Okay, the recording is started. Okay, March 18, 5.30 PM, we have a quorum and let's get started with a roll call call to order and a interest disclosure if there is one. Chris, you're going to start? Yeah, Chris, roads and water, no conflict. Vincent, power boards again, no conflict. John, a Brian, general manager, no conflicts of interest. John, a loan, treasurer, no conflicts. Derek, raise, no conflicts. Scott, what can no conflicts? Jerry, next, some conflicts. Steve, there's also no comment. She is not going to comment. No comment. Jody. Jody and Agnes. No comment. Okay. That finishes up that section. We are going to roll right into general public comments. Please, either state your lot number, your address and your name if you want to say something. Comment or the message. So, students must have started by all you need. I'll start. Okay. I'm Ed Kosole. I don't know what my line number is. 151 I think. 1936, I think. I think we're all here for the't know what or now is the time to talk about it for what we wait till after you know the end of public comment at the end after the after you discuss roads but we're here about the road. We're all neighbors on the same road and I think the fact that we're here says something. I don't know if any of you have driven up Cottonwood Trail recently. Tomorrow would be the perfect day to go up Cottonwood Trail and experience what we experience. You're pretty good right now because it's below freezing. No, it's really muddy. Well, hey, no, but. I got some pictures. You got a photo? Let me stick with one speaker in time. We're glad. of freezing. No, no, it's really mud. Well, hey, no, but there's a couple of different interests with respect to the road. Most of us are concerned about the mud, but there's also a dry part of the year when we're concerned about the dust. And last year or two years ago, whatever the experiment was that failed miserably to correct that has left us with nothing but a mud road. And if you haven't driven up it recently, you should drive out that tomorrow. It'll be the last time you drive us in your car because it's a troche. I use four-wheel drive frequently to get up my road because of the mud. Now that's ridiculous. I get it for snow. I mean I can go out but in the snow without four-wheel drive, but in the mud you can't. So we want something done. Something done that's reasonable, I mean, we'd love to pay, I guess, and I'm probably hitting my three minutes, but I'm sure somebody will share. I think if we could just go back to what we have, I think we'd be happy and mag it once in a while in the summer. Great, but what we've got is, I mean, go past mine and you'll see the pile of mud that I ploughed up just so I could pass. And I'm putting it on the side of the road so that we can deal with it some other time. But it's ridiculous. And I recognize that it's a short road. There aren't very many people on it, and that's the least we get frequently. Well, there just aren't very many residents on the road. But there's just as many residents per foot as there are on any other road. It's just we don't have a long road and we're at dead end. And so it doesn't get a lot of traffic. But the problem is worse on our road or at least as bad as anywhere else we just want the same consideration as everywhere else and it's our turn. Thank you. My fifth comment started that my kids will call and say I invite them to dinner and my kids will call and say, well, did you roll light? Because we're not coming. Because they don't want to have to clean off their car. And whatever it is that we put on it, it's this deep of mud and it goes underneath your wheels and when it's trying to like lose weight. They send me to the car wash by Wendy's to go to it first before they locate me, because they are the car wash because it's too much money. So I feel like we've paid the same amount of taxes as everyone in Silver Creek and we've lived there for many years and it's worse than it's ever been. It's our turn maybe. That's all. Oh, you know, it's not anyone's fault. But if you guys would like to drive like that, it would probably be paid next week. And you guys, I've found that road. It would be paid. Assault. Thank you. I'll scroll across the back row. I'll go across the back row. I'll take your name. I'll take your name. But can you answer your name for the record? Larry Nathan. And I live up at the dead end. Well, I don't have property at the dead end. and you literally cannot go up that road in a truck without putting it in poor will drive that is the greasiest nasty. It's almost as bad as the clay that's in the field and that's a pretty greasy slippery clay out there and I agree that the old bulldog and the gravel road base, this stuff is just greasy. And it does not wash off your cars. And my kids are the same way. Nobody wants to go on that road. That's the first thing they say is how money is it. And I'll go, my bad. And they'll just go, yeah, we'll wait, you know, later, it's a minute. Some pick us up at the bottom. Yeah. Adam, Adam Collins, I'm just down from Larry and I think you have an actual property dress just goes to the court. 92.81. And yeah, it's always an adventure. It's full of the drive every day. That's also caught in the trail. Correct. Just for the great end. And last year, were they did some testing, was it, you know, whatever, a new theory, or whatever was going to happen? And it felt like they got the greater down to low. And for now we're just down to that clay level. The trash truck goes up and leaves huge drops and feels off to one size. It's kind of sideways there and I come down at just going real slow sideways and boil will drop because it's so greasy but it's definitely the worst I think it's done in 10 years at least. Is that one of your black sheets out there with all the vitality? Yeah, it's definitely the road. And you won't believe what I've lost it was. But it's one of the one tricks. even have 5 miles an hour of regulation, you can call it down that road. You can't avoid it. Thank you. Just by the little sub-mino here I'm 19155, the three of them have been blocked. I just did let's do this inside the Plannedo Amera. And she's showing her probably to the trustees. It is clay, and I have put them on the straws for 15 years, now 16. And yeah, yeah. So it's very sort of, I'm not sure if that is somewhat impossible for the drive to the nearest. I mean, the last two years, I think, I was just saying in a slight way, and this was, that so I think just a neighbor mentioned that it was better than for a little bit of the withdrawal. There's a lot to get. It's clean, we just have to get some compatible. Yes, General here. What was her? 91.75 Cosmone. Yes, it's... I thought it... I knew it was the dirt road. It's been chunky. Okay, but that... These last two years. That's why you had a good turnout from the neighborhood. It's like... It gets to be about three or four inches, really saturated, greasy, clay. I think about a week and a half ago the greater came by actually scraped. Oh, thank you. It was just bonkers. It's like I can deal with snow. I'm ready. Snow ice, bring it, we're all ready for it, but the mud is next level. And it's like, go back to like putting lots of gravel and magnus, it would be a static out, but I'd love to have a faith, yeah. But I'm not going to be greedy if I just just have a good level of gravel to that for a few years, packed it in and magged it, I just be tickled. But what we have now, it's not ticklish. Thank you. Can I just say it's then when the snow cloud comes by, they need to not cloud it down to the dirt. if they could leave some snow on top of it. It would be better. Then scraping it down to the light every time. Sorry, it's his own. Yeah, the blade just goes where it's going to go. Well, there needs me, Vice. Yeah. The dirt roads are hard. The dirt drive is, which might be. Yeah, I'll go for the next one. I think it's a lot 150, 89.46.0. There's three businesses on the road plus a trail that am the residents. I'm in concern. I'm pretty close to the road as the dumbest. And, you know, the mag is great. I never really had a complaint that this thermosign, is a box truck with GPS going down the road to show you the pictures on its own. It doesn't do any good. You get a lot of traffic over a day. And at the point in gusting your house or washing your car with that street that sits through the bed of greasing us. It's an arrow road. I know they're going to work on it. But if you don't know your gages in this neighborhood, a little bit of snow, it'll stuck you right in instead of the mud. I had problems with my ongoing drive about two weeks ago. There was so much mud up there, and I took it to the dealer, and they just called it out. I just let light dust mod up in there. It was making noise. That was the first time I've had that, I've had it kind of for about four years. Yeah, I was in the end of just the amount of traffic on it with the box trucks. No good, excellent. The buildings they don't have to speed. It's just very dusty. And this mud is one that took the man water down. You have mud that would be a dryway for every up here too. The guy was not. That was it. Every time he gets wet, he's dry away some mess your cars and masks and Just and if they did make it suit early and Also I've turned in a notice on the Caled home. I guess they're gonna The county's gonna look at it Need to know that those gas lines at the talent hold have been exposed for several years, widen their parking space. And I've talked to everybody in the world about it, and I've been informed that now something's going to happen. But there are also how many properties can you rent? They have their cabin, their houses and duplex, and they can stay in the environment too. So, and they leave their rights on all night long for the people to come in to find their place. All night long, mentioning what it's to. So, and then I will catch up with a picture of the manure pile that's bigger than a garage. I'm going to engage with blinds. I can work over in Glenwild with doors open. I'm seeing one fly and a month's work of work inside a house. Three minutes of you can drop it out. Oh, and that's the end of the story. I guess I'm last. That's about it. Okay, I really liked your last name, by the way. Exactly. I'm Bob DeWitt, state your name and address for the recording. John, are you patient? Basically, I'm a lot more than 53. And I was on this board for eight years. years, of the board for several years. And one of the reasons that road wasn't improved when I was on the board is I was afraid people would think I had undue influence. I'm going to log on the board obviously. And quite honestly, I would like very much to see an improvement of some sort. We thought we might have one last year, but it actually made things worse. I agree with everything that I've heard from these good people, my neighbors. And I would encourage you to look carefully at doing something better in the very near future future that role, not only for the upper part, but the lower part to cottonwood trim. Thank you. May I ask your name for the recording, please, in the minute? I gave it, but it's Bob Olson. Oh, thank you. Well, I asked O.M. Thank you. Thank you all for your comments. It's on the chance that there's 15 seconds of wild time to be allowed. I didn't share it, but after 15 seconds, I'm going to work on it. That's close to me. We've heard rumors about Rotomill being available for the neighborhood. We'd like to be at the top of the list. Chris has been be racially taking notes. So when it comes to the row section, I mean, someone else is going to get it. Chris will jump right into that. Thank you. notes so it comes to the road section. I mean someone else is going in. Crystal jump right into that. I think we're done with public comment. Well we have one more. We have one more. I think we really could make it down. This is great. It goes down her driveway and brings all kinds of silk and those kind of way. At the end of the day, we have one more online. Okay. We have one comment online. Go ahead Trevor. Hi, my name is Trevor Rameda. I'm at 7850 Wasatch Way. Everything that everyone said on Cottonwood Trail is a carbon copy of what I'm going through on our small little section of road. I don't have to deal with the steepness that they do, but it's awful. I mean, the mud is deep, my car is trashed. I have to drive my car to the end of the street to walk my dog. I can't even leave my house. So it's just unacceptable. And this is the public easement that gets you over to the Glenmild trail on this road. So it's also widely used. And I think you all have seen my emails, and I've talked to Chris personally, but I'm feeling everything that everybody has said already. So that's it for me. Thank you for the public comments. Chris is definitely going to address a lot of this when he has time in this meeting the next. I need a minute. So if we can move on to the admin and the financial fees. Okay. Next item of business would be a 3a, which is approval of the February 11th, 2025, minutes. I'll open it up for either discussion or voting for the trustees. Motion to approve. Second. All in favor. All right. Discuss. All right. Double. And carry. Partly the motion. Carry seconded. John, in the vote group. And for the record, 5.48 pm, Rick Grisi is now in attendance. Moving on to item 3D. Approval of expenditures. We have two expenditures for which we're seeking approval the January and February no filing and voices. I just now have an absolutely discussion of voting. I motion to approve the voices. Second. Let's buy the motion, auto-seconded. All right. All right. John Ball on both. Okay. Does that vote was unanimous with seven voters? Last item in the admin and financial fiction is item 3A. We need to be back in our legal counsel. It's going to give us a legislative update. Hi folks, I'll try to be quick. This is a relatively light session compared to last one. Now, I'll just go through a couple of bills that may have an impact on the service area. The first is HB12. This was initially a bill that raised some concern amongst the local government community because it would have prohibited all local governments in Utah from entering into contracts that have certain terms. Now, most of these terms are terms I don't like. They're indemnity provisions or arbitration provisions or choice of law provisions that put venue outside of Utah. There's a dispute. But they also happen to be the types of provisions that many vendors insist upon. And are the types of provisions that some of those vendors, particularly large vendors or sole source vendors that don't have a lot of competition, will walk away from if you don't agree to them. So there was a concern that if this bill passed, that it would make it very difficult for smaller cities and districts to procure services. The bill was subsequently amended, do I think, what's become a good bill where it says that these types of provisions are void. And so what that means is we can negotiate a contract and oftentimes we get these big boilerplate contracts from vendors. If any of these provisions are included, they're void. It also allows me as the attorney or the attorney for any local government entity to waive these requirements through written authorization. So I think it started off as a potentially problematic bill and ended up in a good place. My thought is, it's not my job to represent the other side. If we have some sort of out of state vendor that wants these provisions, fine, I'll agree to them, but they won't be void under the law, and they won't be able to enforce them. The next bill moving down kind of the numeric list is HB81. I don't think that this one packs the service area because you don't currently include fluoride in your water system, but effective May 7th of this year, no water system in the state may put fluoride in your water system. But effective May 7th of this year, no water system in the state may put fluoride into its system so in the future if you ever were to make that decision or want to use fluoride, you could no longer do that. The next bill is one that we talked about before. This is a HB274. This is a bill that Representative Snyder who carries most of the water legislation introduced. This is a bill that responded to a study that the Division of Water Resources did last year. The study came out in November. It was basically funded. It was basically focused on how water systems throughout the state are funded. And one of the recommendations that it made was that peered rates in Utah or culinary use and other uses are basically too low. And they're low at the top end and not sufficient enough to incentivize particularly high users to use less water. And there are two reasons for that. And that is that municipalities, when they set water rates, must make the rates reasonable, and when special districts set those rates, they must have the rates tie in to their actual costs. And sometimes what's an actual cost or what's reasonable may not be sufficient to incentivize the highest water users to conserve. And so that report recommended that the legislature make some changes to that and allow special districts and cities to impose very high conservation tier rates. And so that's what this bill does, is it allows all water providers, districts and cities to enact conservation tiers. And so for water providers that have over 500 connections, which the service area does not, they have to do this by 2027. The service area does not have to do this as a small entity, but it could if it wanted to, meaning that it could enact conservation rates. And such rates would not need to be, would be deemed to be reasonable or tied to actual costs. We wouldn't need to make a showing on that. And so this bill will go into effect in, I believe, May of this year. And so that was perhaps one of the largest, I'd say one of the more big blockbuster water bills of the session. And again, it's just in evolving the latest in a long line of efforts by the legislature to require and incentivize conservation throughout the state. And this bill is really focused mainly on not the average user, but the users who are really at the top end of a water system's water usage. And those were the folks that with the report identified as being the intended audience for this bill for lack of a better term. The next bill that I want to talk about is HP 285 that's also by Snyder. That's a bill that will consolidate funding into a new water infrastructure fund. There right now are a number of funds that the service area and other water providers can get public money from through the state. Some of them are operated by the division of water resources, others by the division of drinking water, some by the division of water quality. This bill will require those boards to coordinate with each other and determine whether or not to send money back and forth to a new general fund for water infrastructure or to each of these individual funds that are each offered under-stepping programs. And Vince, I think we're, do you know, do you remember, I think the fund we're thinking about for our water infrastructure upgrades is through the division drinking water correct. Correct. So the idea here is to make the most of the money that we have. It ties into legislation, HB280, that was passed last year, which created this kind of catch-all fund. The other, the next bill I want to talk about is SB50. So this was a bill by Senator Muffelman. This is a bill. I'm sorry not musclemen this is a bill by. I'm sorry senator musclemen so historically special districts have not been able to pay their board members more than $5,000 a year. This bill removes that requirement so the board is now basically when this bill goes into effect under the same terms and conditions as a city council. Meaning you you can set your compensation if you so desire at any amount you want, but you do have to go through a public hearing and notice process. Again, it's not something I think the service area's ever discussed, but that is a change from what we've had in past in prior laws. There's another bill, SB 35, that'll make it easier for us to do water transfers. So the way that we do water transfer now is if it's a water right, we'll get a deed. And then the deed is what updates the actual ownership that's recorded with the county. But in order to update the records of the Utah Division of Water Rights or the State Engineers Office, you usually file what's called a water deed at Dendom. And that's just one page form that you fill out and you file it with the deed. And when it goes to the kind of recorders office, the kind of recorder will send that and then them over to the state engineers office and the update ownership of the water right automatically. In the past, you would have to sign those deeds physically and in person and that just kind of makes it harder for that to take place. But now under this bill, basically we'll be able to do it by facsimile or electronic means. So it allows electronic signatures for those deed agenda, which will make things easier for us when we process dedication. Let's see other big bill that will likely have some type of an impact is FB80 from Senator Sandal. For the last couple years, the legislature has been working on ways to fund the Safe Drinking Water Act program. The Safe Drinking Water Act is a federal law, but it's administered at the state level by the Department of Environmental Quality and specifically the Division of Drinking Water. And so there have been a few bills over the years that the intent of this bill is to authorize the Division of Drinking Water to come up with a e-schedule that will be assessed against all water suppliers in the state. The fee will be based in part on that water provider's consumption. This bill does not create the fee itself, but it does create the process by which the division will go through a rulemaking, which will have notice and comment, and will come up with a fee schedule that every water supplier will have to pay. This is a bill that I worked on on behalf of Royal Water and working with Nathan Lundstead, the director of the Division of Drinking Water. He expects this will probably amount to will have to pay. This is a bill that I worked on on behalf of Royal Water in working with Nathan Lundsted, the director of the division drinking water. He expects that this will probably amount to about 75 cents per year fee for each water user. I, you know, this isn't the way I would do it, but it is the way that the legislature decided to address this issue. So those funds will be collected and then pass on to the division. I will say I was able to get this issue. So those funds will be collected and then passed on to the division. I will say I was able to get some language in here because this is going to be a mandatory fee. We're not going to have any say over how much it costs. I was able to get some language exempting special districts from having the whole of fee hearing on a fee that's mandatory that we can't change or do anything with. So hopefully that will at least save us some costs there. And then the last bill is SB 314. And that's the UASD's cleanup bill. I don't know if it has any provisions that really impact the service area. If it does, it does have some language that I drafted for another client about when districts can accept declarations of candidacies for elections. There are some districts that don't do a 40-hour work week. They do four-tens when they're closed on Friday. The way that the old code was written is you basically had to be on a normal 40-hour work week where you're open on Fridays. That didn't make sense for the districts that work for tens because they're already open 40 hours a week and it's difficult for them to reopen on a Friday. So this bill just allows you as long as you're having a 40 hour work week to just accept separation of candidacy during that normal work week. So those are the key water bills that IC is having some relationship to the service area this year. Happy to take any questions from the board. Questions for Nathan? All right, thanks, Nathan. My pleasure. Thank you, Nathan. Operation, Joseph, you have anything in the public? Okay the public side. The only real update, we do have a close session item, is the row water, weight study. And so we're pretty much ready to go with that here in the next few days for me to distribute to the board members just as a reminder this model is just going to show what our current rates are. The revenue has been based on last year's data as far as the usage goes and and allows for various assumptions as rates change. So, thank you. I'm moving on to section 5 of the agenda. That's water. Turn it over to our water operator. If we have a water update, could I give one one that would be the time. I don't have anything in water because it's one or time. Not doing any projects or anything like that right now. Water systems. Okay. Then we can move on to item six on the agenda. I had a question on water. I was just curious. I know that we have, we're going to have a great these sessions, potentially in May. And I've heard rumors or some people have been saying that we're going to have a water discussion at the next sports meeting in April. I don't know if that's correct. But as a board member, I would love to kind of see ahead of a public meeting like drafts of what we're proposing for our upcoming rates and what's being proposed and you know I haven't heard or seen anything in several months. I think that goes to the right and fee schedule that Vince just talked about. But rural water really only deals with connected. So it doesn't go with the overall fee structure. So I'm not sure. Yeah, we haven't prepared the recommendations for rate and fee schedule. We'll just only get to be a small number of items on there because we did our big rate and fee schedule last year. And kind of the pattern we've been modeling is to do those rate and fees every two years. So this follow-up rate and fee is basically to clean up some of the items, i.e. overallocation tiers that were discussed by the half of last year. What you share will have that even though the overall water study really only deals with the connected. What you will share will also have over a day for ever. Yeah, it will basically staff put together recommendations on any update. So the rate fee and again, I think there's only going to be three or four. Clean up. Okay, thank you. I thought rural water was going to run models for different suggested rates. That part of the project. Well, that's what the model is. They have no idea what you guys want to do as far as understanding the other areas or doing it. They were going to be based on your uses if you did. Yeah, so the rate study does nothing in comparison to other water systems. Rural water, the first group to tell you that that's comparing apples and pineapples. Okay, that is fine. Are they are they not going to present? You know, if you were to come in at a rate of X based on your usage, that would generate. Yep, that's part of the more than. Yep, yep. And it'll basically give us the opportunity downstream to run through four different models, essentially, in comparison. Can you think of ways to bring us as trustees into the process so that by the April meeting, we have some foundational knowledge on what direction the tension going in and then more importantly between April and May before the hearing we can actually speak to what went into it. Absolutely so rural water is willing to come out and present the model. I'm not talking about that I I was really focused on the excessive usage these because water is really just taking whatever the usage that against the cost. I'm really more concerned about the cheer pricing. Yep. I'm like that's going to look like. Yep. Okay. And also I know like previously you're saying it's like apples to pine apples but we did these studies that came from staff previously that they kept did look at different areas and there was a lot of pushback and there was a lot of things in those data slides that were, there was a lot of agencies and so yeah I agree that it was Apple and Pineapples before, like there weren't apples to apples, there weren't good comparisons. So if we're not going to use data against other districts around us, I just think that, like I mean I mentioned this to John, I feel like I'm also really uncomfortable going into an April meeting with the public if we haven't had time to all be digesting this, whether that means that maybe staff so we don't't have a quorum, like whole little workshops where two or three of, you know, in a day where you can say two or three of us could come by, you can talk to us so that we never have a quorum and kind of sharing what your logic is and that we all say really close on this. I think would be really critical to seem like a cohesive group. Yeah, absolutely. Make a comment. Thanks. The comments that I would just make is in the past with these things, what the staff has done is they have usually held a meeting to kind of brainstorm these issues. We're nothing's voting on anything, but they'll say, hey, here's what we've done with potential rates. Here's what we're proposing. Similar to what we do with the tentative budget so that was kind of my understanding with the April meeting with these hey here's what we put together we're not acting on this yet you know here's the information we have what does the board want to do and then the board would provide direction and information in advance of a subsequent public hearing. And so it's just one other thing. If you're concerned about the wells under this new bill, HB274, which I believe go into effect on May 7th, you don't have to, you can set the conservation rate basically wherever you want for those wells. But that said, I still think it's worth your time to come up with some sort of a process to determine what that rate should be. And so I think there's some tools that you might want to think about. So just for my benefit, the role water study isn't talking at all about the upper lots at all. No. That's correct. So there is no requirement for that now under HP 274. But there are some other things that you might want to consider with that. I think, I think like what's the most likely to incentivize someone to conserve because that is the intent of HB274. But anyway, my suggestion would be involve the board as much as you can but use your April meeting as more of a workshop on this issue. Right. I think the intent is not to cloak ourselves in HB4. It's to have an understanding of how we arrive at a number and how everyone is treated, not necessarily, and more and more and more lines of treated from the perspective of being deterred from using excessively. Yeah, and one thing you might want to look at is the American Water Works Association, which is referenced in HP274, they have some guidance that in methodology that you might want to use for rate setting. That might provide some guidance for those upper lots. Thanks. And I have now, if certain, a question for Nathan. I think that meeting or the meeting before you mentioned that there was some language about the rates that we set for conservation for the overages. that was supposed to be used for the conservation efforts. Yeah, it's supposed to be used for conservation efforts. And I spoke with the attorney who was drafting this bill. It ended up being passed on the fifth substitute. That actually ended up being specific to private water suppliers, which are not. And only the highest tier, but that said, I mean, the purpose of these rates is to do conservation efforts. And I asked him, I explained to him the situation that you guys have with these upper lads, which is unique. And in his opinion, the bill covers that as drafted as passed. And the conservation effort under the bill is actually quite broad. I mean, I can just pull it up. It means a program that is designed to incentivize and encourage a result and reduce water usage for more efficient use of water, which I think your allocation limitation is. And the draft are agreed. And I think though it means what I understand is that some of the people who are in the higher bracket of coverage have also the little carrot water rights at this point. So I mean, a lot of them, I think, are really impressed. Which is great. Yes, they're covering their waters though. But yeah, I think as much of you guys can involve up, I think that would be really helpful. Make us water birds. Okay, so did we run to road, section six on the agenda? Okay, so in item A, removal RFP first. Sorry it's the snow removal RFP was put out into the public domain in different places. That went out on March 6th. We have a pre-did meeting meeting scheduled for May 21st at the service area office. And then deadlines for all questions so that we can answer those questions and give them to all possible bidders that have registered will be on June 2nd. And then the deadline for proposals will be June 5th. So those can be evaluated in a recommendation prepared for the June meeting for the Board to approve. Any questions with us? No, RFP. So, how do you receive people inquiring how you you called out for people? Same to. The same to. Thank you. Incomment and additional. Yes. But maybe well, so the people that are registered contractors on the state procurement site, if they put, they have keywords that they can put in their, I guess, company name so that they do every snow RFP or anything dealing with roads, will automatically go to all of these state registered contractors. So I don't know how many that's gone to, but as a sample, I received it just to see what would happen. And is there any others that you know in like our city or in the county that you feel you haven't received a bid from that sort of it's like proactively calling and I mean we can sense the invitations out to some of the larger companies that are more recognized in summer county. We can do that just to see if there's a response. I think what will occur like I mentioned before is we'll come to the-bid meeting and see some of the prerequisites and probably not be able to be the stone removal contractor just because the work looks so much different than filing a parking lot. Chris, you say one point that the ones that are legit, like pretty much check they're checking every day and they kind of see it right away. I mean, we've had one last year come to the pre-Vid Middien that clearly was find up to receive a notice. Yeah. And he just wasn't qualified. So he didn't submit a bid. But you're not getting any. What? At the county. Had any interest in this? No. Can we invite them to have a chat? we've talked with them through the years many times. Can we try again? Could that hurt if they may have an interest? Okay. Who did you talk to so I can read to them directly? I forgot to say that maybe that's okay. Afterwards is that okay? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay, just so we're not missing. It's not being lost in the language. I heard that they would say they could have an interest if I'm a private spot. Yeah, just just so I'm reaching the right person and it's not lost in the mass county employee. And this is not Apple's apples, but who does Glenn Wilde? They have a part of their HOA or is it a service that they use outside? Glenn Wylde uses a third-party company. I know what company that is. I can reach out to them and see. Okay. So, there might be some things. We can send them an invitation. Okay, great. So, any other questions on the snow? Anything else, Chris, on the road? Frank, at this time. Well, I can address the road-o-mail question. There's a possibility of road-o-mail. There is almost every year, but this year the contract has been awarded to a contractor and it should be moving forward. Gary engineers are going to be trying to coordinate that for us. We have three miles of dirt road left in the service area. All the rest of these have been paved to road milled to specifically address cottonwood trail in 2023. We started working with Gary to see about some of the utilities being moved so that we could actually build a road to how it should be because in places on cottonwood trail it's 16 or 18 to white. It's not the 22 foot like we would like to have. Now there's bonuses and drawbacks of making a big road. I'm sure we all know because of the speed and everything like that. But we were trying to work towards that. We have surveys for the right away and stuff like that. And that would be the preferable method is that we get that so that we can build it correctly first fine but it seems that we're going to have to do like some of the other roads in Silver Creek where we come in and we do what we can with budget restraints and then progress afford from there. I can promise I can never promise them the path that we'll get rid of mill but it's an availability and being where there's only three miles of road left that's a very small task compared to what the amount of asphalt that's going to come off 80. Some of the challenges in the past on some of the other roads is a lot of that IAD work is done in the middle of the night. And so our contractors that we hired to spread the road of middle will be having to work in the middle of the night, which we have to probably interrupt or sleep and different things and routines. But I think everyone would be okay with that. If we came out in in the state we have an opportunity, and we're gonna take hold of that, if the board is, if that's the direction that the board would like. I think if, once we get with Gary, and we get some definitive things, and it's start getting some definitive cost breakdowns for that, then that's something I can come to the board here in April, May meeting and say, hey, it's gonna be this title project. This is the dollar figure. Is that something that we would like to address with the budget? So, you know the road obviously, but could an ambulance or fire truck get up there right now? I drove it on Friday when it was dry. I didn't drive it today. I mean, obviously the freeze thought of the freeze thought of the fire. I drove Wasatch the same day that Trevor called. And he had run, but Trevor's issue to me is different because the first 600 feet of Wasatch was firm and from the corner down to the end was soft because the water was trapped in there. It couldn't drain anywhere. There's grainy jissies I'm cotton with trail, but when I've driven it, when it's wet, like two weeks ago, I got mud on my vehicle. Now, granted I drive a pick up truck. I didn't drive in four-wheel drive, but I drove up and down. But this is just my perspective when I'm hearing it that it's worse than just mud on the truck. I mean to correct what you're saying. But what can you do at the meantime to mitigate some of this as well towards spring even? So in the past, we've brought in some rocking material, compacted it down, improved some grainage just to try to get it dry until it come into the springtime grading where we actually tune up the rover and do what we should with it correctly. And so budget for that now that there's spring grading budget and stuff and so we would use part of that to Make some temporary repairs you would say right now and if you did it right now would all that material just sink and now I We're talking a few inches of mud on these roads from model has turned up and my Out speaking that I've been on it when it's been worse. Like last year when it was really worse, but when I was there Friday it was it was for sorry I overregrade it. Okay, that's like that pile is. But I didn't know that in. So I know. But I'm more than happy to drive it right now or in the morning, but I know that there's a mud issue. And so the rock is not lost in putting it down because at the end of the day, we're continually building the road back. The only way that we lose it is if we had to go and wash it and all of it washed under Bob's colder. So there's a red way. If you were to drive it, I mean tomorrow morning probably you'll be supposed to so it won't reflect the condition that you are talking about right. So if it's as sticky and as bad as they say which is probably the cases are all here. How long will it take you to get some material out there? I had people there just after the next storm on Los Ettesway within two days. So I mean, it can be that quick depending on whether we have a little more weather Thursday, possibly that we could have on their squik as Monday. It can be on how clear the weather is. I mean, as much as it need to be in for everyone here, I'm looking at it stripping life safety. What what happens if an ambulance can't get up there? I've had that problem. In the 91 ambulance couldn't make it to my house, my son was really sick. He called the helicopter. I'd say about 10 years ago, there's a slip-in follow the J.S. end of the street. And they're big, they're working at the vehicle and the fire department, big boxy thing. I don't know what they call that, try to put it. It couldn't make it. My driveway's the top of the first hill. People make it almost there. And I said, and that, slip backwards in the ditch, it has nothing to do with the mother. It's just weather conditions. That's a tough road. There's a lot of tough roads in this neighborhood. Yeah, the ambulance. They can have trouble. But I don't understand. I thought they didn't like the bumps in the road. So they put down, I don't know anything about that. For a little, it is timeless ambulance people, it's kind of one of the concerns that what we took them out, right? In the first time, we were referring to speed bumps. So yeah, there's this thing from emergency response fire and emergency where they would prefer not to go over to speed bumps on any call. Yeah. And so that's kind of where we've made some changes in the past and removed some of the speed bumps. There's typically what we put the temporary one back there on the last floor. I don't mind the lights. I really don't. But what I like is a dip. You can put a bump on a dirt road. But they have dips and there's actually a bump there from the culvert kind of. People come flying down there. I call them. So last year the new culvert that got put in actually settled. Is that what you would like to do? Oh, it's still like a digital rock and the whole. That's a joke, I think. Because that was a little rough. But that's good. But although, speaking of things we can discuss at a different time, that's more of a discussion. Because the county's already mandated and set a prefectal policy that we follow. And there's a process to go through that. I think I can do that. Just a chance for that. I don't know. So, but there's a process that you go through to give a speed bump or other options. So, hey, Chris, I was taking those while I was talking here earlier. There was a reference to fail experiments. Was that the permazine product? The permazine on the first application wasn't applied correctly. That's why we applied it a second time with a different contractor. And when was that? That same size was done? Both lawsuits come, we're done in the same years. So. And so there's done the same time that both failed. It was the application issue and not a product issue. You determine? Well, looking at what I see, not not the firm design wrapper or anything. But like the first section of the wassac to be derivative, I can't say. The first section, the first 600 feet of the corner is firm. The road is crowned and the water gets away from it. Then as you get to the corner and then to the beginning, is where we had the issues of the sexual saturators. Talked talking specifically on Wasatch. Now what we saw with Cottonwood Trail in the prior year is the application was done incorrectly and then it was done incorrectly and then it was done incorrectly. It was inconsistent. So we had a couple of sections of Cottonwood Trail that were really bad and then there there was a couple of sections of cottonwood trail that were how they were supposed to be. And then if we look at wood and in North Crescent where we've done it as well, those are different rows. But we're having the drainage is there and they're just as firm. So for those sections that were done correctly, does that product have a time, like a lifespan on it, that is not long enough to meet the needs of the roads? Because it doesn't sound like I haven't heard anybody here say, yeah, there's some good sections in this really bad section, so it sounds like the whole road is bad. So for those sections that were done correctly and everything was good, why is it still not? Well, I look at it as we have these sections of road that are bad and they're taking up. We have to look at cottonwood trill as a whole. So I'm not going to road a male just the bad section of cotton with trail. Yeah. I'm going down on the product. Oh, that is permazine. Is it sounds like it's not working where we're using it? Can I address that? Yeah. Your comments are. Yeah. The lower section before the corner or before the intersection with Westwood from Bob's house down. That's actually pretty good. I mean it's okay. It has chuckles and the chuckles are coming back and it always does because the water settles in the little dip and as many times as we've graded and refill and whatever those show up eventually but overall I wouldn't say that section of the road is money. It's from there, the hillside and on up. And I totally agree with those misapplication the first time. But even when they tried to do it right, they were dealing with the old material. It didn't get hauled off. It just got remixed or whatever, because the road was widened a little bit. They tried to grade it and put some ditches down the side. And that top soil got pulled onto the road and mixed in. And so it's just a conglomeration of all kinds of material and soils and pernosines and whatever else. and that's created what we're dealing with now. And that's what I'm doing is scraping it off and stockpiling it to get down to something that's more solid. I mean, just in the section that I can deal with. I mean, obviously I know nothing about this product and not the application. I'm just looking at it from a common sense standpoint. If it's a process and a product that we use a couple of times, it's not working. Makes me think, should we continue to use it? Well, I think the request here is we want to see the mag come back. I'm comfortable that because that's what we've used for 20 years. We were looking at a product that has done well where it was done correctly and it's firm and hard. Most of us here came to that meeting and it was discussed in half the people didn't get over 50 percent, you know, I like it. A lot of people didn't like it. It's not a wide-ing document. I talked about putting the permazine in as the pucks and everything in the recording tape. There wasn't 100 percent, you know, it didn't sound real good to me at that point. And now it's in the, there's no dust control on that at all. And I think it's more of a maintenance thing for your end of it to, to not have the road over time keep getting further and further that don't do anything for the dust. Okay, so you brought a certain magazine for us. Thanks a good opportunity to have all of us and be on the same page. I know in a recent email from Ben's, my interpretation was that you're not a fan of it, the use of it because of the effect it might have on the TDS levels in the water. So you're not like it, you're not saying we should go back on. Well, I didn't say I didn't like it. So the thing about Mag Chloride is, Mag Chloride's great keeping the dust down. But Mag Chloride's not used to actually bind and harden the soil. And it has to be reapplied at least once or twice a year depending on that. And all it does is a full moisture from the air. It kind of keeps the dust down. And so, you know, and just kind of back up and, you know, and these guys kind of know this because they've been in the meetings. But we were kind of. How are backs against the wall that year when we first tried the perversine because that was the spring after the record breaking snow. And it was not just cottonwood trail, it was not just lost touch. It was many roads and silver creek that had flown out and completely disintegrated. It had to be repaired. Given our minimal budget, we went out and looked at options and talked to the county and other municipalities on, they were all in the same situation. How do we stretch our dollars? So when the recommendation is, hey, look at this product because it's for 12 in other areas, we again thought, hey, this will stretch our dollars to do a lot more of the roads and you know it's become clear that some areas it's for dwell in other areas it has it as I explained in that email we know what we know now so in nice I think I explained in the email that we're not going to use it full-time, but we're also not going to get rid of it full-time. It'll just be another quiver and how we look at the roads. So, it's not so easy. You're saying those two products do different things. Correct. Yeah. Okay. So when I heard you say, mag works, let's go back mag. In my mind, it was like, they're equal. They do the same thing. Let's use the same product. Yeah, they're not. So that's good. When I was saying I was more talking to Jeff, we were talking more of the dust and stuff like that. the road needs to be built correctly so that it's firm and correct. This product, the permazine, is made at heart. And there is that it's good. And they refer to the hockey plants, I wish we still had them. But we took samples from different sections of the road. And they made hockey bucks samples. And some were really hard and some were not as hard. So that's what we were supposed to expect out of the road as a pre-treatment to make that road hard so that when we get road a mill or if we do asphalt it's almost prepared ready to go. So, in my understanding correctly when I say if we if we use rotobl, that will solve the problem. We don't need magnesium, and we don't need permazine. If we use rotobl, it is taking for the most part mud and dust out of the equation. equation. What's the complaints that we have here. And you have to feel the roto melt. You do, there's other maintenance things that we will have to do, just as some of the notes in the neighborhood, reddened at the intersection of wasatch and redden there, that actually is like over two feet of rotomail because we had to bring the road up because it always pumped water. I always was having to fix that section of road because it's there in the Mart, the wetlands and stuff. Upper Silver Creek Road is almost reflective of that going up towards North Oak Ridge and so forth. It's over two feet of road of milk because we just continue to build it up so that we can get the road out of the low spots and create our own drainage and stuff. But there's other areas where it's only six or eight inches. We would love to do a lot more with the roads, but we just thought it would. We'd like to see something new. Yeah, well, and again, we're down our last three miles that we need to enter. Westwood, that's the best road I know. I don't drive all over here anymore. But It's darn good road and it started out as a road I've been road. It's better Bob's fault. He'll say he calls me well. Well, I mean it's in hell. It's it's not really. Yeah, it's a pavement. I would comfortably say that 90% of roads are road of mills with asphalt and pallet. And a lot of these roads what we've is, I would say maybe a dozen years ago, we started banking some of the capital reserves to stretch our dollars knowing that if and why in this road of milk became available, because that material was then free, that we tapped into that capital and do a broader section of rogue. Or what we did like for Brennan was through the years and the time there was available, wrote it off. We would lay that down slowly, build it up to where it is out. And again, it's not a, we don't want to do it. We wish we could But you know we we're on our second tax increase in 20 years So you know previous boards never really took the incremental steps to increase taxes So when we did our first one I want to say four years ago now five years ago, that was the first time 16, 18 years that it tax increased for service area was done. Well, I think we can take a deeper look at how expenses are being allocated. And we will talk you about raising taxes for people with paying taxes and are getting the right minimum terms. Yes. You know, one advantage for this year was our road maintenance budget just through normal growth has increased 30% for our road maintenance for about a million tax increases. So you'll know all of the areas going to see more of maintenance going into the roads this year for sure. Let it count like, are we going to see more maintenance going into the roads this year for sure. But it sounds like are we going to address this immediately? It sounds like this is causing harm to their cars and to their safety and to their livelihood of family members coming to the road. Well, like I said, I can get some compresses, you know, some of the rock and special ones you get a greater than the comedy them to get us through, but typically it's not till the end and then they're first to June that we're doing kind of grading and stuff like that. So can you do a quick fix for them and we can make the call tomorrow morning and send the weather I can possibly have them out here by Monday. Okay. How much of an impact will I have on the roads? The budget since it obviously wasn't planned for. They'll give me a rough estimate on few regards and stuff that they feel that they need to put down. Similar to what they did on Los Angeles. Chris, why in your opinion, why does high field work in CO2? The steepness of high field. So it's a forward or a well. If you need to tell them where on high field. To me, I look at high field in three sections. Yeah, so just going up the steepest of my... It seems like, you know, I don't grab it all the time. I'm just like this kind of a trail on seems a world apart than high field. High field seems like a few years ago on high field, we spent some extra money and actually got drainage and some big rip wrap off and the ditches and stuff along the side of high field. So for the most part, the drainage is the most important factor there for high field. So cotton would trail exceed as a saturation drainage issue. And some of that, the law fact is really bad saturated where it was in the snow berms or holding the snow and then it couldn't get anywhere. Yeah. On cotton would trail, we have drainage there, but it's not the best range. Like I said, we need to do some other improvements there that we'd love to do before. We make improvements, but I think given what we're discussing tonight, it may be that we take some different steps to make some improvements and then try to make the utilities and stuff we talk, expecting everything. But I guess the composition of the road itself is the same as cutting the ground. So is it like one more clay, once I like that? Now, several years ago, we changed and were just primarily using the limestone product that comes out of part of Scandinavia because it's such a much better product than clay-based product. Firmed up health savings just did things different and that helped improve roads and total with the limestone product. So you know, they should be pretty much the same at this point. Larry? Oh, sorry. More than you want to recognize it. Larry, even when they've been along and put some good drainage swells along the edge of the road, the snow power driver fills them in. That's a tough one. I've got a note of that from the comment earlier now. That lower section that had referred to the first part of cottonwood trail or you're saying the tuff holes are before you get to Caliote. That was actually crowned really nice this last year and we had drainage going off the road. So clearly our arsenal contractor has flattened it out and now the water is causing some issues because it's not draining. So Rotabind will be real nice. Thank you. So this is Amara. So, just my opinion and the file. So, this is an error. Let's just my opinion and let's make this really interesting. We have been in the South Latvia. I've been living there for 15 years and I have a job for 16. So we have equipped and we have experienced which can drive for another couple of months. And I don't want to get to waste the money for temporary patch. And it was better if it went into that budget, for instance, the development of the community. And I mean, the Hickoryl Terrible. That's been two years. So we've done a couple of months. So I agree. Yeah, and then we'll talk about how to save that money and use it when we made it, while we can really fix it better. They're probably going to just scrape away the patch. Anyways, get out of the way. Yeah, here we are. We've already gotten through a part of the mud season. Now we got some more to go. We went through it last year. We made it. We'll make it again. I'm not desperate to need to have some gravel quick play down. Yeah. Let's save the money. Let's use it for a real I appreciate that, but the agree. I'm about. Yeah, I appreciate that. But the night. Throw some out. If. If there's an issue that comes up in your car is a problem getting through the modern stuff. If you can reach out so that we know. So that it's not scraping the road. Come on. Yeah, we. I'm weren't happy to about.. It's quite as I can and address if we need to address. But if you guys are willing to wait, you know, another 60 days. That would help with the budget. And I, I reckon I was in the meetings when we talked about road alignment and white and what need to be obstries need to get cut down and you know all kinds of stuff. We're never going to get there at our current budget levels that we're doing and so I to hate to and not do something because we want to do that really good project because that's years away. Unless there's some major change to the budget, that jobs not going to happen for a long time. So as good as it would be, let's just do what we can do with what we've got, make it as good as we can. Are we contracted with the permazine product on the solar system? There's no contract whatsoever. It seemed like we kind of struggled with contractors last year. We had the survey a few times and they didn't quite get it right. come great and again, it was kind of getting graded for it seemed like a month over and over. And that's where all the road base ended up in our ditches. So now we're left with this problem where, if we didn't have this special product, we wouldn't have to have the special application. And they wouldn't diving into the road more which is kind of where it's stem from You look in our ditches and all the vultures and all the rock and all of those And bitches that was Adam So, we're going to go to the Okay. Perfect. That's good. Is there anything from the more than you're judging or is there other problems? We'll get to public comments. We'll come back to public comments in a bit. It's going to come if we can get through. So, of course, we're in general. So, if we still talk about trails. If the board wants to take public comments. Trails question. questions. Of course, trails about that are e-bikes, allowed on those. Okay. comments. Trails question. Just of course trails about it are e-bikes allowed on those? I don't put the regulation on that so I actually can't. I don't know. What is the big record? The trailhead going up to those parts. What's the what's the basin reps? Their order is mechanized. So if an e-bike is mechanized then I guess the answer is no, I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. So if an e-bike is mechanized then I guess the answer is no Jeff. Is it a present in Louis Park? I know it's not. Yeah, I know the rest of the trails with basin wrecks says no then no. So what's the definition of an emergency? I thought a lot of the other trails would say no e-bike. Okay, okay. Thank you. Thank you. andin wreck has that requirement. So a basin wreck has control of the trail. Do you see all the e-bikes going up to 24 from the left? If they're at them out right there. But there's thanks for the help. Chris, do you have anything else to help? I don't have anything else for roads or nice to board. I think that hearing none, we'll move on to section seven of the agenda. It's a Jody return it over to you if you have updates that the board needs to hear regarding from office manager. I just have a few updates just very quickly just to update you on property transfers. There have been quite a few already. We've had six closings already in 2025. There's another three under contract and I got a call about another one that was possibly going under contract. So there has been a lot of property transfer activity this year. We had 19 clothes last year and we're already at six so far in the middle of March. One of the things we're working on, what we noticed with these closings is that we were not notified for two of the closings last year in East Creek Rant, which is plat-i. Those, there's 60 parcels over there that are in East Creek that are on mountain regional water. So I think because we don't provide the water in the utility, they're not being recognized as being part of service area 3. So we've been working with Nathan and his firm to post a notice. He's worried about something that would be viewed as an incumbrance, but it's really just a notice to let them know for the title search to recognize that they are in service area three. I'll let Nathan go ahead Nathan. I know I knew he was going to want to speak to it. So the issue here is that these areas were included in the service area, pursuant to the number of county ordinances. These are the ordinances that Annex derives into the service area. But those ordinances are quite old and the county recorder's office is not indexed them to these properties. And so what that means is that the title companies don't know that these properties are in the service area, even though there's a valid ordinance that was recorded, it just hasn't been indexed the property. County Recorders offices said they don't have, they've told us we need to address this issue and personally I think they have the resources to do it. But basically what we're doing is we're preparing notices that say this property was annexed into the service area pursuant to this county ordinance, and then we're including the ordinance and the plat in the notice. And what I, to Jody's point, what I wanna be careful of is under the wrongful lean act, we cannot file something that encumbers or burdens somebody's property. Like for instance, we can't say, hey, you owe its money, unless we we go through the statutory lien process unless they agree to record it or there's some other provisions none of which really apply here. So the best thing we can do and we talked about this with the recorders office is just have a notice that says this property was annexed into the service area pursuant to the attached ordinance which is recorded and is found in the county recorders office at this entry number and then say these are the services the service area provides. I don't think that counts as in the comments because I'm not saying they owe any money that they've done anything wrong all we're doing is just essentially giving the recorders off is something that has a legal description that they can use to index these properties so that the next time a title company goes through they have noticed the fees properties within the service area. So that will make sure that those East Creek ranches which traditionally we haven't been properly notified when they change ownership or receive property transfer fee will get notified doing forward with those. I found that there was two last year that changed ownership without our knowledge and that kind of opened up this can of worms. So we're working on that The last thing is the newsletter normally we send out newsletter quarterly The last one went out in January Normally we would send out the next one in April. I am doing a conservation certification with rural water in early May. So I was hoping to kind of take some of that conservation messaging and information and include it in the newsletters. That probably won't go out until May. And then I think along the same lines with what Nathan was talking about with the new legislation and really an emphasis on conservation, trying to formulate our message there. A lot of the newsletter is already done. We kind of have very similar messages going into each season. Obviously, this season will be getting your sprinklers going, checking for leaks, eye on water, getting people online so they're paying attention and making sure there's no leaks there. And that's pretty much it unless there's any questions. Any questions, Judy? Before we move on to point of clarification, are our trails doing belong to Basin Rec? I have them, thanks, Governor. There's one that belongs to Basin Rec. One of the east to west connectors that come from IAD and connects to where to go in wild. That is a base and wreck trail. So, to your question, were you referring to that trail specifically? How do you send any of the neighborhood here? I have all the worst trails. So, with you know, being on pave ones. Yeah, I would think it would be unfair to have in the record that you know, it's a allowed to write a e-bike. It's over here. It would probably help keep the leads down. Yeah. So, I mean, let me ask a question. My understanding of each other on this was that we owned the trails with the exceptional one you're talking about, but it was the standard, little basic, direct rules which we have been utilizing for trail Usages that not accurate we have our own set of rules for the trade-off or different than other ways. There's a sign on that silver creek trail. That's what those signs came up. The latest service area. Yeah, yeah. We, um, and if we don't know, we can find out. Yeah. Or at least make a decision not to go with basin right Well, we can find out first We're changing if you find out that you did a dot on the dot you don't want to be part of basin right That's great No, I just we don't need those kind of rules and regulations. Thank you, Doty. Moving on to section 8 of the agenda is public comments again. Even if you have public comments whether online or in person, even if you've said your name and address, go before we'd outside you do it again. It's helpful when we're listening in a year and 10 years later. One last thing. Ed Kussel, I'm either six count with trails. I just want to thank all of you. Yeah, this is so heartwarming to see it completely new. Or with seven members, you're willing to serve. I've been on that side of the table. I get it, and so I appreciate what you're doing. I look forward to a really proactive board that we'll listen and so thank you for your service. Thank you. Thank you. Bob Olsen, log 173. This is mostly for Chris, but I think everybody ought to hear it. We've got some people I think they're associated with the power company coming in and doing work on telephone calls. And this is the second time. They brought the vehicle in and they went over a foot down into the soil Where they drove it and they had to bring another one in and hook up to it to pull it out and then that one had trouble getting out I went down looked this morning. They've knocked over one on my trees and They've put ruts in that they're going to take forever to fill. I would sure like to know what these people are going to come on our property. I heard nothing from anybody. Well, go ahead, Rick. I have a phone number for the project manager. over there and make a measurement my property. It's just something so. If you want, I can give you hints. I do need that. I was hoping maybe Chris could work with me on it. Yeah, we can pass that. I think when we talked on the phone, I don't know a lot of that. I was one that called and checked ononia, making sure, because I saw the rest up there in your field. You ought to walk. But of like Rick, I might have the same number, but I know Rick's properties impacted even more than what I thought they were going to impact it. They drove a hole in the middle of his driveway. Yeah. So did they put a transformer? They could have turned another one to, but it's a transformer that wasn't on the plans two days ago and yesterday they were there. Yeah. The stuff going on in lower, we have some idea, but like Bob and I heard there was some stuff going on. I feel all we can do is kind of pass some information along if we don't know what's going on. So I don't know if they have a new manager or not, but this happened a couple of years ago, and they called me on the phone. They said, we put some really deep breaths in your property, and we'd like to give you some soil. I said, don't worry about it. I love what you guys do. to keep in my power on. I'll take care of it. But this time, it is really bad. You've been worse than the first time. I will say, I got zero contact last over the summer when we were coming to did all the construction. Geneva, I didn't get an email, nobody knocked on my door, I just kept doing shit to my property, and then these guys actually knocked on my door. I told you what they were going to be doing. And then when I talk to the project manager, they throw the whole of my drive, he's looking at, thank you, we'll make it right. You've kind of made me a sureances, get any issues give us a call. So they do seem to be a little more responsive in terms of the new stuff. Now, they were very responsive the first time. I just declined their offer. Yeah. But this time, it would take me all summer. Yeah. It's really the real barrel. Yeah. I move gravel that comes off with trail've got a way to trail that washes on my property, the strength and the roads to get to the house. And they just, probably ruined that, like say, knocked over a tree trying to get out. I've heard nothing, so I appreciate a number. Yeah. I do want to make a note that in the lower, we just finished the utility permitting. That's happening kind of by Rixhouse and on Valley Drive. Chris had shut down work there, and we've been trying to get them to comply in permit for at least 45 days. And we just got paid for that permit yesterday. We are not aware we have not been contacted about anything happening in the upper. So there was one I just heard of, I think somebody else said that there was someone walking on their property from Rocky Mountain Power. So we weren't aware of that one. but I was actually going to provide documentation. I had another resident on Valley Drive who's speaking wasn't reading. They, you know, unplugged their beacon or something like that. So I have notified them that they need to work with us and, but we do have permit and contact information now that we just finalize this week. Thank you. So, sorry. Can you stand in order for them to do this type of work, they have to get a permit from your office? When they're working in the right way on our roads, they're supposed to get a utility permit for different things going on. And what Jody's referring to is they submitted this project and it's Valley Drive right but right down and lower and so it was surprising to see like bob to get the calls that people are out on high field and i don't know where this other one that jody referred to is but clearly they're probably preparing for another phase of the project because they're planning our goals it's in the right way it's always in the right way it's on the knot is off the side of the road not all the knot always the bob's The better disruption is in the right way. It's always in the right way. It's on the top of the side of the road. Not always. The bottom of the road is a better description is in an easement that they have access. That's, yeah. So it may not be the right of way of the road, but they'll have an easement. They can't do it anywhere. There's a lot of utilities and it's around. So should they be checking if you guys first, like, hey, word, if you think of their, they should, you would say yes, they should be, but utilities do whatever utilities do sometimes and work catching a map for it. Well, if I'm up in upper and I'm seeing it guys all the time, I should realize there's a problem. And but I'm coming down and I'm seeing them, you know, up there, should I give you a call and say, yeah, that way, like, I wouldn't I'm coming down and I'm seeing them up there. Should I give you a call and say, yeah, that way, like I wouldn't shut them down because they were over on Greenfield Drive doing work. And I'm like, hey, you can't be here. You can't be in my right way doing work and stop them. And that's what got this process going. they've cooked a long time to get to this point with their final paid and approved. So yes, see something, say something just so that we can see what it is and going on. Because we've had the road dug up and we had no clue, you know, people just... And that's not a good thing. Yeah, and the company's called, I think they're a versus city area. It's like 1884. Correct. Yeah. The way that I explained it to me was like, because I got all those lawsuits with the fires and stuff. They're completely on the, they're called as every company that could get sued or for protection or services. But, and what they're trying to do is get all the power underground. Yeah so that there's no more power poles to possibly start the fire similar to California, right? So any additional comments? I have a question. I've already asked Chris a question, but the rest of the board should know of something unconcerned about Did I say 153 on my lot number? That's not my question. Anyway, that's what it's supposed to be. When somebody has a private well, I notice that we don't read their meter because it's a private, they ask the water right to that well. I think that's a big mistake and Chris is talking about maybe doing something about it because I know people who have their own water rights that are going way over the a lot, but that we're required to live by because we don't have our own water rights. And that's not good because it comes out of the same aquifer. And we should make sure that we know what's going on and have some sort of leverage with respect to these people because I know of one case where the water was coming off a water right that we did not own onto a property with a hose so they could have more water and this sort of thing tells me that we may have a problem so we don't even truly understand with respect to private water rights. They go down so, and they can ask the head of the response. So we have metered all of the upper lots that are authorized points of diversion for the service areas right. And we are monitoring those rights. So the challenge is when people, and they can have their own right to go out and buy a water right of their own, The way that our policy is written now is if they have an allocation and they're exceeding that allocation, let's say somebody has an allocation from the service area based on service area rights for one acre foot, but they're using two acre feet. If they can show us that they have an extra acre foot of water rights they own in their name, then they're not going to be exceeding that. The problem we've had, and as I think was noted earlier, is we have some people that were greatly exceeding their allocations, and those folks have now gone out and bought additional water rights to cover their overage. The issue we have is for people that are, let's just say they're not connected to our water system. We have some folks in the lower section that aren't connected to our water system. They have the right to their paying standby fees, but they haven't. They're not using our allocation right now. If they have their own water right and their own well, that's their right. And we don't really have jurisdiction over their water right or their well. If and when they connect to our system, we can require them to dedicate at that time as a condition of connect to our system, we can require them to dedicate at that time as a condition of Connecting to the system and we are aware of some people that have private wells that are diverting them with water rights And I believe Jody correct me if I'm wrong we've we've Contacted the state enforcement folks and have given the state their information But when it comes to private wells that aren't diverting our water rights We don't have any jurisdiction over them if it's If it's a private well that is diverting our water rights, we do have regulations to deal with that. We do require them to get additional water rights if they're combined total of their allocation and their private water rights exceeds the combined amount. But if it's just a private well that is not an approved point of the version for our water rights. That is the state engineer issue, not a service area issue. Nathan, if there was somebody who had one or two water rights purchased, is that noted on their account? I guess that is a combination of questions. Nathan, Jody, is a noted on their account and then we're still monitoring it so instead of using two or three apathy that's either using four or six we would be aware of that. Yeah so the ones that we have contacted about being over their allocation that are in the process of getting additional water rights they've kept us informed you know they've said here's the change application we're filing and so I think for most of the people that we know that and we didn't have a whole lot, but there are a number and some of them were fairly sustained. They've said here's the change application we're filing. And so I think for most of the people that we know that, and we didn't have a whole lot, but they're a number, and some of them were fairly substantially over their allocations. And I haven't been talking to people directly. I have spoken with some of their attorneys, but I think we have an endable and where most of them are in the process of acquiring additional water rights. But the way our regulations work is in the future, Let's say somebody has a, we say, hey, you've got an acre foot allocation, but it looks like you're using more than that. We'll send that. process of acquiring additional water rights. But the way our regulations work, in the future, let's say somebody has a, we say, hey, you've got an acre foot allocation. It looks like you're using more than that. We'll send them a notice. As part of that notice, we'll say, hey, do you have any additional water rights that cover your overage? And so they'll have a chance to say, yay or nay, for the folks that we don't know about. And then they have to provide a document. Yeah. And then that would be included in our files as we go through. But I think for the most part, we're aware of who's over and we have a document. Yeah. And then that would be included in our files as we go through. But I think for the most part, we're aware of who's over. And we have a pretty good idea of where most of those are in the process of acquiring new rights. Right. In the future, we may have people that buy a house, they start to overuse, and we may say, hey, where's your, you don't have enough to do this. this and then we say, oh, well, I got an extra water right here's the information and then we just note that for finally. And for some reason, you keep us in the loop along the way. So last year I notified people as they were getting near going over or going over, I do have a pretty substantial spreadsheet of the final numbers for 2024, who went over and how much. Some people do go on their own and get water rights and some people like I have a resident today who closed on water who just sent me everything and he's very much kept me in the loop. Some people we find out through Nathan because their water attorney contacts Nathan so we find out that way. So I think between Nathan and Chris and I were you know we basically talked to find out you know who's got water and who's in process. Sometimes we don't find out really until they contact Nathan or they do the change application because anything that gets submitted through the division of water rights for a change application to assign the point of diversion, which is their well, is when we would get notified. OK, so the only black box there is an individual who's got a private well and you know one or two whatever private water rights that we have no idea like they could have one water right on their private well and be using three times that much water and we wouldn't know about it. Yes, because some of them, it's really interesting actually. It's been a lot of time this year. I identified about 77 private water rights in Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Sylt, Some of them are in the upper and they're just private water rights. Some of them are dry lots that don't have an allocation and they have to be on. And so there's nothing they have no contact with us at all. They have their private well and their private water rights and have nothing to do with the water rights, some of them are dry lots that don't have an allocation and they have to be on. And so there's nothing they have no contacts with us at all. They have their private well and their private water rights and has nothing to do with us. They don't pay any standby fees or anything like that. That would be a dry lot. And then there are some people that are on a private water right who technically could connect if they wanted to. Some of those private water rights, They do have the meter on it and they do report. They can pay for a beacon and do the water tracking through ion water through our system, but we can't require that. They ask us if they can do that and we do allow them to use our systems and work with them that way. That hopefully answers your question, but we can't mandate it. So when I call people and say, even if I identified, I could see you have a water right, I would recommend getting this in your name. I can't, we can't require it because it's their private water right. We don't have jurisdiction over it. Yeah, it's an interesting point because it's more significant issue than I thought. There are 77 people that could be a tremendous amount of water that's coming out of our aquifer, correct? Correct. They aquifer we use. I mean, that's water-right issues all over the state, right? Everybody uses water and has a limited amount of water available to them by right. And so the question always is, wherever you are, how much are you really using? And so that's sprinkler head size and all of the, you know, I mean, the farmers feel with it all the time with how many heads they have out in the field and how big the nozzles are. They calculate. So it's not a new issue. It's not unique to silver creek. It's that's private water right issues for the state of the area. Right exactly right because we don't have jurisdiction over the aquifer our job is not to manage the aquifer. We don't have to we don't our job is to manage our water rights and our water system. This right have to Canada and drainage? Yes. It could be used by us. Yeah, so there is a sign of water management plan that the state engineer has enacted. And so if you're moving water, it basically prohibits the movement of all water rights that are out currently located outside of the Snotterille basin, into the Snoterville basin. And so if you're trying to get water into silver creek, if you're trying to buy water rights, you can only really acquire water that's already approved for use and existing right in the Snoterville basin. And even then, it has to be an East Creek drainage. There is a little part of the service area that's in a different sub drainage, and there There is some policies and procedures by which you can move those between drainages under the management plan, but it's difficult. Well, there's a conjotti. Does Kelly know what they had to get under a conditional use when they got their license and to obtain another acre foot of water? And I heard it was from Morgan. Do you know where that, how? I don't know where there is, but they do have additional water. And one of the things I looked up many years ago was the state engineer, they're the state hydrologists and their geologists, they do a study on aquifers. And so when the state issues the water rights, they're not issuing any more water rights in this area than pervading the issue. So that's a good thing for us. The other thing that's good for us is our drainage in our immediate area where the aquifer in reserves starts hitting something like a hundred000 acre feet of water in reserves. That's in our physical aquifer. So, you know, from that standpoint of what's needs our feed and the natural multiple layers of aquifers, there's plenty of water. Thank you. Any additional public comments? Any other comments? Any other comments on the right motion? We have a close session. Yeah. I don't need anyone. Someone just to read that. He's a verbiage owner. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to put it in the chat. At the bottom there. Make a motion to enter a closed session and discuss the character of professional confidence or physical mental health of an individual pending or reasonably imminent litigation and or the sale or purchase of real property pursuant to Utah code 5-2-4-204-205. Okay. Second. Rick made the motion. Scott Seconded. All those in favor? All right. That's the division. Yeah. We're going to have to go. We're going to have to go. We're going to have to go. The time is 7-10pm on Tuesday, March 18, 2025. I think this is a bit of a serious matter. How many out of public sessions? Joey, let me know when I'm recording his talk. I don't think it was best for my mom. I think it was best for my mom. It's a nice, pretty good idea. It's great to see you on what you know this. Yes. I don't know. Alright, stop. I think you might want to know that. You get those words mixed up, mate.