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I'm going to go to the next slide. I would like to call to order the April 8, 2025, Loudon County Board of Supervisors, Finance, Government, Operations and Economic Development Committee meeting. This room has a hearing loop. If you need hearing assistance, switch your hearing aids to telecoil mode. If you need a headset, we have those available as well. Please ask the clerk to request one. Questions and comments are not timed. However, once a motion is on the table, committee members will have three minutes to ask questions and make comments for all items. We will first adopt a very long consent agenda, so bear with us. The proposed consent agenda is as follows. Item two, quarterly report upcoming contracts fourth quarter quarter FY 2025. Item four, contract renewal supply and installation, carpeting and floor covering. Item six, contract award road construction support services. Item seven, contract award construction support services for the Western Loud and Recreation Complex. Item number eight, contract award for the FY 2025 Capital Improvement Program Amendments Construction of the Fire and Rescue Station, number 28, Leaseburg, South Station, item number nine. Award Authority increase, ambulances, emergency services, and other special services. Item 10, award authority increase in Capital Improvement Program Amendment, Technology, Products, Services, and solutions. Item number 11, Award Authority increase personal computer workstations, servers, and services. Item number 12, Award Authority increase architectural and engineering services for the courts complex phase four. Item 13, disability, sorry, the 2024 Disability Services Board Annual Report. Item number 14, resolution authorizing the issuance of appropriation backed bonds through the Economic Development Authority of Loudoun County, Virginia. Item number 15, resolution authorizing the issuance and sale of general obligation public improvement and refunding bonds. 2016, fiscal year 2024, Loudoun County Community Services Board, annual report. Item number 17, Western Law and Recreation Complex, Scope Modifications. And lastly, item 18, construction contract, excuse me, for Shell Horn Road West. Is there a motion to adopt the consent agenda? A second. Thank you. Motion made by Supervisor Luterno, seconded by Supervisor Homestad. Any comments? Chair Randall. Thank you. I'm sorry. Did you have an opening? No. No. Okay. Let's go ahead, Chair Randall. Thank you, Madam Chair. So I just want to encourage everyone, especially all of my colleagues, to go read the CSB and your report. These things come up often in all of our committees to a really good job and so we sometimes don't take a heart, look at them. It's important to do that because what we're seeing already right now is the number of people who are in need of all kinds of services but especially behavior health services in our county has risen and it's likely to keep rising with the, we're dealing with in the entire MWCog metro area right now. And so if you haven't done that, please do that. Because if anyone wonders why we need to keep sharing up our nonprofits and make sure that we keep our behavior health departments well staffed. And we'll come and say that you will understand it when you read the CSB report. And I do hope that some of our members of our CSB can actually go to the annual conference this year. I'm not sure if they sent anyone, but I hope that they can send somebody to the CSB conference. So thank you, Madam Chair. Of course. I, Mr. Hemstreet, I know I didn't tell you I was going to ask you this, but would you mind really quickly defining or explaining the difference between appropriation back bonds and go bonds? Sure, so a general oblong, with geo bonds or general obligation bonds means that we put those out for referendum and the voters approve the issuance of that intent in this. Approach appropriation backed debt, the Board of Supervisors is essentially making a pledge that you will make the appropriation to pay the debt service. So when you look at the ratings, a geo obligation or general obligation bond rating will typically, for us, carries a triple A rating. The appropriations back dead because it's the board and not by referendum. Typically carries one grade below which would be a double A plus. Okay. The reason I'm asking and I might also ask you this question. If you look at this consent agenda, I just I think that we should acknowledge the amount of money that we're talking about so that we can get projects completed in the county. But there were some projects completed in the county. And but there was some commentary recently about the county being in debt. But Mr. Hemstreet, would you agree that it's more fiscally responsible to issue bonds rather than using taxpayer cash dollars to do these projects? would, and would also say that the board under your fiscal policy can, our total debt service has to be 10% or less of our expenditures. That's right. So if you look at that with a regular person, a bank loan for you to go out and get a bank loan for a house or something, you can spend up to 30% of your income. So the county, if you look at it that way, is well below that in terms of the total amount of debt service. Okay, great, thank you. So we're issuing $124 million for appropriation back bonds and about $381 million in general obligation bonds that have been improved by our voting public. The Western Loud and Recreation Complex scope modifications are being done because we have decided as a board as a policy in the county that we are going to start putting our teen centers inside our recreation centers. And so that's why that came up in front of us tonight. Okay, I think that's everything I wanted to comment on. So motion made by Supervisor Alterno, seconded by Supervisor Amstead, all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? That motion will carry five zero. And then I think we are on to our information items. So we'll have the monthly department of economic development report with Mr. Buddy Reiser. Hello. Are you wearing a pink tie for Cherry Blossoms? I wear a lot of pink. I'm not sure. I'm sure why that is, but I do. Good evening, everyone. Matt Holbrooke from the EDAC is with us tonight, and he'll have a report in just a moment. As of today, we're at 120 wins, seven and three quarter billion dollars in investment and 4,200 jobs. Another really solid year for Loudoun County. Small business week is coming soon. The third annual Small Business Summit is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6th, that 8 AM at the at Hanson at Hanson Park. Rohe Bargava, a three time Wall Street Journal in the US today bestselling author, is going to speak on innovation. And Louie Jervais, former Disney Institute professor, is going to talk about customer service. If you're interested in going, please sign up now, biz.loudand.gov, small business summit. We're just about sold out already for that. The Loudenspring Farm Tour is coming up May 17, 13, 35 Loudens farms. Welcome to visitors that weekend. You have the Farm Tour map in front of you tonight. And we encourage as many people to come out as possible. Also, you have in front of you the ninth annual edition of the Farmer Trading Cards, the award-winning program. We do these cards in partnership with the Loudon County Schools, always a treat for the kids and for the farmers as well. And finally at your place, we have the Loudon Resilience Initiative report for this month. We are closely monitoring all aspects of the economy and are going to report out to you monthly. While we're not seeing any real impact in the numbers at this point, we're starting to see some warning signs. Several big projects have been put on pause. International businesses are extending the timeline for their investment, and we're seeing increased activity in the job market. Both the work in Loudon and launch Loudon programs are seeing increased participation. For example, our small business program has seen two and three times as many registrants over the last month than we would normally see for these things, such as our procurement class, our lunch and learns and things like that. A strong economy depends on building certainty and building trust. And businesses that are looking at their long-term plans and they're a little bit scared today. So they are trying to understand what tax structure and what they're trying to deal with. You know, when you see uncertainty in the market, you start to see uncertainty in business decisions. Consumer confidence is really going down, and business uncertainty is at the highest level recorded right now. Nationally, 228,000 jobs were added in March, much was better than anticipated, but the unemployment rate increased from 4.1 to 4.2. The unemployment rate rose mostly because more people started looking for work. The labor force grew by 232,000 people. The March payrolls numbers showed that federal government employment declined by 11,000 in February and 4,000 in March. But state and local governments added 23,000 jobs in March more than offsetting those federal declines. The most recent month for local unemployment data, the rate was 2.7 for Loudon and 3.04 Virginia. Newly posted jobs in Loudon County in March 4,150. Active jobs 11,984 both are up from where they were a month before. And finally, the most recent consumer price index report, prices in February were up 2.8 percent compared to a year earlier. That's comparable to 3.0 in January and 2.9 in December. The next CPI report will be released on Thursday. And with that, I'll turn it over to Matt. Good evening again. My name is Matt Holbrook. I'm the Vice Chair of EDAC. Great to see you all this evening. Unfortunately, the chair, Tim Shinbarra, couldn't join us tonight yet to be away on work assignment, but he sends his regards and his regrets for not adjoining this evening. EDAC continues to implement our work group plan. We had a brainstorming session in January where we were trying to come up with some initiatives that we could take on this year to improve the experience for you deck members, but also advance things with Loudoun County. And so one of those things is on May 25th we're going to be hosting a panel discussion about Metro anchor development. So obviously this is an update for everyone. You guys are all welcome to attend. We also are working to improve innovation in the county so I know you've heard about but we continue to work on that. Whether it's access to capital or other resources that can help small businesses and innovation in this county to grow. And then we're continuing to build out our clustered partnerships. So, these are partnerships between EDAC members and DED staff, where we work together and we collaborate and we support each other so that we can help ultimately advance the ball of economic development for the county. that continues to move forward as well. At our March EDAC meeting, we had the pleasure of Mr. Hemstreet joining us and presenting the budget to us, an abbreviated form for what you all enjoyed. But Mr. Hemstreet does a fantastic job of distilling what is complex, what is really, really big into something that's really tailored for his audience. And so it was a great discussion, it was very, very well received. Obviously there are a lot of questions that come out of that. A lot of the questions centered around how does the county support economic diversity as far as diversifying the economic and really the real estate tax base of things. And that's the end of my presentation. Thank you. Do my colleagues have any questions? Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. So first of all, Mr. Holberg, I love that discussion of Metro Anchor Development. That's, first of all, I even love the title. Is it possible I'm going to make a request that for part of that discussion, there can also be some talk about how long it's taken, taking other places that have metro, whether they be in the DC metro area, actually most especially, to try to get some of their transit-oriented development around their metro station. I ask that because I have heard from more than one source, like it's too late. You haven't got things there yet. We should put such and such there. And I keep saying it's like three years. So literally, since we've cut the ribbon on Metro, and it takes years and years to get those types of developments that have fully grown up around metros. And so I would love to know, I think we would all love to know what kind of anchors things to have around a metro, is it a convention center, is it retail, is it transit or indevelopment, is it a mixed use development, what that might look like, and also how long that has taken other places. And if you don't mind, I think I would like to attend that. That sounds fascinating and really important. And I think that that could really help guide some of the discussions that we have around our metros going forward. So thank you so much for doing that. And please send my thanks to the chair and the rest of the deck as well. Mr. Reiser, when the jobs report was announced, it was literally the day before the tariffs were announced. And so there was a lot of celebrating the jobs report. And all of us want to do that. But I have a question. And that question is, do you think, or how think the both the the EOs and the tariffs could impact the jobs going forward and then finally, Mamcher, I'd like to ask a question of Mr. Hempstreet through you if that's fine. Yes. Mr. Hempstreet. The jobs postings that Mr. Riser just mentioned. Are those postings of what we just approved in our budget and they are they come available to be hired on July 1st. They won't be posted into after July 1st. I'm going to defer to the body. Are those FI26 or FI25 positions? Yeah, they're both, I mean, I believe that some of the positions that are in the budget can start recruiting earlier, but I was talking about the current jobs that are in the marketplace. Oh, okay, so then there's more of what to put. Okay, thank you. And I'm sorry, did you want me to answer the entire question, yeah. We have done a lot of research and a lot of trying to figure out exactly. If you just look at our economy because we're more of a service economy, that a goods economy, and that we don't export a lot, your first instinct would be to say that we're not overly impacted. But our largest employers are, you know, they're all impacted by rising costs. You know, you think about the technology cluster, which is our largest cluster, tariffs will raise the cost of computer equipment for construction equipment. For example, the iPhone, if you buy an iPhone, the tariffs will cause the parts of that iPhone to increase by almost $400. That's just the cost of the phone. We also think that in the shortcoming, the 2025 tariffs, as they stand today, would increase consumer prices by about 2.3 and cost in the average American household about $3800. $200. That's number I saw, two saw, two, three hundred percent number I saw as well. And then lastly, if you don't mind Ms. Mom Chair, you know, I talked to a couple of people who said that they're starting to see just a little bit of softening in the international terminal, let's say that, at Delas, at our airports, but of course we only care about Delas. So just a little bit of softening in the international terminal, not quite as busy and especially flights that are coming from Canada, coming from Europe. How would that, I mean, I know Delas is our airport, but if we see any, if we see a substantial drop off in international travel, with that impact the loudens economy? Absolutely. I mean, Delas is such a big driver and, you know, the good news is that things like that take a while to take hold, but unfortunately, it also takes a long time to come back. Right? I mean, we see that through COVID and a lot of other experiences. So, you know, we're in uncharted territories, so we don't know exactly how any of this is going to ultimately play out. But it's that uncertainty that I was talking about that I think causes a lot of businesses. In fact, Mr. Holbrooke was, we were talking about that earlier today about how uncertainty is changing business decisions and business timelines. Yeah. Yeah. And if you look just at construction, I mean, my lens is myopic, but if you look at construction alone, not only is going to be impacted by the material cost increases, but also immigration is going to then impact the labor force. It's about 50% of the labor force for construction projects is an immigrant population. So it's going to be a double whammy on top of challenges that we've all been suffering of high interest rates and long lead time supply chain issues. So it's going to be an interesting ride for a while. And then as you just said, buddy, the tenants are unsettled. They don't know how to make a decision right now. Well, thank you. Mr. Oberg, please go back and thank all of your colleagues. What you do, you got to work really appreciate you. Absolutely, thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Amstad. Thank you, Madam Chair. Buddy, when you take a fairly broad view of loudensability to whether any economic storm, and you compare us to other areas of the state and the country, do you think it is too extreme to say we're going to be on our own with all the federal cuts. Do we know between potentially loss in transportation funds, loss in school funding, other loss of federal funds? Is the magnitude of that so great that there's no way we can survive it comfortably? Or do you think that we're pretty well-postered to survive it better than most counties? I would say I would rather be the economic development director in loud and than anywhere else, because I do believe that we have a very strong and resilient economy, and we're not overly exposed to any of the federal jobs or anything like that. I mean, we're not unimpacted. But when we look at the resiliency and the way that our economy is built, I think we're better off than most. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, so first of all, this is adorable. And I want to know where I can get it, because I want to frame it and put it in my office. Like this little guy is adorable. I would take care of it. It's so cute. Anyway. Oh, he's so cute. You mentioned there were some projects put on hold. Did you say two or four? And can you tell us which ones? I cannot tell you which ones. But most of them involved government contractors. Okay. Okay. And that's actually a perfect segue to my next question. And that is, we had talked about how many residents are government contractors that could potentially be losing their employment. And I guess we don't have that yet. I did see a number and maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was somewhere between 48 and 50% of loudened households have at least one worker who's either a government contractor or direct hire. So how are we doing with trying to figure that out? Yeah, it's a lot harder to get to that information than I think anyone really thought. But we are doing, I've heard that same number, I believe that to be a little bit high. But it's not insignificant. And we're seeing a lot of government contractors not in loud, but in Maryland and Fairfax and other places that are completely shutting down because they've lost all of their contracts. So we don't have any total stories of that happening in loud, but we are closely monitoring and doing as much information as we can get, we're doing as much analyzing of that information as we can. Okay, and then a 71% increase in initial unemployment claims. That seems eye-popping to me. Is that concerning to you? Well, absolutely. And it goes from a fairly low number to a fairly significant number. So that's part of, if you notice on that graph, that's the low point before it shot up. So. Well, and 71%. It only goes back to January 24. Okay, I was wondering what the comparison would have been to COVID, but it was it was it was higher than that. It was higher than this. Okay. Okay. And then what is meet the primes? Meet the primes and and we should have explained that better on there. You know, When we see government contracting, there's usually a prime that wins the big contract. Oh, prime contractor. And then subcontractors that then want to meet the prime so that they can get a part of that. Oh, I see. OK. And we do that annually? Yeah, we do that actually several times a year. Oh, OK. OK, great. Wonderful. And then just sort of a general question. I mean, mom's apple pie had no tariffs in their window, and I'm assuming that's because of aluminum. So what's your take on how small businesses are going to be impacted specifically? We've got mom's apple pie already saying no more tariffs. I am at because of aluminum. I imagine our breweries are probably thinking the same thing. So what do you think it's going to do our small businesses? I think it makes everything a lot harder. It's going to decrease profit margins and- Which are very slim already, I think. Which are slim already. It probably is going to have to recruit that by raising prices. you, again, it seems too early to really know how it's going to impact. You know, part of me still hopes for Hail Mary, but, you know, I do think that it is something that we have to be prepared for and we have to be, and that's, you know, what that's what we're trying to do with the resilience initiative is trying to prepare our small businesses for these. And I mean, when we were seeing the financial classes going from around 40 or 50 people to 170 people, you know that people are starting to look for other options and look for solutions. Yeah, okay. Okay, well I think that's everything. Thank you so much for coming this evening. We appreciate you. Our second information item is the quarterly report and capital improvement projects, third quarter FY 2025. Hello, it's a party. Do you guys have a presentation? Yes, we do. Okay, great. I thought you were usually good. So while Lou brings that up, I'll say good evening, Chair Bressman, members of the committee. We're here to present the Court of the Report for the Capital Improvement Projects for the third quarter of Fiscal Year 25, which ran from January through March. As always, our report, Court of the Report item highlights projects that were completed, projects achieved a major major milestone, reporting a delay, or require supplemental funding. Also each individual project page provides an update on the project. Go to over one more. the following slides, social and visual of some of the progress is quarter and I'll first start off by turning it over to Ernie Brown to review and answer any questions on some of the DGS's projects. Thank you, Scott. Good evening, committee chair, Brisbane, chair Randall, members of the board. Just a couple quick highlights. We come back to you every quarter with a number of projects just to make sure that you have retained visibility on these projects. The one that's seeing in front of there is the North West recycling drop off center that's in the Love It's Fill. We currently have a lease facility in town or in the town limits of Love It's Fill. We chose to renew that lease through July 2027 to allow us time to permit and construct this site. We are currently developing our special exception and site plan for this and we're anticipating 8 to 12 months to get that completed then we will move into the bidding and construction phase so that extended lease will allow us time to get that done. As mentioned previously this is funded by the plastic bag tax. Next slide, please. I'm very, very pleased to share today, Supervisor Sainz sent this out as well on his feed. So the recycling center in eastern Loudon on the Sterling Recycling Center actually started construction yesterday. So that was a big milestone for us. And they are mobilized. And we're going to start seeing a lot of activity on that site. I was going to swap out pictures on this to show actual construction going on. But I didn't want to mess up the process. But it's going well. Technically, it is on schedule. And they were actually supposed to start on 4-2 with construction. They started on 4-7 so very close to that and we are still anticipating a summer completion, full completion and that's building in a reasonable weather delay period. This one is also funded by the Plastic Bag Tax. Next slide, please. We added this one. You don't normally see our landfill projects on this list, but we wanted to bring this to your attention because it was listed as a delayed project. What you're seeing here is cell A2 for the construction and demolition disposal or CDD cell. These are constructed. We'll have a total of eight to have them reconstructed now, a total a total eight at finished point They're designed to pull out the concrete and wood that's not Recycle is not vegetative waste from the mainland film because it takes up. It's very bulky and it doesn't break down So it doesn't it's not very Synergistic with the rest of the with the call municipal solid waste So several years of the board approved us to split these out. It's just a better practice. And some of this stuff is actually recycled, some of the concrete is recycled as well. In this particular case, this was a new cell. We had some warranty issues that need to be resolved. That was actually resolved last week. That invoice was cleared and this project will be officially closed out this following quarter. So I just wanted to bring that to your attention if you saw that in the item. And it's a landfill, it's got cool pictures. In my opinion. The next one you see here, this happens to be one of my favorites. This has riverbed and stream restoration. It's an amazing stream restoration project. It is 313100 linear feet of restoration of a degraded stream system A system is about a $4 million project. 50% of that is funded by the state storm motor local assistance fund grant. Work began back in October 2023 and we are on budget in scope and actually slightly ahead of schedule with the expected completion in summer 2025 just in time for the new school year so we should be able to have the walkers re-aligned on that side of the Gonkian so that's good news. I say we're slightly had a schedule because that allowed us to work very closely with the contractor and we were able to slide in a community planting day. There was a lot of interest in doing some planting, which we're doing a large amount of planting. So on Saturday, April 26th, from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. If you were able to attend, we would love to have any and all of you attend. Chair Randall and I will be there at 9 a.m. We're very excited. We have frogs and crawdads. Yes, and dirt. It's wonderful. Yeah, you wait for me. You wait for me, just hold up your face, ma'am. See, I actually have a picture of a crawdad up there in the bottom right hand corner. Just for. Miss Brickson's going to hold her breath until I arrive. Mm, it's just going to happen. Very good. If you haven't been out there, I really would encourage you to set up some time with my staff to do a site visit. It is really a phenomenal project. Next slide, please. I have two slides. They're not right next to each other, but this is the Conklin Park area. We have two projects going on. The first one that we're showing you is the Conklin Park Stream Restoration Project. We'll the white stream looking thing flowing through there. It says project limits downstream project limits upstream. This is about a 1500 linear foot project in that particular region and it's about $2.8 million project. It is also 50% funded by the state's stormwater local assistance fund. This is a partnership between General Services, Parks and Rec, and the South Riding HOA. It is currently in design anticipated, the design is anticipated completed by the end of this month, and construction is anticipated in winter to start in winter 2026. Moving away from that location to take a look at some other projects, and then we'll come back to the other one up in that area. This is the Aspern 4B project. Now this is in partnership with the Homeowners Association. This is a pond that we manage. It's a storm water pond that we manage. And if you look at the top very left top right picture on the top left hand side, you'll see a lot of sediment flowing into that pond. Thank you very much, perfect. So that's created a lot of problem with siltation and as function has impacted its function as a storm water pond. And it also affects the downstream beaver dam which it flows into. This particular project is a 4.2 million dollar project. It's a retrofit 50% funded by the SLAF grant program. This is a partnership with the the aspirin Village HUA. And it was ready to go for this summer, but they asked us to shift it to the right, because... this LAP grant program. This is a partnership with the aspirin village HUA. And it was ready to go for this summer, but they asked us to shift it to the right because we didn't want to have a conflict with their July 4th festivities. So it is targeted to start destruction sometime in the September timeframe. So we're excited about that. Next slide, please. This is another really exciting stream restoration project. This is the horse pen stream restoration project. This is the first project that DEQ has managed that actually connects to the direct Potomac main stem. So this is a very interesting project for not only us, but also for the department of environmental quality as they work through this. Where the cost estimate right now is $7.8 million and again that's funded 50% by Slav grants. This is currently in design and it is expected for the design to be completed in April 2026 so it has some work to be done but we are expecting some concept layouts in the next month so we'll be sharing that as they get more refined. This is a project also with the private property owners of the countryside proprietary as most of it is actually on their property. So we're very excited about the start of that. It is 6,500 linear feet of stream restoration. Next slide please. Okay, back to the Conclan Farm area. So you'll see this really creative title called JC77 up in the top left corner. Yeah, I still don't know why we call it that but it's going to be called a Constructed Wetland. This is a 1.6 million project designed to convert that existing pond to a constructed wetland. And we do those things because it gives us a lot of nutrient credits to buy down our total maximum daily load expenses. This is what all these projects are designed to do to reduce that. In particular to create a net benefit to the immediate area. This is the nice thing about being able to do these projects in our community is the community derives the direct benefit of the natural resource improvements and the water quality improvements. This is located actually on South Riding HOA property. It's adjacent to Conflict Park, but it's not part of Conflict Park. So this is again another partnership with private property owners where they receive a benefit, the county receives a benefit and the environment receives an benefit as well. The project has just completed its permitting. We're drafting the invitation for bid now and we're anticipating construction sometime in the fall of 2025. Next slide, please. Okay, so I wanted to bring this up. We don't hear a lot about this, certainly vice chair, committee chair, Brisbane has a lot about this. It's in her district. But we wanted to provide a quick update on this because we are funding the majority of the water line extension in this particular area. The you may recall the hidden lane landfill had TCE contamination and there's a very notable and defined plume flowing into that area. That's pretty much in the red circle there or red line outline. We expanded that red into the blue outline there. That's what they call their buffer zone. And inside that blue line is where the EPA is actually installing and connecting residents of broadband farms to a public water supply to remove them from their wells. them from their wells. All those wells are on treatment systems right now, they're called poets, not the type you hear talking, but they clean the water. So that is where the EPA has drawn that line. They are fully responsible for performing that work and connecting those residents. wisely the board made the decision to also extend the opportunity for connection for the rest of the 300-some odd homes in broadband farms area. Now this is not forcing them to connect. This is providing the opportunities we're putting the water system right in front of their houses. So should they desire to do so, or should a change occur? The plume is identified in somebody's well. We have the ability to rapidly respond to that. I think it was a very wise decision. It's about a $10 million project. Loud and Water is doing the county's portion of it. And of course, the EPA is doing their portion of it. We had a conversation with the EPA project managers last week because we wanted to know how the changes of the federal government may be impacting this project. So you certainly heard about a lot of that from Mr. Reiser and we were confirmed that the project is fully funded and the funding has been obligated. So at this time they have no anticipated impacts or changes with the schedule for that project. Now as a relation to the EPA timeline phase one which is permissioned are the starting in person and white oak and lakeside. They're actually talking about starting that in June, mobilizing in May for the actual water project. And can you cheer for us? Am I still on track? Does it make sense? Okay.. That's what they told us. Because they had a community meeting a week or two ago. Loud and water will start about three months after they start. We're still anticipating some time in late summer for them to get started in their process. They will pull out their timelines as that goes. But wanted to bring this to your attention because it is a federally funded project, the EPA portion of it is, and that drives everything else. And so the information that we received as that project is not in jeopardy at all. And therefore our $10 million project that the board is committed to is also scheduled to be on track. Okay, Piony and Springs Waterford Interconnected System. This is obviously a very novel project, but it is moving along well. Our team is working very closely with Loudon Water on this and Loudon Water is ready to start utility designation surveys on wetland and land nations field work sometime in the May, June time frame. We are in the process of working with public affairs and loud and water to develop a more comprehensive public outreach package. We recognize there's a need to get the right information out to all the community, not just the community on Clark's cap, but also Waterford and Punion Springs to make sure that everybody has the right information set for this unique project. So once we get that on the street, that will kind of drive when loud and water starts that. As you may recall, this is a project that connects the Punean Springs wastewater system up into the water-ford wastewater system. So we run a wastewater pipe up the Clark Scapper Road to connect those two. And then we have a combined water system that will share wells in the area and provide potable water to P&E springs as well as water for it. So I wanted to bring that up to your attention to share where we are with that process and we can ask any questions as maybe needed on that. Okay, last but certainly not least are electric vehicle charging stations. When we last met, we had the first 10 of our projects fully funded, fully permitted, nine of those ten are in place. The last one of those is the government center right here. So we will be starting that in the next few months. We're having to bring in more power. And so we'll have six visitor spots. We'll have a couple spots up on the top for the fleet. And we're looking at trying to properly place and strategically place some chargers for our employees in that as well. So we believe we're covering all those spaces. They're getting used at the library. They very much are. We've seen a drastic increase in the usage. And so, while it's not certainly a profit center, it indicates that it's a beneficial use to our residents. So, real quickly, Love It's Field Community Park is permitted and start late April early May. Bramilton Community Center is waiting on permits. Pennington Garage is waiting on permits. More Fieldfield Station Community Park is waiting on permits. And then Elizabeth Mills Waterfront Park is also waiting on permits. All those have the purchase orders in place and the contracts lock down. They should be getting underway in spring, late summer. There are 15 remaining and what we call the phase one, which are the public facing sites. And those are not below hanging fruit. They're a little more expensive, so what we've decided to do with that is to take a more cautious and well planned approach for actually pull all those together and make some detailed engineering assessments on them to make sure that we have the right funding and the right timing on them. They can range at this point between $40,000 to $250,000 per charger because of the infrastructure and the electrical infrastructure that is necessary to get them in. So we want to get a well planned strategy before we pull the trigger on the rest of those. And that concludes my comments for this evening as it relates to the DGS run projects that the Board is so graciously supported. Ville, for any questions, should you have them? Does anybody have questions just on Ernie's stuff? I didn't want to call him Ernie, but his last name was not coming to me. Supervisor Luterno, Mr. Browns. Mr. Browns, stuff. I just saw that last comment you made. So are you potentially going to come back to us on that? I mean, I would want to spend $250,000 per charger somewhere. That is once we get that information, I think it would be appropriate for us to come back and ask the questions. Because some of those sites, which we recently identified, remember, was a partnership with DTC and DGS to do the big full look that did not above a deep dive into the cost associated with bringing those there. It is not uncommon for us to see these projects in the under $100,000 range, which were comfortable moving on. And we originally had an estimate for those balance of those 20 remaining sites to be $2 million at the 100,000 mark we found two that are combined, are about $620,000 to two of them. And so that calls us to pause, and we probably will bring those back to you all and ask or can- It's because they don't have the existing electricity infrastructure. The getting the electricity where it needs to go is extremely expensive, bringing in transformers to carry it. So we would gladly bring those back for your reconsideration. Yeah, okay. As long as we're doing that. Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Amstett. Thank you, Madam Chair. Ernie, the Broadrun Farmer's Waterline Extension project is dependent on the EPA. I am going to assume that because of the uncertainty is to what's going on at the federal level that we are not currently assigning risk risk percentages or risk elements to any of our projects. But those projects that are dependent on federal funding even if the EPA sounds like everything's going forward smoothly that could change based on what we're seeing in in the capital Can can you even assign a risk percentage to a project if it's dependent on federal funds or federal activity? So we haven't. And I really, we'd have to go back and do a little more research how to apply that risk analysis for that. We believe that what EPA has told us is that since the project is this far down the road and the funds are obligated. They're not feeling that there is a risk of that being pulled for this particular because it is a, it's up the nature of the project is pretty well supported and that's what we were told. Do you have any other projects where there might be risks? We don't have any funding associated with these projects that would be at risk. We've received confirmation that the $13 million grant for the C&G buses is still safe. And we're operating on that because those funds have already been committed to the states and then to the county so they're not given us an indication that that might be pulled back as well. We have made very little commitment to those buses at this point as far as purchasing them, but we've not had any indication that that's at risk. Okay. Your colleagues in DTCI might deal with more projects that get federal funding, either directly or. Yes. Thank you. Chair Randall. Thank you. You know, one of the things I love most about federal, I mean about local government is we often can see the results of what we do very quickly. I don't think we've seen it any, the rate in which we've seen that plastic back tax make a difference is astonishing. And the plastic back tax is very much a voluntary tax. If you don't want to pay it, bring your own backs, bring campus backs, which you don't pay it. But then the good that is happening now because we're going to have recycling centers also helps the economy, helps the environment, helps everything. And so, I am so pleased that this board saw our way free to do that. And I am really very pleased with the results both in the levels and the sterling area. I have two questions. On page 11, the stream restoration, or no, I'm sorry, it's the JC17, the Constructive Wretland Project. Is that body of water, a public body of water? Can people do things that you do on water on that body of water? So it is a stormwater pond on private HWA property. So the HWA can determine its use and who can use it. And they have partnered with us to turn it into a constructed wetland, which will actually bring more wildlife to it. Which again, we would gladly take you out to show you that. Yeah, well you wouldn't be glad after you had me out there for a little while. None of us would be glad. Yes, but it is on private property. So it does have a sound call to do. My second question is, I am, you know, we have talked about government by example so many times. And so we talk it when we talk about putting in the charging stations. That's government by example that we shouldn't ask the businesses to do. We don't do ourselves. So again, I'm so happy that we're getting these things done and we're getting them done very quickly. My only question for that project is, when we put these in in the government, localities especially, this building, are they in the, are we putting some of the charging places where you would have an ADA vehicle? And for this facility, especially, since we're still doing the assessment on what our parking spaces should look like to make sure that we have the most, the closest spaces are ADA spaces. Are we sure we're not going to put the, you know, charging vehicles and then have to change them later because that's what the ADA spaces will go. I just want to make sure that those two things are kind of living in in symphony that the ADA needs and the charging station, the charging needs at the same time. Certainly. So we have taken that into consideration at every single location and we try to make them proximal in this particular building because of the constraints of the slopes that we have on those ramps, we would actually have to give up an ADA spot. So what that basically means is if we put a charger there that only charging vehicles are allowed to be there, now you double the constraint on that particular ADA compliant spot. So they have to have the ADA approval and then they have to be a vehicle with the charger so We did not we did not constrain that On our ADA so it's proximal, but it is not actually in an ADA spot So that is that is taken taken into account So then because I know that we had not finished the assessment on our parking lot, this parking lot. So are you saying that's taken into account a finished assessment or that's what it looks like as of right now? As of right now. As of right now. Okay. It does not, we do not have an ADA compliant and constrained spot in this particular location. We do have it, we have it at Pennington because we have better locations for that. We're working on that, but that decision was made prior to the ADA compliance and I have to go back, I'm not so sure that the charges are actually federally required to the ADA. I don't think they are, but what we keep saying and what I keep saying is we would like to go beyond. We're just required. I also know that we're still in the process of assessing. Just to give you an example, we've looked very closely at that and we're working with the parking team to try to figure out how we can actually increase the parking the ADA parking on other levels to free up some spots down on the first floor. So that those are all 100% visitors and employees park on that location. We have an elevator so yeah. And that one works very well, I would like that. That makes perfect sense, yeah. That makes perfect sense. Thank you very much. Thank you, ma'am. That's for Roger Sain. Thank you. I'm glad to hear that the recycling location at Park View is moving along. Yes sir. The permits and what not so we're actually going to be start moving some dirt so glad to hear that and get sure of their community. Half serious, half choking though. We have a lot of stream restorations and mainly all gongkin and a few other districts. But are we looking at any other stream restorations that might not be on this list for other areas or do we have a perspective list? We are opportunists when it comes to stream restoration locations. So we do a lot of partnering with private entities and if they're willing to do so, we partner with them. And we're looking at one, actually a very large one right now. Staff will probably be irritated that I brought this up. But the government center complex, the support center complex has a very strong candidate for a stream restoration project right here, just basically in our backyard and its own county and property. If we have landowners that are interested in willing to partner with us, we partner with them. So if you know of anybody that has large enough segments, we try to keep streams at a minimum of a thousand linear feet, have a degraded stream bed and then it has to be evaluated to them. We can get those credits for it. If you know of any landowners that are interested in doing that, we would gladly take their partnership. Okay, very good. And then last question, have you started, I'm kind of sticking on this stream restoration, I know for the, what's the place in the Eastburg West Park? Yes. Have you started any work there yet or? So Logan with DTCIs, work in that project, incredible project manager for that and that the actual work is not started with the design is and I'm sure that the team can Probably speak to that in much more detail the DCIT. Yeah, just curious. Okay, very good. Thank you Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you And and to supervise your saying's point It's my understanding part of the reason that the thebend and the horse pen are good candidates is because the infrastructure is built and probably not going to change. And so the stream keeps doing what it's going to do and you don't have any danger of different flow coming from, you know, runoff coming from somewhere else. And so there may be some other spots in other built areas in the county that would, yeah, it is amazing. So if you really, really, if you get a chance to go by, you really should, colleagues. The Horsepen Stream Restoration, we do have a hopefully imminent project for trail and a bridge over Horsepen run. Are we coordinating this two? We are coordinating very closely with the DTCI and their team on that. We are intentionally keeping it separate because they have different purposes and outcomes. Yeah. So we're keeping them coordinated and informed of each other. Okay. But not doing anything to maybe to to adjoin them. OK. Yeah. Great. I just want to make sure that I'm you guys are great. I'm sure everyone's aware of everything. I just wanted to make sure I don't would not want the bridge to be delayed. No, ma'am. OK. And then the other thing I wanted to ask about was bless. Oh, that's not you, never mind. I think that's all I had for that. Yeah, thank you. Great. ask about was bless. Oh, that's not you, never mind. I think that's all I had for that. Yeah, thank you. Okay. Okay, go ahead. So excuse me, Mr. Brown, I think I'm gonna take number 20 next without objection for my colleagues because you're number 20 as well, right? So then we can be finished. Okay, thank you. Go ahead. Thank you. All right, move on to a couple of facility projects that DTCI is working on. And first off, I'm happy to report that all the Fire and Rescue Station number seven is substantially complete. And we are wrapping up some punch list items and are starting the FF&E installation. Fire and Rescue is working to establish a stationing opening date and we'll have a ribbon cutting ceremony planned as well for this one. Date not yet determined. We have some very happy people up here. Yes. A long time coming. Next slide. This is the Fire and Rescue basic training facility right down the street at the training campus. This is coming up out of the ground. As you can see, some of the mainstream walls coming up and underground utility work ongoing, so this one's now progressing well. The next up is the MHSADS Crisis Receiving and Stabilization Center on MetaViewCourt. We are going pretty well on this one as well. As you can see, we're coming up out of the ground here as well, a lot of underground piping with this and contractors doing well to keep this one moving as we do have a tight construction duration on this and they are still on schedule. Next up is the Ashburn Recreation and Community Center. Ne completion and they've reached some significant milestones getting the plaster in the pools and the pool filled as you can see and while these pictures look great there's still a lot of work to do to button this up and really do some final cleaning. They're doing some testing and balancing of the HVAC systems, getting the pull equipment, filters, getting all the water filtered through that as well. So over the coming months, Parks and Rec will turn over to Parks and Rec in the coming months and they'll have FFNE installation and hiring staff getting staff trained. And so through the summer we'll be working on that. And now onto the transportation side of DCCCI projects. This is the Route 50 trailhead drive roundabout. The picture on the left is the prior phase where Route 50 kind of went through the constructed roundabout and then on the right side you can see where that was then taken away and we're using the roundabout in this current phase Maybe another month or so left of this project whether dependent, but It's moving along pretty well Lastly, we've had some success this quarter completing in construction the construction of 30 of the local fixed route bus stops as well as 30 other silver line bus stops We also saw another large group of stops go into construction over the last week So so we have kind of dislodged some of that backlog and and getting these complete So those are highlights for you this quarter and our team is happy to take any questions you might have for us. Thank you. Did you guys, I know I've been on the committee when you've come with your updates before but have you always had slideshows of projects like this? This is new. It's been the last two quarters. The last two quarters. Okay. It's kind of cool. Yeah, really kind of drives it home. Colleagues, any questions? Supervisor Luterner. Yeah, I have a couple. So there's some not-so-positive news on the Dulles West, our coalists and North Star, which is showing a delay for utilities and conflict with the road as well as some issues related to property ownership. I understand that, but it's showing a one-year delay in land acquisition and an overall project delay of three quarters, which seems pretty substantial. Can you walk me through kind of what happened there? Good evening. Some of these are identifying recent property transactions and where the plat may have needed to be redone. One was a county purchase and or proper of a nearby property. But things like in nearby and immediate properties are having to be updated now into the plans through the right of way process. But the timing does that really take a year? It is. With the utilities then to follow. So if the utility easements are needed, that all follows as we update the only. Is that a worst case scenario? That's the worst case. And that's why we think it's three quarters overall because as land becomes cleared, we are proceeding with those utilities. So we're doing those jointly. Okay. Two others. So my two favorite projects. The 50 Loud and County Parkway interchange. Do we have any update on the interchange access report process with B dot? We'll have to look into that. I do not know where that sits at this point. Okay. And then the 50 Northern Collector Road, my understanding is that through some diplomacy we have had success and potentially this project moving forward with Fairfax County and amendment on the Fairfax County why transportation plan to include this road which has been something that we've been working on for years. So that's great news and I'm not sure people up here knew about it but do Do you know if and when we would see a discussion around that progress and how we can incorporate that into our strategy, both for funding and then just getting the project actually moving, because that's kind of the last big piece. I could say on the Fairfax County part, we anticipate in talking with their staff having their CTP amendment potentially on their plan by the end of this year. So that would, and we're also looking at applying for NVTA funding. Okay. For that this year, that'll be this summer. Okay. Yeah, Yeah, I mean once it's I think part of our strategy was if we were able to get this on the Fairfax County CTP We already have MOA involved in this from a right away standpoint and potential support there for some Potentially larger grant opportunities related to airport and things like that so So if we're not, I think when that happens, we should really kind of regroup on the strategy and see how we can try to really move this forward and get some additional funding. Okay, that's it. Thank you. Okay, Madam Chair. Can you go back once, Lye, please? I do understand when the bus rolls up, the bus ramp will come down and meet the curb. But how are a person get up on the curb if they're in a wheelchair or are having issues walking? Where's the curb cup for them to get up on the road? So in this particular scenario, can can see the new concrete, you're talking about it on the left. The new concrete kind of meets the old concrete right at the bus shelter and then in the back there is a path that leads to the intersections or further down the way. So coming from the residences would or intersections would follow that fence line to the concrete. And this is just out to the road to meet the bus. I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure. Would you just say it to me? So this is not at an intersection. So this is kind of taking you from the road back to the shared use path that's along the fence line and that's how you would navigate up and down the road to the intersections and potentially crossing roads at that point at the intersection, not kind of right at this mid block intersection. So if somebody is in the wheelchair they can't come across the street and get up on that curve. They have to go down the street up up on a path back there and then back all the way down. Correct, because the intersection is up there so they wouldn't cross mid-the- So they go, okay. They have crossed mid-the- Well, I get what you're saying, it's not the safest thing to do. Correct, and it's no both of those. On both of those, they have to do that. They have to go down to the intersection, go up on the curb cut, and then come back down the block. Correct. And there's no curb cut on the other side of this as well, so there wouldn't be a way to get onto the street, bend down, so the intersection is the best way. And there's a curb cut on the right hand side. How far down is the intersection? I don't know this one specifically. We would have to look into this specific scenario to get that distance. Okay. Let me know what those are at. Okay, I'll go out there and take a look at them myself. Okay you. Thank you. Thank you. I wanted to know it says Bless Park will be opening in the summer of 25. Do we have a more specific date yet? We're in the process of wrapping up the park. We've had some delays associated with weather, which is typical in a park improvement. But yes, we are looking within, hopefully within the next quarter, of being substantially complete. So light, do you know what month of those are going to be like the grand opening? Well, we haven't scheduled that yet, but as soon as we have substantial completion, we'll inform the board, which is likely will likely be in the next quarter, and then after that, we'll schedule that with the appropriate folks, along with yourselves. Okay, so we don't. So we're looking. We don't know the month. I. Yeah, I hesitate to give you an exact month at this time, but we're probably looking at some time in the summertime. Okay, thanks. Okay. And then the Algonquin Parkway multimodal pathway study last quarter, it said DTCI anticipates presenting the study findings and proposed recommendations to the BOS next quarter. And now it says the same thing in this quarter's update. So do you know? We are continuing our review of that study, but it is in progress and moving forward. So I don't have an exact date for you at this time. Okay. Okay. I think that is everything. Thank you. Without objection, colleagues, I'm going to move on to item 20, composting initiatives, report and recommendations. Tony Hayes and Mr. Brown. I know it is. I didn't realize it was two, but I passed on it. Yeah. I'll keep them here for that one. I thought it was just one. Madam Chair, my apologies. I was remiss in also sharing that we have item number 21 as well in the Howard's fill. I know. Process so- So just stay there. Yes ma'am. Please. Thank you. All right. Well as we get tuned up on this particular item, it really is our pleasure to bring this long awaited update to you all. I know that the board has been very engaged and interested in the composting and the Food Scrap Collection Program, or Waste Collection and Composting Program. We've run it for a couple of years and we have seen enough information data collection to be able to come back to you and provide you with recommendations for next steps. So Mr. Hayes, our recycling manager, Mr. Ragnar, is here tonight to give us more details on this. And I'll song and dance while they get this thing set up for us. Good evening. So do you all have, sorry Amanda. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The share. The side. All right. We can go straight to slide two. So I will turn over the technical sides of it to Mr. Hayes momentarily but as you may recall in 2021, the board member initiative came coming out of, I believe, Mr. Sains shopped to extend and increase our composting program that we currently had at the landfill. And then also in addition to that was to create a food waste drop off center pilot project that would allow us to then take the food waste and have it composted as well. So that was approved back in 2022. We implemented started in 2023 through 2025. Next slide please. And this is the results of what we've seen since that time. So Mr. Hayes, floor's yours. Good evening. Thank you for having us tonight. I'm excited to talk about the program that we've been working on over the past couple of years. So just a little bit of history with our composting process at the Solid Waste Management Facility. We basically were receiving yard waste from curbside collectors to some extent and a lot of material is also being brought in by the public and dropped off at the facility where we would just take the leaves and grass and put them in wind rows and store them away and turn them in whenever we had an opportunity to do so. It would take roughly 18 months or so to compost that material and then we would use the material on site for storm water management programs and planning grass seed. So to upscale the program, what we did was basically the same thing. However, we then started to grind the material and help expedite the composting process. And then that helped us to actually compost it within about 12 months as opposed to 18 months. And then at the end of the process, we would screen it with a large trommel screen. Next slide please. So this shows kind of an example of the magnitude of this program. These wind rows are roughly 400 feet long by 20 feet wide and 10 to 15 feet tall. And that's actually ground material that excavators setting on. They have to go through and basically move all that material, that excavator takes a process of days to do that. And we do that roughly once a month to help keep the material aerated and composting properly. Because if we don't do that, then the microbes that actually need, that don't need oxygen will start working in producing methane. So we have to routinely aerate it and then after all that's done, we'll then screen the material. So sometimes the grinding happens earlier and sometimes it happens later, but at the end of the process, we always are screening with this machine on the right, which is a trommel screen. The picture on the left shows the contracted service that we hire out to come in and grind all the material. That's all contract labor. And then on the right we rent that machine and we use in-house staff and equipment to actually screen the material, produces a finished compost. The previous slide was showing that we receive roughly a thousand tons of leaves and grass a year, and on top of that we receive probably a minimum of to six thousand tons of woody materials as well. The woody materials we actually, we grind and make mulch and provide that to the public as a landscaping product and we also use it on site as well. We'll mix some of the mulch with the compost or with the composting leaves and grass and then we also use it on site for the stormwater management. Next slide. And again, the applications of this and the intent was to actually produce a finished product that would be acceptable to give out to the public. We've actually composted nearly 6,000 cubic yards in material since we started and we've given away about roughly 500 cubic yards to the public. The left hand side of that pile is the finished compost, the right side is the mulch. So that's kind of the the upscaling of the composting of the yard waste and category one materials at the landfill. And next I'll go on to the Food Waste Drop Off Center pilot unless anyone has any questions so far. So the second initiative was to start a Food Waste Drop center pilot project and we started we actually constructed this back in October of 2023 and opened the facility in November. And it's been running very well since we started. I would say that the program has been a success as far as being able to do pilot study to see whether or not we can have these types of facilities open to the public with minimal oversight. The facility is staffed and we have people around a lot of the time, you know, checking everything out, but basically no one's really monitoring what happens here. We open and close the gate at the end of the day, and at the end of the week, or in the middle of the week, we have a contractor that comes in and removes the gate at the end of the day and at the end of the week or in the middle of the week We have a contractor that comes in and removes the filled compost or filled food waste collection bins And they take them off site to a composting facility in Frederick, Maryland Where they compost the food waste and food scraps? Thank you very much. I appreciate that Tony So what we're looking at tonight is some several recommendations for the Board's consideration. In the waste, the vegetative waste composting area, we are recommending that we continue that accelerated or upscaled vegetative waste composting production at the landfill. We are not recommending that we commercialize it, but if we have provided a feasibility study option there if the board chose to do so, we're also not recommending that we combine both vegetable waste and food waste into a combined production product. That's a much more complex and very expensive process. So that is our recommendation for the vegetative waste portion. Next slide, please. And on the food waste, we have several recommendations for the committee's consideration. The first is we are recommending that the committee recommend to the board that we maintain the existing food waste composting operation at the landfill not as a pilot, but as a permanent feature. We're able to maintain that with the existing 2026 budget. We're also recommending that the committee consider recommending to the board that we explore the possibility of expanding food waste composting services at county facilities and school facilities. We have spoken with the schools and they are very interested in this because they obviously have cafeterias in every single school and it might be an ideal opportunity to collect that recapture that and then make those food waste compostable. And we would also recommend that the committee recommend to the board that we explore food waste drop-off at some of our county facilities as well. Say for example the central kitchen which prepares an enormous amount of food for the public and for our operations. I'm trying to do it straight. So those are our recommendations for consideration for the committee this evening. Next slide please. And that wraps it up into a bulletized version for you. So with that, committee chair Priskman, we stand by for any questions you may have. Thank you. Colleagues, without objection are we okay? We just go into a motion on this. Okay. Vice committee chair, say. Thank you, Chair Committeewoman Brisbane. I'm aware that the Finance Government Operations Economic Development Committee recommend that the Board of Supervisors Services approved the staff recommended options including one, the continuation of the upskilled vegetation, vegetative waste composting operations at current levels. Two, can the continuation of the food waste drop-off center at the landfill? Three, authorize staff to conduct feasible studies for establishing a food waste composting program at county facilities in schools where meals are prepared and served for authorized staff to conduct a feasibility study for establishing up to nine additional permanent food waste drop off sites as outlined in the April of 2025 finance government operations economic development committee action item report. Oh, second that. Do you have any opening comments? I'll just briefly say that you know glad that we were able to get this BMI approved. Back in I believe it was with 2021. Happy to see that the results are bearing I guess some fruit. So to speak. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, you know, and we've actually had a very good response from the community, not just in sterling, but overall in the county received numerous emails for people in support of it. We have one sterling district member that probably, I will say every other month or so, we We've been giving updates but she is persistent asking for updates when this is coming back and what are the next steps? What do I need to do? So thank you for your advocacy and your interest in this program. So I'm hoping we can continue this program and move it forward. One question that I had for staff is in regards to, obviously we're going to do, if this passes to a physical state, if we look at other options, and I think I agree with county facilities and school facilities, if they agree, where we're preparing and serving food, because that makes perfect sense. But off the topic of your head, if you have any suggestions, where else would you possibly look at doing collections? Only thing, I can think can think of, or current recycling locations that we have. I know obviously we're rebuilding and sterling, have one in Asperin, we have a couple of places out and west with those B ideal locations, or are you thinking of something else just off the top of your head? I think that we should, for the public drop off sites, they should probably be in county facilities where there are staff present. That would be ideal like we have at the landfill. It doesn't take much to manage the program, but just to have someone on site is a good idea. And so we would want to look at sites that would accommodate that such as parks, potentially. And then where maybe in some of the areas where we don't have a staff facility, then we may be look at a recycling drop-off center as a backup. Which the feasibility study will bet all that out for us and look at those parameters so that we can ensure that the board has good information to make those informed decisions. Good. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Litterno. I know. Well, I was going to ask about the recycling centers, but what exactly is the concern at having it at a recycling center where there is no staff? Well, at the end of the day, somebody really needs to be able to close the containers and just make sure everything is secure. And get everything open back up in the morning again. You have wildlife concerns. And a lot of the recycling centers are out in areas, rural areas where. But can we really, like just say it's a park. It's not really in the PRCS job description. Right. We would not, it would just be a visible presence so that if something had gone awry. So for example, they are very, vermin are very attracted to these. They tend to like to come and feed on those. So if staff, the county personnel observe these things, we can be contacted and go deal with it directly instead of having our staff maintaining a constant presence in those sites. Because otherwise, let's like the recycling centers. We don't get to those recycling centers every day for observation. We get to them maybe a couple times a week so you could have the word I like to use is putricity. You know, you could have putrid things that have been drawn out of those food waste containers by animals and can create up a negative environment for the community. So just having eyes on it is a preferred way, so there is somebody that can see. I don't know. It doesn't make it down to appealing for a part of the community. Very tempting, yes. Very, very tempting. But properly, fenced and screened and managed, they're safe and clean. That's fine. Yeah. OK. All right. So are you doing the feasibility first? Yes, sir. We'll bring the findings. We'll bring the findings of the feasibility studies back to you all for a good election. And the only other thing just as sort of, it's more of a comment maybe than Yes, sir, and then we'll bring the finals again or we'll bring the findings of the feasibility stuff best studies back to you all for For direction and the only other thing just as sort of it's more of a comment maybe the question But we do have programs with LCPS for food recovery that serves our food banks and our pantries So we would just want to make sure that we weren't you know interfering with that correct Yes, sir, and that would all be wrapped up into the feasibility study. All right. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I would think that, first of all, happy to support. I think the bottom line is about 204,000 FY26. Yeah. OK. I would think senior centers would be a good place because they do food prep. I mean, I know you're doing a feasibility study, but senior centers and maybe rec centers. I mean, part of it is convenience as well for folks. So, hey, we're already going to the rec center. Let's drop off our food waste kind of thing. You mentioned that though it goes out of the county after it's collected. Do you know what, I only have 21 seconds? I think I got a little more time to that. I should have started at three. Thank you. It's going out of the county. I'm assuming that it's then turned into fertilizer or something like that. So we don't get it back for like, you know, our master gardeners or people like that? No, not currently. But maybe when we expand, if the program is expanded, maybe there could be some opportunity to maybe get some back. I know that it goes to a farm compost facility in Frederick, Maryland, and they do give some of the material back to local programs around the farm. Yeah, that's like gold for someone. So you need some of that chair for your new garden. She's ignoring me. OK. Do you have a closing? I'll just simply say this board and the board that initially approved the BMI. We've been very active in the intentional in our our energy and environmental efforts and that has been a big focus for us and I'm glad to see that and hopefully that will continue so thank you. Thank you motion made by supervisor Sain seconded by Ms. Briskman all in favor any opposed. Okay that motion carries 5-0. Thank you. And we will move to 21. Item 21, please. Yes, ma'am. We do not have a presentation slide deck for this. This is just be verbal. So, Mr. Scott Finchland would be down here. Thank you very much, don't you? And so we don't have anything to add to the item. We just wanted to provide a quick overview of what the item is and frankly why we brought it to the item. We just wanted to provide a quick overview of what the item is and frankly why we brought it to the board for your consideration. This is a staff initiated item. We received about a year ago some inquiries on this particular topic, actually through the chair's office and supervisor to Crony's office. And we took that internal work with the Crony's office to come with a solution for this. But as you all know, we have been working very closely with the Howard's Hill community for several years as it relates to the wastewater system there. So I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Scott Finchham to provide a quick overview pending the committee chair's approval. Yes, please. Thank you. Scott, for sure. Good evening. As the committee is aware, the county has worked for years to address the inadequate wastewater systems in Howardville. Tonight's item is just an extension of those efforts. Just a recap in 2022, we completed the collection system, wastewater collection system in Howardville, which basically addressed the immediate needs, the public health needs within the community. And if you remember, there was a slight delay that we needed where we had to collect data. So, loud and water needed to collect data from the houses that were in there to make sure that we didn't over-design the system. Those efforts now have started here in 2025. Loud and water is moving forward with design and eventually will move into construction to complete that wastewater treatment facility and the onsite sewage disposal system to complete that project for Harrodsville. To address those public health issues in Harrodsville though, capital improvement funds were approved for the design and construction of the Harrodsville wastewater project. However, because vacant lots in Harrodsville do not constitute mitigation of a public health concern, the use of the CIP funds for connection to the vacant lots was not supported. So in April 2020, staff presented to the board several methodologies for calculated in potential county connection fee for vacant lots in Howardville. A connection fee of $16,300 was approved to recover the cost incurred by the county for the design and construction of a small portion of the low pressure waste water collection system designed to accommodate those vacant parcels. In 2024, a property owner approached the county to address the vacant lot and Harrodsville's Senate letter to the county addressing concerns with current connection costs that were prevent vacant lot ownersers from connecting to the wastewater system. Unlike the improved lots where a grinder pump was supplied in loud water grinder pump fees covered, vacant lot earners required or required to pay these additional costs, which are estimated to be around $16,000. With the additional county connection fee of $16,300, the cost to connect for vacant lots is estimated to be between $30 and $35,000. The estimate also does not account for the additional contractor construction costs for that connection. After evaluating the concerns in the letter, staff concluded that measures to address the cost impedement for vacant lots in Howard'sville should be considered for the following reasons. Howard'sville is a small community consisting of just 14 lots. So supporting any use of the county funded and installed wastewater systems should be encouraged. Due to the small size of the community encouraging more connections will help the wastewater system run more efficiently, but by providing a more consistent flow. reintroduction of, we also would want to prevent reintroduction of any private individual onsite sewage system back into the community for parcels that may have that option. As you remember, a water system was not put in Harrodsville, they still use private wells. And to support extended families returning and revitalizing the community. To assist property owners of vacant parcels in Harrodville community who want to build a home and connect to the county constructed community wastewater system, staff propose a connection fee waiver program be considered. Working with the county attorney's office, the proposed waiver program described in this item would require a vacant lot owner to grant the county a deed of trust. Security forgivable note in the amount of $16,300. The forgivable note will include language that 10% of the $16,300 secured amount will automatically be forgiven every year that the earner retains earnership. This process helps to prevent fronts from being used for private construction endeavors, but still allows for a means to support community revitalization, wastewater system use, and system operational efficiency. Thank you. Thank you very much, Scott. So, committee members, as Scott just explained, our recommendation is to ask the committee to give consideration to recommend to the board to authorize staff to establish this connection fee waiver program for those specific lots that are vacant and would not otherwise be able to connect due to the cost factors associated with that. So we at this point don't have anything else to add and we will make ourselves available for any questions that you may have. Okay, thank you. Are we okay with going to a motion, Madam Chair? Okay, go ahead. I the Finance and Government Operations, the Economic Development Committee, Reckman the Board Supervisors, Authorized staff to establish a connection fee waiver program to assist property owners on vacant parcels in the House for a community who want to construct a home and connect to the community constructed wastewater system as for the early April, 8 2025 Finance Government, Operations and Economic Development Committee action item. So go ahead. You know whenever we talk about the Anything with how it's for the House Fair waste water system and all that we've done. I always want to first think Kim Hart for bringing the entire issue to my To my knowledge some years ago. I also want to thank so many people, the county administration, loud and water, quite a few of our nonprofits. You know, somebody who was just reading this and not knowing the history might think, well, why we use our, why we give a fee waiver to this community so they can build homes. And what they might not know and might miss is that there were people in Howard's field who were paying well over what their homes and their land was assessed at for decades. And it was said just a little while ago that some of these people had private wells. Well, there were some private wells, but for some homes, there was no running water at all. They were still using what's called privies, which is a very, very nice word for outhouses if you didn't know what the word privy meant. And so in a very, very way, I feel know, because you can only go back so far, and a homeowner cannot recoup the over cost that they paid if they paid too much in a home assessment. It's not like, I think it's five years, you can go only five years of homeowner can go back. So in very many ways, this is a way that the county can at least offer some financial, it's not even assistance, it's repayment to people who are very likely paid more in their real property taxes than they should have for gosh knows how long. And so I do really appreciate this effort. I appreciate the wastewater system in general. Thank you, Loudon Water. Thank you everybody who's been involved in this entire project has been so important to me. And it feels like it was important to me, that's to become important to other people too. It became important that Mr. Himstery became important to you, Mr. Brown. It became important to our nonprofit community. And when I think of the moment we had that Thomas Reed, the keys to his new home after living in a situation was living it for so many years. was, it was, it was, it was almost like a miracle had happened and so it's, it's, it's just such, I hope one day somebody writes a book about what, what's happened here. So I am, I am so proud to make this motion. Please, what's happening in Howard's field and want to thank everybody for getting us to this moment right now. So thank you all very much. Thank you, Supervisor Amstet. Thank you Madam Chair. Bernie, I just, I want to make sure that the following scenario doesn't inadvertently occur. So if this waiver or The next step would be for a vacant lot. I could envision a developer, a wealthy developer, buying a vacant lot and benefiting potentially from this exemption, whereas an existing homeowner would still have to pay the $16,000 or whatever it is. Is that scenario possible? So we spent a fair by the time with county attorney's office on this particular issue because that is exactly what The fee was designed to prevent and that the county would not be contributing to the financial gain of a developer that was coming in for that Improving the value of the property essentially So the way that this was constructed with the county attorney was to allow it to be a lean on the property that they have to basically live on that property for 10 years to have that lean go away. If a developer came in to purchase the property, they would not get that until they obviously connected and then lived on that and they would have the reduction over that 10 year period. That's probably not an incentive for somebody to go through that avenue. They would probably just absorb those costs and build it into the cost of the development. So is it possible, I would say anything's possible, is it likely probably not? And it would just add that the existing homes that are there do not pay any of this. So they because that is mitigating a public health risk. This the the $16,000 300 was necessary to compensate so that the county was not contributing to the improvement of private property. And this is a mechanism that the county attorney says is viable because it diminishing loan were actually putting a lien putting a lien on the property. If they buy the property, build the property, flip the property, we get our money. Okay, thank you. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. I'm very, very happy to support and I don't think it should be lost on us, Madam Chair, that this has been a heart and soul project for you and really, really important for you and it is a moment to be proud that we are taking care of the citizens of Howard'sville and so really proud of you for doing this and happy to support. Thank you. I will close it. I remind everyone that much of the property out there, the land doesn't perk and so it would be really hard. I don't mean it's a valid question, but I doubt if, you know, I think of most of the developers going to come out there and scoop up that land and buy property. We were seeing that already. And when you have land, it just doesn't perk. It's why the land was when the assessment was not done from the air, but they actually got on the ground and assessed this. That's why it was set so low because there's almost nothing you can do with that land, which is also why the wastewater system was needed and the way that it was needed because you couldn't do anything else with non-perkable land. So I would just remind everyone of that as well. Ernie, thank you so much for all that you all have done and thank everyone who has been involved. Thank you Madam Chair. motion made by Chair Randall, seconded by Supervisor Luterner. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. All opposed? All right, that motion carries 5-0. Thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. Have a good evening. We will move to item number 5. I'm sorry. here for 20 and 20 and 21. Good evening. Do you guys have any presentation or comments? I understand that our county attorney is also online. That is correct. Thank you. Supervisor Brisbane, we do not have a presentation. Okay. All of the information is contained in the item. I do just want to take a moment and introduce the staff that's here with me this evening. To my far right is DFP Director George Govann. To my immediate right is contracting officer, Steven Wilson, who's responsible for the day-to-day contracting activities for this contract. And to my left is study ship, the finance manager in LCSO, who handles contract matters for the department. Okay, okay, great. I might start, well, actually, if anyone has questions for staff, Madam Chair. Oh, no, I'm sorry, my light was still on my public. Okay. Supervisor Lutern. Adam 5, yeah. All right, so one of these is related to the inmate medical and psychiatry services. And after I heard the item was taken off consent and there were some questions about it, I did do some digging for my office. So the company is in bankruptcy. Is that not something that we wouldn't be concerned about? So I can start the conversation on this but then would defer to my colleagues in the county attorney's office to provide some additional information. We were made aware in December that well pass the contractor under this contract is in chapter 11 bankruptcy. We did some research at that time. It's our understanding that they are able to continue to perform 100% of their contractual responsibilities during this time and our contract will not be affected. I mean, because they say so. That is the information that they've provided us. Again, to our knowledge, we're not aware of any effect that this will have on our contract at this time So from a timing standpoint this these particular services I think the contract is up in June if the board is not comfortable moving forward with this contract What would be the process to actually Continue those services. I imagine Going out on a whole new RFP is going to take time is Would there be a process or a way to maintain services in the interim? So ideally what staff is recommending is to proceed with the renewal. This is the final renewal period available under this contract. So staff was already in the process of preparing the next RFP. So our goal is during this two year renewal cycle is to draft the new RFP issue, negotiate an award and prepare a sufficient transition plan and the event a new contractor was selected. It is a fairly complex contract so we are expecting the duration to take 12 to 18 months to complete the process. Appreciate that but that wasn't quite the question I asked. Question I asked is if the board isn't going to move forward then what will we do? We would have a challenge to get a new contract in place prior to the end of the current period, which as you shared is on June 30th. The typical RFP process alone does take six to eight months. Absent, a contractor default. We wouldn't necessarily proceed with like a termination. Again, we don't believe that they're currently in breach of contract. So I would have to confer with the county attorney's office and what additional options may be, but staff is still trying to proceed with the contract renewal at the same time planning for the next RFP process. Okay, concept for now. Supervisor Amstet. Thank you Madam Chair. So is this a Chapter 11 bankruptcy, a reorganization of the business restructuring of the debts, or is this Chapter 13? This is Chapter 11. Chapter 11, okay. We have someone from the county attorney's office. I don't know if they're comfortable addressing this, but what makes staff comfortable that this company can continue to operate? Which is what Chapter 11 envisions a restructuring of debt so that the company can continue to do business is staff comfortable that that process seems to be going along fairly smoothly for this company. At this time, yes. OK. All right, thank you. Supervisor Sains. Thank you. I'll kind of piggyback on Supervisor Luternos' questioning in regards to the contract. So right now you're asking us to approve the final renewal, correct? That is correct. Which we can say no to, correct? Technically, yes. Okay, and if we were to say no, what would be the process? That is the question of the hour. We were trying to figure out the best way to proceed, and I'm not trying to be to smart. So we didn't have this information, because we have, it's a 50-50. We could either say yes, or we could have say no. So staff was not prepared to answer the question no in advance. So if I may. Committee. Yes, go ahead. So these contracts, I think Ms. Middleton is trying to convey, take a year to 18 months to bid and to have a new vendor on board. So that's why we have a two year renewal period on this specific contract. We would not normally bring, in other words, if the board or the finance committee was uncomfortable with the renewal, we would be looking for that to come from you as of the last renewal or at a period of time like now saying that you're not comfortable with this company. The only thing staff would identify is if we have because the contractor has been properly bid and the contract was properly awarded with renewals. And so we would normally follow through with those renewals unless we have a reason on the contracting side to come to the board and say this contract is in default. Or we have concerns about this contractor and their ability to perform. From a timing perspective, I believe the bankruptcy is relatively recent within the last month or so. I believe staff was made aware of it in December. In December, so the last three or four months, so we're kind of in the same situation on a renewal. So if the board doesn't want to, the only thing we can tell you at this point is you can direct us to go ahead and immediately start the re-biting process and to do that as quickly as possible. The challenge for us though is we are required to provide medical services to inmates. This is the only contracting mechanism we have available to us. So our recommendation would be to authorize us to renew the contract. And if you're not comfortable with the contractor to direct us to go ahead and re-bid as quickly as possible. I think what Ms. Middleton's trying to say is that that process is at least a 12 month process. Because of the complexity of the contract and what it takes for us to comply with our procurement regulations. Thank you Mr. M Hemistreet, for that, and maybe I can get this answered. My next answer, a little offline, because I want to take up as much time, but we've done this bid before a few times correct. The last time we bid was in 2017. Okay. So, obviously, I know some things have changed, service levels and and regulations and all that stuff but again I can get this question answered offline but why can't we just take what we bid in 2017, make the updates and whatever have you and then get the bid out faster. It just seems to me why is it take that long? Yeah, so I did ask that question earlier today. There's a couple of issues. One is the staff that were involved with the original contract no longer with the county. That's one issue. The second issue is what you just articulated, which is that the services that are provided are a little bit different today. We also I think would want to go back and fully review any changes in laws or regulations that have happened in the last eight years and make sure the RFP is updated to include those. Certainly what we've learned from the board of perspectives that we've received from the board, we may want to take some of those and ensure that they are in the RFP document as well. And so it does take us a little bit of time to redraft the RFP. All right, I'll speak for myself, but I think we, you know, whatever we decide to do, but I would like to possibly put this back out the bid and figure something out. So thank you. Yeah. Chair Randall. Thank you. In general, Ms. Millerton, so you said that they made us aware of them being in bankruptcy. Is that a requirement that if we have a contract and that contract goes in the bankruptcy, then they need to let us know that. Is that how that works? Typically, yes. Is it required for them to let us know that? I don't believe the language is specific in this contract but it goes to responsibility if they think there's going to have anything that's going to potentially affect their ability to perform they should notify us but that language is not specifically listed in our contract at this time. It may not be the worst idea to have that language specifically listed in the contract. If we go bankrupt or if we go into bankruptcy even chapter 11, then we'll let you know. Just in general, it might be a good idea to do that. If the contract was we bid, was we put out again, will path reapply? At this time, they could. And could they win it the second time? Or whatever time? Could they win it again? I think there's always that potential, but I think it really depends on how the RFP is written. What your evaluation criteria is. But it's still possible that they could win it again. Correct. Yeah. In general, do we look at a contractor being in Bankruptcy chapter, even chapter 11 as part of something that we would consider when we're doing a bank process? That is correct. So typically as part of a large RFP process like this, we are going to ask for current financial information to ensure that they are financially sound and have the ability to successfully perform the entire duration of the contract. I understand. Which is why they should tell us if something happened. Do you know when they went into bankruptcy? They told us in December. Do you know when it actually happened? I do not have that information in front of me. Was there a particular thing that let them to let us know they went to bankruptcy or they just called one day and said hey we should know this. No I'm dead serious with this question. I believe that staff was made aware during a public announcement and then we had a meeting shortly thereafter. So they did it was a public announcement and it became see I just I don't I don't believe that's how this should work now. Haven't said that I was chair of Virginia State Board corrections for some time I've worked in and Jell's in prison for a very, very long time. It is so important for people who are in incarcerated settings to have medical care. And I wouldn't want to do anything to interrupt that medical care even for a second. And truthfully, I've always been concerned that the medical care they receive is fairly substandard. Anyway, I'm not saying I'm well-pathed. I'm just saying in general, fairly substandard. So we don't want to do anything that would put anyone at risk or interrupt care. But I do think that it's, I think it's a fair statement to say that there are some red flags with well-path that we may want to kind of address as soon as possible. And so if this were to go back out to bid, they would continue to offer the services while that new bid process happening correct. That is correct. And if they didn't continue to offer those services, it would be a breach of their contract correct. That is correct. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. Well path filed for bankruptcy in November, according to the appeal, halting more than a thousand cases, many by people who say they were harmed by the company's medical abuse and neglect. Not only will this process delay or deny people from getting vital compensation, it could also impact local governments apparently. So it was in November and then maybe there was a public announcement in December. We entered the contract in 2017. That is correct. And did you find out how many people are working? Yes, I did. I was able to confirm that we have 19 contracted personnel that work at our facility. 19 personnel. Okay. Okay. And as far as you know, they're not in violation of their contract with us. That is correct. Okay. So, even though in a 2019 investigation by CNN, which exposed amid a focus of cost containment, the company provided sustained standard care that led to deaths and other serious outcomes that could have been avoided, CNN highlighted deaths and near-death experiences of a number of inmates from around the country that were cared for by well-path, showing how doctors and nurses failed to diagnose and monitor life-th. They were denied urgent emergency room transfers and allowed common infections and conditions to become fatal. In 2023, a group of senators penned a letter expressing concern over growing reports that the company provided negligent care, denied life saving treatments, and other issues that letter started an investigation by Congress that was in 2023. In November 2024 they filed for bankruptcy and according to the appeal like I said they did that to protect themselves. Because now and now we know also that there is a lawsuit in Loudoun County at the ADC from the they had the sheriff named in the lawsuit first and now they have, I don't know what her actual title is, but Deputy Hallway, I'm sure she's higher than Deputy, but she's now named in lawsuit when in fact it was well-path services that allegedly led to someone having to have their foot amputated in our jail. So all of these things, and it's not personal, I'm just saying all of these things can be happening out there and then still not be in violation of their contract for services with Loudoun County. So the only thing I can come in on is a service that they're providing to the county directly. At this time, I'm not aware of them being in any breach of the contract. I am at a high level aware of the recent lawsuit filed related to our facility. But I am not in a position to comment on that in more detail. Okay, okay. And I will ask this question to Mr. Rogers. So first of all, I'm really uncomfortable. And I think my colleagues are fairly uncomfortable as well. Without objection, colleagues, I'd like to just hold this over to our next finance meeting. It won't hurt the timeline according to staff. If we do have to have the renewal happen, which is what staff is telling us. We basically have to renew, otherwise we are in violation of state code in providing these services. But what I would like colleagues is another month to kind of discuss this with staff. And if we approve it in May, or maybe we approve it on contingency or something like that, we can still do it in May. And they will still be able to execute whatever contract we decide, correct? In time, if we hold this over till May. That is correct. Okay, great. I would prefer that actually be a motion so we could support the motion, but so we can speak as we can figure out the issue. Okay, great, sure. I can make that motion. And then it's also not a breach or a violation of Virginia code if the sheriff has received $15,500 in campaign contributions from this company well path. Mr. Rogers can answer that I think. I'm online Madam Chair. That is not a legal conflict of interest under the Virginia Conflict of Interest Act. Okay, so just for my colleagues' edification, the share of received 5,000 on 9,7, 2019, 5,000 on 8,9, 22, 3,000 on 11,8, 2023, I believe the election that year was 11,7, and he received 2,500 on July 25th, 2024, so last year. Well Path is the fifth highest contributor to Sheriff Chapman's campaigns across all the years in filing periods. The fifth highest, well Path has only given to four candidates in Virginia, all were candidates for Sheriff. Joe Barron and Norfolk, Jim O'Sollivan and Chesapeake, Alyssa Gregory in Enrico. And by the way, at least one case in Norfolk against Wellpath is in Norfolk, where that one sheriff is that also received a Wellpath contribution. And that lawsuit is for a deceased inmate and the family has sued after that inmate died of suicide in Norfolk. So strangely enough, that is not a violation of state code either. But again, it makes me very, very uncomfortable. What are our options given the concerns? What are our options to not have this contract as soon as possible or to be contracting with this company as soon as possible. So as I shared, staff is in the process of working on the next RFP process. We do plan to issue that as soon as possible with obviously the goal to have a new contractor selected and a transition plan created well in advance of the end date of the contractor null if so authorized by the committee and the board. Okay and what is the criteria for doing an emergency procurement? Typically an emergency procurement would happen when there's a threat to life or safety. On occasion we do have to enter into emergency contracts when there is a contractor default. We've had to have that, we've had that occur to us on occasion over the years. Okay. And would it, if this board were to decide not to do the additional to your option and vote against that to your option, would that trigger an emergency RFP contracting process? I would want to consult with the county attorney's office. Okay. Colleagues, I'll make a motion. Is that okay and you can comment in the motion? Did you already have questions? Yeah, I did. Okay, your mic's on, you know. Okay. I move that the finance committee table this item until it's May monthly meeting. You don't have to table the item. You can just make a motion to move the item to the May meeting. I move that we move the item to our May Finance meeting. Second. Thank you. So I think that we've, you know, pretty much talked about the concerns, at least my concerns that I have in renewing this contract. You know, unfortunately this contract was started in 2017. It was renewed in 1921 and 23. But we were just recently made aware of some of the issues with well path across the country and some of the other, while not illegal, maybe unethical issues that we have with this company contracting with our county. So I would like us to take the next month to have more conversations with staff to see how quickly we can move forward with a different provider. Thank you. Supervisor Luterno. Thank you. I will support the motion and I do have concerns. I do think we need to be careful. I understand I appreciate the chair pulling this off and bringing this forward. But there is no evidence that this company or the sheriff in Loudon County did anything wrong or improper whatsoever. Correct? That is correct. Okay, so let's focus on the broader concern here and not insinuate that there is something improper that happened here. However, the fact is the companies in bankruptcy, the CEO of the company had to resign and was, I believe, charged with some sort of crime. So that's a concern, broadly, that's a concern. It would be a concern for me in any circumstance. We dealt with other companies and other situations that have had bankruptcy issues and it hasn't gone well for us. So I understand in this particular situation, I'm not sure we're going to have any other options based on what you've described in the situation we have with these particular services. But nevertheless, it's worth taking some time to fully understand this. At the very least, my hope is that by raising this concern, we will ensure that the contract will be performed to the best of its the providers ability and I think we should certainly be preparing for Another open RFP process whenever it's feasible to do that so for those reasons I will support moving us forward Keeping us in the committee for further discussion and may thank you Thank you supervisor. I'm still thank you madam chair I I tend to agree with a supervisor, let her know on this. Question for staff. The sheriff does not have the authority to let the contract. That's the board's authority. Is that accurate? That is correct. So pursuing to the procurement resolution, excuse me, because it's a dollar value, it does require a finance committee in board approval. Okay. So what we're kind of between Iraq and a hard place because what I'm concerned about is, wellfold. If this company has been doing a credible job in Loudoun County, then that makes me satisfied that here at least they're doing a fine job. So I don't want to attribute to their conduct in Loudon County various stories about things that happen elsewhere. But the other thing that concerns me, and this may be more important, if they're doing a good job in our jail is I don't want the inmates. I don't want the inmates to be without services that they may find valuable. And I don't want us to be in violation of the law by not providing those services. So I will certainly support the motion. And then if you have any other information you want to share with the board or the committee, you know where to find us. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Saints. Thank you. Yeah, I'll support the motion and actually it'll be a little bit more pointed if, you know, for staff to come back kind of to the questioning earlier if we decide not to renew the renewal. Can staff come back with what the plan would be? How do we execute that? Also, to Rosaram's point, I think Mr. Chair, Brisbane brought this up. Can you find out for sure if there are actually lawsuits from folks that were in the detention center, they're part of their programming. There's any lawsuits that are actually here from Loudoun Residents or folks that have been in the detention center if you can know that for sure or not. But of course, yes, we wanna make sure we're covering everything, make sure the services are being provided while we go through this period. Cause of course we don want to break any laws or cells or anything of that nature so those are what I'll be looking for to for the staff to come back with. Thank you. Thank you Chair Randall. So thank you with respect to my colleagues it does not make one wit of difference if something happened in our jail that doesn't matter. If the policies and practice of this company or policies and practice that has seen issues in many other facilities, then the fact that it has or has not happened in our jail is inconsequential because it's the policies and practices of the facilities. I know this because I was the chair of the Jane State Board of Corrections for a long time. So that doesn't matter at all. And quite frankly, the bankruptcy is a concern. But I am way less concerned about the bankruptcy than I am about the lawsuits. And I get it. A lot of times, people will be surprised how many inmates are really smart and can become kind of jail attorneys and can write, I get that. But that doesn't mean they're always wrong, right? It doesn't mean they're always wrong. And there are times that because they are inmates, what I was my experience over years is that the ones that actually make it out of a jail and make it into a courtroom are the most egregious incidents. It's usually something much worse, many things that have been much worse have happened in that jail before it ever makes it out. And so I am, yeah, the bankruptcy is something we should talk about, no, and maybe we should make sure that that's something that we demand that they tell us in the future. But I am concerned about the incidents. I am concerned about the policies and procedures of a company that would have that many incidents, whether or not it's actually hit the county or not, that makes no difference whatsoever. Has there been any incidents in the county? Has there been any reports? Mr. Rogers, do you know that? I do not. I'm unaware of any except the one lawsuit that was filed. Okay, well, okay. Yeah, there we go, see, okay. So, kind of, and I knew that answer actually. So point made, I missed your hymnstery, and one reason I like keeping this in this committee, Mr. Himstreet, a couple of weeks ago when we were in T-Lock, this was the nice part of being on both committees. And we were talking about housing authority. And the comment you made, and I'm not going to say it correctly, so please feel free to correct me, is that there are times when you can, when we can kind of contract with enough. And I'm not going to say it correctly, so please feel free to correct me, is that there are times when you can, when we can kind of contract with another housing authority to do some of the work in Loudoun County. Is that not true for a contract like this? If we have found that Well Path is not a company we want to keep using, because of all the incidents. Is it not possible to do a short term contract with another company until we have time to re-bid the contract? So I'll answer that, but I'm also going to defer to Mr. Rogers on that. Okay. I think the difference there with a housing authority is we're not required to compete that as a service because it's related to real estate. Okay. This is a service which is a commodity that we are required to compete. Whether or not we can contract through another local jurisdiction for the support of the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. I would like to thank the committee. an act. Okay. And yeah, I these public services. This would be done under the Procurement Act. Okay. And yeah, I just don't think you would be able to do that. I understand. Thank you for that answer. Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair. So just one more question for staff. How would staff become aware if there were incidents at the jail? Besides a lawsuit in terms of just general performance issues. So no, no. So for example, if something happened to an inmate, not just general performance issues of well path, but what if something were to happen to an inmate, where the inmate's injured, given wrong medication, something like that, how do we find out about that? I would have to defer to the Sheriff's Office. Let me help with that one. So the procurement staff would not become aware of that. The Sheriff's Office would report that and that report actually goes down to the State Board of Corrections. So the the state board of corrections knows all the incidents that are should know, all the incidents that are happening in any local jail. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, so yeah. I thank you colleagues for letting this stay in committee. As you can see, we all have a lot of questions about this. And we have to, as board members, disclose any meetings we have with anybody from Bowman or oroolie or toll brothers or anything like that. And of course, you are obligated as a candidate to report your contributions. And I can guarantee that if one of us were to be taking $15,000, $20,000 from one of those organizations that we would be called out for it, whether it's illegal or not. So I continue to be very uncomfortable about that, but I am probably more uncomfortable about thousands of cases, up to a thousand cases across the country with this organization and the lawsuits and the bankruptcy, which apparently is just to protect them from having to pay out on the lawsuits. So I look forward to more conversations with staff and researching any other information that we can find out before we decide. Hopefully there is a way to mitigate our concerns, perhaps have a shorter contract, perhaps do some find a way to do an emergency procurement or something like that. So this gives us a good amount of time to work on it. Thank you. So motion made and seconded. Any, everyone in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Okay. That motion carries five zero. Colleagues, can we do one more item? Okay. Last item, number 19. Oh. Thank you. Do you guys have a presentation? We should do. Okay. Oh boy. Okay. Okay. Good evening chair. I'm Bruce Kerman and committee members to my immediate right. We have Dr. Meagan Cox from the Department of Finance and procurement. And to my immediate left, we have our partners, the SCNH group, our internal audit contractors. We have Ms. Lindsay Puchio. We have Mr. Matt Simmons. And then we have Mr. Hayden Wiggly. So you see that the slides are up and SCNH team will go ahead and proceed with the presentation. Thank you, George. Good evening, committee members. Mr. Hemstreet. As George mentioned, my name is Matt Simon. I'm a principal here at SCNH Group. Again, we're the county's co-sourced internal audit service provider. I'm here with my colleagues, Lindsay Pucho, and Hayden Wiggly. Tonight we're here to present the results of the county's internal audit risk assessment, and it's resulting multi-year internal audit plan. So these two items represent core steps, I'd say, in the county's re-invisioned internal audit program, an issue of which is currently underway. It's a long-term plan looking forward. Our presentation tonight will be quick and we'll focus on three core areas. One, being how the county has redefined the internal audit program. That's going to lead into the risk assessment process, which will include a summary of the multitude of activities that our team and the county actually performed will then present the multi-year internal audit plan as it stands right now. So first what are the county's goals with the program and what is the county doing what is the county trying to achieve with this new internal audit program as someone who's in the profession for quite a while it's important to emphasize that internal audit should be more than just compliance, right? It's a risk mitigating function and it's a value added results driven function serving the organization, the county, as well as the stakeholders involved in it. It should be seen as a resource to the county, to the organization, and also serve as an independent and objective partnership with those that we work with. As an internal audit, an internal auditor, this has been a really exciting process for us and our profession. We're working on an approach that we see that the county is very forward looking forward driven and looking at really a new age of internal audit and what we're doing. So to evidence what the county's vision is, look at two and consider two categories up here in the slide deck. One being broadening the benefits of internal audit and also enhancing the customer collaboration. So what does this mean and really what what are some examples, right? So broadening benefits are really moving away from the traditional thought process of internal audit of a compliance function, of policing function, of the I got you mentality, and really serving to help the county, right? So yes, internal audit will always mitigate press trade. That That's first and foremost, but we're here to help enhance operations and help enhance programs looking for effectiveness from a control standpoint, from an operational standpoint, from an efficiencies standpoint. We're here to look at governance and help with governance, not just simply looking at transactions and testing, cash transactions, we are here to help recommendations and help guide strategic visions within the county and certain programs within them. We're also here. We can help recover funds. We look at a variety of different compliance driven activities, contracts, and look at areas where there might have been overspending that, you know, are out of reach of, you know, what program staff are capable of looking at or at the time to look at and we can help recover them and get money back into the hands of the county as well as the citizens. Of course, internal law is always going to address fraud, waste and abuse. That's, you know, it's a precipice of what we do. And what we'd like to do also is, you know, align with strategies in the industry. What is the internal law to profession focusing on? What trends, where are the risks in the industry, but also in other state and local governments where we work with and that we're familiar with. The second part is collaboration, right? So collaboration is key. Internal audit does not want to be perceived as a negative component or operation rather than a partner, right? It wants to be a partner to help, to help serve the county and also help serve the public's best interest. We want to work to support the organization from, like I said before, a strategic level, but also from a functional level, so macro to micro level view. You can see on the board, you know, we want to develop these independent partnerships where we feel free and we're comfortable working with an external stakeholder when we're conducting audits, working with them to helping them, but able to show our opinion with an unbiased view. We want to encourage positive change, not everything department's programs operations are doing are negative. And with our experience, we want to be able to promote and encourage ways to look at things differently and help them from a risk mitigated and positive efficient standpoint We want to be able to evaluate and address their concerns A goal of an internal audit program is to have Departments come to you with concerns. We have a concern about something internal and it can apply their methods to approach them and help confirm those. And then lastly is really supporting recommendations and we're going to say that this internal audit program here is going beyond the periodic check of findings to see if management is implementing them. This internal audit program is in an ideal position to help support those changes and help support those recommendations providing guidance Along the way with those recommendations. So it's just one more example how the county's really been forward looking in the programs really pushing forward on this So that's the goals. I'm gonna hand it over to Lindsey who's gonna provide you with a summary of the risk assessment process Sure, so thank you all for meeting with us tonight as Matt mentioned We kind of wanted to provide you with an overview of the process because this was a very large effort and we'd be remiss if we didn't give credit to George and his team as well as to all of the members of the county who we met with, who we reached out to throughout this process. So this was a three phase process, that first phase being a planning phase, and really what that consisted of was socializing and refamiliarizing everybody within the county with what internal audit is. There can be misconceptions of it, so we really wanted to, to Matt's point, ensure that we were highlighting the benefits of what this function is going to be able to provide to the county going forward. That consisted of also providing three separate training sessions to county stakeholders. We had 94 participants who were involved in that and that was different members of management and that was really just providing information to them at the beginning of this process so that they knew what to expect. The second phase was really where we did the bulk of our work which was our process and risk identification so we broke that out into a few different sub areas, sub tasks that we were working on. The first being interviewing county leaders as well as members of the county administrator's office. We really wanted to ensure that we were getting an understanding of the programs, the activities, the functions that are going on county-wide and within individual departments so that we really got an understanding of where the risk was and where an internal audit could benefit the county going further. We didn't have all the time in the world so we could only interview 52 people but then We did also issue a survey out to a population of almost a thousand other county stakeholders. Those were supervisors and above within all of the county departments. We had 240 responses and that's fairly decent considering the number of people that received this survey. So all of that information was very valuable when we started looking at and analyzing the risk that was included within this process. The next was really risk compilation, so taking all of that information gathering that we did at the forefront of this was really kind of breaking it down and looking at it in those risk factors. So we measure risk on impact in likelihood and we have provided you with the 12 risk factors that we evaluated programs on this slide but really to kind of hone in on all of this information, it was that information gathering and then evaluating the risk factors across the five core-cut, five county functions within all of the departments which ultimately resulted in 141 functions that we are considering potential audit areas. Those were further broken down into other activities that rolled up into those functions, but it's really taking it from that macro level and driving down into the micro level as well. So then moving on to kind of the analysis piece of this, you're gonna recognize and see that there was a lot of data because now... So then moving on to kind of the analysis piece of this, you're going to recognize and see that there was a lot of data because not only were we accumulating data from you all within the county, we were also doing our own research, we were looking at budget information, we were looking at staffing industry best practices, hot topics, looking at policies and procedures, we really were kind of digging into everything. We had about 6,000 data points as a result of all of this. So we utilized Microsoft Co-Pilot, which is an AI system to kind of help analyze, summarize all of this information because it was quite a bit to sift through. Ranked all of those risks within the risk universe and then we're able to determine a risk ranking of high moderate or low for each one of those audit areas. And this is kind of a baseline, right? This is a dynamic exercise. So what we were ranking things this year, once we get more information, once audits are conducted, we'll be able to take what we're calling that inherent risk, which is that initial evaluation and measure the residual risk within those functions and update this plan year over year. Again, Hayden's going to touch on the specific audit center within the audit plan in a moment, but really kind of all of the culmination, the analyzing of that information resulted in the audit plan that's been presented to you all. We did identify 37 potential audits to be considered to be included within the plan. We're going to talk to you about nine of them. But really those are just those areas that rose to those higher levels of risk that we saw within the county. And then those were discussed with the team here. The plan was developed and that's how we're moving forward for the next two years. So this kind of moves into our last phase, which is reporting, which is really kind of us aggregating all of this, reporting on it, finalizing the plan and presenting it to you all today. All righty, thank you for your time this evening. So just touching on both Fiscal Year 26 and 27 as it relates to the nine audits selected for over the next two fiscal years, I'll jump right into Fiscal Year 26 where we start with procurement year one scoping exercise. So this is really looking at the overall procurement process, identifying critical milestones, controls, risks, and potential gaps in the overall process. This exercise in year one provides initial recommendations or areas to review that show potential improvement, which would then be followed up on in the year 2 field work, which I'll touch on in a second. The second audit in fiscal year 26 is a County Administrative Policy and Procedures Review. This is assessing the design and operating effectiveness of the policies and procedures at the county. This is not solely focused on policies and procedures that are coming out of the county administrator's office, but policies and procedures that originate in multiple departments and affect the county in a wide scale way. Examples of this are procurement HR policies, IT and communication type policies. The third is the Loudoun County Health Department. So taking a specific look at the design and operating effectiveness of training requirements. Focusing on training for services provided, qualifications maintained, monitoring and reporting for compliance purposes. The fourth and final audit of fiscal year 26 would be the affordable multifamily home loan program, looking at compliance. So evaluating the county's compliance with these program requirements based on approved policies, procedures, guidelines, SOPs, identifying the current controls, potential risk gaps, and providing enhancement opportunities to the program. Then we move into fiscal year 27, so touching again on the procurement exercise. This would be the year to field work. So based on the results in year one, it would be identifying departments, programs, specific procurement types and operations that we want to go into depth into that transactional review of potential procurement exercises at the county. The second would be the Housing Choice Fouture program, again looking at the county's compliance with program requirements based on approved policies, procedures, SOPs, guidelines, again, identifying controls, potential risks and gaps, and providing recommendations for process improvement, enhancements, and risk mitigation. Similarly, this next one's a bit of a mouthful. The down payment closing cost assistance program, public employee, home ownership compliance. So again, looking at the county's compliance with those programs, based on policies and procedures, guidelines, SOPs, again, identifying controls, potential risks, gaps, and enhancement opportunities. And then finally, we wrap up fiscal year 27 with two IT audits. So we would be looking at disaster recovery, the design and the operating effectiveness of the current plan, looking at annual testing, business continuity efforts, and business impact analysis if threats were to occur. And finally, a network assessment of the design and operating effectiveness of network security processes. This will look at two aspects, policy and procedure-based awareness and training, but as well as more device level security, so encryption, firewalls, penetration testing, and vulnerability management. I know that's very quick through the program. Any initial questions from the commission? Thank you. Did you guys introduce yourselves? Okay, okay, I'm just sorry. Any questions from my colleagues? Supervisor Sains? Thank you, Chair Brisbane. Thank you for the presentation and the work on this. So you made the recommendations for, I think go back to your slide that had fiscal year 2727 listed. Keep going. There we go. Right. So, is there any, were there any reasons why you picked one item to go on 26, one to go on 27, was there any urgency or there was just kind of just a random selection? I wouldn't call it random, but I would say it was based on a multitude of factors of where we think the county could benefit from a macro level standpoint, then focusing in on some more targeted areas, which is one of the reasons why we kicked it off with procurement, because even though it's a two year audit, you'll still get a a lot of benefit from accounting and risk standpoint in year one that other departments and programs operations can benefit from risk mitigation. Same thing with policies and procedures, they can really help the organization outside of just specific targeted areas. And that kind of led into some more specific targeted areas following them. So there wasn't, you know, this has to get done now. Because if that was the case, it probably would have been number one. Number one procurement, okay, but everything else is equally, but kind of just spread it apart. All right, so would it give you guys any heartburn? Because if you look, you have five items for 27 and only four for 26. So hypothetical, thinking. If we were to move the housing choice voucher to 26, and then they'll put five over here on 26 and then four on 27. That gives you guys any heartburn if we were to do that or. No. No, no, no, that would be fine. Okay, and the reason for my colleagues, I'll just say it now, is we've had some issue with now no fall of our own, but we had some issues over the summer with the housing choice voucher program from the federal side. We know we need to give out these vouchers it's working, but we probably could do better. So this is why I was like, well, maybe we can get this audit done a little bit faster for for the housing voucher program and see what else we can do to improve the program now. So that's why I'm proposing, to say it, I'm proposing to actually instead of flipping, because originally it's going to flip the multi-family with the housing choice voucher. We're looking at it, like if I see five here or four here, and if you're saying it doesn't matter that're both moderate like just move the vouch Choice or to 26 to get it done faster so when the time comes madam chair I like to make that motion if we if we when the time comes For my colleagues will support Okay, supervisor Licherno. Yeah, so I'll ask the question. That's kind of relates that then so the only concern I would have with that is the multi-family home loan program compliance has a lot more money, especially local money associated with it, right? Okay, somebody has to say something. Yes, that's correct. That's correct. There's about $17 million in the multi-family home loan program. Correct. Yeah Yeah, but these and it was listed as medium risk. That's correct. And what about the housing choice voucher compliance for also medium risk rate? Also, my right. But was there a reason why staff put that first? So the affordable multi-family home loan program compliance was moved first because of the recent item that we bought on the Avley to phase where we wanted to make sure that the board wanted to make sure that there were financial protections as part of that one of the items was to do an internal audit. Okay, so I get where my colleague is coming, but I don't know what I want to. Well, okay. Okay. It's not the same as your motion here. Yeah, so. Hey. All right, I guess we'll have this, will this be handled with a separate motion so we can debate it? We're gonna do that alternate motion first, yeah. Okay, all right, I'll stop then and we can talk more in that one. Yeah, I should have done the motion in first, but go ahead, Madam Chair. First of all, thank you, Madam Chair. So I think Mr. Wiggly, is that your last name? No, then it wasn't, it was Mr. Simmons. Okay, I always love it when when accountants and auditors go like, I'm so excited about this because you're excited about something that nobody else in the world So you're like I'm excited to do this internal audit So I just I always love that and I always say with with lots of Respect it, you know the things that excite you were all other nerdiest things in the world, but good for you all Kind of to my my colleagues questions I think that every other department So the health department the administrative department every department you're doing as a department But when it came to the housing and community the housing community department you did it in and in three separate sections It and when I that was the first thing to jump out to me is like why are they why are you why are you did it in three separate sections. That was the first thing that jumped out to me is why are you breaking up three separate sections in one department? You didn't do that in any other department. Isn't just because what's in that department, it's just so complicated that you just can't do the whole department at one time. So that is correct, you're random. When you look at that department, there's about six to seven programs, separate programs. And so that becomes a functional baseline that you want to look at from an internal audit perspective versus the whole entire department. I mean, when you look at housing choice vouchers, when you look at affordable multi-family home program, when you look at the community development block grant program, home partnership program, I mean I can go on and on and on. Each of them have some level of functionality, you know, federal, state, local, cited by the board. And then of course procedures, financing, sourcing. So you have to break that out. It will take an amount of resources and time to look at it at a department level. It's interesting because I always have more questions, new questions, and things I thought I understood, but I didn't really understand about the housing community development department. And that kind of explains why. It's a pretty complicated. A lot of things sitting at the department that are fairly complicated. So yeah, no, that was the first thing to jump down at me. And the order, I had the same question Mr. Eternal had, but I also figured you all had a reason for that. So I appreciate it, appreciate all you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I don't think I have any questions. Just thank goodness that we have people like you watching and doing these things. I think I had to do some of this business process analysis when I was getting my MBA and clearly it was not my forte. But I'm looking forward to the information as it comes. We'll go to a motion now. Go ahead. Thank you Madam Chair. All right I'll make my, I guess with big two motions I guess we'll see. Right I'm with the Finance Government Operations Economic Development Committee recommend that the Board of Supervisors direct staff to relocate the housing choice voucher compliance from fiscal year 2027 to fiscal year 2026 item number five. And I further move that the finance government operations economic development committee recommend that the board supervises approve the fiscal year with the edit. The fiscal year 2026 fiscal year 2027 internal audit plan as amended And direct staff to conduct the fiscal year 2026 internal audits I guess I'll second for discussion So again what I'm proposing is and if anyone wants to help me make them clear the clarify the motion is I'm just asking to move The housing choice voucher compliance from the fiscal year 27 list to the fiscal year 26 list Number five and then we prove what's approved the package after that Supervisor attorney Well, I would you want to clarify and make sure you're the ray understand the motion and then again the, the reason why I ask for the move the vouching from 27 to 26 is because the justice past summer we had issues again, there was no fault of our own, but we had issues with the housing choice voucher program, it was held up. And I feel having the audit done now, maybe you can find some improvements, we can expand the funding that we have in that program faster than what we're currently doing it now. So for clarity, sake, Supervisor Sains just wants to have the housing choice voucher compliance added to fiscal year 26 and that's the only change. Correct. I'm not changing anything on the list. We'll have five and twenty, well, we'll really have four because number one's a sc is scoping. We'll have 4 and 26 and 4 and 27. It'll be 5. 5 and 27. Sorry. No. 5 and 26. 4 and 27. That's what I was saying. Madam Chair, I'm sorry. Supervisor Litterno. That's fine. Can you guys do all five of those in FY26? If you could, why didn't you do that in the first place? The planning from the department is really from a two to three per year audit because we're just established the internal audit capability. We would have to complement teammate and team work with the SCNH group as well in order to determine if we can meet all five if that motion is taken. So you don't know if you can add? But what we would do is we would prioritize, we would have to prioritize those that are more sensitive to the board, of course. So for example, procurement, we would move up the housing choice vouchers since that motion was placed if the committee and board so choose. And then of course we will still look at probably the health. All right. Can I suggest a friendly amendment to the residents then, which is that, I don't know if it's a friendly, but it's essentially more of a substitute. But it's that the housing choice vote your compliance be the next audit done after the Affordable Multi-Family Home Program compliance. That way, if it's not actually in 26, because your motion makes them do it in 26, because it just told us they don't know if they can do that. So. Can I ask a clarifying question to the air question? Sure. Because 27 has five and you have two from housing on mayor. I agree with you. And if you remove housing to 26, that puts five onto 26, then four on 27. So what's the difference between doing five and 27 and doing five and 26? And then two from the housing if it is affordable and the housing board choice file chart number five. So we would just prioritize what the committee and the board want us to prioritize on that list from one to five. If you move the housing choice voucher to number five to the list. So Mr. Lutern return of yes, I'm fine with that because it's going to go on at number five. So you have one recruitment to county administrative policies, three lab and health, four affordable multi-family and five housing choice voucher. Well, that doesn't necessarily put it in fiscal year 26 though. Exactly. It just makes it the fifth priority. That's what my amendment would do. That's what his amendment is doing. That's fine. Yeah. Okay, all right, he's good with it. All right. So just point of clarification. So we're saying that you're going to move the housing, for choice voucher compliance after the affordable multi-family home loan a Affordable Multi-Family Home Loan Program Compliance, and it will stay in 27. Well, it'll just be done next. This is what they really can do. But it'll be done next, and if it's 27, it's 27. Is that what we're saying? That's what we're saying. That's what we're saying. Okay, that's it. Can't support that. Okay, great. I don't have any comments. Motion is made in second at all in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Can support that. Okay, great. I don't have any comments. Motion's made in second at all in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that motion will carry 50 and I think that's it guys, with no further business. I call the finance meeting adjourned. Woo!