We have to take some tops out of here. Sarah said she had to call because of a family health thing. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to work with Greenlight. We're going to do the actual DQs for actually just starting. Perfect timing. I'm going to show the door. Yeah, sure. Okay. I don't know why. On the meeting order. I started with a roll call sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm go. Get them in. It's from last time. We'll wait back in July. And. Fair enough. And. And. We'll go. I won't know. I will know that Hannah Jordan's name is been spelled correctly. She's not here at a few for self, but I mean you might be. Now it's spelled correctly. Oh, really? Oh, I did. Despite to be in every word. Everyone loves family. It's great because then at the when it's like spring and like I sure do before yeah you can go back here. But you know what you guys do when it's short in or less just let me know. I'll just make a quick note guys. I'll go into your packet. There's the agenda for the seven clots. As well. I move you approving it. or the seven class. I move you approving it. The second. It's not a cigarette. Man for groups. Good. I have four public comments. There are no members of the public here right now. Part of the commission. Um, we did get into that to the tone of the team. Um, I thought it was, it was directed. At the comment from the, I mean, should I share it or, I think it was just like, a comment that you wanted to communicate to to Lager. Oh, I thought it was something that you wanted to provide feedback on. Like, I think that's right. Well, I think it was like the question he had at the last incident two months ago. It was a question he had at the last meeting. Jean was responding to that question. Yeah. Yeah, maybe it's, I guess it's public comment is a thought. Do you guys letting a council do you guys agree? They read out the written public comments? The clerk reads like a summary of them. Okay. Like somebody's only provided this public comment, it was about X, Y, Z, but not the full text that took the email to all those. Sorry. Okay. I think he basically comments had to do with whether like the ROI is really strong enough. There is a tip tip that didn't really that positive. You know, there are, you know, is the positive, the positive assumptions about RRI or they built on like interest rate assumptions that are particularly realistic. So that was entered into the Plenty Commission public comments yet last night. Okay. Well, you may have made a public comment to both be a fan to see something you know that's a good and he and he actually referenced me, I think, and I was. I made that comment about ROI. But I wasn't sure if I did it in this meeting or I did it in that joint meeting that we had with city council. I think I may well, well, in the last of the reasons we had Jack trying to kind of give an update or initial comment section for accessory rolling in. Yeah. So I believe that's when you brought that up. And the other thing is I asked that question because it doesn't seem to be as a minute, which we just approved. But I don't see that my question about ROI in the minutes. Unless I missed it, but I was just going on now. I think I mean the main thing is this is James public comment so he doesn't have to have. Yeah, but since it was a public comment and I also made that comment during the meeting, maybe can we add that to the news? So, the origin of home answer. I can go back to my mouth. This will be the future. Well, I had asked for an evaluation. I've been asked that you're actually a thoughtful over-the-under benefits. Robert asked about comments on the return of the investment. Oh, OK. OK. There you go. And you'll see. You're very thorough. Thank you. You're a better student than me. OK. Well, that's good. We got it. All right. Comment on it. Yes. Minutes approved. Yeah. All right. So yeah, you basically was just saying there's some, he had some questions about you. So, I'm just, you know, appreciate our thoughts. I think that's our public comments. So, germinated by APS updates. Or then end here. Sure, which one do you want to hear about first? I don't know first, mine's... Oh, I mean, which is the most... Please. All right. I have this minus quick, nor I mean, so I just want to give an update on my already used. So I'm working getting lots of units getting filled and for the Washington, the only downside for that properties we do not have any one vengeance and a lot of people are not probably wanting to are waiting for one vengeance units. So hopefully with the older, that is the name of the the property is going to be a progress false project. They are hopeful to start getting their CEOs in mid-October, but I'm waiting until they actually have their CEOs in hand before I start a contact with clients because at a previous property, I learned a hard way that when I tell clients, this is a specific date, and then they give notices, and then they are delays, then it just causes so much issues. So I'm just waiting until they have that done. I have actually threw priority too, so which is great thing that I'm also in the commission, like you guys are trying to get people in the city. So I'm going now, I'm going to start from next week, start reaching out to clients on priority three. So we still have some units to rent at the broth on Washington. What has been difficult is that 80% studio units and just a little personal comments in the future when we're negotiating, I don't think it's really a good idea to have studios at 80% because they're very difficult for rent because the rent for 80% studios is 1825. And with the size, a lot of people that are reached out that are at that income level, they do not want the studio to pay that price for such a small space. So I want to see I'm going to reach out to priority three. Like I said, this is just the one I have reached out to. And for anyone in two, I'm just sitting there like, I'll just wait for the order to open up. So just want you to know, this is the thing, this is the first time out the leading years that we have been to priority grade. I've been here for two and a half years and I have not touched priority grade. So not within flexible units. So we're going to get some people coming into the city for priority grade. And a lot of people we have calling because they're seeing the ads at the new buildings reaching out are people that are outside of the city. So the wait list is building, but most of the people that are outside of the city will want to be coming within your buildings that we have. So what's the income limit for 80% of our mind? I'm going to choose for a one person is the maximum is 8632 and let's say two people in my eyes, that's the like a weak broadcasting that there's potential availability like in our schools or yeah I've done as in the school they've done their farm research they have what they don't do the thing is it's only studios and they don't want the studio and new teachers that are I will tell you mine my wife's a future and's a student. She's an area of these tasks. And it's pretty well. You're doing pretty good job. Yeah, I've done as to the ball. Search news press. We've done for a group of oral health programs. I advertise in school on their bulletin and they think we did the fair. I've been doing outreach. I went to church. And so I've been trying to be a professor at Kaiser. I've never reached out to Kaiser. There's something like TPM people that work in the area like who's 20 but who's willing to live in a studio like and my mind is someone who's in their The very first ones are going. Yeah, because we have lots of people who are lower so, lower AMI, and they've been waiting for like a really long time, like this is our first time we have 40%. So, the 40% ones are good, it's just the 80% ones that's the biggest. I think there's also timing shoot because if you're a teacher, you probably sign the lease and you're not having a long time. I think that when I was, I feel like a studio is a pop that has been awesome stuff from having a roommate to being able to be at studio buyers. I was like, I remember thinking about it, do that. That was amazing. But I was in DC and getting a place that was like an affordable one bedroom was going to be so far away. But here you can really just go like five minutes and Things are cheaper. Yeah, well, I will say we scored a couple of the Studios over at Rod Washington. They're like unbelievable. It's so nice. They're small, but like that memories Yeah, it is like a higher class even for That yeah class even for for the building. Yeah, but hopefully we'll get some people who want to move into the city who are higher in Gauntz, for getting to come in and give them so next meeting, we have to have a great update for that. But just for a second, we'll be three. So I'm sorry, three of people that I'll pass this thing. You know, so sorry, I'm just talking and I think in background. So we have a wait list that we were come together or for units built and we do it based on priority. So priority one of those that are 62 of disabled or in the city priority two of those that are working or living in the city of priority three or everyone else who outside of the city, priority two, those that are working on living in the city, priority three, or everyone else who else has the city. That's the message. I mean, people are away with that. Ooh, I've been cleaning it up because a lot of people are like a lot of people tell me they moved out. I don't have the number for you, but I can always get an instant email. 494. So do you think it's just like the specifics of broad lodging and 80% because I know the past, there's been two bedrooms and studios that we have the most in the room. So we have two bedrooms there, 60% those ones are going because a lot of people have been waiting. The thing is we have like especially people that are working in the city, it's more like single people, when I say single, I mean one person household that are looking for one bedroom. So like when I reach out, we have a lot of people from the city who work in the city that are waiting and what the one bedroom. So I think the issue is that I really do not have any one that you're there at that property. So it does seem like a very, like a man shift. Yes. I think it just depends on what's going on at the time. Yeah. So two bedrooms. And I can say that the room is at 40%. It's just the ones I use for that. All right. So yeah. So everybody's like, we're in the one bedroom. So that's where all the, yeah. Do you think if the studios were at 60%, do you think they would be getting those? Maybe what the thing is, if people who are at the AMI level, they just prefer a one bedroom. So then they ask, would we be getting any more bedroom? They'd be like, OK, I'll just wait. So I so I think a lot of them you know they want to wait until they just have the preference so always you know yeah with them know what we have available because they always ask you know oh I know what the next thing we're gonna have one bench and something else we will do we like a lot just wait you know of course there's no guarantee they would you that you would get something but yeah. All right, why don't you, like 60% or 80% what do you mean? So, yeah, sorry. So, we do you're quick. So, holding an over-and-development, they release the area medium income for each area. So, we are likely to be state, Virginia metropolitan area. So, we use that specific AMI or area medium income. So, for the city it is 150,000, 700. That is the area medium income for this area of false church. So what we do is we take percentages of that to determine based on the units that we have available what the cap is the income level is. So when I say for example 40%, the maximum someone can make one person's like 42,000 dollars. So we just caps the income level for each of the pet with you that we have. We have, I mean, out of the 33 units at Broad Washington, how many of them have we have? to get across three buildings. I heard that it was 99 units. 99. So we're going to have 33 at the, we have 19 and those are two bedrooms and the studios have 40. Are you waiting on one bedroom? Yeah, we do not have one bedroom set that property. One that is the older one. Yeah, it's going to be at the West Falls. So we don't have any one bedroom. And we have 32 minutes coming in. 32 separate spots. So they all went up. So they're going to be just studios, one bedroom to two bedrooms. And also when I send everyone over, not everyone gets approved for whatever reason, because they still have to meet the property screening. So sometimes for credit, not everyone gets approved. So, so these are based on who has been approved at the property. So if I remember how the schedule needed to be correctly run Washington's project, the first project where 10% of the units are available for us. Yes, we have 10%. So we're calling 330. Yes. And then 6% at all the rounders to 12%. Yeah, so from those two, we're gonna have 34 units. They're gonna have one in two, they're no studios, so the rest falls, we'll have studios one in two at 60% and from those room two, we're gonna have 34 units, one in two victims at 40, 60 and eight. 99 units, when there's 500 people on the way, it's just 20 is pretty good. Yeah, yeah. And lots of people are already on leases. They've been like, you know, we've been waiting for so long already, you know, so like I keep notes, so I know when the new properties open up, I know when people leases are ending, so I can, you know, it's very hot. And I'm sure you're doing this, but for those studio units, reaching out to the senior community as much as to the young people. Yeah, so the seniors that are on the list are also priority one. So they get the first preference for the units. So those are the ones that I reach out to first. Okay. Yeah. That's one for me. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. to a A-COP, to a third party. We have most of our reprimals for our money for that project, which is great. We're free to find other units, go back to the market with the funds that we had added in that unit, which is great. And we took minimal loss. We got those that we didn't get the funds that we couldn't sell, through standard financing for a period of time. So fantastic news on that. We have closed, let's see, most recently on the three bedroom. One of the three bedrooms. So right now we have two minutes left. We have a one bedroom that we purchased. Actually, we might have purchased it since last week's spoke, but we are looking to sell that one. And then we have another three bedroom that we're looking to sell or sell in process to find somebody who are working through the list. So actually, I think we might have spoken everybody on the list at this point. So we have to just keep a look at it. Keep an eye out for people who might be there today, fantastic unit. It's through bedrooms. It's a little on the small side, but it's like a great little house. And it's like right across the street, basically from city hall. It's like practical behind the Harris-Peter. Or at least, sorry, across the street from the Falls, the Republican-P�, the spot. I think it's a little bit of a big deal. I think it's a little bit of a big deal. behind the Harris-Keyer. Or at least, sorry, across the street from the Falls, barbecue spots. Yeah. So that programs went pretty well. The only issue is there's not a lot of homes for sale right now. We did get word today actually of a single family house that went for sale. Oh, I should also mention that there was a single family house that we looked at before we went back. We decided not to be forwarded because we thought it would probably be too expensive and we'd cost too much to rehab it to get to a place where we could resell it for and they had it like affordable cost price. We looked at one today that we thought, so it might be time out of the price range, but I actually wanted to talk as well as about, I think, behind. So let me just go ahead and share my screen of questions. I don't think I actually look good nice. Right. Just like that. Hey. Sorry. So this is on Bryce Street and I just double check. Sorry guys. Let's try this. All right. So yeah, this is on right street. It is technically in the city, which is great. Single family house. Right now they're asking for 700. It's two bedrooms. Looks pretty remodeled. I think they've allotted in 2019. Is it some more on it. 20-ish you take your thoughts on it as a housing commission. That's what we wanted to pursue. I think here from the realtor day and I said that we might want to consider going over our asking at 700 to maybe 70-50. I have not done any research on it, which is found out about it earlier today. How much? How many square feet? 900 square feet, two bedrooms. And it looks like it's got those. Like many duct split some AC systems. So internal AC. I would do some comparison on the price per square foot for this unit versus town homes at U5. We obviously the fact that there's a single family home and it's pricey. What is it's owned? Is it an R1 AR on B? If I see an R1, the MRI has... I mean that's... You can tell probably there is our life size. At least that's what this is. Our one A. You're taxis, that's five years five. Wow. What's this? So that just tells you how much you can build with those lot size can be, sort of with the setbacks can be. So it tells you like if you were to stay care down and build it up again. How much did you build there legally without getting specialize? So $700,000 from R1A law is, that seems like a pretty good deal. Well, except that I don't think actually it's conforming. According to this, it's only $4,500 per fee. I don't know how it's going to cost it. Yeah. Well, it costs 100 square feet in terms of the lot size. So our one a normally is a query or a conceptual. 1000 square feet 1000 square feet. So that's why I asked like for you buying actually. And land is pretty small. That it's actually 4500 square feet of land. Okay. So. I know that. getting a family into, we're household into the, that one through bedroom. I think that's probably 500 lot size. Yeah, that's 90. I mean, I mean, I'm so excited. Yeah. I, I, I haven't had a chance to register this, yes, this is pretty high off the university. Yeah, so I was just looking at the price per square foot and comparing. We wanted to show you a good value also for the program. It's a good pair of two bedroom tiny two bedroom single handling home versus the two bedroom town home. Yeah, you know, and at 7.50, it kind of makes it, it is permissible in terms of like what our resale can be. But so this is a program that's pretty, so for your awareness where we have a partner that purchased properties in the city and then we sell them at reduced prices. And the size of that reduction is determined by the level of AMI meaning how much you make comparatively to the average person falls church. So the the farther the lower your AMI compared to the average person the bigger subsidy you would get. So meaning the lower the pay for the parts, the parts that we need to be for. Do we work with a real term? We do. Could they hold camps? Yes. Yes, we can, we think they're constant. We can get on the steps. My main thought was how, you know, we had to kind of add that extra, that extra piece in place to provide the additional subsidies for someone to afford even one of the three bedroom condos. And so, in less, there's someone on the wait list who is like exactly fit for that. It seems, especially since we already have a three bedroom on there, it seems like a little risky, which I mean, that would make me not, I think, moving against, I don't know, I'm doing it, especially if we're heading into the full winter where there aren't as many units, but they tend to be, they tend to go for less. And I feel like there's always, especially if people are looking for a home ownership opportunity, like people will probably be, they're not necessarily only gonna be buying in the summer. It's like something like that comes up, maybe I'll do that. So. The other thing about this one that's worth mentioning is that it doesn't have an HOA from what I'm aware, meaning that the carry costs for it would be relatively low. And the Fed just cut rates. At some point, it's going to trickle down to actual mortgage interest rates as well. So conceivably, rates are going to start falling in coming months. So I think it's reasonable to assume that there's going to be more action on the market. How the prices are going to go up? Maybe that's probably going to happen this area. That built in 1915. The landmark. That's probably got. It's not. I think historical certification starts at like 1911. The windows. Just missed missing four years. Oh man. Well, um, you guys have any other thoughts about this? Is that I'm kind of leaning towards now as well? It's because that's the mission. Yes, probably. I love budget for. To people who are targeting him. So, I think that's not the sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. know that it's a like two minutes before something about this. Because I just really wrote quick. 29 and I embrace you and looking at the tax records. Yeah, it's one more. It's just that just trying to figure out like. It's just a weird business exactly. I'll fill it right. I think like given that we already have a three bedroom that we can't upload. I feel like that E-justification is a like okay, maybe we've been able to do that That's still sitting there. She'll try to do that. Is there more than that for one of yours? I would say that's I Swear a sweet spot. You have more people More light so people in two feet two like like couples No, that's where our sweet spot is. We have more people, more light. So people in two people, like couples, who would benefit more from Iman, probably want to go to the hospital. But yeah. And then the other thing is, oh, we're all going to say. Yeah, anyway, there's, oh, there's just not a lot of actual marker right now. It's kind of waiting for the rest of the news to hit. So we're kind of looking at a little bit of a few of the two properties right now. We're expecting to hopefully get an actual offer on one of the next couple of days soon. It's not so much. So just kind of like a natural low program right now. But many people are sorry. like, you know, just kind of like a natural law program right now. But I'm just gonna keep you. I was just gonna come in and add it to the like most of actually eligible people, but since we met in July. Actually not. So. It's been many, maybe. Yeah, three. Okay. So I was like, is that right? We just talked about that. I was actually submitted there, I met with the lender. Yes. We've talked to a lot of people and kind of been working this list, but like only three of actually like, new people who qualified, which had to be certified, so I think. We had about, since last Sunday, we met about 10 people during the interest of us. And a couple of those forms was now in short, but you guys can see the agenda. Let me show this next. I see seven. I'm taking this information. Yeah, so just let's take the time. Any other thoughts or questions about that before we're on the video? Jane, those are. No. Thank you. Are you gonna stick around for the follow up and join meeting, join hasn't commissioned any of the handpenders? Oh, I good. Make it a little bit, because there's gonna be like a state center that's on the right there. It'd be useful. I'll give you a better update on the junior village there, but just for you guys, for your awareness, we've been meeting with the council VA about this project. I sent you guys a memo earlier, really, really weird. So you guys had what's going on. And the deal there is that we were planning on closing. I think it was, and I think it was, and I think it now, and then kind of clueless part due to the gene housing that having additional concerns about the next step swarming project. So right now we are kind of adjusting to that news. We're kind of working on a number of different solutions including considering other purchase options using the access strike funds. We are considering alternate landing sources, so we talked about them the landing sources as a project team. And we don't have a definite path forward, we have an idea of what we want to do, and that will require additional negotiation conversations that are kind of due to proprietary at this point. So we can't say no about it, but that's where we're going to go. I'm happy to talk about any questions you have. Thanks for having me. Does the neighbor works on your radar? Is it a potential one? No, it's not. You said the neighbor works. There I've gone on the project. Revolved in the portal housing space that does a lot of one thing that I felt it was there's, I feel like in your report was a reference to Lesk being, so, Naval Works is one of the same genre of type of organization. There, it's, I don't think we've reached out to them, but as else to just kind of like, kind of learn that, we haven't had much work with alternative leaders, because no one's really even close to where the gym housing was. And one of the options is to just work with the gym housing and figure out a way to get back and compliance with what's close to their real house, which is a different circumstance that this wasn't. I think we're kind of bad at work for that. I'm going to make a big sign. So that's the agreement to sign with us. So how long have the discussions been going on with them before this happened? Oh, before I can remember, I think we've been talking about since like 2000, I think 2000, 2001 at least probably before that. Is there really any? 2021. 2021. I was like, I was thinking, I think it, after, you know, three years of competition sort of thing, ended up kind of an in-pass. I mean, is there any point at spending any more time thinking like, oh, can we get back on the race? Look at them or, I mean, it seems like if they wanted to make something more, they would have done it by now. Well they were very clear when they said this is not going to work for us that this is a way that it would work for us. So that's the point and again like we're talking about just like dollars and cents here. We're going to be fair rate. We are like for example Wesley is working to apply for additional panels on grant funds for this project. It was a fantastic experience. It's kind of correct if we did that. We are, when we have a moment to come up with rare, we will take a look at, for example, the ForexX housing, we would have all the authority rolling the delta, that they clad out as well. So we'll, we know we're just not looking at different sources of funds to kind of get this project back on track. And especially if we can get to the place where there's a given development potential, I think there might be a good spot. Yeah. Do you guys have the other question leveraging the village for your time? I'm quite fortunate. For other big questions. So I know that like a lot of the conversation last year around the start was like, okay, we're apart by this much, you know, careful whatever, how many hundreds of thousands of dollars, and then we're going to make it up, by like these different things. So presumably, I mean, did they just like move the goalposts based on other changes? I'm just, because I understand like it's just money, but also if we already did a big stretch to be like here let's say we can drag up another like million dollars and then there. It was not a problem with numbers I think at that point it was a problem with how we're even approaching the project. Why they decided to tell us two years after we've, you know, that a former dollar grant from them. You know, only, only a certain people know the instrument and they know about my favorite. I will say, I will say, despite all this, I don't think they're acting in that video from day to day, if you're a grader, like figure something out. And that's more educational for the learning standards, that's what we'll go. Now, the other thing I'll also mention is that, you know, we're looking at a number of possible solutions and one of those solutions is you then just, instead of calling it a closing, we're calling it a transfer, and then we give the conference to Leslie, and then we figure out a solution where it'll be a final conference. So it kinda can makes it a little bit less complicated. We're just considering it, and we're just looking at that as one of the options. Yeah, I was thinking, you know, mentioned that it would be hard to find this good ideal. Like faithful, great, so whatever for the Rican housing, I mean, it sounds like it, there are other things like, you know, what's their options like that do it's probably worth exploring, even if it seems like, you know, the deal that we would get would be good because it will never happens. So a way of just adding money on how that in your longer counts. Great deal, but you know, who knows what, who knows what would, you know, what opportunities there might be if we talk to someone else. So be nice to have other options instead of continue to think so much. Like a time into something that's been kind of not what they did kind of like making us around a little bit for a long time. But again, I always say like you don't think they're acting in that way, but you know, there's that there are ways that things can move after the time to come here. Thank you. Do you get your point where it's helpful? I'm happy to come up with a list of a important additional nonprofit for the 100 years. Yeah, I would definitely like that. And I think it's a question of like whether we can get them by and on where our plans. Yeah. And I don't like I'm concerned that if it's not, and you have them in the house, we'll do it in a way that creates an extent for the grants for these properties. I'm just gonna speak very quickly about the Affordable Living Policy. We wrapped it in June. We had some great actions, probably with Mr. Pergain-Bulles, and actually it's on the memo. We wanted two grants in the meantime, one grant for the poor people to housing the ball people to help us write the actual draft, the actual Affordable Living Policy. We started that process basically last week, and we started the process with the consultant to now. And the housing commission is absolutely a part of that schedule. We will share with you once we have it more finalized right now. We're working on, well, first of all, it's going to be a part of the comprehensive plan and just learn about that recently. And we're going to put legislation forward to council to help us schedule that out over the next probably four or five months. So that will kind of provide all the details, the recommendations and what we want to do. We'll get very initial feedback on that and then it will start with really draft process. But now, it's a type of something to do or step-to-step. It is. There's a couple of reasons what have we chose then. One of which of course was that they've been working with us for the last four months in the event at Best Picture. So, like we're more than happy to expand world-time, they've written other policy documents about organizations in Virginia, they do a great job, they have a lot of knowledge and information specifically about the board of processing. So we think that their life's been very resource in the fact I originally reached out to them because of that experience to bring on this facilitator for the group, and just so happy to support that really well that we could work with them for this grant. The other grant was for the Virginia Village Revealment Workgroup. We got like $35,000, $36,000 for that. To work with the same group, but to basically hold the series of meetings with the work group to help us figure out what we want to do with the Reveal Management Village. That seems far away right now. It might happen soon, and you'd think it depends on a lot of factors. But we will need someone from the housing commission to probably be on that work group as well. So I'm thinking you guys ahead so that you guys are the part. So. So quick question on the draft for the affordable living policy that's being worked. You said that's gonna be shared with us at some point for comment. Yes. You will see it. I mean, we weren't on the computer work group. So you are, you are, is it just a report of what the work group you'll have in the comments on it? We will have a specific session where I go over what's going on. We'll talk about some things. The one that I want to make sure that you guys are okay with what's in so far. If you have comments, they can just do it. It will be similar, similar meeting. Something about like Jack Trainers going with the accessories while in the units because this is going into the comprehensive plan. This is also a function of planning permission as well. We're figuring out new information. So I only come up with a that having reviewed a lot of reports over the years. It's much easier to review it when it's still in the sort of very early draft stage where it's just sort of an outline, as opposed to once you get a report, you can only tweak around the edges. So it might be worth doing it iteratively and so we could see it upfront with sort of the broad recommendations, the broad findings. And we can sort of have questions about that early on before they actually start the narrative of writing. Yeah, I'm, that sounds like a great idea. Maybe what I can do is, because I'm actually like doing this, like I'm convincing everything, I'm moving things around, tightening it up, kind of flesh it out a little bit, as a part of this staff report for council to comment on. I'll share that with you guys and give you an opportunity to look at it, to get thoughts on it. I mean, if it's just a readout of what the working group was doing and did, that's one thing, but if there's any discretionary issues where we could influence what is being said. I think the thing that occurs to me is that they cannot, like, there's like a lot of goals and recommendations and prioritizing those. I feel like it's very, that's going to be like a key thing coming out of it. And it would be helpful to have a conversation like it's very, that's going to be like a key thing coming out of it. And it would be helpful to have a conversation while it's still like, that's more focused on, yep, it's more focused on like what are, what's being prioritized instead of it being more like we don't want to be editors, you know, like we want to, we think about the content. It seems like that's probably the key to keeping. So, you know, one of that's like looking at an outline, you know, in November or whatever. And over closing on time, last candidate, one just kind of process. I do this comment that it's part of the commitment to plans and now the planning commission has. Commentary over policy two, I want to just make sure that, you know, all the work that the committee did doesn't like get substantively changed by a commission that's not part of that or subject matter expert in that area. That's fair. I don't know that I can necessarily necessarily promise that, but that's something that I'm going to personally fight for because the system goes through a lot of different eyeballs until you're just a fun product and ultimately this is a policy document discussing it's not just to address the 20 recommendation and 30 recommendations that this would provide to you to make that done. So was that, was that, it was going to be that for there was the change to it? And to the things. Right. But I mean, the policy is more than just the recommendations, right? It's like, yeah. But how we're going to achieve that, where our goals are. And hopefully, having it as a part of the comprehensive plan, we'll actually give that more weight in terms of, you know, putting it on council or what plans or something like that and what it has to start adjusting these things. And I'll tell you this, there's a lot of big deal, big things in this, that we've already started working on, we've started working on a month ago, and we've come a long way, right? So we've done a lot of really great things. We started working on dashboard, which is, which is, I mean, it's probably something to share everything that I want to try and kind of do that. Probably, probably. Yeah. Technically, it's not that good. And you guys, like, look too close. Just start reading comments and then, then we'll go on to talk. Yeah, help us out. Yeah. Yeah. like we're going a lot of stuff like now. Yeah, I think that I see your concern is not like, like, you know, if we put all this work into a policy document that then by virtue of being put in a comprehensive plan, now just sort of like that work is sort of superseded. I think that's something we should just keep an eye on, yeah, because they may just be like, okay, cool. But I think we should keep it on. And maybe when it's the planning, when planning commission is looking at it, one of us could be at that meeting. So one best practice that's come because at any time we have a complicated thing with lots of iterations is planning usually has this like comment matrix where you just note the comment and then the response of hey this was incorporated or there's not incorporated why that a slip of law rather than make a guideline edit so that might be a way to address the concerns of that. You kept all the comments but ultimately I think it's a council decision to approve this. I like the input and I think definitely I want to preserve the original verse and that was recommended by the group. I also want to see the input. That may be a good way to first. Sorry. Were you saying with those grants and the grant of Virginia village working group? Is that the same group that facilitated just before the list policy? Okay. All right, I think we so if we're basically out of time, I was going to give a chance for our new student rough to introduce himself the upcoming meeting with good item six with the previous senator that we're going to go up to. I think the main thing we wanted to talk about was we don't want to we want to make sure that like each act human services advisor council had the chance to ask the questions with we have a chance of questions we talked in sort of a planning meeting about like all right, you know, it's how we want to ask a couple of, there's a couple things that like we're interested in that we want to ask, there are a couple things that they're interested in. So there are two questions that people are particularly interested in, I don't think we need to have a long session, it's not a time-to-long session, but I think people are feel free to jump in. We just don't want to do it. So it's to and then open that. He's going to talk about accessory development and the Senate bill. He's going to talk about. The agenda. We'll talk about accessory. So the one question and this is going to be a big, seems to me from last time to find a region where you're apparently seeing the big issues is the Senate bill has a accessory dwelling units as a maximum of 1500 feet, that's our proposal is now a thousand square feet. And to me that that is, that excludes families, that it excludes a lot of people who might benefit from accessory development. Anyway, I'd like to understand their logic as to why they chose 1500 feet. Which seems like a much more reasonable. Yeah. And they may, like, he's going to give it an update, like, he's gonna give an update, like I think it may change some of our recommendations also because I know that they're not going, sorry, I'm gonna need a adjourn. Can we just meet, yes. So I say ask that question and then if someone else has a question, that's fine, they've said, I want to tell many obstacles to the, ask for six, the other group. Talk about the other group later. Motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. Okay.