll let you tell us when that time is right, but I do want to make sure we kind of footstomp what we all heard at that workshop, which is that our brush clearance program is critical to creating that defensible space and then would also like to the rafferty maybe get with our brush clearance contractors. I know a couple of them have some ideas of how to maybe expedite some of the clearance issues that we have in the city. Any other questions? Not a question. I just wanted to say I thought it was a really useful program and I'm usually bored by this and I would strongly, if I know not that many people listen to these meetings, but if you did you might want to look at it because the fellow from Cal Fire, I thought thought had some new ideas about how you can protect your home that aren't, are more than just putting mesh over your vents. Yep. I thought it was good. And you did a good job too, John. Thank you. I had a couple of comments. I think I look at these recommendations and some of them, of course, would be very expensive and difficult for a lot of owners to put in effect, especially all at once. But perhaps one thing we have to look at is when the we approve a new house or perhaps Even a major remodel is for requiring some of these recommendations. And just for consideration, my advocating of a suggesting we can think about it. For example, a lot of requiring all new homes to have a class A roof. Again, just thinking about that requirement. Secondly, it is perhaps the out of take good hard look at our step-back requirements and how often we grant standards modifications to accommodate somebody wants to build a bigger home or something of this nature. We have to try to look at the maintaining the spaces between homes and be a little more strict on that. Anyway, I have no proposals at this time, but just something to think about. Thank you. Anyone else? All right. Just just want to comment. I guess I'm. We'll get into this probably later on, but we need to, from this workshop, there was a lot of ideas that came up in defensible space and things. And I'm sort of advocating 200 foot clearance from anything where we've got brush and things. So the fire department can review that and get back to us on it. I think there's a couple things that came out of that workshop that I would expect the city manager to help us track. One of them is the code enhancements we should be working towards. The second is, you know, looking at a brush clearance program through some additional lenses And the third thing I think is the code enforcement component of this, which is ensuring that where we do have clutter, where we do have properties that need to be abated, not just from a brush clearance perspective, but where there is clutter around the house that could cause a fire risk. In my mind, we should start treating those homes like we do. The people that fail to obey from a brush perspective, because they're both as dangerous. So, things where we need to start looking at our code, little bit more closely with this, with this fresh set of ideas coming out of the recent tragedies in Althadena and the Palisades. Another thought is we've granted a lot of standards modifications for houses that are larger and more dominant than those in the neighborhood, on condition that they be screened, especially screened by vegetation. And now we're being told that while the screening of the vegetation is either too excessive or too, or a bad choice of vegetation tends to be more flammable. So again, we ought to think about going forward as to how we grant these status modifications, if we ought to consider them from a fire stamp one also. And quite frankly, if a house is huge, a lot bigger than houses in the area and as since in violation of general plan list is properly screened and it cannot be properly screened given the given the fire the the concerns about fire and so forth perhaps we ought to take a good look at that also. Anyway just some thoughts. Thank you. Any other comments? All right. Let's move to item 21. So the item was agenda was by Councillor Perra. Just a discussion related to benefit assessment district number seven for street improvement projects. Back in 2017 the city went through the process with the Roads Advisory Committee to look at how to fund improvements and do greater street improvements in the community and continue to raise our PCI and the conditions of our streets. So at that particular time, the Reservoir Committee went through a process, looked at options, worked with the City Council, and ultimately a benefit assessment district was the mechanism that was decided upon the best possibility and opportunity for us to make significant improvements in our roadways. So over the last several years, we have been completing street improvement projects based on that. So when the benefit assistance district was established in 2018, we were looking at street improvement projects that would be about $900,000 a year was roughly what was dissipated to be the cost of projects in that particular time frame for that. So that was sort of how that program was developed and we looked at the city looked at we would put $500,000 into the program at a base level. That would be with restricted transportation funds and general funds to be able to fund that portion of the project. The remaining would go through the benefit assessment district and get assessed on property owners who would pay that as part their property taxes. Through there. So we have been going through this process and when we originally began looking at the benefit assessment district, we had a PCI rating. So it's a pavement condition index which is done through what's called a PMP or pavement management program. So we have an engineer that comes in and reviews the streets and looks at the different conditions of segments of streets and then from there they develop our overall PCI limits. So what are the overall condition of our streets as an aggregate across the entire community? When we started we were at 65.1. The goal is to try to get to 75 PCI rating. So our last, the last PMP that was done put us at a 70.4 was where we have come. That actual condition was rated back in 2022. So that was when the engineers went out, we're due to start this process again. They're typically like five year processes, but we usually do it on like-year update cycle. So we're going to be in the process of updating the PMP again this year. We'll work with the Rhodes Advisory Committee to update the PMP, and we'll get a new survey of the roads, and we'll get a new PCI-rated to see where we fall today. To that, we did look at trying to include a little bit of a map, so there's a map associated with it that highlights the areas where we have done street improvement projects based on benefit assessment districts. So this covers the areas that were funded with the benefit assessment district. We have completed five projects and we have two that are in design right now. At the end of last month, the Roads Advisory Committee at the 60% plans for that. They're reviewing those right now and making some recommendations on any tweaks or changes. So we can move into completing those plans and getting that out to bid to start that larger project. We're doing a little bit of a test case with this one because council at that time, let's look at combining two years worth of projects into one to see if we can get some economies of scale with a little bit of a larger project. We might get a better unit price or things like that because over the last several years we have seen the cost of construction continuously climb when we were first doing the projects. The cost for construction was in that 7 to 800,900,000 range about what we were. The last three projects we have done, they have been slowly increasing in a million 1.2, 1.35, so we've been seeing an escalating of cost for construction. It's not just unique to the law rights that we're sort of seeing industry wide across all the other areas. We've had several other cities say the same thing that they've opened bids for street projects and it was like twice what the engineers estimate was. So we've definitely seen an increase over the last several years of the cost of the projects. The projects we're doing are much greater in cost and obviously more expensive so we're putting more money into those particular projects. But it just of highlights we have made it all the way back through the zones We we started the first project was in zone five which is at north east corner of the community And we have worked clockwise around and just completed back to the project and are the ones that are in design or back starting in zones five and three So So it's good to see those projects come back around. As part of this particular project, Council is also authorized a crack fill project as every project we do crack fill. That isn't shown on here because that's something above and beyond. The typical street improvement we do, it's something that Council wanted to do at the time and you know, so to say at least $35,000 to do a crack fill project. This last project we did we went back and crack filled a project that we did previous to the benefit assessment district so we called the 1718 project was crack filled as part of that particular project so we went back to try to do the maintenance on the work of the areas and we've done work trying to continue with with that maintenance and go back and attach those streets as we move around to continue the longevity of the roads that we have done. So that's kind of where we are right now, as far as benefit assessment district, we have a couple of years left and we'll be looking to, looking at funding the roads more as we go along. So if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them for you. Any questions? I have one. So we talked a little bit informally about the process we use on streets. Whether we actually ripped them up and then relay or whether we lay over. We talked a little bit about trying to understand using all of these past projects, whether we have had failures because we didn't, we didn't rip off to the underlayment and lay. Is there a way that we can understand better where we made perhaps not the right, the best decision? I understand that there's always inflation and that's significant to us. But if the method, when you just did Greenview, the public portion of Greenview, we scarf scarf that all the way down and Then we relayed over it and My guess is that's going to having looked at it carefully. That's going to last a lot longer than some of the other work we've done Part of that just because there isn't a lot of traffic on that stretch of road, but I'm wondering whether we have a way to learn from the processes we use or we employed. Do you think there is? Yes, definitely as you kind of see, like project-wise size, we did a couple of projects and we're just like all grinding overlay, no slurry or any other. There, your typical methods of street improvements are like full reconstruct. So with that you would remove the entire street including the base and you would relay a six inch base and then a two inch cap on it. So you were taking the street all the way down to nothing and then re-laying the entire area. Current project we're on, we did that on deep canyon because that street was just, there was a very thin, there wasn't a base underneath there that was strong enough to support the roadway. So we had to rip it off. So you've reconstruct grinded it overlay, which is typically we'll remove the top two inches of asphalt off the street and then relay two inches of asphalt back down. Then you can look at Cape Seal, which is like a slurry. So it's an oil with gravel chips in it. Not our preferred method to do the Cape Seal. There's a couple of things there. It's incredibly messy for a long period of time because as you drive on there, all those little rocks and stones roll off and accumulate and go everywhere. And it doesn't really last that much longer than slurry which is an except down as just slurry which is a thin coat of asphalt with like a sand material in it to provide an extra wire surface on the road. And the last method you do is crack seal. Just trying to prevent the water from getting down in there. First project we did was all grind and overlay in the road's committee we looked at it and then worked on trying to apply different methods so we did grind and overlay and slurry for two projects which we sort of found our streets are in need of grind and overlay. There's more streets that are asking to be ground and overlayed than slurry. So we've moved over the last two projects to move more into the grind and overlay less than the slurry. It may mean we don't do quite as much covering of area, but ultimately in the long run, you know, an overlaid street, you should get about a 20 year lifespan on that roadway, whereas a slurryurry or a Cape seal? It's gonna be a much shorter lifespan to it so It gets us a better longevity it gives us a better chance to be able to get around and then do continue to meet to and maintenance to them So we go back to these zones work on crack filling to seal any cracks that may have shown up to prevent water from getting down Or slurring them to provide some more longevity to get even more life out of them. The other questions? The current road assessment, I think you told me expires in 2028. So would it appear on the property tax bills in 2028 or is 2027 the last year it would? I would have to check the exact dates of when the original assessment went on. I think it went on the second half of of 2018. So it would probably appear on the first half of the 2018 assessment, but we can double check that. I guess my concern is in the the last, I don't know, two, at least two projects, they've been, the bids have been like 500,000, 400,000 over the projections. And we need to get on our agenda when we're going to, we have to have the people vote on whether they want to renew the assessment. So that vote has to be in 27 at least. And we need to start before that, making sure the people in the heights understand the problems. So I don't know if we want to We set a target date where we start moving on this. I know there was an assessment, I don't know, 10 years ago where the city didn't educate, didn't issue, there were no citizens in favor of the tax. There was some opposition and the whole road assessment Fell off the back off the off the taxes and we didn't have money for Do you know how many years it was? I don't know that you were even here then I think it was just before I started Yeah, the last time they did the assessment. I don't know it was do you know mr. Bergman was it it I believe we lost it for two years. I mean it was a substantial setback that really hurt us going into this and just a comment that I mean we had a pretty good plan here and we pulled it down as tight as we possibly could at that time but inflation has destroyed this thing it really has. I mean it, it's, we're not getting what we ever thought due to the inflation, and we're going to have to, I agree with what Carol is saying, and we need to start having discussions with the community as far as, you know, how we want to move forward with the, you know, assessments and things. But someone has to calculate what we're going to. I'm assuming that when this one was passed, the existing assessment was passed, there was projections to touch practically every touch, practically every street. So the thought process behind this one was generally to raise that PCI level, which means you're doing substantial amounts of work to raise that PCI level for it. Obviously, to do the benefit assessment district, we work with an engineering firm that looks at the conditions of the roads, it will look at where we want to be or go, and then from there also looks at trends as far as like the cost of construction to look at Potentially what those things would be like water the comfort level of the community in the city isn't spending it and We'll work on Developing what those engineering studies would be and potential associated costs. So when is that do we do we schedule that? that, probably don't have to start right now, but we need to get started Sometime in the next year I think at least more towards the end of the year It's probably a good time to be we can those discussions and my recommendation on that girl We that we look at we have two assessments right we have the fire assessment. We have the roads assessment I wouldn't want to do those. I'd want to make sure we kind of looked at if we're going to go out and do this, we should probably look at both and say give it because the same, the same pressures applied to both, right? The inflationary costs associated with running a fire department, the inflationary costs associated with running, maintaining our roads are both there. You have a need in both areas to really look at them and say, is a road sufficient and is our fire assessment sufficient. I would think that we'd want to test both of those concurrently and not try to do one and then do the next one. That's just my opinion, but they're, because I know they're both under pressure right now. I'd like to hear from Greg, his Greg agenda is this item. So one other thing that has occurred to me that I'm learning more and more about our fiscal position is that we have to consider whether or not we even expand assessments to attempt to level off the cost of public safety. The right now we're in a poor negotiating position for police services. We're in a position where the two years down the road is not a very favorable look for us unless something happens since we're so limited in terms of what our revenue is. So to me, I would love to see us attempt to package the entire public safety issue together, M.S. Fire and police and attempt to sell that broadly to the community. Roaches is an obvious one but in Roads we're going to get into these kind of discussions about well did we do it right? And I don't think with regard to public safety that argument applies I think we can say to people look if we're going to have a stabilized city and we're going to be able to employ enough people to provide benefits to our city, we're going to have to somehow come to grips with the fact that police services is uncontrollable for us. I mean, literally uncontrollable. All we can do is cut benefit. We can't control the way in which they're apportioned to us. We have very little leverage. And having said that it would be far better if we said to people, look, you really want public safety. If you want it, there's three components, EMS, fire and police. I think we're and I'm going to blame myself for this. I think we're getting a little off the agenda is topic, but maybe what we need to do. We can discuss some time in the future, more broadly, some of those. But I think Greg, thank you for bringing up the item because the item is stimulating the conversation around our need to look at all the issues that are impacting us and determine, you know, maybe we roll these things up going forward into a public safety assessment rather than these individual ones. So something to think about. Well, I just, the point is it's all fiscal issues. This is all a fiscal issue. This is really not much public policy but if you're going to argue for adjusting for fire and EMS That's logical that you would consider at least that now we we can certainly agenda is at some time and have an open discussion about it But I don't think I think you have a better argument with the public if you're honest with them about each of those three components that make up public safety Yep, they're all important equally important to each of us and the make sure I'm clear roads police and fire of the three Now fire includes paramedics Now I would I would roll that's for. Now I would roll that up into the one. Okay, all right, good discussion. Thank you, Carol, for, thank you, started it. So thank you for. Great, started it. Well, all right, any other discussion on this item? All right, I guess we have to pay some bills. Yes, next item before you is the replacement of the main waterline manifold at the park. So, back in early February, we actually received a call from a resident at contact at Grace we're seeing in the morning that there was some flooding. In the park, you can see some of the pictures there. You can see the water that was out there. After looking at it, we determined that somebody had actually broken into the cage that covers our backflow preventer and cut off the whole section of it included backflow pressure regulator valves for the sprinkler system and some of those things. So all of that was cut off. We contacted the Sheriff's Department, our wonderful deputy, Bill Chan, came out to the report for us from there, but obviously we had park rentals that were upcoming, so we needed to get the water done, so we did it on an emergency basis, and hired a contractor to go out and do it, and they actually did it in the rain. So we were very thankful for them being able to get out there so fast, and take care of it even though it was raining at the time for it. But so we did do a emergency Measure to be able to put that back into place So the recommendations tonight is just to authorize the finance manager to amend the budget For 9,407 dollars so account 101 dash 450 PW, 6610 for the replacement of the main water line manifold, which includes the master valve, pressure regulator valve, pressure backflow, and other gate valves and repair a spiket that was done by California Arborist and complete tree care. If you have any questions, happy to answer for you. So what have we done to prevent this from happening again? Because these, I mean, obviously these copper these that probably was brass and copper there. Yes. That's what they were off after. So have we built a cage around this thing? Are we doing something to prevent this from happening? They're actually currently is a cage around it. They cut the lock off that is on there I'm so we have replaced the locks with a much larger order to cut locks on the cage to to prevent them to accessing it So they they went in and use the universal key to remove the padlocks that were on the on the cage that covers this whole manifold today So do we think that's going to be sufficient or do we need to think about approving some additional funds or have someone go? And that's a lot of money you can have a. We could definitely look at it if council is okay with providing some additional funding, look at different ways to do it. We might be able to enclose it in a box so it's harder to get to the Salzal off or try to clip or cut through with the torch and make some improvements to it. And also prevention. So yes I would part of this approval would make the motion also as the staff to look at additional hardening of that prevention device. Yeah, like you said, you can put a heavy box around it or you have to come in from the bottom. But the other thing I was gonna talk about is, do we have any, do we have any cameras up there for any surveillance at all? We currently don't have any cameras at the park. And guess maybe we should take a look at that and get some pricey and For some cameras aren't that expensive anymore. I don't know what the council feels about that. I would say a couple things. and answer prevention again. I'm surprised that we haven't had more vandalism at the park, given, you know, hopefully the, you know, we keep the lights on there, we have other things that hopefully prevent it, but I'll second what Council Member Bergman is bringing up. I think we should have some type of video surveillance, even if it's reviewed after the fact to give the Sheriff's Department that's oversight, but also signage is cheap. Basically putting up signs that there's video surveillance, whether there is or isn't, might be another option that we look at to try to prevent some of this from happening. But yeah, now that we're having this happen, I think we need to probably step up the surveillance of the park, especially around the gym building. I do hope people who committed the theft are not listening to our council meeting tonight. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist but we didn't need to discuss and there are things we need to discuss individually with the city management and so forth. I have some other ideas which I'll keep it myself at this point. Thank you. I'm sorry for teasing you a little bit on that. I couldn't resist. I feel pretty safe having that discussion or knowing the number of people that watch your council meetings. Do we have any other copper lying around that we need to protect or have you already done that or isn't there any other? What's exposed is mostly right there. Everything else is buried. We do have one here at City Hall but it is also on a cage. So if we do hardening we should probably do it at both locations. All right. Motion. Are there further discussion? I'll make a motion that we approve the monies and adjust the budget accordingly and that we also have staff do the hardening for the lock. So it's not so you can't just go in there with the saws all and also look at surveillance and what that's gonna cost and bring that back. Yes. Carol. Greg. Yes. Brian. Yes. I'm yes. All right. Broken sprinkles. Am yes. All right. Broken sprlers. The park. Yes. We do have a, we've been having some work done on the sprinkler system at the park and part of it. We've found there's quite a few broken valves in the parks, the main valves that run to the main lines through it. So staff reached out to the contractors and to get quotes to replace six broken water valves at the park that are in in boxes in buried below so nothing that somebody is like stealing or tampering with it's just over time age In water pressure and those those sorts of things to replace those so obviously we found six We'd like to repair all six of those So we reached out to companies to get bids and quotes and the lowest came from Coleman's landscape at $3,400 to make those those replacements and staff is requesting that City Council authorize funds to the Public Works account of 101-450 PWA-D6610 for the costs of repairing six broken sprinkler valves totaling $3,400 for Coleman's landscape. We have any questions? Happy to answer. Questions Questions? Motion. Move to approve. Second. Ryan. Yes. Greg. Yes. Carol. Yes. Norm. Yes. John Chess. All right. Item 24. Item 24 is a request to utilize the Los Angeles Conservation corpse for literal abatement services for two areas. One, along Hossie and the road, the other is along Carper Boulevard. And then the past city is used some calverscycling funding that we have towards cleaning and reducing waste and recycling utilizing recycled materials. They give us a grant grant, we can apply for and get for those ones. So we do have some money that has been budgeted and the budget related to that grant. And in the past, we have done things like replace the trash cans at the park. We have put in recycled milk jug, picnic tables, and benches and things like that. So we've done most of those projects. We have also in the past worked with the LA Conservation Corpse to do litter abatement. So we reached back out to look at Hossie Endon Harbor Boulevard and to our two major Therofares that have pretty heavy traffic Close to them. So this was a request to do traffic Abatement twice a month. So for the litter abatement twice a month along those stretches of roadways. So essentially, Hossie endowickly get cleaned once a month in Harbor, Royate cleaned once a month for this one. So the cost for that service for the remainder of this fiscal year is about $11,583.20. They do all of the work. They come with a supervisor. They have a group of people that are usually young adults that are in there and learning work and life skills as part of the conservation corps idea and monters and what they do. So they provide that job training for that. Those individuals are working for them and getting in paycheck but also learning a a skill and doing those things. They come with the appropriate traffic control to provide safety for the people doing the actual work along the roadways. So this is something we've done quite a bit over the years. We haven't done it over the last few years, but something we're requesting to do. So the recommendation is for the City Council to authorize City Manager to enter an agreement and a form approved by the City Attorney with the Los Angeles Conservation Court for Literature Bateman Services and the amount not to exceed $15,000. Do I have any questions on the happy to answer here? I thought the county had maintenance responsibilities for Harbor. Does that not include? They do. Thinking up the litter on Harbor Boulevard? They do. Usually they don't come out and do anything until we start complaining about what it looks like over there. And then a lot of times mostly what they're doing is just the like a weed abatement, mowing down all the tumbleweeds and the weeds that start to pop it up along the median along harbor. So they will go out and clean it when we poke at them to come do it. Should we be, I'd rather do Hossie end at every month than pay for us to go maintain. I thought that was part of the widening agreement if I remember correctly the widening agreement with the county for harbor was they were supposed to maintain that and keep it clean. We don't have any authority realistically to do any, like, they own a control harbor. It seems like we could work through Hans' office if nothing else. Yeah, I'm just saying that if we're going to spend the money, I'd rather have, I mean, Hossie and it gets, I mean, I'd rather, if we need to, do the other east and west too, right, rather than spend money on a road that's supposed to be maintained by the county, I'd rather have us poke county a little harder than spend our money on that and spend, have them. I have a couple of questions. Sure. So is this recycle money? It's a grant that we have or how much is it? Yes. I think. I can elaborate a little more. So we do apply every year. It's based on the population. Unfortunately, we receive the minimum, which is 5,000 per fiscal year. And they do have guidelines, so we're very limited as to what we can use the money on. We can use it on like Rafferty said to purchase like beverage recycling containers, which we did a few years ago at the park trash cans that are made out of Recycle beverage containers the picnic benches. We could also use it towards like a water refill station Literabatement is is one of them and outreach and like Just educating the public so it's really limited as to what we can use the funding on. And it's only 5,000 per year. And I believe we have about 17,000, but 5,000 of it's about to lapse. So we should probably use it or we lose it. There's no way to use this for brush clearance again along the... No. Well yes but it's according to the guidelines it's really limited. I have just like the little cheat sheet pulled up here so litter clean-up events must include beverage containers as part of the waste stream and to be recycled. The Programme Fund supplies personnel and safety items. So, if it's for, you said brush clearance or I don't know about brush clearance because brush clearance doesn't really involve. I was thinking the conservation core. Plastic, recycled. And the other question I had was, okay, it says harbor boulevard from Wellington, Lane to Arbolita and those streets aren't in the heights and then it says blue line stream by the Hossie under trail. So what would be picked up? What areas would be picked up? So like on Harbor Boulevard, it would be within our city limits. Those are the two intersections that are closest to our city borders. So Wilmington is the street just before Vantage Point at the north end of town. I'm in Hossie under the high end of nights on that side over there. And Arbolita is the intersection just south of our city border with between us and La Habra. So they're just trying to describe the boundaries without saying city limit to city limit trying to give some representation as to where that is in approximation to it. The blue line stream is the channel that runs along the west side of the park. So there's that concrete channel in the lower trail at the park. That's the blue line stream that gets clean because that's an asphalt line there. Sorry, concrete lines. So this is John Hossi and the boulevard at all. No, it does include Hossi and S. It would be a litter along Hossi and S. including the blue line stream area. So So that lower trail that a channelized portion of the stream that runs along the west side of the park. Is that what that says? Under the scope of work. If you don't want to do it, we don't have to do it. If you want us to go back and change and we can remove harbor and just say Hossie and Duh and Eastern. If you don't want to do it, we don't have to do it. If you want us to go back and change and we can remove harbor and just say, Hossianda and East and West and make a revised bid from conservation course to look at that. So are they going to pick up all of Hossianda? They do it. They pick up, yeah. From non-city limits to non-city. Yeah. And then. Okay. Well, my concern, I guess, is that how long can that money accumulate? Or is there any time table on that? Sorry, there is. And off the top of my head, I don't have it. But I want to say we are at like 21, fiscal year 21-22, so if we didn't use any of that, many than it would lapse. But we're okay right now. I'll check on the date, but I want to say it's like four or five years. So if we don't use it within the five years after we've reached, well, after we've been approved, then we would lose that amount. And John Dominguez has been organizing these pickup groups on Hussie Endon. We've been doing that with volunteers. And I look at the frequency and I'm thinking every two weeks, really. I mean, is there anything that prevents us if we do go through with this and we do hire these, hire the group to do it? Is there anything that prevents us from increasing the frequency to, you know, every six weeks or every two months or something like that. Because I mean coming out here every two weeks, yeah that would be great but we're going to deplete it real fast and then it's gone. Now that's just my thoughts. Plus the problem is that we're going to eat up virtually all the money we have accrued in one year which doesn't make any sense because this is a forever sort of a task. So maybe trying to scope it differently would be better than just, I kind of agree with what Brian says, it seems to me that you know if you get a comprehensive cleaning quarterly and then rely on volunteers, maybe we could bring it down to around five grand a year or something like that where we fit within the grand monies that we have available. I don't, it just seems like, yeah, we have one year and we do it. That's it. Now we don't have anyone to do it next year. So it would be better to have it be continuous. We can go back and work with them to look at scaling it back. What would it be to scale it back or move harbor to be about 5,000 a year and move from there? We can bring it back to you. Yeah, I would suggest that yeah, we limited to Haseyanda. I think we make it more sustainable so that we're just using the $5,000 and then look at. You know, because we just cleaned Hossienda what a month ago. It's coming up again. I know, but it's a disaster already. I mean, there's so much trash along Hossienda as we sit here right now that having something in between might be worthwhile. Now, and somebody, I won't say who commented to me about, I know when we pick up Hossy Ender, I know Rafferty's scheduled is that at the same day is the big park pickups, right? So that city staff salaries are covered? Typically we do it when we do quarterly cleanup so obviously we do have some staff here for quarterly cleanup so a grace angel or typically here obviously I'm salaried so that's not a consideration but we did try to coordinate with the quarterly cleanup that way it's. Could we use this money to cover staff costs of supervision of the volunteers? They're there to protect us, I know. Is that a possible use? Something for us to look at. Okay. All right, so I think we're going to send this back for some additional research and we'll agendaize it at the April meeting? We need a motion for that or no okay. Brian did you? No I just agree it's I am thoroughly in agreement sounds like all the councils on board with the same thoughts. All right item 24 item 25, equestrian access trail at the intersection of east and Hacienda. Yes, this is item from council members of Zula. This is for a equestrian access point that will come from the intersection of the Hossianan East Road to provide access into the park for horses and equestrian type things and or people for that. So obviously we had a resident that volunteered services to go out and do some of the work related to actually constructing this and we do need a plan for it. Another resident reached out and volunteered to do the plan for us. So attached, we got it just before we were done printing the packets. So attached before you is the, the proposal of how we would do the work after looking at it with the city engineer, the Mr. Dykeer who is volunteered to do the work. And Mr. Durkin who is volunteered to prepare the plans for us. Well they all went out and looked at it, conferred and this is how they are going to be moving forward with it. For us to move on to the next step, Councillor Hoss to approve the plan and authorize us to move forward. So in looking at this,'s no retaining wall it's just re- re-grating that slope correct? Trying to re-grade that slope to be able to move over and build up as you go up and so it'll be a little bit of a longer path that will go up so it won't require retaining walls or be too extreme of a grade. And is there a plan to do some sod replanting so we don't have a erosion on this freshly graded area. I mean, because it looks like they're going to have to grade quite a bit to get this not to require retaining wall. So do we need some budget for that or so that we can have a contractor come in and re-sod or how do we plan on avoiding erosion issues? I would be that. We would have to look at sod versus other landscaping that would be appropriate on that. Steep of a slope face, I don't know if sod is the most appropriate to it, but additional funding will be needed for some of the materials related with it and as far as preventing erosion on the cut slopes portion. We could plant a bag of poppy seeds. Some avocado trees. We could plant, we could throw down spring flowers. Yes. Okay. All right any questions on this? I just based like to thank Jim Diker and David Durkin for the work on this done we could name it the Diker Durkin Trail, but they deserve recognition. In any case, in my, my and their stepping forward is the highest traditions of the law. It's volunteerism. I want to thank them both for their efforts on this. Thank you. Rafferty, when do we think they're going to start? Councillor approves. We can start working with Mr. Dyke here to Figure out schedule and then moving So so let's do this. I don't see an approval on this It's just that we don't say no right because there's no approval item It'd be preferable to approve the plan for various reasons design immunity reasons legal stuff The plan came in right as we were in like print mode. It's time to update the staff report for it. Move approval. Can I modify it just a little bit? Move approval with you coming back to us. Between now and April, if you could look at, Are there going to be some landscaping needs? If there's a budget component, can you bring that to us in April? Definitely. Okay. So with that modification, move approval of those conditions. Yeah, and clarification, will they be able to start in March or will they have to wait till April final approval? No, no, no, no, I'm just, I'm saying start. Oh, I just want to make sure that we don't, that in April we're ready, we have an agenda, it's died I'm ready to deal with any unforeseen issues or landscaping. I'm saying start. I just want to make sure that we don't, that in April we're ready. We have an agenda, it's died. I'm ready to deal with any unforeseen issues or landscaping issues. Absolutely, absolutely. There's always unforeseen issues. Thank you. Do we want to start grading before the rainy season's over? She asks, because she doesn't understand. I think, I mean, I think we'll be all right. I mean, their working is already relatively covered with ground. They're not too much ground disturbance, so we'll and I understand. I think we'll be all right. There are other working is already relatively covered with ground. They're not too much ground disturbance, so we'll definitely work. Mr. Dyke here's done it for years and years and years and we'll look at them. All right, so we have a motion. Second. Second. Norm? Yes. Carol? Yes. Greg? Yes. Ryan? Yes. John Chess. You get all that? Okay. All right. So that's the end of the administrative items. Any council member items and or meeting attendance reports? None? All right. Any public comments for items not on the agenda? None. All right. I'll adjourn the meeting. Thank you.