I'm going to call the planning and zoning meeting for August 14th, 2024 to order. Can we get a roll call? Chairman Kennedy. Mr. Anna Kovix. Mr. Duane. Mr. Malthatano. Mr. Hatcher is excused. Mrs. Havanaugh. Mr. Rainbird. Okay, there is no approval of minutes at this time. There's also no old business at this time. So we'll move directly to new business. First item under new business is VA2413. Request for variances from Article 3 and Article 5 of the Land Development Code to allow for the construction of a detached garage totaling 8, 788 square feet in the 40 foot front yard setback of the property located at 1719 South River Side Drive. Staff and Board, please. Thank you, Chairman. There are a question before you. It's from Article 3, Section 21-30602 to allow an accessory structure to be located in the front yard, Article 3, Section 21, 3602J to allow the applicant to have three accessory structures on the parcel, and Article 5, Table V1 to allow the reduced staff act of 25 feet of the front yard in lieu of the required 40 feet for our one property. Staff did send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject property shown on your screen and included this aerial map. The applicant is requesting a detached garage totaling 788 square feet in the front of the home. According to Article 9, Section 21104D, non-administrative varianceance, in order to grant a Non-Administrative Variance Staff Shall Make Following Findings of Facts of the Sixth Criteria, Staff Reviewed the Application and Found that the applicant could not meet all six criteria. Staff would be happy to go into details regarding that staff report if requested and at this time staff does not recommend approval for BA 2413. Thank you. I will open the public hearing and ask if the applicant is in the audience. Yeah. OK. You're not required to say anything, but if you want to come up, give us your name and address. We may have some questions for you. OK. My name is David Conlon. I'm the owner registered owner of 1719 South Riverside Drive. So I'm requesting the variance for the DTAR DTARCH garage. I have three kids. I have a lot of cars now. All right, each one lives driving at least two of them, third one on the way and there's just nowhere to park. All right, that and I also have another storage unit that I'm paying almost $600 a month for. So I need that extra storage area. My front yard, the main variance was basically having in the front yard where my front yard is kind of a special circumstance because it's borders to other backyards to the property. It's not visible from Riverside Drive. I believe that I do meet the 5-intense first special condition based on the location of my property. It doesn't meet up to Riverside Drive. It's actually set back and there's actually a property in front of us. So it's gotten a little different from everyone around me. For the second one I do for above conditions or not a result of my actions that you know I didn't create that condition that's the way the property was created when I was subdivided into three different pieces of property from the original plot. I am deprived of rights and joy by others. Right now, basically just looking at that aerial over side drive, there were 11 different pieces of property in the area on where side drive alone that have detached garage in the front yard. I have those addresses also if you would like. We have them, thank you. You guys have questions? I have those addresses also if you would like. We haven't. Thank you. You guys have questions? Well, first, my question to, can I ask the questions aboard first? Have you seen this property? Oh, yeah. My grandma lives across the street. I mean, I went out there and I saw this massive structure in front of your house. I can't see. You can't see my house. And it was the most the saw thing I've ever seen. I've never seen property laid out like this. So I just wanted to clarify if you had not seen the property. It's a massive structure. That's yeah, it's just a garage. It has five bay doors and it totally conceals this gentleman's house and is properly seen. I'd be going to see this from the road. I just wanted to point it out. In your favor, sir. So for the fourth, you know, yes, you know, for minimum size, you know, I would be the doing the minimum size. It's around 20 24 feet wide so you know 34 feet wide I'm sorry because it has a little storage area next to the actual two-car garage storage so I'm not going any bigger I'm not going two stories and single story and then in harmony you'll keep in that harmony with the actual residence all the buildings around so my house was built by Hicks and construction we We plan on using the same exact materials. This is going to be a metal structure. This would be built to the same grade as my current home is built to. This one question is that third building of the storage? I'm not sure where it came from. That's actually a shed. When I built the house. There was a shed on property already. I replaced the existing shed. I gave it up and went to my neighbor and put a shed in the same exact spot from where that was when I built the house. Yeah, 2017. That would be going away. Okay, so you're basically down to two structures, not three? Correct. Okay, that's important. that was not my initial application that was added after. Ryan did you? Did they? Oh, staff added that just because we have had this before we're not saying you did that. But applicants miss something so staff just cover faces, grows in everything that the applicant would need to facilitate what they want to do so that they don't have to come back in a second time because that has happened before. So is that piece with the third structure going to stay in the... No, so if he says he only needs two then... Okay, we don't need it. That was based on staff's view of the aerial that we had. Yeah, the shed's actually in the southwest corner there. Yeah. Sheds actually in the Southwest corner there. Yeah, that was that was like I said there was an existing shed that was there when I built the house that would be going away. Okay Did Dallas add that picture that I saw Okay, thank you. Yeah, this is just a just a you know one a plan that I found for that we would follow the same plan But the exterior would be built to the same party board sodding both You know the plank as well as the shake metal roof just the same as mine. And no no objections from any of the neighbors. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, you can come up. I need your name and your address. You'll have three minutes. My name is Cheryl Ballombini. I leave at 1705 Southropicide Drive since 1999. And I'm gonna give you a bigger picture of what's going on here, okay? I'm gonna read it, hopefully I don't get too fast. My house stands in the corner of the parkwood lane in Riverside and I'm tired of waiting my property to flood as several of my neighbors south of me having the area that we were concerned about here. I've seen unpermitted concrete walls going up to the east and the west and then the north and into the north to mitigate water onto that property. What does that concern me? My property is directly to the north of where that water runs. I have personally stood in Parkwood Lane with the water up to my ankles. I am north of that. I have my properties on there. I've seen an unpermitted earth and dam back yard built to the south of this proposed garage Which precludes any water from directing virgin to the original virgin industry to the river as this is done in the past All this water will be channeled through the structures sitting at 1717 and 1715 Riverside Drive on to Parkwood Lane and Riverside Drive. As the igress egress of this water is stopped, as it is done on the south side and the north with the wall, building a new detached grotch onto a concrete pad will only increase and exacerbate the water trying to seek its point of least resistant, north onto Riverside Drive and the surrounding homes. Most days on a good afternoon shower Riverside Drive north between Virginia Street and South, no, on Virginia Street and South of Harden Place is inaccessible due to the water on the sidewalks. Residents and visitors are forced onto the busy Riverside Drive, which are referred to as alternate US1 South. There's a loss, this is a lawsuit against the city of Edgewater waiting to happen. Not to that of the school bus, also the school bus stuff, which is also in the very same area that the children exit many times into puddles of water. My neighbor directly north of me rarely is able to enter her circular driveway without going into the pool water on both sides. All this being said, I'm all for residents wanting to improve their property. It is their right. But it must be done judiciously. Intercoints with said standards. In such a way does not impede the right of your neighbors from enjoying their hardwood one property without the fear of flooding from an avoidable source. Lord knows we fear what God and Mother Nature does to our backyards naturally in every hurricane season. I cannot in good conscience support this request for the variance at 1719 South Riverside Drive. Thank you. I'm Jay Michael McKay. I live at 17, 17 South Riverside Drive. And I own that ugly two story commercial style warehouse that you're referring to. That was built because a variance was not allowed for three feet of property. Plenty of you saw how much land there is in front of that. It wasn't allowed. Nice two story, $300,000 home, and you've got that ugly commercial style warehouse, which is why I bought my property. I wanted a big garage. Well, I got one. Well, what I also got was baggage from the city. You put in a river walk. You guys, I know you didn't do it, but prior to you, somebody decided to put a river walk in and And they had elevation surveys. They had all the criteria necessary to do it right. But they failed to connect Virginia Street to Parkwood Lane, where there's a storm sewer. So what that lady was referring to is flooding that actually takes place from Virginia Street all the way to 1601 Riverside and his kids. They have to stand in the water sometimes too and this isn't his fault. It's not my fault. The city had an opportunity to put in a storm sewer and Didn't do it. So what you have and I think I heard Cheryl mentioned that there's a lawsuit just waiting to happen all Morgan and Morgan have got a ears is what's going on here tonight And then if somebody walks out into traffic. Well, let's not get into that. They have to walk into. You start at Virginia Street after even a quarter of an inch of rain and you're in two inches of water on the sidewalk. It's not his fault. His property, he's a great neighbor. He lives right behind me. He has to look at that ugly structure every time he goes in and out of his property. And so there's an incongruent, is that the, yeah, Pete Helstin used to be on your PLDRC. He lived next door to him. And he did everything he could possibly do to get a storm sewer put in. He was a national transportation safety board, flight crash investigator. He was an embryo little professor. He didn't need to be advising the city of edgewater, but he had skin in the game. A lot of water gathers in front. In fact, the lion's share of water gathers in front of that structure, which is now owned by another gentleman who wants nothing to do with this whole He's like I don't want to leave the city alone. This isn't my deal. So why I'm standing here is I believe as she'll say This man should be allowed to do with his property. It's his property should do whatever I didn't see here what I saw in another presentation that was turned down where Marshall provost and associates did a site plan for mitigation of stormwater, but it was still turned down because the mitigation plan. Sir, your three minutes. Am I done? Yes, sir. I'm off. Please. Thank you. Anybody else from the audience have any comments or questions? I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a motion. Okay I make a motion to approve DA 2413. Now, how do you want me to zero in on that piece with the the extra shed? The extra shed. Eliminating the request for the condition that the shed on the southwest corner be read. So again, making a recommendation to approve the A-2413 with this stipulation at the third structure the shed will be removed leaving only two the chairman Kennedy Mr. Ann Covex Mr. Duane Mr. Malfa Tano Mrs. Havner Mr. Rainbird the next time on the agenda is V-A-2414 request for variance from article five of the land of element code to allow for the construction of a swimming pool to be constructed 20 feet from the mean high water line at 166 east of the borough . Thank you city Thank you. City staff did send out public notes within 500 feet with this attached aerial image. The African is requesting the variance. We're going to pull within 50 feet. I mean high water line setback. Point to article five section 21-5002. Table V01 footnotes. You have to have a 50 foot. I mean high water line setback. CO2, table V01 footnotes. You have to have a 50 foot, I mean, high water line setback in your rear yard against the river. The applicant is seeking 20 foot step back on the mean high water line. The property is .95 acres. Staff did receive comment from property owners at 193 Hazelwood River Road expressing concerns with regards to the variance and the possibility of a screening enclosure for the pool. Staff did review the application within the criteria of Article 9 section 21-100.040 non-administrative variance and found that the applicant could not meet all six criteria. Staff would be happy to go into detail at this time. Staff does not determine approval for VA 2414. Thank you. I will open the call to hearing. I assume you're the applicants. Yes, I'm Lori Adams. 166 East Corrie Drive, edge one. Okay. Thank you. Questions? Boarded. We're starting the other part of the area. How does there were other pools that were within the? You want to run? Right. You just turn one. And just of note, we are not putting a screen enclosure on the pool. Okay. Thank you. So in the staff report, staff did note for question two, we're granting the proposed variance result in creating or continuing use, which is not compatible with adjacent uses in the area. The following neighborhood properties have in ground swing pulls within the mean high water line, 165 Cory Drive, 146 Cory Drive, 142 Cory Drive. So there are a number of pools that have been granted a variance. And if I had quite a few, I know that's not a regular thing. Do you guys have questions for the applicants? How much? Well, I guess I'll give you a second. Sorry. Well, do you have questions for Ryan? I guess I just want to know how close the other pools are because this one's, what is it? They were under a variance. I don't have this specific on each of them. I just, we pulled all the variants for the mean high waterline, pool variances in the past couple years in general vicinity. Along the ribicide drive in the past, we have had situations with less than this clearance between the end of the property and the end of the property. One app, Pelican was granted within this just last year. So since you know, you're also trying to know that we've had protocol for life. Okay. It's not the first time you've seen it. I mean, that I'm actually pool contractor. I probably pulled. May we have your name and address, please? Nils Erickson, Holocaust Poles. I've probably been here four or five times for the same reason. I'm Adam Tenke. I'm doing another one of the end of the quarries on the opposite end, where they got one as well. Just to make comment. Thank you. Any other public comments or questions? I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a list. I make a motion to recommend approval of V8-2414. As stated, now I have to add that the screen is not going to be built. Well, that's up to your discretion. I think is that fair to say the screen is not going to be built? Definitely not. We're not going to be able to set up. Okay, so I make a motion to recommend approval of V8 2414 as written except the fact that the screen room is not going to be added to the pool. Oh, who's second, Mr. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Andrew Crowvix. Okay. All done. Chairman Kennedy? Yes. Mr. Andrew Kovix? Yes. Mr. Duane? Yes. Mr. Malflatano? Yes. Mrs. Havanaugh? Yes. Mr. Rainbird? Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. I didn't build a screen on either of these. I don't build a screen. I don't know if it's exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you so much. Thank you. Good luck. Okay. Next item on the agenda is VA2415. Request for multiple variances from the land development code for a detached garage at 3032 Unity Drive. Staff report, please. Thank you. The applicant is requesting requesting series of variances from the land development code for a detached garage at 3032 Unity Tree Drive. City staff did send out public notice within 500 feet with the attached aerial image. The applicant is requesting to construct an accessory building, more than 60% of total square footage of the principal structure. The construct an accessory building five feet from the side setback, and footage of the principal structure, the construction accessory building five feet from the side setback and lieu of the required 10 feet, the construction accessory building 10 feet from the rear setback and lieu of the required 20 feet, constructed an accessory building two feet higher than the height of the principal structure to increase the maximum building coverage, the 34% and lieu of the required 30% maximum for the R2 zoning district and to construct a secondary paved driveway apron adjacent to the primary driveway and lieu of the required 10 foot separation. Again, this is for a detached garage. Staff did review the application with regards to Section 21100-04D, not administrative variance, and found that the applicant could not meet all six of the criteria. Staff was happy to go into any details within the staff report. Staff does not recommend approval for VA 2450. Thank you, sir. the public hearing and ask if the applicant is in the audience. The board. Staff is does not recommend approval for VA 2450. Thank you, sir. I will open the public hearing and ask if the applicant is in the audience. Name and address please. Don Redfern, 3032 Unity Tree Drive. Ryan Stevens, on the contractor 2900 Citrus Drive Edgewater. The first thing wanted to address was the first picture that showed, still had the pool in the backyard. That pool is no longer there when we bought the house we had to remove it. There's also a burn pit back there. That's going to be removed. There's also a shed back in the corner that will be removed. So if that leaves a lot more of the yard open for grass and whatever. So it seems like that particular building is not taking up the whole backyard because a lot of the backyard really cleared out. Part of the reasoning we said it and asked for, sorry, I'm too short, so I'm not seeing everybody here. I feel the pain. We're asking for the five foot side setback just to make it easier. The one side has a 16 foot from the property line to the house. That gives us access for a garage door to come in is why we're trying to move it over the five foot. There is room to move it back the other direction. There's a gravel driveway that goes from the road all the way back half of the house and if we can have the variance and move the shop over closer to the side fence then there would be a straight shot through there where we could put the door it would make it a little easier I think for construction maybe but it also would be more pleasing for the neighborhood as you drive by it doesn't have an offset as you drive by, you see the house and then you'll see this beautiful shop that this gentleman's going to build for us. So it just made more sense to have it closer that way. We also, I don't know if you want to say anything else, we'll go ahead. Where my husband and I, he couldn't be here tonight. Can you speak into the mic? I'm sorry. Can you speak into the mic? Can you speak? We'll mic down. I use the mic down. You can get a lot louder. There, I can see you on that. We're new to the area and we're going to be down here full time. He needs this to put a place for him to do his hobbies and whatnot. But it's also, as we drove through the neighborhood back there, we noticed, you know, there's a lot of hardworking people. Obviously you can tell that and they've built a lot of structures and we did, we observed a lot of structures that had pretty much the same variance that we're asking for in this meeting. And so we just kind of want you to take that into consideration. We don't really feel like that we're asking for something above and beyond what other people may have asked for already and had been approved. So we kind of hope you consider that. I can't think anything else. Questions? Yeah. My big question is the size. Right. It's big. Right. Does it have to be that big? And according to my husband, yes. He does the hobbies that your husband is going to indulge in. He does, he rebuilds motorcycles and he has some equipment that he would like to have room for to put in that. That should be stored in it. There is a lot of stories that we would like. He wanted it bigger. We wanted it to stories so we could do stories in the top and we were told that we couldn't go above the roof line of the house. So we had already lessened it, kept kind of the footprint, but took it from two story down to one story. One to ten foot. To give us a little like shelf areas, one right to the ten foot. You said you drove through the neighborhood, drove through the shores and used your other structures. Yes. I've also seen other structures, and I don't know how they were ever passed. Truthfully, I don't know what the board was doing at that time of, it was before me. And I'm just tired of seeing warehouse structures. I know you used the term warehouse being put on a house. Now this structure is going to be wood-fraing. I'm talking about size. being put on a house. Now this structure is going to be wood framed with a thing called the size. I'm talking about size because the look wise is going to match the house. No, I understand that. I understand. It won't be like one of the big steel buildings. And most of the structure is going to be behind the house. So you're not even going to see it when you drive by. You'll see a garage door and it's gonna look like a yeah I like to throw my question to the book to other members I'm addressed to the question of size Please What sticks out to me the other asks aren't that big but the height Think that's what we've been paying attention to lately. You can hide over the house. Right. So if it's behind the house. Right. So you don't want to see it. You're still going to see it. But I'm just talking about the size. It would not be. We could lose the. We could keep it the same height of the house. Yes. We could be. Right. You can reduce the two foot. Yes. Yes. I think that's an important piece. Are you others? I'm asking about size. What do you feel size wise? Yeah, I think it's a little big. Is I don't do I don't work on motorcycles. I don't know how much room you need. Is there any wiggle room to reduce this size? I mean, if it means a difference between yes or no from y'all, yeah, we could probably address that. There is some wiggle room there, I think. There's my next door neighbor who read us motorcycles he's got. I mean, it's about the same size. A little bigger than our house. It's like a warehouse type thing. But it's full of motorcycles. I mean, it works on them and it has a garage. I mean, it's a pretty big thing. It has like 100 motorcycles in there. Well, no, we're not that way at all. But there is a lot of storage involved in doing that. I understand, but still the structure. So give me an idea of what you could bring it down to. We're going to need that. 34% over the 30%. Could we take you to just 30% and 34% right? 30% is just to clarify. So the principal structure is 1,829 square feet. That's based off of property price. Their structure, their requesting the successory structure is 1,400 to 80 square feet. Correct. Correct. Which is 81% of the main structures. Yeah, 81% as opposed to being supposedly 60%, no more than 60%. So, help me outboard. I mean, I'm fine with it. You're fine with it? Not that big of an ask really if you look at the question. Well, if you can say that that two feet is going to be brought down. Yes. Okay. All right. So I would say if one of the board members wanted to make that motion, just omit the height out of the motion. Right. Because they did not request a waiver from M of the code, which is the facade requirement. Like you have seen in the past where those steel buildings get built. Yes. That's when those facade waivers are asked for it. In this case, because they're not asking for that facade waiver, when a building permit comes in, they're going to have to submit you know the facade okay all right that's I thank you I appreciate that thank you thank you thank you are your shelves but is that doable I'm sorry sorry about your shelves but that's doable I don't know but yeah that's doable thank. I appreciate your consideration from that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Any other comments or questions? I'm gonna close the public hearing and ask for a motion Make the motion to approve VA2415 Second rain bird You said don't second rain bird It was no motion. They're not asking for the height. They are. They are. So we're just going to omit the height. No condition. No conditions. Prove the a 24. One five omitting the height. Second rain bird. Well. I'm not clear. I'm meeting the height. Just to omit the height. I'm in the height. I made number four. Number four. So you want me to still make number four. There are for occasion. So it's going to have a condition. Yes. Thank you. A condition. It's going to take a minute. Okay. Thank you. Let's try this again. Third time to charm. I make a motion to approve VA2415 omitting number four. the two foot higher than the height of the principal structure. Okay, thank you. Get all that. All right. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Malfotano. Yes. Mrs. Habner. Yes. And Mr. Rainberg. Yes. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Malfotano. Yes. Mrs. Havanaugh. Yes. And Mr. Rainberg. Thank you. Okay. Next item on the agenda is VA2417. Request for a variant from the Land Development Code to allow for a rear setback of four and a half feet in lieu of the 20 foot. Setback for a screenroom located at 3409 Woodland Drive. Staffing, please. Thank you, Chairman. Did he staff sent out public notice within seven feet of the subject property? Yapkin is requesting to build a attached screenroom in the rear of the property. They from the variance they are requesting in the rear of the property. From the variance they are requesting is from R to 5. Able V1 site dimensions allow that said 4.5 foot set back from the rear property line in the R2 zoning district. Here's the site plan submitted with the application. So the lot is not your typical 80 by 125 R2 zoning in floor floors lot with the canal in the rear yard. your typical 80 by 125, R2 zoning in floor doors lot with the canal in the rear yard. It is 80 by 100. And that's due to the city on canal running along the rear of the property. According to Article 9, Section 21100.04, D-9 administrative variance. Staff found that the applicant could not meet all six criteria. Staff does not recommend approval for VA 2417. We happy to answer any questions the board may have. Thank you. I will open the public hearing and I assume you're the applicant. Yes, sir. I'm the general contractor for the homeowners. Name and address please. Elliot Meadows, 590 Lake, I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. I'm not sure if you can see it. They lose all that They did previously allow us. I say they the city did allow us to permit the I don't know if we could change this but put it up to the yeah right there We were able to permit this brick pavor patio with a little fire pit there We just like to put a basically a screened enclosure to close that in because the mosquitoes are pretty bad by the canal There is a brick wall there That was already built so somebody already got some sort the canal. There is a brick wall there that was already built. So somebody already got some sort of a variance to build the brick wall in that setback already. We're just hoping to follow the path of that brick-pavari area. And the reason why we can't do it on the triple lot next door is because he's about to move his elderly mom in. We're going to build them mother-in-law, ADU there for her. So, or else we would have put it over there. So, we're kinda stuck putting it there if you guys would allow it. Thank you. Questions? No, I think that canal is a big piece of this. There's no question about that. It changes the whole idea of what's being asked. Thank you. Thank you, Gus. Any other questions or comments from the audience? I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. Make a motion to approve VA to for one, seven. Second, who is a race? Second was Bob. Yes. Thank you. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Thank you. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Mr. Dwayne. Yes. Mr. Malflatano. Yes. Mrs. Havanaugh. Yes. And Mr. Rainbird. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Next item on the agenda is SP2319. Request for approval of proportionate share traffic agreement and major site plan for a 196 unit build to rent residential development located north of Jones Fish Camp Road, East of US1 on the Edgewater River Oaks planned unit development. Staff report, please. Thank you, staff. Did send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject property shown here in yellow. This is the aerial image sent to within the public notice. Staff has reviewed the application for the major site plan which is 196 unit build a rent multifamily development. I hear his site plan. The TRC found that the applicant had met the land development code and the Edgewater River Oaks MUPUD, which was approved last November through ordinance 2023, O-37, recorded at book 8494 page 1398. City staff is recommending approval for the major site plan. This is an administerial decision staff through its third party engineers. Its traffic consultants have reviewed the site plan for all the criteria within this mixed use PUD agreement as well as those policies within the land development code in Confland and I found that the applicant has satisfied that criteria. In addition because the level of service on Jones Fish Camp, the number of developments occurring on Jones Fish Camp Road, the applicant has through the traffic study the TIA, identified a proportioned chair agreement, which means that the project would grade the level of service of the road and in lieu of impact fees, which is that capacity difference, they pay impact fees, they need to pay an amount of money to help enhance that road. So this agreement is a lump sum payment from the developer that I'll go into a fund that the city will use to then rebuild essentially Jones fish camp road here in the future. And so that is what is before planning and zoning board tonight. Okay, I will open the public hearing. I do have a question. So is the engineering department have they committed to a time frame for any improvement to the road once they receive funding? No, so we're still working. So if we recall, Edgewater River Oaks is basically an East and a West PUD in the essence. It's a mixed-use PUD on the west side. We have this multi-family development by Taylor Morrison. And on the east side, we have the dry stack storage, the marina, the hotel, and the restaurant and bar. So right now, that is going through, now that was part of this TIA, but So right now that is going through, that was part of this TIA, but as far as that is going through the preliminary site plan process, so when that goes through that process, they will then bring forth that proxure agreement for their portion of the traffic. And then the city health also has contributions for Jones Fish Camp Road that will use impact fees to help upgrade that road at that time. And it's anticipated right now that because all this adult element is occurring that Jones Fish Camp will not be constructed until after everything is done so that the road isn't torn up. The whole project is about $3.7 million for Jones Fish Camp Road and there's also a traffic signal is required at Jones Fish Camp and US 1. Okay, thank you. Good evening for the record Jessica Gow, a call call call offer, Monday tone boulevard, and Sunday tone of beach. You guys probably remember going through the PUD process with this. It was Mark Watts with our office who presented back in November. Like Ryan said, this is just the first phase that build a rent that have your commercial phase will come after this. We do have our engineering team and our traffic consultant here. If you guys have questions, the staff report noted that we meet all land development code requirements and of the PUD. And like Ryan just noted, the prop share and the site plan are just for this build of rent portion. The second phase when that comes in, we believe will require more detailed prop share agreement as we call them. That will contemplate some of the installation and timing of those actual roadway improvements to get that efficiency built in. Okay. And we're here for questions. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I'll open the public hearing and ask if there are any comments or questions. I'll remind everybody again. I'll name your name and address when you come up and you have three minutes to speak. Thank you, board. Daniel Lewis, 100 Lewis Street. I'm here on behalf of Creative Pathways Preparatory Academy. At 42-33 Southridge would avenue. We have lots of questions. And I'm glad, hopefully, that somebody is here that can answer those on how all of this development is going to impact the safety and security of our children at our school, as well as traffic and flow of things coming in and out of the school and how the roadway is going to be impacted. I've heard roadway is going to be impacted. I've heard that there's going to be a traffic light there as well as other things. But all of this development is surely distracting to the students. And I just want to comment with all the construction that happened next door with the dollar general market. There was a lot of aggravation to the students at various times while they were testing and doing other things, distracting them from doing their school work with a little bit of trouble because of all the things that are going on. So I hope that someone can keep us in the loop and let us know how all this billing and such is going to impact our school there on the corner and hopefully we can have a reasonable accommodations for that. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Maryland Bennett, 194 Jones Fish Camp Road. The question I have is, do you know at this point what kind of improvements you're going to have the Jones Fish Camp Road like making it wider? I don't know if this is the appropriate question at this time, but it was concerned about like are you making it wider or just exactly do you have any kind of details on the road itself? Thank you. Yeah, so Jones Fish Camp will be widened at a later date. Right now it looks like it'll be three lanes. It won't be a full third like a suicide lane down the middle, but it will have subsequent left turns, one into dollar general, one into at Allis Street on Riverfront Estates, which I mean myself on my own comment. Allis Street right now, here on the front of the States, this will have a left in to that multi-family as well as the right-hand decel lane into their development from US one. And then there'll be another subsequent left in turn lane into the marina. Okay, so there is a left turn that will be to go to the... So there'll be a left at dollar general. Okay. A left at basically the intersection of Jonesfish Camp in Alice. Okay. And then there'll be a left into the arena problem. And to widen that road, which side of the road, or do you know at this point how much you're going to be taking off of the properties? The right way right now, you know, I could add TMC. It's a 50 or 60 foot right away. So there is adequate room right now. The sidewalks that were put in will have to be moved to a constant room. Okay, adding answers to some of my questions. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments or questions? All right, I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. Motion to approve. SP 2319. Chairman Kennedy. Mr. Andrewwayne. Mr. Dwayne. Mr. Dwayne. Mr. Dwayne. Mr. Dwayne. Mr. Dwayne. Mr. Dwayne. Mr. Brian, the development that's there now, homes and townhouses, that's another telemoresan project. Will they be participating or contributing to the proportion share improvements on Jones Fish Camp Road? Because I know we didn't come across that. When I was approved, I think about that. There are repeated at the date. Need to pick up a bit of an issue. So no, it was not done correctly in the past. And it is now considered background traffic. And so the city will need to pick up the background traffic because it was not done correctly in the past. I didn't think we addressed that last time. Pardon? I didn't think that came across art table. So the city is on the hook on this agreement for roughly around $760,000. Thank you. We already vote. Yes, yes. Sorry. Okay, next item on the agenda is CPA 2405, 2405. Request for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment from commercial to low density residential for three parcels located on the south side of Palm Breeze Drive east of US one. Do you have a foreplease? Thank you. The app pin is requesting a small scale comprehensive plan amendment from commercial to low density residential for three parcels located on the south side of Palm Bree, Palm breeze drive east of US 1 the three parcels together are 0.72 acres Staff did send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject property shown here on the screen There are questions for you is this small scale conference of plan amendment staff did find that the small scale comprehensive plan amendment would not be in conflict with the comprehensive plan nor would it be in conflict with the joining neighborhood is basically a cul-de-sac development and that these three lots really didn't at being .72 acres considering the city has has up the stormwater requirements to the hundred year flood that it would be very difficult to really build any sort of commercial use point seven two acres and that seeing that these were already platted as residential lots changing to the future land use to low density residential, was not adequate. Staff is available for that. Okay, thank you. I'll open the public hearing and ask if there are any comments or questions. I'm John Leslie. I'm John Leslie from Palm Beach Drive. And this is real relevant to the next one, 24.09, which is what's to the next one, 2409, which is what's to take the small residential street. Now right now there are 14 houses on that street and if you put this amendment in there that allows three parcels which can be four units per parcel, that's an additional 12 units that possibly could land on that street with our Sorry sir, let me just for the record so it's for dwelling units per acre This is less than an acre of land. So there's only before houses on the on the street Three three houses three There's only going to be three houses because on the next one that you were just alluding to will restrict it to the size of the parcels they are now. That's the same zoning urine so you could only build one house per parcel. Okay. Then so by question, thank you. We're here to serve. Okay. You did. You work out that way. Any other questions or comments? This is a good point. Okay, I'll close the public hearing and ask for a minute. Make a motion to send a favourable recommendation or are we approving? All right. Yes, all right, great. Make a motion to send a favourable recommendation to CPA 2405. Second round, please. make a motion to send a favorable recommendation to CPA 2405. And that was for recommendation to approve. Yeah. I need to find it here. Okay. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Malfotano. Yes. Mrs. Habner. Yes. And Mr. Rainburn. Yes. Thank you. Okay. The next item is related to the last. It is RZ-2409 request to amend the zoning map from B3 highway commercial to R3 residential for three parcels located on the south side of Palm Breeze Drive, EESWS1. Step 4, please. Thank you, staff did send public notice within five hundred feet of the subject properties. The three properties total 0.72 acres. Yep. the three properties total 0.72 acres. Yeah, and is requesting a rezoning from B3 highway commercial to R3 residential. All three properties do meet the R3 zoning code. So there will be no non-conforming lots, despite this somewhat stranger shape of the lot on South Ridgewood Avenue. So the minimum lot with is 75 feet minimum locked death is 115 with a 30 foot front setback, 20 foot rear and a 10 foot side. All the adjoining properties on Palm Creek Drive are all three, R3, except for two properties in unincorporated location. Thank you. All right. I'll open the public hearing and ask for any comments or questions. Four comments or questions. I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. Motion is send to favourable recommendation to City Council for RZ2409. Second. Trees, I think Treesse gotcha. Good. Good girl. I think I think I think I think Teresa gotcha. Okay, Chairman Kennedy. Yes, Mr. Andrew Crowvix. Yes, Mr. Duane. Yes, Mr. Malfotano. Yes, Mrs. Havner. Yes, and Mr. Rainbird. Yes, thank you. Okay, next item on the agenda is RZ2408. Request for a change to the zoning map for 3.679 plus acres located at 2360 South Ridge Wood Avenue from B3 highway commercial to city BPUD business plan unit development. Staff report, please. Thank you, Chairman. City staff did send up public notice within 500 feet of the subject property including this aerial image. The subject property is 3.679 plus or minus acres. The request before you is a rezoning from B3 highway commercial the city business planned unit development. So the plan unit development designation is a conditional zoning district intended to provide a flexible approach, free and unique and innovative land development proposals, which could not be accomplished under conventional zoning. A PUE, in this case a business PUE, that establishes permitted uses and specific development requirements. A conceptual development plan illustrates the general location and intensity of land uses within the development. As such, this is the conceptual plan provided by the applicants. So the BPUD agreement for the first business park allows for a total of 24 commercial units. Units may be combined after the discretion of the developer. The BPUD has specified permitted uses such as contractor flex space, general retail personal services, office, outdoor storage is prohibited though. The agreement sets a maximum height of 30 feet, a maximum building coverage is 60% and a maximum pervious coverage of 75%. A minimum of 90 parking spaces or 3.75 spaces per unit and a minimum of 4 ADA American Disability Act spaces shall be required. The building setback on US 1 is 40 feet, which is consistent with the B3 highway commercial, the rear, west building setback is 40 feet. The side to the north is 40 feet. And the side on Oak Branch Drive is 30 feet. As stated before, the maximum height is 30 feet. City staff did put in the new landscape offer requirements within this business PUD. So on the west, I have a minimum width of 30 feet and width. This is a one canopy tree for 30 linear feet with 200 story trees for of 30 feet and width, consists of one canopy tree per 30 linear feet with 200 story trees for 20 linear feet and 60 shrubs for 100 linear feet. On US one, we've maintained the article 20 of the land development code, which calls it 10 foot buffer. On the north side, it has a 10 foot landscape buffer with one canopy tree per 30 linear feet with one understory tree per 30 linear feet with one understory tree per 15 linear feet and 50 shrubs per 100 linear feet. And then on the side corner on Oak Branch Drive the minimum landscape buffer shall be 10 feet and with and consist of one canopy tree per 30 linear feet, excuse me, and one understory tree per 15 linear feet and 50 shrubs per 100 linear feet. If you recall with the current land development code and highway commercial they would be required it's a pretty clear site so they would be required one tree for 1500 square feet of area so that the new code and then within this that is adopted or proposed is a more intense landscape buffer a lot denser. In some cases it is a little less and with than would be required by straight zoning but staff feel that the denser buffer is a better end product for both the city and to facilitate this development. Staff will be happy to answer any questions or concerns. Thank you. I will open the public hearing and is the applicant the only? You can go ahead and just give us your name and address. My pleasure. For the record, my name is Steve Cerkle. I'm a Tri-Stake Consultant Engineer. My address is 11358 in the North Government way in H 890. I'm here on behalf of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else? That was easy. Okay. I'll close the public hearing and ask for them. Make a motion to send a farewell recommendation to the Council for RZ2408. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Mr. Chairman Kennedy. Mr. Undercovix. Mr. Duane. Mr. Malfolteno. Mr. Havanaugh. Mr. Rainbird. Thank you. Okay. Next item on the agenda is RZ2401. Request for change to the zoning map for 42 plus acres located at 3145 3149 and 3199 West Indian River Boulevard from county a three Transitional agriculture to city B. P. U. D. business plan unit development staff report, please Thank you staff did send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject property. The request before you is for a rezoning from county A3 transitional agriculture to city business plan unit development. The current site is undeveloped. It has a future land use designation of mixed use with conservation overlay. It is within the city of edgewater. It's one of these projects that was annexed and comp plan would never re-zoned. The applicant is proposing the business plan unit development to develop an assisted independent living facility, single-story villas, a memory care facility, emergency room, professional medical offices, the proposed development addresses the needs for not only elderly care within the city, also need for emergency room and medical offices on the western side of the city. This is the proposed rezoning, and this is the conceptual plan as required with any planned unit development agreement. The business planned unit development agreement for Edgewater villages is split up into three phases with various development requirements. Phase one is the independent living, which has the independent living apartments in the front as well as the rental kind of villas in the rear. In phase two, we have the memory care and assisted living facility. And in phase three, we have the emergency room, the rehabilitation facility, and several medical office buildings. Staff is recommending approval for the business plan unit development agreement and staff will be happy to go over any of the criteria within that business plan unit development agreement as requested. The applicant is in the audience. If you have any questions. Okay, thank you. I'll open the public hearing. I'll invite the applicant to come up if you don't just just to be available. So anybody else? Questions, comments? All right, ma'am. I am Gina Holt. I live at 1798 highway lane. That is less than a half a mile from this proposed development. My property backs up to Old Mission Road and I don't really want ambulances and ambulance and sirens up and down old mission road 24-7. I think phase three of this development is misplaced as impossible to do without altering the natural flow of the water. There's a sheet flow that runs from Turnbull Bay all the way through this property, including that property where I live all the way down through 442 ends up in Indian River Lagoon. The water has to flow if it doesn't flow, it stands. Any sort of displacement of that water fills that bathtub up a little bit more and we live in that bathtub. In those pictures when you see water in that ditch at the northeast corner of Stabroad 442 and all-motion road it's because the south side is full. That road basically is a dam and it blocks the natural flow of that water so it backs it up into our neighborhood, the north side. The only public conveyance of water for the outfall from these projects is into a mosquito-controlled ditch that doesn't flow anywhere or down underneath culvert to the south, which doesn't go anywhere if that's full. And there can be 10 to 12 feet of water standing on the other side of that road. Now this parcel contains this parcel for the project, the third phase contains 16 acres of wetlands that will have to be completely mitigated. But they'll be gone. Their ability to hold the water from the sky and hold the water that moves across that property will be completely gone. As I said, it's a bathtub that fills up. It can take weeks for it to go away. We could have two inches of rain and because we are in the bottom part of that bathtub, I can watch the level of my pond come up as much as three feet in a matter of days from a rain. So the water that falls from the sky is not the issue. It's the water that collects in this bathtub and needs some place to go. So I'm not looking for any more islands or dams in the middle of this stream. Stay road 44, 442 is enough of a dam. I have all the technical reports from FDOT and St. John's River Water Management District that shows that they actually engineered this road to hold the water to the north. So we're basically, apart of my French screwed no matter what we do. I really do oppose phase three of this development. I understand it's a beautiful development. We do not need an emergency room in this area. And I'd be pleased to ask you strongly to not approve phase three. Thank you. Here. Hello. Please ask you strongly to not approve phase three. I live in 542 coral trace full of art and I really just have a question about the whole thing because This really just came to light to me when I see the sign My concern with us is our gates. I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't get your name. Oh, Carrie Jones. Thank you. Yeah. It's our gates right at the entrance to Coral Traces, already kind of clustered sometimes with, you know, people having clickers or not having clickers or having to turn around and looks, and I may be reading it wrong, but it looks like it's going to open all these apartments right out at our gate. And I didn't know if there was an alternative road. And then the other question I had was like, what's the blockage between them apartments and our houses, like right in between? So like the landscape buffer? Yeah, like the buffer for noise, a buffer for people, the buffer for, you know, all the buildings and that kind of stuff. In between the coral trace property line and the houses and the new proposed building. It's a 30 foot buffer on the backside in between their property and your property Yeah, I didn't know if there was plan on putting like trees or plan putting something kind of natural thing that you know Would I can I can go in so the independent living apartment. So this is a 55 plus area So from coral trace, your subdivision, there's a 250 foot building setback. There's also on that rear, on the rear property line, there's a 30 foot landscape buffer that consists of one canopy tree per 50 linear feet, with two understory trees for 20 linear feet, and 60 shrubs for 20 linear feet and 60 shrubs for a 100 linear feet. So it's fairly substantial building step back as well as landscape buffer provided on that more side. Did you have any information about the drive coming out like right at the gate or am I reading that wrong? I could be reading. I'm not. So they proposed an access point here, but it also permits an access point on state road 443, as well as if approved, and if developed all through base one, two, and three, access point at old mission as well. Yeah, so basically it's ours in one out front. That's why. Because there's already 220 and coral trays. Okay, that was my question. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, my name is Tom Premrick. I live at Coral Trace. I'm up in there too. We have a concerns by the gate coming in there. And possibly what about flooding issues in the back where that's going to be the buffer zone? Anything there? Because we get some water there once in a while. The other thing would be to have another exit as you come in 442 just to the right as you come in rather to go all the way up to the gate and then go in that way because I mean you got 222 homes in Coral Trace right now with I don't know probably 6800 people living in there and then you're going to have all these villas in there everybody trying to get in either straight or to the right. So I would probably presume that we would have another exit on the lower right-hand corner there as you come in for coral trace. Is that possible? So as far as the entrances and exits, so as far as the curb cut on 442, depends on stacking distance as well as decelerization. So more one could be permitted but that's up to the state. And then to the entrance coming off so that they're likely to have a decelerization lane making that right-hand turn into coral trace boulevard. DOT will have a say and how far that entrance will minimum be required from state red 442. Okay. So I know the intent here is to get it away. This is again conceptual. The state will have more of a comment that will really determine how far that entrance really will need to go. Well that entrance coming off where the pink plot is there. People about right now, you can't make a left hand churn, so you have to make a right go up towards 95, make a U-turn and go back down south, east, east. So, will it be a light there or something down the road? And it'll city hall and all that is going in across the street. Right, yeah. So in the future there will be substantial development in the area and anticipate there will likely be a way within this immediate system. What how long a project are we looking at? Three years, five years? This whole phase. Yes. I was in this whole thing. Could be anywhere. Five to seven years. Five to seven. Okay. First phase would be one to three. Yeah. Somewhere there. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I'm a name's Patrick Fisher. I live at 2100s out there. Park Road. I'm right at Oak Trail and all of that Oak Trail ends up right there at the end of Mission Road. I'm opposed to any request to rezone any agricultural lands along State Road 442 to commercial business whatever it is. In June of this year the Volusia County Council approved Volusia forever purchase of 2,508 acres just south of 442 behind the last person that wanted to change some zoning on the south side of 442. They spent 4,758,000 dollars for property. So it's actually how important that whole area is and how that water flows and how it affects all the residents and everybody that even lives near it. I believe that rezoning land around along State Road 44 directly opposes the preservation of this corridor by the corridor by the County of Lucien and St. John's Water Management District. There's already significant development plan west of I-95 during park. There's plenty of opportunities thousands of homes businesses retail and just don't think we need to put this there that affects residents so you know so please just don't approve the zoning request thank you I'm leaving my name is Daniel McGuire and can you speak it into the microphone please? Yes, I hope. Daniel McGuire and I live at 528 call trees in that community there. I actually got to like a pointer or anything like that to you. Like a piece of paper that I could point on the map to other people. Or do I even pointer? that I could point on the map to other people. I don't even point to, you know, the leader of one. We don't have a point to it. Anyway, my question really is, we have kind of like, small community might say 250 houses, and with this kind of entroning us, and our H-O-A, H-O-A. and the board, you know, we're barely even beginning to hear anything about it, you know. It's all very, very new to us and a lot of people involved. We don't have a committee or who should represent the community, should it be the H.O.A. board, or should the residents form some sort of committee on their own, things like that. How does the H.A. said anything? My question is, what would the next step be from here? This is a zoning thing. I'm not familiar with myself with it, but the next step is to get into the actual nitty gritty of the plan and the mapping of what's going to go where and all kinds of things about height and zoning. So if I can answer, so tonight is the Planning and Zoning Board. So tonight, Planning and Zoning Board is a recommendation, they make a recommendation to council. This is no final decision. This is an ordinance, so it will have two readings at City Council, which will be heard September and October. Council meetings. So there's a number I'll talk about. And then if it is approved at that point, then it would go into the site plan, which is where the standards that are established within this document that is being discussed tonight, that the development has to adhere to those standards. And if they're not, then they can't get approval for site plan approval. Typically what staff does on the prior site plan is that staff reviews it. That one lasted about eight months. Staff reviews it for that period. And then once they meet all the criteria, we bring it to the Planning and Zoning Board for that recommendation again. And then Council hears it again at that point. It is more of an administerial decision. As far as the H.O.A., the H.O.A. did meet with the developer on this proposed project. Okay, it sounds as residents we will have a say in the matter of this, and it is just very much an infancy, So thank you for explaining that. And as we proceed then, we'll get into the final fine points and questions. Autocuriosity, a large or double set high rise larger buildings apartment, what is the planned storage number level? So on the conceptual plan, there are four stories. The maximum building height for the independent living apartments are 70 feet for the villas. They are 28 feet. The assisted living facility is at 50 feet. Although in the conceptual plan, it shows one story, memory care, and three story assisted living. The medical office buildings in the conceptual plan are shown as two story. However, the maximum building height is 60 feet. 60 feet, winning the double inch in the face. Number of floors. And so essentially, 60 foot would be mostly a maximum about four stories. Four stories, that's a maximum height. Yeah, that's a plain plain English. Okay thank you for your time. Appreciate you. Keith Hawks, Detleur 720, Quirl Trace Boulevard. This was to start by saying I probably speak collectively for a lot of the folks in our neighborhood that I've spoken to including our board that we don't disagree that this type of property is needed within the city of Edgewater and even within Southeast Follucius for the entire county. We question the exact needed placement of it. Someone just before me spoke about all the available land that is west of 95. We were a bit scared at first that this may be completely commercial. It might be a strip mall. It could be a gas station. We were a bit scared at first that this may be completely commercial. It might be a strip mall, it could be a gas station, it could be multiple restaurants. Right? And we are relieved that if development has to occur that it is something like this, and even better that it's 55 and older and that it isn't necessarily build to rent units. But our main concern is the traffic. We understand that we do not own coral trace boulevard between 442 and the gates. The first person that spoke was concerned about the entrance or the exit there near our gates. It is believed that that entrance should be eliminated entirely. Okay, and if it can't be eliminated entirely, that it either needs to be moved or it needs to be specified that it is insurance only and not exit. Allowing cars to exit from there is going to cause an unneeded and unnecessary intersection at our gates that are already backed up because not all people coming into the community have clickers, they have to wait and put in codes at the call box. So there's a lot of concerns there. In addition, that road, although it is not owned by us, is used by the coral trace residents. Coral trace has 222 homes and are latest statistics of the number of cars that go in and out of that community every single day as approximately 700 vehicles. We don't have, there's not room for additional cars to be going in and out of that, out of that road. Okay. The other big concern is where's the construction entrance? Nowhere in that BPUD does it mention anything about the construction entrance? Our residents cannot contend with that construction traffic for five to seven years. One to three for phase one. Where's the construction entrance? Nowhere is it specified. They need their own entrance road. They need their own entrance road. They need their own construction entrance. Phase is two and three call for a natural undistorned north buffer, but there's no one behind phases two and three. Our neighbors that are directly in the 500 stretch on coral trace boulevard are the ones that back up to phase one but aren't being granted an undisturbed natural buffer. Edgewater seems to have a concern with not allowing linear plantings because we want to maintain and achieve this undisturbed natural landscape, but yet we're going to allow four story buildings that are taller than the trees. Folks, where I come from, I went to Florida Gulf Coast University the maximum height was three stories and why? Because they didn't want buildings taller than the trees. Okay so if we're going to be concerned about the environment let's be real about it. Further there's three minutes. I have so much for fun. I have so much for fun. You can have a library and a picture. I have so much for fun. I have so much for fun. I have so much for fun. You can have a library and a picture. I have so much for fun. You can have a library and a picture. I have so much for fun. You can have a library and a picture. I have so much for fun. a good development for the community. Edgewater is a small town and it's growing fast. The roads are bad. It's becoming something. I think that this project would set the tone to raise everybody's property values in the area. Also, this woman who is talking about her water issues, she has water issues because her land is low. I don't think this project is going to put one table spoons worth of water extra on her property. When it comes time to get the permit, they'll make sure that there's enough reservoirs or drainage or whatever they need there. That's part of the building permit process. The issue is what is this project going to do for the city? I think it's a break. You know, also for traffic, mission road is going to be expanded. We all know that you can't have it much longer these roads with one road each way. This is less traffic than a shopping center in the corner or something that might be a little heavier like retail. This is a beautiful project. It's going to enhance the neighborhood. It's going to increase the value of the property. And most of all, it's going to set the right tone for people that drive in and out of the city, not to see the same old, you know, whatever it is there. This is a nice project. And I think we're lucky if we get it. Thank you. Hello, my name is Kathleen McGuire, 528, Coral Trace Bull of Art. And I about the villas that are going, that proposed to be going into the development. My question is about the buffer zone. I know someone had mentioned it and they say they're going to follow the natural habitat of the land. But this is commercial property and usually with commercial property they have the they usually have like a cement wall, maybe a 10 foot high wall separating residential from from commercial and you have four foot buildings going in the front of you know the the front of the coral tree property. So I was just going to ask if, I don't know if this is the night that you bring it up, could a commercial wall be put up between app coral tree property and the proposed new development? Thank you. Is there any stipulation in the BPD for events between the two properties or a wall? No, not at this time. Can it be addressed? Yes. At a later meeting, is that? Thank you. Okay, thank you. You can't speak unless you're at the microphone and you already had your three minutes, I'm sorry. Anyway, my name is Kathy Diffamball and I live at 7, 10 choral trace boulevard. I'm sure that it would mean it is going to be addressed by the developer at that time. At what time? At the time that we get into the site plan in the building, etc. This is just I mean so like it planned pretend like we're taking a trip to the moon. We're in the I'm on the landing pad right now, and I'm getting ready to take off. That's the phase we're at right now. So we have a long way before we get to the moon. This is the very first step in that process. So a lot of these things haven't been hashed out like the entrance on coral trace drive. That looks to me, honestly, like a nightmare. Like I've been downcroll, Trace Drive. I know exactly that. It already is. I get that. So those types of things, we have plenty of time to work through those logistical details to make sure that everybody is happy and that it works for your community as well as for the new development. I mean, we don't want 25 car backup downcroll, Trace Boulevard because you got people trying to get into the new development and somebody, you know, forgot their clicker on the kitchen table when they left and they're trying to get in with the buttons. I've been, I've been down there so I know what it's like so nobody wants that. Well, we also have people come in to do things for people that live there, you know. So they have to do the call box and that gets backed up. Yep. So there are parking standards throughout the PUD. So for, for example, assisted living, the medical office, the urgent care emergency room, we follow strict highway commercial standards, which is one space for 250 square feet. Most people in the city find that pretty impressive. That is what the land development code is and that's what I'm enforcing here. Most of the people in Guava and High Biscuits do not like me because I require that type of parking requirement. So that is built into this one for you. One parking space for 250 square feet. Okay, thank you. Any other comments and questions? Tom Holt 1798, Hyde Way Lane. First of all, I would like to address what the gentleman that came up and said that this property would not increase our water by any means. He doesn't live there. He has no idea what the water is really like in this area. When it rains, the water continues to flow from the north to the south and it does it stop for days. And this proposed property phase three built on that corner is 20 acres, 16 acres of it is classified wasteland. And they are wanting to make this project and for them to do that they would have to fill that property into whatever the requirement is of the city to bring it to the level. And what that would do is that piece of property would no longer be able to be a part of the flow of the water that goes to that intersection underneath. section underneath Old Mission Road, which then eventually goes either north on Old Mission Road in the canal or the ditch or underneath 442. So now this piece of property no longer will be holding any of that water while it eventually makes its way underneath the road. In addition, it's going to be a huge dam. So all the water that's moving from the north to the south of that area, where's it going to go? It's going to have to sit on somebody's property and it's probably going to be the adjacent properties to the north of it. This is going to be a problem for everybody in this area and what will happen is when that water goes eventually underneath the road and into that ditch, all the water, that ditch can't hold the water, okay? Right now that ditch gets to capacity all the time. And what happens is it overflows onto all the properties along the east side of Old Mission Road, which is the west side of all the properties on Hydeway Lane. And those properties essentially are retention for the storm water until that ditch finally drops its level enough to where the water then finally comes back off of our properties into that ditch. And I truly believe that this type of a project is going to add to that problem. Without having the proper studies, traffic and water, we have no idea what's going to happen. This is putting the cart before the horse. If there isn't a proper study, we're just going to hope that the developers made the right plan. And engineering has made the right plan. But we have examples all over this state and county that have proven that this theory does not work. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Very different ball, seven tan coral trace. I'm going to ask you to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to ask the staff to just a suggestion. Thank you. It's taking a consideration. Thank you. 10th-day-meters, 1721, Hyde Way Lane. Again, edge water doesn't have any drain storage water in place. They're getting ready to build if you allow this to happen and take away the agricultural zoning and they build this it's all concrete. So there's no place for that water to drain into. From the concrete, from the buildings to the parking lots, there's no place for that to go. Yes, you've all seen me and heard me before telling you about our property. I've lived there for 34 years and these developments have affected us. I don't know how to prove to you, other than you coming out and looking, I can show you pictures from when I moved out there to where it is now, how we get hit with all the drainage waters as they build and start adding coral trace affected us. So once they build that, we don't know how high it's going to go. But I don't know if coral trace realizes or if Magnolia Village realizes how where that water flow is going to go. So they may not have been affected by Ian as bad as we were. But the next storm and like the water, we always get the flow. We're still getting the water this week. I was driving back in my back property. I have 10 acres. And it's still getting wet from this rain that we've had this week. So it's still the flow is coming. It is real. I would love for you to come out there and look and see it. And so you understand we're not just talking you are hideaway lane. And you had mentioned earlier about on US one about the 100 year flood plan. Do you have a picture of the 100 year flood plan in this area? Not on the. flood plan in this area. From the county they've showed me the 100 year flood plan runs across all of this so I didn't know if that's been taken into effect. So with the new storm water standards that the county or that the city adopted excuse me we now make developers retain the 100 year flood which is 13.1 inches of rainfall over a 24 hour event. So That's higher than any other standard. But where's that water going to? That's what we talked about this once before because if they're saying they're putting in drainage pipes but where's those drainage pipes going to? Because our current system for the roads and the creeks that we have is not set up to take that kind of water and when you're going to take away all of that and where the water already goes there, digging a pond isn't the solution for our water issues. Can I respond now? I apologize. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Thank you. So as I was saying, a hundred years storm event, the pre-development has to be less than post. So the amount of water flowing has to be less. So I understand your concerns. You don't believe in the validity of the stormwater retention ponds and their usefulness for the site. That's fine. That is will be engineered for those purposes. public conveyance here spoke to the city engineer Is into those skiddo ditches and or into that eastern covert That's on the east side of old mission that runs under state road 442 as they explained to miss hold earlier today the only way to really Fix the fact that your elevation I was looking at, your elevation in mist holds, you're all at elevation 4 where that culvert goes across state road 442 into the wetlands on the south side is also at elevation 4. So in order for unless that water is flowing but it is a swamp. So when you guys chose to build there, you dug all those ponds to use the fill. The elevation is clear that your sites are all raised. And so you guys essentially built in a floodplain. You use those ponds to find, use that to raise your houses. Now this culvert here that the state did is backing up water into there to get this fixed here will take something like this development to help sort out that water flow while the city is undergoing its master storm water plan that has been budgeted ag city council. And I realize my time is up but if that fails what recourse do we have? I would ask an attorney. The city can't help us on that then. Well you guys are county residents. This is the city. This is the city road so the city does not have say over at U.P. I can't tell if you're- But I'm talking about you're allowing for the, if you allow for the building. Not the development, correct. So if their water fails and it flows into us, what recourse do we have? And I, as I said, I would speak to the current. But it's a city that would be given the approval. Yes, to this development. OK, Thank you. Any other questions? My name is Tammy Copeland. I live at 1790 Hydeway Lane in Edgewater. And like my neighbors, I am concerned about the drainage. I spoke at another meeting a few months ago, and I said that my property backs up onto Mission Road. And I said that when I first moved there 30 years ago, I could walk all the way through on dry ground. It's hardly ever dry anymore because of the development. And there's nowhere for the water to go. The water standing on this property now is more than just what the rain water is going to cause. There's a lot of water standing there because that's where the water flows. So I don't know how we can possibly change the zoning from conservation overlay to BPUD. It doesn't make sense to me. Correction, it's agricultural. I heard conservation overlay. That's the future land use is mixed use with conservation. Okay. All right. I still would urge you not to approve this. Any other questions? Any other questions? All right. I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a motion. Do you have any comments? Yeah, I'm a little concerned about that word agriculture. I'm even going to approve it to be business now. I live here like these people and every time it rains I get a little nervous. I think these people, last meeting, showed pictures that they went out and measured how 442 was built, like 7 feet higher. So they live in Louisiana. Some of us on the south side don't, but I still worry. And like, for a four story building, how deep does that concrete have to go? How deep does that footer go to be? How much displacement of dirt happens when they build a place this big? It is a little bit worrying too. Not a planting and zoning person, as an edge order resident. This is a lot. And I believe we also heard in the last meeting that St. John's Water Commission admitted that our drainage is laid out long, and it was mentioned by somebody about edge order can partner up with them to fix it. Well, the more of these we build, the harder it is to fix under the ground. I live behind Walgreens and I'm worried about that little area flooding. I was out there last stormed a squeegee by my pool as this drainage ditch that the city said was adequate to drain my house. It obviously is not. Mistakes are being made and on behalf of these people, yeah, they built in a questionable place, but it seems like we're just going to hop on it and then fix it later. And I'm trying to have compassion for the people here. And the fact that we're taking agriculture here and moving at the business is a little bit uncomfortable for me. I don't know how I could look at the people here. And for this man's right, I mean, we're taking agriculture and making, we're just going to build on it. I mean, so really, to give you backstory, to get coral trace built was on the premise that this coral trace was a mixed use development, is why mixed uses there. built at council at that time made that they were requirement to have this single family home subdivision they needed to have the assurance that some sort of commercial was going to be built and that's why that future land use is there. But is it a three agricultural commercial? Right. We're talking about two separate things here. I'm talking about the future land use when coral trace and this were planned together Coral Trace was a single family component. This Peace was left. It was Complanned it was left as agriculture, which was a retained county zoning Director was then this quite often the annexed we confounded, but didn't rezone it because there wasn't actually a project for it. There wasn't, no one was entirely thinking about it. They just left it, but came to Cali, zone. I would just rather see this go on the other side in 95 also. I mean, I know it might seem more expensive land. Hey, so, so. But essentially this area could be made into like a natural park. It could be made into a wow-wow. Yeah. It could be made into a super-maw. If we change it, it could be. No, it could be. If we change it, it could be. No, it could be. Yes, it could. If we change it to transitional agriculture to business plan, be developed, right? If we, okay, it did be changed. Making me turn to all those things. But as of now, where it's at right now is a traditional agriculture, I can put a wall by there. That's my question. Okay, so now. So as it's current zoning within the city of Edward, it would be on a straight zoning, we would enforce the county's code, which is agriculture for this site you could put in like a natural park you could put in a community garden you could put in right now As it is right now Anything and filter Right so you could put in I'm just telling you You know any of the agriculture use I don't have any list of any of these Yeah I'm just potentially those things I would like to see those I have things going there But Yeah I just think until we finish the drainage issue that we already have, that we really can't be improving stuff like this. I'm with you on that. I think it's, I'm saying one. I think it's just, it would maybe create even more problems and it's going to be a bigger mess to fix. It's already a mess. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Here's the issue. The developer that owns this property doesn't want to build a park. That's not going to make him any money. That's just my thought. So, we're going to have a serious fight on our hands. Joe Burns, satellite beach, Florida. First of all, I'd like to thank the board for taking the time and the service to give them back to the community. But we're looking at putting here is a wellness community. And the word community is important because we had a meeting with your HOA this week. We plan on coming to meeting with you people. You're our prospects to live here. This is built for you. You're going to get old and you're going to need places to stay like I'm going to need places. Yeah, you get. It's not true. It's not true. What you're saying we all get all the we all need assistance. This is going to be a place where we could help age in place at the home that you live in now. Are you ready that you need assistance to move into a new home? I'm addressing you the major complaints and we want to meet with you people like we met with your board. Which I'll see any of the members here to know. No, no. You can use the address to board. Yeah, excuse me. So I'm here to speak up for the project, pro development, I've done projects like this in the state before and we're filling up quickly and a lot of residents are happy. Let's address the traffic issue first because we don't have a school issue here. Address to traffic issue first, because we don't have a school issue here. Adjust the water issue first. Well, that's end of my engineers, I'm not an engineer, that's Kimmy Horn, but I know that no more water could lead the site than is leading the site now. They retain the water on the site. We do a grade that puts stormed attention there that's going to hold the water in. A lot of the reasons that the water is pulling up in here right now from our wetland scientists directly. It used to be citrus. What happened is they planted some clay in there. What's happening now that clay is not perforating, letting the water drain down. It's actually holding the water right now from the clay that was in there for the citrus that was grown back then. That's how you can answer once again. I'm not here to find the conditions to go forward. Brett, it's what. I'm not saying it's not. I'm not here. Can we let the app put the camera? I'm here to tell you that we're here to bring this community wellness center to your city, to be the gateways going into Edgewater, not on the other side of Westside, but we're trying to put seniors going into your city. We're trying to put something that's gonna have a community wellness center that other community people in all of Edgewater gonna be the use. So it's not just limited to the people that's in our HOA. And that's why we wanna get together with you, the community behind us, to find out their fears, because what it is, it's a fear. Now here fears that if you that us developers aren't properly discharging water from where we're from what we're developing, well that's not in fact. Fact is we have guidelines that we have to get approved by county, state, and city and those cost money to do that. They're not like Ryan said, they may just go up to a hundred year flood instead of a 50 year flood. I'm not saying I could fix all the water problems, all the issues I don't know. I'm not an engineer. I know that for the past 40 years that I've been developing we've left sites better than we have in the going towards the future. Because of the restrictions that are put on us today to make sure that water is held properly and discharge for it. Traffic is another thing that we talked about with the board there. They don't want to see it there because it said school bus staffing was one of the bigger problems. We want to sit down and we want to dress your fears that you have of us doing it. There would be a pro-radish air on maintaining whatever we need to maintain on entrance way. We would do this together. We would do this together on the traffic. We don't have a lot of traffic. The village that we have there is usually one car per household, independent living, the majority of them don't drop. We have community service buses that come in and help take the traffic. Our employees and construction entrance would come up before 4.2. Now, we can't be giant babysitter, we're going to have construction entrance only. Are other people going to slip down? Yes, that's just reality. Human beings trying to be a lazier, go the least resistance of traffic. We're here to tell you that we could do this professionally. We could create a lot of jobs for the city and for the county. We could address the problem of aging in place that don't have enough facilities here to house our mothers and fathers and us seniors over 55. We're here. We've done our market studies. We're in our mothers and fathers and us seniors over 55. We're here. We've done our market studies. We're in our engineering and wetland process right now. The need is here. The community that I'm talking to right now are very positive of having a 55 and older community here as well as the wellness part that goes along with it. There's a lot of medical that goes into this as well as wellness which creates quality jobs for the community. Deletes the traffic that it could be. I heard Wawa mention that's one of the prospects that could go there. We don't feel that this is a gas station in this corner. We feel that this is a senior corner with medical services to provide, or seniors are gonna be living. So I'll take any questions from you right now. Please. I mean, I was waiting for your presentation at the beginning. You kind of waited till there was three of us asking questions. And now you're like, oh, I hear my presentation. Oh, where was this earlier? This is the first time through the process of me in your experience to give your pitch. And now you're giving your pitch after people are kind of giving pushback. I don't know how come you didn't try to ease everybody's mind in the beginning. Well, I stood up and then I heard that. Well, I'm just saying, I mean, once this gets re-zoned, then that phase is done. So now it's time to sit with everybody and see what their concerns are, but now the concern was switching it from one zoning to the next. I would say to be in fair verbatim on the record, Mr. Kennedy asked him if we have any questions. I just want to ask you a question. You're right, you're right, you're right, and I apologize. I stood up and I was kind of come up here and tell you, but I want to hear the fears from the people because there are potential customers. Yes. You talked about fear and reality. Yeah. I had a major builder in this state, put a place right behind me. Yes. Everything's fine, everything's fine. I had to squeeze my pool. Never had to do that before. I've been there seven years. They put his drainage ditch. Oh, it's gonna solve everything. They built that land up above me. This is them, this is me, and here's this ditch. And what happens is now, this lip fills over into my side, well they're like, hey, how you doing? I'm your new neighbor. I don't believe, I don't believe when they say, sorry, sorry sorry edge order but when I get told by an engineer oh we by law have to do this and do that you're gone I've been trying to compound I'm not gonna name the developer but trying to get a hold of them now they pulled trees down instead of cutting trees they pulled trees down knocked our neighbors fences up we've been trying for two and a half years just to get defenses they send guys out to look oh oh yeah, we're nothing, nothing. And I'm sorry that you had a problem. One bad apple. Like this. I mean, look at this. I mean, I'm just glad they sent me. People over on the other side of Florida, everything's fine. There's Cadillac Escalades that you can barely see the steering wheel sticking out of the water over there. This is just important to us, the water. I don't really care about the traffic. I remember when there were no places on US1 traffic was great. It's going to happen traffic. It's the water, every person here has talked about the water. And I'm at the point where I just don't believe these guys in their engineering degrees anymore. This is part of my life now. I got this place behind me. It's going to happen. I'm going to have at least a foot of water in my house. One of these storms. And I was told don't worry about it. Once again, this is a for these product. I'm a principal. The operators are principal. We're here to be part of this community. Like we said right off the bat. Are you going to get flooded too? No, I'm going to build a stormed attention to properly discharge the water off of the property that I'm purchasing. They're not building out and leaving. They're building, they're going to manage, they're going to continue to own the property and manage it. So they've got skin in this game is what he's trying to tell you. We've gotten this way off track. All we're trying to do is re-zoan this right now. We have months to be able to hash out these details. In my mind, all this is just a minor detail that needs to be worked through. The developer is here, he's willing to talk to us, he's already talked to the trace, he's willing to listen to the issues that you have. I'm saying, my opinion is we need to rezone this thing and then let's hear, let's get into the nitty gritty and let's talk about the nuts and the bolts and the details because that's really where that's really where everything has I also just put a point out again. It's it's also a recommendation There's still two readings before city council Miss Abner miss Abner go ahead hopefully has a quick answer What what would be the problem with moving it to the other side of night but you said that you know you want when people turn in to edgewater they want to have a contract on that property. Okay. It's not available. Starting all over that property that property that property that property might not be available for another two or three. And we also are not in the hundred year flood. That's on the other side of mission. Okay. It's it's it's it's what back to what George said it's that's really where we're at we're looking at one piece of this one beginning beginning piece of it there's many many steps that we can address the concerns after this is re-zoned truthfully. I think it's an incredible piece for the city of Edgwater to be growing. I think so too. I think we need something like that. But you set up dominoes and you knock over the first one and what happens? They all get owned. It's certainly granted. And I think it's a feather in Edgwater's calf to have the availability to draw this kind of a project. I agree. I know I understand that. I understand that. But it's we can keep the surgeon. That's where we are. Once again, we'd like to approve of this. We'd like to meet before next meeting with the Home Art Association at their clubhouse. We were invited to come there. We'd like to do that before the next meeting to help calm some of the fears down. We might not calm them all down. I can't say we have all the answers. We know what we do, we do it right. So thank you, Borta, wish approval of Eduardo Village. Thank you. Thank you. All right, I'm going to close the public hearing and ask for a motion. I make a motion to send a favour recommendation to City Council for RZ-2401. Go second. Then the motion dies. Remarkable second. Then is your motion to send an unfavorable recommendation? I make a motion to send an unfavorable recommendation to City Council for RZ2401. I'll second it. Okay, so it's Aaron. Aaron, it's Lane. Yes, both is, no, I disagree with him. Correct, yeah. Yes, both is no. I disagree with him. Correct. Yeah, promotion now. And in its descendant, unfavorable recommendation. So a no vote. And no vote means I don't agree with that. OK, before we proceed, let me make sure I have clarification. Bob was the first mover. And is that for recommendation for denial? No, no, no. I made a motion to send a favour recommendation to City Council for ARZ-2401. And that's odd. And that there was no second. Okay, okay. There was no second. And now the motion is to it's untapeable. And who was the first on that? Albert. Albert. Rainburg was the second. Rainburg? It's okay. I'll win your name on the record. We'll arm wrestle later. Okay. Chairman Kennedy. No. Mr. Andrew Covix. No. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Malfatano. Yes. Mrs. Havana. Yes. And Mr. Rainburn. Yes. Okay. Next item on the agenda is the development services director. I don't have anything tonight. Thank you, sir. Meeting is adjourned.