you you you you you you you you you Good afternoon, the special meeting of the City Commission for Tuesday, September 24th, 2024 will come to order. Please join me in silencing your cell phones. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Hartman. President. Commissioner Martin. Here. Commissioner McGurth. Here. Mayor Cleveland. Here. And Vice Mayor Perina's excused absent. Thank you. Thank you very much. This is a special meeting. It's to listen to the out brief of a body of work that has been ongoing for months and months and so we're looking forward to hearing from you the citizens before we get started with the presentation. So if anyone has a comment or would like to voice a concern or accolade for any of the city members, please come forward. You'll have three minutes. Once again, some monologue, non-dialogue. And so we'll be listening. If there's a need to get back in touch, the city manager and city clerk will reach out to you. You'll see a green light come on. When you have three minutes, the yellow light at one minute and you'll be done at the red light. And when you come forward, your name and address for the record please. I'm Tony Adi, 3530 Grand Tuscony Way. I'm here to say thank you and kudos to the commission for really taking on the parking problem that we have and going about it the right way with first engaging stakeholders and then bringing in a consultant to give a report. I've gone over the report. I'm pleased for the report. I want to encourage you to take the next step of hiring a parking and mobility director. I'm not aware of anybody else on staff who has that skill set that's described there, an experienced credentialed person in the discipline of parking because that's now these days a separate discipline. So thank you so much for the remarkable work that you've done to address the problem so far and please keep up the good work. Thank you Mr. Odie. Appreciate your comments. Mr. Audi. Appreciate your comments. Mr. Williams, needy. Oh, Williams, 767 Pine Shore Circle. I want to echo everything Tony said. I want to really thank the commission, thank the staff, and thank TLC, Sands Lasting, or Kerry Carl, and their team for delivering an excellent study, strategy, and action plan. I wanted to share an experience, and I didn't time this, so hopefully I can get through it. You know, as a resident of New Samaritan, I've been going to the police station to register for off-peach parking for years. And even though I have a beach pass, usually when I go to walk on the beach, I don't want to get sand in my truck, so I like to park off beach. A couple of weeks ago, I parked at Clancy Park and did my walk. When I was coming back to my truck, I saw parking enforcement officer Robinson checking things out. I didn't think anything of it as she was making her rounds. But when she stopped behind my truck, she called out to me and asked if I paid the guia's. I said, no, I'm a resident. I registered the police department, showed her my driver's license. She looked me up on her computer again, and she politely said I was not registered, and made sure I knew I needed to re-register each year. Well, it seemed like only yesterday, I thought I'd been there to do that. And I've heard sometimes the computer system go down. That was my first thought. She could probably see the frustrated look on my face. Instead of handing me a ticket, she handed me the card to Miss Nancy Chapman and encouraged me to contact her and check and see what the situation was. When I got home, I did just that. Miss Chapman, she politely informed me that my registration had expired in December. I thanked her and told her I'd take care of it right away. I decided I'd take advantage of the online registration. So to make a long story short I had problems. But Ms. Chapman went out of her way to call me back and to help me solve my problem. Two things I want to emphasize with this experience. One, I want to commend the excellent customer service I received from this city. But two, I want to point out that I probably parked 50 times this year and was never, you know, no one ever noticed and it makes me wonder how often this is happening with other people who otherwise would need to pay. So in summary, I'm most excited about the opportunity for our city, the partner with the county as defined in this plan you're gonna hear about with the new technology they are bringing to parking in our region. And I want to emphasize that even more important than increasing compliance and improved online convenience, the most important advancement will be the data. And the subsequent policy and management information will be able to get from these new systems. It's said that parking is your first and last opportunity to give a good customer experience. If we follow the recommendation of this report, we will be supporting our residents and our visitors with a world-class destination parking experience. Thank you all very much. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it, Bob. Good evening. My name is Cindy Harris. My address is 1035 South Lenco. I have spent the majority of my life in New Sumerna Beach and I want to thank Lisa Martin for responding to my recent email that I have sent to everybody. I spent many, many times on the beach growing up here in New Sumerna Beach and I know for a fact that this tourist town has a problem with parking. But you're not going to like what I have to say. I don't think we need a parking improvement on flooded streets. We can't draw the tourist in if they can't park on a street that's flooded. So although this is off topic, I think we need to stop and take a step back. If all of you have read the email that I sent out yesterday, that was addressed to you, you would know that I have reached out to the State Department of Environmental Protection, the Division of Water Resource Management, and I've asked them a very simple question. Is what importance does our wetlands play on storm water movement? And if we need to stop and look at that first, then we can address the parking issue on the flooded flagler A1A Canal Street and address the parking issue because if we have flooded streets the tourists are not going to come and There's no reason to address a parking issue if there's nowhere to put the tourists in their cars Thank you for your time. Thank you ma'am. Appreciate your comments Mr. Pena gas evening sir either gas. Eving, sir. Either J. Pendergast, 5900 South Atlantic. And I'm not going to need a yellow or red light. We're going to do this on green. I just want to thank the commission for moving forward with the parking task force and taking on this issue that's been going on for many years. And also, I would like to say, I think the report from last year is done very, very well. And one of the interesting things is exhibit G, where they agree with all of the recommendations made by the parking task force. So I think that actually we came up with a very good report that addressed the issues and needs of the city. And I look forward to seeing this move forward. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate that. Cynthia, good evening. Good evening. Cindy C. Zack 512 view upon. Sorry I was late for the meeting. I had a chance to go through the report just one time. And there's a lot of me in it, so I'd like to think that there'll be some opportunity to get some feedback after the briefing today as well. But I was surprised that there wasn't more new information in the report, and as Mr. Pendergast pointed out, there was a lot of affirmation that the topics that were raised in the task force's work were appropriate topics. The solution, though, in terms of the task list, prioritized task lists and the high-medium low impact or effort of doing the work didn't quite go as far as I thought it might. So I hope we have a little more time to let the information settle in. A couple things kind of fell off the report and I'm sure they were just oversights. But around page seven or eight, the consultant mentioned that one of the boards that they did when they did the one public forum that was held on this topic was to ask for, I think they entitled it your turn now or it's your turn and they gathered 40 or 50 comments from people. That was the only section that was not included in the report. There was no data dump as I might have expected there would be on what those individual comments were, because it was more of a free form opportunity for the public to comment, and there could be some interesting nuggets in there. And then on some of the recommendations, they may or may not be something that you want to go forward with exactly as they're stated, particularly where the seating of any position that would be the parking czar or the mobility manager might go but there in the chief can certainly inform you of this and I'm certain he would have mentioned this to consultants. There are risks by not having enforcement and certain functions that rely on plate reading and lookups being outside the law enforcement arm. And I know that for a fact based on eight years at F dot. So there are little things like that that I wouldn't take every recommendation at face value. And maybe on a few of them we need to go a little further than they actually proposed. Thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate that, Cynthia. Good evening, Dr. Herman. Good evening, Mayor, City Commission and staff. Thank you for the opportunity for this workshop. Speaking from a history of being on several parking task force over the years, it is good, again, to see it being revisited. And I would compliment the most recent task force for the work they did, which I felt was quite comprehensive and showed the talent that we have in our community to come up with pretty good recommendations and overview of our situation. Speaking from being on those task forces, one of the things that happened I felt is that the consultants reports often went on the shelf and we never heard about it again. And the many people that were on those task forces actually left discouraged. And I think we lost people who were getting excited about being part of our community, because I think task forces and commissions really do engender that enthusiasm for our governance. So I'm pleased that we're at this point. I hope that the actioning part has some date certain potential, because I would hate to see this also go onto the shelf and lose the energy that came into this. It is a complicated problem. Many, many cities around the country are dealing with it. It's a product of our popularity and our geography. But I just hope that the action phase will have some dates certain and feedback back to the community as we move forward with the recommendations. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your comments. Anyone else for public participation? Seeing none, public participation is now closed. Mr. City Manager, is there any setup we need to know about before we get started into this? Well, nothing more than has already been said this evening. I think obviously a lot of work has gone into this effort and people are anxious to hear the summary of this report so I'll turn it back over to you sir. Yes sir thank you so much. This time I'd like to invite the Director of Planning at LTEG, Engineering and Planning Matthew West to the podium to share his study with us. I will let the public know that we have all gone through the in-depth version of what you're going to see tonight. And I don't think this is a one and done for tonight. I think there will be many more discussions about this as we go forward. So without further ado, Mr. West, it's all yours, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My name is Matthew West with LTG Incorporated. Our headquarters address is 1450 West Grenada Boulevard and Ormond Beach. And we also have an office in Melbourne, Florida as well. I think the first thing we need to do is acknowledge all the effort and the support that we've received from your citizens, from your civic groups, from the city staff itself. I want to make a special mention of Colledin Rashidot and all his help and Ron Nibbert and Mr. Calper, the current city manager for helping us through this process and working shoulder to shoulder with us. I also want to make sure that John Dwyer from the parking enforcement is mentioned because he had a lot of input in this from the enforcement side. And also I wanted to make sure that we recognize all the residents and business owners that contributed and made comment, as well as a lot of the coordination we have ongoing with Volusia County's coastal division as they introduce their parking plan with PCI. So what we did initially is a lot of research and information gathering, the city gave us a lot of data that had already collected and previous studies and previous task force and what they evaluated. We also did a lot of ground truthing and sight visits to Canal Street and to Flagler Avenue. And basically, we kind of summed it up in a parking forum on August 1st, 2024. We held it at the Brandon Center. It happened to be on a night competing with I believe the seafood festival on Flagler Avenue. But despite that, we had over 120 attendees come and give us their opinions, which are shown in the report that has been submitted to you. The most important thing to establish is the purpose and need of this study because we heard when we talked to the stakeholders and residents and business owners that it's been a lot of studies but nothing seems to have moved forward. I will point out that the needle has moved because the city took it upon themselves to set up a parking enforcement department and to meet certain parking lots off beach, off street parking lots as well. So progress has made and the city also has looked at its codes and rewritten those to allow for parking enforcement as well. So the needle is moving. When I read this and I also I should I'm remiss in this. I should recognize Carrie Carl for a lot. She did the heavy lifting for this report. I left that out and I apologize on that slide for acknowledgments. But her conversations and my conversations with the city staff and other residents and business folks is there's a problem. But we never really defined what it was. We never said what is the problem. And so part of this parking form and part of our looking at all the other previous documentation allowed us to focus in on basically four things that these are the problems. And when we talk about the parking problem and some people may believe that these are just perceived problems and not real problems, but I believe once a problem is perceived, it becomes real. It becomes real to the visitor and to people trying to visit here as well. And the four problems that we looked at is that the belief that there's not enough convenient parking at times. Without a lot of walking or needing shuttles or things like that, there's not a lot of convenient parking at peak times. There's also a belief part of the problem is that a lack of parking restricts business opportunities. You can't add onto your existing building because the city's parking code requires more parking. You don't have anywhere to put it. Or you hire more employees and they have nowhere to park nearby. So it could restrict that perceived or real, this parking problem would prohibit or inhibit additional business opportunities. And then the other problem that we've identified through all our conversations and researches that a lack of parking impacts negatively the adjacent or nearby residential neighborhoods, you know, with cars spilling over or driving through those neighborhoods and making them feel less desirable and that's an issue. And then the final thing and this is probably a Meshupista Donald Schu wrote the Khaik of free parking. The last bullet is about the fact that when you're searching for space and you're driving around and around it's called cruising and when you do that it creates a sense of more congestion and it also creates a sense of frustration for people trying to visit here and enjoy what the city has to offer. So the idea of that problem is to try to reduce that congestion, that feeling of congestion as well. So I'm going to start off with four action items we think you need to start almost immediately. And you know we think these are the top four things that ought to be addressed even though when I get to the action plan items there's more than 20 of them. These are the top four. The first one being higher mobility director. I heard a gentleman just speak earlier saying these studies don't seem to get anywhere and people leave feeling like they wasted their time or it's not going to move. If you put somebody in the role of a parking mobility director, then they're going to bring focus to that action plan because that's their job. And they're also going to maintain and adjust the priorities that plan because this is going to be a very dynamic situation as we implement things, as the city implements programs, as the city collects the data, it may change what those action items are. And this person would be in charge of that and be focused on that solely. The second thing, we believe you should meet all the public on and off street parking. And the question is a reason and you can go either way, obviously the county, Volusia County decided on the beach tolls to make it free for residents. But whether it's free or not, you should, and that's for you to decide as a policy, you should start metering because what it's going to do is it's going to create the data you need to better manage the parking assets you have already. People were saying, why don't we talk about parking garages or jumping to building additional parking lots? I think we need to look at from a demand management standpoint, maximizing what you have now before you spend that additional money, that additional capital. And then this metering will also create a dynamic curve management, because there's a lot of other uses that have to park park along canal and along a flagler. There's one of the work you'll see one of the action items has to do with loading areas but then there are delivery, there's only to be a delivery space you might want to consider or a ride sharing spaces along the roadway as well. But one of the things that the metering will do is will give you the data you need to better manage your assets that you already have. And I think the most important thing is this position this person will keep the forward momentum. We'll keep pushing this forward because that will be their focus. The next thing we want to do is begin demand management. We want to start using technology as best we can. When people come to visit as an example, they don't know where all the parking lots are that they could park on. But if this information is made available to ways or to Apple or to all the other apps out there, you might be able to plan your trip ahead of time. I will say another thing about this. When I looked online and there were special events going on in the city on Flagler or Canal or when you looked at, and I'll carry, looked at some of the restaurants that were Fliver can out. And what information offered is most of them don't talk about parking at all. And me, I'm a huge Tampa Bay Rays fan. I love going, I love driving four hours to St. Pete. I'm crazy. But one of the things that when you buy a ticket, they send you an email saying no before you go. Here's where you're parking is. Here's how you get there. Here's the cheapest parking and what have you. And so it would seem to be a lot of the businesses working with this mobility director could embed that in their websites when people look to see and make reservations. They could even get it when the reservations confirmed. A message saying parking is an issue. Here's where you may want to look first before you keep cruising around. So it's important and that's managing the demand. And the other thing that will tell you is how many spaces are available as a visitor, where they're at. Like this parking lot has 50 spaces, 25% of them are still available. Something to that effect. And the fourth thing is to continue the coordination with Volucia County. I think that's important that my interesting is on the 26th, they are going to, the county's gonna stop issuing passes because they're gonna implement this part Volusia program. And I think the city, whether they jump in and participate with the county or not, should always stay in contact to exchange information and exchange data. So we talked about the action plan. We went out and collected this information and we came up with the action plan. We went out and collected this information, and we came up with an action plan. Some things are more time consuming. Some things are less expensive. Some take more effort. But we kind of try to rank them in there about which should be immediate, or could be immediate for a mobility department, parking department, which they could address in a short term and a long term. And then of course, once again, this plan, this action plan should be dynamic based on the information and circumstances that occur while we're implementing it and continuously implementing it. And then there's the question of the mobility department itself. When you initially hire a mobility director, you want to look at somebody with an emphasis on parking and mobility experiences. You want to have, they want to have, you want them to have familiar, I'm, my mouth is getting dry. I want them a familiarity with local government, processes and operations. And you, there are parking certifications out there. My advice is don't limit your pool of candidates, but you should probably put something like parking certifications preferred. If you say they're mandatory, now you're going to really restrict your pool. As mentioned previously, as someone got up and spoke, there is a question about where does the mobility department land in your organizational structure? Elsewhere they've been placed, the mobility has been parking and have been placed in public works departments. They've been placed in transportation departments. The city of St. Augustine removed the mobility department from public works and made it report directly to the city manager as a, basically a symbol of their commitment to this, this, this endeavor. So and you also heard somebody else just speak earlier about the, the removing or keeping the parking enforcement keeping the parking enforcement within the police department or putting it with the mobility department. That's another policy decision that I think the city manager and all of you could weigh in on about where does the parking enforcement go or does it remain where it is. But this is a funding source now. Once you start metering, you start collecting these funds, you can implement a lot of the things in these action plan items, capital improvements, or more investment in technology. There's all kinds of opportunities that the revenue that these meters would generate would help further your mobility goals. And then one of the things we're not, we stayed out of this, but in the 2023 parking task force, they recommend that you set up an advisory board, a parking mobility advisory board. Once again, I believe that's a policy decision of the City Commission. I will say that if you do that, that's gonna require additional staffing for creating agendas, taking minutes, sending notices, things like that. So, you know, maybe that's something for consideration later, but that has to be taken into account about the workload of this mobility director when you bring them on. Finally there's a couple of other things that the 2023 task force recommended and that's immediately going to a two hour parking on Canal and Flagler and right now you are at four hours maximum time on those two roads. One of the points of data collection we performed is we had a data collection company put video cameras up and monitor the eight on-street parking spaces of Canal in front of the Utilities Commission building and in front of Yellow Dog Geats that stretch right there. And the cameras were set up for four days of Wednesday through a Saturday in June. So we kind of got the summer crowd there that probably isn't the highest peak of visitors, but it was in June and we did it for 12 hours a day. And what we found is that 50% of the time in those 12-hour periods every day, those eight spaces were filled with cars. So half the time there might be a space available, the other half, they're all filled up. And what we also learned from that data collection effort is of the 407 cars that parked in those eight spaces, only seven of them stayed past the four-hour limit. So most of them is that the four hour limit, so they most of them abide by the four hour limit, which tends to make us believe that those were not employees parking there. You know they're boardwalk and park place parking spaces? They were obviously not being used by employees who might have an eight hour shift or nine hour shift or what have you. So that's another thing we learned with this. And then finally there were some change, there's a change and you should have a sheet in front of you for action item 11. And this was, this change came about because of Commissioner Martin. She caught us when we were surveying the road way on Flagler. We didn't see that there was a curb striped or painted in front of the little post office. So initially we talked about there was no dedicated parking space for that post office on next to the Jessamine parking lot. So there is, I didn't notice it until I went back out and looked directly for it. So our recommendation is we may want to paint it and make it more noticeable or sign it because it wasn't obvious. That during the post offices hours of operation you had a 30-minute time limit for a car to park there going there and get checked their mail and get out. But once again when you start metering and you start seeing how long cars are staying different places we might find out maybe 30 minutes is too long, maybe 15 minutes during that time is adequate for people to go in and get their mail and create more turnover. So, and then finally, I wanted to discuss real quick. The changes that we made in that copy you have in front of you besides the action item 11, what you have now, that we made when we did, after we did our one-on-one briefings with the Mayor and City Commission on separate occasions. I wanted to click on page 15, I clarified that the Canal Street utilization data that I just talked about those those eight spaces was taken in June and that may not necessarily be representative of the peak conditions. recommended let's do this action item immediately. And that was, we inadvertently left it off. That was the coordination with Volusia County. That should be one of the first four things we continue to do. We added language and created that table. The mayor suggested we have a table comparing the 2023 task force recommendations to what's in our plan. So we put that, I believe that's exhibit G. That's in there. Commissioner Martin had the fact that there was no pen locating the parking lot at US one and canal. So we put a pen in there when we need to let Google know that you need to put a pen there. So we just kind of doctored what was there and put a pin. And then there was some superscripts of a number one and number two and the exhibit be table they didn't refer to anything and so we just deleted them. And we clarified that in exhibits B&C when we talked about our visits to canal and flagler. Those visits were basically coming from I-95 and State Road 44. When we left our office and we came down, that's pretty much where we go. When I'm positive, but we corrected Mr. Rosedale's name, and we also fixed some other, we fixed some other spelling items that you didn't catch, but we caught, so we fixed some other. And then, and we slightly modified the mobility director description on page 48, and that was to emphasize the familiarity with local government operations. So those are the changes, and with that, I'm available if you have any questions. Thank you so much, Mr. West. I appreciate that, Matthew. Any questions or comments from my colleagues? Commissioner McGurk? I mean, sure. Sorry. You know, as most studies are, there's a lot of information in here. Almost all of it is good. The recommendations are good. Mobility director would be good as long as we had a, you know, a specific task for this person to complete. Otherwise I wouldn't want to create a bureaucratic process. You know, when we met, the one thing that I brought up was employee parking. And I thought that that was something that, well, not an easy task, has the ability to make a tremendous difference. And I think what I said to you was something to the effect of how many parking spaces do we have around Flagler and Canal? And how many employees do we have needing to park during the times when we, the people are going to be most likely there? What is the net effect of how many parking spaces are available to people who want to retail shop or go to the restaurants. And it's interesting your idea of using apps to identify where parking lots are for people. When we got into the detail of that a lot of that needed to needed a lot more of technology. I needed in more of an investment in the community. The community, the city needed to invest in some sort of technology based capital improvements to be able to track, I think you discussed at one time, what parking lots had parking available, for example. So while those were all very good ideas, it was not a short-term solution with a strong positive net effect. So there's a lot of really good ideas in here. And with the way technology is moving, five years out, seven years out, I think there's a lot more possibility that we're going to be able to do. But we don't have a necessarily a lot of parking spaces. You know, parking in Gerard, not Gerard, is what am I trying to say? Designated parking lots. Most of our parking is on the street or right off on a side street. So if you flip that around and say, if we identify parking lots or parking areas designated for employee parking, I think that gets an immediate response and a much positive net benefit to parking spaces available in our commercial districts. So anyway, I got a lot of thoughts about it. I don't want to, I can probably go on forever about this. There's some short term positives that we can take out of this. A lot of it is long term, is long term and it's going to ebb and flow with technology getting better and a lot of different things are going to affect it. So. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that, Mr. Martin. Just one, I'd like to reinforce what Commissioner McGurk said. I remember years ago on a parking study that there was an astonishing number. In my memory, which I do not trust, I can't believe it's this big, but I could swear our parking consultant said 500 parking spaces would be open if employees did not park on the street. And that's why 500 seems way too large. But that number exists in some studies somewhere. And the other one is just simply a question. I'm trying to visualize how the technology works on parallel parking to capture the license plates to have them metered. And I'm just having difficulty seeing how it works. I understand when you're going into a parking lot, but on your parallel parking on streets. As essentially, I'll give you an example. Our personal example, I took a vacation. I was living in Austin, Texas, and it was 105 degrees for about 90 days in a row. And decided to go somewhere cooler. And I went to Vancouver Island on the Pacific coast. And there's a little, I'm not a surfer, but there's a little surfing town called Tafino. And it is popular. And even though the water's a little, I'm not a surfer, but there's a little surfing town called Tafino. And it is popular. And even though the water's 50 degrees, the surfers are out there and they're long, wet suits and all that, surf in the way. And they had on-street parking, but it was all meter, but it was all virtual. They had a number on the curb that said, this is parking space number blah blah blah and you put that in the app and you put your license plate number in there and so then they know this is when you when you got in there and then when you leave you want to make sure you tell them I'm leaving so you're not charged you know more money. What happened if somebody parks there and doesn't bother to enter the app? I mean we're all of course staff is the most valuable resource we have. So having a physical person patrolling is of course expensive and so but that particular app replies depends on Canadians being honest. Or they have someone in their police department has an LPR and is driving around looking and seeing this license plate hasn't registered yet. So, okay, so, and thank you. I appreciate that. Anything else, ma'am? Commissioner Hartman? I think you said, you and others said two key phrases that are important in this whole process is the first one being perception. You know, perception is a reality if you believe it. And then the other question, and then the other one was the data. And I think the only way we're going to get over that perception issue is once we get the data. And that's why the data is so important to capture so that we truly know whether we have 500 parking spaces or not, we can generate that data and then you know you can address those issues based on the data and not just on someone's perception. So I like those two key phrases and I think that's the important part that going forward that we need to focus on and make sure that we fulfill those two items on the wish list. So thank you. Matthew, thank you for the in depth study, follow up and debriefing of us on the finer points and for taking our inputs. When we started talking about this over a year ago, we had heard the stories from the senior colleagues on the DIAZ about how this has been tried before, and we had been around the block once or twice, and action was limited based on the public perception, the public response. I think there's enough angst, anxiety, desire to make a change, and knowing that the changes don't have to be permanent. We can go forward, and if we mess it up, because it's parking, we can change it again, and again, and again, and it'll be evolutionary. In other words, a continuous process improvement style. And in planner's speak, that's known as tactical urbanism. Say it again, please. And planner's speak, that's known as tactical urbanism. Tactical urbanism. That sounds very technical. You can Google it. All right. Absolutely. With the bias for action, those immediate items are very exciting and very tempting. And is it your estimation that a parking expert would be needed before we actually started those immediate items or could the city managers say, nope, I'm going to get a combination of my police force, parking, enforcement and maintenance operations directors to get started right away? That's possible, because it may take you three months to six months to hire somebody and bring them on. Sure. And in the meantime, there could be some low hanging fruit that you may want to address. Excellent. Very, very good. What didn't you do that would be a next step for purchase from you guys? One of the things I recommend we do or you do is maintain that contact with Lucia County and monitor what they're doing and don't let them get so far ahead we don't know where they're at. But there are several of these in here that I think that can be done almost immediately. And I'm drawing a senior moment here, but I think there's some in here that are worth looking at to do in a very immediate time frame. And one of the things, I know it's ongoing, we've got to figure out what color you paint loading zones. And what color do we paint the parking space in front of the post office? But, and so you caught me off guard. I have to think about that one. I appreciate that and I appreciate you calling out the four things that we do immediately. To the city manager, where's your head on this serve from an operational implementation standpoint? Should the commission say after a couple of public opportunities to opine about their feelings and let it soak in for a bit so that we don't spend a tremendous amount of time doing much more cogitating. How would you see fit to move if we decided as a body we wanted you to go right away. Yes, sir, and that would be my expectation that we're gonna move ahead with these recommendations from the book to reality. So we'll have senior staff involved from the get go. They'll, they've already taken ownership of a lot of this, but we'll continue on that path to make sure that the short-term things that we're discussing tonight can be implemented as quickly as possible. You know, I the one thing I very much agree with about the study and the things have been said here tonight parking Issues are usually parking management issues and I think that's our first look What are we doing to manage our parking resources? What is available to us that we can better utilize that I think is the starting point And we'll look at all of those issues that have been brought up, the specifically organizational issues. I think you all know I'm looking at the organization now trying to figure out the best approach for what I think you want to get accomplished and what I want to get accomplished. So that will fit very nicely in those lines. So I expect that starting this week that we'll be working on implementing this study. Marvelous thank you so much. If I may I think I have an answer to your question. All right go for a minute. I'm going to look at what we talked briefly before about the web pages, the business web pages, the city's web page, the special events, promotions. If we could, and it's a matter of time, somebody's spending the time to get with the city staff and see what we can do to improve the web parking web page for the city, but also meet with some of the business owners to say, hey, can but also meet with some of the business owners to say, hey, can we come up with some language that everybody puts on their website for visitors? And once you get on special events, whoever the event coordinators are, if we have that part of the package when they come in to, I assume they get a permit for a special event, that part of the package is, please, when you put in your Facebook page up, put something in there about parking as well. Thank you appreciate that. I would hope that we would delve deeply into that and do a ready aim fire rather than a ready fire aim and make sure that we pull the trigger appropriately on those and I think that's all possible. What you've started is the beginning and it's up to us now to make it a reality for the citizens. So thank you very much. Anything closing for you, Matthew? I just want to do another little. Buida, Texas is south of Austin. I lived in Austin for about 14 months, and I survived. It's a beautiful city. But Buida had a parking problem in their downtown. All these little downtowns around Austin are now being coming part of greater Austin. And BYUTA had recommendations for their special lengths. They have one big event, I guess, that last the whole week. And they started with the police. I'm not suggesting police do this, but they had the police coordinate with the event coordinators to have parking ambassadors. They're maybe they're retired police officers or have you and but they're good with people and they can go out there before things escalate and say hey, you really can't have your car here, but let me show you where you could go. And so that's just another thought. But really good, we got a ton of givers. That's a possibility for us. Thank you and thank you for your report appreciate that. Any follow-ups from any of my colleagues? No. Okay anything else? Mr. City Manager on this topic? No. Okay very good. There's no further business. We're adjourned until the next meeting.