Welcome ladies and gentlemen to the Dunnell and City Council workshop meeting this evening on April 7th, on a nice Monday afternoon. If you would join me with our fledgable allegiance. I'm going to read some of the statements that were by the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God in the visible and liberty and justice for all. Is there any one in the audience you would like to offer an opening prayer? Seek no one will observe a moment of silence, please. Thank you. Madam clerk. Mayor Green. Here. Vice Mayor Inskeit. Here. Councilman Lehman. Here. Councilwoman Hanter. Here. Councilman Dunn. Here. Chad Ward, from a works manager. Here. Shalom of clean finance officer. Here. Captain Gray. Here. Haley Denowski, records clerk. Here. Michelle Leonard, assistant clerk is here. She's got the other ring. City Attorney Andrew Han. I'm here. The agenda for this meeting was posted on the city's website. I Full of Board on Monday March 31st, 2025 and amended on April 3rd to add back up to item number 3a and to add item 8b. Okay, Mandy, do we have anyone signed up for public statements? Then Myers. Welcome, welcome, Dane. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for public statements. Thank you. Thank you. Forgive my ignorance. I was a little concerned about the CRA grant program that's being worked on. I've probably been on the historic preservation board for somewhere on 25 years. And amazing silly, but what's the historic preservation board for? You've got a guess. It's to keep the feeling and the ambience of old Don Allen. To preserve historic Don Allen. It's the way I see it. And by my count, I think I've fixed up probably seven buildings that are over a hundred years old. I also helped with the second CRA plan, which expanded it into the CRA district. And if you get a chance to read that sometime, you'll see that it was very specific as far as the recommendations for what could be done in the historic district. And not a whole lot has been accomplished. And I understand a lot of reasons for that. What I will say is that by my estimation, I think we've probably demolished roughly a fourth of the historic structures since I've served on the board. And my judgment funding for demolition is not a great need. I think we're doing plenty good demolition historic structures. I think what we need to do is to encourage restoration of historic structures. And the CRG grant program can be a carrot to encourage people to fix up their places. I will also tell you that I think virtually any historic structure, you could find an engineer and architect to say it's not feasible to fix it up. And I think whether or not you restore historic structure is largely more attitude than the economic realities involved. And so to the extent that we can, I think we need to encourage people to fix up historic structures. And I would encourage you to fund things that do encourage that. And I would encourage you not to fund things that encourage demolition of historic structures. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. Yes, yes, sir. Some time ago the subject came up to whether or not to fund, to include roofing and funding for grants for historic structures. And I would contend that roofing is probably the most important thing to fund. I would say the majority of structures that we have approved demolitions for began with a leaky roof. And subsequently everything else fell apart. And so for whatever reason that that was inclined not to be included in the grant, I would encourage you to, I think that's an important one, to encourage people to do is put on the phone structure. Thank you. Mandy do we have anyone else signed up? No sir. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address the workshop? You don't necessarily have to be signed up Kathy. Do you want to welcome, come join us. Kathy done 1138-600 strive. I too thoroughly am in support of restoration of historic structures. We did that in Birmingham with 120-year-old homes with sweat equity. However, the problem in Dunnellinnelan is we haven't had a property maintenance code put in place or enforced. And consequently, consequently the structures have deteriorated to the point that the citizens that live here full time have to live with the derelict structures. And our property values are being destroyed. So in my opinion, the cat is kind of the horses out of the barn in the fact that I love historic preservation and I think our historic district has been totally mismanaged. And the commercialization of it to me was a huge mistake because I don't want to live next door to a hair salon. Nothing gets hair salons but our commercial district is empty. So I think that this new conference plan is going to be a real opportunity for residents to come out and voice their opinions. We need coals and we need people to maintain their buildings when they are getting older. Thank you. Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to address the workshop? Anyone? I have no one. Okay. Well, we will move on. Board reports reports do we have a chamber report to see me. Yes we do. Chamber report. Heart Jones. Go ahead. Yes I'm filling in for Judy. Terp Leaker is there somebody else? Did you have a question sir and you raised your hand. No I don't like to address the board but I the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask with the Council's agreement. Okay? All right, art thank you. Art Jones live here on Pemet away in Dunnellen and I'm filling in for Judy who you know had some throat surgery. So she asked me to speak and I got my gator hat on because the gators in the basketball, they're in the finals now. So yay. All right, so the Chamber has been working really hard at trying to get more people involved in the Chamber. And we have some new members that just joined the Chamber. Carvalho, Brazilian Jizitsu joined the Chamber. Bar none, electric joined. Harmony, preschool. My piece of Florida, Alcova, mortgage, also known as American mortgage lenders joined the Chamber just this last month. Randy Francisco, Citrus County Dream, he's with Keller Williams Realty and Elite Partners 2. So we've got, we're still getting new members coming in. So that's a good thing. Upcoming events, April 8th, the 15th, the 22nd, and the 29th, the Dunnell and Historical Society will be open 9 to 12 right down there at the train depot. And then of course, April 12th is Boomtown Days. Probably one of the biggest events that the Chamber puts on. We're expecting a good turnout. I think there's over 170 or 80 vendors last time I knew. And a big thank you to everybody that's coming out to help. I know Tim has I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. the the chamber We're still looking for a few extra volunteers And then April 17 is a type one diabetes support group Sponsored by the chamber, but it's going to be hosted at the seven Or from six to seven p.m. At the River Life Church Which is out there across the county line on West DunnellAnelan Road. And then at the Rainbow Springs Art in D'Anelan, 2804 West Pennsylvania Avenue on April 17th, they're having life under the sea. It's a class and the fee is $60 plus $5 for supplies. And then April 18, 1030 to 1230, and also on April 25th, 10 to 2. A acrylic pour in more two day classes there. Class fees, $59 plus $10 supply fee. And then also on April 18th is Metamorphis Butterfly Wing. Class, it's a class. And the fee is $40 plus $10. And then they're having on April 26th from one to three color and abstraction for beginners. Once again, a class fee is $50 plus $10 supply fee. So a lot going on right now our main focus is on boom-town days, expecting good turnout. I think the weather's going to be great, right? So we're hoping for the best. Mr. Mayor, thank you. Is there a vendor meeting or something this week? Do you know? They're organizing all the vendors now this week. So in actual meeting, I'm not sure about maybe at the chamber Yeah call over there duty still around and Tina's help and her But they couldn't be here tonight, but I know that they are there every day Yeah, okay Okay, thank you sir. Friday I know it's right, but I'm not sure about the 330. All right. Okay, thank you, Tim. Okay, Tim, you're gonna be volunteering Saturday. What time are you getting there Saturday, more? 530. I'll be there. I just haven't had a chance to respond. So we need to take that off. Perfect. All right. I'm a sunshine. And that's the Chamber Report. Thank you very much. I'll come down. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. With Council's approval, I'd like to allow this gentleman to make a statement. Yes. Yes, sir. Please come forward. Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Good afternoon, Councilor and Mr. Mayor and folks. My name is Rick Dunn. My great, great, great grandfather discovered, no, that's not true. I'm not related to any Dunn and Dunn Ellen, but I grew up in St. Petersburg and spent a lot of time down here on the river, et cetera. My wife and I moved to the area four years ago, wanting to find housing, had a hard time finding what we wanted. We loved historic properties. I retired from the city of St. Petersburg as they were building official, but prior to that, I was their historic preservation planner and their CRA coordinator. So you've got a great thing going here, but I have to agree with John, I think it is. Right? Dan, sorry, I'm sorry. Your CRA money needs to go back into the CRA for improvement, not the demolition. We bought two buildings in the district on Illinois Street right now across from each other. Studio 118, one and two. And in two years, the property taxable value for the last property went from 86,000 to 130,000, almost doubled. Which meant the tax revenue is doubles, which you all know in a CRA comes back into your community. You tear down a house, it's not even dirt value anymore, because now you may have some contamination in the dirt from the demolition. So demolition is not the answer. Your CRA will continue to grow if you put money back into it. And the two properties, between the two properties, we've increased the taxes probably over $3000. For those two properties, because we took them out of the derelict condition into rentable, we've got people waiting to rent the units. We had them rented within literally 24 hours. So we've got four new jobs in the district that come to the restaurant spend, they're doing their lunch breaks. Their customers are, it's on Illinois, so that's all CB or D3, I think it is. So it's a pretty flexible zoning and we have had a lot of success with that. So I'd encourage you to put the money back into your grant program, should be, should allow a uh, Dan's correct that 90% of the damage starts at the roof. Um, I'm on the volunteer committee. I haven't had much time lately, but I, I'd love to help out with some of your CRA redevelopment. If you have a need, but please don't, uh, don't take away the grants for a facade, because we took advantage of that. And then like I said, you can see the increase in values. Thank you very much. Thank you. We'll now move on to item number four, Council Genda items, 4A, Vashmarie and Steve Mary and Steve. Mandy. We could do a goal. The county and the F dot asked Chad myself to come to the meeting because Chad, we're both TPO representative, Chad on the attack and myself on the board. And what they want to go over is what you're looking up there. Many of you scroll down just a bit. Please. Perfect. Okay. So what you're looking at from the bottom, the red blue line on the right side of the sheet. From the bottom of the red line to the top of the blue line was originally one project to widen 41. What the issue is that they're having, and they've been having year after year, keeps getting kicked down the road because of lack of funding. To give you an example, 11 years ago, that entire project was $23 million. Now that project is $148 million. So the cost increases are coming in faster than the funding that is happening. So what the state is proposing is that they break that project into two sections. Do the red section at the bottom first, which would be from Walmart to basically uh, Windixi and their, uh, traffic study data showing that one being in trouble. You know, they got a lot of good words, but I'm just going to say, hey, their traffic data showing that one congestion-wise being in trouble right now. Um, so with the 90, they have 96 million dollars in the right now, and they have enough money to fund the red area. The blue area, it is showing in 2035, the congestion wise, that will be in trouble like the red area is. So they want to have in next month's meeting, the TAC will receive this information and be voting to recommend to the board to split what was one project into two projects so that something can get done. If they don't split it up, it simply isn't going to get done. The other counties in the state are all buying for the same pots of money. So everybody's in the same predicament. So what FDOT is approaching everybody with is this same scenario. So instead of one particular project getting everything, nobody else getting nothing, or to keep getting kicked down the road, they're recommended to almost everybody splitting up projects like this and doing this. The one to make sure there's no confusion. This year here at the end of the May was the last communication that we all received from F dot. This has nothing to do with the resurfacing project that's going to happen from the width of the Coochie River bridge up the Walmart. That's still in place. It's still supposed to be happening at the end of May. So I wanted to communicate this. I'd love to be overreaching on my part. If Enchads, up on ourselves, we just went in there, Chad voted yes, go with this. I go to the board meeting vote yes, without the concurrence of council. So I don't see any other way for this project start happening if we don't move forward with their recommendation. Mr. Mayor, ask a question. Yes, ma'am. So, Tim, I mean, I know we all drive this thing crazy and I think it's funny they think the red part is the worst because I know what you're going. You had, I mean, I have taken pictures not while driving of course and sent it to the TPO and all you do from the new gas station is you see it to almost a sheriff's department and it's nothing but a development rainbow right to get past rainbow lakes of states coming south it's not a big deal. I don't I mean really true that Windix from Walmart to Windix I mean yes you have the idiots I want to pull in front of you when it goes in but the accidents are happening at that age. Right and I'm with you the only thing I can tell you is that right see the same thing. I actually spoke to Matt Pudlow because he goes, he drives out every day. Yeah. He says the exact same thing you do. However, their traffic data analysis with you is saying this. They haven't been in high-car. And he really told me, I mean, for me to get to a house that I have listed right now on 77th Street with a storage unit on, that takes me just to get there almost 20 minutes. Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with it. Right. So maybe if you could at least communicate that. Communicate that. That we really think maybe going top to bottom, versus bottom to top, that we don't, you know what I mean? Right. Blue to red now. Right to blue. Yeah, it's just ironic that their data is showing it for another 10 years, the blue is OK. They have a, they have a little drive in my way. Right. So I'm not sure where to get and how their data is working. But if you would just at least express that. Definitely. To the day I would try to appreciate it. OK. Behind scenes, I'll talk with Chad and we'll figure out a way. Because again my office used to be there at that storage unit and they had to smooth everything overall ready. You know take out our signs and do everything and then they kicked it out. Oh right, yes. Last minute. Right. FDOT didn't even know why I was here. Yeah all the land has been purchased from the bottom of the red to the top of the blue. Everything has been done except the project itself. We appreciate it. So yeah. Br- the red to the top of the blue. Everything has been done except the project itself. All right. We appreciate it. So yeah bring up their concerns and I'm not sure at this point here if it's too late and I'm going to move on. Right. We'll voice it right. Yeah. Doesn't look right. Looks like a sub-site down. I'm sure the sheriff's could probably concur. All right. Right. Yeah, same right. Yeah, questions on it. OK. I'm sure the sheriff's could probably concur. Right. Yeah, questions on. Okay. When it's going to win Dixie, so is that going to include access to win Dixie? Yeah. My understanding is it's supposed to go just past, you know, the road that turns, when you get past win Dixie and the road that turns right to goes back to like capy hole it's the four way is supposed to go just past that when you get past that road supposed to be where the merges back to include one of the entrances to rainbow lakes no well not rainbow lakes to one of those subdivisions at some point right right? First, it'll be the first road on the Latin rain best frames. The reason I'm asking is a model for is that basically since they're not doing a whole thing and they for a one mile of it, then on the people going north, the two lanes are going and have to go back down to one lane, which means you're still going to have the same merging problem that you've got down by the whole line. Sure. Just basically moving it up. Right. Right. So I'm all for the project. I wish that they had the money to do the entire thing. But you understand what I'm saying is basically they're just moving north. Brown merged. A memorial. A memorial. Right. Okay. I just as that's why I was asking is if it was going to give enough access to where the people in those subdivisions could then use that as the main entrance as a for lane, you know as a for lane road road rather than everybody going onto a one lane road. You follow. You know what, yeah, I guess this map is not very detailed, but I'll look and see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see I don't think it's no matter which one to do first or second, it's going to be a line of either end, it's going to be which one to do second. The only problem is, it's funding, it's not there to do both. You You got pick one or get none and I have been dying for a light for years because that's why we're getting asked. Because people are trying to make left hand terms out of where they go like a state's home northbound. Especially with the hills. Remember like a state's? Yeah, yeah, that's off. There's always accidents there. There's accidents there all the time because people are trying to make left hand terms and we're driving in a guess extrapolating that out if you look at it 14.7 miles for 14.7 million dollars from one mile, then I guess we can see how much the baseball road is going to cost for just two days. All right. The thing I forgot to mention, can't see it real well on on the screen, but at the top of the blue line is a red circle. And what the red circle indicates is we're 41 and 40 bisect. That intersection, I guess, is very problematic. And they're going to do that intersection, improve that intersection, the same time that they do the widening in the red. That's a 4041 intersection. We're the new gas station. Right. They're going to put a right hand turn in and hopefully then everybody should have played before. Right. Yeah. That whole intersection is getting widened again. Take care of it. Same time they do the model. And 2035. No, no, no. The blue is 2035, but the intersection up top. Oh, that's nice. That's going to happen now with the red down below. And that might help a little bit closer. Right, right. So the 14.7 million not only includes the mile road, but includes the intersection up there, which will be quite a lot of reworking. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Absolutely. That's it, sir. Oh, well I agree with everything I'll say. I mean, it looks like it's inverted. And you know what? My reaction is get something done. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. Everything from when digs you the 40 is a disaster. And it leads to do something. So it leads to this part of it's done, but I do think it's bad. But I get it. At least we'll get in some of the money. Yeah. Oh. Anything else? Finally. If you notice here, ladies and gentlemen, I doubt I don't know what you can see in it on this project delivery to move this project forward. Partial funding for the construction has been identified in the physical year 2030. 2030. And when I went in office in 2014, that road was supposed to be completed in 2018. We're now hearing that the funding now is going to be available for a mile of it in 2030. I will be 80 years old. I'm going to be happy if I'm still here when I'm 80 years old. And I'll probably be happy if they do fund it then. I just don't have a whole lot of confidence in someone who tells me that a road is going to be completed in 2018 and I'm sitting here in 2025 and I'm totally going to have money for it in 2030. I like to be optimistic. I think optimism is a great thing, but I just can't get into that polyanithing. I just can't wish things to be true. I have to have evidence and I am very concerned that our 41, which I refer to as little 200, is add and getting worse and it will be much much worse by the time 2030 gets here. So this waiting on and on and on with every excuse in the world, the funding is not there. There is funding, but it is going somewhere else, ladies and gentlemen. That was indicated in 2018, and I see a present right now. Now, all the intersection of 40 and 41 north of town. I requested that a right hand turn lane be installed there from the current Catholic Church entrance all the way down to 40. They did respond and say that would be completed this year. That is not to be delayed. That is to be completed this year. I also asked consideration to be given to highway street excuse me county road one eightieth which is the schoolhouse road I could trail and the intersection at 40. Consideration needs to be granted to that intersection because it is very very dangerous with the traffic of the schools and trying to intersect 40 and get in and out. The buses and everything else. We are seeing mass, mass population growth in Southwest Marin County. Every day when I go to high school just about every day I see new kids kids. So all along this morning with their mom, sitting in their register and it comes to school. Every day this is occurring. We're now at 1600 students at our high school with 24-table classrooms. This is not a big amount of anybody's imagination. This is reality of where we are now. We have to get our infrastructure caught up with our standard of life in Southwest Marin County. Our standard of life, our quality of life is drifting away over and over again with these delays for infrastructure. And I have voiced that concern and I will continue to voice that concern. And it makes me very sad to see this project delayed and delayed and delayed. When it's so direly needed by Southwest Mary and County. And there's one more thing that we'll discuss. Any move it up just a little more for me? This subject here you read this 38.3. That's interesting. That's interesting ladies and gentlemen. That's projected increase in traffic from two thousand twenty four to two thousand fifty I would be a hundred in two thousand fifty I may make it Clinton Burns made it two hundred three I might be there I don't think I'll be mayor but the idea but I'm having some levity to it I don't understand that but. But the idea that US 41 is only going to gain 38.3% more in traffic in 25 years. When if you've lived here any length of time, you know how much it has multiplied in the last five years, in the last 10 years. And they have the audacity to suggest that it is only going to be 30, they point three percent increase on 41 in this stretch of road in 25 years. I don't believe it. I cannot put faith in anyone who puts that kind of figure together and tells me that that's what they projected. I want to see where that evidence came from. And that's how I feel about it. And I want to make it clear tonight that this meeting, our vice mayor and Chad attended was a good step. and tell aassee when the meeting was hailed or I would have been glad to be there, but I couldn't be in two places. So I want you to know that I firmly support infrastructure improvement for Southwest America and I will continue to do that. I'm going back to Tallahassee, Winsy, for Americanities on Thursday and I will continue to stretch the need for infrastructure improvements for our community. And that means for the schools and the considerations are water and sewer and also for our transportation. Those are my three big items that I want to see as concentrate on as far as long range and trying to hold on to the quality of life that we've all wanted and enjoyed in this community. And if we don't speak up and we don't fight for it, it's slipping away further all the time. And that's my contribution to this presentation. I'll turn it back over to O'Rourke's mayor. So with all of that said, listen to everybody's concerns and everything. I'd like to not wait until May with a tack meeting happens. If it is okay with this council and you, Mr. Mayor, and Mandy, going to ask for one of her employees, I'd like to reach out to FDOT, reach back out to Tracy with the county and set up another meeting as soon as they can with Chad and me in it and bring these concerns up. And then I'll ask for the data. Here's what I've got, here's the notes I've taken. We think the plan's upside down. We'd like to see the data that presents that the 2030 date. This thing has been, when I go back on with the documents, like you said, since 2008, this thing looks like it's been on the books. They're showing $96 million in the pot right now. There's one mile and I'm supposed to cost $96 dollars. So why is it not happening to 2030 when it's been on the books since 2008? We have an issue with the projections and we'd like to see the data how they got to the projections for 38 percent. Exactly. And it's seen when they did those. When they should have. Studies, et cetera. I mean, it was five years ago it's wrong. So if this council, the man is okay if I bring Chad. I commend you for what you do at the time. I'll thank you all for your recommendations. Well, I commend you for being able to attend the meeting along with Chad and boys in our concerns because this is the only way we can participate is having a voice at the table. Right I agree. And you're doing that and I applaud that and I'm sorry that I wasn't able to join in. No no no we can't owe the everything. Thank you for your input and we'll let them know our feelings. Okay anyone else have anything to add to my little dice ride concerning this floor to form the transportation assumptions? We'll move on then. I guess to item five, a CRA grant program. We want to start this one. Careful, this just came forward from the last workshop. You all have been doing the quality of making some recommendations, so we just wanted another opportunity for you to provide any input you may have. And actually, Councilman Lehman had emailed me some suggestions that's in your backup folder that he wanted to share with you all. Okay, you want to make a presentation? Yeah, okay. Well, start off with, does that went through the CR-8? I was interested to listen to what they had to say tonight being here? And it's got eligibility requirements which basically required what we talk about the money. Ineligible improvements, interior improvements, general maintenance which is things we've discussed on our labor and decorative items such as birth feeders. Ineligible improvements are the next section is things that are listed with just general office stuff. My question is, other than doors and windows, what can actually be improved with the CRA? And then as I listen to Councilman and Innskeap and Councilman Dunlast meeting, both of them brought up very good points. One of them is Councilman Inskeep said, and as Dane said, we're supposed to be getting a return on our money. And as Councilman Dunn said, we're basically taking the money that they would pay for doors and windows and make them apply it to something else. And that's why when we read through there is that high springs, the only items there were windows and doors is so, could we, I don't see anything in here that says what's actually eligible in the CRA in terms of property wise, or can they paint the building? Can they repair the outer structure, the wood, the demolition, you know, clean the wood up? Can they paint it? Can they fix the foundation? Things that add value? And I don't know if there's another list for that. Anybody? Here, everything is spelled out. I just been working on other stuff, so this has been on the back burner for me. But, you know, I'm hearing a lot of what was done in the past, us, other cities, etc. But Florida Statue of Chapter 163 is what spells out everything. That's a pretty long one. We'll see the page count here, but it's a long one. And that's the governing body of all this. And it keeps coming back to the same things. There must be a return for the tax people's dollar. It cannot be for maintenance. Right. And they do a very good definition of blight, which blight, I don't have it in front of me, basically what I remember saying, not ready to give a small, yeah. Right, I mean it comes down to safety, all that kind of stuff. It's just not based on an ice or It's based on the basically buildings going to fall down. So he's going to get her life safety stuff and all that. And again, the reason the grants got put on hold is because we were spending the money on maintenance items. That's what Windows, whether whether it's Windows, doors, or roofs. Roofs is what caught our attention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Roofs are what caught our attention. And just because somebody's roof is up for maintenance, that's not allowed. CRE money is not allowed to be spent for that. And so at some point, I don't know the word ever audited. I've never heard of scene one. But my opinion is we would be in trouble with the way we have been spending our funds. And we basically have to figure out this statute chapter 163, what we're allowed to do and what we're not allowed to do. Now what other cities do is a good guiding point, but I worry about how much smarter they than us, if they're also spending their money on stuff, the spending CRR $8 on stuff that they probably shouldn't be, just because they do it doesn't mean it's right for us. I just don't want to get in that trap. But that's where I'm at with this whole thing, where we just got to clean it up, so we're not spending illegal. My question is, I don't know if you're familiar with it, but on how road just west of Illinois is for turns into Robinson. I just got a house for sale by owner. It looks like nobody's done a thing to that house in 20 years. The bushes are overgrown, the paint, everything. Using that house as a guide, if that owner was to come in, what could we do for him? What could we approve him spending money on to improve the appearance of that house? Right. At this point, I cannot tell's and that's what I'm saying. That is what the whole problem of this CRA thing is you've got a property in none of us can look at that property and say we can fix this and that's Dane, am I correct? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, we always want to have a care and a stay. Yeah, I've got plenty of care and to encourage somebody to come on versus fixes on a birth property Yeah, but in the to have a care and a stay. Yeah, I'm not going to need a care and to encourage somebody. One person picks up her property and the rest of the neighborhood seems to catch on. But what I'm saying is we really have no idea, just like you said, looking at that house, what we can do to fix it and what we can specifically improve money for. So that's why I put it in thing that says, if we're going to improve windows and doors to start with, let's make a requirement that they have to clean the facade of the house up, they have to paint it and get it looking presentable because it doesn't do any good to give somebody either five or fifteen thousand dollars to put in a new doors and windows when the rest of the house looks like John right, I guess where I've had is I'm not sure even Windows and doors Are allowable if they don't meet the term of all the safety stuff that with this spells out while polite is Once kind of just one second. Yeah, no, I'm just had the he's talking about. Is it in violation of code? Is it not? Okay, there's no small house On Pal Road on the north side the first or second house. He's got a sign up there for sale by own It's a blue and blueish house. And it just has, it's, it's, it's a little, it would, it would probably not, it wouldn't fail a bike criteria because people can't live in it from the appearance on the outside, but it's just a general appearance. So, and you know, that's what I'm saying is if we need anything, we need to be able to look at a property and say we can put money into this, we can put money into this and put money into this. Right. Which is one of the things that I think needs to be part of the whole CRA grant thing is, is somebody like the Coven's backer that understands what the term polite is and all that because it has to meet that requirement. Yeah. All right so the first thing is instead of people approving this stuff from sitting wherever they're sitting that somebody like the Coven's backer needs to go out there and says yes first it meets the intent of light. Right. If it doesn't meet the intent of light, I don't see how it can go any further. Right. And that's what we got. That's what we have to iron out. And then once it meets the terms of light, it's like, okay, then all the subsets will fall underneath that. Is it the roof? Is it what is causing the light? And then that will be where the attention will go Okay, well let's take a second and let's step out of the CRA realm for a second. A couple last month we presented a program for moving the police department to Mary County that say going to save us three or four hundred thousand a year. What would happen if we earmarked, say, $200,000 next year and put together a program that was not anything to do with the CRA, it was say with a limit of 20,000 per property, where people could come in and say, I want to buy this house, we rate the house to how much work it's going to need a parent-wise to get it up to something. And we go in and partners with them without the CRA so that we can try to draw in investors from outside. And I'll be honest with you. I work for a guy who went by and he does construction and he's looked at the house. He says, I'd like to go inside and see what it's going to take. But if the goal is, if we put in, say, up to $20,000, if somebody spends $100,000 on the house and we put in 20, we've gotten a four to one return on our money because the value is going up. But just rather than trying to work through the CRA, put together a program where we can actively make it so people want to come in here and buy this property and say, I'll make an extra $15,000, $10,000. And honestly, I don't care who it is, if they've got the money to come in here and put it in to invest in the property so that, as James says, one property gets better than the next becomes more valuable than the next becomes more valuable. So just something to look at down the road. I mean, every summer we'd have to do a workshop on that. We would have to. I'm all about entertaining it. I would just be careful about counting our chickens before the eggs hatch. Because the whole police thing was not based on finances, you know, it was based on we have an issue. And... No, but I was just saying it rather that there could be a different way for us to do it. A different way to use city money to it. I went but on the council for two and a half years and for what Dave said and Nothing has really gotten done Where I've seen the first application I saw was for somebody to improve their windows And I remember looking at that application thinking we paid $5,000 for windows on this house And it basically nothing else got done it got painted and And I I know there's another lady who came here who's got a Victorian house she's working on and she wants to get it done so she can get the money to get the windows done back to the original thing. So if we keep putting $5,000 into things that don't improve the whole thing. So anyway, it's just an idea for us to start thinking about. I'm with it, again, to me the most important thing is this taxpayer money. If we invest a hundred bucks, we need to be getting back 150 bucks. And if somebody can buy a house for $120,000 and just like in flip it to where the next year, it's $200,000, then that one makes the house next door to it more valuable to flip or to clean up. But we need to see that in math. We need to see that because the taxes are only going to go up so far so much. I and we need to present that in math. So you're really doing that. OK. So but again, my question is on the CRA, what can we actually do other than from what I've seen doors and windows? I'm not so sure we can do that. Right. We've been kicking this can down the road just because we've got so much other stuff coming up that takes over the priority of this and that's really where we're at. Not saying it's not important, it's just that we've got other issues that are really working this over right now. Just real quick before I forget Mr. Mayor, just kind of if you add a window or a door to a home and again not the side of the windows, not the back windows, just the front all about the facade of the front right, if you add a new roof, not maybe if the whole roof is going to cost 15,000, we are only giving you 5,000 because that's the quarter of the roof that's what we can figure that out. But yes, those items do add value to those homes. Those items are dangerous. If you go in, and I mean I've gone so many of these homes in this area that the windows are literally about to fall out of the things. If we can recreate them to look historic, that's even better for us. So I believe those things do add value to these homes and you do get your money back on them because for insurance purposes you get better windows and you get to sell your house, you get more money because the windows have been replaced because the energy efficiency. So value on the doors and the windows and a new roof and just paint on a house, it will add value to any of these houses. And I have to agree with both gentlemen that were spoke this afternoon. And I apologize for not thinking of it myself. But us demolishing these homes that are derelict and you know, that need to be demolished and isn't probably the best use for our money, even though because there are other issues they can go for. And I think our attorney might have something to say about all of this as well. Those were my comments. Thank you, sir. A few things. Going outside the CRA will present some issues, because you're using advalorem taxes essentially for private improvements. The CRA is a little bit different. I mean, technically they are taxes in a sense, but they're also tax increment funds and the recombinant. They are, that applied for a plan, and while there is a private improvement, the whole purpose is to make the community look better, to get away instantly. Now, as far as light goes, there's a good amount of flexibility in there. And I think there's some offline conversations we can talk about it and infrastructure some things and talk about what you can do and what the limits are, what you don't want to do. And I think CRAs or Gartlicks are going to be changing if not this year, in the next year or two. Certainly, as we've talked about it, there are some bills out there right now that may not come to fruition, but I think even if they do not, next year we'll be looking at potential changes to CRA legislation. So it's not entirely moving target, but I think definitely something that can communicate with Mandy about, talk offline and give you some ideas to bring back and ultimately where get you where you need to be. And so that you're using the funds the way that you want to. So long as the legislature decides to allow us to continue to be able to do so. Because right now, CREs are at an existential threat. And just one last thing. I know that there are some people even in the audience tonight that have been wanting to get to improve their homes. They're facades and they're not looking for the handout to do everything. But I think, and you're right, we've had a lot of issues hit us that have kind of put this on the back burner. But it's not fair to those people that are still trying to go forward with their lives and their projects. So if we could maybe next month really work to get this taken care of, I'm sure the citizens would appreciate it and ask to them. We don't have to keep talking about it. And it looks like we might have a gentleman in the audience that could maybe guide us if need be. He might know a thing or two about these projects. Actually, sir, before you leave, if you could leave your contact information, we have it. I have it. I asked already. I got it, OK. But I can't talk to you. No, but you can talk to her a shale. Yeah. Okay. Wally, did you have something you want to add to this? Other than that, this is extremely confusing. I do understand where we kind of got all this. We'll put the roots on how to just get replaced with roots. That doesn't seem to be what it really was. Molly, Molly, will you please pull your mic forward? I forget I have to talk into this. But, and I think what Rex put together is very good. I enjoyed reading him and it's very clear certain things do not qualify certain things do. The things that hit me are like foundation failures, sagging roofs and porches. That to me looks like that off-qualify if we've got a home that's got these problems. The other thing I'm looking at is and I look at at all this, and basically, like he said, there's three areas. Well, one of them is safety. I think when you've got a home that lends itself not to be safe, even for the communities, we ought to take a hard look at that. But I'd agree with all of y'all. I think we're going to have to have a workshop sit down and really delve into this. And I think maybe with Andrew's guidance on what he sees, maybe other cities doing, it can help us get there. I think there's plenty of, now I'm gonna say something, I have to be careful, I say this. I think there's definitely areas of not only our historic section, but other parts of this town that this ought to qualify for. Okay, as long as it's in the CRA district. And we've got some other issues I think we need to take a hard look at. The one that I seem to hear a lot about is a home that apparently is burned over here in the historic district. It's been sitting there for quite some time. And the owner doesn't want to repair it. To me, that's a safety issue. And if there's any reason to either fix it or tear it down, that's where it needs to go. But on don't know if we need to pay for that. Well, I mean, I'm just saying that is that something? And again, we'll get into this in a workshop. But I think to me, when you've got a home that's sitting on the corner of a residential area that's burned and been sitting there for a long time, and nobody seems to want to address how to repair or fix it. That invites problems in my mind. So again, I think this is something Walter, in my mind I agree with all of them. I think we need to get a real good handle on this, make some very definitive answers, because I'm like, what I've gotten from Andrew and some other folks, I don't know how long we're CRA is going to be around and we're sitting on chunk of money and I'd hate to have to give it back but I don't want to get in trouble the way we spend it so I think we need to get it resolved. When I was in Tallahassee recently, it made an event for the Florida League of Mayors. It was a meeting and it took place in the warehouse area south of the Capitol building on Monroe Street, which is an industrial area. And in the years past, that's what I thought it was, just a bunch of old industrial buildings and I never thought about it. Well, we all went down there in this bus and I was looking around, and I said, well, where in the world are they taking us? We pulled up in there, and here we are in the middle of this industrial section, and there's been a rejuvenation right in the middle of it. And they went over how they put this plan together. And that's what the entire meeting was about. So you had all the mayors that were there from old state to hear this developer and how they worked with their CRA and telehassy to go into this plighted area and create this. But they've, the structures, resemble warehouses. One of them is a brewery, one of them is a restaurant, a bar, and all kinds of activities, a coffee shop, and all this stuff is incorporated in this. So this was a plan, of course, to tell us these are 200,000 population city. None of them, of course, it's not. But in some ways it resembles what our problem is, we have pockets of problems, and some of them are just on the street corner. They're not like a whole warehouse area, like a city like Tellerassy. But they were able to partner with the CRA and go in there and work with the property owners that have surrounded it to work with them to try. How do we tie this all together and come up with something different? The developer said I could have built this on the north side of town, this modern, and not put it in the middle of this, but I wanted to rejuvenate. So when you look at CRA, CRA is meant to have a return. It's meant to be seed money to create a return of an investment. We're supposed to be taking that money, using it to enhance the value and the usability of a structure so that in turn contributes to the community. It contributes to the community in property taxes. It contributes to the community in being active in our town, not in abandoned building. So we have one nonprofit building that's been abandoned basically except for some meetings overhead for many years. Right beside Bethel, Bethel, Bethes Church, that is owned by the Masonic Order here in town. They don't have the funds to do much more with it and what's fair. So we need to try to think out of the box and when we have a nonprofit like that, It is stra has an I store building in town then we need to be the to thank out of the box enough to say how can we improve that structure if it can't be improved then maybe we should partner with them to remove it and get it down because it sits there and it's just an I store And they know and we know that and this has been going on for many years. How do we partner like with a nonprofit to do something like that? Those are the kind of things we could do that would benefit the whole community. And we have other structures in town. They've been abandoned for a long time. We have some business buildings. Well, they're not feasible. They're not feasible for anybody to use because no one is, the market is not indicated that anybody wants to put an office in there. And we know where those buildings are. So how do we work on that issue? And like we've all said, we've been kind of so busy with, with issues that have been hard pressing which they are that we've kind of set this to the side. But I think we need to refocus and see if we can get back to making the investments that will increase the value of the homes which in turn is a payoff to the citizens that are providing the money. We have good examples of that on Power Road. When George Redd, that railroad house, several years ago, it was really in bad shape. He turned that into a beautiful home. I've toured the thing inside and out. It's great. Then he took the house right next door there and did the same thing and rejuvenated that. But those are the kind of things that we can really be proud of, but those were years ago. Now it's time to move on and see what else we can do. But I want us to think out of the box with the CRA funding because the mood and telehassy that I got, it's sowered a good bit because they're worried, the legislators that I talked to said, look, we don't see the return coming back. We don't see the money managed very well. So if you see these counties can't manage the money any better than you're doing, then maybe we don't need to have it anymore. That's what I heard when I was up there. And of course, my case is we need home rule. We need to be able to make the decisions locally. All, this is a decision we need to step up and do. And I hope that now things are settling down in our city a little bit. Some of our issues that we have a concentrate on this. I understand the CRA money and the grants and all that kind of stuff that's out there for people who help. But I think more are problems that people who just have the places they do not know them. I mean, they're not applying for the CRR, we've got the burnt house he's talking about. We've ran that through the process. We've done our toe things. I've been to the magistrate with it. We've got leans on the property. Now you have all the places they're so called polite, they're just terrible to look at. but it's processed. Now you just wait for the lean process takes forever before we can move on. That lean's got to exceed exceeded value of the property. We just took the property on Thursday. Took 14 years to take that property. So the process is much stuff because we'll run it through the course, but that property is just not set. I mean, people don't like it. And they don't think people's doing stuff, But it's a process. And the end result, it's kind of set until our money exceeds and we take that property. That's where I think the fall tax, there's a lot of buildings here, the people that come knocking on our doors asking for one, I think we should knock on their doors and try to give them money. I mean, they're not looking to take the step to fix their place. We found our process and do what we have to do. Well, I think that's the reason I asked a question. I did a you and Ron earlier today was a text that I want to know what are we charging for this flight at house? How much do we charge per month? Is there any way that can be raised? Because you're right, 14 years, that's nuts. That's crazy. And I think it's 250 is about her max. She sets on a blade of property. Unless it comes back later in a safety she can go up to 500. But that's their max and like a property there. Is that a day? Yes. But that's cross scroll for the most. The second problem comes into when you pull up Mary and County's website, they look at what that property appraised at. That burn house might have been $300,000, but it ain't $300,000. How do we get somebody else back in there to say, that's not $300,000 property. That's a $60,000 property now. Right. Where's that channel at that says, we don't have to wait that long? I have that connection. Right. Well, that's the reason for the question that I was raising was, you know, we've got these problems, like you're saying, not just a house at Bern. We've got these problems, like you're saying, not just a house that burned. We've got other problems that, you know, we're assessing them and they're just, it just takes time and time and time. Well, to me, and we know what the end result is going to be, but to take 14 years is crazy. I mean, there's got to be a better way to attack this. And maybe that's what we need to do is sit down and figure out all right like you say it's the appraisal just that far off. I mean is it been appraised to two three hundred thousand and now it's basically worth what the lots worth and that's it you know. Maybe Andrew we ought to help us with what we have to do to get that done but right now you have have to run off what Mary and County says the property values that we have to set on it until Our lean to see that value of them to go. I don't try to take the property away. Okay. Well, that's again, that's something maybe we can accomplish. Let's we put this on the CRI and that's something we now have to think about. You know, how do we, it's not CRA funding, but is there a better way to attack these issues that we know what the end result's going to be, but we don't want to wait 10 or 15 years to get there? Maybe another process to end the spatial expression to think there's maybe something else out there. Yeah, we'll talk about it. Okay, I'm sorry. I think you don't want to. Well, that's fine, Wally. I think, like I said, we've stressed the fact that we've been so busy with other issues that had a lot of time to man-tune. I think it's something we can move to the front burner here. I really do. And I think the council's ready to do that. So we can schedule that, a special workshop if we can get some facts together and try to see if we can't move on some of these. That's on the grid. That's right. That's right. Yeah, I just want to bring up two more things on it. One is with roofs. Most of the time today when you buy a house, the roof is more than 10 years old. They're going to make you replace it anyway. So it's, you know, maybe that's not a high priority item. And the other one is that we did approve the money for the demolition for behind the most large to yellow building. But you go over there now. There's a big open pit big round. And that's what I brought up in the end is that we got the building torn down, but is that a bigger safety hazard now? Right. Yeah, we created another problem. So we created another problem and we spent money on something to where we still don't have a return on the other building. It's still so I agree. Maybe we'll tear it down. We need to have them level it. It's a lot. You know, even if we have to buy some dirt and put it in the hole, I mean, I agree with you. Because if it creates another safety hazard, what do we really think? We have nine. Okay. Well, does anybody know, are they interested in selling the building to where the building could be listed? Or he could get sold to anybody? Which one are we talking about now? No. A 41 on the west side, the yellow church next to it. The one where we just tore the whole thing. Right. Yeah. We can always reach out to him. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, that's it. Well, do we want to, do we want to, okay, the upcoming council meeting, do we want a status special workshop, or CRA to go over this or do we feel like we want to set the upcoming council meeting. We want a satisfaction workshop CRA to go over this or do we feel like we want to set a date for it? Or what's what's what's your ideas? I would like to see I could chance to read as Tim said the entire 163 and see if there's anything actually That says what what what what what we can do and what we can't do No, specifically two, what're looking at as far as grants. Now there's two parts of chapter 163 that clearly tell you what you can do, but it doesn't provide the detail that you'll be looking for. Right. But it gives us a framework. Well, no, and yes, because what you used to be able to do in a CREA, you had more discretion until a few years ago of the law change. When the law change, it specifically spells out which you can use money for, but it doesn't give you a list of what you can do and not do with grants. But, you know, as far as, I mean, I'm working on several grants right now that are anywhere between $16 million and $30 million for CRAs. So there's a lot of different things you can do with them, and there are some things you cannot do with them, but that's not part of the statute. Would you be able to put together a list, a general list of what we could do since you have a greater extent of knowledge than what we do. In general, what there to please utilize for sure. Would you repeat that please? Yes. Okay, thank you. Okay. I appreciate it. Thank you. I agree with all this. I think, in light we all know know what we've been struggling with. But, and I think this is very, very important. But I think we need to resolve the issue that we've been struggling with first. I don't want that thing to slip. And I hate to say it that way. But I mean, we got together with the sheriff and us, and got it resolved. We still got a big step to get the county degree with all this. But I would say as soon as that gets resolved, then I say we jump on this. But I don't want to, what I'm trying to say is I don't want to do it in the month when I know it in the month, we're still dealing with something else. I agree, Willie. You know, I hate to say that. I think this is very, very important, but the issue we've struggled with, it's getting closer and closer and closer, we need to get it done before we lose focus and go something else. I've been pretty much the figure that that's a done deal is pretty much it's going to be somewhere higher already have, but it's in my past experience, it ain't done to let everybody sign it. Okay. Okay, just, I've seen deals. I have, honest gosh, I have seen deals that you thought were done in the day of it happening all sudden it's six months later than it ain't done. You know, and I don't want that to happen. that happen. I clearly think, middle of May, this is gonna be over. But I hate to say it, we had some attorneys here and say, until they all sign off, we don't know. And we don't. Okay. Am I reading something wrong in that? In turn two. I'm referring to, we've gotten the mayor and county sheriff's department and city of Dunham pretty much agreed on this agreement. But now it's got to go to the mayor and county and the commissioners have got to agree and their attorney has to agree. I don't see any hiccups, but like I say, until that third signature is on there, you don't know. And I see this hopefully happening. What is it? The 12th, 13th of May, everything's going to kind of fall into place or anything. And what I'm trying to say is, I don't think we jump on CRI until we have a sign agreement with all this other stuff. I understand that the agreement for the Sheriff's Services will be on the mid-April agenda. April 15th, before the City Council agenda. And just another thing to point out too. Of course, whatever happens in legislative session, they conclude May 2nd. So you'll have some clarity at least as of frankly, if the bills are passed as they written and there's a lot of speculation that they may not but if they're passed as they're written it really becomes futile anyhow. I'll go inside. I'm going to pursue amendments to a grant program. I've read some of those agreements and those bills and I hope that don't pass. I mean it would be disastrous. Well, do we, Andrew, have we got a response from the county attorney yet on the agreement? Has he approved the agreement? I don't have been placed on the agenda. No, I did not receive any correspondence for a phone call from the county's office. I'm going to see them. I'm going to see our county commissioners in Tallahassee when I go there because Mary County Day is in it is thirsty. So I will visit with each one of them and explain and answer questions firsthand with them. I didn't I thought I would see Kathy a son that had a service but that was a church service and I didn't get a chance to see her but they will be there when I'm up there. Wednesday night and Thursday and I will talk to each one of them and answer their questions and all real concerns they have. I will definitely be available. And it is on the county's agenda for the 15th of April. Well and that would fall in line with me being there. But that's the thing. Tell her, Assy, because it's very difficult for me to, you know, to set appointments up for each one of them and trying to catch up with them when we have issues come up. When I'm going to have them in Tell her, Assy, this week at this event. No, I'm not. And that's an all day event. I will be having time to visit with each one of them. That would be wonderful. That's the biggest thing on my agenda there. That is right. We just put CRA and then we'll get into this. But it's very difficult to explain to a legislator that we have this huge big pile of money that we're not using. It's been sitting there and it's taxpayers money. So it gives someone the position, the thought that if they're not going to use it, why is it being piled up in this fund? So we want to be careful that we're not taking taxpayers money and just setting it aside somewhere when it should be used. So they look at, are you being fruitful in your effort? No, I totally agree. That's what I think they look at. Because if we don't use it, I think we're allowed to lose it. That's the point I'm trying. That was a nice way. While you say it really, you know, I'm trying to make it to the fin that we need to be 100 to $1,000 in a CRA fund. It's hard for me to defend that when we have so many needs. We just went over this high level. We got all kind of needs. Oh, why not? You just got to figure out how to spend it. That's exactly. $10,000 in the CRA fund. It's hard for me to defend that when we have so many needs. We just went over this high level. We got all kind of needs. You just got to figure out how to spend it. That's exactly what we're talking about. Well, and that was just my one last point on CRA if we can get a police permit, except thing next. But please remember, we don't have to just use our CRA funds for grants. We can use them for a plethora of other items. We have 50,000, we have 50,000 for residential, we have 50,000 for commercial for grants. The rest of the money that's earmarked to grants, the rest of the money is for projects. All right, so people ask how much do you have in there? I think we have a million plus in there, something around there. And then everybody, it burns a hole in everybody's pocket. We have over $600,000 of that money dedicated to roads this year. Right. So, you know, because I've heard it a few times, that money's just sitting there. Now, I know in the past it has. That's not the case now. Right. and we have roads in the CRA district that are in horrible condition. And so let's just say we have 400,000 that's not committed right now that's not part of the grants. What we're getting ready to do is take a look at that part of the money piece of the money and get the roads that we know are going to need work in the into the years year here we're getting the ones that are in horrible shape. And I'm getting ready to go out there and do the rest of these roads and get them into the last five years of where we get the most tax dollars back for the 10-year formula. So that money's not just sitting there doing nothing. It know, it's for projects now. Again, like Andrew, you know, the legislation, if it comes out and it goes the way they're talking, as of October 1, if it goes through, nobody can put any more projects on the books. Right. You know, so May 2nd will know, so we'll have- We'll be doing projects. Right. But, you know, so that happens right. We'll be dedicating to that money, but we cannot forget, it's marrying county money that comes here, it's done Ellen money that comes here, that is the tax payers' money, and their roads are in horrible shape, and that is the can that we've been kicking down the street forever with doing other projects and those have suffered and it is time for us to get back these citizens roads in shape to them. Absolutely. Tim, what you've grown up is exactly the point I make that I can express that to them because I hear, I was expressing what I hear. Gotcha. But what I tell them, we do have issues and we are trying to deal with and those funds are being used. Thank you. Thank you. But what we did in the rejuvenation of the buildings and things gets into another conversation. Right. Right. That's a whole separate basket of them. Oh absolutely. Absolutely. But I think what Wally suggested that we hold off on it until we iron out this training should we go ahead and hear about it just a minute. That sound good? Yeah, just want to wait a minute. Right, because I want to throw two other things out here, so everybody knows what's on the staff's table right now. We have to finish up the STR stuff, so we have quite a bit to do there. The other thing that we're going through right now is we're going through a fairly intensive DEP audit that in the last two weeks has used up 99.9% of Mandy's time, significant amount of chas time, and naturally it's using up Mandy's time is using up her staff time. So that is the load that our resources are carrying right now. I'm not minimizing the CRA, but we have to get through the SDR and we have to get this DEP audit is we don't have a choice to get through that. We're talking fines and some ugly numbers if we don't get through that. I fully agree. And then catch up with a special meeting. I'm off for that. I agree, Tim. Our staff is stressed right now. We're trying to accomplish these goals. And like you said, it is very important. Right. It needs to be handled and manned in Michelle. And the whole staff is working so hard to try to get it done. Mandy's had her door closed all week trying to stay concentrating on this and and she to be commended and so is Michelle for working so hard to try to solve this issue. Jim, I know you're aware of it and the rest of the council also. That's the reason I hadn't showed up all week, Mandy. It's only the second day. It's only the first day in, guys. Well, I didn't show up last week either. Yeah. Last week, so it was just too easy. Did we want to go any further on the CRE? Did we just go to the office? I think we're good. All right. Well, let's move on to item 5B, Dunnell and Cleach Department. Good. Who wants to begin this presentation? Ron, did you want to, if the man he was going to do it? Yes. So Council, I know that I had communicated with all of these several options that we were looking at to try and do something for the officers who will be leaving out of the pension fund. And after consulting with a specialized pension attorney, those options, it's turned out because of some IRS tax regulations and things that could put us in a predicament where it could put our plan in some sort of jeopardy if we were to try and pay out anything to unvested participants. So The sheriff's department has already abroad in their six officers six deputies to start controlling Denellen and so as a way to try and come up with something for these officers to help them in this transition would be to go ahead and give them leave, since we have the coverage, we don't need the coverage now and put them on leave with full pay and benefits until the May 13th date that they would separate service from the city. And I have spoken to the labor attorney about this, I've spoken to Andrew about this, and I've spoken to the Florida PVA that represents the union members, and they were very pleased with that option. and it would give the officer's time to focus on finding new jobs, seeking employment, going to job interviews. So what I would propose, if you're on board with this, I'm sorry, I meant to pass these out, is I did prepare a letter that also has been reviewed by the labor attorney. And I've also sent that to the DBA with notice that this is something that we're going to propose for the officers. And they were very receptive to that. So if this is something that you feel like you can support, then we can go ahead and move it forward. If I could interject, the sheriff's office is also on board with all this. Yes. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm just the very last paragraph. It says your benefit pack for a minute through May 31st. That's correct. Okay. The benefits are monthly. Okay. So there's a help, a lot of the vision, whatever they have, they would have that coverage through the end of the moment. I was making sure that's how I read it, but I just want to make sure. Mandy, you and I discussed this earlier, and I think this is a good thing for the officers that they can't go forward and not have to worry about trying to reschedule and trying to figure out how we can get you know people on if they have job interviews and such So I think this is a win-win for everyone have to show you know some sheriff's departments ready to roll which of course they are so And if you know county doesn't approve of our agreement, you know, we'll go from there but I don't think we can have any issues with the county. I don't think so. I've got to move forward and if it's gone to the if it's going before the board on the 15th and you haven't seen any comments back from Attorney or the county attorney I will think if there was a problem that we would know about it. Yeah. Next, the jail. Okay, it's my understanding now that the six officers are now controlling. Yes sir. And it's being given, it's being given to us by Mary County and it's not affecting the original things. So basically they are covering us for free. Yes sir. Okay. Lolli. Oh I think I'm making sure I'm speaking. I don't have problem with this at all. I think it is a very safe way to do this for the citizens. I also think it's very good for the officers, like I say, gives them additional time to figure out what they're going to do next and what their opportunities may be and give them more time. They also, given them the medical insurance and whatever else they have through the end of the month, I mean, that really will help to disorders having to rush out and find something. Whereas the other way it was gonna lead right up to the May 15th, and then they were gonna have to start looking for a job. This gives them actually another moment to do that. I have no problem with this. Jim. I'm good, take it. I am too, Mandy, I think this is this is proper. These officers have served the city and I think we're treating them well. This gives them an opportunity to get adjusted, move forward with their careers and provide, as you said, Wally, the health insurance to the end of so they're not pushed into a corner trying to get their life in line. I'm pleased with this. Was there any other council comments on it? I mean, you know, on the police in general, or? I'm pleased with the way you've done some suggestions. No, I just wanted to make a suggestion. I've talked to Catherine Bray for about this that where I came from in Miami, Palmetto Bay, we did the same thing, we had the county, one of the things the county did was the county, all the cars assigned to Palmetto Bay had a decal on the bottom of the said Palmetto Bay that identified those, and I was wondering if the Marion County Sheriff's Department would be agreeable to doing that with our cars because I feel that if our people saw the Mary County cars with a Den Allen tag on the bottom and that Identified it as their police officers Then if they it would give them a greater sense of ownership of the police department So all the cars assigned to our actual city are going to say just a little magnetic sign that says done out on it. So the people will be able to see that it's that engineering school. I just heard you say what? Theino and Luz go. Yeah. Somewhere. That would be up to the sheriff's department to be able to do. We can. I think it I think it's a good suggestion, but I think if we were going to make suggestions, we should, you know, we should have done this a little earlier. You should understand because this is already in transition. Okay. I'm just saying that I think it's not a bad idea, but I'm certain that we've got so much on the plate now. I know. But I do think it's a good idea. It actually gives him some ownership of it. Oh, a very important department. Yeah. Wally, anything else? I'm just like you. I think we're too far down the road to come back and want to add this now. It might have been a good idea, but I think now we've gotten this pretty far and we're coming up seven days from now. The county may sign on this, and I think it's to try to change something. Might not work. If it works great, if it doesn't work, I wouldn't push it. Okay. Okay, Tim, do you have anything? No, I'm good, I agree. Okay, well we, we, so we see, it's the consideration of the council that this would be something we'd place on the agenda to our relevant meeting. They don't need to place us on the agenda. We don't need action, man. If you were open to this and my recommendation, then you can just give me authorization to move forward. I thank you, ma'am. Yes. Support. That's what I've heard here from our council. Yes. Okay. Now, it's a, maybe for you report and we'll turn it over to Ryan and Michael. I should have the additional questions. All right. Do you have anything for us over here? Well. Oh, good. We restarted on the fifth. So on Saturday, I brought my team over. I'm sure most of you saw them run around the city already. Just in the two days we've done 32 traffic stops, we've made four rest. One's DUI, one was drug related. So they've already been undervent proactive. I think they wrote about 22 parking citations just on Saturday and Sunday alone from over here. So they are very excited to be here. All six of them I had a meeting with them last week and they were very looking forward to it and you got to remember the deputies that did come over. They were volunteers. Yeah. We literally sent an email out and said who would like to help us out over in the city of Demelts. So they They took it upon themselves to approach us to want to be here. I mean, so they're very excited to be here. During this past week with the bird worries, I think we gave most of you updates on it, but I do want to bring the detective up who worked hours and hours and hours and got a full profession and re-entered up close in cases so I was going to come up and let him talk to you for a minute. Just so that way we got it on record and everybody kind of knows what happened with those cases because I know the last time we were here there was a lot of questions from the citizens about those burglaries. I want to say I appreciate y'all being here. I heard it hearing Saturday that you were writing tickets and I was excited. Because this was something we were struggling with. Okay, mainly the parking here at City Hall, parking all over town, the speed. I'm glad you don't stepped up and hopped on it. I sent you a couple of text messages today and the other day and some pictures and I'll respond to them immediately. I appreciate it. I can definitely see that you guys are stepping up and I appreciate it. Did your website update it on the fines because the complaints regott wasn't that they got tickets? The complaints regott was that it was $100 and it's supposed to be 50. That's literally what the complaints were. We got three. That's probably because they got them before. Before. That's what I think. That's why I was wondering if the website said 100. No. Yeah. They were trying to tell us it's supposed to be 50. I also heard about some of the people on the river complaining about their teeth. Our boat guy took some conversations. Yeah. That's a good way to put that in. I wish you do. Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor and distinguished members of the council. Those of you who have been interested enough in your local civics to participate and come out, I appreciate you. It is still an active investigation for that reason a lot of what is going on, what measures we are actively taking place, proactive and reactive. I'm not going to detail some of those so that I can deliver you a greater result in the end. I don't want to make a sacrifice now by bringing the audience, the recording and everybody into the investigation. Sure. We were able to obtain a confession for six city of denellants, incidents. Do any do adjust that? I can do so if you'd like. You can just tell me the hell. So we were able to attain six confessions on Tuesday. We were also able to attain a Citrus County Sheriff's Office Confession for one of their unsolved incidents and evidence for that. And the rest for that should follow and that will be the same suspect as the rest of the New York cases. As I said, the investigation continues. I anticipate more arrests. And as you indicated, Mr. Mayor, you are evidence-based and as am I. I cannot just go in there with what I believe to know. It has to be what I can prove. And that's where we're at for now. Does anyone have any questions on what's going on? So, well, now will you be the detective for Dunnellan? I anticipate as much, but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, we're not, yes. I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'm so excited. Yeah. I, uh, yes. Congratulations. Well, I appreciate that. Oh, yes. So. That is great. We appreciate you coming over here in L. Yes. Congratulations. Well, I appreciate that. I hope. Yes. That is great. We appreciate you coming over here in L.F.A. and being so involved in taking care of our citizens. So thank you. Of course. I would say I definitely appreciate this. This is drug on a long time. And I get asked all the time, where do we stand? Where do we stand? and all I've been able to say is there's working on it. And I'm glad I got the email this week saying what was going on. And I do think understanding legal procedures and stuff, you can't release a lot of information. But as soon as you can, it would be great if you could get it to Austin Miller or a few other newspapers and the citizens would know very quickly. Absolutely, and I'm always, my office is open to any of you who want to come and meet with me, want to find out a little bit more. Obviously, the scope of a setting is going to determine what I'm willing to disclose. There are going to be some things that in a public forum, I may not want to disclose, but in a private setting it'd be more than happy to talk about. I am big on transparency with the public, but there are different measures that could be sacrificed in doing so at this point in time. Much like poker or blackjack. I don't necessarily want to show you that I have an A's and a 10 if we're betting against each other. And I have to anticipate that one of the persons that may learn about information past night, maybe the other person across from me on that poker or Blackjack deal. Absolutely. I understand. Absolutely. Got it. Anything else? Right. No, I just want to say just so people out there who maybe listening know at the last meeting Several residents did bring up something about the burglaries and I asked specifically What you would do different and I was told that you were going to we were going to get A detective assign full time and I want to say thank you to the Marion County Public Safety Department because you did what you did and we've now got results. Yes sir. Thank you. And you'll continue to see them so. Yep. Anybody else has anything else? Anything else? I'm good. I'm just like the others. Thank you so much that had this community upside down. Had the residents very worried that we're going to switch from businesses to homes. And y'all did exactly what you said you were going to do. Thank you for your hard work. Absolutely. Absolutely. I really appreciate y'all. And I will take that moment to also acknowledge that although I am the one speaking and receiving credit for those actions, it was very much a joint effort between a variety of different people behind the scenes as well as the face of our agency. Whether it was Sergeant Moore, Lieutenant Wilwinkel and others, if I asked for something, I immediately perceived it. It was very much an accommodating process to investigate. So I do appreciate that. And I've received cooperation from Captain Bray, a DPD as well as obviously the city of Denellin. Thank you very much. Y'all take care of office is open. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, I go through local news and stuff every morning like most folks at some point. And seems like Sheriff Woods gets beat up. And I know it comes with territory. But do you think we could, as a city, send Sheriff Woods a thank you letter for him, his organization, signed by the mayor for the steps they've taken and not only the steps they've taken but the results that they've obtained. Just like I said, he gets so much, many nasty grams, I think it would be nice if we put out the effort and at least let him have one, thank you in his pocket from the entire city. I think it's a very good idea to him. I applaud it to this is such welcome news to the community. Right. Because I have, as Wallis said, I have gone to see these some of these business people after they were burglarized and it's very sad for me to see people put their life savings into a business and have someone try to destroy their savings. And that's exactly what it is. It's an invasion of their life and hopefully this is an end to this. And we applaud the Sheriff's Department at all their efforts in the valley.. We certainly do and I'm oh heartedly and I know Mandy can word something it'll just sound just great. Valerie volunteer to write it. All right. So there we go. We got us to do right. We're going to need somebody. Volunteers. Volunteers. There we go. That's got that got it off man. He's dead. That's right. Did any, Ron, did you have anything you want to present? You're good. All right. Okay. Well, let's go on then. Where are we going to go here now? We're going to 680. Good for that. Right? Yeah. 680. Media maintenance agreement. AGR-004-03. Thank you all for waiting around. I just moved them up first. I know I thought about that, but I'm going to show what we're doing. I'm going to need her. Who wants to start that media chat? Chad, you want to do that? This FDOT media maintenance. 6A on the second page. I can take it. You want to tell him, boy, let's go forward. Because a few of us involved. Everybody's wondering who's going to do it. Okay, basically it looks like in 2004 we went into an agreement with FDOT. When the media were put in place to basically put Foley Jenner blah blah blah. They actually gave the city around, well it was maxed out. I don't know how much we actually spent, but the maxed FDOT was going to contribute was 43,000 to put all the bushes, plants, trees, et cetera in there. Some of that foliage has become an issue over the last couple months. We just had to go and remove four trees because they're billboard act. So there's something about, they can't be so high, obscuring billboards, et cetera, et cetera. But we're also getting into the issue with these trees. We're also growing large. And they're getting past the point where it's feasible for our public works to maintain those. We're also getting to the point where we're worried about risk, whereas all industries, whether it be guardrails, whatever, the auto manufacturers, you know, they're all doing the, how to do crumple panels, crunch panels, so that takes up all the absorbs the energy, so the person's not doing it. And now we got these big old trees out there that somebody runs into that's not going to absorb any energy. And so we've got that. We've got the agreement was that the city would maintain these islands for the duration. But what's going on is we have F dot going down doing both sides of 41 and we're putting our public works folks out there on the island on the medians in little 200 as you like to refer to it Mr. Mayor and I've gone out there in the medians with them myself and it's like if you want to rush that's a be a good job if you're looking to go home at night, may not have a lot of confidence that's going to happen. So, right through the agreement, and basically, we just have to look like is remove the trees, notify FDOT that we would like to get out of this agreement and what they would come back with is a list of whatever bushes, what they want us to restore those islands to is the way the agreement reads. So if we remove the trees and that's plenty for them, We can do that if they reach back out to us and say take it down to just sod. We would have to do that and then we could turn the islands or the median back over to F dot. But before we went any further, I just want to reach out to the council and see if that's a direction that y'all are okay with going. Okay. Fairly. Um. see if that's a direction that y'all are okay with going. Fairly. Y'all talk for some ponderant, what I want to say. I think it's a good move. One of the things about trees, the trees have roots, and how long is it going to be before the trees can begin up before the roots start affecting the roots. Right. So, yeah, I think it's a good move. Since trees, I don't really recall the amount of trees, but maybe we could also look at planting some other trees outside the mediums or on our side and trying to give people to improve that look. So it's not just a barren strip of grass all the way up and down. Right, now on the mediums themselves, it would depend on what F.com's back with and tells us what they want it restored to. And then, I mean, they do own the islands. We just have an agreement that we will maintain them. To get out of the agreement again, we would have to restore them to what, which I don't know if it's gonna be solid or just take the trees out and leave the bushes as fine. Okay. Okay. And then anything else, wherever else, yeah, we can come up with what anybody would like to do. Yeah. It does look, it does look weak in 41. I would like to see it looking a little nicer. Right, right. Wally, I think we need to take trees down. So, and just be done with it. Take all the plans out. And I'm listening to this thinking, these trees are problem. These trees are problem. Two large to transplant. I assume. So, not only that. That was going to be my only thought as anyway we can salvage any of them. If there's not, then definitely just get rid of them. What we discovered is when public works took out the four trees that when they put them in, the root balls, they wrapped in like wire fencing, carried that over to the next tree root ball. We're only guessing this so when a storm come in it wouldn't send you know like Mary Poppins off somewhere. So they're not, you know, they're not transferable is the okay done challenge. Okay. Good deal. So, no, you know, I guess you know and because I was kind of, thes was a huge thing I mean just may you remember that Because a DOT was just gonna see men as in That's all they were gonna do back then that's why if if I'm going off my memory correctly That's why we walked at making it beautiful Great murals because I, like when you get a Madison, through Madison County, that's all they ever had, was beautiful, great murals up and down those ropes. Now, what's there now? I haven't been in a while. So, I just don't want us to see us back to Seaman, and it's just a strip of road that you're getting from point eight, point being you're not blinking twice when you're going through Denna. That was the backstory of why we did those meetings, why we took them on as projects. I understand 1% about the danger that could be involved in. And like you've all said, none of us thought our road could be as busy as they are now. I mean, I would have never have guessed that. We're talking 20 years later. Oh, well, yeah. So, my only thing is that I just don't want us to see us going down to see that. I would fight tooth and nail on that. If not standard right now, looks like it's leaning towards sod for everything. And with the new mediums that they're going to put in on the road projects and stuff north of here Everything on their drawings has a sod on the medium now my only thought just because of being on TPO and and The TPO having to go to FDOT. What are you coming? They they're manpower for doing their own yard maintenance is sometimes slower than people like. So that's just something we need to keep in mind. Right. They do the side right now of 41, all the right ways. Oh, I know. Right. Not been any issues that I've seen there, Chad. Have you? No, they were always just doing it. Well, I'm talking, I mean, when I was on TPO, that was a lot of the problem was like, when a yacht comes to do underneath the I-75 and just saying F-D-O-T is a general, sometimes has a hard time getting to their maintenance. So just, we need to be prepared for that. So. In the early comments. So what is it that you're looking to do to get out of this agreement? Yes, ma'am. Okay. We have a caveat that they can't make it seem it. Well, you know what? Well, we'll talk to it and we'll ask them exactly what they want. Okay. Again, they're going to tell us what we have to restore it to. Okay. And, but yeah, we'll have that conversation. And if it turns out to be cement, we will be back here before we move further. I think that's justified. I think we'd rather have grass if we can. We don't have enough pavement with it. Right, I agree. I agree. Anything else on it? No, sir. All right, let's move on. Item ordinance is 7th pay ordinance or D202503 Stonewater Management. Because out of them are a Chad. I think it's a Mandy. That's a Mandy. How did Mandy get in there? I'm wondering. That's why her door has been closed. I'm going to name it on. I'm happy to look. Maybe give us the short version if you can. The short version is a few minutes ago, Vice-Larian keeps both about the EP audit that we've gone through. And it was a request from the EP that we amend the ordinance, just some tax amendments to the ordinance to suit them. That's all it is. Okay. All right. Any questions to Mandy on that? Yes sir. We'll have first reading next week. I have one question. I mean I first I was kind of confused why we were even doing this then I realized it was to replace something we already done but this few will have to sign something like that. I mean they manage our suit. This doesn't have anything to do with the sewer system. Oh this is just storm. Oh okay got it. Never mind. That's all ahead. Okay. We're going to item number eight. Resolutions eight. A resolution RES 2025. Zero 9. Vac vacation rental registration extension. And this is changing the enforcement date from April 1st to May 1st. Right. Because we need a little bit more time to finish getting software implemented. Okay. Anybody have any questions or may I be able to call them out? No questions? see one. Any more? Shall we consider it yet? Not going to consider it yet? Yeah. No, we got, that's a resolution. We got, we got a vote on it. All right. We'll move on in to, uh, proclamations, 9A proclamations, PRO 2025, that's 01, water conservation. No, sir. 8B. Oh, I'm sorry. I, oh yeah, yeah, let's don't do that. Resolution RES 2025-11. Visible year 2425, Florida Department of Environmental Protection, FDEP, budget amendment. This is the amendment for the funding. Is that correct that I signed? This is the pay for all the pain that DEB is for. Let's do we get the pay for it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. We have to renew our permit every five years. And this snuck up on us. And we were not aware that number one, it was time for us to renew our permit. And number two, that we had to pay $5,625 in order to do so. So it was not in the budget. So this is a budget amendment moving that money from General Fund unrestricted to roads and streets line item which will now have a project code in the budget. So it's clearly identified. We'll flag that so we make sure it gets in the budget every five years. So this is just a request to approve this resolution making this budget amendment because I've already milked check. Can this be on the consent agenda? Ask for forgiveness, right? Okay, this feeling of consent agenda is for the liaison. You got to be on the vote. We'll vote on it. Is that okay with everybody? Everybody's in line with that? That's always fine. All right. Now we'll go to a proclamation. 9-A proclamation. TRO-2025-101 Water Conservation Month. This is part of the request, Andy. Yes, sir. The requesting that we do. Yes. That's fine. We want to confirm that we are in agreement with them. Yeah, it was it was an easy one that we do every year. Everybody said, yeah, that's fine. Are they coming to receive it or just? Okay, so there will not be a presentation. We'll just send it to, I think we should send it to the Waterline Industry. I recall. That can get along. The consent. That can be all consent. Any questions on that? No sir. All right. All right, with the one entry department report, it's the item number 10. Who wants to start? Chad, why do I keep saying channel? I don't really have anything. I would just like to set something up maybe with Andrew or Council Hester or wherever I'd like to look into a little more into what we do to get these properties. Take care of him and get him out here instead of waiting for a 14 year period and we're waiting on. I think there's a different process. Okay. I got one thing. When we had all that rainy day, Sunday we had here. And we got, I guess maybe two, three inches of rain that day. When all that kind of cleared up a little bit, I got an acarimate down there and took a look down there by the bingo hall, and I saw a lot of dry payment. So those drains are serving that purpose. All these years that pavement is suffered because that water sat on it, and we always had those potholes there, but those drains aren't doing the job And we had a good rain, and I was so glad to see that. That's a good improvement, Chad. Then we stepped the pavement there, and that little extra to put that second rain in to cure up the pavement. The same problem for it. Well, like I say, I went down there. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to see if we had that good rain. Well, the fish is going to be standing, it's going to be standing that day. And it was all drained, and I was very pleased. Yeah. And that included the parking lot too. It's draining right. I mean, I didn't see. and it was all drained, and that was very pleased. Yeah. Oh, and that included the parking lot too. It's draining right. I mean, I didn't see any water like it used to be. There's been everything that's split in the middle of the pool and running in shren. Now, it looks good. Now, it looks fine. Anybody have a question for Chad? I'll send a photo to the other. Call me in about the rain. based on what Chad is asking. Is that something that we can tie in with the sea? I know it's going to be probably two months out. Is that something that would make sense to tie in with that CRA meeting? Or is that something separate? What am I missing? Kind of be more man-driven question. We just talk about meaningful closure. Okay. OK, gotcha. OK. So the weight and the time length we've been waiting on, I mean, after just setting, we've got leans on. But you're setting. I will say that if it's a homestead property, homesteads, you can't touch. So if it is, but we can talk about it later, but if that's the primary, the problem, you're already aware of that, of course. In the, I know, that house at home set, when it's not livable. They have to put it in their homes, that they put it in their, we can't touch it. Yeah, but they're having to live someplace. I mean, the whole thing about home set is you have to be living in the property on December 31st. You can't foreclose on the property that's homesteaded. And oftentimes you do have that situation now if it's if there's other issues. I mean, I'd love to know where are they living now? Did they buy in their house? Oh, just like you said, Valley, that's one issue. The appraisals are another issue. You know, they're appraised for way more than they're ever going to be. I can tell you what I can sell it for. You know, so that's the multitude of things that chats up with as far as code enforcement. So maybe it's the best way that we need to work on with our legislators. Right. And your skirt time, please, Chad. Chad, have anything else? Any questions for Chad? Yes, sir. Chad, I was wondering, I know you guys are busy with the storm water, but could you look at ordering replacement lights for all the lights on Pennsylvania Avenue and getting those working? Thank polls are like the globe. I thought we, are you talking about those land posts? Which we just wanted to say, what light do you have? The land posts, the lights, some of them are broken and a lot of them are. Those are on our hands. Those are private property. Let me just give you a quick history. back in the 2000s, the historic district did those. Everybody thought them. My aunt sold them to them. That's why I know this. And those are privately owned. Whereas private property. Yeah, I mean, it was something that the city who went out we did, they all did it, but. But they're all private. They're all private. We have a couple of them in our parking lots. and the other part that we did they all did it but they're all probably we have a couple of men are parking lots and then yeah the parking lot we've been in that might have been back in the 90s even no no that was 2000 I was here okay any anything else for Chad all right who else do I see another soul over here in finance. I've just been trying to get finished getting the general ledger straightened up from the fusion. I'm trying to get those wrapped up for Lane and Milton. Keep on calling, I Lane, I know. I know that's all right. I'll dare you. Thank you. That one has been finalized, but we're just waiting on payment on that one. So, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Anybody else in the other department report? Just with Ron, just for quick. We're going to, next month, I guess, or what are we going to... Anybody else in the other department report? Just with Ron, just for quick. We're going to, next month, I guess, or what are we going to fix him for being captain and salaries and stuff like that? When is that kind of going to be a discussion for us? Where I thought we would, well, when we discussed it tonight, it was a police issue. But that we're going to vote on it. Putting... Well, when we discussed it tonight, it was a police issue. But I thought we were going to vote on it. Put in Ron or somebody's got a better idea. Right. In place when we approved the final agreement with the county. Oh, okay. I just don't want us to. I just feel like we're weakening him. And you have to try. How will I do it? Thank you, sir. Okay. Any other department report? Anybody else? Council comments? Who has a council comment? Um. Oh no, I'm getting ready. I have one and I want it. I want to think about it. I think the sheriff, Sergeant, said something tonight about the fines were $50 and maybe now $100. I want to look at it sometime. I want to look at all fines that we pay or that I should say for all tickets parking and speeding, what are our fines and are they reasonable? And I brought this up years ago when I was on the council before when when I got a $350 speeding ticket in Georgia and found out we only charged $50. Well, I thought that was a little ridiculous. So I think at that time it had changed, but my question is, you know, I want to know what all our fines are, you know, like this boat thing we're running into. And we're writing tickets now. And again, my point is, if we run a ticket for 25 or 50 bucks for parking, people may or may not get excited about that. But if we run a ticket for enough money, they'll quit parking like that. And that's the point. It's not to raise money. It's to get them to quit parking. Same thing was feeding. And apparently, Sheriff is doing a great job doing that. The other thing is this thing with I really want to understand this whole thing with Blight burned out houses, what our penalties are. Are they as high as we can make them? Is there something we can do different? Now I'm really, I'm not probably going to have to down with you and just discuss this, because I listen to this and I go, man, it's just doesn't make sense. Like you're saying, takes 14 years for us to get a piece of property. Well, that's insane. You know, and that legally, that may be what we have to do. But my question is, is there something we could do different? For sure, how much we can do different? Cause it's a judge's ruling. She could see Macy assesses that on. So I believe that's on her. Is this the magistrate? We're talking about, yeah. Well, that's what I really want to understand. Again, to me, we've got blight, and then we've got burned out houses. Okay, that's blight. And we've got houses on different parts of this city you drive by and go. There ain't no way somebody living in this thing. But they probably are. Because they've kind of taken over the house. And you look at it, there's no power, there's nothing. but and that to me is a safety issue. How do we address that and is there anything else we can maybe Chad I may just sit down with you and just try to understand this. That's a hand-rooted me a different two because he has a lot of the answers we're asking. Yeah you know what I was going to is, Wally Chad mentioned he was going to get with Andrew. Can you be the third party? Sure. I mean, I would love to understand this, but I have somebody in my house who brings this up to me all the time. Okay, and I'll be polite, and she's not here, and that's good. But she's always bringing up to me. Well, have you seen this, if you've seen that, if you know, what can we do about this and whatever? But I really would like to understand, if there's nothing we can do, then there's nothing we can do. And then I can go tell her there's nothing we can do, and she'll leave me alone. But if there's something we can do, should we do it? And again, if it's changing the way we approach it, going to the magistrate, I mean, I understand judges or judges. But. And again, it's changing the way we approach it, going to the magistrate, I mean, I understand judges or judges, but I just like to understand always. So yeah, I could get together with a phone call where you guys maybe understand this. I just, I'm right around, and again, I don't get excited about when there's doors and all that and how to fix up houses and CRA. But, you know, the blight does bother me. I mean, we got some homes. I mean, you drive mine. You can't even see the house unless you happen to look through the trees and see it sitting back there and you wonder, but you can kind of see a road where somebody's driving back there. But that's it. And it's like, surely we can do something with this. That's it. Okay. That's all I got. Well, I just want to say, I think we're married to the same person. I don't think so. I know I'm going to get trouble. I know I'm going to get trouble for that. But you hear the same thing. No, no, no. I do. And you know what? I really got a hand into them because there's people like that and I wish more people who look at something like that and say it could be better and bring it to our attention. Because really the problem we've got is the apathy of the people who look at things like that and say it's good enough. Right. No, no, I totally agree in it. I joke about my wife, but she can find things. I grab agree. I joke about my wife, but she can find things. I drive by something 50 times and I don't see it. Yeah. And she'll drive by once. Look at that. Look at this, you know, and it's like, and I wish more people... I wish more people were like them. And if anybody's out there listening, and once I get involved, come down and talk to us. Yes. Hey, Neil. It's too late, Brett. She's already mad. Yeah. She's mad at me. And Chad, I'm sorry. I hear about you all the time. Hey, you have easy bellies. You just said something though, Wallet. And our agreement, forgive me guys, if it's already in there and I'm just not remembering it Are we gonna have like we write a place a Speeding ticket and I don't know what it is because I don't speak because I follow the speed But all the time But are our fees Going to have to match the sheriff's fees or the sheriff's fees are fees? I don't see here we go There you go here you go Yeah. There are a lot of people who are not interested in this. I think it's a lot of people who are interested in this. I think it's a lot of people who are interested in this. I think it's a lot of ticket, depending on the situation. Obviously, it's based on location, speed zone, and then the amount of speed. I can see you. Oh, I get it. So that is not an ordinance. Now, do we have speeding fines in the current ordinance? Yes. But we've always chose to use the Florida statute because that has a bigger impact. Just when he said it, it just kind of was like a little like an old gosh-win in here. Correct. Something that we might have not thought about. And it was this last July of 2024 that we got the final resolution for the increase to the $100 for the parking spot because it you know what council member Dunl is talking about people would say $50 the cheapest parking right and I've gotten you know because other places throughout the state it's $25 to take your boat out and $25 to put your boat in so they kind of look at it that way and then just pull right up on the grass. Not everybody, but so they buy that, you got the council increasing that, put a little more sting on it, and this will be the first season that you will start seeing that. Right, so no. And they're starting to feel this. Well, that's what I heard this weekend, when they started getting tickets and they started complaining, I can't believe how big the ticket was. Well, I'm glad. And this. Well, that's what I heard this weekend when people started getting tickets and they started complaining, oh, I can't believe how big the ticket was. Well, I'm glad. And I don't want to sound that way other than the fact they are, they're not parking where they're supposed to park. And before I think it was like, yeah, $50, I can sit here all day. I don't care. Correct. And again, it's not a revenue source. No, we are seeking compliance. No, absolutely. And that's been echoed by every single council member here from the rich into the choir. Right. But yeah, just so you know about that. No, good, thank you. And Walter, my wife, I was just in the meeting and I just got the text. And no. No. Well, while you'll find that when he gets home, I'll hear about it on your home. Did anybody have any other council comments? Anybody else around? Well, I will'll find out when he gets home, I'll hear about it when I get home. Did anybody have any other council comments? Anybody have anything else around? Well, I will tell you that I did go to Tellanassi and for the Florida League of Cities and Florida League of Mayors meeting, it was very fruitful. A lot of, I did get to see all of our legislators within our area, not only the ones that represent specifically the none but but the ones that connect. Now some of them I got spend more time with and others because of committee hearings but I did get to see them all and if with councils with councils okay I'd like to go back Wednesday for Mary County days and then I'll come home after Mary County Days on Wednesday, I mean Thursday. This will give me the opportunity to meet with our County Commissioners because they'll be there for Mary County Days. And this way I can meet with them individually, like they can meet with me, just like we can't meet with them without them. For that to be a no, recorded. But it was very fruitful. I learned a lot, and like I said, the rejuvenation of that project in Tallahassee was very interesting. And it was a very good presentation. Did you have any voice-narkin? Yeah, no, go ahead. I was talking with it. And the voice-narkin was a good role. Yes, yes. And I'm going to have further conversations Third the only okay, so they are there was a here there was a hearing on it the day Before no two days before I got there it came before committee and what it happened was it was it was a Senate committee And it passed on a three to two I think the but the other two individuals involved that voted for it are insisting on some changes in the law before it they will vote for it as it progresses so what's happened is the senator Pasadomo from from Naples who used to be Senate President and now just Senator gone back to be Senator. She'd be terminated I think shortly. But she voted for it but she said there's going to be some changes in that bill before she would accept it. And so did the other one. The other one. Because our representative is sponsoring and pushing it. Yes, and I did meet with Stan, but he was on his way to a committee meeting me. But we did talk about it briefly, and he tried to spend as much time as he could with me to explain it. But I will see him go this trip, definitely, and I don't have time for him. What happens is you get up there, and have to fit in their schedule and they've got committee hearings and they've got things going on. And I did not have a problem seeing all of us. But I had to squeeze in when I could. But with Mary and County days, there'll be more active, I think. And I'll focus on our county. So I'll have more time with a Awesome. Yeah, I think it'll be very fruitful. And I will continue to express our desire, you know, about our CRA and I will be exactly what you mentioned to him and what I've said before. We are, we are cooperating the project and they are necessary for our community and I will stress that. Okay. And you'll let Stan know, keep his hands off our continent. I will talk to Stan. I'll see him. I'll see him wins tonight. Thank you for doing that. Anything else? I was trying to mention something. If I may before I forget. The software provider for vacation rentals, they have sent me an Excel file with all the properties that they've identified in the city that are advertising vacation rentals and there's nearly 100. And I'm going to be sending out letters to these properties this week. So I just want to give you heads up in case people start losing their mind and calling me. That's why. Because those letters are going to go out. So let me ask you a question about that. We did our fees based off of 40. 42, 40. Right. So now that we have 100, are we obligated to lower that? Okay. Well, we don't have 100 in the hand yet. We got 40 end the hand. That doesn't mean a hundred are gonna register. Right. Right. Right. I mean, you could find a day of a done-illment dress, but they're not in the city. That's the other problem. You know. Do you give me the address of like no, they're all the addresses are in the city. They're all the addresses and city. Oh, okay. Good. How many residences, residences do we have in the city? About 1800, I think. No, it's a resident I'm sorry. Talking like houses. Yeah, the houses. Don't know that number. 9. Last I knew it was right around 1097. Okay, so we have 110% of our population, 10% of our health. That's right. That's what I was trying to get to. But like we discussed when we established that fee, that'll be evaluated over the next couple of years to make sure that we're breaking even that we're not. I'm returning or under-turning. I just make sure. Yeah. Yep. Any other council comments? Nope. Uh, Andrew. Thank you Mayor. I don't have a report this evening. Okay. Public comment. Anyone in the public wish to make a comment? As we close meeting The done family well-represented Appreciate you first of the area tonight listening to what we're trying to do for our hometown I think you see that we're all active and we're paying attention to each other I think we're doing the very best we can Thank We very much appreciate that. Thank you very much. Thank you. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. So Luke, is that action on the floor? Second. All right. Discussion? All those in favor say aye. All right. You want to say aye? No. No. Oh. You want to say aye? No. No.