you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you The workshop. Thank you Mayor Moby. Good afternoon, City Council. We'll go through the agenda for Monday. First item we have is several items of old business and they are second readings of six separate ordinances to authorize demolition of unfit structures. That'll be presented by Executive Director of Inspections in Engineering Mark Harbour. Afternoon Mayor and Council. That's times you've Mr. City Manager. As we have discussed in a previous workshop and passed once under a first reading, 2134 site and these other groups of houses may have changed with one exception and that is the owner of 513 West Clay has approached me and says she does in fact, as she told us, at the hearing, more to take it down herself. I would encourage you to go ahead and give us a special seat. She understands the middle of this process, but if she will suspend her mind rather than city money, I'm all for it. So, yes, as we've done that before for you. Any questions, I'll be glad to answer. There's 12 to the pictures there so we can see what I... This is two 15 haze. This is 311 fine and of course y'all tell immediately it. No, we don't. And Mark, even if we approve this one, we're y'all going to wait to hear it back from that place street or move forward. Yes, we are. She told us that the hearing she wanted to take it down, but the hearing, of course, has been four months ago. And we've heard nothing out of her. She said that she had the way she put it as they had abandoned her, the individual. They talked to her about taking it down. I don't know who that was, but she says, now Ms. Betty Williams is her name, she says now she doesn't want to take it down. So I sure heard of while she stayed in touch when we let her hold back and let her do that. This is 407 for it. 511 Hardaway. And this is 513. Play was played which Mr. Say we have had. And there's not much of this. All right. Thank you, Councillor. Thank you, Mark. Next we're rolling into new business and that is the first reading of an ordinance to rezone 1701, 1705 colonial drive from C2 commercial to MCU manufacturing conditional use. Heavy other manufacturing process and packaging and nor handling of similar nature which shall not emit or produce more smoke, noise, odor, dust, vibrations, more fumes, city planner, kidney Thompson. Thank you. That's a lot. Afternoon, I apologize for the mouthful. That's all right. But so yeah, so this is a rezoning of it, 1701, 1705, home you'll drive. This first image is just kind of a picture of the workout thing on the property. To give you a little bit of background, dispenser packaging has been in operation on this property for the past several years or sorry not dispenser there. I'll step back dispenser packaging would like to rent to 25,000 square feet of the warehouse space. The 22.5 acre property is currently being used by Interstate Warehouse Distribution Service. They've been on this property for the past several years. They will remain in use. And so this will be a new use with the dispenser packaging. And the current property has a 28,000 square foot warehouse and an 8,000 square foot office building. Access to rail to truck. It is well suited for the proposed manufacturing use of that has been proposed by distance of packaging. Just to give you some more images, these are just images of the distinct properties. You can see that 22.5 acres was initially built designed to be used as a warehouse and manufacturing space. However, you can see it is currently some and C2 is commercial. To give you a little bit of background on just location, this property backs up. It's at the intersection of Big Star and Colonial Drive it backs up to the back of Walmart, to the, is on the West-Hanside. But as you can see, to both the North and the South, it is, it is going to end in both sides by manufacturing property and then it is on the edge of the city limits and so it is bounded by vacant land in the county to the east. In our comprehensive plan, this area is shown as kind of this highway, which allows for large auto-oriented uses, and so this rezoning would be consistent with the comprehensive plan. However, it is currently zone C2, which would not allow for any sort of manufacturing use. So, in order for the dispenser processing to be able to actually operate on this site, it would have to be reason to manufacturing to allow for the manufacturing of any type of use. This has gone before the Planning and Planning Commission and they have this does mean that it does meet the requirements for resounding them. For the following reasons, it does allow continuing and expanded use of the property that is consistent with the surrounding and adjacent uses. It is consistent with the conference of plan for this year. And so with that staff and the planning committee commission would recommend approval of approval of this rezoning of C2 to the manufacturing use. We do have representatives of both the business and the property owner are here today. If you have any further questions about the actual operations on site. But this was heard by the Planning and Zoning Commission. There were no objections to the proposed rezoning. And so on Monday night we'll be coming before you requesting the rezoning. I'm just going to have any employee to go ahead. So I believe they're going to start with is it 15? So I think they'll have, they'll begin with 15 employees, but with running at such a large space, there's an opportunity as they continue business to be able to expand both in production and in number of employees. So what is it going to be for them? I know it's manufacturing. So essentially they manufacture, it's a manufacturer. Essentially they manufacture it's a plastic bottle we actually have a, you miss what I've brought, an example of the bottle. So essentially if you've ever gotten orange juice out of a container at a hotel you probably use one of their packaging products. So what they'll be making here is the actual the bottle on the caps, they're to be filled with usually different beverages or juices and then sold wholesale to different, you typically hotels and other types of places that do the juice dispensers. And so that's, so there is a potential to be able to expand into other uses, other types of plastic manufacturing, but what this company does make are these plastic containers. What's the name of the company? It is dispenser packaging. Dispenser packaging, okay. We can pass the sample around if you want. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So you already had a machinery to make those bottles. Sorry. We already have the machinery and to make those. Dispenser factory folks, half machinery that's already on the side being installed to be able to do this work. Thank you. Do you have any other questions? On the first page under staff analysis, and maybe this didn't pop through all the way on my form here, but under summary, correct me if I'm wrong, it says dispenser packaging company produces, and then there's a couple dots right there. Was that a minute on purpose, or was that? No, I believe that was just an error in the that we sent over. So I think at the time we were trying to get more information from this and that's if you able to give you accurate information. Yeah, I just did not make it into the staff. So I apologize. You're good. I was making it. I was like, OK, I didn't know if I was missing something. So you're good. No good catch. Anything else for Kenny? Thank you all. Thanks, Kenny. You're up again here. We've got another first reading of an ordinance to reason on 510 North Park NL street from manufacturing to R2 residential. All right, thank you. So this is our second rezoning request for Monday this is a vacant vacant piece of property property it's over on Cornell Street it is about an acre and a half. It previously houses that were on this property but the homes were demolished about 30 years ago just to give you a little bit of background, this has always been used as a residential property. However, in 1958, when the city instituted zoning, this along with several other properties in this neighborhood, Reson manufacturing, which at this time does not allow for single family, single family residences to be developed. So essentially what the property owners requesting is to rezone, to residential to allow for the construction of single family houses. Just to give you a little bit of example of some more context for the neighborhood, if you look at these four images, these show the surrounding properties, all of which are zone manufacturing. As you can tell, it is predominantly housing. There is Parnell Park that is across the street. So this is most definitely a residential neighborhood and residential zoning, we believe would be appropriate for this. If you look at this map, it shows that the property that is in question outlined, kind of faintly outlined in these red red dashes. All the pictures that we showed you earlier were taken within a one block radius of this property. It does back up to kind of the the Baton Tackle Shop along West Jackson Street to the south, Parnel Park to the north, and the railroad track and kind of Parnel Street on the eastern side, and then residential houses on the west. In our comprehensive plan we do show this is being part of a traditional neighborhood so we define that residential learning to be consistent with the conference of plan. Then we did want to give you a sense this is what the property owner is requesting of the one and a half acre site. They want to construct along ribbon and Parnell Street, eight single family lots, and then leave the back portion of this open for potential future residential development. But at this time, they're just requesting the rezoning of the property, and then we will come back with the final plat to be able to begin construction on these different eight parcels. So again, staff and the Plending and Zoning Commission to begin construction on these different eight parcels. So again, staff and the Planning and Zoning Commission find that this rezoning would allow for residential use, which is compatible with the surrounding neighbors and it is also consistent with the comprehensive plan and the traditional neighborhoods. And so our request for you on Monday will be to rezone this property from manufacturing to R2 residential. Okay, did that do just about duck site years ago? I believe it. It may have been. I know that there's been some, you know, I do believe there's been some investigative work into the suitability of the soils. I think everything that's come back has been, it is able to be built upon. From what we could find in the history piece of this, there did used to be some homes on this side as well. So there were, at one point in the history of this property, there were single family houses located around the site, but I don't think it was ever fully developed. Okay. Do you remember the dump site? Nothing just with dump site years ago. How many other I mean this is a general question but I'd be super curious. I mean other what would be considered residential areas were just uniformly blanketed with a manufacturing zone. Do we have a lot of that left in the city? We have about three pockets. So this area around Parnell Street is one. There's another kind of around Madison Street and kind of where the Madison Street bridges. And then there's maybe one more. So we do have a few areas of property that we're looking at. And I think if you, our hope would be that at some point we'd be able to come before you come with a larger rezoning request to be able to turn some of these neighborhoods that actually are full of residential properties and rezoning them back to residential. Because it's you, the potential of what you could do on a commercialized own piece of properties is very concerning when you're surrounded by a lot of residential here. You know within in the context of a residential neighborhood. What was it there pocket on the WestJet, what West Clay, Stevens Street area? Yes, I think that yes, and there's there's there's some over there as well where there's some there's and there's several homes that are zoning manufacturing. And so I think it may have been oversight in the 1950s when the zoning went through with there. Certainly things we'd like to go back and try to repair. And that center parcel, would that be the plan? I saw a multi-family, would that be the future potential use would be like some apartments or something like that? Or is that? So it could be. I think at this point they're holding it open just as future development. If it were to come in as apartments they would have to go back through a conditionally use process. And so it would have to go back through the Planning and Planning and Planning Commission and come to the Oregon if there were to be, you know, an apartment complex, of multi-unit building put there. R2, it's a bit of a misnomer. It's called multi-family, but essentially what it is is it allows for mix of different residential times. So it allows for a slightly narrower lot size, so 60-foot wide lot size, which is pretty consistent with what's in the neighborhood. Most of the lots in this area are about 50 feet wide, and it does allow for some multifamily like a two unit, three unit structures, but it would not allow for it would not allow and that the site itself is not large enough to hold much larger than that in terms of a residential development. So these lots will be sold to people to build or is the developer building the home? I the developer was not at the planning and zoning meeting last night. I don't from what I understand I believe he intends to actually develop the property build the houses and then sell them. I can get that information to you before Monday I don't think we can reach out to him him. We need to get more information about that. Think of more information about that. Also residential, I mean we got put near park right across Trump there so the park would be big enough to occupy the homes that are going to be built out there. So that's something we need to talk about, think about the whole soul. No, absolutely. I definitely think that having some more homes facing on the Parano Park will make that. It certainly has the ability to increase the amount of people who couldn't use in that park. And they need to take another look at either the amenities that are in the park to make sure that they're actually consistent with the housing in the area. I do, so something I do, we have heard and we're happy that we'll get some more information to actually nail down the prices on these, but I do believe that these houses were intended to be sold at more of the workforce housing rates, I believe that the developer intended to sell them for under around 200,000, which is the goal for these. I mean, it's, I think you probably need to have a developer come in front of us, so we can ask those questions also, cause for the houses, that's what we look for, for the houses, we don't wanna put the houses out there that's in town affordable, they could sit there and manage. So he didn't come to the meeting. He was not present at the meeting, but we can certainly ask, we can get this information from you and be able to present this to you. I guess my last thing is that if this property has been vacant for that long, something reason probably had to be there. It doesn't have anything to do with the manufacturing plant that's across the street. I'll... You... You... You... We... Without knowing you... I know you may not know, but I'm just curious because it was there. What's... What was your question? The property has been vacant for a long time. And I'm trying to figure out was there reason for it just to stay vacant and nobody, you know, look at it, except for the, and I was wondering if it was anything to do with the manufacturing plant that's across the street from this property. Well, I know. Across Jackson. We'll get the developer here Monday night. He's not able to, he or she's not able to show up then we'll postpone it until they are. That's how. I do recall there used to be a dumping area over there 40 years ago, but I don't remember where exactly it was. I think it was said for a same period of time, I don't know if it's a lapse of, an expiry out of what, but I know a few of them are supposed to be a dead trace of husband being a dead cleave philip, supposed to have a dead trace there. You think else? Kenny? I don't know maybe as much as y'all do about it. I guess I would assume this might be a good thing. It does. It housing back in that block. We can postpone it if we need to. But I guess I don't know why we would need a postpone. Well, I just want to know was the dumpers site and what reason why the front-end didn't be under there was the trick to be under there was because they was the dumpers sight at that time. It has a time expired to where you can go in the beard or nothing. The current zoning was probably part of the reason why it hasn't been developed because if someone wanted to build a home there and it's zoning manufacturing, they wouldn't have been allowed to do that. So this is the first step in really clearing that so it could happen. But as far as the history of what may have happened there, Kenny can have that information for y'all Monday night. Can I just do this? We'll take two readings. Here we go. So we can get information. That's not postponing it. Okay. We can get information. We can get information. I'm for the house. I don't want to. I don't, I don't, that's, I guess that's not what I'm looking at. I just want to make sure that since these are going to be affordable houses and where it's located, that there's no problem with the air or the dumping or anything else that will affect these people lives after they buy a house. That's what I'm looking at. If you can't find that out, it's okay, but I just don't want that to happen in ten years and all of this is causing people problems. That's what I'm talking about. Have they done a geotechnical study on this? Do you know what Kenny? I've not, if they have, they've not shared it with me. So I'll get a hold of the developer and we'll see what amount of due diligence work that they've done and we'll be able to provide that team to show you what we have. Yeah, we don't need to post porn, we just have to give it over to the dancers. I've always wondered what property had houses on it. I was just getting up here. This takes two readings. Let's get it there Monday. If you could come. If not, then we postpone it again. It'd be the other day. We'll reach out to the developer and make sure you can get them here Monday night. Thanks, Guiti. Next we have a Consider Author authorization of a tentative allocation letter for the Southwest Quadrant Development Area for Hanger Development. That would be our airport manager Robert Petty. Here Robert. The community council is there. I'm Robert Petty, I'm with the Thomasville Regional Airport. I'm here for you to consider the authorization of the temporary allocation letter that we received first of the month from G.Dot for the funding of the Southwest Development Area. Currently they are offering 75% grants, totaling $1 million, $875,000, requiring a match from the city of 625,000. This will provide us with the opportunity to expand the airport's operations and to increase the capacity of the airport to place more aircraft on the airport and provide us more opportunities to generate revenue as well as to provide businesses the opportunity to build at the airport. We currently have 22 potential tenants that would like to move the city of Thomasville place their aircraft here. We have two businesses that are already based here, that have aircraft here, that are expanding their fleets and need an increased size of a hanger, which we cannot currently accommodate. We also have a number of individuals who would also like to build hangars for their own personal aircraft here as well. So what we'd like to do is, again, I don't know if you're familiar with the area here, but on the southwest side of the airport, behind Dean Steele and across the street from Link's train trailers, there's an access road, which we call the Westgate Road, that leads to the end of runway 4, which you see marked there at the bottom of the page. That area along the tree line provides adequate area for the inclusion of a roadway, an apron, and a sizable area for hangar construction. This area of the airport will also provide us with the ability to expand or to grow as time goes on that ramp edge along that older band and taxiway that extends to the north end. In greater detail you can see that the building there on the left in the picture is a Dean's deal. That road which provides access currently is a single road. We would expand that to a two lane road and it would turn to the north, which would follow it in parallel behind the expanded apron. So what we're really requesting is that the city and I think rather the council, and the mayor adopt the terms, the temporary allocation letter so that we can continue to provide resources to move forward with the development of Southwest Development Area. I'd be happy to take any questions again. How much revenue would the 22 new customers generate? It would definitely depend on the size of the aircraft that we would have in those hangers. The two companies rather that are interested in building hangers at the airport are operating a Gulfstream G450. They take on somewhere around the thousand to two thousand dollars for the fuel each time and move, it moves about twice a month. I'm sorry, twice a week. It just depends. The area would be open to provide companies that would like to come in and build hangers the opportunity to base there. We do have a couple of sizable companies that have also shown interest that I did not include in this, that utilize the airport regularly, and have asked about anger construction. They operate a global express, which is the largest aircraft that we can actually facilitate on the airport. So they'll build their own hangers? Correct. At the moment we're offering this sort of ground leases. There's the opportunity for the city to build its own. But this would be the fastest way that we could provide these customers with the ability to move in and build customers in anger with the, with the, we would sign them to a long-term ground lease. And then if they don't need them anymore, they then sell it or it comes into possession of the city or the city has to buy it from. That's correct. They have that option most likely in most of these cases, the hangers abandon in place and it becomes a property of the city after the term of the lease agreement. So this would be something similar to like what happened with the flowers building when we were able then to turn around and lease it back out, doing more revenue. Absolutely, and it's a way to put it in the fun. I remember correctly, now that we're getting the runway fixed, that's now we have the funds or GDOT is allowing us to move, because this has been playing for a while. If I'm right. This isn't just a new thing. The desire has been to have this for a long time, but now the money is available, or to me if I'm correct, from GDOT to allocate towards this initiative. Absolutely. It's very difficult to get any development phones from GDOT or the FAA. We use our bill funds to support the line of site project that we currently have and recognizing that and then we remove the trees at the end of the runway. The state stepped in and said yeah we will help you develop this area for future development and so they're offering us this opportunity to utilize these grant funds to build the same. It is already designed out fully, or as part of this, going to be to finish out the design and then get it built. Now, this is just for the construction. We'll come back to you with the design. As soon as we get the scope and fee from our engineering consultant at the airport. So how much is, we have to do a match with the city? Yes, man. Yes, man. Is that $625,000? Yes, man. So what the design and engineering being included in that 625? It would come later, since we get the scope and fee for the design. So I think what's also important is out there is I think that was back on Todd's question I know Miss Brown I know where you're going with this one so if we could get some type of return on investment so and I do know it was discussed too maybe potentially I know this was at the with the airport at the board meeting did they talk about staff time? Was that any option on this particular piece, you know, to offset the staff requirement, like, instead of hiring somebody out, we could do user-owned staff, and that would go against that. Like, we've done, do you know, are you familiar with that? Well, currently what we use, after we build this, is as the Hanger started to build, we would currently use our own our own staff. There's we have seven employees at the airport the airport's operational for 24 hours a day 365 days a year but what we do is we just split the staff and operate on the other side of the airport and that's right that would usually just be a minor requirement of pulling an airplane and fueling it and then our duties are essentially done on the staffing for. Towards that 625, are we able to offset that with the salaries of people working on it? I didn't know if that was a potential. You see where I'm going with that? In-kind services. In-kind services. I know there's a lot of behind that that was discussed, but there's a lot of parameters and specifics we had to adhere to with it being state funds. But we want to make sure, you know, with the airport, what was mentioned, you know, bringing in 22 more people, you know, if you operate a jet, do we have a ballpark profitability of a jet mid-size corporate jet that we know we could get 3, 4, 5 of in their per calendar year per say meaning you know the average profit being 50 or $100,000 per year on that particular account meaning if we invest the 625,000, that goes to getting the airport solidly in the black and we can get a return that we can calculate. If we could get a little bit more, just kind of average to that, we're able to say, okay, if we invest the 625, we're going to get returned 5 million or something along those lines. I think that would be, I'm very familiar with it but I know it's kind of, it's something that's complicated for other people who aren't very familiar with it. How long does it take us to make our 625,000? Yeah. What we can do is take a look at the operators that are currently on the field and base that revenue generation off of some of their movements. It's really going to depend on size of the aircraft and how often those aircraft move in those hangers. And so one of those hangers is a current tenant on the field. And so those numbers would be relatively available. And so we can determine exactly how much the revenue is going to be generated from there. The existing hangers will backfill with some of the 22 that's coming in new. So it just depends again the size of the aircraft and the amount of frequency of flying and their operation. I think those numbers are very important to consider. But there's also numbers where you can't pin your pin down right the value of brings to the industries who need that airport the extra infrastructure the value of those employees and spend in our communities and all that kind of roles are but you can't if he knows there's 22 coming in he knows there's a it's going to have to rent. Sure. Yeah. Those are hard ones. Yeah. Yeah. You should be able to present to all try to get some projects. Go Monday. What is going to be rented for? How much we're going to make there? And the other thing is that. A few calls you don't have me ties into coming out. But we should know how much we're going to make from just rent. From about a hundred by hundred foot square hangar, you're going to do about 4,000 just in rental costs out of a hanger. So if we built a hanger, that's what we typically charge for the hanger. For a ground lease it's going to be around 34 to 43%. Our cents per square foot per year is what a typical growl these is in the area. Now, that's just a fixed cost that we could see over the year. The actual fuel again would just depend on who we could base in these areas. But we can come up with those numbers for you, certainly from the activity that we currently see at the base of averages. Yeah, I mean, we do have a question. I know a few years ago the city was subsidizing the airport. We're not doing that as pan-port staff now. We used to subsidize. We still do. It's a small amount but yeah. So in quick numbers, Council, we can put somewhere between 100 and 150,000 square feet of hangar space over there. It does open industry. I think Mr. Chastain alluded to that, but in direct revenues for you. As those get developed, we're talking about 10, 12, maybe as inflation occurs, maybe 15 or 16 cents a square foot, that could be a hundred and fourty, hundred and fifty, even two hundred thousand years. Profit. In revenues. In revenue. So there are some other expenses that can with that. That could be additional employees. It has to be added as those hangers fill up. But yes, you're going to see it. And that does not include fuel. It does not include all the other peripheral revenue streams that come in through the city. Taxation, hotel, motel, other investment here in town. So there's a direct correlation some of the industries that he's mentioned to you already do that here and have grown significantly in our community. So industries are already here in Thomasville. A couple of them online. I guess I'm and all the hangers out there now are already ready. They're already there. They're packed waiting. Okay, and just we don't have no hangers. Because I would hate to have to for the city to be where we are not like we could put six hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in there. And then we don't get the money back because it's still subsidizing it. Right. Well, we have if you look at the track record of the airport going back 20 years, you will see that 25 years ago we were grateful to have anybody on the airport and we've gradually moved forward being whole and being in the black. With this, right now there is no other place on the airport other than very small pockets that put additional development. With this you will have an area where you can truly expand and put a lot more planes. Y'all do 12,000, I'll tell you the 500 movements. 12,000 movements a year. So I just take off the landings every year. We could see that number potentially double over the next 10 or 15 years. This is not going to happen overnight, but there is a demand. You have a waiting list of 22. That's correct. Okay. 22 people are currently waiting for hangar studies. So several of those that expressed an interest in building a hangar. Once we complete this development and y'all ask about the design of this, the design is fully funded. We have not brought that to you all because we thought this was going to be built in 2026. So it has been fast forwarded to 2025 because we've done a lot of cyclone. Thank you all very much, by the way. But because we've done that, this has been fast forwarded. So if you're going to kind of see this in reverse order, we've got to get this tentative allocation letter response back to them before the 1st of September into this month to affirm that we're pledging what we need to pledge to get this done. The design is fully reimbursable, but it's just that we spend the money then we get reimbursed with you. The way we do with much design work. Sorry to interrupt. I'm not really good at it. I'm not worth the mayor trying to figure out about this money. Mainly because we're spending money and may not even get it back, we're still having to subsidize. Why are we building? If we have to keep subsidizing that effort. You are definitely going to get it back. I just alluded to. But if we get it back, we don't have to subsidize it anymore, right? Well, you will be closer and closer and at some point you will surpass the expenses of the airport with the income of the airport. Yes. Yes some point. Yes it's some point. Now I can't I can't probably see that's a year from now, two years from now or six months from now. We may get flooded within Quires. If we lease out 10 hangers face you know if people been built 10 hangars that are 10,000 square feet of piece, we will be in the black. And I know a lot of those people are going to Motri now, not coming to us. And I do, from being on the airport committee four years ago, to get money from G dot is rare to get to do what we need today. Because we've been trying to get what we need today. We've been trying to get that money ever since. I was on that committee four years ago, six years ago. Sanger, you guys giving us some money. Hangers are not a priority. They look at safety concerns first. They know that they have discovered that hangers are the lifeblood. Because with storage capacity, then you can sell a few you can rent space with that income strain you can boast to that airport and put it in the life. And I think we put some things in place in the last two or three years with the fuel sale, the renegotiable mess with the hangers where they were getting I mean you could rent a hanger and you use it at a storage area cheaper than you could store in airplane. I mean, rent a storage unit here in downtown Thompson pitch furniture area. So now we've done some things with our hanger releases and fuel sales that we're actually moving forward. I've seen two hundred years coming in front of you where each of those least one for ten dollars every ten years and one for I think four hundred hundred dollars a year that now leads for in one case three thousand where it was zero per month, plus fuel's cost, and you see one that is leasing now for $400 and some odd dollars per month, where at least for 600 a year or 400 a year. So you will continue to see that, because the demand increases, and with the increased activity, you're going to continue to see that demand increase. And that might be a whole new recession. The purpose would be to move away. You're going to continue to see that demand increase. And that might be a whole new resuscitation. The purpose would be to move away. We do not need to subsidize the airport. That's right. The purpose would be to move away from that, so that we could actually kind of turn it the other way around. In a nutshell, which we're all more familiar than everyone else. But in a nutshell, if you build a 120 by 120 hanger, the appropriate size, and if you had a particular, a global express, say, come in there, one plane could profit the city approximately $150,000 a year, depending on the usage. So if you could get, as Mr. Harmon Harmon said if you could get two hangers We don't we won't be subsidizing the the airport any longer. I need to Potential customers we should be subsidizing not even in the beginning because that should take up for everything After we do and get our six hundred and twenty five thousand dollars back right and I know you know more about Air Force and I do, but I do know about trying to figure out how we can make a profit and not just give the companies like we have done before in years past, the opportunity to have these hangers and we pay for it. That was my thing. And that is something that I, you know, I still would not agree with because I don't think we should have done in the first place. If we're going to have an airport airport, it should pay for itself. That is reddit. It is people coming in. We should not have to subsidize an airport that other people are coming into. The city that have a plane. Correct. I don't foresee that we ever do. Not in my lifetime. Hold on. If we make enough money, can we get one? That was a joke. The smart privilege. Right. No, I think also something that's unique about our airport is we do have a large airport and we have a lot of infrastructure there that was left over back from the military days that I know we've had to do a lot of work on and we've had to do you know the lighting system per se you know things of that nature where we have the space to expand but if you make that expansion I think it's important for everybody here to be able to see that return on investment where we don't need to subsidize the airport, the airport needs to subsidize the city. So and I think we're there and as you know Mr. Petty and Mr. Harman said that we do have some more stuff coming that is fully funded but to get there you have to pass steps one through 250 and I will say the runway, this isn't Yardin Tuture on Horn there, the runway line of site project did come under budget by $700,000. So thank you all for y'all's hard work. I really do appreciate that. So I know it's a lot of it's gone in there. So, the state says no, you don't get it. We already tried. I mean, I was going to ask my own man, this is a $2.5 million project. So what happens if it comes in at $1.8? As far as I know, the state keeps the balance. But in our program, it's a pro-run, a share of 25%. So that's 625 go down Good. Yes. Yes. Or go up That is a possibility So so I know that when we get to the design part y'all see this again Remember that that is fully funded we do pay for it and we get reimbursed But that is fully funded and it's very involved. So, although it sounds like a big number, there are a number of surveys that they perform to do that. Just like they did with the line of side project, you know, it's wetland delineation, it's research on architectural facts and findings. It's all manner of surveys. That's because there are federal funds wrapped up in this even though it's coming through to you, Doc. We have an idea. I mean, if this gets approved and we're good with how the numbers look and that kind of stuff, that what's the timeline? I mean, I know the line of sight project took quite a while to get to where we're now getting done. This one, we just have to begin this process. Robert may know more than I do, but it's been discussed in on the drawing board for at least four years, five maybe. And I know that Stan Price and Fassero have been working and, you know, pushing forward doing this as our consultants. So I don't know how much they've done other than preliminary work, but they're eager to get started. They were very excited. I got a phone call the day before this letter came out as it heads up. I called Mr. White and before I could tell him he had already found out. So it was a very short and kept secret, but we're all excited about it. And I think it's going to make the difference between subsidization and being black. I really do. So it would be, essentially, one of the top projects to make happen up there. Yes, I think so. And I think it gives us an do. So it would be, essentially, be one of the top projects to make happen up there. Yes, I think so. And I think it gives us an opportunity. So it's people demand. And we may come back and say, okay, we've got to group people that want us to build a hang here because they want to lease and we may sell you that idea as well. But that we already know there are at least three that want to build their own hang. And so we're going to have the opportunity now to say, okay, for a fixed amount, rate per square foot, here's what you can do. We're also with the property behind there that can be developed. There may be an interest where somebody wants to use that property to develop and have access to the airport through a private gig. So there are lots of other things that this could spur that we don't know yet. Don't the PDA own 56 acres of it? That's what that's the piece I'm speaking about, yes. So they would, if different potential investors bought that or bought segments of it, they could develop with their own business and then fly in and out of their own private plane with almost immediate access. They couldn't have their own business and then fly in and out of their own private plane with almost immediate access. They couldn't have their business on the airport, hoping the airport would be a part of that, but they could have to engage immediate access. There are some securities concerned we've got to work out other than that. They could have access to flight and I know you're a good example of somebody that might enjoy that. Right. You've got to consider you've got to make money, though, right? That's right. Not make money, but at least not have to give it away. Right. And to me, that's what we do at the airport. We give it away. Well, thank you. Because there are too many people coming in there that we don't have a plane. They, I mean, they have planes. They should be paying for the airport. Well, I will say that thanks to the early investment in the airport and the belief in that, we have grown several industries that would not have developed here previously. And I'll use one that's no longer with the Sunniland. They were one of the first ones I recall being on the airport when there was nobody out there and they had two prop planes and they used those. Had we not had that, I'm not sure something like what if state here? They may have moved to another location where they had that access. Flowers was the same way. So, you know, I'm really grateful to the people that had the vision to do it. I'm also grateful to the businesses that were committed to state here and steel state here. And we have more businesses like that that are up-coming now. So I think there's a lot more growth potential there. You can see if you look back, where we started, to where we are now, we subsidized it fully. We got what few dollars we could from the feds in the state, and we have subsidized it, but that subsidy has gotten smaller and smaller as a percentage of the time. And I think it actually would agree with me on that. Any other questions? I know if it was a bad deal, Ashley would have. That would have been cut before it even got to that. Right. And I know. Like we did have waffle shop, there are four or five planes, but now they have left and went to the shuttle. So where are they? Oh, waffle house. They still own a sort of plantation here, and they come in regularly, and they do retreats here. So they continue to utilize the airport. So but a number of corporations that are in existence here that do own airplanes operate them for business purposes. And it is, it's like loads in railways. It is another mode of transportation that brings businesses to the city of Thomasville. And some of the companies that come in here request that part of their requirements is that they have access to an airport. So it is a very final part of an emergency. For another example, let's say that Waffle House plain lands here, which I see it land here quite often. What would be a typical fee they are charged when they land? We have a ramp fee, we don't have a landing fee and that discourages traffic from coming into the airport. But if they're a ramp fee they can they pay $300 to keep the airplane daily. So basically when they land they pay $300. They can weigh the first night though with fuel purchase. But then after that, energy occurs to sell more fuel to them. So basically the more touches you have, about 12,000 a year, the more touches you have, the more revenue. And so the more the more amenities you have, the more money you can make essentially. Exactly. And the larger the aircraft, the higher the ramp fee. Thank you, Muff. Thank you all. Thank you. All right. We do have a few staff reports. First up is our budget process from our CFO, actually, case. Chris, first. We're going to need to add on our agenda day Okay, the city manager So all right, thank you so about that all right actually update on the budget process All right Good Ashley, update on the budget process. All right. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. So today I will be discussing the city's budget process. First I'll start with the budget schedule and just highlight some of the key dates. I'll review the departmental request and what that looks like for the departments. I'll talk about some budget tasks that must be completed before we can adopt the budget, balance in the budget, and then presenting it, and then budget compliance. So we'll start with the schedule. Now be mindful that this schedule is more internal, it's more for dates for the departments. And but the very first date is the council meeting where you all adopted the budget calendar. That was the first meeting in June. It's a very high level calendar, but it did set some important dates for like public input, things like that. But in June, I am constructing the schedule high level calendar, but it did set some important dates for like public input, things like that. But in June, I am constructing the schedule for the budget year. Stars with the budget kickoff meeting. So July 8th, we had a kickoff meeting for all the different departments, the city manager and myself, and Cheryl was there. The city manager delivered a message to the department to set the tone to talk about what he expected during the budget. Some of the things he touched on was things like keep your budget lean. We don't want to increase positions. We want to net zero. So if we add a couple of positions, we may be taking away a couple of vacancy positions. So that was discussed at the budget meeting. So it's just a set that's home as to what he expects. We also talked about some key due dates for the departments at that meeting. The first one was for performance measures. So performance measures, this is a new feature that we added to the budget last year and this is for every department. So in addition to just having a department's purpose and their functions and the objectives and what they are to do, we thought it was important to show some of the key performance measures, some of the work that they perform, to match those dollars with work performed, just to give you a better picture of the department. So, Ashley, when you do performance measure, do you do quality? Is that, is one of those, will those be quality? Just not the work that you perform, do you do quality? Is that as one of those, will those be quality? Just not the work they perform but the quality? Yes, so there's a lot of different measures for each department. So it could be satisfaction and customer service in certain areas. It could be number of work orders or how much tonage we picked up in the software. It's just different depending on the department. Yes. So they are quantitative and qualitative in nature. First, now the request was due about two weeks ago. And then we had operating in capital requests. That is due September 6. So the system that allows the departments to enter their budgets, that was open to them starting last Friday. So they can start entering their budgets last Friday. Right and fees are due September 13th. Now that information does need to be included in their operating budget but we actually request that they update and schedule by September 13th so we can have that available in the budget. There are departmental meetings September 23rd to October 12th so that is when Chris wide share I'll see them myself meet with every single department and talk about their request. Then there's executive staff meetings. They are we're talking about personnel, we're talking about capital projects, and we're also meeting with the different departments if we need to, we'll reach out to them, get additional information and then we then work into balance the budget. And then lastly, we present that budget to the council in November. That is the proposed budget. Before they end, we do try to meet with you all 101 to get some input before we have that meeting, which we will do again this year. But again, this is just more of an internal schedule that we have. So that's the schedule. Moving on to the department on request. So first, again, we request personnel information. So any new positions that a department want, they have to request that. If they want to be a part of the HR intern program, they have to request that for their department. Any type of reclassifications for positions that is requested, which means if I have a vacant position for an account and I want to reclassify that to an auditor, I have to request that. And promotion. What is it from who, the City Manager? City Manager, HR, there's like a executive staff who makes those decisions through a budget. And in any promotions, we also put that in as a request. And so there are forms that we have to complete, the personnel change forms. We have to provide justification. We have to say how we fund and it's, where are the savings with that? So why do we need it? If it's a new position, typically we have to fill out another job assessment tool forms about 2700 pages. She's not exactly that. But it is a lot of pages so we have to submit that to HR so they can look at the position, look at the job description and kind of categorize it which what grade does that position belong to? How much should they be getting paid for that position? So there's a long process just to add a new position. So you have to provide a lot of documentation and fill out a lot of paperwork. However, these forms are paperless. So shout out to our team for that. But these are the forms that have to be requested. And again, these were due about two weeks ago. So departments, if you have not submitted that, you will not get new positions just so you know. Then there's the operating and capital request. So we do request that the department's submit the current year projections shown as where they expect in the year. And then for the new budget year, they have to provide those projections. They have to request operating expenses that are justified and documented. And then their capital requests have to be prioritized. So this year, and I know you can probably barely see it. This year is the budget entry software system that we use to enter our budgets. You'll notice that there's a budget line for every line item and every account. So they have to start with every account to apply budget. They have about three weeks to submit their budget. So you'll see there is a due date as someone is due. On that due date, the system locks them out. It cannot access the system. So they do have to put that information in before that date. You'll see here that the projected and the next year budget is at zero is up to them to build those numbers and to provide documentation as to why. There are also given information on prior years and they're also given the year-to-day actuals. This is real-time information, and so it updates as you go. And I know there's a long for every account, but each account can be broken into more detailed level. So there are details to each account. So this here is an example. This is detailed lines from one travel account. For travel accounts and certain other accounts like capital, we don't require details. We're not allowed to enter anything else unless it's detailed information. They also can provide projection notes. So any additional notes or historical data that they like first to have to submit that information. They also have the ability to add attachments, quotes, contracts, any information that we'll justify their request, they have the options to provide it. And I strongly recommend it. For capital, they do have to prioritize their request. So this is just a snippet of a capital request. You'll see it was cut during one of the executive management meetings, but in the highlight of circle, they prioritize it as number two. And so they have to prioritize their request. And then for capital projects we do require a project request worksheet. This worksheet requires justification, different departments that require to collaborate, detailed budget, operating and maintenance plans. And this is a two page document, if not more. But this is just a snippet of one of the pages. Again, it usually brings different departments together to collaborate and fill this form out. But it must be submitted with their capital project request. And we use this information to help prioritize. So as you can see, there's a lot of justification and documents and data that we request, which is needed to help us prioritize the request in the budget. So while the departments are working through that for about three weeks, there are other tasks that have to be completed. One is revenue forecast. So I forecast the revenue for all of the departments but then also the other departments do their own a week in payer. So that's important. I forecast the General Fund revenues out for five years. I try to consider what grant funding we have. I think about rate increases. I have to know what it looks like with or without those rates. That schedule I have to consider the debt that we have and if we can manage to take out more fun balance and that position. This is important because it's to be what we have available to spend in right now and I'll go on some more details about that. Cash flow. This is tricky what we have available to spend right now. And I'll go into more details about that. Cash flow, this is tricky when we have small dollars, we wanna make sure that we're not doing the project all at once, cause a lot of these grants are reimbursing, so we have to spend money before we get it back. So that's something I would get. Share calls, there's some calls that we share across the different departments that I have to update. Citywide. IT and Fleet recommendations. So IT, they go around and look at the software and the computers and make sure they're updated and upgraded. And have warranty so they go around and update that citywide. Same thing with Fleet, they do recommendations. Citywide work the the V HOOPS and Equipment. Their Internal Service Department allocations they have to be updated so each internal service phone is allocated and paid by other departments so that has to be updated each year. There's salary projections so this is done in partnership with HR, so depending on if there's a merit increase, the cost of living, the timing of those things is important and that all has to be projected and budgeted. And then we have to update the benefit options because those impact the employee and they also impact the budget across the board. So, you know we offer paid medical insurance premiums for all of our employees. We also offer paid basic life insurance for all of our employees. This is a benefit that we love to offer, but we have to consider Ken, Mr. LaFoura every year. So we weigh those options. We talk about the ductables and see where we can make those changes to have savings. So those are the types of things that we have to discuss and go through during budget. The next thing we do is balance the budget, which is the front part, I think. But balance in the budget just means you just want your revenues to equal your expenses. It's okay to have the revenues be more than your expenses, but by all means you want your revenues to equal your expenses. It's okay to have the revenues be more than your expenses, but by all means you want your revenues to equal your expenses. And that is a requirement for all governmental phones. So when you hear us talk about balancing the budget, we're talking about governmental phones, especially the general phone. So I do want to go through some of the process of what it looks like to balance the budget. The first step to do that is to know the revenues we have to work with. So there's three types of funding for the most part. It's taxes, grants, and donations, and user fees. So taxes is more of the governmental funds. You'll see they have more of that. Whereas the user fees are more enterprise funds, more utilities, more airport. You charge them for using it. And so depending on what I'm trying to balance, depends on what funding sources I need to look at. So we are going to go through an example and try to balance the general fund. And again this will just be an example so they will not be real dollars not reflect our actual budget. So the example here is we're going to balance the general fund and these buckets here are all the different governmental revenues that we have from the city. You'll notice the top row is all the taxes because it's governmental so it's more of that color. Then you have some grants and you have ARPA which is grant funding and user fees. And in transfers from electric is derived from user fees but I added this here because that is important for general fun. So when balancing the general fun, I have to identify which of these funding sources are general fun related only. Do any of you know which of these funding sources are not used to balance the budget for general fun? Hey, you want to know which of these buckets is not used to help the top of the anybody you can pick one. The ARPA. Okay. Or grants. Grants. Do we don't know what we will be? Anybody else have a guess? We know it's not transfer from electric. It is transfer from electric. So we're trying to identify the ones that are used to balance the general fund. News or fees? News or phases? We'll get one. So, splosks. Splosks is just used for capital projects. It is not used to balance the general fund budget. So even though we have millions of dollars for splosks, we cannot use it to balance the general fund budget. So even though we have millions of dollars for a spouse, we cannot use it to balance the general fund. So that bucket is not available to me. Hotel Maltel Tax. The way that is allocated at this time, that it goes to the events in the fund and tourism. The DTTA Authority. So we can't use that neither. ARPA, it can be used as a revenue replacement tar journal fund, but it's a one-time funding source, so I do not recommend that we use that to balance operations. And we already have that committed to water and sewer, so that's not available to us. The loss, which is the local option sales tax, that one is a sales tax is debied out already and allocated to several different locations. So we use that to help bond parks and recreation. We also use that for economic development, which is PDA, and it would keep some in the general fund. So that particular bucket actually looks like that. It's a little bit smaller. The grants we don't typically receive that much of grants in the general fun. So it looks like that. And in the user fees, that's more of an enterprise name. But we do have some of those. So it looks more like this. So again, the first step to bouncing the budget for the general fun is to truly identify what revenue sources we have to start with. Okay? So, in this example, let's say we're left with this for revenues, which total 5 million in general fund revenues. Okay? The departments, they enter their request, they come in, and they total 9 million. Yeah. So that's where the work begins. It's the fun part where we try to balance the revenues with the expenses. They do need to equal. And so what are the steps to get there? Well obviously the very first step is to reduce expenses, right? We start making cuts. And I think that's the fun part in some cases. No, it really isn't. So in this example, I'll make some cuts to some buckets. It's just, I don't, I'll make a cuts to public safety. We're going to take that from 3 million to 1. So now we have 10 police officers, okay? And this is just theoretical. I want to take the public works department. I'm going to drop that down to about 500,000. So our streets are not as nice as we're used to having them. However, we have cut those expenses to 6.5. So another option that we can take, which again usually we're sticking to cutting the expenses, another option to take is to increase our revenues. So a new revenue source does look like property taxes, that's a consistent revenue source. We can increase our transfer from electric. And then lastly because we're a little shy about 6.25 in revenues we can pull from fund balance. So fund balance is all of the dollars and the money we had that we saved last year in a year's prior. So we don't spend everything that we budget it in our revenues exceeded our expenses and we have savings it goes into fund balance and we can use those dollars to help balance this year's budget. Okay so when you ask about what happens to the money it sits here in fund balance and we can use it and pull from it if we absolutely need to. So with that, it does change the balance to 6.5. And that's the process. This is a very, very, very high level just example of what to do and how to balance the general bond. Again, the decisions made here is far greater than just changing a box and a number. Make these cuts means that we're making cuts to positions, people's pay, their supplies, benefits, services. So it depends on, you know, it's very difficult decisions to make certain cuts. So it's really important that they provide justifications. And how we prioritize what to cut and what not to. Primarily, the very first thing, first and foremost, is your vision in your initiatives and what you want to see. You're hearing from the public. It's so whatever is important to the community is what we'll keep in this budget. So that's first and foremost, having prioritized what we keep in the budget and what we do. Overall, the financial health is important. We're not gonna make a decision if we're out of financial health at X-MNN in jeopardy. We also weigh the essential versus non-essential. It is an experience that's gonna make sure we have clean water, that's probably gonna be a priority every time over something else that's not. We consider whether revenues are one-time revenue or ongoing revenues. So one-time revenue like ARPA or the sale of GPW, we can't sustain and balance the budget every year based on that. So we have to make decisions based on that. I'm going maintenance, we decide if a project is going to require extensive ongoing maintenance that may get cut. And then we just look at different cost efficiencies in those who have supported documentation to help us decide whether we'll make cuts or not. And again, there's also qualitative factors, economic development factors. There's a lot of different things that weigh in to make an easy decision. So again, it's not an easy task, but we do do it each year to make sure that we have a balanced budget, which is required. Any questions about the balancing of the budget? Glad we got you. I do have one, though. OK. OK, let's see. Did we not get any benefit from the Infrastructure Act for the City of Thomasville? Not Harper, but for the plan for infrastructure. Is there a specific name or anything else? Mm-hmm, you know that, you know they did it. I know we've applied for several different and we've did your related grants. Not the Congressional Directed Spending Grants. Yes, we've applied for several of those. We have not received the dollars yet, but I believe we've been approved for a couple of grants, but haven't received there's money yet. Just a couple of grants. I want that on that front yes but they were pretty big projects. I can get this dollar amounts for you. And the other thing with the budget let's say the the 625 where that comes from. The 625 where you see? With airport. No, with airport. If the airport doesn't have any air fund balance, then it will come from a different department who can afford to transfer money to the airport to have cover it. Which department or phone you think will get it from. So, I'm going back. There you go. There it from. So I'm going to do it. There you go. I'm going to do it. Well, I mean, think about what we've talked about before, the landfill with all of the improvements we needed out there. It was electric at paid for it. So that's an example of what. I mean, it's not generally that bad. It's just about, I think. Well, you'll, you, at some point, you'll you it's a boy that's playing in the payback. Yeah, I mean what we just talked about with the airport at some point Hopefully you recoup that cost and then hopefully the hope is that you get these other areas that That generate enough fun that they can start transferring over And we can do a transfer you can also do internal loans with the airport Like we can give them the money and have them pay it back to over time. So we can also have them do that option. If they're paying back over time, then we're not subsidizing them because we're subsidizing them they can't pay anything. Exactly. I mean you know that's what I see there but that's just the example I wanted to ask about infrastructure money and because I know opera is a lot of it used for infrastructure and I'm just trying to figure out why we did that instead of using that money from the act from the play-in with the federal government with the infrastructure. I didn't understand that part but I'll talk to you about that later. And part of Ashley going through all of this while it's a lot of it was the internal side. It's to show you how what you all the direction you all give, how it's interpreted back in the work that goes on with staff so that when you do get the budget later this year, when we do have those one-on-one meetings that you know that that input has been worked on back at the staff level and how much is involved. It's not just, I think I need a new admin assistant that they've really had to plead their case and it's meant something. So Ashley, do you do this every year because I know I have not seen it before. Not this detail. I'm not saying there's presentations now. This is the post. Oh, presentation is different. The work's the same. Yes, I know the work is the same, but you know, I've never, you know, thank you. So presenting the budget, we do have that proposed budget meeting. It's November 12th. I believe it falls on a Tuesday this year. And so again, this is just like we do each year. We'll provide you with an overview whether there's rate changes and property taxis or any major initiatives, new positions, and then we'll show you the capital and operating budget prior year versus proposed budget. And it's a very high level budget. Y'all've seen the presentation. It's just so much information, so many accounts, so much detail that is really difficult to put in weeks and months' work work into a couple hours. But that is the first opportunity to the public. Again, as Cheryl touched on, we usually meet with you all one on one before the end to get your input. So in case there's anything you want to see or change, you can provide that to us. We'll also have the proposed budget book to available online November 18th, which will be a week later. And we'll also do presentations at the public hearing and at the workshop. So in years past we did the public hearing and we had the workshop but we did not redo the presentation. We'll offer that again at each of those meetings to give the citizens the opportunity to hear that again. For you. And then lastly, it's just the budget compliance. Just to make a note that the monitor and the budget may consider that each department stays well within the budget. They're on top of it. I don't have to do much, but we all take apart and make sure they stay within their budget. This is our own going process something they do all throughout the year. We meet with the departments throughout the year to make sure that everything's being accounted for. Make sure they're within budget but it's something they work on all year long and they just monitor the budgets until this budget's home again and repeat the cycle. So it never stops. Any questions about the budget process? You let us know when you do a pop quiz again, please. I'm excited. From over here, you did a great job. You did a great job. So if someone doesn't use all of the budget and you don't have to transfer it out to somebody else, where does that money end at that year and you have to start over with the new budget next year? With that department or whatever. They do have to request a new budget every year. So they have to prove and justify their budget request. So they don't hold, you don't keep that money saying like, I have 300,000 now left. Start from zero. You start back from zero. But you keep the cash from savings you have if you have actual savings and money but you have to start from zero. So you can't start at $315. No. If you save $300,000, you know, in 2024 doesn't mean you get to spend that, you know, finally a home for that 2025. Unless it's your mark, unless it's your mark. I could miss for capital and something that didn't. He was ordered and didn't wasn't received in this year and it rolls over into the next area. That would be carried over into the next budget, but it's already been allocated. If you get savings, you get an out of boy and start over. That's okay. What if you can have dollars that does stay within your fund balance? So you do keep that. If it's their savings, essentially, for most departments, it just means that what we budget from the electric for the transfer ends up being less if we ended up not spending everything. Thank you, Ashley. Thank you. Thank you. You made an audience wants to get the door or go stay because we have another presentation. It's not being rude to us. I see y'all looking around. That's right. Thank y'all for coming. Thank you. Thank you. We got Shane. You're welcome. Come back. You want us to wait on you. You are for coming. Thank you. And we got Shane. You're gonna come back. I can give you a second. You want us to wait on you? You all for coming. It's almost like. Thank you. Yeah. We got Shane Harris, you go to a presentation on the flock system for 2024. So kind of some updates and review of that system. Come on in, Shane. Made your hair. We brought it back up. I did. Did you want me to wait for a while? I'm going to go ahead. All right. Good evening, Mary and Councilor. I was asked to do a presentation for the flop system since we've had it for a year. We now have a year's worth of data. And I also brought a detective kniper and detective powers with me since the detective vision does use the flock system a lot in their investigation. So I brought them as well if there was questions. So starting forward, fighting crime with technology, and that's what we do with the flock system. So integrating tools like live streaming cameras, license plate reading cameras, gunshot detection systems, drones and other technology we have allows law enforcement to do something that hasn't been possible in the past and that is extremely precise. Law enforcement agencies throughout the nation and around the world are increasingly adopting the automated licensing recognition systems to enhance their collection of relevant data and expedite the tedious and time-consuming process of comparing vehicle license plates with the list of stolen, wanted, or other vehicles of interest. So what I have next is just the and you've seen it before that this is our transparency portal or our page on our crown watch and it just tells citizens it gives them the ability to see what we use the flock system for and what we don't use it for. And most of what we use it for, what's the technique is you'll see as licensed plate on vehicles and what's not, we don't use it to gather information and sell that to any vendor that is private information. So this is, I put this PowerPoint together together in May and I used this, this is showing a dashboard it shows up at the very top there, two million vehicles during that month came through those cameras and out of that the police department did 450 searches out of those two million cars and the police department was alerted 37,000 times to vehicles that you know whether a host of things it came back through the GCIC, the Georgia Crime Information Center comes back through a hot list that there was something either wrong with a car or the driver or whatnot. Could be expired tax, then the drivelines could be somebody that was wounded or anything like that. But we were notified 37,000 times. What's the... What's the... Sorry, what's the... The 450 or searches that we did out of, for whatever reason during that month. It could be we're looking for investigating the crime. We notified that there was a red car that was involved in it. Go inside and do that. Or we may use it for drug searches. We know that we have a drug career or we're looking for somebody or we're doing it through the trouble for whatever reason. We got a call to a drive-by shooting and Whatever so it's just those 400-thits times we did a search And the hot list is So hot the hot list is so if you have expired time you don't pay for your time Well then the that's entered into GCI to the Georgia Crime Information Center. So anytime that car goes through a lot of that camera, that ill-beard camera, it'll alert us. And some of these could be misleading, so I've had 37,000, it could be that person with that expired tag on their way to work every day they pass that same camera so it's getting hit multiple times as it goes through but there was 37,000 here. That is the same thing with that. Right, we may stop, we do stop cars. When you see them. Yeah, based on it, so officers riding around and this is always going, this system is always going in the background of their modal, that terminal and if they get that alert then they'll see where that card is at and they can make the traffic storm. So, a flock hits this is January through June. through of Jim there again those expired tags we just talked about we were alerted 1,164,000 times only expired tags we were alerted 25,000 times on somebody to have suspended driver license 706 times to a sex offender whether that's registered or not. Stolen vehicle 38 And there again, that's kind of misleading, not saying that we had 389 stolen cars, but we, and they can talk to it later, but we may have a stolen car throughout the day go through several cameras. We had that a couple of months back, we were notified of a stolen car officer start converging on an area where that car was last seen it not to hit on another camera So that that will drive that number up Um, and then stolen plates 307 Um, so I like a custom hot list That is generally something that we generate that we're looking for somebody or looking for a car So we'll enter that into the system. So say if we have a drive-by shooting, and I know that it was a red car, and it had a sticker in the back window. I'll put that in the system as a red car with a sticker in the back window. So now that system will start looking for every red car that goes through this area, whether it's two door or four door, whatever I put in, that has a sticker. So that's a way that we may do a custom hot list, telling it of looking for something specific. 70 protection orders, 64 people with warrants, gain or suspect a terrorist, 29, the extreme risk of protection orders one, and then missing persons won. So some of the success that we had for May, this was actually published in the FLOAT website. So during this month we cleared 53 cases that could be either traffic or it could be through criminal warrants or whatnot We recovered $10,000 worth of property and we recovered five stolen vehicles with the flawed system So continuing with May we made 101 traffic stops based on the flock system. Out of that, we either issued or arrested 42 people or wrote 42 citations in the rest of 11 people out of that 101 stops. Investigations that that spurred was one. So off to the other side, those are the cameras. I thought that would be relevant if you wanted to see that. It shows the intersections with the most stops that occurred. So Jackson and Hansel Street, there was 26 alerts out of that camera. So a lot of, so if I'm doing a deep act, if I'm doing, which is interdiction through tripping, looking for criminal behavior, that would be one area that police officer wouldn't need to be because there is, whether it's their warrants or tripping or not, but there's a lot of indicators or hits coming out for those campers. And then you'll see Smith Avenue of Pine Tree, there's 14 lot of indicators or hits coming out for those cameras. And then you'll see Smith Avenue of Pine Tree, there's 14, and going all the way down to MLK and Clay. So how are those trying? I mean, because I'm assuming most of these people are driving around, so you're using the closest camera to where that person was actually stopped? Or that was like the camera that... So there is a camera there at Jackson the Rancel. So it's telling me that out of that camera and during that month there was 26 hits off of that camera where we make a stop. Okay. So you, the cars have that information coming into them then? Or is this just at PD? No, so the police cars have them. So in the background of their mobile data terminal, the computer in the car, the flock system, that software that's tied to either the Raven or the Falcon, is tied to that. So whenever there's an alert based on that, it identifies the officer in the car. So if he's sitting there and there's a missing person that comes through, they'll tell him, you know, this car, and it shows what the alert is. It'll show a picture of the car, a tag on the car. You'll see which direction it's going, and it'll tell you what the alert is for. Can't the officer fix his computer to like, okay, alert me for this or that. He don't have to have all of it. Yeah, no. So that's the way I have mine configured in my office. I don't want to hear about the fire takes, spin it, rivalize something like that. I want to be notified about if somebody has a warrant. There is a spectritorious or something like that. There's some of those higher alerts. That's the way I have mine. So an officer to configure that anyway they want, it's just checking the box, removing what you don't want to say. I know the officer spoke to our neighborhood watch thing. He said, Fourth of July, he had to shut his down because it was a record, clicking so much of the, all the different cars coming by the camera system would expire tags and this and then he was trying to work traffic. He had to turn his computer off because he wanted to run out. I had a modified mind because if I step out of my office, Mimi says it's just on the other side and she got aggravated with me because my computer kept dingin because of all of these alerts. I just went back and just put the most important ones on there. So now we're just moving forward and now this is still with a file. This is dealing strictly with the LPR camera's not the gun shots. So this will be from January to December. But what I did is I just went in and took some of the important things that we've done with the flop so that you can kind of see what we're doing month by month and over the year, what kind of cases that we have made. And so at the top, you'll just see there's a narcotic investigation that developed and there was two arrests. And I put that in there because a lot of times that flock system would give us some information that we're looking for to help us either with a search warrant or a arrest warrant or something like that. Then we had aggravated assault where there was a gunshot and there was one arrest. If you all want to pack them, you don't get the notice if you know more biology or can talk about it. That would be fine. And then you'll see some of the, also the, like a suspended tag on the next. But the thing to remember about this is through traffic is where we find a lot of criminal behavior. So through traffic, which is called D-Dack, it's using traffic control or using traffic stops in those high-volume areas, like those four lane roads, like Jackson Street, because that's a core door that goes to our neighborhoods. So you'll see a lot of officers, a lot of time, working that traffic because not only are they educating the public and getting the safety Part of it, but they're also having the ability to look past that traffic stop and in this case here They found somebody in the car that also had worn out of Thomas County was able to serve that because they stopped somebody with a spin attack Then the no insurance spinner register a scry's spin alliances, unless a drive expired tag. So that's what they did in January with it. And then continuing expired tag, they got possession of marijuana, drug-related objects. And then they got an expired tag, one more out of chat to earth Georgia. Is this the one that they had all of the murder suspect? Is it later in the year? So moving to February again, narcotics investigation developed search warrant, intel led to two more arrests. Then we also had a warrant for failure for a registered sex offender. Because sex offender has to register in the county every year or if they move. Then gunshot detection, the suspect was arrested, and then expired to Agnew Insurance and then again the possession of marijuana. March investigation developed two more arrests through narcotics. Forgery warrants out of the near can, based on the flock system. Shot lift and suspect tracked, identified and arrested. So what's important moving forward is even Loes department store, home, home, home, home, the improvement store Loes. They decided that they wanted flock. Now if you drive through the parking lot, you'll see that there's five flock cameras outside in their parking lot. We were notified the day that Loes was willing to give us the ability to use their cameras as well for law enforcement purposes. And then you also see expired registration as suspended license. So there's a lot of traffic that we use that comes out of the flock system as well, but those usually stay away in the something else. Spinal license registration, no insurance again. There's another one down here, a possession of a scheduled one narcotic, probably cocaine that was as a result of the flock system. Again in April, Arkady investigation developed one more arrest based on that. A burglary suspect was identified and arrested later on. And then a hit and run driver was identified. How many times we have an accident where one of the parties involved an accident will drive off and leave the other party there calling to hit and run. Like I said earlier, if we can get a baseline of what a car is, if it's a two door or four door or truck, SUV, whether it's got a rack on it, what color it is, what's the obvious about it. We could put all those details into that flock system. And since it's AI, it begins to look at those different characteristics that we put in and help us identify what we're looking for. In May, again, we had an narcotic investigation where three more people were arrested, stolen vehicle, that's an open investigation. We ever found that one? Is that the vein? The church votes? The vein we found in all the dismantled, but there was it was never showed up again. It's like your station. And then every once in a while we'll have a stolen vehicle or it was classified as stolen, it turns out it's repossessed. We find it on the back of a record or being towed by the repossession guy coming through the flock system. So we're able to help clear out that. That happens a lot. There's a lot of investigations that we have for our stolen vehicles. When I come in the morning, I look and stolen big. The first thing I did was go into the flock system and look and see where that vehicle may have last hit. A lot of times it would be on the back of a record. And the victim doesn't know where her vehicle, or their vehicle is. And we have one particular token of reposition company out of old, any that comes down. They're supposed to let us know, but they don't, that company never lets us know whenever they come down in tow, you think. So we have no idea when they've ever been in town in of Toget anything. The victim has no idea because they don't find out until months later as well sometimes. And we're able to not put those man hours into that because we can look, the vehicle's on back for records. We get the tag number off the record and run that. Find out what company it was, contact them. There like no, that we've got your vehicle so we're able to contact the victim. That's one of those, I actually have to be with you within a few hours. So we're able to clear a crime that didn't happen. So then, and then continuing in May, stolen vehicle, we found somebody that was in that car was tracking, tracking method, met the vetamine at four and.5 ounces. There was a one in person times three and I think that's the one we talked about earlier. The assistant guy wanted for Agifal to murder or something. No, that's the old one. That's the old one. All right. Agrived assault burglary at home invasion robbery. All of that cleared off of the flat camera system because that vehicle went through that camera. It's all that the tag on it was stolen and notified the Timesville Police Department. And we were able to converge on that and get those people off the safe streets. And one good point in that particular case right there is that these people they weren't affiliated with anybody at Timesville. They're from a different they're from a different jurisdiction. They committed these offenses with exception to possession of the method that I mean but they were wanted for to aggravate assault, the burglary and the home invasion out of a county east of us. What they were doing in Thomasville this day we don't know but if they're involved in that type of stuff, we might have, right there, that have prevented that type of crime interfering over here. If they're willing to break into someone's house with guns and hold people at gunpoint and rob them in another jurisdiction, they already know they're wanted. What are they doing at Thomasville? But fortunately with the flock system, they hid, told us that they were wanted individuals. We conducted the traffic stop, our patrol division did, they had told us that they wanted individuals. We conducted the traffic stop. Our patrol division did recover four and a half ounces of met with that. And the rest of them had recovered the gun that was actually used in the robbery for the other jurisdictions as well. Anything that just continues? Suspitalized, snow in the insurance, another stolen vehicle, suspended tags or registrations, fleeting and alluding. So if we get behind a car, because nobody, we know the importance of when we can chase and when we can't, we don't want to jeopardize the safety of everybody in Thomasville just to chase a car. So we have good policy when we do that. But if I'm able to, or the officer's able to get the car tied at the time that the person flees, let that car go. And then later on, we'll try to apprehend that person. And this is what the Flock system did. However long it was later in time, the guy thinks that he got away, he's not going to be called, but now he's being stopped again, probably thinks that we don't know that this was a car that fled from us and we're able to make that arrest where he's not fleeing and causing danger to society. And then we cleared another mis. Meadow worn out of Chris County in June. May and June we cleared the burdenaries for the county as well. In the city we had a lot of break ins for our convenience stores. We had about four or five break ins from Thomasville, out into the county from Boston, KRO, and we were able to narrow down the suspect using the flock with that. He was doing it at the same time, every night, around the same time, within a two hour window and it went on for a week or two. And so we used the flock to pull generator report. Everybody that was driving within that certain time frame of three flock of five-fuck in the morning. And everybody that popped up there one time during that time frame, we started to exclude those to the point where there was one individual that was coming through erratic times and ended up getting a tip that there was a light on a light camera. So we plugged that into, we plugged all that into an Excel sheet and looked for that light camera and found that light camera and found out the time where it was driving through those days and ended up matching that person in white canry up to those crimes using the flock. And that was the thing that really sealed the deal as that was the one who was doing it. We brought them in and they bested all of them and everything. But that was how we got them to do the flock. I think you have one more more story. We also had a series of complaints around the downtown area in a time that was about a mail in a specific vehicle. Didn't have a tag number, but it was a vehicle that was had a lot of rust on it. That's all there was description. The description of the vehicle was that this individual was right around exposing himself to several victims. Important ones. Important ones. And on the street. This individual was right around exposing himself to several big cars. Important ones. Important ones to hand on the street. One was right here, two blocks from us right at the stop sign. Driver pulls up, looks over, and he's exposing himself. Well, we get the description of the vehicle. So we entered that into the flock. We had just the same situation like the major described earlier, like the sticker. But we were looking for rust spots. And it's just so happens we found a PD cruiser with rust spots in the area, hit on our flock cameras. We were able to obtain the tag number from that, that in turn it led to a suspect, identify that suspect. Later on the investigation we're able to use that information and positive, identify him as the one that was exposed to himself in multiple situations and we arrested him on that. So it's a very good investigative tool to identify these people victimizing our citizens. The last custom pot list search that I put into the flock system was for a kidnap child. Child that we had kidnap from here, they left town towards Dallas, they were tracked that with the flock system that they were leaving town and ended up finding them in Tallahassee. We contacted them, they were looking on their flock cameras that they had down there, we communicated throughout the night and ended up locating the vehicle at one of the hotel's based off we were in good directions on which way and we ended up in a good place on the flock and we were in good way back that time before the sun rise. That was the last one that I was the last one I personally put you. So this is the Falcon Hoover view, the LPR. So what's important, I pulled up a while ago on the flock system, there's 264 agencies in the state of Georgia that have the flock system. So there's a lot of pain, there's a lot of people moving towards that. Just last week, I was notified by chief counsel buried in motry. They're thinking about getting the flock system, was asking me about some of our successes. in motry. They're thinking about getting the flock system was asking me about, you know, some of our successes. How was that implementation of that technology and whatnot? So I think motry is about to move in that as well. Even Coolidge, Georgia, right now has two flock camera systems within their jurisdiction. So moving now we're going into what the raven, the gunshot detection, and I just broke that down for that six months. So you can see, like in January, there's 33 fireworks that we were notified of 26 gunshots and then 85 multiple shots. So the system does tell a difference between a firework, a single gun shot, and multiple gun shots. Out of that, so from that point of time, from January to June, we've had 474 fireworks that we were notified about 130 single gun shots and 235 multiple gun shots, different incidents throughout that time period. We've had the opportunity with the Raven on several occasions to make an arrest where that person was firing a gun. And the recovery of evidence as well to cooperate our investigations. One particular case, raven, notifies our patrol division at a particular location on a street and it's still a, it hasn't been adjudicated so I'm going to leave names and badrasses and all off. It told us where are these gunshots we're at, opposite route work. It happened to be a couple blocks away. They responded to the area. They are located, the shell casings at that exact location with the Raven notified us. And most importantly, the suspect was still on scene. So we're able to take suspect in custody with the gun. And basically without that technology, we could have been 10 minutes late, wait for 911 call, come in. And we might have been doing it's late, went for 911 call, come in and we might have missed the suspect at that time. So generally this happens in about 30 seconds. Gunshots go off, it notifies it trying the lights and then it sends the hit through the software and the officers were able to not only respond to it but respond to the address in which it triangulates but you're also able to go back in and hear the gunshots. So it's been important on a couple of cases. So that's just a quick overview will be glad to ask for any questions that you have over the flock system. Like I said, there's approximately 264 in the state of Georgia now that we're using the flock system. We have apartment complex in Townsville that uses the flock system. There is now loads, they're using the flock system as well. And we have other surrounding agencies that are looking at adopting it as well. Can you remind me when we first put this in, there was a grant associated to some of it, I remember correctly, is that, are we beyond that now, and what are our costs, and what are we paying, are we looking to get more cameras, or do we have what we need? Well, you know, so the grant was through the community balance reduction grant. Out of that, we, that grant paid for not only the flock camera system, but also paid for, what's called a Discover Crow. I might not get in all of it, but CSI uses it. They do something with fingerprint, photograph and beyond my scope. But it paid for that as well. Out of that, the first year for the flock camera system was 128,000. That grant paid 100% of that 128. There was, or still is, somewhere around $16,000, $18,000 left in that grant. I reached out to Pam Schalk a couple months back asking her if we could use that amount of learning for the continuation of the flop system. So she's supposed to be checking back with that grant to see if it can be used for that or does it have to be used for the addition of technology through the ground. So that's one thing. The flocking system is now over, or the billing cycle, we were contacted other day that they're now looking for that installment for this year. How much is that? That's 118 guys. So we're an affected expired in July of 24. That may solve cameras or just the use of their platform. So we rent everything. So that's for the software, that's for the Falcon cameras and for the gunshot detection of the Ravens. So we have 99 Ravens throughout the city and there's 29 LPRs or Falcons throughout the city. You know, if you look at what's the best out of that system, we would all agree that the LPR is the best component of that. The gunshot detection is great and is proven itself and it is viable sometimes. Well I think a lot of times what we find is that somebody will shoot a gun right outside of their home and then go inside. Well then by the time I get there I see the shell cases. Nobody else is there. So now you have to start investigating and trying to prove if somebody of that house did that. But where the LPR comes in, it's more than just notifying me that the somebody has an expire tag or has spent a drive on it. There's been several cases that has helped CID in their investigation, because they're able to track this person through town to cooperate what the victim is saying. Or if we know that we're looking for somebody, I put that in there because if they own a car, chances are that car is registered to that person, some that somewhere they have some car. So once they drive through there, we're notified that hey, this person has a warrant. You're looking for them. So I mean, the LPR side of it, I mean you can look at all the communities that are doing everybody sees that ask technology is just is advancing by leaps and bounds and it's almost like having another 29 officers out there. So relying on that I think that the L LPR is the better than the rate. I mean, if I have a firework. I remember correctly though, y'all used to depend on people calling in that they heard gunshots, but you don't know if that was a firework or a gunshot. So the data you're providing really wasn't that accurate. This now, you have very clear data that we can act on. In another way, you can use the Raven and the flock system, it's the same company, but we have a drive-by shooting for example and we have the Ravens out there listening to gunshots. Well we can go in there and click on the cameras and ask for vehicles that were in that area at that time. And Give us vehicles which could lead to some of the actual shooting just in narrow down that scope of the law. And so she's, so parents trying to find a grant that would pay for this year's flop. No, I don't know. We haven't looked for a grant for this year unless she's out there looking for a, we've talked about it. I've talked to her with it, but there is money left over from from last year. Yeah, but not a lot. Yeah, it won't cover, it won't cover through the end of 24 or in just 25, we'll have to find another fund in some worse for that. So I have a question. You ended up at the end of the report that there were 839 between the shots and between the multiple gun shots and between the firework. I have two questions and maybe you can answer maybe not let me know. How many of these were considered to be very violent crimes and how many did we solve? Because fireworks is probably not. Have you taken anybody to jail because of fireworks? OK, so what about the single gunshot? Single gunshot, to me, is that gunshot goes up, it's got to come down. Bullet is coming down at the same trajectory as it is a few fire straight. So if a bullet comes down and hits you on top of the head, you're dead, we've been called to homes where the bullets have gone through the ceilings that landed on the floors. So to me, one is too many. I mean, I wouldn't want anybody to shoot a gun in the city. That's why we have laws or have the ordinance. This is you cannot shoot a firearm in the city. Believe me, I understand that I was just wondering how many people have been arrested and charged with these because of flock cameras. If it's just taking a picture or whatever, it's not happening with our crime rate. I'm just trying to figure out how many. I would probably say only a handful, probably five have been arrested based on the rape. We've had one, and I, over where Mr. Tyler lives, there was a subject over there. Every night would go out and fire was gone. So we kept getting those updates or those alerts that had this address. But it was sporadic in the address because not only he wasn't firing it all the time right at his house. He may walk off into the woods right behind his house. So it was picking up on different addresses. It took us a little bit of work, but we were able to catch him and interview him and arrest him for charging for it. There's been other times that we've been notified to go to Wood Valley. We went to Wood Valley one day. We actually caught the guy and firing the machine gun in there. So, golf running through the woods able to identify him and arrest him. It does the same thing at the Villanoor. But those, you're right. Those things are very far infusing. That's what I was saying earlier. We find a lot of times that people are just shooting them outside of their home and then they walk inside. There are times that the flocks notified us of the dry by shooting. That information from that raven system led to some of their investigations and making a rest and closing that base out. But there again, overall, if I look at the raven and look at the Falcon camera, if the money in that Falcon camera that we spend and the proofs in the pudding, what we showed a minute ago, that comes to the head. So what one of the important things is that the Ravens don't actually take a picture. So it's just, it is a shot detection device only and there is no picture associated with the at all. So therefore with a car and with the mountains, it takes a picture of the car like today we got on the work on a stolen vehicle out with that county is 4.25. Well, it takes a picture of that tag, it sends it to the officer and they look at it. Well, he sees that it's on a Honda, a Honda. Anyway, it's like a black car, not a Ford F1 minis. He calls dispatch and confirms that he's this vehicle stolen, is this tax stolen or what? Well, they confirm that it's stolen out of, what they have, but it's obviously put on another vehicle at this point. But we actually can see the vehicle that we're looking for that has the stolen tag on it. The thing with the shot detection stuff is we don't have a picture of anything. We just have this is a location of where the shots are coming from, so now the investigation has to start into what is going on. So it is more labor intensive than what the actual other side of the balcony is, where we actually have documented. This is a picture of that car. This is a picture of a stolen car. This is a picture of the car that the one person is driving. This is a picture of the car that the kid and that child is in or supposed to be in. We actually have some doubt that we can start looking. So therefore, it kind of cuts down on that manpower. But for the audio detection stuff as far as gunshots there is no actual picture of anything it's just it says in the work saying that these are gunshots that are coming from this area or this is fireworks and it's at level what this chest they were saying earlier as far as this is actionable entail and everything to be getting live. Whereas before somebody made here gunshots, made here fireworks, we don't know what it is. But the artificial intelligence of these things in the term of these fireworks or gunshots is more reliable than what an actual person is. But also somebody made here what sounds like gunshots. They made this up, I don't know if that's gunshots, they may have been fireworks. They wait 10, 15, 20 minutes. Well, I think I might need a call. But now we get intel that's 20 minutes later. Whereas this is 30 seconds. It determines whether it's a firework, a gunshot, and we need to send somebody over there. And another thing to try to further answer your question about how many arrests we've made. Well, you can't really gather that and tell right now because like, there's 130 single gunshots or the 235 multiple gunshots. Our officers get responded to those calls. They get there and there might not be anybody around. Well, what does that tell you? We know what address it is. So what they do is start looking around looking for evidence. So they pick up the shell casings. We collect the shell casings. They turn them into our crime scene. We take that, do we take those shell casings and send them off to ballistics? We do the fingerprint processing, as part of what you were talking with the discovery system that we use that, the developed fingerprints. We send them off to snipers where where they do ballistics because shell casing, if you ever know about weapons and guns, the primer strikes a little dot in the back of the shell casing leads it there. Well, that's indicative to telling us what kind of gun it came from. So we gather that intelligence, okay? And then if we have something else that happens later on or we've executed search warrant, recover a gun or something, we send that gun off to ballistas. Well now we can match that up. It could be a year later, two years later, when we recover the actual gun. Or it could actually lead to solving crimes that happened two years ago, just because we went and recovered some of this evidence on CNN. So, you keep the 130 single gun shots. We may not get it or rest. We may get a two-eress out of that right now, but it could be two years later, we can solve another one, and it could be a very serious crime, but just collecting some of these showcases. My thing is the flop system may have saved a little girl's life that was kiddin' out, that tracked her to telehassy. That if we didn't have it, that it would not have tracked. And it's worth this weight and gold to be. How much did it? How much you blew it on first of the life? Yes. I can give you one more story. Doesn't have to do with Thomas. I can track it heard. Yes. And gettin' heard back that night. I say to the whole lot of people a lot of words. I wish the flux is the net. I'd be on the down level stream. But it didn't. And there was a life taken. Not, not, not. I'm just, I need to put a flux just a month. Yes, over there. We put a camera over there. Yes, over there. I mean not a camera but the rate and not really something like that. I'm just saying $128,000 coming from there. I know a K from Grand Lash. Your weird coming from Residue. That every year. $128,000 every year. No, no, $118,000. $118,000 every year. Yeah, just give. Get it, just count. Now, if you want one in your neighborhood, I've had people call me and ask, what would it cost to put one of those? For one LPR, it's $3,500. And now, so, like with like with loans, if the police department wanted to tie into that subdivision, then it cost, I think it's $250 per channel, depending on how many cameras they can get on that one channel. So there is a cost involved in that. But that may be something that the police department could ask the homeowner of the association or loads or whoever to pay for that because they own the system so they could pay for that and let us see. I'll see you with $250 to use it. Yeah, correct. I will let them know if you can get that through. That's what we are hearing. Any other questions? Any other questions? I'll take it. Thank you all. Thank you. I got one more question. I know I'm not speaking with Ken. It takes the camera offset the their cars for the camera. I mean, the brake is speaking to the speed. We take time to have a record from that and offset it. We'll check on that Mr. Thompson. Get your match. Thank you all. Thank you all. Thank you. Got a quickly update and the building public retailer who's sitting for the arts and she has been working on a project with our Main Street office and our planning department and Tell me the city of Palsblo School System, right? Yes. First of all, I want you all to know that. She has been waiting patiently back here in the audience. Ashley was going to cut the public safety and her little mock-up things that we got stopped now. For those of you who don't know me, I'm Public Art Director at Thomasville Center for the Arts for 14 years and every time that I get paid, I use to bring people to Thomasville and to inspire creatives to come to our community. That's kind of what I've accepted as my role here. I'm the only Public Art Director. So, you know, I love doing what I do. But this project, this initiative, the Art of Safety came as first of all just an observation and then it turned into a conversation that led to, wow, we need to do this. So there's a lot of heavy traffic at Remington and that Remington Stevens crosswalk is so dangerous. People are coming on the curve and they're not slowing down. And the boys and girls cover there. A lot of people going into the amphitheater. And since I work at the, I make it a lot. And in that area on West Jackson a lot. I see it. So we had the thought of doing a cross-walk mural there. And I thought I might get a grant from the Realtor Group, which didn't come through but soon for the arts we've decided we would have paid for it anyway so I'm raising money at other places and pulling funds for that so that $7,500 to $10,000 cost we're gonna try to eat that and I did write a small grant but I don't know that I'll get it you know how grants are but we're okay with not doing it we're in Z not doing it. We're at one in Zorba. And I'm talking to, as talking to Dr. Rayfield, when he was the superintendent, he was like, we need one at Glenwood and Washington. And that one is the one that I personally ride by every morning. And I'm scared to death. I'm gonna hit someone. I mean, the curve is dangerous. I even took a picture and brought of the curve where there are three. I honestly all think you should consider taking two of those spots away when the school gets to parking lot because when there are kids coming across the street and coming around the curve cars and two crosswalks going forward. It's unbelievable how dangerous it is. So they've given me money to do to the two there at Glenwood and Remington. I mean at Glenwood and Washington. So what I'm here today is to answer any questions or concerns anyone may have. I have, let's say this, there is some information, some stats I'd like for you to hear in December 22, WALB did a study on the rise of fatalities in Thomasville pedestrian and car vehicular incidence, and there are 14 fatalities in 2020 based on that. 54% increase in incidents, not fatalities, but incidents. Hand in hand actually had a person that was hit in their parking lot picking up a child. And then I read a story, I don't know where it was, but of a crosswalk officer who was hit in Thomasville. I don't know where that was. So I was just telling you about that. If she just did a study, they spent a lot of money in their city, in the city of Tel Assie and they found that 10 percent, there was a 10 percent decrease in people running stop signs whenever there's a cross-swat mural. There's a 6 percent increase in people coming to a full stop when there's a cross-wot mural. And 18% decrease in pedestrian driver confrontations, you know, like when people get in a little, so that decreased. Larger cities are experiencing much higher numbers, like 25% decrease in fatalities because they have more traffic. Thomas was getting more traffic and so the city school system has committed to in partnership with the city of Thomasville and Thomasville Center for the Arts to actually committed 10,000 hours a year to do a set of crosswalk murals in the school areas. We don't want them all over time to fill, just like we don't want historic buildings with murals on them. But we do want to keep our streets safe for our youth. We were, see I'm just going to tell you, give you the information and then you have any more questions. There's really no cost to the CD right? Not at all. The Center is going to pay you for one crosswalk and be together to the schools that we will pay for. Correct. Man? Will they be ready to go? No. Well the one at the scholars, if you see the one on the, it's much more subtle. So we actually have a design for the one at Remington Steve and it was based on this webbed. You know there's a web chair, a cheap lawn chair. So this one, and this is kind of like a faded out, well there's not, there's another one that I forgot to bring it. Well they're not really, this one, this one is a little bright, okay? But when you're driving, you're going to see it like this. And for the kids, it will be interesting for them to, you know, when you get to the scholars, where... This is usually schooled colors, so I assume it'd be red and dark. Well, when we get to the scholars, which would be more like this one, much more subtle, because there's a residential house next to, right to their, call your fine burglars right next to there. He's all for the mural. He thinks it's so dangerous. As long as there's no blue paint involved. Well, I wish the blue paint. No, no, no, no, no, we would use, we, we would use like we would probably have the brighter color in the middle, and you know We want them so we'd want it to be so it would be the city school color. It would be the city school colors 1,000 percent. Yeah, but I mean I don't want it. I wouldn't want to Yeah, yeah, yeah. The end of those out in California, you know what, out there. I mean, this is somewhat, so it doesn't look a lot different than what we have now. You'd be surprised. I mean, it's just like paint, you know? The idea is to use art to draw attention and when you put your foot down. When you see it, you're slowing down. Complain about speeding in town so it's a way to slow it down without it being punitive all the time Yeah, there's a use all of these colors or you'll pick the color That's what I'm just worried about the colors because this is this one this one It wait this what this is the one that they've approved for For these two But I will say I couldn't I am I'm a little bit I think it's a little much. And we will tone it down. This was just there. That's graphic. Pardon me? Make me a big side. A hoodie's color. I like the other one, but. Yes. I like that. I like that they mixed this on the shorter one. They mixed a more solid thing with it. And I would really, if you want the truth, maybe the middle piece could be something like that. So I'm going to, I feel the same way. I've got their feedback to take that. Right, right, right. I'm going to have to turn them down a little. Yeah, and I think this one is fine, of course, with the different colors, you know. And we even see that. What was the second one going to be? And was that it on Jackson? On Washington. OK, we got Washington and Glynwood, you know what, the scholars. And the other one is at Remington. You know, where 209 is from the boycott. No, it's not the second one for the school. Washington. Oh, this is the second one, what's it? And they're two at the same time. They're the same time. So the money pays for both in each location. The only suggestion I have, or just when these are just isolated versus tying in a bigger network of something, it seems odd to me just visually, just to have one rain of one part town, one random one of other part of town. It'd be great, I know it's more money or whatever, but if it was tied into that the bottom area of the district, and it was a color scheme that you saw in other areas, or maybe showed it at a few different crosswalks, and so that it kind of visually made you think you're in a certain neighborhood or a field. I agree with that. There's a random one, but that's the thing. I'm all for pedestrian safety. I do think these things bring awareness to a crosswalk, which is important. But I do know that intersection on Remington and Stevens, the challenge we have there are the people driving coming out of Stevens on a Remington cannot see because of the parking. I'm going to dress that issue. This will help. This will help the people coming on that curve from. You're coming from Madison coming down. Wow. And we have to really look at that because Roderick, a husband, hot, calls me up like monthly. It comes through. They're hot. They're real hot. I want that way. There's all the ways. I mean, when you come to that two-way stop, this is the big one. Sometimes they don't stop. So this is playing for the spring of 2025. Right. So we want to get it for you all around the country. So this is, I would say, when we read the Remington and have a sidewalk, and we have a few crosswalks, we do something that ties the whole street, not just the the corner. I agree, which makes me think that we need to, and now we have time, I want to look at the big picture, because again, we don't want a start some crazy thing going on. I just would like to say, okay, why don't we reserve these for downtown, you know, and maybe it's this, you know, I mean, I'm really... If those shop up at Crosswalks have a school, there's other crosswalks in the school. Right. And they're ready to do them, but my suggestion, they wanted to do four. And they were ready to give me the money. But I'm like, wait a minute, because I don't... I feel like if I'm going to be behind it, I want to make sure that the paint's right, it lasts the way it's supposed to do, it's maintained properly. I mean, we're going to do this. So what we're going to do is we're going to... I'm speaking for crafts now, I don't know. Here's what I'm going to do. So the city will do their crosswalks, that won't change. The actual white part of the mural. There will be the same reflective paint. You know, we'll have to pressure wash them before. The same reflective paint will be there. The paint that goes between them is paint that is subigimment more in selects. I have all the information on it. But Samson's sells it. And it's a very high traffic paint. Here it is. It's everything you need. I'm not going to, when it does fade or whatever, is. They last anywhere depending because there's a difference. I think this question is when it fades out, there's a lot of pain in the degree store. So we agreed, we, I mean when speaking with April and Kenny and just having conversations, we talked about having it in writing and I think, I mean April may have been working on that. So that if we can't keep it maintained, I mean if something happens, then the city is able to paint it themselves or they're able to paint over it. Yeah. So in other words, we just don't know. Like I love the idea of the art students at scholars maintaining that one. And they were all about doing that. But maybe that's just a project that we, you know? Yeah. But yeah, if we go to the North Side of Washington School, I think all those right in school should be the same. I completely agree. Completely agree. And they even have a new thing. I think it's called ribbits. I may be saying this wrong. But y'all, it's the new thing. They just did it in Athens. So when you drive over a certain area, it plays the fight song for the school. So next year I'm coming for that. So while we're talking about speakers in the tree, while we're talking about Stephen's and Remington, we are going to have, tentatively, the renaming, the celebration for that on November the 11th of things that date for Gerald Lloyd Austin away. I love that. I mean, that renamed that street. So we'll probably get, you know, a lot some recognition out of that. I have a concern of he'll be here for that event. I know part of his family be here. So no more savings, right? No, we'll rename that. Just that. Just that. That's the exact, the street. I gotcha. Because there's only really two addresses, only that they're going to change. His family has confirmed it. I do want you to know that I kind of like that idea with the one around the school. Thanks. It's just like when I think it is something wrong with it. Well, if I toned it down, would you feel more comfortable with it? Because I think it's something wrong with it. Well, if I toned it down, would you feel more comfortable with it? Because if you try to get away from the design of it and think about it. Yeah, you have to tone this down a lot. It's too many colors. Yeah. Well, we have a, I used a graphic designer that has been, that worked with Fontaine Mori, Lizzy and Carson, and they are actually painting themselves and they're open to whatever. You know, that was just their first concept and of course we got like, yeah, we like it, but me personally, the more I look at it, I think it's too busy. I just do, I do. And I don't know how it fits in, dark, downtown. So I think there's a lot of things I want to think about and I'll make sure that. Design to be TBA with the idea. Yes, you know, it sounds great for us like I love a temporary mural. I don't like a permanent mural so much I like to think about those things so because we get stuck with them and we want it to be Thank you for what you do for the center. Thank you I wait for so long So they extra long I've got great news. I'm not gonna spend any money Lucinda So can I know where Luc listen, just come from. Cherry's real quiet, he listens. You learn a lot, you know what I mean? I have to listen, I love the airport thing. So now I gotta call him about doing an airport mural. Oh yeah, there you go. Anyway, thank y'all so much for your sport. Everything you do, thanks. Have a good day. Hey, we ordered. Have a good day.