I'm going to adopt it. I'm going to adopt it. In terms of the protocol, just as soon as you get that up, whether it's up for anyone else that we have. Witness purple. You can tell right now virtually no one else in the room, although Sophia or Neu-Yudhbref may join us, she's going to try to join us, so she does all nature to introduce her. And in terms of the role model is Jeff, and myself, President Nicole had a conflict in approval of the minutes. I move to proof. Here, see? That is second. Second. Oh, there's an eye. I minutes approved. Thank you again, Ripple, or whoever put these nice minutes together. It's really helpful. And I appreciate how much hard work it is to do the next. So thank you. So next we'll move to, okay, if it's okay to go quick, I'll apply it, but we're there waiting for me. Can I just leave it here? Can you? Yeah, just a couple of sorry. Thank you. What's the policy review? No, you can't. So I'll move us to new business. And first, at our new business, I'm going to try to go over to Jeff to give an update on the affordable living policy. We're using commissioners. We, so out of you, one of the co-chairs of the four-wheel living policy working group, again, that has met, started in spring, and we just finished the names at the end of July. So that was we have one meeting since I was last year last to conclude over public meetings. As of right now, the the the city staff is higher than 18, so she actually raised the document. And as of right now, it's currently about to be written. And then it's going to naturally come through the board and mission process, including this condition. And I look forward to at that point, walking all through what the draft will be, when that is actually written, and a little bit forward to that. which is written and the little portion left. We're just gonna add that we received a grant. We applied for and got a grant from Michigan Housing and it's awesome. So it was for $32,000 and we need that to encourage them to write this. Awesome, thank you for changing the for our thank you for joining me for our thank you for joining me for our thank you for joining me for our thank you for joining me for our thank you for joining me for our thank you for joining me for our thank you for joining me for our thank you for our thank you for our thank you for our thank you for our thank you for our thank you for our thank you for our thank you for our thank you for our for the consultant at the same time that it's been facilitating different. Affordable housing alliance. And they are also, we also got another grant for them to do the community piece for the Virginia Village Development. Redevelopment needs to start working with that. They'll be doing the community engagement piece for the community. Okay, so it's going to be different. Just for clarification, do we have the exact name of this consultant who will be actually writing it or is it just a deal? No, I'm not crossing the shell. I'm crossing the shell. All right, thank you. And then I'm always asked, as always, I'm always thinking about the calendar, remind me of the rough timeframe that we hope to have. That is, we're hoping to have it completed by the end of the year. So it'll be done in time for the budget process because some of the recommendations may require us to request funds or include in the budget. So that's what we're trying to do with that one. So before the board of the ignition, maybe you were planning for us to. Yeah, and just to be aware of always beginning with your river grants. Yeah, that's our main criteria. Now we need to improve our use for all that. Great. Any other questions? Any other input? Tanya, you want to make one up? Yeah. Well, I'll move to our next item on new business. And it's about our joint meeting upcoming. I want us to have time to talk as a group. Make sure we all understand the plan. Talk to your question that we may want to raise for the senator. We sent out the email asking if those have questions. Thank you, Deb, so much for your questions. I didn't receive any other questions. I want to make sure Ripple and you guys have received a lot. So I can, Dan, I can read off your question. You want us to tee it up? You just read off your question. I don't count. I can just read it off and then you can add. Thank you. That's a fantastic question. That's fine. My phone is still charging at home. So this is the first question. Central question. False Church City and Human Services Advisory Council have received concerns for residents about aging in place. They want to stay here across even in the middle of the high income or challenge. We've discussed grants for aging, health-related needs like sterilists, added tax breaks, and more. Do you have any ideas from what you see other jurisdictions doing a grant to Commonwealth can make? Then you put a note that it is more housing way to make gets into our, but you know, the concentrate phone varies we care about too. Well, I think they know General Wake, the concentrate on specific demographics, other than affordable. Yeah. We get, I can read the next question, we just talk about this question. I suggest maybe you might see at first if we have a bunch of questions, because maybe we'll just rest them out and run away. Yeah. We'll even read the second one then, and then we can discuss any other questions. Second one is during COVID, the VA employment commission nearly crashed. The technology didn't work. Claus Warnman's heard mistakes were made in residents that you get paid in time. I'm sorry, Virginia, I was thinking better than the very Virginia implemented commission. I would come along with improving essential departments that provide human services such as the implemented commission, health and more. Yeah, so health would be Medicaid. We might even add to that, that, because I really don't know if they're also having problems saying answering the phone. But I know that there are a lot of people that aren't technologically savvy. And I know that they're very hard to reach in some departments, but I don't know if it's with all of them, but there was a really, really serious problem. I mean, it was in the media. I don't think we were the only state, you know, COVID. I think the way I would change that a little would say, this existed before COVID. It was, it seems somewhat corrected. Understandably, COVID was a crisis that nobody could be prepared for. But the concern is about departments that offer these essential services and focusing on the Virginia Employment Commission as an example. It has had issues for years that are preventing people from getting paid on time and being able to reach somebody to discuss it. That's like for unemployment benefits I'm missing. Yeah, but it may be also for Medicaid, I'm going out now. But I do know a lot of it's confusing too. So it's one thing to be confused. It's another thing not to be able to talk to a person who can help you. And then or to make a call and not get the call returned. So again, I don't know what's happening with Medicaid but I know what happened with the unemployment office. I know that our delegate weren't assignment whose his office was helping people a great deal and they could probably know the responsibility when there needs to be a interjection from a legislator. They probably would have an answer on that, but there's oversight also in the Senate. So this is not about individual issues. This is about these commissions and our taxes go for. Why do they not deliver? Is it? I know they started a communications program, and I think there were issues with that. It just seems almost like they focused on something for six months, but maybe don't fully test it. Maybe they don't have enough staff So I'm giving you a big picture And if people are interested I could help refine that to a shorter posture Any other thoughts or questions, questions that I think that I also what Devs point is in a thing You should be a little more narrow. But I would clarify by saying, I would want to know regarding a, you know, regarding staffing shortages and whether or not there needs, there are gas in the current budget that could be reconciled in the garbage budget. I think they have a reconciliation next year if I can never correct leave for the budget process in Richmond. Please on this commonwealth level. I think having made sure that they're dedicated funding for staffing, I think as Medicaid and as, you know, the virtual employment commission and all of these, you know, human services, issues that are dealt on the state level, I think we did a really targeted question. So if we decide that we want a question like that, let's refine that term. Yeah. Yeah. I say, I like that we're fine. And I think in actually the interview, we may have thoughts on this. It's like as these state services, right, go after appropriate staffing, or there's Kingston, it puts more pressure on city and county local. You guys, let's stand right. We like the state. Yeah, they've probably got calls about some of these things. Call, I think that's like a good local angle. I mean, besides the obvious, right? Like residents, because people don't know what to do. So, you're having a healthy navigate having a navigate these systems. And it also facts. It's so funny because making sure that we have a staff unemployment is not a term for something like welfare. There's a term for that type of service that has to do with it being coming from taxpayer dollars, whereas unemployment comes from your own salary, just like so security. And at the same time, it affects the economy because it's the money that's supposed to go to the residents is sitting in the coffers. Yeah. So anyway, I think, you know, I can think, by thinking in my mind, how to make it broader and appropriate for him. Yeah, yeah. Again, if we decide- A low-wing goal, yeah. If we decide we want that question. You get a question idea or thoughts that the existing question that that is proposing about? Not on that one video. No, on that one. Yeah, again, only if we decide we want that. I don't know what else that everyone has, because anyone's going to play. The other thought that I can put, which actually can be a part of that. Second, I would just talk, maybe it's just, you know, through COVID, right? The words, the words grant relief and what people could say on Medicaid and there were all the, even the Harkathuns that were we've all been from an local level to like most of that's gone away or stopped. So is there anything at the state level? Right, they're looking at doing, because people still need, you how to live, right? It's basically a way of saying. Pretend it's before COVID. I think ARPA not only is done, but I think that if you had to have spent it, so you'll see that a lot in the city. Things that are just done, you can't go backwards and say, oh, you need to have spent it. So you'll see that a lot in the city, things that were, you're just done, you can't go backwards and say, oh, you need to get spent that. It had to have been at least accounted for. And the other part you had said, was there any? Oh. Yeah, I've only heard things I know, just like Medicaid and the... Oh, that came from Martha. Think all of it came from Martha, but I'm not positive yet. I'm Medicaid Medicaid. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. seemed odd, but they all helped in different ways. Because how does it lead to the city who see it increase, we see an increase in our quats of a revered leaf. For rental assistance, we're just a bit of sardines. And we can't, we can't make associations, right? But also those protections that existed under COVID, right? Where landlords couldn't think people at risk, those are no longer. Basically, we're just saying, we like certain things about COVID. Can we get back to a more caring society? Definitely, we have more meetings and no convictions. That was really good. So putting all together, right? The landscape has changed at the local level, right? All these protections that were replaced during COVID are no more. So we're seeing a surge, we're seeing even more need of certain areas. We've got to ended up with inflation and then boom, all this stuff to help people. Like that said, it's not exactly what was during COVID-19 but it's more than what was before COVID time. Also, it has definitely gone up. It's not back to pre-pandemic, because of the need or the requirements of the need. Okay, so the relationship has gone up. I mean, now that there's been a piece of that, we can't necessarily point at people that you think about it, you can normally point, there's gotta be some abuse in the raising of some of the places, I think. I can't necessarily point at people that think about it. You can come up with, there's gotta be some abuse in the raising of some of the places I think. But so your question is more about, we got help during COVID and we got role, but obviously you're not in crisis. However, the needs are bigger than they were before COVID. What can we counter from the state? Because essentially, the way I would frame that, or maybe we could frame that is like the burden has now all needed more on local governments to be the safety as that when all these federal funding streams and supports, right? Or loosen? So yeah, like that's a good way to phrase that, like especially if you've been on less than a week's minimum. Yeah, I'll have to say. Yeah, and and although I would add to that, like what is the the commonwealth doing to get to localities to, you know, to help with those discrepancy for a, so. So now, I mean, that's the same question, but it's a good topic. This is from my journalist point of view, mixed in with my diplomatic, political point of view. So a lot of what we might hear is the governor, the governor, the governor stands in the way of these things. But the governor is going to be up for election next year. So we still want an answer on what is his thinking, you know, without, without expecting immediate answers. He can always get back to people. He can always contact Ripple or Dana with information. So more along the lines of, but what do you think about? What do you think? It's not like we've done. Yeah, you know, you're new, you're innovative, but the same time you're practical, you have to be practical. Politics is a tough game, but my favorite example would be like Barack Obama's healthcare. Things can be created that nobody's all good work. And even if they need some time tuning, that's a huge step. So what are you think of him? Yeah, no, I like that question, but since we're doing one at the end, maybe we, he may have covered some of that already. It's only the answer. Oh, great. We may have to, maybe you should ask the questions and be aware of what not to ask. Because that's why I remember it as maybe have optional questions that we choose priority because some of this may end up getting covered and we better go to another question. Why don't we, by the way, read to form questions to reserve and to main questions that we want to ask and just in case it be covered. And those first two, yeah, we can use the reserve one to put it up. And one other thing, this is more of a parking lot, yeah, topic. But as of right now, the governor as signs in its pattern, budget as in July 2001 to allow more labor slots for people on the VVW rig thing, you, Governor, but I know for a fact that people are still on the waitlist and those slots are not that filled. Also, constituents in the DBWaker requirement aren't able to fully take advantage of a firm from the Medicaid works. And I know that the DBWaker brand new as the last six years just made it available in that hybrid for people with visible disabilities. But what are policymakers and rich things looking to do? We could call it a great that discrepancy. In a while people with disabilities who are able to work. You know, what are they feelings to figure that out, as it makes sense? Like the, like, a school of golf. Talk to me. I don't agree. I don't think it's up top of one thing I'm wondering about though is, so when we reach that point on the agenda, what's it gonna be like, ASAC asked you questions and narrative as to, and then it goes into the audience, assuming there's an audience. And other members like, I don't know what narrative is thinking, so it's possible after they asked the two questions that anybody, including up here, so who's possible after they ask the two questions that anybody including up here. So who's going to monitor that? That's probably Cindy's going to be handling that. I'll have it'll be depending on time. Okay so the alternate questions could be because we realize we don't need the primary. It could also be because other people don't ask questions. And we have time. Can we check that out at that time? Do we have other questions before we get into which ones we want? I don't know what I would talk about. Well that's how it is. You've had, helmet you went to? I don't know. One, you have one. Just one. It's related to like, yeah, a lot of the federal. Come. Safety net, funding. Program to replace during COVID going away. The cost burden or you know, the species of the local government's now. And what's, what can the state do or what they think in doing providing more more relief right? Okay so you're gonna do some opening what like a quick like welcome blah blah blah. So should you do the two questions? Yeah we're doing we were planning to question the end so I think should you read them? I can I wasn't planning to. I was I was really happy with like going to ever grab the question like, how do you go to you? Deb, what the thing is that you have to pass your computer around because we didn't come prepared. Be gentle maybe. Um, Jeff did the Fiat had some on his Um, I, I still left my phone at home. Do you want me to write it and bring it for you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can do that. It's all in 25. Yeah. I think that'd be good. Yeah. Okay. So I mean, of course, I'm happy to. But also like, want to let you guys know that question. So much I was also thinking of other people. Sometimes it's interesting to hear different reasons. But I, so this is what I proposed. I proposed we refine each question and then prioritize them. OK, because I think all four questions are valid. Did you guys have any ideas? That's all right. Anything? OK. I know the things that he wants to talk to me. Right. And he had got information from us and I'm sure Cindy is making short counsel priorities. So this is where some of our priorities are not yet necessarily reflected in the counsel priorities. So this gets important there too. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I just said you, that's, I was going to text it. I was like, that the Easter's is he can put the screenshot. So it's the cracking thing. Yes. I guess the thought was that he did not necessarily know. He probably, if you did, he probably knew a little more detail on the CSF and the Virginia. Then we did this strategic priorities, which it's not going to necessarily seem like we're in there. That's because it's a portable housing. We're supposed to be like reflective of everything. Although there had also been discussion about particular areas, which we had gotten into. So I think, and then he's gonna get into the ADUs. And I mean, this is a lot, especially people start asking questions then. And I don't know Cindy can you permit that? You know Dana? She's probably gonna be the things on time. Well Cindy's good at that. She's good at being able to say home your questions or limiting the length of a question or answer. There was no promotion about this so I would think I thought I saw the mayor the counselors because, you know, I don't think people generally study the agenda for every mission unless there's a particular reason. So, um, yeah, I think, um, man, I know we're going to try to end at 80. Yeah. Like I said, here, but the thought is, right? You can laugh and you can. Yeah. No, I think we, well, the other thing is, if it ends at 80, help probably hang around. Well, that's not good for any of you to say. And I would be, to be really honest, this is public meeting and there are questions that we all may have or involve a little bit more back before that perhaps could be better after the meeting. So I'd like to. Or he'll have an aid probably. And they have to take some of that down. I would suggest, I know the mayor has also been really interested as you guys know from me at least about the aging place. And it's been ironic because it's been something that's wanted but there are elements of it that are confusing. So even just putting it out there in some way from when I wrote, it puts on this radar more. And don't forget, when something's on the radar, you can follow up when you see them. So I'm gonna do a little lobbying to make sure, even if it seems like some of this is covered. So let's say if I were to ask that question, I would edit it quickly in my head, and saying it to make it clear that it's not duplicating and that we're normal. I think it could be like, and I wrote it, one I agree, and you all the way into, I agree, that first question, like some version of that I think warrants definitely like primary. And it could be adapted like, in addition to what we've already talked about today, exactly, you know, what, how do we really focus people, you know, on aging in place? What are that? There's really nothing on aging in place unless they get into, I'll get into it a little bit with the ADUs. Yeah. So, you know, obviously that's just one option and it's an option that's really important to say how it's going to satisfy your room and sleep. So do we think that's okay the way it is? I'll look back at it. Do you want me to read it again? I look good on my phone here. I think it's fine as it is, Deb. Do you feel like you need to know where it's meant to a little bit? and you're walking to that actually, but like it's fine as it is. I think it says what we've been talking about, like I said, I would just edit it. So that would be the first question. Yeah, I mean, I want to make sure we have agreement. Yeah, but I personally think, yeah. Yeah, and you want to, sorry, I'm just so unclear. Sorry, just so unclear, right? So we're gonna ask a question in the book, first, the second one we have, we have a decision on our debt. The first one is around, you know, how we've heard concerns about whether it's a meeting in place and what our idea is, you know, maybe he has or how to get that on his radar. So although I think the unemployment one is important, they do hear that. Okay, I think your question posed in such a way about the general economy and needs is important, but I also think Jeff is dealing with a situation, legislation that affects people that really shouldn't be waiting. Well, yeah, I mean not only that, but it's affecting our, you know, the ability to work. It's a great stuff. So, Red Hat's a dilemma. It is a dilemma. Yes. I agree. I mean, I had a high level like the idea that coming from H that is that we have a question that goes about older adults and age in place and we have a question about how them produce access to support people with disabilities, which are two big focus areas of our life. One of the one's leaders, I happen to have to say once we are a thing in those in West, in the past August. I sat down with a perhesions share actually of the Virginia Health Delias and he didn't even know about this. And yeah. Wow. I thought it was a good question, but I just wasn't clear. Like, yeah, it's a good question. So basically, it's my exact question. Can you stop? What is? Can you wait one second? Um, can you or if you want to give me your computer, can we get Pastor Boyd, he's sending? So then we can find him because he didn't bite it down. Sure, sorry. I have a lot of talks that like you're along with him. That's fine. I was just trying to get to the, yeah. Sorry. Wait, wait a second. Wait, wait a second. So then what he's doing is he's going to capture what he's saying, and then we can edit it that way. What is there any current legislation for the kinds of legislation or proposals that could fix a while the different possible money of Medicaid works and the DE waiver to do what? Is that a developmental plan for the what? Let's say that out. The developmental disability's waiver. You fixed that in reference. Will you? If you could get, okay, so and the discoloration is that you can't. That you don't. My current dilemma is that if I'm working on Medicaid works, I can make upwards of 75,000, but I'm currently working with the scheme for the deem labor and Medicaid works, and then I can only make upwards of 20 hundred a month. Okay. I think it's about that. Why? Okay. If you were on Medicaid works, you could make 75. Jeff on that. Jeff on that without the EE waiver. Why do we need the D? The, the, just that has like personal care and stuff. Ah, yeah. We hate to say that too. Because other people. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. Because we need to say that too. Because other people, yeah. Okay, so obviously the personal care aspect of it is a lot of money. So you can't fit that in, it's linked to the 70. So in order to get the DA, the Disability Act, it's that disability, or the Development Disability Weaver. To get the developmental disability waiver you are only able to urge 28,000 36,000 in year 30, 60 year so apparently there's been some discussion I know I mean I just I've had very formal discussions but nothing I I'm not really exact like legislation or anything. Okay, so just to play just to take it a step further on what would you propose knowing that what are the reasons they do that is they have to limit right what you're getting attacked but so how would you would you suggest they raise the amount or I would suggest that they that there needs to be some legislative work around and to allow people to meet the criteria for medical works. It's very small, right? I'm miserable. I don't know the exact numbers, but if you let me that program, yeah, it's just very, you know, it's very like this or that, you know, it's very... So Jeff, I have a question. Please. So what you're saying is very specific. Maybe you can make it broader and say something like, to increase the eligibility for Medicaid waiver works so that people that have the DD waiver are... And they want to work. I love that idea. Yes, that would be a lot. D.D. Wainer are. And what are we? I love that idea. Yes. That would be a lot. So we have to just say, actually, we have it up there so we can use that. I think he's going to translate. Yeah, translate. We're going to eligibility for a meta-tier word so that, are you going you saying expand the eligibility? Expand eligibility for medically words. We'll raise it. Okay, I'm going to try this. You want to hear? No more, yes. Okay. Very brief summary if you are. Medicaid works. You can earn $75,000 a year now? If you are just on that correct. In however, you also need the development of disability waiver which allows which pays for support services and there is a support services or There is a personal care support service. That one, yeah. Because I think people know what that means, which pays for personal care support services. You can only earn 28. 100. 28, 100 a month. 136,000 a year. 36,000 a year. Clearly, that limits the ability to live independently, financially. Yes. What is the common well? To fix that gap or rate or how about to fix that gap and raise the eligibility? Do you want to, you want a minute? Let's give a ripple minute to wordsmith. We can, we have five minutes. Yeah, so we can move on. But we can go back to it. So what's, what do we have to add to $645? Yeah, they're going to start the rest of the day. Clear out this one. So, well, they're also exporting them. Yeah. So we have two great primary questions that the crux of them. If we needed third question, I can I can bring up that one about your question. Yeah. And then if we need a fourth question, we'll do the assignment one. Yeah. Don't have that work. And I can it's not are you going to print all them up? Okay. So Jeff, you ask your question. And you'll have it in front of you. So you don't have to worry. Yay, thank you. Yeah, and I will call on you guys to ask you a question. I have those questions. Thank you. And I know Meredith was going to be the goal for them was to have like, say, two primary test questions at the end. So quickly moving on to other old business, a couple of things I want to quickly cover. One, most people I'm sure you all saw right that our previous council liaison resigned. I want to make sure everyone knows that we don't have we don't have a current council liaison, but with this upcoming election, we likely will. So that's kind of where that stands. Definitely will definitely will. I'm definitely will. Do you want me to tell Januar, but the winner is the winner. Just want to make sure one new that in terms of the, I'm gonna get through there. Thanks to efforts for Rickle and the entire group that Rick released, Chandler was passed. I wanted to thank the staff. Thanks to your comment letter, being a thanks to ASTAC, right? For supporting that all the way through. Quickly on the, I was gonna say this one, say it's affordable. Accessory 12 links. So on that whole large piece, I know Ripple's to now kind of the website. I just wanted to highlight for everyone there's two upcoming public engagement sessions on the accessory 12 links. I went to one of the sessions. A month ago. I wanted to ask this group because I talked with Jack. So there potentially is an opportunity for him to come back through the HSTAC and officially present when it goes about that, that's Jack Tringer, sorry. First, he's staff from planning to come present to HSTAC as part of the board of commissions. If you all would like that, I'm valuable to hear about accessory dwellings. Um, and weigh in. So is this related to the T-Zone, do you think? No, the accessory dwellings is, it just you could put it in the two zone area. Okay, it's the units themselves. It's either detached, sometimes they're called granny flats. They can also be attached, right? A pump of garage, someone to know. But one of the things that they're emphasizing and I'm glad that they are in their polling meeting sessions is an opportunity for older adults to people with disabilities, so they are from aging, you know. It's one element. It could be used in a number of ways. It's interesting because Venus, the Verb Village Improvement Preservation Society, sent out an opinion on it. And I actually read all of it. I know they've had some issues, but they also had some interesting questions. The one that stuck with me is, what happens if you want to sell it because you still own the land? But that doesn't mean it could happen. It's just a question. So what do I think, what do we think? Well, just I guess at a, I mean, but limited time, you guys can think about it. Before I make this, I'll ask, would you guys like a presentation from Plain Inc. Mission about, so be in that. I can personally feel that there's other things I'm more interested in. It's not that I don't value it and I certainly support it. It's just that I feel like I've gotten a wealth of your information on it and yet I'm sure not an expert, but there's other things that I'm more interested in, but I can understand you're bringing that up. Okay. You want to open? So what is your questions? Okay. And then, okay, and I'll print it. Yeah. Yeah. It just have access to all these. Just a point. Oh, no, this and the second one is Jeff. Just put Jeff's question. Jeff is second. Okay. And then, fourth was going to be the one about the. And Brian's going to read. That was the fourth was going to be the one about the dot-on. And Brian's gonna read, but that was the fourth, because it's gonna be this one. And Brian's gonna read the third one if we get to that point. So you might just wanna write, find a new name. On the next answer, you should know that I'm researching myself and I'm going to see what you've brought about in my case. One, how those for being made accessible. What that means for square footage and layout. Two, how you could use Medicaid waivers. So say, I had a child with a disability, became an adult, and I wanted to, except for growing, in my backyard, how could my adult child live on the bottom level, and potentially a caretaker or someone who provides support services, limited support services, live upstairs, and use Medicaid paper that, because there aren't any way for sex for that. That would be great. So that's just things I'm only into. I'm sorry, just briefly what that... Yeah, no, stuck for that. That would be great. So that's just things I'm going into. I'm sorry, just briefly what that... Yeah, no, I'm sorry. What we're talking about, that's... So with the accessory dwellings piece, I'm in person for passing and researching, like, I think it's important on a personal level and it interests us to how can those accessory dwellings be made accessible? Like, how do you build them? Where they're accessible, right? From like, chat rooms, kitchen, and having the bathroom on the first level. So it's like ADA accessible. But why would that be different than in the other place? Because I mean, most of the ones you see are like tiny homes, right? They're just built. You know, it's like a really small space. They have like, lots and everything's like really tight. And it looks nice, but if you think about like an older adult, right, and a wheelchair or someone with a disability. You can't use a lot. Can't use a lot, but there may be a caretaker that for someone that could ride. Or you can use a small piece. Yeah. I look at it that is I don't think that's an angle that housing or other people are like thinking about Because even if you're building it and you have a college kid Hopefully that unit suddenly taking care of your aging parent like you want to be able to build it with that in mind Right, I put the back of you on the first level and to be accessible or it's You know different. Yeah, the community wanted to come right that for people Yeah, so anyways, I know we the community wanted to come write that for people. Yeah. So anyways, I know we're over time, I know that I look into that, so I'll call up with you all on that. And then the very last item that I wanna close is for the October meeting, Rick was gonna do an overview of the CSF process who may have some other options that we wanted to do as social, we kinda, we're gonna do that in the long time, because the COVID, so the idea is that we would do a shorter meeting and then potentially log out all the up-to-solus for social analysis. We had talked about that in the Solidarity Solicitate. Yeah. That's the point from me. What? It's easier for Jeff. Oh, the soft air. Solidarity. It's easier for Jeff. Oh, the love there. It's all a literary story. So one of you guys liked the idea of you agreed to go to play with me. You're probably ever going to see me saying no to me. Okay, yeah. So that'll be October and then, we will be playing out. That's a good way. What we talked about, Spring, so we'll just fall in. Yeah. So Jeff, we fourth number two, you might want to circle out. Say, or J.A.? No. Is that too small? Do you want me to know the other thing? Or before anyone? Yeah. No, this is okay. I'm talking to my end. I can read it perfectly. Okay. Okay. Anything else before we officially close? You're everything, future? I hope I can give you a second. So I'm just gonna turn over. Yeah, yeah. So we had someone go to the, sorry, I forgot. That's okay. Okay. The commission on aging meeting yesterday, K-Line went to that. And so just a few things from that is the Mount Vernon recreation Center is about six months from being done. I'm not sure if that's going to be an exercise facility 24 of ETC. And then the National, they're having a national healthy aging symposium on September 26th, 1 through 5pm in the street and also it's virtual. And so also now registration for that, you're interested. They did an adult in aging marketing research and awareness campaign. So some of the findings that they found, this was Fairfax County in this area too. 50% of seniors know of county services available, 33% feel like they have access to the services. Lack of affordable and accessible housing and health care, which goes to what you've got to say. Lack of awareness about caregiver services, difficulty finding information about services and resources, and challenges of transportation. And survey was conducted in eight languages. And so the information and services most important to them are recreation and community engagement, health and wellness programs, home-based care and caregiver support and resources, those with a form of top. And then the senior said that they had their preferred method of receiving information was virtually. I'll take the first one, that's the change. And then I know that for a fact, because the meeting, you're like requiring all the members to come in person, most of them all 70 or something like that. And they're like, can we keep this meeting virtual? So we don't have to come in, you know, most of them. So they recommend it developing a marketing campaign using Facebook, YouTube, and collabing with local influencers, flyers at community centers and street teams, print apps, and then they recommend a comprehensive, content and editorial calendar, and implement a personalized email and text message. Can you bring that time? Can we have that sent us? Yeah, I consider to be feeling just sending an email with this. This is what I have today's meeting. I think to be feeling just so many of you know with this. It was a great yesterday's meeting. I think it was useful. That's a really great one. It should be, yeah. We didn't say in age, just in my people other than, I mean, I know 70s, 20 or 70 girls that are the age of a normal, the people that participate in the 20 year olds that I'm not sure I'll have to leave. She's going to be here. But I think that they are considering seniors. I think 55 and above or sometimes it's 62. So I'm not sure which one. So you'll send us that and we'll be up in the air. Is she going because we just have a- We don't have anyone yet. We haven't have anyone yet. We have a couple. And then she was named. And then we had another person. She went to one meeting to like, yes, nothing. And instead of Fairfax. Yeah. All right. Anything else? No. We're going to move to the second. All right. All papers. I anybody out here. Turn. Oh, oh Cindy. Cindy's out. Okay. Anything come in. We can. Here we go. Also