Okay April 17th, EPC meeting to order. We don't have a quorum but we'll go ahead and discuss the issues at hand but let's begin with the row call. Juan Lee is here. At Kelly is here okay so not present with us is just Tina Garcia member Bradley Rom set member and Albert Villagomis to start with our flag salute. Please join me I state to the America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. I do believe we have one public comment, Mr. John Demingas, did you want to speak now or you want to? Yeah, yeah, going to go down there. For me. Thank you. So the first thing I wanted to talk about was the one of the files they'll be turning over to the FART department, which is the evacuation roads. And what I have projected on the screen is basically the evacuation roads that connect to the outside world and only those sections of the roads that actually connect to the outside world, not the sections that go into dead ends. So if anybody living in a section that doesn't have a road highlighted, that means that it implies they need to know how to get to one of these roads to be able to follow it out from this area. And what I wanted to ask the EPC and the Fire Department and anybody else that can help me out with this is advice. What I'd like to do is put this on Facebook for people to look at and promote a sense of cooperation to help me finish the editing part of it to see that for them to see any one section in their neighborhood to see if it erodes that they were planning on taking shows up in this map. Maybe I missed something. basically starting from scratch as far as trying to trace each road, make sure it's not a dead end, make sure it actually goes out to the outside world. So it's really an ongoing process and I do need another set of ice, which I can hopefully get someone on the internet community resident to actually helped me edit this map. So that's my first ask. I've got a specific script I'd like to use to put it on Facebook and next door and possibly even walk talk to ask for anybody that would be interested. I can give them access to the file. This specific file only, no other files, to be able to look through and see what's missing or what can be changed and improved. So that's my first ask. Can I comment on that real quick? Yes. Yes. I would probably recommend we put some major landmarks, i.e. the park, the golf course, maybe, you know, so that people can look at it real quick and identify which direction they need to go. So it would be the larger components, the park, the golf course, the pospe, the, I believe this hillside church of the West Side. Yeah, so we have those landmarks, people couldn't actually identify whether they're at. Yeah, I think that's a lot of the conversation, but what I am after at this point is someone to actually, or at least one other person, to actually have this conversation to, then I can go ahead and make the changes, because I'm looking for suggestions in any such as yours to go ahead and prove it. And the other part of this is that this does require a specific application. Should I call it Google Earth, which is a download for free for any computer. But there's also, I want to produce a actual graphic, large size graphic file that they can go ahead and take it to whatever printer or print it under in their specific printer to whatever size they are able to and have this information in a slightly different form which is a graphic file that looks like this. Let me hold on a second. Let me show you that version because I I know that everybody is going to be able to have the Techniconore how to do this app application to view the file. So instead, I would provide once the finished version of it is done, then this would be what residents can reference and put up in the refrigerator door or under emergency evacuation kit as far as the roads that actually connect to the outside world. So this is, and even this one you can see as a reference point, it's got the golf course, it's got the park, so it's got some of the suggestions you're making already. This version again, It's based off the other fancier one. The main one I'm working with is the one that's Google Earth, which gives me, as I zoom in on Google Earth, it gives me the name, so the streets, how it connects to each other, it gives me the Northern South reference, doesn't know that. So it's a two-part process. This is the one that I'm hoping also to publish through the Heitzlif if we ask and be able to publish it there and they can have that as reference and also planning to hopefully have it as a Internet file for anybody to download so they can go and print it as their convenience in whatever possible way they want to print it So that's basically my first project that I wanted to to clarify with. Anybody that can give me input to make sure that I'm heading in the right direction? Okay, so that's that. The next one is another thing I wanted to talk about with the rest of the EPC members. Anybody else was the file that has to do with the Fourth of July and how we're planning to hopefully coordinate between Firewatch personnel. Let me bring up that file. Firewatch members and also hopefully we'll get some help from the sheriffs and the fire department. What we did, we started a conversation with a fire watch folks last week asking for specific knowledge as far as where people knew that there had been chronic problems in the past as far as where the problems may be with people gathering and shooting on fireworks or just parking illegally and blocking roads. So there's a few points here, the yield pushpins, that these are places that were given to me at the meeting, at the fire watch meeting last week. Then I went ahead and sort of thought of where there might be some additional places that might be sensitive points. For example, around Powder Canyon, all the entrances to Powder Canyon could be places that we might have to be watching out for. I know we're going to be getting additional help from other petroleum services. So in this case, I'm also asking for anybody that knows any specific areas, any specific intersections that could be added to this. This information that else would be passed on to whoever's going to be doing the patrol not only the the far-watch folks, but also maybe the sheriffs to point out these are the sense that of chronic spots that we've had challenges in. And that's that. That's basically the gist of what I'm working with. And the main thing, the first is to get some going to input back as far as if it's okay for me to go on Facebook and ask for help to finish the roads evacuation map part of it. The other thing I wanted to mention before I go is the, there was definitely a good article in a apro eighth wierd daily news article as far as the mayor of la Habra la Habra heights and wierd taking a helicopter tour of the paddock canyon I want to hand went ahead and actually read the article anybody that is interested can go and read the article for free so it's's there, it's very informative. And that's all I really have. Mr. Further discussion about the map, maybe it could be an uncertain one of the heights life as a fold out or something that we recommend folks who and then possibly on the brush clearance notice we can also add just a small smith to saying it's going to be available or it's available for download and print on the website. That's going to be something we can talk about once it's finalized. Any other comments on that or questions, folks? If not, let's go turn on the lights. Thank you, Mr. Dominguez. There's two of us, so we're not going to go into the consent calendar. We'll push that until the next meeting. Committee reports Ms. Kelly, any updates? Anything you want to add, how the progress on small groups, pods that we refer to? I'd like the input from Ed Fire Chief because I think that the program with the five areas for the neighbor to neighbor might actually not be very efficient in an emergency as I have just seen interviews with people and the two fires recently in Los Angeles. I would just like to some some input to realistically plan small groups are that it didn't appear when I heard interviews that there was much community cooperation that people were kind to like on their own and And I want to know if that was my illusion, or that's kind of the nature of emergencies. Because increasingly my neighbors and people in the heights over the last couple of years are putting up fences that if there was an emergency, I can't turn off their water, I can't turn off their gas. I can't even get in near them at all, and yet they're supposed to be in my area. You can't knock on their doors. They have no interest in not, this is a generalization, but I think pretty down, pretty correct. An increasing isolation attitude, anti-community, and I don't see the point of having a neighbor to neighbor program if most people aren't very interested. And I've passed out stuff to people that I've known in my area, no one ever turns it back. It's knock on doors, pass stuff out. They go, I don't know, I'll look, I'll think about it, but I don't think so. So anyway, it sounds a little negative, but that's how I feel. So I feel like I might just be spinning except for Frank. Even people with animals, they never get back to you. I don't even have big animals. So I would like an honest summation of what is it like when there is a fire or an earthquake. Now, earthquake, you probably are stuck where you are. But in a fire, you have to get out. So what are the people like? How do they deal with each other? Is it just one house, get out as fast as you can? Or is there cooperation? Well, you're going to find the community, community, that's going to be a problem. And you have to identify that quickly and make a decision on what's going to be done but I would say that like the outreach some kind of outreach program that I talked about last year and we have a fire service date coming up so I'm going to put some information out there and the people in the community can come out and voice their concerns and we can talk to people individually and tell them how to best prepare and voice they can voice their concerns. Like you're saying, I agree with you. There are a lot of, we're having a lot of the residents putting up fire boxes so that they can include a remote or a key so we can access their property. Okay. So what happens in an emergency? What happens when they're down and you're trying to get on the property real quick? It, you know, almost defeats the purpose of the isolation that you talk about here. You're already isolated. There should not be people randomly traversing your property here. So, but I see the people, they're concerned they want to be protected, feel like they're being protected. But, you know, adding that extra layer of protection, IE, putting in a gate defense that's locked up presents problems. It always has and it always will be. It's just something that comes with what we do on a day-to-day basis. But I think more and more as we go on and we are more, not forceful, but more positive in our approach to people, you know, putting it out there. I missed the opportunity. I should have tried to include more community leaders in our, the brush drill that we had last week that way people could see. You know what what are we prepared to do in case of fire breaks out? So, but we're more concerned with including the Habitat Authority because they're, you know, they're worried about what damage we're going to do to the protected areas. And, you know, we have to explain to them that they're at risk also. So we have to find a way to protect our community and to have it that, that area too. So I think just an outreach, you know, it may seem frustrating, but we're gonna have to find a way to reach out to the people that are willing to participate. It only takes two or three people in a community to get involved. And you'll see the people, if you approach it right, which I'm sure you're doing. And don't give up. That's all I can say. Don't give up on your neighbor because we can't. We have to, I have to find a way how to get the people out of the city that are up on Pantyoy. So I'm going to rely on the community. My good friend over here is going to help us. And so, you know, we partner with people already and we're developing programs. And I would like to, you know, like I said, starting the Fire service day, which is coming up very rapidly. And we'll reach out, we'll have more information, tell the people how to get involved, what to do. Because it is gonna be a problem. How are you getting the horses out? I know that there's a lady that's volunteered to have her trailers. But if you've got 50 horses and only two trailers, that's not gonna take care of her. and where to take it. And then how about all the animals and stuff? And we know how dear the animals are to us. So we have to find a way to take care of it. And where do you take it? And then how about all the animals and stuff? And we know how dear the animals are to us. So we have to find a way to get those out too. You know, outside the example, there was a woman that had an accident. And what was it about a month ago? And she's a dog lady. So the people weren't worried about the extent of her injuries. They wanted to know, what about her dog, what about her dog? There was no dog in the car, but fortunately, but she was injured quite a bit, so. But yeah, I think the more information we put out there and just continue to throw out flyers and stuff, we'll develop something and be more vocal and more with our farm marshall and our inspectors and our firefighters who will be on the community doing that. One simple question. When a couple of my neighbors weeds extend beyond six feet and then they spray round upon it. It certainly eliminates a lot of the green but isn't that stuff still burned? I mean it's a lot of the brush is gone but I think that's the problem we had last you with the flood is brush clearance is not leaving the debris or leftover dead plants in your yard But removing it from as a fuel source and that's part of the homo hardening process is to remove fuel and so just by spring that doesn't end the fuel exposure Because all you're doing is leaving even more exposure because now the wheat is dry and it's not moist. It's still six feet high. Yeah. Yeah. So just kind of going back to your comment about the challenges of person to person outreach. Just the thought came up as you were mentioning this. Right now the Lahabra Heights Residence Facebook page has a significant number of people that reaching out to. So just the thought is, what if we created the Habra Heights Residence Zone 1, Zone 2, Zone 3, Zone 4, Zone 5 and have each resident be a part of that that's already in it to like those pages and that could be the communication source because a lot of folks are sharing information about how do I get a handyman who's good with you know we debatement who's good with whatever it is and social media is probably the more efficient way because we've tried this person to person I think one thing worked for our little six seven residents in my neighborhood is by me putting their texting everybody together I finally got a response from almost everybody that they would, you know. So that's another method we could do is maybe create smaller zones via text messaging. But really usually utilize Facebook, zones, and social media to get information out because, yeah, the challenge is the fences. It's gonna be the lock boxes. And who's gonna wanna drive up 50, 100 feet up to the, you know, walk up to the hill and try to knock is the fences. It's going to be the lock boxes. And who's going to want to drive up 50, 100 feet up to the, you know, walk up to the hill and try to knock on the door. And nobody's there. Now, you're also considered trespassing. So maybe this is something that we can work with. I believe Ray Fernandez is the head of the resident page. Maybe we could create five sub pages with the zones, and if you belong into that zone resident, you can click to like it, at least we can get information out quicker more efficiently. So maybe that's something I work with Ray Fernandez in getting that kind of established, so that's the softer way of getting information out. So maybe technology has to be used more efficiently, so maybe we'll do that. Any other comments or questions? Any questions from the city? None? Good. Okay. All right. We've been focused on fire, home hardening, defensible space the last two and a half, three years. But we're also seeing another peril that's becoming more frequent, and that's earthquake. We're seeing a lot of frequency of smaller earthquakes and we just had one down in San Diego, 5.1. It initially came out as a 6.0 and it was all over the board. But the alert gave us somewhere between 6 to 10 seconds to prepare. So that's the information we need to really get folks to either get the earthquake app or make sure that they're receiving these alerts because that six second could be critical. And especially if we look all along the Pacific coast all the way up to Alaska, there's definitely some frequency activity going on all the way up from Washington, all the way down to Mexico. And if this is a pattern, and we're seeing the weather patterns change, we're seeing the wind change and the behavior of perils going into places that we've never experienced. I was in Korea last month, and typically these mountains don't have fires. But because of weather, two fires broke out, and whole village burns just like our palisades, and 26 people died, and 26,000 people got displaced. This isn't a forest that's never burned before. So if countries like that is experiencing weather change because of, you know, our pollution, the Habra Heights, you know, we haven't been hit yet, but if it does come, it's going to move fast because we've seen wind activities. So we need to really focus on earthquake. And if your home is not earthquake proof or you have no emergency kits, I strongly recommend start the process now. Stock up on seven days to 10 days worth of water for every member of your family. Get some emergency kits, understand what we just described about your evacuation because if it does hit and you have no evacuation, you may be on your own for three to five days and it's critical if our information system is down, electricity is out, internet is down, you know, you need to be able to survive the three to five critical days. So that's something that will continue on the educational component going forward. But, Ann, let's take a review of your policy. If you don't have an earthquake policy, consider at least with a high deductible. If you have a mortgage, you don't want to get stuck with it. At least, you know, if you have the right insurance, you can recover quicker. of the folks and palisades that had their insurance, that the right insurance, and then also had a plan. I believe the first home in palisades that broke ground was in home that was built two years ago. Same plan, everything in same builder. They were the first one to prove, then first one to break ground, and they started the process to rebuild the exact same home two years later. So these are small things that we all could be proactive when we become reactive we just become part of the problem. So be proactive emergency kits, know your way out in case of an earthquake or having the right you know equipment materials kits that you can sustain your family and your pets. Don't forget about them and then have a checklist. And I think also the Firewatch talked about having a short way radio that's available. I believe they're running around $159 for two of them. They're advertising now. And so this is something that we all can invest in and put it on the same signal so that in the event, our cell system goes down, phone system goes down, we have something to get information or reach out to people that you're locked in. That may be an emergency tool. So once we get that info, we'll publish it out in the Height's Life so that you can order on your own. But it would help us to get that information so we can communicate. So that's what I like to focus on. And one thing that's good's happened because of the Hopper Heights being a far-wise USA community as a city. Other cities are recognizing this now, and they're coming and reaching out to us, and even in short carriers are wanting to educate their sales force, which are their agents, to start creating these smaller communities and the HOAs to have a far-right to us. Hey, so I'm proud that we were able to get this done and now we've got to be the model. You know, we can have the certificate, but if we don't take action, we're no better than anybody else. So just by having the certificate doesn't mean anything. Our brush clearance is probably one of the best by far in any community. But again, you as an individual homeowner must make sure that you keep up with brush clearance and not wait for April all year round. And one of the examples I use was myself personally, if you're able to maintain it, it's much cheaper on a monthly basis and you can get portions of your property done so that it's not a one-time one-year project where you're bringing five, six people with couple of trucks to, you know, after you brush clearance, you throw it in the truck and have it all. And it's going to cost three to four thousand dollars easy. That was two years ago. Now you imagine the labor and material costs that's gone up. It You may even double 5, 6, 7,000. A lot of folks are not going to have that flexibility, but if you do it on a weekly or biweekly basis at maybe $100, much easier to contain the growth of these wildfires. So prepare kits, brush clearances, and all you're around, not just me. And think that's the message and we've got to continue to get out. That's all for me and we don't have Mr. Ramstad or via Gomez for the property management and search training. So we'll go on to our, I guess, Sean Fraile from the fire department talking about fuel modification requirements? Is he online? Yeah, so we've had a couple of discussions related to landscaping and fuel modification. And as part of that fuel modification can get really technical, but it's also very, very important because what it's doing, it's supposed to be slowing that fire as it comes towards your house. So because we are on a high-spirited fire zone and we have those requirements, it's something when people are doing additions New houses it's part of the projects and the process that they have to do you have to prepare plan and then that That when plan gets reviewed and approved and it gets reviewed and approved by Sean And so he's gonna talk a little bit With us tonight about fuel modification process, sort of where it's rooted in the building code, and sort of the importance on what it does to help preserve our houses and our community as part of that clearance. So I'll hand it off to you, Sean. Okay. Absolutely. Well, first I just want to thank Chair Pirsten Leigh and Deputy Chief Martin and City Manager Rafferty and everybody there for just inviting me, welcoming me to the meeting and hopefully I can add to the meeting. So I'm kind of working in care of the Fire Marshal tonight and just wanting to be able to talk to you a little bit about the fuel modification process and any other questions that might come up from the group, but with the city having an ordinance for fuel modification. for your property, even in the events of an addition, or a new structure. So that can be challenging. But I think the biggest thing I think to keep in mind, and I think it's probably gonna be easy for people to conceptualize this. For fuel modification and for brush clearance and just this overall wildfire mitigation, it's really important to think about what you can do from the inside out in terms of where your house is, the foundation of the house, the perimeter, and really, really being hyper focused on what's going on. your house is the foundation of the house, the perimeter, and really, really being hyper focused on what's going on in that first five feet around your house. And be most focused there and then work out from there. And so just because, you As you can see, when you have a major fire event, and you have, you know, as you can see, when you have a major fire event, and you have, you know, lots of, you know, ornamental vegetation fires, or even conflagration from homes, you are going to have embers, and as long as they find something receptive to burn, and if it's right next to your house, then then I mean that's the whole thing that we're trying to mitigate is the house to house ignition source and and just in terms of the embers and so in my experience just coming off working for a different agency in Orange County for almost 26 years, most of what people can do to improve their situation is in the first five feet of their foundation. And so that is something that is included on the field when we do the field modification review. It's the first five feet from the house and that's part of you know what's known as the A-zone and ideally your A-zone is a flat area around your house. We know that's really challenging and Lahabra Heights because you have so much topography and with some of the age of the homes they don't you know how have flattery around the house if it's an existing, existing house. And then, and then moving out from there, you go to a total of, of the first 30-foot zone is your, your A-zone, and then extending from there, if your property line gives you, gives you the distance beyond that, which many of the homes do, then you go to your B zone and your C zone which is their thinning zones. But I want to just, I don't know, it's a smaller group there, so I want to kind of just stop myself here and ask if If there any pointed questions. I want to try to be as most effective for meeting for the folks that are there. I know you're familiar with the information. Thanks to the information on the last couple of workshops. I was able to get most of the space around my house eliminated the plants. And I'm going to be putting what I think you said was, don't put chips, no wood chips down, though they look better. Put gravel down, five feet out, so I'll be doing that. And then I wondered, I went, this looks pretty bear. So I had some pots and I put, I just started putting a pot on the grass. So on the gravel, a little ways away from the house within the first five feet. But it's got a plant in it. If I keep that plant little, am I creating a problem? Or is it because the plants are about six or seven feet apart? Is that still an issue? It really depends on what it is. If you don't have a fuel modification plan and you're just trying to to do your own mitigation. And then what I would suggest is follow the rules for spacing from the fuel modification guideline and so you know I would advise in that first five feet I would advise if you want to do pots to kind of break it up I would just strongly advise to use succulents in the pots and don't use anything else. And you know, it might not be what that's the challenge. It's letting go of what you want to have and just making do with what is needs to be there to make it as safe as possible. Because like to your point Patricia, when an major event happens, everybody is kind of on their own, the fire department, the emergency personnel, the police, the sheriffs, everybody's overwhelmed. And so when you have something that's... Something if you have an event that's beyond just a single house response The house you know your house or the people's homes that have to basically be passive in nature you have to be set up so that when an emergency happens and a fire moves through they have to defend themselves And it's these questions that you asking, hey, what do I do? These are the decisions that help make your property passively protect itself. Because when you're in those situations, you just need to protect yourself. You need to get worried about, okay, I need to evacuate. I need to get out. I have my ready set, go bag, I have my stuff. And I need to need to get out with my you know my pets and my family and get to a safer place and The house needs to defend itself passively. So that's why I spent the first few minutes talking about that's You know if an ember ends up Catching something on fire that's 40 feet away from your house That's not your house It might be a tree that you love or it might be you know something else a gazebo or a cabana or something that's away from your house But the end result we want to avoid is is finding somewhere receptive to burn so like if you have the rot like if you You know, I see this people love to have Cyprus in pots near their houses near the corners of the house and they grow tall and they just and yeah that's their vertical in nature and they'll just capture an ember so that wouldn't be the choice you'd want to just have you know a succulent and you want to have really only thing, if you're not going to have pea gravel, you want to have really just focus on ground cover near the house. You really want to get away from shrubs and using succulents, okay? Oh, I must be large in that green now. Good question and your Patricia, you are what I call in terms of a community wildland and emergency preparedness. I can tell you're a champion for the area which which is, which is what you need if you're trying to achieve a fire adapted community, which you know you guys are working on with your fire rise USA designation, but just as deputy chief said, you just keep on the good fight and you gotta keep on doing it in spite of the fact that people want to be detached. just keep keep on the good fight and gotta keep on doing it in spite of the fact that people want to be detached from the situation that's in the community. So good job. I want to encourage you on that. Any other questions? Okay, you can continue, please. Yeah, so in terms of the codes, in terms of the building codes, what's also been doing the fuel mod plans, so it's really a combination of, you know, a palette of ground cover shrubs and trees. And one of the biggest things that I see with plans is that a mature tree canopy can't be within 10 feet of the structure. So a lot of times we will see trees that are much closer than that to the house. That's kind of a big thing that kind of pops up on plans. And also with the Fule Mod Plan, it's not part of our Fule Mod Plan, but the project also has construction feature requirements. So in the residential code, they're just their wildfire mitigation requirements and it's special requirements. So like if you were gonna build a new house or let's just say you're gonna build a new ADU or accessory dwelling unit on your property, the house or the structure would have to have wildfire mitigated, siding, doors, windows, eaves, venting, and the roof. And so, and that's a design to help mitigate fire from outside in as opposed to other things that are in the residential code in terms of fire wall radiance and things like that. Those are different. But really only that the design is just to kind of make the structure ignition resistant. Um, and the general testing is like for a duration of 30 minutes. So if you have a fire moving through, it just gives that structure, um, you know, a resistance to heat and, and embers, but this isn't designed for the heat of structure to structure fires like we saw in these catastrophic fires on the grid for the eaten fire you know the homes are much more proximal I would say than what you guys would have there but but your area there's there's a real challenge with all the draws and all of the topography to have very unpredictable winds as you guys all know, which just makes it very unpredictable in terms of the embers don't care about fire zones. They don't care about fuel mod plans. They just find something that can, you know, it's a, they just want to find something where that fire could continue to burn. That's kind of the nature of it. So that's when I look at plans, that's what we're trying to plan for and mitigate for. We're trying to set that house up. So it can passively protect itself in that worst case scenario. That's the goal of it. And then, you know, that's the challenging situation because we know that there's other, there's other screening, you know, issues and other requirements that sometimes can come up for screening and shading and things like that. So. I can add also to that in terms of the fuel modification plans. The planning department operates through off, you know, off of like when they're designing for a lot or a project, they have to, they, they use rules from the subdivision map act. subdivision map act has something in that that's considered safety element. You guys probably had to do that in your last and your latest general plan amendment, a general plan update for the city. You guys probably have gone through that in the last year or two. And so bill modifications like when you have something like that, it's part, it's a requirement of the safety element. So it has a higher priority than a lot of different other things that sometimes are competing with it or have, you know, they kind of conflict. So it's, it's an arduous, you know, subject matter. I have another question. What is your opinion of using kind of the Google culture? Because I feel like it's really working well and my neighbor who had a lot of old, huge trees, but where, you know, pepper trees has followed the same thing I'm doing and so I've read and I've heard that it sometimes, it can be an issue with slides. Well, okay, first of all, Google culture is a German technique where you can take workshops, different cities have them, but you dig like a trench and then you put in like a log and then you bury it with dirt. So if you do it right, you can use it as a building amount to hold the hillside if you don't do it, if you just pack stuff on and you had, you know, you have a line slide, but if you put it down, it then becomes the basis for you to plant trees and shrubs and that can grow quickly and send tap roots down to help hold your house, excuse me, hold your hillside. And I was concerned because I had read that it could be a fire hazard, but my experience now is, after doing it for a year, it's so covered with dirt that you can't even see those logs. And my neighbor is now getting his covered, so it's to eliminate the amount of debris when you trim a tree or 50 trees on your property, or 20 trees, and then just have those hauled off. First of all, it's a lot of expense, but it's also a lot of work and a lot of time. It's also a lot of waste of materials. So what I'm finding is that for me, it's working really well to hold the hillside and the other trees are growing really fast and different bushes and stuff that have tap roots. So now I'm starting to do it on every terrace I have, which will take a while, but when I trim a tree, I'll do that. And then I'll have hold my heel side. And I think also by planning new stuff kind of mitigate the fire danger. But I wanted to know if you felt that it could be like a fire hazard because you've got logs or branches underneath the dirt. But I don't see how that could really be dangerous. Yeah, it's interesting. So to, we want you're describing just like in maintenance, if you know this, that's really just working on defensible space maintenance or brush clearance for your property. And kind of what I was talking about was a fuel modification plan if somebody has a new project, if somebody's building a new home or they're doing a significant addition to their house or adding a dwelling unit, you know, a new dwelling unit, or these days a whole nother house on their property, what, you know, with what you can do these days. Then we do a few mod plans. So what you're talking about, few mod plans, there's not, there's rules to adding combustible material like that that could be considered a hazard. When you're doing defensible space, as long as as long as that's away from your house and you're trying to, you know, because it's obviously important to have slope stability. And that's going to be oriented horizontally on the ground. It's not going to be vertical in nature. You know, like let's just take the contrast that with a tall mature pine tree or a palm tree. It's not going to be a hazard like that. I would just caution you in terms of the slope stability and planting planting other things. Also, I think what adds to that fuel hazards and overgrowth of fuels is the over watering and just having, you know, when every time you add water, you know, onto your property, then you're just growing fuel, which some, there was some discussion from chairpersonally, I believe about, you know, you know, whether it's $4,000 or $10,000 a year, just to maintain, you know, trying to kill the annual grasses, grasses try to prune your trees back try to remove the shrubs remove the dead and dying so that's all that's all predicated off of whatever water You know whatever mother nature gives us but when you add to that with watering and then when you you know, there's a lot of over planting also so you just want to make sure that if you're planting trees even that even that they're like maybe saplings or small trees you still want to follow the spacing that's in the fuel modification guidelines so you trees just should have a 30 spacing. If they're shrubs they can be closer together and of course if they're appropriate you know away from the house you know more than 20 feet away from the house for groupings of shrubs. But so that would be the only thing I that's interesting to hear about that you go culture. My last name used to be Freilich, but it's not anymore. Sean, it's very interesting. Hey, Tiana, up you here. Because of the time to stress and dis committees business, I think your presentation is more suited for one of our weekend education, where we invite the community out. And then we can talk more about the new building codes in regards to fuel modification, designing and fuel modification buildings. So if it's okay with you, we'd like to schedule maybe a future date where maybe you can come on a Saturday morning, we tend to have about 30 to 40 folks residents that show up. And then maybe can do an educational session Which we already had two sessions one is you know planning trees You know succulents and different plants fire resistant low fuel plants and then second was Insurance and defense one home hardening was a second education. So I think yours would be a great addition to the education process because some of our residents are now looking to do the ADU. So if type permits, is that okay with you? Yeah, you can reach out to me and I'm being more than happy to help you guys through that process. That's awesome. Any other additional questions before we move on to the next topic? Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Sean. Thank you. Okay, just wanted to bring up number 10 on verbal updates. We have a reminder for April 26th our Hacienda road cleanup We're meeting here at 6.30 6.45 and begin at 7 And we'll be done no no later than 9 a.m. And then there's a breakfast gathering at art fairs there after you can partake. This is inconsistent with Love Your City National Program, which is, you know, this is our first official quote, quote, La Habra Heights Love Your City road cleanup, and hopefully we can expand this going forward. And the other updates, the community outreach program, we discussed that earlier, but we will continue to get information out. And then May 1st, Brush Clients, but again, reminder our fire marshals out there actively engaging property owners that have, brush that could be a hazard or a fuel source to create situation that we don't want to deal with. So proactive, again, request, brush clearance all year round, 12 months out of the year. And then we'll go ahead and file that. Any other public comments in number 11? Anybody on the phone? None? Yes, go ahead. Hello. First time I was in a panchoy place. Before I say anything I want to say we've got probably the best city manager we've ever had. I've been up here 70 years, so, and we put up with Gracie too. One comment. What's going to happen if we have a major evacuation? Where's traffic going to go? Yeah, there's Haseyanda, there's Fullerton Road, there's Harbor. Haseyanda's going to be just like like the Palisades was. The signal that Kalim and Haseyendah going to be just like the palisades was. The signal that Kalim and Haseyenda is going to be red. We all know it. We won't have any traffic control because the sheriff's not going to know where they are. So it's something to think about. Same with Fullerton Road. Same with Whittier Boulevard. We need some work out with City of La Habra. I don't think anybody's really thought of it. I've seen it over the years because I've been involved with it. I do believe one of the discussions we did have is in a situation of evacuation, which Mr. Dominguez is IE, the fire watch, EPC, will need to all kind of get together. This is something we will continue to plan on. That's why the initial is the Genesee mapping and evacuation routes and knowing where your zones are knowing your secondary third Evacuation each resident should be proactively Identifying at least minimum three evacuation routes away from their home and the quickest way either east, west, south of north Yep Something path brought up. The community has lost touch with the city. We need to work more on that, that's why we have. We don't have any volunteers. When I was in the fire department, we had a list of approximately 100 trained volunteers. When we had some decent fires up here, which luckily we haven't had a lot. We had a lot of people show up. We looked like we had one or two guys on the day-to-day thing. But as soon as the tones went off, then we had more than we knew what to do with. And we need to get back to that. We need the community involved and we're not getting that and how to get it. I don't know. I think that's a mystery that we're all trying to solve is in this age of especially social media and in distance living and isolation and our rural way of life We're not utilizing technology more efficiently and you are 100% correct is You know, we have roughly 6,000 residents living here and we have less than maybe 1% of population that's willing to even know What public safety really is or we or even if we exist. I know there's a confusion a little bit with the Firewatch program that posts consistently their messaging and then what EPC and the city is trying to coordinate. So who do we really gravitate to? I think we need to really send a message and all the information folks need to come back to the city. It's got to be the single source of information because if you have, you know, like this evening, some of the conversations we had about fuel modification, you know, it overlaps with some of the educations that we did and we wanna keep it simple to the point, but I think just by listening to what you had said today, I just put a note down, short articles using Facebook and just get it out there, and asking those residents to share with their contacts in the community, and hopefully we can build that database more effectively. One thing that might help heights life, put some of your dates-slives. Yes. I don't see many of them. I'm not a social media guy. I'm a computer and that's about it. Some of these dates I don't see. Yeah. And yes, I'm a pain in referees behind, but that's the way it is. One comment, the fire department. We used to have more pools up here. And the promotion was pool pumps. A lot of people think, well, I'll get electric pump, go for it. You're not going to have electricity. Gasoline, gas doesn't stabilize. Propane, you can turn it on or off. So when people go looking for pool pumps, go propane. Thank you. Thank you for your information. Any other public comments? If not, it is now 7 p.m. We'll close the meeting. Thank you.