Good afternoon. Today is Monday, December 2nd. I can't believe it's December. And it is 4 p.m. Megan, do you want to do roll call? Roll call, Council Member Fredstein. Here. Council Member Gustasson. Here. Council Member Murrell. Mayor Madsen. I'm sorry. Oh my gosh. That's okay. Mayor Shank. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. And about to be sworn in Councilmember, Danjlo. Here. Thank you. Great. Well, this is exciting. We're all here together for the first time, and we get to watch, that's why you get sworn in. So, Megan, take it away. Thank you. Thank you. If you would please say I will after I read this, that would be great. Do you, as I only swear, that you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution and laws of the State of Colorado, and the charter ordinances, laws, regulations of the town of Snowmass Village, and perform the duties of the Office of Council Member, upon which you are about to enter to the best of your ability. Wonderful. I don't think you have to worry about it. I don't think you have to worry about it. Wonderful. Thank you all. That was exciting. Well, I will just say, because you guys weren't here the last time when it was just the three of us and Tom and I got sworn in that it is just really nice to have everyone at the table. And obviously we look a little different. It's Tom and all the women. But it's all good. It's really exciting. We have a lot of amazing things on the agenda for this year and I'm excited for all the work that we get to do together. So here we go. Right? I just want to mention that I will be speaking for all the men on council. That's good. We need that. Okay, great. So next item up is Proclamation and Appreciation for Mayor Bill Madsen. And Mayor Madsen could not be with us tonight, but we are going to read the Proclamation anyways because we do appreciate all of his years of service. A proclamation expressing appreciation to Bill Madsen for his service as a member of the Snowmass Village Town Council, mayor of the town of Snowmass Village in his leadership guidance and dedication to the town of Snowmass Village. Whereas Bill Madsen was elected by the voters of Snowmass Village in November 2014 in 2018 and served as a member of the Snowmass Village Town Council through November 2020. And whereas Bill Madsen was elected by the voters of Snowmass Village to two consecutive two-year terms from 2020 through 2024 as the mayor of the town of Snowmass Village and whereas throughout all these many years of service Bill Madsen has demonstrated a record of dedication and passion for the community and whereas Madsen's hard work and sincerity have been tremendous assets to the community and whereas Madsen's fairness and common sense have been positive for both the town council and the community whereas Madsen's efforts have been a benefit to the business community, the environment, residents, guests, and the employees of this town, and whereas Madsen's leadership and straightforward approach to government and insight into the needs of the community will greatly be missed. Now therefore, it be proclaimed by Alyssa Shank-Mayor of the town of Snowmass Village, Colorado, the citizens of Snowmass Village, the Snowmass Village town council, and the entire staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Bill Madsen for his dedication, loyalty, and excellence in his efforts to promote a strong community and to enhance the quality of life for our citizens. Proclaim December 2nd, 2024. So congrats Bill, wherever you may be. All right, next up we have Judge Will's. Come on up. Good afternoon. Hi, how are you? For those I haven't met, my name is Lawson Will's. I'm 67 years of age, Mary. Two kids, grown and gone. Three grandkids, which I'm very proud of. I've been a resident of the area since 1992. I've been your judge, municipal judge, for 17 years now. I also serve as your local liquor licensing board. So when the applications come in, we read them. If there are no objections, it goes out pretty fast. In fact, we don't even have a hearing. But if there are objections, then we get everybody together and see what's going on. As far as the court itself, you may have read, over the last year, there's been a lot of controversy statewide about municipal courts and their role. And it rises out of a situation of trouble where they were really different. Municipal courts were handing down year-long sentences and jail and things like that. Really punitive stuff. Coming out of contempt of court type ideas. I'm very much against that. I see the municipal court and we have always operated this way and it was operated this way prior to me ever taken over. I see it as a community court. We solve community issues. So we do dogs. We do animals. We do neighbor disputes. We do some pushing and shoving in bars, not without a lot of injury. We do minor traffic, some minor thefts, that kind of thing. And we meet in this room, a third Wednesday morning at nine o'clock, once a month, and we go through those things and handle them as they come up. We've been pretty successful, I think, in doing it. You know, we've tried to get things worked out most of the time, by the time people get here, they're ready to work something out. So we have, we've been lucky and fortunate that way. I am asking to be appointed again for another two-year term. I don't know how many I've got left in me. I've got, yeah, I'm retiring for my day job in May and that's why you see the others of vacation on there that's three months long. So that's kind of a send-off vacation to retirement. But I'm going to try and keep this when I get back if it's all right. I have organized and set a replacement judge and hopefully you can work out. But he's going to be available. He's the judge in John Collins in Basalt and in Carbondale. So he has some experience. And I'm going to have to sell in for him when he decides to do the same to me. So I think I've got it organized pretty well. But those are the things that come up. Judge, what is your day job? I'm a criminal defense attorney. Okay. I've been very lucky. I've been an attorney for around here since early 90s, 91, 92. And I've been very fortunate. I have my own practice. I have an office in basalt. I do not take cases involving snow mass officers. Yeah. You know, that was just, it's not a required item under the law, but I just thought it was sure something that I needed to do. Great. Okay. Good. Well, we've been fortunate to have you and we're glad you want to stay on for another two years. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. And we hope you're going somewhere fun on your vacation. We're going to camp our way to Alaska. Well, that's amazing. And we're very excited. Oh that's glad it is an organizational nightmare. I can't help it. Make sure everybody's fed. Just make sure you camp your way back. Yeah exactly. Make sure there's gas and all the parts. All those things. Yeah. So we're excited. Well good. Well thank you and if we don't see you before your vacation. Do you have a great time? Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thanks. Awesome. Thank you so much. And we'll do that resolution the first meeting in January officially. That sounds great. That sounds great. And before we go to the next item, which is the Good Deeds, I did want to mention at the beginning of the meeting the passing of Tom Yokem. Many people know Tom, new Tom. He was an instrumental member of the community. He served on the planning commission. He was the past president of the rotary. And a lot of people saw him at the rodeo. He was on the rodeo. He was the rodeo board chair for a very long time. He's going to be sincerely missed by the community and we're grateful for the time and energy he put into our village and making it the community that it is today. A memorial service is going to be taking place in the spring and you know our thoughts are with Barb and the rest of the family. So I just wanted to mention that for those that did not. When did he pass? Last Wednesday. I'm so sorry. Yes. So, anyways. Betsy, West Mountain Regional Housing Coalition. Hi everyone. First I wanted to say as a second wave feminist, it's very exciting for me to see four out of five. Just saying. So we're here tonight to do, I'm here with April Long who is the executive director of the West Mountain Regional Housing Coalition. Those of you who've been on for a while will remember that we were one of the charter members of the coalition that was started in 2020 or 2022. I can't remember exactly when we formally formed our 501 C3 April will tell you all the things. But we the very first program that we decided to try to launch was the Good Deeds program which we had originally called the ByDown and the the mortgage ByDown program. We've talked about it quite a bit here and the town funded it for 2024. And again, it's in the budget for 2025. I thought it would be a great opportunity to update you on the program and also to introduce you to April. We were fortunate enough to be able to hire a half-time executive director, which really moved everything along a lot better. We were all trying to do it as volunteers before. So we've really taken off since April came on and she's terrific and is a housing person, even though she thinks she's a water person. So I think just with that I'll just turn it over to April and she has a PowerPoint. Thanks for having me this afternoon. I look forward to meeting all of you individually. I haven't met all of you, I've known Tom for quite some time now. So I look forward to this and it's exciting because I have really great news, nothing but good news to deliver today, so that's really fun. As Betsy mentioned, so I represent the West Mountain Regional Housing Coalition, we're a new nonprofit, established in 2022, I came on to staff in the fall of 2023. So just a little over a year that I've been with them now. We have 10 board members, one board member from each of our member jurisdictions, which are on the screen there, and then we also have one board member at large, and that's Heather Henry right now, who was also a founding member of the coalition. And we work under a mission to increase the availability and attainability of affordable housing. In the region, the region is all of Pitkin County and Garfield County and the portion of Eagle County that's in the Roaring Fort watershed. So we're serving from Aspen to Parachute. And we believe that the best way that we can do that is by leveraging the skills and resources of our communities as they are now. And that's a good foundation for increasing our affordable housing. So digging right into it, we have set the coalition up to do a couple of things for the region. One, I'm gonna spend a lot of time talking about today in the middle of this home ownership. But we do have a couple of policies and strategies. Right now, we're development neutral. So essentially, what we're trying to say is we are not interested in building any new development right now, but in helping the developments that already exist or that are already in the pipeline, increasing the affordability of those developments. So we'll spend some time talking about that. But we're also intending to be a hub of information and policy guidance for our communities. We hosted a housing summit in January of this year and delivered a lot of information there about the housing situation that we're seeing in the region and how quickly it's changing. And we want to continue to have that reputation to play that role for the region. We're going to talk about home ownership in just a second. We wanted to launch the organization with three different programs after the board looked at a whole menu of the different programs that are being executed throughout the country and the success of those programs. They narrowed it down to these three. So the Good Deeds program will talk a lot about, but we also are hoping to launch a program for rental assistance where we're helping those who need to get into a rental situation, helping them with their first and last months rent so they can get into that into the rental market. And then our second or our third program that we're hoping to launch in the next few years would be to assist in building accessory dwelling units. So helping current homeowners who may be struggling to make ends meet, increase the income that they have by housing a working local in our region, and so helping them modify or build a portion of their home into something that could become a rental. So but today we're going to talk, whoops, we're going to focus on home ownership. So thinking about what sets the stage for why we need to assist people with home ownership, we have to look at the incomes, the affordability and the price points for the free market right now. And thinking about the median income for a family of three in our region, which varies between Picking County and Garfield County, but it's essentially $100,000 a year, somewhere between $90,000 and $110,000 a year for two income earners in a family of three. So in a balanced housing market, when you make the median income, you in general could become a homeowner. So typically in a housing market, low income earners to median income earners rent, and then once you become a median income earner, you then home ownership becomes an option available to you. That's in a balanced market. And in general, you might know the rule of you shouldn't spend more than 30% of your income on your housing. So spending more than that is what we call cost burdened. And so a lot of our community right now and that are already in home ownership are cost burdened. But trying to maintain an option so that people are not cost burdened looks a little bit like this. A person or a couple earning the median income could afford about a $325,000 home. Those earning 200% of the median income, so $200,000 a year could afford a $650,000 home. And those earning 300% of the median income, which is about $300,000 a year here, could afford almost a million dollar home. So we spent some time examining what was available to these people on the market. In Garfield County, the median home cell price in 2023 was $885,000. In Picking County, it was $7.8 million. So what we saw is that even our highest income earners, those that could afford maybe a million dollar house, that doesn't become a hat. We don't have houses on the market available to them until Glenwood Springs. So even in Carbondale and Bessault, I believe the median price in Bessault was about $3 million last year in Carbondale. It was over 1.5 million. So even our highest income earners from Pick and County and Garfield County are having to shop down in Glenwood Springs. Did I do something? Yeah, okay. The other thing that we found is that we have lots of housing programs, no mass housing programs, Garfield County, APSHA has housing programs. Most of our habitat for humanity is a great resource. Most of those programs have income limits. And so they're looking at assisting those who are earning the lowest incomes, right? Generally something between 60% to maybe 120% to 140%. And then that's when it stops. And so those that are earning more than 140% can't participate in our affordable housing options and receive the subsidies. And they also can't participate in the free market. And it's way out of reach for them. And so we developed a program that we hoped to kind of hit that niche so that we're not in competition with the other programs. We're not being repetitive and redundant with what's already being offered. But but again that leveraging our resources, sharing our resources. So looking at that spot where we don't already have a program for this region and targeting that population. So that's where we developed Good Deeds. Good Deeds is modeled after a really successful program in Eagle County. They've been running a program like this for three years. They've done over 75 homes in that amount of time. There's a similar program in Breckenridge. So it's not, it's tried and true in these other communities that look a lot like ours. And so, and we also have someone from Eagle County on our board, which has been a huge resource for us in setting this program up. The idea of the Good Deeds program is that we would bridge the gap between what's affordable for a local income earner and what's available on the market by showing up at closing. So the local income earner, the local worker, would shop in the free market, find a home that they wanted to purchase, and we would assist in buying down the price of that home to something that's more affordable. Therefore converting homes, free market, existing housing stock, into a more affordable housing stock. So again that development neutral approach. We're trying to take what the homes that we already have in this region buy them down to something that's more affordable. We will do that up to a $1.5 million purchase price. We come in with 30% of the purchase price and the buyer comes in with only 70% of the price. The requirements are pretty low, pretty easy to meet and again, we did that that intentionally and so our requirements are that the person buying this house is going to use it as the primary residence. They cannot ever short-term rent it. We require that they maintain full-time employment with a local employer. So the employer has to have a location within Picking County or Garfield County, but they do not have to stay with that one employer, the entire time they're in this home. So it's a really good benefit for professional and personal development to be able to change jobs and not worry about losing your housing. And so we wanted to make that an option for those that are participating in this program. So they only have to maintain employment with a local employer. They cannot own any other residential property anywhere. It is a little different than some of our other requirements. The price that they can resell the house is, they're only allowed a 3% annual appreciation. That's a simple interest annual appreciation, but that's what locks in the affordability. So we've bought down the price of this home and we want the next person to buy it to be able to afford it as well. And so that's how we lock in that affordability. Excuse me, is it? Is it simple interest or is it compound annual? Simple. Simple, simple interest. So if it's 10 years, it's 30%. I'm going to add a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little So, we launched this program in August. We, you know, over the summer and with the generous help of our member jurisdictions like Snowmass, pulled together $2 million to launch the program with. And this is us reporting back. We told everybody this was a pilot. We would see if it worked, how well it worked, and we would provide this update. So this is exciting. We've been doing this for only four months. We've done seven deed restricted homes now. So I've closed on seven homes or closed on six have one more of them closing on in a couple of weeks and one more in the pipe. One more that just went under contract today. So we have expended of that $2 million, 1.8 million and you'll see on the next slide I dive into the deep details So we have expended of that $2 million, 1.8 million, and you'll see on the next slide I dive into the deep details, but it's about $260,000 per home, is what we're purchasing that deed restriction for. So those are seven homes that are permanently more affordable now in just four months. 22 bedrooms with all of those homes, and we have secured stable home ownership for 11 working locals. So those are the 11 working locals or the buyers of these homes. Two of the homes have rental options and so they're renting to other working locals and then one of our buyers freed up their affordable housing unit to buy into the program so now there's a freed up affordable housing unit in Garfield County that another working locals going to be able to get into and then just of interest four out of five of the workers that are now housed in Glenwood Springs are within walking or biking distance of their jobs and their schools, their kids' schools. So we're also reducing commuting traffic, reducing stress, giving people time, which is priceless. Okay, so digging into the details of these homes just in case your numbers people and you want to look at it. Those are the seven homes that we purchased. In green is the purchase price for those homes. In blue is what West Mountain Regional Housing Coalition paid for the deed. And in orange is what the buyer paid for the home. The other thing to look at is that those numbers in orange, if those homes sold tomorrow, that's what they would sell for. So they have a maximum resell price that comes back through us, and that's what they would sell for. So they have a maximum resale price that comes back through us, and that's what they would resale for. That's what's locking in that affordability. Is there, are there restrictions on the buyer on the resale? The resale then has to re-qualify through us. And it will facilitate the resale. And again, it's those same restriction have to work locally. Yeah. So if you want to see those averages, the average purchase price was 875,000. It ranged from almost 1.2 million down to about 550,000. Average buyer price was 600,000 and then our average D price again was about $260,000. If you take that in bigger numbers, the total volume or value of homes that we bought in the area was over $6 million. Again, 22 bedrooms. We did that with only $1.8 million. There's some prices per bedroom. Putting that into numbers that, you know, I'm sure you're all more familiar with and picking county it cost about a million dollars to build an affordable unit right now that's after the land has already been given to you. Could take three to seven years to get something like that approved. So we are just really excited by the fact that we just added seven affordable homes to this area in just four months with just $1.8 million dollars. Do you have a split out of four of those? Oh, I did. Let me get that view. So the seven homes, three of them are in carbon-dale and four of them are in glimpsed springs. There's one in decodamettadows, so that area near Blue Lake in Carbondale. And then the other two are in the Carbondale Town Limits. The four in Glenwood Springs are all in Glenwood Springs Town city limits. And then I showed the location of the employment for all of those buyers, those 11 working locals. So those are those smiley faces. You can see four of them are in the Aspen area, one 11 working locals, so those are those smiley faces. You can see four of them are in the Aspen area, one in the salt, two in Carbondale and four, the, there are four in Glenwood Springs. The incomes that were, that we've helped of these households range from 80% of the median income to 220%. That was interesting to us. We were thinking that we were going to be helping higher and higher income earners, but we did help several in the 80 to 160% range. Professions, we thought you all might be interested in who these people are and what they're doing without attaching too much or taking away too much anonymity. We have a value view nurse. We have several people working for the Roaring Forks School District, including an assistant principal, couple of servers and ski patrollers, bike mechanics, working at your favorite bike shop, a local and government employee, a local nonprofit employee, a grants writer for CMC. She is securing the grants that CMC gets to build affordable housing. Full circle. And as well, the landscape architect and an architect, the landscape architect works on our local affordable housing designs. So they're also on search and rescue for Garfield County, so just incredible community members could not have asked for better people to be in this program. So right off the bat. Other benefits of the good deeds. How do you select, did you have more people interested in the program than these? Yeah, and also we did not select. It was first come first served. Yeah, so we kind of launched the program in August and I started qualifying people as quickly as they wanted to get their applications in, but it's up to them to shop and find the house. And then once they find the house, if the house meets our requirements and they meet our requirements still, then we enter a contract in together that locks the funds in them for them so that they can be assured that the funds are going to be there at closing, but that's the point where we lock it in. How many qualified applicants do you have now that are waiting for something? We have ten other qualified applicants. I have a hundred other with applications in their hands, but they're holding off because they know that we don't have the funds remaining anymore. But I'll get to that too. Some of the other cool benefits of the program. Did you want to ask questions? Are these single-family homes all of them? Are you guys also doing anything like condominiums? We'll do anything. So I think four of them are single-family homes, two condos, compartment. Yeah. Five of these buyers were first-time home buyers. Eight of them are moving out of rentals. So one of the big strategies for this program is that if we can get those high-income earners who should be in housing, should be in homeownerships, who are paying really high rents, if we can get them into homeownership, then we can get a little better control over the rental market for those who rely on the rental market. Our 30% contribution at closing is seen by the lenders as a 30% down payment. So our buyers are getting really great interest rates. They only have to come with 3% of their own funds to participate in our program. So one of the issues with home ownership here is that when you're cost burdened and you're paying so much of your income on rent, you can't save enough money to ever be able to put down the 20% required for home ownership. And so that is one of the extra benefits that we're excited about. We're seeing some of our buyers, the sellers are really attracted to the program and they want to support local, they want to support the region, they want to keep people here locally. And so one of our buyers, be out five cash offers even though his offer was not the highest, simply because they wanted it to go to a local income earner. So that's great. I mentioned the rentals. Oh, I do have an estimate from some of our employers who are at risk of losing two of their employees that are now secure. That they estimate that they spend 50 to $60,000 for every employee turnover in training and retraining and bringing them up to speed. And so an estimate of how much we've saved local employers just by having those 11 income earners in some secure housing. It's been great. I hope you asked some for donations. I'm going to. And then one of the other things, I mean one of the really incredible things about this job is how grateful everybody is for this opportunity. I mean you and I, we all know someone who's really struggling to stay here because they cannot get into home ownership. And so I just pulled a couple of the quotes of how kind everybody has been. In our first sale, the seller was a retired teacher and she wanted to sell to someone locally. She lowered her price by $50,000 so that the buyer could buy it. So this is really, really incredible fun stories about this community, really helping each other out and doing it through this program. Some of our buyers, some of the people that were able to keep here now, thanks to their ability to get into home ownership. This was a great story. This is the last person that closed. She's renting in rifle. Her place has its bestest. It's one bedroom place with a teenage son. She has been saving and saving, but she's been saving for her own retirement, trying to do the right thing all along and realizing that she's not going to be able to get into home ownership. Her son's father passed away last year. So all of these like really incredible pieces coming together to help her get into home ownership right next to her son's school so that he can walk just a little. Okay so Tom this is what you're asking about. We still have ten more qualified households we have hundreds with applications waiting to see what happens with the program, to see if we're going to be able to continue it. I get about one new email a day asking for an application. So we have about $160,000 remaining from that $2 million. However, I just was telling Betsy, somebody just went under contract and so that $160,000 is going to be gone if this contract goes through. So we will have expended $2 million by the end of the year. I'm happy to answer any questions that you all might have, but yeah, thank you for the support that Snowmass gave us to get this going and to prove this concept. It's really incredible. It's incredible. I mean, you can just feel the excitement of those people popping off the screen. I mean, it's really amazing. And I know it means a lot to people to be able to finally get a home, whether it's a single family home or an apartment. I guess, you know, I mean, I understand the funding part of it. I mean, but you guys did know that would happen, right, that you would get to this point. But I know that you modeled after Eagle County. So what did they do in terms of, you know, beyond their initial funding? Yeah. Well, Eagle County has a tax. It's just a lot easier place to work in because it's one county, right? So they have one county, they have a, they have a tax dedicated to affordable housing. It's generating tons of revenue and that's all that they do You know we looked at that our board and and the founders of this organization looked at the idea of creating a regional district and Attacks they started this work in like 2017 2018 there wasn't a political appetite for Increasing taxes for affordable housing that there might be now. So it is something that's, you know, on the list of things that we might pursue. So we just did a strategic planning process and one of the things that we are starting to explore is how to be more sustainable. Just to let you all know, before April came to work with us. We went to the state to through and applied to three different state funding programs that had a lot of money and encouraged us to apply but this didn't fit into any of their boxes. They didn't have a product that could really do what we're trying to do here. Their products were more either based on housing development that they would help fund or a person who needed financing. But ours was a little bit more, you know, we wanted to find houses and convert them from market to affordable. And so after about a year of chasing their programs, that's when we decided to pilot it by going to each of the members and asking for you know some money to get this going which we did. And I think we have a couple of ideas of ways that we can maybe leverage with some local businesses, get the local business community more involved. April talked about a taxing district. I personally think that's a lot of work. And we already have some of our communities, already have taxes that may be available for this. So I think that is what we really need to focus on in 2025 is fundraising for sustainability. I know that picking county, they have a new tax and they've proposed some portion of it in 2025 to be available for this program. We have another 250 in for this year. Basalt had not contributed before, but they're looking at it for 2025 because they now have some money that they've raised in there but are put aside in their budget for housing. So I think it's more like, you know, we sort of have to move in this direction of supporting this program and finding different avenues for fundraising. So if if Pick and County for instance was able to apply one a you know the new tax to give some of the money towards this I mean can it would it be conditional saying it would need to only be used for Pickin County residents? No I mean part of what has been a challenge I think for a lot of the communities is we have been we the coalition have been adamant that we don't really want to have it be directed in quite that way. That we have, that we're a region, we're a regional economy, we have regional workers who have to live regionally. If you were, for instance, to condition the funding that somebody had to buy in Snowmass Village, you would never have anyone, or as a husband, or the way our market works is you really cannot purchase anything for a million dollars anywhere else. So I think people, it's a conversation that each of the communities is having that's partly, I think, why basalt? There are funding needed to be for basalt people, but our region does not work on a town-by-town basis when it comes to where people live and where they work, any longer. I mean, there was a time. And I know we talk about this when we talk about our own housing portfolio, but it will have to see how that goes. That's partly why I think businesses kind of get that, but then they want it to be limited to their employees too. So it's that is probably the biggest challenge in my hope in some ways as we can also get the state to look at their programs little differently. But that, you know, that workers seem pretty evenly spread out up and down the valley. So that's the worker wise, yes. Not the full wise. I think like that question of like we did have, you know, there were lots of meetings where, you know, Pickin County or Snowmass Village or Fort For instance, wanted those caveats, wanted it to just be, it can only be spent here. So like Betsy said, we pushed hard on like, this is a regional issue. You asked us to solve it regionally. We've set up a program to do that. And they're like, all right, well, let's see what happens. And so this is a stepping back up and saying, here's what happened. Look at all these people that benefit this region, like, you know, Picking County, you rely on value view. Like we're helping nurses with value view. You know, like, so hoping to use this opportunity to show, you do benefit if you spend Picking County dollars outside of Picking County, your community benefits from that. And so that's what we're hoping to show. And the other thing I just think is all is worth mentioning again April mentioned it twice I think. But it's the bang for the buck on this program is just humongous, right? We, when you to build a unit is a million, a million, two per unit. But this is as a where we can convert something existing for a fraction of that. And it's permanently de-restricted. It's not as affordable, right? It's not going to be affordable to somebody making $20 an hour necessarily. But it creates that missing middle chunk that we hear about a lot that, you know, is really that is really hard for people who want to own a home to find anything, you know, anywhere outside a rifle maybe, that they can afford on the market. I mean, there is a balancing, I mean, I'm interested if you ever were to look at an analysis. I mean, even if we spend a million bucks to build a unit if it's a four-cell unit we get substantial amount of money back or if it's a rental we get a rental stream so it's not just $1.00 comparison right? So that no that's a good point. You probably a million dollars unit you probably sell it for 400,000 300,000 so you're 600,000 in right? Seven or seven. I have no idea what their number is. I think our last one we did was in coffee place, we subsidized about 300 a unit, but they sold for 800,000, 850,000. So you have to have a pretty substantial income to do that. But you're right, Tom. I hadn't really considered that. But, yeah, there's not a return on investment and quite in a financial way. I mean, it's sort of all of the above kind of. Right, it's another tool in our toolkit. Yeah, it's just another tool. It's not the only one. But I, it's a great tool, but the funding is going to be the challenge. And funding housing is a challenge no matter how you slice it, right? You know, housing's outrageous. Yeah. But I would say this lends itself much more to just private donations. I mean people hearing these stories, it's inspiring. I think that's a big potential that we wouldn't have with our housing like nobody. Yeah, that is one of our strategies. Yeah, yeah. And so just trying to use this to show its success so that we can build better support, yeah, financial support for it moving forward. And we're not done with the state either. Yeah, I'm not interested in seeing how this happened and they really want to help our region. So we're going to take this back to them and see if there's different ways. I also just want wanna acknowledge that the zero growth part of this is really important. And just turning units that could otherwise be Airbnb's or just sold to people who are only here a few weeks in the summer. Like you're turning those into permanent housing solutions. So that's a really important piece of what you're doing, right? The environmental impact there. Yeah, we're not extending services, we're not building new bus stops, we're not extending utilities, like all of that. Stig and cure us. And no, so do you have an outreach program for sellers? Is there a way to incentivize sellers? I know the buyers are the ones going out and looking into it, but there, I certain that there must be some people out there that would maybe not know about a program like this, but might be interested in selling into a program like this. I've had a couple of real estate agents ask me about that, and we don't have a program set up for that yet. There's a couple of ideas that I have for tax credits for sellers or something that wanted to participate in the program, but maybe it might take a little while to flush out. I mean, I think it would be great just to get the information out there. This is available too. It could be interesting. One of the buyers, I'm sure you saw this posted on the Rowing Fork Swap. Did you see that? Did they? Yeah, like a week or two ago, somebody on the Rowing Fork us but our first home through the Good Deeds program and then in parentheses direct message me if you want more information on this program it's great and they were looking for donations of furniture because they spend every last penny you know yeah as the word gets out it words gets out yeah we did one press release and that's it and so all of these people are contacting you just three word of mouth yeah yeah but the real estate agents that have worked on the program, the lenders that have worked on the program are thrilled. They've like never seen anything so amazing. The lenders are one of our better, you know, spokespeople out there too. How about yeah? Yeah, wonderful. Well, it's great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks everybody. We really appreciate it. Thank you. It's good to see you. Okay. Next up on the agenda, we have public comment. Is there anyone that would like to make public comment? I'm not seeing anyone. Okay. Next up, we have the consent agenda. We have several items. We have the draft agenda. It's minutes for approval. Town Council dates for 2025. Delinquent solid trash. Waste accounts. Contract by and sell 35 campground lane and the snowmouse club sewer line easement. Is there anything anyone wants to pull out and have questions about? I have a comment about agenda. Yeah. I like to add an agenda item, which I'd like to do in December meeting. If we want to go ahead with a transit center, there is a time pressure on it because when the major grants expire sometime in the fall and It takes a long time for Council in town to get that point and we would have to have an approved Design to get that money. It's like $13.5 million So I Like to put on the agenda either for next Monday or the following Monday just because it's so time urgent, a discussion about it and for us to make a decision if we want to go ahead with the New Transit Center, the two level most likely, but we should have that conversation. And if so, if we agree to do it, then we have to put a plan place and move on fairly quickly. So I'd like to get that on the agenda ASAP. Do we want to add it? So next Monday's a special meeting and we just have the Mel Levy and Board and Commission discussion at the draw site. So maybe that's too much architecture. Right. Well, the next one. We might be doing town center. We have, yeah, and up here, and that's the management. It's, let's do it next week. Can we do that next week? Yeah, well, I won't have a lot of information for you, but if you're discussion on how you want to move it forward. Yeah, I mean, will we have enough information to be able to make a decision? Yes, we want to go ahead with the two-level scheme or we don't. That's the decision we have to make. I think it's job enough to start the discussion. Yeah, okay. It's gonna be a $40 million decision. So I doubt you're gonna have to make sure to make sure. I mean, we may just say no, we don't want to do it. And we should forget it. But I hope we can provide the speaking points for you guys to start. I know they're weak wouldn't make a difference, but to have it on the 16th. difference but I think if you wanted to start the discussion next week we can I mean we'll see that the grant councilor Fristing is talking about the 13 and a half million dollar federal grant and they're wishy-washy with that's a little bit when they're gonna take it back but we know it's the fall and they've said you have to have a dedicated funding and design ready to go for that not to take it back so you approve the question going to be for you guys to say Do you want to rush this thing forward or do you want to you know we can start the discussion and kind of waste some stuff Right there for you and not expect an answer to put on next week then We can we can start the discussion for okay So many other agenda items and anyone one dad? Yeah Let's see I didn't see it on here, but I'd like to get the conversation about the Class One e-mountain bikes on earlier this year. So maybe if we could get it in January, February. Good idea. You want to bring the poster board in to talk about that? Sure. That would be wonderful. Yeah. So you just bring, you'd ask them to show up and say, hey, here's the discussions they've had and here's their recommendation. Do you know what I mean? And invite public comment too because we get a lot of. I mean, I know the Post-Deport had multiple meetings on it, multiple lots of comments. Let's do that. And then on that issue, you know, the biggest issue for us is it's the coordination with Picking County and because our trails connect to their trails and right now We've said nothing soft because there's nothing in Picking County can bring a e-bike on soft and we've also got multiple Yeah, we'll sell the conversation. So what date you want to just pick a date for me 21st January 21st. Looks pretty open. Except, yeah, is that meaning? It's after Martin Luther King. Yeah. It's a Tuesday. It's a Tuesday, me, right? Yeah. Okay. We check with them and see if that works for poster or just go ahead and schedule it. I think we schedule it in a second so you can show up. So this is the request to allow class when you bike. Correct. Yeah. And then also, sometime mid-winter, I'd like to maybe have just a presentation of a more in-depth understanding of how the village shuttle routes are determined and mapped and just kind of look at if there need to be any updates, just changing demographics and usage and movement. I'd like a good understanding of how the routes are determined. More of a presentation just to understand how those are determined and yeah you guys take a look at yourselves on this you tell them when you want to set and tell me how that's them I think that's worth looking at what would you like to do that I think it could work in a work session. I don't know that it has to be a regular meeting. February 10th, work session. What's that? Yeah, okay. Anything else? I mean, just looking at the agenda overview, I do know I'm not going to be at the February 3rd meeting. OK. OK. Anything else on the consent agenda that anyone? Just there has been an update for the the delinquent solid waste trash accounts. You have an updated list before you so that would be the new attachment for people that have paid recently. Why not? And that applies to accounts that are under $500 as well or is there a limit to when it? Actually that for that one and I don't know that limits it. Some of these are under. Is that your question? Yeah, I was just curious about how delinquent do they have to get to you for this to apply? It depends on the first phase was curbside and they may have paid payments but they are not whole for the year. So there are some that are 203, I see the lowest. More of those are the annual fee and the second page is the homeowners fees and looking at those those are mostly the annual fee and some of them depending on when it closed last year may have had the fourth quarter of 2023 included in there which is why they're higher. Some people ask me who do they conducts people around the list who I told them to call Clint but who they can call they can call the public works department my department or they can call the finance department either one we want together. Okay any other questions about that? I, Megan, I sent you a few things on the minutes. So I received those. Thank you. Yep. And then on the Snowmass Club sewer line easement, I just wanted to clarify that the easement agreement is exhibit A, because it wasn't labeled as exhibithibit A but it referred to it so I just wanted to make sure that was Exhibit A. It's um, I'm just looking at the agenda. It's in the packet it It's linked to five F three. That would be yes, exhibit A to the resolution. Okay. No, that's fine. I mean, I assumed it was, but it didn't label it as such. Okay. Okay, if there's no more questions on the consent agenda, I would take a motion to approve. So moved. Sorry. I'll second. Great. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Any opposed? Wonderful. All right. We are now going to move on to public hearings. And we have a special review, the Oerhohave redevelopment. And I know Brian's coming up and I'm assuming someone from the applicant side is probably coming up to Chris. Maybe you. Okay, should I take it away? You can take it away. It's good to see you, Brian. All right. Thank you so much. Brian McNeil has Senior Planner for the town of Snowmass Village for the record. Happy to be in front of the new council today. Welcome to our new council member. So yes, this is the Eulerhof special review application. The Eulerhof restaurant they want to basically demolish the existing structure and redevelop a new restaurant. I'm sure all of you are very familiar with the Eulerhof where it's located, it's food, it's famous bloody marries, everything that goes along with it. But for anybody in the public or on the council that's not familiar, the Ulyahop is located at the base of the Big Burn ski area, actually just adjacent to the bottom terminal of the Big Burn ski lift. It was built in the late 1960s along with the opening and the operation of the ski mount. If you're familiar with the Eulerhof restaurant, you know, you know, possibly how antiquated it's become in recent years, and which that's the reason for the application here that you're reviewing. So the proposal is to replace the existing restaurant with a new menu in the same location essentially, utilizing roughly the same location essentially. Utilizing roughly the same footprint as well. So if you're looking at the current Muellerhof restaurant from the Big Burn Chairlift, the building is two stories. From that same viewpoint, it would actually be three stories. The existing building is approximately 10,000 square feet. The new building would essentially double in size at just under 20,000 square feet, the new building would essentially double in size at just under 20,000 square feet. Currently, the Euler Hof seats about 250 people. They would bump that up to a maximum of around 700 people. That's indoors and outdoors, right? Yeah, so that includes outdoor space as well, correct. So currently, the Euler Hof is cafeteria-style restaurant. They'd be bringing that same-style of service forward with the new restaurant. There be cafeteria style service on the main floor, bar service on the upper level and then down on the bottom level to employee caretaker units. It also includes some kitchen area, back-of-house stuff, and an employee locker room. So yes, this proposal and this redevelopment would require employee mitigation, much like you guys reviewed for Lynn Brett. Of course, this would be much bigger. We're talking upwards of 23 additional employees that have to be mitigated for. So in condition number three, and draft resolution 29 that you have in your packet kind of talks about the specifics of that if you're interested. Are we can kind of help you understand what that looks like here in our presentation. The request is well within the maximum allowed commercial allotment defined in the newly approved 2024 PUD guide that the town council recently approved. In terms of architecture, and this is something that the Planning Commission really did take a close look at, we're going back to more of a mountain style vernacular. Rush, we're talking about Ridge, Shed roofs, more of a mountain style character, something that's a little bit divergent from what was built, say, on Outcamp. So staff does support the proposal as it aligns with the goals of the comp plan and complies with the special review standards as identified in the STAB memo. As I mentioned, you have a draft resolution of Front of You, number 29, 2024. It is crafted in the affirmative based upon the recommendation from the Planning Commission. This is a public hearing. We request that you do allow members of the public to comment. If you have any comments, I believe the only written comment is what you guys have in front of you in a hard copy that just came in over the weekend. So with that, I know that the applicant, both Dana and Chris are here representing SkiCo, would like to do a presentation as well. Before I do that, do you have anything you want to add? Nothing additional this time. I can't remember if you did mention. There were some small changes and I'm sure the applicant will go over those between the planning commission hearing and this hearing. They resulted in a reduction in the size of the structure, the character, the architecture remained essentially the same. The number of stories remained essentially the same. The applicant will go over those changes. We did not feel it was prudent to go back at this time to planning commission. And that's based upon what we felt that the changes were amounting to the housing mitigation and the character of the architecture. So with that, I'll turn that over to the applicant. Great. Thank you. I'll do members of town council. Hi. Thanks for your attention. We'll just assess the rules of the regulations on the roll. Thanks. Thanks. Welcome. Hi. We're just going to register voice. Accessfully and also for the regulations on the floor. Thanks. Welcome. Thanks. Thank you. I'm here today with two student colleagues, Dana Bell, and I'm just going to see the project manager. The work's a long side of me. The planning and development department. For Aspen 1, Aspen Snowmass, Susan Cross, Snowmass Mountain Manager is also here with us. Susan manages all of the operations summer and winter at Snowmass and is present just about every single down in that I can possibly imagine. We're here, too, as Brian mentioned, bring forward the Eulerhof, which is a key piece of our 2022 snowmass mountain master development plan that was reviewed and approved by the town council in 2023. It continues a series of investments that we're excited about making in the mountain and in the resort. With two big pieces coming in just this season, the Coney Express Lift and the Lynn Brett, re now renamed the Cabin Project that we reviewed with you last year. Those are both in their final stages. And in fact, I get to share the great news that we're opening up the Coney Express Lift this Friday with a celebration this on Friday morning that we're eager to have you all join us at if you haven't received an invite you will be doing so shortly down at the at the base of the lift. At the top of the lift we're we're going to be proposing and describing a new restaurant that's been in the works for many, many years. Dana and I have been working on this along with Susan and our mountain operations team, steadily for two years to bring this design to you, working with town staff as well as with the Forest Service to talk about the design, the operation, and this one has been a long time, long, long time coming so it's a it's a good day to be here. With that I'll turn it over to Dana who will walk you through the project and the parameters. Thanks. Nice to be back again. Please use the microphone. Yes, thank you. Dana Dullabeta with Aspen's Key Company. Thanks for having us tonight and thanks to town staff for getting us on the agenda so quickly again, before the end of the year. Appreciate it. So here today again to talk about the Euler Hof and the redevelopment. So we'll go through the project need and the existing conditions of the facility, the alignment with the master plan that proposed design of the project, the employee mitigation requirements, and how we propose to provide those, and then a project timeline to the best of our knowledge at this point. So right now again, as Brian mentioned, the new restaurant is quite a bit larger than the existing facility. And really that's in response to the seating shortage that most of the team here heard about during the master Development Plan review in last fall. So we are generally short upwards of 700 seats, depending on skier growth, and we're short roughly 400 seats within the Big Burn skiing pod alone. So we like to think of the ski area skiing in three separate pods. There's obviously the Big Burn pod. There's the Elk Camp pod, and then there's the Elpine Springs pod. And in Elk Camp and Elpine Springs, we have fairly large high volume restaurant facilities already, whereas in the Big Burn we're quite underserved. So the larger size of this project is really to respond to the demand that we see during peak periods. This is the existing Eulerhof. Again, roughly 350 seats indoors and outdoors. It was developed alongside the ski area. It's been heavily modified since this picture, which was in the 80s, that the Forest Service dug out for us. And it's functionally inadequate. It does not meet modern building codes. It's not conducive to a great guest experience in that you can see this poor lady trying to go downstairs to use the restrooms. That is not ideal. And the whole facility just doesn't really present the face that we're looking to for an Asponsnomass guest experience. It is renowned for its guest service. So even though the physical facility is a little bit outdated, the guest service is what people really talk about when they think about the Eulerhoff. So this redevelopment really looks to try to distribute the skiers across the mountain a little bit better. So right now, because this is a bit of less than ideal experience, it pushes guests to elk camp and to high alpine. In higher numbers, then would distribute them equally across the mountain. And so that leads to even more crowding at those facilities during peak periods. So we're trying to solve those problems with this redevelopment. In terms of a site plan, as Brian mentioned, we are utilizing the same site as the existing facility. We studied as long ago as when the Big Burn was being replaced alternate locations for the restaurant facility and decided that because of the locations that the skiers are coming from and trying to go to, that really the existing location was ideal. So we tried to use the existing footprint as much as we could. It's, I apologize as soon as you mentioned, the footprint I should have had existing to proposed site plan in here, but it's largely a very similar footprint to the existing facility, and we're gaining the majority of the increased square footage by expanding the very lowest level in the Bucke house and by adding the third floor. So by using that existing ski or circulation and site plan, we're able to still allow the majority of the access to come from the Big Burn ski lift. We also are excited that the new kind of third level of the facility will allow guests to access right at grade from the lunchline catwalk. So right now people can access the restaurant from that location. They have to walk downstairs. And so this will provide at grade access to the upper level. And then when skiers leave, they can ski to the big burn lift. It's at an elevation that will allow them to get over to the Tressel Bridge, which is always a bit tricky. Or again, they can leave via the lunchline catwalk as well. The service access remains on the north side of the building, where it is right now. So this red button here. So right in there. And so that's where all of the cat functions bringing in food and picking up trash will continue to remain. And all of our utilities as well will come in through that northern access. As far as the overall design and mass and scale our architect is new to Aspen's keen company and to this area I think but well-versed in a ski area architecture, Bulls Doc Well and Alan they've worked at ski resorts across the northwest and just recently finished some projects over at Copper Mountain as well So they understand mountain architecture and and cold weather design design workshop is our local landscape architect Who again has done quite a bit of work for us on the mountain all four ski areas Just to make sure we're clear this design is also under the purview of the US Forest Service And it's still within that design review process So they have the ability to still ask us to make minor changes. They have reviewed what you're seeing here today and are generally pleased with the character and the look and feel of the facility, but that process is not complete yet. So that's still open. So as Brian mentioned, we're going with a bit more of a kind of timeless design, give a roof. It's a bit more aligned a kind of timeless design. Gave a roof. It's a bit more aligned with other facilities in the Big Burn pod, including SAMS. The building is all electric, which is our first on-mountain restaurant to be all electric. So we're excited about that. And we've put a large focus on designing the building envelope to be as efficient as possible. So we are designing to meet 2021 or exceed 2021 IECC, even though that's not necessarily the code in the town quite yet. It's built into the hillside, another good reason to try to utilize the existing site in an effort to minimize the mass and scale of the facility, but still allowing us to meet the program goals, which more than double the existing facility. And then as we talked about, this gear circulation patterns do not change. So most guests should be pretty familiar in terms of how to access the facility. We're not going to get too deep into the interior floor plans, but just to give you some reference. So we're looking at upwards of 725 seats is the maximum that we would provide, 450 indoors and 270 outdoors. In this facility in particular, we're trying to be really mindful about the outdoor seating and providing a lot of covered outdoor seating so that in real peak periods, it can be more functional than necessarily some of our open-air decks that right now are not that comfortable to sit in when it's snowing out. So that's where the outdoor seat count really is higher than some of our other facilities. Three levels, so the lowest level is not on this slide, but that's all back of house. So there's a prep kitchen, the loading receiving areas, team member facilities, locker rooms, bathrooms, and then two of the caretaker units that'll partially serve to mitigate the employee housing requirements and then level. Before you go on, can you explain how you're serving the food? Brian said cafeteria, but I don't see a cafeteria lab. It's a bit different than our typical cafeteria restaurant. So when guests walk in the door, so the primary entrance and the primary access from the burn side will be through these primary doors. And we're trying to lean on kind of non-ski area technology and different people being more used to ordering online and ordering ahead or ordering via kiosks. So we'll have a number of kiosks both at the entrance of the building and throughout the building. And then we have a new point of sale system that will allow you to just order it by your phone like you do with a lot of facilities, right, sure thing burger or anything. So primarily we're leading on technology for the ordering. And then there's a pickup zone in here where essentially you'll get a number, you'll get a tax that says your order is ready, it's in bay five, and you'll go pick up your tray with everybody's food and go over to sit down at the table. We're hoping it's a better guest experience, right, than kind of wandering through the cafeteria with your whole family and trying to get everybody together and then checked out. So you could go get a table first, sit down, order, and then only get up when your food is ready. So it's different than our other facilities. And that's intentional because A, we're trying to diversify the types of food offerings that we have at all the different facilities, right? So, Lcamp is known for its rotisserie chicken, for pizza, for its pizza. This location will hopefully be known for its burger, which it is now, and will be the primary food service moving forward to. So this ordering thing just gives guests another option of what they want their experience to be. And they'll be able to order from kiosks inside and outside as well as right now or just inside, but they can order from their phone. And then can they order from a live person inside? There will be one live cashier if they're not familiar with how to use the P.S. Yeah. So on this first level, as well, we have guest services, obviously, restrooms, right at grades. You're not having to walk up and downstairs. And then we have this space here as a general store. And the intent of that, again, we're really trying to make sure we capture these peak demand periods. And so this will allow during those real busy times when you don't want to wait for a meal to come out. You can go and grab a sandwich or grab a drink, grab a cup of coffee, and be on your way much quicker than having to wait through the whole ordering process. And then upstairs, again the access is via the lunch line catwalk. So there's a kind of covered entry and then an entrance vestibule. There's a small lounge area. There's a large bar so that Craig and his team can continue to serve the bloody marries. The bar has a very limited amount of food service, basically a hot case. So that again, if you want a different food opportunity, you've got the option to go upstairs and get something super quick. We also have an outdoor grill that'll be on that upper level, and that will hopefully be open during more periods than some of our other outdoor grills, because it's an enclosed covered space that will be easier to set up and tear down on a daily basis. But where's the outdoor grill? It's in this lower corner right here. Okay. So you'll walk up, that'll be food truck style, almost similar to what we just did at Winbricht cabin. And then that'll serve all the outdoor deck seating that's on this upper level here. Material palette, this comes into some of the colors and how we hope that the building will blend into the adjacent landscape. The materials are a mix of materials stone and cement board siding. We chose the materials primarily to be kind of fire-wise in construction. So in class A, asphalt roof using Nietzsche Ha, which I don't know how to say very well, but that's another product that is very fire resistant and other cement board materials, a stone base that the whole facility kind of sits on. And then obviously the primary structure is a heavy timber that will be this more natural wood color. Dan, can you tell them which orientation we're looking at? Sure. So this is the east orientation facing the Big Burn lift. So in this elevation, you can see the employee entrance. You can see the entrance into the employee caretaker units. And then this will be at grade level for guests to enter into this level one. So there's no longer any access on the lower level to bathrooms or? Correct, yeah. There's no guest facing space in those lower levels anymore, a lower level. Because the bathrooms have gone upstairs. Yeah, bathrooms at grade with the dining room. Again, this is under review through the US Forest, what they call the built environment image guide, BE-E-I-G process, but they've seen this and they're generally receptive to what we've put forward. Landscaping, obviously the kind of expanded footprint will result in some net loss of trees. So the primary expansion that will lose trees on is this western elevation along the lunchline catwalk because we are building into the hillside and that hillside has a number of existing aspen trees. So we will see a loss of trees there. We are not proceeding though with a one-for-one replacement in part because that's not how the U.S. Forest Service would prefer that we proceed in part because skier circulation would make it very difficult to kind of safely add as many trees as what we're taking out. And then in part because we're trying to be fire-wise in our construction. So we're maintaining this 10-foot buffer, which is the red dash line all the way around the facility where we're not going to do any vegetation. And then we're adding some trees where we want to screen some key areas or try to direct guests away from areas that are no longer accessible to them right from this lower level they don't have any need to go down there so these trees will hopefully drive them into the front entrance. What kind of trees? Primarily aspen trees and some evergreens. As Chris already mentioned and Brian as well, we are consistent with what was presented for the 2024 master development plan. And we feel as well aligned with the town of Somas Village Comprehensive Plan in terms of providing an additional kind of best in class experience that's really aligned with trying to create this leading multi-season resort at Snowmass. The new facility is within the commercial square footage requirements and the height limitation for commercial facilities and then we are not proposing any change to the allowable operations in use. So operation activities in use is allowed all year. Operations of restaurants, night operations of unmotten restaurants and special events. All of those are consistent with the master plan, as already presented. And then the size is also consistent, if not a bit smaller than what we had represented within the master plan, because we talked about an expansion of 28,000 square feet, and we're well under that right now. As Dave mentioned, we are kind of still in the process of design. So we've made a few minor changes to the building footprint and the elevations in the design since this came forward to planning commission. It was in large part in response to trying to manage to a budget that we had already kind of established and trying to maintain the overall character and size and function of this space. But look for places where we could be more efficient in the construction. So on the left hand side you can see what was presented at Planning Commission. In this top view is the view from the lunch line catwalk. And this bottom view is the view as you're skiing down from the burn. And then on the right hand side, you can see where we're at right now. So we've modified the entrance from the lunch line catwalk. We feel like it's more appropriate in scale and nature than what it was previously. And what this rendering is not showing is we've relocated the outdoor grill, which previously was on this main level to the upper level corner. So there is another rendering that shows that a little bit better. But that was in part to try to continue to vertically stack the building and utilize the foundations that we were already having to build down below. But again, we actually feel like functionally it's superior to having it on this lower level because there is so much food service offered on the lower level and this will really provide a reason for people to go upstairs and sit up in those areas. So the skylights that are on the left and you mentioned in your application, those are the ones exceed the height limit. You've eliminated those. We've eliminated those. Yep. Yep. Employee mitigation. This table just basically kind of takes you through the calculation as per the code. So there's roughly 19,000 square feet of commercial floor area that needs to be mitigated. So essentially, we go through the whole calculation. So a number of employees applicable to housing mitigation, we use the ski area calculation in terms of employee generation because it's most close to how the facility will actually operate. So that gets you to 42 employees based on the requirement to mitigate for 60% of the total employees generated. And then because we are a redevelopment, we've taken the redevelopment credit, again, per the town code. So that leads us with 23.3 employees to mitigate for is a net increase in employees, which then if you play that out to the number of square feet per employee, roughly 10,000 square feet, we are providing two caretaker units on site for a total square footage of roughly 1,100 square feet, which leads us to about 9,300 square feet of housing we have to provide off site. When we came in front of you for Lynn Brayt, we mentioned that we had a project kind of on the books at the divide called the Shop Housing Project. Now you've seen that. I think at least once in a joint planning session and that's been submitted for a PUD amendment. So when that is completed that will fulfill the balance of the environment for the Euler off. Questions on how we got to that math? If staff improved it, I'm OK. Yeah, we check the math. Yeah. It's per the code. There is one element that we'd like to ask for discussion relative to what was presented in the resolution. At Lynn Britt, we submitted a letter of credit at the time of building permit submission, which guaranteed the housing to be provided by three years after the completion of the project. In this case, we're asking to instead tie that letter of credit to a certificate of occupancy for the Eulerhof. And that's because we have this active land use application in play. We're committed to providing the housing in physical form versus a cash in lieu and we feel like the housing's not needed until obviously the restaurant and the facility is open. So providing that letter of credit as a condition of approval for CO if the housing is not complete because it's our intent to have it complete feels appropriate to us. So I just want to be clear you're saying there will be a letter of credit until there's a COO for this or for shop. So essentially we would only provide the letter of credit if the housing is not completed by the time we ask for a COO for this facility. So it's our intent to have that housing complete by the time we go for a certificate of occupancy for this facility. But if it's not complete, then we'll put up the letter. And just as a matter of clarity with Lynn Bray, you may remember that we require that letter of credit at the time of building permits issuance. And you know, with floor area excise tax and everything. I mean that's typically the way our department operates is when we make sure that we get that money prior to issuing a building permit for any given building. If I could add one more point, the letter of credit provides security for providing the housing. Right. In the event the housing isn't provided within three years, the town can draw on the letter of credit those funds. So that's kind of, that's the trigger on the letter of credit. Well, I think it makes sense because they only the housing to live a CFO and unlike Lynn Brett, there was a few workers here. It's a lot of workers. It's much bigger amount of money in a letter of credit. I'm okay with that, but I defer to our account and I'm still. Well, I was going to, I just wanted to remember how many, what was the square footage from Glenbred that was required and what's the whole square footage of the shop, so we kind of know how much work. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, thank you. From a monetary standpoint, we're talking about the difference of about $10 million. So in terms of a letter of credit. Right. But what I meant was just how much of the shop housing is going to be used by this application and by the cabin. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have those numbers at the top of my mind, but we have spoken with Heather Henry to confirm that both projects can be mitigated for yeah I couldn't remember 23 the 23 employees correct. Well, it would be 23 less the two on site plus I believe That's correct. Yeah, so people at Lynn Britt that way. Yeah, I couldn't remember what how many were at Lynn Britt Susan at Lynn Britt the mitigation requirement is 1452 square feet 3.59 employees. Okay. Sorry, 3.2 employees, excuse me. Okay, thanks. Just last item that I have and then we can open it up for question or discussion. It's just the timeline. So right now we're in front of you, obviously, for the special review process. We are also underway for the environmental review process with the US Forest Service, the NEPA review. Once that's complete, then we can jump into the BEIG, which is the official design review process. Again, the Forest Service, because of our timeline, has agreed to review and comment on it in advance of the NEPA being approved and they are generally supportive of the project. But that will happen following the NEPA decision being issued, which at this point is looking like it will be in early 2025. Sorry, Norris. We will be looking to submit for a building permit in 2025, likely February, so that we can start construction in May of 25. Thank you. And then we'll work through May 2025. Right now we're in discussions with the contractor in terms of what's going to be most efficient, whether there's going to be a very small crew working during the winter season, or if we just work from the spring into the beginning of the winter season in 25, and then restart again in 26 with a goal of opening in November of 2026. Must be difficult getting construction materials up there in the winter. Yes. People you can get there, but yeah. Yes, yeah. And so when it's under construction, there's going to be nothing. There'll be no correct. Yep. And that was part of the reason why we pushed forward with Lynn Brit was to provide some additional on-mountain seating to supplement the loss of seating at the Eurhof. Oh, that was long ago. And that was one way to restrooms and correct. So the entire facility is going to be in an upper pool during that time? Correct. Yeah, the entire facility will be demolished when we start construction. There's nothing that can be demolished. Is there any possibility of getting some of those tent kind of structures that you have there as a warming structure? is a warming structure. I mean, there's a lot of... Like the one that was there during COVID? Yeah, there's a lot of skiers in the area. And if they're really cold, there's no place to go. Is that possible? Maybe not surf food, but at least some place to go in and warm up. We weren't able to get the Forest Service to allow us to keep one of the warming structures up at the high alpine for an additional couple of years in anticipation of this construction project, but they wanted us to remove the one at the Big Burn location, both of those are on Forest Service Land. As Dana mentioned, we went ahead with the Linnbret so that we've got an easy, accessible route with some expanded facilities including bathrooms During this construction. We're also working with our F&B team to try to think of some creative opportunities for pop-up or other Fist concerns about cold skiers you have thousands of skiers on the burn and and they can't get any place from there You know to warm up. Well, up for pizzas. Like this. Well, it's tiny. And just bathrooms. I mean, I really think that's kind of just a, yeah, bathroom is made in there. The sun shall pit stop for people doing burn runs and you have to go pretty far out of your way to. Yeah. I don't know why the four service ones, you keep one those up temporarily during construction just the one in the winter? Is it something you could go back to them on? I think we could certainly discuss it with them. I would be we would have to review kind of a site and a footprint that wouldn't impact other skier circulation. And then we could also follow up with our facilities team in terms of a temporary restroom type structure Those can be challenging to keep running during winter conditions And we obviously wouldn't want to provide a deteriorated guest experience, right? But we could have those discussions. Yeah That's all I have for my presentation. I can go back and look at any slide that you'd like to or. Thank you. I mean, I think anyone that's been in the Ullarhof knows that it definitely needs some love. Yeah. Questions? Yeah. Brian, could you put up the drawings that were part of our package? Oh, yeah. Can you give me a minute? Yeah. Would you prefer, I can pull them up too, Brian. See who can get to them first. Okay. Elevations or? Yeah, let's look at the renderings. Okay. They say ones that we saw. Okay. So I think you explain what there's a discrepancy about the deck on the Southwest corner. That's where the outdoor grill has gone. It's in some of these renderings not in the others. Yes, yeah, apologize for that. Let me pull up one that has it. So this is what's been proposed now. Correct. Yep, correct. All right. Can you show us the view from the east? Sure. So this view here, we can go to it in standard elevation. Yeah, let's hold that one right there. I'm tough to run to see, but my concern, you know, you guys have said very high bar in terms of design quality on the mountain. I mean, we did it. It sand was great and El Camp was great. This building's a little ungainly. You know, it's not. It's large. You know, speaking frankly, I don't think it's at the same design quality of those other ones. One of the things I was looking at it is that roof that you see there is really massive. I believe it's about 17 feet high from the eve to the peak of the roof. And unfortunately, most of the diners will never experience that roof because they're in the lower level. Right. I wonder if that roof could be lowered a little bit, which might help. It's a pretty overwhelming building, particularly we see from the side or from the north side. I wonder if you could look at bringing that down a little bit. It's a huge roof for a very small amount of floor area, but it really has a big impact on its impact. Visual impact is part of the ski area. I mean, they're on the north side, my ass. This is not necessarily a view that a skier will experience. They'll have to be looking behind them and then the landscape plan represented trees in this general zone. Right. This is all the way down to the loading dock insurance. So guests won't be seeing that. In addition, and your point is well taken, but the roof is such so that it really does open up the space inside. And the second upper bar level is not a full length of the building footprint, part of the dining the lower. I know, there's no company. It's really gonna create a very grand space inside with sweeping views. If you lowered it four feet, it would still be a grand space, but it might reduce, I mean, that's pretty impactful as you look at that. I mean, the roof on the left, and it's just gonna be asphalt shingles. Yeah. I mean, it's a major design element and I find it a little overscaled throughf is overscaled. I don't know how other people feel about it, but that's sort of my view. That's why you're here. Because you can, you know these things more so than we do. We have over time tried to lessen the pitch of the roof. It was steeper initially and then we were obviously over our height limit because we're quite close right now. We were trying to avoid making the facility feel too squatty for lack of a technical term and further reduce the steepness. I understand why I just think it's overscaled. It just doesn't feel right to me. That's it? Yeah, I mean, I definitely hear what you're saying. I think I like the shape and the structure and the feel of it, but I like to be it slightly squatterier. That's a turn. Dana, do you mind showing the other animations? One of the really interesting things about this building is that it presents itself differently from the Ford and the elevations. The largest one is, as Dana pointed out, the one that is going to be the least visible because it's kind of in people's rear view. Yeah, going down the elevation from lunch line. And as you come down, down I mean this is quite attractive But you know again, it's a big roof sitting back there When I picture it from the perspective of the lift to yeah, most people see it from the left side And I would agree that the asphalt shingle is maybe Also the it's just not the most beautiful thing to look at and perhaps a bit dark. So I don't know if there's any alternatives that have been looked at and they might be more expensive. Okay. Okay. Did you have more comments? That was really it. What did you have other comments you wanted to bring up? This is just a general comment for all structures that accommodate public use. When I look at the bathrooms, I just, that's an issue on the mountain for women. Yep. And the mountain and ballpark and anywhere. It's challenging to stand in the lines. You've got the kids going in with you. It just is an issue. Not having a good space to stand outside in the line. And perhaps the women's bathroom should just be larger than the men's. I feel that way when I'm in most facilities, standing in the long line when the men are. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I appreciate, and I understand, because I was looking at how they've put together. And I can see how it's necessary to kind of line them up for plumbing and whatnot. But whenever possible, if the women's bathroom could be larger or accommodate more receptacles than the men's, I think that is really a user experience that is noticeable. Yes, yeah. And the architect tried to exceed code with their plumbing fixtures. We actually looked at, again, when we looked at the opportunities to save some dollars in construction costs, we kind of looked everywhere from soup to nuts and we did look at an option where we reduced the size of the bathrooms and only strictly met code and we said no, this is an important guest service. It needs to, you know, be sized to provide enough facilities for the number of people that we're going to have here. and so we ended up keeping that the same size as previously. We also have a number of restrooms upstairs which is not ideal but if you enter from that lunchline side you're going to have that as option. I think that's helpful to have that additional option. Number of fixtures, yeah. I mean that store room that eats into the ladies restroom that enters from the outside. I don't know what it is. Is there any way to make that smaller and get some more stalls in there? Most certainly. Yep. Our movement to some other area. Yeah. Yeah. That would help. Yeah. I should double count, but as I count number of fixtures on this main level bathroom there are more women's there are than men's fi as a result of our read know, he can never have always. Right. And we have a family which is hard to make out but I notice that too. That will certainly be you know, a lot of times women are the ones taking to three kids at a time. Yeah. Just a more standing space, even. So the line's not coming out close on. Yeah, I mean, skiing is very obvious. Right. The challenge it can be. Yeah. And just on British point, I mean, they're all between the corridor and the restroom entry, right, at the top. Yeah. I mean, there's that little stubble. I wonder if you could take that out and you have been a lot easier for the women and stand in line in that being the line for the men's room. Having to wrap around. Yeah, I think some of that is screening of the entrances, but certainly we could pull that back. We also try to make it easy for guests to enter if they just needed to use the restroom right so there's several entrants vestibule there as well. But we can find another place to store the snow blower. I mean that would help. And size, yeah, certainly. If you oversize the ladies' restroom, you'll be yours forever. Yeah. At least without the population. Yeah. British, you have any other comments? No, I think they explain all the service and skier entrance questions that I was. I just have a question. Sort of my general, just first impression, was it seemed big? Because it is a lot bigger than the current building. And in some of the, your application, there was wording that says, keep the warmth, friendliness, and general generational history, which I think sounds great, but I wonder how are you planning to do that? How does this do that? And could we make sure we incorporate even more if we can? Sure, yeah, I think first in terms of the warmth in the interior environment is the selection to go with a heavy timber and cross-laminated timber structure. So there'll be almost entirely wood finishes on the interior. Second, even though it is a very large space, we're trying to kind of create these smaller zones within it. So you don't see within your packet the furniture plan, but there's certain elements of furniture that start to break up kind of one primary dining room from a second one, and then a third dining room that can entirely be closed off, so it doesn't always feel so gigantic if it's empty at the end of the day, right? And then third, we're really trying to push our interior designers to kind of focus on the heritage of the space. So we have this large gallery wall on the north gable end that's entirely intended to be photos and the old Eulerhof sign and just old pictures of the facility from back in the day. So trying to maintain the history of the facility. And then upstairs the bar and lounge with a bit more soft seating than we might typically do in other bars that we have. Again, to try to create this kind of cosier, smaller scale atmosphere. We have a fireplace upstairs in the lounge that you can gather around. So trying to create these individual, smaller experiences within the larger space is how we're trying to maintain that even though it's very large. I mean, when you think about it, we're really trying to create another high alpine, right? It's of the scale and size of those number of seats and that's a lot of people. Yeah, yeah. Well, and it sounds like some of the food options will be reminiscent of the current. Yep, yep. It'll be primarily focused on the burger, which is what they're known for now. Um, who's injured you have any other? No, that's all. Is that lady have any? Um, apologies if I missed this, but are you guys intending to keep the name? Yes. Yep. All right. I don't keep the name? Yes. Yep. All right. I don't make people happy. Yes. Yes. Because people will call at that anyways. But I don't make them happy. I don't make them happy. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's nice that you will be level with lunch line because I, you know, now when you pull in on that side and you have to go down those steps and it can be daunting so when they come down those steps they're or go through they're at the bar. Correct. So if they want food service then they're going down. Correct. And again the hope is if you come in at that upper level and you find a table you can order and not go downstairs so your food's ready to bring up. Oh okay. Okay. you can order and not go downstairs so your food's ready to bring up. Okay. So the lowest, like right now, if you skied into the bathrooms at the Ullarhof, then you're kind of like on that ledge and then it goes down to the lift. This building, you still are going down that little hill to the lift or is the building physically sitting like lower on grade with the lift? No, the main level is sitting a bit or sorry the level zero is sitting lower And then the main level is sitting at grade if you were skiing to the deck of the existing you are offoff, where a couple of feet higher than that, just because our floor to floor heights have increased from the existing facility to account for mechanical routing in particular. But you will ski kind of into, trying to find, good site plan. You'll ski into that main level where most of the guest services are and then that bench area that you're speaking of right now is kind of partially re-graded but it's no longer areas that a guest would be in. So is the main level of the new building approximately the main level of the existing building? It's approximately three feet higher. The new ones three feet higher. Yep. Yep. Okay. Okay. So previously if the guest was just trying to come to the restroom they would have a pretty tough time getting like to trussle per se, right? Whereas now if they're coming to use the restroom off of the main level, they can ski. Yeah, that will help. Yeah. How about, since we all know the mountain, will it be more difficult to get there for whispering Jesse? I don't think so. Not that I can for any reason. I guess you'll be having to kind of keep a little bit more speed to get to that very upper level point. Yeah. Cause you're three feet higher. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I wanna talk about the seating a little bit in terms of the number of seats. So is this the same pod that consists of Lynn Brit or is Lynn Brit a different pod? No, we consider that part of the same pod. Okay, yes. So when the seating for this was taken into account, did you also take into account the increase in the number of Lynn Brit? We did. Yes. So this is needed on top of that increased amount because it just seems like an insane amount of seats. Yes, we did take into account both the added seats at Lynn Brit and these seats and we're also trying to think forward to future growth right and our kind of annual year over year, skier growth. So this builds in capacity for that growth over the term of the master plan. Okay. Which is how long? I mean how far are you looking? 15 years. 10 to 15 years. Yeah. 10 to 15 years. And Dana made a point earlier that is worth reiterating. We also think that with it appropriately sized and an updated facility that we're going to pull some of the skier traffic, lunch on traffic from El Camp in High Alpine that goes there intentionally and is putting a lot of pressure on those facilities and we're limited in our ability to expand those. Although we've got some ideas that we talked about in the master plan for Elk Camp for expanding deck. There's only so much more we can do. So we think that this is going to rebalance across those three primary pods of the mountain. Do you feel like, I mean, I think Elk Camp for many reasons is one of the more challenging places to stop for lunch. I mean, you have all the foot traffic that are coming up, you know, to do the coaster and everything, and you have all the beginners and, you know, there's a lot. But I mean, there are lessons learned from that restaurant that you've taken to do the seating here, because I think the seating at that restaurant is incredibly challenging. There's a lot of seats that go on use but partially you just can't see the seats. Yeah I mean I think that's unique in how they set up that dining room to be so efficient. I mean I think the first and primary lesson learned from El Camp is you should have built it bigger the first time around. Right and then the secondary option is that people need different varieties of seats so that you get a better utilization. So this restaurant has a good mix of two tops and four tops and tables that are pushed together that you could break apart and should hopefully be more flexible than how Lcamp is set up on a daily basis. That's will be I think very helpful. So is that you talked about like the general store you called it? Yep. Is that similar to when you when in the old Sam's when you used to walk in on the right and you could go and you could grab something? Yep. Similar to that. Yep. Yeah. That was really nice. A number of cold cases so cold beverages. It'll have a coffee shop that you can both get self-serve and barista style beverages. It'll have a coffee shop that you can both get self-serve and barista-style coffee. We'll have a small little turbochef oven that you can warm up, you know, little sandwiches and things like that. So it's intended to be a real quick kind of pop-in, pop-out, get back on the hill. So it's not a sort of place to buy merchandise? Well, cell hats and you know, handwormers and sunscreen and those sorts of things in there as well. Yeah, that's the only place those elements will be sold But you could theoretically just go grab coffee or grab soup or something and then go grab your skittles. Yeah No, that's good. I thought that was a nice feature at Sam's that when they rebuilt it obviously. Went away, right? Yeah, and it allows us to kind of flex over the course of the day, right? So in the morning, maybe the general store is open when people are coming in and they just want to relax and have coffee and a portion of the dining room is closed off. You can use only a certain number of the seats and then in the middle of the day, everything is open and available, and then when you go later in the day, maybe just the bar is open and you can get food from the grill or from the hot case of the bar. So it allows us to flow through the day with where guests want to be. That's great. And so the height, is it still almost 65 feet? Or snow because of the skylight? It's 64 foot 11 right now. And what else like L-camps and high alpine? That I could not answer but I could follow up with Brian. I was just curious. I was trying to like it helps me to look at this. This is an additional level above L-camps, right? High alpine. Similar to high higher. High alpine would be better at comparison but I don't know off the top of my head. Okay, that's fine. The other question I had is, you know, the lower level where the bathrooms are now, like it is very smelly, is that gonna be rectified? Yes. I'm so glad you could say recreated. The style just... It's part of the history. Is this going to cure whatever the issue is there? Oh gosh, to the best of our ability, yes, it will. We are going to replace the grease trap and we will be up sizing the sewer line and tying back into the new, the existing main that's in the road up hill of the Yulahaf or downhill, sorry. I would say that that smell and that challenge is a nemesis of myself and everyone on the facilities team because sometimes it happens due to a cause because plumbing is kind of outdated and not working properly. Sometimes it happens because there's a construction issue. Sometimes it happens because the air pressure is inverted and the sewer gases are not effectively being carried away. So, but yes, it should be fixed. Just chime in on that issue, being someone who uphills a lot and going right underneath outcamp. There are some things going on there too. And I just, just making sure that that doesn't get repeated again. I don't know if there's a sewer line out of there. There is a sewer line down funnel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're well aware of the outcamp issue and that's short term, medium term and long term. We've trying to put some incremental solutions in place. Great. If there's no other comments we can open up for public comment? I have one more question about just one is just a comment just to say that it's and I'm sure that you're going through this process with the Forest Service but during construction, just voicing that it's really important to be as minimally impactful to the wildlife and everything that will be in that area especially in the summer but the second question as a someone who loves the cross mountain trail just expressing a hope that it's actually historically been very confusing to get through that area. So perhaps like taking the steps to make that part of the trail clearer and prior to construction. So that it's something that can be utilized and doesn't have to be completely off unusable for the year that that's under construction. Yep. that's unusable for the year that that's under construction. Yeah, we already have a proposed reroute with the Forest Service. That's actually accessed kind of further uphill on the road than where you get to it right now. And that will go a couple of switchbacks through the Aspen trees there that will connect you over to Tressel Bridge again. We're still discussing with the Forest Service whether the temporary rerout during construction will also become the permanent relocation just because the new building does extend. It was quite close to the old building. So we do need to permanently rerout it as well. But I think that in part might be evaluated once we see how it works during the temporary relocation. Great. Thank you. Okay, good. Any public comment? The hordes of people here. Lots of people. We did receive an email over the weekend regarding, I don't know if you guys all read it, but But it was primarily talking about the bulk of the building. And maybe the sizing wasn't the best. Affordable food. Yeah, affordable food. Add that to the list. Okay. Please a local favorite. Yes. All right, no public comment. So we do have a resolution. And, I don't know if everybody took a look at that. I did have... If I might, Mr. Kahneman, just to the applicants request for the cash and lieu for the letter of credit, we just got it tonight at the same time you did. But that'd be fine with us, but we should probably be at temporary CO, not CO at TCO, because the TCO comes out way before the CO does, but it's still after building permit. Sure. That's premise of that idea is acceptable. Okay. Yes. Thank you. permit sure yeah that's premise of that that idea is acceptable okay yes thank you very see you know okay in line starting in line 47 it says the town council held a public caring on October 16th I don't think that was us. Because we don't meet on the 16th. No planning commission. It was a Wednesday, I think. So I think it just needs to be changed to planning commission. I'll double check that. Thank you. Well, I had to demolish and construct. So do we need to, when we make the motion, we need to... I have a few other things. I mean, if there's any other changes you'd like to include in the rezo. So, the new issue about employee housing and the letter of credit that needs to be changed correct. If the council has come to vote that we can take that as a modification to make to take direction to modify the language for a TCO rather than building permit. Beyond condition number three line 137. I'm sorry. Condition number three line 137. We just changed that out from building permit to temporary. Temperature. Pretty CO. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And sorry, that comes before the building permit. Yeah. Now, the building permit is when they start construction. And then normally they get a TCO when they're close to ending. Okay. And they don't get the CO until they're done. Everything. But he can actually operate with a TCO. So yeah. TCOs people can operate the TCO for a long time. And so I agree. It's the way to do it. I would like to add some conditions. I assume these are all the conditions we're in the playing commission, right? That's correct. Yeah. I like to add something that the applicant will study the height of the main roof and look at possibly reducing it. And I don't know how we motivate them to do that. Do we need them to come back and show it to us or something? It depends on you all, but I mean, I think if you just make that, I mean, just having sa... Well, I would recommend that you just say the applicant make the roof as low as possible. And then if they come back and say, we can't do it for these X reasons, here's why. Well, I don't want to tell them that they have to lower it, but I would like to encourage them to really study it hard, because I think they'd be happier, and also cost them less money. All good reason. I think the building would just look better, a little bit lower. And I'd like to also pick up the comment we had about the ladies' restroom, that we're going to look at expanding a few more stalls in the ladies' restroom. And possibly a better accommodating and potential line outside of the ladies' restroom. Sure. Yeah. What about the asphalt shingle roof? Was it you that said look at alternatives? I didn't say that I think. That's later. Yeah. I mean, I understand there's not a lot of, it's the adverts of DaVinci type product. There's only two things he can do. The DaVinci is a lot more expensive, clearly. It looks better. But has anybody reviewed what Chingle they're talking about or just the concept of an asphalt chingle? Has that been shown to planning commission? No, it didn't bring any physical examples. It is like a very prominent feature. He's of that structure that will be seen from people who lift and around the mountain. So more so skeen down. Worst just investigating if there's alternatives. I mean, do we want to have a presentation of the final materials? Or are we just, we haven't really seen what any of it looks like other than what type of material it is. I think it might be, it's a pretty important building. Maybe we should have a, it's conditional on a review of the exterior materials. Well, we'd also be happy to spend more time tonight. I mean, we've got the material palette is defined. Okay. And what's been submitted to the Forest Service. Well, then maybe let's get all these any other conditions on. Then let's look at that in more detail. Yeah. All right. So we have the height of the roof, the ladies' restroom, possibly the roof material, depending on what we discussed with you guys, any other conditions, aside from the ones that are already in here. Okay. All right, let's look at exterior materials in more detail. And I think it would also be fine if we want to come back with physical samples. It just might make you feel a bit more comfortable that you could see the difference between the various textures. Or even colored rendering with the accurate. That's what I'm feeling like a coloring rendering. Yeah. Sure. Yep. Yeah. Sure. Yep. OK. Why don't we just make it a condition that you come back and present to us and get our approval on the final materials, exterior materials? OK. So that's three additional conditions. And I think that should happen after the Forest Service has approved it, Sure. Probably. Yeah. Just to make sure that we're looking at what they're going to want to see. Okay. Okay. So do we want to motion with those three additional conditions? What I heard was some of you could make a motion to approve Resolution, series of 2024 with several amendments in additional conditions. One would be a change to require that the Affordable Housing Mitigation Letter of Credit be provided by the temporary certificate of occupancy instead of building permit. There would be a date correction in line 41 that line 15 also be corrected with respect to the constructs and then the additional conditions would be to study the roof height for possibly reducing it to explore expanding the women's restroom and accommodating the lines and finally a condition the approval would be conditioned on final architectural review and approval by the town council. Other exterior materials. Six-year materials. On the ladies' room, did you mention additional stalls, additional capacity? Is that an expanding one in the restroom and accommodating wine? Okay. Maybe expanding for additional capacity. With additional capacity. With additional capacity. Yeah. OK. OK. Does someone want to make that motion? So moved. All second. Great. All in favor. Hi. Hi. Any opposed? OK. Thank you all. Congratulations. So much, you guys. We're picky, but you did a nice job. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. We'll see you again. It was great to see you all. Thank you. All right. Next up, we have administrative reports. Boards and commissions applicants to sit. Megan. Megan. Great. Well, because I'm plugged over here. Something changed over here. Sorry. I might not be able to. I was going to share. I was going to share the white board that I often create every year, but I think we can save that for next time. But I wanted to clarify, Mayor Shank actually brought something to my attention and I did have a typo in the the boards layout. So when we get to tourism, I'm going to specify that a little bit. So every year, of course, you know what we're doing in terms of our applications for our boards and commissions. We have several boards that you guys are having to decide different appointments. We talked about some pinch points last week. I, we did originally have additional applicants for FAB. We don't have that additional applicant anymore, so that's not a pinch point anymore. But one of the ones that we did not discuss briefly last week was the tourism advisory board, formerly of course marketing group sales. My typo was that we had 10 seats available for appointment. 10 seats are our total appointments. Nine of our community members, one X-Facto member, which is the developer. And so we do have a little bit of a pinch point there in terms of the applicant is Christina, and she's at large. She would be an at large, pops a little applicant. And then we have Wendy Harris and John Kenny that are already that are reapplying. So that is a small pinch point. I'll put that into my whiteboard so that we can look at it. But you guys do need to think about that when you're thinking about the tourism board that we can't apply. We can't appoint all of them. So tourism and planning commission are the only ones where we have more applicants and seats. Absolutely. Yes. Now that still doesn't mean that you have to reappoint every member to the other board so that is always a consideration that you guys need to think about in terms of the functionality of the board and all that so that's the other part of it. I think you guys, I know you guys got the link, but not everybody was able to work through all of the videos and such. I think just you know with the nature of the holidays and such like that. So we already had this planned on not only today brief discussion, but also next week. But I would love to get some general feedback on the boards that maybe we can go through one at a time, see if there's any suggestions of wanting to further discuss it, or if you guys are ready to just say, you know, draft up a resolution, for example, the Community Grant Advisory Board. You know, we had the addition of Darlene Fritzstein applying. We have the perfect amount. It's a very, you know, simple board that runs very efficiently. You might possibly suggest that would be a foregone, do that resolution, but you might find another board that you're like, let's discuss these members and decide if we're gonna reappoint them. So that's some of the feedback I'm looking for today. Should we go through on me 200? Yeah, and I mean, I will say, I don't know if everyone had chance to look at the videos. I really like that. It's great. Yay. Let's go get my pen real quick. The only thing I didn't realize quite at first I thought that was the total. So that I missed that and I had already looked at the half of them. So then I went back. But I really, I thought it was a great tool. I agree. I think it worked really well. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of time for lots of people. A lot of time, everyone's getting the same questions. I just, yeah. No, so thank you for your success. I thought it was great. Yeah, that was obviously a tool that Tolita and our HR had developed something we've used otherwise. I really only had like one or two technical people like oh this isn't working and really just one person saying I really don't want to do that. I would prefer and I so I suggested would you prefer writing it down. So I thought it worked out well. Yeah. I do miss like having conversations with yes, the actual people. And so we can try to find some way to have more facetime with members of the board's and commissions throughout the year somehow. Well I know a couple years ago I think, well it's probably longer than that. We did have a period like throughout the year, different boards and commissions would come in just for a casual conversation, how's it going, what do you guys work me on? And I think it's nice to connect names and things out for sure. So it will be serving on the point you'll ask. Yes and we'll be serving with Well, definitely make a difference. So okay starting with the citizens grant review We did have Judy in Terry reapply and then Darlene was a new applicant and like Megan said that's Three seats three applicants I Would be comfortable moving forward with all three of them if everyone else Yeah, me too at least to go to a resolution with that is fine An FAB we have four seats and four applicants and I know Sean did not do a video that I saw right I haven't seen it So Sean Scott the new General Ritz nope I So Sean's got the the the I'd like to see some but he is reapplying yeah without answering the questions. Well he did do the application. Yeah, okay. Yes, he did the application. He's originally a question and then any of the that's right. Regarding either the other hasn't been replied. But I'm good with the FAB. Yeah. I can reach out to Sean again regarding either the other hasn't been replied. But I'm good with the FAB. I can reach out to Sean again and just say, as an alternative, can we at least get these answers, blah, blah, blah. Yeah? I would like that. OK, I'll reach out to him again. I mean, good. But for the most part, you're OK with me drafting a resolution with all of them on it, and we can always adjust it. OK. the most part you're okay with me drafting a resolution with all of them on it and we can always adjust it. Okay. Okay. And then we have poster and poster has five seats and four act applicants. Kevin and Lisa reapplied. New were Maggie and Nate and I know Maggie also applied for planning commission even though her video was focused on. It's because she couldn't do both. Yeah, so it's a limitation. It's a limitation of the program. I've heard to use a different email to be able to do a whole different response in our holiday week and such like that. It wasn't she didn't have a second of a second email and she just went through can I just do it in the end? When she did the video why didn't she just talk about both because she thought she was going to be able to do a second one. Got it. I hear your saying. So on poster there's five openings there's four applicants including the two reapplying. And I would say maybe we wait on that if there might be others that applied for a different board or commission that we might want to see if they want to do this. That's a good point. Yeah. So wait on that one for right now. Is there any requirement to be a resident of snowmass village to be on the. I did have a a for which one? poster or sub? No, neither of those are required to be a snowmass resident or a voting member. They have to. There's probably some language talking about expertise and you know, community member, that kind of thing, but no, not necessarily like living in town of Snow, mass village. Because some of them you are required to be resident. Yes, the missing grant review resident working here. If it's designated as an advisory committee. Yeah, good. Got it. All right. I just want to clarify that. OK, so we're going to wait on poster for a minute. P-trab four seats. five applications. Did I read the read? No. Four applications. No, four applications. No, four applications. Four applications. Yeah. And all those people have been on. Did we, sometimes in the past, we've seen if there's any attendance issues. And I did not get all those in attendance from each of these boards, but I happened to sit with Greg on this part-time residence advisory board, and they all have very good attendants. I'm good with that whole group. Me too. We skip over, Sab. No, I just haven't got any yet. Sorry, I just was in the way that I had it. My notes were going to be in the way it hit oops on there. OK, so P-Trab,ming and that's good. Sob, nine seats, nine applicants, right? Yes. Okay. And there was three new. I thought all the new people were really interesting and, you know, brought sort of different perspectives, which I thought were great. I would like to think on this board for a little bit and have some further discussion maybe next week. So I don't know necessarily that I would move it to a resolution right now, but I would like to have like a further discussion about sort of the makeup of the board. Would you like me to get attendance for that one too? That would be great. Yep. And so those were all the boards where it was an even swap. And then we had tourism and planning commission and tourism five seats, yeah, five seats, six applicants. And I think planning commission was three seats six applicants. Of which, what's maybe even tougher to reapply in who I think are very strong members and I would support staying on planning commission. So we really have four applicants for one seat. And I know, I mean, I know, Sessley, you hadn't had a chance to see the videos because of I got through a couple of them But I got this at like one o'clock today, so yeah, no no So I mean I do think for these two boards especially it would be good to for everyone to make sure you've looked at been able to look at the videos and Have a good understanding because I do think there was a lot of really great applicants I would actually because of the playing commission such an important board. I'd like to get the four new applicants in for interview. I was going to suggest that as well. I feel like, you know, in these kinds of instruments where we're trying to determine if the re-applications and the new applicants, you know, I just feel like that in person opportunity to speak really is relevant so. And did Tom Sherlock do a video? He just recently did it. I believe over the weekend. He was much delayed but if you go through the whole list, he did. I definitely looked this afternoon and I saw it. I have a look since. Oh, because I looked at last night and night night was not I did not see it I saw it but I didn't have a chance to read it. Oh, so it is you saw it too So I'm sorry Tom you said you wanted you were interested you guys were interested in seeing the four the four new applicants. Yeah So that's Tom as Tom D. Jamie and Maggie. Mm-hmm. What about for tourism? Yeah. So I'll be Christian. Yeah. I mean I don't know. Tourism's more awkward because if we make a spot for Christina means we need to have somebody who's Currently on the board come off and not just somebody it would actually have to be It would actually have to be Wendy or John At large Maybe it's just not awkward because we don't We just keep the people. Maybe it's not awkward because then we just keep the people. I mean that's the question. I mean I think they're both those both Wendy and John are really strong members and I would not feel comfortable asking them to not. Yeah I think that seems. Reapply so maybe we've resolved that. Yep. I feel okay with that. Yeah. I feel as am I in angry on that? Did Christina put any... No, but I can reach out and ask if she'd be interested in... Post, poster. Post, poster? Yeah, I mean it would be... Do we need any more on... Or should I be? No, you we need any more on first ID? No, no, it is. It is. Exactly right now. And it happens to be one of those ones that it's a three year term. And I, I have them staggered only two years, if that makes any sense. So I had like four last year and three the year before. And now we have got no one needing to go off. Nobody decided to leave. But I will consider staggering next time so that they are evenly a little bit more. So the next time we see AAB, they might be have a two-year term so that we have this step. So we could have more space on poster. The poster and maybe so, but that's about it, right? Do we only have just one space on poster? Like you five seats one two three four if yeah if we accept all those. Five seats four applicants there's I think there's one seat left on poster. Yeah. I mean if you were to do an appointment of both Maggie and they, yes, there would still be one. And then do we have everyone saw that? Or that's yes. I think don't we? Or well, we have nine seats nine applicants. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it to me. Yeah, we don't. But I think we should have some further discussion there and see the attendance for that one, which would be helpful. I mean, I would say with Christina for tourism that I do happen to know her. And she has a local business. And I think it would be great to be able to get her on a board or commission. I think it would be really wonderful. Would she all be interested in your knowledge of her of the grants board? Because we could have two alternative members that basically are as contributing as the other ones. They just don't have like a final vote, but it's all a matter of Consensus. Yeah, I mean, I think she's interested in getting involved in the community. Okay, when I'm asking I could say poster I also have yeah, I mean poster what else to say citizens Review because you can have two alternates right? Yeah five and then two. Does SOB not have availability as well? It doesn't. If we look at the applicants that are here. But I mean you could ask her she'd also be interested in SOB. I think we're full up on SOB. Well if we appoint all the same people, but if we don't, we can send her a message. I understand you're saying. Yeah. And then if so, will she resubmit the questions, or how will we handle that? Yeah, I think what we would do is maybe actually have her come in and person. And if she's interested in any of the rest of them, I think if we're going to get some of the other ones in person, it will bring her in and just kind of, I mean, if we can, whether it's virtual. We'll also have an issue if there's one planning commission and four applicants, maybe the other three might want to be out of something else also. And they're all going to pull together. One of them, oh, you're right. One has a plan. Right, right. And I think we're counting on poster when we're looking at poster So that might open some up. We think she's a one on plan. But then we still have two left over basically. Sorry, but then we still have two left over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so will we invite off for new applicants for planning commission including Maggie who is also interested in poster. Yeah. Just go ahead and okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, would that be at the work session or the next meeting? I mean, ideally it would be maybe 330, the ninth before the work session. You know what I'm saying. Half an hour is not enough time for five minute news. I know. So I'm just saying that would be one of the ideas. Is that the day we're doing our training? What day we're doing our training? No, that's in January. It's going to be too late. Yeah, yeah. Because we do need to get planning commissions situated by no no I I thought we're doing the same thing the same afternoon. Yeah. I mean we do have the 16th as well so but it would be great to have. Why don't we give ourselves can we give ourselves an hour next Wednesday? So I mean it's one day. It's Monday. Yeah. Sorry no Wednesday. Right. Stop saying that. Can we start at three? Is it tourism and planning commission? Yeah, if I can get them here virtually or in person. In one or it's split. Are we splitting the two boards? No, I get them all in because they're individual anyway. Well, and I mean, there's schedules maybe that somebody can get here at three and somebody, you know, can't get here till 3.45. So it might be all disjointed. But we're only talking about those two boards. Yeah. I think that's great. Yeah. So the plan is to try to get them all in next week and we would start at three o'clock. Does that, is that doable for doable for everybody? I can do it. Okay, so you'll let us know. Yes, I will definitely let you guys know what I can accomplish on that. And then I would just say, and if we can't get it all done a week from the day, three o'clock, we shoot for three o'clock. The next meeting, you know, the two three o'clock. You got two already starts yeah do mean have a little bit of flexibility for the applicants and for you guys to get all those positions filled so that'd be the 16th right okay okay and Megan would you be able to get the attendance records yes thank you yes definitely thank you yeah I will try to front-load it all on the ninth but but I like the flexibility of the 16th, so that's great. Thank you. Awesome. Okay, so you got all of that. Yes. Okay. All right, well that was good. That was pretty good. I know, I'm not leaving. I'm just moving these papers over here. Okay. So now we're going to move to talking about regional boards, which this is exciting, because we have new people in town boards, which we've never done before in Mayor Pro Tem. So which one did you want to talk about first, Megan? Why don't we look at the outside boards? And well, actually, what did I say in the memo? Let's do mayor pro tem and I think we would entertain some nominations or that kind of thing and then we can work from there. Well I would like to nominate Tom as mayor pro-tem. Which I would accept, speaking for all the men on council. Okay. Yeah, I think, I mean, Tom's has the most experience on council. Long journey. Long journey. So, you know, I would say Tom, and if anyone else else has another suggestion or if everyone's good with that Do we need to vote or something? Yeah, do we take a motion? Yes, so I made the motion or I made the nomination Do what you want from here, but yeah, I would suggest someone make a motion and someone second it. Okay. Well, I move for Tom to be the mayor for a time. I'll second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. There will be a resolution reflecting that as well. Great. Congratulations. It's a tough job. I just completed it. Okay. Now you want to move to the regional, the outside board some commissions. Okay. And I did want to make a note for the COG, it had said it started at 2, it's from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. Ah, because there's a COG meeting that goes from 10 to 12, and then there's the economic development district meeting which goes from 12 to like two. And Brenna and I usually tag team and I go to one and she goes to the other because it's it's a very long day. It's a very long day. Yeah. And I had to be at the first one because I was cheering it. And I've been trying to multitask and listen to the first one the more active in the second. Thank you for clarifying that. So that's number five on page two of the memo. Yes. Sorry if it wasn't clear, but yes. That's the deal with that one. So as you go through them, both on the kind of the sheet as well as what I took in the memo, you've got the, you've got Raffta, you've got WAPA, you've got the Nordic Council, the EOTC which everybody does, and they've kind of changed their structure anyways. The Northwest Cog, CML which has been currently with Clint for the last six years. When she may attend the record. Oh, I don't know. Sister C. The City's and then the Picking County Public Health. So all of those, you know, you can see who's done it in the past, where we have some holes. There may be some wanting people to move around. Please discuss amongst yourselves. Should we just go down one at a time and talk to you? Yeah. Yeah. So for Rhafta, I would like to continue staying on Rhafta. We're having some switchover and the people from the other municipalities. So I think it's good to have people that have been on it for a while. I'd like to be the alternate of that, that too, Gremel. Does that work for everybody? Sure. OK. And then for Rudeye. I like to stay on that. Do you as the alternate? No, as the primary. I'm up into being the alternate on that. You're up for being the alternate on that. You're up for being the alternate. Okay, so Tom and Cecilie. And then we have Nordic. Susan, I know you are on that. Yeah, I'll move to. I don't know if you want to stay as the main. Yeah. And. Or I mean. Oh, because you're also that did you want to stand board of health? Yeah. Okay, as the main. Yeah, I can do that. Okay. So, and lastly, I know you were interested maybe in Nordic, right? I'm up into being the main if you want to be the alternate. Okay. So Nordic, we're going to have Wednesdays. It's like the third Wednesday at noon. That's great. So, Nordic will be... And only in the winter? That's when I have children. I think after 5 p.m. I don't. So, it's great. Yeah, yeah. So, Nordic will be sessly and then Susan. And then you just said Susan, they meet the third Wednesday around noon. Yeah. For the winter months. I don't think I have that information. I'm just going to meet in the summer. Believe it or not. Oh, OK. I'm dedicated. Dedicated Nordic people. Not every month in the summer. Sure. It changes. But for the most part, OK. I just didn't have that information. So thank you. Okay, so Susan staying is the ultimate and so that's lead in Susan. Okay, EOTC, we're all there if we ever have a meeting again. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. to join my chair ship. How's it going to ask? You still have a chair? Aren't you like that? You're like a chair? I mean, they're really trying hard to convince me to stay on as the chair. But I haven't made any commitments, but that doesn't happen until January. But do you want to stay on Coggy, or is the main or the alt? I can. I mean, I have done it for a long time, but if someone else is interested, that's fine too. I mean, I'm very... That would make a decision about being the chair, if you decide not to be on it. Well, I thought when I was the alternate that I wouldn't have to be chair, but then they're like, oh, no, you can still be chair. You're right. and they're like, oh no, you can still be kidding. No, I'm just kidding. No, I do like being on Cog, but. So what you're talking about, I don't know. Well, really, if Britta wants to say. I mean, I'm interested in staying, but if anyone else is interested in participating, I'm flexible on that one. It's fascinating. I've really enjoyed it. But I could, you know, if you want to stay on it. If I became an alternate, I would be okay with that as well. Well, I think you stay on as the main, if you want. I mean, I'm happy to stay on as the alternate. It doesn't mean I have to be chair. I can put my foot down. Does anybody else want to be? I don't want to be on it. I was on it before I've got. Okay, so we'll just stay with Britta as the main and then me. And then they're yearly meeting anybody can go to. Which I highly recommend. In May. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if anybody has some interest. It's usually the first week of May on a Thursday and it's in Silverthorn at the Pavilion. And I've gone, I don't know, three or four times. Britta came last year with me. It's great. Go over the night before. You stayed at the hotel right there. And then it's just a great way to meet lots of people from the different municipalities. And they always have great demographics. Yeah, the presentations really relevant to so many things that we are. Yeah, that presentations really relevant to so many things that we are. Yeah, that could be. Constantly thinking through. So that might be a good thing to encourage us all to go. Yeah, yeah. This year, yeah. OK. Well, first week of May, I think it's the first Thursday in May. It's usually when it is. When you get the date, let us know we'll post. I will. We have a call on Thursday. So we can get the registration's really little money, but we pay for it and we'll pay for it for the hotel. So happy to encourage you guys to go. Okay, so, British staying on as main and Alaska as alternative. Okay. Then we have Clint at CML. I mean, everyone's welcome to join CML. I mean, to go to the annual conference, there's all the other sessions. This is just their policy committee. Yeah. There's the annual conference, there's all the other sessions. This is just their policy committee. And like I said, I think I've been to one in 10 years. It's all about legislation. We don't play the state legislature very much, so it's not highly unhappy to pay attention. I'm really happy to keep Clint as the front-run. That's right. I'm happy to pay attention. He can maintain his level for participation. I get it. CML's annual is in Breckenridge this year. When is that? Right? June. It was an aspirin a couple years ago, wasn't it? CML's always, they've been in the front range for the last couple years. This is the closest one. So they have a quarterly one. There's multiple meetings. Yeah, I think we had a meeting that some of us went to Aspen about three years ago. I mean, if you ever think there's an important one for whatever reason, like if they're covering topics that you guys know about those months before. The policy is like how much do we want to float state legislation? And we don't normally so. Yeah. OK. Sister Cidys, Brna and I are both on. I don't know if anyone else wants to join. I mean, for me, that one may have a conflict once a month if I were to join one of the boards that I'm interested in participating in. But, oh, with this. I'm working on their fundraising so I don't necessarily want to step off either. But I think it's okay. I mean I think they they're flexible if I miss that meeting occasionally. So well do you just want to keep it as this then? Is that? I'm good with that. That's unless anyone else is a higher than interested in getting it. It's a a low keyboard and then board of health I know Susan has been on Tom I know maybe Cessli you said you had some interest I'm not that interested in staying on somebody else wants to go on as the alternate I mean Susan one stand is the main yeah yeah if somebody else wants to be alternate, that's fine with me. So Susan and Cessli is the alternate. Okay, well that was easy. Yeah. Okay. Easy. Done, Megan, you got all that? I wrote them all down. So again, there'll be, do we do a resolution for that too? I think I do. Yeah, there'll be a resolution for you guys to sign on that. But yeah, I'll get that up. Now for uncharted territory. We are going to the, so everyone pay attention to what boards you just said you were going to be on and see how they conflict with the meetings. But TOSV boards for the town, which we've never done before, but it was approved in the election in what, 2022 2022. No 23. The charter before I had a prohibition and that prohibition was removed so I know just the council has talked about this before I don't think there's an expectation to attend all these meetings the whole goal is to improve communication between the Board and the council so whatever that level of attendance is to make sure that you're accessible, but not necessarily involved in all the stuff, but you'd be ex officiall member of the Board, I think it's how the ordinance is written. And so it's just that opening that communication, your point of a few minutes ago is like, how do we make sure that you all, you know, see the faces and know the players? That's your goal, not necessarily to weigh in on their policy. Yeah, we need to be careful not to drive the policy of the committee. You're there as committee liaison and committee came back with the council. And just, sadly, the only one we can't sit on is the planning commission, which is why it's not listed on here as we can't be on here. Because it's quasi-judicial, we can't be on here. Because it's quasi judicial, we can't be on here. OK, so do we want to go down them the same way? OK, so the first one is the Citizens Grant Review. Does anyone want to join? I'm interested, but I work for a nonprofit, so it's probably not a good idea. But. I probably shouldn't, because my wife a good idea. But. I probably shouldn't because my wife is on it. Yeah. I'm interested in that one and I will no longer have a conflict of interest. Good. All right. So, Britta, you want to take that one on? All right. Good one. We only meet like three times. EAB. I would like to be on that. How about a big background of sustainable design? I'd like to stay with that. Anyone else? Do we need more than one person? No, just if anyone else is interested, like I don't want to take away someone's top choice board, like we can have a discussion about it. Anyone? Okay. So, EAB is going to Tom, you're the winner. Okay. FAB. Oh, I wonder. I know I want an omnate for that. You guys don't fight me over that. I'll do it. Okay. That was like penciled in before we we all knew where that was going. It was like fingers crossed. Okay. Um, Torres nice to do like arts or something, but that's okay. Can do more than why? Can you explain it's a second Thursday of every other month? What time? Do you know? I'm only asking because rafta meets on Thursdays and cog meets on Thursdays. But rafta's the second Thursday of the month. And sister cities as well. It's actually not remembering right now. Do you want to tour as soon as the moon? Do you remember when they meet? It's 9 a.m. on Thursdays. Yes, early, it's morning. a year for the whole board and then they have a bunch of so that conflicts with rafters so I'm out I'm pretty interested in that one myself but yeah okay anybody else all right tourism is going to Britta this is like a raffle okay Okay, poster. I'd be interested in poster. Okay. Anybody else? All right. Cecilie's string poster. Um, petrab. Petrab, I like to do this because I used to be one of them. Okay. It's an all-male board right now, so maybe you can get here. Oh, those balancing stuff. you'll have to balance. I do in full disclosure, I have to explain. I grew up with three sisters and no brothers. We had children and I had three daughters. So, I'm used to this. No problem. I am a bastard. This is comfortable territory for you now. Okay, so that's Tom for P-Trap. Yeah. Okay. Okay, I'm not on a board. So I could take stop, but I don't know if it's a conflict because my mom's also on top. Is it fine? Can you lay us on with her? What? I said can you lay us on with her? Yeah, it needs three, needs at 3 p.m. the fourth Thursday of each month. Yeah, kind of. Kind of. I can do that. All right. Good. Are you everyone feel comfortable? Yeah. So yeah, we'll make it and we'll wrap up something in. You guys are your official, your decision will be official when we bring back the Resil, but now we know how to draft it. Yep, okay. And obviously I'll communicate with all the liaisons. They'll start keeping you guys in the email loop. You know, this was wonderful and easy, so thank you all. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you for getting us all that information and doing all the work. It was laid out well for MQ Thank You. Very organized. for getting us all that information and doing all the work. It was laid out well, thank you. Very organized. Very organized. Do I still get to pull out the whiteboard maybe? Yes. Because we know that you really like that tool. Cool, nice. All right, next up we have Council goals setting, the process and the timeline, Clint, did you want to? This is just, I need to understand how quickly you all want to jump on this project. I'm assuming the council goals, you'll want to reset council goals as we do after most elections. And so sometimes councils want to jump on it early. Sometimes you wait till January. Sometimes we try to stick it at three o'clock in a Monday. Sometimes we do half days. And it's so it's really kind of a function of your guys' day jobs and time commitment and how quickly you want to jump on it. And then the last thing would be, if you want to kind of keep that format the same that we've used the last couple of years, with just me asking a couple of questions and getting your brain warmed up and then really just kind of playing your script and the whole process. Yeah, I mean, I think it's worked well. I don't know if anyone has any other suggestions. I really am going to be good. Any January be good. Yeah. After the last election. You know, our December is going to be real busy. Yeah, I think January sounds like a good time. And did we do more like a half day? Was that correct? A couple hours. I don't remember how much time or when. 3 p.m.s are generally next week great. Generally, really challenging for me because of pickup. Well, sometimes we do it like in the morning. Yeah. I feel like we did it in the morning. But that's when you took a break. I mean, what is your normal window so we can know that? When do you free up typically? So it's really just that picking the kids up from school and the husband's getting back surgery this week. So the literal picking a kid up and putting them in the car, not between three and four, I can get here by four, but often it's just- How about in the morning? Is there a deal? Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, drop off at eight. OK, that's it. So if we could do it, it doesn't have to be on the Monday. Do we want to try to do something that first full week of January or the second full week, so that's the week of the six, the 13th. Everyone don't forget what boards you just put yourself in. You're right again. Ha, ha. Um. Can you say it was Wednesday at noon. Is that right? So. If we can set the first one, we can set the second one at that first meeting too, but if we get the first one on the books, I think that would get the ball rolling. Okay. So, I mean, we could do it. We could do the six. The six we have council training from one to three. Right on the same plan. I think it's 130 to 330, but yeah. I don't know. I swear something. It said one to three, but maybe it was not. I could have looked around. Anyways, we have it on that the sixth. So we don't want to do it then. But we could either do it another day that week. Like we could do it on a Wednesday morning, or we could do it the next week. I mean, let's get started. How about Wednesday morning, the eighth? Wednesday, the eighth? Does that work for everybody? It works for me. Wednesday, the eighth? 8.30? I don't know. 9 o'clock? 9? I'm here. You guys all out day jobs. 9 good. And how much are we blocking off? Let's block off three hours. If you want to do 830 to 1130? I think 830 work for you or is it a little too tight? 830 is fine. I am in Rotary, but we're usually done at 830, but some of the things are not good. Let's do nine to 12. Nine's easier for me too. Nine to 12 on the eighth for goal setting, the first one. Good. Yep. Okay. Great. That's good. Okay. Was that a Clint? Yes. Yep. And then obviously, Clint? Yep. Thank you. And then obviously, I mean, I don't know, it's obvious, but I would assume there'll be more than one. We'll start there, see where we all get to, and then we'll set the next meeting from that. And then normally, there's a couple of these kind of workshops and then we bring it back once you kind of have a solid draft to maybe one of these meetings to clean up the final language and then the next meeting you kind of adopt. So it's it's usually about two months to get it all done. Great. That's good. Okay. All right. Town Council reports and actions. Frida, do you have anything? Yes. I want to say what a spectacular week last week was. Nature's abundance, the community. How was it? How was it? It was so nice. Sorry to miss out. And just a general sense of like goodwill towards each other. I think the community really came together with enthusiasm so I just Huge applause for this town the space right now Big props and you know we have Kagan Thursday, right? You do it's a weird month because it's at the beginning Tom First I just want to say I got a really good feeling about this council. I think this is our first time well-bid together and I think it's going to be a great, great couple of years. Core, I am being, you know, the no more elected board members. And I'm not sure that I'm going to stay on as an ancillary kind of person. So I think I'll be coming off completely. Okay. Well, we have COG Thursday. I agree with Brita. I thought the Thanksgiving community Pollock was wonderful thanks to all the town staff and everyone that contributed to make it a great event. It was really nice. It started snowing that night. But it was great. It was great to see so many people. And then tomorrow, for those who don't know, out there listening, is a great opportunity for community involvement with the Visioning Workshop. I will be there, I assume everyone will be there. Are we all gonna be there? How's planning on it? So there's a Visioning Workshop for the Snowmass Destination Management Plan. This is going to be at the limelight tomorrow. The work session is from 230 to 430, and then the app right in the pizza is from 430 to 530, because no one's going to come unless there's food or drink. Great. Gotta get people there somehow. But it's an excellent way to help snowmastorism shape their strategic direction and great opportunity to voice how you feel. So for anyone listening out there, we encourage you to show up tomorrow. That reminds me all, we all got an email invitation to the Viewline for Thursday, right? To Ed Stark's restaurant, to came from our tourism group, and then I assume we all got that. Yeah, I got that. Right? Yeah, I sort of forgot got that. Yeah, I got that. Yeah. Right? Yeah, I sort of forgot about it. We need to post that. I did not post that. Yeah. You need to. Well, it only matters if we're going. I'm going to go. We just invited a May 10 just to cover the battles. Yeah. Sanby, I was planning to show up. I'm going to show up. I'm gonna drop in. What time is it? It's from like 3.30 to 6 and it's To meet their new chef and sample some of their food and stuff. So maybe you're hard to remember to do that. Three food Sorry, what was the date about the fish this Thursday? Yeah, yeah It starts. Oh, we help find room or what's called up. No, that's the next week. Okay. Yeah, I'll try to make it. They asked for an RSVP though. Yeah. Yeah. It's honoring you now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Susan, Germany reports and actions. We have Nordic Council this week. Sorry, only 18th. Just so you can. Okay, that's that'll be the first meeting. And then, and it's, I can talk to you about it, but it's in the Aspen City Hall in their meeting room. Yeah, yeah, perfect. And then, I just, I wanted to kind of go back to the election and just thank everyone who participated, who as a candidate and just as a press and it's just such a great opportunity for us to have a community conversation. And so I really appreciate that because it takes a lot of time. And it is sometimes tiring and thankless, but it's also really important. And it's where we get good information from our community. So I think that's really important. And thanks to everyone who participated. And then I just was happy to see that a significant majority of our town supported the funding for the draw site. And I think that's a nice message that they want housing there. So, and the Pitkin County housing tax passed and so all of that feels nice that our community is supporting a supportive of housing which is an important piece of what we're trying to do. 100%. That's all. That's it. Anything you want to share? I just was super impressed watching everybody get the mountain open early. And my sons now been I think in ski school because again of my husband's back we were just like you're going to ski school every day so I think he's been in seven days of ski school already. And just thank you to everybody for working really hard to get that done early. And I was just excited to hear that Heather's opening on the 15th. So welcoming another business to. At the artisan at the Stonebridge, yeah. Is it gonna be called Heather's? I believe so. Great. But I'm not sure. Yeah. That's great. Great. Okay. Next item. but I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Great. Okay. Next item. Town Council will now move to enter executive session pursuant to CRS 24-6-4024 and SNOMAS Village Municipal Code Section 2-45C for the purpose, for a conference for discussion of a personnel matter under CRS 24-6-4024F, more specifically the town attorney, provided there is an affirmative vote of two thirds of the quorum present at this meeting to hold an executive session, and for the purposes of considering items A above, provided further that no adoption of any proposed policy, position, resolution, regulation, or formal action shall occur at this executive session. Can I get a motion to move into executive session? So moved. In a second. I'll second. Great. All in favor? Alright.