All right, thank you all for being here today at our commissioners' courts. We appreciate very much as we begin here today, is there someone who would volunteer to come forward and lead us in our invocation this morning. Open in prayer for us. Yes, if you would. Thank you. And then we'll all stand together and then I will lead in the pledges. There you go. Our Father, who art in heaven, we are grateful for the opportunity to participate in a fundamentally God-given right of an American ritual. We pray for your wisdom and your strength for us to express our convictions that all may understand and benefit. We say this in the name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, amen. Amen. Thank you so much. Are pledges first to the American flag? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, individual, and liberty and justice for all. On to the tech and supply, on to the weekends, to the tech, one state under God, one and to the visible. Thank you and you may be seated. Let the record reflect that all are present and that we do have a quorum. For someone who would make a motion to approve the court agenda. Move. We have a motion. Second. Second. All in favor. I. agenda or whether it's on the open agenda. If you come forward, come to the mic. Stature name for the record. Tell us what the item is about and that you're going to make comments on. Understand that we give each person three minutes to talk. Commissioner Wheeler is our new timer. Thank you, precinct three. It was a great job at timing for us and he's going to keep the time. And if you have something you want to hand to us, just ask permission for the to approach the dias. So is anyone who would like to come forward? Yes. State your name for the record please. Good morning my name is Rhea Young. I'm speaking on agenda item 9J1 line 58 library director discharged. Over the past two years at the library we have worked hard to expand services leading to significant growth. Circulation number of card holders, number of visitors, number of programs offered, and outreach engagement rose anywhere from 11 to 45%. These are not just numbers. They are proof of the positive momentum and real impact we've made on the community. Yet, despite these undeniable successes, some people want to attack and undermine that progress. I have consistently followed the court approved collection development policy, which outlines the library's responsibility to reflect a diverse range of perspectives, including those on topics which do not align with your personal beliefs or the personal beliefs of a couple of outspoken members of the community. With a population of over 700,000 people, the library serves a broad, diverse community, and it's my job to ensure that all voices are represented in that collection. Unfortunately, some have been making false claims, accusing the library of not purchasing conservative or Christian books. That is an outright lie. In July 2023, less than 1% of the library collection consisted of LGBTQ titles. Our 2024 study by the Williams Institute shows 4.1% of Texans identify as LGBTQ with 29% of those having children. Let's be clear, children can not be in the library without a parent or guardian present, and they cannot have a library card and must their parents sign them up for one. As a librarian, my duty has always been to protect everyone's right to read and to uphold democratic values and free speech among them. I carried out those duties with integrity and that includes your vague directive to move questionable and explicit material to restricted areas. Over a year ago, you guys fit the Secret Court of Appeals, ruled House Bill 900, unconstitutional, stating that requiring booksellers to rate books on sexual content violated the first amendment. Yet, I was left to define and enforce restrictions based on my personal interpretation of question or one explicit. I'm a librarian because I believe in providing unfettered access to materials that empower individuals to grow, learn, and connect with the world around them. Everyone deserves the freedom to explore knowledge without barriers. Now I find myself at the loss of my job, my livelihood, simply for staining firm against a small but vocal group pushing the narrow agenda. I do not believe this outcome is fair and I strongly oppose the circumstances that have led to it. I stand by my work and the values of upheld. I'm unwavering in my commitment to the library and to the community it serves. I urge you to do the right thing, move this item to executive session and reinstate me as the library director and return oversight of the library to the entire court. Thank you. If you would please, for the purpose of propriety and for time, remember we have a time limit here. If you would please hold your applause till the end. All right. Thank you so much. And thank you for your comments. My name is David Martin. I'm a U.S. Air Force veteran. The firing of Miss Young as library director is completely wrong. She should be reinstated immediately. We love our library and it should be open to all without regard to views. Viewpoints are political affiliation. It should not be liberal or conservative. It should reflect all of you points and be welcoming to everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your comments. Please. Thank you. I appreciate you working with us here. Hi. Good morning. My name is Evan Young. I'm here to speak on agenda 9J1, determination of Rhea Young. I am here before you today because I still like this year. Hi, good morning. My name is Evan Young. I'm here to speak on agenda 9J1, the termination of Rhea Young. I am here before you today because I feel like this decision is a clear injustice. My mother, Rhea Young, has always been a woman of dedication dedicated to her family, her students, and her career. She has spent her life demonstrating the importance of standing firm and your values while respecting the beliefs of others. She has taught me that no one person is more valuable than another and that integrity matters. For 28 months, Montgomery County had my mother as the director of Montgomery County Memorial Library System. She did her job and she did it well. She followed directives of this court. She pulled herself into expanding and improving the library system and it results of her work speak for themselves. She never went against the world of this court. She poured herself into expanding and improving the library system, and it results of her work speak for themselves. She never went against the role of this court. What she did do was challenge you to think critically about the topics at hand, bringing her extensive knowledge and experience to every conversation. Is this not exactly what you hired her to do? The county spent months searching for the right candidate, someone with experience, education, and leadership skills, to guide the library system forward. They found that person and my mother. And now, 28 months later, we find ourselves here questioning a decision that is simply wrong. You know it, she knows it, everybody knows it. She wasn't removed because of her performance. She was removed because a small but local group disapproved of certain titles and genres. Look around the room. Look at the overwhelming amount of support she has received. Consider the hundreds of emails you have received in her defense. Talk to the majority of the staff who worked under her and asked them how they felt about her leadership and her vision. You say you want someone that reflects the values of this community. You had her. Someone who not only reflected but respected the values of the entire community, not just a small minority. So now what? It's been another six months searching for someone qualified to take on the difficult task of managing a library system for seven over 700,000 community members and cross your fingers if they can do as good of a job as she did or do what a fair, right and just for your county and your constituents and move to reinstate her letting her get back to, and continue to move the library in a positive and inclusive direction. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Kim Beatt. I have lived in Montgomery County since 1984. 1984. I'm a taxpayer. I'm a resident. I'm a retired executive senior executive from one of the local corporations. I'm a very strong supporter of quality education, which is why so many people want to live here or have up until now we'll see how things go. but I'm a very strong supporter of our libraries. When I downsize out of my home upon retirement, I donated my entire personal library to the library to sell or to stock as they saw fit because I trust our librarians to know what is appropriate to be on our shelves to serve the entire community. I'm here as a taxpayer to look each of you in the eye, Commissioner Walker, Commissioner Riley, Judge Kio, Commissioner Wheeler, Commissioner Gray. I want to know why you voted unanimously to terminate a highly qualified county native and educator, somebody who has served our community in an outstanding manner in a time when people are looking at does our library provide reading for the entire community. And she has worked very hard to do that. It's clear that the guidelines you gave her, she lived within them. She worked within them and if you want them more explicit, you should make them more explicit so that she can abide by them. She was following your policies, both in where she stocked the books, how she stocked the books, what books she stocked, and what books she declined to stock. She is the professional. You are not the professionals. So I'm here to try to understand why did you vote in such a mysterious way to terminate one of our most highly qualified civil servants? Since 1984 I have been here. I do hope we're still stocking the Orwellian genre, if you will. We deserve to know know. You must tell us. We are the taxpayers. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Anyone else? My name is John Hunehan. I am also speaking on agenda item 9, J line 58. I, along with many other citizens here, as you can see, was shocked to hear of the termination of Rhea Young from the post of Library Director. Though there are many subjective reasons I could cite, such as Mrs. Young's dedication to education and to fairness and political reasons such as protecting freedom of speech and denying fear-mongering and scare tactics a chance to have light. I would like the majority of my comments to be centered on logic, reason, and common sense. In modern society, most people have jobs, and be it formal education, vocational training, or some combination of the two, understanding the roles and responsibilities of a job takes time and deliberate action. A librarian, as you know is one such job. It's a job that is at the center of education, information, and community. The decisions of a librarian, what to stock, how to sort books in the library space categorized materials for circulation, and the day-to-day programming of a library cannot be made by any passerby without training. The intricacies and implications of a decision must be studied, understood, and documented, as in any job requires. In the same way, I wouldn't go to a law office until I'd have had a brief case. And a lawyer wouldn't come to my office until me had a run or software project. A passerby cannot have the power to make decisions in a space specific as a library, and respectfully neither can politicians. The values of a community matter, the values of individual families matter, but if we let the decisions of one family dictate access of information to others, we give power to only the loudest few and deny the rights of parents to choose what is right for their own family. If you want to understand and control what media your children have access to, that's great. Go with them to the library, learn alongside them. Use the training and understanding that librarians like Rhea Young have to give them the tools to critically think. That's what librarians and only librarians can do. Thank you for your comments. Appreciate that very much. My name is Rachel Walker. I'm here to speak on a genome item 9J1, number 58, the discharge of Library Director Rhea Young. I implore you to do the right thing in Ryan's State Miss Young. You wanted her to add some books, but those books did not meet selection criteria, excluding them from purchase with library one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the other one, the constituent of this county and a patron of the public library. And what I want to say to you today is, write the policy. Say you want to remove books with LGBTQ characters and topics. Books that tell the real story of racism in our country. Books that speak to different perspectives other than that of white, conservative, Christian men. You stated you need someone who will look out for the values of our county. If you believe those to be the values of our county, then write that into a policy for the library. Have the courage of your convictions to clarify what it is you mean when you say objectionable material. Define what it is you are objecting to. Say the quiet part out loud gentlemen. Be loud with your hate. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Then, when what you're trying to do in the dark is shown in the light, we can let the community decide if those are our values. Thank you for your comments. Appreciate it. My name is Theresa Cainey and I am speaking to agenda item J1 number 58 on the list of personnel changes and the discharge of Rhea Young as Library Director. Last Tuesday, my bookshop held a community forum to address concerns and questions about Mijia's decision that we received and also read on neighborhood social media pages. At the meeting, we reviewed the timeline event that led up to her dismissal. These include approximately one and a half years ago, this court directed that books with objectionable material be restricted offering no further guidance. At the time, I spoke out that the court needed to define objectionable or it was setting the library up to fail. Although this was never done, the library complied and select books were restricted. Approximately one year ago, the library passed a new policy for its citizen reconsideration board that not only lightly violated open meeting laws, but also thanks to its new polls, allowed non-resident-to-file complaints, removed expert professionals from the process, and did not allow for public appeal. That policy went into effect, and the library complied. Approximately six months ago, that same policy led to the Commissioner-Apointer Committee recategorizing a history book, written by a low-respected historian from non-fiction to fiction. This decision was not in the purview of the committee, but the library complied and recategorized it. It was only returned to nonfiction following a huge public outcry. And now just weeks ago, the library director was dismissed because according to very non-specific statements made by this court, you are looking for someone more in line with county values. This is despite the fact that the library has complied. No guidelines were ever created to define objectionable and no efforts were made to align outside book requests with the curation policies that were created and approved by this very court. Throughout this entire time, specific individuals, specific librarians and industry teachers in our county have been under attack online by individuals close to this court. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I think this court was trying to destroy the library or at the very, very least hurt private citizens who gave you as not aligned with them politically. I'm asking the court to stop politicizing the library, stop managing it by broad and general declarations, and instead offer well-thought-out solutions and strategies that address the needs of all citizens and do not violate the rights of those you do not personally agree with. Thank you so much. Yes, she has raised her hand. My name is Michelle Knuckles and I'm here to speak on item 9j1. Two years ago I found myself in an unexpected journey involving the Montgomery County Public Libraries, which I have been a regular patron of for many years, including my own childhood, that journey is not what this is about, however. Surprisingly, librarians began reaching out to me anonymously, sharing troubling accounts and asking for their concerns to be highlighted on my sub-stack. This was a bipartisan effort. These stories include the following alarming issues. Employees who disagreed with administrative decisions in a respectful way, were reassigned to distant branches and apparent strategy to force them to quit. The library system has been managed like a school library without proper training, resulting in confusion and chaos over the past two years. The central branch has had three different managers in just 18 months due to a hostile work environment, One manager quit and two sought the motions to leave the toxic atmosphere. The purchasing manager frequently promotes far-left political views during meetings and has openly stated that she will never purchase conservative books. And in full audit of the new bookshelf confirms this imbalance. Miss Young's failure to address these statements demonstrated poor leadership. Since the dismissal of former director, it's evident that steps have been taken to restore neutrality with conservative books now being ordered. The fact that steps were taken almost immediately after Miss Young's dismissal proved that she was either blocking the order or ineffectively managing the purchasing process. Librarians were instructed to block, see with the library story hours by scheduling conflicting events throughout the day. The library has purchased expensive books that see no circulation while ignoring high demand titles. Poor communication has led to significant loss of time and resources that include not communicating with inner library delivery drivers who drive for hours to find the location closed and not communicating with patrons about closing central library early on Saturdays. Inter her dismissal, Miss Young has been seeing going from library to library lurking around wearing her Montgomery County library shirts. This is unprofessional and appropriate and intimidating to reform her employees, which I believe reinforces and solidifies the court's decision. I sincerely hope you will select a new library director who prioritizes neutrality and transparency. Our libraries are vital to the community and we must protect up their integrity. Thank you for your time and attention. Thank you for your comments. Yes. Welcome. Hello. I'm Christina Wood and I am a resident of Montgomery County and I would like to speak on the discharge of Reyes Young. And I would like to kind of a lesson from history. As this book, The Rabbit Sweating by Garth Williams was published in 1959. It is about a little black bunny and a little white bunny who left spending time together playing in the forest where they lived and so they decided to get married. After it complained in a local newspaper in 1959, it's starting that this book was promoting and political messages of his book pointed out that the book had originally printed in black and white. One bunny was black and the other was white to differentiate the characters, now for some great political agenda. And the author and illustrator, the author and illustrator, when asked about the political messages of his book, pointed out that the book had originally printed in black and white. One bunny was black and the other was white to differentiate the characters, now for some great political agenda. about the political messages of his book pointed out that the book had originally been printed in black and white. One bunny was black and the other was white to differentiate the characters now for some great political agenda. Emily Reid did not acquire this book for political reasons. She acquired it because it was on the American Library Association's new notable books list. She acquired it because it had good reviews from known reputable entities. She refused to remove the book for the same reasons and because she believes in the person's freedom to choose the right book for themselves. In fact, she received the freedom to read a word in 2000. Garth Williams did his job and wrote an illustrated and adorable children's book, and Emily Reed did her job because a librarian's job is not to push any political agenda conservative or liberal. A librarian's job is to provide books to people. That's it. From what I've seen and heard, that is all that Rayya Young has done. She is getting in each and every individual in this community the ability to decide for themselves and for their children what books they want to and should read. Judge Koeh, you said that you want to write a librarian who shares the value of this community and I believe wholeheartedly that everyone in our community values one's freedom to choose what books they read and what to look for children need. A librarian offering a variety of books to choose from, both conservative and liberal, is only doing their job. Emily Reed left the Alabama Library Service in 1960 after fighting for about a year to protect this little book. She protected it. She didn't force it upon anyone who thought it promoted interracial marriage. She made it available for people who yes, may have seen themselves in the little white bunny and the little black bunny, but also who just saw a sweet story about friends wanting to spend forever together. The rabbits' remedies was published in 1959. It is 2025. We should learn from history, not repeat it. The Alabama Library Service last an amazing library director in 1960. We don't have to follow in their footsteps. Please reconsider the discharge of Ray Young. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. All right. Yes. My name is Cynthia Smith. Yes. My name is Cynthia Smith and I come to address the concerns on agenda 9J7, line 58, the discharge of library director Rhea Young. So I spent many months watching what's going on in this county with my eyebrows continuing to go up, up, up with each session that I've watched. I'm amazed that a county of this stature has sunk to the lows that has occurred over the last couple of years. I've watched one meeting where one particular group was allowed to stand here and do repeated demeaning, disgusting attacks on a county personnel, someone who came to work to only do their job. I sat, listened to what just happened here, and I'm telling you, the shaking in your voice that you hear now is me being amazed and almost enraged that it's okay for someone who is not a county employee to come to the county and describe what they think is going on within the closed doors of county actions. Why should someone from the outside be able to come in and say what they think is going on with what should be an HR action? Why would a county under any circumstance allow anonymous letters to be sent to a third party and not to let the county do its own business? I've watched as a small group of outside agitators funded by someone who's not a group that is not even in this county, not even in the state, led by an attention seeking knitwear to be able to go after someone who has a great reputation, who comes to this county with a stellar reputation and what they know how to do. What I don't understand is how this county can be promoting what is exactly censorship. You can call it whatever you want. But as a Christian woman who's lived my life within the church, who's led Bible study, who's been a teacher, who understands a Christ-led life, I also know that Christ allowed different people to live their lives differently. He influenced them in a positive way, but he did not meddle in their business. He let them go forward and do what they needed and make their own mistakes and let their free will determine what would happen in the end. What we need here is that if this group would like to have a Christian library, there's plenty of churches that are around here. These churches could definitely set up a library that contains nothing but Christian right-wing materials. There are no LBGQ. There's nothing regarding any other race. There's just right Christian library. Hey, I had that when I was growing up. Half of the books I read came from that library within my own church. There's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is allowing a bunch of knuckleheads to be able to come in here and distort what this county library should do. And I do not understand the influence that these people are allowed to have. Miss Young has never been accused of working two jobs at the same time of using county time inappropriately. We know that's not true of all county employees. We know that Ms. Young has not been accused of a crime. We know that's not what is okay for every county employee. I would like to have my... We appreciate it in just three minutes, but thank you. You've made a point. I would like to make sure that everyone understands there's more people in this county than just what these people are trying to represent. We understand. Thank you for your comments. Appreciate that so much. Is there someone else? Yes. Good morning. My name is Deborah Carl. As to agenda item J1 number 58 on the personnel agenda and the discharge of director Rhea Young, I would ask that you refrain from politicizing our public libraries. As a resident, a parent, a retired teacher, and a supporter of public libraries, I respectfully ask that you let those who have been trained in library science and management maintain control over our library staffing and collections. Public libraries are a mainstay of our community, and as such, need to address the needs of all users not just a few. It is a responsibility of parents to make choices for their minor children and themselves, and not that of elected officials, nor small groups of vocal citizens. Please reinstate, we are young. Thank you for your comments. And we are, we have a 30 minute limit on each topic. But if there's anybody else who would like to say anything at this point, I'm going to give you the opportunity to just shut you off. But we are at the 30 minute mark. Is there anyone else who would like to make any comments? All right. Thank you all for coming and making your comments today. We appreciate it genuinely very much. You're expressing yourselves as citizens of this community. Now as we move forward then we're going to move to proclamations resolutions and presentations. Larry come forward in the Montgomery County Historical Commission presentation. Thank you, Judge. Commissioners, before you have the 2024 annual report of the Montgomery County Historical Commission, and this is a report that we are required by the Texas Historical Commission to present to a commission's court annually to let you know what we have been doing over the past year. The for the benefit of the people in the audience, the historical commission is in fact an effect, an apartment or a function of Montgomery County government. We are appointed by this commissioners court. We serve at the pleasure of commissioners court for a two-year term. It's composed currently of about 38 members from a variety of backgrounds from engineers to teachers to historical scholars to photographers even lawyers having for bit. So it's quite a variety of individuals. This 26 page report I'm not going to go through in any detail but I just touched on a couple things that I highlighted and I'd invite you to at your leisure flip through there. A couple things I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all I wanted to talk about was first of all, flip through there. A couple of things I wanted to talk about was, first of all, I wanted to thank Judge T. O. and Commissioner's Court for working with us to have Montgomery County recognized as a certified local government. Most people don't understand the significance of it. We're only the 18th county of 254 counties in the state of Texas to have this designation. And with it comes the ability to get from both the National Park Service and from the Texas Historical Commission and other sources, a lot of a variety of information and technical services and financial grants to help property owners who have historical properties preserve and recognize those historical properties. I want to just introduce Bernie's sergeant would stand up Bernie was appointed by your court back in October to serve as the county historic preservation officer and he is responsible for overseeing the preservation activities of the entire county. With him are nine other individuals who are designated and appointed by this court to serve on what's called a certified local government committee and they're composed of a number of individuals again from a lot of backgrounds, it's a variety of backgrounds, and training that allows them with the qualifications they have been given by the National Park Service to serve and study historical preservation sites, protect them, and help in any way they can to restore those sites with grants and other technical assistance. We also have a website and a Facebook and with the efforts of Joy Montgomery along with a number of other people on our commission, this continues to grow on a regular basis. We also have what's called a historic resource survey. Frank and Merlin-Herson, if you'll stand for a moment, members of our commission. And they have led the team to study all the historic sites and this process is going to take several years. They've been working on it now for years to locate all the historic sites and get the background on them, preserve the history and with that comes the history of the families relate to that. So it's a very detailed project, probably the most detailed project in the state of Texas in my experience and talking to individuals with the State Historical Commission. We've had, we're always on making efforts to try to find historic sites and preserve them. Up in Willis, we've got the Thomas Chapel that has been now totally restored thanks to the history task force and nonprofit organization composed of a number of our members. We have been working on, well, one of the things that we're real pleased to see is the Old County Hospital. On first street has now been restored by the Overland Property Group and it's soon going to have its own historical marker. It goes back to 1938 and it is now on the National Register of Historic Places. Along with, we hope, another building, the Old Sand Houston Elementary School, that within a couple of years will also follow that way. A program that's really, I think, unique to the State of Texas, is that we have developed, or in the process, that developing a video series, a YouTube series, on the history of Montgomery County, two to three minute clips. We're focusing right now on the history of this courthouse, Montgomery County courthouse, which will soon be 100 years old. And so we're working on those projects, multitude of other grants that have been done. And finally, I'll just mention that we're pleased that for the support of this commissioners court for the 11th year in a row, we were recognized by the Texas Historical Commission as a distinguished service with this distinguished service award. And I just asked that the people that served, there's a number of them here if you just stand and be recognized from our historical commission. We got 38, but a few of them could make it today. Thank you for your support. Thank you for your diligence on this. Yes, Commissioner. The boy knows hard work. You yourself and Annette have spent so much time on the Tamina Sweet Rest Cemetery and press would cemetery and I appreciate all the hard work and getting those markers and all those things to be recognized that should have been recognized a long time ago so thank you all. And that would just stand. Annette Kerr is our marker chair and we've got like 19 county historical markers that and we've got three or four in the queue right now to be presented and the press would cemetery next week will be the next one in that list of county markers. So thank you for your support and your sponsorship of that, Commissioner. Right, thank you. All right, thank you very much. Very appreciate it. All right, as we move forward, we move to the consent agenda. As we do that, there's one item on there that I would like to defer, and there's item number under number nine K2. That's page seven of 14. We're just gonna defer that for now. Judge, I wanna move nine, J1, to either open our executive session. Okay. Whichever you prefer. Okay. We can do that. Okay. I've got a- What are we at on that in terms of- Oh, and I'm sorry. That's a PCR 58. Yeah. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine. So nine, it is either if you want it's starting advice that would be proper to move to To executive sessions you can also move it to sec session under the personnel matter Yeah close session so you can move it to Infection session or you can take a session then come back out here and discuss it whatever whatever whatever we thought sure and miss young miss young has asked us to move it to executive session so I would say move it to executive session we'll give that yeah right all right good for you ready to do that you'll need to recite the section number yeah moving it to either under this horny client can Can we do any advice or personnel? Can we move that to item number 17 when we move to executive session? Yes, that's okay. That's what we'll do then. Yeah. All right. Very good. Thank you. We appreciate this. Anything else? Yeah. I've got a few adjustments as well. Mine C5. I would like to defer. Okay. Page that on. Just one item. Just one item of the whole packet. Let me see. Yep. So on page three of 14C5, I'm talking about the consider of proven, and authorize transfers for the grant department, special revenue departments and general funds. It's just one item. One item. How do you want to handle that? Or a precinct. Yeah, it's number 15. Number 15, if you could... Yeah, we want to defer that one. I'd like you to defer that one later. Okay. So we're going to defer that one. Perfect. All right. Are there any other changes that you would like to see made in the consent agenda? On page six, 9H4A, I will be pulling to open. On page eight, 9Q2, I will be pulling to open. What? And with that, I'll make a motion to approve the consent. All right, name the first one at the end. You had 9H4A, what was the one before that? 9H4A was on page six and 9Q2 on page eight. All right. Is there any other changes that would be made? There being none, we have a motion to accept the consent agenda with modifications. All in favor? Is there a second? I'll say no. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. All right. Let's move forward then to our open agenda. Commissioner, 9Q2. I'm going to go 9-H-4-A first. I'll do that one first. It's on page 6. Go ahead and order. And I'll go ahead and make a motion, consider, and authorize Commissioner Gray or his Chief of Staff to execute agreements related to implementing an Adopter Road Program for precinct 4. Can I get a second? I'll second. All right. So now we can discuss it. that just wanted to bring this out to the open to publicly discuss it and encourage and tell the rest of the court about it. I think some of you may already be doing the adoptive mile. And if you're not, I would encourage you to look into it. It promotes volunteerism and civic engagement. And it helps clean up our county roadways without spending as much tax dollars as we're already doing on it. So we've gotten a lot of engagement from local community, a lot of people are buying in and adopting the roads already. We're just rolled it out. So just wanted to give my team a big kudos or high five or whatever you do from the diast and that was it. Thank you all. Thank you. The next one is. We have motion second on the favor. I posed motion carries. Proceed. 9 Q2. I will go ahead and make a motion on this so we can discuss as well if I could a second. Consider an approved change or with a higher the consulting. I had reached out to get some clarification on this why this wasn't under the procurement officer or procurement director on it for a change order and it was under consent. So if I could get some clarification from Gilbert, please Jason, you're going to handle it. Good morning, gentlemen, this item, you passed the FMA portion of this, the contract with the Texas Water Development Board two courts ago. As a result of that, the contractor that works on this contract with the Texas Water Development Board on behalf of the county had to have a change in order to reflect the change in time that we have to pray to pray to pray to pray to pray to pray to pray to pray to pray to pray there's no charge in changing costs. It just reflects water development toward contract that now is reflected at date change on how long we have to perform the services and wrap up the project. Very good. Thank you. All right, we have a motion in a second. Any more discussion? All in favour? All right. Motion carries. All right. Thank you very much. Let's move to our first item, 10A. In our last discussion, concerning adopting a non-returning office for policy, we decided that we were gonna get together. We decided to table it and Commissioner Gray and I got together and staff got together and took the reflections of what was mentioned in the last Commissioner's Court of both Commissioner Riley and expenditures and also Commissioner Wheeler and his concern for carryover contracts and spending monies into a new session that the monies were not set up for were we're part of a contract, which left him in a very difficult situation. So what I've done here, what we have done here is we've given you some options. The first one, and any one of these would work, I just might make concerns that we protect the assets of the community and the finances associated with each of your departments. The first one, in presenting these three drafts, draft A is implements a non-returning officer policy that addresses only inventory items. In other words, if they're not going to return, then they have to come to commissioners court in order to liquidate or move items. Graph B implements that same non-returning officer policy to draft A with the additional language that addresses spending based off the statutory cap imposed by local government code, which is today $50,000. I understand there's some legislation that's pending right now, that could be from $100,000 to $200,000, but it's not there yet. Several buildings, I mean, several bills pending on that, and so that anything, even if you already have a contract, commissioners can act and do whatever they do now. If a person is not coming back, he would be limited to the 50,000 and we'd have to bring anything over that to the court. Draft C implements the same non-retroding officer policy as draft A and B, but includes a provision to address obligating the county to expenditures and notice to proceed without prior authorization from the commissioners court in the aforementioned limits of draft date. So it I think that this will eliminate issues that Commissioner Wheeler discussed and not wanting to have a bunch of carryover monies involved in court last time and we're outstanding invoices we're accumulating without purchase orders issued. I think that draft C is the one that works for everybody and I would move on draft C as presented and ask for a second on that motion. I'll second so we can just go ahead and motion a second. We can talk about it. No, you know, we are discussion. I'll go ahead and open. Go ahead. Yeah. I'm opposed to draft C. I'm going to put, I'm, would move on draft A, which puts a cap and would not allow any movement of any inventory for any precinct to another. Again, as I stated last time, we discussed this in open court, whether I'm a returning officer or non-returning officer, I have to be able to do my job. And if I'm working with another returning or non-returning officer, they have to be able to do their job and to put a timeline on it for two weeks for every time to make a purchase, just does not make sense for the taxpayers of the county. You can't even purchase fuel for what's being suggested there, to run a precinct or any kind of operation. This is the first time I've seen this. So what are we talking about? We talk about anything over $50,000 to get permission? That's draft C. Test draft B and C. Okay. And if you already have a contract in place and you are returning returning that doesn't apply to you. A contract with what? Well, whoever we got plenty of pending contracts. I understand, but I mean if I do a hundred tons of asphalt in the day I can't do it for 50,000 dollars and I'm not waiting for two weeks to do that. That's just not the way this works. So draft A is 5,000? Draft A doesn't have a cap. Does it have a cap? Draft A is the inventory which you would probably... All we talk about is inventory. We're not talking about anything yet. Correct. On draft A. Just say no fuel is exempt from this awesome. If you need to get fuel, you get to pay for fuel. Fuel last that is what? Is it a spot exempt from this? No, no, that's what I'm saying. I mean, we've got to purchase all these things. You know what you have to purchase, and you can't run a precinct with. No, we don't need to. Yeah, and I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. I'm just concerned that we don't get in the same situation. We just got in with Commissioner Wheeler, where expenditures are being made and obligations to contract and then come into the next budget and the money has never been set up or has been set up from the past. Now we're taking carry over money that should have gone to the previous commissioner. He should have gotten that to take action on it and it causes the person who is on their way out to take a look at the contract and calculate if it's going to run over into that. That's all. That would have solved your problem. It's not the same at all. This is two budget cycles. It's not doable. It's not feasible. Well, you can't sometimes contract, I mean things happen, you know, rather related and all. And if you've got a project going and you need, you know, asphalt or sugar bath. Right, right. If you're restricted and you got contractors waiting, you can't just stop. Well, even if you don't have, if you're doing it yourself, you can't do it for $50,000. Yeah. I've spent $50,000 and a half a day. You're putting out 100 tons of asphalt. So this is this is okay. So so I have a cap. Well, let me do this. You think you're going to have a cap. You got to have a cap that we can live with and this whatever this is is not going to work I really don't know. It's not going to work. I really think the biggest issue here is the moving of equipment. And that's what spawned this conversation. Yeah, and I get that. So some of the projects that were apparently started and maybe finished even in precinct three. Those folks definitely need to be paid even though it was done before unless you just take a commissioner when he loses that in March and he can't do anything for that next. My goal here in all this is you guys the ones are handling the money you're building the road you're doing the asphalt and all the rest. And so it hasn't come up yet and I'm just going to throw it out there. Sure. The previous administration went out and bought another department within the county of $400,000 piece of equipment. Now I'm not going to call out a department and I'm not even going to say that maybe we didn't we're not going to benefit from it. But the simple fact of the matter is they went out and bought a 400,000 RPs of equipment just to burn money. And that was just, that's just one example. That's not except I know. Gentlemen, and I'll tell you, there's a, I would like to add some other language because and I'll, and I'll, I'll tell you the language first and then I'll tell you why. On draft C, I would have added 3.3, which is a non-returning officer must obtain commissioners court approval prior to contractually obligating the county beyond the non-returning officer's term, the supplies to new contracts, renewals or extensions. And then in 5.1, I would add to language any approval by commissioner's court required by this policy must take place in open court before a contract is executed, a purchase order is issued, a travel incumbency is entered, or the county is obligated and so on and so forth as red in the draft and I'll tell you why. Because in October, previous administration, tucked into consent a five-year extension on a 381 that unfortunately never got talked about. So here you got somebody who's leaving office in two months and renews a 381 for five years, two months before they walk out of office. That's not right. Let me ask you. And I think that's to the tune of $60 million if I'm not mistaken. I've got to jump in here, guys, because I went through a very similar situation and I've never publicly or an open court brought it up and discussed or shamed anyone associated with it or with anything with the equipment. We did what we had to do. We got the equipment back. We're addressing the equipment now. And if somebody's bringing development or doing development, you don't like and you're precinct or for the county, you unelect them or the people unelect them or vote against them or you run against them. And that's exactly how I got in the seat. Right here where I'm at today, I've dealt with developments that I don't approve of. Matter of fact, we're gonna discuss developments or regulations here in just a little bit. But we're trying to strip this job down to nothing. Then you can't do it. So we keep sitting here, spinning our wheels about a cap, a monetary cap, to be able to do the job. And what do we want to be able to do? What do we want to be able to do here? Well, so look, that should only apply to a outgoing. Correct. That's what he does. So it doesn't apply to anybody else. That's correct. This is for the outgoing person. So if somebody's going out, can we not approve any more plots or any more developments or any more projects that are slated to go to that area because that's how I interpret what was said, or that policy. I could re-share that. No, I mean, I've been working on stuff for three years. And if and when I decide I'm leaving or I get beat I want to continue that if I've been working on it for three years. And if I don't get it done by the time I'm gone then that's just how it goes but you can't cut somebody out just because they've been working on something something. And nobody's saying that you can't do any of this. All they're saying is bring it to open court so that it's out in the open. They've come to court. But not on consent is my point. That was my only point was bring it into open court instead of under consent. I mean, that's fair. I feel like the modify is the motion. That's what I, that's well, an approval by Commissioner's Court required by this policy must take place in open court was what I'd stated. Marified to. Modified to, yeah. I got to. So the, so the, the, the, the, it belongs to Commissioner's Court and what you choose to put on consent or not put on consent is really up to you and we can have an ongoing discussion about typical consent policies which is varied over the years. Sometimes it's anything that is monetary. If it requires new dollars, it's not on consent. And then sometimes the new dollars had become routine. There are annual things that it just doesn't makes sense to have a well-developed discussion about an open court. I would say when we're trying to do address one specific situation with a policy, we need to be careful because you have a theory as elected officials and you might be going out for different reasons. Maybe you didn't get beat, but maybe you want, you have some projects that you want to finish before you retire. This policy would apply to retirement too if you're not coming back. So you just want to be very thoughtful with the policies that we place and really try to address the issue, which is if we have problems with what is on the consent agenda, let's address those problems with the consent agenda by making sure that you have set expectations for people who are putting our agenda together to make you aware of what you're voting on. Because this court actually did vote on that extension in the 381. It needs to be in the open. And we need to pay particular attention from our department heads, from our council, and things like that, as to what you're voting on so that when those consent agenda items are taking your taking action on it you're aware of it. And I think that's what I'm hearing is we want more transparency in the consent agenda on outgoing consent agenda if you want to. Right exactly. Harris County did that and they had what nine hour ten hour commission. Go 12. Yeah we can. I think yeah I think your predecessor did that once and it was really long ago. That being said, we have a motion seg on the table. Is there any more discussion? And this is for C. This is for item C. Well, there were three options and you got to just pick the option to make a motion on. I make a motion for option A. got to just pick the option to make a motion on. I make a motion for option A. Well, we have an option on C. Let's finish the motion in a second. So, okay, obviously you don't want to do that. So, we know you're going to vote on this. But let's vote on it all in favor of option C. Five. Opposed? Opposed? All right. Option C's out. Proceed. We just like to make another motion. Make a motion for option A. We have a second. We have a motion for a second. Any discussion? So, no cap. This is nothing but inventory. That's all there is to avoid. It allows you to do your job whether you... support that. Let's move on. I can support it as long as we come back with some sort of an agreement on what goes under consent and what goes in open court. I think if we're going to, if we're going to sign a contract, renew a contract, extend a contract that puts $60 million worth of liability on our taxpayers, that needs to be an open court. Okay. Okay. Again, that's right. For this, though, for this. You could also add that for outgoing consent agenda items that have a value or effect a value of eConsetite value. But I don't want to get into this. I don't want to do the second renewal of five. Exactly. Right. Exactly. That's open court. Right. But I understand what you're saying. Right. If you're doing that type of thing, I understand. If we're going to discuss whether we're going to put an open or consent, we haven't noticed that this is that item. So we have a motion on the table for motion for A. Is there anybody? I think you. I said that in the second. Is there any more discussion on that? All in favor? Aye. All right. Opposed? Motion carries. All right. Thank you all for that enthusiastic discussion. I appreciate very much. Judge, I'll make a motion on 11 a.m. and name precinct for us the funding source. Very good. Third second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Animal services. Amanda, would you come and explain to us what we're doing here because it involves accounts and numbers and all that? Good morning, gentlemen. For discussion on 12A, I have considered an approved increasing position for the Chief Vets salary from 1.62800 to 1.72800 and adding a cell phone allowance. And then for the regular veterinarian, we have two FTE spots and that raising that budget from 290,588 for two positions to 320,000 for two positions. And this is, we're asking the funding source to be the wellness clinic, which is basically at the animal services. I've been working with Taygen and Mark on this for a little bit. And we have, we're trying to get vets, honestly. We got a vet that started the day before yesterday, and we still have one opening. We've had an opening for gentlemen almost close to a year. And so we are trying harder to try to fill that position. We've looked at what other counties are paying and what other cities are paying. And we feel like the 320,000 raising that salary to be an average of about 160,000 per vet is going to stay competitive with these agencies and these counties around us and not just set with these private companies because that's also what we're competing with particularly the vet. So what percentage are there? The manager is a range of 295 88 divided by 2, 320 divided by 2. This is for two people. Correct. So we're still looking for a regular vet chief veterinarian somewhere for 172. Tough to get. We are looking for a regular vet. So the chief vet has been filled and one of the veterinarian spots has been filled. OK. So we have there is a motion. We'll have discussion a second zero second. I'll second. OK. Any more discussion? I do want to say we're down to the SPCA and I chatted with them at link that looked at their facility and their huge budget. And you know, they have for Harris County. They put up a facility and they have rooms where the cooperation with Texas A&M, Texas A&M sends interns down to work with them. They live there, they're paid there, and they matriculate right into the Harris County system. They start higher than what we are. And that is awful hard to compete with. And so that was the reason for bringing this and that Mark and Tagan had brought it to us. So just so you know, well, their county budget is huge. Yeah, they're ours. Oh, yeah, no question. Hey, we have emotions and seconds, any more discussion? I'll just say comparison to Thief and Joy Judge. If we start comparing ourselves to the private sector or the Harris County on what they can afford, we're gonna be broke. So, but I support this motion. And thank you. I'm just curious, did we do a salary study? Yes. Sure. And how many different entities did we compare? Yes. So we partnered with Baker-Till about a year and a half ago to do a salary study on that. And so I can give you the results of that. But that hit all major counties along with a bunch of cities as well. There's not a lot. The thing with the animal services is not all the counties have one. But a lot of them especially if they're in a big city are partnering with the city. So we did reach out to some cities as well. I can provide some information to you so you have that if you need it. So we did. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you. We have motion of second. Any more discussion? All in favor? All right. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, Amanda. Appreciate that so much. Gilbert, purchasing. I move on to the second. We have a motion to second on A, all in favor. Opposed? Motion carries. We have a motion to approve item B. Move to the second. Second. I'm sorry. Your yours was a second. I made a motion. So it was me first, mission gray second, all in favor. I posed motion carries. Look to item C, Gilbert. Yes sir, this item C, this is just to extend our current agreement with ASNG for TPA services for property and casualty insurance, but it does or property casualty program. It does include a 3% increase to risk management. All right. Give a motion. I mean, we have a motion as a second. I'll second. Thank you so much. If we, yeah, I guess I'll ask for discussion. Do we shop it? Is that kind of what we're seeing across the industry with a 3% right? So AS&G's been really good for this program. We need to extend it one more year and in this following year in October, we'll put it back out to bid just to see what the market is, but 3% is fair. Thank you for that, Gilbert. We will have to change the funding factor as part of the FY26 budget for you to see this increase as part of that because we are still funded on that insurance side. All right. We have a motion to second. Any more discussion on favor? All right. I posed motion carries. Continue on Gilbert. I didn't know that the first. The other commissioners would like to defer 13D. Okay. To further that. Thank you. 13D. Okay to further that thank you. 13E. I move only. Yes sir. We have motion zero seconds. I'll second. I got that. We have motion a second. All in favor. All right. Path posed. Motion carries. Thank you. All right. This time we're going to recess Montgomery County Commission's Court to convene a public hearing on 14 and Community public hearings and if you would take it away for us Public hearing on the proposed Montgomery County development regulations Anybody here to speak about that? Yes, Chief Yes. Yes. Thanks, sir. The other commissioners of. I'm Jason all from our chief in Montgomery County, SD one. As you can see, I'm some concerns with this future development agreement on the road with. I have a PowerPoint presentation. I'm sure you're looking but I've got to step back here for just a second. Okay. So I'm speaking as a Montgomery County Fire Chief Association, we have the support of the Montgomery County Hospital District, also on this as a concern. Our concern is the width of the streets and the new developments. We're gonna show you some examples of what we are here having issues with, ask or answer any questions that you'll have after the fact. So these concerns were proposed and existing and existing. I know we can't do anything about the existing but any proposed potentially we could do anything with. This example is a 24 foot wide inside the curb. So I'm going to say a 26 foot wide street. This is two of our staff vehicles parked perfectly up against the curb and it will not allow fire truck to access to between there. But we all know it's going to delay response, hand or maneuverability of our emergency vehicles to make it to an emergency incident. This is another example. This is a 26 foot five inch wide road that also again with our the top pictures are vehicles parked perfectly up against the curb, but examples of how people park below that. So it's very difficult for our vehicles to maneuver through that. This is actually a 28-foot wide road in southern part of the county. But it shows there's an example of that box truck that can't maneuver around that curve because we're there parked. Making it impossible to go through there on an actually 28-foot wide street. But we've been told that there's no, the county cannot say that people can't park on the street. So that's our concern. Weaving in and out through this traffic is just going to potentially cause patients or people are delayed response. This is actually from the Montgomery County Hospital District. They weren't able to get all the way to the scene of an incident. There you see in the boat. When they came back to their unit bystanders were trying to get in the amulets and move it. And then they got in an altercation with the paramedics in the am. And this is just other examples of the street width that we're having concerns with. And I can't see that. What's that one on the left? 25 and 22 foot. So I'm glad if it's under 28 foot we have real. 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to 25 to, the fire truck is literally going, having to go through the yard to make it ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead park in front of it, the tail swing on our vehicles, not only our vehicles, I'm not emergency vehicles, but I'm talking garbage trucks or anything, they can't make it through that to make that turn. Again, our concerns with the narrow streets, it's going to hinder our response. I'm I think going from there, the Chief Association is looking at, is when we're getting in a situation when we're less than 28 feet and when we're talking about 28 feet in the curbing gutters, for example, we're talking back of curb to back of curb. So essentially you still can lose a foot foot and a half from that dimension depending on the curb design, whether it's a straight curb or a roll curb. I believe we did ours for 25 Jimmy, so would cover that. If it was a 10 25, we would end up in the 23 foot of actual usable street. And that kind of goes back to if they're perfectly parked. That's kind of where the concern is. Is even in these new developments the the development where the truck had to go in the yard. That's a brand new development. Neeson Gummary County. That's the same one that was hit by tornado. In the Ohio streets. How wide were those streets? Those streets for 22. Okay. And in the tornado, and we see this even on the 24 and the 26 foot wide streets. And you saw it somewhat on that video as well. For a fire truck or an ambulance or even a squad car to make it into that subdivision. One of the concerns we always hear is wider streets add to the speeding risk. You can't speed when you're having to swallow them back and forth between parked cars. If you look at that video of the fire truck, the citizens are having to back up. We saw the same thing on the tornado response as the first unit from East Montgomery County arrived. They're having to stop while cars that are driving out of the subdivision are backing up to make them room because there's cars parked on the side of the street. It's Tommy Wolley in here right over there. He's available to talk. Can we bring him up in this have conversation with the bank tight, Tom. Okay. On all of our street with available to talk. Can we bring him up in this one? I'm going to have a conversation. I ain't tied, Tom. Okay. On all of our street widths that we've talked about, and I'm telling you, we've talked about it so many times. I can't remember what we...is the width of the street from inside the curb or the backside of the curb. I'm asking you. Say that one more time. He's saying back to to back. So the back of the curve to the back of the curve. And that's how we have it written. So a 28 foot. A 28 foot is really 26 foot wide inside inside. Here's something I'd like to read to you just a minute. Wait a minute. Wait. Is that true? Tommy? Okay. It's 26 and a half if it's a roll curve so but that's to the outside of the curve there's two types of curve a straight curve you lose approximately a foot six inches if it's a roll curve which is more of what we see in a lot of the newer suggestions in the residential areas. But you should lose anything. You should be parking. If you're going to park on the side of the road, you park up on that road, Curve. You're supposed to be. That's supposed to. That's what there's. That's what there may be. Here's something I would just like to then go back to. This is a document from the National Association home builders and I quoted even on streets with 24 to 26 foot width cars parked on both sides can collectively occupy 13 to 14 feet leading minimal space for emergency vehicle passage. On small residential streets, no parking areas can be established on the streets frontage as well as eliminating parking on one side of the street. their own guidance says this is the natural translation of homebrews. If you can control the parking, you can go down below 28. The problem is we can't control the parking. And that's where we keep coming back to. The 28 foot is when we even talk about not even a fire truck, our amulets are 8 foot wide. You add the mirrors, they're 8.5' our fire truck 102". Some of the cabs. Two squad cars. We have a tactical situation now and we're responding more and more to these. As we go in, once you get a couple of patrol car on these sides of the street, now we're having trouble. We can't get the ambulance. We can't get the bear cat down there on these narrow streets. Even any type of response. We're limiting our ability as first responders to get there. We're having to park well back from the scene. Carry equipment walking in. Delays in response. Delays in the actions that we can take. I've never seen anyone could park on the side by the curb perfectly. There's no, there's not happening. My wife, us, is me all the time about it. I think an Amazon truck stopped in the middle of a two-lane road towing packages distance to the house. And his slide is if you park that truck, are that delivery vehicle in that curve on that 26 or 24 foot wide road you shut that road down until you move that vehicle as being able to get around that corner. When we first started working on these standards, we had a fairly aggressive discussion on with and then we decided that we were going to get Tommy Wolley involved. I think it was wasn't it you commissioner? To be involved in the establishment of the standards. I Was told since that time that we had developed standards Tommy would you share with us what that is that you guys had discussed and whatever committee that you guys put together to make it because we've been trying to push this forward and it was my understanding that we had already come to a conclusion that you guys in your efforts, Commissioner Riley and you and the group that you worked with came up with a standard. In agreement with the stakeholders, we did. We had a committee put together with four developers, four engineers and county staff. And we discussed lots of options. Our first option was to just do a 27 foot back to back carbon gutter street. And then with the committee, they asked about, can we do options with urbanized and suburban areas? And so we got with the committee, we put those options in there. If the ADT is lower than a certain amount, or if you have only 32 lots on a cul-de-sac, you can lower the street width. But the standard is what we put forward was 27 back to back. Okay, so that's what we, you guys, we're gonna bring to us in the agreed upon new standards, correct? Yes, or that's in the draft. And so what you guys are wanting is not 27, but 28, correct? That's essentially what was discussed last year and when we had this time, I remember you know, and part of the reason that the fire services back because you know They weren't a part of this this discussion from last year. We You know, we had this discussion. We settled on the 28 feet. We thought and they weren't part of the discussion When these revisions were made and that's essentially why I believe they're here again today. And we're talking about concrete, curve streets, we're not talking about the... I hope it does. As far as street streets. Is there really a distinction between suburban and urban here? I mean, it's the safety issue, whether you're out in the country or here, right? That's correct, but there are different classifications with the text that classifies urban rules of urban. Well, but they would have proved, on my neighborhood is 22 feet and apparently nobody has a problem with that. They approve that at some point. Classifies urban rules of urban. Well, but they would have proved, you know, in my neighborhood, it's 22 feet and that apparently nobody has a problem with that. They approve that at some point. So I mean, it's really what we decided in our standards to do. At 22 feet, I think that was the current regulations. And that's part of why it's been for decades that we haven't addressed that. Right. One of the things that we did from our office, we were asked to do, we looked at what some of the surrounding areas are doing, talking about either open ditch. Most of our streets with at least the narrow lots are going to be curving, gutter moving forward, but just looking at Galveston County, 28 foot for all roads, Walker County, their open ditchitch standard is 26 feet, for an OpenDitch 28, for Kerbin gutter, Fort Bend 28 feet all roads. Rural in Rosaria County, 20 feet for OpenDitch, but they have five-foot shoulders. So they have wide shoulders for that parking. where we have an open ditch now, we have 22 foot, with essentially no place to park, a one foot roll over berm off of that. So again, even there in the open ditch section, as it's been drafted now, we're still at 22 foot, and there are some subdivisions. We roll through them in the evenings. Cars are trying to park. No one's going to park very far off the pavement if it's rolling off into a ditch. So they're parking on the pavement on those 22 foot wide streets. OK. What's the city of Conroe's rig? 29 back to back. 29 back to back? Throughout in the subdivision? Yes. You know, I think out in the area out in the country, you know, there's it's back top and it's not an issue if in some of these subdivisions. But when they when they start putting curbs in there, you know, I mean, it changes the whole game. And I've been down some streets that I had to back out because I couldn't go to the Cody second turn around because there was cars parked and you can't prevent all that because people are gonna come over and visit tonight you know they're gonna park on the street I mean I don't well you we got also think when you got bigger lots you got somebody's got a five-acre lot they don't need a 28-foot road road. If you got a whole sudden vision full of five-acre lots, they don't need that. That's right. But if you got 35-foot lots, we need to be looking at different widths, I understand. And commission, there is some language in there that talks about rural open ditch. One thing I would suggest that we look at on the open ditch is that if we're going to allow 22 foot open ditch that we at least have some shoulder to get those cars off the road a little bit. When you look at other counties I think the approach they took was one of them is even you can have a 20 foot open ditch road But then you have shoulders for people to park on. So where we're right now Now 22 foot with essentially no shoulder is allowed in an open ditch. So even in a situation where you had rule acreage homes, one box truck can shut that operation down. One last thing I'd leave with is a lot of comparison has been done to we're trying to urbanize some of these areas in Montgomery County. This works in Harris County. Harris County does not have the wildfire threat that we have as we develop into some of these areas. We're placing these high density subdivisions, but there's a significant risk of a wildfire that will force not only large numbers of apparatus to come in, but residents try to flee the same time. I don't want to be in a situation 10 or 15 years from now. We're trying to get into a subdivision and everybody else is coming out and somebody has got to give. So if you look at where these and each of you know in your area what's being developed, everything that's outside of the floodplain, and we're seeing four plexes and five plexes being built right up against the edge of the floodplain. And that's gonna essentially be a wildlife area, basically a wild land area for the future and it's not going to change. That's a significant wildfire risk. So when somebody starts talking about it'll work in Harris County while I want to work in Montgomery County because we're not building in a forest and there we are building in a forest out here. Well I don't want to compare us to Harris County on any side. There you go. We all agree. Jimmy do we have any fatalities in the county? For I'm not being able to get there and render service or render aid. Can you say directly related? I can't think of an instant where we could say it was directly related. Do we have delays on cardiac arrest? Do we have delays on house fires? Do we have delays now? Yes, there are delays. What's the significance of that impact? It varies from incident to incident. The one you saw was a truck driving around to get to a house fire. That wasn't a major house fire, but it could have been. And that's on the current 22 foot. And some are 18. And some of the things that we're not discussing and there's no value online for what you guys do. Believe me, I appreciate it. But with the current regulations are also addressing minimum watt widths, house setback, and it's breaking down to where it's not just a blanket 28. We've put a lot of extensive research in. I know we bring up Harris County, but you've got four Ben counties, Brazoria counties that are rapidly going from rural to suburban to urban like we're experiencing in some areas. Unfortunately, I might add, but we've also tried to take a page out of there, but if we've looked at the text out standards, you brought up the speed deterrents and their minimum widths. And uh, I'm not planning out for Ben County today is 28 feet all road. That's, uh, that's not what we pulled. Well, that's, that's the research that we had. So okay, the research we have shows 24, but for carbon gutter or open ditch or carbon gutter. So I just want to bring up some of those points and ask and I agree with you and appreciate Y'all's position on it. And I know the court and Tommy and his team have worked very hard on the regulations to get something palatable for you guys. But correct me if I'm wrong in this. Didn't you say in your stakeholders meetings that far Marshall and the ESDs were not included? I'm just asking. One of the meetings, I think we kept Brian Cross updated. I don't think he was necessarily on all the meetings though. Okay. We had developers in here. We had engineers in here. And I forgot who all we had. So at this point, if I may or there is anyone else here that would like to make comment on this issue, this is a public hearing and at this point, correct me if I'm wrong, BD or Amy, but there's no action while I'm here at this point. not in public hearing and at this point Cretney if I'm wrong be either any but there's no action. Well, I'm here at this point not in public hearing Okay, unless we put it on The future okay, there's anyone else who would like to make a comment on this there being none People I'm sorry Thank you. Good. I thank you all for the old saying. Thank you. Thank you. Good. I thank you all for your. Thank you all. Thank you all. Good morning court. Can bill submit a planning and design just reviewing through the kind of draft regulations. I've got kind of five or six main bullet points of kind of items in here that either need clarification fleshed out a little bit more. Just want to bring that to y'all's attention. So further drafts can kind of fill those in. OK. Main one that's kind of top of the list, I represent a lot of match point communities, developers, builders in the area. Grandfathering is one of the main topics at concerns that people closer to the microphone. Yes, sir. Grandfathering is a main concern, especially a lot of these developments are multi-year deals. So there's one line in the current grant fathering section for the draft. I'd like to see that fleshed out a little bit more and just some thought given to, you know, we can be 18, 20 sections into a 30 section deal. We don't want the rules to change on us or have some leeway as we're kind of going through trying to complete out a project. Very early on in the draft it talks about Commissioner approval and support prior to some middle. I understand, you know, we definitely like pre development meetings for all of our new deals, you know, depending on the size. Be able to come in, present to the commissioner or commissioner staff get buy in, and that support. The only question there is thought would be, what is that impact timeline for being able to get those mills in or meeting with commissioner staff trying to get those things scheduled? Where that impacts just kind of getting everything in and approved in and on agenda. The roadway classifications, I glad the Farmers Association came up and spoke. A lot of things in there I think are good discussed or see them on the table, but there's four different kind of collector standards shown in, I believe it's Table 7-2. I can't find that I may have overlooked it, but is it a trip for day? What's kind of causing trip to go from one side of a minor collector up to a major and onto a thoroughfare? thoroughfare plan is mentioned in the draft document, but it doesn't kind of give a clarification on when certain roadways kind of fall into place. And then lastly, in the document, special lot products are mentioned, you know, two or three different times, as an aside, I believe once in kind of the building setbacks, I'm in the lot size, sorry, a lot with discussion. But I haven't really had any clarification or thought of when those may be applicable. So my question is, does open up a development agreement conversation or any other kind of special agreement with commissioner with the county if we want to do town homes, how do you homes anything of that nature? Those are my comments. Thank you. Thank you. Very thoughtful. We appreciate it very much. We've taken note. I'm going to put and commissioners for someone to say thank you for what you do. Public service is just incredible and the thought and the time the effort that goes into this is just overwhelming. My name is Randy Jones. I'm a residential land developer in the Greater Houston area. Been doing it for 40 years. I love it. I'll continue to do it until my wife tells me no. I'm here today speaking on behalf of the Greater Houston Builders Association. And we thank you for inviting stakeholders from the builder community, the developers and engineers involved in that process. And I've read the document. I mean, from page to page, it's very thorough. I know there's a tweak always coming here and there, but it's very comprehensive in my reading. and it makes a lot of sense. I will tell you I also serve on the Houston Planning Commission. I've been a commissioner for eight years at least. I will tell you that Senate Bill 2038 which is the annexation opt-out bill has changed what we do. Our agendas are smaller and with But that I imagine imagine that your agendas are larger on the circumstances where Plattson come through within the ETJ. We see Platts that only come through. Unless someone chooses to not seek out the deanexation, or then we would see them, but it's not very often. Our meeting just the last two, three hours now, we're done in an hour and a half or so. But the GHBA will bring to you some written comments. I think that's just a tweaking here and a tweaking there. But we recognize that growth is here, and growth will continue, and we need to do this in a manner that is fair and successful. We've got a uniform because we know what's happening. We've seen it and we continue to see it. You commented for Ben County, Missouri County, Galveston County. Every County is facing this. With that, again, I want to say thank you and you'll hear from us soon. Thank you for the comments. Appreciate that so much. Thank you. All right. Anyone else who would like to make comments on this first item? All right. They're being known, Amy. 14B. Can I ask a question before we move on? Sure, we're still in the public hearing. Okay. What kind of, Tommy, what kind of grandfather clause did we end up with in these regs? Cause I mean, it's changed two or three times. And I don't know if I've got the latest in the greatest. If there is a greatest. So after we talked, I sent that chart to you that we were working on to kind of go over the grandfather clauses, but right now in our draft manual, there's just a statement basically saying when the regs are approved, that's the drop date dead. When changed our, and I don't know if I can't remember, I know you weren't here to Tommy, and I'm not sure if you were here, when we upgraded our road standards from 18 feet wide, or it's an half asphalt, and, and whatever, if somebody had their plat in the engineer's office for that road or those type roads and we changed it to 22 foot driving lanes, 24 foot base, eight inches of base, two inches of asphalt. If they had the old rigs in this plat, it was already in the engineers office, it got to stay and it was approved. The minute the new standards for the roads was approved in court, you had to go to the new road standards. Is that correct? Is that how we did that? Essentially and basically how we we looked at the chart and everything and one thing we've suggested is that you need a bright line rule. It's hard you know you understand how master development works and part of that is to encourage development agreements that they have 18 sections they know they're going to plat over a number of years. That's fine. Come to us, talk about development agreement. Let's get together on the same page with regard to that. And we can work to face it in. But you need a bright line rule. But yes, and I believe how the reg read or any complete plat application, complete application that's in engineering this office is under the old rules. And it's for any application filed after a certain date. BD, is it not indirectly reference with the variance, or precinct? You can't, well, there are permission for variancesiances one thing we've had under the Current rules we've had very few variances Correct, but we're going through this grandfather phase who we're expecting to see some requests for variances coming in well Well, what I know well, what I don't want to see is them coming work out a full comprehensive development agreement But yes, you may very well see some very this gentleman made the comment if comment if he's got 30 sections, he's 18. I don't want if we change, if we adopt these new regs and he's still got 12 or what sections to develop, I don't want him to be able to just build them to the old specs. Right. That's not right. But I don't want to go in there and say, whatever you've done, if you've got two sections ready to go, you just haven't got them into the engineers office or you haven't got them completely approved. I don't want them to have to go back and redo all that either. Certainly. And one of the things you can do, you can say if you don't want to be affected upon the adoption of new rules you can say upon a certain all completed applications applications as of June be affected upon the adoption of the real, you can say upon a certain all completed applications, applications as a June first or whenever it is. And if they've got a couple of things working, then they can certainly enough time to get whatever you decide what's enough time to get those completed applications in to where they can be reviewed and out under the old regs. But we've give them some grace period and I what I what I don't want to do I don't want to give a bunch of barrens as well we if we're going through all this why we you know we don't need a bunch of barrens not have barrens well don't need it if we can help I've got to speak to this as well and what you say. And give my viewpoint or my position on it. Where we don't want to get stuff with a bunch of variances, I don't want to get stuff with a bunch of developments that don't complement this county or my precinct with the direction we're headed. So that's where I appreciate the variance process on like some of the examples you laid out, but I think on the back end of that, when there's been a man, a rush to get clats in or stuff in, then I get, I'm stuck or the county stuck with you know, I agree. But again, I have no problem and I've got one of the master plan subdivisions that had the 22 foot roads and when we changed our standards, you can ask, you can see where his last four sections went to the new, I mean, the road goes from here to there. It's just how it is. And that's how it's got to be. We can't let somebody continue just because they've got 30 sections that they think they're going to do. Well, there's got to be a place where they have to start with the new. I think I would remind the court is to develop and rank for the minimum requirements. Yes. And if we made this, we've had discussion. The very good develops to master plan developer aren't the problem. Problem is with the ones who want to design to the very minimum so they do need to be sufficient to have good development even with the minimum compliance. So it's really good to go back to the committee that you guys put together and make some final decisions. I'm not saying I just I don't like the chart that you said. That's two. Number one is too hard to figure out. And this don't have to be that difficult. If you're doing this and you've got two or three sections that you're doing, then you get a grace period. Maybe I don't know how you figure this out, but you can't. You can't let them just finish out their whole development with the old rigs just called their starter. They've got to come into compliance whenever we get our new rigs adopted. Do we give them a grace period after that? Or is it that day? That's what we need to figure out. And I don't think the chart is the way to go. I think there could be some guard rails on timing and size. But if somebody invested money in Montgomery County, and then we sort of flip the page on them, I feel like there needs to be some mechanism to be able to say, hey, we get it. You invested money in Montgomery County. You were going to come build this development, We just change the rules on you. I think there needs to be something there, but we have some give. Other spaces. you invested money in Montgomery County, you were gonna come build this development and we just changed the rules on you. I think there needs to be something there where we have some gifts. The other states that the developers are making the money. Let's face that. But they are also spending it. So it takes a lot of money to get the plans and construction plans and plants. That's a lot of money. And to have somebody just have to throw that away just cause we change something in the middle of midstream. I don't like that. We got to give them some kind of grace period to make sure we can all work together on that So that chart we put together had best in art is had best in using and Nobody could figure that it's all that if you submitted a section or a phase I Guess before the Rex chains are close to it, and it would be in. Okay, make it a little bit easier done. Those guys are smarter than you and I combined. They can figure it out. Yes, Judge. We have discussed this. We know what we need to do in terms of the committee. We can make sure it's got some great points in terms of this. I would suggest you guys get back together. We're almost for this close. There's a few tweaks we need to make. Others here who have made some great comments consider those things bring us back a plan. We'll move forward. It's a great discussion. Thank you very much. Clean it up Tommy. All right Amy. Thank you Tommy. Sorry to put you on the spot. Consider the partial reply of lot one two three and four of grain rent farms to be known as whole bird division. The purpose of the proposed partial reply is to combine four residential lots and create two residential lots. No phone calls have been received. The A2A was not found and the plot is submitted for commissioners approval by county engineer and agenda item 15A. But is anybody here to speak about that? Okay. Precinct 4. Consider the partial report of Lot 10, block 1, peach, grape, and teacin. Section 3, you're not, we can't make it. So pause for a minute. No, no, it's connoisse. The proposed partial reply is grape 4 lot. And if anybody here to speak about that, we notice was made to the HWA. The plot is not is not ready and will be available another. That come on. Yes. Yes. Yes. Station name for the record, please. Good morning, everybody. My name is Davis. Are they H.O.A.? From the H.O.A. Yes, thank you. President of the Peachtreeq Plantation Property Owners Association. I didn't quite understand the point you just made while I was walking up, we're going to discuss that. So, today is a public hearing. So, the commissioners are here. They're listening to any comments you have about this, but they're not going to take action today on the plot. It will be submitted on a future court date, but prior to that approval or rejection, there has to be a public hearing. That's what today is just comment. No, no, that's fine. That's really all I had anyway with some comments. So I've been the president, I guess, for a little over a year. And since I took that office, I was trying to figure out how to maintain the integrity of our large acreage community out in peach creek plantation. And one of the things we've seen, and this is an example, this particular one, so that's why I thought I'd come today and talk about it a little bit. Again, not sure what we could do with this level about it in general, but I just thought we'd start the conversation this way. The developer, when we put our regulation back in 2007 or some sort of timeframe way before my time in that neighborhood, didn't really think about after they set up a large acreage community, you really didn't think about the fact that people could come in there and start chopping up these large acreages down to maybe one acre lots. Financial speaking, I understand the motives there whether you're a developer or whether you're a homeowner. In this case, I believe it's a homeowner, not a developer. This is an example, and again, it's not the first example. It's happened in the neighborhood already. And mainly because there's really technically no restrictions in our bylaws or our regulations that say any different. It's kind of up to the county to approve, yes, you could do this or no, you can't. And I'm not sure what those rules and regulations are from a county perspective. But from the integrity of our neighborhoods perspective and the homeowners that actually live there, the consensus there is, albeit verbal consensus at board meetings and so forth, are, yes, we would like to maintain the large acreage style community that we all bought into and moved out there and built our, you know, plenty of us, our retirement homes out there and so forth. And we want to really try to prevent in any way, shape or form the dividing up of, say, a 10 acre lot or even smaller or even larger acres and prevent having homes situated in such that it's more like a master plank community where you have homes, you know, 10, 15 feet apart. We do have some regulations about, you know, easements on the side of the build lines and setback lines and things like that. But we've seen actually with some of the existing one acre lots or even slightly larger than one acre lots out there where people want to put a large home on the middle of it. And then we have to start making variances on our 75-foot bill lines or 15-foot bill linesver, is that right? Right. Mr. Davis, sorry. Okay. Josh, works for me. We'll get with you right after court. If you want to hang around. Okay. Certainly an ironer's interest to protect the charm of your neighborhood and the county if there's a statue to stand on. We'll certainly investigate that and see if we can help. Okay. Yep, well that's really all I asked. I appreciate your time this morning. Part of that is just one last thing to say out loud is not only the community, but with much smaller lots being there, we start to see the national forest diminish as well because it just takes a lot more trees out with more homes than you put in. I live on a 12-acre space and you barely know I live back there. And going for a wildlife exemption on my property and all that. So there's many of us out there with that thought process and we'd like to maintain that. But I appreciate that. Yeah. And I'll hang around it. Absolutely, sir. Thank you so much for your comments. appreciate very very much anybody out all right we're gonna at this point if anyone else i'm sorry hang around it. Absolutely sir. Thank you so much for your comments. I appreciate it very very much. Anybody out? All right we're going to at this point. Anyone else? I'm sorry. All right the list go ahead and reconvene court and take appropriate action. County engineer 15a. We have a motion to approve. I'll make that motion is our second. We have a second or was there a motion going to die? Second. Okay we do have a second. We have a second or was there a motion going to die. Second. Okay, we do have a second. In discussion, all in favor? I post motion carries. All right. Thank you. Let's move forward. Now consider and discuss the potential May 2025 road bond. We have with us today, Marcus Deets, who's gonna come and share some things with us. And we really have this in kind of two sections, but it really comes under 16B. But to consider and discuss the potential May 25 road bond election. And so we can look specifically at what our workshop revealed to us when we're re-edited up with that. Good afternoon, commissioners. In front of you, you have the presentation that John Robuck. Sorry, go ahead. Sorry about that. Double-Boot that. I apologize. Would you introduce yourself as our... Sorry, John Robuck, be okay if I'm scared. I'm your financial advisor. After the last meeting, we went back and ran the $480 million to see if the impact on the tax rate would be. And like we talked about, we can do this without a tax rate increase on a debt service tax rate. What was the highest number you could go without a tax rate there We squeezed it in there by adding in a refunding into this year and we did only a conservative basis because we used to run the refunding to show the savings to basically keep the fund balance at 15% at the end of each year. So 480 is the top? Yes sir. 480 is the top that I'm comfortable with based on the average around. There you go. And we came to that conclusion that we could go that high in the event of the last call we don't have to make the full call to drop it to keep it within the range depending upon market condition correct this is purely just authorization we'll come to each time with with the amount we're going to sell and get your approval of that time all right one other question in beginning we're going to we're going going to get 120 divided between the four commissioners. So when is the next draw? Well, it's in the following year or whenever you tell me to. So we have it set up for about 20 years. Yeah, so what we do is, Requestioner, I'm wanting to that with Melanie, make it because remember to there are some other projections that go into those numbers. But once we get close where we know that you guys, especially when it comes to a word, right? Because Rikesh is going to certify funds based on what we actually have. So we what we do monitor that, that's part of why, whenever your departments do any kind of requisitions regarding road bonds, they come to us for kind of basically what we're doing is a fun check. We're making sure that the funder there, that they're spending enough in any event that we have to pay that bill within 9,800 to 365 days, whatever it is, they're recording with all the efforts. So that is part of what me and my cash look at, along with Melanie from the Chargers office, and then we're working with John Robux team as well. Okay. So October 26 will be the second one if we... If you spend over it. If we get it before that. We could do before it. Yes, sir. I mean, obviously, I'm worried about it. I'm worried about some of us getting our projects or our money spent ahead of people. Commissioner, you're going to have your money sent fast. I'm. Yes. Right now, this is being scheduled. can be modified for what I remember. In fact, I remember in the last bond program we sold the second bond sale within, I think nine months, the first bond sale. Is August 25 as soon as we can get it? We can do certain that. That was just based on, again, the successful election in the contest period and then starting the process in July, so in August, we get probably started in late June. You probably get done by late July. That would be better than August. Yes, really. All right. Very good. Let's just go ahead and move then to item people. I just want to thank the commission's question. I discussed with some of the chiefs of staff. We do have a road bond email set up for questions or comments that citizens have specifically. We will be working with the appropriate teams to make sure that those questions get answered. But I do have these little cards that you guys are welcome to take today with those email address. So it's a road bond 25 at mctx.org. Is the email address we're asking our citizens constituents to use if they have specific questions related to the road bun. Like I said we will partner with each appropriate person that needs to to answer those questions. My concern about that is somebody's email and that email about one of my projects who knows who's going to be able to answer those questions. We're coordinating that. So we believe we we we're going to sit down with the county attorney's office, OJA and with some chief of staff to kind of go through that process of how the questions get answered. We have to be careful and I'm I'm going to give you guys before you raise today a little book. I specifically recommend that you guys look for book in this book on pages 55 through 60 because this is it but this kind of does like we talked about before, tire hands a little bit. This is from Texas Association of Counties so they have some some just some like you know helpful tips on how to make sure you're staying within the law and the preview of the law. But specifically related to we can you know even LJA working on behalf of us we just have have be careful in specific situations so we're gonna work through the county attorney's office with that. Worked and we state the language to your point, Commissioner Walker about splitting it four ways but it doesn't state that. We can make a resolution for that or a motion. We also do it. We did but it down that but we didn't vote on it last time. Okay, yeah. We did not vote on it. It was a workshop. Would you like to make a resolution for that or a motion. We also did that. Oh, we did, but it's not that we didn't vote on it last. Okay. Yeah. We did not vote on it. It was a workshop. Would you like to make that motion? I will make it. Yeah, I'll make that motion. That's good for ways. Okay. To include no in with the assumption with no tax, no tax increase. Correct. $120 million a piece. We have a motion. Reserves second. I think that's 120 every time we sell. No, no, no, no. It's 120 for the overall. That's this is what. 490 million 120 a piece we have a motion is there a second I think that's 120 every time we still no no no No, no 120 for the overall that's this is what I would take one twenty one twenty one twenty if he if you spend your money A little bit faster than him that's okay We're not gonna step tell you to stop you're doing your projects, but your 120 is your max that's that's how you guys do the Twenty-fifth year of fun The first time we sell mines are going to sell 120 million dollars worth of bonds and we're going to split 120 million four ways So what we're saying? So how are you guys for the twenty-four months? The first time we sell bonds are going to sell a hundred twenty million dollars worth bonds We're gonna spend a hundred twenty million four ways. So what we're saying that's right. Well, yes or no That's not how you did the 2015 bond. Okay. Hopefully it's nothing like the 2015 bond We're not saying come to sure like if you had projects that were ready to go and another precinct didn't have projects So we're ready to go and we're ready to go. We're not going to stop your projects because of that specific instance. I've got a rubber we're going to do. We're ready to go and another precinct didn't have projects are ready to go and you're ready to go and we're ready to go. We're not going to stop your projects because of that specific instance. I've got several ready projects ready to rip. I think that's been $120 million in a sitting, which I hate to say out loud, but we're so so behind first draw. So, I think that the idea is it'll be 120 million per commissioner over the life of the bonds, right? So, if on the first bond sale, Commissioner Gray, you had more projects and Commissioner Walker, you didn't have any projects. We're ready. He might get more. But in total, you will get 120 million. You will get 120 million. Which I think is a smart way to look at it considering the construction cost escalations just over economic, three to five margin increases we're seeing per year on everything. Okay, so I won't 60 million my first time. So we do it through budget enforcement, right? As we do it through budget enforcement as you pay the bills. So remember it's not about just incorporating the bills it's actually paying the bill right because in covering the money doesn't actually take the money out of the bank it's not until you actually pay the bill that we're actually taking the money you know that we we we've basically here's the problem he's got it he spent a hundred million dollars right now without doing it on one draw for everybody he He can spend $100 million right now. There's 200 million right now that we could have done in short order. And if we do that or something similar to that, that would decrease the amount of draws that we would have for us. Or we have to do it in four draws. I will build on what the judge is saying real quick. When we have the support of the public effort when this goes through We can all start Work immediately and go ahead and sign contracts because the money's going to come through and then you'll get a Cost schedule that we would pay out on so it's not really handcuffing anybody up here I just don't want to get projects flowing and then Charlie's taking 60 million. And I don't get 30 million. You better get him flowing fast. Well I'm ready but I'm just saying I don't want you out to say all right well we don't have the money for it. Well then we're stuck so I think leave my 30 million alone. Wait for the next round if you got to. Look the key is what Amanda saying I want y'all to get your projects going if you can actually spend the money instead of income or the money for three or four years. It's it's it's it's been in the money. Now year two I may need a little more than 30 but I'm sorry I said you're two I may need a little more than 30 But but I would be willing to bet based on my project list that I won't need One-four exactly of that one-twenty that first that first round and I think the way we should do it is if you got a project ready to write a check on right to check That's what's best for the county. I think I agree. Eventually, over time, we'll all catch up. Right. And that's basically what it just took Commissioner Gray coming in office to catch up for Commissioner Prissy Fores. But that's exactly what happened. So it, previously, actually, Commissioner, it was Commissioner 3 that spent a lot of his money at the beginning along with Commissioner Riley and then finally at the end, all the ones caught up and finished their projects. And so it can work. Part of it is managing, you know, basically the money that we do have. And that's what if you leave it to me, Rick, I have to stop on your project. We're going to be plenty of notice to make sure that we're working with John to get that next issue and sold once the bond passes one passes. Communication is gonna be the key to this whole thing for us to operate properly. Okay, so what we have, do you remember what the motion and motion data has increased? 120 split four ways, $400 million. But most of the effect you made the motion is or second? Second. On favor? Aye. Opposed Motion carries. Item B, 16 B. Consider the approval of an order calling a bond election from May 3rd, 2025. Can we have a motion in that effect? We have a motion in our second. We have a motion in the second. Any more discussion. All right, all in favor? Aye. Opposed, motion carries. We did it. Thank you guys. We still got it, we still got it, passed. Thank you all. We will. Thank you. All right, at this time, we're going to just go to our executive session, the quote will recess for executive session, pursuant to one more of the following provisions the Texas Government Code to to which chapter 551 sub-chapter D articles 551.076 551.089. And 551.071 if you're asking for big advice and 551.074 if we're discussing personnel matters. Thanks. All right. Which we include both of those in this discussion. Let's go. Thank you. Thank you. All right which we include both of those in this discussion let's go. Thank you. Thank you. All right thank you all for being patient with us. Appreciate y'all hanging in there. Before we went earlier in consent for the record and on 9J1 page 7 of our consent agenda in a payroll payroll change request form number 58. And it was requested that we take that to executive session. We're out from executive session. And do I have a motion to accept number 58 as it is? PCR. Move. Have motions or a second? I'll second half second all right it's really discussion Yeah, I'm not gonna get into the Employee discussions, but I just wanted to be known that I am not in favor of PCR 58 So that's No, I don't know the discussion all right all in favor? I'll just say this being up here, I've been here 30 days, and I'll just leave it at that. All right. Please, you're out of order, please. All right. So the question, we have a, we have emotion, we have a second. All in favor. Hi. I posed. We have one opposed. Thank you all very much. And with that, we are going to adjourn our session today.